Psychedelics, DMT Entities, Flat Earth + Open Lines | Anthony Hoyes | TruthSeekah Podcast

Psychedelics, DMT Entities, Flat Earth + Open Lines | Anthony Hoyes
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into today's conversation my friend
is joining us today anthony hoyes
anthony welcome to the truthseeker
podcast my friend how are you
i'm doing well thanks for having me
brother good to have you man
got your uh email uh shoot i i feel like
it's been a couple months now
that we've had this booked and and here
we are man you told me the uh
what you do and and your music and uh
what you wanted to talk about i said
sure man let's make it happen so
excited to uh to dive into the this the
topics and
subjects with you man i'm happy to do it
you know it's uh it's
it's pretty rare meeting someone who is
uh will just stay awake and you are uh
definitely that you've had some quality
people on the show and you know you
you definitely uh you get it so
it'll be nice to not have to answer the
same you know 10 questions
for sure go deep man yeah we'll do it
um so i guess just starting off just
kind of give people uh
just a little bit of background who who
you are what you do your music what you
bring to the table we'll start there
sure well first let me say to anyone
who's uh listening to this live
happy flat earth day to you um
we have uh my name is anthony hoyes i am
a death metal vocalist for the
uh band vorzug we are signed with
apollyon music which is our own label
and we have a distribution deal with
universal music group
um you know we've been
we've been a band for many years
basically
started it in 2000 and uh been doing it
ever since then um
we i'll say i
uh recently not too recently a couple
years back started waking up for myself
started seeing that there are deceptions
in the world started to
uh you know really really dig into them
once i started getting the time and it
became obvious that you know we live in
you know the best way i can describe it
is a science fiction
world pretty much you know we uh
you know we're taught at an early age
that there's
not you know dragons there's not magic
in the world there's not this and that
but we had dinosaurs that are you know
ridiculous creatures if you think about
them uh we had you know all these things
that
you know the laws of physics for example
those are
those aren't really you know accurate as
they've been described to us
uh you know nothing's nothing's what
we're we're told it's been
so it's been a journey for me um
you know i i i research a lot of things
i do
the experiments and it's it's just not
uh it's not what they say
you know i got into uh you know
psychedelic research
not too long ago a couple years back and
uh
that's a whole new thing to open your
eyes up things um
you know and then you can you can
correlate it if you you have
the uh you know capacity to
to think that government docu documents
are real
you know i've seen hundreds of
government documents saying
that you know basically space isn't real
it's interdimensional travel
it's uh you know they're making contacts
with entities they're using different
you know
ways of you know contacting these
creatures and they're getting
information with them you know you see
these uh
these globalist writings for the past
hundred years
h.g wells you know all these people that
you know they're 100 years ago you don't
think too much about it but
it's all stuff that's happening today
it's all stuff they're
talking about and you know building up
to so i mean we definitely live in a
in a strange situation that
most people have no clue what's going on
so i mean what
what's to what's to stop us from
thinking that they've lied to us about
literally everything
yeah it's hard to trust any narrative
that they give us and put in
even with like ufos and stuff like that
like everybody's like we're on the brink
of disclosure the government's gonna
tell us
what's happening as they're releasing
some weird obscure
like ufo footage that like if you dig on
the internet you can find way better
footage than the stuff that the
government's been releasing like
we don't know what this is uh people are
waiting for disclosure but whatever the
government says
you can be sure that the opposite is
true
so if they come on and say that these
are our enemies
know that they're your friend if they
come on and say that these are our
friends
know that they're your enemies that's
that's just the pro the stance i'm
taking
on that right but the beautiful thing is
you mentioned we can do our
own research i talk about the ce5
initiative and meditation and
psychedelics and things like that so a
lot of people have broken through i'm
reading the comments here
and someone says metro says i just took
a large dose of dmt
for the first time last week and it was
very life-changing
these experiences and coming in contact
with
different beings and uh and just to say
that
these dmt psychedelic entities are one
race of entities or they only have this
agenda
i think that would be very misleading as
well so um
we'll get into that a little bit more i
want to pick your brain on that but i
always want to go back to the like what
was the first things that kind of
open opened you up like was it uh
supernatural paranormal experiences as a
kid
was it watching a movie that lit
something within you was it being a fan
of
marvel and you know these movies and
stuff that light fires within you what
was it that kind of like captured that
magic for you
uh whether it was at a young age or what
got you into
researching this kind of stuff a couple
of things um
you know that i didn't start thinking
about this
until real uh a couple years into it
like it didn't occur to me i was five or
six years old
the very first time i had questions
about anything was about that age
i had gone in onto a plane for the first
time
and uh my neighbor was actually the
pilot he owned his own plane he took me
and my brothers up
and he showed us you know basically how
to fly a plane
very young and you know my question to
him was
you know what's that line way over there
which is the horizon
and he told me that's where the earth
curves away
and it didn't seem right because i could
see beyond that
but you know this is obviously a man i'm
a child i
didn't think anything of it and so i
moved on with my life
um that was the first thing but it
always sort of stuck with me a little
bit was that that horizon
there's more to it than that um later on
the first
real thing that got me was the uh film
jfk the all this color stone movie
um you know i
you know it heard about the jfk stuff
growing up a little bit didn't think too
much of it
again i was a child but then you know i
actually see a visual representation
and you know i that got me interested i
learned about fletcher prouty i learned
about you know the uh
basically black ops um
you know learned in a way the golf and
talk
tonkin from that um
again it's it's little things that stick
with you and then
we know when you start putting it all
together like okay now i know about this
i know about this i know about that you
can only connect so many dots before
you have to sort of ask yourself you
know why are there all these connections
to something
um so that was my first real thing and
then you know when when 9 11 happened
that
was pretty much it for me um yeah
at the time my buddy called me up i was
asleep and he goes dude you need to turn
on the tv right now they're flying
planes in the buildings
um you know
i i put the tv on that morning and right
as i turned the tv on there people
literally jumping out of the
the buildings on fire falling to death
and you know the news is saying how it's
a good thing they're doing that because
otherwise they would burn to death and
you know it's it's it's all trauma-based
mind control very early on
a very early time in the morning you
know um
i don't think everyone was in on it but
you know it's definitely not
not what they told us it was and uh
you know they definitely set that up it
was an inside job in my opinion
um you know you read the project for a
new american century document that
pretty much tells you everything right
there um
you know dick cheney was not uh still
not he's not a good man
um he
yeah yeah just all the stuff he he
openly said for his entire political
career
you know i respect dick cheney the fact
that he made somebody
apologize for uh getting shot by him
yeah
that was crazy man um you know i love
the part
when he was debating john edwards and
john edwards brought up the uh the
lesbian daughter thing to him and
he leans into him afterwards and says
you can go [Â __Â ] yourself
right on live mike that's great um
but you know politician-wise the guy's a
scumbag and he
you know he did a lot of horrible things
for this country you know a lot of
people blame george bush
i don't think george bush knew anything
about it you know he was not a bright
man you know they say he's one of their
smartest presidents which is kind of fun
um i don't know he's a cokehead party
animal dude
they grabbed him they say bro it's your
turn excuse my language they say get
your [Â __Â ] together
it's your turn you're up next you can't
be
you can't be a we got to change the
persona and they did
you know he tried his best anyway i say
that but yeah
well you see him you know right around
that time is
maybe 98 or so he really started talking
about god all the time
and being born again and you can just
see what was happening but then it but
then
there's a footage of him at a at a party
and they're all drinking
and uh they're asking him about
right-wing conservatives he's
he's he's drinking he said yeah they're
good they're great taxpayers and they
all have a laugh together
they pay their taxes and he was laughing
about conservatives just like oh my god
well you know that's one of the things i
want to get into with you you know you
don't
i'm sure you probably know this and your
listeners know this but you don't want
to be a taxpayer
you don't want to be called anything
than what you are and that's uh
that's a it's another trick that they
play on us
you know the laws that we think are real
have no no real impact on us unless we
want them to
and that's a it's a crazy thing to to
say and hear
for the first time but when you actually
look into it it's
it's disturbing kind of well the
sovereign movement's getting
getting pretty pretty big too you see a
lot of people
um researching it and and
and trying to invoke it strange when you
see people
who've maybe watched one video and try
to do it and they're like oh yeah this
isn't going well
they're like i'm sovereign i'm sorry for
the police like bust through the window
and
snatch them out the car but there's
other people when they hope they hold
themselves
you know they they know what they're
talking about and then they claim
sovereignty and then
even the judge has to bow down there's
nothing the judge can even do to him
really interesting for me i never i
never bring up sovereignty at all
because just the word is weaponized now
um and then that's the other thing you a
lot of times a lot of these people will
say things that they've heard but what
they hear aren't necessarily correct
and you you get yourself into a word
situation
we don't know the meanings for most of
their words so you know the the less we
say the better on a lot of these fronts
but you
need to understand who you are and be
assertive but calm and
you know don't back down as long as
you're you're friendly then
there's no no reason for pretty much i
think they say even
um i've heard this again heard um
haven't researched it they say that
marijuana is a legal term so when you
get pulled over and they find marijuana
on you it's like hold on
no that's cannabis like cannabis is is
is the the natural term and so even
with what they say that they found on
you is a term that they've created
that has this negative connotation with
it that is a legal term like you said
it's a it's a legal binding term to your
contract of
writing you a so-called ticket or
whatever yeah
at this point it's funny because now
that i actually want tickets no one will
give me any
because these people give me tickets i'm
going to take them for a ride and they
know it so
you know at this point i'm i'm not
harassed by anyone anymore but uh
it's just one of those things that it's
it's
it's ridiculous once you learn how to
talk just a little bit
it changes everything for the people you
deal with pretty much
yep and uh i mean one of the
the craziest ones that we've seen is is
a friend of mine
santos banachi like he he
he racked up like i think it was over 30
000 i don't know the exact number of uh
of fines of debts and fines from
from the government uh from traveling
across the
toll road and never showing up for court
and all of that and he would never pay
and uh they put him in jail but he um
ended up fighting it
and when it when it was time for his day
in court like he got released and there
was nothing that they could do to him
because
you know with the sovereign movement or
whatever he's free to travel
you can't say that i cannot you can't
make a road and say i can't travel
across it
you know so that was one of their things
was really interesting
again i'd be hemmed up i don't i don't
know enough but somebody like santos
who's kind of giving his life
to studying this stuff man he you know
shows you that there's something to it
for sure
yeah one of the last things i'd want to
do is argue with that guy
i love santos that guy is uh one of the
most intelligent
people i know and definitely one of the
most you know well-read people
um yeah the last thing i'm going to do
is argue with that guy about anything
he says some crazy sound and stuff but
you know you
when you look into it it's it's not
inaccurate so
you know it's uh i i never got into the
whole astrology thing early on but just
the fact that uh
you know it's when when you you wrap
astrology in with the uh
you know the the the geocentric
idea it changes a lot and i understand
you know you had said before in one of
your shows that you
you were kind of slow to embrace it just
because you saw the backlash out of it
to me that was one of the things that
kind of sent me running into it because
it's the backlash of all the same
stuff it's you know it's it's easily
easily disproven it's easily you know uh
it just doesn't make any kind of sense
but you know they still
yell it at you and you know it's it's
everybody who's convinced of it so i
mean that's a
you know i don't think that's a problem
in itself if you're just blindly
defending and not one of these people
know what the the heliocentric model is
pretty much so i mean it's
it's crazy when you understand all that
i uh i just had a i had a weird day
yesterday woke up
wasn't feeling it uninspired unmotivated
wanted to create knew i needed to but
there was zero
there was zero creativity it was really
just like hey
i don't even want to do this anymore
kind of thing i just wasn't in it like
and i don't want to create nothing if my
heart's not in it right and so i just
had a day
and um it was a weird day it just was
and i got on here and looked at my
my astrological forecast and it said
keep to yourself today will be
uneventful
the energies aren't right for you to
create even though you want to i was
like oh my god
like after feeling this all day i get on
here and read this
this forecast and it's like read my mail
it's like come on
and it actually touched me you know i
was like man something's up and you know
i know people who plan their days are
playing their weeks and months by their
forecast to know hey i'm
i'm not going to start anything today
i'm not going to go out in public today
i'm going to
just rest and all of that by looking at
the forecast and how the energies are
set up to benefit them
for what they want to create so if the
energies are against you and it's time
for you to rest
but you're out here trying to create
like you know it doesn't work
so that was interesting yesterday when i
when i read that
so you know it's it's funny you kind of
mentioned that my
my drummer dan he uh when i first met
him
he would always tell us you know it's
it's not in the stars can't do it today
and i used to think it was just you know
him being kind of funny or
yeah he wanted to do whatever and then
uh you know i
realized he was being serious about it
so like every day he'd be like no man he
can't can't do this today it's not in
the stars
you know it's bad stuff out there today
for us you know we had this show one
time he goes
[Â __Â ] man i don't know if we're gonna
play this show tonight i'm like why not
that's not the stars man and then we you
know it was a
big delay getting there and we got there
right on time and we played with the
whole time of that we're [Â __Â ]
and i'm like yeah kind of you know that
was the time i didn't i didn't believe
any of that stuff i didn't know anything
about it really and
now that i do looking back it's you know
it's interesting and then
you know i'm i'm old enough i remember
you know reagan and even
even george bush senior you know they
used to bring astrologers into the white
house all the time and it was constantly
like a news story
and you know you see all these top
people with astrologers and they'd make
a
you know laughing stock out of
eventually but up until
george bush senior you know reagan would
have them in there all the time
it was always in the news it was always
like a big deal that they'd come
um and there's that that quote you know
about billionaires use astrologers
millionaires don't
um you know it's it's really interesting
when you look into it you know
you have to take the good with the bad
of it you have to sift through it all
because
you know it depends on who's writing it
and you know what their their world view
is
and yeah um but yeah one on the uh you
know the geocentric model
things make a lot more sense and it's
you know it's
it's a you know i'm i'm really big the
whole astro theology thing santos got me
into that stuff
and it's it makes a lot of sense when
you you learn the stars are
you know just just how they really do
affect your life
um let's get back to the subject of the
uh dmt
experiences and psychedelic realms and
entities and uh
that's something that you you told me
you've had some experience with what's
your experience
with it and uh you know with the dmt
suicide being anything like that
um psilocybin dmt
lsd are the the ones i i really focus on
um uh
the salvia's interesting um
you know i i remember hearing about that
stuff back when i was in high school and
everyone said oh it's kind of like
like pot but a little different and uh
you know i remember i tried it and i i
didn't get
enough to really do anything to me so i
didn't think anything of it and then uh
you know i tried it not
too long ago um
and that was a really interesting
experience for me um
i didn't really care for it but i i
thought it was very helpful
um the uh the dmt
is a whole it's definitely a life
changer um
psilocybin and lsd you know they're very
helpful
um the but
the the first time i took lsd i took the
you know just a single tab of it didn't
do anything for me
um so i'm like oh next time i'm going to
try to try
a little more so i did like 400 uh
units of it as a little too much for my
my first real time
um but it was interesting it was fun
um nothing really really changed or
you know uh made any kind of a
life-changing thing but it was
interesting i
definitely felt something different i
was on a whole new plane of things you
know you could hear different things and
see different things you don't normally
see
the the dmt was you know i've probably
done that
about a hundred times now and
i think i've probably done it too much
but it's uh one of those things where
um you know over the course of a couple
years it's
it builds up but it's it's one of those
things like i said it changes
it changes your perspective on
everything for those who haven't done it
you know i first heard about it uh joe
rogan did that thing
um that spirit molecule
um i heard about that many years ago
like oh that's kind of cool that's
interesting
never really thought about using it or
anything but then uh you know it was
presented to me finally one day after i
was
you know i was actually searching for it
for about two weeks then a buddy of
mine's like hey i
happen to have some do you want to try
it um
so of course i jumped on it and it
changed quite a few things that really
opened my eyes to
you know what reality is um you know at
least what we think of reality
um you know i
uh we'll we'll get into all this stuff
but basically uh
you know i have a uh i have kidney
damage
i have kidney failure i have end-stage
kidney disease basically
so um you know i'm technically
dying i have a terminal illness and i'm
on a transplant list
and i get dialysis and all that and uh
you know i went through this thing when
i was first diagnosed you know two years
ago about how you know i'm gonna die
soon
it's gonna be a you know a rough
transition that sort of thing
and uh you know that's what got me
prompted into wanting to try this i
figured okay i don't have too much
longer let's do this
since doing that it took all depression
away from me
it takes it it changes a lot of a lot of
you know
positive health things for you
aside from the the tripping aspect of it
you know
it it really uh they called the ego
death um i have a different
sort of point of view on that but um you
know
you you i think you have to have that to
grow in a lot of ways
um and then
you know when you read what dmt does and
you know what it is
it's all natural substances it's you
know it's it's found
directly it's given to us by by the
creator there's no doubt about that
it's you know it's a uh it's a plant um
people have used it for thousands of
years it it's in such a way to where
literally it's in everything you know
it's in our bodies already
you know we they say that when we
we dream we release small amounts of it
and that makes a lot of sense
um they say when we die that basically
is you know the first
few minutes um after death you still
they have brain
wave monitors that they they do for i
think it's up to like 10 minutes you're
still
technically conscious so during that 10
minutes you know when you're
you're dead and you're conscious that's
a real interesting thing to look into as
well
uh you know what does that mean um
it the the funniest thing about the dmt
thing is
uh you know when you first you first
have it you don't know
how to describe it to anybody um you see
things that there are no words for
uh shapes colors that you've never seen
experienced but yet you
you know what they are now uh you can't
really describe them to anybody but if
you ever see them again you know exactly
what it is
um and then you look into you know you
just start getting into sacred geometry
and you know there it is right there
that's all the stuff they show you
you know uh these these entities you
know um
i i i went into it being told don't make
deals with these creatures
you know um anything you do basically
they're gonna trick you
and they uh they show you what you wanna
see
basically and they show you a few things
that seem uncomfortable just to get you
to trust them more
and they display themselves in different
ways that's not their true
you know being or entity shapes or
whatever
and that's that's definitely a good rule
to to know when you go into it and when
you're
you know the beginning stages of stuff
um
but then you start reading you know
these these
uh globalist white papers and their
writings were
you know they're going into these you
know these other
dimensions and making deals with them
you know they're
getting downloaded information from them
you know they come out of these sessions
with
you know just pages and pages of
you know designs and you know technology
and stuff and
you start thinking okay well you know
why are they making these deals how are
they doing that
then you start reading the you know the
studies that they do on psychedelics and
you know how they're stopping your heart
and getting you to stay longer
you know in the other dimensions and
you know then uh these people are doing
sacrifices before they go in
and then you know for these uh the the
government documents for example they
have this one
called the uh the gateway experience
um that was that was back in the 70s
where this
uh this it's called them the monroe
institute
they have a way they're still you can
look them up they've got a website
online
it's it's basically a consciousness
clinic you know it goes into
to how you can travel you know with with
the meditations with
the substances um you know they
teach you how to do these things they
you know you you can go there you can
you know learn how to do it
um it's basically a psychedelic retreat
kind of thing but you know they also use
yoga
and you know meditation and all that
stuff you know float rest or at least
they used to i don't know what they
still do um
you know all those those isolation tank
things
um all the
this is this is uh government documents
there's physicists
there's uh you know there's army people
involved doing this
saying you know these are the steps
we're taking these are you know the
experiences we had with it so you know
this definitely
works this is how you make contact with
the entities
this is how you you know you do you know
basically you you make trades with them
um and it goes through different things
so i mean that's that's one document
and it's got all these things also in
there it discusses uh
you know taurus fields going back to
what santos talks about all the time
you know it talks about how basically we
are in a cosmic egg sort of shape
flat plain with taurus fields above us
and below us
and you know the world is
electromagnetic and they start talking
about displacing time and space with
this stuff
and you know all of that goes into the
the gateway
you know it's a gateway project or
gateway experience operation looking
glass
and you know again if you're a
government document person
it's documented going back you know 40
50 years
um there's there's something
to it and you know it could be that
they're
releasing these things now because they
know there's an interest in it but
i mean these again you see what they've
been doing for you know however long and
they've
they've known they can do this you know
um
the the secret space program for example
you know that's uh
hear a lot of people talking about that
i it's it's i don't think that's a space
program at all because i don't believe
space is real
um you know you that's definitely a
propulsion thing they have all kinds of
stuff for
propulsion for for we'll call it magic
uh things that defy the laws of physics
um
you know we don't have any other choice
but to call it magic right now it's just
advanced technology that they're
from their own you know word of mouth
there in their their
their books and whatnot they got this
from the aliens
or from entities and other you know
other uh
realms other dimensions um
you see uh theoretical physics you see
uh string theory you see all these
things that make
some sense wrapped up in all this other
nonsense but
the the things that make sense are
things that we've been talking about you
know in the the truth movement now for a
long time you know the
the multiple layers of dimensions you
know the
i believe string theory is they say
there's 12 different layers
um you know you you go into the old text
and you see there's seven different
layers of these
you know rings these cause cosmic rings
around us and
you know there's the uh the seven
planets that we see the wondering stars
and
you know a lot of ancient writings say
those are all portals and those have to
do with you know
god sending souls to us and you know the
tower of babel they're trying to get up
to these portals trying to get into
heaven
it's all the same you know all the same
stuff now with nasa and these space
agencies they're all trying to
break out and you know go to mars i
think they are trying to go to mars not
the planet but you know
i i'm into the cosmic egg thing that's
that makes a lot of sense the outer
space of
you know our world is you know over
antarctica basically
um you know i that that makes a lot of
sense it doesn't make sense to me that
aliens are coming from
you know trillions of miles away um
yeah i i don't buy space for a second
but um
it all again that's that's something
that we can't test for ourselves we have
to take someone's word for it but what
we can do is
you know the best we can we can send
balloons up we can
do different types of you know
experiments with that you know i
dave weiss talks about um you know he
can't see stars after 80 000 feet that's
interesting to me
um you know why why can't you
um and then it's a nonsense it's a
nonsense thing they tell you because
you know the aperture you can't see it
you know this and that that that doesn't
make any sense i can
i i have a an iphone and i every day i
go out and take pictures of the sky i
get stars i get all these things
not the best camera um and i'm taking it
from underneath a
you know a a street light so it doesn't
make any sense and
this this is very simple simple
photography you can do
um and get real you know real good
cameras and zoom in on these things and
it's not what they're
they tell us it is um you know the
crow triple seven you know the the
second sun you know
there's no excuse for you know why we
can see these two suns in the sky
they say oh it's it's not real but you
know very clearly you can
get a solar filter on a camera and you
can do it yourself
so when you say it's not real what is
reality
we don't know anything what reality is
um let me ask you about this just going
back to the uh you know talking about
the government and different people
and crowley and all these people you
know supposedly contacting
um entities or going into these realms
to get information right
uh that goes back to a lot of of
different things
again people trying to you know trace
that back to demons and stuff like that
or say it's the same thing
you know jen the idea of the gen we did
a documentary on it just like
if you capture a gin which is a spirit
entity
where we get the term genie from the
genie that resides in the magical lamp
if you can catch the genie
trap it in an object then it will tell
you secrets
it will give you wishes and things like
that so a lot of people kind of tie that
into i guess going into the psychedelic
realm and
dmt entities or angels whatever you want
to call them getting
this this information um do you think
that all of that is
negative or do you think that negative
people are
using a force that is neutral
for negative reasons much like we can
see let's just look at something
as simple as the bible right the bible
look at the book of eli the movie right
um it's
a beautiful book of literature a
beautiful book of spirituality depending
on the reader
some people use it for control some
people say that if you don't give money
to us
god is not gonna bless you god you're
going to go to hell
unless you come to our congregation and
do it the way that we do it other people
will use that same text and
reveal it and show god's love and god's
plan for humanity there's different ways
of
people who get the information and use
it for either
positive or negative reasons so i guess
going back to the question do you think
that
those entities in that realm are good
bad both
or just neutral in general
um i think that
they are and again it depends on
on how you get there um i think there's
different different substances gets you
to different levels
um but i think for the most part
it is a
it's the same as we have here it's a
mixture of good and bad things there
um you know there there is no all good
there is no all bad you have to have a
balance you know that's
that's something again you go back to
ancient texts that
it talks about a balance it talks about
you know the chinese stuff yin and yang
anytime you get too much of one or the
other it's going to be
you know not so good for you because
there's always a return to where you're
gonna have to pay that price eventually
so you know i think that when you uh
when you make contact with these things
some of them are good
some of them are bad and i think a lot
of them they they read what your
intentions are
you know um yeah yeah i i like to
to joke that um you know they probably
get a kick out of it when we come to
visit them you know because
well that's what people say like what
they say they look at them like what are
you doing here
kind of a notion yeah i mean it's it's
i i i i'll oh i'll run through one of
mine
what about like let's just say what
about when when a white person
wanders through the hood who's not from
there
what is this guy walking down this
cracker walking down the street he's
lost
are you lost do you know where you are
you're on the wrong street buddy you
need to get on the other side of that
train track
i've i've had it happen to me i'm not
making it up like it's
you know so you kind of feel like that
happens at one time in uh in it was
essentially watts
so i'm the ghetto and uh
you know we get lost on the way to the
show and
no one wants to pull over because that's
definitely it's not a neighborhood we
belong in
a bunch of long-haired guys and me with
my shaved head and goatee
and you know it does doesn't look like
we belong there at all
and uh you know we we end up pulling
over and asking this lady
completely cracked out of her mind she
was the sweetest lady to us though and
she told us exactly how to get there we
get there
and uh we have a great time there we all
the people that came out you know
they're
it was funny because there's a bunch of
these metal heads out in the middle of
the ghetto type place and
everyone's like originally
i'm i'm from the la area so i i know the
the area pretty well and i know for the
most part it's not as bad as they
they tell you it is but when you're not
from there and you're not used to it
it's it's a scary
situation especially at night and you
know we're getting off the on-ramp at
one of these places and this guy
opens up his shirt and he's got a gun
and he just starts pointing to it and
points at us and goes
yeah as we're driving the bottom like
okay well we're not stopping here
so it's one of those things but yeah i
mean one of the the fun things about the
dmt things i did before was uh
one of my experiences was i'll smoke it
and then i get this uh
the best way to describe it is i get
like this uh this instead of blasting
off right away
i would always get this feeling of like
a feeling out period between me and
you know whoever i'm i'm interacting
with on the other side there like i
would get this feeling like
it starts slow where like this this
presence or feeling will will come over
me and
start like uh touching my body in a way
that's like
feeling my energies
and i always feel it right you know i
have kidney problems and that's always
on my mind so i always feel it right
you know small with my back right where
my kidneys are i feel this real
like a vibrational energy but it's
always good it's always a very pleasant
thing
and it's always like a uh
that goes on for a few minutes and then
it's okay we accept your energy and then
boom
there you are and is that is that always
on
some type of substance or is that have
you ever had those experiences just
through like deep meditation
um this this is this specifically is
just
for dmp i have had it in a uh an
isolation tank before
yeah uh strong but i definitely had some
uh
uh we'll call it an energy disruption or
something there's there's something
different other than just me and that
tank at least it felt that way
yeah um and and for that you know it's
it's
i didn't feel the uh the vibrational
energy i normally feel
but there's something there's a presence
there that you do feel
and there's uh you know very light
hallucinations more
you know i kept my eyes closed a lot of
it and it's mostly like in your mind but
when you open your eyes
you can see some stuff in there that you
don't normally see um
and then once when you you have that
blast off feeling
um you know i've had only one
bad bad dmt trip where
i don't feel as though i i got anything
from it and it was just not a good
experience
i didn't go anywhere i didn't feel
phil well with it like i've had other
bad trips but i've always felt like i've
learned something from them
yeah and if you're you know if you have
depression or any kind of emotional
damage
um it's definitely good for that
maybe not uh when you don't know it
uh you probably it it changes it like i
said
it's it's an ego death kind of thing but
i don't necessarily believe in the ego
because it's one of those things that
it's it's a thought experiment thing um
they say that you have to to kill your
ego and understand that you're not
really your body
and you're not you know the things that
you built yourself up to be and that's
true
but uh the ego itself is
isn't real so can you get rid of
something that's not real
i mean it's real because you think it is
but it's not a physical
it's not based in our physical uh you
know reality
it's just the thought we have so i don't
really think of ego as a
as a hump you've got to get over but in
a way it kind of is you have to sort of
let things go and realize that
you know there's more than than what we
think is going on
yeah um so yeah as far as
as far as the the psychedelic research
uh psilocybin is really interesting you
know you
you take you know five grams of that and
you're
definitely in a whole new world um
i i love doing the thing where you look
in the mirrors when you're
you're on these things that i get stuck
in that and
you know for me that's weird when you're
not on anything
yeah i had a friend of mine who uh he
did a lot of acid in high school
and i remember we used to bring him to
church and stuff and i was dropping him
off one day
he's like hey man uh you ever looked in
the mirror and you feel like it's some
something else looking back at you i'm
like
and uh it was got this i was young i was
like
not not really man and i got to thinking
about that's kind of crazy to be looking
in the mirror and thinking that
you know some would say demonic
possession you got a demon in you that's
talking to you or looking through your
eyes or something but
you know that that you know mirror
gazing is a
is a psychedelic experience in it itself
what am i what's in there
and you just kind of get stuck and lost
in that you know
even not on anything i'll say that yeah
especially if you're taking pictures of
a
mirror and you're you know you're
filming it you see
multiple multiple layers of these things
and there's some other interesting
videos on that where they just
it like opens up a portal where it's
like nothing just kind of
keeps reflecting back until like it
looks like a different realm or
something on the other side it's pretty
crazy
i had one of those experiences when i
was on you know mushrooms
where i felt the same thing and not not
necessarily just
looking into the mirror i was you know
i'm sitting here and i'm thinking to
myself
you know this is my body sure you know
it's it's what i'm
you know i i think i'm i'm an energy
basically you know i think we're all
energy
uh this is the the experience we're
having in this go-round of our thing
uh but it yeah it's just started
thinking what's you know you can
you can see but what are you seeing like
um
you know your eyes work they've you know
they flip images upside down so you can
process them
your mind's telling you what you're what
you're seeing but that's not really what
you're seeing it's just how light's
hitting something and what you're able
to process um
so you know what what we see that's not
reality it's it's what we
we have to think of as reality in in
terms of our
you know day-to-day construct but you
know big picture
it's not there but but you start to
think you know what's what's behind your
eyes you know
what what's the center of thought i
think that anything everyone says oh
it's your brain but
what is your brain essentially i mean
we know that the brain is a receptor we
know it's decoding things
constantly so you know you have to
understand what what is that you know
what is
what is the the divine spark you can
call it that's inside of all of us that
made us alive you know we
we think okay i'm i'm looking right now
i'm looking at you
i'm seeing you um you know the image is
coming to my eyes
my brain is processing it but i always
felt especially when you're on you know
lsd or mushrooms especially mushrooms
for me
that there's something else you know
there there's something else behind i
guess the brain or
you know right at the center of the
brain their core
there's something that we're that's
driving all of us to do what we do
you know our thoughts create a reality
so what's making us think these things
you know what's what's giving us this
information that is
basically impossible before you think of
it and why is that why is something
impossible before you know it's real
you know uh it's it's one of those
things that it doesn't make any sense to
talk about but when you're on these
substances it makes perfect sense at the
time and
you sort of get something that stays
with you at least you know for me that's
how it always tends to work
i always say if you can pull one thing
out you know if you can pull one thing
out of that realm
that benefits your life that can that
can help you whether it's an epiphany or
an inner knowing that we're all
connected or i feel like that's true
shamanism for one who is able to kind of
go
and journey back and forth between the
realms and not just do it as a
psychonaut but it's someone is able to
do it as an imagination
and pull something back from that realm
and
and uh see it manifest in your life and
then and then
to do it for yourself but then also to
help other people do it like do it
for other people you know whether it's
you doing it on their behalf or you're
teaching them how to kind of manifest in
their own life and
and showing them the true nature of
reality and you know
reality that we have in multiple realms
not just this one but that version of
you as an avatar or as your
consciousness
that's going into those other realms
whether it's through your imagination or
you're leaving your body
whatever maybe all of them um but just
to be present while you're there and so
you know teaching people how to do that
is good
i just want to say everybody we have a
couple people on the on the call right
now so we'll jump to these calls here in
a moment
and the phone lines are open we'll begin
taking your calls to see you guys
number is
so we 609-663-5577 right this analogy of
going to those realms and then
you know and entertaining looking at you
like what what is what are you doing
here
and then liking that to the hood what it
what are these white kids doing walking
through the hood you know
um but it's interesting the and my mind
works with music and i'm reminded of a
lyric but bg from the hot boys he said
my ghetto pass go state to state i can
go in any hood cause i ain't fake
so like i can go in any hood and be
accepted and be amongst the people
i can go to the trailer parks i can go
to the hood i can go
with the millionaires and hang out right
i can be all things to all people
and be present in that environment kind
of thing
um there's a difference there like let's
just think of going to the hood
because we've we've done it whether
we're going to buy drugs or whatever
you know in our teenage years um and you
got somebody with you
like i didn't come in here by myself i
know jamal
and i'm friends with jamal who's this
guy yeah he's friends with jamal
i am uh i'm a christian mystic and so i
tie my
energy back to christ you know in this
white light of christ that exists in all
realms and
he's the highest vibrational form of
light that ever existed and
it's pure love and that kind of thing so
i feel like
when i when i journey to those realms my
consciousness is connected with this
guide the holy spirit if you will that's
like oh
man he's with jesus he's with the christ
okay we can't touch him because he's
with jesus so just like you would go
through the hood
and you'll get checked ain't no he's
with that's what oh man that's
so-and-so's homeboy yeah you can't mess
with him he's riding with so and so but
if you was by yourself
you'll get robbed you'll get robbed but
take everything from you take your cell
phone take your wallet
beat you up but you're friends with so
and so and you're with him
is that would you could you relate to
that analogy at all of just knowing who
you are and knowing that
you don't have any um
fear you know you don't have any uh
you're open to explore i think all of
that stuff is um
you know relatable in those realms
i agree completely um it's
when when you're you're working in
non-nefarious circles then you have
nothing to worry about
i find um you know uh
we are all connected in whatever way
you want to you want to you know say it
but we are all people we are humans we
are all connected um
i think we all and you know uh
i'm not a christian but i i definitely
you know
vibe with the creator i vibe with an
idea of a
god um i always wondered why you could
have a
you know an omnipresent god because i
think god is literally in all of us
i think that's one of what our
connection is but you know god is nature
god you know i i'm big in music as well
um you know sound itself is a
fascinating thing when you learn
you know the science of sound
you know sound basically is love you
know you you can use it for hate too
of course but but sound in its purest
form
is love and i think that's what you you
try to
at least most people i think they they
strive for that they want
they want a you know you can call it
perfection
whatever you you want something higher
than what you are
um so i i know i think if you
like anything else you get out of things
what you put into them
and if you use it for bad reasons you're
gonna get the results you want based on
those bad reasons
um but it's it's if you you do
things with good intentions and you know
the only thing the fear is fear itself
that's a very accurate quote because
you know when you actually talk to
people
we're basically all on the same page we
we have
opinions of course we all have our own
opinions on things and
they don't always line up but you know
we are
who we are and when you know who you are
and you know that you're not
you know well you'll use the analogy of
hurling through space or
you know you're we know that you know
for me i'll i'll say this i'm not
afraid of corona you know that means
nothing to me
um you know i i i'm in no way concerned
with it
i live my life accordingly i don't wear
a mask i don't socially distance
i have no immune system according to my
doctors
you know i i would have been the first
person to die from any of this
and literally not one thing in my life
has changed i
i still have people over i still do
things
you know the whole time i'm in arizona
so we have uh
the city of phoenix is not a uh is
is turning liberal so to speak in a way
but
the state itself is not a liberal thing
most of the people don't buy into the
corona stuff um
you know the the governor shut down a
lot of things but for the most part he
kept things open
he required mass for a little bit and
then when he realized he didn't have
that power he stopped it
um it's it's one of those things
if if you are you know we'll go back to
somebody real quick but if
if you know that that you are
not an accident you're not a mistake you
didn't evolve from hanscom
um you know you're you're free to walk
around and you know i
i don't shy away from going to the
ghetto or anywhere else now
because you know i find that those
people especially they listen to you
when you talk to them
you know a lot of them are awake they
you know you don't you don't think
anything of it because a lot of people
don't talk you know and that's what they
want us they
they want us to not be around each other
they want us to not talk to each other
they want division they want especially
racial division right now
um you know black people are people i'm
i'm half arab i'm just
i'm just a regular person you know i'm
i'm not anything special because of my
race i'm not anything different than you
are
you know it's it's just one of those
things we're all we're all created
equally in the eyes
of the lord and
they sort of give us these distractions
so we don't
think about it and you know it ties into
all the law stuff you don't have to
listen to their nonsense if you know
you are a a man or a woman and we'll say
man and that'll encompass everyone but
you know
you are you are a man you are a woman
you can do what you please as long as
you're not harming other people
you know that's that's that's something
that everyone was thinking
you know that's i mean you're kind of
quoting crowley there and some people
would would say that that's
bad do you think that he had you know
good intentions with that because you
know people
people demonize people at work all the
time but you know i'm saying
at least at least with the do with thou
wilt shall be the whole of the law like
do what you want as long as it doesn't
harm anyone is is usually the the
connotation that people
read into that do you think that that
was something innocent or did was he
using that
for nefarious he was using that for
nefarious reasons um you know
you get into crowley i i'm not a crowley
person at all i hate crowley
um he stole all that stuff from other
people
um you know you can you can i don't
remember off top of my head
you know authors and book names like
some people do but you know i've read a
lot of this stuff and
you know these are things that are
talked about in the 1400s a lot of times
you know
you for example the uh the
um the rs gotcha
um that's a book on demonology in in a
way or you think about it
it's the uh the
the last third table of solomon or
something i can't remember exactly what
it is but it's a book on demonology
on how to contact these these demons
what they call them you can also contact
angels with it if you know what you're
doing
um so it doesn't have to be demonology
it could be
used for you know for good reasons and
then they say if you know what you're
doing when you contact these demons then
you know you can control them basically
um
i i don't want to conjure up demons i
i do believe in demons yeah uh
you know i i i don't want any part of
that um
i'm interested in it for sure because
it's an interesting topic i
i'd love to be involved in some way sort
of watching it from
the outside but yeah
yeah here's the thing eating the
satanism
and all that stuff you know early on
yeah
you know i was a metal guy that's what
we were sort of too
we go but you know i i realize
a few years back sort of without anybody
prompting us to do this
you know a lot of people do these things
and use these images and
you know we may not all all mean it or
intend it but if you're using it and
it's
it's meant for a certain thing then
that's what draws your energy so it's
all
psychic vampires basically is how i like
to put it um
you know these these these entities are
there
and i i've contacted a lot of these
things myself
um so it it's it's one of those things
where
um it's it's
crazy when you you haven't done it and
it's crazy to hear people talk about it
but
you know you see all these things and
you know you see what the stuff crowley
did and
you know he he said we're gonna use it
for you know for harming people he was
using it for bad stuff
um he was an ends justify the meme kind
of guy and
i don't necessarily believe that i can i
can understand the value for some people
and on some of those things but yeah uh
you know he was doing pedophile rituals
and stuff like that and that's there's
no
no cause for any of that well that's one
of the things too and we don't have to
jump too big into it but
you know we're talking about good and
evil like a good entity or or what is
good or
what is evil and so a lot of those
people we talk about the elite
you know we're looking at 9 11 like they
justify again the means to the end like
we have
you know so many people have to die in
order for these laws to get past
even where we're at right now i don't
want to even say that word too much on
youtube
but you know so some so we have to do
this and and
you know it's you know all this planned
stuff but that you know the means
justifies the
end that listen as we're we have things
that we have to get past or
where we're going to go in as a society
i don't think any of this is
accident by any stretch of the
imagination all of
i've studied just enough to know that
it's planned
just enough to look into 911 or gulf
talking or
whatever you know what i'm saying to
know that they haven't told us the whole
truth so
again when people would do evil stuff
and then justify it in the end i watched
me and my wife watched a serial killer
documentary those are huge right now
everybody's infatuated with them but
this guy he's you know killed all these
women
and he's in jail justifying it you know
and he's making like he's made up these
stories in his head why it was okay
to do it well yeah this woman said this
and i blacked out and
it's like like it was another thing
because he had started doing it over and
over and over he's like god
this guy has a different scenario in his
head we're like hold on this guy's a
serial killer and he in his mind he's
like well i just
she was ripping people off it was a
prostitute ripping people off so i had
to take
this weird come on dude that's and so
these are the kind of people
you're talking about and that dude
wright is a serial killer he killed a
woman
right or eight eight women 13 women
whatever we're talking about
serial killers on a mass level and i
don't want to get too big into this
they'll pull this damn channel
we're talking about serial killers on a
kill 13 000 people
with the push of a button with the sign
of a document you know what i'm saying
like that's who we're talking about so
we don't have to go big into that let's
don't make it negative
well let's jump to the phone lines uh we
have some people who've been waiting for
a while
because we can go down that road and
delete this whole episode um
we got metro on the line i believe from
uh the 902
area code brother are you with us can
you hear us
hello hey what's up
you're gonna have to mute the uh podcast
on youtube
okay can you hear us now hey man
yeah yeah i can hear you how are you
doing today man
good bro welcome to the show good man
thank you thank you it's a little bit
hard you're cutting it a little bit but
do my best okay uh so yeah i got a
couple questions here written down
um like i said i have i took dmt for the
first time
uh last week and it was really
life-changing
um but i didn't see any entities
like is that is that a normal thing
it depends i'm sorry was that
oh i just i wasn't sure if you were just
cutting out or if you weren't talking
sorry about that uh it depends on how
much you take
um it depends on you know it's it's
it's silly it also depends on your state
of mind um
when you go into it assuming you're
going to have a result
you don't always have that result and
sometimes um
you know i i've had an experience myself
where i used it
i had contact with an entity they looked
at me
um
i you feel this this presence that's you
know
they communicate you with you directly
into your brain
um you know they're looking at you
looking over you and
uh it said to me you've been here too
much
you're wasting your life go do something
then come back
not the only one that's had that sort of
experience you know so
so sometimes you're either not getting
enough or
they're not ready to to deal with you
yet um
sometimes you have to be you know in
mindset
but but yeah it's definitely a life
changing you even if you don't make
contact you you did make contact you
just don't remember or don't realize
you didn't see you didn't see something
we didn't see anything but they
definitely saw you
it was so extreme and so intense
in that moment that i don't feel like i
did remember a lot of the stuff but i
have taken it a couple of times
but i don't mean to switch the subject
so drastically but are you where flat
earth is
uh 100 you
okay um so i this has
been in my family for a couple years
about six years ago my mom came to me
and said hey
son i think the earth is flat and i said
mom you're [Â __Â ] crazy
sorry excuse my language i didn't move
that now she still believes it
and i am very up in the air with it now
why
should i believe it
um i can literally sit here for hours
and tell you reasons
why you should um i won't do that what
i'll say
is go out and research it for yourself
but um real real quick give me
two reasons why you think the earth
would be a globe
okay um well what does longitudinal
latitude mean on a flat earth
does it have any meaning or is it just
does it not exist
um it exists and uh basically
what it means is the fact that
uh it's a way of trapping us essentially
but but what it means is
um i don't have a
way of really showing but
let's say that this right here looking
straight forward at it
um you know let's pretend we're looking
down so we're looking down at the circle
of the earth
right earth is definitely a circle
the the hebrew for ball and circle are
different
um so this is a symbol of the earth
let's pretend that
right in the center is what we see
that's that's the north the north pole
so
when you have a magnitude you constantly
if you're pointing north you have to
constantly keep turning
no matter where you go to keep turning
north to stay
going east or west in a circle around
the north pole
you can go in circles either way east
and west those are circles
um that's basically to pull it right
quick i'm not watching this live because
there's a bit of a lag from
green so it's hard yeah okay but i am
seeing it that's
a good minute yeah so so basically what
i'm saying
go in circles around either way east or
west you can go from
uh technically south you can cross over
the north
but once you get over the north you're
gonna
adjust correctly you have to turn your
compass back and you'll be going back
and forth every time you go
what you can't do on the the uh flat
earth and what no one has done
on the alleged low birth is you can't go
south
and come up at the top of the ball north
um so latitude and longitude those are
those are ways of of uh making you think
one that you're on a ball and two
it's it is a way of measuring things
like for example the uh
you know we'll use the uh the latin tube
lines
it's uh 60 degrees south parallel you're
not
allowed to go past that uh as a
according to the antarctic treaty
um so those are actual lines you can
you know for navigation um but it's it's
meant to keep you thinking that you're
on a ball what's what's your your number
two reason for a globe
um well i guess i i'm just gonna quickly
say so
the south not exist uh it exists
but but not in the way that it's
described to us so
um imagine that again again let's say
you're
you're up in the air and you're looking
down on the earth um
okay essentially you have to imagine
that the earth
is a a lake we'll call it a lake
the the oceans are the water the
continents are inside of it
um what is containing that water
antarctica antarctica is the largest
land on earth it's the highest land
an encircled earth pond or
um so basically there's an indented land
that's the
the water the sea level or the the sea
floor
then there's the ocean and there's the
actual land on continent so if you were
to
if you were to get on a boat and sail to
any continent
you get off at a dock and you walk right
onto that continent when you go to
antarctica
whether it's a ball or or whether it's
flat
that is the highest land on earth that's
150 to 200 feet ice shelf when you get
there so that is the
the ice shore we call people call it the
ice wall
um once you get there okay you're not
allowed to go there
you got to remember that but when you
you you are able to go
day or two or whatever that the vacation
packages
you can go there they walk you around
but you can't independently travel so
if you keep going south you know
we've never been there we're not allowed
to go there there's a reason for that
but you know no one has been able to go
south and then come back now the uh
you see people who said oh you know we
walked around antarctica
um their actual location isn't
antarctica the whole thing it's a very
small portion of it and then they turn
around and go right back up
um so it's it's one of the things i do
have another question
um
um the sun if we're on a flat earth how
does the sun only cover
half of it per second good question
you know like if there's a sun going
around
the sun and the moon are uh we call them
local
they are not you know thousands and
millions of miles away they are
um you know again we or we can't go up
there but
a lot of people believe that the sun and
moon are
closer than than 3 000 miles above us um
so one if you have a you can do this
yourself get a get a flashlight
and hold it you know right above the
table you know
probably about you know three feet or so
above a table
um you'll see that the light will come
in
basically you know come in
uh they call them crepuscular rays
uh it's the same as the sun um so
they sun rays if we had a 93 million
mile away sun that's as huge as it was
or they say it is then we would have
parallel rays coming in constantly but
if you have a
source light and then you you know you
splash it down the way it works is it
it's
it dissipates as it goes down so it's
only covering the area that it's
above now because it goes around in a
circle it goes between the tropic of
capricorn and the tropic of cancer and
then
the line in the middle is the equator
it's not um you know around
long ways but it's around east and west
in a circle like
describing so when that goes
later say that again
what is the equator on a flat earth
um you'd have to to look at the model
and really understand this but
basically the uh the equator is just
the it's the middle port between the
tropic of cans
tropic of capricorn so the sun migrates
between those lines
so as it spins out like right now in the
states this is our summer
you know we're getting into our summer
it's closer to the inner ring
which where we're at now when it starts
getting to be our winter which is the
summer for
the southern hemisphere it goes further
out it's higher
or it's out higher in the sky but it
looks lower you know to us because it's
further out
it's all about perspective it's the same
as when you look down the stream you see
you know uh telephone poles going down
they look like they get smaller as you
go away
so basically this goes in between
and it heats up you know the specified
area so you're only getting
you know light on one one area of it as
it goes around but it
you know the the sky is basically a
perfect clock so it
spins around us on its own area and
that's basically how we have clocks by
the way they look at the sky it's a
perfect clock
that's interesting that's very
interesting if if you you could see
that it would make sense to you but it
it's to hear it it doesn't mean
do you have any um diagrams or what do
you say would you say that i could look
at
um like maps um that you would point me
to
you gotta look at the episode we just
did with uh david david wise like
that was because he did a presentation
during the interview it was really good
i don't know if you've seen that one
david has a great presentation
he has an app that you can get if you
don't want to pay for an app don't you
can
you can look up the uh it's called the
azimuthal equidistance map
the ae map or just type in flat earth
map
if you look at the flag
you'll see that's the map that that the
un uses
um and that is there's that then there's
you can also type in flat earth mercator
projection map
and there's a few different maps out
there um
they're they're fairly accurate see
what's going on with them
um just one more or i guess i get i got
a few things but i don't want to keep
you all day
so i'm certain and it's the same
questions i'm sure you heard what about
like the southern cross stars and
polaris stars
you know yeah that's a good question i
mean
so so uh
we we first have to understand what the
heliocentric model is to really answer
this question
um heliocentric model we are
rotating at the equator at 1038 miles
per hour
we are traveling through the solar
system at 66
600 miles per hour we are chasing the
sun at 500 000
an hour and we are moving sideways
through our
solar system at over a million miles an
hour
so right there we are moving in four
different directions at four different
speeds at the exact same time
so when you say what southern cross and
about
polaris none of that makes any sense on
a globe earth that's spinning
um now what they tell us is we can see
um polaris because it's so far away and
so big
it doesn't matter how much we we spin
and everything else it's just
it's always there um that's impossible
that's
not um and i can prove that
scientifically in a moment
but um essentially what uh
what polaris is that is the north star
um these things are not trillions of
miles away from us
um the sky like i said the sky itself
rotates so
in the north we can see the north star
in the south they see the southern cross
now as hours go on the sky will rotate
around so you know you'll see
in australia you'll see the southern
cross then 12 hours later you'll see it
or 12 hours before you'll see it and you
know south america what
however that works um and it's all sort
of
again it all depends on where you're
you can see you can see the uh the north
star
at as far as 30 degrees south parallel
which you shouldn't be able to see
you're on a spinning ball but you can
see so you know
what our star lights in the sky um you
know
that's all we can really say about them
that we know for sure we can't test them
but we can see them in
things and if you plot that out on the
flat earth map we'll understand how the
stars rotate above us
it makes perfect sense
did you say it was flat earth day
oh that makes sense oh
that's funny that makes sense i had one
more thing
um it was why do things fall down
it's a good question so
you have to again understand what
gravity is um
you know again watch the episode that
dave weiss did he
he has a whole presentation on it it's
great um
but what gravity is essentially um they
tell us that gravity is a force
um when you look at what gravity is that
isn't a force they tell you it's not a
force but
you know the talking head sign will
always say gravity is a force
um you know what what is gravity
the earth has a measurable um
negative charge to it this is again
science you can do your
um it has a negative charge if you
understand how
electromagnetism works that establishes
down um density and buoyancy really do
sort everything else out because if you
have
you know you could have a hundred pound
iron anvil and you can float it in a
pool of mercury why because the iron
is lighter it's less dense mercury
um that's not defying gravity but
in a way it sort of is you can you can
put a charge onto anything and instead
of it being attracted as long as you put
that char
and you have something above it um as
well that has a charge
that has more of a charge than the
negative of the earth then
that will then repulse against it just
like a magnet wouldn't put positives and
negatives together they repulse
so that falling down it will rise up
um it makes perfect sense when you know
electromagnetism and then understand
density and buoyancy
um you know when i first got into it i
had a real hard top
problem with accepting the no gravity
things i wasn't understanding
you know the electromagnetic part
everyone was saying density and buoyancy
but when you
you learn electromagnetism everything
sort of falls in
and then um you can you can you can
this is in government documents they
talk about how
relativity is not real they talk about
the space time continuum is
you know the the world is basically a
holographic universe they call it in
these documents the government documents
simulation i'm sure was that like are we
in a simulation
are we in a simulation i won't go as far
as calling it a simulation
but we are in something that we don't
have a word to explain
um i think that you know our thoughts
make our reality uh everything starts
with a thought
if you you want to do something you have
the ability to do it but you have to put
in the effort
and time to know how to do it but once
you do that
you know you can be a doctor you can be
a scientist you'll be anything you want
to be if
you know you tell yourself i'm going to
be this and then you work hard
at it you're going to be that and it's
all because you thought you could do it
um and and that's an over simplified
answer but it's really once you apply it
to things
it makes a lot of sense
okay all right well uh we're gonna go
ahead and go to the next caller uh if
you want i can uh
just put you on hold and maybe you can
join us back for another question here
after the next call is that cool
um you know maybe maybe in
another time you know it was really good
talking to you guys you know i hope to
talk to you guys again sometime soon
i'll still be watching the podcast it's
really entertaining
you know i'm actually i'm actually very
new to the podcast so it's
it's very good i got it through through
kill a priest that was on his podcast
with the spiders so i came over here but
i appreciate you man have a good day
for sure man thanks for hanging out
yes yes all right peace
all right uh we got a next caller from
the
eight five six area code
hey um how are you seven how are you
what up who's speaking with um this is
devin from new jersey
i join you recently and um in a retreat
down in alabama yeah
again i had the uh pleasure to uh
baptize you yes
yes it was amazing thanks again for all
that sure
so i just wanted to touch a little bit
on the sacred plants
um i'm a little bit nervous sorry
are you good i feel like they're
reaching out to the western world
through music
um and almost networking to the modern
world
and i'm sorry i'm really nervous give me
one second you're good
take your time um i'll take it from here
just for a moment to you you can catch
yourself uh
well i just went to a retreat recently
and something that's
becoming really big is they're hooking
these
um devices up that they got from italy
from
diamond her and they hooked up these
devices to a plant
and it like has it plays
music from the plant but that's really
interesting to even just go into
plants and music together and everyone's
just like enamored with it like
everybody's
talking about being able to like receive
healing that the plants want to
communicate with you
and healing through these tones and
frequencies and rhythms and stuff like
that so
that's really interesting there's a lot
of people they're even recording cds
with this stuff
like saying this is the song they
recorded ayahuasca like this is
ayahuasca's song
and it they play it back and it's really
interesting
yeah i almost feel like the plants are
evolving um
to be able to extend to to use for us um
because we've lost our way over here as
individuals
to be able to connect to each other to
nature to each other most importantly to
ourselves
so i feel like um you know through your
music
and a lot of other music you know
musicians um particularly your music
i feel like it's almost like a way for
the sacred plants to be able to network
um to the modern world over to the
western world to us
to be able to use and i feel like you
know your
you know your music helps bring forth
you know the plants because i'm telling
you when i listen to your music
and i use dmt it is such a connection to
christ
and to everything and i don't mean to
get overly emotional about this but it's
very emotional to me
um you know like i put on your playlist
the golden teachers
is first i've got solar boat this is my
go-to playlist by the way
um gateway to the sierra realm and inner
reaches of outer space
leaving my body the land of make-believe
um
and i am though those songs are so
powerful
and when you listen to them i mean you
know it's just a connected
you just you know you you start with
your intentions is very important you
know with dmt
but you know and and then you bring in
you know the
christ aspect of it you know when you
ask for christ to be with you and it
just
it's just the most powerful experience
and connected to god
and and everything that is holy to me
there's just there's no words to
describe it
i don't know about entities and things
like that you know i like to feel like
i'm being guided
um when i'm doing this you know taking
part in this but
i just wanted to reach out and just
thank you again once again for your
music and everything and everything that
you do
um for us seekers for sure
and uh and thanks for the the feedback
you know i know that it's uh it's
touching people on such a deep level
you know i get ministered to from my own
music i put it out and it feels like i
you know people talk about channeling
and stuff like
i'm able to benefit from my own music
like you know i listen to it and it
brings me into that place so um that's
awesome that
you know you get to share in in that and
it's more than just entertainment
it touches you on a very deep mystical
philosophical spiritual
level which is why it's creative so i'm
glad that it it does that and opens
those realms up for you and
creativity and you know imagination and
connectivity with
with all beings right to know how we're
connected with christ
but we're connected with each other
right we talk about that but we're also
connected with
the plants with the angels with the
demons
with the elementals right we're
connected with everything and so to know
who we are and our relationship with
that stuff and so
how the music promotes that and just
even
promoting exploration you know it's such
an honor to be able to facilitate that
but
thank you for the call devin sure thanks
nice talking to you good to hear from
you christy says hey i see her in chat
she says is that devin hey
and and happy birthday to christy i
think you said it was your birthday too
happy birthday to you for sure
um yeah man do uh you gotta check out
some of my music man
it's pretty good i actually heard
a couple of your songs so yeah i'm i'm
i'm into what i've heard so
yeah very good um and i've been vocal
about this lately but
like that music is special for a reason
like because it come out of like
pure intentions that come out of a place
of seeking of
of newness you know of having an
experience and then articulating it in
the beauty of a song and so
i'm working on new music now and people
and it's i'm scared that it's not going
to have the same
potency because i'm kind of years
removed from all of this being brand new
i know how to write a song i know how to
use those words but that's not it
like everything you know the planets you
know
has to have the line for that to be like
wow there's
a reason why that song touches you on
that
sort of level at least in my mind you
know what i'm saying there's a reason i
hold it in high regards and it's
you know i've been dealing with maybe a
sense of depression like i don't know if
i can recreate it you know what i'm
saying
but i don't think i've i've always like
kind of topped myself or i don't want to
force anything
so as a creator have you ever you ever
felt that way like not want like
writer's block or
not writer's block because you can
easily write a song but that's not
just you don't want to write another
song you know
i'm i'm going through that right now
actually um
my band is getting ready to record a new
album
and um going into this
i i was uh
not not in the right headspace to
to really get it done but i knew i
wanted to get an album out so
i agreed to you know get the album out
and i start you know writing the same
old kind of songs and it's not in me
anymore to do that kind of music
yeah not right now you have to be you
know i i could write that kind of music
all day long like you were just saying
but it's not
something i want to promote it's not
something that you know i want to
put out there not because it's not
quality for what it is i mean
for the kind of music it is it's it's it
works but
um it ties into what i was saying
earlier in a way
um you know i i'm a very heavily
censored person now on the internet i'm
a
i'm what they consider to be an
extremist because i believe in having
the family
and you know having a strong you know
strong sense of who you are and not
believing the nonsense basically you
know uh
i got kicked off the patreon kicked off
of youtube
kicked off of facebook multiple times
twitter multiple times
all because i talk about flat earth and
right now i'm talking about the uh
we'll call it the um the shot um how
that's not maybe the best idea for
a lot of people but i'm not going to go
into it right now unless you want to but
i don't want to
do anything i don't know what's going to
happen yeah
you got to play by the rules though like
i mean i've been kicked off of youtube
too you know what i'm saying
and uh but you come back it's like yeah
i gotta i got to use code words got to
make stuff up and i got friends i got
people who listen
to the show and and they keep creating
new channels and they keep
screenshotting every time they get
banned i was like
listen dude you got to find a way to
weave it in you got to find a way to
like
you got you got to you have to play by
their rules in a sense
or or kind of make your own rules up you
can't just like boom this
is it if you don't believe it f you
meant like there's a way to sprinkle it
in the conversation hey if you want to
know more
hit me up on facebook messenger join my
discord you know find other
platforms that aren't as censored where
we can kind of
have a no holds barred conversation not
on youtube
like we're gonna get you know all kinds
of stuff's gonna happen you know so
there's wisdom that comes with the
information and how to share it you know
so that's a big part of it too whether
it's sharing it through music
you know we can share it through music
you know yeah
one of the reasons i'm like okay well
we're already doing this album so
you know i i realize i don't have to
make it how i normally would i can
i can put some truth into these songs
and um
when i've realized that when you start
talking about this
oh just over the past few years um a lot
more people are receptive to it now
um because they're seeing it you know
eddie bravo had one of the best quotes
is we're no longer talking about
the coming new world order we are in the
new world order right now
and we are um so yeah i mean we have to
understand the world that we live in
when we do that we can sort of weave our
way through the
through the cracks of what's accepted on
these platforms and
like you said use them for sort of and
this is the hard part people don't like
to
to go to multiple places but uh you know
i can make all this music with all this
truth in it and it's not
really going to be it won't be promoted
necessarily by
by them but they're not going to take it
off because now i'm just an artist now
they're censoring art
you know as opposed to me having a
channel where i'm screaming about the
flat earth and
listing all these things and you know
that's that's great but then they can
easily just take that off or
those stupid little uh you know boxes at
the bottom of the thing flat earth is an
archaic
yeah blah blah blah i mean it's it's
it's censorship boxes but
it's not really censorship because we're
using their platform so you have to
use the rule it's so weird it's so weird
it's stupid but
you know they've they've they found a
way to take their power back you talk
about taking your power back because
of you know people were watching
and they still get the ratings but we
were all able to kind of share in that
like
i there were days i was early on youtube
i had
i had a podcast in 2010 you know and and
i put an episode out i get 30 40 000
views
like that the quality sucked there's no
video
it's just a thumbnail interesting topic
i guess
but 30 000 views boom wow that
i'm lucky if i get 300 on some of those
on youtube now
you know what i'm saying like there's
there's a lot of things i think that
have come into play
first of all they're not going to
promote in the algorithms promoting
long-form conversation
but some people you know get get those
numbers with
i guess just their audience um but i
think it just through the
the oversaturation of this stuff like
back then it was
all this was new at least on a radio
show or youtube and stuff like that i
was able to take advantage of the
algorithms and now it's
seems to um you know it
we're in a different game you know
things are changing so you got to find
out get in where you fit in i guess
it's very discouraging but it's part of
it especially with people getting their
life's work deleted off of youtube and
getting pulled and stuff like that that
stuff is
that's hard man that's a that's a blow
you got to be backing up your stuff
but i've had it happen and i try my best
to kind of like
you know just play by the rules i guess
like there's stuff that you're going to
learn
on in in my music that you know you're
not going to hear me if you
see me at the gas station i'm not going
to hey man you heard about the dmt elves
no you know what i'm saying like you get
my music
you're going to learn about it you
listen to the podcast we'll talk about
it
you come to a retreat we'll experience
it together
it's kind of how that works and so
there's different levels that in
different places where you meet people
that are acceptable i don't think it's
acceptable to run around at walmart
talking about the dmt elves and talking
about all right
yeah that's the lesson that you know uh
i think we all sort of learned too late
a lot of us
um you know when when you see these
things you want to tell everybody about
it because it's so
you know life-changing different than
what we're used to yeah but then they do
it and they think okay this guy's
probably used too much of it crazy yeah
and it happens
i mean it happened when i became a
christian i remember going to walmart
and getting
on the the loudspeaker dialing it up and
jesus loves you man he's coming back
soon and it was like going over the
loudspeaker i'm like yes i did i told
everybody about the lord
you know and like i wouldn't that'd be
silly to do now you know
um in the same day when somebody becomes
a vegan or whatever they tell everybody
and you just do silly things there's a
cause you have a zeal
there's a zeal time is short we gotta
tell everybody
god's coming back or whatever um we got
some more callers here
we're going to jump to the next caller
uh make sure that you mute the youtube
or whatever you're listening to us on
and just listen to us on the phone
um quick comment here christy says that
they took lok saints
album off of the platforms lochsan's a
friend of mine we do a lot of
similar style music spiritual esoteric
he does a lot more political stuff than
i do
but no they they took his album off
because he sampled he got
flagged for a sample they didn't take
him off because he uh
um you know said something that wasn't
supposed to be said
he used a sample in his song that was
from somebody else's
work and and i mean that happened to me
you know i had one of my i had a
beautiful song
called spirit awakening i received like
a year in to have an album up received a
cease and desist
from a music group from germany
where the dude who made the beat sampled
monks chanting
and the person who recorded those monks
chanting
i actually started gain getting revenue
from their audio
because it went through the algorithms
and said oh that belongs to true seeker
because he registered
this song and it picked it up and so
yeah there's a lot of it's all with
hip-hop it's always been that way
because hip-hop is
heavy sample laden like we even metal
death metal uses a lot of movie samples
and intros
my whole all my my discography is
littered with lectures and movies and
all kinds of stuff and it's
appropriate but you know they can pull
it
because unless you get you know the
proper clearance and
listen most indie artists don't you know
so anyway that's why his album was taken
off
i asked him he told me that but anyway
we'll jump to the next caller here
we got darren from the 772.
what's up
hey uh yeah i got uh can you hear me
okay
yeah brother how are you all right all
right
uh got two questions the best okay for
the guests
all right anthony um and i've been in
and out i've been jumping on and off so
i
forgive me if this is a question that's
already been answered but
so first question is um when it comes to
the flat earth
um because i know when it comes to like
a lot of conspiracy theories
conspiracy theories like a lot of people
and you know this like
you know psychology 101 you know
sometimes you know a lot of times people
okay i know something you don't know
they want to feel special or think that
they're
like more intelligent than everybody so
they'll be like contrary
and rebellious to like the mainstream
like
knowledge and so it's kind of like
they'll feed into like conspiracies like
that
uh what what would you say is the
difference when does it go too far
like or what i'll just ask this question
what is the point of
knowing the difference whether the earth
is flat around like what is the point of
even knowing that
does it affect our lives like our
everyday life
and so that's my first question next
question is
what psychedelics haven't you done
that you would like to try like have you
tried ayahuasca
i know there's many psychedelics out
there
uh which ones haven't you tried yet
and so those are my questions
thank you question um we'll we'll answer
the uh
i'm probably gonna have you repeat that
again but
the psychedelic question there's a lot i
haven't tried yet
i wouldn't mind trying actual ayahuasca
i haven't tried that i've just done the
dmt version
i understand that's a completely
separate
journey in itself um so i'm i'm
interested in that um
the um
peyote would probably be another one and
you know i'm in the area where it grows
naturally and you know we
i can literally go outside right now and
probably find some
um i'd sort of be interested in that as
well
as for the first question um
at what point does it become dangerous
would be
when you are being
forceful and attempting to you know
force other people to your mindset
and as far as you know
the second part of your question you're
gonna have to ask that again the uh the
first part of the
second part question
yeah i was asking like what is the point
of knowing the difference because
nobody's
proven you i mean it hasn't been proven
either way with this flat around it's
just like the age-old
debate but that's actually doesn't
matter if this but around like what's
the difference
yeah go ahead um it can be proven that
it's black
at least based upon the information we
have
on the official model however um
what what's the purpose of knowing it
that's sort of up to you and that's
where this differs from a lot of
conspiracies
is that um
first if the earth is a
globe like the italicity is
um then you're wrong
if you say it's flat and that's really
it
you're wrong um
and there's nothing wrong with being
wrong you can ask whatever questions and
come to whatever conclusion you like
but that's that's if you're if if you
can prove that it's round but no one's
ever been able to prove it's a ball and
it's round like that so in terms of it
being
dangerous that's why i was saying it
only matters
you know you're gonna start being
obnoxious
you know starting fights over and all of
that now in terms of
um you know what it doesn't matter it it
sort of matters to you
as a person so do you think that
um you know i don't know your your
mindset or you know any of that but
you know when you you realize that
things aren't what they tell us
why does it matter to you let's ask you
let me ask you why does it matter to you
versus like hey why does it matter to me
if what
what what's the price of rice in china
has nothing to do with me
why does it matter to you anthony uh to
me what it matters is
it doesn't matter what shape it is it
matters that they're lying to you
exactly
hey i just wrote that down the reason is
because we've been
lied to yeah that to me that's the
biggest thing because
the stuff that they tell you so they say
the earth is 24
900 901 miles around in circumference
they tell you um you know the radius to
the center of the earth even though
they've never been more than eight miles
um you know they they tell you these
things that are passed off as
fact and then we're we're told you know
you have to know this
you have to subscribe to this because
it's a fact we just
know but you know
they don't know and when you you look at
it none of it holds up to any kind of
experimentation
so the fact that they're lying about it
constantly and
and why they're lying you know
i'll leave that up to you but but why
does a criminal do anything they do and
it's not that they're wrong it has
nothing to do with uh you know i'm
smarter than you i figured something out
that you didn't
um these people for the most part
i think most of them know but they they
can't
they can't accept it because a lot of
these it's the same things with you
you're being scammed you know you you
fall for any kind of scam where you're
paying money to people
you're trusting somebody you're
defending it to other people
you know you're you're basically
attacking your
who you are to to this idea
and everyone around you is telling you
no that's not right there's these people
are scamming you
and sure enough you know comes out later
on you've been scammed
you're going to feel like an idiot so
you don't want to really even discuss it
or look into it so you just go with
what's being told to you
um and then a lot of a lot of this
we're not taught anything in school like
how to really even do these experiments
you know when i first got into this i
i didn't know how to check anything for
myself
you know i'm watching these videos like
okay this sounds right
and it it sounds like it makes sense to
you but
you know how can i test this for myself
and and see
and that's really what you have to do to
in order to if
you care about um you know your life how
it is right now and you're living a
great life and you don't think you need
anything
to center you or anything then
i think you're missing out that's my
opinion but
if you're doing well in life then you
know you found a way to to do what's
well for you
um i think you could do better
you know i was doing well you know i had
uh
before before i i i'm retired
i'm retired so i just do music i just
run my label right now
and basically i do nothing but research
conspiracies that i'm interested in
because it makes
it makes sense to me i've always had an
analytical mind i like knowing how
things work
and and why it's happening um
is so that's me so i i find enjoyment
reading these globalist documents and
reading these books and
you know seeing these people say these
things for themselves
um you know that's that's how i am
before i i got into all this though i
worked in the corporate world i went to
law school
i have several degrees from you know
college
you know i i did not have time to do any
of this stuff because i
was living my life what i thought the
life you know you're supposed to live
you're supposed to
advance and do these things um
when things became obvious to me um
you know i liked my job i i liked
you know the life i was i had i was
making
really really good money um to where i
was
beyond comfortable um
all that changed for me though because
it you sort of
you sort of see what's happening you see
what's being told to us
right now and we're not going to get
into it we just said that but
what's going on in the current state of
the world today
um most people are scared of this thing
that's going around and they're
wearing masks and not going to see their
family when they're sick or dying and
you know just in general not being
around people um
yeah again look they say trust the
science first science doesn't need to be
trusted it's
it's there to be verified it doesn't
prove things one way or another
anything saying that it's a proof or you
know because of science i can prove this
um that's basically pseudoscience
because you always have to test your
your things science is never settled so
you know i i i believe in the flat earth
i i have information
that i've tested myself that does not
match the information that was given
to me by the powers that be by the
accepted model and you can verify
yourself the accepted model is not
correct
um so you have to ask
are these people just wrong or are you
they lying to you and
when you realize that they're lying to
you intentionally they're keeping you on
a a they basically put you in a prison a
ball is a prison you can't get away from
it
um you're doing all these things listen
to people you're getting
you know cotton swabs up your butt to
see if you have a respiratory illness
which makes no sense
but people are doing it all because they
want to go
on an airplane or go to a baseball game
or you know whatever
um when when you see the deceptions of
the world
you open your eyes and think okay well
if they're lying about this what else
are they lying about
um right it's it's
we're all we're all high trust
individuals we're high trust people
um that's that's sort of human nature we
all want
you know we project our goodness on
others um
so i don't think it's dangerous if
you're approaching at it as a
i'm looking for truth and now i'm going
to live my life according to that
to the truth i uncover now if
later on i find out that i'm wrong about
i'll gladly say i'm wrong and the earth
is the globe and
you know i i had questions but now that
i have the correct information
um you know i you have to you have to
constantly
test what what you're doing and test
your models
you know it's an idea everything you can
do
every every scientific experiment that's
ever been done
has shown that the earth does not move
and that it's not a globe
they don't tell you that and they they
use these things as
proof of the globe so when someone will
say oh what about you know this or that
most of the time i kind of chuckle
because when you get down to it
you've already proven flat earth by your
your question
you just don't know it because you've
been lied to
and it because they're lying
you can't trust anything that they tell
you you know
if i if if you know me and i'm
constantly lying to you
and then one day i come and say oh by
the way we're about all you know we're
all getting ready to
to die there's going to be a bomb that
goes off
and everyone in this town is going to
die you laugh at me right in my face and
you wouldn't believe a word i say
so when you can go back you know
literally hundreds of years
and you can see these people constantly
lie to you these people are teaching the
generation that comes after them these
are the people that are writing the
books the next generation uses to
you know move on with you know their
version of reality
um
you just connect the dots you see that
it's a lie so i think it's more
dangerous
to blindly just accept things and go
along with it than
you in your mind that you know you're
given to objectively look at something
that's a long answer
and that's what you know that's what
religion and everything everything
d you know or any conspiracy that
literally applies for everything you
you uh there's the quote that
you uh you trust people but you count
your change
so you know uh right is that for what it
is but
you can always trust someone it's easy
to trust you know i could i can come on
here and tell you i'm a doctor
i can tell you i'm a multi-millionaire
and if i
act the part or i have some some things
you you think
associates with that you'll believe that
check out this credential
exactly you know you you can you can do
anything you can say whatever you want
but
when you actually test it you know i'm
not a doctor i'm not a multi-millionaire
i may have a suit i may have a business
i may own you know a bunch of stuff but
you know i i don't
uh i don't have millions of dollars
laying around
um and that's what you can do you can
either accept it
oh this guy is this or that he told me
this okay i'm accepting it because
you know why would he lie or you could
say okay this guy told me something it's
interesting to look into it myself and
uh oh what i'm getting doesn't match up
you know that right there will tell you
that it's uh
if you're getting different results then
you're doing
either somebody's not doing the test
correctly or they're not doing it at all
that's that's what i'm saying so
a lot of these scientists that we think
have figured things out
they don't look at previous work they
take the previous work and they
you know i'll just use einstein for
example they'll say
oh relativity okay he figured out
relativity
so now let's expand on relativity we
won't we won't
go to the foundation and why he could be
wrong
we're just going to build it up because
it's already settled science we know
it's relativity
and you know we don't know it's a theory
and it's one that you can test and it
doesn't stand up to
testing does that mean that it's wrong
not necessarily because maybe there's
some a factor we don't know yet
but for the factors we have it's wrong
information
tested repeated by science
and it does not hold up to the
scientific method so because of that
based on the information we currently
have we can speculate it's not what
they're saying
that's it um yeah i just i just
if i can i just want to add this and i'm
going to get off um
but the reason i asked because some like
that this isn't the first time i've
heard i mean i have a friend who who
wholeheartedly believes in the flat
earth
and i always uh give you know challenge
that because uh there's kind of like
some things that are like common
sensical because it's like
okay well why but you kind of addressed
it but
i've always thought well why would this
be allowed to go on for
so many years and everybody's in on it
like
everybody around the world has been on
it i want everything
uh just in recent times like literally a
couple weeks
dogecoin dogecoin
is a or dodge coin i think storage coin
is a
a cryptocurrency that elon musk created
as a joke
but now it's one it's it's rapidly
increasing and it has value and
everybody's putting money
and invested in it he created it as a
joke
he didn't know it would turn into what
it what it did
and so i'm sure a lot of this stuff is
like listen we started this
as a guest as a joke
and now it's turned into philosophies
that are being taught
and agreed upon sciences that could have
started out as a joke because in like
let's just say 100 years passes
dogecoin's still here you know but it's
conception was a joke he didn't mean to
do it it didn't think it would
would pick up and people would take it
take him seriously but they did
and it's just it's just a quick analogy
right
right but what do you make of the uh all
the astro projectors and even all of the
people
like the christians uh mary kay baxter
and a lot of people who have
so many people who have given like
testimonies you know and
and of them going above the earth you
know jesse duplantis you know
all of these all of these people who
have you know been out of their body or
claim they've been out of their body met
god i don't know
i don't you know i doubt that they would
i don't know why they would uh
like be so uh like so brave you know
that brave to like lie
makes up such an elaborate lie on god uh
knowing that what could happen to them
you know by doing that but uh
like they look back and see the globe
you know the earth in the globe astral
projectors
uh so many thousands of people all over
the world have been out of their bodies
and seen the round earth and seen the
other planets and so uh what do you make
of that
and uh and with that i'll check out
thank you sure um
i'll say this uh the good reverend jesse
duplantis
he also told pete his followers that you
know he has a 37 million dollar plane
the lord wants him to have a 40 million
dollar plane so
um why is he telling people that i'm
sure the lord doesn't care
you know what kind of air travel he
takes
um so i don't i don't take people like
that seriously
um as far as astra projecting
100 real you can astral project sure um
but again if you're lied to about
something and you think something is a
certain way
and that's your world view and you don't
have any reason to believe otherwise
that's what you're going to see
christians a lot of them are
apprehensive to it so you think
but the bible is a flatter book the
quran
is a flattered book every religious text
essentially is a flat earth book
now we'll just stick to the bible
there's over 200 passages saying
that the earth is stationary and
immovable
and you know basically flat um
i don't use the bible as a as a evidence
or proof of anything because at the end
of the day it's a book and i don't know
who wrote it or who put the
stories together and i have ideas and it
doesn't look good
um by what you can learn about the
people involved
so in terms of you know what they say i
think a lot of it is a
a world view that they think they don't
have any other
reasons to believe otherwise so they see
it as
as that um yeah yeah
those same people um we're just saying
how information
or agreed upon scenarios change like
those same people like christians
um or they say they go to hell like
they've been to hell
like you know the hell is this place and
they've astral traveled to hell
and they've seen the souls crying
they're ministering to demons trying to
convert demons back into the light
weird scenarios right so they so the
hell is this constant place that they
travel to
some of these same people they write
books on it 23 minutes in hell and
all kind of stuff and um but now
a even in christendom there's this
growing belief
just even through the scriptures and old
testament that hell
doesn't exist and has never existed this
eternal
place of punishment and so if someone
would say yes it does
because i've been there i think there's
a difference when it when
when you're going there in here
now if you died and you was clinically
dead a lot of them people say that they
did and that's how they went to hell
they died went to hell and came back i
don't want to spend eternity let me get
my life right
um but it's subjective if you live in a
life of
you know debauchery
and you're about to die and that dmt is
released
and you have the psychedelic experience
and all the people that you hurt
and all the people that you've lied to
and stolen from
and people you've molested and all this
baggage you've
you've been carrying comes to greet you
when you don't have the ego to hold it
back or to
tell yourself a different scenario when
it comes at once listen
that's what happens when when you go
into these trips whatever you've been
suppressing you got to deal with
whatever you've been acting like is is
doesn't harm you or your depression and
all that you got to deal with it
you're going to have to deal with the
roots of your depression that's why it's
that's why it's curing people's
depression
to go in on a you know five gram or more
experience of psilocybin or dmt or
ayahuasca
you know fear of death is gone why
because i died i stared the grim reaper
in the eyes and lived
to tell about it you know what i'm
saying and so and i'm back
um i've been to realms that you go to
when you die am i scared no because i'm
now i know what it looks like
and you know what it feels familiar it
feels like i've been here before before
i
i incarnated here on the earth so
there's these different levels man that
that people are experiencing and so
is it the imagination did they really go
to hell
or did they really leave the earth and
look down at the earth
and see it you don't know
they don't have no proof did they come
back with a handful of stardust you know
what i'm saying did they come back with
secret technology on how to do it i'm
real i'm big on it trust me i love it
but
i like the stuff that you like it says
provable
stuff that we can prove if somebody
comes to you and says hey man i just
i talked about on the last podcast i can
see in the spirit man you got three
angels around you right now bro you
might not believe it but there's three
angels
on you i trust we we run in circles
where people
talk that's normal um
i wanna i wanna be with the dude who can
summon them
and they show up like those people exist
you know they they literally step in
you know or a demon you know when it
comes to summoning the demons maybe
that's easier and so people take that
route
because they want proof they want to
know that that realm exists exist
that was my problem you know i took the
easy route because i lived a life of sin
and robbing people
robbing people and stealing and gang
activity and drug use and all of this
kind of stuff like negative
drugs not medicine or abusing medicine
which becomes a drug
and you i feel like when you tap in you
get to see that those entities or
vibrational beings that you're
entertaining
because of the life that you're living
and maybe it is a scary
experience that hey i need to change my
life i need to get right maybe that
person goes into deep meditation and
they look around and see monsters
and it's uncomfortable hey this is hell
like jesus
these are the beings that i'm
entertaining when i'm stealing these
church people's money
when i'm robbing widows and orphans you
know and i got to see what it's like so
yeah i need to
i need to change my life and tell as
many people to get themselves together
but all of that's going on within your
psyche within your soul
so to say that they left their body and
looked at the earth
you know i'm sure there's people who
have i but i'm not gonna take your word
for it
you know
yeah i would agree with that completely
and you know what is hell
you know i i believe different
dimensions so is hell a dimension maybe
is is there something that we think of
hell like
sure um i don't recall hell being
mentioned in the bible
um so so i don't i don't believe in hell
personally
um you know satan is just the adversary
when you
you look at what that is you know the
adversary of god
uh satan was you know lucifer is an
angel um you know angels trick you
same thing these these deities do so um
you know you you have to you have to
sort of
it depends on your world view it's a
long answer convoluted answer but
depends on what your world view is and
what you think are possible um you know
one of the the things i did you know
with the dmt very first time
um i made contact and
i asked them straight away i said is the
earth flat
or is it the globe we think it is and
this is before i had made up my mind
about anything i was i was going through
my journey at the time
and they ushered me
they laughed at me first of all then
they ushered me to this
the best way to describe is like a
hamster wheel type of thing
and they put me in it and then they
started uh they pulled this rope really
tight and they started spinning it
around in a circle and they started
laughing
and yelling at me you're going a
thousand miles an hour
and then they pulled it to a complete
stop and they said
now you're standing on a flat earth what
feels real to you
and you can't argue that you know you're
you're not spinning
you would know um and this is
again learn good learning how sound
works
you can verify that what they tell us
about the earth is not real
well there is they've they've got to
test uh that where everyone can tell if
the earth is
spinning you can actually feel it
there's a test you drink a whole bunch
of
vodka and you lay on your bed and then
when you do that you can feel the whole
place spinning
[Laughter]
yeah somebody asked me once so what
happens if you lay down on the grass you
can
you can see the earth's bed i'm like no
you just see things move above you
but it's yeah it's it's it's a fun thing
but
when you understand how sound works
we'll get to that later
but to answer your question it is it is
uh you know that
you can you can you can leave your body
with meditation with yoga
you can astral project i 100
into all that stuff um in terms of where
you're going you know when
when you blast off on these substances
sometimes
you see space you see planets you see
everything
and when you bring that up to whoever
these entities are you
you mentioned uh sometimes they present
themselves as aliens sometimes they'll
be a cat
sometimes they'll be things you can't
describe um
and you tell them i know that's not
really you show me who you really are
and a lot of times they'll shape shift
right in front of you
and that just goes to show you that you
can't trust what you're saying
and you shouldn't trust your senses
necessarily but at the same time
the sense you should be trusting is
common sense i mean it doesn't make
sense
that we would be spinning it all in four
different speeds and directions at once
and never feel it and have perfectly
calm
lakes and you know we can stack
you know paper thin objects on each
other and they don't move at all
um so yeah to answer the question i
i don't i don't buy it so that's the
easiest way to say it um
i believe in their mind they saw it but
i you they're not
you can't use that as as doctrine proof
and like you know what i'm saying yeah
you can look at it
there's some you know there's some
weight to it it's heavy it's deep
information
um but this and it's just like channeled
material you know i
channeled this being that get told me
this this this this and this and
and then we find out that you've been
studying this on project
uh avalon message boards for years and
now you're coming out with the
information saying that you got it from
an
entity and this is i'm somebody did that
but uh
yeah you know what i'm saying and so
listen if it makes sense to you and it
helps your journey and you want to look
into it for sure do it i mean
um there's some interesting things that
that come
you know with uh with meditation and
astral travel
for me again when we talk about leaving
your body i talk i romanticize that
stuff in my music
you know but it's not it's not really i
don't i even talk about it like
leaving and stuff but it's really a
journey within
you go within to get without like when
you meditate
you're going in and that the kingdom of
heaven is within
right and you're able to access whatever
realms that exist not by
trying to make yourself leave your body
although it's how some people prefer to
do it but i really believe that you go
within to do it
to go within uh to get without so
i would i completely agree with that
well
um one last question here uh seeing the
chat people want to know what band
you're in we talked about your music
and working on a new album what's the
name of your band and where people can
find out about your work man
sure my name uh band name is vorzug
v-o-r-z-u-g
uh a website is vorzug.info that takes
you right to the amazon
page uh my
record label is called apollyon music
you can go to apolly the
apollyongroup.bandcamp.com for
my releases that i have there with other
bands too
um now here's the thing though i'm not
pushing my music i'm not selling it
if you guys want to go and listen to it
by all means do it it's free on youtube
you can go and do that too
um you know just type in vorzug
um you know i i i do this to to promote
the music sure promote
you know what i'm doing but this is this
is more of a thing for i want people to
realize that
everyone has more options so you know if
if you don't want to associate
commerce with this don't don't go and
look at my music don't
look at any of the stuff i'm saying
other than what i'm i'm saying
look into what i'm saying if it
interests you don't believe what i'm
saying
look into it yourself um you can you can
find easy ways
you know i'll give real quick the
everything is going to take work you put
out what you
you get you get back what you put out so
you know uh you can believe that the
earth is round or flat
or you can go and do a test anyone can
do it
um there is curvature
to the earth according to the mainstream
model and science which means there is a
curvature
formula um we didn't make this up this
is
the pythagorean theorem allegedly going
back
thousands of years to the ancient greece
um
you know it the the the formula is
eight inches per mile squared or you'll
hear it eight inches per mile per
mile now over
long distances that does not make a
sphere
that makes a parabola
i understand this again this isn't my
math this isn't my model this is the
model that nasa uses and everything else
you can go to their website nasa's
website and it tells you
the the formula for earth it tells you
all the numbers you need
therefore you would have to have a
curvature
if the earth were a ball you can
literally never see curvature um
naked eye zoom in cameras
uh infrared cameras you will never see
that curvature
again that's not why you get um
you know we can go about 130 000 feet up
amateurs you and i we can get balloons
that can
have a ceiling about 130 000 feet
after that the balloons will pop but
when you go up there and you're not
using a fisheye lens it is a perfectly
level flat horizon um
felix baumgardt gardner the red bull
jump guy he used a fisheye lens on the
outside on the inside of the capsule it
was not a fisheye lens you can see a
perfectly level
horizon on the inside of the capsule
nasa
constantly uses fisheye lenses i don't
think that they're up there to begin
with
there's real videos that you can see for
yourself there's
if you don't want to trust videos look
at what they tell you
you know you can pull up a video from
the nasa website that's there
um trial by fire orion i believe it's
called
they talk about how they have never been
outside of low earth orbit
they talk about how we can't get outside
of low earth orbit we talk about
van allen radiation belts being deadly
and they're super deadly
yet during the late 60s and 70s we sent
six missions to the moon and you know
they all went through these belts and
uh the moon's not in low earth orbit but
they completely forget about that
um they they just tell you
that no we can't do it you know
they they lost the the technology to get
to the moon now they lost the trajectory
they had like 14 000 reels of film that
they can't find
and eventually it just you have to ask
yourself why
is that um
i know this isn't the question you asked
about the music it's just it's one of
those things we're trying to get it all
in real quick
um you just have to realize that things
are not what we're told
it's it's essentially a lie you can
verify it yourself
uh we can see too far get a
zoom in camera if you go to a calm lake
um or even the ocean uh you
if you're you know roughly around six
feet tall you should see about three
miles out before
the earth curves you can see miles
beyond that
that right there is proof that there is
no curvature um
when i was getting into the sound thing
real quick if you understand how sonic
booms work
and the speed of sound they tell you
any object including the earth will make
a sonic boom going
through that going at that speed um
the reason why the earth doesn't make a
sonic boom they say is because it's
too too big to make one that doesn't
make any sense
um there are laws that you can't get
around
sound is one of those laws if you you
understand how it works so
real easy you can take a drone they say
that
the atmosphere spins with the earth
therefore the drone that you launch is
already going
at whatever speed you're going at that
you know
line of latitude that you're at
and as long as you're over going faster
than the speed of sound
if you move that drone either direction
it would technically make a sonic boom
because it's already going over the
700 and something miles per hour that
you need to have for sound
um that doesn't happen no matter how
low or high you get that you know a
helicopter they say again the
the earth or the atmosphere spins with
the earth
if you take a helicopter and you're
hovering it
um you don't go anywhere you can fire
a gun straight up in the air you know
how fast it comes at the bullet will
come out
it goes something around 1200 feet per
second
on the low end on these higher caliber
you know
rifles and stuff you can get you know a
lot higher
you can literally shoot it straight up
in the air walk away for a little bit
you have about 30 seconds before it
comes down
and it's not going to go
you know miles away it's going to land
right where you shot it at essentially
within you know 100 feet typically
if the earth were moving that would not
happen
um again sonic boom shoot a gun
that's a sonic boom you hear it that
bullet's flying up at 1200
feet per second that faster than the
speed of sound you don't
you you hear a sonic boom the whole time
it's going at that speed
so if you shoot one straight in the air
it's going straight up
you would hear it coming down you don't
hear it the sound constantly coming down
that moving through the air it's hard to
to grasp the concept
you have to know how sound works but
once you do that
you realize there is no there is no uh
it's it's not real there is no curvature
there is no spin
same thing with the iss you can you know
they
release footage all the time of noise
and space
if there's no medium no atmosphere no
air
for sound waves to travel it will not
make a sound so
it doesn't matter if you're standing
right next to where your engine's at
if there's no atmosphere you will not
hear that engine make a sound
in all of their footage you can hear
outside sounds
constantly you do under spacewalk
footage you hear things all the time
um you see bubbles in space they
the astronauts will claim they're not
bubbles they're you know flecks of paint
remember they're going at 17 500 miles
per hour from what they say
so if that's true a fleck of paint
hitting you at that speed
will destroy you if you're a person it
will destroy a space suit
it will destroy a satellite it will
destroy a spacecraft
and these are you know metal objects
but these bubbles in space that are
clearly bubbles they're going
out from underneath them you know it's
hitting their helmet
it's hitting their suit if that was a
real thing moving at that speed
it would completely kill that astronaut
um
that's that's again that's that's the
law of physics that you cannot get
around certain things
um you know the boiling a point of water
you can't get around the boiling point
of water
that's going to happen no matter what
but you know space will tell you that
even if it's cold it's going to boil
because there's no pressure and it's a
vacuum
and if you have no air then water will
boil that's true you can do it for
yourself
but here they are in the iss
drinking things constantly and brushing
their teeth and
you know it's all cgi it's all fake
and you can just see it for yourself um
but you have to have the mental
capability of realizing okay these
people may be lying to us let's look and
do it let's look at what they're saying
and very clearly you can disprove what
they're saying uh just with common sense
yeah see i'm gonna i'm on the other side
i don't believe anything they say
anymore because i know they lie so they
can't tell me the truth like you said
like if you had a friend
and we know those people like i know
people who i remember
remember this one guy we call them
pathological liars
and the one guy was like uh every time i
remember one
dude introduced himself to a stranger
that we met out
at the mall and he's like he told him he
had his own
business he told him he was uh he had
his own shrimp business
and he he sold trump like you ain't got
a dollar to your name telling me he's
like yeah yeah
here's my number take my number i sell
shrimp on the side it's like
bro it's weird another guy he would
always lie we talk about watching movies
we was trying to find a movie to watch
and he was like
you already seen that movie man i don't
watch it i remember it was funny because
it was the movie left behind the
christian
movie years ago i was like he's like
yeah i don't want to watch that man i
was like bro come over to the house we
got a bunch of people come over we're
going to watch it
at the church he said no i don't want to
watch it man i already seen it
i said well what's it about said people
getting left behind
he was lying it just came out you know
and uh
you just had those people who lie so
when it's time for them to tell the
truth i mean such is the
the parable of the boy who cried wolf
they get lied all the time live that's
that live so
it's time to time to tell the truth
nobody's gonna believe you because
you've been lying
to us this whole time you know yeah
i you when when you're lied to
constantly
it's obvious you're being lied to when
you hear the truth it
will always resonate with you and i
think that's
a lot of people don't think of that
because they're they're not told to
to go based on your your gut feelings
they're saying oh you could be wrong
blah blah blah
but when you hear something and you know
it's true it makes sense to you and it
will stay with you no matter what
yep so it's just one of those things
it's it's
well anthony we've gone we've gone over
almost two and a half hours on this
topic yeah sorry
it's a good good subject matter i know
we can keep have to do it again bro
um people are asking one more time go
ahead and spell your band name even
though you're not trying to plug it
people are
they want to know how to look it up and
uh so just spell that one more time
before we jump off here
sure it is v o r z
u g that is vorzug
dot info takes you straight to the
amazon page
so if you do decide to buy you're buying
from amazon
that's its own thing um but people trust
amazon for
some reason so that's why we did that i
prefer not to sell on amazon but that's
me
uh so that's vorzug and apollyon music
are my
record labels and i would love to come
back on we'll actually talk about law
and all that stuff later and
get into the real stuff because this is
just scratching the surface once you
realize that
they're lying about this and they're
lying about everything else you
can sort of start realizing um i will
say this to
the the viewers and listeners read the
constitution
um has nothing to do with flat earth
but you know read the constitution it's
a document that
actually does not apply to us but
because we have it and they say it
applies to us it does
so use that to your benefit when you
read the us code they tell you in the us
code
that basically they're acting as body
politic
color of law um look at black's legal
dictionary that's that's the real
the real dictionary we have we have
slang we have the king's english that
everyone knows the definitions to
then there's legalese and that's in
black's law and cornell law dictionaries
that's the dictionary they use so to
leave this
if you don't know uh if you're driving
and you get pulled over and they're
asking you you're not driving you're
traveling
know the difference driving means you're
engaged in commerce
if somebody asks you do you understand
something tell them no you do not
understand it you comprehend it
but you don't understand it
understanding it means that you're
standing under it
which means you're giving somebody your
jurisdiction
you know you don't want to tell anybody
you're an individual individual means
you're
a [Â __Â ] and a child you don't want to
tell anybody you're a person
because a person can mean a fictitious
business
um you're a man or a woman that's how
you refer to yourself
we were created by god
or the creator whatever you want to call
it doesn't have to be a religious thing
um man made government
government made courts and then under
that you have
taxpayers you have citizens you have
whatever else you want to be called
anything other than man or woman
who is known by whatever your name is
the other thing is your name is in all
caps for a reason
investigate that means um
it's not the most important thing but
it's pretty important when you when you
see what that means
um so anytime you get a summons with an
all caps name that's not you
um bill's in your name you should always
pay your bills i'm not saying not to
if you agree to do it you should do it
however you don't uh
yeah you you you don't have to when you
realize
this but we're getting all that stuff
another time thank you for having me on
yeah pretty much we can end it with this
excuse me everyone i have a brief
announcement to make
jesus was black ronald reagan was the
devil and the government is lying about
9 11.
thank you for your time and good night
ladies and gentlemen thanks for coming
on brother really enjoyed it we'll have
to do it again man
any blessings for you enjoyed it man
we'll do it again
peace peace anthony hoyes ladies and
gentlemen check out his band
good stuff good stuff uh enjoyed it
enjoyed the callers
we had some some great uh callers call
in
and uh added to the conversation i'm
glad we're able to do that now
taking callers again which is always fun
nobody's called up cursing and screaming
yet and maybe when they do we'll stop
taking callers i don't know
it's one thing we always have to worry
about people calling without a call
screener again
trying to pull up the chat here one last
time
see if anybody said anything good i've
been paying attention to the chat as
well
um a bunch of really cool stuff shout
out to everybody hanging out with us
metro says i love the boondocks thanks
for calling in metro enjoy
enjoyed your questions too uh you two d
and devin
as well um uh metro says my man
screaming his heart out the good old
flat earth yep
yep yep again just about being lied to
again
like if you know somebody's if they're
willing to lie to you about
anything that is like the agreed upon
narrative anything
you know for me my big thing is is nasa
and
ufos and all of that kind of stuff like
they
they have to know have to know the
vatican they have to know
about this stuff so it's like
people are doing independent research
and like he said it's not lining up to
the narrative somebody's wrong
or maybe both are right at the same time
that's interesting or they know that
they're
lying to you why can't you question it
you're not supposed to question the
stuff um and drock says
i think whoever can prove this should be
rich and famous because they would
be like christopher columbus of space i
just don't understand why this
isn't bigger news if it's true
that that's essentially saying that you
believe whatever is the big story
whatever is the big scoop because it's
getting coverage
you know so any the thing about the
conspiracies is not none of the
conspiracies get get coverage
none of them none of them get coverage
only
their narrative and so you already know
that whatever
is being covered i mean you've seen
those videos of all of the news
news stations get sent the same script
and they they all report on the same
thing the only thing that you get that's
original
is your local news the rest of that they
they
literally read and reiterate the same
scripts
national news world news only thing you
get is the local stuff
to make it seem like it's personal and
to get somebody from the area to speak
to you so you fee
so you resonate with it like it's truth
whether that's
what's on the news or television or
actors or whatever the case is
so but yeah you got to do your own
research and it's different things for
different people again
like what does it mean to you for flat
earth what does it mean
to you for for nasa or
you know 9 11 or whatever conspiracy or
religion you know a lot of
everybody comes into this from different
perspectives you know alex jones got a
lot of people into it
and most people abandon alex jones but
they do give credit cause like yeah i
started
because his stuff was readily available
not anymore
not anymore alex jones wouldn't have
been a threat you know if he didn't have
a different narrative
somebody believed this narrative
johann says i remember sid roth it's
supernatural segment on the vatican's
astro observatory lab
look up the actual name yeah lucifer
lucifer is the name of the uh
observatory
i think rightfully so i think the
vatican knows the true
name of of of lucifer or
say the true meaning of that word so
that that word is not
satan or the devil lucifer is something
totally different it's actually
venus if you look up that dictionary
and uh look up what what venus means in
the name of venus
or you look up lucifer it'll tell you
that they are
one and the same and how Isaiah 14
mentions lucifer
and it's not talking about the devil
it's actually used as an
analogy for a man but the analogy comes
from
venus being the bright and morning star
that
is kicked out of the heavens when the
sun rises
and the brightest stars put to shame
like oh yeah you thought you were hot
stuff
until my daddy comes
until the rising of the sun which is
symbolic
for christ for the dawn of a new day
listen a lot of these
a lot of these uh metaphors and
terminology is interchangeable
so whatever it takes people are
different
again religion you know you find out
there's holes in religion you find out
there's holes in
heliocentric and flat earth and or
nasa or whatever you know and they say
that's not real and then you have these
these people that they put out bill nye
and and um
the other guy just uh forgot his name
but they put these people out
you know and they don't they won't i
would like to see those people
debate like a real flat earther
you'll see documentaries but they got
these random random people on nobody
who's actually done the research done
the science have actually sat down and
had conversations
like why would you even fear the
conversation well they think that even
just having the conversation
is elementary and it's not even
questionable
there's a lot of people that believe it
people are reaching out to a lot of
people
so um it's
and it's getting bigger i don't think
it's going anywhere i'm sure like
one of the biggest shows i've done in a
long long time was was the flat earth
episode like
that i don't think that's because of his
audience or whatever but that that
video podcast episode has way more views
than
a bunch of my videos put together so
that's interesting people want it you
know got to give the people what they
want i guess
let us know what you want to hear about
you know i'm always open for uh
looking for new guests and and looking
for stuff to talk about i don't really
personally like you know
jumping in on flat earth and
staying on that but hey every now and
then i think we've done two this would
be three i guess if this was a this is
pretty much a flat earth episode
um so this would be three so i think
there's three episodes out of 400 and
something
um that are about episodes i mean about
flat earth so
yep but with that with that said i'm
saying peace and shalom if you want to
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