WHAT IS A CHRISTIAN WITCH? | Jesus, Spirituality and The Occult | Calvin Witcher

WHAT IS A CHRISTIAN WITCH? | Jesus, Spirituality and The Occult | Calvin Witcher
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the name may be speaks for itself
Calvin Witcher the Christian witch like
is that is that your real last name
welcome to the show man well thank you
so much beloved I am so happy to be here
really appreciate it and I know we're
live right now so think you're going
that's watching and participating live
or watching the replay or listening to
the replay thanks so much we thoroughly
appreciate you you know what I get that
question literally every I mean every
facet of the competition
yes Witcher is my real name it's a birth
name in so many different ways but yeah
which is actually my real birth given
name that's awesome
um I just want to tie this in not that I
believe it in this case but I remember
years ago when I was like we were like
exposing the prosperity gospel in the
church right the whole name it and claim
it I mean you know creflo dollar dancing
on money it gets really crazy when you
go deep into that but um I
number like rebuking that in front of
like some friends and stuff and they
were like you know what God called
creflo dollar to teach this he even
named his last name dollar so it just
kind of grew into the name so I was like
okay if you believed if that's if that's
how you vouch for that
what but you kind of grow into the name
I mean there's some there's some
spiritual or you know Hebraic
significance there with the last name
right how those things worked out to me
I do feel like it's been a almost a
point of living into the destiny yeah my
name and especially we study 80 points
points of mysticism especially Jewish
mysticism names are extremely important
I was actually teach on a class this
past weekend about names and their
significance and I talked about the
three deaths and a lot of Mexican
traditions something real and other
forms where they say the three deaths
the last step is when your name is
forgotten in the earth and so ya have
failed over the years that I've learned
to love it is the term of endearment and
especially you know the the root meaning
of it it's it's very special to me now
okay so the whole Christian witch thing
you know what before we dive into that
let's just get some background about who
you are what you bring to the table and
there won't unpack the question which
terms and stuff like that so absolutely
absolutely so is actually it's so funny
because I actually technically don't
really even go by Christian which
exactly and I'll say this probably I
probably have a lot more Christian than
a lot of other Christians that own the
title very much like you I'm listening
to you talk and we brought it we ever
really even spoken like I don't know
what you do I mean you reach out for you
know to connect and that's about it this
is literally the first time we've
discussed this but I'll pick you up
Christian very very long story short on
one side my grandmother was Pentecostal
Holiness on the other side my mom and
friends and family were Baptist so I
grew up on two sides like I just called
it
the cost of because it was a lot easier
and really did every position throughout
the Christian Church in in the south so
I was a minister of music I played the
piano I was the choir director at one
point I was the youth president
officially went into the space of
ministry where I was an associate
minister at the pastor at one point
working through ordination oh gosh what
else I was a house prophet what they
called it into the c22 churches which is
pretty much a fancy title to say that
they recognized you as a prophet and
whenever you come into a church it
wasn't really by accident and you were
kind of designed to speak what God was
saying in that particular moment and so
I've been immersed in it I've been the
seminary through that process of time
and so I've kind of I was one of those
people that I was deep in it it wasn't
there like I went to church you know
three times a year or Christmas Easter
and all the hug holidays I was in it and
she kind of be where I am right now it's
a very interesting dynamic I I go back
prophet people know me by that and
that's been just kind of my whole
journey there and now I mean gosh I do
so many different things
I still love Jesus and I always like to
say that love Jesus love the Christ
which to me are different entities we
can talk about that as probably and I
also teach from a lot of different other
paradigms I teach mysticism I teach the
occult
I teach witchcraft I teach sorcery I
also teach the scriptures
quite often actually instead of a lot of
my conversations pause from the
scripture yeah um anyone in the occult
or the mystic traditions that actually
studying knows that a lot of these
traditions come from the Scriptures
anyway they're using the Kabbalah and
the Gnostic texts and all of which is
really stemming from the scriptures
yeah and I always say this to describe
what the Bible is not a Christian book
which people sometimes get up and arms
about that but it's not it's a you know
what you wish for
to be for the Jewish people about the
Jewish life and the Jewish path of
Christianity spawn from there but also
that our dear Muslim brothers and
sisters as well which absolutely I love
them too and so when you start to
unravel the history of the Bible you
know you understand the dynamic of it
it's full of astrology and other faiths
and Egyptology and other cultures if I I
kind of read the Bible like the United
States is kind of this melting pot of
different nationalities and experiences
so it's almost hard to define what the
United States is other than it's an
eclectic what does that play into that
though if the Bible's already was drop
[Laughter]
before someone misquote so we don't have
to go deeper in the jump I was just
making a joke so this is you've got a
marginalize the audience man do not not
go ahead still would not vote for him
but two perspectives on this one when
someone is my leader president and
they're at the helm
they have my sword pastor they have my
respect they have my honor from the
place of the position I do believe that
the position is extremely powerful
especially on a global united front you
know that's what and so he is my
president nail although I may not like
the Joker know - I believe that any
leadership well I mean even the
Scriptures talk about that God sets up
kings and removes kings and you know
that even in position in office there's
some divine order and placement there I
feel that as a prophet we have the
luxury and probably the consequence of
looking beyond the surface instigation
and the marginalization of a situation
to say okay one of the good things about
Trump the good things Marshall is he is
Marshall marginalizing people
it's a polarizing entity he's bringing
to the surface things that I say are not
new
things that have always been there which
then puts it back on us to say what are
we as to buy beans as social just as
people as activists what are we doing
about this it brings to light kind of
our personal responsibility to show up
in a greater level I will say from a
mystic or a cult standpoint Trump
represents the demonic aspect of us
which is to say we have that angel or
good side of us quote-unquote he's that
he said he's that voice in your head
that says just reach over there and grab
her do take what you want
almost you don't say it's a domestic
standpoint that is unfiltered
unfeathered it's without restraint it's
it's very primal in that we send that
tweet you know that's weak but here's
the reality about this do you know how
many people actually need or should live
their life in that space of don't live
as a people pleaser don't live under the
ground of nation a judgment of other
you're not living your best life because
you're so focused on how other people
are going to receive you yeah I can
appreciate about that that about the
Trump ISM and I can say you know what
yeah a lot of us need to live our more
authentic life and if Trump can be do
that and honestly be an [Â __Â ] and to
be you know demonstrative right at the
president how much more should you live
your life in truth I can get that yeah
some type of you know position that we
see that it's like a dignitary position
that only upstanding godly men it was
funny seeing him run with the
Republicans and did him learning what
the hell Christianity was getting you
know groups of people
okay Corinthians okay pray over me what
is this what are you doing you know that
was a weird experience almost like a
monkey like being pushed in there with
all the church people did you see that
Paul Hawaii and all those people praying
for him and he's our president that was
a really weird experience to see that
because he had no idea any any of that
realm that we know we know the Christian
realm laying on of hands and praying and
prophesying and stuff that was a real
weird experienced it to watch you know I
love about that because I've said this
before not been on podcast where people
don't like my positioning religiously
spiritually and we just find out I enjoy
the conversations I'm not talking about
that to in a little bit but keep going
absolutely and you have made for as long
as you you need me to so I'm not on a
time constraint so just FYI on that
great all right because I felt it really
highlighted a lot of the state of the
church and I give I can say this because
I came out of the church I was in the
church I feel like I'm still a part of
the church although I'm part of the
coming to animal part of all the world
so that I like the sacred and the
secular as far as officer kind of
mysterious so I think it highlighted
really a majority of a majority of the
church which is to say a lot of church
people don't know their scriptures a lot
of people go by the title and don't read
their Bible a lot of people only show up
on high we call them high holy holidays
- so what and one since I asked well
what actually is the problem here
because there are parishioners that are
doing that exactly the way he's doing it
I mean most people could tell you if
Corinthians is in the Old Testament or
the New Testament they continue as
acharya if the book of Hezekiah you know
Old Testament what book is that I
couldn't tell you that how many books
are in the Bible
you know most will continue what the
Apocrypha is so it in that sense I mean
I go and even deeper what's the
difference between policies and
Mithraism how is that you know in
connection with Christianity was Paul
actually an apostle you know how is he I
mean so when we go actually deeper into
the study and bringing up the scriptures
truck rubbers is actually a lot of where
a lot of Christians that I have
connected with and continually me which
is you don't know your scriptures one
just Trump knows the scripture so why
are we or we are upset about is we're
upset about the representation of how if
they'll in the spotlight and it's
highlighting you guys kind of need to
get it together or like couple dollar
you know what is he [Â __Â ]
or pastor I'm not sure but it's highly
dynamic
you need to take care of your people and
your community is suffering you're you
have homeless people in your church you
have people that can't be there feels in
their church and so you're talking about
one aspect of religion or spirituality
highlights another and you know with us
it's a hermetic law as the law of
polarity so that's not a bad thing it's
just highlighting some points of focus
per se yeah so I like the guy personally
yeah yeah that's great man because you
could you can you can draw out so much
symbol as a man of what he represents
and where we are today as a people with
him all that being the leader let's go
back I want to unpack your story a
little bit so what was that
that um transition from being a prophet
moving in a prophetic in the church
realm speaking Christianese all of this
kind of stuff you know Peter Jesus Freak
whatever and then transitioning into
witchcraft the occult just other things
that are known as taboo like what was
that that that thing that pushed you
over the edge was it a bunch of little
bitty encounters was it studying some
material you were told to stay away from
what was it that kind of helped you make
that transition out of the church or
what would my friend I love it all the
above what you just say it I here's the
interesting thing about this and I've
said this before I'm gonna say the
scripture I'm gonna give context for it
I've told people that John 3:16 you can
quote it and it's great for God so loved
the world that He gave His only begotten
Son who shall believe in him showed our
perish but have everlasting life King
James Burgess John 3:16 is quite
different when you experience your John
3:16 moment when you feel born again
with me this was an easy transition
because I never felt like it was
different a different experience other
who I was or my destiny space
I had these experiences when I was in
the church so I had issues where my band
was levitating I had issues I'm able to
prophetic song I knew things before they
happen
I have situations where someone's arch
or grandmother would you know be talking
to me or I would see them
here and sometimes visually seeing them
and then I would get connected with that
person at school or later and I would
say hey you know your grandmother was
telling me this yada yada yada and they
were like oh my grandmother passed like
12 hours ago
at the same time 'but they appear to me
I also have my nose experiences and the
challenge was I didn't have anywhere to
unpack it and so it wasn't something I
ever instigated quota Paul so I said
like I was just born that I got it was
innate for me it was each day I really
sought to you know find the purpose of
it within the Christian context
traditionally speaking so I was reading
books like dirt treads and you know he
came to set the captives free Rebecca
brown I'll tell you I was knee-deep into
that because I was like I need to study
Angela gee demonology because I needed
to find these spirits and and I was
taught that he's are wrong you don't
talk to the day at that necromancy
witchity it's not a necromancer but
that's the way it was always taught and
so I learned to kind of not dive into it
as deep from a place of theological fear
but not from a place of personal fear
because I'd never was afraid it just was
a literally an experience like I'm
talking to you right now and so tried to
reconcile it try to avoid it at all cost
and it just kept getting stronger deeper
and more into it so what I did do I said
well let me let me do this and this is
actually for my my direct transition
into it I say well let me start studying
a lot of the congruent philosophies that
are within the scriptures you know we
talked about the Jews let me study
Judaism
yeah well Judaism led me into mysticism
which led me into Kabbalah which led me
into not Gnosticism and then I said well
we're always talking about Abraham and
Isaac and Jacob and then that kind of
got into you know the Muslims and the
Quran and I started study in that
perspective and undoubtedly always and
you can't really study the
without getting into astrology and a lot
of other things as well so I started
learning about this shot of pieces
together and literally for the first
time I was like oh oh okay so my
experiences are not matching up with the
theology and ideology and the problem
was I grew up in a very very very
spiritual community but I saw people got
that got healed of diseases I mean I was
in the hospital with them when they got
diagnosed with stage 4 cancer we prayed
for them lay hands on them and I'm in
the hospital with these people and the
doctors saying I don't know what a
cancer man I saw people who were blind
and eyes literally get you know you know
well yeah so to me the miraculous was
like almost a common day occurrence I he
came natural to me I grew up with people
speaking in tongues and in my mind I
would start to hear like okay they just
say boom boom boom if there's someone
else in the church was stand up and
interpret exactly what I was thinking
and so to me it was not weird to have
these experiences I just didn't have the
understanding of it so I always say that
like this was not nothing new to me
I just didn't have the teaching the
understanding of it so when I
fast-tracking the story I was in March
2002 2003 timeframe I got connected with
another prophet I moved to South
Carolina to sort of international
ministry of prayer ministry with her we
had a whole building we just purchased
the whole nine yards I was gonna live at
her house well everybody knows to me
during that time someone that had
followed my ministry into Tennessee he
had a secret crush on me I didn't know
about it you know which people would
argue like you're a prophet you should
kind of know this it's like fighting
everything I know everything you should
know everything like how to heal that
you missed that but I did you know yeah
I'm married I have a husband we've been
together for 15 years we have four kids
at the time I was actually pseudo
engaged with someone first we loved her
dearly she's for my ministry nail
and I what happened was he kind of
spilled the beans kind of came out had a
come-to-jesus session
I got grouped by association with him
then I was quite a cool game and so
literally the the know it hit the fan at
that point and word got around and like
you know speaking engagements stopped in
the whole nine yard I had to start over
yeah and I made a promise at that time
and it was two things I said one god I
am never going to do to others what was
there to meet a man and I hold that very
seriously to the same I don't care we
disagree
okay I'm gonna like you I don't care if
I hate you and vice versa
even a disagreement we can find some
levels of discernment to find some
commonality we don't have to agree and
that's okay
and quite honestly and I'll say this a
lot we only start disagreements with
information that we have or at least we
think we have we are surrounded by
people all day long that you don't know
anything about them you don't know your
doctor you don't know the cashier at the
at your grocery store the person that
serves you as a waitress you don't know
everything about their life they could
be a Satanist the Luciferian they could
be Buddhists the coaches they can be
Christian they could be a lot of
different things they could be a child
molester as far as you're concerned you
have no idea but it's only when we have
information about people that we feel
that it gives us the authority and some
kind of divine right to ban criticize
I've heard people and they do a lot of
those things I'm not saying people
should not hold fast to their faith no
please do that I'm just saying that when
you have information about someone it
doesn't give you some weird interesting
right to then stir up dissension with
people and so that's my plug for all the
stuff so that was one thing I said and
then I said you know what since I get
you start over not that I have to but
since I get you I'm gonna do this walk
exactly like I want to and completely
authentic to me because it was in one
sense it was almost like this slow death
that occurred because I want in I know
who I was I knew who I was and then on
the other hand I had a lot of the noise
around me telling me what you shouldn't
think that you should
don't read those books because it's
gonna open up doorways and gateways and
channels as severe isn't gonna close it
yeah it's fine dude it didn't even that
D or the people that are talking to me
about watch those demons you've never
been around a demon because I also won't
possess I have I have seen literally you
know it was one experience that I talk
about sometimes we're out there was this
we went to this exorcism and it was to
wrong back country Baptist preachers you
know that I'm really muscular be you
know what there's this possession of
this girl she had to be seven maybe Wow
six seven years old that little girl
possessed pick those two grown man up
and these are 40 50 year old grown man
easily weighing two to three hundred
pounds each picks them up throw them
back against the wall those experience
I've seen levitation I so it's funny
even work with in that space nail angels
and demons it's not something then it's
ideological to me it's something that
I've actually experienced and so I had
literally found that most people that I
warned against talking about demons and
angels they've never experienced it ever
people that talk about all I talked to
the arcane just know you don't we
continue thing to because we're seeing
this a lot so any type of content you
put out I mean you get a lot of backlash
I get a lot of backlash right everybody
gets a lot of backlash if you do a video
you're gonna you're gonna hear all these
testimonies about people who came out of
witchcraft and how it was crazy but
guess what you can go to youtube and we
can watch thousands of videos of people
who left Christianity and how it was
demonic and how they were oppressed and
how they were molested and all of these
reasons and it goes for everything I
talk about you know the Kundalini
wouldn't talk about Eastern mysticism
why I left Eastern mysticism and why I
came to Jesus and then you're gonna hear
testimonies of why I left Jesus and came
to mysticism and it's all relative to
that person and that's what we're
getting people are having their own
encounters and it's kind of critiqued to
them and they've experienced
different things some good some bad yes
there's warnings yes be careful
but then there's Liberty as well so it
to just say like okay this is it and
this is how you do it
Christianity is the biggest one we I
know you were talking about it just what
20 was I don't even know the number
anymore twenty seven thousand different
denomination four thousand I don't even
know I've heard so many numbers but yeah
and all critiqued to their liking and I
was thinking about earlier because I was
listening to the interview with you and
Valerie that that you guys recently did
and and you were talking about how you
were on this podcast or or show and I
want you to go into some more detail
with this I don't know who the guy was
but had you on as a guest
Bob do go what was it as a Christian
interview apologetics okay so he wanted
he wanted to he wanted to debate you
guys on the Christian which staying and
how thou shalt not suffer he had all the
scriptures lined up which a lot of
people listening have the scriptures
lined up their mind goes to thou shalt
not suffer with which to live there
shall be found
you know nowhere among you anyone who
causes their children to pass through
the fire and practice necromancy and
divination divination is one I'm big on
I just did a beautiful video unpacking
Christian divination right and so
everybody has these scriptures they hear
the word divination they think
witchcraft they think demons and those
scriptures but you were talking about
just going forward three more chapters
in Deuteronomy it says if your kid is
rebellious if your son is you know yes
it's thought if he's a drunkard take
your kid to the elders and we're gonna
kill your kid yes was a this was the
this was the Jim saying the law in the
in the scriptures fold it right by the
one about the whole necromancy and the
whole mediums and stuff like that
so we pick and choose it's detailed for
us we all do we have to admit it it
would you know saying we would be
foolish to say that we didn't and it
because we'll quote the scriptures we
tie into the scriptures they hate that
they'd rather it's just
descriptions alone we tie you to the
scriptures and say what you guys are
picking and choosing what to believe
hell we all do every single one of us
without even knowing it right absolutely
and thank you so much for mission there
because that's one of the things I said
because he did it I thought like
shotgunning he's like boom boom boom
boom
and the challenge is that may work for
people that don't know the Scriptures
which I don't even give you that there
are a lot of people in the occult in
mysticism that don't know their stuff so
arguably there's a lot of Christians
that don't know their stuff I am NOT
that person I'm a study here I just in
synagogue under rabbinic teaching
repeating teaching I'm knee-deep in this
clue I went to seminary and I read my
script just not every day but quite
often
I mean I'm deep into it and so I know
literally all those scripts that have
been used and so he mentioned that
Scripture I said we'll go flip over to
chapter I said the same thing and then
I'll say well here's the other thing too
you don't maybe back passes are out
there Proverbs 23 and I believe as far
as to say is and put them back to your
throat if you're giving over to gluttony
bashing or fat shaming it is to say that
if we actually went through the
scriptures live I live none of us would
survive that's just truth and that's
what Jesus comes in right almost like
was it free mr. Comley know me there was
a whole movie called lino meat yeah very
very good there's this one portion I
can't think of the the actor really
really Hardy Freeman more difficulty -
yeah yeah and he takes this boy up to
the top of the the roof and he says jump
you know you're gonna kill yourself do
it expeditiously that's a lot of how the
scriptures are we're getting a glimpse
into conversations and stories with
people and someone is writing that down
and then 10 years 20 years 2,000 years
later so we're gonna pick up this book
and say well you know what leaders
should take their people up to the
tallest building and encourage them to
jump off and see where they're coming
really lies and they should say worried
about work you're taking to completely
out of context where we're seeing a
story that happened a long time ago and
if you don't understand the nature of
when it's been seeing you all become a
huge radical and phonetic like like it's
nobody else's business so you got to
take a lot of that into context and yeah
it's just interesting just say beliefs
when people are talking now is that
everyone no I'm gonna go back to so with
Bob did go enough said this to him
unapologetically because I'm just Aries
I'm Type A personality and I don't
sugarcoat things and I also don't
sugarcoat it because there are a lot of
people that are in our communities I'm
in so many different communities but
that can't stand up for themselves that
don't know how to articulate what they
believe and be able to combat that level
of foolishness so I feel like I also
stand for their Mississippi yeah I said
you know more now yeah so I'll do that
unapologetically because you're doing
this to somebody else and these people
are thinking about committing suicide
yeah and jumping off a building and
already getting their crazy yeah and
going crazy and that won't happen with
my people and so would that be insane so
Bob Duke old you know we agreed to the
interview which is great I love it and
we it's sort of obvious we were supposed
to just have a conversation to see what
you believe eccentric such a way to turn
it to that it turned into a corner of
the scriptures and shotgunning the
scriptures and Eva says well what do you
think about this what do you think about
this you can't believe this because the
script to say this I said well if you
wanted a dialogue and a debate you
should have prepared us for that because
we can't even do that in 30 minutes I
said if you were actually gonna be
appropriate with this you should have
given us about a month and you should
have said these are the scriptures we're
gonna talk about and I would love to
know your perspective on it I'm gonna
give my perspective on it and that's how
would be a logical debate I love that
and I say that's unheard of I have to
have a podcast interview right now that
is like good Bob to go and I know where
they stand and they've been extremely
professional with it they said listen
cordial and they say we're gonna get a
list of scriptures together
topics together that we'd like to
discuss we're going to give you them
around this stage we want you to be
fully prepared we want to have a
conversation based upon that obviously
we can hear all of it but we don't want
you to be blindsided and that was
without them ever knowing about the Bob
g-code show they did that because they
want it to be an intellectual
conversation or that quality law but you
can't quote scriptures around me and
then think we're gonna back down and say
well you know like people talk about
hail all the time here does not exist in
the scriptures we can talk about it we
can make something up but it just
doesn't exist christian divination is a
thing you mentioned that yeah that's a
lot of christian divination that happens
laying on of hands speaking out in
tongues like in the vlogs
yeah you know I'm not opposed to that I
still speak in tongues to this day I
still lay hands on people
I still what else I know what you told I
still do that I actually I did a whole
workshop of teaching in our mission
school recently on how to do sorcery
with the scriptures yeah so I'm actually
not opposed to that I'll use that quite
often yeah the thing to think the thing
that led me to your work you and I know
it's Valerie that kind of heads it up
but the whole Christian which stance
which was you know
yeah like other people were taking it
and responding it and reposting and
stuff and I'm like hey let me see what
they're talking about the Christian
witch and we got a lot of people
watching right now and it's because of
the Christian witch thing right so it's
a good way to kind of you know find
those people on the outskirts maybe even
for the witches to introduce them to the
Christ as well like there's a bridge on
both sides so what does that name mean
to you because that's what caught me the
Christian wish thing I was led to your
work Valerie's as well I loved it I'm
with you let's do it
what does that mean to be a Christian
which and I know that's not your title
you don't do that but you would just add
a conference that was you know when you
say that - because I don't necessarily
classify neither but other people would
or they probably would take the
Christian off and just say witch
but here's what what it is is I view it
almost like Jesus asking his disciples
whom do men say that I have and so since
I know that that is something that
people say about me I will engage in
that conversation into the conversation
Reverend ballad is a very dear friend
and she's passionate about what she does
and she has a heart for people she has a
heart for this community
hands down I also know that behind the
same story and she openly talks about
this I'm not sharing confidential
information where this was something
that just came out and through her
spirit and her essence and anyone
especially a spirituality and the faith
community that is on the front line
Buddhist Hindu you know agnostic atheist
whatever else if you're out there in a
sense really helping to better other
people you have my commitment and I say
that all the time
hand sail like for instance we're just
talking and I feel like you know you're
out there with the front lines to it I'm
gonna listen you let me know whatever
you need I don't even care what the
cloud is I can still work within that
framework and own it and so that's kind
of been the nature of it yeah probably I
say that listen I talk about the
scriptures all the time I don't think
that makes me Jewish I don't think it
makes me a Kabbalistic it doesn't make
me Muslim although the Muslims also pull
from the scriptures and I don't believe
that that makes me Christian also I
think Christians at one is that name
started as a demeaning characteristic
slur it was a slur right collect oh well
I was going to say some like calling
people the n-word right you could own it
now but it's still kind of sought as a
derogatory thing so that's one - yeah it
produces a lot of feelings around the
term when you say Christian because
people feel like they own Christ and
they own Jesus with me if I want to all
the term Christian which here's how I
look at it one Christ is not even a name
so this is where I give it to so many
conversation with Christians because I'm
like you
even know your own scriptures you don't
even know your own person Jesus is his
name
I'd say we want to say he had a last
name they would have prominently in that
time it'd probably be like being Joseph
your last name right because they would
have attached it to his father Christ is
not his last name
Christ is the position the power he
operated subscribe much like why the
apostle elijah the prophet how to get
around other than say well the whole
christian context is actually based off
of a lot of misinformation know christ
it was actually well for many many moons
prior to christianity come in the
forefront and actually was under the the
term christ you know a lots of
price-conscious as we talked about this
our Buddhist friends say Buddhahood
Bodhisattvas and so different names
another sex but the energy remains the
same which is the one that is anointed
to carry out the test when it is annoyed
chin under the auspices of the divine as
God's message if that's what the Christ
is I happily take that one because I
view a prophet like that I am willingly
the messenger of the divine so that fits
which is so funny because I laugh at
this all the time which is an old of
Gaelic own a word that actually means
wise and so even witchcraft just means
the craft of the wise that's it
and so it's so funny when you start to
learn words and understand the anthem
ology the history in the context being a
pendant almost becomes it just doesn't
even become an option at some point so
for me I look at it like this Christian
which is someone that is able to
understand the magic that is in 8th in
everything very much like the Leo rendus
with the Native Americans or you know a
lot of other cultures have that you know
the essence of life pervading through
all of everything all of the existence
so on
able to tap into their destiny tap into
the divine use that for their own
unfolding to affect change in the world
and to do that with the level of divine
power it's that's super human aspect
Nautilus so that's all it really is it's
not it's not actually about even taking
Jesus from people I know a lot of people
that love Jesus that are wicked and
pagan and unconscious no have a problem
with that just but it's not what people
think that it is I know I also said this
before I doubt that again if you are
going to be a Christian under the
following of Jesus then you need to step
up and be like Jesus because jesus
healed the sick raise the dead walk
don't wanna turn water into wine Jesus
was a huge Alchemist and I all you know
I've said to so many occasions he was
the magician my you know you know
there's no stretch of the imagination
with the miracles that he did and quite
honestly even the miracles that he did
do were commonplace around that time it
wasn't even that miraculous if we want
to say it that way
raise it from the dead okay Jesus rose
three days well that's not that
miraculous people were doing it all
through Greek and all through each you
know the Egyptian culture and quite
honestly even during this time well hell
last ones was there four days of we're
keeping count and keep his core so a lot
of this it was not so far-fetched other
thing during that culture and they now
even argue that from the description
they didn't have a lot of the the
medical advancements that we have today
that we know of and so people argue well
they had to perform miracles I mean
there's so many ways to go around it but
either way I would say if even if you're
gonna be a Jesus follower then be like
Jesus to be powerful like Jesus and you
should want nothing more I feel like a
parent that has a children a child most
parents that are engaged in the
well-being of their child they want
their child to supersede them in their
life period take what I have done learn
from my mistakes learn from all the good
stuff and then 10x it yeah exactly and
that's what Jesus said and greater
things shall you do like look don't stop
here may keep it keep it move and keep
it going I'm giving
the Holy Spirit y'all take it to the
entire world I mean that's the whole
thing with with with labels though you
know what I'm saying because people are
like truseq are you a Christian like how
do I answer that if I say yes you are
already gonna throw all of these weird
preconceived notions that I probably
disagree with 90% of them I disagree
with 90% of probably Christianity so to
call myself a Christian and to call
myself a witch or even the whole Gnostic
thing you know that was a thing early on
okay i'm nastic I like the Gnostic texts
I'd agree with a bunch of the I agree
with some of it but some of it's like
hold on I don't some of that's just too
much I don't go with that so it was
finding a label that you're comfortable
without I try to go with Christian
mystic you know what I'm saying it's
like the closest thing but even that's
just like open to interpretation much
like witchcraft much like the occult cuz
you said you teach the occult write the
word occult is hidden people will say
true seeker you're in the occult but the
Christians use that as a bad word a cult
I don't know what the hell the occult is
what does that mean you're you're in the
occult exactly the C is based upon there
are things that are hidden you are
revealing the mysteries of God you're
even description say in Amos you know
that truly God does nothing except for
ability into his prophets ie it's hidden
the prophets of the one revealing the
mysteries I think you go at all yeah so
the terminology and even the methodology
is still the same you still reveal it
like what you're doing yeah but to say
that like the occult is a agreed upon
doctrine or something or you tea or even
witchcraft or maybe even Christianity at
this point but people have these
preconceived notions and say oh you're
witch whatever and I remember seeing
these post a while back from these
different Christians would they were
talking about astrology and like and
they said oh yeah you can't be a
Christian it wasn't towards me they were
just having a conversation on Facebook
you can't be a Christian and be into
astrology and I'm like won a bet or you
can't be a Christian in my case talk
about mushrooms psychedelics you can't
one of it you can't get a Christian and
be gay wanna bet you know what I'm
saying just because you haven't seen it
before just because it doesn't fit into
your world view again you didn't let us
into the club and you can't kick us out
we're not here because you let us in you
know what I'm saying and I thought of
Christ or being a Christian
that's about walking with the Christ man
it's about having your own encounter and
and cultivating that and not just
agreeing to a doctrine like you really
you have all these people who are in
Christianity because it's a it's the
religion of our day but they've never
had an encounter with Christ with angels
with spirits with the past departed
souls Jesus had all of these encounters
not only did he have it but the
disciples the prophets the Apostles and
we continue to have these encounters and
we need to speak on them so that's what
we are trying to unpack this stuff you
know actually talk this this past
weekend cuz I taught on demonology and
one of the things I said I said listen
if you're not committed to go down this
path if you're not committed to put your
hand to the plow and not look back you
don't need to be calling forth spirits
because you're gonna get your hand
busted it's just simple you ready to
play around with this so this is not
sort of you just so will it really do
and it's funny cuz even what Chris is
talking about that you're in dangerous
territory well I agree on that I say the
same thing yeah so that doesn't is that
a forbidding of it it's a mindfulness of
it yeah
is that say don't do that and even with
people like you Reba understand where
demons came from you don't even
understand what an angel is what a
spirit is yeah you're talking about
astrology I give it all the time I'm
like well well what did you do with
Genesis the first book of your Bible
where it talks about that the stars were
created in heaven and they were called
sighs yeah to tell seasons in science we
can't read that it gets deeper on top of
that because it's a god-ordained season
like not just the seasons that the earth
goes through in the earth cycles but our
seasons in the way that we're built and
fearfully and wonderfully made there is
a line to each one of the houses of the
zodiac which is up there zodiacs in the
Bible Jesus was fake or mythos exactly I
can still understand explain information
from it I don't care if the miracles
were real or they were allegorical I
don't mind that because it wouldn't in
Jewish tradition they're about seven
layers they're all descriptions anyway
so just because you understand one layer
of it at a surface level doesn't mean
that there aren't other ways to unpack
it so I feel like I need to teach him on
the mother Mary that um and how she was
how it could have actually been very
much allegorical in nature the Virgin
Mary born under Mercury Jesus the Lamb
of God born under the sign of the RAM as
an Aries in April not in December law
story to that so there's so many things
around this positioning yeah even with
the disciples that and even with Mary if
we trace it back 9 was which is
hypothetically historically could have
been born which would have been
everybody
April possibly made back then up nine
months she would have married would have
been consumed around the time or it just
would have been conceived in the Virgo
season Virgo Virgin Mary I mean so there
are a lot of plays back and forth with
the scriptures that goes a lot deeper
beyond oh just the cute little girl she
got pregnant it was miraculous you know
okay that's great we're arguing about
stupid stuff they're stupid stuff I want
to give a shout out to everybody again
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man let's make it happen
but yes I don't everybody holding us
down talking about the scriptures in in
in it just contains so much beautiful
stuff right in in and in and of itself
the Bible is full of astrology mysticism
telepathy angels aliens like all of this
kind of oh and it's it's beautiful to
unpack it and I think many of us are
saying the same thing we just use
different terminology like they don't
obviously you had the word UFOs not in
the Bible the word well the word alien
is what it's all about yeah I remember I
used to quote the scripture because we
were telling my aliens and it says like
when the alien comes to your town make
sure you feed him properly and also look
alien czar in the Bible just joking
around but all of this it really gets
deep man and so people would say um you
know that you can't be into it just
because they're not into it like they
want they want to make spitting images
of themselves and I really feel like
just from my own experience because it
was me you want to create a disciple who
says what you say who they dress like
you dress they yes just like you because
you're not really confident in what you
believe and the more people that you can
convince to say the same thing it gives
a little bit more credence to what you
believe see I'm not the only one who
believes it so you go for and you try to
convince people out of what they believe
you get them on a interview and you
ambush them to get them out of what they
believe to so that they would speak the
same things well the Bible says cannot
to walk together unless they agree so
they would say up we agree we disagree
we disagree we disagree we can't walk
together I'm saying let's find what we
do agree on and build upon that and walk
together can two walk together unless
they agree and you'll find much unity in
that oh go ahead now I'm good yes even
we talk about the the Christian protocol
and the Christian practice it's always
from the standpoint of our biggest
horrible bad side
manners which is to say if your goal is
to make disciples like what you're
talking about if your goal is to
proselytize which it is go into all the
world and preach the gospel of good news
in baptize them and that's your goal
that's the Great Commission
of which I'm okay with I'm just saying
the matter of about what you're doing it
is just weird for me it's like going on
a first date with someone a girl or a
guy and talking about all the horrible
things about them and their hair and how
you don't like the way they tall and
then say will you marry me get the hell
out of here are you serious like you
just talk like to deal me and said all
these horrible things Bobby now you want
to marry me oh you want me to go to
church with you it's just weird
yeah oh another level as someone's good
probably not gonna like this but it is
what it is what it is it becomes very
much a form of religious trauma where I
don't beat you down hard enough and
strong enough to the point that I need
to be your Savior and here's the problem
I haven't that it's very much you know
this I'll get in trouble it's very much
like you know I've said it before with
african-american people with taking on
Christianity as the whole well you know
Christianity came from you know the
white man so I think it's very
interesting that you take up a faith of
your oppressor and it becomes as far as
psychology we come we call it funny fa w
in ing funny which is to say a gas an
example if so old we're sexually abused
Oh
stick your fight flight or freeze but
there's no term also called funny which
is they start to have this level of
endearment and intimacy with the person
that abuse them yeah
it becomes very interesting to try to
separate that person out from their mind
and so when you start to look at the
scriptures and pastors and all prophets
and how people look at and do religion
really what they're doing is they're
going around abusing a bunch of people
and then through that process those
people don't feel like they have
anywhere to go and then we back it up
with Scripture you're about a filthy
you know you can do nothing except for
you know do it through Christ you start
to really break people down
psychologically where they've actually
started to believe it so within with a
bridge people like us that says oh I'm a
very strong cookie so if you think
you're gonna crack me that's gonna be
very very difficult plus everything
you're saying doesn't even line up
intellectually speaking it you start to
see the abuse for what it is and that's
just really what it is it's a it's a
religion and practice again universally
that is one of Abby's yeah so I mean are
you so are you saying Christianity is
that chain of bondage or religion I kind
of feel like it started out as something
very beautiful now exactly yeah
definitely what is because now yeah
believe that the as an example you know
I think that a lot of people Roman
Catholic Church or you know whatever you
want to call it that really kind of
understand the history and they honor
that the art of their patron saints they
really get the original hey that's
paganism and like packaged we can
worship all the gods through
Christianity you know what I'm saying
that's definitely what I mean the word
Catholic means universal it is the
universal religion come let us reason
let us worship whoever you want to right
it's really interesting man because they
I think they do get it I think they do
they get it more than we do you know or
Christianity right in the West because
especially looking at praying to the
dead Saints the Day of the Dead
honoring down and the different
emanations that those Saints represent
that are different emanations of the One
God you know what I'm saying but we you
know you can and it's the same way all
the religions work I think it's the same
way the Bible works as well with as far
as like the allegory of the characters
hidden within the Old Testament and who
they represent
this aspect of God or there's only one
God but he's got many names Jehovah
Jireh
/ Raphael hello what he is I am that I
am I be whatsoever I will be like what
do you need me to be do you need me to
be your provider I'll be that call upon
this name do you need me to be this you
need me to be your strong tower call
upon this name need me to be your lover
you need you need me to be a friend you
need me to be a father figure oh you
never had a father figure I'll be that
to you that's what just like it's this
all-encompassing here o Israel the Lord
is one yeah really man I really do feel
like it is a childlike faith it is a
childlike faith where a child can go out
and gaze into the night sky and just go
lost in awe and wonder of the Creator
and and really communicate with the
Creator and to gaze at a ocean to gaze
at the Sun setting on the ocean and be
like man I sense this hand in all
creation surely the heavens declare the
glory of God the Stars the moon just
life and generally just caught up in
that are and Wonder Man and that's the
hidden things people look at this stuff
and take it for granted every day oh you
guys are talking about stars
oh you're worshiping the Stars really
dude I'm enamoured of over a little
aspect of nature of God of the secret
place of who he is man and him speaking
to other people maybe other nations may
be held that we're saying the same thing
we're doing the same things we're using
different words they've never heard that
term obviously the word psychic isn't in
the Bible the you know I'm saying the
word telepathy isn't in the Bible ESP
clairvoyance clairsentience
clairaudience they're not in the Bible
but they are very much so Jesus and the
disciples were moving in these spiritual
gifts and it was a part of their life so
let's unpack it for people because
people are having encounters people are
going to church seeing dead people and
you want to talk to somebody so we go to
the pastor what does the pastor do pray
it away in what happens it doesn't go
away it's a god thing so we have the
reason we have to get to the bottom of
this
and you're gonna have to take one for
the team you're gonna have to put your
nuts out there you're gonna have to be
the sheep led to the slaughter for the
people you have to become Jesus you
really do you have to take up your cross
because you're gonna die on it and
that's what it's about
but for the other people to be free and
any leader that story that allegory it's
all throughout the Bible it's out do I
Star Wars and every movie script in
every ancient text just the hero's
journey it's our story - you know the
Scriptures know and sometimes some words
don't even I think it was in the Czech
Republic the word prop is not even a
word it's not even translatable over in
the Czech Republic
that's right now yeah I had someone
trying to keep like we don't know what
that word means can you give us another
word problem what are you a prophet we
don't know what that is listen stop
let's design the Bible but you still go
there and give them your money yeah I
have to do with anything so Facebook I
mean it's just it just really is what it
is and so my thing is always the current
people have your own experience that's
about at the end of the day I look at it
this way we got we always were tall
traditionally that God I created
everything well if by that theology and
ideology God also created evil God also
created that person you keep calling
Satan and Lucifer and you know Satan and
the devil what are we to do with that
thing so either God made a mistake
God created something to abused you as a
human
yeah which is how it was traditionally
tall or three don't create all things
for your betterment for your good for
your use yeah for those that know how to
use it yeah and so when I look at it
from that particular context I'm always
like okay let me figure it out let me
understand what it means how you know
and here's the other thing too if you
are that powerful you should have
nothing to be concerned with nothing to
be concerned with it all and honestly
I've said this on so many occasions I
said this is weakened
- if your goal is to be a disciple like
you were talking about earlier didn't be
a disciple and teacher people first and
foremost that's like you having kids and
you feed it all the neighbors kids and
teach you other people's kids and your
kids are at home starving and stupid so
no I know where they want to hear you
talking to me to try to proselytize me
because you need to take care of your
own customs lunch that's a bunch bro
it's a lot that's why I got out of
ministry like when I was when I had to
check myself say you know what man I'm
I'm out here winning the world but my
family's not even with me like my
daughter don't even know she believes
let me call my let me sit my ass down
somewhere you know but there are so many
people they don't care they love the
applause they love the notoriety they
have to make up for lost years that they
lost and drug addiction and hurting
people so I have to go out here and win
the world but you're losing at home you
got to get your house in order the
scripture says if you don't you're worse
than an infidel right worse than an
unbeliever you have your house
absolutely and here's the fight a bit
like we had the Christian which is
conviction
remember Valerie hosted Edwin very very
well they invited me to come and do a
class I did no scriptural sorcery I
thought about a vocation invocations of
spirits demons the whole nine yards yeah
some speaking on the Sunday morning
service I will tell you I was a lot of
disappointed because there was so much
[Â __Â ] out there from the Christians you
know intact we got a have to eat you
gotta have these conversations before we
can even go further right and who blue
and whatever stupid terms out there I
don't have one person that meet me at
the airport I have one person to meet me
in Salem not one person well let me
rephrase that I had one person that did
out of how many millions of Christians
out there in the world and so they not
go back to you know what your keyboard
thug it's easy to say this stuff behind
a YouTube clip or a Facebook post if
some some people a little more old and
will send me a private message on
facebook or send me an email which I'm
guiding those you know they hate
messages etc but how deep do you
actually
leave this oh I'll say it this way you
keep saying that these people are
demonic okay go to a comedy show up when
we're doing a circle short what I'll
call it a spirit if you're that powerful
when I'll call it a demon for when you
show up with the power of Jesus and you
cast the demon out I'll get on anyone
that is that bolt you do it which means
you'll have the power they all excuse me
I'm not ready yet
I'm gonna get ready but they never they
never show up and I have to say I was
when I came out of some really dark
witchcraft and it was some dark stuff
right and I'm getting possessed there we
talked about that too but I wanted to
win the dude who'd let me into all that
stuff he's a warlock knows his stuff and
I wanted to win him to Christ but it's
like you know what but I was scared when
I seen him even as a believer because he
represented you know some dark stuff to
me and I saw it and so people look at us
like that even though we're not they
think we're doing all types of you know
crazy stuff they just assume they just
see the titles and assume you know what
I'm saying Chris she's doing more dark
magic then I know a coaches doing dark
exactly spirits god rest her soul so
sweet she used to holiness
well it'll cost the holiness I don't
know every time she used to get mad and
I would hear her say and she must say I
hope the devil rots your back tonight
yeah yeah I'm like you just said a demon
out to somebody no no yeah yeah and
those people would come back and say I
couldn't sleep last night I had horrible
nightmares was extremely powerful yeah
that's just one example I mean I could
go through I have screenshots and all
kinds of stuff what people have sad
stuff like you know kill these witches
this person needs to be hung yeah I mean
you'd be surprised when people that say
it so much should you know call CPS to
take your against from you al molester
yeah be liable scriptures to back it up
so then it goes for again how people are
cherry-picking the scriptures we all are
I'll admit it yes I do I don't there's
no I'm not a a Hebrew of Hebrews I don't
know that dial we all do and you have to
admit it to think that you have it all
figured out and there are some people
who got a lot figured out even Christian
ministers who I respect and or they have
good things that date like this nugget
if you want to hear about the cross if
you want to hear about grace go to this
Minister but when he saw his teaching on
the prophetic when he starts teaching
about the Christian dietary laws or I
wish stay away
he don't know what the hell he's talking
about but everything else he's good you
know what I'm saying so it's kind of you
do have to pick and choose with who you
listen to the Bible says here a little
there a little you know just like think
there's a little pastor or your
denominator denomination has it all
figured out when I want to hear about
the cross um you know and there were
times where I definitely needed to hear
about that I went to Jimmy Swaggart
ministries they got that on right but if
I wanted to hear about demonology and I
wanted to hear about other I'm not going
to those people I'll go to Manley P Hall
Jordan man well some of the Santos
Bonacci some of these guys who
understand the body the genetic makeup
and how it reflects the heavens Jimmy
swaggin anything to break that down to
you I'm sorry Paul washers not breaking
it down John MacArthur is not breaking
this stuff down they don't understand it
but I respect them for what they do
understand right and so that's where it
is here a little there a little and but
to claim that we have it all figured out
and this is the only people you should
listen to and stay away from those
people no it does it doesn't work like
that man but I really do like where you
was headed about this sting and I feel
like this is where you were going like
the sovereignty of God and how God the
essence of the universe or spirit
whatever uses all things for your good
the demons the devils the spirits the
angels the darkness is all night of the
soul and it ends up being in this
beautiful song and dance between the
demons and angels and not like they're
at war but that they just exist and God
allows seasons and cycles for you to go
through and be tested and tried to by
these spirits to create something
beautiful within you so the Satan
character the deceiver the accuser of
the bread
it's really what he's supposed to do
you're supposed to be tried you're
supposed to be tested and your faith is
supposed to be proven and it turned it
turns out we're like God does all of
this for your good like all of the crap
you went through in this cycle and these
seasons that you thought ma'am you feel
like it's the devil but it's it's it's
God like God had you the whole time he
never left you never forsake you he told
you he wouldn't but we feel like he did
and so everything works together for our
good man and so there's a different
relationship there with these demons
with these angels with whatever and and
in in and with God who created creates
everything everything exists through him
and through Jesus and what that
relationship is now moving forward and
it gets you it gives you a better
understanding of the Bible a better
understanding of demonology of Satan of
the devil of who the hell is Beelzebub
mentioned of one time in the Bible it's
not Satan like we've been told you have
to break this stuff down um speaking on
demonology and this kind of stuff I love
demonology
have you read King James's book of
demonology I have not read it you read
like yeah Queen James there you go Queen
James who most people don't know what's
actually women was where he got a little
you know Queen James from but let me
just applaud you because that is such a
high level of maturity what you just say
it regarding there's some people like if
I want to know healing or grace or even
him don't you those people going to
Benny Hinn I'm telling you no less of
somewhere all these these cats new
healing know the person don't go
anywhere
other than that and so or if I want to
talk know about finances you get a you
know Myles Munroe or a creflo dollar
whatever and I don't want to give the
other side of this too because I have
tremendous respect for a lot of
Christians we have correct we have
Christians in our ministry in the work
that we do hardcore Jesus followers love
Jesus so cuz I want make make sure that
people call
we quote me correctly talking about
Christians all together because that's
just impossible that would be ignorant
to do I don't know every Christian and
that's just stupid you know
we're talking about the system that gets
really reported out there but I love I
loved Pastor Joel Osteen you know love
Lakewood I've been there have you ever
had a time where you like spoke against
these guys though cuz I did always you
used to speak against them and hey stay
away from them and these dogs and
sorcery and yeah there's some things
even nail I have done I try to always
put it in context of which is to say I
don't want to hear Joel Osteen teaching
about the prophetic not your church I'm
saying it yeah no space there are plenty
of people like bishop bernard jordan
that can speak on this space though
that's the thing Joel Osteen knows his
space he doesn't have know he's probably
got people if you want to know that hey
here's our teachers here's our leaders
they'll teach you this is right now say
you know wisdom is out in the multitude
of counsel so I do find that to have
wisdom especially in the Christian
context you need to have some other
varying voices in your life so that's
why all the conversations leaving into
the demonology will one I this is
probably very much prophetic way of
looking at God and the divine
I view everything as sovereign meaning
that it has a level of Independence and
ownership in the divine in and of itself
in order for something to be sovereign
it must have an option it must have
choices it must you know push that
choice and that it depends out in the
world
I have you demons the devil good angels
all that as an option all to give you
some form of sovereignty because if I
don't have the option to pick and choose
yeah we call my dictatorship that we
call it control no we call them you want
to say well you're just a robot you're a
lemming you don't know where to go and
so argue that the scriptures would say
you know your body's not your all you
bought us a temple of the Holy Spirit
your ball with the price and so on
say a lot of the scriptural context
through Christianity is actually more
ownership not sovereignty which is fine
I can float with that I just don't teach
the scriptures like that so let me say
this to you because here's the funny
thing one people talk about things they
have no idea they grew beyond the ball
Lucifer Lucifer swears most people in
the Christian context have no idea what
that is the devil Satan all in the same
category and none of those things are
the same
oh yeah some are spirits similar
entities sorry boy presidents it's an
embodiment and all of us can float back
and forth and so I don't like talking
about the demon side of things because
most Christians actually most people
that are ending a cult in reaction to
what demons came from yeah I tend to
flow more all the Solomonic side of
things in okie and those fears of Asia
yeah and so in the Book of Enoch a child
starts talking about this whole
wonderful story in the apocryphal text
and it starts to get this understanding
with the the angels in heaven well we
would have called the fallen angels came
down and they started having sex with
the women of the earth they found them
fair they found them beautiful the egg
is also sought to teach the man certain
things like astrology the sciences
things like that these fallen angels
were educating and also very intimate
with the human beings through that
experience with what a current is the
women started giving birth to these
spirits know the Scriptures talk about
this a little bit they called Nanette
below the nebula the Book of Enoch comes
to sorry to stop it a little bit more
which is to say well the offspring of
this you know these fallen angels and
these humans started roaming the earth
they had nowhere to go and it was a lot
of them just caused the chaos like
children do children need to be reined
in children need parents so what
happened was those children were bound
to other beads other angels pretty much
they were orphan angels that were given
a father given a mother
interesting the demons are almost like
little orphan kids and and star signs
though right
so they're both dangerous not that they
were bound to certain stars absolutely
speaking yeah there is a whole science
behind it and so it's very very
interesting it almost becomes this point
of celestial child protective services
that occurred yeah it's weird to say it
that way but that's actually what
happened so what tips are not occurring
mystics rose of the coaches Rosa other
mages and sages rose up to say can we
find a foster parent to then work with
these particular children or could we
find a professional that works in a
group home to guide these particular
spirits to teach them the ways of and so
they were bound to these higher spheres
to Beelzebub Lucifer huge and being
who's a Duke and all these other beans
yeah I became very very hierarchical and
then people like Solomon and other
people rose up to say we have to man we
have power we have authority and under
our power we now are not just working
with you know let's say Beelzebub we
also work with Luther King we're also
working with the other spirits that are
underneath them and so it's an
interesting conversation to be had
because that's how demons came to exist
it's almost like they're Chucky watch
all these kids like this little Dennis
the Menace's kids that's how they were
ministers running around like mrs.
Dennis the Menace's education he needs
an authority figure he needs someone who
shows him how to work his power is not
the Dennis the Menace as a bad cheat is
that he is in need of authority
he's a need of guidance now how how
demons came to exist but most people
don't understand that everything is the
deal everything is not the deal
yeah everything and then to think that
it was something that God didn't know
about like this just happened in God's
like I don't know what we're gonna do
like he orchestrated this is his playing
field like he knew they needed that we
needed that I don't know about God
needed anything we needed it
we needed to be tempted there's this
beauty in the in the blueprint would you
talk about we have a choice and I and I
tell you man like so many people over
the years and even myself would just
grieve over sin you know and why do I
keep making these same sins and people
like addicted to pornography God
take it away they're begging God to take
pornography away but take the begging
God to take the pill addiction away God
doesn't take it away hold on
how much do you love me do you love me
more than your pornography addiction do
you love me more than your pill
addiction will show me yes I love you
more than this predictable no you don't
I love more than my food addiction you
don't you love your food you know what
I'm saying so there it's there's a
contrast there with the sin and with the
addictions and stuff people want to just
be delivered from evil but there has to
be a choice man there would be no
worship in that that you could be doing
other things and I enjoy your body your
genetic makeup enjoy your flesh and am
allistic nature enjoys that stuff but
it's to put that flesh under submission
and say you know what I enjoy your
presence more I enjoy the holy spirit I
enjoy our sacred union in this
fellowship of spirits
I enjoy this more and I don't want
anything to grieve that right so there's
this this testing that goes on you know
Christie a good friend of mine Christie
and the chat she's they quoted a
scripture where God doesn't tempt anyone
like God God is not the one no but it
says in the scriptures he posted it says
he himself won't tempt you he has his
messengers tempt you that's what they're
here for
to buffett you look at the Apostle Paul
I was given a messenger of Satan they
laugh at me telling me make sure I get
me right get me right I'm getting too
prideful set me down pride cometh before
a fall scriptures tell you that God sent
a messenger of Satan
what is the messenger of Satan it's a
demon the demon God sent him a sent a
demon God sends evil angels you
have to understand sovereignty man this
whole song and dance nothing passes gods
you know dictatorship leadership there's
nothing that happens that he doesn't
know about submit yourselves to God in
every area make sure you're clean you're
walking in holiness and your your mind
your hands and your heart is pure yeah
if it comes let it come he's gonna never
leave you you're not gonna go through it
by yourself you're gonna go through it
we're gonna deal with demons we're gonna
deal with angels we're gonna deal with
our own sin and mm animalistic nature
but it's all part of the song and dance
and it's beautiful it's for you it's to
help you and it has to exist it's the
beauty of the contrast if I was the
white light and everything was beautiful
there would be no we wouldn't we
wouldn't be able to appreciate the light
because it would always be the light
there has to be some darkness there has
to be some dark areas don't go over
there into the shadows or Hey I've
called you I'm sending you into the
shadows there's that situation too
because I can appreciate people that
says this I am called to go into these
spaces of darkness that's fine because
at least you're venturing into those
spaces we and I'm a big person about if
you're going to talk about it please
talk about something you have personally
experienced and I know people say well I
don't have to experience it to know it's
true yes you do because do you have no
idea what an actual demon is or a spirit
like that is you never know what people
have I just know it
and like you have never gone into a sea
vocation like a lot of YouTube videos
about people with like you had spirits
in oh hey I read I watched 17 videos and
all these people are saying the same
variable and but if you watch 17 more
you're gonna hear something else
listen I believe that I have the power
of the Christ Jesus in me that is meant
to come against evil so I'm gonna come
against not behind a keyboard not on a
cell phone not behind you know an email
I'm actually gonna go to a person that I
believe is possessed and I'm gonna
exercise the power of my god probably
then if you're that bone to do it I've
yet to find anyone that will do that I'm
just saying I don't believe you
well I don't think you I don't think
that happened successfully through
messenger they try to do it they try to
do some ass in there right that I do
because it's so funny because I've also
said this when I teach on angelology
angels are bad beings to Angela or not
oh there's someone for that grief
they're just messengers they just have a
harp in their hand
Michael Michiel has a frickin sword no
one comes no he's not sitting out any
having chai tea with you yes a freaking
sword yeah he's a warrior and here's the
play thing check every aspect of this
you're just the actual canon of
scripture where God did damage he sent
angels to cause that problem not a demon
God yeah he did it oh he opened up the
earth and swallowed you whole
absolutely so it's really funny cuz they
were not talking back to people like you
guys that your Bible talks more about
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then demons or or sins a bear sends a
mama bear to eat your children oh god
let's don't we can't forget I said let's
don't go down so God said his own
creation after you so I'll open up the
ground sin bears blood your earth
you said his good angels towards you to
keep you out of the going to you know
course I'll make it more call it power
down from heaven you know causing
blindness I can keep going on and on so
we talk about deep ok the demons were
and every monopoles they're like well
the message of Satan came to Joe and
Satan was with them yeah and pull out
another one yeah and it don't get you
well you should work in divination
okay right you've not actually had good
education when it comes to this topic
you know your based ideologies keep
keeping you from what I want you to
check my teaching on that man I think
you'll like it
I will yeah I'll send it to y'all I'll
send it to you man
before you brought that out there was
goodness there's so many points man that
this is a good interview man we're just
getting it aids that are doing damage
and causing problems and the scriptures
and not doing more of that do anything
else it was actually the who was acting
the demon yeah who's actually be the bad
person here yeah it's just really funny
I mean well I mean we keep going on this
and like the this is what I wanted to
ask you are you are you familiar with
the Kundalini have you experienced it's
beautiful right it would you would you
liken that to the fire of the Holy
Spirit in July yes okay I do a lot of
teaching on that right I believe it's
the same thing I've encountered both
it's the same thing it's beautiful it's
it's not to be played with there's a lot
of teaching out there about unlocking
the Kundalini energy when it takes over
your body you shake and you violently
and you cry and you I mean that happens
in in most churches all across the world
right they have the same encounter but
you don't play with the Kundalini
because if you open your body up to
those energies and you open up your life
and you're not 100% committed and you
you know if you don't balance the energy
it can you can go mad you can go insane
it can produce things in your body where
you get injured and things like that and
there's a bunch of testimony about
opening the third eye or getting filled
with Kundalini which I wish I wouldn't
have done if we're talking about this
and here's the thing where the
Christians come into play because the
Christians come into play say it's a
different spirit the Kundalini is not
the Holy Spirit the Holy Spirit is the
perfect gentleman he would never he
would never you know you never get hurt
you would never go wrong
and all this kind of stuff is like hold
on so you're saying that the Kundalini
is nothing to play with
but you can play with the Holy Ghost you
can play ask Ananias and Sapphira if
they can play with the Holy Ghost and
see what happens and so there's all of
these scriptures about God and Jesus and
everyone if you put your hand to the
plow and look you're not worthy of the
kingdom or like I know I can tell you so
many people that I've encountered in the
church that are delusional people they
are living in another reality and saying
that God told me this the Holy Spirit
told me that their cousin said the Holy
Spirit told them the opposite and the
Holy Spirit is this and holy spirits
that hold on man you got there's a
strong delusion that's going on there
and you have to balance the energies
because these people in the churches
even have gone mad who have had
encounters with the Holy Ghost but if
you're not committed it's going to eat
you up the Holy Ghost the Scriptures God
spirituality it's nothing to play with
it's beautiful it can aid your life it
can help you but you have to be
committed it's nothing to play with the
Kundalini is not to play with and the
Holy Spirit is nothing to play with
either it's the same energy you're
unlocking that energy that spiritual
energy and if you do not balance it you
will go mad you will go insane and
people are going insane in your local
churches but it's a breeding ground
hey the Lord told me that there's a
window right here and if we stand under
it the Holy Spirit will reign on us man
you don't get out of here like you hear
all kind of little weird weird stuff
people make up and some of it's harmless
that's the thing in our churches that
kind of weird stuff is harmless right
but people are going mad man and they're
they're not coming back from it and it's
crazy to think that the Kundalini is the
judgment one or the Kundalini is the one
you don't play with because you can open
up energies you're not ready for and
you're going in the churches preaching
this stuff you're going into
neighborhood drug infested neighborhoods
where people are addicted to crack
cocaine methamphetamine prostitution
you're preaching the good news of Christ
they're getting delivered spirits are
leaving them
you're not getting them in a place where
they can grow and nurture that spirit
they got filled with that spirit but
they have to get in a place where
they're gonna grow we're talking about
demonology the Bible says that they come
back seven times greater if you don't
clean clean the house and this is what's
going on all over all over the the US
but all over the world with tent
revivals preachers coming to your city
they set up for the weekend and they
leave and they cast some kind of demons
I know it was a thing in the youth group
years ago where like there was two
things there was the there was a
challenge that they did it was the
blasphemy challenge and so kids were
early days of MySpace in YouTube kids
would go one record and record videos
and say hey I hate the Holy Spirit I
don't want him in my life and I'm
blaspheming the name of God and they
were going record blaspheming the Holy
Spirit and it was a challenge to get
kids to do this and then other kids and
it would go to reduce groups in church
services who feel like they had demons
in them and they would get the demons
casted out of them at the altar on
purpose they would get the demons cast
out of them so that seven greater would
come and they would receive more power
and the description says that the end
the end result of that person usually is
not I don't know how how I don't know if
the innocence of a child like like if
that really was happening but
scripturally like it's not a good thing
right because your thinking your
methodology of thought is just it's
refreshing it's it's very rare in this
space it just is and because I've said
on many occasions because I'll be out
believe in Holy Spirit I'm always
talking about that I believe the work
that I do is of the Holy Spirit the
ruach ha kodesh yama oh yeah love it and
then I say well I don't think you're
really talking to Christians I don't
think you really understand what you're
talking about with the infilling of the
Holy
the Holy Spirit you're talking about the
essence of the divine which created all
things which controls all things which
is potentially create a teens through
life housed in the container of your
body look you need to think about that
for a moment like if you were to get the
cosmos all the planets everything that
we are aware of on planet earth right
nail and put that all in your body
that's a huge power source why would you
not take that responsibly why would you
not process it that way and so if you
really believe that you hold the power
of the Creator within your loins you
would watch how you talk to people yeah
you would watch how your words or create
18 out in the world you are also watch
how you then destroy with your words
your other fellow person that also holds
that Holy Spirit with Debbie you would
watch that and here's what I have to dis
take another step back if the Holy
Spirit is within you wouldn't the Holy
Spirit know how to guard you from doing
that anyway so then is the Holy Spirit
fighting against itself who's actually
in control is that the Holy Spirit or is
it you there lastly we can break this
down so many different ways all of which
becomes a conflict to say well the holy
the whole story doesn't make you he's a
gentleman so then you have control over
[Laughter]
it so you have control over it so if you
have control over to stop it you have
control over it to instigate it so yeah
it's possible for them people to slow
that handover it up as a scripture we
stir it up to them give people prophetic
words so psychic insight or heal the
sick one
you have the ability because you have
already defined you can control that
power and here's the thing if the Holy
Spirit is the essence is the divine you
just said you can control God that's
what you say it to create a power that
created the universe is within your
grasp you can control it where here's
the funny
about this because if we did there of
the born is one ritual that's exactly
what the in their coach that's what the
boil is one ritual here it's this whole
dramatic ceremonial experience about you
realizing that at the center of the
universe here am i and so when I start
to speak I am speaking as Elohim the you
know the I am I am God in this
particular moment so angels are subject
to me demons are subject to many other
spheres or subject to me what I get what
I say in that moment gets created and
it's interesting I here's the funny
thing about this prayer that's the power
of prayer oh yeah I love how you talk
about even the Holy Spirit they
appreciated the occult when I got into
it because it was a lot more of
reverence quite honestly people that are
actually in it there are coaches mystics
you know or a witchcraft they have a not
everybody because it's like church or
like human beings it's not everybody
does it but there's such a degree of
appreciation and honor and respect for
the spirits and for the respect of the
energy you're cultivating that it's just
undeniable it's almost impossible to not
take it seriously
and I will say I had moments like that
in the Christian faith
it was really only when we said the Holy
Spirit came into the room you know and
you had and I've had those moments yeah
you'll have those moments where you get
your a hush you were afraid to Tahoe Lee
hush fell over the crowd holding her
have still part of his Crusades saying
you know he'll give the whole nine yards
loved his ministry I remember times that
I've gone there and I I know when he
clicks in and when he clicks out and
when he clicks out and that spirit comes
up and might listen don't you move don't
you think anything bad you just know
what he's a different person yeah and
that Kundalini experience you know it
well yeah you know what people have
experience
sit and when they have it and people
that talk so lipid li about it
oh that's fake that's fake you never
experienced it you've never experienced
I'll tell you about that creating an
atmosphere is what Benny Hinn does and
that's what we're supposed to do to
change the app we have the power and
dominion over the over that the winds in
the air and we have to be able to catch
that atmosphere even on this pockets
what we're doing right now we're
creating an atmosphere but you know they
were played a soft sense I think I got
some I got some sauce sent sent in here
we could play but um so he would create
an atmosphere I tell you one thing that
really struck me though but this is as I
was starting to come out of that I want
to have Benny Hinn crusade and he was
the holy hush fell over and the Jesus
dear Jesus did Jesus he does I love it
man I love Benny hearing his early work
as books but a baby started crying and
this is how much that Benny Hinn knows
about that atmosphere and like let's
let's control it he stopped and he said
shut that baby up way up there in the
rafters yeah some mother had a baby
crying and they had to get the baby out
and like take it to the nursery I mean
that's why they have nurseries that's
why they have nurseries so you would see
that he understood the power of that
moment I got offended early on it's like
why would he do that was a baby you know
but then you don't understand the
atmosphere you know we're trying to book
events and stuff and if you're trying to
set that atmosphere and you got people
walking in and out and getting coffee
and having a conversation in the back
and there and you're having a holy
encounter and they're talking about the
football game this weekend's a hold on
there's a power in that atmosphere that
you can create - you know there's a lot
of people who benefit from that people
who literally got healed like we know
people who got healed crooked legs that
were made straight at Benny Hinn
Crusades
tamo all of this is fake and Jesus never
existed in the Gospels not real I'm up
above a tether to the girls legs who was
crooked and now straight tell that to
the you know the mother whose son was
addicted to crack cocaine and meth and
who's like not anymore supernaturally
had that
power raised from somewhere from the
Christ energy from that story and now
they're not addicted tell them tell the
mother who's healed of cancer that that
story's made up in you know that's what
it's about it's about Christ in you the
hope of glory and a life transformed for
me it give is the only credence I need
to see that look there's some validity
to this you know what I'm saying but it
doesn't stop there right the other the
other traditions and the other beliefs
and see the hand of God moving i 100%
we're talk about the Kundalini I believe
in and the prophecy and Joel that says I
will pour out my spirit on all flesh all
Christians know all flesh muslims hindus
all flesh and then the great evangelist
man of our day billy graham at the end
of his rope the end of his road he was
the greatest evangelist we knew he says
that god has a he says we're not gonna
see this big outpouring of everyone
coming to church and getting saved and
this huge revival he said we're not
gonna see it he said but we are gonna
see what god has as a people that he has
called out for his namesake and these
people are involved in hinduism they're
Buddhists they're Muslims they're all
over the earth they may not have even
heard the name of Jesus but in their
heart they know that they have a
desperation for something greater than
themselves and they are the body of
Christ Billy Graham is only right there
saying that that is amazing that should
tell us something the greatest
evangelist at the end of his Road he's
ran his race he's come to some
conclusions at the end of this and this
is what he came to and I think if I
think if he believed it man I think we
should at least look into it many people
heard him say that and they say is a
heretic and they throw all his whole
ministry out and say he in his old age
you know ba ba ba ba ba but that's just
what happens man but I think that
there's something that we should pay
attention to there absolutely
again back to that thing about
information people would be surprised
how many Christian traditional Christian
pastors think like that yeah they just
can't say that from the pulpit I have
been around so many people to that
process that way but yeah it's so funny
about the beating hand thing because
they go back to that environment
yeah these moment of honor and respect
is so powerful and I always say I don't
know if I ever got offended what I I had
those initial experience with with him
because that was always important in
these in our tradition yeah like we're
just very very careful you like you take
the baby out that ushers do whatever
they need to do and I learn to process
it this way so you mean to tell me that
the one person gets to potentially
sabotage 50,000 other people in their
place yeah how was that there yeah you
know and so I especially when there are
other opportunities like for daycare but
I also learned to understand this having
worked with those energies none you have
to when you're in that space baby
Hannah's not talking as a human being
that has feelings and it's trying to
maneuver people's emotions he is talking
under that energy and expression and
it's very direct it's extremely direct
and so it's interesting nail to be in
that space cuz I get it mm-hmm even like
this weekend I was doing in my workshop
before I even started I said don't use
the bathroom I don't want anybody
getting up turn your cell phone off
except for the two people that I have
you reading a scripture or reading this
particular thing for me otherwise I
expect need to be in your seat with your
pad out yeah
writing notes and if you have a question
raise your hand and we'll go from there
and we went for like four hours I think
yeah no I even do that set the
expectation here's the environment
because the reality is it's only four
hours people four hours are out of your
day and probably the
four hours out of the whole year that
you spent time to act and study there I
mean there's there has to be a reverence
stare man I mean somebody and so when
when if we're looking at it from the
Christian tradition you know the the
Prophet the preacher the teacher the
evangelists the Apostle like the whole
for the whole file fold or whatever and
extra ones as well but they as they come
together some of them can get somebody
can get an impression of the spirit and
other ones can kind of oversee it and
the way the Spirit works through that is
beautiful and that's how it was supposed
to work and I was awesome that the
church that you were involved with
honored you as a prophet at the time
that's good because there's there's not
a lot of that but it has to be a way
that you're flowing in the spirit and
this is this is universal it's not just
church we can use the terms universal
but I remember and encountered that we
had and I had an encounter man where I
literally encountered Jesus I had a
vision
we were just begging God for an
encounter we need you to move in our
lives who need you to help us we need
this we wanted to encounter you and we
were fasting and praying and literally
it was me and two other brothers and we
were praying at somebody's house and all
of a sudden man we're holding hands in a
circle and then this bright light just
took over my vision and I got blinded
and it was just so bright and it was
painful but yet euphoric at the same
time and it was this burden for humanity
how much I hurt for humanity and I want
you to do better and my love for you is
this is my love but it was off but it
felt good it was also cleansing and it
made it made the silhouette of a person
and I believe it was Jesus man and I
wrote a song beauty of a thousand suns
and that's what it was gazing into the
beauty of a thousand suns and and I
started to tremble and I started to
scream because the power was so intense
right and I'm holding these two brothers
hands and they don't want to let me go
because it's emanating off of me and
they're like oh and this weird euphoric
and even as I'm talking about I feel it
but it goes into this right we had this
encounter it was so
purging beautiful and I encountered
Jesus in that way we end up going to
week later we did a prayer meeting at my
house with a bunch of other people and
we were in prayer and that Holy HUS kind
of fell over the group and I began to
kind of talk about our experience and as
I did you can feel that testimony
creating that same atmosphere of what
God did for us there he can he wants to
continue and move and you can feel it
and start to tremble and other people
too was people starting to weep as they
hear about the beauty of Jesus and so
we're just in that holy hush and then
this other guy just starts randomly
talking about football and it just well
gone in an instant what died what are
you thinking dude you know what I'm
saying it isn't is it to say that God is
subject does God care about the football
game there's something about setting the
atmosphere you know what I'm saying I
don't know what it is but it was gone
and I've been in too many places where
you learn from that don't do it don't go
do it
don't grieve the Holy Spirit all things
were created from the word all things
are continually upheld by the word if
the word is what created the environment
of healing and I'm saying it's because
people you know we're bringing up
beating hand so undoubtedly there's
gonna be somebody's a lot of faith
healers go into the hospital yeah oh
yeah just that right now
because people say the same thing lot of
prophets you know talk to you know
people that are not Christian well a lot
of my stuff is mostly non yeah belief
people's are atheists and skeptics and
everything that's most of my prophetic
work so I don't do a lot of my work with
people that are cortical spiritual they
may explain what happens to create an
environment you did it musically you did
it in word you get it through the union
of thought that was what created that
charged environment well we call it
charged in the
in the Mystics basement going no charge
the environment so just like a word can
create us into that environment a work
and also created out of the environment
or create another environment within
that same environment and here's the
challenge most of us have not trained
our bodies our minds our consciousness
to hold that space of focus for that
long a period of time so it needs to be
silent so anything that does come in we
have now learned how to contain that
focus and maintain focus for that period
of time so we're easily broken out of it
and this is such as probably the it is
the first level of even initiation is
you've gotta learn how to control your
mind to be so unfocused unwavering
that's such a high degree that you are
always in the environment like that and
nothing shifts you nothing moves you and
that's why people faith healers do not
go into hospitals because there's not an
environment that they have learn to
maintain or cultivate that allows them
to be effective because most faith
healers are not creators of the healing
environment they're cultivators of the
healing environment which is different
they know how to work the environment
once it's created they can their
conduits of it they're not necessarily
creators of it now if someone said why
don't profit do that I could argue that
because profits how more instinctively
have that creative gene of wisdom I can
go into a space where I can give someone
a prophetic word and you actually may
hate me you may actually disagree with
me you actually may not even believe in
a God or deity and I can pierce through
that environment it's not necessary for
me as a prop as a real prophet I would
say so in that case prophets can do that
I've lied to hospitals before and I'll
say some of this is also just legalities
you can't just walk up to some random
people sorry human is afraid of people
to do that do you think Jesus couldn't
even do it she's gonna do it this
awesome regularities there that you have
to deal with I used to be a chaplain
into the sea so some of this is not just
a matter of my faith some of it is about
that person's faith that you're working
with faith is very vibe environmentalist
in nature
so it's almost I'm not gonna say
impossible yeah
but a faith healer would have to be such
in a prophetic space and they would have
to be in such a focus space to literally
be able to walk in with that environment
into the hospital and by that nature
they probably won't even need to speak
the environment would do the work itself
but again it works off of the person's
faith now there are there are preachers
and I know this used to happen when we
were younger do you've seen this that
your preacher wasn't doing lunching
luncheons every day at Ruby Tuesday your
preacher his job was to go visit the
sick people in the house and pray with
yellow they don't do that anymore they
have teams that go out and do that or
something you know right but so but it
still happens like you know to do that
but they do do that and like I said you
have to have I mean I mean how many
times have we prayed for family members
and they recovered you know in in the
hospital room so there is healings still
going on in the hospitals and so you
know in doctors reports even doctors
doctors who were believers who believe
in you don't send the miracle-working
power of prayer or a faith right so they
believe in that too and you see that a
lot so it definitely is happening but
you do hear those blanket statements
probably because of the numbers thing
maybe that's a lever state has a huge if
you got all these people walk you can't
just move it in there you know but and
to think that Jesus couldn't do it
that's like that that'll make some
people mad you know but it but it's the
truth you know because the face is when
you start learning this space there is a
larger component to this which is also
people are revving up to that energy
people their body is adjusting to that
energy and anyone has ever work with
understand exactly what I'm talking
about you're not you're just not
dropping into that energy it would kill
you physically speaking your body it
goes into your body actually goes
through a hole metabolically change in
that process I've been to a beating here
crusade before let me explain the
process of being here crusade you are
mentally preparing days before you might
have driven two hours or 11 hours and
I've done eleven hours before you're
waiting in line sometimes overnight
possibly seven to eight hours there was
the doors open
you're waiting probably another two to
four hours while music is going on the
entire time people are talking
scriptures they're talking about faith
they're giving you reports about what
happened to them in another session is
building your face you're going days
upon days upon days building up your
faith once you get in and the service
actually starts it's getting ramped up
teaching music faith teaching fees
everybody's doing that collectively
you're probably gone through 48 hours of
indoctrination of that energy prior to
the healing actually occurring and that
could be very 50,000 people don't notice
you 48 hours times 50,000 people yes
it's not just your faith is your faith
tied to all these all the people that
believe the same thing no different
because you have an opposite with a
hospital you're in an apartment where
everyone is thinking we are dying then
all of their relatives are breaking in
their faith of death and faith of
sickness and faith of doubt so one
person coming into an environment maybe
of also 50,000 people is coming in
already set up for failure in an
environment that is not conducive for
them to work now this is where I can't
argue if the power of God is that strong
that shouldn't matter and I'll actually
work to that and I don't have a problem
well mainly that's the I mean I think
that's the problem is it's not and I
think I was
won't people actually say that the power
of God flowing through you as the
conative as a faith healer a prophet a
pouch or whatever else even from a
financial prosperity sample the power of
God is not that prosperous in you to get
all your people millionaires in your
church of twenty thousand people it's
not you're the conduit and this is what
I then say if you are the messenger you
have a responsibility to uplevel your
game because we should and I put me into
this category you should be able to walk
into a hospital surrounded by faith and
darkness and sickness and cancer and a
whole bunch of other things and walk in
there and all of a sudden everyone
starts walking and running and screaming
and crying and said oh my god what's
happened the all the machine should go
particularly crazy all the people that
are also dead in that same hospital
because that happens all those people
should be raising up if you have that
level of power what I am saying is
that's how I think you know not that I
have obtained it but I pressed toward
that particular mark and I am very
honest about that I believe that anyone
that operates with the levels of divine
power and especially if you are calling
being called by the name of the Christ
you should think that way and nothing
less because while you don't have your
expectation that high someone is dying
someone is getting abused at home
domestic violence someone is on the
streets because they didn't have that
financial prosperity so when else is
dealing with grief and loss you and for
you to not think at that high degree of
power you are doing a disservice to the
cause that's me included
yeah and I'll say I don't think that
Christianity or a lot of things even the
mystic space I know we don't teach it at
that low and how dare you
say you are a follower a disciple and
enthusiasts of the Christ and your mind
is not on the $50.00 people at a
hospital right now and dying how dare
you so don't cook it I think this your
focus on me or warlock
or magician or sorcerer or which you
have the wrong focus stop focus on
people that are out there that you have
no control over while your people are
dying that's just the stupidest most
irresponsible thing that I have ever
heard of so even with me I'm not even
concerned with what other people are
doing it doesn't even matter in that
space and time and so it's funny a lot
of my work is probably calling people to
a higher calling more than anything else
like and so if your God is that
concerned nothing [Â __Â ] and I say
demon and I did all these your God is
the super-ego ik or has a weird multiple
personality complex or somehow suffers
from most of the same and your God needs
Prozac
yeah if you're praying all these prayers
and your God is not answering you need
to kill that God because what good is of
God that you call on that doesn't answer
and your inhale and bondage and sickness
and your people are dying and you're
poor and all those other things that's
just stupid
you need to kill that guy I don't care
who the audience you're not in
relationship with that God that God is
tricking you
you probably have a demon if actually we
ought to argue that so I say this is a
lot of churches just a damn show and on
my Santa it is and the problem with that
because people are coming in her bruise
painful looking for answers though
they're they're idolizing preachers and
I think that's bad or wrong but what
they're really saying is I see I think
that you are in a better place than I am
let me ascribe to be like you what do I
need to do I'll give $20 I'll give every
bit of money my account I'll come and
volunteer if that gets me closer to
being at the behind emanation in the
world I will do it and for that reason I
think the church is doing a horrible job
because you're not waving people to be
world changers and you know healers and
powerful people and to be able to walk
into a grocery store and tell the
cashier don't you commit suicide today
your life is worth
more than that your focus is [Â __Â ] all
if you're concerned about me you need to
be building your intuition you need to
be building your faith you need to be
building your environment up you need to
be putting money and time and energy and
training into your people if you're not
going to go to a school and you're
sitting those people there that's what
your focus needs to be not on a witch
not on the wall because I'll tell you
most of us are not even thinking about
y'all and I go to churches I love it and
it's powerful it will cry and we'll sing
the hold on yours no one is coming out
there to do warfare against people no
way is up that's just stupid
well there's a lot of gossip going on if
they know who you are the cool thing is
when you can go to a church where nobody
knows who you are I mean that's the only
place where my my my you know my
reputation precedes me people know me so
if I show up have you got a witch in
your church like that kind of thing but
you can go to a church where nobody
knows you and it's about the you know
even with these healings it's about the
level of expectation the placebo effect
how much do you believe in how much can
you join your faith that when I touch
the hem of His garment I'm gonna be
healed if I can just touch to him just
the bottom of his robe I'll be healed
that's what that woman Eve if I can do
it wow I did it so much so that reality
created a he even she got healed but he
even felt it he's like whoa what was
that so I felt I felt the virtue leave
me when she touched me you know and it's
the level of expectation you know if I
can just touch him if I can move through
the crowd if I can let me let's let's
take the you know the roof off of this
building in you know lower in my
paraplegic friend while he's speaking
because we can't move through the crowd
and just moving to these different acts
and just the levels of expectation which
are all throughout the Bible it is the
placebo you know maybe if his shadow
touches me it can heal me if a shadow
falls upon me maybe if it's handkerchief
take the head chef if you'll get me his
handkerchief I'll be healed you know in
that handkerchief does not hold any
power the primer is your
justise thinking that it does same thing
with signs and symbols and statues and
crosses and all of this kind of stuff
it's about the different thought power
that we give we almost create we're
creating it as we think it but uh you
know it's the level of expectation I
remember even just a couple of years ago
because I hadn't been to church in a
while it's I can't really go I'm from a
small town and can't really go to
churches around here but todd Bentley
and he was one who I persecuted he he
was kicking people healing them the foot
but there was a time when I was real
deep into my scriptures I was we were
buchen those guys and calling them false
prophets and he fell into sin and all
this kind of stuff happened you know he
was cheating on his wife but uh anyway
he went through restoration got restored
and then he's preaching again and then
the whole truthers would even show up
and stand up while he was preaching and
you come get a preacher in false
doctrine like they would follow him
around and do that but anyway he was
preaching about two and a half hours
away and I was like I'm in this space of
more of a more conscious more accepting
more loving I could see God working in
all things you know so I'm like you know
what I'd like to go check him out so we
drove two and a half hours away and
we're looking forward to an encounter
right and I can go to a church and enjoy
the service without being judged and now
having those eyes on me and gossiping or
is he if he's here I'm leaving you're
letting him in I'm leaving like all this
weird stuff that goes on so I went there
we drove two and a half hours me and a
friend of mine beautiful encounter he
just was just talking about his
encounter and just you know there was
the glory was in there like it literally
was a good encounter for everyone but I
I expected it it could have been crap
and I still would have got sighted out
of it because I wanted to drive to get
something out of my level of expectation
met it so just a perfect place for
miracles to flow and for healing to be
to take place within my soul not
physically I'm pretty good but you don't
say in my spirit and and forgiveness and
word curses washing off of me as he
teaches the word you know and how our
hearts are burning within us when he
shared about us
the good news you know what I'm saying
and to really be able to experience that
and it's the level of expectation you
know and that's we have to laugh to be
able to raise that or lower that or turn
off and turn on just without with all of
the stuff the spirituality spiritual
giftings and abilities and and a lot of
people can't you know and well they just
turn it all the way off and say it's all
demonic that's what I'm doing you say
expectation because I've made I know
services before what people say there is
a witch in here there's a warlock in
here and it creates all this crowd hi
it's huge for me it's cute at this point
because I know when people start talking
that most of them don't have power or
discernment that's just what we do
moving intimidation and stuff like that
it's just really funny why don't you go
call it personnel if your spirit is
identifying that strong with you and
telling you that spirit also can give
you a name and a phone number
yeah so why did you go out and know I'm
a medium so I would I do group session
whatever I called about saying you right
there your brother your brother's coming
through his name is John right he passed
through two months ago died of a car
accident they took him to the hospital
he died two hours later I get that
specific so I talked about me or people
that can't do that
I just rarely see that in the church
side of things I even back to what you
say if people don't know me it's funny I
was coming back from the airport
yesterday from back from Salem and I get
into the car and driving home and it
turns out that the lyft driver is a
bishop that's 56 books christian i mean
international ministry the whole nine
yards he's he said he'd likes to do this
because you know it's fun prayer
whatever doing it lyft driver uber
driver yeah well he does want to say
like I know the jerk I'm not talking
about Who I am not saying we're not
being not saying any of that and the
conversation goes very typically like
this nine times out of team you are so
powerful God has the call of your life
this is so great I could just feel it on
you
and oh god all on you and I'm like which
power do you feel right now about which
authority are you speaking yeah you guys
know you I think your language you're
identified with all the witchcraft I've
been do it for the last five days and
all the demons I've been called it up
and all that angels I've been working
with so apparently your dog is really in
love with me
and how many turns up in it if I go on
to a church but they don't know me now
saying I am prophet cow and Witcher or I
am just prophet Calvin yeah they will
say so nice to have you here beloved
they will walk my little black ball ass
right up to the front for the second you
give your microphone say what God is
doing in the spirit yeah yeah yeah
because you don't know and you did not
discern and if you want that powerful
somebody in this church should have
recognized me coming in here oh yeah
that's deep just a bad guy if you are a
bad guy if all the bad guy there's
somebody here and I see you on TV and I
see you on the world network and I see
you won't impact network in all these
places and I've been at those churches
with these guys I've been a small
churches as well and I'll be right there
on the front row while they're talking
about you know these demons that we
there's so much power here there would
never be any other you know demonic
spirits even allowed in here yeah and
those would be the same people that five
minutes from now they'll be on Facebook
on this YouTube channel talk about the
power of Jesus against you but you
didn't disturb me when I was in your
church sitting right beside you
yeah so yeah you have the power that was
a big thing early on it me always made
me think because we would always have we
would create the environments in
churches and get lost in worship and
dancing in the churches in healings and
just love on the Lord and it was
beautiful and people prophesying of
people getting healed and stuff and I
remember the guy who led me to the Lord
years ago somebody told him he came to
the church and you know it's a fat
Church family a family of 500 people
like that's that's a lot of strangers
but that's some strangers there too
but the guy kind of rebuked them just
through conversation and said you guys
are listening to the spirit here in the
prophetic you know and God's working in
all this but say you can't discern the
child molesters in here you guys are
letting your children run around the
churches while y'all are laying on hands
and your kids are running back and forth
your toddlers sitting in the laps of
convicted child molesters and you can't
even discern it you can't say that but
you guys are prophesying huh you guys
are healing and hearing the voice of God
okay so that made me thank us that man
that's deep man intellect will shut
everybody they'll don't say your spirit
should tell you that if your spirit is
and here's the funny thing most
prophetic words like that or call out
sessions yeah personal conversation this
was yeah so Universal or generic in
nature like I've talked about this
before you know a prophet one into a
predominantly african-american church in
the south saying there's someone right
nail in this church God is telling me
five people are getting healed of high
blood pressure
well Ninja is predominately black in the
South if I check it all damn day I'm
sure they're like 90% of this church is
dealing with high blood pressure
hypertension
that ain't no well you already know what
you learn you learn you know what though
but there is some truth to that because
you learned that and so when it was like
speaking prophetically I mean the word
you know to scripturally just to
prophesy we're not to my words of
knowledge that's different but the
prophesy is literally just to declare
the Oracles of God declare the promises
of God you're gonna be healed you're
gonna be restored all God is making all
things new right now in Jesus name all
things are new like you didn't get a
word of knowledge you're you're
prophesying as the Oracle I guess so we
learn okay on the best people group I
know what they're dealing with I've
learned this in that in that
conversation in that declaration you are
still dealing with spirits
ungodly beliefs loosing financial words
of wisdom just through your conversation
so it can get really deep in there's
layers to it with the power of creating
through the word and that's why the word
is powerful sharper than any two-edged
sword that we can create that we can
tear down that we can build up just
through our conversation going back to
Solomon which is where I get this from
Solomon dealing with the Queen of the
South is what the King James calls her
but Solomon dealing with Queen Sheba who
had all of these questions and all of
these things that she had devised up to
be able to prove Solomon to be a fraud
and his God was nothing I want to meet
with you and we're gonna have a debate
and I've got all these hard questions
and it says that that they met she
brought all of her men he brought him
and he went with the prophets they had a
debate he answered every single one of
her questions and at that moment when he
did the evil spirit left her this was to
a conversation yes this was spirits that
were silenced ungodly blames I'm stupid
I'm never you know I'm an outcast I'll
never have enough money little stupid
things that we believe with their lies
their ungodly beliefs you know and just
in that just the practicality of a
conversation to be intentional in a
conversation to be casting out and
moving spirits and clearing they don't
even know they think you're had they're
having a conversation with a random
stranger but you know navigating through
with them spirits man tearing down all
strongholds that exalt themselves
against the knowledge of Christ which is
everything good for you I mean that's
the gospel man my friends they're like
who still like the hardcore Street
Preachers uh those self the Lord not
they want me to be doing that I might
look the gospel is the good news man all
of it not just the cross y'all stop at
the cross what about the renewed mind
that's right so - let's talk about
renewing the mind and and which area all
of it the witchcraft the word curses all
of the when I say which guy I'm talking
about all of the you know the bag I know
the word has the connotation but the
baggage that because witchcraft was
being like eat dark which guy was going
on in the church
because of ungodly beliefs and if you
don't tithe you're not gonna be blessed
and God is against you all of these
weird things that we've been taught in
church that have put people in um same
or bondage in general man and it's crazy
but we understand just a power of a
conversation bro it's deep Oh joking
we'll say you know the the gospel is the
good spell it's the good spell because
it's all incantations it's all spells
it's all word smithing in a sense it is
us giving you another word for you
that opens up a different way for you
honestly that's really all it is
prophecy if I had to even break it down
is to say I haven't introduced in a
different way for you to journey that's
it you're sick right now God declares
you hole and heal that is prophecy it is
me paving the way for you yeah or an of
knowledge is me saying you have been
dealing with this sickness for 14 years
like the woman it would you should well
you've been dealing with this a property
that's the word now it's not a prophecy
and there's sometimes the width of kids
in and say okay the way for your healing
to occur is for you to cut down on them
carbs
stop eating all that fried chicken fried
chicken don't go to McDonald's yeah you
don't understand like you've been
floating back and forth between several
of these giftings at the same time it's
prophetic it's worth the knowledge is
words of wisdom no different than a
prophet and the psychic and then a
counselor coming in working all three of
those modalities at the same time so
when I started bring it now even
spiritual gifts mm-hmm it made a hell of
a lot more sense of my own
I'm operated as a prophet nail and now
I'm operating as a psychic and most
church clubs are actually more psychic
yeah exactly and I'll argue this on so
many different occasion like okay if I
take a psychic a good psychic yeah and
what about gives a good church prophet
they do the same thing exactly it's all
the same thing they reveal what is there
right now yeah and probably don't
necessarily do that
they're creating a path that is to come
pushing you towards that space giving
you your divine destiny so you align up
with your calling in life very very
different and so it's always funny when
I hear people talk like no I got a lot
of psychics in this church so it's
refreshing it's really I like I like the
fact that you use the word counselor
there because that's something that goes
overlooked and in the book of
Corinthians chapter 14 really where it's
kind of giving you an overview about
prophecy you said counselor but there's
another role that's supposed to be there
that we kind of overlook and it doesn't
say the word counseling the King James
it says the word it says a judge let
someone who doesn't have a hand in the
stake be there to judge the word
yes how many times have you been to a
prophetic line where they're like
there's a book in you you got seven
books the Lord's got and they're just
making stuff up because they learn how
to do it they're not even they're not
even proclaiming freedom and and
prophetically with the word and
prophesying but they're just like making
up words of knowledge that you know man
it's dude you know but people are
feeling it you know but they're making
it up you can read through it and
there's supposed to be someone maybe at
that moment I was supposed to be the
judge hold on brother
no go ahead but deeper what is I want
you to hear really hear what God is
saying to them well you know what I'm
saying and to have to be able to judge
that that was a row that was supposed to
be their move in a prophetic and that
you don't see that they just let stuff
slide and when you do it's rarely and
I'll say this I used to have a company
of puppets in Tennessee you read it's so
rare to see this because how can in an
effective structure I'll say it this way
in an effective structure how it would
be is so much to their prophesy to
someone's life I see you with how it
causes a car and within 10 years you
will be a launching being in there and
then the other prophet hands at all to
say what do you see under that vantage
point of spirit for their life yes that
is going to happen but you need to make
sure that you go back to school so
really saying that you've had a hard
time with being faithful in the little
things that you get easily distracted
you know and so in order for this
destiny to occur God also need to work
on your heart of discouragement and also
consistency you know and then another
prophet comes the honest say and you
need to be okay that is actually the
best version of it and because wisdom is
found in the multitude of counsel and
it's what a lot of prophets
I had counseled a ecologist yeah most in
the whole Testament but it occurred
schools of prophet to Rosa the school
the schools of prophets and that's the
best way to for it to actually happen
so I working all those modalities set up
when I'm talking to people are doing
readings I'll tell people okay this is
the prophetic word over your life here's
what I see you going here's what I see
you doing yeah a lot of times with me
the prophecy brings us the past so I'll
say like you're meant to lead women into
a place of financial freedom you have
trouble with that because when you were
10 years old and you were reading books
on financial freedom you got ridiculed
and picked on by your family and you
switch that part of you which is your
destiny and so yes God wants this for
you and you want this for you but I need
to heal the inner child of
discouragement also within you it's all
kind of bridging back and forth and then
I'll say well psychically here's what's
happening right now you're so distracted
with this boo that you got and you know
he's so cute and so fine it's a
wonderful but he stepped on board for
you've had in six months we need to get
your mind right boo and then the
counselor side says remember that thing
I've talked about with you're 10 years
old you have a need for love you know or
or love and belonging has you know
Maslow would say you need to work
through that space or you know you were
abused six years ago by your husband and
you're still seeking attention with all
these horrible relationships in your
life yeah that's good counsel and if
someone can't do that by themselves they
need a group of people around to help
that person out or what else it becomes
a a word that's very difficult to work
it becomes very empty in compromise so
what so what about a parking lot prophet
have you heard that term
but in the bathroom they catch you in a
bath ahead Lord but here's the
interesting thing about parking lot
province because we I grew up around a
parking lot prophets yeah how to
conversations you gotta start somewhere
though right you gotta start somewhere
and what happened was a lot of parking
lot prophets ended up becoming parking
lot problems because they didn't have
fathers in the spirit recognize their
gift recognize it they were apostolic or
prophetic that could nurse with their
gifts so as a consequence the Prophet
we're trying to exercise what their gift
is were and they were CS heretical and
or committee shut down yeah right and
most problems are actually very
heretical because they see beyond what
it's being the traditional teachings are
so as a consequence the church push them
into the parking lot yeah and then to
how does that need for significance and
that need to be of service to their
calling yeah they get it fair and the
thing about the prophetic is very much
that Kundalini energy when it's there
and you've got to release it it's and so
exact as weird dynamic you almost feel
like you're not servicing people by not
giving them that pathetic world and so
it's in you like no I'm sound like
Jeremiah I got a fire my bones that I
can't keep yeah
here's the funny thing - I'll say this
and I say there's another conversation I
said let me rephrase it
most are many of the witches warlocks
magicians parking lot prophets heretical
people and heretics out in the world
were created by the church yeah the
church pushed them out the church
demonized him the church you know
emotionally psychologically spiritually
abusive the the church didn't let them
in the good-old-boy circle the church
didn't let them pay their way to the
higher echelon the church did not
properly equipped trained and you know
ministered to them and the church
created those heretics that's where that
came from the church that operating that
power and people have that earning and
that yearning
because that was their destiny so they
went out there and they got it so you
created this hybrid which whatever you
want to call us you know what I'm saying
whatever you push this in in this or
whatever you know in that that's the
truth man and and for those listening
who disagree with what we're saying or
it sounds so far out there listen
there's something you can learn from
this man just don't let don't let it
happen again you be able to just see it
happening that's why we're here and we
have to have our we have to be crucified
take apart cross or whatever and be a
forerunner really of what's what this is
becoming and this is new you don't have
a lot of people paving paving the way
showing you how to do this right there's
a lot of chances a lot of things you
probably got wrong and trying to
fine-tune it and things along the way
and figuring out who you are because you
don't have those people who are just
open for you to be who you are that's
why the scripture breaks it down and it
says that the Spirit of the Prophet is
subject so the Prophet you gonna go to
the pastor and tell them about those
dreams they're not all pretty peachy
dreams they're not all well I just seen
the earth being destroyed like I've seen
a name you got a dig and there's symbols
and signs and God uses whatever you've
watched over the years in your life
horror movies and sexual scenarios crazy
stuff that represents things to you that
you see that will drive you mad if you
don't have someone to talk to you can't
go to the pastor about that I'm not it
what the hell are you talking about
pastor nobody ghost pastor never woke up
with with spirits in front of them that
look like smoke changing shape
communicating to you you know who has
job job chapter four he has so there's
your biblical reference who can I talk
to damn sure can talk to the pastor
we're gonna find prophets where's the
prophet well we've we've kicked them out
we've kicked them out we've pushed them
to the parking lot they've started their
own churches and even make fun of them
dude these big name preachers at that
I've listened to they call them you know
what they call them where they go out
and you go out and start your own
ministry
column enough jinsan Franklin I love
that guy but he's made fun of him all
the big name dates they call him
storefront abominations you've went out
and started a storefront abomination
because you've bought a storefront and
started your own church because you got
offended and got mad and left they
heckle you from the pulpits this is what
we're dealing with oh just come back to
church man this dude's heckling me you
don't even know you don't know what
we've been through you just come back
man thank you for saying that too
because they're bunch of little kids it
becomes very childish in nature know
what they're doing my conversation
they're like well you're talking so
badly you're not actually a part of the
broader conversation because you don't
hear what actually gets say it and done
and manipulated for our for people like
us and we're not even coming against
people is this okay you step it into the
pulpit to talk about another church or
denomination or faith yeah how does that
actually encourage the single mother of
three kids to do better when she leaves
the church like what is it what does
that have to do with anything well they
have to do that that's one thing that
you notice and I'm sure you've seen this
definitely be an object room you've seen
that you have to that's what I try to
stare I try not to do it because I learn
this and I see the spirit behind it but
you have like downplay other ministries
and other faiths and other denominations
so that you build like subconsciously
you want to draw people to your ministry
oh stay away from them they they do man
I've seen them do this and do that and
they believe speaking in tongues and
they believe this and you saw you
downplay these other ministers and other
denominations so that you'll keep the
people with you you know no saying that
happens all the time and I would you
would think that there's like outer
fringes of Christianity I mean you still
someone who believes that the Scriptures
have power and believe you would think
that you would stick together with the
people on the fringes and say hey look I
know we're all outcasts man let's put
our heads together let's work together
but it's still happening on the fringes
because they have this little bitty
piece of something that they
got a lot of French people and tithers
so you know and they have to try to keep
them in their fighting I'm like man when
I seen that even in those circles man it
just you see the spirit behind it when
you walk into sermon and it sucks men it
sucks it's heartbreaking
and it's humorous on so many levels is
like you work with demons okay what you
don't even know what that means me I
might be working with a demon or angel
for financial abundance or for you know
getting more clients or whatever the
case is
oh my well homie you're doing a
Christian divination all day long your
scripture says that if you find that the
deep that thief's been oh shoot and
you're in you're not been in these
churches not was even taught this like
you know you know Satan we bind you up
in the name of Jesus right now and the
Bible says if you catch a thief or the
thief
owes you 70 times them over and right
now I'm commanded you Satan to bring me
back everything that you stole from me
and even the more you know what you just
did you just did a ceremony where you
are evoking that spirit to do your
bidding yeah I don't know how to tell
you boo you just need one witches do
well actually not a lot of which is more
a coaches to you did you know same right
now I bind you in the name of Jesus up
yeah I called you to go here and do this
you're giving that demon orders I don't
care about what Howard you do it but
don't give it any vocation let me let me
let me let me send this to you because I
don't have a lot of I don't I don't
consider myself one who this is all new
to me honestly as far as working with
demons but I do I don't I don't summon
them I don't you don't evoke them into
go out and do bidding side that's that's
foreign I work with them as far as like
the Lord sends them to me for scepter to
buff at me I don't and I honored that
and I know why they're here and I have a
relationship with them you know it in a
relationship changes over time that's
about the extent that I know in this
deep they all work together for a reason
but I don't know about summoning them
and getting them to help asking them to
give me jobs so I don't know the extent
of where that goes
angels maybe you know what I'm saying
good spirits but the word demon is like
a scary word
so I don't know much about that I will
say that I had a friend of mine from
Germany hit me up he was following a
minister out of Florida and they were
teaching him first of all they told him
that Jesus was dealing with the spirit
of Mammon and Jesus like worked with
that spirit or something so I don't know
much about that he told me that but then
he said that he's called he has a hand
of God on his life he's following Jesus
or whatever but he would rather work
with demons because it's easier he said
he said the you know kind of like what
we're talking about the Holy Spirit
you can't drink you can't party you
can't cheat you can't you know there's a
it's a the highway of holiness is a thin
line so he recognized that and said I'm
not gonna really do that I'm gonna work
with these lesser spirits because the
Holy Spirit but it was because of
default though it was because he worked
a hard job his job was very demanding
and he knew that he really couldn't walk
in that level of integrity and give it
the energy that he needed so he was just
gonna kind of bow out not that he was
against it but he would just rather work
with these lower spirits that were
easier to navigate through is that make
any sense at all
they know what they're doing is
impossible you just you can't even read
that and be able to articulate it the
way he did you just can't and so again
going back to what I said before at the
top of the you know the broadcast which
is those demons came from pretty much
the offspring of these higher entities
well if you weren't with more the
children demons then they knew what
children do which is quite honestly
we're adults right now if we went into
any space you know and most children
would be subject to adults so we were
tell a child don't do this you're gonna
get in trouble that's gonna hurt you sit
here wait here where's your mom where
today they would follow a structures
almost instinctively because you are the
adult it's just a positional hierarchy
thing so any when it comes to demons
most of the time it's just a positional
thing is I am the adult I am the Christ
as far as you're concerned in this
particular situation you're subject to
me so they do it in a very unfiltered
way but they also don't care about the
consequences that follow and that can be
a challenge because sometimes the spirit
that particular sphere would do
something if you wanted to make more
money
oh great I'm gonna make you get fired
lose your job and you're gonna go a
month you without a job but you're gonna
get connected with somebody at the
grocery store they're gonna give your
job and you're gonna make more money but
you went through two months of hail the
demon needed an angel doesn't it work
that way they want you to be a little
more specific you have to make it so you
have that you have to actually make that
that pact you like you you have to like
engage that because I kind of see it and
in my realm it would be like Inc
communicate with God Father I want a
better job right from a Christian
perspective I want a better job I hate
this job
I'm meant for greatness and I'm stuck
bagging groceries and then I see God
loosing the demons to you know fire you
know get you fired or or or the spirits
or the angels or whoever he the God
deals with all types of it's not just I
mean even the word angel that just
simply means a messenger right so it's
not like it like an angel is a like a
ranking we just depends on what type of
messenger that sends for and actually
loses that on the earth for you to walk
in that right that's how the that's how
scripturally it worked so I see it like
that is that kind of how it goes or you
can kind of like for answers they're
there the regular demons then their
familiars then there are Dukes there
lowers their Kings their rules or
instrumentalities that happen I think
it's the true with Ages are all angels
are you know created equal there are
messenger angels that Angelo's in the
Greek then you have the the cherubs the
Serbs you also have
luminaries so there are different the
Elohim Elohim is actually a group of
angels in Angela G not specifically
deities that you know even with in
Genesis when it says and God said let us
retain his action not the divine creator
is actually angels but you like of the
Elohim that created this existed that's
probably way too much for a lot of no
yes hey that's fast that's what my
existence according to the scriptures a
group of angels order I think they're
like the third I don't have it on top of
mine right now look like a third order
of angels they created that so when you
start talking about 3d reality and
things like that all those things come
together it makes sense because that's
the nature of those particular beings so
yeah some of those demons say it depends
on who you're working with they they
show up a little bit Jeff Lee quite
honestly ain't just caused a lot of
chaos he crazy just - yeah the Holy
Spirit like we were saying you know I
look at it this way if someone prays
this is a good like I think it's with
prophecy all the time when God speaks a
word again through the prophetic word
when God speaks a word God speaks all
words at the same time it has never
isolated word ever if I tell someone I'm
gonna give you this example and related
back to angels and demons if I say
Timothy Timothy within two months you
are going to get a job that you have
been watching and you were to school for
and it is going to be your child is
gonna happen
within 60 days that's pathetic work that
word without and then a thousand other
words without - to make that work come
to pass which means someone may be in
that job position right nail and that
person needs to be moved out into
another company or they get fired that
has to occur and then also your company
has to be pretty profitable enough in
order for you to go into another higher
position making more money which means
that they need to be patronized by
clients which means clients also to
making more money which means that where
they're getting their money from they're
all cease to be making money and so for
the so long there's a whole strength of
things that have to happen and do happen
for one word to come to past your boss
needs to give you favor and see you as a
asset and not a liability in this
particular company so many things have
to occur the government needs to make
sure they don't tax the business strong
enough where there's more money going
out in taxes and your bosses thinking
about closing the business sale and
they're thinking about the next five
years when God speaks one word a
thousand words or initiated at that same
time now the question is if you are
going for a position and you ask God I
really want that promotion and somebody
has the position right now if that
person gets fired was the angel or was
it a demon was it good or was it bad for
that person that lost their job it was
probably very demonic it was evil it was
the worst thing to ever happen to them
but for you it's the favor of God it's
the Messenger of God is the angels that
are doing the beating of the most high
so on one aspect of spectrum you have
angelic force and on the other level you
have this demonic force that demonic
force was somebody losing their job may
cause them to drink more go into
depression start a string of domestic
violence lose their children in the
process as someone was saying you are
under demonic attack and I will then say
probably caused by the church person and
their profit that it's the to ditch that
prophetic word that says that is my job
position I am praying that God gives me
that job and then I'll say you caused
that person to go down and strength of
domestic violence of these losing their
children I have no idea I have no idea
and here's the funny thing your people
aren't teaching you that way the weird
thing is that's the beauty and the
blueprint I mean that's the essence of a
prayer man like that breaking down how
prayers work that's how I just praying
God hears me or let's go back you didn't
even cover this the prayers rising as an
incense and your good deeds in your arms
rising as incense to actually make it to
the Father
or Michael carrying your prayers to
heaven as the Bible says we haven't
recovered that this all we do is pray
father I'm asking for that new job in
Jesus name and you're talking about all
of this alchemy in the beauty in the
blueprint of how this stuff works
not everybody cares about it that's
beyond like they don't care what it is
we do you don't care it's just like you
don't care and you don't want to know
because really what you did is you at
that one time you said angels everything
angels are bad I'm a angel of good at
divas a bad witch they're not but let's
just say it for the sake of argument you
said all the good because the angels
hawking it to the boss of the world
that's even scripture but the age
talking to the most of the work they're
all angels even demons or angels so when
you see you're telling the good angels
give me favor you're also telling the
bad eggs at that time I want you to
wreck [Â __Â ] up that's what you're singing
and then you're saying the whole
environment
the energies I want you to make way for
all of what I want and that will
actually occur as you speak it unless
the other person institute their
prayerful magic into the conversation
and then we have whose prayer whose
deity whose source is going to win that
conversation it almost breaks down the
whole who is it Elijah going against the
prophets of bale of like who's gonna
believe it like just like you say you
say that you speak that out and it goes
back to throwing your pearls before
swine which the Lord says do not do so
you send forth this prayer you ask the
Father you believe in acts arnis
expectation you hear a teaching you get
shut down you throw your pearls before
swine and then someone shut you down and
then therefore that whole prayer that
expectation it's just shut down
it's they cancelled it with their word
curse life and within the power of the
tongue so before even with healing
healing is mostly death work mostly
black magic in this sense if I pray I
pray right now that this person gets
healed of cancer two things are
simultaneously occurring one I am
praying that there the the metaphysical
chemical makeup of their body and their
immune system gets elevated to a point
that it sustains the energy of health
that's one two I'm also instituting a
curse against every cancer sale so one
word I'm instituting the life and I'm
also providing death to cancer it is
nothing but sorcery back and forth it is
magic back and forth like just be aware
what you're doing that's the spiritual
aspect and lets you know cancerous cells
I mean all of this is are so beautiful
and so deep because it gets down to what
the ancients believed what was a spirit
of infirmity
they had these different prayers and
invocations against or evoke Asians
against parasites in these parasites
that lived on the body and so you're
literally killing them your little
spiritual warfare against these entities
microscopic organisms that exist in the
body and so we're doing that literally
with a prayer and then we're doing it
when we bathe every time we bathes we're
doing you know we're killing it when we
sneeze and we'd take cough syrup or
whatever the case is we're doing this
weird spiritual warfare that happens
within us on us and then spiritually the
different types of entities or organisms
that are very similar they're
microscopic the only way you can see
those guys they're there the only way
you can see them is with a well trained
eye which is a microscope right we would
say the third eye in the spirit so that
we can see people can see what's going
on less people who can see I had a
conversation with a friend of mine
earlier who was able to see the squiggly
lines in the little pair in in the ether
he can see them you know and so for him
to have that he can't have that
conversation with everyone don't think
he's mad
he can't go to his pastor and have that
conversation son we're gonna pray that
off of you in Jesus name you know they
don't don't recognize it so but it's
happening and it's happening in this
spirit and it's it's very much like the
parasites that feed off of other
organisms in the parasites in the spirit
realm the demons or the the entities
that exist they feed off of your joy
they feed off of your depression they
feed off of alcoholism
you know they feed off of all of this
off and that's where they if you
entertaining these type of things in the
you know in in reality in the spirit
realm when you when you break dude
you're gonna encounter those entities
let's change let's shift gears a little
bit we've been talking about a lot of
this what are the warnings right there's
a lot of false teeth okay so just with
these well I want to get into the
warnings with spiritism and witchcraft
and all this stuff but I think we've
been given warnings about the church
realm right because there's so many
warnings you don't even know you just
accept it all is good in the churches a
lot of warnings there you can get
possessed you can get oppression ungodly
beliefs that many church people are
dealing with right when I just a quick
background on my testimony I come out of
witchcraft as a teenager I was just
trying to really make pacts with
entities and had some encounter with
beings that elemental spirits that came
and manifest it and knocked me and my
husband down I stole from a warlock who
was real powerful wasn't a good idea
ended up getting possessed we would do
open up and spells and incantations to
all these spirits I wanted to see
something come through if this guy had
that power I wanted it to he would teach
that kind of stuff but ended up getting
possessed from it being sucked in and
out of portals I couldn't turn it on or
off they would try to speak to me in
foreign languages had no idea what they
were saying and it was scary I we would
be watching television and I'm sucked
into a realm my heart's racing
I turned pale get really cold shaking
and my mind is being taken away from me
by these spirits it was scary
I didn't like it I didn't obviously I
did it the wrong way I was just doing
all these incantations hey if you're out
there open
come through I want ya you know and I
would do it i do like 17 different
making packs trying to trying to see
something i got possessed there's a way
to do it and not to do it so when it
comes when when I came to Christ I was
going schizophrenic had voices speaking
to me couldn't look anyone in the eye I
knew what people were thinking like it
was so overwhelming I was a teenager I
ran to church I ran to Christ because I
had been in the church a couple years
before filled with the Holy Spirit went
back to that beautiful encounter that
was in September 7th of 2000 that I went
back to his Lord been walking with him
ever since when I was coming out of that
if someone would lit incense around me
I got scared my heart would race I
thought because they were reminded me of
those demons that I weren't in since -
these demons and stuff not knowing that
incense is biblical you know what I'm
saying the pressed wood like incense as
they prayed and that the aroma carried
to heaven right so much stuff that that
we see but there's a right way in a
wrong way to do things what are the
fears because we don't lightworkers we
want to talk about the light we want a
glory in the light because there's so
much darkness out there you know what
I'm saying what are the dangers of or is
there any doubt just from your
perspective we want to say be careful
but we don't want to stifle exploration
be careful but what would you say I
think you said it perfectly its explore
mindfully because the interesting thing
about the demonic world is most of it is
power driven just just don't work around
with it and people that are actually
working in that space they understand it
it's mostly driven by powers or let me
rephrase that because power is the form
of demonic orders but driven by power
itself possession is a thing I'd like to
look at it as more partnering anything
other than partnering or possession is
mostly psychosis for people and I find
that most people that are working in the
space the majority are actually more and
it is myself psychosis or delusion which
interested enough could actually be
demonic depending on who you're working
with and so a lot of times what I find
is that people are in search so much for
something to happen then they start to
create and imagine it happening and it
goes into a huge form of psychosis where
it's kind of what you met before in the
church at the top of the story it's like
you know you kind of feel like you're
going crazy you know making stuff up you
feel like you're losing your mind that
can happen actually very easily in this
space so I always caution people to be
careful be mindful it's not an area that
you want to dabble in it's not an area
you want to play in it's definitely not
an area you want to play in if you don't
have a stability of mind if you're a
person that is not a person that works
off a respect and honor you're gonna
have a very difficult time we're the
pages or deep this if you're a person is
disrespectful either side you're gonna
have a problem with either one they're
not gonna answer you or chew you're not
going to discern who you're working with
which is a problem
yeah and I've seen angels and demons bus
peoples handle it physically and it also
environmentally or consequence
consequently so I would say I would
arguably like anything else
the real teaching is not coming through
a youtube channel and it's not coming
through a book it's just not you need to
get around people that could actually
make sure you work with you train you
what do you call it a church or a coven
or mentor or master sanction situation I
have found that most people that have
had issues with demons did not have
mentors in my just in my experience
almost everyone I've ever heard that
says because I haven't experienced this
week to what someone is like all I got
into you know witchcraft than this and
they were talking about their Christian
ale they gave it all up and the next
question always come out comes out
online every single time is did you have
training and every single time the
answer is no yeah you know what it's
funny you say that because someone
pretty much asked me that cuz we took
all of our books there had like 40 books
mind you I stole all of these books when
I was doing in a disrespectful manner of
stealing yes yes yeah and robbing people
and modeling rugs angels and demons that
you value it coming to you by any means
necessary means necessary Oh Kevin gates
why is it okay for me to rob a bull but
it's not okay for the demon to rob your
body yeah
it's principle so fictional understand
yeah what you're entertaining physically
there's beings that are attached with
all of that kind of stuff the angels and
demons or whatever if you're doing if
you're doing high vibrational stuff
we'll say that if you're doing good arms
as the Bible would say like Cornelius
and God says hey I've seen what you've
been doing I want to work with you God
says that right and it's the same way if
you if you tap into the spirit you're
going to see those entities that you're
entertaining on that level if you're
robbing stealing cheating okay so some
meditation I'm gonna do some astral
travel hints while you see hundreds of
videos that say don't astral travel what
were you doing what were you doing when
you tapped in you know I'm saying but if
you're vibrating hi on this side I don't
deal with demons like that right and I
tap into the spirit realm I meditate I
deal with demons and they come to my
life but they have to ask for permission
you know what I'm saying but it's not
like I go into the astral realm and
demons are trying to take over my mind
and possess me and all that kind of
stuff which used to happen right but
it's because I don't do the things that
I used to do I learned from my mistakes
and that's how we're all supposed to do
but yeah you have to figure you got what
are you doing I look at like this I
think again angels or demons but
specifically demons it's so funny I'll
say the same thing you should not be
working with demons if
you don't know that the sky is the sort
of color the sky is blue the sky is not
orange this guy's not purple
I don't worry your [Â __Â ] about what
the sky is really not even blue is
actually you know uh you know reflecting
the sun rays and it's not other [Â __Â ]
you need to make a decision you know and
so even with that I could put scriptures
with it you know the unstable my person
is us the double minded man is unstable
in all his ways let that man not think
he'll get anything from the Lord so if
you go into that realm thinking you're
gonna get something for my spirit and oh
I want to work with a spirit but I also
think they're bad you're double minded
you won't get anything from that spirit
yeah you know that's talk it also talks
about dealing with the feeble-minded too
that we have people those people well
here's the thing feeble-minded those who
are easily impressioned which were many
people in the church just because a lot
of them come out of drug addiction a lot
of them come out of abusive
relationships they need someone I mean
religions good if you use it the right
way right people need to be told what to
do the word you know religion comes from
religio which means to bind or to hold
back some people need to be told when to
go to the bathroom when to eat dinner
hey look it's it's 11 o'clock
you got to work tomorrow go to sleep
like if some people it just doesn't
click right that you know it's just just
a weird date they operate differently
they need structure they need something
that you don't say make sense so it
works for those people they need it
because if not you're just gonna be out
there just doing things and and and and
uh you know it's not it's not gonna be
good it doesn't end well for those
people who are who you're required to
educate yourself in this space and I
think that's where most of us are not
successful is it requires for you to
understand who you are
yeah it cries for you to deal with your
personal demons first yeah product doing
anything else because here's the funny
thing if I work with my own personal
demons the exchange is me the shake is
my effort if I worked with another demon
what are we
want to give them to work with and for
me there have to be a medium to a [Â __Â ]
talk I've got all examining my person
teams have a vested interest because
it's survivable it's a lot of different
things but let me work with the extra
entity or outside agency there are a lot
of things that go along with that and so
every pause for you to study it requests
for you to be consistent every possibly
to know who and what you're calling on
and if you go into that space and you do
not probably discern and are not
dedicated to it yeah it's gonna cause
problems I mean it's I don't know how to
say that and it's not an issue of that
demon is bad is that you are in a pro
okay I'll look at it this way if there
was a gas leak in your house if you do
not have a level of education that tells
you oh that smell is a gas leak but you
start thinking oh so spiritual I'm gonna
light some you know like these incense
right now and I'm just gonna you know I
don't know what that smell is
it's okay it's probably just the
neighbors or something your ass is gonna
die you can blow your house up don't
think about the incense and light of
that match my nail you need to go
investigate the leaks and so a lot of
times as an example sometimes out when
I'm teaching people like listen don't be
so focused on the phone line in the end
doesn't have its own experience because
that actually make you you you may need
to focus on the links focus on you know
the little speck in your own eye or the
mote in your own eyes yeah you know
focus on that first
and then less worry about everything
else because it can be a very
challenging and something I'll agree you
can open up doors that you can't shut
and if you go engage into a relationship
with another being that is more powerful
than you and you are here's the problem
to most persons wouldn't do well in
demonology anyway because they only have
the pathos of the heat the ideology that
you are a lonely filthy rag you can do
nothing except Christ which means you're
already putting yourself in a stage of
servant servanthood yeah oh so sorry
it to those demons you are going to get
possessed yeah Alice by nature that is
what these entities do they work off of
power they don't and so and so people
would listen to say I'm glad I don't do
that I'm glad I don't have to worry
about that but they're entertaining
these spirits unaware and they're going
because you're possessed of the holy
spirit and that spirit is telling you
what to do and that's in Deming you that
you're not living up to the call of
excellence on your life and you're
dealing with you know you're not dealing
with possession but you aren't dealing
with deep pressure because you engaged
in that holy spirit that's causing you
to be better and not sleep around to be
a [Â __Â ] and not to protect this and not
you know steal that book from the
grocery store yo and not go back and pay
that $5.00 where you knew you should
have paid for and that conviction you
know yes the Holy Spirit is opposed
after man absolutely
you're still possessed it still demanded
something of you you just gave it a
thought it's not the whole I think the
Holy Spirit is like the the orchestrator
of that and it allows me and other
spirits to come in spirit of depression
spirit of deep sleep spirit of confusion
right yeah like the Holy Spirit of the
pranayama the Kundalini is like the life
force that or efforts that it which I
believe is the the light it talks about
in the book of John that Jesus is the
light that lighteth every man that
cometh into the world I think it's that
same spirit that lighteth every man if
there's a light I mean the Hindus
literally believe that well you know
what we see the Sacred Heart of Christ
with Jesus with burning heart that you
literally have a fire within you like a
literal fire you may need a prophet or
someone to breathe upon that to bring
that to life but you're dealing with
those spirits whether you think you are
or not and and and there's a lot of
people who are suffering because they
don't know that they are or the weird
thing about these spirits is that a lot
of them if they want to claim them they
want to claim themselves in reality like
they want a sigil they want a sign they
want a picture they want to they want to
UM they want a figurine you know if it's
if it's a saint you know the spirit of a
saint
hey man look just help just put it on
your window seal let me know that you
think you think about me when you
like they want to be able to claim
themselves the weird thing about some of
these lower-level demons is that they
want a piece of your mind they want to
live in here somewhere that's the scary
thing right like I'll make you a sigil
I'll make you but when I want a piece of
your psyche that's how they like gives
birth to psychosis and stuff and so you
do have to be careful when it comes to
dealing with that stuff because they
don't tell you that upfront
you know what I'm saying as far as like
uh the like the poltergeist and like the
manipulative type of spirits or whatever
you know what I'm saying
they want to be remembered every we want
to be remembered I want to be remembered
right well you know and so you know when
uh you know we look at the cross it
reminds us of Jesus we look at we look
at uh you know the the pyramids maybe it
reminds us of the Covenant of the Most
High that he made at the borders of
Egypt right so there's these monuments
and things that remind us of deity the
cross the Bible in and of itself people
you know people pray and they hold the
Bible close to him Jesus you know and or
do deliverances and put it on people's
foreheads like there's no like spiritual
significance in that paper in that book
but it is what it means to you like we
were talking about earlier and so
there's like the significance that we
tie to that stuff and and some people
can read the signs and signals and they
can read the sacred geometry which is
the language of the universe some people
can't it's I mean there's that's on many
levels gang graffiti how many times do
you rise to it the bad part of town and
there's all these beautiful words but
you have no idea what they mean and that
signs it upside down pitchforks and
stars and stuffing you like somebody can
read that that's conveying a message we
can't read that and it's the same way in
the spirit there's these different signs
and symbols and sigils that people have
made pacts knowingly and unknowingly we
get artwork we get books we get
confusion we get a lot of stuff that's
music that is birthed out of that but we
just you know the song and dance it but
the whole practice of it is beautiful
though at the end of the day absolutely
you got to be careful did you be a fool
not to be
careful right you know I think you'd be
a fool to me to not be careful I was a
fool I did it foolishly yeah so and
here's how I look at it if someone gets
possessed I do it like someone getting a
ticket in a foreign state if I am
driving in California and I go into
Nevada and the cops pulled me over the
cop says you have a license so there is
some level of authority to be driving
now the officer also say is you were
speeding I'm giving you a speed speeding
ticket because you're going over the
speed limit
well officer up and down to California
and I know the speed limit not my fault
it is your job to understand the land
that you're having territory in or
you're going in so if you know that
you're going here you should study the
laws of that particular land the same
thing I can say on every other dynamic
business the same thing is true how you
do your taxes in one state it's not how
you do it in another and you can cry all
day long I said well you know in my last
state I suppress it like this or at my
last job we used to do it like this and
your boss is gonna say well we don't do
it like that here and if you'd like your
we did it so much your old job you need
to go back there and I don't like this
about the spiritual dynamic because the
spiritual environment works the same way
especially in the demonic side they're
like you have no excuses yeah you're
really that's legal right there's a
legal right signed or so about to sign
for you in some cases and if the fun
thing is I have found that every
powerful spirit every significant deity
wants that even through Jesus we find
that you know Paul says nevertheless I
must decrease and he must increase that
this might be in you that was also in
Christ Jesus now present your body a
living sacrifice holy acceptable even
Jesus declare you know have you seen me
you've seen the father
I am my father are one yeah where's
stop and where does God begin so this
whole conversation even about possession
and dominance actually shows a very
heavily in the realm of Jesus yeah thank
you yeah they use that term I want to be
possessed with Jesus I want to Jesus to
possess me only possessed with the
things of God Jesus we sent this all the
time you are the possessed of Jesus
Jesus does whatever Jesus wants to do
with his body you're bought with a price
yeah the things that got taught all the
time
so it's funny when you go and take that
ideology and go into the demonic world
without training you're a prime
candidate for possession because you
already have the framework that allows
for that yeah and so without the
training that says you don't have to go
that route if you choose not to you can
you can actually be sovereign and
command the spirit to do your work to do
your bidding that's there can be a help
me to you save they would spirit and the
Holy Spirit
the Holy Spirit does not have to possess
you and you could come to Christ you
could act out the spirit work with you
yeah to work your bidding so both are
right
neither is wrong it's just the level of
commitment you want to engage with Anita
what do you want to exchange because the
more you exchange the more you can have
yeah it's very simple Jesus can have all
power give it to him because he
exchanged all things to it that's not a
mystery that it just is he can have a
level of divine power because he's
devoting himself to days of study and
teaching as a rabbi to that that
particular experience yes I paid the
cost every mystery yeah he walked he
walked it man um you talking about laws
right going into the laws of the land
and learning the law of that like right
you know there's always quote that is a
song but it says dance with the dead
better be ten times more deadly p OD
good great good people don't understand
how it how they operate they don't
understand what it takes and when you
say in law i'm always driven back i like
to tie a lot of stuff in the scriptures
into you
versal law like there yes rustle off so
when I tie that in there's many people
playing the game the game is life and
there's rules to the game
right many people are playing haven't
even read the manual they don't know the
rest they don't know the law of seedtime
and harvest they don't know the power of
the word spoken word that they don't
know the power the frequency of thoughts
and creative thinking and you're made in
the image and likeness of a creator
therefore it is in you to create they
don't know about like the stuff that to
me it goes into universal law vibration
movement and it all ties in learning
that stuff like that's why we're talking
about it because you people are being
victims out here they're getting beat up
by the wind by the waves and Jesus and
all politics are getting pushed around
by every wind and wave of doctrine these
waves and winds are beating people up
they have no stability they have no
foundation
I think universal law that that's the
law that that's the law of the universe
that whatever you put out is coming back
to you it's biblical as universal law
the promises of God are yes and amen
I'm stupid I'm broke I'm always broke
I'm fat I never gonna lose weight yes
and amen
that's what the [Â __Â ] is that laid back
yes and amen oh I'm more than a
conqueror
I'm created in Christ Jesus to do good
works yes any men let's do it
I bless you I'm the head and not the
tail I'm more than a kind like yes and
amen
that's the god man the universe the
universal God had the embodiment of
universal law and be able to understand
that that you play more a bigger part in
this than you think right when you start
to understand them because it's when you
start to talk about universal law in the
scriptures it's just so funny like for
instance the S scenes which were a
they're they're kind of a radical group
religious group but there are very much
mystics in nature very much about the
time of Jesus the and they were I'm not
thinking a lot of their approach the
essence whatever they saw the
our Lord in the scriptures they really
substituted that for law l aw
and so how a lot of what they saw was
they friends we say the lord of lords
and the king of kings we never stayed
back the Lord of lords or he is the Lord
strong and mighty they would say he is
the law strong and mighty he is the god
our Lord he has got our law and so they
saw God as this pervading energy and
boundary throughout all of existence in
all of life and it was a good way of
doing it because it allowed for them to
understand that the law is always
working the law is always prevalent the
Lois always in existence that according
to your will according to your thinking
so it is cheeky yeah and the challenge
is most people have a challenge I have
failed because they don't want to accept
responsibility for that level of power
like I've said this before even with
Jesus if Jesus says in my name you shall
cast out devils in my name you shall you
know turn upon services they should not
harm me and my name you should do great
exports except eccentric by that nature
I control it if I am able to go
somewhere and use someone else's name I
have authority to do so I can wield it
as I choose if I've been given authority
to do it so the interesting thing is
expressly in the Christian context
because it's actually no different
demonology if I have a sigil if I have
the demon if I have the name that it
does my bidding
same thing with angel it does whatever I
wanted to do is it an entity in and of
itself yes but if I have control over it
by its name I can do whatever I wanted
to do it by that case so once I know
someone's going to take this way out of
context but that context that way of
thinking and operating me calling on a
demon to bring financial prosperity or
bring healing is no different at me
calling on Jesus to do the same thing
because even the Scriptures declare I
have authority to do so it's an
interesting dynamic when you start to
study it because Jesus and the Christ
become
more powerful under when they're not
even people they become more possible
because they are a perspective they are
a power that is to be wielded and you
and that's a whole deeper level even in
the Christian context I want listen you
don't have to go to demonology or handle
a geology you have enough power within
using Jesus Jesus is sitting here at the
right hand of the Father you know
waiting for you to give prayers that you
actually believe that will occur so
Jesus can be controlled by me that's an
icon the Scriptures declare it Jesus
just waiting for you to show up and be
the sons and the doors of God yeah and
it's still waiting and it's still
waiting and it's still waiting and
people don't believe that you have
enough work Christians to do in your own
scriptures to be powerful and healers
and prosperous and movers and shakers
and rather than focusing on what a witch
is doing focus on expecting you divine
insight into you know the next terrorist
attack so we don't our dear brothers and
sisters in Sri Lanka getting killed by
the hundreds left can't be focus also
that has actually beneficial because
I'll tell you right now and this is for
all of us had someone stood up in a
Christian faith Buddhist and Hindu faith
of conduct paid the African science
faith anybody else and saying listen
dies telling me that on April the 20th
there will be a bombing around 8:45 and
attempted bombing in Sri Lanka and do
not go into Zion Church and this is the
person s planet on that or let's make it
more personal on 9/11 there is a planned
attack and here all the people that are
behind it and the Spirit of God is
giving me discernment and information
according to that if you saved thousands
of people through that level of power
and internet trust me you would never
have to pass out a pamphlet you would
never have
and by people open the doors of the
church you would never have to tell
people where you are you would never
have to even speak the word Christ
people would flirt your doors and that's
why I say we have a horrible perspective
don't get the power do the explore do
miracles heal people save people's life
and people don't give a [Â __Â ] about your
philosophy your Creator your Bible
people will come because they see the
works which is why they follow Jesus by
your mama dip's ourselves with a bit
more time that's why this the whole
spirituality and especially in the Bible
exists so that you know as far as the
exports are saying they would see your
good deeds and it would glorify your
father in heaven or you would you bear
to prophesy because you know things
about them that they didn't even know
about themselves right or only only them
in God knew but he whispered it in your
ear and told you so that they would
believe and for the Bible literally says
that they would fall on their face and
glorify the father they will fall on
their face and we see Jesus about that
these gifts are not even for the church
and this is the funny thing about this
yeah prophecy the gift of knowledge
wisdom miracles healing or not even for
the church the Bible even says and these
signs are for the unbelieving yeah my
work is I even for people that believe I
keep trying to convince you supposed to
already believe what I'm talking can you
believe sign and wonders I don't believe
so it's like your prophecy and all the
work you're doing in the church is
inappropriate you need to be in a
comment or a in the streets or the
prostitute house or you need to be
somewhere else where people that do not
believe can see the works then you
ignore why your father
you watch Todd why you keep up with Todd
white at all
Oh Todd white he does it in the street
right yeah that's all I was gonna say
cuz when you when you were talking about
people calling out at names and
addresses Oh
he comes from that whole lineup like the
Kansas City prophets and those guys were
bad Paul Cain Bob Jones um okay I know
these let me okay
okay since you do come from that realm
let's discuss this so we're talking
about being a medium in having past
spirits appear to you a lot of people in
that prophetic movement are saying that
they have been visited and I maybe I
don't want to I think Shawn balls maybe
even say this but a lot of them were
guys are being visible by Bob Jones who
was like a master prophet who passed
away they all looked up to him and they
all and he kind of comes to them and in
you know in in a hotel room and God
speaks to them says hey book this hotel
just go there I'm not telling you what
to do fast and pray go to the hotel they
get there the spirit of Bob Jones shows
up has a conference conversation with
them and you know sends them on their
ministry it gives them a mantle and all
of these kind of things it's happening
in the Christian realm now but I think
it's always happened I want to look at
and I always go back to this I just like
to get other people's take on it
Jesus at the Mount of Transfiguration I
don't think that that was a one-time
thing I think that Jesus that was the
first time we kind of got to go in with
a candid camera into Jesus's prayer
closet when he would pray for hours on
in what was he doing god I ask you to
bless me with the house God I pray for
that lady she's sick down the road no no
no no he did that in public
um right in his prayer he was being
taught by his ancestors his predecessors
literally which is practiced in all kind
of religions all over the world
he was his ancestors would communicate
with him the first time that I think it
was a Peter James and John I believe
went and went up to the Mount of
Transfiguration they seen him he his
countenance his clothing changed and
Moses and Elijah showed up in spirit
form and he was communicating with them
I don't think no one time
I really don't absolutely it's two
things it's funny because a lot of these
church prophets have those baking Hanna
said that regarding Kathryn Kuhlman and
gave me simple McPherson whining the
bottom has said this on numerous
occasions I elected Paul Kane is
actually saying this as well a lot of
them say that you know that they're
dealing with Moses and Elijah and stuff
too right you know even like seen a
Moses and Elijah other places here's how
I have Lord to interpret and I teach it
two things one you're probably doing
mediumship that's one you actually do a
mediumship there person has died you're
communicating with their soul that has
passed on and transition into the next
room that's one or two more especially
for people that have a personal
connection like Bob Jones I mean there
is a personal connection with him and
even boats
so here's the dynamic if we talk about a
safe apostolic succession and when we
talk about how even biblically how you
should do this process of the Apostolic
and the prophetic and discipleship it
really is a level of transferring my
spirit into this other spirit it is the
align job going to have been
transferring history in July show Jesus
into the disciples you know Paul in 2
Timothy and so forth and so on and
that's the nature of it and that's why
they can later to say let this mind be
in you it's also in Christ Jesus it's a
level of you know carry my spirit and my
essence yeah into the next generation
it's a legacy thing so what I believe
also as occurring is unbeknownst to them
and I've never heard anyone teach it
this way is the same well of course your
mentor your teacher even Jesus showed up
because the seed of that person is with
Timmy
it is married DNA and spiritually
dynamically to you so absolutely you're
not doing mediumship in a lot of those
kind those times actually what you're
doing is the form of invocation
you're calling that thing that's in you
outside of you which is different so
you're actually saying
the spirit of how he's been here for
example cuz he's a really good example
well the spirit of Kathryn Kuhlman is
with him being here has always been his
power showed up which he transitioned
are a lot stronger than it was and so
her to show up is really her showing
outside of baby him she and he are one
of the same experience the only thing
he's doing is actually in a sense
looking in the mirror spiritually
speaking and talking to Kathryn Kuhlman
that is a strong form of divination
that's what would also called biblically
like a mantle right receiving an example
even this like even the Scriptures talk
about we see a part with prophesy for or
we see into a glass dimly that's
actually a form of scrying Wow - let me
- a glass dimly is your turn to glean
the information that's there to you yeah
so what it's or what is actually a form
of divine a vocation or invocation still
works the same all three of those are
forms of divination yeah it may be a
form of a strong delusion that may be
coming up it could actually be a demon
that's showing up in familial form even
either way the church would still
traditionally call that divination all
around yeah yeah I'm gonna send you that
video you know I know I know you know
this I just want to show it off to you
but you know I'm saying divination from
a biblical aspect really is something
beautiful it's something good that the
prophets practiced that Joseph
definitely practice Laban said that God
spoke to him through divination what he
was supposed to do in the future you
know Joseph says you know surely God
speaks through divination in the casting
of lots every lot every luck of the draw
is ordered by the Lord you know and
there's a so I went into some scriptures
on that but it's beautiful man I'm gonna
send that to you man bro we've already
done we've already done three hours and
15 minutes out and the times just going
by for like we can keep going but I
think we need to cut it off man
I just saved something for next time and
I know there's so much more but when you
find that kindred spirit man just like
we've seen at the beginning like we
already knew we can go really big man go
ahead and plug your stuff man you got
you do a lot of speaking engagements and
retreats like that go ahead and plug
what you got going on bro yeah
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us probably the whole time well because
it's we fact the numbers have been
consistent and they've been hanging out
and yeah there's been some people who
who have been here the whole time and
they say Chris garner says you know
there's got to be a next time so we got
to do this again and I'm sure there's
nothing to do three hours man as uh yeah
we knocked it out within okay yeah we'll
save all the question is a bunch of
questions and a bunch of encounters in
angels I wanted to ask you about UFOs
what you know saying we'll get into this
next time I definitely want to make this
happen again soon brother with it just
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hanging out with me I really enjoyed
this conversation and from the looks of
it the majority of the the fellowship
here with us have enjoyed it as well so
we have to do it again powerful thank
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Shalom Shalom peace Shalom
Calvin Witcher that was a good one that
was a good one I enjoyed it
covered so much man it's three hours and
it went by like that we can keep going I
want to keep going I got stuff to do
Oh way to go you know I know and like
you don't st. Joe Rogan they always like
brag about who's got the longest episode
oh we went for hours we were at five
hours in men I've got some long ones but
this is up there indefinitely but man
really enjoyed this this conversation
and so you have to be okay with which is
having the conversation see that's the
problem will we talk about church and we
come out of religion people are afraid
to have the conversation you haven't
talked to a witch you haven't talked to
a bunch limb you haven't talked to a
homosexual you haven't you did you
afraid of the conversation you might get
converted you might get rebuked they may
know the Bible more than you and I trust
me I'm pretty sure Calvinist arrival
more than most pastors out there I would
dare to say that but that's what happens
and then you get marginalized and
there's some really good nuggets in this
thing man really good nuggets and I
really learned a lot from this do I
agree with everything I'm not even gonna
finish that statement because I I've
checked myself in the past but come on
man
use your common sense you know it is
what it is in it that's a beautiful
brother man
and God is definitely working with that
guy he's talking about dealing with with
spirits and working with demons I don't
really obviously we work with demons
unaware we entertain angels and
messengers unaware I don't like actively
pursue covenants and asking the demon to
do that I go to my father and if my
father sends that out and for me it's
just cognitively it's a way to filter
out and make sure I get the right stuff
and I don't want any unclean spirits I
don't want to chance possession so for
me in the way my mind works in my brain
works as I've dealt with the with
possession in the past it makes
everything work you know god filters it
out and so the scriptures for me as the
plumb line and a filter that stuff
through there you're talking about in
meditation astral travel anything of the
spirit matter filtering it through the
Holy Spirit asking the white light of
Christ to go before you and so my
understanding is I don't really need to
make pacts with those entities I do know
that we deal with them and we may not
believe that with demons and God uses
demons God uses evil angels good angels
the word angel means messenger
Paul was buffeted by a messenger of
Satan sent by the Lord take that put
that in your theology pipe and smoke it
God looses evil angels the Bible says
that God sent an evil spirit to deal
treacherously with people treacherously
I said it with people with Nations even
God sent forth an evil spirit to deal
with King Saul in his sin and the Bible
says it God sent the Lord sent an evil
spirit an evil spirit from the Lord was
sent out to Saul to buff it him that's
what demons do to get you ready man
toughen up make sure you ready for
Christ's hood Satan was sent to Christ
to buffer him in the desert to tempt him
who allowed it did he slip past God
hey God look over there check out that
oh those other people and the devil just
ran and checked them in may Allah
correct do you believe that a lot of
people believe that but God is sovereign
to really understand the sovereignty of
God is that all things work together for
the good of those who love the father
all things there are no accidents there
are no mistakes there are no
coincidences
synchronicities happen for a reason
you're able to see the repetitive number
cycles you hear the conversations you
hear the buzz words that you've never
heard before three times in one day the
things line up think of someone then
they call it's a god moment a quickening
in the spirit as the Bible would call it
it happens for a reason it all this
stuff comes through your father so make
sure James 4:7 submit yourselves to God
resist the devil he will flee make sure
you're submitted in everything that you
do don't do nothing don't move don't
breathe
if you ain't submitted submit to God man
it's your only hope
submit to God because these demons will
deal with you these angels will deal
with you make sure you submitted to God
on every area every front
that's your protection then ask him can
I go here can I see that and if your
relationship with your father is on
point what what should you fear there is
no fear perfect love casts out all fear
you're not walking in perfect love
you're walking in judgment you're
walking in self-righteousness perfect
love casts out all fear why are you
fearing there's nothing to fear false
evidence appearing real creating
scenarios that don't even exist I'm
gonna get possessed if I meditate come
on people believe that though I have to
say this it's so funny cause like in the
spiritual circles they laugh at this
stuff but like a lot of Christians
believe if you meditate you're gonna if
you if you empty out your mind all the
thoughts okay what can I put on the
grocery list
I forgot this I need to add this or I
got to do laundry tomorrow next week I'm
going to see my
uncle out-of-state you got all these all
these things in on your mind but when
you spin you bring it to spend time with
your father to commune with the father
you bring it into the secret place no
push that stuff out man empty out your
mind begin to meditate upon the Lord how
beautiful he is
I always enter in its a threshold that I
cross I enter into his courts with
Thanksgiving I enter into his gates with
praise I begin to be thankful for
everything in my life begin to praise
him for everything my experiences and
then that attitude of gratitude just
grows deeper and deeper and deeper as
deep calls unto deep you begin to you
begin to be thankful for the things that
you used to complain about your
consciousness shifts you're at one with
all creation you've caught up a net of
static glory how can we keep it how can
we maintain it be mindful walking
gratitude that's how you do it it's the
only way you do it keep it walking to it
continually glorifying the father thank
you for this thank you for that bless
you allowing the experiences but asking
them to be filtered through the father
look he got you he loves you he wants
you to
he's got great mighty things to show you
that you do not know and cannot find out
I believe that God has secrets that he
is hidden that he hasn't shown anyone in
the universe in the multiverse in the
layers of reality in the dimensions here
gazing at the Stars gazing at the sky
gazing into your lover's eyes I believe
that God has things that he hasn't shown
anyone that is willing to show you if
you call yourself away be with them
spend time with them that's what I
believe it's just me
talked about making pacts with spirits
and dealing with demons and stuff in
Thomas Solomonic magic Solomon did that
Solomon not only did he understand how
these spirits operate it he was able to
get the revelation from God to have
power over these spirits to find out
what angels bound them and to also
understand what astrological sign or
House of the zodiac that they were under
or what stars that they were linked to
but moving beyond it he also was able to
command them to do things for him to do
his bidding Solomon commanded the demons
to build the temple by legends he had
them out there gathering wood gathering
stone and cutting blocks he had the
demons working for him what Solomon is
so that's where a lot of that Solomonic
magic comes from it's from tradition
many Christians know about tradition you
know that Solomon got into witchcraft
you know that Solomon married outside of
his his you know I'm saying religion and
made pacts with Moloch and make
covenants and made sacrifices in the
Moloch and those spirits came back to
deal treacherously with him and then the
end of the day he says all his vexation
all is vanity he understood that man is
knowledge for the sake of knowledge it's
vexation is about having that encounter
about having that experience for
yourself look I'm glad you had a
beautiful encounter I'm on my own you
should want your own I would hope that
this this would this conversation was to
be a testimony for you to just to look a
little bit deeper maybe there was
something that you pulled out that you
can apply to your life maybe something
connected a dot maybe all of it maybe
none of it for some of you that's fine
I've read your negative comments it's
fine
keep it moving or not it's a seed planet
some plant some water some guys are the
harvest that's how it works
understand that I understand that
I hope you do the term profit Calvin
Witcher he operates under the role of
profit many years ago that's the calling
that the Lord's given me so called you
even as a prophet into this nation and
it was just a burning desire with the
within me to study that what is a
prophet I I don't know follow the
Christian prophets what is this prophet
what is a seer unpacking that as God
called me as a young man as a prophet I
had to unpack that what what is it and
I've come to understand just the heart
of a prophet is to really restore the
foundations to call to repentance that
you've left your first love it's time to
come back and I really see that
everything is birth in and out of that
of a restoration to restore the
foundations to come back to that first
love but it moves a little bit deeper
you know of just to the Book of Jeremiah
talks about returning to the ancient
paths of repent return go back to the
ancient paths and it says there you'll
find rest for your soul return to the
ancient paths I'm telling you what we
have today it's not cutting it it's not
cutting it this is different this
Christianity of today this religion of
the west it's not the same people and if
you think it is you're sadly mistaken
there's people who think they like read
the Bible and then they go to church and
they look around it this is a biblical
Christianity this is what they want it
no I rebuke you that's not what he
wanted at all it looks nothing like the
church it looks nothing like the early
book of Acts it looks nothing like that
stuff man
return restore the foundations return to
the ancient past path for there you'll
find rest for your soul unpacked out
what does that mean everybody has their
own calling I wouldn't be weird if
everyone was a prophet it'd be kind of
weird would be weird if everybody was a
street preacher I think we need street
preachers like we need to be reminded I
think we need people on the corner you
reminding us that that exists I think we
need Fred Phelps I think we need Donald
Trump's you know what I'm saying to
remind you of what could happen if you
get involved in extremism if you have a
zeal without knowledge yeah it's
possible you come out of it man you
learn from that you go through that
journey you learn if only what not to do
to others that's empathy not sympathy
empathy you learn because I've been
through it not on my watch not on my
watch that's what it's birthed out of
minutes a protection for people there's
a love for people and yeah right
knowledge love and understanding is what
it's about again going back to as deep
and mystical as demons and monsters and
spirits and entities and imps and all of
that elementals and all of it is as deep
as that stuff is just to be in the the
mechanics of the mind of how they work
that demons are cast out through the
mere spoken word through conversation
the ungodly beliefs ungodly mindsets are
cast out just do a mere conversation
being intentional with your thoughts
being intentional with your word and
with that I'm gonna say peace and Shalom
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