From Gospel To Gangsta | Ex-Christian Rapper K-Lee

From Gospel To Gangsta | Ex-Christian Rapper K-Lee
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guest who I'm bringing on is a good
friend of mine we have we haven't spoken
some years but I've been following his
work for some years and we've been
connected for many years and uh speaking
of the whole if everyone would give a
dollar thing like I had let forth 14,000
friends on my facebook and if everybody
gave it a dollar a month like what we
could do what we can accomplish with
everybody given a dollar but obviously
you have a few people doing a lot so you
guys are awesome but the first time I
seen that was from was from Kayle Kayle
posted something years ago was like man
I got 20,000 friends if everybody gave a
dollar we can promote and and record all
kinds of new music Kaylee welcome to the
show my brother what's up homie lazy
laughing bro I Love You Man Lee Z main
lazy my mouth
okay so Kaley when I came to the Lord
like I came to the Lord in 98 and I came
back to God in 2000 but it was around
maybe 2002 3 4 maybe looking up
Christian rap cuz I was just always
looking up music online and seeing who's
that the biggest stuff and it was always
the comparison charts back in the day we
had like Christian rappers who sound
like little
Wayne and then they give you a two or
three rappers that sound like yeah sound
click Christian rappers that sound like
three 6 mafia you know what I'm saying
Caylee was under like the three 6 mafia
went and I think you made the Insane
Clown Posse one two you know what I'm
saying so I was like you know let me
check this dude out checked him out
Kelly was making beats and making music
back then and it was Christian music and
it was different he brought something
different to the table because like
cross movement was the big thing back
then and it was just all this like East
Coast and music from up north but
someone's like has a southern flow and
doing it in the gospel industry caitli
was the first person I found and I
connected with them from that moment on
emailed them and we started building
there that was some years ago homies
after that we did a song together yeah
we did um this is how we ride man yeah
that's nice ain't no 2009 dude that's a
game changer for a lot of people a lot
of people that still that's their
favorite song that I've put out is that
song man let's talk about we talk about
where you are now but let's just let's
talk about the early days of Christian
hip-hop man I love reminiscing with it
and I love being able to speak candidly
without like not being afraid to step on
somebody's toes to disagree or say
what's really wrong with Christian
hip-hop you know now we can kind of
because we're somewhat removed from it
we can actually tell you the truth and I
think the truth is from a sense because
we we were involved with it so we know
what it does to someone we know how to
walk on eggshells we know how we can't
be authentic and all that and then your
creativity is stifled talk a little bit
man about your early days and Christian
music well you know I got saved in 1996
and never really wanted to do music
really like for up the job I've been
writing music since I was eight but I
never like thought I would be making a
living through a music
had more of a I like to write poetry and
things like that so as I got into music
my mom introduced me to t-bone I was a
bunch of just gangster rap and things
like that I mean I was 14 to 17 was
probably worst years like where I got
real close to going a bad path that my
brother's chosen you know multiple
felonies and and a lot of jail time
later you know they hopefully they're
you know they're learning from that but
I got really blessed and lucky mended I
didn't go down that path my mom
introduced me to t-bone and a couple
other groups back then and I was in I
was inspired to write music that was
about my life but about my newfound
faith in Christ so me being a baby
Christian and and not really
understanding what true ministry was and
not understanding what you know I
couldn't even hear God's voice back then
I just gave my life to God I didn't
understand what his voice sounded like
it was all religion to me I was just
following what everybody else was
telling me to do which is typical what
most people do and they get safe they
don't know no better so they they fall
into the category of you tell me where
I'm supposed to go and I go a name to
putting a lot of trust and faith in man
and then when those me and end up
hurting they were stabbed in the back
they turned their back on God which had
absolutely nothing to do with with God
but did you watch the interview we just
did did you watch that at all yeah
that's exactly what we're talking about
at the end 100% that's truth man I mean
that's that's I I experienced it I mean
to be honest in all the years of music
that I've done the only people that done
me dirty in music were people that were
Christians say that's bad because I'm
dealing with nothing but people that do
gangster rap and stuff now and they're
the most respectful people they don't
they don't step on my toes they don't
lie to me it blows me away man I know
right it's really sickening and that's
weird it is but you know Christian rap
back Danny was totally different than it
is now it was very bible-thumping in
your ear killing demons that's what it
was when I heard it I was pumped and
excited about the music anyway so
I listened to it it made me feel good it
kept me away from most part doing bad
things and so I started doing Christian
rap my first album which was called pain
they dropped the end of 1999 that album
was so preachy I was telling everybody
they were going to hell
it was I am I mean it's it happened and
and it touched a lot of people and I'm
grateful for that
but it embarrasses me because I didn't
realize that I was that forceful to
people and uh a lot of people pushed a
lot of people away man a lot of people
like it did really did lead a lot to the
Lord but there's so many men that won't
even listen to my music now yeah because
of what I said back then because I was
so forth they were so hurt by the church
already that when I come on board and I
pitch my CD to him they were like hey I
came at him like I was doing gangsta rap
anyways I was trying to you know trick
them into buying my music thinking it
was they would hear the music yep it did
I mean a lot of people bought my stuff
thinking it was gangster and then they
got they found out it was about Jesus
they called my phone customer messing me
out you know telling me I can't believe
you sold me this you know I got I mean I
was just like amen
you know I mean I didn't know what to do
you know I just was doing what I felt
like God wanted me to do yeah it at that
time in my life you know so from being
ministry minded you know what I'm saying
even though things weren't done right
and you learn and you grow and they said
some of it turned your stomach to kind
of maybe the belief systems that you had
or though or maybe the views on hell if
they have changed and all of this stuff
that the the church say are like is like
foundational doctrines that first of all
study and you find out that the
scriptures
you know talk about a lot of different
stuff in a way we're going about it it's
not working I think for me man and when
we're talking about Hell and stuff like
that like the closer I get to the grace
and beauty of God like I can't imagine
that God's gonna torture these people
for eternity who have been put off by
the church and it's up to this church to
wind them to eternal salvation that God
would leave it up to a
a man to put another put somebody's
eternal salvation in another man's hands
man and so that just studying and it's
evolving and getting close to the love
of God you begin your approach even
changes not that the gospel changes the
gospel is the good news man but your
approach to kind of reach people where
they are like people don't even
understand that church lingo like you're
trying to win people over to Jesus and
and we speak a totally different
language just like walking out speak in
Chinese because there is Christianese
there's a whole nother lingo and stuff
man talk a little bit about that well I
mean everything I did back then it
doesn't even exist to me like I'm
talking I'm the closer to God than I've
ever been in my entire life I know that
sounds so backwards I'll even speak like
just logically about who I was back then
you know the person that I was when I
was doing Christian rap to be honest
with you guys was a pornography addict
sex addict negative individual who used
to punch walls to relieve aggression I
don't even recognize that human being
anymore
I don't watch porn like it's amazing to
me how when somebody sees my new videos
they initially think I've sold my soul
to the devil and because the naked eye
they think well if something looks
demonic it probably is and that's not
the truth at all I've seen you you can
feel the demonic by the way it feels if
you test that spirit you know when I see
something I know it's demonic because I
from I recognize that spirit but you
know so to kind of paint to kind of
paint where you are now you don't do you
you're removed from gospel rap and we
can kind of go back and forth but you
removed from gospel rap and it's more of
the
gangsta rap I guess that's a good word
for it
alien gang is is the movement that
you're pushing definitely catering to
the outcasts those who who even the
church would would look over right and
so you've kind of even the church most
definitely the church really is a
movement in an alien stance for anyone
lost in Earth's neglect some side of my
throat is on my knuckles it's on my
chest it's on my ankles
you know alien alien is an identity you
know people that they're lost they're
hurting they're lonely they're depressed
they're suicidal these people all over
the world they they tried to leak out
you know hints I'm Jordan I've knowed I
need buddy I need something but they're
crying out for help the church I don't
want to say as a whole but from what I
see they don't even see these people
exactly these people don't come to
church they don't want to be in church
they want nothing to do with church
these people are doing drugs they're
living lifestyles that they think is
right they don't they don't care what
the church thinks and so they're there
as far away from the church as possible
the church hits steel 99% of the times
this is steel so these people they'll
never get touched I'm not trying I don't
anybody get me twisted when I was doing
music for the Lord my ultimate objective
was to lead people to Jesus get your
make a decision absolutely this day and
age where I'm at right now and you got
to hear me my objective is to be these
peoples friend I want to be these
peoples friend the Lord spoke to me
playing his day and he said Kenan if you
want to touch the world you must first
inspire them that's what the Lord told
me if you want to touch the world you
must first inspire them and I understand
exactly what that meant and the Lord was
showing me you know somebody that's I
don't know they got a cool shirt on and
somebody walks in says hey Matt like
your shirt something as small as that
showing somebody you know a split second
of attention could put a smile on their
face and instantly now they see you is
being cool because you cared about them
enough to say something to them about
the shirt so I want to build
relationships with people like that I'm
not trying to I'm not trying to win
people to Jesus I'm not trying to force
people to go to church not try to do any
of that
I want to take these people who have no
friends and I want to give them a friend
well let me know what people have oh
they have no love and give them love
they have no brothers and sisters and
give them brothers and said isn't that
winning them to Jesus though essentially
like what the church is supposed to be
doing exactly and so you have seen a
broken system and and now you're doing
it like now you're actually going out
there to the ones and we talked about a
while ago just simply like those who
don't deserve grace you go to them and
you show them grace those who don't
deserve love you go to them and you love
them you know how many people bro I've
had in all these people even if they're
watching your show or they're going to
watch this you all should be ashamed of
yourself
for sending me messages saying that I
should have killed myself when I was
suicidal these are believers I'm talking
to ya messaging me talking quote/unquote
[Â __Â ] to me telling me that I should
have killed myself that God doesn't love
me no more and that I'm not right and
that I've sold my soul to the devil and
I'm demonic and it looked like a demon
you know you all should be ashamed of
yourself if you were any closer to God
you would know the truth and what I'm
doing and what I'm about because last
time I checked we worship the same God
so you can't tell me something and tell
you something totally different
so one of us would be alive that's the
disconnect there man and I'm in the same
boat as you grow I mean I don't do like
vulgar music but my spirituality and all
of the paths out because it brings bring
to the table I got the same thing you're
a devil worshiper and I explain why I do
explicit music go ahead this is this is
a fact
the devil has been lying to the church
lied to the world this is his job he's
the author of confusion he's the father
of liars he lies to everybody in some
way shape or form so initially when you
hear music you know the type of music
you listen to so when you listen to
music if it doesn't sound familiar to
you you're initially going to go I don't
listen that well the devil's real sly
about Christian rap and about tweaking
the music to make the music sound a
certain way he's the director of music
in heaven you know that's what he did
for for God he made sure the music
sounded a certain way so the music no
matter what people say it draws them in
so how if I was pitching my stuff before
and I don't have any custom any things
like that little bitty things that
really make a huge difference when
you're trying to reach you they would
listen to the music over and over again
find out something's different I could
be talking about God left or right but
if it had said [Â __Â ] damn words like that
in it people initially listen to the
music this is the music I listened to
they resonate with it I like this and
they'll say I see it every day
truth every single day so many people
now that used to never listen to my
music or wanted to listen to my music
now yeah because I'm cussing in my music
yeah and it's because 90% of christians
listen to mainstream music they won't
admit it yeah I don't want to tell me I
shouldn't be cussing in my music but 90%
of their CD cases and their iPods are
filled with Drake little Wayne 2 Chainz
and all this other [Â __Â ] that's out
there ya know and that's the truth
I'll let anyways but then they're gonna
dog a brother for actually strategically
trying to write music that a the world
wants to listen to I want to I want
these people to intersect into my life I
want them to when they hear my songs to
relate to the music I'm writing music
for them I'm not writing music for the
church I'm not writing music for any
believer I'm writing music
for those that are want to blow their
brains out for those that are overdosing
on drugs I had
conversation with a god this morning so
Stoney couldn't even walk who I love
very dearly who was smoking k2 on the
phone on the other side with me
that's how interlocked I am with these
people they'll call me smoking k2
because they know that hey I'm gonna
love them I'm not gonna judge them but
I'm here for them if they ever need me
yeah this is a passive lesson the church
needs to hear
I think obviously you wouldn't do it if
it wasn't working like you wouldn't do
it if he wasn't seeing a fruit and
seeing the looks on those faces of the
people who have been looked over other
the tears on people's faces exactly
people call me last week that were gonna
kill themselves I stopped them they
called me they didn't call a pastor they
didn't call some youth pastor they
didn't call their mom their dad they
called 40 tattoos on his face black
fingernail polish all black they called
me because I came to them in a way that
nobody else has I respect them I love
them I treat them like I want to be
treated this is the gospel yeah this is
the gospel I'm not trying to get people
to go to church even read their Bible
yeah I encourage people in my movement
and this is a real game truth it's a
real game but it's not a gang of
violence and drugs we speak out against
both but this is a real gang that gangs
are just nothing but people that love
each other I got your back you got my
back I defend you defend me this is
gonna grow there's 130 tattoo nailing
gang members right now in my state we
got we got a caller on the phone we got
a call on the phone right now he's he
sent the message in the chat room reason
wants to let you know he's gonna he
wants to get the tattoo sent to 100
hundred views from Arkansas maybe you
know who he is but he's a fan of your
work he said he's gonna get to tattoo
he's on the phone too we'll jump the
phone calls here in a little bit so if
anybody wants to call and make sure you
do that you mentioned how the the people
who listen to Christian music will have
the Lecrae CD but they also got the
Wayne and Drake right
and I noticed one thing that as far as
people like you find you found
Christians buying Christian rap but they
also by secular music right you don't
know what you know you know you don't
you don't find secular people going and
buying buying the Lacroix CD and riding
around the trap listening to Lacroix it
don't happen like they want it to happen
Lecrae in them but it doesn't happen bro
because there's there's a devil truth he
exists
he's real the devil knows that anything
that has God's stamp on it
anything that has God's stamp Orthodox
meaning I'm not talking I'm a very
unorthodox Christian and and there's
people all across the world that'll
argue with you that I'm not a Christian
and that's okay I know my heart I know
what I do every day I know what my
movement does I know what my movements
going to do and quite frankly you won't
see me on Facebook bragging about it
like 90% of your ministers do today with
their ministry they get on there and as
soon as somebody gets touched they post
it on Facebook mm-hmm you won't see that
about me and that's why 99 percent of
you will think I'm off my rocker because
you won't see that on social media all
you're gonna see is [Â __Â ] damn and [Â __Â ]
on my facebook page and also and you're
gonna think he's way off his rocker I'm
not here to reach you just know you've
already been reached by the ones that
are mad at you for talking [Â __Â ] about me
on my facebook that's the ones I hear to
reach they're ones offending me because
they relate to me in my movement and
relate to the fact that feeling alone
and feeling they they have no body these
are the people that I want to reach
those are my people those are my people
with my heart and I love all of them
yeah talk a little bit about the the
approach though cuz I want to ask you as
far as the titling of the videos is that
something to kind of distance yourself
maybe even inwardly a piece of like hey
I'm this is behind me
because a lot of the like on the titles
of the videos or to say X X Christian
rapper has lost his damn mind or this
guy used to be a Christian rapper can
you believe it
is that to get the Christians to check
it out or it's like if it's like a whole
new dim
graphic you wouldn't need to do that so
what's what's those titles for well you
know I didn't change my name
yeah and a lot of people like new one
changed his name
yeah but new one I'm [Â __Â ] guarantee
you new one did not do this for the same
exact reason I did yeah Yona Amy in
videos with six naked women in my bed
with me you'll never see me doing
anything remotely like that you won't
hear me talk about banging hoes you
won't hear me talk about anything that
I'm not living and I'm not gonna
compromise myself to make any kind of
money this is not a compromise to me
this is an investment I'm investing my
gift to reach these people before they
put a bullet in their head and before
they overdose on xanax following after
dumbass rappers on from you too you
better just sitting around popping xanax
oh yeah kids all maudlin after these
rappers man
and if rappers don't start outsmarting
the devil they start figuring out new
ways to touch these people's lives
it's ovie it's over yeah that's it
that's a big dang man the whole
discussion of like you know when we were
coming up it was people were dragging
about being drug people were bragging
about being drug dealers I'm serving
fiends I'm selling ice cream you know
all of this stuff about being the drug
dealer being dependent being the one
that had the money now
this generation of rappers are bragging
about being the Attucks like they're
okay to be on Owen's and there's a new
little YouTube rapper named littlez and
it was just talking about him last night
yeah it's like they're bragging about it
and then they're doing Instagram videos
of them tossing zanna's in their mouths
and then they're daunted in it coming up
dead little peep rest in peace loopy but
man it's that image bro like it like
that's the consequence of it like if you
brought little peep is the reason I came
out of retirement I was retired for six
years when a little keep down I've never
heard of him before same I started going
on YouTube and reading all the comments
from all these tens over 16 year old
kids crying their eyes out saying that
they lived in brief little peak that
their their life is lawful
about him and I said you know what I
think it's time that I come back but I
said god I'm not coming back doing
Christian music I'm not I said I refuse
I got eleven Christian albums I sold
fifty-four thousand CDs out trunk of my
car truth and you know that to be a fact
I did that I was out there every day man
I grinded I gave my whole entire career
and everything that I existed for for
ministry and for the church and I said
if I come back I'm doing this for these
kids I'm doing this for these people
they need some sort of positive
reinforcement from the naked eye are you
gonna think man this music is negative
it is what it is 99% of people that's
listening on music are already negative
yeah but so they arm to them it's it's
medicine yeah
medicine everyone do people that are
living in the church man if they're if
they're you know predominantly positive
people they're gonna hate me it was oh
yeah just cuz you write music don't mean
everybody's gonna relate to it no duh I
write music with specific people in mind
I think about the kid whose role model
after Pete and he's popping xanax every
night so I'll write a song called better
better is inside you you just gotta be
it you just gotta be it
chain up the demons inside of your being
release all the [Â __Â ] free I write
songs like that to those people that are
in that spot you feel me
yeah I see I watch the news i watch the
media man I write songs based on what I
see to try to reach these people man
listen I'm [Â __Â ] I just sold my soul
to devil just to make money
I haven't made a guy that's what people
would say yeah of course they're gonna
say that I haven't made a dime off any
music that I've done since I've come
back at all not one dime it's come and
trust me it's coming the buzz is being
built we fed over a hundred thousand
views in two videos in eighteen days
over a thousand shares already the
videos are going viral a lot of people
are talking right now there's a lot of
people talking negatively about me and
that's okay you just did a song with
smoke right is that who was in your new
video smoke yeah Oh corleone he's the
guy I've known for a long time but I
you know I believe into God he's got a
amazing amount of talent I mean to be
real with you bro I've lost 2500 friends
on Facebook and on Instagram and on
Twitter because I wear eyeshadow on my
face and nail polish on my hands if that
don't tell me that the church is twisted
that a former Christian rapper who
they've never even heard the music
because I come out that I'm gonna come
out and do gangsta rap or do exclusive
music whatever you want to say and they
see my imagery you block me and race me
on Facebook because I'm my imagery you
should be ashamed of yourself mm-hmm
because I am closer to God than I've
ever been in my entire life can you ask
anybody that's around me that knows me I
definitely do not [Â __Â ] around when
it comes to Jesus Christ he is my Lord
he is my Savior regardless and anybody
that surround me knows that he's my boss
and knows that he's my Maker I don't
hide that and I will never hide that you
don't like faintness devil worshippers
and witches bro they're all part of a
league a yep
chew on that Conner can get it which is
a devil pers are all wanting to be a
part of a lien gang the Beek they feel
the same way that I do alone I felt so
alone and none of the church folks were
ever there for me they weren't there for
me I've tried to kill myself 12 times
truth and I can't think of many
Christians outside of my mother and it
may be maybe four or five others
literally in my entire life that were
there for me I mean it's it disgusts me
me you know how many people are hooked
on drugs bro that when I'm having a bad
day they call me and tell me they love
me we're talking people that are on
heroin broke yeah all at me telling me
they love me the church should be
ashamed of itself that was Pete that was
a big one for me man because I got when
I was doing ministry I had a lot of
people who were in my corner
most of them cuz that cuz I had
something to offer right and it's always
the people who have something to offer
or whatever but uh
these different ministries and ministers
and evangelists and stuff and I would
talk to them on the phone and before
they hung up they got to a point where
they would tell me they loved me on the
phone and when you're on the phone with
another man and you know say you tell me
that now but I think maybe even you back
in the day but for the first time being
on the phone with the man and like I
brought all of you bro and you're like
how do I respond do I say I love you too
like how do i you know and I and I had
to take me that concept I bro
I love you too and I meant that right
hang the phone up
i bro love you bro love you man my
wife's like who's that or that song so
you know that you're okay you guys get
off the phone like that and I meant it
and then when you go through the
struggle when you have a change of heart
or your faith is tested or maybe from
their perspective maybe you're going
through the darkest time you've ever
faced but then those guys are I love you
bro they're nowhere to be found
absolutely you don't happy people and
this last week that's a guy that came on
my Facebook page and uh his initial
reaction
he was f alien gang you fake this yeah
I've seen a couple of them yeah I'm
talking dude is talking trash about me
man well I got upset and I put him in
his place initially and I said you know
what's sad bro I said you're just like
us you just don't even know it and he
said no I'm nothing like you
he said I'm smarter than you I said uh I
sent you're crying out for help bro and
I said you know what I love you man
this guy got Clyde bro ain't posted on
Facebook and tagged me in it and he said
my whole life all I've wanted was what
this one guy that I don't even know who
I was being a total dick to he said this
guy gave it to me and I would never have
expected it from someone looks like him
and I said dude I love you man this dude
no disrespect to me he's apologized to
me I mean he straight-up feels the
movement he wants to be down with the
movement if you listen to what I just
said though man this guy I'm talking
borderline atheist if not right over the
edge I don't even believe there's a god
so many people are getting outsmarted by
the devil right now then the double
waves of pick up your Bible and preachy
people on a street corner it's dead bro
The Devil's outsmarting all of you
there's a new beach people and you have
to love them you have to accept them and
you have to be there for them regardless
whether you believe or even accept what
they do it's not up to you God is a big
enough God to excuse me he's a big
enough God to deal with those people's
heart that you don't have to you can but
it was love them love them be there for
them pray for him let him know you there
for him you don't gotta force anything
let God deal with their heart man and
yes time that he's gonna touch their
life and if you're around I'm gonna tell
you right now bro i minister the people
when I was doing Christian rap and I led
them to Lord I've let over a thousand
people to the Lord for all and later
I've led these people to the Lord I've
gotta show me he showed me how I messed
up and it's cuz I didn't know no better
I would lead somebody to the Lord I
would take him down a new road get him
out of the drug deal trade get him into
churches the first a moment that they
fell away from God and stumbled the
devil told them I'm the guy they should
avoid so when they would fall they'd go
back to drugs they wouldn't want me to
know because they wouldn't want me to be
ashamed of to be disappointed in them
yeah so what I do they put my number on
the mutant block list that's our looks
ever again I remember that what point
did I do
yeah I let them tell Lord and all that
but what point did I do they don't have
any godly friends now they've rejected
every godly friend that they had I would
in my honest opinion rather be their
friend love them be there for them if
they ever want God in their life and
that their every at rock-bottom and want
to take their own life who do you think
they're going to call and they will and
they will hit ooh they do want a weekly
if not daily basis there oh it's weird
it's weird because the whole Christian
thing bro it's like you can you can meet
somebody have this camaraderie whether
you lead them to the Lord or not but you
guys are build in
in daily breaking bread in a moment in a
moment they go back to drugs you don't
hear from that person again yes I hold
on bro I still love you I don't give a
damn what you're doing it's because we
have become the definition of perfection
and we are pieces of [Â __Â ] that need
Jesus we need him as our Savior all of
us nobody's better than anybody else on
this earth
yes we're royalty in his eyes but were
sinners I'm the same center he's the
same Center we're all sinners were all
filthy rags without the Lord in our life
so I don't ever want to have the words I
am nobody tattooed on my chin bro to
never forget where I come from yeah I'll
never be any better than anybody else on
this earth ever I will always be the
same whether I'm driving a Bugatti or
I'm driving a Pontiac it does not matter
I have no money or I'm filthy rich I
will always be the same without God's
grace and without what he's blessed me
with I would be nothing and that's the
truth man I don't ever want to act like
I'm better than nobody else cuz I'm not
so you see this it's safe to say that
you would you you still approach this
ministry minded is that safe to say
absolutely
I don't do Christian music I don't want
any part of Christian music I have no no
focus on anything church related at all
nothing I want to make good music I want
to make music that my fans relate to
that's what I want to do and that's what
I'm doing I'm making music for them for
the alien game the people that join this
movement they're my family
it's like distant cousins in the future
people that join alien gang all across
the United States and all across the
world they'll get perks for being in the
movement they'll get discounts on their
show tickets to my shows they'll get
discounts on rumor because they have the
tattoos on their body these people rep
it they're getting tattooed behind their
on their faces on their hands - it's
visible - where nobody can hide it these
people rip it I've given them a new
identity now they don't feel like
they're nothing now they don't feel like
they're nobody now they say I'm an alien
that's the way I'm anyone lost a nurse
neglect I'm just like you and they're
spread all right
there's something coming from me I'm
playing I'm playing devil's advocate
because I've come from I've got
everything that you got bro I got it too
right
but so they would say okay if you love
these people and you're giving them a
way out some would say you don't love
them you're just playing off of their
heart playing off of their emotions if
you love them you'll tell them the
truths that they need they did that they
need Jesus and need to repent what would
you say to that I do do that but it's a
time in a place you know if you do that
to certain people at the wrong time
though - yeah you're right that's
exactly what they'll do bro if you talk
to people who are on drugs if they're
hooked you there's no telling them yeah
I'm telling you I told this morning on
the phone the guy that was doing k2 I
said dude my exact words that shit's
gonna kill you bro all I'm trying to do
is plant them nuggets to hope in him one
day you'll get fed up with it I've
prayed for him many times I've prayed
for him I've fed him bought him clothes
when nobody else bought him Christmas
presents I'm the one that me and my
girls already bought him Christmas
present you know we're there for him
he's on the streets man he's been on the
streets since he was eight years old
he's 25 years old he's out there every
day holding his sign trying to make it
yeah where's the church at you know what
are they doing for this dude I don't
want to push him away any further than
what he's already been pushed away I
want to be his friend if I can be his
friend for 20 years I can make a bigger
impact in those 20 years in the church
could ever do by coming up trying to get
him a set since birth because that guy's
gonna have a relationship with Jesus
after those 20 years I guarantee you you
don't have a relationship with God the
moment you meet him you don't even know
who he is
you don't even know what he sounds like
you don't even know what his voice
sounds like you can't even hear him so
just such saying a sinner's prayer is
one thing but you know as well as I do
it takes years before you hear God's
voice correctly yeah start seeing him
from bumper stickers and other friends
saying stuff to hearing past this that's
the way you here because you can't hear
him and the only way to hear him is get
closer to him it takes time the walking
over 25 years let me ask you this what
do you miss about gospel rap like I know
there was some stuff that was good
nothing this is a shame bro I'm trying
to yeah I'm not trying to throw fire on
anybody man not man but ask me just ask
me how many churches have not paid me
when they promised me they were gonna oh
my god or they they asked me to come
that they never did now now watch this
ask me how many clubs ya have never paid
me yeah you're right 100 percent right
how many how many mainstream festivals
in places where they're they're centered
in and they're there cover ups for drug
activity how many of those places have
never paid me and you tell me who's
loving their neighbor anyways you know
they could be dirty brother the church
folks can be dirty that was one of the
things that that showed me when I
started working with secular artists
there was pros and cons from coming from
a Christian perspective of making that
transition but when I started working
with secular artists like it was
professional versus dealing with the
church people in like your church
brothers who won't work with you because
you believe something a little bit
different and there was brothers who
like we would build in what four years
and they would get under a different
theology and they want nothing to do
with you just because they believe the
Trinity is a little bit different like
wow you guys are willing to break
fellowship over these little bitty
things that it's just apples and oranges
like it's it's not even really it's not
a big deal but you got there so if
all of us so we can't look at it like
well if you believe differently than I
do then you're wrong and I'm right
yeah it should never be that way man
it's just like oh the Lord told me it's
like a basketball player you know if
he's hanging out with you know kids that
are less sure of him like a college
player he's hanging out with high school
kids he shouldn't get mad if the guy
can't do what the college kid could do
because he don't know no better he's in
high school he's still learning yeah so
he treated like he's a high school
player instead of like a college player
looking down on him and condemning him
because he can't be 360 dunk [Â __Â ] and he
can't do the stuff that you can do it's
like a pro like LeBron James getting mad
at an elementary kid because he can't
jump at the free-throw a lot I'll break
this he can't he can't do 360 dunks but
he can he can shoot a three really good
and so no you don't and so we need to
value them for what they're good at not
like you can't 360 don't get away now
you're good at other things bro you can
you're part of the family you need it
there's a place for you but I've used
that parable man for like when people
say you know you're not supposed to cuss
I'm like well who told you that well
it's in the Bible yeah there's a lot in
the Bible is I mean I don't
and this might cause some controversy
but I don't follow the Bible I follow
Jesus there you go it's a big difference
there's a lot of stuff in the Bible if
you read it if you read it out of text
you're already screwed anyways and
that's how the majority of Christendom I
know Bible list the Bible is
Christianity but the entire first half
of the Bible Christianity didn't even
exist so there was no Christianity Jesus
is the faith behind Christianity he
wasn't even alive then oh when people
read it they're reading it from a
perspective of Christianity but
Christianity didn't even exist yeah
have to read the Bible for what it is I
read it yes God if he wants me to sit
and learn something from it but I take
every word that's in the Bible that
Jesus said those red letters to the bank
that's that's what I live well let me
ask you to that spot that's one cup
tattoos I'm an ass I know huh Bible
verses and biblical stuff so so you say
you read the Bible and you ask God what
what he would have to show you or to
teach you people having spiritual
awakenings like they don't just see God
in the Bible no more they see God in
everything right so watching a movie
going to a taking a trip
do you pray that prayer as well do you
go with that intention okay God I'm
watching this movie
teach me are you are you a student of
life does God speak to you through every
time you'll have to consciously ask it
once you already know well the Lord told
me he said I can use it a said I can use
the dirty vessel I just can't live in
one he told me that plan is day when it
came to other rappers I've seen people
get saved off with jay-z music yeah I've
seen people give their life to the Lord
off a little Wayne's music you know I've
watched it I've seen people get touched
save their lives stop killing themselves
over some satanic music because God used
the music and he used the ordeal he used
a scenario to reach those people where
they were anyways that's what he did
today he doesn't need the Bible to reach
you he doesn't need me to reach you yeah
he's like he knows every single odds and
ends you could be going and taking a
piss at a gas station and look over on
the on the on the stall and somebody's
got Jesus loves you and hasn't forgotten
about you yeah what he it doesn't matter
like how it's about God is God he is on
the throne he is God he could do
whatever he wants whenever he wants
however he wants and just
because they might not think that
Orthodox wise I might look like somebody
that's reaching people they need to open
their eyes in their heart do something
different because the church last time I
checked is in a very sick state right
now a very sick state there is so much
stuff going on inside those walls it I
know deep stuff Leah you do too
I mean you know you know wrong you know
what I'm talking about let me let me ask
you this man I want to talk about Karma
I want to talk about Karma a little bit
and you don't have to call it that but
just the idea of what's Oh from reaping
what you sow from from where you came
okay so you're getting the bat backlash
now I'm trust me I could I couldn't help
but look at the stuff I dished out over
the years people are people
I'm past it now I'm some years removed
but um that transition people were
treating me like I treated others you're
going to hell bro you're a false prophet
you're leading people astray like I've
said that about other people and I think
only I can only look back like damn this
is not mama it's the people you know me
you all my comrades my karma is having
people tell me you kicked me out of your
tattoo shop for saying the word damn I
remember that you would only do
Christian attitudes for a minute
rollin I said I'm so sorry my daughter
last night she said dad
you wouldn't let me go to a concert
because they were gonna be custom in the
concert mm-hmm you're cussing in your
music yeah
I said paradise I said your dad was very
immature then I had to learn I get it
now it's way too late I can't take it
back
there's tons of people that I literally
I'm ashamed of myself the way I used to
be crow I also hit Eve I cannot believe
the stuff that I said to people the way
that I treated people truth man it makes
me cry often man because I think about
how it was so judgmental
people would come in just mild stuff man
that didn't even it shouldn't even been
a big deal they come in and sit in the
shop and they would say [Â __Â ] and I go
hey man don't cuss in my shop
yeah kill that little wheels it would
feel so rejected yeah I'm thinking well
I'm gonna teach you some respect and in
reality they were like I'm never coming
back here ever again
mm-hmm hurts my feelings man that I did
that to people and anybody's watching
that I did that too which I'm sure there
will be people to watch this because
there's so many people talking [Â __Â ]
about me right now it's unreal bro the
church is they're going haywire on me
and that's completely cool man I don't
make this music for you so I'm not
really concerned what you say I want
these people that I'm that I know I'm
supposed to be reaching there's a way
I'll tell you this no Kelly there's a
weird place that um I got to because
there was a there was some places and it
was all social media like nobody really
pulled me to the side I'm gonna a truth
man what do you believe man what's going
on like nobody ever did that and I was
in ministry and did all the same thing
you were doing so but the social media
stuff because your life is out there
like an open book and people would reach
out and people would they would talk
[Â __Â ] like you're saying you're going to
hell you're a false prophet you're gonna
burn forever like like really you know
and you get all of that hate but then it
gets weird when it stops it does get
weird when you lay down they kind of
gave up on me at least they don't know
how to help there's some times they
trying to help that's all they know to
do it like that I'll reach out the case
and this is just honest to god it's all
I know to put this because this this is
this is what I see this is what I'm
trying to do this is what I'm trying to
reach yeah the people that are on my
pages on my videos right now screaming
trash fake false prophet former in my
ass blah blah blah they their comments
are blind to me I don't even care but
the ones that will comment on those
posts to defend you
exactly and they'll say after you you
keep your mouth shut about him
I love this guy and I love his music
it's that person right there that's the
person that relates to me that's the
person that that is is here me is alien
game that person is the definition of
what alien game is our our mission
statement
everything we are as a movement that
person right there with that after you
comment to the person who's talking bad
that's the person that belongs here and
I message those people and tell them I
accept you you have no idea bro just
from feeling accepted how these people
will cry they'll tell me
nobody's ever accepted me nobody's ever
given a [Â __Â ] about me the church should
be very very ashamed of themselves for
the way they're treating these people
these people these churches they're not
reaching these people man therefore they
forgot about these people they've
completely forgot about the same people
that they're forgiving at one time in
their life they were how can you at one
time he was on drugs doing crack doing
meth doing all this other [Â __Â ] that
you were doing before you gave your life
to God and then after you give your life
to God you forget where you came from so
all of a sudden you meet a guy who's on
crack and you don't say a word because
you got kids now and you don't want that
around your kids but at one time that
was you brother that was you on the
street corner holding a sign and people
were throwing [Â __Â ] at you when they were
driving by how little we for how quickly
forget who we were before we came to God
I will never forget the last multiple
years of my life when I been at the
bottom bro had nothing feed my kids with
change bro this is real life I went from
making six figures a year to God taking
me and pruning me cutting me at the very
bottom and growing me into this human
being who gives a [Â __Â ] about these
people truth I used to not I used to
think I was better than everybody else
yeah I think I was better than everybody
else Berlin that I was a
above people I'm not above nobody bro
and these people they need somebody to
say hey I love you and I'm here for you
and I'll be here for you if you need
somebody oh yeah cuz if we understand
like even in the church circles man like
they have the platforms in the risers
and stuff for a reason where they're up
talking down and they're like the
celebrity talk they're talking down to
people you're going out there rubbing
shoulders talking to them not talking
down at them but out there talking to
the people man I've been checking out
your videos I've been checking out the
comments and I know exactly what you're
talking about
I know the feeling man one thing I wanna
I'm gonna bring up something that uh
years ago I don't even know if you
remember this you may remember this but
you had a necklace on that had a I think
it was like a triangle with the eye in
it and it was when I was studying the
Illuminati I was like Kaley bro you
gotta take that necklace off road that's
the Illuminati man you're like no that I
represents sight the one who's able to
see and God shows us visions and you
gave me the explanation and I wasn't
hearing it I know that's demonic you
forgettin what that charm was made up of
talk a little bit about it Bri it was
three two thousand year old nails
remember yeah and it had a Widow's mite
in the center that's what it was it
looked like an eye yeah you initially
thought it was an eyeball and I
explained that would that was a Widow's
mite from the Bible and those nails were
found in Jerusalem they were three
through two thousand year old nails they
were carpenter nails and Jesus was a
carpenter and it looked like a triangle
with an eyeball in the center yeah but
it was never supposed to be there it's
funny that uh just just the symbolism
and then now I mean I've got I get I
love symbol and I love symbols and it's
you know I'm saying symbols only have
the power that you give it like when you
see the tattoos as symbols like it just
means you have to be able to read the
symbols to and they mean different
things to different people to say what
the words that come out of my mouth I
mean if you think about it yeah if yeah
dang and I said damn
they both
are one in the same they date they're
the exact same I mean there's not a
Christian word for the word damn and
that's not the word dang or you can't
say crap and you meant to say [Â __Â ] but
it means I'm saying they the same thing
they're just words they mean the same my
heart's condition in the way that I say
it they mean the same thing but
sometimes like I'll curse on here a
little bit and there's some reasons why
I try not to sometimes it's for ad
reasons like it won't monetize you if
you got a lot of cursing and stuff but
I'll curse a little bit but when I curse
its I try to it's because it's the best
word to use I want you to know how I
feel about that situation and if I and
when I tell you that Christians it's a
difference when you say then people
don't care about you
versus then people don't give up about
you right I want you to feel it they
don't know you're still in the and
you'll always be there I guess be that
way bro and there's nothing wrong with
that know that but you're still in that
religious box that you you have to
follow with the religion you have to
follow with those rules and guidelines
in order to be put into the box that
where you can be seen as a Christian I'm
literally bro I have so much freedom I'm
not concerned whether a kid a Christian
kid hears the word damn it that it's all
irrelevant to me like not I'm not in a
place where I have to I have to follow
those rules and regulations the churches
wouldn't let me be myself because they
wouldn't pay me if I said game on my
music so remember I used to say trick in
my music oh yeah I remember trigger
trigger remember what I used to did that
I'd be doing the same thing I've been
doing for years suits and you know that
the only difference is that the line
that was there is a non-existent now
there is no life isn't it isn't it isn't
it funny and you should do this bro
because I joke about this but you should
do this you should go back and rework
some of your old music I know you hate
it I know it's ugly to you but go back
a song maybe just just to show them
change the word demon for another word
cuz we used to joke about it you can you
all you got to do is I'm killing are you
I'm killing are you Dimas I'm running on
them demon with the 45 put it to it you
like that's how we're talking about dude
we're doing game that we just changed
one word if you change the word demon to
[Â __Â ] you've gotta get the wrestle got a
reworking man
got a rework your vote oh it's all about
your heart's condition it's the way you
say it yeah it's it's my heart see God's
gonna know my heart but the people
listening won't they won't know what I'm
doing and why I'm doing and how I'm
doing well they were now they will know
they will love but I'm reading the
comments here you you have no haters in
the comment section here we've got a
bunch of people watching and everybody's
like hey how do I find this music this
guy is dope
let's see there's another comment here
what's a good one that makes it look
final right quick Derrick this guy's
incredible what a powerful message in
testimony my prayers will be following
him and he has my support
like my people already know man like
they're the out these are the outcasts -
these aren't church folks watching this
podcast bro you know I got an eyeball on
my hat people tuned in and see the eye
just like when I start out with an eye
on your junk sorry bro
does the red flag man you don't I'm
saying that's not knowing symbols in the
power and what it means and that be a
person of vision so yeah
they this is something Lord just brought
to my attention right now
I don't watch this guy on TV but I know
this guy's fired on amongst the world
and you might even have a problem with
him but the Lord showed me how he is
doing with me in rap music is the exact
same way that Joel Osteen's approach to
ministry was on television a lot of
people don't like him or hear me out
there now Joel Osteen doesn't care about
what we think first of all he's doing
what God's told him to do though nobody
knows the amount of people that give the
life to God behind closed doors
underneath the table that's not on
television just because people think
that he don't use enough Bible and he
doesn't use enough doctrine and all this
other [Â __Â ] that's exactly what it is
leave the guy alone leave me alone
if I do things that you don't agree with
pray for me just like that God just said
pray for me I can promise you that I'm
the closest to God than I've ever been
and he is leading me and he's guiding me
to go to where I'm going it won't be
long and you guys are gonna hear me on
your radio stations they won't be long
you guys are gonna see me on your video
stations I'll tell you this right now
don't be surprised if you see me at the
Grammys and you see me at other outlets
like that doing what I'm doing
representing my movement on a worldwide
level and just know that I'm not my
father's business when you see me
straighten it up kaeleen let's talk
about you tattooing a little bit man
because that's a big part of your life
that's your livelihood as well
your awesome tattoo artists you've been
able to tattoo a lot of celebrities some
really cool people you tattooed Brian
Welch from corn and you in that birth to
song you did a song with him out of that
jelly roll
I think up Church the redneck I mean so
many people that catch my to me talk a
little bit about your tattooing and
stuff and some of the people you've been
able to meet in this audience
well my website is tattooing the
starz.com and you can go check out my
portfolio the people that I've been able
to meet and tattoo but my mom had a
dream I was supposed to be a tattoo
artist in 2005 and I never wanted to be
a tattooer I was a full time rapper I
was full-time for seven years in music
and my mom had that dream while at the
time I was running at auctions in my
music I traveled as far as Texas from
Tennessee selling my music all across
the United States
I was running across people on a daily
basis that had all my records like he
was Sephora I just couldn't find me many
people I signed 750,000 autographs on
streets of the United States on my own
I did and and my mom had that dream I
was looking for a way off the streets so
I pursued tattooing based on my mom's
dream and found out I had to get that I
didn't even know I had so I didn't know
that God was gonna take me down a road
where I was ministering to the mounts of
people that I've ministered to I've
stopped people from killing themselves
I've been apart five days before people
have blown their brains out and I was
the last person to ever shared God with
him ever and I've had 17 clients that's
passed away God showed me how valuable
tattooing is and how this is stuff that
people are taking to the grave this is
real talk the stuff that conversation
they have behind the the chair with me
are stuff that I don't publicize I am
going to work on a book eventually and
it'll be a book about the stories
changing the names of the people the
stories that I've had the opportunity to
listen to and be a part of their life
through tattooing but I felt this
validated with my own life because my
music had failed I felt like I felt like
my life was invalidating about through
tattooing I felt like I needed to feel
like I was important and and it bothered
me because for so long I used to get
letters in the mail from people saying
my music touched their life and now it's
a totally different ballgame people
hating on me disrespected me it's just a
totally different world for me the
tattoo business is very dark five or two
of the five top to tattoo tattoo artists
in the world are all satanic they're
Satanists and so it's very dark business
and I was this small light in the dark
place so I missed it and I figured out a
way that I could feel validated through
my tattooing was too if I tattoo a
famous person of somebody that was in
celebrity status that was going out
doing shows in front of 50,000 people on
television I felt like if I tattooed
them you know visibly that wherever they
go I would kind of go with them yeah I
feel like I'd see me on TV I'd see me an
NFL game
let's see me at a major league baseball
game I see me in a rap video so
felt like I can validate my own life the
tattooing that way so I met your head
from corn I tattoo both sides of his
face attached to one his ribs and you
guys can go to youtube and look those
videos up just type head from corn gets
tattoo and you'll see my videos meat axe
on him I've tattooed number one hip
country artist loCash Taylor Taylor
Phillips who wrote hurricane by Luke
combs I've tattooed up Church the
redneck Frazier boy who was a three 6
mafia who won an Oscar for Hustle & Flow
the drummer for the band red I've
tattooed Bubba Sparxxx I did list
American logo on Bubba Sparxxx neck I've
tattooed Kaleb plant he's a 16 and O
professional boxer who fights with
Mayweather you guys will see him soon
he's living in Vegas now him I do
identify tattoos on young Erik Walden's
starting outside linebacker for the
Titans green Superbowl champion with 3
Bay Packers number 93 I did ten tattoos
on him I've tattooed craig Campbell
who's a big big country artist it was on
tour with Luke Bryan recently I tattooed
to ban Perry
I've tattooed so many so many so many
people Kings of Leon there's just so
many so many that I've been able to that
to have the opportunity to be in my life
and Michael ray he's another number one
country artists got two or three number
one hits I tattoo him did a quarter
sleeve on his arm
Joey look and traveled on tour buses
with these artists man and now that I'm
not in the shop no more I'm completely
mobile as a tattooer my cell phone six
one five six nine to nine thirty three
nine if y'all need a tattoo I'll do
tattoo parties I'll come to your house
yes I will
get it how you live about an two nine
three three nine get how you live we got
a I post all your links in the
description as well get up we got a
phone call here just call has been on
for a while I believe I know it who it
is but a caller from Northwest Arkansas
who we speaking with aren't to use they
can't refuse y'all know this how y'all
doing today what's going on brother you
got a question for Kaylee or comment I
know you do
well well I guess first of all I just
can say alien gang
it's like love what you're doing Kaylie
it's like it's like I've been following
the movement love the music
I've been hitting me as well it's like
when I was four I was offices i was from
which is born to be lots of nurses
neglect to begin with and so i relate
they fall in the moment loving what
you're doing and i have no tattoos and
so my first tattoo is going to be an
alien gang tattoo awesome I love you
America I love you too brother it's like
that's all we gotta do we gotta spread
this love man it's no doubt well made to
do pretty nothing just stay on stay
posted me on Facebook you ever need me
you call me dude you message me I
definitely will because I know we're
friends on Facebook and I've been
sharing yourself on Instagram I just
shared your newest video today on my
Instagram account so oh thank you
brother
yeah it's like I'm enjoying this
conversation yeah it's like because I
caught calling on this podcast it always
seems to be something that's hitting me
so I always like to call in putting my
two cents yeah bro just give my
shout-out to my love pretty much you're
a part of the show to man people know
you haha so I know you bro uh-huh yeah I
just think it's funny because I I do hit
I write will call my own hit but I
mainly do a Christian spiritual a
hip-hop rap don't hate me on that you
got to do what God told you yeah that's
what it's about I don't never try to
lead people yeah I don't try to lead
people to do what I'm doing I don't
think a lot of people could do what I
did to be honest that's right I don't a
lot and I would I would discourage a lot
of Christians especially baby Christians
from doing this because there's a lot of
them that didn't make it that thought
that they would go into the world a lot
of people don't realize it but like Paul
wall used to be a Christian right
over-familiar are you Chamillionaire you
think rapper Nappy Roots used to be a
Christian rap brute Slim Thug used to be
a Chris Rock heavy Perry
Katy Perry used to be a worship leader
yeah I'm amazing Oh Katy Perry was bad a
lot of people won't be able to go where
I'm going I'm going knowing exactly what
I'm doing how I'm gonna get there
exactly let's say detailed instructions
from God and learn to do where I'm to go
what I'm to say and I'm following his
lead I'm not gonna get off that path at
all
nice another thing I want coming on was
I love how we were talking about
language because that's kinda one of the
things I like I want I don't want to
struggle with but kind of like I'm
indifferent on because like all my music
I usually don't curse I know I will I
say that held a man asked though he's
you're on curse words that some of those
are mentioned in the Bible but for the
most part I keep my music clean however
when I'm on the mic you hear you can you
get me out in public I can curse like a
sailor sometimes ah and it's just one of
the things I've been I've been
indifferent on and I honestly been
thinking about doing just one kinda like
Chris well not really a Christian song
but it would be like a very much it
would be called a excuse me for saying
that we called [Â __Â ] the devil and it
would be much of every curse word in the
book I brought up our tea I've already
been there and done that man I've
already been there done like I got
shirts that say [Â __Â ] the devil that I'm
getting printed for a lien gang and
they're gonna have a set of bones that's
in a finger now it's gonna flipping the
middle finger and incense [Â __Â ] the devil
a hashtag alien game guys well if I
decide to make this song reality Kelly
it's like if I yeah I know you say you
don't you you don't want nothing to do
with Christian or gospel rap but if I do
the song I will gladly love to feature
you on it well I would do it yeah I
wouldn't I just would have to to be
honest I've had a lot of people message
me about doing songs like that and I
just don't I have to follow God I have
to do what he tells me to do I have to I
have to be I have to be where I'm
supposed to be right now and I can't I
can't get off the path so on people hey
now undo it's only I'm a Christian
rapper I'm I said that's not it's not
where I'm at right now your sounds a
little different I would do that Alright
hundred I preach I appreciate that Carla
honey yep
love your brother y'all
alright Shalom brother oh let's go let's
give a little bit of honor man talk a
little bit about Elron bro Elrond
guitars who L rent did some guitar work
for you in the past you don't remember l
ran Lanford R in back in the non-space
myspace days no he uh he do he did the
guitars on on my version of this is how
we ride and then you had someone else
but he supposedly reached out to you to
do some more good guitars for you back
then from he might have but I don't I
don't remember all that okay yeah I
don't know he actually recorded the
guitars of my full album and he didn't
he didn't do the talk for me though song
he didn't do no guitars for you dropped
it on the world okay I thought he did
know the only the only guitars I've ever
had of my music were played on people
that were in house around me okay yeah
oh yeah he's from Tennessee I could be
wrong L ran if it's some songs with me
and you play guitar on them and I'm not
acknowledging you I okay
that's what southern I just um hey you
gotta understand bro I've I've been
married three times about to be divorced
three times I've been homeless three
times I've lost three businesses
foreclosures three free repossessions
I'm talking my life has been Hale bro to
get to this place where I understand why
I was going through all the help so
little like some I playing guitar oh my
stuff's gonna be very very did somebody
uh recently who's uh you had somebody
come into your life that played a big
role a female
some years ago I just seemed like a
change when someone came into your life
yeah well the girl that's in my life now
she's I've never met anybody like her in
my life we have the same birthday bro
that's what's up man it was absolutely
God when I met her man how long have you
guys been together I don't want to get
into how I met her and and the
circumstances I was in
you know God God knows that everything
happens the way he wants it to
he's my leader man so when stuff happens
I'm why I go what are you doing man I'll
be honest I had a lady just she just
told him my car December 20th in the
middle of us spinning 360 degrees on the
interstate bro
I had my girls hand and I said God what
are you doing what are you doing I said
we're gonna be okay guys ever less
nothing happened to us speeding on the
interstate she hit us we were doing 50
miles now bro she spun us out we're
spinning and we land sideways in the
median almost going into the other
oncoming traffic I was asking God
immediately what are you doing what are
you doing what are you doing well I
still don't know what he did there but I
know that if it was anything it was
Cynthia was to show my girl that God is
in control and no matter what happens he
will will always provide for his kids
that are on his past that always take
care of his kids he loves us man he's
not forgotten about us man and if we're
walking right we got no worries ever
he's gonna always take care of us if you
live in wrong you're scared oh you
should have creeks already man and that
would be my advice to use to quit all
that [Â __Â ] and turn it over to God
before something bad happens because you
can't you can't act like that man God
God will he loved you but he's not gonna
you know I have four six thousand
dollars drop on my pocket the day before
I needed it I was gonna get convicted of
kicked out of my place to live in bro
have people walk up and give me that
kind of money because I trust the Lord
did post it on Facebook that I needed it
just happen God's good he loves his kids
man and when you're walking right you
have his favorite bro he's gonna take
care of you hands down I had um years
ago I had a friend of mine who was like
back and forth he was an older guy but
he mentioned something about like being
careful of how you living he's like dude
he's like he's I bro have you ever
noticed when you when you're not living
right you get away from the Lord you
just try to be careful because you think
you might die I was like you saw a
smoking crack again I was like I've
never I've never done I can see where
you coming from but now I never done
believe god I've never done either I
don't I listen to what he tells me
Bronson I don't I don't do nothing else
yeah if you don't tell me to do it I
don't do it man that's just that's what
he wants all of us though he wants us
all to a place where he's the boss he's
he's the one you're turning to not a man
not a human being he wants us to turn to
him and that's what I encouraged people
that are in my movement turn to God man
give that [Â __Â ] to God bro quit doing
that [Â __Â ] it's gonna kill you give
that to God role playing them gangs man
and these people they respect that
because it's real they respect it cuz
it's love I'm giving them love they
never had before meet people where they
are absolutely into the episode man was
there anything that we didn't speak on
that you wanted to kind of touch on so
dress you think we covered everything
pretty good yeah I mean I think people
are gonna know You Know Who I am and
more about what I'm here for I'm here
for them if they feel like they're alone
they feel like they don't have nobody to
talk to
eventually guys understand I'm building
a team and eventually I'll have a team
of people that will all be people that's
been through some [Â __Â ] these guys know
they know this I got people around me
right now they used to have needles in
their veins they've been shot and
stabbed
they were gangsters I these people been
through it I got people around me that's
killed people that's killed people you
know and these people now men they're
they realize look I'm here to be a
servant these people these kids man you
don't need somebody talk to you off to
message me I'll try my best to respond
to everybody people message me all the
time I'm here for y'all I love y'all
it's a lien gang [Â __Â ] 2018 and beyond
it's on and poppin what's up bro one
last question here is they want to know
this is from Christy she wants to know
have you ever tattooed any of the
Christian artists such as seven Pyrex or
illuminated you ever run into those guys
no I've done seven but never tattooed
and he's too far away Xin Cali but Reed
might be in Texas now but now I've
talked to Pyrex and I've talked to seven
eliminate I don't know who that is but
attempted some Christian worships
leaders like I tattooed roughly who
sings with uh-oh what's the name of the
group he sings with forget he one of the
guys the main guys at Winter Jam every
year with TobyMac ok that's what's up
friggin forget there are new song new
song oh wow yeah he's the lead vocalist
for new song but I tattooed him a couple
times and his son yeah I don't well to
be honest Christians avoid me and that's
probably best because I'm not here for
them anyways that's what sir brother I'm
a weirdo bro I'm not I'm not your
typical guy I won't have much in common
with with religious people man I have
more in common with the people that are
struggling to feed their kids gonna ever
be with some religious idiot that's
gonna try to tell me I'm going to hell
I'm like take that [Â __Â ] somewhere else
now I saw you heard it from the man
himself many of you guys have your own
own opinion some people fully back what
he's doing you guys can see yourself
within him and his story I totally do
that's why I wanted to have him on he's
a good brother of mine and a lien gang
gang I figured he was he didn't say it
and he didn't promote it but I figured
he was approaching this from a ministry
minded point and he's you know why
because you know me exactly why in the
very beginning of my video my first
video that I released the words that
came across the front page it said
before you judge me you better know what
the [Â __Â ] you're talking about because if
you truly know me then you know where
I'm hitting and people like you and much
love the alter ego you guys knew me as a
human being before and you knew Kaylee's
up to something there's no way he would
turn his back on God you did it straight
I would turn okay there's no way the
scriptures say you can dude after you've
tasted the goodness of God for you to
turn your back
I knew something was I'm not dumb I'm
absolutely in close
and I'm so honored you have me on I Love
You Man I thank you for sharing the
space with me brother much much love my
success to everything that you're doing
brother you're being authentic that's
what counts man you're making a living
doing it you're having fun you're
creating things brother I pray you
continue to do it man
thank you for coming on hanging out with
him brother I love you too Shalom
Kaleigh ladies and gentlemen we go back
man I got like I said I started
listening to Kaylee stuff in like 2003
maybe I want to pinpoint it maybe 2003
checking out his stuff so he was doing
it early so I got it I got involved with
Christian music a lot later but very
similar stories and I see myself in his
story and some of the things that I've
dealt with coming out of religion to to
be who God called me to be and in that
journey people people lash out and he's
definitely going through that right now
and uh hopefully you can hear a lot of
my early interviews when I did a lot of
podcasts they sound a lot like Kaylee's
like it was a lot and I still talk about
it now
but early on it was a big thing like I'm
talking talking about the church realm
and how they talked about me and how
this and that and it was a big part of
my life and it still is but um you got
to eventually get to the part where
you're like you don't have to address
that anymore you can kind of move past
it and it's big and it's big for a lot
of you guys who've come out of religion
and come out of some type of system of
control or bondage or you had to be
taught to perform and be somebody that
you're not that's that's big for you to
find out like I said in the last show
the two biggest days in a person's life
is the day that they were born and the
day that they find out why they were
born once you find out why you're put
here Kaylee's approach is different my
approach is different
I'm ministry minded to you guys know
that but if you let the other people
tell it they'll tell you that we worship
the devil on this podcast they tell you
all kind of stuff you know what I'm
saying I've heard I've heard it all I've
heard it all so
you got so I'm glad that I gave him the
platform to come on air and kind of
speak his mind and kind of for those who
care they'll watch the interview for
those who don't care they don't matter
anyway but it's like hey people want you
to hear your heart all you do is share
this interview with them do why are you
doing this bro what happened here what's
the interview gave you almost you know
an hour and 20 minutes worth of
explanations about why I'm doing what
I'm doing and what happened and when
pitfalls to look out for you know you
got to learn from everybody's mistakes
you got to learn from everybody
successes to what's working for people
obviously he's seen that that's working
doing Christian music gospel music he
had to kind of force his way into an
audience and most people ain't gonna
listen to a white corny rapper and then
on top of that a white corny Christian
rapper you know how many know how hard
it is to break that stereotype and uh
Kaylee's trying to do that and I don't I
don't think that he has negated the
gospel I don't think that he's turned
his back on God I think he I think I
believe this for everybody right now
Kayleigh is exactly where he's supposed
to be Kayleigh is exactly where he's
supposed to be right now love him he
needs me I'm here and the same thing
goes for all of you guys whatever you're
going through man the darkness the
trials if your own if you own the
mountaintop or you're going down to the
valley there's something there's
something there for you to learn man
there's peace and there's grace that's
available for you no matter where you
are and I've learned that if we want to
get to the next level we have to be
faithful with the things that God has
put in our laps and what he's trying to
show us and so that's that's what it's
about learning from everything around us
learning from what's going on and trying
to get to the next level to become a
better person to a sin a sin spiritually
make it to the next level so that we can
help people it's not about bragging
rights it's not about ego I mean I
wanted to talk to him a little bit about
that but a lot of the early Christian
rappers like ego driven and even now in
the in the Christian genre and I've
touched on this with a few other
Christian rappers I've had on here I've
had a lot of Christian rappers on here
so I come from but it gives a false
sense of hope doing gospel music and
I'll tell you why so doing Christian rap
when you go to a church and you perform
and I know this is a funny way for
having this conversation guys oh my god
but when you go to a church to perform
you find out that everybody's a rapper
my uncle raps they got a 40 year old
rapper 60 year old rapper like everybody
everybody raps and they let him get up
there on the stage
some people rehearse some people are
really good at it but they let the
people who the people who suck get up
there random dude hey let me rap they
let him up there and when he's done they
give him a standing ovation and that's
not good
you given this guy a false sense of hope
a false sense of security because in his
head as I think the whole congregation
stood up and applauded me I might have a
future in this let me sign up for next
week and and you have people who are
doing it who aren't called to do it and
you've given him this false sense of
hope versus like a bro stick to your day
job tell him the truth the world's
telling them the truth while won't the
church tell him the truth well he might
be called to it brother you don't know
that tell these people to choose man
it's it's not good I was one of the big
things that's seen in and in Christian
music and um and then even people
telling me I've had people on the other
hand tell me that that I wasn't called
to do it because I knew I do graphic art
and I'm good at websites and videos and
stuff and it like man I've had people
say truth you know you're not maybe
called to do music
maybe you just call to help people who
do music and do websites and stuff but
that was years ago
I think my music and catalog speaks for
itself at this point so thank you guys
for hanging out with me we've been live
for like four hours almost now so cool
hanging out with everybody everybody's
still going strong in the chatroom just
quick roll call Chris it's not truth you
a rapper bro no doubt man thank you
Chris
Adam Joshua Christy in her 5xe if you're
still watching he has a question for
jordan maxwell about charles fort wants
me to ask him next time call in utilize
these phone lines man i have to have to
go through a little trouble to connect
them but they're there so that people
can call him indigo SETI alkie pixie
Forrest
Kenny ride out my brother's back and
Kenny's makes it good good Kenny makes a
good argument here because he's talking
about cursing and not being offended the
cursing he's like I'm not afraid to
curse in front of kids and but then he
says talking about Kaylie was talking
about checking people who cursed in his
a tattoo shop and Kenny says yeah but
don't curse in front of my babies for
real LOL no doubt don't don't curse in
front of the little ones and with that
being said i told one of them one of my
friends here Matt who Matt watches this
show with his kids Matt laning he
watches this with his daughter Chloe and
she sings the intro
she mouths the words to it and he
watches this with his daughter so I made
sure I put in here so hey this guy he
made curse a little bit more so be
warned if your little your daughters and
you're on the bed with your daughter
watching the show and you know he's uh
you know all these f-bombs you know I'm
saying so that should be up to the
discretion of the parent to do that so I
wanted to make sure I made that known
there in the chat room so cool and then
again they're really YouTube's worried
about letting you monetize anything were
cursing in it or even controversial
topics it's insane what's happening
right now so like I said thank you guys
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mean it from the bottom of my heart
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Christy yeah happy birthday thank you
Christy says can I use PayPal or prepaid
you can use PayPal I use PayPal for
almost everything Chris said he's gonna
buy the CD as well lol ready for the
seer album no doubt that's the next
album can't wait to get on patron says
Christy I'm not making excuses but
working a factory making 300 a week is
tough I believe that I believe that
prophecy yesterday was for me a new job
on the way amen
with you I believe with you know it is
hard man and you know I've been there
where five dollars a month seems like a
lot like it's a huge commitment
oh god father how much five dollars a
month
oh my goodness how am I gonna pay this I
can't commit not that it was a problem
of coming up with five dollars a month
but that was just a fear of commitment
on top of the other bills and trying to
add instead of I have patrons and stuff
that I support as well but I understand
and you just get to a place where you're
able to to do that but I tell you what
stepping out in faith man five dollars a
month should not be a problem for any of
us
it's it should not be a problem we
should we should have more than enough
that we should be doing what we love for
a living all that good stuff that's what
we're about like all these principles
these interviews are trying to hopefully
formulate a way that inspires you to do
that and I'm doing it because of you
guys me I don't make a lot of money on
the music it's on it's to support guys
like I like people don't buy music
anymore it is straight through patreon
so I thank you god I could not do it
like I have to buy beats I have to pay
people to make beats I don't do that
there's no way that I could do it at
this point and I haven't released an
album since 2015
and it's 2018 and so now like the
supports coming out the woodwork you
guys are putting your money where your
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support and it's not about everybody
give him five dollars a month like I
said I got 14 thousand followers on
Facebook if everybody gave a dollar but
that's not the case man I have people
who give 50 and 100 bucks a month
because they believe in what I do I'm
blown away by that I really am I'm blown
away that that people still buy my music
they love it I'm still in that
elementary mindset of being grateful and
have that gratitude that man my work and
my art speaks to people so much that
they're willing to spend their
hard-earned money to purchasing an album
that's awesome so when I say thank you
guys for supporting and enabling me to
do this I really mean it
I do we I don't make a lot of money I'm
trying this is I'm trying man
like all I'm doing is trying you know
trying to do this full-time and uh we'll
hope to to do it I believe we're gonna
do it there's that doubt there I can't
lie to you there's always that doubt to
6:00 in and it's like or you gonna have
to go get another job and you can't live
off of a pipe dream trust me doubt
creeps into me too but uh so with that
being said thank you guys man bottom of
my heart I love y'all 2018 it's all year
let's get it god bless you know what I
want to pray I mean I didn't pray this
episode we prayed I don't think I pray
the last episode either but um many
people look forward to the prayer at the
end of the show like that's their that's
the fast-forward to the prayer you know
what I'm saying it was funny I talked
about it yesterday that somebody was
watching the Jordan Maxwell interview
that I did and and that that show is not
about prayer that show was not really
about spirituality I try to believe some
topics in there but they don't really
stick so it's kind of a hard episode to
listen to and then at the end I prayed I
got a message from somebody who was
listening to that
and out the blue I prayed they said the
Holy Spirit fell upon them they started
to cry he started to weep during a
prayer at the end of an episode about
aliens I like I like the subject matter
they started to cry you know in God and
God met them there one thing they were
listening to a podcast and he was not
expecting it listening to the Jordan
Maxwell podcast so I'm gonna pray right
now god I thank you for your grace god I
thank you for your love that enables us
and empowers us to be witnesses for you
God God you said you give us power to be
witnesses God and that power is
miracle-working power God wonder-working
power Lord to go out God and be bold for
you to see change in our communities to
see change in our own lives and the
lives of our families and those around
us God you said from Judea Samaria and
then to the ends of the earth god I pray
that we'll have change within our own
homes in our own household and then it
is just
go to the next level we'll see change on
the job site
we'll see changing the communities and
then to the ends of the earth as well
god that change starts with us god I
thank you for the work that you're doing
in our hearts I think you that you're so
beautiful I think that you never gave up
on us even when man has given up on us
and women have have given up on us you
never gave up you've always been there
you said you a friend that sticks closer
than a brother and I believe you got I
thank you for your promises are yes and
amen I thank you that you have plans to
bless us and to prosper us God and and
hopes for a bright future for every
single one of us listening to this guy I
thank you for that ask you to bless each
and every person right now whatever they
need whatever they're going through if
it's sickness in their body god I'm
asking for peace right now if it's
sickness in their mind God if if their
mind is playing tricks on them if they
just have anxiety restlessness
hopelessness I speak peace in Jesus name
thank you for your love thank you for
your grace God encounter these people
Lord let them be able to encounter you
God give them a song lift up their
countenance I pray in Jesus mighty name
God we love you amen
thank you guys hello
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