The Path Of The Christian Mystic | Dan Osczepinski

The Path Of The Christian Mystic | Dan Osczepinski
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on video I'm joined here by my beautiful
guest in studio man Dan Oscar Penske
here on sabbatical from Honduras from
hungry hungry fresh off the flame from
Hungary yeah from Honduras yeah from
Honduras he's a missionary to Honduras
for anybody who doesn't know who he is
and we share a lot of similar views our
paths are have crossed several years
back and come into a lot of
understandings together a lot of
awakening together confirmations just a
lot of beautiful stuff and just yeah
confirmation confirming things in one
another encouraging one another to step
out in faith and just simply be the
person that were called to be that that
person who was on the inside who who
wants to come out and who thrives when
we when we get in those situations to be
who we were created to be but there's
you know coming from a religious
standpoint coming out of Christianity or
the Christian Church as we know it to be
some type of organization there's a lot
of baggage that comes along with that so
today's show it's entitled the path of
the Christian mystic and it's it's
geared towards Christians who were in
this situation but it's open to anybody
any mystic anybody who's encountered the
mystical experience on any level whether
it's lucid dreaming meditation
transcendental prayer psychedelics
without we already count on direct
knowledge direct experience of the
divine and not just the intellectual
belief or understanding so if you would
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two weeks ago I was thinking I'm like
dang I gotta work and put some money in
my bank because I don't even think I
think it's gonna balance if we go we got
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every day want to know when I'm coming
out with new music a bunch of new stuff
is there he does the whole time and
honestly man you guys don't understand
if you're a fan of truth seeker you're a
fan of his art not just his art the
information he puts out I mean I'm
looking I'm sitting here in the studio
right now looking at the different
monitors and stuff you got going on you
guys don't understand what it takes to
put out a finished polished product like
this you know I'm saying there's a lot
involved in that a lot of not just time
and energy but buying the equipment you
know investing in himself investing in
his studio and stuff and it ain't free
you know I'm saying so if you guys if
you guys are blessed by hearing
information that maybe you wouldn't you
haven't heard nobody else talked about
these things it's
in your heart words confirming things
that's what I hear all the time people
write me in private said man you're
you're speaking out you're articulating
things that I felt in my heart for so
long I've never heard anybody else say
what I feel and you're you're speaking
it out for me you know and so I know
that that's what we do for a lot of
people uh my wife's trying to call me
from Honduras I got to get back to you
baby
but um you understand so we live our
life it this is a lifestyle of sacrifice
because it's time and energy and funds
that we believe in what we're doing we
believe that this is our calling and and
like when you was doing a little intro I
was just thinking you know not not in
any way of us on some kind of pedestal
but we we are some kind of forerunners
in the in the sense that we were willing
to put herself out there and be
ridiculed and and persecuted a lot for a
long period of time and and we would
have to have private conversations from
country to country to encourage each
other because at one point he might be
down at one point I'm telling like man
I'm giving this out I think maybe I'm
gonna go back to the church or yeah or I
don't know it just feeling so alone but
we never quit and now it's getting to a
point in time where honestly that part
that part of the struggle is kind of
behind us you know I'm saying it now
because we've been consistent with it
yeah so many of you have been able to
connect with each other that's the
weirdest thing to I mean literally
hundreds of people we just ran into a
guy the gas station the other day oh man
I'm not even from here he's first he saw
me he's like dude it's you and then it's
like oh yeah and just connecting people
and and not only to maybe maybe hear
something from us you're like wow I'm
not alone yeah but just from getting
into our communities of people who are
connected and vibe with each other
you really find out you're not alone
yeah really find out you're not alone as
a matter of fact this is quickly going
to be accelerating more and more to the
norm and what was held as normal that's
that's going back in the past and you've
got to keep moving forward guys that's
what this whole show is gonna be about
we're going to talk about dance
encounters we're gonna talk about my
encounters and a lot of your encounters
because we understand that our story is
your story that's why so many people
resonate with it and so many people
reach out
and it's insane it's divinely ordered by
God and in what we're doing is is it has
fruit in light he just had people reach
out all the time I got I woke up this
morning answering emails from people who
were telling me exactly what you did and
so it's a blessing and I thank God for
it I think off of the mantle he's given
both of us and we had to pay for it and
we all every single one of us we have to
pay for the mantle and the anointing
people want some type of quick fix or
like okay tell me that how to do what
you're doing and I'm like prayer
application time application and that's
it God above all those man time man and
uh it comes with just stepping out in
faith and it's so it's not like okay do
this read this book get back to me in
six months and there is some of that
that happens but it's a process man and
I thank you guys that you guys are along
for the journey especially everybody
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for all the support and love it goes a
long way
a lot of y'all drawn to the knowledge
and information the topics the themes
and stuff that we talk on you might not
even know that derek is a music artist
you know I'm saying and you're like
you're really drawn into the
conversation and then you're gonna get
an extra blessing like when he said it's
ridiculous because he give you the music
you know I'm saying it's not about him
doing this as a thing or how to be a
character and make money um although he
has a family and stuff to provide for
but he gives it anybody who is down and
being supportive of what's coming out to
the podcast and to everything he does
from the backdoor everything that he
does every
he creates he's just giving it right
back to the fans and supporters anyway
so I mean and you might just know him
from the music and get blessed and drawn
in that's what we're really hoping and
that you're gonna get rocked with a new
angle and perspective and perception of
Jesus Christ that you totally rip off
and you discard it or you didn't want to
hear nothing about it and and you know
it's we're out there fishermen all day
we fishing with fishing with any good
fisherman gonna tell you if you got two
or three pulls you got a better chance
of catching a catching dinner you know I
mean so and it's about knowing the ones
and I think the reason we're even having
this conversation right now or doing a
podcast is to when I was having my
Awakening and going through some stuff
that nobody at church could help me with
thought I was going crazy looking up
people who can maybe give me some
confirmation or help me with the process
and I couldn't find many people there
were some but I'm thankful for the
people that I found and so this is just
an avenue for people who are having
spiritual encounter that they can't
explain going to the next level in
Christ and feeling like you're alienated
or you're by yourself
and necess all we all just let you know
look you're not alone any questions that
you have we'll try our best to help you
answer them but just to know that you're
not alone man that goes a long way
feeling like I think everybody goes
through that even I mean not even with
the the spirituality in the spiritual
encounter but maybe even like Street
preachers who like I'm the only one
preaching the truth and I'm the only one
who wants to do this and I'm an all the
one doing this and we talk about
doctrine and stuff like that and what
separates us I always point out the
example now I was really big into Jimmy
Swaggart ministries right and they have
a really good understanding of the cross
and how that the finished work of the
cross changes us in and that's how you
know like we have that salvation through
the cross and they that's their focus of
their ministry they'll cross and I've
heard Jimmy Swaggart get on the radio in
tears crying begging that he would that
they were the only church preaching the
truth and that God gave them the message
and they're the only church out there
with the truth and it gets into this
elitism and so you can't you can't
promote anybody else's Church you have
to come to our church because we're the
only ones with the truths my grandfather
was the pastor of a big church and it
turned into a cult and the same thing
first it started out there might only be
a million other true believers out there
and over time it got whittled down to
there's only a hundred thousand or a
thousand there might only be a handful
of churches and then like you said
eventually it gets down to this thing
it's only us yeah salvation is by coming
in with us we're the ones who got it and
honestly I know that as part of the
religious spirit you know and honestly I
know that we've felt that at times and
everything yeah but probably one of the
things that's making me thrive right now
and just rejoice daily in life is
realizing I'm not this is so much bigger
than us like this tooth is coming out
and nobody can stop it he's gonna pour
his spirit out on all flesh old young
male female teenagers we talk to him all
the time now teenagers didn't be witness
they don't even know what it is they're
experiencing yeah they're not even
they're not experience it in response to
hearing the message they're having
experiences and they need us to help
them understand what it is their
experiences of me there's no stopping us
and like you do podcast with all
different kind of people I talk to other
people I'm loving I've been bouncing
around to Florida and I'm off to Alabama
I'm going although ended and we might
have different it's a diamond with many
facets yeah I can look from this angle
and I see yellow gleaming off of it you
looking right from there at the same
time when you see in red bout some of it
that doesn't change the fact that it's
still the same diamond that's the key
you know to be able to see that and to
look at somebody who even may be
different or hold a different core
belief of some other things but to be
able to respect that and see the
potential and know what the hell the
body of Christ is in has some different
members the arms the legs the eyes the
ears the mouth and so these like people
get on this elitist tip where they're
the only ones who can do anything but
the like I respect people who are where
I used to be I don't look down upon them
that you're not where I am I respect the
process I respect the journey and you're
just as valuable there then I am where
I'm at
I'm saying right now and it's a
beautiful pitch and we got to be able to
see it like that we over we wind up
overlooking the only reality let's say
you I just met you you know we're
hanging out here talking and I'm trying
to sit here and listen to what you
believe so that I can figure out whether
or not I'm in agreement with you yeah
and yeah I'm overlooking the only real
thing I have which is the opportunity
right here right now to feel you and
love you you know I'm saying yeah and
honestly that's what it's all about man
we can love each other where we're at we
have our ideal none of us are fully
there we're being transformed by the
renewing of our minds daily yeah and as
long as we can keep it real like that
and understand you know this is a
process all of us are different places
on the process and a little bit closer
um so with that being said the whole the
whole precept about that is like what
does the scripture say well there's a
scripture where the disciples feel like
they're all alone like they're the only
ones doing it and what does the Lord say
I have what is it seven hundred seven
thousand that I just said I'm the only
one I'm the only one I had a seven
thousand other prophets they have
annealed kneeled today Oh have not bowed
a knee to bail and you feel like you're
the only one doing it well the only one
who has the truth and you and it does
get lonely and I'm not the priest out in
the New Testament it's why we've got to
be able to discern the difference
between the voices because it can sound
so much so righteous but it might be the
accusers of brethren or the father of
lies putting these things in your mind
you because that's that's the power that
the enemy has or this negative force in
the universe has is to get you by
yourself and make you think that you're
the only one ended up when your mind
thinking things since yes in the spirit
knowing things Jesus dealt with Peter he
said Peter be careful Satan has desired
to sift you as wheat and to get you off
by yourself this is Jesus warning Peter
but he said but be of good cheer five
prayed for you and so that's that's what
it is like when you get off by yourself
and you become like this lone wolf and I
think it's part of the process many of
you guys may be there right now but
that's part of the process too so
understand that there's like-minded
people out there and that we need each
other I can't do it alone man we need
each other I can we had we had some cool
time last night fellowship and with some
saints you know and I'd like to say that
but
just gathering different people from the
list local area went out karaoke had a
cool meal went back to one of the houses
and got in the spirit you know and just
encourage each other praying for each
other that's my message right now
whether it's I mean I've been saying it
for a long time but I just feel the
intensity more and more and more that my
message right now and I'm about to go
all over the country right now in a
quick little trip it's fellowship and
it's the necessity of fellowship you
cannot do this alone it was never
intended to be done alone there's never
any part of this was meant to be done
alone Christ came he planted his church
on the first day of Pentecost there was
three thousand and it multiplies said
that they were added to their number
daily and that they get life together
two ate together they work together they
fellowship together they broke bread and
wine and they remembered what this means
that we're one oh let me just take it
out and end on this thing my uncle Brian
love you uncle and if I get any details
of the thing off you know but he was a
fundamental conservative pastor Hellfire
and brimstone years he was a missionary
out to the nations you know going out
school of Christ and all that and a lot
of stuff happened in his life you know
where he wind up getting out of ministry
and getting into the world you know and
just not wanting anything to do with it
for a period of time and I started
noticing about 14 months ago I guess 15
months ago I wasn't even in much
communication with but I started
noticing his name popping up liking some
of the stuff that I was posting you know
that's cool and then I started noticing
daily and then I started noticing all
day but I still wasn't communicating
with him you know I'm saying so I wasn't
really I was just that's cool he's
watching me or something but I didn't
know that he was having his own
awakening he was having his own awaken
and when I say his own awakening I mean
he could sit here with me in truth and
sit here and chop it up all day on all
the topics that we kick around like he
fully was awakened and and shown you
know this whole religious system and who
he truly is and I am and who we are as
the expression of God's love in his
earth and stuff and we was just talking
on the phone here that night he was
going through some stuff in and at the
end by the end you know I was glad God
tried to pick up
spirits and stuff and the end of the
conversation was just reveling in the
fact that we are both the same exact
Divine Being and we are both the same
exact spirit of life knowing itself
through each other you know and we just
laughing about how deep that is but
about the fact that he may be a
forty-five fifty years old and me at 35
years old and a completely different
past so we took to get to that same
revelation nothing they didn't even
resemble each other they had their own
unique paths but here we stood at the
same revelation realizing we're one
we're one being in spirit you know I'm
saying and were inseparable and you
think about how many other thousands and
millions of people who have come or are
coming to this revelation you know it's
not about this flesh it's about the
spirit of life that's inside of us and
there's only one let everything that
breasts praise the Lord it's the Lord
inside of us and it's just amazing that
everybody's path is completely different
but the final destination and the end
revelation is going to be the same and
that's what makes it so glorious man and
we can't look at other people comparing
the paths it takes to get to the
revelation and saying well if your paths
don't match up to my path you're wrong
and yet we're not listening to what
they're saying and realizing like hey
we're actually coming to the same final
destination and revelation you know it's
those who are born of the Spirit though
you know I'm saying because there's so
many people who it talks about the the
sheep and a goat just coming up together
and the wheat and the tares and growing
up together so we're in religion with a
lot of people who aren't born again who
haven't had this encounter of
regeneration this what Jesus talks about
the baptism of fire which is a must if
you haven't had that you need to get
with us the baptism of fire which is a
second baptism you have the baptism of
water and then the baptism of fire and
that changes everything that's the game
changer and so we have people who were
like book smart and book savvy whether
it is the gnostic gospels or lost texts
and their cannon kick around all kinds
of knowledge but there is no application
it's about the application of the
knowledge and without the baptism of
fire you're not going to you're not
be able to do that it's all gonna be
theory it's gonna be magic it's gonna be
manipulation but to really be it says
those who are led of the Spirit of God
are the sons and daughters of God those
who are led by the Spirit so it's not
that you attend church or you're a
believer or whatever the case is you
have to be born again to be born of the
Spirit to be that the sons and daughters
appetize be immersed and be submerged
and be you know unified and inseparable
with that spirit and find your identity
in that spirit yep
hidden and lost within the person of
Jesus and that's what it means to die to
yourself and to take up your cross and
to follow him it's not a literal cross
it's it's it's symbolic mm-hm it's
metaphorical you take it up because
you're gonna die upon it you know I'm
saying so with that being said I wanted
to kind of get into the beginning
because we can kick around where we are
now and there's so much we can talk
about but I want to talk about the
process I kind of talk about my process
a little bit of not having anybody to
talk to and then finding your tribe and
finding your people that can relate but
there is the dark night of the soul
there is this place of like nobody gets
me and then stuck in between between
definitely because we're in the
religious system we have Christian
friends and but then we were having
encounters whether in my case I talk a
lot about UFOs and angels and spirits
and demons and things like that and now
we're talking about mushrooms and stuff
and dan has seen my journey and came
into my life right on the cusp of
crossing over he checked me out years
ago as a Christian rapper and as a corny
gospel rapper and then some years later
came across another like yo he stepped
his game up looking tight right now
several years later he found me doing
some esoteric knowledge it's the same
guy so from that process from the
Christian evangelist to Christian rapper
to whatever I am now you know I'm saying
or just sharing the knowledge and not
being afraid of it where I am
I am I and so not being afraid to do it
but there's a man there I can't talk
about the hell and and stuff that you go
through wanting to be accepted from your
peers just imagine you know there's some
stuff that goes on inner turmoil and
I'll say this to cover my ass and I did
this on purpose
the stuff that we're talking about now I
know and we would go to church services
and Bible studies I never ever ever ever
talked about this in public with people
I never went to a Bible study and tried
to change the subject or talk about
aliens or something if anything was said
it was about people who've seen what I
was doing online because they are you
know Facebook stuff like that and then
they would talk amongst themselves and
some people would mention it here and
there so I made it a point that I wasn't
trying to proselytize at the time UFOs
or aliens or whatever the case is and
many of us don't and I don't and I don't
know if that's the circle that you're in
or you feel led to do that I don't I
don't try to push anything on anybody at
this place now the people who were
supposed to be there they just come I
don't have to go seek nobody out or man
if I could but I used to as a Christian
like I used to try to do that and try to
like see how I can win this person over
or change their philosophy to believe
what I believe now it's just out there
and the people who resonate with I mean
they just come when you look at Jesus he
didn't do that he didn't have to do that
mm-hmm and I think the more that we grow
into understanding who we are how the
sphere operates and like me and you
talked about all the time even just
garden our mind being aware of our
thoughts paying attention our thoughts
manifest station all that kind of stuff
you start there's two ways of going
about this you've got the whole rest of
the New Age movement and the secret and
the law of attraction and all this stuff
you know and they'll be like okay so
basically they don't know what they're
they're trying to be mini gods you know
I'm saying outside the order of God
because they have the power of God in
them and they can create and draw and
attract things into their life but
without wanting to be under in an order
and under subjection to a bigger plan
and a bigger will that you want that for
you to be used in so we wind up starting
to try and create and draw to ourselves
all this kind of stuff and then you have
those
laws because it is law it's universal
law you understand but people can
manipulate the system that's sorcery in
witchcraft but just by walking in divine
order and divine law of seeking to be in
harmony with God in his way you got to
understand like it says when your
delight is in the Lord he'll give you
the desires of your heart so you don't
have to manipulate the system to get and
draw an attractive desire he knows what
the desires of your heart matter of fact
he's putting them in your heart so that
he can prove to you how real he is when
he brings them to you and manifest them
to you when you're faithful seek ye
first the kingdom of God his
righteousness and he will add all these
things unto you so like now whether it's
the means to provide for my family if
it's the kind of friends that people
that need to hear certain things I don't
have to think about it all he attracts
and draws it to me on a daily basis and
that takes the whole burden off of
having to do it's learning how to and I
am appreciative of Brandon of many
different people who have opened me up
to this and Andrew who opened me up to
the concept of resting you know of of
just resting in the finished work I
don't have to do anything John Crowder I
don't have to do anything all I got to
do is let him do what he's doing and
he'll bring me the situations the people
the circumstances and I just open my
mouth and share what I got to share and
it's like so much easier than striving
to make something happen you know or
even wasting time and energy on somebody
that might not never even come into yeah
because that's the thing that I think
this is the principle ah go by now
instead you can you can beat yourself
black and blue trying to teach a concept
of somebody or to try to change their
philosophy or their way of thinking but
my understanding is this is that you
can't teach nobody nothing I can't tell
you how many times older Christians
tried to like force me to believe stuff
or you know what you believe is wrong
and the church doctrine is this and I'm
not I mean I'm tamil esoteric stuff I'm
talking about regular biblical church
doctrine saying my church is wrong and
I'm writing stuff like that but um they
tried to beat it into me in and corner
me with the Bible and I'm listening but
I don't get it I don't understand it
so I don't try to force it upon anybody
I'll share it and understand that you're
not gonna get a concept
you're not gonna fully grasp it unless
the Holy Spirit teaches it to you he is
the teacher and unless that the Spirit
of Christ reveals it to you you're not
gonna get it there's no there's no need
to try to push somebody in one sit from
one season to the next or try to you
know I'm saying black try to to make you
feel better later you done done
something and you don't even truly know
that they did learn or accept it inside
there was so much of that going on with
their like elite elitism in in the
Christian Church well I was involved
with and even through evangelism because
you have to have the right doctrine like
you can't be a Christian and say well I
don't know or I don't believe but
because then they'll go to somebody who
does so even if you don't know the
answer you have to make one up right
right and steadily well let's get to the
bottom of it together so there's no
better have all the answers because
we're all coming every week to listen to
ya don't find somebody else and that's
what we see even in the fringe circles
we talked about some of our friends who
get into fringe doctrine and things like
that and they're arguing amongst
themselves me and Dan could totally sit
here and pick each other to pieces and
he tells me all the time he doesn't get
the alien stuff you know I'm saying and
I've got other friends we talk about
that but we can sit here and pick each
other to pieces about what we disagree
with what I don't like about you how
you're leading people what everybody
think you find what you seek is what
you're gonna find but I'll tell you when
I did that I was bitter I was in a bad
place I was trying to draw all people
unto myself instead of lifting him up
and he let him drop yourself and man me
can you even think you're an angel of
light and I can say that man I've been
hit with some some hard messages just
listening to another brother preach and
you just feel like they're speaking
right to you and it's like oh my god
I've been doing that you know and they
don't know that they're not even
thinking about you you know like I said
Brandon many different times yeah he
would speak on certain different things
even I shut my whole ministry down in
Honduras a year ago in part due to
listening to consistent teachings about
how ministries and organizations and all
this stuff working and seeing like wow I
haven't even been realizing you know or
haven't been realizing I've been doing
that cuz like especially when you when
you are dependent upon sponsors or or
donations to live I mean I'm in a
third-world country with a family that
don't have visas to come back here so
the carnal mind can start kicking in
what are we gonna do what are we gonna
do if people stop supporting and and you
know how many different seasons we'd
start talking about things in public and
everybody who's from religion they back
up we can not only do we not support you
anymore
we can't have nothing to do with you and
we're gonna tell everybody else you
watch out for you and then you know
without even consciously doing it
subconscious carnal mind start kicking
in with what are you gonna do now yeah
how are you gonna survive how are you
gonna make this happen and start trying
to be manipulative there's you know man
there's pros and cons to it and I
understand where people are coming from
I was there then you were there and I
seen you go through it and we can laugh
at it now but really going through it
we're like trying to erase post and
stuff like delete videos and you wind up
being on this crazy pendulum swing
because going gamble mine you never were
walked through it's like discipleship
nobody was there to walk you through how
to transition from one world into the
next from one paradigm to the next so
you get a flash you know awakening or
revelation on a certain thing you've
been off on and then maybe it's just
personality test I know I'm like that
you probably like that but a lot of
people I know that we're radical were
extreme and if we weren't we probably
wouldn't be doing what we're doing right
here for so many people but I'm not kind
of God whether it's health and diet or
what no matter what it is I'm like when
I decide to make a change
bulu long running all in with it but
it's it's unstable if you don't have a
support system there if you don't have
other people there to hold you
accountable to coach you through it yeah
you go on as long swing forward and then
when something happens you know or a
critical situation comes up or whatever
before you know it your attention was
off that thing you were running towards
and you're distracted back on here and
that pendulum start falling back yeah
you know swinging back the other way in
fellowship and it's a system of support
and accountability is crucial man
crucial in this transition I think and
I'm always talking about now how I love
seeing people be their genuine self and
I
friends who dude I listen to podcast to
do it but to see someone living life and
thrive being being themself and that you
don't have to like you you're just you
what you see is what you get the whole
package too good too bad the ugly and to
even make a living off of being
themselves we have friends man who are
doing this somebody who's big who we
always shot out and John an Illuminati
Congo man who's a who's a huge
inspiration and to see him be himself
into thriving that no matter what you're
doing man I've got I know dude like my
mother but Johnny Liu and I Congo like I
might not agree with everything he's
about no I'm saying and even even that's
so conscious carnival I might see think
cuz that he's a shot where you got you
know say it now yeah and be like well
Jota Jota but when you like you said
when you can when you can separate the
bones from the meat or the after or spit
out the the seeds and the bones and
stuff you know but still try to see the
good try to look for the good and in
that aspect like you saying him totally
embracing his uniqueness his
individuality and the greatness of what
we are in God and God through us and and
not be not care about the opinions of
other people and that's how you Altima
are gonna draw more and more and more to
you that are about what you're doing and
the opinions of men man um but it is a
hard process guys and I was talking to a
brother the other day and he was like I
just can't talk about that stuff y'all
are talking about like I want to but I
can't it's so easy for you you guys can
do it you guys are good I hold on man
this came with a price do don't you
talking about like it's okay for me I'm
still putting my neck out there like if
I have people who see who know about
this in my professional life like I'd be
in trouble like I really would and
they're like oh you could do that in
your job oh the hell I can't
and so we have friends who want to talk
about it but they can't get past the
fear of it because of the professional
life the job life or whatever the case
is if their boss finds out they're on
here talking about mushrooms they're
probably fired are gonna be drug-tested
about this kind of stuff you know so
people think it's easy or that you know
there's there was a price and there's
still a huge price it's not easy but we
understand the value of it
and because you guys won't do it we have
to who else is gonna do it
you guys gonna let the New Agers do it
and let them tell you all about it and
let them lead you down all kind of crazy
paths cuz they're damn sure doing it
they don't give a damn we have to do it
and I and I encourage you I encourage
this I don't I encourage that whatever
is inside of you whatever you that God's
calling you to do and you've had
experiences and you want to speak about
them you feel the Lord calling you do it
don't don't be silent don't be scared to
speak like I think this stuff is so
important it's just as important as the
gospel you learn to trust that voice of
intuition you know what's in you trying
to call you to do so and trust it I just
supposed to be out there without risks
life there's no rewards yeah that comes
from a life without risks you got to man
like if we didn't who's gonna do it
there is that you know in the Christian
realm there's nobody talking about this
stuff man they're stuck they're starting
to pop up now but it takes to do what
we're doing to give people the courage
so but you know what they got a podcast
I could do a podcast they rap about it
in their music let me talk about the
Seraphim and angels in my music and I'm
saying and and these got to get to this
place of comfortability cuz
comfortability in your knowing of who
you are because if you even allow the
shadow of a doubt of what somebody else
says you're not a real Christian or
you're not you're not you're not and
you're gonna entertain that yeah and
accept that then you're not even sure
yeah but once you come to this place
where you say no I'm sure I love God I
love Jesus Jesus saved me from my
darkness
I'm totally you know a completely
different person now I have eternal life
I don't fear death all this stuff so so
the most you could to come to me and
tell me is you're not this you don't
believe the same things as me that's
fine and so all of you who claim Christ
like let's sit down and hang out let's
chop it up we'll focus on the
commonalities we can share what we share
but nobody can ever kick me out of the
club cuz you didn't bring me into the
club and I can't kick you out of the
club so as long as we get that mentality
out and realize
I can't tell you you're not a Christian
if you're claiming Christ and you can't
tell me I'm not if I'm claiming Christ
so the most we can do is sit down and
understand each other and hear each
other out and so like you said if we
touch on a sensitive topic like
mushrooms or something that don't kick
me out of the club just because I
believe one way about one certain issue
that does not negate all the other
foundational fundamental truths of what
brought me into this light you can't you
can't tell me I'm not in the light just
because we have a difference of opinions
on something and even if I'm wrong on
something there might be you know a
little bit of fuzziness or shadow left a
quasi continue on this path and continue
walking
he'll keep revealing things to me and
refining me and purifying us that's what
this path is but you can't tell me I'm
not in the club because we don't agree
on this point or we don't hold the same
doctrine together don't it does not work
like that and as long as we realize that
and know for beyond a shadow of a doubt
nobody can kick you out of the club once
you got that in your heart nobody can
kick you out of the family of God nobody
no man can take you out of the family of
God then you can have that shirt in in
your heart that comfortability in that
confidence to start going ahead and
being a little more bold in talking
about things that maybe you wouldn't
before out of fear because perfect love
casts out all fear the fear is if I say
this or if I talk about these things if
I believe a certain way I might get
kicked out yeah you can't get kicked out
brothers I'm fully persuaded in my mind
nothing can separate us from the love of
God life not death not angels not demas
nothing nobody nobody can separate you
from the love of God that you've been
born of if you've been born a good again
and born from above you've been born of
the love of God it's his actual life in
essence that you are and that's birth
inside you no nobody can take that from
you and that's what that's what you know
it almost got to get to this place of
anger because besides the depression the
Dow and all that you you almost have to
get to this place of anger too because
you realize and these people in this
system they've been lying to you so much
and making you feel all these things
keeping you from the truth
keeping you from the reality of peace
and the rest of God knowing the who we
are in him
it's like when you got to push through
that anger to you get a season of
righteous anger but I don't even got
time to be angry anymore no all I'm
trying to do is bring people in into
this truth that brings joy jesus said
the whole reason he said yo to his
closest friends and disciples he said
look the point I'm trying to get to you
the reason that I'm teaching you all
these things and the the end all of it
is so that my joy may be full in you and
that you may be full of joy and remain
full of joy no matter what life comes
out to Jesus as brother James said my
brother's count it all joy one various
trials and temptations and stuff comes
out two in life because it gives you the
chance to grow in your faith and examine
your face see where you really are so
it's all about joy so if what you're
talking about ain't ain't and I'll be
all in joy and a manifestation for
joining us ain't got time for it been
there done that walk through those
seasons well I'm in a season of joy
right now it everything changes man when
we go from that picking people apart and
seeing what's different versus picking
people apart to see what's similar or
looking for the good in people and and I
got friends who were there years ago and
guess what they're still there they're
still in it it's some it's some kind of
mechanism for some people to like they
can't they can't walk together to him to
agree like they have to have that thing
that makes them different than you and
really there's nothing there when you're
talking about like how we how you get
into the kingdom you didn't do nothing
to get into it and you can't do nothing
to take you out of it if you give him
something you know and that's what Rome
the whole book of Romans first not work
so that no man can boast nobody it's not
something you did on your own even the
faith was a gift yep the first nine
chapters of Romans goes into so much
detail about that about the
sanctification justification by faith
not by works lest any man should boast
because we can boast about our works we
know here well you know I did this I did
that and I did this and I hear people
doing it all the time but I didn't do
nothing
I didn't do nothing I asked him to come
into my life and he changed me and he
sustains me and he'll contain he's
faithful and just to complete that work
and that's that's the truth and so
there's nothing you
you could do to take that away man but
coming into it man talk a little bit
about because I know like just talk a
little bit about we're like what was
some of the first things that you
started talking about and then kind of
renig Don and started talking about and
then renig Don and stuff because there's
people there right now when I and like
you know probably probably old one that
we did with my testimony and stuff I
don't know he might have up on one of
the channels so two side skirt getting
dragged into all these you know you can
go check out that one if you want to
know me about my story but when I went
to Honduras it was on a three-week
vacation that never ended and I just was
kind of getting into Facebook at that
time so I was just start sharing you
know what I'm thinking and making videos
all along the way and it's been almost
eight years so anybody who's barely
anybody has been around since back then
you know I'm saying but anybody who's
been keeping on there's no doubt that
has been an evolution yeah there's no
doubt that has been you know progressive
thing that's going on with me and I've
just shared every step of the way which
it was just natural for everybody yeah
exactly you know I couldn't open a Bible
for about two years I left organized
church I went I seek in you know into
every single kind of path and religion
and wanted to know and I and I wasn't
afraid anymore of asking these questions
that when I would even hint to asking a
question in church I would get these
faces or these responses automatically
making me feel like I'm wrong that
there's even a question for man inside
of me so once I left the church and I
started asking all the questions I want
I believe that Holy Spirit leading guide
me in all truth will be my counselor and
comforter and teacher and all that stuff
hey I'm gonna ask all these questions
well after about two years and it did
open Pandora's box I ain't gonna lie
about that
Pandora's box part of it you know I'm
saying and I thought that I was coming
into light because I was finding out
about the Illuminati about governments
about Masons about witchcraft and
darkness and all that stuff I thought
that I was being enlightened and
illuminated because now I knew all this
stuff and nobody else when I try to talk
to him they didn't know or care now
where I'm at I can look back and say I
opened up why to darkness that people
think is light because all it was was
knowledge of darkness I was learning all
the knowledge of all the realm of
darkness and how all this stuff works
but that didn't bring me peace you know
I'm saying my wife will tell you I don't
even remember back these conversations
when we first were friends but she tell
me even in Honduras that I was like
seemed hopeless even though I'm having
all this knowledge and information you
know I'm like I gotta get this out to
the world
I gotta help shared the light and truth
and wake people up so when I be hanging
out with her this innocent girl that
didn't never see Facebook or doesn't
know anything about the inn or anything
to her what she was perceiving for me is
that I was kind of hopeless and I didn't
have joy and I didn't have love you know
so there's a different light that we've
come into and but after two years I
opened up my Bible for myself and what I
found through Jesus and and the message
of Jesus and confirmed through the
Scriptures is what I already knew in my
heart through my seeking my journey out
to the world through these other paths
through psychedelics through all that
stuff what I came to believe that I was
in God and God was in me you know and I
was him expressing out in a physical
form you know a living living life and
that was the same as everybody else and
all these different you know personal
awakenings and revelations when I went
to the Bible it really all started being
confirmed for me right there through the
scriptures directly to Jesus but it
wasn't the message that I was hearing
from the pulpits
you know saying so I started preaching
this message of oneness with God and
sonship and Kingdom and all that stuff
but it wasn't received well you're not
saying because I was I didn't have a
covering what authority when I started
baptizing people all these random things
I didn't seek to baptize anybody I
didn't seek any of these things but the
more I dug into that word the more I
believed what it said what that it was
about me that what it said and what it
was revealing even through Jesus Christ
that was all about me because Jesus
Christ is in me you know and I'm made
new in Christ all these things are about
me so what he said to go do I started
going out and doing it and preaching the
truth telling people how to repent
change
baptizing and bringing them into this
direct communion and connection with God
and the thing that should make people
that are in the religious box proud
excited like wow look at this move of
God this is great and they automatically
like you said start picking apart
besides how you look you know say I'm
not looking like in a way whether it's
accepted by many but who gives you the
right who gives you the authority the
same things that was asking John about
this the same thing here was asking
Jesus yeah who are you are you the
Prophet are you what why are you
baptizing people who because jesus said
to do it you know Jesus said that I'm
just doing what Jesus said so I guess
before I really got deeper into sharing
mystical things and things that would be
touchy or divisive even though I had my
own beliefs and experiences even along
this way only thing I was coming out and
publicly sharing with people in
preaching was to come into the kingdom
of light right now heaven is available
right now repent and cross over come
into oneness and sonship that God is
your father and you're direct
you don't need another man in between
you and God that right there from the
religious thing we went through much
persecution much persecution over that
but so just doctrinal things you know
I'm saying ideas and not that I was
always right on every single one and
nobody is and anybody who thinks yeah
that your pastor your preacher that
you've been that you might sit under
right now that they've always held all
the same beliefs you know that they
haven't changed their mind on things
they haven't evolved in their paradigm
over years you're deceived because
they're just like you you know I'm
saying it and this is about growth and
this is about as we learn or I was wrong
on that being okay with that and to a
Brit embrace and accept it and discard
what no longer serves you for the better
and to embrace I was saying even even
the symbol of the serpent I share it all
the time people only hear snake or
serpent they think all these demonic
negative things but there is a really
cool picture when you look at a serpent
that a serpent a snake it cannot grow it
cannot grow into what it's becoming
unless it's willing to discard and shed
who it was on a regular basis you know
every so often it has to go through this
period where it sheds who it was so that
it can grow into what it's becoming but
there was a there was a big time where
we you know early on we were doing
podcasts together I think like right
after we met like within a week or two
and it was awesome how we met though cuz
we you know I'm saying we've recited
each other online and then my family
right before I left for Honduras like
literally a couple of days your family
came down to go to Disney Disney and you
were in Orlando and you came you came to
the hotel and we met and we fellowship
we swam we had a couple beers you know
we hung out and we kind of built from
there and then you became a co-host of
what we're doing now under the awakening
podcast and we did several shows
together when we would talk about some
fringe stuff or have other people along
who weren't Christians and stuff talking
about crystals and Kundalini and stuff
you wouldn't share some of the stuff you
would do it but you wouldn't share yeah
because I've had the Christian follow
well and because at that time at that
time talking about this pendulum I had
got so beat down yeah I got so beat down
by the brothers and sisters that I
thought would be excited to see the
reality of what they're reading in the
book happened in and they wasn't and
they was constantly telling me you can't
do this you got to do that and just
feeling alone like I said I living in a
third world country all this would be
happening every time I'd come back to
the States got a move of God what
happened and all this stuff every time I
go back to Honduras there I am all alone
yeah and it's hard to explain because
sometimes you feel like God why isn't
this happening down here or why is it
and you haven't expectations and it
might not be the way he's lining it up
but um because of some friends we had
and because of you know people that we
love people that we love but that are
still totally mainstreamed way out and
then big churches Angelica movement and
stuff and that they out of loving us
reached out with some opportunities to
help us out but it was almost like that
crux in that crosser I want anybody if
they come across this to take it the
wrong way but I felt like I sold out
yeah you know I'm saying I felt like
okay here's a
an opportunity for us almost uh security
you know I'm saying like dude if if this
church and we never had we never had
churches a church back us like on a
regular monthly basis or anything and
God always told me why you keep waiting
for that why you keep looking with that
I never told you that was coming I never
told you I was gonna provide for you by
that but here was kind of like this
temptation of something that was offered
I went on a trip to go just a
possibility of speak somewhere and
within a week it lined up like seven or
eight different opportunities to go to
churches and fellowship and Christian
Athletes and all that stuff it was all
good but knowing that I can't be
honestly and truthfully Who I am coming
into this and feeling like I had to put
on a mask and it was so funny even how
it worked out because I was winter and
so I went up north and I had to put out
I it was I had to anyway wear long
sleeves a leather jacket gel in my hair
and I was just laughing the whole way
like a this is gonna be like almost like
a game because these religious people
who if I came up looking like this how I
normally dressed they would have wrote
me off from the beginning and had a
million different reasons of why to say
no it's like God was taking all that out
the way and me looking a handsome
presentable man and they're gonna have
to listen to what I got to say and judge
whether or not they want to support me
based upon what I got to say but
honestly and it was all good but
honestly it was just a bad move and a
bad look and I felt like weather was my
own self imposing this idea or whether
it was reality or a blend of I felt like
I was being censored and monitored and I
couldn't just come out and talk about
any thing I want to and I'm a shock jock
kind of guy I'm a shot by you kind of
guy and and I just I've always been that
since I was a kid and I like to use that
to real people into then get them to
listen to the more important things you
know the deep undeniable things but I
couldn't do that and I was just
constantly being censored and backed
into this religious box you know and
like you said dark night of the soul man
being boxed in to that religious box and
being confined into it it can die can
make you literally depressed or just you
know places you don't want to be I am
when I was going back and forth and I
would go back and forth mainly because
of my church brethren like people I lose
genuinely loved and cared about people
who I would have a phone conversation
with doing ministry and just having
friends and when we hung up they would
say I bro I Love You Man
and it's a guy on the phone and I have
to be like only person I tell I love you
to be like my mom or my wife and I had
to say I love you too man
mm-hm but I'm thinking but I mean it I
Love You Man yeah and we hang up that's
kind of weird for a guy the first time
you do that we get is weird so did these
were people who are genuinely loved and
I thought that they loved me were to
have this camaraderie this Brotherhood
and then I found out that they're
warning people about me stay away from
him he's in the Satanism like they made
up all kinds of stuff man and maybe
that's what they thought I don't know
imagery and and mainly from promoting
different philosophers to Syrian stuff
well Melanie Hall he's a Mason Mason's
are Satanists true see good follow
Cygnus you know I'm saying that kind of
stuff so I would go back and forth and
then I would present myself to these
people and act like I'm not into that
stuff anymore bless oh yeah I don't and
that's that's partly why like I said I
didn't talk about that stuff in person
with people like I didn't go to Bible
study simply hey man y'all uh anybody
ever seen the UFO or something like that
you know but we'd go back and forth and
it drove me crazy and but I genuinely
saw God and there was times where I did
it on many occasions and you did - you
did a video where we burn our books have
all kinds of expensive esoteric books
from Manley P Hall I got stuff man from
the 1800s that I freakin I burnt and
threw away signed autographed copies of
Manley P Hall did I hate that I did I
have art pieces I had a dude a friend of
mine who does airbrush work do a mural
of Manley P Hall for me amazing
phenomenal I threw it away and burnt it
man and and all the stuff in you you get
rid of everything and many of us have
been there in a Christian experience
with CDs and it's not that a good a
beneficial burst you know of spirit come
forth
that you know well I think most of us
this is this is what I say is that I
think most of us we get into a place of
maybe there's sin in our life or we're
questioning and we want to get we search
our hearts and we get everything out of
our lives that isn't about Jesus right
and so for me if if maybe when I was in
that mind frame could be maybe my video
game posters or a crystal or anything
crystal meant that there was a point
where we got all of our statues and
pictures of Jesus out like we had wood
carvings of Jesus and necklaces and
crosses and stuff we'd do everything all
that's idolatry and so you get rid of
everything so you're in a place where
you want nothing but God so you're
searching your house and your heart and
maybe some things like Manley P Hall
sticks out more the occult ik type stuff
then a videogame or something but but
trust me people have video game burnings
to churches and and you get rid of
everything and you I've been there
you've done it several times I feel
remorseful for now but I respect the
process and cut but in those moments I
would genuinely fast and pray and ask
God to search my heart and if these
things weren't of you please take it
from me and I'd be walking in a spirit
I'd feel good I feel like I got rid of
some things but shortly after there was
like man what it like this is who God
called me to be and I was still drawn to
the same things God still let me have my
encounters for a reason and I would feel
like a sellout and I'm I'm praying
against it God please take this away
from me like I don't want to be drawn to
these philosophers I don't want to be
drawn to these friends people but
there's something in me that resonates
so strong maybe it's demonic maybe what
resonates within me is demonic
I need help more fasting more prayer but
it would never leave man and I will
always felt like it was God telling me
like be yourself man be who I created
you I put those desires in you for a
reason and I would never get away from
that as many times that I would fight it
I would always feel remorseful because
of driving my wife crazy
he's an instability and consistency
saying one thing and doing another but
you have to be yourself man and God made
you
and put the desires within you and made
you uniquely fearfully and wonderfully
made and and yeah there's things we get
into that we need we gotta examine our
heart and we got to get some things out
maybe even for a season but that place
that I was in and you you've been there
and I've talked to countless other
people about it I was in there but my
plugs I got crazy stories about taking
my plugs and throwing them out the
window or the interstate and then the
next day come walking outside the
interstate trying to find him mm-hmm
that crazy stuff like psychopath no no
no and there's and but unless it sounds
weird but I've talked to other people
who have had the same thing with their
Pearson's they through their piercings
out and then they're going through the
grass trying to find him and I yeah I
had I had like when I first was getting
into crystals and stuff and stones and I
had a collection and I'm going through
one day same thing I'm out on the porch
on the beach at our house and I'm just
like you know and then like a week later
like yeah it gets nasty man but it's
part of the process and I respect the
process man because he does it he sets
it up man it's all it's all about him
getting you're getting your relationship
with the Lord and if anything look at
Abraham you know a test of the heart to
see if you're willing you know I mean
when he was he was told to sacrifice
Isaac it was never that he was going to
have to go through it you know God God
had him God had it all lined up but
sometimes it's just a test within
ourselves to see are these things idols
and like you say if her heart is really
for God we don't even want it to be
close yeah we don't even want it to be a
question so sometimes if we start
questioning are these things idols that
right there is enough for us to say
destroy it all because I don't want to
be in idolatry out of out of the purity
and yeah and out of a pure heart of one
to be right for God you're willing yeah
you know you're willing and because
nothing compares nothing compares to the
relationship we have with God oh and we
don't want anything getting in between
us but sometimes like look at Abraham
Abraham didn't really have to go through
with it
you know there was a substitute provided
so yeah there's some we got a lot of
questions in the chat room right now
we'd be happy to answer your questions
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we do it like there's so many times I
don't want to cause us a lot of work to
set up the calling and thank you seeing
what I had to go through to access my
telephone and call three-way and call
the station and all this weird stuff I
got to do to actually get this to work
the way it's working and I'm like you
know what I'm not gonna do the call in
but then people begged me like no dude
I'm a calling like I need to talk to you
like I get element to it you know I get
the discipleship from it but and then we
go live but I gotta say we didn't I
didn't promote it so if you guys want to
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yo lads do you think aliens are real if
all this occult BS big love yeah call in
and call in ask the question yeah yeah
we'll have a conversation with you
Richard call in ya pretty good question
but no it is a good question but I think
they're one in the same so they kind of
have to do with it I mean each other
kind of referring to like the physical
manifestation and calling the occult
which means hidden underlying BS you
can't have one without the other in that
um saying ufology aliens is it's hidden
it's a cultic and that's why I say all
the time when we talk about the whole
definition of occultism or the whole
definition of what is esoteric I say
Jesus taught occultism Jesus taught
hidden hidden stuff that he had to break
bring his disciples told him to you it's
given the keys to understand the kingdom
but to them it's not like the whole lay
people he preached to the 5000 people
they had no idea what the hell he was
talking about if some flesh drink my
blood they all left they loved they said
I was too deep what are you talking
about and it's okay let me bring you in
to show you some more stuff and he would
he would show things to his disciples
and he would explain the
rebels but then there was other times
where he said what there's things that I
want to show you that I can't right now
because there's no way you could you can
understand this there's no we've been
learning a second language learning
Spanish to be no hunters many different
words and understandings have been
opened up to me just by learning another
language because in Spanish a coal tar
is to hide it just means hide to hide so
I could tell you go hide some Easter
eggs you know for the kids to find candy
and I would have to say a coal tar you
go hide it so a cult means hidden that's
all it means
yep yeah you can go ahead and call in Oh
some say okay he so he said this he
wants to call him but he doesn't have
any service well if you have a question
man let me know I know we spoke on on
Facebook too so thanks for all the love
I'm reading in the comment section how
awakened the fire impacted your life and
you talked about you know the song fire
on awaken the fire that's funny that
that's the song that you love from that
album because that's the song that
people say doesn't fit that album and I
was the one that was kind of crunk there
screaming on it the producer was
somebody different so from all the
esoteric mysticism to a crunk Christian
rap song about the five the Holy Ghost
in my bones you know that was the song
that that's a lot of it's a good song
but it doesn't fit the album and so oh
wait what you do you put it on as extra
or something no I just put I included it
in the tracklist okay but you know you
got all the stuff about the estus ISM
and then you got fire you know all the
lay back the ramen looked like the rap
style is different where I'm late
laid-back rapping versus yelling the
raps you know the chronic music and
stuff so mm-hmm
so he says give him a said he's gonna
pay his bill so he goes we're gonna hold
you to this so the axe is gonna be
calling in here shortly say hello
I think I think channels watching
channels watching in the chat room as
well what's up channel Richard Chanel
Bruce and I know yeah so Chanel panda
Jean panda panda panda panda what's up
brother good to see you here max Mike
all of you guys holding us down yeah so
we're talking about how like we did the
podcast together and you would share
some
and it's kind of discouraging but I
respect the process and you didn't share
some of them you know oh yeah but there
were certain podcast topics you wanted
to do I wouldn't even get on with you
and then I would delete them
I would even delete them you know I'm
saying so I respect the process and I
know what's up what's up Laurie and then
so we did the interview with Chris
Russian so I interviewed Chris Russian
who is from warrior ala I did call in on
that one but I told you what did I tell
you do you remember because I'm
wondering if that was kind of like a I
think from that point you you became a
little bit more open okay so so Derek so
I had already had lots of experience
with psilocybin mushrooms for four years
I mean three different that delay is
messing me up I know there were three
different periods in my life you know
along my path were psilocybin mushrooms
entered for a season and what they and
my experiences with them were very
different because I was at a different
place yeah and so I was already very
familiar with that whole topic and whole
experience and Derek wasn't no Derek was
drawn more to all the information and
about and stuff but he had never
personally experienced it you know and
so even even this conversation right
here just getting it to that comfortable
place of being able to talk about these
things because the one thing nobody can
ever take from me is my personal
testimony you can't tell me that I'm
wrong in what I experienced you might
tell me I'm wrong in what I believe you
might tell me I'm wrong in some kind of
idea but you can't tell me that what
happened to me didn't happen to me you
can't tell me that yeah so just being
more and more comfortable now just
expressing my personal experience but
when Derek started I can't remember what
I didn't even I think I didn't know but
he went ahead and pulled the trigger and
had an experience and then it was like
life-changing within two or three days
he was full blast like lighting the
golden teachers you know how the expert
and I'm like oh my god and at that time
it was probably crossing paths was when
my pendulum was swinging back and I was
kind of getting back into this religious
thing because of the because of the
supporters or supporters
that came into our life and stuff so he
was like I'm coming out with all this
bro and I'm like well I can't do that
right now bro and I got a backup and so
when he was gonna do so after he started
he was already writing songs he was
already you know just totally interviews
I had hired by uh by to think that but
seeing this what I'm saying it was all
it was all propelled forth by an
experienced by a personal experience not
by a idea or belief and so I couldn't
say nothing to him cuz he's telling me
yo I had this great epiphany experience
all these things you know was confirmed
to me or shown to me my plan was mapped
out and all this stuff Who am I to
challenge that in any way shape or form
but just was I willing to get on the
public platform on that topic it I just
couldn't do it so when it came time to
doing the interview with Chris rushing
which I was very interested in because I
had already heard of him
and he's like hey I'm interviewing this
guy I really kind of knew basically what
the topics were gonna be I didn't want
to put my picture I didn't want to put
my face or name on the promo as as doing
this but I did decide to call into the
show and speak on but I told you
contingent I said look dude don't call
in unless you are comfortable with
putting this on your on your profile and
I think I didn't want to be mean but I'm
like okay this you know this has been
legit let's just be real like let's
don't do it unless you're ready to do
probably a good push yeah cuz I'm not a
and I've never been I'm not out there
promoting or preaching mushrooms I've
always been this way this is how I've
always been I'm not gonna lie exact I'm
not gonna lie to anybody because I was
saved by the truth I'm in the truth I
love the truth I'm living for the truth
Jesus Christ is the truth and part of
the nature of Christ is to be truthful
and tell the truth and not to lie not to
feel like you have to cover-up or
deceive so anybody asked me a question
I'm not gonna lie to you I'm gonna tell
you the truth but I might not promote or
preach something that I know a lot of
people will have issues with or stumble
over or be divided over I just I don't
go ahead and just like it says you might
disagree with me
even using this analogy but don't throw
your pearls before swine because they
won't see the wisdom the value in it
they'll turn around to even rend you
asunder to Gore you you know to kill you
over these things so why am I gonna go
ahead and talk about things that I know
many people gonna have issues but if you
want to know you ask me let me tell you
the truth and I felt led to do it
because it was like you said so
impactful why would I hide it like that
and I look at it like the gospel I look
at it like the gospel the gospel changed
my life now I'm gonna tell people about
it
mushrooms oh my god to act like like
there's so much healing and so much
virtue that I experienced through it and
to keep it a soccer my world in my
relationship with my wife with how I've
used my mother the the feminine aspect
of life to begin with I mean the whole
thing many different over the times you
know many different things that I was
ready to be shown or ready to encounter
or ready to examine about myself that I
never even realized oh my god I've been
looking at women like this I've been
treating women like this all these
things that when it's timing is right
the spirit needs to bring up into the
forefront of your awareness and show you
and I can't lie I got a tribute many
different awakenings and many different
healings of who I am
impart to my encounters and my
experiences with psilocybin mushrooms I
think that if we do keep it a secret
then we become like the upper echelon of
the elite who knows the mystery schools
who've been through it and they keep it
a secret on purpose they don't feel like
the lay people should have this info
they don't feel like the lay lay people
should understand what's going on with
UFOs or how they were created
spiritually and the different mechanisms
in your body spiritual abilities that
were all born with they keep that a
secret
and so I kind of feel like the same
thing like if we're privileged with the
knowledge and we trying to make people
pay for it for one and for two to keep
it a secret from the lay people like
that's what that's what the
quote-unquote satanic illuminati does
they keep it for themselves and let the
lay people be the ones who they make it
a cult
remember cult means hidden a cult are in
Spanish and Greek and stuff means to
hide so they
make what is totally public knowledge
hidden Paul says all things that that
one could come to know about God are
clearly seen by just looking and coming
to know through nature by looking out
into the natural world what's going on
out there you know experience in life
and you come to know and how these
revelations about God and how God is
well one of the things that's just out
there in nature just right there is
mushroom you know I'm saying honestly
it's just right there and it's when you
realize if you were to realize how
common it is about as common as a cow
about as common as a cow is how common a
mushroom is and they're all over but
because like you say what that little
living thing leads to an awakening of
understanding of things that far beyond
this three-dimensional time and space
world they need to occult are they need
to hide that because in doing that in in
Awakening they don't they don't have
power over me and it's true the gospel
that's what the gospel does to and I'm
not saying and I absolutely don't think
that one is contrary to or opposed to
the other or anything and I'm saying
they are are harmonious to me in in what
you realize in the realization and it's
the realization of who you are and what
you are beyond this body and as a
spiritual being and all that that
automatically cast the shackles off of
you of this system of mind control and
ideas that they have us in so obviously
if that's and that's a universal
experience I mean obviously you got
people that abuse anything you could
have people Jesus says not what goes
into the mouth and into the body that
defiles the man but what comes forth out
of his heart because out of the heart
comes all these wicked things and and
and jealousy and anger and strife and
hatred and all these kind of things so
if a person you know uses something like
a mushroom but it's not with the intent
on healing or on spirit or anything like
that and they just want to get messed up
and all that they're going through and
they probably get really messed up
because what's in the heart comes out
yeah it's what your heart gets projected
out there could be a scary overwhelming
experience and that's what the the whole
bad trip comes from and not not
preparing and so even with that
whenever we look at like there's so much
preparation that goes into it like I
mean we would have large doses we would
fast pray do chance and and mantras and
really get in it and use it as a time to
examine our life and say okay what is in
me that needs to come out how do I get
to this next level
and show me what I need to do and just
be open to the encounter and to have
that to treat it like that and to have
somebody to lead it and so that's why
our ancestors would have shamans who
would lead it you would go to the shaman
he would make sure that it was a good
good vibration going on good music was
playing like for is the you know the
drum patterns the chanting and stuff
like that it would be something
comfortable something relaxing because
if not you can get triggered I got
friends who went with us and had amazing
spiritual encounter and then two months
later they do it at a party where
they're blasting crazy death metal with
the doors wide open turned up all the
way thinking the cops are gonna come and
they're tripping on mushrooms and
they're in the bathroom panicking having
a bad trip praying it to stop because of
the situation even like if you look at
some of the secular people like Jason
Silva who talks about the psychedelic
experience and they always say to be in
a safe zone being a safe space and have
you some good music there's music it was
crazy about the music tank it's like
when you're in those realms you feel the
intention behind the music like you can
feel what that person was going through
when they wrote the music and the
thoughts that went into it and is
projecting out you're able to feel it
now if you're sensitive most of it most
of us can kind of feel that without even
having the mushrooms but when you go
into those realms it's amplified like
crazy mm-hmm and so and you put on DEP
crazy death metal honestly for me
personally
other than that first season in my life
when I was 18 to 21 let's say and I was
all about just partying and getting
messed up and escaping so like you said
I was everything you're describing
that's how I was doing it yeah and my
experience was was weird
I liked being weird I was a meth addict
that was a coke addict I did crack I did
anything I liked feeling weird or out of
this concreteness but honestly the other
seasons later on in my life I think most
of the time it was by myself and in
silence or in nature and just the
natural you know with the ocean waves or
whatever and and brought me into that
silence where you could hear that inner
voice of the spirit you know knowingness
and because it's cool to listen other
music and if I did it would probably
like binaural beats or something like
that
yeah but even even like such a sacred
space and time I would really have to
already pre know what the message is
that's gonna come into my mind before I
just play some music or have headphones
and because you know you're allowing
someone else's thoughts yeah you're
allowing someone else's experience and
you're partaking and that and like for
me it being a very set apart sacred
special thing and encounter with the
divine I'd rather just encounter the
divine you know I'm not saying don't
listen to music or anything like that
I'm just saying my personal experiences
yeah I think for the last you know years
and seasons of my life probably for the
most part it's been silent in silent you
know what I mean what stands out for us
is because when we did them we're a
bunch of Christians a bunch of church
boys out in the woods having a retreat
eating mushrooms listening to Bethel
worship music on mushrooms now see if
you already know what you're getting at
like worship music I could totally do
this here's who's awesome yeah awesome
yeah so I think so I actually had to
refresh the phone lines and now I see
that we do have callers sorry about that
guys I'm gonna take these callers I
think max is on we're gonna take our
first caller from eastern Nebraska who
we speaking with hey I don't know how
the phone call he's gonna be I'm using
Google Voice instead of my phone okay
you know can you you can hear me fine
great nothing much you know I just I
fell in love with your music and
actually uh
you're one of the first people I got
introduced to after I had listened to
some spiritual music and never
and again and then all of a sudden I was
flooded by these three albums you had on
banquette but it was amazing for me
that's what something who are we
speaking where is this max but yeah yeah
this is max awesome brother
yeah dude they do I appreciate that man
that means about thank you it's really
an understatement I was lucky to find
you in tune oh go ahead go ahead
I was just gonna say that I discovered
Alice clay shortly after I discovered
you and she's amazing as well yeah man
oh yeah she's awesome in everybody yeah
and that that whole crew of Vinny you
know me and Vinny actually we did a
couple shows together I went to two
Slidell Louisiana did a show with Vinny
and then he came over our way we did a
show at a big party big house party and
have you heard of a spirit of truth no
I'll write that down okay yeah there's
another guy who a lot of people's been
reaching out lately who were fans of a
guy named spirit of truth and I heard
his name in passing look him up he was
dope and then there's just like the fans
were reaching out trying to make it
happen and so I got a I got a song with
him and they kind of roll in the same
camps as well so and actually Vinnie
made that happen he reached out and
traded phone numbers for us to do
something so we got some stuff coming
out as well so that's gonna be awesome
um are you part of the Lost Children of
Babylon because I've seen that I think
on like spiritual alchemy I remember
seeing that yeah I'm uh affiliate I'm
fellated with those guys and so every
it's just a big movement yeah awesome
man I wish they were doing more well I
don't really have I don't really have
much to say but I've I will just tell
you this for my schizophrenia and
bipolar I've been in the hospital 19
times in the last five years and I'm
very thankful for the whole experience
and that's why your music has such a
profound effect on me I think was
because it was like finally getting
another source of what I've been
experiencing and not just being knocked
down over and over every time I trying
to
playing what's going on with me yeah you
know what dude I get those messages
every day and I will tell you this it is
hard as an artist and as a spiritualist
to get those messages some people I
don't understand the messages because we
have a lot of people who are way far out
there man but I get a lot of people who
say how much the music helps them and
how they're able to cope and I will say
this that we've been able to pray for
people man and in those those episodes
stopped - any voices that are going on
and being able to just be weirded out in
groups of people and to pray and they
they get peace so I'm it's awesome dude
that the music's doing that and that's
what it's designed to do but uh before
you go man do you mind if we pray a
blessing over you yes no of course not
awesome
I'll start first and then Dan you can
follow up all right so I guess just
close your eyes right now I just want to
speak over to you right now in Jesus
mighty name god I thank you for max God
I thank you that he is the righteousness
of God created in Christ Jesus to do
good works I thank you that he's
fearfully and wonderfully made that you
got a plan to bless him and to enter
prosper him that you know the desires of
his hearts God you know the deep depths
and into the the secrets of his mind God
and so right now I just pray a blessing
over him that you bless him and that you
keep him God and so anything that's
going on that that that may make him
uneasy in his mind and in his spirit to
be uncomfortable and and hearing things
going on right now I speak peace in the
mighty name of Jesus God I thank you for
testimony right now I thank you for
deliverance for anything god anything
that our doors were open through
questions coming in about being on the
pills and maybe the pills are opening
doors right now we speak to the mouth of
the accuser and we quiet the voice of
the enemy right now perfect love casts
out all fear right now god I just ask
you to brought your spirit amal upon my
friend max god let it become real again
to him God take him even deeper God and
who you are and your love for him in
Jesus
mighty name yeah lord I just pray that
the simplicity of the childlike faith
just of the identity of who he truly is
every other saw and every other you know
idea and contemplation that anybody
wants to add to it is unnecessary but
the simplicity of the identity of a
child of God that he is your child he is
a child of light he's a child of love
it's who and what he is that that be
foundationally and firmly rooted in him
that that's the foundation of his
reality everything else is built upon
the reality of him as a child of the
Most High God and that little by little
the more that he contemplated the more
he lay hold of that reality the more he
proclaimed that reality over himself and
over his life that all these other ideas
and thoughts and voices and stuff fade
out into the distance weaker and weaker
until he doesn't even remember and that
he comes to this epiphany of remembering
back that he used to actually be like
that yeah and doesn't even know when it
stopped all he knows is it no longer is
and we are in you and you are I am and
he firmly understands who he is in you
who are I am one inseparable with that
divine love just let that love flood all
over him right now I'm feeling it all
over me just let his let your oneness in
your divine love fill and flood his
whole body his whole mind take over him
transformed by the renewing of his mind
this new identity they move into it yeah
and just have that one childlike faith
the seed of a mustard like a seed the
size of a mustard seed I am a child of
God and Max I pray that over you and if
you gotta say it a thousand times a day
that one little seed that one
fundamental doctrine I am a child of God
to keep coming back to however many
times you need to any kind of voice that
tries to raise up any vain imagination
that cut tries to raised up in your mind
against the knowledge of Christ that
you'll be able to just say I am a child
of God and that that voice be gone in
the name of Jesus amen
oh man it's real my brother it's real
well my body just got ridiculously warm
that was cool thank you I'm gonna die I
hope to god I can save that because I
want to make that a little song I can
play no so I was gonna tell you man
anytime you have
rough time you can go back to this audio
what we do a lot of times in meetings
and stuff will have prophets come
through and they'll record the prayer
over people and so they can have it on
tape and I've got tapes from 2001 2002
where men of God have spoken into my
life and I can go back and listen to it
and I'm taken back to that moment and so
you could do that you can pull up the
podcast the podcast is saved in mp3
format man and you can go back to it and
just know dude
like everything in the music it's real
it is the real deal and peace is your
inheritance man nothing less brother
don't settle for nothing less than peace
and love and joy and righteousness man
and everything that is beautiful in this
life is yours man and also anybody else
right real quick Maxine you might even
know other people you know from your
journey that you've met that go through
the same things like you said bipolar or
schizophrenic or depression or whatever
that prayer that we just said right
there that was totally unplanned that
was totally spontaneous and in the
spirit and that was totally the spirit
moving through a speaking so it doesn't
even though we were spraying it over max
that same prayer every word came from
God and you can share that with a friend
yeah going through the same thing and
just tell hey just listen to this prayer
man just open up and just you know just
listen to what these guys are saying it
and try to receive it and it's the same
thing it will work man well thank you
guys I really do appreciate it hey amen
any time you want to call in just say
hello you know I'm saying we are
reachable brother hit us up all right
man I'll definitely I'm gonna look for
your next podcast I hope you have a
planned one I want to hear you say this
real quick max I am a child of God I
just don't really acted like it you know
I've acted like I am God or I am the
devil rather than being the child of it
I need to work on that well I'll just
pray that my ego you have no idea come
back and listen to the whole podcast
later on man
absolutely well thank you hey I think
we're gonna do another one tonight
actually I think we're gonna have
Brandon bar drop on interviewing him so
we should be back on tonight as well all
right all right today I got a lunch
alone piece yeah awesome that's awesome
how the prayer works for other people
mm-hmm you remember we did when uh
breaking breaking bondages or something
on YouTube quite a long time ago and
people would come months later yeah
across the video and be impacted by when
you forgot about it years later people
would comment on it but like wow this is
powerful yeah
and it's it is powerful Manning I got
get messages and got messages all the
time about that it's cool so we got
another caller from North / central
Ontario who was speaking with oh hello
how's it going that mr. Creason yes he
what's going on Jesse how are you I'm
good I'm good
I just figured I'd phone in I just
wanted a touch basis I know in the
comments a lot of people saying that the
actual truth is forbidden and such
things as a strike yeah IIIi just wanted
to say that it's not a forbidden thing
as much as it is worked up our own
acceptance they'll only show you as much
as you're willing to look at is you're
willing to accept is the truth right
yeah because if none is essentially
trying to wrap your head around it all
at once wouldn't be the definition of
your own insanity you know yeah and it
drops it drops many people mad and just
like there's also some some comments
there saying that you know the whole
schizophrenia thing is misunderstood
that the whole schizophrenia thing could
be you picking up on spirits and
vibrations around you and and that even
that little bit there is driving people
mad you know I agree you know with the
activation and all that for people who
have read into the esoteric belief
system when the vibrations hired a lot
of us that weren't paying attention are
now noticing things right so the first
thing with uestion is our own
sanity rather than the reality that's
very front of us because that's what
we're taught to do by society right on a
day to day basis easiest way I've found
to explain it to people is we have to
slow down and listen to the universe
it's not going to run us down and tell
us its secrets and it will not guess any
further than our mind is capable of
going right because it's not a forbidden
thing as much as it is like anything
worth having it towards working for
right yeah I got to do the work I need
to plan it you got it yet work you got
it you got to do the spiritual work and
it's not an overnight thing it's
actually a lifelong thing and and and
you know some people don't see it out to
the end some people it gets it gets
overwhelming or they can't handle and
just like we're talking about this whole
episode just the sheer loneliness that
we felt the necessity for a support
system yeah and it wasn't there so
that's why it's so important to
encourage one another you know it is it
is more important than ever that we we
all band together and encourage each
other and support each other through
this society's normal reaction is to
look at you like you've just lost your
mind
you know I did more I've been studying
and walking my path since I was very
young like very young I was more born
into it than anything I guess you could
say and so I I've seen what people's
reactions can be like and for somebody's
already empathic you feel their
discomfort with it right yeah so it can
cause disalignment in your spiritual
path you got to be careful the people
you surround yourself with right like
skepticism is good be skeptical of
anybody trying to teach you anything at
least it means you're paying attention
right you know but at the same time you
can't let them take you with the out of
what you're already knowing right what
you know in your heart what you're
hearing in your mind and you can't let
them try to make you question it because
if they're not there yet they're gonna
rattle your cage it's just a given right
it's their own soul crying out for them
to find answers but they don't know how
to go about it so often the result and
the they can be pretty rattling you know
for somebody who's trying to find their
way yeah and I just wanted to make sure
was clarified that you know it's it's a
process you know it's like you said it's
the work it's hard work no I mean it's
hard it's hard work
we talked about last night we were
talking about the same thing last night
at a little home gathering that we did
and the scripture and verse out of the
Bible that sticks out to me is the
spirit of the prophets is subject unto
the prophets knowing that those who have
or having these prophetic encounters or
seeing the future having dreams of the
future seeing spirits being able to
discern spirits on other people and you
not knowing what what that is you know
being empathic and being in a group of
people yeah and your thoughts are
jumping all over the place and you can't
bring it into focus that will freak you
out
it really will that's what's so powerful
it is for us but for everybody to to
speak about this stuff mm-hmm
yeah it's important that you cover the
base yourself you know you walk through
a mall and all of a sudden you're
feeling great five minutes go you go
through the mall and you just you feel
horrible or you feel sick or you're
nervous or all the sudden you have spike
of anxiety now if you go to a doctor and
you tell them what you're feeling
they're gonna medicate you yeah yeah
they're gonna they're gonna medicate it
and they're gonna set you on a path
that's going to be harder for you in the
long run right we also got to stop and
remembered like is this me does this
feel like me is this my day-to-day
vibration right is usually nine times
and it's not like I caught raging and
walking by people there it's amazing but
look man like I mean we we have examples
of this in the Bible where Jesus would
walk into a crowd of people and he would
immediately know their intentions and
you know what he did he knew they were
trying to kill him he got the hell out
of there and so that's us we walked into
a situation and you can feel the
vibration of the people in the room and
I'm in a bad spot go and he left let me
connect to things real quick because uh
like you're saying what's this guy's
name yes yes like you're saying Jesse
you walk through the mall you start
feeling these different vibes you know
you start feeling different or you're
having weird thought and the only way
that you're gonna be able to discern
that that's not me you know that's some
other thing and I'm experiencing this
external thing that's trying to suck me
in the only way you're gonna be able to
discern what's not you is by knowing the
truth of who you are you know because
then you can say well today you know I'm
in the light I'm full of joy I'm life
I'm living I'm all these things and that
that thought is not of me and I'm
reading right here in the in the chat
somebody else said Christ said I am the
truth he never said or shared the
forbidden truth absolute truth the
bigger picture in example the universe
is too overwhelming for a finite state
of being I don't know if that was you
that wrote that or not it was okay but
what what I would say is that ultimate
truth that absolute truth it's not not
I'm really able to be communicated in
words it's not really able to be
described or defined in words we just do
our best to transmit one to another the
experiential reality that we've come
into or that we've tapped into it we had
a flash encounter or whatever and that's
what it is with all the prophets and all
that you know priest knows think about
these books that they wrote about having
these open heavens and seeing these
beasts and all these things even though
they wrote it all down there's no way
that that writing can fully convey to us
what they experienced in that moment and
just like each of us as we have our
awakenings and epiphanies and
realizations do our best as a friend to
a friend to be like call you'll call you
up Derek you're not gonna believe this
dream I just had
you're not gonna believe what this
experience I had but the words will
never do it justice you know I mean so
that absolute truth really it's
something directly between you and God
and nobody will else I find without
encounter though those feelings that we
get though I don't find them a burden I
find them more of a blessing because
those are your instincts those are those
resolve new forward
was maybe year to help one was there a
time where I made burden you was there a
certain time oh yeah yeah yeah yeah I
I'm a bit of a different age because I
was how would you say I was very aware
right I started doing like I did my
first group reading at 13 and no cards
no tools no instructions never been
taught any of it it was just I I knew of
these things since a young age and
that's how I was drawn to people who
needed help and to exercise those gifts
I was you know that vibration and it
goes a little more extensive than that
but I'm just trying to cover the basic
dahmer a correct that we shouldn't
completely tries to chase those
vibrations off and not feel those things
because it's those feelings that are
going to help us navigate our way to our
path to that spirit enrolled right yeah
we try it has the other going back with
to what you said there is the burden to
it yeah a blessing and a curse all in
the same right because there are a lot
of people who it's it's shocking when
they find out that things exist this is
a reality right and if they were to
challenge what I'm doing at the time and
there's more than just them around it
can have kind of an adverse effect
because given what I do I'm to show them
right I'm not back out and say oh no
this was just a hunch because it's far
from it right yeah actually I dig deep
so it's it's I've run into a lot of
conflict and confrontation over these
things but the knowledge I gained on the
other end of it I wouldn't trade for
anything in the world other words kept
me alive in equations you know yeah it's
like I said blessing first it all
depends on what you're willing to work
for right yeah
there's no there's no mandatory distance
it's as far as you're willing to dive in
yes that's exactly true man hey brother
I'm gonna go ahead and put you on hold
brother thanks for calling in and
checking it brother anytime you got
something to share
laughs definitely take the opportunity
to call in say hello man all right all
right yeah
she loves long yeah I was I mean we try
to I try to I know you do too
it's try to filter everything through
the Scriptures okay how does how does my
encounter how does this fit into the
Bible is it in the Bible a lot of stuff
is and we don't even know it until we
have a frame of reference to even know
what it is so I was talking my last
night reading job chapter four waking up
seeing the spirit in the hallway and the
spirit giving him a message and like
that's real it happened happened to me
it happened to job but you can just
imagine reading over that and just
skipping it not knowing because we've
all read job but that story doesn't
stick out right and so we try to filter
everything through the scriptures and
like we're saying we have Jesus going
into a group of people and know in the
Bible says knowing their intentions and
he can field the intentions and leaving
and there was other times where they
were supposed to go to a city and they
went way out the way because they were
gonna have to cross through one city
they went way out the way because there
were people waiting for them to capture
them and mess them up in the city that
they would cause through and the spirit
told them that and they knew it by the
spirit to go around we have to be able
to discern those things in our lives
using our intuition our gut feeling
which is our God feeling and that's how
God speaks to us through our gut and eye
inward knowing mm-hmm and it sounds like
another voice and I'll say just like how
I said at the beginning of the podcast
today there are a lot of people that
find us
maybe they hear us vocalizing and
speaking things that they have not known
how to define or how to say but they've
been feeling it so they get blessed by
like oh my god you're speaking these
things out so now I have words to
reference this frame of reference and
that's the same thing what it does would
us in the Bible a lot of times it's like
we're already experiencing things we
find the confirmation as a reference in
the Bible and then Adam the very first
thing it says he did was he started
giving names to all the animals so we
need words to identify everything that
we are experiencing in this realm and so
really that's what it is and what I was
thinking about like let's say you're
reading something and I say
you know he he passed a red Chevy Impala
dadada but you don't know that a Chevy
Impala is a car so there's no way for
your mind to even register what that is
so you just keep going past that until
you hit the next words that you
understand yeah
and so like when you mentioned job and
him seeing a smoky spirit and all these
kind of things if there isn't already
some kind of reference in your mind for
that kind of reality you just keep going
till you see something you know but then
once you have somebody else talking to
you about spirits like you say you go
back the next time you're reading it
you're like oh or somebody teach you or
show you these words that define or
reference realities yeah that's what
it's all about and so I think ultimately
what's good is that even if everybody
else not we always try to go back to the
Bible as our foundational reference
point and so even if people are hearing
us they're like oh you're speaking
things out that I never knew they don't
even know that there's somehow getting
the foundational reference into it yeah
and then we may be able to lead them to
the Bible and show them that's our
reference point and then they might wind
up going to the Bible for themselves
yeah and developing a relationship in
the word happens all the time
and when that started to happen for me
when I really began to study the Bible
or ask these questions or Google the
questions as well I would come that I
would be reading the scriptures and it
would be stuff that I knew on the inside
and then I would read it in like I knew
that but I didn't know how to vocalize
it and I didn't know it was in the Bible
even though I knew it on the inside
guess maybe that has to do with the Word
of God is written upon your heart the
law is written upon your hearts and so
we're reading it in the law is is the
universal nature of God the love of God
essentially made manifest through Jesus
but he is the Word made flesh and that
word is written upon our hearts and when
you read that and you coming in it so
it's a weird experience to know that and
it wasn't at the beginning definitely
wasn't at the beginning there was a
level that I got to wear that stuff sort
of happening like crazy and then other
people Watchmen for example he got there
he would he would have these knowings
and his experiences and then find them
as he's reading the Bible and know it
mm-hmm and give or take some people
would just they don't really have a
reverence for the Bible or anything like
that so they well that don't mean that
to me but yeah when you have undeniably
come from let's say darkness and
depression or oppression and now you
know you're no longer there and that the
catalyst that got you here was these
words that you read and that you
believed you know my mind's gonna think
now what I was going that but having a
foundation because especially when
you're going through this spiritual
journey we've talked about pendulum
swinging back and forth you know you
doubt in or you going back and forth in
your beliefs having something that you
can rest on as a unshakeable
foundational thing even though your
understanding of it might change but
that word is always there that word is
there that word is there you can keep
coming back to that word and you always
will find something to give you in that
moment of doubt words shaking some sort
of little personal security word there
at that time that brings you back into
that state of rest even though
everything else is changing around me
even though everything else is
questionable right now this one thing
like I always say the the message of
grace and love it always was exposed to
religion but at 22 in a jail cell
I believed for the first time that I was
loved of God and that God loved me and
he filled my whole cell he filled my
room with love so all the years walking
out to that things came things when I
changed my mind on different things all
that but even when I would be
questioning everything the one thing I
could not let go over give up or shake
was this belief that I am loved by God
you know and I found that through the
word and so it's like my my life of my
Palace is built upon those fundamental
truths yeah everything everything
filters through that that's tangible
like the Grace and peace and love that
that's ours
it's our inheritance and we can give it
we free as we freely received it we can
freely give it and that's tangible like
a lot of this stuff people want to talk
about doctrine and some max just said
the other minute oh my whole body full
of warm I knew that was gonna happen
because I felt it on my body as I was
praying yeah you know and to transfer
what about of life and that's what we
talked about even in dad
of words enough spirit we're talking
about the baptism of fire what was that
that was the fire it's the fire of God
at the very beginning we talked about
none of this makes any sense none of
this is worth anything without the fire
of God without the baptism of the Holy
Spirit and in a little conversation like
that he had an encounter with the Living
God God so has a lot of work to do on on
you Max and on me and on all of us but
that is a monument like he said I want
to go back and listen to this
we have those monuments built we have
those things that remind us of certain
places in parts of our lives we have
monuments that are built and I
consciously told him look if you don't
remember any of this remember this one
thing I am a child of God and let's say
he starts putting that into practice
here and there and over years he doesn't
remember where he heard it from or why
he started doing it but it just becomes
a part that he always proclaims over
himself you know and well that's why I
was talking about not understanding a
concept until the Holy Spirit teaches it
to you you can hear it as many times as
you want but when the truth the Spirit
of Truth makes it real for you you're
not gonna grasp it but when you come to
do he can easily repeat how much I write
but soon as that is where the faith
where faith as a gift is given to him to
accept and believe and receive and then
open his mouth and vocally proclaim I am
a child of God when from that moment
forward I can never be taken from you it
will never be separated from you you may
you know get attacked by doubt and
thoughts and all kinds of things but
that reality that seed that was sown
inside of you and takes root because to
become a tree of life I'm a child of God
you know nobody can take it when the
mind in the heart connect is one thing
to have the idea the spark the thought
patterns come from your mind come from
your heart is one thing like that's
powerful but the power to create is when
you speak it out and confess it when
Paul talks about salvation he talks
about believing in your heart not just
believe y'all believe in God no you
confess it and you manifest it and you
create it and so whatever it
this is that's that's universal law as
well the law of manifestation and
creating but when you speak it out and
you you proclaim it you preach it you
prophesy it that's what that's when you
give it power and you breathe life into
it so when you say I am a child of God
not to just say it and repeat after Dan
but you know you come into understanding
of what it means to be a child of God
that's when we walk in power and nobody
can take that from you then you're not a
Christian you're not a Muslim you're not
a Hindu you're not stupid you're not a
fool you're not a you're a child
of God don't take the name of the don't
take and I even seen on your on your
wall over here you had the Ten
Commandment or whatever and I seen
something last night that stuck up for
me and it says thou shall not take the
Lord's name in vain
I always thought with that's not used
the Lord's name in vain you know cuz
people don't say yeah yeah yeah no no
but like when I got married to my wife
she took my name for herself and and the
name of the Lord that was revealed as I
am
he showed me that a long time ago that
once you use that powerful segment I am
and you add any of these things I'm
stupid I'm just a mess up I'm fat I'm
ugly I am I am you're proclaiming this
power to keep being that you know to be
and to sustain this reality don't use
that in vain yeah I am a child of God I
am light I am the truth I am love I am
peace I am all those things because I'm
in him and he's in me I don't know if
you've seen it but in there my bathroom
in my mirror I stood there when they
would have silhouette and I just traced
in my outline with words just says I am
free I am made new I am the
righteousness of God I am healed
I am called I am forgiven like in all
these blessings and it just outlines my
body so when I go and brush my teeth or
shave or brush my hair I'm looking at it
and it goes around my body is silhouette
of all these promises of God that I am
and it really is because you know we're
bound by time and space or the illusion
of time space you know saying but the
spirit is eternally now there is no you
will be loved by God or you will be with
peaceful or you think that you know I'm
saying we have to work towards this
goal at some future point in time well
maybe he will forgive me right that's
something like with God it's all right
now eternally now that's all that exists
is it ever-present eternal now and all
those promises all those things are
accessible right now says every
spiritual blessing in heavenly places
has been given unto you it's been given
and he said it's finished
that's what we talked you were talking
about last night it is finished and and
that that's big too because and I still
then learned that moreover from a
universalist who talked about the
finished work of Christ the finished
work not to like like we used to pray in
and it was on what we wouldn't say it
but it was almost like okay let you can
say the sinner's prayer and let's see if
God will forgive you right now we
wouldn't vocalize that but it was almost
like that and maybe if you had an
encounter we'll see if God will forgive
you but we're coming from a place where
everybody is already forgiven whether
they asked for it or not it is weakened
solid unto God and when you ask when you
ask what you come into the knowing of it
we're talking about I am I am forgiven I
am made new I am called ala and you come
into I am verses I will be or I in mind
that I am is the rock that all things
are built upon because if it's I might
be or I am for the moment but something
else can take it away from me there's no
surety in that yeah there's no certainty
in that so the fact that we are because
of he who is I am and we are in I am and
it's his life flowing through us like he
says I am the vine you are the branches
and it's my life flowing through you
guys I don't have my own life what life
do I have what life what life in my
generating it's his life flowing through
me and sustaining me he holds all things
together by the power of his word so I
was like that's the rock that's the
foundation that every other idea you're
gonna entertain every other belief every
doctrine all that stuff is secondary it
says that Christ is the cornerstone what
Christ said before Abraham is I am I am
the bread of life I am the gate I am The
Good Shepherd so he's telling you these
aspects of himself but what he's really
telling you is who he is I am and that
that cornerstone is the foundation and
everything else got to be built
and then the then the Apostles and the
prophets and all that stuff where we're
developing our paradigm you know by
these teachings of spirit but the
foundation has to start out as I am no
one who you are and and once you know
who you are and like what we're talking
about you you hear at first faith come
by here and hearing the words of God but
sooner or later you got to move through
faith and come into knowledge this is
eternal life to know God and believe in
the one he sent Jesus Christ you know
and he said before Abraham was I am
so before religion before what you have
something to show for it was always was
I am was always always there a higher
Shara higher I am that I am and I will
be whatsoever I will be which is the
powerful phrase name in itself you know
and that and and that shows you the
sovereignty of God that not just because
we're quoting this stuff when we're
claiming this stuff doesn't mean it's
all a cakewalk it doesn't mean like I
remember look and I we talked about this
like I remember being possessed by
demons like when I was a teenager
getting in the crazy occultism opening
up my mind to evil spirits and wanting
to communicate and they came through I
tried to touch the other side I stuck my
hand through that portal and something
touched me something touch grabbed back
and I was possessed I was going
schizophrenic all those things we were
talking about but it came to an end in
the name of Jesus when I surrendered to
him it was a long hard road out of that
but we talked about going through that
stuff and it was scary man it was a
darkest place I've ever been I felt like
I literally felt beings taking my grab
in my mind and pulling it out of my mom
I throw and I try I've been sharing this
recently with people too because a lot
of people got this idea that just
because you come to believe in Jesus or
become a Christian or something that you
can't have any kind of demonic
attachment or demonic oppression when
the truth is everybody that comes in has
all kind of stuff attention but I was a
believer and going to church and Ty then
and I went on my first mission trip and
all these different things having lust
demons in my life literally giant demons
addicted to porn addicted to
masturbation a
to lust like a completely lustful
paradigm but keeping a secret and
keeping it hidden but not realize or not
or not want to come to the realization
that these are demons attached to me and
driving me to do these things and keep
taking credit for it taking the Lord's
name in vain
I am I am doing these thing I'm lustful
I am just a I'm just I'm just I don't
know how I'll change but not wanting to
see it for what it was and like Jessie
was saying and talking of knowing who we
are and therefore anything that don't
line up with that it's something else
coming against us and oppressing us and
attacking us you know and there's so
many people in church and in bondage
because they think that they don't
really believe that demons and that
these spirits and stuff they are even
real I think it's hokey-pokey
and yet they keep doing these things
yeah I thought it I mean I thought that
because like being in a place where
demons are speaking to you they're in
your house they're taking your mind from
you you're hearing voices in public and
it was crazy it was super crazy I
couldn't stop it I was in witchcraft
came out of that walking with Christ he
makes all things new beautiful life but
to goat when I was coming going into the
the more deeper realms in being shunned
by my brothers and sisters who I loved
like I went to a dark night of the soul
then that was almost darker than
summoning demons and having demons
manifested in my mind and in my life
that's weird
misguided spiritually it was the same
exact thing it was it wasn't those
Christian brothers shunning you
it was demonic spirits in them
oppressing you to them just with a flesh
veil you know yeah yep and I well yeah
we you know we we talked about you know
we think we we think we've made it or
we've like those days are behind me
right you know but the whole thing about
that you know there's no fear in that
because Christ helps you get through it
and knowing James 4:7 submit yourselves
to God resist the devil he will flee be
submitted to God he's gonna see you
through it and not only will he see you
through it but he planned it for you
there's character there there's things
that you have to be sensitive there
in those realms you know only way you're
gonna learn it is if you go through that
you're not gonna learn in any other way
you're not gonna give a damn about
people who are schizophrenic unless I
make you feel what it's like to be
schizophrenic and I also give you the
knowledge that there is no schizophrenic
apart from you know demonic oppression
and all that so then you can have the
compassion on somebody that other people
are calling schizophrenic because you
know you're not schizophrenic exactly
you're under attack your exact
questioning for them to know what that
is
yeah and uh I believe in it God is
sovereign he is sovereign like all good
things come from him but you know what
all bad things do as well he's sovereign
man there's no war against the devil who
thinks he's gonna overthrow God the
devil doesn't think he's gonna beat God
God scripturally uses the devil to tempt
us to war with us and he sends evil
spirits scripturally to war with us to
be a lying spirit in the earth and all
of these things and it uses that
terminology that's the sock that's how
sovereign God is we look at the story of
job how God let Satan do that he's
sovereign he does it for a reason man
and it's to produce it's the pizza it's
the pressure it's like he has to make
character in us he has to give us a
heart he has to take away a heart of
stone man I was I would say that that
for me as a touchy subject and would
open a whole nother conversation what it
is a good example of how we don't
necessarily need to agree on every
detail yeah you know saying I believe
that he permits yeah well there's
scriptures that say an evil spirit sent
from the Lord no I understand like I
said that's a whole we could do a whole
fine no because you because you would
say the Lord is not Yahweh I mean I I
believe that I believe that that this is
a wreath this is a deeper reason of why
Jesus Christ had to come into flesh so
they go once and for all reveal through
action what is the real nature of God
what is the real nature of God Jesus
Christ is the exact likeness and express
image of the invisible God and a lot of
people were perceiving and attributing
just like we're talking about people
that
might be under demonic oppression and
thinking it's themself or even thinking
it's a angel or all different kind of
random things yeah and I think that up
until the revelation and unveiling of
Jesus Christ as the nature of God that
there was some confusion you know yeah
but it still happened with Paul though
when when when Paul had his thorn in the
flesh and his spirit of infirmity that
he sought the Lord three times and it
wouldn't leave and God wouldn't take it
away and the reason he sent that because
he was getting prideful from having
these static encounters and being caught
up to many different heavens whether
it's in body or out of body but he said
my grace is sufficient like I'm good
enough for you and unless you have that
you're gonna get prideful there are
these things man that day he has to keep
us in check man like we would get we
would and we have no there's a lot upon
line precept upon precept about how
pride cometh before a fall and no matter
how painful the circumstances the
situation is you go through once you're
out on the other side and somehow you've
gained or you've grown even the
slightest spiritually you can look back
in retrospect can be totally grateful
thankful I wouldn't take no I wouldn't
ask for none of their bag and I think
the most high that he did that but at
the time when we were going through it
that's it that's another story my god
even said when you go through these
things because remember no server is
greater than our master oh yeah no
student greater than the teacher so if
I'm going through these things they hate
me they persecute me they lie about me
they do these things and then you cut
yourself and realize you're suffering
the same thing yeah be happy by exactly
means you're on the right and there's a
blood there's a blessed in in it for you
if you do and there's peace in it that's
what it says I make I'll make a table
for you in the presence of your enemies
seems like everybody's against you but
I'm here with you I'm gonna see you
through it you have to go through that
you're not gonna give a damn man like
that's how character is built I've
talked about this one here with seven
like if you have somebody who's just
been given life to them on a silver
spoon they have everything had never had
to work for anything I could look at it
I could look at my own life okay there
were times when I was a teenager my wife
would come visit me where we were dating
but she'd come to Louisiana from Alabama
and she'd come visit and she bring her
parents car do you know what happened
when I got her parents car
dude up minutes we don't know we're
going to the graveyard doing donuts I'm
driving 60 miles on the interstate not
only this on the highway pulling the
parking brake turning it sideways with a
call for love and I'm I would never do
that in my car now that I have to earn I
have to pay for the upkeep and if it
messes up I have to work to replace it I
would never do that never ever do that
amongst oh yeah experience of the cost
yeah you don't appreciate exactly when I
was in it you could tell me nothing they
would like it would like chill out
it was scared to death I'm just like
freaking them out man I would never do
that in something I had to work for you
know and it's the same thing it's kind
of like the whole what we talk about do
you have to have a fight ultimately and
ultimately even even beyond that now
that now because you've had to work for
yours and you appreciate the value and
cost you also wouldn't do that to anyone
else's exactly if they gave you the key
exactly exactly exactly just because
they don't belong to me I would tear it
up you know and that's that's the whole
thing about earning what you have and
working forward and and you know
somebody gives you something man
sometimes you know you have to have that
frame of reference people don't care
they'll tear it up a lot of lot of
references about hard work pays off man
and it just gives you and once again
that goes to that verse where Jesus said
don't cast your pearls before swine
because they won't see the value in it
and they'll even turn to attack you it's
like a lot of these you know personal
revelations that we've come into because
of going through dark night of the soul
Oh going through persecution going
through all these things just because
you've been through it and you realize
and you have this understanding now
anybody else who hasn't gone through
those things
you could share that with them but they
might not see they might not understand
or even see the value in what you're
saying because it the value and
appreciation don't come usually until
you go through the experience yeah you
know that it takes to get the cost that
it takes to get that but and it's good
it's good to talk about it because one
if if one thing comes from it just to
have some frame of reference that's what
he was talking about I'm going through
what he was talking about no fear it's
gonna end I'm gonna be okay
there's a lot for me to learn here and
if I don't learn
got to keep taking the test over and
over and over again until I graduate
from from this course and that's how the
Lord is man and as soon as I passed the
test that does not mean schools Howard
quiz the course is coming up you know
and as long as you know that's what this
light is it makes it exciting like I
want to keep learning yeah I want to
keep growing I don't want to reach some
level where I think I'm there
I want to keep growing in the knowledge
of God growing in the nature of God and
so that means I got to be tested
we tried pass the test and learn the
next lesson keep going you know usually
the test has something to do with
responding like Jesus
we're spin do it what would Jesus do
find out what Jesus would do in that
situation and do it and use end in the
next time you have to take it go
straight to that respond in faith
don't doubt no fear trust and believe I
trust you God you brought me here for a
reason
trust that and you're on to the next one
and people want to know like true seeker
how do I become like you how do I get
the knowledge or the spirituality that
you have take the test in it but those
tests are drawn up over your whole life
you've got it you got the handbook
you've got the manual but the manual
doesn't live the life for you either
y'all saying so you got to learn and
then practice and apply what you're
learning and as you start doing those
two things trust me this circle if
you're whatever you seek you find and
whatever you ask for you receive you're
not gonna door will be opened unto you
so if if your end-all intention is to
grow in the nature likeness of Christ
then you have the book you have the
manual you have the ability to go out
and practice and apply what you're
reading and if your intention is to
truly grow then be prepared like people
say don't don't pray for more patience
or don't pray for theirs because then
the situation is going to come to you
that demands that you be patient and to
see if you're really learning what you
say you're learning you know I've heard
I've heard that so many times but then
it's not true no but but whatever you
seek and if you really see if ya really
seeking good as you say you're seeking
it's a good thing you're going to
attract to you the circumstance to apply
and practice and grow
that thing it's a good thing it's not
bad so with that we're gonna wrap up the
podcast thanks everybody for holding
this down live I'm loosing here reading
the chat thanks everybody for calling in
you guys are awesome
I want to say what's up to Theodore I'll
see you in the chat and bear bear
witness man
here's all dude that was awesome
synchronicity that you had and I think I
mentioned to you in the comments about
Brandon coming back on
I think Brandon's gonna be on here with
us tonight I think we're gonna do
another podcast and go live here in a
little while and maybe five hours from
now or so and Brandon's supposed to be
with us so we'll be interviewing him and
uh picking his mind about some tough
questions and stuff as well so that'll
be cool we'll have the phone lines open
for that too so with that I'm gonna say
Shalom thank you guys for hanging out
with us Dan if you want to kind of give
your links out and kind of just kind of
tie back in to how people can you know
follow you I mean I'm saying you go live
every day you do videos you new
inspirational stuff basically the
easiest way to find me is just
facebook.com slash MBK international my
brother's keeper was my organization but
it's still obviously the Earl for my
page it's the easiest way to find myself
facebook.com slash MBK international
it'll pull up Dan and Kayla osku Pinsky
and or or through Derek's page because
he tagged me and stuff sometimes you
know she could just click the link and
come to my page just kind of seeking the
Lord right now he's lining up different
things like I said where my family's
getting ready to move back to the states
so we just connect with me just like
Derek I mean I um anybody who knows me
knows where to find me 24/7 send me a
message and I'll get back to you quick
yeah if you need a prayer if you want to
make a phone call and talk to me or just
shoot me a message and stat simple guys
and just to answer a question really
quick canto I did see your question
about do I have plugs yeah I'm wearing
plugs I have a 3/4 gauges perfect size
for me he said he's just starting out
that process that's a journey to cool
process but um yep 3/4 stretc mine up so
I had to add an inch and miss my ears up
pretty bad it wasn't good I had a what
they call it blowout it's not good yeah
be careful
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