Communicating With Plant Spirits | Cathy Skipper
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Kathi skipper Cathy how are you my
friend I'm fine thanks great to be here
oh man excited to talk to you this is a
while senior listening and and and
seeing what you bring to the table some
of the amazing courses and things like
that a bunch of really cool stuff
returning to nature if you will one of
them really caught my attention was this
communicating with with plants and this
intuitive connection that we have and I
think a lot of people are returning back
to this ancient path so I'm ready to
dive into this discussion with you and
and here's some of your experiences and
you teach people how to do that correct
yeah that's true I have a school called
aroma gnosis where we teach everything
to do with plants and aromatic because
aromatics are like the soul of the plant
and so and they they enter us straight
into the limbic brain they don't get
filtered through the spannabis
so I use a lot of aroma to journey with
plants and also plants in nature I take
people into nature and teach them how to
communicate with the natural world
beautiful I'm ready to explore this and
here's some of this beautiful stuff some
of it very I would say esoteric all of
us know about plants smell good and make
you feel good when you see colors and
things like that but in some of the
esoteric really inner workings of that
kingdom and these plants are alive and I
want to get your take on that I guess
before we go any further just kind of
give people just a brief bio about who
you are and what you bring to the table
we'll get started there okay so I'm an
aromatherapist and a half left I trained
in France and I worked in a huge Hubble
school in France's biggest temple School
in Europe and then in 2014 I spoke at a
conference in Seattle on aromatherapy
and I met my husband who is a holistic
like psychiatrist and we joined together
not just as man and wife but we're going
together in our work and we develop the
school that I mentioned called aroma
medicine where we really you know you
say it's esoteric but for me it's normal
it's you know we call these things I sit
there but they're not esoteric they're
our normal human nature it's what we've
always known we've just become
disconnected that we've become
disconnected too many things that the
most important thing that we're seeing
today in the problems in the world is
that we've become disconnected from our
roots which is our place in nature so
for me it's not esoteric it's actually
incredibly scientific and normal yeah
and I'm you know maybe that's me um
tying a bunch of other research in
esoteric things in my mind these
connecting these dots that are there
from listening to other people
researchers and who have a deep
appreciation for plant medicines if you
will and that that that the plants are
alive and they have a consciousness and
and things like that and it's really it
seems far out but I'm with you dead this
was something that was understood by our
ancestors and you know by the indigenous
people do you think that this kind of
information was widespread or was it
just for the shamans and for the healers
or was it just kind of something that
everybody knew as far as our ancestors
are concerned I think everybody had a
much deeper connection and I think and I
believe I teach a lot about ancestral
medicines and plants and I believe that
everybody is indigenous to somewhere so
in all our ancestral lines you know
depending on what your own personal
story is it's further or nearer back but
there is every line goes back some at
some point to indigenous people who were
close to the land who living in harmony
with the land that needed the land and
nature in order to survive all of us
every single one of us and it's at that
point where this ancestral knowledge is
our knowledge we just cut out as we cut
ourselves off from nature we cut
ourselves off from our ancestral energy
the energy that support Christmas
actually ancestral we wouldn't be here
if it wasn't for those indigenous people
in all our lines and with that knowledge
so part of reconnecting with nature is
reconnecting with
is in our bloodline which we already
know it
impact we re remembering it's not about
learning again how to communicate the
song in connection with nature it's just
we remembering what we already know do
you think that there's a resurgence in
and now like have you seen that with
like the popularity of your work or you
know emails in the inbox and things like
that people who were actually hungry for
this now I've seen like it's just like
like it's it's almost like people have
this inner sense that I need to return
to nature I need to put my feet on the
ground I'm so just you know drenched in
my work in the computer and the concrete
and I'm not you know what I'm saying and
there's this discount there do you think
it's growing in popularity not people
are returning back to the ancient ways
definitely and I think for many reasons
one of them as you said that people feel
disconnected so there's a there's a
natural like you know what do I need to
do to get back but I also think because
people are aware of the state of the the
earth the ecology what's happening in
the earth you know they said like a
counter for we're destroying the earth
and huge companies and organizations on
the earth who don't actually give a [Â __Â ]
because they're interested only money
and power and so there's a counter force
to that and consciousness the thing that
hang on there's something else but also
I think the ancestors the ancestors
these are indigenous people in aura all
of our lines are calling out there's
this hum behind in our consciousness of
something more something that we we know
we've lost so we're being cooled back
through that fat line as well I agree I
felt uh you know we had this whole
spiritual awakening if you will some
years ago around 2012 just getting
deeper and deeper for me it was
something that you know I was doing my
research into a lot of different things
but then I went to the Native American
powwow which I we used to live on the
reservation I'm Native American as well
and it was as something was different
that year
there was a spirit in the air that the
weather was just right there was a
connectedness to the people there was
energy and transference when I would
shake someone's hand it was I was in
tears the majority of the time and
trying to hold them back because it was
like this lost practice of these people
who were definitely connected to the
seasons and to the cycles and to the
earth and to the nature spirits and the
ancestor spirits and who worked with
them and now like for us Westerners now
it's only like privy to one day a year
but I was able to experience it in my
eyes were open and it was something that
I carry with me today but I do feel like
feel like it was some type of ancestral
call where the ancestors are letting us
know like hey we have to return back
definitely but I definitely I mean it's
the ancestral connection actually I
believe saved my life because if we're
not conscious of it we live out the
traumas of our ancestors rather than
working with our healthy indigenous
people who have that wisdom you know
otherwise we just have our traumatized
ancestors sitting on our knee and
neither they or us can heal we need to
connect with nature and with our healthy
ancestors because they are the ones that
can heal the traumas that have gone
before us v connected us from nature
disconnected us from ourselves and
allowed the state of the earth as it is
today and the people who are leading
that to take over and it's the healthy
ancestors that are the other side of the
veil that actually need us to be hold
them to listen to them to be guided by
them and they can heal the harms that
have gone before and also thing you know
reconnecting with our ancestors and
reconnecting with nature is the same
thing and what it gives us is what we've
lost which is the strength of belonging
we don't belong to the Christian
Catholic or whatever Church is we don't
belong to the in distance us realized
world we don't belong to the money
system we belong to something much
deeper that is connected like you said
to the seasons of the harmony of the
world to
to nature and to our olanta and that's
for me
the the riding forth now here there's
something you said you you made a
distinction between healthy ancestors
and if that's a true then you have to
have unhealthy and sessions as well and
maybe you can help me a little bit
because I look back at some of my even
with the Native American ancestors and
they wasn't like they were alcoholics
they beat their wives they were hustlers
they were pimps they were in the Mafia
and things like that you know so it's
like everyone wants to connect with the
ancestors and connect with the great
grandfather spirits but my grandfather
was a was like a mobster he was a bad
guy you know so how does that work on
the other side this is he still that guy
has he learned is it okay to try to want
to because they're songs and things that
embody this kind of stuff and it's
calling out for the you know the
grandfather and the grandmother to
return and teach us and I love those
songs but it's like hold on I'm reminded
of the person that my granddaddy was you
know how does that fit in with the
healthy and unhealthy ancestors to where
we are now
well what's great is we have a similar
story because my maternal line is from
the nagas people in India and in
colonization my father's that my
mother's father line was British and
they they married with tribal people
with us my great-great-grandfather
married a tribal doz I have a very
similar story to yours
and I have very unhealthy ancestors
because on the maternal line the women
were really dead blood was stolen their
names were stolen my grandmother and my
great-grandmother were in orphanages
like what happened here and they were
they were damaged because they had no
sense of self they gave all away their
power to the white man and on my on my
maternal father's line the white man was
a was a pretty rotten pretty nasty line
of guys so those people are all damaged
but the healthy ancestors you have
to go back further because there any
story all over the world the ancestors
that died recently the ones we can name
they still have stories and wounds and
traumas to heal and what would have
happened because every single societies
civilization in the world the face of
all religion is actually untestable
generation of some form ancestral
connection so when we were still
generating ancestors in a healthy way in
every society this work would have been
done naturally because the culture
honored the fact that the ancestors
existed and this work was going on they
only like our connection with nature it
got completely cut off and what the and
healthy ancestors of those ones that we
can't lay so older than your grandfather
in a great grandfather and my
grandmother and my great-grandmother
they're older than them by the one that
were not damaged by colonization were
damaged by people taking over their
culture they weren't wounded they were
still living in their culture in their
way connected to us they are the ones we
need to connect with so when I I teach
in my work how to connect with I
journeyed with plants to connect with
them once we've connected with them what
we feel is this honey it's in an
embodied energy because I mean I could
go on a lot but there's something called
mitochondrial DNA which is not the DNA
that you have from your mom and your dad
that's mixed up to prevent genetic
inbreeding it's a little bit of DNA that
you have it is only comes through your
mother line and is never changed so your
mother your grandmother your
great-grandmother your great-great
grandmother and so on for thousands of
years and all their brothers or have is
unchanged mitochondrial DNA so that's
why you and I and everybody in this
earth we belong to our mother's plants
so we need to connect to the healthy
ancestors on our mother's plan and then
when we to holds them we work with them
we honor them we have an altar to them
every day I give them food on my altar
every day I play my flute to my mega
people on my altar every day I reconnect
with them I feel that energy that was
cut from my line
and they guide and buy the holding them
they then will go and take my
great-grandmother my grandmother who
were wounded who had you know who then I
took on their wounds and had sexual
abuse and domestic violence and
alcoholism and heroin addiction those
things I carried from my life they will
take those wounded members of my line
and they will repatriate them into the
clan where they will get healed I don't
have to do anything I just have to
behold them and the parents help us do
this because the plants have this this
energy of connection just intelligence
and they help us work with these
journeys so I help people journey
through the use of plants to connect
with the healthy ancestors who then we
build relationship with them and they
then can repatriate the wounded like you
said your grandfather he needs to be
taken back into the clan where the
elders whether the indigenous healthy
members of our line then help them heal
and take them back into the light you
said that as you honor the ancestors and
you play the flute and you have the
altar and think you just it's this
spirit of remembrance right
you said you you're able to feel their
energy is that like a physical is it
just a deep knowing you physically do
you feel it because don't forget this
little bit of mitochondrial DNA is a bit
of information that is unchanged like I
said your mom and her brothers your
brothers and sisters your grandmother
and her brothers all have this the same
energy and did resonate and once you
reconnect with them that's your plan you
feel it when I take people on journeys I
always say you will know when you have
connected because you will feel this
powerful unconditional support love and
guidance like it touches you on the
adrenals it's it's your life for how did
we get here
we got here because about the the toil
and the work of our ancestors we we are
just a continuation and this energy we
need to reconnect with uncoolest
Christian and the church
industrialization colonization
want us to be connected to our truth
power are truthful that comes from the
earth that comes from these these people
that were close to the earth that knew
what they were doing but now with all
the [Â __Â ] that's going off now in here
this is why they're calling us they have
the knowledge of how to get back to
harmony with the earth that's good
I had a and I want to talk to you about
this connection to I know kind of
jumping ahead but it seems like all of
this stuff's connected anyway so I feel
like gonna go back and forth I had a
deep what would you would call a hero
dose of psilocybin mushrooms and we took
it on the native-american grounds we
rented a cabin out there and we did it
and there was definitely the ancestral
spirits and it was hey we're here we're
watching over you there was like angelic
presence that was there
there was a reassurance that hey all of
your ancestors have been to this very
place that you're doing it's lost this
was a rite of passage that we all took I
mean I've studied it I know it but it
was like different to be on the land and
on the ground and just be comforted that
hey this is your rite of passage
we're with you you know and so yeah so
crazy well I work with psilocybin and my
husband as I said is a psychiatrist and
we sit for people who are doing heroic
business Ivan and I myself and I believe
and more I work with this plant medicine
the more I see that actually today the
overriding for that is coming through on
to the planet is ancestor and this plant
medicine is here for that now it is
guiding us and I myself when I take her
roses vibrant I feel their ancestors
with me I walk with them that I feel
them walking in my body we are one and
this is what I believe is the biggest
open
of the transformation that we need in
the world today and it you know we can't
change the world with the same ways that
are destroying it
so we can only change it with new ways
new medicines different ways of
approaching it and I think it's within
each one of us to reconnect and to use
these plants that have the wisdom and
know what we need to do something to
move forward in the situation we're in a
- I do - you do is there a difference
though when it comes to fungus and in
plants there's this debate that I mean a
lot of people say that it's not even
from here this the way that you know
mushrooms are able to grow and and
they're just they're just totally
different from plants do you have a
distinction there when it comes to
plants I mean I know it kind of grows
through the mycelium so it's definitely
connected to the earth is there a
difference in a distinction there versus
plants versus mushrooms I don't really
see the difference between plants and
mushrooms what I see is the way I look
at it is I see that each living member
of the plant world or vegetable world or
vegetation world
I see the plant or the mushroom as just
a physical manifestation but what we're
actually working with is the being
behind the physical manifestation so
another group of plants that are doing a
lot of work in the world today are tree
the master tree the trees that have been
here for thousands of years and the way
when I connect with those trees what I'm
connecting with isn't the tree with this
you know that the trunk and the word and
the leaf is the being behind the form
what is the being that manifested this
physical manifestation what is it being
behind the psilocybin it's not the
actual mushroom it's the being the
brought this mushroom and its molecules
into existence there was an energy
behind that which is the soul the beer
yeah Terence Mckenna has kind of uh
likened it to a walkie-talkie with like
like this is the way to speak with the
angels or the ancestors or if you will
and I really I really like that analogy
because it's there's these technologies
peer atchoo technologies that are in the
DNA of the plants that allow us to
connect with higher beings aspects of
our higher self and the spirits that are
behind the plants and so talking about
that a little bit it could be scary for
a lot of people but there is a lot of
people listening to this who are in
westernized church and Christianity and
you know shamanism and the plants and
things like that it could be scary
sorcery even unclean spirits or demonic
deceiving spirits that want to contact
you and possess you through the plants
are there any is there any negative
energies or beings that want to come
through not saying that they're
uncomfortable beings are our art on
negative because just because something
feels different it's for and it's
uncomfortable that doesn't mean it's
negative evil demonic but are there any
of those types of energies on the other
side that are like deceptive that want
to get through through plants and things
like that well really I mean there's a
lot to say on this subject but the thing
that we've noticed I do consultations
with my husband with people all over the
world and actually the most purr-turbing
energy that comes from what we could say
is the spirit world comes from like you
said if we don't work with the healthy
ancestors if we don't heal are named
ancestors that have been traumatized and
wounded and are suffering from addiction
and the suffering from or has suffered
from addiction who suffered from
violence if these are the energies if we
don't bring them into consciousness and
we don't look at our line and connect
with the healthy ancestors and work with
them what happens is unconsciously we
relive the wound of our ancestor
and we too have problems with addiction
with violence with abuse with not making
are reaching our full potential in the
world because if we don't bring the
wounds of our ancestors and then connect
with the health counselors if we don't
bring this whole lineage into
consciousness and reconnect with our
clan then the unconscious just keeps on
repeating these stories until someone
becomes the Shaymin of the line now not
everyone but there's someone in every
lineage it is the Shaymin of that
lineage and their responsibility is to
work with and heal the line with working
hand in hand with the healthy ancestors
and unless we do that somebody will
always one or several members of a
lineage that is born in the next
generation will repeat and that's why
you get in in the reservation when you
get in in gearing that's where the
people that I come from you get a lot of
alcoholism you get a lot of addiction
you get a lot of abuse because either
these are just being repeated he has to
bring it into consciousness so for me
that's where the main traumatic negative
them and we look at their line and we
see that the grandfather suffered from
this and this has never been dealt with
or the grandmother you know lost five
children through being killed by
whatever you know if we don't look at
this and you don't heal this it will be
repeated so for me that's the most
negative of spiritual comes through the
and the other thing is plants I went
with a lot of plants that protects so
when we're working with this type of I
work with plants that are full of light
if I feel there's a danger in a line of
something coming through that we don't
need that people are tuning in to very
negative members of their ancestry then
we'll work with plants like from John's
work that is really cases the devil what
type of when we say spirits let's kind
of break that down for just a layperson
getting into this again McKenna and some
of the different people he's worked with
over the years talk about that every
different plant has a spirit behind it a
goddess and Angel some type of
benevolent for
force for the most part and even the
food the plants that we eat that's the
you know I'm saying the nourishment for
our bodies and that we need to learn to
respect the plants and there's this
mutual respect that needs to happen does
every do you believe that every plant
every living sentient you know plant has
a spirit or or is it is it are they all
connections to one spirit or one like
groups and the ethers in these different
plants kind of again I like the
walkie-talkies or are the the plants
themselves embodied with this spirit how
does that really work the way that I
feel it is that every plant has its own
being its own spirit but that would so
that all for example take the oak tree
every oak tree is connected to the same
clearing so when you talk to one oak
tree you're communicating with all the
oak tree does that make sense yeah yeah
so it's almost like just with the
different groups or whatever yeah it's a
group spirit for each alright so that's
what I thought as far as like um
connecting with the spirits that are
behind the plants now what about do you
get into nature spirits at all as far as
like the elemental kingdoms as far as
like fairies and gnomes and sylphs and
undines and things like that do you look
in to that as well with your work yeah
in 2010 I'm very aware when I'm working
in nature of the different elemental
spirits that make up a place so I will
tune into water and tune into the spirit
of water and tune into how that can be a
healing for for me when I tune into it
how I can work with it or my own healing
and for the healing of the whole the
same when I'm in a place not only do I
tune in and communicate with the
different plants but I'll tune
to the place because each place in
nature like you said when you took the
full assignment and you were in your
your place of your ancestral home you
tuned in and you knew that was your
gateway your portal you were meant to be
there that was your right
so each place feeds us with the spirit
of the place and I think that's very
important not just to home in on the
plants but to to home in on the place on
the mountain we'll spread up a mountain
and we have to be careful because we
need to respect which is where things
like leaving offerings for the
experience
I wasn't even offering I always you know
do something that means that I'm
honoring the fact that they exist is it
is it something that they're like
willing to work with us do you feel like
there's a like they're almost begging
again if they're calling out through
many different means and spiritual
awakening and using the plants like like
dude are they eager to work with people
are they trying to communicate do they
not do they see the Earth's almost
coming to an end like if we keep doing
this kind of things obviously I mean
nature's gonna nature's God like
nature's gonna take over you can if I
leave my car parked for a couple years
that car is gone that car will be
swallowed up and engulfed in so nature's
gonna take care of itself
but do you find that they're like
willing to work with us and they want to
or is it like an is it like a a mutual
thing or is it like we're taking
advantage of them or they're just always
there and say hey this is just what we
do it's on you how does how does that
that work with their and you know when
you when you appear in do they greet you
I've been waiting for you kind of thing
I think we start all plants have their
own sort of personality of their own
energetic resonant so some plants are
harder to get the right people sometimes
are harder to get there than others and
some are right out there yeah you know
once you really get to know me I'm not
that bad after all
exactly I also would like to look at it
in terms of the psyche so the anatomy of
the psyche is that we aren't just the
physical body as you know we're a
physical body we have an emotional body
a mental body we have a spiritual body
but we're also part of what caused the
collective unconscious which is really
the database of the whole of existence
and plants a part of that as well so I
think once we become more and more whole
and more and more aware that we are all
these things and also connected to the
whole then we in a way tune in and
resonate with those beings that are that
are resonating similarly to us so if I'm
really like asking questions about how
to move forward with my ancestry or with
connecting because I you know I'm really
feeling frightened about what's
happening in the world or whatever and I
put it out there and then I go into
nature I believe that will be guided
through the fact that we're all
connected to those plans and beings that
are ready to work with us and that time
you know I was there a herbalist in
Europe I knew all the paths I thought
botany I you know I was intimate with
all those plants as I've grown up with
and then when I moved to North America I
moved to Taos New Mexico and it's a
completely different flora and at first
I thought [Â __Â ] you know I don't feel
connected I don't know who these plants
I'd like being put into a new family and
I don't know anyone and I it's
interesting cuz usually in Europe I'd go
really fast I wanted to know everyone
here I took my time and what I did is I
connected through this part of me in the
collective unconscious and I allowed
those plants that were ready and neat
and we had something to do together just
show themselves so I haven't learned as
many plants I haven't communicated with
many as many plants but the ones I have
have been life-saving you know I had
counseled when I got here and the right
plants which is the other mansur which
is the plant is very connected with
Mexican indigenous people came to me and
really helped me to heal my cancer so I
I do believe that the right plants will
come to us we don't have
be greedy we don't have to force it we
just have to put it out there now the
different ways that were able to
communicate with the plants does it
differ on the way that they're ingested
and we take them in our bodies because
like I've had I've seen there was this
big thing for a couple years in the mid
to late to thousands of salvia divinorum
come in this extract that you could buy
at the gas station or at any head shop
and so teenagers were going get it and
it was it was a powdered extract and
they would smoke it and and it would
shoot them into wherever they would lose
control of their bodies they would drool
they would urinate on themselves they
could they didn't know where they were
it was something that most people said
was scary it wasn't fun there was
nothing to learn I was off since watched
a few documentaries on salvia and the
like they've kind of done that I think
the BBC did a clinical studies on it of
where someone who was a psycho not who
was very connected with with medicines
and and LSD and things like that took it
and then they took a guy from the
corporate world and he took it but they
were chewing on the leaves instead of
smoking it and instantly getting to this
crazy place coming back not knowing
what's going on but what was happening
when they were just chewing the leaves
it was almost like it was they were
taking it differently and it was I guess
the you know genetic compounds were
being released different through that
through their bloodstream a lot slower
maybe it's really powerful and chewing
on the leaf made it to be a lot slower
and to getting into this euphoric state
I know how much amorous worth Hamilton's
pharmacopoeia has a beautiful
documentary where he goes to Mexico and
dust somewhat with a shaman healer lady
that seems imbue Tafoya that he's
chewing on it he's just crying in this
euphoric healing blissful state what is
so the different ways that we consume
whether we smoke it other people who
have said they've smoked it
they've been visited what they said was
like a spirit of a woman that said hey
I'm not to be smoked
I don't want do not do this again don't
enter through this gate type deal is
there a difference there yeah well I
think that's a great question because
first of all I think many plant spirits
are getting in a way they're losing
their souls for example take cannabis
and instead of it being you know
cannabis makes its own constituents in
the way that is right for it when it's
in nature so there's a lot more CBD
which is a antipsychotic which will
balance out the THC and the plant knows
what it's doing
and it offers this and what we've done
is we've we've taken it we want more THC
we've designed these plants that are
completely not what you would find in
nature and we are making so much money
out of it and mate and so I know many
people they only know one plant they're
hooked on cannabis they grow cannabis
but you know they wouldn't know what
another plant is and I think that's
where the soul of the plants get
prostituted and it loses something and
it and the connection to us isn't
healthy
same happen to what binds some
winemaking all over the world yeah you
know a vine is something that's supposed
to grow up trees it's a vine it's not
what it it's what we see in the vineyard
yeah so I think that's one thing the
other thing that I think is really
important is before we even ingest
anything this plant communication is
about you know like you and I are having
this conversation we've never met before
but there's a vibe as an energy going
between us where we want to communicate
and we're sharing information well
that's exactly the same I think the
first step for anyone is to learn to
communicate with plants without having
to ingest them and that's where the
magic is so my teacher in France learned
he worked for 20 years with traditional
practitioners in Africa in Burkina Faso
where plant communication talking to
plants is part of their world like the
kids here know how to read and write
when they go to school the kids there
nobody questions it they all know how to
communicate and it's part of their world
he taught us practical ways of tuning
into plants so first of all you know
feeling back by energetic you know where
the plant ends if you're talking to a
tree or communicating with the tree you
have to feel your way where does that
tree end and it's usually huge the
electromagnetic how can you say it with
a feel the feel of that tree is using
huge so first of all what I learned -
now what I teach is to feel where does
actually begin and end and how can I
feel it and how can I interact with my
own energetic fields I'm not a tree and
one time I build that relationship then
you know one of the things we forget
because of our analytical mind we always
want to control the scenario but just by
tuning into a tree and allowing it to
leave some way to let go of ourselves to
get out of our own way and say yes to
the communication through our heart
doorway and let us plant leader into
their world into what they know is
incredible without having to ingest
anything so for me that's really you
know the first step is to get to know
the plants where you live and really
know them and the traditional
practitioners in Burkina Faso would say
you need to communicate deeply with the
plant nine times before you even start
to know that fun and then the plants
come to you in green I mean I've had
plants protect me in really like
difficult dreams where I was in danger
and from a plant will come I've had the
right plants come to me for healing like
I said from cancer I've had clients like
I was in Seattle area in Washington and
huge forests and we got to know this new
plant called Devil's club and I took
just a couple of drops of the tincture
one night before going to bed
and it I saw it transform my wounds that
I was tearing this is the spirit of it
was so strong and the light came in and
it was very masculine it transformed in
one go
whereas the Year by manhood that I
mentioned was very feminist the dark
goddess and she works with you on a much
deeper sort of long-term levels so the
plants are holding all this information
we don't I think you know once people
should do that before they get on to sit
I burn and other things DMT you know
those are big openers but people need to
take these steps to first say you know
Who am I in nature how do I communicate
with my surroundings
yeah and then that other plants will be
a lot gentle with them but if they know
that they've done the steps that are
needed to you know connect yeah that's
awesome for me it definitely was like
the psilocybin was calling me now I had
I was working with other plants and none
of them really psychoactive I guess to
the to the degree but in in us and I
still tell people this when people ask
me should they use you know psilocybin
mushrooms should they do this I don't
tell anybody they should do anything but
I tell them that if it's calling you
then you have no choice but to do it
because I felt like it was something
that was calling to me of watching
documentaries and I couldn't get enough
of it and it was a healthy fear there
they was scared of it I didn't want to
go into something and lose myself for
hours on in and be in the spirit realm
so there was like tons of research that
just kept presenting itself and - I fell
literally felt like it was calling me to
this song and dance and really helped me
with my purpose and life and kind of
remembering who I am and what I have to
bring to the table and it really changed
my life so even though we talk about
this stuff and it sounds so grandiose
everybody wants to do it and maybe they
should but I'll tell people if it calls
you like if it's calling you then you
really have no choice and I really think
that it was calling me through again the
documentaries in this hunger within me
to want to do more research and make
sure that I heard everyone's story and
hear the horror stories and hear the
good stuff to where I can make an
educated decision and say yes this is
something that I'm ready to move forward
with and I'm ready for this conversation
and when I did it changed my life and I
really do believe in the research and
looking into these things but again
there was other things such as maybe you
know using tobacco we'll go into some
detail about that stuff using tobacco to
to clear the air and then definitely
it's a big with the ancestral spirits
sage Palo Santo
copal resin let's see some of the other
ones I was using what is it blue blue
lotus flowers again I'm using some of
these other things before it was like
diving deep into the world of
psychedelics or anything like that and
it's not even like dove deep it was a
one or two time experience that really
changed me so I really do feel like that
they have the ability to call us and I
guess again going back to what you were
saying about speaking to the trees or
speaking to the plants there's this how
old addage again like you said about
speaking to the flowers and speaking to
the plants to help them to grow and
maybe there was something really to that
you know that's kind of carried on
almost as an old wives tale now and as a
joke in passing go out there and speak
to the flowers and watch them grow but
there's seemingly something there to
that right well definitely I think just
one thing to say about what you were
saying about being caused by the suicide
in I think if people are thinking they
want to do a heroic dosis when a problem
maybe they could start by micro dosing
first getting to know the molecule
getting familiar with it and maybe is
micro dosing and also like I said my
husband and I we sit for people we sat
for 75 year old therapist who's never
done anything to take a heroic dose of
psilocybin but you know we're there
we've done it we know what we're doing
we introduced into it we get them ready
and then there's an integration process
after so you know there are things you
can do to make it safer if you've never
done it before and you're not sure and
just to follow on about you know the
what old wives tale of talking to plants
I think what's interesting and this
again comes from my teacher who worked
with the African tribes the nomadic
tribes from boca de facto the way they
introduced themselves to a clan and they
want to communicate with the plan is
they introduced their lineage they say
to the plants you know these include in
your head but who they are where they
were born who their mother was where she
was born and who their grandmother was
and where she was and plants and the
minute you do that if you stand empty
and you with your heart open and you
entered
yourself through your lineage
straightaway you'll feel the client come
closer because plants are organized in
lineages they understand that they have
a lineage themselves they don't want to
just be some random person hanging out
there they want to know where you belong
where you've come from they want to feel
that you know where you come from what
is the energy that's bringing you here
what is that holding it so that again is
a beautiful link between ancestral
healing and reconnecting with plants
they go hand in hand and just to finish
I think a lot of people who feel called
to the plant is the preparation for
going deeply into their own that's good
going back to two things I wanted to
point out again just kind of going back
to the salvia thing do you have any
experience with with salvia not really
my son has had some experience with it
but no I haven't what about instead of
psilocybin which is the popular one for
the most part but what about Amanita
muscaria and the muscum all have you
have it any working with it in her
healing and finding it very powerful but
I haven't had any okay yeah we got some
retreat set up we're about to partake of
the Amanita and I'm just doing my
research again it's totally different
not even the same thing honestly so kind
of going forward thinking that it's the
same thing and it's not so but I do like
what you said about even the kind of
micro dose or just getting to know it
and that's kind of what it was for me
with the psilocybin going back to that
was we did a just maybe two grams at
first the first time and it was like a
philosophical introspective I need to
get my stuff together this is how I do
it and there was a lot of stuff
communicated but it was so funny because
I went from that and then I was doing
interviews and I was speaking as an
expert
oh yes magic mushrooms are very
beautiful they'll show you about
yourself they'll help you connect and I
was doing all these shows and stuff and
uh but then we went for the hero dose
and I was like I thought I knew I had no
idea because it was almost something
like what people describe as ayahuasca
or DMT these crazy far-out shooting into
the middle of the cosmos most people
don't equate that to like a hero dose
but for me it was like it totally was it
pulled me in and shot me out and was it
was it was intense and but yeah I
started with it wasn't really a micro
dose but it's just a smaller okay I can
feel this you know because there's
feelings there's time is weird and I
know you coaching people let them know
look there's a lot of people who have
bad encounters and feel like they've
died and they're in purgatory because
there's no time and they're staring at
the clock and it's not moving and it's
just this weird feeling that you kind of
get used to and you know that you're
gonna come back you know that things are
gonna kind of you know you know snap
back to normal but it's the fear that
what if it doesn't there's a lot you
know a lot to be said when it comes to
suicide but in those encounter what I've
noticed with people that we sat for is
like I said at the beginning depending
on what our ancestral line is I mean
you're lucky and I'm lucky because we
have indigenous people not far away in
our life but some Northern Europeans
have indigenous people way way back and
you imagine the journey to get home and
the mushrooms I've seen you know people
going through the torment when the
difficulties of getting back to that
place of healthy and dizziness ancestry
is huge
the mushrooms help but it also means you
know if you're aware of it that you have
to go through all the difficulties and
the long journey home and that's part of
the Karma you know if people colonize so
many places then if their clan has done
that for generations and generations and
generations what they've left for their
own for their descendants is there a
really long journey home and I believe
the psilocybin is what helped us do that
so when people are going through a
difficult time
I've noticed when I'm sitting for them
it's often because they're in a
difficult park the journey has and they
have to go through it it's better to go
through it than to back up and get
frightened and you know when you start
to get frightened and think oh you know
I'm gonna die
you're not confronting so we often
prepare people with this ancestral
knowledge and you know so that they know
that this is a journey that and has left
them and that's the only way home is to
go through it for those people who were
listening who may be Christian like I
said we do have up we do have a strong
Christian audience here but it's not all
we have a eclectic audience but for the
question is there any ties to the Bible
at all I mean there's some there's some
there's some interesting things when it
comes to the original anointing oil a
lot of people saying that could have
been cannabis a form of this healing
balm or tincture that was a cannabis oil
there's you know the Holy Communion
which has some weird things going back
to the Amanita muscaria as the research
i'm doing now
but for me i would see like Krissy
because I think the Christian Church
would say that you don't need any of
that
you just need God or you just need Jesus
and I've had people even recently when
we talk about any type of spirits or
angels or demons they don't want to talk
about they just need Jesus or God so you
have those people who understand that
for me in my theology the way I see it
as as God being the universal source of
of love and of light and just of all
that is and and these different beings
are ways that we communicate with the
divine creator through the plants again
being like a walkie-talkie or a portal
to a different aspect of that creator
right and so you know why would you need
to go to the plants when you can go
directly to the Creator type deal is
there any type of way that you would
help kind of bridge
those those ideas because you know I
don't I don't want the necessarily make
people feel like they have to abandon
their faith or abandon their religious
beliefs and things like that to
incorporate their connection with plant
medicines as well you know I said my
school is called aroma notice and gnosis
means the inner knowing through
objective experience and that's what I
really believe I believe that you know I
don't really know something if
somebody's just told it to me what that
isn't wisdom exact information and so
really I think it's up to each one of us
to find our personal myth and our
journey through this bit through our own
experience so I'm not here to tell
anybody what they believe is right or
wrong but what I do say to my students
is gnosis is about your own inner
experience all knowing
so really wisdom and knowledge is what
you know from inside yourself so
whatever you choose on your journey of
life to know through your own experience
is your choice and you know if you've
chosen the Bible then fair enough
as long as you're not just taking that
what other people have said
I'm just saying oh that's the truth if
you're taking it and transforming it
into knowledge through your own journey
with it I'm fair enough yeah yeah I'm
I'm with you on that with the whole
gnosis thing not not being Gnostic per
se but gnosis again knowledge gained
through experience and and that and not
going off on this little tangent too
long but the whole deal with
Christianity as far as let me tell you
what God did for me or how he changed my
life and so people would respond to this
gospel that what God did for so-and-so
versus what God can do with you again
the Bible even bids us alike taste and
see that the Lord is good like there's
this this this invitation with the
Creator to really be connected and not
just respond off of someone else's
experience and stuff and and I know
those experiences kind of create a
hunger within us right when we hear
people's
what happened for one person is able to
be done for us as well so definitely
this song and dance to experience again
now that's getting through experience
and so there's a lot of people I think
listening who who have that belief with
with the gnosis thing cuz you know just
a blind Dogma and religion for the sake
of religion it's going out the window
I'm sorry yeah you know and so the
plants are speaking I think it's the
difference between religion and yeah for
sure
and you can you could still be religious
and spiritual again I don't think you
have to abandon the religion of your
father's or whatever or your foundation
even is what I call it like my
foundation is this this is what I came
into it with were steadily changing
we're steadily evolving every few months
our genetic makeup is changing our body
our gut bacteria and you know the way we
feel in the way we new information comes
and so just being open to that process
and I think the plants play a big part
of that again just understanding what
you put in your body and when we
speaking about that we have to be
speaking about the plants as well that
they have nutrients and things that
we're missing out on because you know
there's a and even that's kind of
becoming more popular now as a whole
vegetarian and you know I'm saying vegan
aspects as well people returning to like
look we are all connected
we were supposed to eat them because
we're missing out on nutrients and
vitamins and things like that so people
are returning to that so again I do
think podcasting and talks like this
really stir the pot for people to do
their own research and don't take my
word for it but the information is out
there it's universal law it's - it's the
same today yesterday and forever it's
not going to change
and so this invitation to the song and
dance with with these spirits if you
will willingly or unwillingly we're
making pacts in communion with all types
of energies that we don't even know
about right and I think you know as you
talk what I'm tuning into is getting
back to our indigenous people in all of
our line so these people have a
spiritual technology wherever they were
in the world
often for example I was in the UK not
long ago and they found the oldest site
that they've excavated in the UK ever
with the oldest forms of homes and they
found these shamanic marks made out of
deer skulls and they're exactly the same
as the Siberian shaman's mass so you
know the indigenous people wherever they
where in the world have a spiritual
technology that was very very advanced
that we you know see the European ethno
botanist and people who studied these
people made it sound like you know the
noble savage and very simple but in fact
when you tune into it I know when I
tuned into my people and now I'm in
connection with those Naga people and I
have researched it and I've gone inside
myself to tune in that spiritual
technology is incredible so really we
all have it in us it's all part of us
and for me it's using the funds from
working with the plants who who are very
aware of this to reconnect with this
ancient spiritual technology that's been
lost that is for me the ultimate reality
mm-hmm
definitely I think they go hand in hand
that was one thing for me is like it's
more you know the more spiritual work
that I did and the more healing it was
like this this invitation to the earth
it was an invitation to nature I mean
simplistic things of going to the beach
and just respecting the ocean you know
what I'm saying of these just being
conscious of small things the wind
blowing like putting your feet on the
ground and just communicating with the
plants are just being in nature and
hiking like this small like doing the
spiritual work would beckon me out into
nature and I think they go hand in hand
let me ask you about this too because
this isn't something that I've practiced
but it's becoming more and more
interesting to me just because I know
it's you know it's a different culture
but you know the Mexican people and the
Day of the Dead which just passed
of this gay like it just seems so like
honoring for and I don't know exactly
how they celebrated I've seen
documentaries and stuff
but it would it would be seems honoring
for the family and friends to get
together and to remember to tell stories
even if it's just one day a year which
us Westerners don't even have we may
have a picture that we walk by often
times not even that but this day where
you you can get together and tell
stories and drink if you will and be
festive and remember the beautiful
things that those family members have
brought to the table there's a Disney
movie I believe it is it just came out
Coco which also lit a fire in me about
this whole thing as well yeah very
interesting what do you have to say
about the Day of the Dead you have any
experience with that and do you do that
daily how does that work for you
yes well the Day of the Dead is one
example of one culture that has kept
their ancestral collection and their
ancestor veneration but remember that
all cultures had some form of this
connection all of them every
civilization on the earth and that's why
this relationship was so important and
what's interesting about cocoa and the
Day of the Dead
ah the marigolds plus the marigolds
flowers so these flowers were actually
used before the Mexicans and the day in
the Day of the Dead because they were
used by the Aztecs and they were used
for the same reason the Aztecs have it
there today that was actually not in
November it was in August I think the
Day of the Dead actually as very intense
beginning of November but the aspect
that was in August that see the Marigold
have this energy of light and what they
usually saw it in the film in cocoa but
the mangos have been used for thousands
of years as a to light up the pathway
for the ancestors to get back to the
festivities of the Day of the Dead and I
use in my work with people I use the
Marigold essential oil the aroma of
marigold and what I do is with
drumming and the use of this plant I
will lead them the other way so I'll
lead them through the light and the
scent of this plant back to that healthy
answer and this is one of the main
plants that I used in the appealing
journey oh that's awesome
yeah we did I mean yeah I didn't even
put two and two together at least I
don't remember it but yeah that's
interesting I have to look that up again
so you you you you mentioned essential
oils
it's just essential oils and
aromatherapy and these oils and looking
at even like I'm back to the Bible a lot
but seeing how you know the the the Magi
brought Jesus frankincense and things
like this in it like this you know send
the different myrrh the different
healing properties that are within these
these plants and in in these resins and
things like that and they do so much
right i mean i'm not--that's probably a
whole podcast just on aromatherapy of
lighting a candle and in just that scent
putting your body in a relaxed state I
remember one of the first times we lit
an aromatherapy candle in the house and
and it felt like we were all high we
were just really relaxed sunk into the
couch it was like I feel like I've been
either drinking or smoking but we
haven't done anything just by I forget
what scandal it was but it just relaxed
everybody in there and it was really
cool and just the the scent with our
genetic makeup and our you know what it
does to our bodies and again going back
to the Bible the Bible says were
fearfully and wonderfully made that God
or the Creator created us and that scent
and that flower knowing that there's a
connection that we need it when we need
to relax we don't need to drink sick a
six-pack we can light this candle and
just fall into that scent and just be
relaxed and there's all of this
interesting spiritual yet earthly it's
not esoteric we just forgot about all of
this stuff yeah well the smell is one of
our least
you know we've kind of let it go we
haven't realized the importance of our
sense of smell and one of the things to
remember is that all our other senses
get filtered by the thalamus so for
example if your sense of touch wasn't
tilted by the thalamus the clerk the
thalamus the clothes that you are
wearing would drive you crazy because
you're just receding them all the time
the same if your site was insulted by
the thalamus you'd be going crazy
because you wouldn't see just what you
want to look at everything would be
coming in every single thing in your
visions same with hearing you filter out
a lot of what you the background noise
you can just concentrate on what you
want to hear but the sense of smell goes
straight to the thalamus it is the only
sense that's not filtered and the
thalamus is you know next of Olympic
frame which is where these emotions and
feelings take place so they the sense of
smell immediately triggers memories
emotions and works with the unconscious
realms which are the realms of wisdom
that we are not conscious of so you know
it's really important and not only there
are so much smells for example I
distilled you have a mouth so the plant
I told you about was my husband we have
a small skill and most fabulous just
tincture it and use it for women's
issues but it smelt really good the root
so we did we distilled it and we live in
an Earthship in the mountains where
there are no joining walls so the kids
were seed but you know the smell of the
distilling went all around the house and
that night my husband went bad and I
stayed downstairs and I went into this
sort of space that was more like I was
hallucinating and it went took me really
deep and I was working on like I said my
my issues that why I had this cancer and
then I went upstairs my husband our
windows just look out we call it the
control centers we have these huge
Earthship windows that look out into the
mountains and into the sky and we look
at the stars and the planets and pitch
night we I lay there with him and we
were looking at them as venus was coming
straight for us I felt like we were on a
trip but all we've done is distilled
this plant and then the next day we
started to geek out and research and we
found that one of the molecules in this
pond is a precursor to make four
so you know we were actually getting the
psychotropic effects of the aroma of the
plant and it gave us a huge learning it
gave us a teaching so you know some of
these smells aren't just you know nice
smells nod was mentioned in the Bible
Mary Magdalene put it on Jesus's feet
and we use we don't use it anymore
because it's non-sustainable it's a
small plant that's in overharvested but
when we did use it we used it a lot for
grounding it brought people back to
earth people that were like out of their
bodies and not anchored and then we
would use the knife to bring them back
in now we use other plants but you know
these plants have very very beautiful
intelligence and it's like the souls the
scent of the sun's brightness all of the
plants are getting back to the day of
the dead of the Marigold imagine its
plant the smell of the plant and the
light of the plant has been used for
thousands and thousands and thousands of
years well what better plant to get you
to connect with your ancestors
so that plant that is the road has been
trodden from for these from these
peoples thousands of years just can't
know that it's that it's the road well
well walk the plant knows what it's
doing it's been used for this for
thousands and thousands of years so we
use another to shadow work you know a
lot of the ancestral stuff it's in
people's shadows and we have one plant
labs in them which is like a resin that
a sergeant dude that takes it straight
into the shadow and digs up the stuff
that we need to bring forth and look at
so we can move on in our lives so you
know I use the plant way we use and as I
said my husband's a psychiatrist
we use them to the mind use them
journeying we use them for powerful and
so we're always I have a website called
Cathy's battles calm where we have
really kicked out all over the world
just those plants with the smell that we
know are going to be powerful what's
that say that was like one more time
Cassie's a car so Cassie with an S and
then a TT ARS calm and it's where we
just we pick the very very special plant
to work
awesome I'm have to check that out yeah
so you know somebody's plants were
talking about it just like as far as
like the hallucinogens or they do like a
really you got to kind of be ready to do
this spiritual work type deal are there
some of these planets as far as like
sage or again tobacco or different
resins and stuff like that that you
could you can or or do use on a daily
basis like almost like vitamins or
something something that you start your
day with even yeah for example you know
it depends where people are at and I
won't use the same plant all the time it
depends what I need but one plant will
use a last look on my website is Yara's
and we use yarrow it's really the
wounded healer Sun it's the plant for
people who are healing but who are
healing themselves first and then
helping others but it also I use it a
lot for boundaries so you know people
who are in plastics or who you know
especially this time of year there are
parties were at parties people are
supposed to be having festivities it's
Christmas but what people really need is
to feel safe in their own personal space
so if I'm working with someone or myself
and I feel like my boundaries are being
infringed on and I'm taking up other
people's energies I'll take a drop of
yarrow and I'll put it around me if I
get up in the morning and that protects
me it keeps me in my own place personal
space when people can't come into my
space I'll use grounding like Angelica
leads from i seated myself I'm not
grounded when I I'm not earth enough and
I also make incense with a lot of the
resins which I use on my own festivals
so I'll collect the resins where I live
in the mountains the pine resin the
Ponderosa resin and then I'll mix them
with other residents that I buy like
frankincense myrrh profile and I'll burn
them on my altar for my ancestors and
another thing that I think is good for
people is to tune into where your people
were from and what were the plants they
would have used what were the plants
that they really had an intimate
relationship with that they healed with
which they at and get into those plants
and you know because you have that in
your blood you have that in your in you
this connection just it seems like it
just keeps getting deeper and deeper the
more research that you do and yeah we
came out of the earth we're going back
to the earth our connection with oxygen
and and in the trees if they don't exist
and we don't exist you know looking at
you know bee pollen the bees that
collect gallon from the flowers and if
we partake of that honey
then it helps our immune system and it
helps our allergies like they're kind of
helping like serve us with this medicine
again with the pollen and things like
that
it gets very intricate with our diet and
all of this stuff in that we're more
connected and I think people need to
research this stuff a lot more and it is
is it intimidating at all some of it may
seem intimidating of people not knowing
you know I'm saying where to start we've
mentioned several you know plants and
things like that is there a good place
to start I know you have a lot of
courses on your website as a bunch of
free research resources as well I'm one
of Kathy's Attar's dot-com and uh a lot
of info there as well where could
somebody start because us going over
this huge overview seems you know it
seems like a lot but it's something
prior to go Apple can incorporate in
their life yeah I think the best way to
start is to get to know the nature
nearest to you so if you even live in a
city it could be in a park just go and
tune in to the trees that live in the
same environment as you but instead of
breathing the same air as you that are
doing is you know that a subjected to
the same outside forces as you and go
and connect with them rather than just
walking your dog in the park and icing
is obvious up the tree go to the tree
light a candle honor it tune into it
just or if you live in the countryside
get out there and don't go out there
with your friends and your you know your
family because then you just end up
talking go into nature on your own
that's one of the things that I think
people don't do enough people don't go
into nature on their own
so if they do go in there with their
friends they with their family their
chatting the dogs running they call in
the dogs are doing this having a picnic
no just go into nature walk in it takes
your time it's like a church go in there
and feel it and little by little you
start to tune in more and more and then
you can start doing some classes my my
class on intuitive plant communication
takes you through it it holds you by the
hand and it takes you through on all the
different levels of how to practically
tune into those phones write a journal
sit down by the tree feel the tree write
all these little things just get out
there and tune in and honor and collect
them collect some plants and things that
attract you don't take them if you don't
know what they are just start to learn
them one by one you know but it's not
accurate it's like it's like we're blind
people are blind to what's actually gets
on your front door fit yeah that's good
that's good especially going out there
by yourself just because you're more
focused and if you want this spiritual
encounter it's hard it's hard
incorporating other people I've had so
many encounters by myself it's almost
like I'm lying about it because most of
the time about myself you know and I try
to bring other people and they just it
just doesn't it's not the same but when
you by yourself you're not tuned into
what are they thinking are they having a
good time were they comfortable are they
feeling it yeah but by yourself like you
get no brownie points there is no you
know there's nothing that's you know
that that that even has your attention
you don't have to entertain someone or
even be with in their presence but you
being by yourself it really opens it up
to experience you know the communication
with with those you know saying with the
elements and stuff yeah anything just
you said about food start to drink some
herbal tea yeah you know stop there I
remember when I was a kid I left my
family home and I went to London to
study and I was 17 18 and I had a little
apartment and I started buying camomile
and making camomile tea yes and I
remember to this day it changed me
in just four you know instead of
drinking soda in the evening make that
nice Kevin Marty don't fight in a sachet
by the plant from a herbal store will
collect some plants and nature that you
know and make the tea's ceremonially you
know take your time make a be careful of
how you make it and drink that tea and
that in itself you're ingesting the
plant world how did it felt and the
other thing I wanted to say before was
with the psilocybin and other plant
medicines like that always make an
intention intention is really important
where am I going what do I want to learn
what what are my intentions be very
clear about what our intentions are
because if we don't care where we're
going then we could be taking anyway so
really know where you want to go yeah
that's good I just got into the the
chamomile as well so that's something
that I just incorporate it yeah that's
great that and uh some of these other
other plants someone mentioned turmeric
turmeric is a really good one yeah a lot
of people are I remember listening to an
interview with George Noory from coast
to coast am and they asked him you know
before the interview was over there any
secrets is there anything that you would
like the people to to know is there
anything that we need is like turmeric
I've been taking turmeric capsules every
day and it's doing wonders you know I'm
saying for my health and I yeah I'll
take it to up I put tumeric in
everything I can put it in my coffee and
put it on my whether I'm eating chicken
or vegetables or anything it literally
goes with anything to put it in my
coffee and not even you know be a big
you know disservice to the taste it
actually tastes pretty good and goes
with a lot of stuff but um what about
what about the spiritual uses of tobacco
that's something again that's like kind
of been demonized with the big tobacco
companies and cancer and all of this
kind of stuff with with tobacco but you
know tobacco is a very sacred plane as
well right yeah well I think it's
interesting that songs like that which
were really very very sacred and there
were songs to go with
you know in Peru there are these sacred
songs that that are used when you're
using tobacco and tobacco is also used
for ancestral connections but I think
it's interesting when these sacred
plants get used in the wrong way and
then they turn against mankind and I
think in a way that we have to be
careful with cannabis in the same way we
have to be careful with ayahuasca you
know when people take it and just abuse
then the plant will turn these cons are
stronger than we are in terms of their
fighting yeah and and they you know if
we try and make a quick way to get to
the plant one oh yeah then we might not
be able to get back that's right
communicating with plants just without
ingesting them by by the things that I
teach in my class by letting the plant
leads away by all these different things
in a way we're learning how to get to
the plant world and we learn how to get
and if we abuse plants they either turn
against us or we get somewhere but we
don't yeah for me there's a there's a
disconnect for me now with with
marijuana and because I abused it as a
kid and now there's a disconnect with my
body and I think I mess something up or
neurotransmitters have kind of synapses
in the brain and it's that it's a
disconnect now and I can't I can't I
can't use it anymore because I abused it
as a kid and so that connection there is
kind of kind of off for me now other
people can and they're fine but um but I
do see that and again there's a lot of
studies and stuff like that being done
because it's because of the stuffs
become a more popular instead of going
to you know kind of what you mentioned
the whole set and setting
is the place that you're doing it people
are taking DMT in capsules at parties
and things like that and and and there's
a lot of people go into the Amazon to
have these retreats and there's an
there's intention there against set and
setting
there are retreats being opened up in
the u.s. that have legally
where they can use these these plant
medicines and things but it's being I
don't know if it's if it's it's a good
thing but you have to be careful you
know you don't want to abuse anything
and and I've been I've been in in in and
shamanic journeys and stuff with people
who want to do it every weekend like
that yeah you know the five grams of
psilocybin friends were like I'm ready
to do this next week and I was like you
I don't think you had this same
experience that I had there's no way
there's no way this is gonna take me
months to unpack all of this information
you know and all of this stuff and and
then they went out and they tried to
abuse it and when it comes to these
teachers I don't think they'll let you
abuse it I don't think I don't and he
cuz he had a very bad experience was
begging for it to stop and set and
setting was out the window and had loud
crazy music on at a party and noting it
wasn't done in a ritualistic fashion
there was no like we were fasting we
were getting our bodies ready we weren't
eating any meat like we were going into
it with intention you have to respect it
you have to they're going to make you
there's no when you when you go on a
deep journey like that with some of
these stronger teachers let me ask you
this before we go do you think that
again just just where we are now with
this disconnect from nature you
mentioned that you know the you know the
world leaders or are the people who
govern Society or govern free thought or
whatever like do you think that this was
done on purpose that they wanted to
separate us from nature so that we would
be reliant upon them I mean they're even
taking things out of nature and changing
up the genetic makeup of these plants
and of things that you can literally get
some of this bark chew on it in your in
your headaches gone so they'll take it
and they'll modify it and add all types
of stuff to do research and it's not the
same thing anymore much like you know
you talked about the marijuana it's not
the same thing
so they're using it so they see the
power in it they're going to it and
they're doing surgery on it and giving
us something totally different the free
things that God gives us that come from
the earth they're making it illegal and
schedule one let's look at kratom as
well helping people get off opiate
addiction they've just I'm in Alabama
it's schedule one if you have it you're
going to jail you know and so you have
to go to them you got to go to the big
pharma to be able to get suboxone or
whatever it is I try to come off of
these substances that your body's
addicted to now is this by accident did
we accidentally get here or do you think
that this is like some sinister plot by
design to have control over the masses I
think it's a power game so I think the
you know it all is in the hands of power
and the power has taken over and I think
you know if we go back to connecting
with nature connecting with our ancestry
we once we're connected
we know from where we've come from we
know who we are we belong to ourselves
so we're much less
easily manipulated into the games that
are being played for power and that's
exactly what they don't want you know it
it's much easier to disconnect people so
that they're less force to feed into the
system that have its own power at the
Helms rather than seeing our own master
so that's really where I think it is
it's about you know they don't want
people to feel that they're connected to
their healthy ancestors and they're
tuning into their own knowledge and
their own wisdom that comes through
their line they don't want people to
feel you know once you feel really
connected to nature and you know it's
alive and it resonates within you and
you can go and find your you know your
mojo in that then you're not giving your
energy to the system and the system
thrives on having your energy hold it so
that's why I think they either
consciously or unconsciously I think
it's a system that taken you know the
energy of the system is just becomes
loop
that it it sort of takes on its own
leadership but I don't know whether it's
conscious or unconscious but I do know
that it does not want them to be
connected to anything other than it yeah
now what about in this opens up a whole
can of worms is in probably another
podcast but what about transhumanism and
how we're merging with technology like
it's inevitable this is happening it's
speeding up everyday cellphones you know
it but but we look at technology and
we're using it to our advantages me and
you were able to talk we got thousands
of people listening to this all over the
world there's good you know uses for
technology there was a time where I was
kind of getting mad at technology and
and because it's mimicking spiritual
technology as well like we're supposedly
all connected with all these people but
we're so disconnected spiritually at the
same time we can't stop it though so to
be on this this revolution like we need
to return back to nature and turn it all
off like there's people who are trying
to make those stands as well but there
should be a healthy balance would you
agree that there would be a balance of
nature and technology and there's a way
to balance that all together versus
being you know anti this or anti that
yeah I think it's you know like anything
it's how we use it I mean you know
carrots are good for you but if you only
ate carrot you probably turn orange or
whatever and what I think is dangerous
is the small ways that we use technology
especially kids and mobile phones these
little actions of getting a getting a
reaction from the tech getting are
they're getting of that it feeds this
part of us that is looking for meaning
that is looking for connection but in a
way that is not the real connection
that's gonna feed our soul and so I
think it's really important to know how
we're using technology and to discipline
ourselves and to teach kids other things
so that because but I think that's where
the frightening thing is is where
people's don't let go their phone
like they cannot i sat in a museum in
London and it was a Natural History
Museum and I thought people would come
up whatever sitting at the problems of
stairs near a exhibition part of it and
people come up they see something that
took their interest but instead of
walking over to it and look at it they
put their hone in front of it so they
didn't actually look at it they took a
filterable so it's like they don't even
even see things anymore they just put it
on that home yeah
and I think that's where you know we
have to really think and spend as much
time in nature as we spend in in
technology has to be balanced yeah very
hard because technology is addictive
yeah um that's interesting you say that
because like the studies show that when
we when we take that picture of whatever
it is is that we're like creating the
synapses in our brain that just say I
don't need to remember this yeah because
I have a need to look at it I don't even
need to look at it my sister looks at it
for me mm-hmm so they don't even you
know before we would look at something
that interested us and we stay there for
a moment is really look at it why does
it interest us what am I seeing
but instead they put the phone and I
think that's enough so it's in the phone
but they haven't looked at it and they
haven't remembered it it's scary because
the next generation my daughter she's 15
they came up knowing this and it's
gotten worse since she was a kid right
but but their brain is already
accustomed to that and I know it that's
that's that's their normal like the way
the brain works like the dopamine being
released or you got a text or you got a
like or you got a tweet I know it yeah
because it's happened to me as well cuz
I feel it and I wasn't like you know
what I'm saying like it's new for me but
for them it's like from birth so yeah
the balance were getting back in nature
or putting the phone down like I feel
the sense of panic of getting in my car
and driving without my phone my brain
goes to what if I get a flat no one's
gonna stop and help me I need my phone
to call someone I was at a phone I was
without a phone for two weeks it felt
really good if not good there was a fear
there but it literally felt it felt good
yeah it's strange yeah there's a
liberation there's a [Â __Â ] race but I
haven't got my phone there's a sort of
freedom and but I have noticed that you
know if I'm somewhere there's no
internet I feel like I'm disconnected
yeah but inside you know we're having
this conversation about connecting with
plants and nature and that's supposed to
be esoteric and on the other hand we're
all connected to this sort of crazy
internet world of high-tech but you know
when I want to find information on
internet you have to really look for it
but if you just like I was wait at the
time you put something into Google and a
load of [Â __Â ] comes up you have to really
if you want the information that you
really want you have to know how to use
it and go deep and find it so even that
we connect if you want a load of rubbish
now and this is again opens up so much
like everything like there's like
agendas behind it on how to think which
articles we're gonna let you find no
you're not gonna find this this episode
we're gonna show you this other episode
by one of our people who's paid us a lot
of money to be here
whether it's ad space or whatever but
just the algorithms of suppressing you
know even under some of these videos you
have the Wikipedia okay they're talking
about plant spirits but here's a
Wikipedia fact that says that plants
don't have like there's a lot of that
weird stuff going on trying to tell
people how to think and even so with the
internet be enough a free market or
something it's it's not anymore it
started out as that we've been able to
kind of tap in and and organically grow
because of people looking for whatever
they want you type it in Google hey Here
I am
but now it's become muddy the waters are
muddy now because of Technology because
of the the you know the big corporate
industries who are playing a part of
this now the leading people shutting
down accounts because they have
narrative that goes against what they
believe very interesting trying to
navigate through these waters and I'm I
think that now more than ever this this
interview needs to you know to be heard
to be had and and and I think that
returning to nature now again is sexy
now it is growing that people are doing
it they're they're asking they don't
know what else to do
and it is that resurgence of the Bible
says seek ye out the ancient path and
there go back to that it says in there
you will find rest for your soul to go
back to the ancient ways
the indigenous ways to the woods to the
mountains to the shamans to the plant
journeys and just kind of reset refresh
and renew through through nature and it
we have to be balanced and yeah I don't
even think we could balance so even
though I say balance go into nature more
because it's not even gonna offset what
we've learned in like trying to like
uncondition ourselves and unlearn a lot
of this stuff that by default I didn't
you know it's just there but it can we
have to combat it and we have to be
vigilant I believe in and we have to
continue to get this information out and
I want to just say something to end with
in terms of internet and plant
communication so you know I noticed it
just this week that I was looking up
something online and then everything
that I went on on Google that thing came
onto the page and as an advert that and
I just thought this is crazy but what I
want to say is when client communication
and the natural world have a magic to it
that works in a similar way so if I open
a door to the soul of a plant and to
communicating with a plant and to
connecting with nature I often see these
coincidences and the wave plant come in
and will do the same thing in a way
instead of it being a pair of shoes that
come up with an advert everything will
happen in the plow
make itself known like you said you were
cool and so plants work in the same way
as internet but it's a wholesome way
it's a natural way it's our birthright
it's our natural way of being and what
we need to do is say hey I need to be
more vigilant and more discerning in
terms of what I'm doing on my computer
on my phone but I need to open up in the
same way as I'm open to that to the
plant world and to see how that internet
connection with the natural world and
with our ancestors is coming through
which what am I going to listen to me
yeah that's the question we have to yeah
I mean I think consciousness works in
the same way it is a part of
consciousness and our consciousness is
connected with the plants our
consciousness is connected with the
universal brain the global web the real
web that we are all literally connected
we are all expressions of one another
and we can feel we know when people are
going through stuff we can feel it down
in our gut our hearts may even hurt when
when someone else loses a loved one that
we didn't even know just because they
are grieving there's so many deep
intricate ways that work were connected
and even it shows itself through
synchronicity of God the universe of
numbers repeating over you you say
something and then there it is
everywhere right again with the ads the
weird thing is that they're copying
consciousness they're copying the way
that consciousness works with the global
web taking it from the global brain
synchronicities we say something the
universe works in something in such a
way that when you are looking for
something you'll find it and I think
that I think these people I think they
know it so they're kind of copying
consciousness so how you looked for that
ad there's pros and cons like if someone
is spending ad revenue and they want to
sell a product you're the one who looked
it up I would rather see ads for
something that I want thence be sold
something that I didn't want like right
now I to ads in particular I looked up a
t-shirt from a band and I looked up
garden gnomes I'm looking for I want
some more garden gnomes to put outside
of my little garden and and I'm seeing
these little no
every time I turn my phone on and I'm
showing my wife I was like Walmart
really wants me to buy this so it's it's
not like you know we created that but
then we're not even going to get into
the whole aspect of the things that
they're able to sell us that we didn't
want you know that's the whole thing but
at least I look that up you know and
it's things that I was interested in so
go ahead and plug your website you have
so much everything that we talked about
and more on on your website your courses
are amazing and full of info plug your
website and where people can check out
more about what you have and bring to
the table okay thank you so my my main
website is aroma gnosis comm AR Maga and
s is calm and that's my school and on
that school we have a client
communication class and we have a really
good class on plants and ancestors
ancestral healing and a plant
ayuh class on aromatherapy and medicine
of the soul so there are other classes
as well but those are the main classes
and then my second website is Daphne's
asam and that website is where we sell
flower essences which are subtle
vibration or medicines and aromatherapy
essential that we have chosen very
specifically so there aren't that many
on there because there's a load of ship
out there and we only want the high
vibrational essential oils they're
really going to help work with the
psyche so those are my two sites and I
have a Facebook page Kathy skipper a
Facebook page aroma gnosis and the same
on Instagram so I'm just really happy
that we have this conversation because I
didn't say what it was going to be and
it's been a good connection hekia
awesome I'm reading the comments here on
YouTube and Facebook and everybody's
just like so encouraged and have
something to say I wish I could open up
the phone lines I was trying to get the
technology down there's a lot of people
who want to call in but we'll definitely
have that open again for the next time
that excuse me that you come on and I
really enjoyed it a lot thanks so much
for hanging out with me I really
appreciate it yeah I just wanted to say
my husband who's a holistic psychiatrist
who's worked a lot with psychedelics
you could just send us an email and you
could interview him because he has a
very scientific approach to all this one
might be an interesting conversation for
sure I will do that thank you so much
Kathy I really appreciate it have a good
one thank you yeah not the blog Wow
Kathy skipper
Wow the plants indigenous medicine
medicine
it's called medicine for a reason again
when we think about plant medicines and
that and people are scared like that
that they'll abuse it or they take too
much of it I look at I look at
psilocybin like if you just take a
mighty mention micro dosing micro dosing
Google that has so many benefits of just
waking up and taking just just putting
it in your system I don't it's micro
doses there for everybody but maybe just
maybe just a cap maybe just a stem
whatever it is just so that it's
integrated within your system and just
it allows you to feel connected to
everything and everyone if helps you to
feel more peaceful be more intuitive be
more at ease and it's just the benefits
for me are out of this world
neurogenesis fixing the brain regrowing
brain cells as they said neurogenesis
looking at the benefits of a psilocybin
encounter even on a small experience now
if you eat a big handful if you eat you
know 2 grams it's gonna be a little bit
more intense you're gonna really feel it
if you do five grams you're probably
gonna be shot in the outer space but the
same is to be said when someone is sick
what do you do when you're sick you
ingest something you put something in
your body again going back to some of
the the medicines such got some
bare-root back here which is a medicine
you chew on the root right looking at
tylenol in advil robitussin when you get
sick you go immediately to these things
and if you take just enough you're good
take take a little bit too much um
nyquil watch what happens you will talk
about hallucinating and woozy and
getting drunk
I know people who used to drink
mouthwash to get drunk so all of these
things that can be used and are here for
these medicines they can be abused if
you do too much if you do it too often
robitussin even we used to get
robitussin gel tabs as teenagers and if
you had a headache you eat one or two
and you're good we used to eat the whole
pack and we would get messed up here
would just just be intense it's so much
over-the-counter stuff that you can get
intake and it would send you into some
weird psychotic high your we used to
take no dose this was over-the-counter
pills there were these little had little
plus signs on there for truckers
caffeine pills and for truckers who were
having problems staying awake behind the
wheel and we would eat five six seven
eight we had a whole bunch of them no
dose and when someone would touch you on
the top of your head you would feel
these ripples go all down your body
because we ate too much we abused them
this would this was somewhat of a
medicine for a trucker needing to stay
awake just on extra caffeine but you
take too much your body's tingling
you're in this weird space same thing if
you take too much of any medicine you
can die and then looking at the genetic
makeup again going back to the bare root
looking at tylenol if you if you look it
up tylenol and and what's in it there's
the ingredients our roots there's a
certain route I don't know which route
it is a machine
there's certain routes in barks that are
in in these drugs that are just found in
nature so Big Pharma is taking these
god-given plants and and and things and
routes and barks and all of this stuff
and they're changing the genetic makeup
though it's not like they're just taking
it and giving it to you in pill form now
your headaches gone but if you take too
much you're gonna have liver failure
your headaches gone but you have bowel
problems you had eggs gone but you can't
operate heavy machinery
right there's all of these weird side
effects and again we if they're kind of
a joke now laying in bed at night
watching television and you hear about
these different pills to cure restless
legs syndrome yeah you can keep your
legs still but some of the side effects
are some of the stuff is suicidal
thoughts better off keeping that
headache or just going again
so much stuff here bare root or the
what's called the osha roof right here I
have some right here
protection spiritual and physical you
can burn them we used to just choke on
it so chew on it chew on bare root and
if you had a headache it's got kind of a
minty flavor as well I mean there's so
much stuff that's already out there that
Big Pharma is taking in branding and and
they're like all the strong ones like
all the good ones for the most part
they're making it illegal it's illegal
to have psilocybin mushrooms so even if
you would listen to a podcast like this
and you would want to do it you're gonna
have to jump through some hoops you're
gonna have to do something illegal to
get it to get this medicine
again going we're talking about kratom
helping people it's like a kind of a
natural muscle relaxer and I don't know
if I'd call it a muscle relaxer but it
uh it if you have aches in your body it
helps so helping people come off of
opiate addiction kratom but now within
the last three years it's becoming legal
used to can go to the gas station here
the funny thing is a state loss -
because the next state over you can so
my friends would drive a good 45 minutes
to go get it and spend money in that
other state to get it and that's
interesting but they're making it
illegal
we had one friend who had a head shop
who was making a lot of money come to
find out it was because they were
selling kratom they were selling so much
kratom that it kept a shop in bit
business they sold other stuff bongs and
wall flags with hippie frogs on it
sitting on mushrooms you know that kind
of head head shop incense and stuff but
once the FDA made kratom illegal in
Alabama they shut down they actually
seized our bank account but once
everything cleared they shut down and
they opened up just across the state
line so now all of that tax revenue and
everything is going to this next state
over so it's Mississippi it's legal
Alabama illegal Florida legal and we're
just right here in the middle where it's
it's uh illegal for us it's just so
weird how but you can go you can go to
the doctor and they'll give you some
some vicodin and some lortabs some
footballs you know all of these
different muscle relaxers that you're
gonna get addicted to and if you try to
come down you try to come off of it it's
you're gonna get hurt it hurts to come
down off of it you become dope sick I
haven't experienced that but I have some
friends who have
definitely struggled with that and this
is so interesting like your fearfully
and wonderfully made like God knows that
everything about you in your genetic
makeup and your anatomy and then those
plants and how we're connected to them
or or disconnected from them at this
point but taking them to heal your body
what is it uh what was his name the
Hippocrates a Buddhist I say his name
let thy food be thy medicine when you
get sick what do you do do you put a
bomb on do you rub it on your skin maybe
if it's a some type of aroma therapy or
some type of I love rubbing frankincense
on my skin actually but you put
something in your mouth you ingest
something you eat it
let that food be thy medicine the
different things that we're eating and
can n consuming this stuff ain't even
food man as zero nutrients whatsoever
and we're eating it like it's food
we're like a a well-oiled machine
fearfully and wonderfully made how this
machine works and we're putting things
in the gas tank that are not conducive
with our well-being with our mental
stability eating all it I'm telling you
man
change your diet anything we are
connected to nature man and I hope that
this podcast lit something within you to
get back out look we have it's a perfect
time to plug on nature retreat we have a
retreat coming up and we got one in in
January it's already booked up but we
got another one that we're booking for
now in April if you go to truth seeker
calm you can get all the information if
you would like to go out and do a nature
retreat we're going to be partaking and
musket ball which is mmm anita muscaria
but it's not so much even about that
it's more about just returning to nature
getting out in the woods we're gonna be
hiking chanting
doing breath work and just connecting
with a bunch of like-minded people who
were looking for a reset button we're
gonna push the reset button that for me
that's what that's what that's what
these things do they help you to find
the reset button kind of flush
everything out get a fresh start you
could do that so if that's something
that interests you and you'd like to get
up with us head on over to true seeker
calm and and and don't on the front page
all the info will be there for for
ticket prices we only have six more beds
available for those of you who are
wanting to go it's a guy's trip only my
wife is heading up the girls trip and
but there won't be any mushrooms on that
trip I guess we could say that but I
don't want it's not so much about the
mushrooms this is make that known it's
it's more about connecting with nature
and being with with brothers and Friends
and so it's not gonna be something to do
not even a heroic dose anyway so if you
want to get up with with some people man
it's gonna be there but I don't want
that to sell you on it even though it
probably already has you know people are
looking man again there's a resurgence
like and I'll talk about that like I'll
say this and you mean that me a couple
brothers have been talking about going
back out to the woods and and just being
a handful of us right and it was
probably about four or five of us who
were gonna go and we've been talking
having a you know a couple of drinks
here and there and just like hey we need
to go back out yeah we do and I need to
reset get some things ready and is
something that I really respect so I was
like hey guys let's do it well I'll put
in on it ba ba ba ba so I set it up I
set the event up I said look here's what
it's going to cost $100 a slot at the
time uh and I sent it to my friends who
were saying that they wanted to go but I
added a couple extra slots because we
could fit more people at this particular
cabin so I was like look here's the
slots who ever wants to go go ahead and
book it because we're gonna fill these
beds up and if you don't want to go this
is something that I'm doing and I'm just
going to open it up to whoever wants to
go with this I opened it up
and it sold out in less than 24 hours
and a lot of people were in boxing me
still wanting to go but all the beds
were sold I didn't think that that would
happen I thought that I would have to
beg people to go I thought that I would
have to beg my friends to go the weird
thing is most of like I don't think any
of them even booked it I don't know why
but I don't know if they thought it was
something they can go to for free and I
have to pay and like I would pay for all
this I don't know
between them and God but they didn't go
and but all of these people from all
over messaged me and said hey they went
ahead and didn't even mess with me they
bought their ticket they said look I'm I
need this
I'm ready let's do it and they bought
their ticket and within 24 hours the
whole thing was booked up and and more
people were messaging me emailing me so
I was like man this is something that
we're gonna have to do quarterly you
know and again this is something that is
it's popular right now for for a reason
Kathy saying that these plants are
calling to us they're searching for us
they're calling there beckoning us to
return to source to return to the
ancient path it ain't just in your Bible
the damn plants are calling to you you
just ain't listening but if you get in
these states of consciousness I'm not
even talking about doing magic mushrooms
or tripping or whatever you want to call
it like I'm talking about states of
consciousness that you're aware it does
have anything to do with that you know
again like just some sage man get you
some cocoa resum get some incense some
some really good incense man and that
that actually have which him is a good
brand if you guys are looking for good
incense him copa residents resin Paulo
Santos just the essence of the aroma and
the connectivity that they come from the
earth they come from the same place you
come from you guys that you know each
other there's something in you that's
connected to return to it and again it
just opened you up to different levels
of consciousness to be more in tune to
be more appreciative that you don't have
to again drink six beers to feel relaxed
you can get you a cup of chamomile tea
drink that stuff and just sink and feel
good it's not illegal you're still okay
to drive but you're just more in tune
you can relax chamomile tea you can go
to Walmart you can get it off of
different websites you can find it and
grow it and make it yourself
chamomile tea so much more start start
somewhere start with buying frankincense
this is hard this is frankincense resin
that I'm holding here my wife got this
for me a couple years ago it's still got
a hold much left but what I'll do is
I'll smell it you can smell it but it's
hard but as you rub it as you begin to
work it with your hands it becomes soft
again and you can form it and I
literally I will just put it on my
you're not people have like a nicotine
patch they put a little patch on with
nicotine so they get a little bit of
nicotine throughout the day I make a
patch out of out of this uh
frankincense and I work it in my hands
at work it in my fingers and I get it to
where it gets real sticky and I'll just
patch it on me somewhere so that it's
going into my pores and getting into my
bloodstream and you can feel the product
the healing properties from it what
healing properties look it up has so
many all of this stuff there's a
connectivity there and there was a
reason that the stuff was brought to
baby Jesus by the Magi by the stargazers
at his birth
Adriana says burn cocoa cones they are
great man I love copal couple resin with
with meditation again I put it in one of
my songs y'all know that song the song
called golden teachers vibing on this
copal and coping with my emotions
grab the scrolls and I unfolded this
cope will is just too potent I remember
writing that because I was burning some
copal I was getting smoked out like I
was out
was in another realm when that copal I
had to put it out a gentleman just it
was just too much for what I was doing I
said grab the scrolls and I unfolded
this copal is just too potent I had to
put it out but Coppa resin is what the
Aztecs and well access Aztecs and the
Mayans used before ritual before ritual
they would use this before going into
trance state leaving their bodies
actually projecting it's not a
hallucinogen you're not gonna like this
was it was just really strong
I signed Hale some of it you know but uh
I mean there's just so much so much and
we're just touching the the base of the
surface if you could just pick out
anything from these from this episode
and I've done I've done several more
just like this talking to experts in
these fields my friend dandelion Dan de
Lyonne that was a great episode talking
about the different planets and the
spirits and our connectivity to them and
returning to that like we could study
this stuff we could talk about it all
day but actually getting your ass out
there and doing it going out there in
nature that's on you do it you won't
regret it but you take your shoes off
and go stand on the on the ground like a
crazy person do it it seems crazy right
who's that barefoot guy keeps going
everywhere on the bottom of your shoes
they have rubber insoles
you're not even touching the ground
you're supposed to be grounded with the
Earth's energy it does wonders carrying
all the stress look find you any of this
stuff go somewhere where you can put
your feet on the ground
I do repay it's a tobacco and some other
bark and some things like that that's
used in Peru but you blow it and it
helps me to purge man to get stuff out
like stuff that I'm holding on to if you
if you do it in passing it's just
whatever kind of burns whatever that was
okay but if you do that
that ripe a any of the stuff that you do
and you really sink into it you really
listen you really just go into a man
it's powerful teachers behind it they're
speaking all the time we're just not
listening again so much of the stuff
what we were talking about this it goes
back to God and God's always speaking we
just ain't listening
you know the plants are speaking we
listening when it came to UFOs and I had
to go there the UFO thing for me was
deep because I was having all of these
encounters and seeing stuff in the night
sky and the day sky but the biggest
revelation was like look this has been
at a whole time you focused on things of
this world the Bible says to focus on
things from above like these angels
these these these ships these entities
have been there the whole time but we
just been too preoccupied on our carnal
senses and on the things of this world
that all we had to do that all I had to
do was step out in nature and look up
and look up my whole life they've always
been there watching over us you know
they've been here since the beginning
it's it like having a sighting having
any of these encounters it does
something within you it releases
creativity it releases all it releases
wonder it inspires you that maybe God is
real maybe there's more to this finite
experience maybe there is some deep
levels and depths within me and out
there maybe I'm connected maybe I have
to even go within to communicate with
the God who they say is out there or the
angels or whatever you you think that
they are but for me again it's like it's
always been here
you just been too preoccupied with
yourself which are ideas with your
problems with your whatever that you
just don't have the time to look up to
get into nature
I don't think you have time not to I
don't think you have time not to look up
you got to I got friends now that
they're so connected with with the
angelic because of their not even I
don't even like call them UFOs anymore
the chariots of the Most High they are
connected with the chariots of God that
they can go out on in almost everyday
and I'm not like this anymore but some
of my friends go out every day and
they're prompted when they look up and
they see they see that the the chariots
of God Chariots of Fire they see him
every day
they're just reminded it's a friendly
reminder it sparked something within you
you know these spiritual encounters
going back to have you seen a ghost
have you seen Bigfoot have you seen
whatever this kind of paranormal or
spiritual supernatural stuff is it
ignites something within you maybe it
just ignites you to seek to ask the
bigger questions whatever it is but it
ignites something my music is just like
the embodiment of that this artistic
expression of these encounters that
people by simply listening to the music
are engaging in unlocking counters
within their own psyche because they're
believing for it they're open to it now
synchronicity I mean you find out the
way consciousness is working and the
fact that you begin to believe things
and expect it and then you begin to see
it I can't not talk about this stuff
guys
I can't I've tried not to I've tried to
like water it down and just you know
focus on you know going to church and
stuff I just can't man I cannot it's too
deep it's too deep man so deep shout out
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the phone lines kind of messed up on me
I don't know why but we just got a
dedicated number and a new phone service
that we're gonna be using but for some
reason I don't know it messed up and
just wouldn't connect before but I'm
gonna I'm gonna work on it and hopefully
we have it ready by the next podcast cuz
I've seen a bunch of people who are
already calling and listening on the on
the line but but for some reason they
wouldn't it wouldn't connect but we'll
get that taken care of
cuz I think that taking callers really
just added a whole new aspect to the
show again and even that let's something
within me of like how we first got
started that's all I used to do was take
callers back in the day and just we had
a really good episode to to past
episodes really what we opened up the
phone lines and people were able to call
in and kind of share and I thought it
was so beautiful to hear what other
people thought and and they shared with
me and I was able to research some stuff
and some names and it was cool and we
got to get back to it so I'm gonna get
on the phone lines check that out see
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- so Adriana says yes feet on the ground
include invite our children to do some
rituals walking playing music burn
incense routine becomes a ritual when
intention is placed upon it it becomes
sacred for sure even lighting candles in
the evening takes on significance when
we say thanks and give gratitude
yeah yeah it's good you're being
intentional again do you talk about
these rituals that we're doing but being
intentional with it I mean were you
talking about nature I mean nature all
the time I work out in nature there's no
connectivity well you got to listen you
got to stop we gotta smell the roses you
got to talk to the flowers try it even
if it's under your breath try it ask it
to speak back are you speaking let me
hear your voice you know is some deep
some deep stuff man it's crazy but our
ancestors knew it and it's calling back
it's calling to you God uses all this
stuff the supreme power that is behind
everything it's by created the plants
they didn't like there was an
intelligence that encoded its DNA and
created it
and so that's take it up with that and
it's all connected pointing back to him
pointing back to it you're talking about
this stuff and these medicines and well
I don't think that these medicines were
here for us and bah bah bah bah the
Bible says that every good and perfect
gift comes from above every good and
perfect gift comes from above that
scripture my good friend Brandon who's
in chat he was asking me he's I think he
said his aunt was really religious and
wanted to know about the the magic
mushrooms and can I give her any verses
on it or anything like that I was like
well not not really the only verse I
think you need again is that every good
and perfect gift comes from above and if
it's helping you if it's helping you
then it's good god is good it's helping
you right it's healing you people are
overcoming addictions through the use of
of some of these hallucinogens
Novica or medicines sacraments they're
overcoming addictions they're feeling
more connected with God with their
ancestors with their family with their
self that feeling more comfortable
within their own body as they return to
nature return to your essence through
inward reflection I mean all of this
stuff is just sprinkled throughout my
music every good and perfect gift comes
from above and if you have psilocybin
mushrooms that are cure in depression
I'm sorry that's good well well well the
religious mind will say well that was
the devil there's this weird I was just
kind of plating this earlier I guess
I'll share it this this weird Church
thing and I'm introducing people who to
this who don't know but those of you who
you know spend any time in church
culture you know about this kind of
stuff but there's this weird thing where
like it can only be healed you can only
be healed in Jesus name like if you go
to church and get healed Dennis legit if
they pray for you and they pray in
Jesus's name and
in your Hill Dennis legit if we were
talking about how like psilocybin healed
me of depression of gave me a purpose
again and you know things like that it
was healing that was done then it wasn't
a real healing it's only temporal and it
won't last because it wasn't Jesus that
did it it was actually the devil who did
it and we're talking about plant
medicines let's go a little bit deeper
let's just go to a holy man a Hindu holy
man lays his hands on you says a
blessing over you aligned your chakras
and moves energy Reiki boom you're
healed you feel good
there's our alignment you're thankful
you know so the Christian would say well
that wasn't a true healing because it
wasn't done in Jesus name they say the
devil healed you they say the devil
healed you I've never seen the devil
heal anybody the devil comes to steal
kill and destroy but you saying the
devil healed you it doesn't make any
sense again going back to demonology
like jesus checked them on that Jesus
was healing people and so the only
reason you're healing people because
you're in cahoots with the devil and uh
so you're doing so the devil healed you
I mean it's the same argument Jesus is
like no Satan cannot cast out Satan this
person was sick now they're not in the
story I don't care how you get it I
don't care how you find it forgiveness
healing if you're in a church if you're
in a in the wilderness if you're on
psilocybin ayahuasca like if you're a
Muslim it does like if you find in
healing I used to get mad I used to
watch this uh this movie called uh don't
be a menace no I'm sorry
Kalai seven two minutes to society and
it is I used to watch old gangster like
movies from the hood boys to the hood
menace to society higher learning like
all these mobsters and gangster movies
and stuff as a kid and there was
something that always threw me off
because there was this one guy who got
its life together and he's always
preaching to the to the guys but he was
Muslim
he's always man you know Islam Allah he
was always talking about Allah and this
kind of stuff and there was a line in
the movie that always set weird with me
but now I'm coming to terms with it but
it was the guy named Sharif and so
sharifa is always telling him about God
and Allah and get your stuff together
and all this kind of and they were
talking to Sharif's dad they like man
why should we own all that you know good
goddamn stuff and I always trying to you
know Baba he said well look if Allah can
make him a better man than Jesus can
then I'm all for it and I knew like for
for me it was like a hold on you trying
to equate Islam with Christianity or
Islam with Jesus and for something just
because how I was raised and my
experiences and my encounters and my
beliefs and what I was told like that
didn't go together but now I'm looking
at it man healing is not a respecter of
persons forgiveness is not a respecter
of persons God is not a respecter of
persons and if God can use a donkey if
God can use these broken prophets King
David was a murderer
Moses had a stuttering problem like all
of these people were like these broken
people that God used to do mighty feats
in the earth to bring forth forgiveness
and freedom for their people to come to
set the captives free like God can use
anybody anyone look at the people that
Jesus called it was almost like God goes
out of the way to find the ones who
aren't qualified to use and then in our
mind and our religious thinking we're
like okay those people aren't qualified
God can't use them but they're Muslim
they're not Christian and like we have
this weird dichotomy and that's exactly
where God is in that dichotomy oh just
because you said that I can't I'm going
to and it's just everything is a portal
everything is a conduit for the mercy
and love of God again
go back to point at Billy Graham Billy
Graham's believe this at the end of his
life I think he's a great example that
the healing is not prejudice God is not
a respecter of persons and just when you
think you have God figured out just when
you think you have it all figured out
your paradigm your box your mind is
blown just when you think here you have
spirituality
Oliver figured out your mind is blown
there's new levels so if you feel like
you're stagnant if you're just in a
place where you need a refreshing or
renewal it's on you ask for it
you have not because you ask not my
people perish for lack of knowledge not
that the knowledge wasn't there but that
they just didn't care anymore the
knowledge is there if anybody at this
point again in some of the Christian
circles are run in and they scoff and
they laugh at the mushroom thing or the
alien thing but for the mushroom thing
if you don't know the research by now
it's your fault you're behind you're the
silly one because it's out there the the
research is out there I just shared an
article the other day with dr. oz
speaking highly about the advancements
that we're making with psilocybin
mushrooms in a medical community and now
how it's amazing that there's a couple
different states that are fighting to
decriminalize it and they asked dr. oz
about this and he was like man this is
huge this is huge now we're able to do
these studies and I'm telling you man if
you are scoffing if you think this is
demonic which that's you know if you're
trained to think that that's gonna be
the first thing that comes it's okay but
look it up all I want you to do is type
in magic mushrooms and depression and
watch all of the articles that are
coming from all of these major medical
websites these major colleges and all of
these placebo done experiments and
studies that are being done
and if you don't get that then you are
the problem you haven't done the
research that's all you have to do is
look it up when they were talking about
the spiritual implications I'm just
talking about the physical the emotional
healing that comes along with it and
that's awesome that's awesome it's
amazing we don't have nothing to prove
the prove the proof is in the pudding
you just got to do the research google
it every good and perfect gift comes
from above comes down from the Father of
lights you start seeing that all these
things are connected it's good stuff
with that I must say peace is Shalom man
thank you guys for hanging out man
again like I don't know what's going on
with this podcast I really don't I'm
just hanging out having a good time
talking to some really cool people
and I the numbers of quadrupled late
last week they doubled this week they
quadrupled the amount of of listeners
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there's more engagement on YouTube more
engagement on Facebook all these other I
don't know why I don't know if it's
algorithms I don't know if it's someone
a big-name person shares it I mean
sometimes that's what it takes you
interview somebody and then they share
it out you know I don't know well it's
hard to find out what's working and keep
hitting that right but my numbers are
freaking me out
Shalom to all of the new listeners that
we have I don't know what I'm doing I'm
not I'm really not doing anything
different it's just I guess it comes in
waves I don't know but the numbers of
quadrupled yesterday was the highest day
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years and yesterday was the highest day
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