Mark Jennings former Vocalist for 38th Parallel and Ministry of Magic | TruthSeekah Podcast

Mark Jennings former Vocalist for 38th Parallel and Ministry of Magic
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guests today mark Jennings formerly of
the band 38th parallel mark how are you
and well are you - good man good good
finally to have you on we've been trying
to make this happen for a while and us
you know I'm saying conflict think of
schedules and stuff like that but I
finally able to make it happen so
welcome to the show man well thank you
I'm glad to be here glad to be a part of
it for sure man um I'm gonna I'm just
gonna show you a couple things right
quick I know I sent you this image the
other day but I have the ticket from
when I first seen 30th parallel this is
when you guys open for skillet and the
Benjamin gate and big gate wasn't at
this show I was disappointed I wanted to
see them all right look don't say I love
their music but this is a Friday March
1st 2002 Lloyd Presbyterian Church in
LaGrange Georgia so for those of you are
watching us we still have that ticket
right so that's a cool keepsake 2002 man
time flies I got a couple photos here as
well I'm gonna show these photos for
those of you who are watching on the
podcast those of you who are listening
if you want to see these pictures I'll
put them in the show notes and you can
go to the website and see them but check
this out I'm gonna show you a couple of
these do you remember someone let's see
if I can get it to focus young man young
man that's me and you oh my goodness
that's you huh yeah I look nothing like
no not a speck of hair on my face at all
I couldn't grow a beard me neither
there you are again we got a bunch of
these pictures man we still have them
like although I miss what we did
traveling we actually drove for hours to
see you guys and we were we were diehard
skillet fans but I think I even told you
told you at the show like we came to see
you guys so I was on all the Christian
rock websites and it would have all the
Harrison charts like if you are in the
Christian music and you like Marilyn
Manson then check out this band if you
like coal chamber check out this band if
you like 'no biscuit or whatever and i
found jobs early demos man like the
three times denied like the early demo
stuff and i like fell in love and so i
was we drove off of the demo stuff man
hearing you guys that's what we did and
so uh drove for hours and the album
wasn't even out yet at the time i don't
believe and so it was just ridiculous
april yeah so that was that was cool man
so just some nostalgia it was kind of
funny to just the other day I had a Nate
and Brandon on from these five down I
don't know if you have crossed paths
with those guys back in the day but I
was as far as like the early Christian
metal scene and stuff yeah I remember
the name these five down I don't know if
we cross paths with them very often but
I it rings a bell yeah um talk a little
bit about the band man just for people
who you know that album still holds up
though dude no I'm saying that's like
that album was phenomenal at the time
and still holds up but just just talk a
little bit about it for people who don't
know you know what we're talking about a
tall man just kind of kind of give some
background on 30th parallel
yeah well 38th parallel started really
when we were in high school
the bass player Jeff he had this dream
of being in a rock band and we all had
backgrounds in and musical theater and
and drama and music my hope had been to
do Broadway that kind of thing Jeff
wanted to do the rock band thing and I
said okay whatever so that's one aspect
of it I was just this musical background
and we got together and started a band
and and it was you know I had a good
friend who was in a local band at the
time who who once said you know if any
band knew how bad they were when they
first started there wouldn't be any
bands I think he's quite right we were a
nightmare had a different name we were
called octorok and decided that that was
a really silly name and so we had two
other guitar players at the time and and
we were trying to come up with a better
name and there were three options on the
table
they were 38th parallel
which we'd found in a history book and
Jeff thought that that had a kind of
nice ring to it and that could see it
kind of I was a stickler for having
everything has to have a meaning of some
kind so I saw in there this kind of
Demilitarized Zone no-man's land between
two warring fractions and I thought well
gosh or if we're talking about a
Christian worldview in a world that's
hostile to that are we not the one
standing in the no-man's land that kind
of a thing the other two options were
straw hat mat and the barnyard dance and
harvester Harry and the visions of wish
guy those two options were voted down
and we went with 38th parallel in those
two guitar players never never they left
long before we ever got signed and Shane
came in and and moved on from there but
so yeah that was kind of the the nascent
aspect of the band and I started playing
a lot locally met some people that demo
that you mentioned that was the work of
Sean McMahon we had all moved into
duplex together and we're not going to
college just out of high school decided
we really wanted to do this band thing
and so we connected up with Sean who was
from Des Moines and Des Moines is famous
for Slipknot and Sean had done
Slipknot's demos and even I think their
track spit it out on their on their
first record is still the track that
Sean had done folsome yeah yeah it's a
great song a great producer so we
connected with Sean and did this demo
and started shopping it around and it
was a very long cold winter living in
that duplex just playing shows hoping to
hear something and then in the spring
people just came by ting we had a couple
of different what record labels respond
to us but word records was the one that
really piqued our interest and they had
just created a rock division when they
acquired squint entertainment and so we
went with them and sang with them and in
late October of 2001 and you know had
this kind of labor of love over the past
several years to make all of those songs
without out that I did this thing you
know a hundred years ago they listened
to some of that music and and tell me
that they're impressed with it and moved
by it and that's really great to know
that it's had an impact and I'm
that it it went way did so that's kind
of a quick Cliff Notes version of the
history of 38th parallel yeah ma'am
there was um there's like a lot of
sophomore releases right the second
albums that come out and I was talking
to these five down and they were kind of
in a similar boat where they put out
their first album and then the second
one the second album actually came out
after the band broke up
you know the band's done but they still
had all the material somebody at the
label put the album out people had
already pre-ordered and all that kind of
stuff they went ahead and put it out
years after it was supposed to come out
which was kind of weird but um I got a
hold some demo stuff and I don't know if
it was a fishel album release from you
guys for the the follow-up album what
was the deal with that with with that I
mean the sound was different and we
could talk about that a little bit but
was that an official release or I know
there was a handful of tracks that were
out there on the internet no that was
not an official release it was very
unpolished it was all pretty much just
one shot here you go
those were sloppy demos that we just
kind of cobbled together in the midst of
being on tour for the record label
because they wanted to do a second
record but they kept us kind of in the
dark about that what was going on the
inner workings as a label and what had
happened I discovered several months
later after all we put all these demos
together is they had dissolved the rock
division and I was you know starting to
feel like perhaps we'd run our course
we've done our thing you know I
definitely had felt like a calling but
it was a calling fourth season yeah and
it felt like that season might be ending
and it was time to move on to just some
other things in life right just oh so
yeah those were not at all meant to be
official releases they were just kind of
for fun and things somebody you're not
to make a cover for it or something and
put like download links out there and
stuff oh really
yeah different types and rock websites
and stuff like that yeah ha that's funny
yeah you know I mean that's great I'm
glad that it would really just because I
mean we knew that there were some people
out there who might want to hear
something more and it didn't really
matter to us if we paid for it or not it
was just like
this is all we have it's not great I
really there are a lot of the songs I
don't like very much but there are a lot
on there that I feel pretty strongly
would have been solid songs I would have
liked to have had the chance to properly
record them and so on but it is what it
is as far as you say kind of coming out
kind of running its course and so I
talked to I've had Andrew Schwab on here
from project 86 like I said these five
down really being into old-school
Christian metal Christian rap core if
that was a genre at the time and then
like it started dying out and I was fans
of you know I'm saying you your your
music and a lot of those other bands
that you know I'm saying Rod Laver there
was a bunch of him at the time the
Christian music man they kind of as far
as the the rap metal p OD kind of
fronting that stuff a lot of them had to
change their style Kyle talk about the
the Christian hardcore scene blowing up
and so the music got a lot heavier so
here even all the festival's cornerstone
all these big festivals you have all
these Christian metal bands were pretty
much doing screamo and it had to have
breakdowns and that kind of stuff and
that that stuff came you know saying
really fast and so I think it pushed
that all of the rap rock stuff on the
back burner and you guys I feel like
we're kind of caught in the midst of
that transition was that a thing did you
notice okay everything's getting a lot
heavier here we are singing beautiful
melodies and rapping and the kids are
changing the style is changing it's kind
of morphing which you guys caught up in
that did you see it from what then
happening yeah we I definitely would say
I saw that happening that it was going
heavier it was getting edgier and I
think that's great I like that
I don't know ha I don't we didn't really
make a conscious decision to make the
music be one thing or another it just
kind of happened you know it was what it
was and we definitely would not have
gone the route of the more screamy stuff
not that there's I love that stuff but
it's just not something we would have
been doing and it's funny this very
perceptive
on your part to recognize that massive
shift yeah but it wasn't I don't know
that that really was a
contributing factor well and I'm asking
as well because you know I'm seeing the
demos that came out there wasn't a lot
of rapid on the demos I found it would
seem like there was a lot of new plants
hanging on there yeah and that was um
maybe a little bit more deliberate we
were starting to lean away from the the
rappy stuff it seemed like a nice tool
to have in the tool kit but it was it
was very clear that the sort of hip-hop
you know driven rap rock thing was on
its way out and the biscuit ran it
through the ground right yeah exactly
they they murdered it hard it was just I
don't know it's just it was just time
you know just to move away from that
kind of thing and we didn't that's not
the music we wanted to make anymore
mm-hmm so we just didn't make it that
way talk a little bit about the dynamic
of being a frontman because you shared
that that spotlight it was like a duo
frontman thing right and there was a
couple bands out at the time that kind
of kind of did that obviously Linkin
Park and everyone would call you guys
like the Christian equivalent to Linkin
Park which at the time was one of the
biggest bands in the world it wasn't a
bad you don't I'm saying comparison and
still isn't really but just talk about
you I'm saying the dual frontman thing
that you guys did yeah yeah I have to I
have to address the Lincoln Park thing
because it came up all the time yeah all
right and it was so funny we had two
frontman before we ever heard of Linkin
Park and I remember the first time I saw
a Lincoln Park I thought oh no because I
know I knew right away that people are
gonna say that we were trying to rip off
Lincoln Park which was not the case and
they were doing the same thing a melody
oriented rap rock and I was like great
but that being said no Linkin Park was
not an influence I admired the heck out
of Linkin Park I thought they were
incredible and and kudos soon from there
and their the success that they had that
they still make some music I think they
were amazing as far as the dynamic of
having the two front men I never thought
of myself as a frontman singular I
thought of myself as a part of an
ensemble again as I mentioned we had
this
background in musical theater and drama
and every actor in the show is a part of
conveying the story and to me our music
was a story and these songs were there
was a character being reflected in the
song being embodied by the song and and
we were each different aspects of that
character to me so I was just doing my
part and everyone else was doing theirs
as well so I I guess I might have been
the face of it in terms of movement and
that kind of thing but so was Nate and
and I never felt like it was much of a
competition or anything like that we
were it was like a duet almost mm-hmm
and that did you guys write together a
lot was it would you guys playing off of
each other or oh yeah absolutely
usually how the writing process would
work is the instrumentalists would come
up with the sort of meet of the song in
terms of the progression and and the
their individual parts the bass the
guitar at the drums and then I by and
large was responsible for the lyrics and
then Nate and I would usually
collaborate on on melodies we would all
kind of collaborate the melodies but it
was largely Nate and I put the melodies
together for the songs what what
happened towards the end as far as like
the band breaking up and stuff and I
remember you know seeing some footage on
maybe MySpace or old YouTube stuff or
whatever and there was just like
different members showing up and I think
I think Nate was gone at the time and it
was like you and then a couple other
people doing some of the 38th parallel
stuff maybe had a little small concert
or festival or whatever somebody it was
it was very different it was almost it
almost seemed I just about watching the
video you were trying to keep it
together you were trying to keep 38th
parallel going but it was just kind of
you know fading out was that kind of
what happened yeah that was a kind of
the band had already broken up by the
time that I know what video you're
talking about it as a band had already
been over but we were kind of sort of
doing some shows off and on just for
kicks just to get back together we had a
brief period where we had seriously
planned on rejuvenating and doing it
again and then
this kind of yeah just decided that
wasn't gonna be good just because we
were all moving on and like we were
getting you know guys were getting
married and getting college degrees and
jobs out of state and I was pursuing
different things as well and as much as
I would have loved that it felt like we
can't hang on to a ghost you have to let
it go right yeah so yeah that mean I
don't know if I answered your question
but that that particular was just kind
of yeah just a couple last shows I know
trying to hold it together but it was
just kind of obvious that everybody was
doing different different stuff right
yeah because the band had ended well as
I say what had happened is we've found
out they dissolve the rock division and
I made the decision for myself to say I
can't tell the rest these guys what to
do but I I need to let this go I'm done
with it and just move on with my life
and that's what everyone tended to do
and then we thought well maybe there's
something still here let's try it and
then we just kind of recognized in the
process like oh goodness we're all old
and moving on it's not time to do this
anymore yeah so so I mean how did you
guys get on with skillet like going on
that tour or whatever and how I mean how
look what kind of experiences did you
have on that tour as well great ones
that that was our first big tour we'd
never done anything like that before and
it was an honor to tour with skillet and
it's been gratifying to see how well
they've continued to do throughout the
years it's amazing they are i gotta say
they are some of the most genuine
warm-hearted people I had ever met John
and Cory are just remarkable at the time
they had this guy named ben kasica
playing guitar and I can remember her
last name but Laurie was the drummer and
we all got along very very well they
loved to gag our set and do silly things
and we got along with our drummer was
incredibly friendly Aaron Nordyke and he
and ben kasica were just like cept at
the hip most of that tour I had I was
trying out that was in my very young
days of learning about health and
fitness and exercise and I had one of
those stupid belts that's supposed to
stimulate your abs to fire whatever so
that was that thing on was hanging out
in her hotel room going to do anything
there's do anything and I was like it's
gonna be I don't know Hey
so it was just um it was stuff like that
but it was a lot of fun the Benjamin gay
people were a blast they were a riot we
got along with them really really well
and of course everyone was infatuated
with Adrienne
in fact Nate was having he we were at a
stressful job right dang it Jeremy we
were at a hotel and Nate was talking to
Adrienne as they were walking toward the
swimming pool but he wasn't looking at
the pool he was looking at her while he
was talking and he just kept walking and
just foot after foot walked directly
into the swimming pool into the deep end
and down he goes and she died laughing
that's a probably going my greatest
memories from that that to her that was
a lot of fun that's awesome man great
memories dude so as far as you guys
being a Christian rock band when you
started like what was your testimony man
like what was the I'm saying you come
into faith or whatever like did you have
a look like a strong encounter with
Christ would you you know did was you a
Christian as a little kid and just kind
of seemed like the thing to do or did
you have like some big story well you
know it's a little bit of both I was
raised in the American Midwest which is
very predominantly evangelical Christian
I was raised in a Christian home and in
an evangelical church and the concept of
accepting Christ or whatever language
gets used by that denomination was very
much so on my lips and on my mind and it
was a kind of just the way things were
it seemed to me that that's just the
truth and that's my life and there you
have it it became serious to me
throughout the course of doing the thing
the hard business of living as a
teenager I had my parents were very good
about being reflections of I guess you
could say at the social at social
justice aspect of the gospel where in
you know there was a guy who my mom had
grown up with who had contracted AIDS
from dying of AIDS and he was gay and
this was shocking and terrible to a lot
of people in a Midwestern evangelical
setting
we took him into her house and hung out
with him and and I saw what the grace of
God looks like on a person's life as
they go through the process of having
aged to their death that was a part of
my youth watching people die of cancer
and all just the stuff that happens in
life the ugliness of a world gone wrong
that just ate at me and ate at me until
the point where I was just in despair
trying to reconcile how how do you deal
with this this evil in the world and
call yourselves you know think that
something like Christian theism is true
and it just so happened that when I was
17 just around the time the band started
I met these these people from Davenport
Iowa through a mutual friend named Kayla
Kaufman who was a remarkable young woman
and these kids loved they didn't know me
from Adam and they were just loving me
like I was their brother like they know
me all their lives and their idea of a
good time was to go to central campus at
Iowa State University and sing hymns so
I drove them out there to do that and it
was one of those kind of ineffable
spiritual experiences or just I thought
how do you deal with pain and suffering
Nog leanness in the world and it
occurred to me that it's in this kind of
cross shaped self giving love that these
kids are reflecting and that seized me
at the center of my being and has ever
since that that that is the gospel that
is the good news that it's released to
the captives it's that God has become
king in and through Jesus and that means
evil is defeated period full stop and so
that's become just the thing I tried to
figure out how to express be it in a
rock band or be it just by loving my
wife well that's that's kind of mhm
that's my testimony man that's where
it's head man all right so so where do
we go from the the you know as a
ministry oriented 38th parallel
Christian rock band to some years later
haven't heard heard from you my
brother-in-law
hits me up as hey the guy from 30th
parallel is and or at least some of the
members are in a Harry Potter band
called the Ministry of Magic where do we
go from 30 days parallel to the ministry
of mad
and what is that about yeah well ha
Ministry of Magic was really just an
excuse to get together and make music
and have some fun and party is really
all that that was it happened at a time
in life where some of us were I don't
want to say having abandoned the faith
but in questioning or darker periods or
just working through some life stuff and
that's not to say that ministry of magic
was all debauchery and silliness I'm not
saying that at all but I'm saying it we
were around it a lot so I can understand
why people would want to say these guys
have gone off the deep end that wasn't
it at all but surely I'm not going to
deny that those opportunities were
around right but it was really just an
excuse to have some fun with with your
old friends and make some music again
and it was never intended to be as big
as it got I was blown away when I joined
it just for fun to go do one do some
trips the sing again just every other
weekend or whatever and all of a sudden
were putting out music on iTunes and
we've beaten elf City for sales and I'm
trying to figure that out like this is
just silliness it's just a good time but
it was it was a wonderful time to kind
of remember who I was get refocused and
it also afforded me the opportunity to
tell me I met my wife we were doing a
show in Boston and she was there and you
know pretty girl hang out with her start
talking with her and next thing I know
I'm commuting back and forth to the
Toronto Ontario from Ames Iowa listening
to lectures in my car and finding myself
drawn back into my faith and then and
then from there it's kind of the second
phase of Mark Jennings history it's it's
back to the faith and get married and
have a house so you're not doing the
minister of magic anymore no no that
that so that died out have like millions
of views on YouTube right yeah yeah it's
something I was honored to be a part of
I was honored to make music with those
guys we had a lot of fun a lot of fun
doing that and I'm pretty proud of some
of the stuff that we did musically and
just great memories with all that what
had happened with that is a lot of the
wizard-rock bands as they were called
wizard rock bands would not be very well
behaved with younger ladies not us but a
lot of the other ones and of course
accusations start to fly and impressions
start to fly and one of our members
started getting accused of certain
things that were not anything illegal
but he basically got accused to being
the functional equivalent of a bad frat
boy and that therefore kind of
blacklisted us and and that's okay it
was kind of the end of it anyway I was
married and living in Toronto and I
wasn't gonna do a whole lot more shows
my brother was married
Aaron was getting married you know it it
was what it was it's a shame that it
went down the way that it did I feel
like it was a very one-sided
conversation but that's not to say that
I am denying the things that these
people accuse him of necessarily I don't
know I wasn't there but I think there
was almost an attitude of witch-hunt at
the time and sadly it went the way there
did was there so you know I'm saying you
being a Christian being in 30th parallel
whatever was there it was there a point
that you stayed away from the Harry
Potter stuff because I know even back
then there was like it was big so the in
the churches they would preach against
it like they would do all types of like
smear campaigns in a few like they're
doing real witchcraft in Harry Potter
and kids are putting spells on their
teacher and there's all these just weird
stuff that wasn't true but the churches
would take that stuff and run with it
and something they'd have evangelist
come and don't let your kids watch Harry
Potter and stuff and so for a Christian
we knew Pokemon and Harry Potter was off
limits like those are the two things you
couldn't do and so that so that I didn't
want to watch that at all and I
especially come from like the background
of the occult and like really dark
witchcraft and stuff so I didn't want to
entertain nothing like that and then
hearing this sermons and I'm like yeah
witchcraft is tough to play with you
know this kind of stuff so for you to
out to be a Christian and then get into
some of the same Ministry of Magic self
or even just watch Harry Potter was
there a disconnect was there something
like touching the forbidden fruit or I'm
not supposed to watch this this for you
I'm saying the first time of even
watching it because it was for me like
when I finally watched it with my family
years later like I know so I hope God
okay be careful to see what this is you
know what I'm saying
and it was beautiful he was really good
my my I have a Harry Potter stuff all in
the room right now my wife and daughter
are like diehard Harry Potter fans now
because I introduced them to it my wife
has tattoos and all kinds of stuff and
literally all types of Harry Potter
Harry Potter themed birthday parties and
stuff and then here's me a Christian
minister as well whose family is loves
Harry Potter now right so there was this
weird disconnecting and really still is
you know - I'm saying for a big part of
that but what's that there for you like
just getting into it watching it for the
first time or something no not really I
was I was in my 20s when the things were
coming out and I thought it very strange
that the church was reacting to it the
way that it was because I didn't find
anything any more objectionable about it
than say the Lord of the Rings which was
being applauded by the church for The
Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe and I
suppose I would say well yes but those
have overtly Christian themes well what
do you call the power of love overcoming
death itself that's the central theme
you have the Harry Potter story that's
the power that lives in Harry's skin
right so I guess no that never crossed
my mind anything negative or dark
associated with Harry Potter for me had
to do with the ugliness that comes out
of people when they're in crazy
situations and nothing to do with the
story itself and those are things we
have to own ourselves and move beyond
and make amends for but there's no that
that whole aspect the witchcraft thing I
I gotta say man I I think too much gets
that stuff is important it is serious
don't misunderstand me but I think to
get so lost in that is an example of to
miss the forest through the trees
real evil happens when people devalue
each other so you might be thinking that
you are being pious and upholding the
laws of the Church of God by saying
these Harry Potter fans are evil and
it's an evil story and this is terrible
and these are bad people well now you
have devalued a human being because they
don't agree with your theology this does
not strike me as anything looking like
the kingdom that Jesus was preaching so
yeah I guess I'm taking this as an
opportunity to really decry that kind of
thing from the church because I thought
it was not only silliness I thought it
was dangerous an example of just hurting
people instead of loving them and
valuing them which everybody's supposed
to be doing yeah and you kind of you
kind of did that though right as far as
get like hanging out with Harry Potter
fans and just you know I'm saying just
you know if you're a Christian you're
gonna share the love of Christ no matter
what stage you are I know you say you
you might have been going through a
phase or whatever but you still I'm sure
you you know you still love people man
which is the heart of the gospel too and
so where the church would like shun
Harry Potter and all that kind of stuff
you were there in the midst of all of
them being able to maybe I don't know be
Jesus to them in a sense right and so
that's that's really I think what the
gospel is about and like you're saying
like the church pushing those people
away or this is God and that's God or
this isn't God or who gets to hear the
good news of the gospel only those who
come to church or whatever the case is
right but you actually in there with the
people yeah that's exactly and it was
yeah as I say I was going through a bit
of a phase which was a little bit more
later I mean for most of the time that I
was in in the Harry Potter Band I was
still very vocal about my face and was
trying to be representative of that
without being preachy and so yeah it's
exactly what the aim was was just to
love people as people not as you know
things I could put on my scorecard for
who did I witness to and get to make a
conversion statement or something it was
like no I just love them you know yeah
yeah is that is that kind of what your
faith kind of transformed into more of a
something that's more practical versus
evangelical like I have to proselytize
like I just have to be Jesus now to
these
people who love the unlovable and those
who have never you know I'm saying
experience grace shows them grace and
mercy says it's something more practical
now versus I have to have be on a stage
with a microphone preaching because
anybody can do that like that was really
easy for me
they wouldn't when I'm up there with a
microphone but as far as doing
one-on-one evangelism with people and
sharing my heart that was a little bit
harder you know yeah yeah yeah I think
that's it exactly I would say my my my
faith has evolved by and large due to
becoming very interested in the academic
aspects of it that's changed the way I
think about things theologically for
sure I'm very much impressed by the work
of scholars like NT Wright Scott
McKnight John Walton these are some some
names and scholarship guys that have
very much so shaped the way I think
theologically and what I discover is
when we have a term like evangelical it
means to be an announcer of the good
news and I certainly think that it's
hard to announce something if you don't
say anything so clearly there is that
aspect of it but it's an announcement in
the fullness of your being it's how you
conduct yourself in life and how it is
how you love I mean the Beatitudes
blessed are the poor blessed are the
meek well that's not saying go be poor
and meek
that's saying I've got good news for you
that's what the UN gely on where we get
the terms like evangelism it just means
good news that's what the good news is
it's that the whole world has changed
because God has become King through
Jesus and that means everything that's
made you pour those powers the darkness
it's defeated well how does that look
well that translates into the people of
God doing the work of God by the power
of his spirit and that's soup kitchens
practically speaking that's going out to
the homeless and giving them a blanket
that's one aspect of it the other is
also very simple things that's how you
love your wife that's how you take care
of your dog all of those things yep
that's good man
yeah so following you on facebook
starting to see some some workout
pictures and I've been into health for a
while
but we're starting to see some gains
there so I guess you're taking that a
little bit more serious or or have have
you been into that for a while cuz you
said you you mentioned even around the
38th parallel maybe even studying some
of that stuff but uh so what's the
what's the deal with the with the weight
training and and that kind of stuff what
are you doing with that yeah I mean it's
funny I really wrestled with it
particularly in the 30th parallel day is
just kind of body image issues as people
do I didn't like the way I looked and so
I got really thin in the 38th parallel
days thinking that that'll make me feel
better about myself is how I look and I
got to say I was down to like 130 pounds
at one point and that occurred to me
that that's a great way that wind up
dead so started just taking it more
seriously trying to get a healthier
mindset about it and that led to the
love of heavy weights and and steak
which some might objected say that's not
healthy that's well there's a debate to
be had there but all that aside I I
found that I really enjoyed weight
training I liked how it made me feel I
liked how it made me look and then I
kind of got past really it's funny when
you mentioned the gains thing I've
noticed this really in the last year or
so I I don't really care anymore
caring what what I look like too much
I'm more interested in what's going on
in the inside and just being healthy and
I discovered that I started to look
better when I stopped really caring
about it and started looking bigger when
I stopped trying to chase being bigger
and just really got a kick out of
lifting heavy to be this is a hilarious
thing to talk about because this is just
my I don't know it's my vanity or just
my hobby maybe it's a little bit of both
but I just like throwing around heavy
weight it feels good I like going to
work and the guys can't lift the press
but I can so I well I don't like it that
much because now I got I could do all
the jobs that require the heavy that but
but yeah man that's kind of all it is
it's a little bit of vanity hey look
what I've accomplished but also a little
bit of just it's just my some joy I get
him what do you do for a living I am a
belting technician okay so so what that
means is I fabricate and install
conveyor belts in anywhere from a bakery
to a recycle
plant little tiny light weight belts or
big heavy ones that carry tons and tons
of equipment is there any more musical
projects that we don't know about
anymore recordings out there any other
secret bands or side projects that
you've done over the years besides the
two that I named or is there any maybe
coming up in the future gosh I don't
know there might be I think I did some
acapella stuff from Frank Wildhorn
musical the Civil War so if you look
that up in my name on YouTube you might
find me just sitting in my living room
singing it I posted it just for kicks
because I there's a big the
entertainment industry is very happening
in Toronto and and for a while I was
working as a personal trainer for good
life gyms and one of the guys who worked
there at the front desk was involved in
entertainment industry she just heard me
humming and singing to my stuff and she
was like what are you doing why are you
hiding this kit from the world knows
like was that ten years not doing that
but but um she said you gotta get on
this and I was like well okay so I
recorded these silly demos of me sitting
in my living room singing these kind of
classical musical pieces and it's kind
of embarrassing my Instagram I'm singing
on my Instagram in a couple places but
that's probably all you're gonna find is
that as far as any other future projects
I I was recently asked about this on
another podcast so I'll say the same
thing I said to him I don't know I I
don't have any plans on it I'm not
pursuing it but if something presented
itself I wouldn't turn it down
necessarily if I could work it into my
schedule evolve din so far as I could
it's my biggest priorities are my my
wife and my home and this ridiculous dog
I have sleeping next to me on the floor
here that's those are my priorities but
if I can stretch the old singing legs
and do a little more that I would I
would love to do that it's always gonna
be a part of who I am right now if you
have the means bro I'd love to get you
on a song or something man I do hip-hop
as well so I'd love to get you on a song
something
you don't sure we'll figure it out yeah
I got some Harry Potter references I
might have sent you some stuff I can't
remember but I got some hair I don't
know I have to go back and look stuff
like that in my stuff like uh we did a
song called um my guardian Leviosa
talking about you I'm saying levitating
but doing it spiritually like ascending
to new levels you know and I did it as
like a like homage to my wife and
daughter just because they loved it but
name is dad and just talking about going
from one level to the next and just kind
of tied it in there whatever so it'd be
awesome to do a song with you or
something man um as far as you said that
you guys really wasn't influenced by
Linkin Park but you know I'm saying the
similarities are there the comparisons
are there what what were some of the
bands or some of the music that
influenced you because you were in the
hip-hop right some some aspect of it
anyway and then I guess rock or metal as
well but what was some of the influences
for you coming up yeah well the the
hip-hop influence was really more on on
Nate and Jeff and those guys I just kind
of went along with it
I was influenced by and large in terms
of rock bands by it's funny you
mentioned Andrew Schwab project 86 was a
big influence on me I loved project 806
Thursday yeah the band Thursday I really
loved their stuff quite a bit and that
was mostly the lyric writing is where I
was influenced by them the melodies were
them somewhat the Julianna theory had an
influence on us melodically and then my
my background in musical theater the it
works of Andrew Lloyd Webber
we're kind of always in my mind
somewhere also Mansell was it what about
any any heavy influences any of that
corn or even the biscuit like we're
talking about that kind of style or
whatever yeah it's fine that you
mentioned corn that corn was like all I
listened to in high school I was a big
corn fan so there was definitely some
influence there I think Lin biscuit had
a little bit of influence on me as well
the Deftones I love the Deftones it's I
say influence but I want to use the word
lightly because I never tried to copy
don't necessarily
what they were doing but I'm sure
whether I meant to or not it kind of
leaked through in places that those were
bands that had connected with me that's
what's up man um so as far as like
you're in the faith and stuff now you
still you currently attend church and
stuff like that or is it just like a
just a book a believer yeah I'm looking
for a church right now actually and
there's a couple that I'm gonna check
out just to find a place that's a good
fit not because I have any problem with
people who think different things about
the face that I do but I want to go
somewhere where I can be utilized with
gifts that I have I think that's a
biblical concept and a lot of the places
there's no there's one that meets
directly across the street from me but I
don't know that it would be a good fit
because in their statement of faith
they've sort of required it seems to me
to believe in recent universe
creationism and you're required to
believe in this particular understanding
of divine sovereignty and I'm like man I
can't sign up to that like it so I
wouldn't be more power to you had
nothing but love but I just wouldn't be
a good fit so there's but there's a
couple around that I'm planning on
attending that I think would meet me
where I'm at and allow me to be a part
of yeah it gets harder the more studying
you're doing like the more rewriting and
the more studying and referencing like
if when you were younger you just showed
up okay
I believe it you know whatever they told
you to believe you believe it until you
start doing your own research and you
say well this guy has some truths but
the other stuff I don't really like but
I like with how he feels about this and
then this other guy who everybody you
know I'm seven rejects he's really good
on this and so you know in in the end
that's kind of how the truth is it's
kind of like here a little there a
little no one faith or doctrine or
whatever usually has it all put together
and so when you go into those churches
and stuff you have to like what they say
you know eat the meat spit out the bones
type deal and it becomes a lot harder
man especially in the Austrian as you
grow if you study and stuff like that
man you know did you know the banth rice
at all yeah yeah
yeah they came out with a new record
recently and I can't recall the name of
the record but there's a song lean into
the grey okay I look that up that that's
like my anthem it's incredible an
incredible piece I've been listening to
black honey like crazy driving my wife
crazy that's a great song amazing yeah
yeah he did some worship stuff too right
yeah Lee Sang good did some stuff that's
in cancer he's he's an incredible artist
yeah um so with anything any stories we
didn't talk about man any any funny
stuff from the road for good podcast
episode yeah it was nothing but funny
stuff on the road most of the time
there's what about okay go ahead I got
another one for you out there it's go
ahead all right no it's just a short
anecdote because it was just so silly I
we were doing a tour called the oh boy I
can't remem the tour was but it was a
long tour and it ended in Florida
somewhere and I there was just not we
had put all five less than one without
him and I just wasn't wasn't gonna work
for me so we had this miniature bus at
the time with a nice fold-out couch and
a generator in there and great air
conditioning so I wouldn't sleep in the
bus drummer didn't know that so I'm down
there sleeping in the bus he's out
carousing with whoever from one of the
other bands and he gets back and he just
throws the door open with reckless
abandon this scares the hell out of me
so I scream like a little girl very very
loudly and he does a backflip over the
front seat into the front cabin I
thought it was hilarious maybe it's not
as funny when you actually say it out
loud but it was great any in any chance
you get to scare somebody even
accidentally I guess both of y'all got
scared though right so you saw yeah the
mutual terror was what was it all right
what about cuz this this can be
interesting you know doing Christian
rock you know and you're traveling
probably playing a lot of churches back
in the day right there's a lot of
churches or whatever this was a
Presbyterian Church that I've seen you
guys that not everybody is
keen on Christian rock or Christian rap
or whatever so would you have any weird
stories of dealing with weird church
people who you play the first note they
grab all the kids and make them leave
like I've been the shows like that where
we rappin or play in the middle I had a
rap metal band too and we hit the first
note and they grabbed seven kids and
just the parents walk them out you know
that you know I'm saying you were
traveling doing that was any of those
experiences with weird church people or
you know time to get into weird
philosophical debates oh yeah thing like
that
let me preface any comment I have on
that by saying I think these people all
meant very well they were concerned for
it might have been misplaced and they
should have reconsidered how they
approached it I would say but I don't
want to safai them or make them look
stupid or anything like that but yeah
there was some odd experiences there was
a guy who showed up once with this whole
youth group in the minute we started
playing he declared that we were the
sounds of the evil one and took all the
kids and made them leave and you know
okay the the poor promoter apologized to
us for it and I just said don't worry
about like it's bound to happen every
now and again you know and I had a stock
response to that people would ask us in
interviews all the time how do you
respond to being a rock band and
Christians isn't that you know evil
music and I just would say how can music
be evil it's a sound that has no moral
properties and that always left I'm
going whoa
so that was one there was one we did we
did a couple of Pentecostal type
churches which is a lot of fun
incredible warm-hearted people and they
love to pray for us before yeah yeah use
them Lord anoint him Lord yeah there was
one lady who was doing that with that
with that with that language which is
great that's fine that didn't bother me
so much it was that she had to go from
band member to band member and put her
hand really hard on your shoulder and
she was shaking you like this yeah and
she started to cackle while she did it
she was whether there's a laugh it was
like a
Hackl and that that one was
uncomfortable a little bit she didn't
use oil no thank God there was no oil
poured on my head that that would but I
probably would have that enough it
wouldn't mess up my hair that it's a
show man
and then there was one we went to where
it started with that kind of thing
and evolved into the kind of praying in
tongues I guess that then in turn
divulged into just screaming literally
just so there they got their eyes
clothes and their hands on us and
they're just yelling nothing not even
words and we open our eyes and look at
each other and we start laughing because
it's so unbelievably uncomfortable
you're like what is this so that that
was probably the most interesting laying
of hands and pray first before a show
that I ever happened in the world it's
very odd yeah man I've got thousands of
stories like that as well man I've going
to little small churches in the in the
middle of nowhere in the country and in
the ghetto or whatever in just all these
different belief systems in a way that
they operate and how they even churches
where they venerate the pastor as like a
king in weird places like I've been to
those churches to really you know where
they sit on like these these Thrones and
stuff like that like on the on the stage
and the platform is like way higher than
everybody like above your head and you
got to go up there and that went to this
one where the pastor came he the pastor
would come in late on purpose so
somebody's arm reading the the church
announcements and he's standing up
reading them and then a pastor comes in
through the side door late and he's got
a purple robe on and rings and stuff and
then it's all rise for the pastor you
know the man of God is here and he made
everybody stand up and the pastor comes
in he's looking at the audience looking
in he goes up on the stage and he he's
he gets in front of this big ol pretty
much a throne just like on TBN high back
in the day why they had those big golden
and chalices they literally had that
stuff up there and uh before he sits
down he looks at the crowd and kind of
waved his hands down like a like a king
would do you know okay it's time to you
guys could sit down now and let's
everybody be seated then he kind of you
know gives the motion for the guy to
continue with the with the sermo or the
announcements or whatever yeah only
weird and then I've seen like guys
outside the pastor's office while he was
praying and reading the Bible and their
got guns
they're like guards one on each side of
the door armed guards that's the man of
God he got the anointing on his life and
people look people want to kill the man
of God and they're like this is
bodyguard his church has like 17 people
in the church but just you know this is
really weird weird stuff out there
that's mind-blowing oh my goodness yeah
it's just just churchianity man in and
of itself this is so much you know weird
stuff out there that you find and all
that kind of stuff man um as far as you
know you talk much speaking in tongues
and and and the oil and all that kind of
stuff and it's playing at some
Pentecostal churches do you do you get
into the more spiritual side of the face
or faith or is it more practical is it
more you don't saying theological of the
Baptist's or reformed theology you is
there something that you kind of you
kind of lean towards or do you mess with
any of the you know word of faith or
praying for healing and those type of
aspects of the faith yes
well to answer the question directly my
theological leanings
are would probably look closer to the
Anglicanism towards the Church of
England which is a kind of basically
Catholic except you can get married um
so I and that's a position I've come to
over a lot of years of just study really
wanting to understand the New Testament
understand this is history because Jesus
of Nazareth wasn't historical person who
lived and breathed in the first century
during the Second Temple period and that
means that he had a particular set of
ideas in his mom
that he was working with he was not some
freakish character who was completely
outside the realm of his world he
couldn't be he would have made no sense
and had no impact so he was someone who
was speaking to a world living and
breathing in a world in a context and I
want to know what that means for him
because I can't understand what Jesus is
talking about if I don't understand what
Jesus is talking about what world of
ideas were his world of ideas what did
what he say means the people at the time
and then that therefore informs the way
the rest of the New Testament works and
sort of where that's led me is this kind
of Anglican ish I guess you would say
more practical approach so now then with
respect to questions about healing and
the more esoteric aspects of the faith I
I just I'm very open to it I don't know
it's it's not a thing that I have done a
lot of homework in in terms of spiritual
experience you know I can say for myself
I typically experienced the kind of
sense of the divine that I think is
common to all Christians with reformers
called the census to finatus in and as I
mentioned earlier when I was with those
those kids at Iowa State University who
were from Davenport Iowa there was very
a palpable sense of God's presence there
and a couple other times in my life but
for the most part you know no I don't um
I haven't had seen a lot of healings or
anything like that I'm not saying they
don't happen in fact I know I can think
one scholar off the top of my head who
did a great deal of research about
miracle I think Craig keener is his name
very academic well-respected New
Testament scholar and and his conclusion
was yes these things do still happen and
he's documented it now I haven't read
the book so I can't critique it or
anything but that's just my way of
saying I'm open to it there is good
evidence for it I'm I'm just on the
fence I don't know enough because it's
not where I've spent my time doing the
homework right so I don't want to say
I'm real sure about this side of the
other thing when I'm really not so I
want to be careful about how I approach
that yeah for sure man um so with
spiritual encounters or whatever have
you
what about like paranormal encounters
whether it's UFOs or ghosts or
psychics or anything like that if you
had any encounters with that at all you
know what's fun it's funny you asked me
that as I say I've got this dog know he
see other things yeah well maybe I don't
know about that but I think he's just
weird barks of walls he's not whatever
but the day after I got him I went to
get my hair cut and there's a lady who I
was very friendly I've had she's got my
hair a bunch of times never anything out
of the ordinary and she looks at me she
goes you have a new baby at home and I
looked at her and I was like well not
exactly but I have a puppy how did you
it was it wasn't that she said exactly
what I had at home
but it was that she just clearly into it
in this thing you know which was this
new puppy and I thought that was
interesting but that's really the only
sort of experience like that that I've
had I guess I can think of a couple
others if you're interested that aren't
psychic but they're just kind of
intriguing spiritual things my mom has
always been a prayer warrior for me and
I remember during a period not the same
as the Ministry of Magic times but way
before that I was dealing with just some
deep doubts about the truth of the face
and I was having this dream that I was
at my house and this darkness entity had
just seized my mind and I lost all
control and sort of floated like a
feather down the staircase to what was
my my parents bedroom and the door was
open and my mother was there on the
ground mean like praying for me and then
I woke up with a start was 3 o'clock in
the morning and I told her about that
and she said how very interesting
because she had woken up at 3 o'clock in
the morning with something as people say
something telling her I need to pray for
my son mm-hmm so that that's one example
I guess of a kind of a few like that
throughout my life that are not
definitive anything but just interesting
phenomena that are hard to dismiss yeah
yeah that's interesting man almost like
a synchronicity or whatever the case is
and having those things happen that kind
of hard to explain both of you guys
going through something in the wee hours
of the morning I remember I had a the
one of the guys who discipled me after I
came to the Lord he talked about waking
up in him at 3:00 in the morning with
something pinning him down to the bed
like a spirit or a demon or whatever the
case is you know and then he said the
same night whatever it was went into the
room with his dad and his dad had like
the same type of encounter the same
night so there's like two people in the
same house having it having it happen in
the same night it's really interesting
um talking about those weird Church
experiences man and it kind of uh with
the Christian rock thing I got a I got a
um my brother-in-law who's uh you know a
fan of 30th parallel I would say he's
still a fan of like you know saying
classic nostalgic let's just say
nostalgic so we're trying to find out
how to refer back to the stuff but like
I said man that stuff still holds up man
that that I'm still putting people on
that stuff now because like as far as
like stylistically it's coming back like
now Papa Roach is doing that now Papa
Roach is rapping again right and I
noticed that the bands are coming out
sounding more like p OD or sounding more
like old-school rage against the
machines and it's coming out on the
radio I've heard I heard something the
other day uh something there's a band
something 333 is in there in their names
but uh they uh they're they sound like
Rage Against the Machine and they're
rapping and stuff on the radio so uh
it's coming back though but my
brother-in-law he went to a little
backwoods revival with it with a friend
of his and he was wearing a demon hunter
shirt and so demon hunter was big back
in the day you know and so their logo is
a demon skull it looks like a cow skull
but it's a demon with these
big horns with a bullet hole in its
forehead so he had the demon hunter
shirt he went to the revival and the
pastor asked him you know you know where
does he get the nerve to wear that shirt
in their church and I said well this is
a Christian band no no somebody lied to
you young man that is not a Christian
band that's that's not of God that's a
demonic shirt and you're not supposed to
wear it in it's in a house of God
you know that quote/unquote house of God
being a building or something you know
and they they kind of they pointed him
out of the crowd in the middle of the
sermon or whatever and uh they actually
made him him take his shirt off in the
church little backwoods holding the wall
Church took his shirt off and they
prayed they prayed for him they laid
hands on him and put an awning all on
and they held him down and they were
like pouring anointing oil in his mouth
saying that he had demons and stuff
because he wore that shirt that shirt
the church this is weird little
backwards yeah see now at that level
did he file charges because that is
assault honestly so that that would be
one okay I got a comment on this thank
you well for one thing depictions of
demons in the house of God I like what
you said about the house of God is not a
building is the people the church means
that ecclesia the people to call that
once but let's let's talk about the the
meeting places have they never been to
what was all of the churches in Europe
up until recently where there is
paintings religious paintings don't have
features in the paintings so that's just
patently false what he said it's just
historically whether he likes it or not
doesn't matter as a matter of art
history he's just wrong about that for
one for two very devaluing to talk to
someone like that and not listen to
their perspective just decide what it is
and certainly devalue and go hold them
down and pour oil down their throat
that's assault so this is why there is
the whole world looks at Christians
instead of saying I know them by their
love they know them by their crazy
and that needs to just stop we need to
be honest about the fact that we're
wretches who need grace to I for sure
m41 and then try to live like people
who've been redeemed by that grace on
the other hand certainly not make stupid
mistakes about our history and pour oil
down someone's throat when you separate
yourself for so long you start making up
these new ideas and these new rules and
these new things that you start adding
to the scriptures you start adding to
doctrine or whatever the case of stuff
that's not even biblical by any means
you know what I'm saying that's what the
30 right that's that's Pharisee ism in
the first century if you read Josephus
that's precisely what they did that's
what Jesus is reacting to when he speaks
to them all through the New Testament
yep because they're just adding all
these laws in there there are laws and
traditions there honoring it over the
scriptures you know or the laws of Moses
even for them who's supposedly keep the
law of Moses but they have all these new
things that they hold over that it's
really interesting and it's still
happening man and I'll tell people all
the time he asked me a you know about
that sect of Pharisees and stuff but I
think spiritually we could become
Pharisees to other people if we're not
careful man you know we received that
because Jesus always dealt with the
spirit of it - because Moses dealt with
the that spirit and now you know his
fathers and everybody now Jesus is
dealing with the same type of people or
that spirit in the earth you know yeah
yeah yeah really interesting well
brother I appreciate you coming on the
podcast man I enjoyed this conversation
man rehashing some old pictures it's
some old memories and I got a lot more
where this came from man so good stuff
dude I'm sure it's some awesome awesome
memories for you and I'm saying like I
said again do it be awesome to hear you
do something in the future even if it's
not a band man find a way to kind of do
your own thing which is what I've done
you know I like the whole I like the
whole band thing myself but uh you know
it's hard keeping five guys on the same
page and you know family marriages and
practices two three times a week and
sometimes it's hard but maybe maybe even
do some of your own solo stuff man cuz
you're good at rapping you say you just
got into it because everybody else
doing it but you actually really good at
it man so that Alby would do turn the
tides like I said we have our own
private disc or where we hang out with
the community here and I play your music
in there all the time and turn people on
to it so yeah that's awesome
thanks again brother anything you want
to plug man promote you got anything
going on you know no I guess I would
just close by quoting the great Bill and
Ted be excellent to each other and party
on party on man well hey bro I really
enjoyed it man and we have to do it
again thanks so much
sounds like a plan he take care man god
bless JB you mark Jennings 30th parallel
oh sorry
I'm clicking the wrong stuff I don't
even know what I'm trying to run a live
show him playing the intro outro yeah
good stuff I really enjoyed that
conversation and it's all about
nostalgia here man is something about
nostalgia like I said I had these five
down on two weeks ago and had him on and
they were they were out around the same
time 2002 where's the time went this is
a we still have the ticket stub skillet
before skillet was skillet that you know
today we used to travel we drive hours
we drove for hours to go to this concert
and I was I was a die-hard fan of those
guys so it was really cool all this time
later I'm gonna have my own radio show
and get a chance to interview my
favorite bands you know that's so cool I
love it created Ministry of Magic really
interesting stuff too like I said my
family are like diehard Harry Potter
fans and those those videos they've done
they've done like know if you call it a
night core songs but they're like really
fun poppy type songs and so the Ministry
of Magic and so they got like millions
of views on his other project that they
did and that was really interesting too
so
it's good stuff so yeah I'm give a shout
out to everybody hanging out in the chat
on this surprise Saturday podcast
Santiago says it's funny how life works
that way yeah time is something man
time is something you know moving
forward and just creating the life that
you want for yourself and you want to do
it you make it happen you bring it to
the table and that's how it works and so
yeah I don't really have much to talk
about except tomorrow I'm excited for
you know the first sear session that
we're doing so I'm gonna be leading that
session and we're gonna be doing
holotropic breathing breath work I got
some techniques that I'm gonna show you
guys and we're gonna do it together and
it'll be something where we we can
actually tap in together and be be more
focused driven as far as that is
concerned and I'm gonna be leading that
so if you want to be a part of that
Sunday mornings at 8 a.m. central it's
$12 per week and you can get access to
that via patreon and it's gonna be good
I'm looking forward to it and I got some
more stuff that will bring it to the
table whole bunch of stuff that I'm
working on so again thank you guys for
the support any level whatever you're
doing if you're you know I'm saying
donating on patreon if you're sharing my
work if you're listening if you're
telling people about my music and my
podcasts all that kind of stuff I
appreciate everyone all of our community
and I know people aren't able to give
financially other people give in other
ways so thank you guys for everything
that you're doing it means the world to
me and we're gonna keep on keeping on
still got a whole bunch of more shows
booked in the next month or so I think
I'm about a month booked in but we got
some interesting guests lined up and
it's gonna be really good so with that
I'm gonna say peace and Shalom and I'll
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