The Seeking Process | The Awakening of the Christian Mystic | Fred Lynch

The Seeking Process | The Awakening of the Christian Mystic | Fred Lynch
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spiritual journey and uh in Christian
ministry and had a spiritual awakening
to some of the deeper truths that many
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conversation my friend Fred Lynch how
are you doing Fred welcome to the power
waves out here man it's really good it's
really good what you're doing Thank You
Man we've been talking for the last
couple weeks some really good
conversations that would definitely be
good to talk about on the podcast we're
talking about awakening and the deeper
levels that
you know I would dare to say God is
calling you to showing you some some
deeper truths and other texts and just
how it correlates with the scriptures
and stuff like that and God really just
seems like blowing your mind and almost
maybe making all things new at this
point right when you've just been in
Christian ministry for for some time now
and it kind of get into the monotony of
it and then you're introduced to these
deeper levels of God's glory these
deeper levels of spirituality the way
like the science of the spiritual
beliefs that you've had for a very long
time and it's blowing your mind you
reached out to me after watching the
podcast and we just kind of hit it off
ever since man so again Fred welcome to
the podcast bro I think it'd be a great
place to start just to kind of let
people know where you come from because
you you come from a place of Christian
ministry you've been doing it for a long
time you've been with some pretty big
names in the Christian movement and
things like that so if you want to go
ahead and share your credentials and who
you are man that'd be awesome
I really been fortunate I've been
fortunate I've been loved well I best
stuff because that's the best way to say
I'll start it out I've been loved well
and I think those that are loved well
you can tell how they're able to love
others back and so I've been loved
really really well and been fortunate
man I started way back in the day my
background as far as hip-hop I started a
gospel rap group called preachers in the
skies or PID back in the 80s late 8th
early 90s we did about 5 albums
altogether we started to name PID stands
for preachers in disguise
we started out man I was a youth pastor
I started as a youth pastor in about 17
18 years old went to Bible school at 16
years old in Texas in Dallas Texas and
just got on fire forgot man I gave my
life to Christ and as far as you know
that that whole awakening was raised
Catholic and always sits that spiritual
call on my life you know that sense of
getting connected and closer to God and
the whole journey has been
this process of growing growing growing
and then also winning something opens up
and then you grow in that growing that
growing that and then before you know it
zoom something opens up and so this
whole process of awakening now has been
just an ongoing trend with my life but
but going back to 13 14 years old I was
challenged with Scripture and I kind of
started getting into Scripture with my
uncle who was a minister who had
actually got kicked out of a Baptist
Church he was a Baptist deacon and God
healed him miraculously healed him the
doctor sent him home to die and he had
tuberculosis and cancer and so on so
forth Eve he fought in World War two
Wales an old-school southern cat and the
Lord healed him he went to a an
evangelist who laid hands on God healed
them and not only they got healed him
but God gave him the gift of healing so
when he came back to his southern black
Baptist Church and start playing praying
for people laying hands and they started
getting healed the church was in the
uproar they basically just say you know
I don't know if this is gonna work here
at our church yeah so he just having
home Bible fellowships just having
studies at home and we stayed with him
during the summers we were originally my
mom moved us to San Francisco California
and during the summers we would come
from Cali come back to Texas and we
started hanging with him and just
learning about life learned about the
scripture I started digging into it and
getting into it and then the Word of God
started getting into me and then to me
and I gave my life to Christ at about 14
13 14 ish at that time throughout my
high school on fire for God's sharing
with people about Christ taking my big
family Bible to school I was that kid I
was that kid talking to everybody not
pray for you know yeah how can I pray
for you do you know Jesus the path my
thick name was Jesus loves you because
that's what I was be sure I was sure it
was all mostly it was an interesting it
was almost like a conviction that pseudo
it was
a religious like thing that I felt I had
to do duty right if I didn't talk to
anybody about God and I remember
actually sharing with my uncle and I
love I think I for his wisdom because I
remember being at that point in my life
that I didn't talk to anybody about
Jesus I didn't lead anybody to Jesus I
didn't find a sinner that I can talk to
about God and and I was looking a little
depressed and he was like what's wrong
and I was like I hadn't found anybody to
talked about about God today he said
we've been talking about God for the
last 45 minutes he found somebody you're
good you know and it was that type of
discipleship that I grew up in well I
dropped out of high school at 16 because
I was ready to go preach the gospel and
drop out for crazy reason well I would
say crazy reason I dropped out because I
wasn't doing good in school effect
giving my life to Christ and growing in
discipleship I started learning better
incredible thinking and studying
scripture and reading comprehension and
all of that so things started coming
together as they came together I started
reading the scripture and it's you know
go into all the world preach the gospel
well so young black man I'm in this
school system that's kind of hitting me
into this you know cog in the machine
that either I'm gonna be like those that
I see around me and end up in this
corporate you know prison or I'm gonna
end up in jail and I saw the escape is I
could end up doing what God called me to
do
I think he's called me to go into all
the world so I dropped out of high
school when I dropped out and I came
back to my my uncle it led me to Christ
and I told him and I told him full of
pride I thought he would be like
congratulations Freddy yeah going out
there and preach the gospel it's the
second time they ever saw him cry in my
life he just broke Brian he was like you
know not don't drop out you know and
there's a 16 year old black man I didn't
even get it I was just like you know I'm
ready to go change the world and he was
like you don't understand this world in
this system the fact you being a high
school dropout you know as a black man
who's gonna even listen to ya so I
going to a Bible School in Dallas Texas
price for Nations Institute a 16 and
about 18 I started 17 I started
pastoring as a youth pastor at the inner
city church and from there we started
just doing some things with hip-hop we
started going out on the street and we
would do outreach is where we would we
would start rhyming and people will
start coming in and we'd start preaching
and then they started filtering out and
so and we preach and run and preach
around and preach and from there we just
got our name preachers in disguise it
was in the disguise of life now talking
about that whole trend of awakenings
later on probably about our third out
and we just drop the disguise had named
our name preachers you know and but that
was care about our whole process but we
started you know we kind of some of the
the hip-hop old hits pioneers you know
before some of the other great Christian
hip-hop movements came along before they
look raised before the cross movements
that and all of those cats
we were we were gratefully you know
thankfully out there just doing our
thing and we we found a love man it
wasn't it wasn't the love in the
industry at that time in fact they
didn't know what to do with us in the
Christian industry nor in the secular
industry we got a chance to open up for
some different groups and do some things
you know touring but it was like those
old blue haired grandmothers now look at
us and say baby I don't know what you're
saying but you reach it you reaching
these kids gone and do it to to us that
was a grant we was like okay bet let's
go do it
and then I era came up with preachers in
the skies SPID SFC soldiers Christ
dynamic twins freedom of soul that was
our night our era and we had a good time
man doing what we did that's awesome man
so you've been in it for a while and you
you uh you went with someone else on on
ministry as well like after that you yes
I did we did about five albums
interesting process in that my
brother who was our DJ he he had become
Muslim he had given you know a lot of
his study in fact the first night I ever
preached he gave his life to Christ and
he was that same type of dude on fire
for God he was like a street preacher on
fire you know these cats right he was a
cat that was at the bus stop preaching
you know and the whole nine you hear him
ride down Street hallelujah Jesus come
back that was this dude you know and
eventually through life life
circumstances he asks I started my rap
group and he asked if I could be he
could be our deejay so he started
traveling with us at that particular
time especially there was a rise of the
Nation of Islam if you familiar with the
Nation of Islam
yeah and he had just started engaging
some of the things that they were saying
and he saw some truth in what they were
saying and specifically it was true that
especially a lot of black Christians
weren't acknowledging and a lot of that
truth is dealing with just the systems
and knowing how to battle the systems a
lot of church you know just the weight
search is built the only way you know
just look at the whole spiritual side of
it but but really look at Scripture it
looks at both spiritual as well as the
physical the social how do we deal with
that so by the way I was disciple does
have a Bible in one hand and a newspaper
in the other you know just be able to
know what's going on society and knowing
how to apply the two so my brother he
got involved with the Nation of Islam
and really connected with them he
eventually became a 5% and at that time
and this was a time in my life that I
mean it was devastating for us and
devastating for me I was like oh I can't
believe you're doing this and and I and
I stopped I shut down the group no
there's more to that story but I'll kind
of take a herb when I shut down that
group I connected eventually with a guy
the name of Josh McDowell Josh McDowell
is a well-known apologist in the whole
Christian world which apologist you know
be an apologist you know sharing why do
we believe what we believe
defending the faith and that whole deal
and so I started traveling with Josh I
became the host of his youth events and
started touring and toured with a lot of
different people that was in that whole
world and so did about said well gosh
about seven years with Josh we did about
three tours together and what I would do
is I would host his events and then I
would do my music and hip hop so I would
open up basically for whether it was
Josh but also from Rebecca st. James and
the Newsboys and just some of those cats
just in the Christian music industry and
world and so from DC tall to-to-to bebe
and CeCe Winans you know that whole era
all of those cats was was my people my
friends and stuff so I got a chance to
do that and it was again it was once
again part of my whole journey which I
love to do it as far as with my brother
we are very very close now but you could
imagine you know a Christian and a
Muslim you know trying to figure it out
you know and most of our first three or
four years was just argue we just are
back and forth and went back and forth
and I got all my apologist tools and I
battled with him and he got all of his
newfound truths that he battled with me
and we've been back and forth and it was
a time in my life where the Lord spoke
to my spirit in my heart and he's just
simply said there's Fred Freddie don't
you realize that I'm big enough then if
he's even running from me that he can
run right into me you don't have to try
to fight and try to control the process
and allow work in his life and that's a
great place where
no it helped me learn and understand
okay
God's in control let God be God and let
him be big enough to handle all of his
children and because that's what he does
anyway and so that has been our process
so there's been some really good
reconciliation with my brother and I you
know at that particular time we were now
enable I wouldn't able to hold that and
handle that you know what would have
been like now I mean we don't see that
to this day to have some you know one
big professing yes I'm you know really
seeking after truth as as a Christian
and then yeah well I'm seeking out the
truth as a Muslim and so well let's
let's go do some something together you
know it's just I don't know if the world
is ready for it I don't know if the
church is ready for it but that's what
we were at and I kind of I wasn't ready
to do it yet so I shut it down travel
with Josh and had a good time traveling
the rolling working with josh mcdowell I
did that for about seven years from Josh
McDowell I started traveling with a
group called youth specialties where we
start where we were training youth
workers and speakers and use just the
basically the basics of youth ministry
how to connect with students how to
connect with kids and in that process I
kept doing my hip hop's kept doing hip
hop but it was an interesting thing I
was not in the mainstream Christian hip
hop world I was kind of on the fringes
through Josh McDowell was able to do a
lot of tours to perform in front of a
lot of people sold a lot of albums kind
of made a living for the last 15 years
or for those that those 15 years through
yup hopping on hip hop and after that
went on into deeper levels of ministry
that's awesome man um talking about
being able to to have a conversation
that's not trying to win them over um
for me that was one of the biggest signs
of my awakening well I didn't have to be
right all of the time I gave up my right
to be right I gave up my ambition to win
the conversation and trick you even to
become a Christian or stump you or
whatever
we're like every person is the
opportunity you have to win so you can't
like genuinely be friends with someone
who is not a Christian because you're
trying to win them you have this a
hidden motive and psychologically you
are you're always looking down upon that
person as not having the the truth or
whatever once I sort of have in my
awakening that left and that was
beautiful like that didn't have to you
know convince them to believe what I
believe and then deep down to be able to
understand was the fact that if I got
them to believe it um it like kind of
helped me with my belief like I don't
what's the word I'm looking for help
help me believe that what I believed was
right if I got somebody else to believe
it right absolutely it's an interesting
compulsion I think that's a good way to
describe that because I've been there as
well that there's this compulsion that
you gotta you know you got a share out
of a well I I personally would call it a
err an early definition of what love is
when we look at kids okay we look at
children when children connect with
other children one of the ways of them
showing their love for their daddy is
their understanding of their dad is big
their understanding of their father is
strong and so their immediate thing what
they're gonna say to another kid my
daddy can beat up you know my daddy is
greater than your daddy and a lot of
that is out of this first grade level
this elementary level this first of what
love is it's my definition of love which
takes me to where the scripture says
that the fear of God is the what the
beginning of wisdom
yeah and that's only the beginning is
the beginning because I look
something that's so much bigger than
what I am then here's my question if the
fear of God is the beginning of wisdom
then what is the end of wisdom what's
the whole filament of wisdom I think
that the love of God is really the
fulfillment of wisdom it's the it's the
it's where it takes it you shouldn't
have to stay in this place of fearing
God if you could say it if I stand in
the church folks would embrace it like
this I first came to Christ because I
didn't want to go to hell
yeah okay I first gave my life to Christ
when I heard the whole story
I got sold on the package get out of
hell okay I want that I gave my life to
Jesus because I didn't want to go to
hell but I didn't stay with Jesus
because I didn't want to go to hell
I stayed with Jesus because I fell in
love with who he is I fell in love with
what he was about and it was somewhere
in that process of a deeper level of
love for him that I was able to let go
of this compulsion that I had to win all
of these people because I had to start
kind of looking at myself and realizing
do I really love these people or am I
just as you say trying to hustle these
people into there my definition of love
I'll never forget one particular day
when I was in this type of compulsion
and and I loved it I I don't necessarily
disrespect or diss that level of
compulsion I understand it because I
have been there I taught evangelism at a
Bible School for five years and and I
and I talked on about the importance
that the joy of understanding that sense
of compulsion that you tasted something
good and you want everybody else down
here today I get that yeah I remember
when I was in that level of compulsion
once and this was back when I was young
I first gave my life to Christ and of
course I was just everybody got here I
had to be maybe 14 maybe 15 at the most
because I didn't have my car yet so I
was riding on a bike and this was the
old school husky bikes them black
Huskies that they had the big old foam
see that the seat was so big look like a
couch all your boys could get on that's
my name like right I'm right and I see
this person down the street right see
the person up street and of course what
do I sense you you you know this story I
feel the Holy Spirit says go go and tell
go tell the truth go tell the story so I
ride on my bike I ride up to this person
and then I have some of the terrible
most terrible lines okay
I had lines like and this is the line I
would let me confess let me get this out
true sleep this is the line I said I
said excuse me
do you know what time it is do you know
what time it is and he was like oh well
you know I don't have a watch
well the Bible says today is the day of
salvation it's time to know about Jesus
and I go in on this dude right and I'm
preaching and I'm teaching and I'm just
doing it I'm doing my own thing man
I had I had the old Bible tracks that
looked like a dollar then when you fold
it is the Bible pen I was mean it broke
its you know it was I was I was caught
up in that wonderful level of love not
knowing that there was a greater level
that I could go to a greater level they
God was already it right so so here's
the deal and this is where this level
start to break for me I'm preaching to
this kid I'm preaching to this dude and
he's just accepting it he's like yeah
that's good so we come to the decision
point so I say so do you want to give
your life to Christ he's like yeah so
I'm like okay great let's pray on the
corner right there in my city in my town
I prayed with this dude on the corner
and after I pray wouldn't we both have
bowed our heads we prayed together we
looked up he was like thanks I was like
you get it you're on your way to heaven
I gotta go get some bread because my
send me to the store in the first place
go get some bread man I was I was like
compulsive kids so compulsive had to
witness that my parents mount my aunt
and uncle at the time will raise me
they'll even wanna send me to the store
they knew that I was gonna be gone for
two hours but I was on fire
might've witnessed okay so so anyway I
was like you're on your way to heaven
I'll see you when you get there and I
took all variety when I take off riding
this is what I felt the Holy Spirit sex
feature I felt the Holy Spirit say did
you even know his name
and I thought I didn't even know his
many and he said so is that love and bro
that broke me so much I started crying
because it just is shipped my whole
world because I was in this one level of
of living in this compulsive place where
I had to everybody I saw and I know they
had to know God they have to know about
God they have to know about the level of
God that I knew about and if you didn't
know about this you might not know
something might be wrong I just got to
make sure you know and and guys start
showing me no no I'm working with so
many different people on so many
different levels let me work let me do
what I do and so that was a great place
of just questioning for me I didn't even
hear I had done one of the most intimate
things that you could ever do with a
person is pray with them to God but I
didn't even know their name I didn't
even asked for their name I didn't even
care about me what was the biggest thing
they give me caused me it's like I
didn't even care to know their name I
didn't want to know about them I just
wanted to know that they knew about
Jesus that I know that but if Jesus is
saying that we supposed to grow in and
do life together in love one another why
was that not the case for me why was it
that I just wanted them to pray this
quick prayer and then I can I can leave
them what will you know what will happen
in life and it was a good process of
awakening for me I I think we we come to
this place of awakening when we started
when we start honestly allowing
questions to resonate within us and then
we start seeking for answers to deeper
questions
this good man um maybe there was a
different revelation of hell that came
in there - I don't know you take on that
I know that that can mess with your
evangelism right because if part of that
Christian duty is that young man is
going to hell for all of eternity to
burn in the lake of fire and he doesn't
even know it
let me tell you what you did wrong type
deal I'm gonna tell you what God did
right so you want to tell them the you
know the gospel so there's a desert Duty
there and there should be it I was I
talk about it a lot but there's a
there's a short video interview on that
interview cycle of vlog that are Penn
Jillette did from with our magician from
Penn & Teller who is any you know start
atheist who's like really out there
disproving the Bible and make mocking
the belief of God and those type of
things and he's talked about that one of
his convictions or whatever shows
somebody came up to him and knew he was
eight this and gave him a little green
Bible and just say hey I love your work
love what you do here's a Bible my
information is in there if you ever get
a chance you need it just really give me
a call or whatever and the guy knew that
he was a an atheist that would eat your
lunch right this is what he does um but
pan talked about the that he doesn't
respect any religious person who doesn't
proselytize it's the highest form of
hatred to believe that somebody is going
to hell for all of eternity but you
don't want to tell them so there's this
duty that you have and you're freaking
out because everybody is going to hell
it's like the majority is going to hell
them you know your your teachers at
school the bus driver the freaking guy
at the store whoever it is they're all
going to hell unless you share the
gospel and I went on a rant about this
but like if you're having a bad day and
you just don't feel like it well that
person's going to hell because you
didn't because you had a bad day and you
deal I tell them to gospel so he's
talked about not even respecting anyone
who doesn't
share the gospel even though he doesn't
believe it is that what he must really
hate somebody not to tell them hey your
there's a cliff there and that's kind of
some of the discipleship training that
you've probably taught over the years
hey that person's what about to walk off
of a cliff and they can't see it they
don't know it you can see it you need to
tell them so I'm sure if you're more
lacks now and more wisdom and more you
put your view of he'll probably change
because totally change that's part of
her awakening how do you grasp that do I
even have to tell people about Jesus
what is the gospel is it the grace flood
what is is it something that God is
going to save somebody or God has
already saved everybody and we just need
to let him know that's another
revelation we talked about Carleton
Pearson and I've kind of ran into his
work early on two of like man he talked
about this grace flood and how Jesus is
the king of the world he saved everyone
type deal so what's your views on Hell
now when it comes from coming from you
know regular Evangelic or Christian
ministry your you know I have to win you
to to heaven right now to where it is
now you know ah let me preface it by
saying this I'm a big fan of a Richard
Rohr I think I've mentioned his name to
you before and said hey check this dude
out I really like his stuff and if maybe
some of your readers out there or
something your listeners out there are
familiar or ever heard of love his work
love his stuff I personally am an
ultimate reconciliation Asst
and Richard Rohr talks about this idea
of what we see in inhale and and what
what hell is I think that there is a
such of course there is a such that you
know we dreamed it up we thought about
it
then there's that's there the question
of it though it came to me in this sense
how permanent is hell or how permanent
is what hell does now let me I saw I'm
saying that by saying
I'm an ultimate reconciliation ax stand
as an ultimate reconciliation in this it
means that God ultimately has reconciled
everything that he's created
he's already reconciled it through the
work of Christ and not only through the
work of Christ but the very fact that
when he spoke it into existence and said
it's all good
before we in the Christian world see we
put so much emphasis on Genesis 3 where
everything fell apart but we forget that
before there was a Genesis 3 there was a
Genesis 2 and the genesis of one okay
that he spoke it and when he spoke it he
loved it it was all good okay but then
of course we know there is no great
story without great conflict so of
course it goes into this whole thing of
conflict when it goes back to the
situation of Hell this is where I
believe I personally believe that that
that hell is a place of cleansing hell
is a place of letting go of breakdown of
you know evil of letting go of things
that just don't work anymore but as far
as our eternal soul living in hell I
don't see that translation I see the
translation of the saying that we live
in inhale for possibly those that go
through situations hell living in Hell
for eons
so I tie hold on to that whole idea of
an eon being a completed time a
completed season I being raised Catholic
I love a little bit more of the idea of
Hell being more like a purgatory type
situation I mentioned the situation or I
mentioned the author Richard Rohr and I
mentioned Richard Moore oh gosh and I
just lost why I was going to talk about
rich but I see oh this is what Richard
Stewart talks about is that when we look
at the Christian tradition we've got to
look at the Christian tradition from the
last 2,000 years not the last
popular 500 years okay so we've got to
take in and we've got to also give room
and give space for those who were
considered fringe Christians the mystics
and those and so if you pull in the
entire history of Christianity then you
see a very different picture of Hell
than what we see in our populous view in
the Western world so so so that was the
reason why I bought out the situation
with the author Richard war and then
there's people who know who he is and
cat peoples now I love I love Richard
Rohr so ya got love for that cat man and
so yeah I just don't I don't see this is
one way I explain it to my kids and just
to kind of give you a story behind it my
kids became teenagers I really have to
deal with the issue of hell because they
weren't the cute little eight year old
seven year old kid that goes to church
and I can dance with them on the front
island and look so cute to everybody
else and we're having fun and they love
God they love God because mom and dad
loves God and then they you know cuz you
know when they become teenagers all of a
sudden they have a new set of values
right and so my kids start going through
that and when ultimate realistic
reconciliation really hit me was at that
place I started asking myself you know I
was involved in ministry at that time
for close to 15 to 20 years and I had
led quote-unquote led so many people to
Christ I had been a youth pastor and all
of this and here my own kids it wasn't
that they hated Christ it wasn't that
they hated the things of God and church
it was just that that's all they had
seen and known and they news a bigger
world out there and so my deal is I
personally said well I'm not gonna force
you and make you you gonna have to do
you gonna have to serve God I say you're
gonna have to follow as God leads you
that's what I want to do I want to
celebrate that because I know that's how
it became very real for me any time to
push told me and cram down my throat
won't work so so as they start doing
that I started seeing the whole idea of
ultimate reconciliation that has made so
much
more sense because I love my kids I love
my wife I love if they particularly and
not at this place where they're all
courting pull on fire got like for God
like I am does that mean that they're
going on here does that mean that all of
these other people are going to hell
then it just doesn't it didn't make
sense to me completely so this is what I
explained to my kids I said to me hell
is almost like when I wash dishes my
dishes are dirty I don't throw the
dishes out because they're dirty
I don't get rid of them and discard them
all I really want to get rid of is the
dirt that's on the dish so I put the
dirt I put the dish into a situation
that will not completely destroy the
dish but it will destroy everything
that's not the dish and there's some
ground in dirt sometimes that almost
looks like it's a part of the dish so
we've got to get him something that
really challenges it it's got to get in
some hot water I said to me hell is that
type of experience I experienced a more
of cleansing or getting rid of the evil
getting rid of the dirt on the dish
saving the dish and moving forward
that's and that was a very very simple
explanation yeah but I don't do it I
hold to it and I love that simple
explanation I think that our problem in
the Christian world is that we got to
the point that hell became a bargaining
chip and it became a very very heavy
strong bargaining chip we can get people
from church with this we can finance our
causes with this we can keep things
flowing with this but if you win them
with that fear you have to keep them
with the air versus winning them with
the love and ecstasy and who God is I
mean but even with that sometimes you
have to keep them with that you know and
I'm saying so it just becomes just how
this painting of the full picture of who
God is and there's a question in chat
and I'll ask this about you obviously we
don't
know what everything is with hell or
saying literally but somebody has a
question wanting to know for it for you
I believe that that hell is more of a
state of being and in the scriptures
where like in the Old Testament there's
really no mention of Hell at all except
from this conscious place of torment of
separation from God if you will you know
this place where I mean I'm in a season
or consciousness where I can't see God
or I've done things that kind of have
separated me and my on my own conscious
from God so that's what I believe but
then again even if that's the process
that we're in or a place that we can go
to for a time Kris Kris garner has a
question wants to know what about
unbelievers those outside of
Christianity is that are they still like
all going to hell is Jesus the exemption
from Hell or even believers I mean we
have to be purged to just because you
believe in half faith doesn't mean you
don't still deal with your demons or you
don't still deal with that stuff I've
even heard at one time this was a crazy
explanation but about the Evangelist
Damon Thompson well I really like Damon
Thompson but I was listening to him one
day and it made me just turn it off but
he was like talking about how God
created Hell for the demons for the
demons to go to it for them to be
tormented or burned up or whatever um
but he says that God didn't make hell
for you but if you have demons on you
when you die God sends those demons and
you go with them like I heard I was like
what kind of explanation what in Dante's
Inferno was this you know like you know
what so so with your understanding you
know I'm saying is it all Christians
exempt from hell because of Jesus and
everybody on the outside do they still
go to hell but only for a period like
how does that work that's a good
question
let me answer first of all with one of
the cutest things I've ever heard there
was an error that we had gone through
a lot of our reading of the questions of
Christians have demons or not right and
I heard somebody answer it this way
somebody ask the preacher kind of
Christian have a demon and the preacher
said well if if he want to like me if
they want to they could have it I agree
with you I think that he'll is a is a
state of being a state of mind I think
also with the question of Christianity
you know those outside of Christianity
if Christ is the Christ of all okay if
Christ is the and the word Christ is
highest the highest then from God's
perspective there are none outside of
Christianity yeah I'm with you no no
that's that's a huge way of saying I
believe that Christ died for all okay
that means in my all perspective is that
is all before the coming of Jesus the
man from Galilee from the very beginning
that all in campus are encompasses all
other whether there are different other
races alien races on different planets
that means all that has been spoken and
created all Christ
the the picture of the death burial and
resurrection of Christ was the real
revealed closing argument for how we
gonna make this all work for all for all
of us to come for all that has been all
there is and I'll take it even further
that even means
since the adversary is a personified you
know we personified the adversary that
means every knee shall bow yeah that oh
yeah that means fallen aim
Jules that means all and we'll read in
Revelation as soon as that death in hell
they both get obliterated death and hell
gets obliterated so the good that God
saw at the beginning of Genesis when he
created it all I think that was the good
that said the entire story not the good
for that good moment and I think that
that's what we end up seeing in in our
view of Christianity is that it was good
for just a moment that's not married and
it's only good on the honeymoon and the
rest of your life is just bad you know
just I don't see Christianity like yeah
there's some people in the chat saying
things similar like I believe you create
your own hell things like that maybe
even the tormenting of demons you know
what I'm saying the different torments
and things that we go through that is
personified in Hell and Dante's Inferno
whatever or the apocalypse of Peter
which is very much like Dante's Inferno
of these demons like the evil that you
did to people on the earth like that's
how you're going to be judged like as it
was done and as you have done it will be
done unto you I think that I know that
the dark that you've done it you have to
deal with it
like people and let's just use some
analogies like people who have like uh
or situations somebody who's committed
murder like you have to deal with that
demon for the rest of your life you have
to like try to convince yourself that it
didn't happen I have friends who have
who've killed people you know drunk
driving and they have to say they have
made up different realities in their
mind because they're tormented by the
ghost of that person if you've if you've
robbed someone if you've severely
injured someone you know most Christians
are like evangelizing to kind of
counterbalance the evil that they've
done but a lot of people who haven't
reconciled their feelings and emotions
they're tormented by those demons for
the rest of their life and their
buffeted and I believe God even allows
demons into our life
- but - buff with us to get us ready for
Christ's hood type deal on the earth
just just how Jesus was tempted in every
way and things like that but um there's
no escaping it like the repercussions
mentally and what that does to your
psyche and leads people to drugs leads
people to I mean substance abuse and
stuff like that were they whether things
that they've died those that substance
abuse that all of those type of things
that you're doing to try to try to get
and say well I'm going to deal with it I
think this and a scientific way of
saying is this cognitive dissonance is
hell
cognitive dissonance when I am my mind I
am in conflict because I know what I've
done in my body I've done in my real
life experience I have not come to a
place of reconciliation in that I have
not come to a place of true sorrow and
true forgiving myself and letting that
go and becoming renewed that's
resurrection but when I am in that place
of Darkness where I'm deeply darkly
guilty still there's a scripture in the
translation in Proverbs it says that the
righteous know what to do with their
guilt but the unrighteous constantly
just mock it and make fun of it they
maybe that's yes the rep remind yes God
has given him over to the reprobated
mind so that they would what believe a
lie well leave a lot there's a scripture
in Psalms that says this it says to the
righteous you show yourself righteous to
the pure you show yourself younger and
then it says this it says but to the
treacherous you show yourself shrewd
think about that it God's like if you're
gonna be pure I will give you more room
for more purity and more things purer
and you will end up seeing all things
pure okay yeah if you want to be if you
want to be wild if you want to be crazy
if you want to be trife if you want to
be like that then I'm gonna be just a
shrew
and allow all the life circumstances
that you see to be justice trifling to
be just as well to be just as ranch it
because that's what you see that's what
you want and I think God gives us what
we want okay
I have we take it even further than that
I mean and this is some of my friend
your stuff and the whole process of my
awakenings and stuff like this but I see
it like this is that I tend to to enjoy
some of the different views like so from
the Kabbalah stick the Kabbalistic view
of God was one and in this this
shattering and so all of us have a
little bit of God a piece of God within
us and that when we talk about the
marriage supper of the Lamb that is the
metaphor for a coming one because the
Christian metaphor for marriage is two
becoming one so the marriage supper of
the legs is really that sense of
singularity when Hall okay so with when
when all things come back together
what if hell is the real unjust knowing
that I am a part and the fighting to
stay apart because my belief of what
love and what hate is
love is the commitment to become one
that's what love it with all things with
all things
so therefore hate is the commitment to
stay apart wow I'm gonna stay art no
matter what and I'm gonna find excuses
oh it's your color always so it's the
food that you eat it's the way that you
talk it's and I find all of these
excuses and living within those fuses
those skewers you hear my hood coming
out living in those juices is hell it's
hell there is no way you can reconcile
look at where we are in our political
situation living within that that that
that commitment to being a part that
come the staying away that is hell order
everything like
we can do with me when we come together
it's the chaos right so it's like the
chaos even by design for those people to
keep us separate because there's power
in unity yeah the people who have
created the chaos are in unity yeah
understand unity and they understand
keeping you disillusioned and separate
right fighting amongst yourselves
fighting amongst denominations fighting
among schisms and speaking in tongues or
a Christian or not hey let's have them
fight let's and then and didn't even
break it down with you know from
religion to religion but even within the
religion to the denominations and even
within the denominations have all types
of other schisms as well um but there is
power in in unity but let me ask you
this just to kind of throw this and I
don't even know if it fits but maybe it
does cuz uh there's all this stuff about
coming together how we are the same
right because in Christianity like part
of my awakening was the whole thing that
I must show you why we're different
I'm gonna show you why I'm not like you
anymore I was like you I was asleep I
was a sinner bah bah bah bah in it so
you have the one-up on the people and
you evangelism or whatever um now I'm in
this revelation of understanding a word
people me and uh I'm saying the Muslim
there's a similar pursuit that's God for
truth for righteousness and right and
that goes from Christian Muslim
New Ager spiritualist Hindu whatever
that there's a similar pursuit but then
again within those religions there's
people even in your religion who they
don't even know God but they know the
Bible they know the scriptures they have
a form of godliness but denied the power
up power thereof and you may have more
common with the Muslim than you do
the person sitting next to you and your
pew that took my spirituality to the
next level it really did wonders for me
man um and then so finding out why we're
the same I get called out sometimes by
friends who you know do it in a in a
loving way shout-out to Kenny but this
is we all come in a you know
understanding together
God calls us to be holy God calls us to
be separate come out from among them you
are different you are a peculiar people
there's a mark upon you type deal
where does unity versus holiness cuz
like you you you you become so holy if
that's what you're seeking to like you
don't even talk you don't go nowhere
you don't talk to nobody it's just you
in the books and God you just state your
recluse you're so holy you're recluse
now hermit you've become a monk or
something right I don't think that's the
point at all like that God didn't want
us to do that at all so where does that
kind of we're separate yet the same how
how does what does that look like now
for you that's a good question what I
personally am doing now my day-to-day my
nine-to-five is I work in schools I work
for a nonprofit organization is called
Rachel's challenge
Rachel Scott was the first girl that was
killed in the Columbine incident and so
I go from school to school and in public
schools share her story this is what
I've come all we really share is the
power of her ideas of compassion and we
challenge students to live a life of
compassion that is an invitation for
everybody in everything I've seen
Satanists get hit with the idea of
compassion and it hits their hearts
warms their heart and they're like I
want to do more well guess what you're
invited to the party and to me if that
is not the essence of what kingdom work
is that's what the kingdom of God is is
inviting everybody to the party now now
that you're in the party how're we gonna
party to me that's the whole idea of a
higher call a higher level of separation
how I party I'd no longer party I wish I
couldn't remember this way I no longer
party the things that get me riled to
get me lit to give me krump are no
longer the things that I used to party
over I'm not partying over destruction
I'm not partying over separation I'm not
all into I'm better you
you're better than me so I'm that's
where that call of separation is in
other words my whole state of what
holiness is because this is how Jesus
did it like this of course we know that
Jesus was other you look at so many
people talk I mean there's disciples he
speaks the wind and waves and they say
what manner of man is this they knew
that he was other yet so they knew that
he walked in this level of truth that
was so hot yet there was rumors about
him that he hung out with the tax
collectors the publicans the sinners
he's a line there but why would they
call him a wine-bibber if he wasn't
sipping old son okay so he was connected
with people that's why I love the mystic
John John the Misses this is what I love
about mystics and I think that's a part
honestly true secret what draws me to
you is the mystical side of who and what
you're about that really resonates with
me I changed my tag on my Twitter from
hip hop theologian to hip hop mystic
because I because I think that when we
look at John the scripture says that
John said that Jesus was this perfect
balance of grace and truth grace and
truth you know all truth that I'm so
separate and that I'm just from
everybody and then not all grace that
everybody's in and then there's
everybody do everything with what they
want because if we keep doing everything
then of course cognitive dissonance
comes in because that separation comes
in and now we're all in heaven fight
okay and so it's not that there is this
level there's this constant level Paul
saying once in the book of Corinthians
yet I show unto you a better way and I
think that's a resounding theme
throughout scripture is that God
constantly just shows a higher way and
it's a higher level of thought and high
level of thinking here they call Saints
too and then we we achieved that but
it's not achieved that to leave those
who are behind it's too encompassing
inter-band them to connect with them so
our main with a party but
just like it's not parting on a lower
level there is a German word for humor
there's two types of humor and I love
both because I think all humor is
honestly based on paint but there is a
level of humor that's based on the pain
of others and forgot the German word for
it's a cool word that is is saying I'm
just laughing is it's almost a
translation for slapstick it's like
laughing and how somebody just got
slapped cuz I know that that hurt
and so I'm laughing at that that to me
is not necessarily holy humor okay it's
not it's not I'm not laughing at the dis
the hurt and the pain of others I'm
laughing at the fact that I know I've
been there and it's gonna be alright in
there it's kind of hope in my humor
that's the left next level but but I
guess I'm trying to pull humor in to uh
to kind of compare that with holiness to
I think that holiness that calls us
higher and at the same time we're loving
those who haven't got to that higher
place that's real holiness yeah but the
holiness we all know I know cats that
are so holy that I know churches and
guess it don't wear the makeup and got
the dress isn't on it and there just
isn't backbiting there just as you know
prideful there is they got hurt they got
pain and if you don't think that they're
going through him then one of the worst
hell is the whole hell of lying to
yourself you know you got issues you
need to get up those issues and I think
there is only in life and they're living
together or we're able to see one
another and see I'm there yeah the other
and so that's why we got to stay in
connection and we've got to do what
Jesus did have that balance of grace in
true and even that to like even though
he did kick it with the tax collectors
the Weinberger's the drug because he was
one of the the people right he was with
the people people he did that they were
seasons where he went away where he went
into the mountains when he went on top
of the mountain
to the desert too fast for days you know
what I'm saying so it's it's both it's
not I think both there is a scripture in
there's a piece in Kings where Solomon's
pray and he says give me the wisdom to
go in and out among your people and that
resonates with me I think there's this
whole process of going in and out
meaning this is my not my idea of
priests to it a priesthood is someone
that represents God to the people and
the people to God yeah
and there is there is tension in between
those two if you think I mean do you
ever do you have friends that like you
like man I wish these my two friends
could man if you knew this person man
you would allow this person then you go
back to that parasite you knew this
person you love them but you can both
get them both together and they really
don't get along as well as you thought
they would get along yeah right and so
there is this tension for you because
you love both and you want to pull both
together there is a tension in
priesthood then we all have to walk
through where we represent people to God
and God to people now I'm saying that to
say this I don't think that God secretly
just can't stand people that's our
problem I think we secretly came to
their people and we're surprised when we
realize how much God loves people and
the scripture says once again
proverbs it says that that all evil is
in God's sight opening God's eye he sees
everything so that means he sees the
evil on the inside of the church-going
Christian same gospel loving you know
got all my gospel rap and god almighty
eat but he sees all that ate evil he
sees it there because of course it's
there it's the part oh yeah we Tom just
loud no that's good man we talked about
your background ministry Christian
ministry we talked about some theology
we get we got it in on on the hill
subject right alright so let's talk
about Christian mysticism Christian
mystics did and usually those are birth
by encounters or
deeper revelations or whatever the case
is so what what are some of the things
and sometimes it's even hard eventually
to even pinpoint what does that actually
even mean like you didn't have a moat
you're you're like more loving you're
more compassionate you're more inclusive
like that's a vet that's a great
starting point but maybe the starting
point I'm not sure but um what are some
of the experiences that you've had and
like whether it's mystical experiences
with with Jesus with angels with
meditation prayer with understanding
healing and vibrations and words like
what is what is so could you're calling
yourself a mystic now we've heard the
Christian part let's hear a little bit
about the mystical side of what you
believe now or maybe the revelation of
what you've already believed and I would
I would say I think that most mystics
they can identify with this thread
through their lives of this this this of
this voice of this of this calling of
this resonance that pulls them to to
this place that has always been there
and so I can I can go back as far as you
know as a kid I was that weird kid I was
very accident-prone I was a kid I broke
my leg broke my clavicle bone broke my
arm fell off a house cracked my head got
hit by a car twice once on the freeway
well so street
I was very accident-prone kid and a lot
of it was because my head was just in
the clouds I was just listening to that
voice I was just in that flow I was in
my head I was in my heart and just
wasn't even in this world paying
attention that was my that was me as a
kid and the whole calling to Christ I
remember going I went to a Catholic
school my mom was a single mom worked 18
hours a day to get her kids in a
Catholic school because she was raised
Catholic and so we went to this little
Hood Catholic School in San Francisco
and I remember
in a confession and just telling the
priest I want more
maybe I should be Baptist not getting
enough I want more you know and that was
that had been me when when I gave my
life to Christ I remember times praying
I'll never forget I clinical I led my
friends my boys on the block to Christ
are there baptized and we had a creek
behind our house behind some houses or
in our neighborhood I was a little creek
we went to the creek and I baptized them
you know and that was I remember us
during the summer and getting together
and praying and I remember this one
prayer time was probably most powerful
moments I ever had we're all praying
with praying of spear and praying in
tongues and we're praying and you know
kind of just moving and we had and I
know this is gonna sound weird it's
gonna sound crazy but honestly when we
opened our eyes we had transported to a
different part of the living room now I
don't know there's maybe scientifically
you could say that we was moving our
feet up and down and so we all move
together in unison to a different part
you could say that all I know is that
when we stop praying
stop praying in tongues and we open the
eyes all at one time we didn't even know
what jolted us but we all open eyes and
jolt it and realize we're in a different
part of the living we're gonna of course
as we was young teenagers like that was
that was your boy you know and so right
now what's really in my soul it's
meditation let me say it - let me
preface it to say this because I want to
give some of my life story along with it
so the why behind it the last five years
of my life with my my marriage my
marriage had fell apart I had we been
married for over 25 years have a
wonderful beautiful wife I've been
married now for 28 born on my 29th year
but at our 20th year anniversary and we
had been done ministry and we had gone
hard and done all of this and and we
recognize that it start falling apart my
best way of explaining it is to say that
I think that the tools to live together
for 20 years we had that down but it
posts 20 years now yeah started having
teenagers now that we almost we kind of
knew instinctively knew each other's
moves and knew what each other would do
we had grown apart and we didn't realize
it and we didn't have the tools to live
post 20 years together and so we had
found ourselves heart and never argue
for 20 years arguing not seeing life I
die and all of this and it was
meditation that started pulling me back
to a place of loving accepting letting
go of the past forgiving myself and
being gentle with myself not being so
judgmental once again I was that on fire
minister always expecting the highest
knock and my wife was like look I'm just
tired all of that who regular
nine-to-five jail B's and just live life
like regular people and I was like no we
gotta go animation meditation that
bought me and so I decided I wanted to
go in deep and I started going in of
course I started with out with the
meditation apps from the headspace to
the calm and and that what that had done
for me what you know praying in the
spirit praying in tongues I got
challenged by people early in my life
you know Priya tones every day you know
and so I pray in the spirit pray in
tongues and seek God and all of that
what I would physically personally
experience Elyse imps and feel on that
spiritual high I knew it was the same
thing that I got in meditation that's
good though so walking in the spirit
when Paul beckons us walk in the spirit
that walking in the spirit when I got
into meditation I was like oh my gosh
this is it yeah I
and so I personally that that is my
thing now I I'm a practice of meditation
it's caused me to fall in love with with
what's happening in the whole Buddhist
movement
I consider myself oh I'm a Christian for
sure definitely but I so resonate and
love our Buddhist brothers I think that
they have something that we have walked
away from 500 years ago we got so into
the you know it was during the
Enlightenment or the Reformation came
about of that and we had to kind of
almost like put our product out on the
shelf when when you know enlightenment
came well this is what we have
Reformation and so much of what
Reformation was about was in our heads
improving through words emerging ideas
and arguments that we had lost
experience yeah and you look at John
John opens up this old old preacher what
what what why do we even need to listen
to you because he opens his old book up
was saying that which we've heard that
which we've seen that's what we touch
with our hands that's the word of life
that that's his justification experience
of walking with God mm-hmm okay
now and to me in meditation I I just all
sudden move out all of these other ideas
and thoughts and arguments and also that
thread that thread that I've said
there's been there all of my life that
thread begins it just vibrates I see it
I I know it I pay attention to it and I
just I just listen to I let the thread
do what it's doing and it just pulls me
in it it pulls me closer
now here's let me throw one of my fringe
things that I I think of okay this is
one of my friends ideas about God what
if from the that whole cabbalistic view
that you know there's this great
splintering and all of us what if there
is like this thread or this connection
that is pulling us all
sir back to God and so what if when you
hear like you know we all Christians say
got some spoke to me God spoke to me
what is the voice of God now this is
gonna be crazy I'm just let me just say
it what if the voice of God is the
experienced you 200 years from now 300 a
thousand years from now in the in the
physical element of time but it's the
very unis that's really you you know
that you know that you know how do you
know that you know that you know
anything how do you know that you know
that you know you know your true real
experience and if the voice in the
Spirit of God is just as you pulling you
to you
200 300 a thousand years from now set
outside of time and it won't let you go
it won't let you go yeah and so to me
meditation is is identifying with that
red identifying with that pool and just
letting it be and it just pulls me more
um Astrid is in chat and she took the
words right out of my mouth she said
higher self being connecting with it
higher self the higher self aspect and I
think we I don't know if we've talked
about this a lot but um the Greeks
believed that like we were the gods
experienced in themselves on different
planets or whatever having like being
tested here on earth and things like
that and it kind of gets into
Christianity this is a testing ground to
prove where you're gonna go when you
leave here type deal but understanding
that on that ideal and then the higher
self you're connecting with a you and I
wove this into the meditation that
you've connected with yourself before
you receive the body when you go in you
know communing I've been there
right the Bible says that we are already
seated in heavenly places with Christ
Jesus yes sir what if when we tap into
meditation when we become
still when we go to the place where
there is no more thoughts the place
which is known as in-between the
thoughts were able to connect not only
with God but with everything for God is
everything God is in the breath God is
you seated in heavenly places God is you
here goddess is is one here o Israel the
Lord is one what if we're connecting
with that man you know what I'm saying I
could see where you're coming from who
is that 200 years 300 years a thousand
eternity the eternal you that knows like
there's people who believe that we have
we have made contracts and we chose to
be here to come and do this and but
there was a place that we came from
before we came to earth some some would
even say that we're angels that fell
from heaven and we're here on earth
experiencing time slowed down right um
it's really interesting going back to
the meditation things and you're saying
that uh you know the Buddhist stuff is
really reaching out to you and for me
it's a lotta Hindu stuff more than the
Buddhist for me that's just what I've
but it's all similar and once you've
felt that that it that Holy Spirit that
encounter it can lead you different
places and to know God in the
charismatic chaos and tambourines and
spinning and falling out and people
running into each other and shaking on
the ground violently I've been to that
stuff I love it that's my foundation
right I've been there but then there was
a place where I got burnt out and I
started going to Messianic meetings
where the power of this crazy preacher
screaming sweatin glory what all of that
power was in a still small space of
somewhat of a meditation close your eyes
and just give God everything let him
know that you give him the cares of the
week the cares of the world and just for
these few minutes less focus on God and
so the power of those crazy encounters
was
a contrast of being still and lighting
candles and wearing prayer shawls and
just meeting with the family and just
like that's still power to go within and
experience the power of a you know
charismatic revival in the silence of a
small meeting right and then to even
that's me that's messianic Christianity
Christian duty ISM whatever you want to
call it I've experienced God there and I
was led to that but even then led to
Kundalini Yoga and to do yoga and to do
meditation and they talk about the
Kundalini fire and the essence and and
there's this different poses that you
put yourself in and it releases energy
and you get caught up in a static
euphoria and I'm doing it and I feel the
thread
I feel the ancient fire of the holy
spirit that I that found me you know
whenever he found me in and filled me
with the fire and I'm doing Kundalini
Yoga with these people and Sun
Salutation and I could feel the presence
of God it's the Holy Spirit and they
call it other things in every culture
the Chi the Kundalini you know pranayama
the the life force that animates
everything that's the breath of God the
Ruach you know what I'm saying um it's
there and we can tap into it by whatever
means um that's the beauty like that's a
that's a place of opening up ah
that you're not you are special but
you're the same we're all having this
encounter we have put different names on
it
we've put different labels on it of this
is what it is but you know the whole
problem with religion is that we try to
say that we own that like no that's ours
this is the Holy Spirit this is the name
of it whatever
it's Jesus well that's not even his name
Jesus never heard that name so trying to
own these terms and stuff man we get it
we run into problems but God is
inclusive god is dead I believed I
believed that the plumb line is in the
book of Acts you know where he says God
is willing to deal with any man as long
as they'll repent repent just simply you
know means turn from your foot listeners
turn from your sins and confess your
sins deal with your stuff you're talking
about not running from being separate
being a cognitive cognitive dissonance
like you're okay and your sin you have
to come to a place where you know you
have to you have to confess that stuff
and deal with it and God is willing to
deal with any man as long as they'll
repent that's whatever religion whatever
part of the earth that you're in you
have to do with that stuff but um man to
see that the the lines that all of it's
the same thing and we want to call it
different things and that was was
instill this big for me and it's what I
call syncretism studying what makes us
the same versus what makes us different
didn't you start finding out there so
much so much so much we'll look at like
the whole pagan origins of Christmas and
and this and and you talk about the
Catholic Church I mean even last night I
had we in the prayer session that we did
like I was led to look up this Saint
that this came to me look up this word
found it was a saint in the Saint was
venerated for being a fertility saint
and you know there's cards and statues
of the Seine and there's a day of that
Saint that the honor that st. all saints
day there's all of this kind of stuff it
all runs together and we start seeing
like the Catholics would invoke that
Saint to help them with their prayers
for someone who's dealing with fertility
issues or nursing issues they would
invoke that Saint in Hinduism they would
invoke a specific God that was known for
the you know fertility rites or whatever
the case is we in Christianity we have
these different names of God Jehovah
Jireh
Jehovah Rapha Jehovah Nissi Jehovah sick
Kanu jehova sholom we have all of these
different aspects of these different
pieces of God and we've given them
different names and we can invoke the
name of that God and the God being one
there is an understanding that you say
okay well yeah we call on the one under
with many names they call on all these
other foreign deities no like I've had
those conversations there is the schism
there where it's all personifications of
the one role all of these different
names all is
different personifications it breaks
down into that and even for me in the
scriptures in the Old Testament like to
see you know the different analogies in
the different allegory within the Bible
and it's all states of being that we're
going to play the role of King David
we're going to face our Giants we're
gonna have a giant when you call on your
destiny the you know saying the road to
your calling you're gonna face a golden
calf
now those golden calves idolatry you're
gonna you have to play those roles you
have to do that so they're all
personifications and even in Hinduism
even in Catholicism like it's all the
same thing
it's personifications of God and then
personifications of the psyche and your
spiritual walk all of it it's the same
that there's different characters
there's different names there's
different heroes you know we and if we
look at all of that we we really are
saying the same thing it's the same
thing over and over again so many of the
different religions started out in a
place of fire they start out in the
place of everything is just just a group
just great I mean we mentioned and
talked about the Pharisees a while ago
we talked about Jesus those that in his
particular time that he confronted which
were the Pharisees but if we understand
the Pharisees when they started off man
they had a noble cause that they started
off with they had started off something
that really was a distinct and apart
from itself and it start off so right
and you know it's it's it's the same
story of Catholicism it's the same story
in Judaism the very name Israel is
though the one that wrestles with God
why why is it that God said I'm gonna
call you the one that's wrestling with
me but we know the whole story Jacob and
Jacob II guess its name turn to Israel
but if sura al ezra the wrestling al
with god wrestling with God
what is it the gods like I like that
about you
I'm gonna run which one I'm gonna mess
around with you cuz you own a wrestle
leave your change break your leg yes
I'll touch you and break you you will
wrestle because I called you wrestle
I think it's almost just nice let's use
the analogy of the butterfly of the
cocoon you know if it's the caterpillar
that that wrestles out of it's shell
that finds its wings okay because this
is no longer needed when we look at the
whole idea of shells that are no longer
needed
think about harvest okay I thought about
this whole idea with harvest okay when
we do harbors let's just think of a
banana okay we harvest a banana ru is so
excited about the banana peel no you
don't even use the banana peel but the
banana peel is needed to shield and
guard the growth of the banana of the
fruit inside and once that fruit is
where is that when it's right now it's
time to let go of appeal I think it was
oh and I'm trying to think of his name
was it Cece I think it was Francis of
Assisi used to call his flesh the old
husk that's what he called his flesh the
old show a shell of a man still the
shell it's that part of me that I'm
growing out of I'm growing out of it and
and there's parts of our lightest parts
of religion that it's a shell and it's a
good sale you need that shell for a
moment because that's what it capsule
aids it holds the fruit but then the
fruit bursts out I got a sermon called
busting out and of course I'll take it
from Rick James bustin out because I'm
old-school like that but and I talk
about the idea of bustin out and when
Jesus said if any man believes in me out
of his belly shall flow rivers that was
the busting out if you believe in me if
you run with me if you hang out with me
then there will be a bursting out of you
out of you out of your belly rivers not
out of the next conference that you go
through ago to not the neck you know
it's the experience that you have that's
in you
that will burst out of the husk that
currently holds you it will burst out
and as it burst out guess what happens
after a while there is a bursting out
then there is a new HUS there is a new
shell there is a new box then before you
know it you bust out of that box into a
greater box that I mean if we look at
the way the whole body is created we all
started from one cell a1 cell organism
there was so much in that one cell it
was so much in that one cell that it
could not stay within the confines of
that one cell and burst out to two
separators now yeah and and that
separation though and see I think this
is what we're all dealing with
understanding you know the separation is
really the breaking into more of what is
it's all one I mean we look at one body
it's all one body but I made up of
trillions of cells yeah we are a human
species made of trip up of trillions of
lives and experiences and God is one God
here no Israel here if you want to
wrestle with me about this but I wonder
I'm all of you I'm one of everything but
if you you gotta wrestle with it though
you can't just take it for face value
you can't just dismissed it no I'm gonna
wrestle and I love the idea of wrestling
you know I says we wrestle not against
flesh and blood I think that what we
want is the knockout blow we just want
to get it just put it in a book let me
read it there's like no we're gonna
wrestle if you've never really wrestled
with somebody I tried to wrestle this
one dude who's a wrestler wrestling man
it's like I got you here but you got me
here yeah so we don't stay right here I
was like well I'm gonna get you here
well I'm gonna get you here and I think
that that's where if we look at our
lives okay so yeah I got the meditation
down but I can't sit and listen to my
wife oh you and a wrestle so that means
it ain't completely work yet huh okay so
now I can stand listen my wife but I
don't wanna play with my kids
now kids I'm grown oh so you ain't got
this thing yet so it's time to wrestle
because the kingdom of guys for children
so now I can be cute but I'm too much of
a kid and now I got it's all a wrestle
it's a balancing egg and this is the
thing that we gotta enter into life with
I believe we gotta enter into it the
same way we did as a kid when you were a
kid you saw a challenge in front of you
was like okay let's go let's get it you
wasn't like oh my gosh no it's like we
can play again every day I wake up I get
another day if this okay let's go it's
good yes sometimes you know they say if
your dream doesn't scare you you need a
bigger dream no go that it is that it is
that uh that wrestling match trying to
that's a balancing act
people don't like you know like talking
about the balance because we're like all
or nothing a lot of times even even me
you know what I'm saying it but I've
learned yet that you have to know
yourself and know you know I'm saying
your astrological sign how you make up
how your brain works like um I do
everything up you know 110 percent you
know anything that I've focus on it's
going to come to pass and that yes you
know you put in you do it yeah that's my
that's my callin with beautiful awesome
stuff that's in my rebellion that's in
my you know creating or branding
something that I had no business messing
with which happens to on the road to
your destiny at times and spending money
marketing and doing things and trying to
figure out what it is you know what I'm
saying and just knowing I mean that's
all the wrestling match that's all but
when you get after the match right
whenever you're changed man and God
sends you you come out of the cocoon
you're going through the process there's
a sending as well to go out and declare
the things that you know the things that
you've experienced and the troops you
know to be real and um that's that's the
best of beauty of it all is to you know
none
feel like you have it all figured out or
have you uh are an expert on anything
but this is your story this is your
story I think that we are called when we
read John once again the mystic he calls
us he did he starts out his story with
witness then we bore witness and he
calls that we are called to bear witness
and then he even says that in the
ultimate end of what we are called to do
is be in a in eternal witness bearing
with God himself okay we bear witness
with God and that is what heaven when it
says fellowship our fellowship was with
God
it don't mean that we go on you know
when when I grew up in church fellowship
mean we all eat potato salad together
you know that's you know so that mean we
don't eat potato salad fudge ernit II
know it was we bear witness there is
this resonance that I feel you you feel
me well there's so much I feel you you
feel me look at the mystery of marriage
I feel you you feel me we've been
feeling each other now we all want we
are connected we are one the witness
bearing is the aha moment and if we just
don't realize how valuable how golden
how big of a treasure the aha moment is
and in whatever you gotta do to
everybody out there whatever you gotta
do to get to that moment God is in it
God is in there harmless yeah constant
even with that uh you know they're
coming together that's so powerful in
itself we talked about like going into
the prayer closet which is like the
wedding chamber where the to become one
you become one with the father spend
time and intimacy right and where we are
the bride of
right we come together and then talking
about when you know someone you come
together intimately come together
sexually when you do that you eventually
birth something something is first and
quite physically and spiritually as well
something is birthed out of those
intimacy's with God those encounters
that you've had it changes its birth in
you right and then you birth something
out of you and bring it into the world
something that was deep down within
whether it's the you're calling your
your your dream your destiny you're able
to birth it and create it and and I
don't know if you've heard any of this
stuff but I've just been so blown away
understanding that we are made in the
image and likeness of our Creator right
in an art when we create stuff that
didn't exist
whatever it is hopefully something
beautiful but that power to create in
the beauty of it what I feel you know my
music it didn't exist and guided
meditations this podcast whatever it is
that you're creating you are just like
your father you're just like me Almighty
that's what he does he makes stuff he
creates stuff and you can't wait for
people to see it you want to show it off
you know you burn yeah it didn't exist
until you as a shaman maybe it go into
the ethers get that idea wrestle with it
now whatever it is there's different
stages to bring it into this reality so
things we create as we speak
you know the manifestation process but
some of the bigger goals and they take
time there's seed time and harvest we
have to water it plant the sea whatever
we do until it grows until it comes
forth but just that whole process of
going in and bringing it out whatever
man it's just so beautiful one of the
things that kind of pulled me onto this
as a freestyle Rodney I'm not a
freestyle Rama I mean I can't freestyle
it if you've ever gotten into the zone
you your style is like it's an aha
moment now mind you as a rhymer
as an MC I don't know what it means also
to go into my closet go into my woodshed
and write the dopest rhyme and then come
back and as I spit that rhyme
I feel whether I'm looking at the people
or not I feel there are ha like I think
that's why like punchline rama's rappers
love that because that is that it's like
their eyes are open it's like that star
kids here what I'm actually saying right
that's creating out of the ether and and
and freestyle dramas got me because I
was like I love to see how they just
create in a moment when they started you
know looking at the brains and putting a
freestyle rider on you know on on that
whole the brain thing and scanning their
brains it was like it's the same level
of magic that happens with somebody
meditates it's the same stuff so you add
like all types of ways to get to that
state here's the thing this is what I
think is part of the gospel it's like a
lot of us didn't realize that that state
is already in us waiting to be unpacked
waiting to be awakened yeah like we call
the Kula Kundalini waiting to be
awakened where if it's there and it's
the scriptures Paul put it like this all
of creation groans for the full
manifestation of the sons of God yeah oh
so so if I could take that down to my
part there is a groaning within me
that's waiting for that Kundalini to
rise it's a blown for me for that third
eye to open for my opinion glad I did I
say the right way honey you know what
there isn't that where Jacob wrestled
with God
yes pineal pineal that's what he
wrestled with God indeed I God in some
Jewish and some kabalists they say that
he was wrestling with himself which okay
I'll take both yeah an angel so I know
that
think to was a God or was it an angel
you know then how you could take both
and really is step out of the filter of
time and space if you step out of the
filter of time and space oh yeah you're
wrestling with himself and I think the
filter of time and space often kind of
throws us off which of course I'm Stein
called time and space and illusion yeah
and it's so weird we're just like tell
me when I talked about like slow down
yeah we are experiencing time like we
get to experience it I look at plant
life men they're slowed down a lot
slower they are when you watch a
time-lapse of a plant that's like it
looks like sped up moving you speed the
time up they're moving they're
communicating pollen right there they
look just like us but they're slowed way
down and there's other things that are
slowed down and there's this different
waves of time and animation that they're
that they're on and I think even some
people are talking about this in chat
but very interesting and I look at that
the time-lapse of a plant they're alive
they're moving they're they're breathing
they experience and communicate and all
that stuff but it's a very slower you
can't sit there and watch it no I've
seen it move I seen a girl I seen a
petal you can't do it but you could put
on the time-lapse and do it the same
thing when we step away from the earth
we look at humans and what we're doing
on the earth the earth is living itself
but to see us on the earth and see
cities towns being born roads being
built if you stepped away you just see
this little line and these yes well
taking over this planet and it becomes
to take a shape and a color and a form
and it looks some a certain type of way
the micro and the macro and there's even
like like a mold there here whatever the
case is that even if you was to zoom
into mold if you were to zoom into your
bloodstream yes and to see and it looks
like a weight on your skin the
talking about the warfare and there's
little there's little mites and there's
bacteria and they're fighting for
dominance of the holy land they're
fighting over who gets to live here when
we wash our face face we kill a lot of
them you know we help these other blood
cells and these healthy enzymes and your
gut your gut is your second brain and
they're fighting over dominance of how
you're gonna feel today versus what
you've put in your gut and it just gets
into this really crazy place baby so I
don't know it's just just different
revelations of life man when you step
back and you see you know who and this
is it blows your mind maybe on what is
it movie uh I think it's um men in black
at the very end they uh they open when
they open that locker yeah and this
comes out from the earth and then it
zooms out from you know these two aliens
playing marbles or something with the
universe and then get out from that and
it's something else and quite literally
as we zoom in who we don't know how
these things communicate these the the
cells in the the spiritual warfare of
your cells and of the bacteria and
things like that which is really
happening it's good is going on it's
dangerous to be demon God is calling us
to live in it these like live in the
reality where Nastase thing is way
bigger than you trust me trust that all
is one and yeah if you are on one scale
just part of a game of marbles you know
but you could shift you could shift that
view and
you are also a family that is important
that you play your role whether that's a
mom or a dad or a son or daughter play
your role with all your heart because
the game is on even if this is just
marbles I'm with you man I like that I
like that um somebody mentioned when
you're talking about being caught up in
an aesthetic encounter of Prayer and you
felt like you were moved I said you were
translated you know Jesus talked about
being translated in the scriptures and I
think it was a Simon I think it was as
well who mentioned it being transyl yeah
you would translate it 5 feet there's
some really beautiful things man when
you tap into the spirit and you go in I
remember when I when I first I came into
the church got born again we would be in
aesthetic levels of worship and just
being caught up for 45 minutes to an
hour with our eyes closed hands raised
in a state of meditation with the music
we know the drums and music put you into
a trance state anyway and we're just I'm
just an audience of one you and God
don't know where you are and I feel like
I'm floating yes you don't want to open
your eyes you know like you're floating
and I remember the guy who was disciple
of me I asked him I was young man I
think I was 13 at the time but I asked
him I said uh are there any reports of
people floating during worship like
while they're worshiping God aziza he
said no no no that doesn't happen or
whatever and then I said okay cuz I
really feel like I'm fitting to take
flight like you know zan and uh but then
you know you go to look into especially
from the Catholic point of view there's
the old paintings of the the priest in
the mystics flying around town and
there's reports supposedly the priest
had the power to levitate the power of
levitation there's the movie which is
based off of us suppose his story of the
Flying Nun who her feeling was so strong
that she would shoot she would she would
levitate she would float and they had to
like tie her to a chair
so she wouldn't float off and then the
chair would fly so they had to like nail
it to the ground and stuff and so they
you you know who these different
experiences man and we talked about
leaving the body flying out of your body
you know maybe that's the flying that I
was experiencing but man there's just so
much to experience in those euphoric
trance states and the Bible talks about
trance state I was in a trance on the
Lord's Day you know what I'm saying the
Bible says that over and over on the
Lord's Day I fell into a trance and all
of these beautiful mystical encounters
in the mystery of the gospel the mystery
revealed and just having this this
beautiful encounter and it's so silly to
think that uh you know the New Agers or
the Hindus or whoever is outside of
Christ who get to have these beautiful
ecstatic encounters with God but the
Christians don't get out of here yeah
I'm saying like all that ancient
Christians were mystics man the believer
whatever you want to call them whether
they're the S seems or what I did they
didn't you know it's not it looks
nothing like what we've we have today in
and Western Christianity
looks more like Hinduism man a little
more like sects of Islam the women with
head coverings and dietary laws and
these different like they were they were
set apart people man and so you see all
of these different people who have a
piece of the truth westernized
Christianity there's a lot of good
things about it they're still trying to
keep this ancient spiritual practice in
the evangelical churches you know
they're praying in tongues they're
shaking their going into trances they're
gettin into trance State through music
and and mantras and singing these
worship songs over and over you know
they don't know that I don't know what
they're doing this is Christianity to
them but it is very ancient practice
that was done by all spiritualist too
back in the day you know receiving
messages from God and Holy Spirit and
you know prophecies prophecies and
tongues and interpretations of tongues
like all of that stuff man so
all of us in there and I think that as
we as we deal with issues of spirit we
realize that the Spirit is way bigger in
his way ancient is made more ancient and
it's not just our defined playground
defined playpen within the bigger play
back playground and as we continue to go
we we start crossing lines what's cool
about this day and time that we're
living in is that because information is
spreading which was prophesied about if
there the knowledge of the Lord the
knowledge of the highest shall cover the
earth as the waters cover the sea now
we're in this place that I was just
talking with a friend and telling them
about you know I almost feel concerned
and feel sorry for the youth pastor who
has kids in there that through YouTube
and through the internet they know about
the amanaki and they know him how you
know astral projection and they know
about you know I have my son challenged
me he was like he asked me and it was a
great question I couldn't I decided not
to give the Pat Christian answer he said
what if those great prophets like Moses
and Elijah what if they were induced by
plants you know went well with plants
not by plants but with plants that
enhance their level of meditation to
where they got deeper and they was up on
this mountain now at that particular
time we were at a Christian camp and we
was on the mountain but it's a great
great question and there is no way that
I could try with my if the I have an
honest relationship with my son
there's no way they're not gonna be like
nah that's not I don't know a lot of a
lot of studies a lot of ancient art a
lot of Christian art symbolism I mean
there's UFOs and ancient Christian art
there's many mushrooms around Jesus
holding the Amanita muscaria they're all
in all the ancient paintings and me even
people even believed
the you know the burning bush was the
acacia bush that is known to produce
high levels of DMT and uh and I'll tell
you for me man
I've had a couple psychedelic encounters
and it's been through plant medicines
such as psilocybin mushrooms but for me
it was as I opening in life changing as
my mystical union with Christ as maybe
becoming born-again when when you're
talking about the seal while we fall in
love with Jesus hey let me tell you
about hey everyone I'm in love with a
man his name's Jesus I mean some of the
things that we did I made it a point to
tell everybody about this love that I
have found that could change your life
any I still tell him about that love
right to this day and so when I did
those uh you know saying we went on a
men's retreat where we did psilocybin
mushrooms and in the in the woods in
nature and it was man life-changing I
did two really deep encounters and um
changed my life and I've been talking
about him I why hold them back well I'm
known for that the one who the guy who
talked the Christian guy who talks about
mushrooms whatever why hold it back if
it's something that can change your life
it's a secret but my lips are sealed
because of judgment my lips are sealed
because mob if my boss finds out I'm
fired trust me what that came into the
picture - the boss finds out I'm on the
internet talking about doing mushrooms
really you're doing that and you
represent my company like all of that
stuff but it was so life-changing that I
had to speak about it because and I had
friends who would keep it in man I'm
gonna get fired man you could talk about
I can't like I'm under the same scrutiny
as you the better facade and that
beautiful and that life-changing I have
to be open and honest and yes
it's working I honestly think that we're
at a time once again at that whole
knowledge of the Lord my knowledge of
the Most High shall cover the earth as
the waters cover the sea you know water
just flows and it overflows and it and
it connects okay there was a time there
was a time
when what you just said about five
minutes ago you said I'm in love with a
man let me tell you about a man okay
there was a time when that wasn't that
popular okay and and it was outside of
the confines of the accepted play period
okay
now that sounds cool maybe you could
make a song out they don't go to a black
church and tell everybody I'm in love
with a man Oh everybody loves but but
but but it is not as fun it is not as
comfortable but tell them I met a
mushroom okay Moses said we the time has
completely changed now guess what it is
documented that truth seeker met a
mushroom that helped change everything
that he sees and there may be some other
people who may need a mushroom and but
man that leads to a god that leads you
back to you if that's what if that's the
purpose of it you know what I'm saying
and I think it is and I think I'm not on
the cusp of anything I think that uh
there this is a lot older a lot older
than me then we're talking about
communicating with the spirits of the
plants and the spirits we're talking
about these plants being alive and that
gets into a whole nother wave of
understanding but um people don't know
it unless you talk about it and I found
out that being vocal I pissed a lot of
people off this video had seven dislikes
before we even went live you know what
I'm saying and then people are going
through just systematically disliking
all of my videos and like it's being
done in waves people have multiple
accounts and there's trolls and I get
dirty messages all the time but um it's
part of it but if I'm not vocal about it
we'll be stuck in that paradigm and it's
almost like the secret of Freemasonry we
have the secret and or in in order for
you to get these secrets you must be
tested and you must be tried there's a
there is a god aspect to that there is
you want the deeper secrets you have to
study show yourself
move you have to fast and pray and spend
time doing whatever it is and God will
open his all says that the secret of the
Lord is with those that fear Him I think
there is a part in a place to where
there is secrets there are actual
scriptural accounts of God saying don't
write this down book of Revelation job
saw something he said I was about to
write it down the angel said don't write
it down okay so there is the level of
secret but then there also is this level
of disclosure there is a time and season
according to the preacher Ecclesiastes
for all things and I think that we are
in that season and time that somebody
has to bear witness so the reality then
guess what I took these mushrooms okay I
took this I took these plants and and I
saw a whole different world well I mean
the inventor the George Washington
Carver was was a man of God saw God do
you know how he said he got most of his
inventions from the peanut plant and
from all of those two plants he said he
would go out and pray and seek God among
the plants and God would start speaking
to him and revealing the secrets of the
plants and the plants would communicate
to you know to him this I could be used
for this and that could be used for that
and that's how that opened up now of
course we accept that because well this
is a man of God but who would at the
time that he was there yeah he was a
racist system that just didn't follow
him believing so he just joking out
write it down and one day it'll be known
okay I think we're at that place where
it is this this breaking forth of
knowledge and ideas and wisdom and I
think that my biggest thing that I want
to say to the Christian world to those I
still serve and I still believe in our
function as a pastor and that's somebody
that loves the Sheep loves people as
they're coming in is I would say don't
be afraid realize how big God is and
that God is bigger and he'll keep you
cuz God is holding you it's not you
trying to hold on to God and if you
think that you're
knowledge of God is you know what
soldiers whole thing yeah are you just
being arrogant and foolish and you're
being like that little boy that says my
daddy can beat up your dad see you
realize that when you're no longer a
little boy and you're a man that you
don't live by fighting other daddies
y'all really working on how can we work
together get this neighborhood right but
from a little boys perspective it's all
about my daddy's beat up any man don't
look that's a whole nother realm but I
didn't have a daddy I couldn't say that
I couldn't say that or that I would uh
you know we would cut each other down
and I would you know you would go to
your mama your mama's - your mama is
dead I remember I remember the first
time I felt grieved man I was probably
seven years old and I told a friend of
mine we were telling your momma jokes I
was your mama's did your mama boy but
his mom was dead oh and he would started
crying you ain't nothing your mama's so
fat your mama your daddy know whatever
it is he didn't hit they were dead you
know it's like man our of words and the
the Mama and Daddy thing is very big and
a lot of times that's how we get our
view of God was your dad or mom or
performance person okay do better if you
don't you better you know you go have
your swim meet and you didn't do good
we're not talking why didn't you do a
good you could have did better yeah and
so that's your view of God this God who
wants you to perform did you mess up did
you look at that stuff again did you do
this why did you do it
and then you feel like you're away from
them even though there is correction God
is God chastises those at which he loves
he corrects you and that's the whole
fatherly God process right but it's
never you're not my son that's never I
don't love you anymore
those type of things and we have to
understand that of what that why we call
god father and there's this big thing of
why is God a man or why do you view God
like a man and I've been very honest I
didn't have a father in my life and God
became that father unto me so yeah
there's a special place in my heart
I can relate I I personally didn't have
my dad around as well my father was a
hundred percent disabled vet and he was
a manic depressant and so the time that
he was around it was more dangerous for
me and I was the first in my family that
my dad both physically and sexually
abused and the reason why we got out of
the situation was because all of this
manic depressant came to a head when he
tried to raise a family
yeah so my view for a long time of God
of God Father was that ha you know are
you gonna flip on me you know I'm not
you just just why me my dad was the dad
he's tickling us and playing with us and
all sudden something would trigger him
and now he's hitting us yeah so am i
pleasing you father God by doing these
rituals by saying these things and are
you gonna add any time you know flip on
me and you know and now I got into
accident and see I have to learn realize
even those accidents maybe that's God
cuz you know smacking me every night no
it was the fact that I was who I was and
it was to do with my colleague is not
all over the place I had to grow from my
puny baby elementary view of God to a
bigger broader view of God and I think
that that is what's happening to God's
creation right now we are B we are
groaning we're realizing that our view
of God it was not it's not enough that
we just had a shell-like view of God and
now God Himself is just bursting out of
that you can even say God herself I have
a young lady that I disciple I want to
mention her name but you know she she
she
Mitch's is the Holy Spirit of she and I
not might go with that that's good
that's good and so I give her a room she
doesn't have room to do that in the
church because the church immediately
shuts her down but she's trying to say
as something well who is el-shaddai the
word el shaddai is the hebrew
translation that is the big-breasted one
the big breasts it was okay that's what
else shadow I originally means so I'm
like okay go with that and as you get to
the point where you can bear witness to
the divine oh good
now you where you need to be and that's
why I said everybody get to the point
where you bear witness to the divine
because as truly as you bear witness to
the divine the divine will say back to
you you are the fine
Peter said it this way God has invited
us into the God the divine nature of the
God here you're invited in you're in the
party just learn how to dance on the
water not get wet that's all good stuff
man good stuff bro um someone else
someone mentioned this early on and I'm
not really sure I pronounced his name
maybe you're in chat you can let me know
but it's a liqu each room
Laki tream the kietryn but she asked
about Christ's return this was at the
very beginning of the podcast um if it's
physical or spiritual metaphoric I'll
give you my take really quick I believe
that it's a I believe both I'll say both
more more powerful for me now um that I
believe that the the return of Christ
has he come to take throne in our hearts
that ki come back to everybody's looking
for this physical return to their even
getting the holy land ready they're
rebuilding the temples and they're
getting the utensils they're like ready
to like to start like re-implementing
animal sacrifices and stuff why you know
I'm saying there's all this weird stuff
waiting for the return of Messiah to do
that for me he's come back and he lives
in my heart you know what I'm saying is
the second coming of Christ I take
thrown in in your on your heart and so
yeah that's the second coming for me I
do believe that there will be some type
of cataclysmic event where Christ the
angels the Anunnaki whatever you want to
call them they'll the Elohim or whatever
gonna come back to set up a new kingdom
here on earth and then so where the
scripture talks about the the meek
inheriting the earth I do believe that
there will be something coming back am i
looking forward in my generation to our
watch disguise is it there's a hope or
whatever of that but I don't know when
that's gonna happen but or if it even
will but I am my spirit bears witness
with he's already come back to us to
rule and reign in the hearts of men and
and women on the earth I I connect with
that I I think that it is a both an
innocence especially if we look
historically to the scriptures okay when
Jesus rose from the dead and ascended
into heaven on what they record as a
cloud because that's the best way that
they can explain it but he was out of
here and he was physically here and he
was physically out and they said he's
coming back again some way someday
they thought it was within there's going
to be within the next 70 years okay and
they and of course we know because Paul
starts saying you know y'all gonna get a
job and come work it and everybody was
just like it was going to be over or
it's over I think that when you look at
the scripture there it supports a
both/and scenario if some doors we
should live every day as if he is coming
back to day then we should also invoke
his presence in our hearts on the throne
of our hearts that the kingdom of God is
in the hearts of man that we should not
look over here and look over there for
some physical representation because
just as the eagle is in the sky Dahl see
you know all of that I think there is a
support for both and that we have to
live in a sense the circumspect
realizing that we are that manifestation
of the body of Christ on the earth that
Christ is returned within us and within
the way that we live and the way we
build and do community and do life and
just so happen if he despised I mean
that's why I'm like Daniel man it's like
okay I don't live this way
but just so happens if he decides to
physically come back I'm gonna be ready
yeah and it doesn't matter if you don't
believe it right like if you don't
believe it you get left behind all of
that this is if anything that makes
space for I mean when I first gave my
life to Christ I was that was up I mean
that was part I didn't want to go to
hell and I knew that Jesus I gave my
life to Christ right in 83 82 ish like
so at the 80s there was all of the blood
moons and his Jesus coming there was a
big deal now here's what century I'm
back well now that's going back now
my daughter gave her life to Christ and
I mean so I she was raised you know when
she was eight years old Jews as I love
you know we know that whole sport when
she got a deeper awakening it was
through life and life happened in her
life and writing on our twenties I know
she was in her 20s she was looking at
all the thing that was another red moon
was coming that was by about four or
five years ago remember that and all
that and it was all you come back any
time
and and all of that the whole Left
Behind series and on account stuff
that's interesting in good fodder okay
it's good it inspires you to live a
worthy and holy life and I think all of
that is good but do I put all of my hope
in that and get to the funk where I'm
looking and calling a day I mean I got
caught up in there and then I kind of
grew out of it and realized I don't know
if he's coming back in the next three
years and and but I'm gonna live as if
he did and create an atmosphere then
just in case physically he comes back
great but he don't I have lived so much
according to what I see in the eleventh
chapter of Hebrews by faith I live by a
life of faithfulness that like I like to
say it this way in a good word picture I
want my casket to look like this better
that that I died and reaching for that
new city that greater place I want like
put me down under just like that cuz I
wanna die like that reaching out for
something greater I'm not gonna say he's
here I'm not going to act like I'm
waiting for it he's gonna come I'm
reaching and I'm creating everything a
racer feels like there's a generation
even poorer right race because I got
friends or like yeah he's coming back
probably this year bro like he's
probably I used to feel like that he's
going down he's coming he's coming you
know it's something beautiful you got to
get ready people get ready and when I
nailed it like now that I'm a father
father of looking at my star see her go
through in this this it was just cute
watching her go through it because he's
like wow I went through that same thing
yeah my daughter's getting caught up on
the conspiracy theories now you know
those things and like she's getting
introduced to that and all this weird
stuff but I gotta mix and I went through
it so I'm like okay that's healthy
conspiracy theories are good let's don't
get it stay away from all the you know
crazy ology the healthy Christian
Christian extremes this guilty stuff
that's gonna help you be a better person
more spiritual versus all the extreme
Christian theologies which can hurt you
and hurt others and burn bridges and
things part of it all man so many cults
and offshoots and stuff man I was just
drawn to it all looking for truth you
know what I'm saying and they claim to
have the truth the Hebrew Israel it's
like you grew out of it and I and grew
even folks that are looking at you know
looking at this and saying and y'all
talking must you know mushrooms and all
the devil is a liar at Butte you and you
know guess what
give me grapes cuz gosh sure enough did
I will grow out of it Paul said it this
way I think he said he said follow our
example and if there's anything other
than God you know that you need to know
I'll show you
yeah and so I think it's best to give
people that sense of grace in that space
and so if you know
I got some friends who are on the left
behind that's that's that train that's a
cup of tea they are all neck up an idea
well yeah
drink that and then when you get tired
of it
oh yeah I show unto you a more perfect
way that's better house I'm moral on the
fact of now is like you know getting
into the preterist stuff you know I'm
saying and uh and I've had a couple of
them on the show and and uh
Branka Dawa I guess he's a partial
preterist but um that understanding of
knowing this is what I love about you
everybody looking at this this is what I
love about this dude is that every time
I talk to you I always get something new
tell me what were you try to see I mean
you kind of you kind of hit into it a
little bit because when you're talking
about how Paul believed that uh you know
this stuff was coming like in their
generation because Jesus in Matthew 24
says hey this generation shall not pass
away until all these things be fulfilled
you got ending here will not see death
until everything I'm telling you is
gonna come to pass so the preterist
thing is uh understanding that those
prophecies have already happened the
partial is most of them and we're still
waiting for a few and uh you know I'm
saying the dead in Christ shall rise
like for me that's kind of the preterist
thing and for me it's like when Jesus
when Jesus rose he wasn't by itself big
didn't say you know they're gonna come
back the dead are gonna rise and be come
out of their graves like that happened
like they like when Jesus rose you know
on the third day with all power and
authority from hell and took the keys
you know from the grave and death was
defeated the dead in Christ rose and
they run to their you know family
members house and he were preaching on
the street corners these dead people
came back zombies essentially and so for
me like that's the fulfillment of that
scripture you know I'm saying that Jesus
said look all of this stuff's gonna
happen and then you know the 70 AD the
Wars of the the you know I'm saying the
Wars of the
Roman armies encircling Jerusalem and
all of those you know you're gonna be
tortured and when you see Jerusalem
coming when you see that Day approaching
run to the hills with the mountain they
lied don't stay behind thinking that
you're gonna be okay
you know those people were in it talks
about women and childbirth it being hard
for them and people eating their
children you know because they didn't
have any food like all this crazy a
pocket Oh
historically yeah yeah yeah so then
that's more of the you know the whole
predator was staying of thinking that
the majority if not all of it has been
fulfilled you know so in in the way they
have a way of whitewashing history and
just changing times and dates and laws
and even what year were in is debatable
as well right now a lot of people
believe that we just hit 2012 you know
what I'm saying like this year so
there's this a bunch of things with them
with them changing stuff to even know
what what's already happened and when
you look at ancient history and you see
all of the stuff that has happened these
they talk about these rapture type stuff
that's happen where people disappeared
and UFOs came and hovered over cities
and just crazy stuff that's happened man
it just it opens your mind to say okay
it's possible I don't have a figured out
I don't know but um I tend to I tend to
uh the majority of it has definitely
from a biblical perspective and Jesus
said that it would happen in that
generation you know so I think I think a
lot of it's already happened everybody
wants to be the people of the book man
and all these sects and all these cults
that have been a part of they all claim
to be the people of the book so there's
a special blessing in it for them and
it's I mean I've met people say why do
you read in the Bible the Bible is not
for you that book was not given unto you
that book is one of the Hebrews for the
Israelites only you know all these weird
sex and stuff that have been a part of
and um and everybody wants to feel
special and significant and they find
these different groups that kind of uh
maybe even people who listen to this
work you want to feel special and you
know I'm saying significant and that you
matter because you do
but make sure you're not in something
that's unhealthy or separatist and then
most of those coach you'll find out a
true coal there's gonna be a separatist
code state leave your family behind stay
away from those people I have the truth
it's usually about one man a one-gallon
first like hey don't listen to anybody
else I have the truth you don't need
anybody you know and so I've been a part
of that stuff so I'm kind of as I move
forward I'm trying to bring that you
know making sure that I don't do that
because I've been a part of that and I
know those people and they have
followings and they you know change the
way people think and it gets really
weird and in even small not even big
cold-smoked holds your local church down
the road that cold you know what I'm
saying of hey we have the truths my
pastor hears from God and over here do
you hear from God no but my master he
knows the Word of God and you know and
there's this the the veneration of man
and things like that just to be careful
and wary of that stuff and be open and
honest about those experiences man yeah
I am one of the things that I do love
about Richard Hoover is he talks about
in his book breathing as a breathing
underwater he talks about the different
stages of life that we all go through
and one of the early half of life what
he calls the first half of life is
really about creating these boundaries
as creating this sense of being special
this creative sense of being a
significant individual and that's where
of course you get that my daddy can beat
up your daddy my God is bigger than your
God and the we are special and I'm
special I have the coat of many colors
there's a special side of Who I am and
that is true you know this because
you're a parent you are special okay
there's no question about it but yet
when you have that kid it's about time
for you to give up that I'm special I'm
all that because now you start to pour
that out on someone else I say the
beginning of a podcast that a person
that's been loved greatly you could tell
because of the way that they end up
others then you could tell you've been
enough greatly a great parent is not
gonna hold on to that I'm so special no
they they give that up they let that go
because they pour that into that child
I'm so special because the second half
of life is you let go of the arms so
special on all this and everything I'm
not bad I'm not dis and I'm not bad and
that's not right that's not that's not
we all go with it you begin out of that
you begin to grow out of that and
realize there's inclusive there's room
there's greatness so if you look at a
child look at a boy look at a father
look at a grandfather there are
different different levels in the way
that they see life and the way that they
look at life
I'm getting ready within the next decade
praise the Lord the latter part of the
decade I hope my kids are in their early
20s they don't have kids yet but I'm
gonna get ready to become a grandfather
there's a whole different mindset the
way I got a treat to be able to love
those babies and it can't be I'm so
special in fact I don't even have to as
a grandparent I don't even have to say
how special I am I get that special put
upon me the way I love that child
couldn't that be the same way with God
God don't even have to tell us how
specially is how he loves us so much the
fact that I know that I'm wrong the no
effect I've know I'm a mess and you
still not me
you know affection he's very special we
realize that God is not the god I
command you praise me she's gonna pray
nothing else to y'all my nerves you know
you made me sick hate you I mean love me
that's what we've taught in the church
Longman and I remember seeing that um
that that skit with George Carlin did
you ever watch that okay talking about
religion you know he goes in on religion
he goes and on the government really
good stuff he he uses comedy to prove
these really deep points which he was
great at but he talked about God
and he talked about Hell and how God you
know demands your worship and demands
your affection and I've made a way for
you to be saved but you have to do it
this way and if not you're gonna be
destroyed and tormented forever and the
lake of fire and gnashing of teeth then
there's weeping and wailing but he loves
you you know just the way that he did it
is like is that you know what like as a
he's right like they do this right you
know I've shared some friends with a
true seeker what happened to you man
why'd you change all that video or you
let George call and change you know it's
like just to understand that you may
start out in that level of fear but the
fear is not being afraid of what God's
gonna do to you the fear is and
admiration is a fear of respect the fear
of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom
the fear of the the Lord is to hate evil
like all of these did that level of fear
just kind of trends forms for you the
closer you get to it and it is a level
of respect and out of adoration you fear
the government no I don't I don't fear
man you do fear the government you feel
the police no I don't
okay well why would you guys riot and
you guys are trying to go for a social
political change
why don't why do you tear up your
neighbor's business why do you loot the
little small nonprofit on the corner why
y'all tearing up all this up versus
going to the the capital you guys read
fear you know that if you go there
you're done you better better respect me
you better fear me right yeah there's
this fear um and it's a healthy fear
don't do that you're gonna get in
trouble if you do there is this healthy
fear and healthy respect there for God
for the universe for universal laws that
if you break it that if you do these
things you will suffer that hell you
will suffer the repercussions you will
suffer the Karma on this earth maybe in
the next life there as well but if but
you will suffer it here the int words
Instant Karma that's the thing watching
Instant Karma videos on YouTube of
people doing stupid stuff and
immediately it backfires in their face
and they get hurt or they they have to
suffer the repercussions of their
actions and and
and whatever you so you you you must
reap and so it's this whole cycle of
what that God is and with that reverence
or respect this and what it looks like
and how it comes back to you whatever
you put out there man I think in a
culmination of my awakenings right now I
view God more as a granddaddy God and
when I'm saying that I'm saying that in
all due respect and love for what a
grandfather is you know as a kid like I
said my first coming in I thought you
know my guy can beat up any other God
and like no other God and I went through
adolescent level of you know he hates
all of this and all of this is just suck
y'all
evil and I hate evil and those that do
evil and then to this level of having
kids myself and realizing there is a
need for regulation and the need or this
but but a grandfather place of saying
yeah but I can create room and grace or
a person I never forget when my mom my
wife and I when we we split up and I as
I told a 24th year of marriage and my
son hated me one of the hardest things
in my life to know that my son at that
time hated me and this is what I felt
the Holy Spirit tell me he said give him
room to hate you give him room let him
hate you for a minute because in that
hate he'll run all of that hate out it's
not even a lot he doesn't know how what
it is but it's almost like this
temptation of how could he you know how
can he do this I hate you know he didn't
even want to say that but when I gave
him room he realized exploring that
ain't no I don't hate him I'm just hurt
and I did that I realized what the fall
is about what sinning is about because
in our sin it's like God gives us room
you little room oh don't hate me you'll
come to the end of it and you realize it
you don't even want it now what's hell
is for those that
stay in that and try to live how can you
remit how can you live with no I'm going
back to my old widens roots now okay why
does they get a song saying how can you
live without the seal in the rain how
can you live without how can you live
without Christ Christ is life how can
you do life with things that only amount
to death eventually you grow out of that
death and just say you know what I'm
long enough now needed one of the best
things for me and like I said the whole
meditation is when I started to settle
myself and call myself I saw a lot of my
own pain a lot of the things that were
and hopefully this may help somebody out
there the things that were breaking me
and my wife apart where things get this
true serie with things that I honestly
hated about myself that I saw in her
yeah and Ben and I couldn't reconcile
when I started to be still and
meditating and getting steel before God
I started to actually turn my face to
those things that I hated about myself
and be gentle enough with myself to
understand and forgive myself and then
pull myself to myself as I was weird
just track me and fall back in love with
myself and when I did that it was no it
was no chance of not falling back in
love with my wife
yeah that's a whole nother podcast man
we it was no question we connected and
got back together and it's been an
ongoing practice I don't wanna let
meditation go because we had some rocky
roads I'm trying to figure out each
other now to come back together but we
figured it out and I slap crazy love in
my 50s as I turn 50 I'm in my 50s just
as in love with her as I was in my 20s
and that happens through those aha
moments there is a guy that's awesome
you fade out man
a story about how to change your life is
but just seeing like my son loves me in
Essen or not and it's a real story but
it's an analogy about how we you know we
view God at times or have you know and
but you know some people stay there man
that that always blows my mind how some
people can stay at rock-bottom you know
I hit rock bottom I didn't stay there
long there's people whose years staying
at rock bottom a because they don't know
maybe they haven't heard the gospel
maybe they haven't seen it maybe they've
heard it and haven't seen it that's a
big thing for me we've heard it turn on
in any channel you wanted you know
that's like several channels that the
gospel 24/7 so it's done have they
haven't heard the gospel is they haven't
seen the gospel it's a big one let's see
it let's live it out there with the
people what is your name type deal um
but understanding that you're talking
about how she remind of reminded you of
insecurities and things that you didn't
like about yourself
I really believe that that's everyone
that we come in contact with who trigger
us who remind us or people who you know
act out a certain type of way with us
we represent something in that person's
life that they don't like about
themselves right you know whether it's
the liberty and I've do I
I represent something to different
people like who they just like
everybody's gonna tell you something
different I represent a really good
rapper I represent spirituality I
represent someone who's falling away
from the from the church I represent
someone who does mushroom-like it's just
different things for different people
and they there's liberties that I have
that they don't have different names to
different people but you're all the same
of course yes somebody asks me somebody
asked me the other day there's like are
you a man of God and it depends you know
I thought try to be said no angels
trying to be he's all you aren't so it
just depends on who you ask you tell
somebody I'm a man of God they're gonna
laugh at you you know what I'm saying
because of
the experience is because of how open I
am or whatever the case is you represent
different things to different people and
when people lash out at you it's because
you struck a nerve with them you remind
them of something that they don't like
about themselves whether you have too
much grace or whether you know they have
to work to keep their salvation you rest
in your salvation yes they're working to
keep it every day and I had to check my
closest friends man if I make it to the
King there was just thing people if I
make it in bro if I make it to the king
that looks like what do you mean if
Bobby wants to know the hope of your
salvage you're supposed to know you know
if if what there's no confidence in it
if and a mania or I hope you have to
know there's nothing and so you gotta
rest in that that the man that it
that it is grace lest any man should
boast there's nothing you did to earn it
so there's nothing you can do to lose it
mmm its grace unmerited favor from God
man and and that grace empowers us to
move into every area of our lives and no
matter where God calls you to
Kabbalistic understanding to studying
the breath and breath work to study in
Trent state to studying UFOs or aliens
or angel angel ology demonology whatever
it is that God has called you to you
feel a tug from that direction approach
it with grace and peace and no fear man
whatever it is it's it's the grace and
it's the love and what the Bible says is
that it's the love that fuels the faith
that the love is actually what fuels you
to actually do all of that so grace love
peace joy if there'd be anything true if
there be anything noble if there be
anything of good report think upon these
things and let that let that carry you
and be your ambition don't let money be
your ambition
don't let fame or renown be your
ambition but if you're doing what you're
supposed to do if you're burning bright
and you're shining for God that stuff
comes with the territory and you have to
make sure you give that glory and honor
back to the father who gives all things
who the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh
away
and he owns everything so why would you
try to act like you created something or
that or that you had a like a great idea
to be able to manifest anything
everything always goes back to the
father and and that that's what it's
about at the end of the day it is it's
grace that's the grace man
yes well man I I applaud your calling
man I applaud your ability to hold on to
especially from my what I am have
infinity four and that's the scripture
and the church and love in the church
and I honestly I openly people know I
have a love-hate relationship with the
church love it I want to play this clip
right quick I don't know if you've seen
this meme yet and you you won't be able
to hear it on the audio I'm going to
play I'm gonna unplug yesterday you know
I'm gonna show this to just for the
people watching let's see another see i
see i got a certain function here that
will show my internet okay here we are
i'm gonna play this you'll be able to
hear it but this is a little boy in
church for those of you listening on the
podcast end right here this this is a
little boy great men of God and women of
God I think it was Francis of Assisi he
said this he said the church or but
she's also my mother Wow
and I think that that's real church just
listen to it go find it and listen to it
again cuz it wasn't the background oh
that's how you feel that's just wrong he
did his best
I felt I had to be honest I felt that
way the first time I went to a black
church and I think it may have been
Catholic I don't know but we stayed in
church like six hours and I'm like when
are we leaving they stayed in church
like all day I'm like man I'm tired of
this Turks I was a little kid just like
if they woulda gave me the mic I would
have said the same thing old black
Baptist Church and a funeral and and
seeing and recognizing you call the suit
suits in Kris synchrony crutch synchrony
to sync to sync up yeah yes seeing the
ritual and the pomp and circumstance
that that it was all going in just to
say this person is deceased
this person is dead but it was a lot of
ritual I pumped success and now through
my travels of being with Native
Americans being with Europeans being
with Southland Southern Americans all of
us we all have ritual to give credence
to give acknowledgement to what we don't
to the afterlife to the divine to that
which is greater than us because we know
that which is greater than us as in us
and we all have to find our way to do
that and some of the ways that we do it
we have to get we get stuck in this old
way and it's just because it's always
been done like that until there's a
great mind of genius that comes along
and just say and we are tired of this
I started I started seeing that man
and um because I was like you know this
you know I was getting into the the
political stuff and the revolutionary
stuff while I was still doing gospel
music so it began to just kind of seep
out a little bit or I would do a song I
did a song called this revolution and
ossama ha you know it was political
stuffing in Christian rising up against
the church structure and the prosperity
gospel and I kind all kind of got into
my music right but um I would see I
would see the look on people's faces
who-who got it like I knew that I was
talking about something that didn't
wasn't discussed you know and a lot of
churches and stuff and and I would see
the look on people's faces to know that
wow they were just waiting for someone
to articulate what they've been
experiencing as well and and so I
started seeing that but then I started
being asked not to do those songs or not
asked to come back or you know I've
always been like a thorn in a spine to
the religious community since day one
like uh you know it's just it's been
it's been crazy man just that we talk
about demons too much or you know this
or that or whatever you just always
something so now for me to be here I
remember there was at one point where
they got back to me like people didn't
want me to come speak at their church
good they were trying to say okay who we
need a gospel rapper for the for the New
Year event who we gonna get and like get
true seeker know he reads out of the
King James Bible we know he's gonna it
was like this little weird Continuum's
that people have with you man that you
find out you like what is that even
I have to do with the price of rice in
China well you know man that's why I say
keep on doing what you're doing because
I was it jay-z
in his song faith of black where he said
you know maybe you'll love me when I'm
gone maybe your love me when I'm out
what's beautiful now is the fact that
you're documenting what you're saying
what you believe and it needs to be
documented and said I definitely can
relate to that man we be back in the 90s
we did a song called racism and we just
dealt with the issue that you know in
the church there is the most segregated
time of the day and that was in the
early 90s late 80s where a lot of
Christian rap they didn't want to touch
on that in situation so we we did that
we put Farrakhan on one of our albums of
Christian album we put Farrakhan because
what he was saying was true yeah we
could it did not and there was nobody at
that time that we knew in the Christian
world that was given word that was art
circulating that particular issue that
was real so we said well we might as
well use him that to me in my sense I
think that's probably a little bit why
we're a hip-hop is and that's why I
think you're so important right now
because in with you being hip-hop you
understand
you know the whole postmodern set it's
like what hip-hop does it takes the best
of you know four or five different eras
and historical ideas and it pulls it all
together into this amalgamation boat
this is what I want to articulate and it
needs to be said and heard and so I'm
glad that you did you know stuff on the
the chakras and rhymes but I'm look you
know what I don't think I'm the only one
I'm looking for people to rhyme about
chakras I'm looking for people to put
great hip-hop flow B swag all of that to
a higher level of thinking and truth I'm
tired of us just like talk about I'm
tired is Church I'm tired
yeah listen each other down I'm tired of
us just always talking about and
hos and that admit I yeah there is a
side to every woman that is like that
but there is a later to every woman
that's a queen that's majestic that's
great it needs to be praised and until I
get out of the and I'm no I'm gonna
offend some people right now but I'm
just saying and so I get out of the
mentality all I'll see is
and hoes it's a king that only conceal
clean and it's a king they only could
deserve and to speak to a queen man
cause a queen to come and stay with a
king Queens don't stay with me yeah yeah
ain't man so I I'm looking for hip-hop
to grow up yeah are I did an essay and I
called it it was backwards back no how
am i dating myself again but but back
when I came out with hip hop is dead I
thought it was profound and I did an
essay and I said hip hop is not dead
it's just getting old and what my point
was that the challenge of hip hop now is
to grow older and mature
but we keep reverting back and it's one
of the most terrible things if we open
our eyes and look at ourselves we'll
realize it's really really stupid for
somebody 30 40 years old to start
talking about like adolescent decisions
in life you're 30 40 years old you
should be talking about houses and
raising kids and so I love it when I see
a sloop I see a jay-z I see a you know
different rappers kind of mature and
grow with their process I just love to
see it happen even more on those that
attend and those that subscribe to
spiritual ideas why don't we get beyond
like what Paul's or the writer of
Hebrews said that is just basic tenants
of the faith of baptism and of
resurrection from the dead
let's go beyond that let's talk about
life and how spiritual life integrates
with regular life and all of that let's
go there and do your doing that so keep
doing that we need to hear more about
enlightenment and chakras and growth and
and and in meditation practice I look I
got your meditation piece pearl
I was dope salute it was awesome and key
that we need more of that my goal what I
want to do as an elder state with
statesmen and hip-hop now is I want to
be someone that continually brings the
conversation how do we grow hip-hopper
how do we bring the conversation of
higher if it's gonna be the greatness
that it was designed to be then we got a
rap about higher things
we got a rap about higher ideas so we
can bring everybody the higher ideas we
started off we didn't realize that we
was on the corner just talking about you
know I got a house I got a pool that's
off the wall I got more closing Mahalo
Donnelly and now guess what 20 30 years
later you got rappers who's got that
they were speaking in back then and they
didn't have any of it but they spoken
into existence
what can we speak into existence if we
start rhyming and rapping the house it's
working a man yes it's working do it I'm
not the only one there's there's there's
a lot of them out there there you gotta
be careful to some of them I mean some
of them I mean just like the
well you know there's a lot of spiritual
rappers who in many cases are better
than I am
stylistically and have deeper esoteric
knowledge that they put into their music
but they don't live it man you could you
met them on the Block they just wanted
to do so on the block like they you can
hear it you can taste it you hear it in
the food if it's all about just about
going back to battles and I can back and
beat any other rap yeah you hear that I
listen I listen to a spiritual song the
drop in knowledge about you don't know
the Emerald tablets and stuff and it
just don't myself dinnertime are killing
people and cutting suckers heads off and
pulling knowledge as I oh man you've
missed the point you've missed it
totally missed it but no it is working
man there is a there's a new standard
there's a new plum line just as that you
know the power of music the power of
spoken word as the the negative gangsta
rap you put that music on it's a
vibration to it it makes you feel a
certain type of way the same thing with
my music and many other people are you
know but um it's changing people's lives
and taking them to different levels
spiritually by listening to the music
and listening to the podcast I mean it's
people and that was a great marriage as
well the music and the podcast because
there's people who listen to the podcast
who have no idea that I do music and
then there's people who listen to the
music who are like oh you do a podcast
and you explain the music in the podcast
sure let's do it
but what is doing man is just insane
it's insane
I think it's brilliantly count all all
in itself and I'm just happy to be a
conduit of that that energy and peace
you know I'm saying let's keep in touch
brokers on you know we're I love I love
to hear and thank you for reaching out
to me and we know we talk off the air a
lot and just keep the faith man keep
digging deeper man let me hear those
revelations and stuff that you get man
all things work together really do right
at the end of the day everything we're
four men with low indeed the three
it's continually pulling us all man so
I'm not giving up I'm not walking away
from that Paul sated with her sight
he said if we're not faithful he's
faithful to himself he won't deny
himself so God is faithful to himself
and then God being faithful to himself I
mean he's gonna get me further down the
road so yeah that which I've committed
to him he's able to keep man so thank
you for that I will I will keep on
pursuing and keep on going is um do you
have any links that you want to share
our people can follow you work or maybe
file your file website is friend Lynch
org one of the pieces that I've done
that I really wanted I'm stepping back
into as I did a piece that's called the
script and what I basically did was took
the entire book of John and translated
it verse by verse into rhythm and rhyme
into rap
I did some includes the ass T's I have
that on Ecclesiastes 3 on on friendly
org as well but the book of John is just
my whole goal was to take the essence
the treasure of the scripture that I
absolutely loved the scripture and I
absolutely love hip-hop and so I wanted
to combine the two and so as I started
working on combined in the tube I kind
of almost ruined the translate a a a
hip-hop era phrase of what the
scriptures say not my commentary on the
scripture which a lot of rappers do you
know I don't know so I'm not but I was
like what about just straight scripture
solo at it so rhyming sacred writings
has become a thing of my rhyme enslavers
sacred writings though not a commentary
on it but just the actual flow and rhyme
of it so for example those that are
familiar with John one in the beginning
was the word and the Word was with God
where was God
I I did a translation of it that goes
and I'll do a little bit 1 through 14 it
says in the beginning was the word the
manifest logic of God heard and blurred
shining from the inner sanctum of the
3rd unbroken
catastrophic or quotes spoken from the
essence of eternities original notion
all things were made by his motion and
without him was no thing part of being
old man ain't grossed him and him was
life and that life was the light of men
shining in the dark for darkness didn't
comprehend there was a man whose famous
John he was the god said sent to point
men to the light their own sight they
might enter
johner stuff was not the light just
Senta represents the true Illuminati
that's kissed the face of everybody in
this world coming to going into knowing
he was in this world alive and growing
and though he made it all they slept on
them and kept on going he even came to
his chosen and his own can't close them
out and just him like he wasn't open but
to as many as her get wide open to
believe that he was just we told him to
them he spoke in the power to become
God's child who was born God's style a
full denial of any human medium no flesh
of blood and trade brain-stone
conceiving them strictly God born and
the word became flesh and manifest that
I missed and we'd be held in them as
best astounding not kind of fit and we
knew that God had come down my father
like son now truth from beginning to end
good from the inside out and so I just
went verse by verse and just put it into
rhyme and to flow and Manny came out so
beautiful and so one of the things
that's like my big dream my big dream my
upcoming thing that I want to do is I
want to train others with their hip-hop
flow whatever era have you heard my from
flow I'm locked in the era I ain't even
trying to change I ain't trying to are
you trying to all laugh if you had I
mean that's a that's awesome and you
spent definitely a couple weeks ago but
dude that's awesome and like do you have
a way to record I don't I don't right
now I'm in San Diego I just moved San
Diego to do this with Rachel's challenge
I need to get out cuz I want to get back
in the booth I love the booth and and I
want to do it myself but I also want to
get like a group of others that just
take sacred texts and and and just just
take hip-hop and sacred and just marry
the suit yeah did you ever did you ever
check out LCL be the law said oh yes cuz
like what you're doing reminds me of
Richard raw man when he would say he
would he would break down shoot the
relationship it was uh Isis and Osiris
or whatever and and he'd break down the
story and he'd tell her he the were the
the amasi got about a Anunnaki and it's
well
the Sumerian tablets and stuff and all
everything he's breaking it down and
he's telling the story just the way you
did and I love that I see that in you as
well so we got to get on the track
together man I can send you something
man good stuff man I'm telling you the
world needs this dog so please keep
doing what you're doing I'm all in man
you know I'm in just holla at you yeah
okay find a way to record if you need to
go to a studio you know I'm saying
whatever I'm sure we have people over
there who in this so in it but it's so
easy to get the stuff to record all you
need is a mic and a little small program
and you're good in a computer yeah do it
for many we use some of the most ancient
you know dinosaur computers to start
China make no record with the computer
the old computer mics to that we're like
you know like this big and like trying
to record no so it could be done man but
yeah we'll do something in the future
man hey bro thanks for coming on I
really enjoyed this conversation open it
up you sharing your thank you so much
I'm definitely continuing to watch and
listen and be a part of a great movement
that I think you're doing hey man thank
you all I love the support especially
when it comes from brothers in Christ to
who can see see what's happening you did
me I'm saying they know what's up they
know the mission behind behind
everything so I appreciate you man thank
you so much our brother Shalom Shalom
peace peace all right all right Fred
Lynch ladies and gentlemen good brother
man men have been building for a couple
weeks I'm gonna I'm gonna try to play
this little clip from this song from
else he'll be right quick let's see I
mean move we're killing it and they're
probably gonna flag my video but
come on man
else will be always paying homage man it
reminds me a lot of the storytelling
skills of Richard rah being able to tell
the stories from this sacred text so
really cool stuff enjoyed this interview
um read some of these comments here who
is a Kris garner said nearly three hours
while not as well man I might as well I
might as well talk for another 12
minutes go and hit that three hour mark
that's what I told him you know you want
to know how long we could do I said we
do an hour but it's dependent I knew we
were gonna do more an hours
the fact is if I don't like you or like
the conversation I can say okay we're at
the end of the show I really like the
longer conversations I know you guys do
too but um they're few and far between
now for some reason you just kind of run
out of stuff to talk about with people
but uh those people who you resonate
with man you can three hours ain't
nothing really but I want to say thank
you to Christy Christy folks for the
donation thank you for that three and
thirty three angels speak to me Thank
You Christy folks three and thirty three
angels speak to me I want to talk about
that a little bit too that's from the
new song synchronicity and when we were
live last night people were asking about
um the lyrics they were saying somebody
got in and he was like uh I can't think
of his name right off but he was the hey
man why do you say sold my soul to light
why do you say I said I've never said so
my soul to light what's what are you
talking about he said no the lyric says
sold my soul to light I'm like you got
to tell me the song man I know I've
never out of you know 200 plus songs I
don't know I've never said sold my soul
to light he said well you should have
said sold my soul to Christ so they're
like yeah I think you did say I'm like
what's all y'all talking about
so they said it was from synchronicity
three and thirty three and just speak to
me gazing at the sky spirit taking
flights um but I said um I said I can't
think of exactly but I said so my soul
delights gazing at the sky so my soul
delights right UFO UFOs at night so my
soul delights so my soul delights and
like I knew he wouldn't talk about
selling his soul no so this is
straighten that up that misheard lyrics
and I'll tell you what there's a bunch
of misheard lyrics a bunch of them some
people think I've I say the n-word or
curse in my music or something because
they hear something like a man why don't
you say it in words like never said
n-word in a song were you talking about
and it'll be a lyric where I'm speaking
fast and maybe have my subs and draw or
whatever and they just they hear other
lyrics and I'll see people like sharing
a video and then typing the lyrics out
and they're so different but I think
that's cool I like to hear I like to
hear when people have that you know
their their take on what they hear and
what it means to them because I guess at
the end of the day that's what it that's
what it all comes down to what it means
but as I share the lyrics you know
deeper revelation on what I was really
talking about that's really cool I
remember looking up lyrics to a KB song
right KB's the Christian rapper raps
with Lecrae he's got this song are
called um it's called like break it down
or something like that break it down I
think and um tear it down and he's got a
lyric in there where he thought we were
we mentioned apologetics and people who
are apologist speaking of that and one
of the best ones that I know and I'd
like to listen to is a guy named by the
name of Ravi Zechariah and uh Ravi
Zechariah which is spelled with that is
Zacharias really and um he's really good
so KB is really big into theology and
apologetics and all that stuff so anyway
in his song KB says a professor talking
down saying shoot how you deny the truth
he's
truce now I got a Ravi Zechariah you and
he's talking about handle you like Ravi
Zacharias would handle someone breaking
down biblical theology from a biblical
apologist standpoint ravi zacharias it's
like ramen scheme
neither you don't hear it every day
salute to that I loved it now I got a
Ravi Zacharias you and it's so funny
that that sounds kind of foreign what
what is a Ravi Zachariah if you didn't
know who or what Ravi Zacharias was and
if you heard that and I remember looking
up the lyrics to that song some time ago
and somebody else had posted the lyrics
on like lyrics calm or something and
they said and they typed the lyrics out
and it says shoot professor talking down
how you deny the truth truth now I got a
rhyme in Zechariah too and that was the
lyric that they typed out I'm like Robin
said it was just so funny I told him I
told KB that at a concert asked him if
he's seen it but I thought that was
really cool but the misheard lyrics are
funny some people you know but if you if
it's a term like that you've never heard
before you know it's gonna you don't
know how to interpret it you know what
I'm saying
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it it read it out loud thank you so much
for the donation that means a lot and
thank you um but yeah I wanted to kind
of touch on that synchronicity thing
yeah to everybody in the chat I've been
seeing you guys talk about it and all
the dislikes on the video before they
even go live so like I'll post the
videos and so it's like a reminder so
you guys can see every Tuesday and
Thursday I go live and I've filled up
with uh with guests until the end of
February right now every Tuesday and
Thursday
um but people you can see that and you
can actually like or click remind or
even dislike even before the
comes out and it was like six or seven
dislikes on today's video and even other
videos on before we even go live so less
people who are just getting on here just
disliking
all of my my videos to to some sometimes
it's more dislikes than likes now and
it's just something that's happened
within the last week week or two all of
my videos are just getting all these
crazy dislikes and I'm pretty sure is
this is a couple people or someone who
has multiple accounts or whatever the
case is and you know people making
making that known so uh I don't know
maybe I'm a disabled the like feature
once you get to a certain level you know
it kind of comes with the territory you
got the trolls you have the people who
are gonna do that I get little sly way
comments and stuff you know people
making fun of you people taking jabs or
whatever and I was talking to UM to Fred
before we went live I like to uh I liked
to silence the trolls you know what I'm
saying I like to to mute them you know
make it where they can't come on your
platform something that you've worked
hard to build at and just feel like they
they have the right to be there and just
kind of walk in and do what they want to
do whether it's little sly comments but
I get I get I get a handful of them you
know but it comes with the territory I
know there's a lot of channels to go
live and they've just they've just
didn't disabled that that that feature
altogether because they'll go like
Project Camelot all those big channels
man as soon as they go live forty fifty
dislikes off the back just because but
it's something it's something that the
fact that these people are watching like
I've got your attention I'm you you're
thinking about me you've can't you're
consciously coming to this channel to do
that so uh yeah Gio says don't feed the
trolls yeah well you know we're talking
about them so well say um what is it um
it's one one person two people three
people whoever seven people at which I
doubt but um you know they feel like
it's their Christian duty or whatever to
come in and just like the video
so point point taken I'm probably just
gonna disable that so they can't do it
so I don't know anyway um going back and
forth he was talking about how like on
the podcast he said it's really cool to
be able to see me kind of document all
of the all of these experiences or like
just kind of uh try to articulate the
beliefs and stuff and just have these
conversations that are documented in
podcast form now it's really cool right
but people have seen me go back and
forth right if you know my whole story
and if funny thing is there's so many
new people that not everybody knows like
like when that whole coming out of the
Christianity as far as being a part of
the Christian Church or whatever the
cases that was like a really really
really hard experience for me I'm I'm
open and honest about it and uh and then
so there has been times where I've done
videos and and I've promoted things and
then I've denounced denounce the same
thing the next week like that it was it
was insane man it was really one of the
hardest experiences of my life and I've
always been on social media I've always
created art of always I've been doing
podcasts like 20 2011 man 2010 so we've
been talking about this and so changing
beliefs theologies experiences religion
whatever the case is I've been open I've
been an open book so people have been
able to see that I've been you know I've
been telling my story for years man and
so people have got to see that process
and the good thing is I people have
learned from that good and bad like
people I've got friends who have seen
like how I was treated from like the
Christian Church perspective that they
said you know what and people like hey
man I thought you used to do ministry
talking to my friends and they're like I
don't want nothing to do with that I
seen which I'll did the true seeker I
know what y'all gonna do to me like I
don't want nothing to do with that that
smiling in your face
talking behind your back all of this
weird gossip stuff that goes on if you
don't walk the line if you don't you
know do with what they require of you
and stuff so people have seen that from
day one enough and like I said I've seen
you know maybe even double-minded on
some things I had some friends that say
okay you you know I've done videos from
talking about the Kundalini researching
that and talking about how it's all one
then I've done interviews asking people
to forgive me for even comparing the two
that they're not the same all of this
stuff it's in this growth process it's
like what Kris garner saying it's at
it's all about the growth and that it is
okay to explore and it is okay to not
have everything figured out and that's
the problem with a lot of people they
feel like they have to have the answer
or the truth on every subject or even if
they don't know what they'll make it up
that's a big thing to write but just be
open and honest about your own
experiences man and every level that
you're in and you know life is a walking
contradiction man we're learning man
we're ever growing trying to figure this
stuff out but I think that the more that
we're open and honest man and don't try
to hide it the Bible says to be in the
light as he is in the light and there is
no darkness in the light there's nothing
that you have to hide I'm not hiding
nothing so they can't there's no
ulterior motives there is no there's no
funny business
there is no selling your soul to like
whatever like there is like I'm open and
honest about everything you know and I
think that that's that's how we should
be you know and ready to call call BS
when it needs to be called and you know
that's what we're doing here so anyway
I've touched on that little bit of stuff
again the you know my chakras album
which is entitled colors is done it's
based off of
each song is influenced by that chakra
by chakra just understanding that each
one of those seven chakras represents
something in our lives that were going
through whether it's for relationships
whether it's arm our intuition whether
it's our minds eye of dealing with third
eye and dreams and visions and
aspirations or the crown like the heart
the desires of your heart the pursuits
like dealing with that so I've done the
album it's called colors it's done on
patreon it'll be out on the first for
the general public to consume but I also
followed that up with a chakra
meditation so I have a meditation that I
did where going through taking you in
controlling your breathing tapping into
the higher realms and then focusing your
intention on each chakra cleansing it in
speaking blessings to that each chakra
representing those things about your
life going up each one and lumen ating
all the way up to the third eye then to
the crown and just as you're in that
state of euphoria and bliss focusing on
the on your breathing and just speaking
blessings and almost praying over you as
well so if you want to check that out
that's a whole experience as well I got
two of them now that's recorded I'm
probably gonna have a lot more here soon
but um I want to make sure that I'm
continuing to plug even the first one
manda uh I really I really worked hard
on that Dion that the throne room
meditation that is a is a is a journey
through the ancient ancient temple the
tabernacle of Moses and into the holy
place of God and into the most holy
place the Holy of Holies in there it's
just a whole encounter crystalline said
as the best meditations he's ever heard
taking you on this journey I hired
voice actors to uh to do
different parts in it and stuff too so
if you haven't heard that make sure you
check that out and so there's gonna be
more coming so anyway with that being
said I'm gonna say peace and Shalom
thank you guys for hanging out with me
for three hours thank you guys for
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know I try to jump on some of these
questions right quick I'm reading the
comments and it kind of throws me off
sometimes but I trying to I'm trying to
have to read it as much during the
podcast even though I do when I'm trying
not to incorporate them cuz it'll throw
you off when I'm supposed to be like
paying attention to the the guest
website 2026 that the Holy of Holies is
no longer in the King James Version
maybe this is some of the Bible mendala
effect let's see pull up my Bible
program
I'm gonna look it up myself to find out
see hmm maybe right dang that words not
even showing up crazy that was one thing
too about doing my research and stuff is
I would like read all of these versions
and I would miss quote scriptures
because it would say different things
and with doing your research and you
want to quote the Bible you want to
quote verses but they all say something
different yeah it doesn't look like it's
showing up in the in the King James
Version or the ESV you know what I know
what it is it's called um the KJV says
it's called the most holy place in the
KJV I'm gonna look that up and if it's
called the most holy place it's the Holy
of Holies it's the most the top of the
holy place probably called other names
too but yeah there's just things cuz we
have read different versions and stuff
like that and we kind of get stuff
cross-referenced and stuff um turquoise
Moon says we all have the same goal we
just have different paths to find it
John Santiago says do it guys worth it
all caps on the meditation thank you for
the support Santiago you're the man
brother waiting on my t-shirt I'm a when
you send me that t-shirt I'm gonna wear
it during the podcast promote your
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Christian says much love much blessings
true seeker I will be subscribed once I
get out this pit hole first amen
Jesus Christ Superstar says I have a
question for you you want to see the
truth you have to have an open mind
and leave religion out of it I know I am
a Astro traveler website also says
neither is Denarius or Passover
Easter's and King James V KJV yeah yeah
that's one of the things I found out
early on when I was there was a period
of time where we came out of we got into
Messianic Judaism and we quit doing the
pagan holidays we quit doing Christmas
and Easter and Halloween and
Thanksgiving we came out of that come
out of her my people so that you will
not be a particular of her sins we came
out of the ways of the world and so we
started doing the the Jewish feast and
festivals and we did Passover and we did
all the feasts and trumpets and it kept
the Sabbath and stuff like that you know
and um during the studies you find out
that the word Passover says Easter in
the KJV that lets you know that um but
the Bible is not the inerrant Word of
God the KJV says that they celebrate
that they partook of Easter Easter is it
says it's the word Pesach pacer which is
Passover it's not the same thing
Easter is not Passover that's the days
where the pagans could come together and
the Christians and partake of the same
similar festivities during the same time
and so that yeah the word is worse
Easter there if the what if the if the
Bible is the inerrant Word of God which
version it's not KJV KJV says Easter and
says the whole talks about you you know
a lot of other stuff but um the inerrant
Word of God is Jesus the Word made flesh
love became flesh that's the inerrant
Word of God it's not the written word at
all by any means you know but
there's enough truth in it preserved for
you to dig and do your research to lead
you so magical is still a magical book
Astra says wait what is the KJV still
being updated I thought it was static
and then there was an in kg in kg v and
that's that yeah that there's a there's
a new king james version as well in KJV
the new king james which they say take
only takes out the design that thou and
in diamond which are in there for a
reason because they all mean different
things these I'd thou and dine are not
just different ways of saying the same
thing they all mean different things
which is a whole deep study in and of
itself but um they change most of that
as well
talk or moon says loves that she loves
this the Solstice is a ish star and
Easter yeah that's where they say the
name uh is star Easter comes from is
from a star which was the goddess of the
moon with fertility rites and then you
have she supposedly came down I believe
was from the moon in an egg in an egg
right she came down from the moon inside
of an egg and then on Easter you go
collect Easter eggs that come from
bunnies bunnies don't lay eggs you know
all this stuff when it comes into that
um what is this I see and I'll show you
guys it so so the so the goddess is star
you know comes down in and in an egg I'm
gonna show this video for those of you
guys watching on YouTube but this is uh
this is uh I don't know why showing me
so small like that it's kind of weird I
think I changed the other day okay
anyway so the video that's playing this
Lady Gaga coming to like one of the
awards ceremony as his star in her egg
she's being carried and delivered in an
Easter egg funny funny thing too that
the egg is synonymous with that being
hidden something that is hidden that
will be revealed later in video games
and in movies they have a lot of hidden
easter eggs as what they call it easter
eggs and in the movies and stuff and
video games give an homage to uh other
movies or other games that came before
but it's a pretty interesting higher
with her people being brought and it's
like just creating a ritual right being
brought in an easter egg so good stuff
if there's any other comments here
before I jump off I thought it was cool
too cuz right when somebody commented um
forgot who it was but somebody commented
about the Native Americans
you know people calling it the UH the
Native American savages but then it was
the savages who came and took their
customs and destroyed it and made them
forget their own language and cut their
hair all kinds of silly things to try to
convert the savages but she said that
the people who came and did that whether
the true savages and just as soon as she
posted that he was he started speaking
about
American spirituality like right when I
seen that comment I thought that was
pretty cool dose synchronicity so anyway
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already on on YouTube
if you're listening and I want to check
it out go check it out you know yeah I'm
excited about it with that I'm gonna be
putting out another album very soon
right after several collabs and features
that I've done as well as some new stuff
that's coming out on the EP it's gonna
be called the ESP EP I believe unless I
change it but that's gonna be coming out
shout out to Watchmen watch me is trying
to call me and text me I tell him not to
call me during the podcast and he calls
me during the podcast Watchmen is upset
right now and I'm gonna talk about what
happened he he bought the same beat that
I bought for um the song synchronicity
that I did I've been promoting it the
last four days it's been out he wrote a
full song to that same beat and we
didn't communicate on we used a lot of
the same producers so he bought the beat
and wrote a whole song to it and now
he's just like upset it's part of it
shout out the Watchmen love you brother
I'll find you another beat man you can
uh right you can probably drop it to
another song so set out to him with that
I must say peace of Shalom guys you all
have a great day and I'll see y'all
tonight school of the Mystics also two
of you looking for community if we look
in you want to hang out with like-minded
people make sure you do that and on disk
or a bunch of cool people hanging out on
disk or and throughout the day talking
and getting into voice chat community
sharing knowledge inspiration ideas
questions all of that kind of stuff
bunch of cool people part of that and
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it is there we use
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taking advantage of the technology there
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discord chat so if you want to hang out
jump in Watchmen Chris garner says move
quicker bro move quicker you got to put
it out first so with that I'm say peace
and Salome and yep have a great day
everyone
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