Benjamin Decker | Christ Meditations and Comparative Spirituality | TruthSeekah Podcast
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welcoming my guest today mr benjamin
decker benjamin welcome to the truth
seeker podcast bro how are you
i'm fantastic thanks so much for having
me we're going to talk about it all man
mindfulness meditation
spirituality christianity jesus christ
consciousness all of the good stuff man
and into a lot of the same things man
i've been checking out some of your
interviews and some of your work and
your books are amazing so it's gonna be
a good talk i already know
yeah yeah i've been checking your stuff
out too and even just hearing right now
the retreats
and the programs and stuff that you got
going on really cool
really cool yeah heck yeah heck yeah so
uh man this is uh
instead of me um giving you an
introduction just kind of give a brief
intro who you are what you do if you can
sum it up i don't know if you can
because
if you're like me you do you wear a lot
of hats yeah who are you man what'd you
bring to the table let's start there
yeah yeah i think uh you know i think
the the
so many people everyone who's gonna ever
hear this
is a multi-dimensional person you know
uh we're multi-dimensionals we're born
into this
this this interesting world so i think
all of us have a lot of different sides
to us
i'm a meditation teacher and an author
those are the big things
i do a lot of work in social justice
racial justice gender equality climate
action
um ending poverty anti-human trafficking
that's that takes up a lot of my time uh
which i love
greatest thing in the world and uh also
uh
raised in a christian household not just
any regular christian i was actually
a direct descendant of the founding
families of the mormon church the church
of jesus christ of latter-day saints
so so raised in a very esoteric
christian
tradition a lot of people don't know
that the mormon church
of course it's not really called that
that's the nickname for it because of
the book of mormon but
uh the churches was founded was the
church was founded by a bunch of
freemason men so
the a lot of what's in that tradition's
upbringing
and training is actually a cult
freemason
egyptian ritual and ceremony so that
that introduced me to
what i did not realize was a very
esoteric kind of christianity because
you just think you're christian
we just thought we were chris and
and my whole family still practicing
huge prominent members
of that community and i became a
meditation teacher
hypnotherapist uh reiki
and prana killing chi gong practitioner
tai chi practitioner
um plant-based nutrition
love the bible i i practice and study
something called
cleric collaborative
religion so instead of comparative
religion collaborative religion
um i believe that god's actually real
the universe actually does have
divine higher energies and forces within
it
and that they all go by a bunch of
different names
and so i love to study all the different
traditions so i've written four books
uh practical meditation for beginners
the first one second one meditations on
christ which i would love to talk to you
about
and third one daily mindfulness which is
365
practices and the fourth one which just
came out is modern spirituality
awesome and all those books for
everybody uh those are available on your
website and
amazon.com correct yep and barnes noble
anywhere so you find yourself at a
bookstore
tell them my name they got something oh
yeah uh i went i went to your website
man you got all the heavy hitters
vouching for your work man that's huge
that's been such a blessing you know
it's like
uh they say uh when they say that these
are the things that are
ideas whose time have come there's
nothing more powerful than an idea
whose time has come and i think like
you're
you're a truth seeker i'm a true speaker
you know i'm only just saying true
things you know and so
truth hits yeah um there's something
about that like everybody like all my
christian friends because you know i
started out as a christian rapper doing
christian hip-hop back in the day i love
it just telling my story and going to
speak at these youth retreats and stuff
like that and uh people are like
you know you know jesus is the truth and
you supposedly have found the truth why
are you still looking for it it's like
you know they try to use that as a dig
or whatever but it's like truth about
what like
to what in like you know the longing of
the truth
behind ufos or truth behind plant
medicines or the truth behind
reality or manifestation or healing like
come on like it's it's it's a lot bigger
than we've been
told and that's part of being the seeker
right as one who's just
constantly seeking the truth and not
taking somebody's word for it so
for you man um starting out like what
got you into this
obviously with the mormon background and
just this esoteric
symbology and stuff like that that once
you start looking into it you're like oh
okay this is a lot deeper than
than we've been told and not everybody
looks into it so
did you ever have any supernatural
experiences when you're a kid or
have those weird dreams and situations
going on in the middle of the night
you know i i want to just address first
of all
yes and i'm so glad you asked that
question
i i just want to address something that
you just said
about like jesus being the truth there's
this is a big big universe and we're
little bitty
little teeny tiny little things um in
this big big universe there's a lot of
truth out there
and um jesus may know it all but uh
i'm not jesus you know so we've we do
have to
seek uh and find you know
and uh and in fact he's the one that
tells us to do that you know seek
and and find you know seek and you'll
find and um
so so yeah one one friend of mine who's
the son of a really prominent pastor
founder of a really cool nonprofit
organization that i worked full-time for
for a little while
great guy very christian but
but very very traditional but also very
like
present with the modern world and um
and he said look god is huge god is so
much bigger than i can imagine
god's huge so yeah there's a lot of
truth
um and and we process it in a lot of
different ways so there's a lot a lot to
be known and
yeah like you're saying the whole
extraterrestrial conversation is an
entire conversation
as is the colonization of other planets
by humans which
is imminent you know um you know there's
a lot to be said about a lot of these
things but i want to get to your
question
supernatural experiences uh when i was
really little i had
what i was not aware of but three
particular gifts that my parents even
tell me about one was
a connection to the other side so i
remember
one particular story of my parents
telling me that i was describing someone
in the room who was my
my great-grandmother who had already
died
another another time where i was
describing
i was very sick i had like scarlet fever
and was like
super sick and um they were worried
about
me and and my parents slept with me in
their bed
and um i woke up and i saw at the foot
of my bed a little boy
and that little boy looked just like me
and that little boy thinks this is his
house
and then come to find out my mother was
we just we later found out my mother was
pregnant
with my little brother who looks just
like me
so so definitely uh seeing spirits
family members especially
um there were some kind of scary
experiences some sort of
almost like what you would say is like a
demonic experience
um and so those things
happened uh being able to
guess things before they were happening
predict certain things
essentially having prophetic words of
knowledge
um and also being raised in a
in a tradition where we were at church
at least three times a week
and we were being taught to hone those
particular gifts
and we talked about the gifts of the
spirit and
and we practiced them so for me i was
being raised
being told you're supposed to be having
those this is what they are this is how
to do it
and um i was having things that didn't
just that weren't described
by what was happening at the church the
biggest thing was astral projection
i was definitely having these
experiences of leaving my body
experiencing what's going on in my home
and even the neighborhood as
as young as like eight nine ten
and um and they were too real and i
started to get better at it
if that makes sense i remember lifting
up very high above
my home and um and the slightest
pull to the left would send me flying in
the left super quick
and the and i couldn't control like my
momentum when i was astral projecting
astral projecting is of course when
the consciousness uh is non-local
into in the body and and can be in the
body still alive and all that
and so i had all those experiences and
and the church wasn't being
able to answer those particular
questions which i think are more common
than people even
say and realize and then what
happened was uh the little thing called
the internet came out
and um so so i was over there
trying to find out what my dreams meant
and then that's when i was introduced
into astral projection
different tools to hone those kinds of
gifs and then that was really around
age nine and so so sort of like secretly
putting myself through my own little
secret internet mystery school like so
many people today
um luckily we were early adopters so i
got
i got like a blessing of where i
had i been born 5-10 years earlier that
wouldn't have
been the option for me at age nine but
um but yeah you interesting that you
asked about supernatural experiences
yeah that was a huge part
especially um especially as a little kid
especially for what what brought me into
seeking what the other traditions
and other cultures had to say about
spirituality
now um you were talking about how um you
know some of the stuff that you were
experiencing
wasn't like they described right because
they're like hey this is pretty much
everything that can happen only this can
happen that can happen this can happen
i come from the the prophetic movement
as well and they
you know welcome these experiences but
every now and then someone would have
something
crazy like in the church and say like
you know uh
moses came into their room and revealed
this some kind of secrets or enoch
showed them stargates in the heavens you
know what i'm saying he's crazy like
everybody says hold on wait
i never seen enoch you know what i'm
saying so you would have these
experiences that people are like some
would call bs some would say no those
are demons or whatever
and so did you have some of those type
of experiences that that scared people
did it say you know that's not god
that's demonic because i did hear you
mentioned
the demons and stuff or because a lot of
people even believe
let's just be honest like in christian
tradition for sure they would say the
majority of
those kind of experiences were demonic
and that
you know god doesn't visit you that way
or you're not able to see ghosts there's
no
there's no such thing as ghosts that
wasn't your little brother that was a
a demon that like this weird theology or
whatever just because they haven't
experienced it
where there's ever was there like a
coming of age for you where you had to
say like embrace who you are
even though it was different than hey
this is the guidelines for all of this
stuff
uh definitely i feel i feel very much
i just turned 33 i feel very aware that
i'm not the same
as a lot of other people and i feel
really aware that
neither are they you know uh we're a lot
more of a
diverse unique community than um
than people really realize as as far as
humans you know
uh so so what i really think about when
you say this is look first
we the the world doesn't understand the
church of jesus christ of latter-day
saints
you know and i i would say that's true
about any community
that that you're not a part of you don't
understand it
each religion and community is
internally
diverse yeah so we can't say
mormons believe this prophetic
christians believe that
they like you said internally some
people say
that's bs that's a demon and meanwhile
other people will still say
wow what a blessing that enoch revealed
himself to you and gave you that message
you know it's internally diverse so so i
think that that's important
one of the things that was really uh
intense for me as a little kid was
someone telling me that because of my
family and be
we i did this show and tell thing we we
had to do a presentation about our
family
and we made like a poster board and i
had like
the the early lds temples and
all the and different things about like
my ancestors who
who came to the to this continent
pre-1776
and um ended up creating the mormon
church which now has
nearly 200 temples around the world 16
million members
you know and that's like my bloodline or
whatever you know and i and i presented
this
thing at school and there was this whole
really challenging process that came in
for sort of the rest of that school year
and it was this
nearby church called the vineyard and
this nearby church
had decided that ben decker was going to
be
a person that they talked about and i
was only like 10 or 11.
and they they taught their community
in my little small town in the midwest
about something called the illuminati
and how
the decker family is in the illuminati
and how the the decker family and the
mormon church
is is a
black magic illuminati cult
and um look here's the thing that was
such an
important blessing to me because it got
me to go really deep into the research
of what illuminati was before
a lot of the conspiracy stuff came out
because there's
there's some interesting true stuff in
there and then there's a lot of
fear-based interpretations that cause
distortions too
and so early early on i'm studying the
illuminati and
and look that term is an occult term and
it it is not an
actual club or group originally in its
original origin there might be groups
and there are several groups that call
themselves that or use that word
um and some and they all have varying
levels of integrity and moral authority
you know
and lack thereof uh but that that term
originally of course means enlightened
yeah and so it just refers to the
telepathic
field of people who've broken through to
another level and that other level
is experience of oneness
so illuminati just means someone who
knows that we're all
one knows that one thing is happening
that's what that word really means
and so that was a special blessing for
me to learn that because that's
that's something a lot of people take a
long time to really
learn um and then it takes you through
this whole thing where it's like wow a
lot of those things that they said
about illuminati was actually
fear distortion just like just like
burning the witches at the stake
you know these weren't these weren't
people doing human sacrifices
that they were that were burned at the
stake you know these
you know you start to look at the
individual cases of who was burnt at the
stake and hung and executed for
witchcraft
these were not what we identify as like
satanic witches
these were these were largely women who
were
who were popular who had authority in
their communities who had
who had leadership some of them may have
been astrologers or
or worked with plant medicine or worked
with herbs or
or as even therapists and counselors
and um you know we're we're not talking
about
real real gnarly quote-unquote black
magic types that's not who was burned at
the stake
so we got to realize a lot of these
people who we think are the bad guys are
not bad guys
our ancestors fear and through
through tribalism and needing to protect
and defend the tribe
distorted and misunderstood a lot of
things about
neighboring cultures and traditions you
know
yeah and you find out with the
illuminati thing which was huge is that
the early christians called themselves
the illuminati the illuminated ones
and then going back to the scriptures
like i love that that word is used
over and over again when you are
illuminated with the light of christ or
illuminate thy understanding it's like
oh wow
now the term the illuminati isn't such a
bad term now i accept it yes i'm
illuminati i'm illuminated with the love
and light of christ
right i i think illuminati is in its
truest sense
uh i hope to be illuminati i pray to the
illuminati that's the
i we aim towards that you know on a good
day maybe i
i have a shimmer of it somewhere you
know uh that is the
you know so i agree with that exactly
what you said you know for me
and it took me to something where where
know thyself
it's it's light realizing that when the
light is on in the room and the and the
illumination in light is huge and not
just the bible but every ancient
tradition
when the lights on in the room we see
what's up we see what's going on in the
room
the lights off in the room you you hit
your shin on the coffee table
you knock stuff over you you knock you
accidentally knock over the bookshelf or
whatever you know you're
you're stumbling around in the dark when
the light is on you see
so illumination means being able to see
things in truer context
without without distortions you know so
now
um what would you say about this other
term which is a scary term which when i
find like
you know i'm saying just somebody who
loves definitions right these
definitions that we hear it at first
illuminati oh that's scary occult
that's scary but then you find out the
meanings now
luciferian when it comes to the idea of
the illuminati or illumination
understanding that
you know lucifer is a term meaning light
carrier or a light
bringer and there's this weird dichotomy
people say well it's jesus lucifer
is jesus the same thing as lucifer and
it's like as a title
sure you know as a light bringer but
have you done any research on that title
people who would call themselves
luciferians to me when i break it down i
shared this in my song and freaked a lot
of people out
that i believe you know we are the true
lightbringers we are carrying
light which is knowledge you've you've
talked about this kabbalah talks about
this that
light and understanding is true and
right knowledge and so to be a true
luciferian
is a true carrier and conduit of delight
and you know i think that's really
interesting that you bring thing that
you bring up because
it's so important that we hear
each other out about our own tradition
about their own traditions
because we have to realize that if it's
alive that means god's light is inside
it
so that means that person who's talking
to you god's in there there's the light
of the spirit
that the the spirit of everlasting life
exists within them which is divine
and so there's some kind of sincerity
and truth in their heart no matter what
and so you got to tune into that and
sometimes there's wounding like with
what we call satanic which is not the
same
as luciferian like you're saying so when
we look at satanic
the church of satan is a parody of
christianity
it's a middle finger to christianity
it's not it's not its own real
religion um and it's it's
and whenever something is being parodies
it's because of a wounding
so we're looking when we look at
satanism
we're literally looking at people who
have been
experienced some kind of wound directly
or indirectly
from from christianity and have like
chosen to polarize in that way
so satanism is not the same thing as
luciferianism like you're saying so
here's in my understanding in my
research and education
um lucifer refers to the
the uh divine origin
of the brother of jesus in the
pre-existence
so there's like this notion of before
the world was created
jesus was already like a royal spirit
with like a great destiny and that's why
he was such an important
uh role in this planet um
and in the in the people of this planet
and his
brother was lucifer who was a
a radiant being of great power and great
wisdom and great evolutionary status
and um and he and
the christ so lucifer and the christ
which is the
the light bringer and then the the
present
moment act decision so what's special
about christ and also interesting about
christ
the word means the word implies
the decision so to christ
is crystallized and it and it implies
the choice from
from the individual to be christened or
christed you know or anointed
like that word means um and then lucifer
is is is
that this is the nature of that being to
radiate light
so christ and lucifer
um archetypally symbolized the original
nature for how humanity could have
manifested but in the pre-existence
there was a decision like an election
and it was who will be the ruler of this
very special planet
high investment planet with a lot of a
lot of potent
divine energy directed into it a lot of
possibility in this planet
that will affect a lot of other planets
and a lot of other star systems
um and so lucifer in christ so you look
at it like a metaphor
here's the metaphor the metaphor is
lucifer and christ campaigned
for this planet and christ
won the election and so
what was the we look at what was the
difference in the campaigns
lucifer as the light bringer
traditionally
is the difference between lucifer and
christ is that christ
won the election which means this is a
free will
planet it's a free will zone we get to
we we have to choose christ we get to
choose
whereas if this had been lucifer's
planet
um to begin with we would have
already chosen and we wouldn't have gone
through
all these ages of war and drama and
trauma
um to choose a peaceful planet
and so there's a certain kind of
thing that will happen in the second
coming
where where even and so here's an
interesting thing
even lucifer who fell okay so
jesus wins the election lucifer falls
and and initiates
this other part of the plan now that
now that christ is the president of this
planet lucifer has a different thing
because he's no longer
competing for president role you know to
use
sort of like mythology and modern
language or whatever and so lucifer then
had a new
role and um and the
and this and what his role is is an area
where a lot of people disagree
some people think he's he's here to to
wake people up some people think he's
here to scare people some people think
he's here to lead people into darkness
um but the the idea is that even in the
cosmic
in the big picture all things are from
one source
all things will return to that one
source
even satan himself will be redeemed
in the end so the the idea is
the idea that i work with is like this
notion that
there's always hope even for the darkest
of the dark
you know so so luciferians people who
identify as luciferians are
really part of a very uh mystical
very peaceful very idealistic and
altruistic community
of people who see lucifer
as the angel that he actually is
and and sees this
message of light bringing venus is the
morning star lucifer is the morning star
the morning star is the signal that dawn
is coming
so so the luciferian movement is
as a manifestation is said to symbolize
the second coming imminent yeah so the
return
of the christ the baptist right
you know that was to be before the
christ you know that's
interesting i wonder if there's a
connection there yeah
that is interesting that's really
interesting i hadn't thought of that but
yeah
good stuff yeah oh man so with all that
being said and trust me i love it i'll
just right up my alley uh scares a lot
of people
you know just because it's terms but
there's there's a
a way you know in in the awakening you
gotta
you have to address your fears and uh
and understand that you've been taught
wrong
you know and and all of us right in our
in our religion and our tradition and
our
fears or and a lot of us don't even know
because a lot of these terms that we've
believed they're not even in the
scriptures like i'm talking about for
the christian who believes things that
it's just through tradition but it's not
biblical at all
so when you go back to approach these
terms in the bible you find out that
you know the when these terms were used
they weren't talking about what we've
been told and that there's
so many with satan and lucifer in mind
that i cover that in my book and
it's huge you find out these i don't
know we just
believe certain things and they're not
historic they're not biblical at all you
know well one thing that i think
is uh that comes up that's so clear
around exactly what you're talking about
is the fact that uh the manifestation of
the new testament the
the manifestation of the of the messiah
of
the christ child uh he came to fulfill
the old law and therefore establish a
new
age side note jesus is the original new
ager
okay so we gotta lay off our smack talk
on the
new age movement we gotta reel it back
in because
they're they're our cousins they're the
christian ideological cousins
you know of the same actual same lineage
and so that's one thing another thing is
this uh
this notion of where we actually are in
history you know god is god didn't
change god's there we're changing we're
learning we're changing god's the same
yesterday today and forever right and so
our role
is to learn from god and to tune in
to god and then interpret based on our
existing world
look the whole point of jesus for
christians was that he was supposed to
fulfill and transcend the old law can i
get an
amen okay so let's talk about why we
hate the gays so much
when that was mentioned one time in the
entire bible
in the old testament never mentioned by
christ
never included in the new testament and
and even
even contradictory to the teachings of
christ which are about acceptance
mercy in life yes yeah yeah he'd be
hanging out with him for sure
yeah he is he is i say that um
i'm from i'm from alabama man and uh
it's been a journey these last
couple years for me honestly going
deeper and deeper into my spirituality
and then um just kind of like through
synchronicity having like a lot of
uh lgbt people on my podcast and i
didn't know it like
now i've gotten a chance to talk even in
the comment section there's people here
uh donald
um uh guffey jr who he's saying you know
he he loves both of us he's into your
work he's like why y'all didn't tell me
you guys were talking
had him on um i recently had uh jennifer
knapp
on uh she was the uh big christian
singer
christian uh rock pop music and and came
out
as lgbt and they crucified her you know
and she still has her faith and
for me it's been a journey recently and
a lot of people um
are afraid of that journey i've met some
really cool people and i've had to come
to
uh change my faith and my belief because
down here
in a bible belt like this man these
there's some some uh
some hateful people when it comes to who
gets accepted and who isn't so for me it
was a huge
uh awakening there and even as of
recently going into the scriptures with
it
to understand that man this what this
what we thought thought it was talking
about
concerning a lot of this same-sex
attraction
was not talking about that at all when
we read these verses
it meant something totally different and
so you really have to be
a berean somebody who's gonna who's
willing to to ask the hard questions and
break
break the scriptures down and um it's
been
super um enlightening for me to to share
this information
and uh and to have my own revelation on
this stuff you know what i'm saying as
well
so the church is waking up they have to
if not they're going to get left behind
the raptures can you've been left behind
if you don't if you don't awaken to this
because you know
it is about acceptance it is about you
know
love and uh jesus was with the people
who were
marginalized the people that the church
gave up on the pharisees gave up on here
comes jesus
hey hold on you know your best days are
ahead of you i'm here with you
the drunkards the prostitutes the
the rejects the tax collectors who we
all hate even to this day there's a
hatred
for some of you guys for tax collectors
but yeah man that's who christ
is and he's changing the game to this
day 2000 years later man
totally you know i think one of the
things
that i'm so grateful for to be raised in
the tradition that i was raised in
and and the main thing with the mormon
community and culture
is that the founder of that movement
was a truth seeker he went out and he
and he was like look the bible says i
can go talk to god
i'm gonna go talk to god right now you
know
and he went and asked his own questions
directly of god
and god spoke right back to him and
that's what you can do that's what i can
do that's what everyone on this call can
do
you have to go and there is like a
metaphysical equation
you got to be sincere yeah you could
have an actual
open heart and you got to be humble and
you have to say look
i believe that that someone can hear me
and that this someone is a
is a divine benevolent higher force
and and that that there's something that
can happen from that that i can't even
go anywhere i can't even touch my
power can't come anywhere near and then
just being in that space in your heart
creates the metaphysical opportunity for
you to have a
communication yep and that's what you
teach in your books right
absolutely the whole that's the gateway
though right to into these meditations
into mindfulness is knowing that hey
already i don't have to reestablish this
i'm
loved there's a there is a umbilical
cord a river of love that is coming from
god whatever we want to call it so when
i step into these meditations when i
step in to
get all my thoughts out boom there's
that love there's that
peace there's that acceptance the
world's rejected me my family has
rejected me
my boss has rejected me i'm loved
i am the light of christ so
stepping into that gateway because
there's a lot of talks about gateways
how you enter in and jesus says i am the
gate that you enter in and this gate is
that revelation of what he brought
that love acceptance i'm going to the
rejects i'm going to the prostitutes i'm
going to the drug addicts man because
they
because they're accepted as well um
so that's the the basis of of all of
this this stuff that you're teaching
right the
acceptance and love and you can feel it
man
when you go into these meditations when
you are mindful and you think about it
and you
get everything else out of your mind and
focused on this on this one thing
something we have in common for sure
yeah i love that i love your work i love
your
your approach to it too you know the the
thing that i see
is all of the different world traditions
describe humanity as having this dual
nature
we have a divine nature and a material
nature we have a spiritual nature and a
physical nature we have a spirit and a
body is how we kind of say it but it's
we all know it's not a hand in a glove
we all know it's much more complex
dynamically than that
um but what i think is really
interesting is this notion that we have
a higher nature and a lower nature
the lower nature has qualities the
higher nature has qualities and all the
traditions say this
um in my book meditations on christ
which is my bible my bible-based
book and i do have other books but this
is the one
uh that specifically uh speaks to
traditional christianity my my intention
with this one
was to be 100 compatible with
traditional christianity
in my personal practice i'm an explorer
i'm a seeker
this book is really uh it's for
explorers and seekers but it is also 100
compatible with traditional christianity
so there's no new like side ideas
introduced
this is just emphasizing it's
emphasizing the teachings of christ
um specifically through the fruit of the
spirit in galatians
and so the purpose is to look the fruit
of the spirit and the result of the
flesh that
is the higher nature in the lower nature
so the spirit
and the flesh are the two aspects of the
nature that's the way the bible
describes it
and so we we start to develop the
ability to discern
our own inner nature uh we have a lot of
different thoughts going through our
minds
and they all land on that spectrum
somewhere between our higher and lower
nature
um you know which could also be said as
truth and
untruths you know and uh of course it's
not a left and right two-dimensional
thing it's it's multifaceted it's
complex it's designed to get you working
get you thinking get your heart moving
get your nervous system active this
whole life is
designed to put you through something
and so so the more we can be available
to be put through stuff
and still manifest the spirit
of you know truth love generosity
kindness self-control you know those are
the fruit of the spirit which is the
the the content that you uh uh cultivate
in
the meditations of christ on christ that
book that
purpose is the fruit of the spirit um
one person was like it should be called
meditations on the fruit of the spirit
because it's not about jesus and i was
like it says
christ not jesus christ
everyone knows christ was never his last
name
guys that was a title it's a it's a it's
a
it was a it was like being called the
dalai lama it's a title
of it's an activation it's the buddha
the buddha was not the buddha's name
yeah his name was siddhartha gotama he
had a name
he became the buddha someone say he was
the christ for those people
he was the messiah figure right the
light right
right and like moses was was that in his
time he was a messiah figure
absolutely and we we needed that what we
call that
in uh comparative religious studies we
call it um
the doctrine of avatars and it's the
fact that there are people who ex
who incarnate divine qualities and
every tradition has it in christianity
we have the christ
and then we have a number of other
saints and prophets
and um you know in hinduism there's the
krishna and all the other saints
and sages you know etc and so on you
know all the different traditions have
the doctrine of avatars here's one
really interesting thing
you you probably have been exposed to
this concept a lot of people haven't
each of those traditions also in the
doctrine of avatars
say that one more is coming and they all
say
one more is coming and they all
also say that when that one more comes
the entire world is going to recognize
it's maitreya you know the lord speaks
for sure
yeah so the in the buddhist tradition we
say the maitreya buddha the final buddha
in christianity we say the second coming
in
in hindu the second coming of christ of
course yeah
in in judaism the first messiah never
even
you know they're still waiting on that
guy and then um
you know the hindu tradition there's the
kalki avatar and so on you know
all of them yeah yep i'm with you
exactly
so so that's what i think is really
interesting and and what
and so take that idea of the idea that
that a thousand years of peace is
prophesied by
every prophet of all the traditions
and that there are certain conditions
that that thousand years of peace would
be initiated by
that all kinds of drama would happen
right before it and that one
incarnation one person
one consciousness would flip the switch
and so we start to look at it and we
also look at the principle that we're
family
okay you're my brother uh we also look
at the principle that there's only one
of us here you're just a reflection of
me
okay stay with me and now we look at
the fact that we're in a freewill planet
okay there's only one of us
we're in a freewill planet and all of
our ancestors are saying that there's
a prophecy coming and that one one
consciousness will manifest and change
it
so what i start to see with the sort of
multi-dimensional lens with that
is that it's us it's not just
me that i'm gonna be the messiah it's
you and me and everyone listening
because there's really only one of us
we're reflections of each other
and all and because this is a free will
universe enough of us just have to
choose to be so
bold as to say maybe i can do something
bigger than my own life
well i mean that's what i believe the
second the second coming of christ is i
think there's a lot of people
who are akin to that idea that christ is
he's talking about coming back to to sit
on the the temple
and and the throne of god but then the
script he also goes on to tell you that
the throne of god is
your heart and he's like i don't need a
building
made with brick and mortar i come back
to dwell upon
the the seed of your heart and so this
christ consciousness ideas the fact that
you're the only christ you're the only
bible that many people will ever see or
read
right and so when he illuminates your
life when you're illuminated with the
light and love of christ
you become him on earth he said where
two or three are gathered
there i am in the mid so as you guys are
awakened to the idea
that i am there in your midst you are
that so
the fact that he's already we're not
waiting for a return of christ
but that he's already come back and so
let us tap into this consciousness let
us
communicate let us explore the depths of
this consciousness and it's love and
it's not just for you
it's it is it is transferable other
people
can get in on this and they can
experience it through the mindfulness
through the meditation
through the spirituality those are great
entry ways in
through uh showing someone love when
they're at rock bottom
you know when they've explored
everything else but this you know these
kind of everybody has their own entryway
into this love and light and um
and and to against such there is no law
of love
jesus goes on to tell us that that all
of the law and all of the prophets and
everything that we've read
up until this point has been fulfilled
through the
the royal law of love loving god and
loving your neighbor
and loving yourself really and it all
comes into play through
christ's consciousness yeah and i i feel
like
the um the
the purpose of as we understand these
things
and as we experience them in our own way
it's like
what does you said it is transferable
what does that transference look like
for you i mean you're you're doing
direct trainings you're you're creating
music you're obviously a very
prolific person uh for me i write books
i'm a filmmaker filmmaker i've got a
couple different film projects coming
out which i'm excited about i'm gonna
also be on a reality show next year that
i can't like say what network it's on
yet but it's
but we'll talk okay it's gonna be a big
one and then um
this this book was designed for people
to act as a bridge between where you and
i are discussing
because look there are going to be
specifics to your experience that are
going to be different than specifics to
my experience
but i have a feeling that you and i can
be very comfortable with that
and not a lot of people can so this was
intended to
act as a script when you read a book you
can tell who's read what books
because they start you start to hear
little clues you start to hear
you know and so this book was all my
books are scripts
but this one acts as a script to bridge
some of the traditional languaging with
some of the newer ideas
to help not reinterpret words or
or change doctrines ex necessarily
but to help remind ourselves of the
original
doctrine to recalibrate as purely as
possible to the
to the cleanest realist truth within it
cultivate our own psychic abilities
slash prophetic abilities slash
discernment of the spirit slash gifts of
the spirit
and and to to be able to use them we
can't
we can't train a generation to be ready
for everything but we can train them to
be ready
for anything that's good
that's real good and and those are
universal and um you know i
i quote this all the time just because
it's so powerful and you've kind of
mentioned some similar things but
um listening to uh billy graham and uh
when i was going through my awakening
and
being more inclusive and just having
supernatural encounters and stuff
i ran into an interview he did with
robert schuller
from the crystal cathedral and he starts
talking about how
uh that there are people all over the
world
who are a part of the body of christ
because they're asking them about this
christian
end time revival are we going to see all
these souls come into the church in the
church
he said no i don't think we're going to
see it he said but we will see
these people who are a part of the
buddhist tradition
the muslim tradition hindu that he says
there are people who may have not even
ever heard the name jesus they don't
know nothing about it
but they are already a part of the body
of christ and uh and when when i heard
billy graham say that ellie
graham said that the greatest evangelist
of our day
at the end of his life right he's done
it all he's won the souls he's preached
the gospel he
did his thing and then he says this i'm
like what
something activated in me man because
like everything that i was seeking
everything that i knew it you just
needed that confirmation
and so to hear him say that man really
changed a lot of things for me now i'm
able to see
christ in everything and everyone i'm
able to look at every circumstance and
every situation
and see that light that exists that you
were talking about that eternal essence
that is within every
sentient being every idea every
philosophy it's in there somewhere i
just got to find it
you know and so i think it's the same i
think it's the same as that river of
love you were talking about
that umbilical cord that divine
umbilical cord that each of us has
in my book i say that as children of god
we are portals to the divine yeah
so it's like what you said it's we're
river we have an umbilical cord we're
portals we're
we are our heart is a portal to god
and it's an infinite opening you know
my enthusiasm and um and the kingdom of
heaven is within
you need to go there it's a there's a
portal there's literally an
interdimensional portal inside
you you can go there and and meditation
is uh is the key uh there are
i do believe that there is a new world
religion manifesting right now and i
believe it's a new way of looking at
religion i don't believe it's one new
religion
i think it's an uh metaphysical
reconciliation with all of the world
traditions
that's the premise of the book of modern
spirituality and i believe that
meditation is the thing that's going to
unite all of the different traditions
when we're sitting in silence with our
eyes closed we can think about whatever
god we want
we can talk to whoever that we need to
talk to and it's about the magnetic
heart-centered sincerity of it all
yeah and holding that safe space like
that and um and i think that we
are the generation that is going to
manifest the second coming consciousness
i think it's happening right this second
in the year of
revelation aka 2020 perfect vision or
whatever you know
um i think it's all happening right now
i think we're doing it
and i think that we need to know that
our best days are ahead of us
and that we are loved and that we are in
this together and that when we do have
depression and darkness just the other
day was the united nations world mental
health day
when we are having those areas of
depression that's a demon
okay moses coming to you and saying look
you can get through this
look here's how you know whether it's a
demon or not yeah is it
is it creating negativity heaviness and
fear or is it creating
positivity light and love because people
on the other side of that spectrum will
say that jesus came to them
and told them that i'm about to blow
this place up next week
you know what i'm saying that's a
it's a demon bro yeah yeah so no it was
jesus man he looked just like you truly
no you don't know jesus because like no
he doesn't talk like that
yeah it's not a thing so it goes back to
galatians judging the fruit of
the message right every tradition
and and what you're talking about people
like taking a step forward being more
inclusive and this
new uh new man that is
evolving on the earth now um you can
keep your religion
you can keep your tradition you can keep
jesus you can keep moses you can keep
melchizedek or whatever it is you can
keep it but you got to get rid of the
the disgusting dogmas and the judgments
and the things that separate you and the
things that
you know are um you got to get rid of
things that jesus got rid of guys come
on
yeah you got to get rid of that stuff
you have to become more christ-like more
accepting more loving
and you know the other stuff you like it
keep it
then that's the beautiful thing because
with this
um comparative theology comparative
religion
you know in christianity i was taught to
to study other religions but to see what
makes us different
you know but in comparative theology
yeah we study and we're like oh wow
y'all pay tithes we pay tithes
you guys speak in tongues we speak in
tongues you guys prophesy we
you know you start finding all these
similarities hold on we're not so
different
after all and so there's a lot of people
who are just like
like me i'm like studying all native
american spirituality
all of it and taking the good things
from it all and let's just be honest
they got some bad
ridiculous stuff in all of these all of
us and let's get rid of that
get rid of all of it and this new
religion of taking the
the best parts of all of it in my music
i take the best parts of like
st styles and wordplay and i combine
them
with my religion i want the beautiful
stuff you keep all the disgusting
judgmental stuff keep that to yourself
brother
i want the beauty in it because if you
can look hard enough
in every tradition you you've trained
yourself to do that
mindfulness helps you to do that and
there's many many people
because of our work because we're
putting it in books because we're
putting it in music
that they're saying yes to this call too
and and they're
we're we're making disciples yes we're
making disciples we're making people
helping people to be able to it's
discipline the light the disciple means
entering into the discipline in kabbalah
they say there are two paths
one is the path of pain and the other is
the path of discipline
so you can either choose the path of
torah and meets vote which is
technically the path of joy
the path of discipline is the path of
joy you know
and and the path of pain is the default
path you know we can choose
that's what disciple means guru means
guide disciple means
someone who's in the discipline so so
this is a this is a time in an era where
where we're all gurus and we're all
disciples yeah
learning from one another yeah and you
know what i do want to talk to you
another time to be continued on
uh plant medicine because there's a lot
of different techniques and modalities
that we can use to help us see the world
through that lens of christ and in my
book
modern spirituality i had one of those
supernatural experiences
jesus came to me in a shamanic
indigenous
ceremony in costa rica with ayahuasca
plant medicine
and and it was jesus so i think i think
a lot of
a lot of christians will appreciate what
that
really was about and what that
means and what what we know about sin
both
traditionally and scientifically today
and how it can and
support everybody
everything's forever yep going back to
galatians what's the fruit of it man
yeah what's the fruit of this plant
journey like
when i talk to you like after you come
back like you're more in tune you're
more loving
you're like literally walking in the
spirit like come on man
you gotta you have to judge all things
according to its fruit
jesus told us to judge like there's a
there's a righteous judgment
but he said judge the fruit don't judge
the person the hurt
individual right judge the fruit of what
they're saying and what they're bringing
and if it lines up with the fruit of
galatians there's so there's an opposite
to those fruits as well
which is called the fruit of the flesh
like you said so it's like
bitterness uh gravy
gluttony self uh uh it's violence
fits of rage which is the opposite of
self-control
they're usually the opposite of the
fruits of the spirit right so you can
really just look at a person or hang
around a person long enough and you'll
see the types of fruits that they're
walking in and part of my awakening was
to be able to see muslims to see hindus
walking in the fruits of the spirit now
there was the whole thing to
to to biblically to walk in the fruit of
the spirit means
you got to be hanging out with the holy
spirit
there it's a spiritual path that if you
do these things if you're conscious if
you're connecting with god
um you're going to exhibit these fruits
and to see other people outside of
christendom do it
better than many of the christians that
we knew
hey i can't listen you just gotta look
at the information for what it is man
and that that was a big part of my
awakening man of being more inclusive
and a lot of christians too a lot of
christians for sure for sure
yeah yeah yeah for sure but that is that
was an area of breakthrough for me too
to see people outside of my tradition
walking
in the spirit i would say the same thing
for maybe those other religions
have to having to include christians now
right the muslim having to say man these
christians
like they love god like they truly are
genuine there's something different
about them
or something similar you know what i'm
saying about them and so
it's definitely for the christian to say
that about the other religions but then
the other
religions and traditions to say you know
what there are some beautiful things
that
that christ has brought or christianity
brings to the table and we need to
explore
those as well
absolutely so man uh it's a relationship
we uh i don't know how much time you got
i know we booked an hour but um
let me know when you got to go i know
you got stuff coming up um we could
definitely let me know what you're
looking like you got to go uh i've got a
couple more minutes but yeah i got
another
great great congratulations yeah but i
even know we could talk for hours we
could do an all-day one probably
yeah so uh i just did my first four-hour
episode last week and uh
wow i'd rather do four or one hour
episodes
easier for my schedule for sure
we'll make it happen oh yeah i could do
that i have that yeah i feel like
i love your work dude um i've been
listening to some of your meditations i
watched
some of the different ones that you have
on on youtube and stuff as well but um
your your new book is modern
spirituality make sure everybody goes
out and gets that and they
they're fairly cheap too so people can
just go to the amazon and get it but
definitely check out the meditations on
christ
i think a lot of people listening to
this show will definitely get some
some value out of that but uh yeah man
anything that you wanna you wanna
leave us with man any type of modalities
your favorite
uh entry into meditation combining
breath work
is it mindfulness meditation i know you
you teach it all so what are some of
your favorite techniques and things
you know i think the number one thing is
um
recognizing that you that every person
you
are already connected to
the universe and to god and that
every modality and technique is about
helping you experience that connection
and remember that connection and uh
everyone's gonna respond a little
differently to everything you know
so what i would i really recommend
really my first book
practical meditation for beginners it's
10 different techniques
with a bunch of different variations on
how to practice them
and that one is in audiobook too so
the other audiobooks haven't come out
yet but that that first one is also an
audio book
i think the more we expose ourselves to
all the different kinds of techniques to
help
us and remember what it's really about
it's not about
creating wealth or manifesting the
perfect blank
uh it's actually about recalibrating
your connection to
god um and so the that's a miracle
there's magic and then there's miracles
and one miracle
is more powerful than all the magic in
the world so magic
is when we try to manipulate something
and control the outcome
a miracle is when we surrender trust to
god
and then god makes an interchange where
we start to
where we see the world differently yeah
i'm going through that right now
you know there's there's levels to it
i'll say that we've always been going
through that but there's no levels
to it yeah so for you like um
has can can meditation bring about like
crazy mystical experiences similar
obviously it's not duplicating some
people kind of tout and i used to as
well that
like they're states of meditation that
are like i can enter
into ayahuasca states or psilocybin
states
through meditation i don't think you can
i think that they're all
specific and they're unique unto
themselves but
are there deep places that you can go in
through breath work and meditation that
are very similar
levels of experiencing bliss of heaven
or nirvana and things like that and
even meeting with moses and elijah and
angelic beings and things like that have
you experienced it
and that's something that other people
can do as well yes absolutely and i
would say that the the biggest thing is
that it's not about
the technique that you use um everybody
is really different
um it's it's about breaking down your
walls your resistance
to the heavens and and the fact that the
heavens want to be open
for you and that they want to speak to
you and that there is
a message for you that your life has a
purpose um
you do have you do have a backup team in
the celestial dimension
and and they want to be in contact with
you but because of the body because of
the material dimension because of our
experiences because of vibration
um we have limited access to them so
whatever you
do to raise your vibration to better
hear your posse in the heavens
they're there they're real it's a real
thing going on you can call them a
million different things
but but the holy spirit the one highest
spirit that connects all things that we
breathe in and breathe out
is a real thing it's got real data for
you
real info real inspo for you information
and inspiration
and um and all these modalities are
about
reducing your resistance to it so if you
if you
get one thing from this it's take a deep
breath
in and on the exhale
let relaxation come through every part
of your body let go of all the
tension get soft get relaxed
be receptive and no matter what you're
doing
more of your own higher nature your own
higher wisdom the
the spiritual guidance will come through
no matter what you're doing
if you just soften into it allow
yourself to be more receptive
good stuff his website is ben
deckermeditation.com go check out
all of his work his books and all the
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table ben
thanks so much for hanging out with me
man i i want to do it again man get with
your people get with my people let's
make it happen
definitely thank you dude so happy to be
here and so happy for the
the work you're doing in the world hey
thank you so much brother many blessings
we'll do it again
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ladies and gentlemen good stuff
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elementals are different elementals
are really strange i've seen
elementals i've had one-on-one
experience with elementals i don't know
exactly what they are how i know
what to call them but i have
i've had incidents where i have been
in the company of elementals they're
spirit creatures
like fairies and uh the irish are
very big i'm talking about the the
different fairies and the different
magical little creatures
leprechauns i have seen gnomes and
leprechauns
and fairies these are what we call the
elementals
they they are legitimately life forms
but they don't live in the world you do
they live in a different kind of world
an elemental world
but we call them the elementals it's uh
it's quite a subject life outside of
being a human
what is life like in the spirit world
and that's what you're talking about in
your book
i explore these concepts and more in my
new book
spirit realm angels demons spirits
and the sovereignty of god forward by
jordan maxwell
available now at truthseeker.com
yes go check out the book it's available
for audiobook for
free download if you click that link in
the description you can get my audio
book i read it
it's four and a half hours i will read
it to you for free
uh check it out if you want a physical
copy those are available too i want to
show you all my new
toy man i'm excited about this we're
definitely going to be uh using this
for some sound bathing on our retreat
coming up
but this is a crystal pyramid i've seen
a friend of mine i think he's gonna be
on the show
thursday uh um francesco
uh he's gonna be on the show and it's
gonna be good but i've seen him using
one of these
and he does a lot of energy healing like
reiki and stuff like that
and um he'll go live and he'll do these
energy attunements and he i seen him use
this for the first time
first time i've ever seen one and i was
like oh i got to get one
i got to get one but shout out to
francesco i'm going to have him on the
show thursday i believe but
um i love watching his energy
attunements it's like asmr for me
to see him uh do the sound bathing
chanting
sending energy pushing and pulling like
releasing trauma and stuff like that
when he goes live
on on facebook and stuff and so
i love it anybody working with energy
there it just pulls me in
and i can feel it i love it but i heard
him use this
and uh i fell in love with it so i'm
gonna see i'm see if i can
play it here and i just got it yesterday
and so maybe you guys can hear it but
it's beautiful so
check it out this is a crystal pyramid
can you hear it listen
take that devil we're opening portals
we're calling in the angels
clearing the energy
can y'all hear that give me a thumbs up
in the chat
beautiful sound bathing cleansing your
aura
believe this is too um when i did the
recording on this to try to check out
what it is it seems like it's
g and c going back and forth a little
bit of both of those notes
so yes
i love it i love it i love it i love it
yeah we'll be using some of this we'll
be using some singing bowls and stuff as
well
on the uh reset refresh new uh retreat
coming up in
december christie's posted in chat she
says wow can't wait to see that
in person chris he said it sounds like
angels wow
yeah i just think if we have the other
uh some of the other resonances playing
as well
um with it it's gonna sound beautiful so
if you was to focus in on that that tone
man it's
definitely uh cleansing and clearing i
love it so
yeah that's what uh excited about that
that's a new toy i just got in
i'm gonna have to get some more my wife
has a singing bowl and some other things
too so
um yeah anybody have any questions any
comments man i'm watching the chat now
i've got a few minutes to hang out with
you guys this is kind of an early
early talk but i really really enjoyed
it um i have a lot in common
the the christ consciousness the
meditation the mindfulness and
i hope you get i hope you guys get that
deep down within you um
i will say if i want shout out to um
um claymore if you're listening you did
not send me your address and i know you
you usually listen
you didn't send me your address so i can
send you this book here
that you won on the last live stream uh
chrissy says is there any men tickets
left on the retreat i know someone who
wants to go
yeah we have five men seats left five
men seats and two female
seats so yeah we do have a couple more
and you can get those tickets at truth
seeker.com
that's there um uh
clint says that's the vibe and sound i
love and use
to cleanse me or to get the rest amen
triplet says is that what the divine
trinity sounds like yeah
heck yeah 432 is the is is 432
the best healing frequency which one is
the best
i think that's subjective but yeah you
definitely
i say you can you can't go wrong with
432
and 528 but 432 for sure
i mean there's apps that will tune your
favorite songs
into uh 432 you can get apps on your
phone so like
if you listen to my music it will
automatically tune it
i will say people always ask me about my
music is it
tuned to 432 and i tell them no because
once a beat is already created and you
change the the frequency of the tune to
it
for some reason a lot of the ticks a lot
of the high-pitched ticks and stuff that
are in
hip hop music when you retune those they
sound horrible
even though they're in 432 the tone the
the pitch of them and the tone it just
sounds
bad so retuning hip hop is kind of hard
but you can retune a um
even like a depressing song i've heard
like stained the band stain songs
which are usually depressing at least
they're older stuff anyway and i've
heard that retuned
to 432 where they sound more uplifting
when you retune them i know that the
band tool
and i may lose monetization on this um
video if i play this but let me let me
change some of this stuff to 432 and see
what it see if you can tell
let's see here we'll just do schism
i'll just go into a little bit
that one seems a little bit harder to
hear
probably lose monetization playing these
songs
i feel like there's certain songs where
you can feel it more for sure um
two here's h four thirty
is
yeah so that's just an example if you
know the original if not you don't know
what it
the change in it but um deb says
even her tuning forks are awesome yeah
um
next says i suggest getting in touch
with steve grant and adam warlock
for future um i've already had i've had
steve grant on me and steve grant did a
really cool talk
uh several months ago so if you haven't
heard that episode make sure you go back
into the archives uh
steve grant's a good dude love where
he's headed spiritually
uh it's so funny because i've always
talked about like
steve grant diesel the get big guys um
there's a natural evolution that you see
a lot of people
take uh with this awakening uh thing
where
you step into um
you wake up most of us get injured got
introduced years ago i'd say not so much
anymore
we get introduced to this kind of stuff
through alex jones
right this uh um maybe conspiracy
a lot of people you know get into it
through conspiracies and stuff so
you wake up and it's a government thing
you learn learn about the truth in the
government
and the illuminati and all this kind of
stuff and you're starting like
you get on this anti-new world order
thing anti-illuminati you get into
steve grant where the guys are wearing
the the the v for vendetta mask and
stuff like that and it's very much like
overthrow the government
kind of stuff um but then these guys
they
really did the work in the streets like
they're do they're hosting rallies and
marches and stuff like that marching
against the
you know the amendments and trying to
you know
vote people out of the office to bring
about change
but eventually i did that i put out an
album called the fall of babylon it was
very much
uh government oriented you know fallen
pointing at bush at the time when i was
into that someone else has flat earth
yeah i think flat earth is
something you get into as well but you
found out that listen these
marches ain't doing nothing like voting
ain't doing nothing
like all of this stuff that you're
trying to do to to change the world
in a march or in a vote you find out
that it doesn't work
and so for me i went through that thing
and i was just started
doing the work on myself working on
myself and then having
influence and changing people one at a
time or through my music or whatever
and so where with something external
about
changing the government and getting
certain people out of office or
something like that it moves to this
more of a spiritual approach to
changing myself spiritually and then
knowing that my music and then my art
and then my lectures like everything
that i do my podcast is going to affect
people and i'm going to be changing the
world that way
and i say that with the likes of steve
grant because i've seen him take
a very similar approach his stuff was
more you know marching and they
they if anybody did it they did it for
sure like
you know gathering people all over the
world man to march and to
get about this movement and they find
out that i think it didn't really work
it's cool movement cool idea
but as far as the change that they're
seeing and legislation and all the stuff
that they're shooting for it didn't work
so i think the the next phase of that
evolution conscious evolution is
spirituality
it's tapping into taking care of
yourself i've seen it you know i'm
saying vinnie
vinnie did it uh diesel did it
steve did it everyone does it especially
those who start out
in the conspiracy arena you move to the
spiritual part it's just a natural part
of the pro
process so shout out to those guys and
i say that to say i really love what
steve grant's doing right now and
focusing on the body
focusing on health spirituality um
finances you know what i'm saying
helping people to uh
to tap into all of that stuff
uh waddlebot says what exactly is
christian mysticism
um i i think it depends on who you ask
man i think that uh
the mystical experience um for me i
is my christian experience is a mystical
experience
right so it would be i'd be call myself
a christian mystic
uh one who is have a mystical union
with christ and you could stop there i
guess as a christian
but then we have a mystical union not
only with christ but the angels with the
demons with
all uh sentient beings with um
different types of angels different
types of messengers
elemental beings elemental spirits and
so all of this together is is
very much a mystical experience so um
for that to be the doorway for i guess
for
a christian uh um mystic would be
one who is entering in through that
stuff through
the teachings or being a devotee of
jesus christ right of understanding
what he taught and that was my gateway
into mysticism i would say
true mysticism really because those
those dudes were very mystical when we
go back and read the bible we read about
like
these dudes who were leaving their body
they were receiving dreams and visions
in the middle of the night that
were things that they were to do the
next day and uh
and just being on this road which we
would call synchronicity
of things lining up what you need to do
to step into and embrace your destiny so
um very interesting to read the
scriptures and see
some of the things that they were going
through and and doing
speaking in tongues like you know all
kinds of
out of this world stuff i mean i wrote
about a lot of it in my book uh meeting
with the dead
you know believing in ghosts and and
reincarnation a lot of these things that
we were told
um are not christian or are not biblical
or
the bible is full of it and not in a
condemning way but in a way that
it kind of vouched for a lot of that
stuff so
i would um um say that for me my my
my christianity or or my you know
practice is a very mystical practice and
there's no way you can get away from
that
it is the bible talks about the mystery
of christ
in us is a mystery and it's exploring
that that mystery as well and um walking
in the spirit
meditation prayer those things are very
essential to my
experience and top of top says kind of
like
kabbalism somewhat i really find
that kabulism is like explaining
that in in fine detail i always talk
about holding up a
magnifying glass to uh some of these
things that you can just keep going
deeper and deeper and deeper into it um
so for me
on first um um observation like
the kabbalah the zohar
um the kabbalistic tradition is like a
um
holding up that magnifying glass to the
sanctification process which is like
this
process that it's a biblical term that
you go through this process of being
made into the image of christ and going
it's like this process of evolution it's
the process of
um you know i'm saying becoming
sanctified
becoming a saint and it's a process of
that that you go through in
levels and tests and trials and all of
those things so it's really just kind of
like
holding that magnifying glass up to and
just going deeper and deeper into it
of the inner workings of that from my
experience for what i see
savannah says do you believe in
reincarnation because the
uh the bible says a person dies
once and then the and then judgment um
i don't know if i believe in
reincarnation but i'll say that there
are there is grounds that the early
church believed in reincarnation
right because i talk about all this in
my book if you guys have not had a
chance to pick it up like i said you can
get the audio book or you can get a
physical copy as well at truth
seeker.com but the early church believed
um when they were talking about jesus
everybody's asking who is he
who is jesus and some would say that he
was elijah some would say that he was
moses that had come back
same thing with john the baptist there
were people were speculating
who john the baptist was because there's
prophecies in the old testament
that elijah would come back and elijah
the spirit of elijah and so after john
the baptist had come and gone
jesus told them that john the baptist
was
elijah and so there's this notion of
reincarnated
reincarnation that he would come back
now you know
once a person dies
then the judgment comes um i believe
that
i believe that earth and this life is a
place of sortation
of where you're gonna what what roles
and things that you're gonna do on the
other side
um and so christians would kind of like
just hold that in the spectrum of a
heaven and hell
right very shallow-minded very like hey
if you're a good person you go to heaven
if you're a bad person you go to hell
but a little bit more intricate about in
the afterlife on the other side
which is real life which is eternity
this this
this life is a is a vapor we only get so
many years here 100 if you're super
lucky
70 60 where it seems like we're living
less and less some people
less fortunate or whatever die early so
like to think that this is
our final form or whatever um earth is
this training ground to see where you're
gonna the sortation process of what
you're gonna do on the other side
um if you you put here to learn love
to pass these tests in this so-called
um universal mystery school that we're
all inducted in that we all choose to
come here in the in
the the lesson is to learn love
to graduate so that when you wake up on
the other side the real you
the avatar you that is in heaven right
now when you snap
out of this dream and then you suddenly
remember you're back in
this consciousness that you were before
you came here
you're gonna hey you passed you didn't
pass and that
test seemed like it was a lifetime so
for me it's
learning love responding with love um
um evolving so again these roles that
you do on the other side of the grave it
was
talked about um the the great cloud of
witnesses in the bible
that that the bible says that we're
surrounded by such a great cloud of
witnesses and it talks about those
who have come before us who are looking
down upon us and cheering us on and
guiding us
and and and helping us and then the
scripture goes on to say that some of
those people mentioned there
jesus was communicating with them from
beyond the grave
now i think that there's a level of
ascension where they end up becoming
ascended masters or
they're able to teach um ancestral
um you know uh your lineage or
whatever the case is but jesus was being
taught by
moses and elijah and so we got to see
that
whenever peter james and john went to
the mount of transfiguration
and seen what jesus would do when he
would pray he literally
received this light body and his clothes
turned white
he began to shine the clouds began they
began to communicate with him through
the cloud
and um peter james and john got to see
that
and as far as i'm concerned that
happened every time
he went into to pray for hours on end
he was definitely a man that was giving
over to devotion and prayer i believe
that he was meditating
and he was communing with the ancestors
and so i repeat that i say that a lot i
really believe that i want you to get it
i want you to explore it
you understand that other other
traditions eastern philosophies
have been practicing this since the
beginning and i think that christianity
has too we've just lost it
this isn't something new we're not
stepping into the next stage and doing
something new this is very ancient this
is very old
and we need to return to the ancient
path as the scripture says
so there's so much stuff that has been
lost
in christianity that you guys have given
over to the new age
have given over to the witches have
given over to
whoever you know through western
christianity that's become a
joke honestly um and something that
people loathe and don't want anything to
do with you know they would rather
go in by another means through hinduism
or
or any type of shamanic practice but not
knowing that
christianity and its true essence is a
shamanic practice
it is connecting with nature it is uh
that
all of creation that we have this this
uh
uh song and dance this relationship that
all of creation's
waiting for you to wake up and they're
groaning for you and there's angels and
there's beings and there's
entities on every level that are at not
your disposal but
but they're they're here to to to guide
you and to lead you and
some of us have commune some of us have
seen those entities on different levels
in
different places in our lives and it has
changed us you know
we've had these just one experience
but i think that you know if you've had
that one experience it should be
something that allows you to explore it
a little bit deeper and to have
more because a lot of these experiences
are repeatable you just have to set
aside the time to go in and do it
the stargazing and stuff that we do i
think anybody can do it i've seen things
that changed my life ruined me honestly
um that anybody could see but you have
to
want to see it you have to go out there
and look and and the bible says
that for those who uh seek that they
will be shown that those who
knock the door will be open uh to them
so uh that's something that you can
explore
chris garner says that these traditions
were both lost
and taken from us for sure because it's
empowering
you're not gonna come to me for answers
when you can go directly to god
yourself and that's what the church uh
did many forms of religion
do and did but they continue to do
you have to go to the leaders you have
to go to the elders
uh to get your answers to to interpret
the bible
you know you're too stupid to read and
interpret the bible and
in many of the cases these people they
literally were illiterate
so they couldn't even if they wanted to
so we had to go to
these people and and ask them what the
bible said and then you have to just
trust that
that they were a clean and clear conduit
for god's light and love and would tell
you the truth
without it being tainted and we've seen
what that's
birthed how many different denominations
and belief systems and everything that
we're dealing with
today because of that and that's still
taking place and still going on but i
think that
podcasts like these and books and music
and everything that we're bringing
is definitely helping not just me but
countless other people out there like me
and um and who who are for the greater
good
and who are for love and they do serve
justice and they serve
uh the law of one which is the law of
love
there's no greater love other than that
so i hope that answers your question a
little bit about the mysticism and the
um um what do you call it uh
um reincarnation so
they they allow you to explore right i
mean
just even hearing that like what does
that do for you like
did you know that that they that was a
thing like
yeah but you know what i'm saying that's
like yeah but
you're not supposed to yeah but you're
not supposed to seek it i mean there's a
lot of
um christians who say you're not
supposed to seek after this stuff
they were all random everything was
random they think that every
spiritual experience in the bible was
random
they believed that you know um
people were just walking down the road
and just like because paul
you know he got his experience was
random for sure it wasn't random
but he i don't think he was seeking it
but at the same time he was he was just
like
in the right place at the right time in
his life
that god was preparing him to do the
work that he did
so he's on his you know riding a horse
or donkey and
he gets knocked off and he's blinded by
the light of christ he sees the glory
and light of christ and it blinds him
and um you know he has a supernatural
experience that changed his life
you know a lot of people have had that
but
a lot of it is about seeking like the
early church
believed in the trance state it's
totally scriptural they
they used that word in the king james
that they were in a trance
on the lord's day guess what happens
when
you know evangelical christians sit in
church and they have their eyes closed
and their hands raised and they sing a
song for 45 minutes
straight guess what happens to you
you're
you're in a trance on the lord's day
and what happened so what is happening
when you're in that trance there's
people who report healings there's
people who report
seeing visions about their life about
like their their
past traumas and and and uh sins are
being forgiven and cleared up
like just by having their eyes closed
going in
communing with god in a trance on the
lord's day
they just got their hands up in their
eyes closed and they're in another realm
they are going within they are communing
with jesus they are
being shown visions and then you can
explore that deeper
don't just be on the trans on the lord's
day there's another scripture that talks
about
the first day of the week that they all
got together and were seeking and they
would continually do this stuff
by themselves it's what jesus really
championed do this stuff by yourself
but also bring people with you
two or three are gathered get two or
three people who really want this and
y'all go after it together
and nothing shall by by any means be
impossible to you
because you believe it i'ma give it to
you and not just you
but you got other people with you that
are like you or that can help believe
for other things or can help you in
areas that you're stumbling or falling
listen man nothing shall listen upon
this rock i'll build my church in the
gates of hell
shall not prevail against it this
understanding of the revelation of who
christ is
and that it is a mystical adventure
it is not about just going to church and
doubting the
uh eyes and crossing the t's it's really
about this engaging
heaven you know you jesus didn't come
so that when you die you get to go to
heaven and not go to hell
as if hell was your default anyway but
jesus
came to get heaven into you
now that you can experience heaven and
experience bliss
on earth now through your belief through
your faith but
in through engaging that faith
that's what we're doing i hope i'm
stirring you up i hope that
you take me at my word i hope that you
go away and you try some of this stuff i
hope that you
book a session with someone i hope that
you go to a a
retreat i hope that you do a meditation
like i'm giving you all of the tools and
everything's there
um for you and there's dif and there's
so much because there's different
strokes for different folks some people
like different things some people engage
different ways some people their minds
are
too uh running too fast to
to take time to meditate they just think
that they can but they can listen to a
song
you know they can listen to an audiobook
maybe they can't read my book but they
can listen to the audiobook
and there's things that you hear that
are testimonies
where i'm testifying about experiences
that i've had just like when you read
the bible
you're reading about experiences that
people had right and there's other works
even outside of the bible that are
testifying of these experiences
and you know what's
god is not a respecter of persons to
think that only some people get this or
they were just
lucky to be walking around and fell into
a trance or walking around and
fell into a vision no no no
if you seek the door will be open to you
you have to seek
what does that mean well you got to
meditate go
in with the love and light of christ ask
him to show you
what you need for today give me this day
my daily bread going through a prayer
going through meditation
and uh you get what you need
for today um chris
says kind of like bill hicks said it's
about the ride
just put on your seatbelt that's it put
your seatbelt on
because it's going to get bumpy sure
your headlights are on because it's
going to get dark
you know you're going to go through the
rain you're going to drive through the
storm you're going we're going man cross
country
let's do it cross dimensions through the
portals man
portals to the paranormal let's get it
in so
if anybody else has any more questions
let me know if not i'm gonna go ahead
and get off here
in a moment but um yeah i really enjoyed
this talk
uh this is what we do man we we do the
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changing your relationship with money
some of you guys have a bad relationship
with money
you're chasing money and it's just
running from you it's running you
get money as soon as you get it it's
already gone um
you never have enough like there's just
this crazy uh
relationships that we've had and i've
definitely been there
and i've had to change my thinking and
change my mind and go through some of
this stuff so if you're looking to do
that
that and you're looking to grow with a
small group eight week program
path of the healer go to truth
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send me an email if you have any
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and go through some of the stuff with
that i'm gonna say peace and shalom man
love you guys and we'll do it again uh
thursday it's gonna be a good show as
well so
peace peace guys shalom
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