Finding The Real You | Daniel Bruce Levin | TruthSeekah Podcast
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today is mr daniel
levin daniel welcome to the truthseeker
podcast my friend how are you
hey derek so good i love all the things
you're doing what a beautiful
work you have in front of you thank you
so much man and uh
uh you know the feeling's mutual you
have a lot of stuff you bring to the
table as well and
we're going to explore that today and
i'm excited to do so man
i look forward to it so i guess we can
get started just kind of uh
giving people a little bit of uh
background about you know who you are
what you bring to the table we can start
there
it's a simple question without a simple
answer
but i've lived a lot of different
lifetimes in this lifetime
and so it's always hard to know exactly
where to
plug in yeah especially when we've lived
a lot of different lifetimes outside of
this lifetime as well
but let's see if i can start here i've
had the opportunity through my life
to sit with some of the richest people
in the world
not in lecture halls or in seminars that
they were giving
but at their dining room tables i've
played on the floor with their children
and i've met their parents
i've gotten the chance to be given
counsel by them and even
more often more so they've asked counsel
for me
and things they were doing which was
really i was so humbled by it
i've had the opportunity also to be with
some of the most inspiring people in the
world i worked at a house a
self-help publishing company i was the
director of business development and
during my time there
it grew from three million dollars a
year to a hundred million dollars a year
so it was
a huge growth over a 10-year period of
time
and a lot of the authors that i that i
brought to hay house or a lot of the
people that
we met everybody looked up to him and
pedestal
them so they couldn't be themselves with
them i was the one person
or one of the people that just saw them
as real people
yeah and they came to me and sometimes
cried in the room with me or sometimes
would tell me their troubles or
sometimes
would tell me what was going on in their
life and so often i would say to them
you wrote a book that's touching
millions of people i think it would be
good for you to read the book you wrote
just again because so often the books we
write
are the things we we most need to learn
not the things we know
but derek i've also had the opportunity
to sit on street corners with the
poorest of the poor
i've sat on their cardboard boxes in the
cold of night and shared dinner with
them also
and though the dinner is at the richest
of the people's
people that i knew and the dinner with
the poorest of the people i knew
the ambiance the food the everything was
quite different
the feeling was always the same and what
i realized is that
every single person that i've ever met
wants the same thing
it doesn't matter how much money they
make what religion they practice or
don't practice what color their skin
what border they live behind
what reservation they live on or what or
what
country they live in they want
to be loved and accepted and listened to
and heard and acknowledged and validated
and when i realized i could do that for
people my life changed
it didn't matter that i was uh
a monk for 10 years it didn't matter
that i was one day away from being
ordained
as a rabbi it didn't matter that i
studied psychology
all that mattered is that i cared enough
about people to ask them a very simple
question to start out the process
which is how are you today how are you
is like a salutation it's hi how
are you and people say good find great
and we go on as if that's the answer to
those questions
but when you actually say hey no hold it
i'm really interested in hearing about
you i really want to know
who you are and how you're doing like we
got a lot of stuff going down in our
country right now
and around the world how are you really
doing with it all good find great
disappears in a moment
yeah and suddenly they say boy i'm a
little scared or i don't know what to do
or i'm you know i've never experienced
something like this before
and when you open the door to real
conversation and people feel
safe suddenly all the defenses that they
have
all the walls that they put around
themselves they realize they don't need
in this
in this conversation and they drop it
and people for sometimes see themselves
for the first time
as they actually are they've carried
those walls around so much
that they often don't even realize that
that's
those walls are not who they are they've
grown to believe that those walls are
who they are
and when they see themselves it's it's
this miraculous moment
where we see each other and we actually
in
you know that same into me see is
intimacy
but with the walls around this what most
people do is my silo meets your silo and
we think we're
we're connected well we're not connected
because we're both hiding behind those
walls
when we take those down and we allow
people to see into me
then there's real intimacy so that's
really who i
am and what i do it's the best
definition i guess i could have
that's good um um just unpacking it a
little bit
what what were some of the uh reasons or
what was the main reason why you were
about to be
ordained um as a rabbi and then the day
before
you choose to live as a monk yeah crazy
how does that happen
i i i still am wondering my friend but
but actually what happened is
i went so
i dropped out of school out of college
at 18. i studied two years in psychology
and gotten all the
all the courses i needed for an
undergraduate degree in psychology
and i decided that that wasn't the
heaven that i was looking for
so i started to hitchhike around the
world i was hitchhiking in route to
india when i got stopped in
in israel and by a
man that i went to that i read about he
was a holy man
it said the description of him said it's
a whole he's a holy man
and likes people to visit him between
two and six in the morning
and so i went to see him at two at
two o'clock in the morning
a long story i can tell that now or i
can tell it another time but threw me
off my course of going to india
and i just decided to stay in israel and
and study judaism and study for the
rabbinate
but all along i had i had belief systems
that
i didn't believe totally in judaism
and what the rebbe told me which was
really beautiful and i think this is
something that will be
important it's been important for me
throughout my whole life
its problems exist at us at a one level
they and they remain at that level what
happens is when we're when we don't have
belief in ourselves or we're
worse we don't feel good about ourselves
we look up at those problems because we
put ourselves very low
down but as we grow in our understanding
as we grow in our knowledge as we grow
in our feeling of who we actually are
we rise up and that thing that was once
the mountain now looks like a mohill
yep so he said i know you're having
problems with what's going on just get
stronger in our belief system
and the more you get strong in our
belief system the more you'll start to
see
that the problems that you're
experiencing aren't real problems
well the day before my ordination
i went to him and i said the shelf that
i put all those problems on have has
broken
and my whole room is a mess the problems
are all over the floor
i think it's time for me to go and i
could be ordained in your name but i
wouldn't believe what you believe
and so it wouldn't be fair for me
to be ordained in your name and share
other beliefs that are not
in sync with what you believe so i think
it's best that i just go
there are lots of stories around every
one of those things that i'm saying to
you
yeah but we're limited in time so
understand what are some of the things
that you've held on to though you know
because
obviously i'm sure you didn't abandon
everything there's some beautiful things
about
judaism and things like that were there
some things that
just really impressed you or really
opened the door for you to see deeper
into your spirituality or was that kind
of like the elementary
of your faith and belief so
i'm a storyteller so let me tell you a
story
when i went to see this rabbi between
two and six in the morning
i walked in to see him and have you ever
had your arm go
pins and needles and you can't move it
you have to you literally have to pick
it up with the other arm and move it
yeah has that ever happened to you
oh yeah okay so when i got to the
port to the door to the from the room
from the hallway to the door to the room
and he was sitting in this room with
six guys that had beards that make mine
look like you know i'm just trying to
grow one
um he was when i got to the door
my whole body went pins and needles i
couldn't move my body and i was there
for what seemed to be
a long time it was probably three or
four minutes which is a
a long time when you're trying to make
it from the doorway to a chair and you
don't know what's going on
your body's numb and i felt this was
before compute computers were even
existed and i but i felt like he was
literally downloading me
into his system and i felt like he knew
me and
in those few minutes better than anybody
that had ever known me
and i said and i had come to him to get
a blessing to go to india
and so finally after a long time the
force field that he put up
i'm assuming was a force field that he
put up that kept me out
he finally said won't you come in and
sit down and i was like a racehorse
at the gate and when the gate opened i
just went so i
lunged to the chair and he looked at me
and and the guys around sort of left
wondering like why what an awkward
entrance in
but in speaking with him what happened
is
he threw me out of his office he asked
me all sorts of
after all that happened he asked me
what's my name how long have i been in
israel what do i want to do where am i
what what's my where am i going
and i looked at him i said i'm sorry you
know me better than anybody
that has ever known me in my life why
are you asking me such stupid
superficial questions
like i've come here to get a blessing to
go to india and i'd really love your
blessing because i see you're a holy man
and i'd love your blessing on my trip
and he threw me out of his office
not the way i was planning to start the
trip
so i said i'm sorry i'm not leaving i'm
not
i'm not going to do this and he said
well if you don't leave we're going to
leave and he and the sixth gentleman he
was with got up and left the room
and it was like 2 15 2 30 in the morning
so i'm sitting there at 2 30 in the
morning thrown out of the office of a
holy man wondering
is this the way i'm going to start my
trip i said i'm not leaving
at around 4 30 or 5 in the morning it
was starting to get light and that's
when they pray their morning prayers and
you need
10 jews to say your morning prayers
and they were looking for people that
were up at that time they came into the
room they saw me and i said well i don't
know anything about
the prayers they said that's okay just
sit there he was one of the ten
so i thought okay now he owes me
something because i i was part of this
minion of people that could didn't allow
them to say his prayers so
after our prayers were done i went to
back to his office and i saw somebody i
said well you tell the rebbe somebody's
here to see him
he walked into the room and saw me he
said you again and walked and started to
walk out i said stop
i don't understand what you're doing can
you tell me what you're trying to show
me
he said my friend you say you've seen
you've been in israel nine months you
say you've seen it from north
south east and west you say you've seen
every course parcel of this land
but i don't believe you've seen anything
because you don't know how to see
so if you go to india the same thing
will happen to you you'll go there
you'll see everything but you won't see
anything
if you want to learn how to see come
back tomorrow
and i said i'm leaving today to go to
i'm i'm leaving
flying from tel aviv to uh turkey and
then i'm going overland to india
he said that's why i threw up threw you
out of the office
you don't have the flexibility to be
able to do the things you need to do
with the rubbish someone see what you
need to see
and i so i i left
thinking well i do there's nobody that's
i have no time frame
i just have a non-refundable ticket
that's four hundred dollars that if i
i don't have money i didn't have any
money at that point i was i was working
my way around to make the money to do it
i said let's just go to the airport and
see what happens if it's if i'm really
supposed to stay here something will
happen
i got to the airport and i'm standing in
a long line and in those years
um i was flying on el al which is the
israeli airlines and security in
on el al was made security
that we go through today and look like
you know kindergarten
there were long lines and i was at the
back of the line and i didn't even know
if i would make my plane
and suddenly a voice from the from the
ticket counter said
hey you and they pointed at me
and i thought oh no now what's happening
and they said coming come here
and i walked up and you know people i
was in the back of the line so people
were really upset like what is this guy
being brought to the front of the line
for and they said come and come with me
into the back office
i walked into the back and the
supervisor was there
and she said what is it you want what
are you doing here
and i said well it's sort of a long
story i thought i was flying out to go
to turkey but i met somebody who wants
to teach me how to see
but i have a non-refundable ticket and
so i don't know that
i would really like to stay and see what
he's doing for a few
days weeks months and see what he's
talking about
but i have an unrefundable ticket and i
can't afford to lose it
she said um hold on a minute she went to
talk to somebody else she said
your ticket's non-refundable but i'm
going to do something
for you i said why what are you going to
do
she went into her wallet and she took
out 400 of her own money
and she said i'm going to refund your
ticket right here because i had a dream
last night about and i saw you in the
dream
with this old rebbe and that scared the
hell out of me he said if this guy comes
don't let him leave the country
and and i thought oh my god that's crazy
and she said
just take this money get out of here and
stay here and do whatever you got to do
but i can't let you leave the country
now
so i went back to see him and he was
like just dancing and celebrating and
couldn't believe that i'd come back
but it was hard not to come back
so i think the thing in a long answer is
a storyteller
unfortunately i'm a storyteller so the
long answer to your question is
it wasn't the laws and the principles
and the sin the traditions of judaism
that i remember it was that ability that
he gave me
to see differently it was that it was
that moment and
and the moments that followed of being
able to look at a situation and see
it entirely different and that's a lot
of the work that i do with people now
is we're so stuck on the way we see
things we believe the way we see things
is the way
the world really is but that's just the
way we see things
yeah there's 359 other
degrees of seeing it that we don't even
know exist
we don't see things the way that they
are we see things the way that we are
beautifully exactly it's so crazy i was
just talking to uh someone yesterday
and uh i mentioned i come out of like
weird satanism occultism stuff like as a
teenager
just getting into the spirit realm and
figuring out and i got into a
really bad spot where like trying to
make packs with demons and all this kind
of stuff real
real bad i was losing my mind going
schizophrenic got into the church
ran to christ and uh changed my life
this was in 2000
and um i've been kind of walking that
christian experience ever since and
my obviously my my path has gone a lot
deeper since then
but early on uh i couldn't be around
incense i would smell incense and it
would remind me of these
rituals and things that we would do to
make contact with demons
i couldn't listen if i hear certain type
of music that would remind me of the
person i would be
i would get really afraid i'd have to
leave if people were smoking marijuana
or burning sage around me i had to get
away from it it just didn't sit right
with my spirit and i could not
tolerate it um we grew up on the
reservation
indian reservation and we would go to
the the
indian powwow on thanksgiving so we go
there of me fresh out of this
occultism witchcraft stuff we go there
and i'm so sensitive that they're
burning sage
and there's people dressed up like
eagles and they got eagle feathers on
them and they're wearing beaks and some
people are wearing bear heads and
they're
like acting like they got the spirit of
that animal in them and stuff and i'm
like
as a born-again christian i gotta get
out of here this is demonic
these people are worshiping pagan
deities and invoking the spirit of the
trees and all this kind of had to get
out of there so something i had
seen my whole life that you know it was
just kind of heritage
now seemed like pagan demonic stuff that
i had experienced in witchcraft or
whatever
several years later going deeper into my
walk with god and with christ
in reality and consciousness i began to
have a spiritual awakening this was
at least 10 years later maybe more but i
went
back to the pow wow after like being
more inclusive and god just kind of
taken me on this roller coaster journey
of
introducing to me seeing him and
everything
versus just in this and i went back to
that powwow and the planets aligned
everything was right the you know the
wind
the temperature was perfect but during
the spiritual awakening
i'm in tears at the pow wow
seeing this beautiful spirituality
that we only really get to appreciate
one day a year if you come to this to
see
this culture in the way that they were
connected
with the animals and they were connected
with the spirits of the ethers and
the air are there fire and water and
they were one with each other and how
they shared in this beautiful
spirituality and
i would shake hands with different
elderly native americans and i could
feel their energy
and they would even tell me their love
for christ and talk about the star
beings in the same sentence and so you
just see like
nothing changed the only thing that
changed was my consciousness in my
perspective
through my learning through my
experiences of how i viewed something as
demonic
at one point and now something so sacred
and so beautiful
uh that i wanted to embody and and get
back into now when i
smell the sage and the palo santo and
stuff like that
it invokes beautiful um memories and
feelings within me
you know now so again the only thing
that changes is the way that we
see our reality in the world around us
yeah i think it was wayne dyer that said
when we change the way we see the world
the world we see changes yep yep yep if
you change the way that you see things
the things that you see will change
yeah and and in in essence
you just in your own story told the
story of the mosaic
which is which is a story about a boy
who loses his parents
two years apart on the same day and he
asks the adults where his parents are
because he misses that feeling of
unconditional love that he felt from his
parents there was
it he just was a protected naive gut kid
and when they passed he was just
wondering where like where is that love
that i felt they just love me for no
reason
yeah and in a world that hates for no
reason there are very few of us that
love for no reason
and he missed that love for no reason
and so
he set out they told them they were in a
place called heaven so he set out in
search of that place called heaven
well the people he met along the way
were not the people that you would
imagine they weren't the ministers and
the priests and the rabbis and the
shamans and the
and the holy men and women they were
a trash man and a road worker they were
a homeless man and a blind woman
they were a juice man and a waitress
and he wondered why am i meeting these
people like these people are the most
ordinary people in the world what are
they going to show me about heaven
but when he sat and listened to them
tell him their stories
what he realized is that he didn't see
anything that they really were he just
saw the superficiality
of what existed on the front and when
that happened over and over and over and
over and over and over and over again
he started to ask himself i wonder what
i would see if i could see what i don't
see
like i i see certain i see these this
thing
but what i see is actually blocking me
from scenes you know that
that incredible picture they show it's a
line drawing in black and white
where one way you look at it it's an old
hag and the other way you look at it
it's a young social life right
i love that i mean i i do too and what
it shows is in this very same picture
either we see one thing and when we see
that thing it blocks us from seeing the
other thing
we as long as we see the old hag we
can't see the social light
and that's the way the world that we
live in is as long as we see what we see
we can't see everything else that's
right in front of us and so
when he realized that he doesn't he he
only saw what he saw not what the world
was
he looked over to his right and he saw a
monk unzipping the sky
and the monk was inviting him into a
parallel reality
where he met the key word the wise one
who was the keeper of the mosaic
and the wise one was arranging all the
pieces of the mosaic
so that people could have the
experiences that they were going to have
surrounding them with what they needed
in that moment to give them what they
needed and the world is so much bigger
like i love the story you tell
because it could be it could have been
right out of the mosaic
because one of the things that the
mosaic says is nothing
is as it seems it just is not what we
think it is
who is right though probably you know
neither
was right things just are right and we
attribute
different you know we give things and
experiences and
and symbols you know attributes because
of our experiences or what we watched on
television or
what someone told us like you know the
current me that looked at that powwow
and seen something beautiful
or the younger me because there's people
there now on both ends of the spectrum
yeah you're right all that's pagan
brother stay away from it
no it's beautiful i you know i love that
culture you know
who's right or are both right or are
both
wrong and because there's some prop
someone probably in the middle of that
spectrum who
has a beautiful you know hear a little
their little
experience as well i think as long as we
live in a right
wrong world we don't have it right yet
and because right and right and wrong
assumes that we're on two sides of
something when we're in the center of
something there is no right
or wrong there only is the thing that is
and the perceptions that we have
are just perceptions that we have
neither right nor wrong they're just
and and the more perceptions we realize
the more ways we see that we can see
this world in totally different ways and
it's okay
everybody has the right to see the world
the way they want to see it and when we
love can love and accept people
and acknowledge and validate them and
listen to them and hear them
suddenly what happens is people's
defenses fall down
and they start to be they start to feel
safe in our presence
and that allows them to express what it
is they feel and they're neither right
nor wrong
they are expressing exactly what they
feel in that moment which is beautiful
only beautiful
and it doesn't matter what side you're
on or what side you're on it's only the
mind that makes sides up of a world the
mosaic
is the beauty of the mosaic to me
is that a fully connected piece of
artwork
seen through broken eyes sees only
pieces
but the mosaic is whole we're not
separate
there is no right or wrong there's only
what is
and what is is neither is above right
and wrong
anyway that's just that's just an old
fat guy sitting in california's
philosophy
i mean you know i think it goes without
saying that uh
you know beauty is in the eye of the
beholder you know and one man's trash is
another man's treasure
you know something that but i'm with you
though
training people or teaching people how
to see
and that's the thing i think we should
be able to see all of it i think we
should be able to see the danger
or the pitfalls of our even our own
philosophies or our own
you know things we we believe in instead
of like putting all your chips
in in one basket much like you know
these elections and everything that's
going on right now you know and
and thinking that we have everything
figured out but being able to see it
and i once uh when when i had my
awakening i was um
i had a good friend of mine who and i i
had been there and this
and this really what kind of helped me
because i had
trained myself to see all the bad stuff
i can tell you where demons are i can
tell you the holes in this philosophy i
can tell you why this preacher is wrong
um but there was it flipped in the
awakening was
okay let's you could tell me why they're
wrong tell me why they're right oh wow
somebody i had demonized let's look at
the good that they're bringing
to people how they are helping people
cope with everyday life let's look at
you know some of the beautiful things
that they're bringing to the table and
that
changed my philosophy then i began to
look at hinduism then i began to look at
uh the quran and and you know i'm saying
islam and
everything just to be really more
inclusive and be able to see god in
everything because he it is a piece of
it there
god has hidden himself in all things and
in all people so
uh that training of my my eye really uh
helped my spiritual awakening but i had
a good friend of mine who
he stayed there like he just
seen the negative and everything i mean
you can tell them
you know you you had a beautiful
birthday i celebrated my party and we
had great yeah you're one day closer to
death
you're one year closer to death brother
it's like wow to train yourself to see
the negative
in everything you can train yourself to
see the beauty in all things as well
it's it's so fascinating because i love
your stories and i love the way you
present them
because i can tell you a story that
happened to me
in in the seminary
the rebbe saw something in me and he
wanted me to
he wanted me to see the world the way he
thought it was
and so what he did is he walked me into
this perfect room
a hundred people who would walk into
this room and say is there anything
wrong with this room they would say it's
no
it's perfect 100 100 out of 100 would
say that
he walked me into the room and he said
you have 30 seconds to find 10 things
wrong with this room
and in 30 seconds i i from his training
i found 10 things wrong with the room
and he said you can't and i said why was
this so important to you this room is
perfect most people would think this
room is perfect
he said if something is perfect it
doesn't you
it doesn't need to change but if
something's not perfect you need to make
it perfect
but along the same lines he also told me
another story
and he said danny the problem with you
is that you are too honest
but you're not truthful
i said i'm sorry what does that mean
he said let me give you an example
imagine you're out all day and you're
thinking of your
your wife or your woman and you're
thinking about her
all day long except for 45 seconds when
this beautiful woman walks by you and
you can't take your eyes off of her
she's just she's just alluring yeah
honesty is you come home and you say to
your wife i thought about you
almost every minute of the day i thought
about you almost all day
except for 45 seconds when this woman
walked by and i couldn't take my eyes
off of her
what do you think your wife is going to
hear do you think she's going to hear
that you thought about her 23 hours 59
minutes and 15 seconds
or do you think she's going to hear the
45 seconds that you didn't think of her
that's honesty and that would not but
that's not true
the truth is you thought about your
woman almost every moment of the day
and that's the statement you have to say
you it surely you surely though
there's there's moments where you didn't
think about it but when you say to your
woman i thought about you almost every
moment of the day and i can't tell you
how
how full i feel by the feeling of your
love and my love for you
she'll hear that you don't have to tell
her about the 45 seconds
that's honest i knew a couple that did
that yeah
yeah yeah and so
sometimes the truth actually gets in the
way of
of of honesty
but some people would say that you're
you know
you're lying you're lying you're not
being truthful with
the narrative let's look at exactly that
because people are doing that with not
to get political but they're doing that
with politics now
and trump and looking at looking at the
good that trump's doing and just like
we don't care about the bad stuff you
know so
i think the reason that they're doing
that like first of all
what is the honest truth of that
situation with that woman
it it is really much more honest to be
able to say to your wife i thought about
you
50 23 hours 59 minutes and 15 seconds
than the 45 seconds that you didn't
think about her
and even in those 45 seconds you're not
saying you didn't think about it you're
just saying your your eye was caught by
the beauty of something else walking by
that's really what you wanted to say to
her and the feeling
can i tell you another story yeah
okay i've already told you i've mixed
with a lot of different people in my
life
and i've had the opportunity to be with
some of the most inspiring the richest
the poorest
one of the one of the people that's
changed my life more than any
anybody that's ever existed is a woman
i've never been able to have a
conversation with it all
and she's my 31 year old daughter my
daughter's developmentally delayed
and she can't speak like you and i speak
she can't have this conversation so in
31 years
i've never been able to have a
conversation with her
but that doesn't mean she didn't have
anything to say
when she there was a certain period of
time and it was about 15 years of her
life
when she tried to speak and she wasn't
hurt
she would start to yell because she
wanted she and she looked and she said
my dad's getting older
so he probably can't hear i'm sure
that's what she was thinking he's losing
his hair
but it wasn't because of her volume and
even though she was right my ears
were going down a little bit but it was
because of the clarity of her speech
that i didn't get it
but when she spoke and she wasn't
understood she would yell
when she yelled and she wasn't
understood she would have a tantrum
and the way i'm saying it now it sounded
like it happened three minutes like this
two minutes like that five minutes later
she was having a tantrum
but oftentimes her time frame was
different so it could have been a day
later it could have been five hours
later she could have that tantrum while
we were in the middle of a store or in a
restaurant or
in a business meeting or with people
over at a friend's house or whatever
and it didn't seem like it had rhyme or
reason and when she would tantrum and
she didn't get hurt
she would then attack she would come
running at me and try and bite me or rip
my shirt or do something to destroy
something
it went on for about 15 years
and i i like to believe that i'm a
sensitive man who tries to understand
and hear and feel people
finally i was sitting there one time and
she was in the midst of a rage she was
running towards me to attack me
and i just said elisa this isn't working
anymore we can't do this
you know that i love you more than
anything in this world
you know that i would give anything to
understand what you're trying to say
right now i would give
anything that i had to understand these
words that you're saying i just can't
understand your words
will you try and tell me what you're
trying to say to me without using words
please she stopped dead in her tracks
the look of rage on her face turned into
the smile that just melted my heart
and in perfect english she said to me i
am daddy
and i said expletive deleted what are
you talking about like
how are you doing that and she took her
finger and put it to the side of her
head
and i understood from her gesture that
she was putting thoughts in my head that
she was telepathically communicating
because
she wasn't able to communicate clearly
with her mouth she was
she was she was talking to me
telepathically and and the thing is
derek that i had heard her that i had
felt that but i just didn't trust it
who believes that someone's talking to
him telepathically i didn't even know if
she had the ability
to think the thoughts that she was
having
and i said you little son of a gun have
you been putting thoughts in my head
and she started to laugh and her laugh
became contagious left uncontrollable
contagious laughter
and the two of us sat for about 20
minutes left with each other
20 minutes is a long time to left with
the person
beautiful beautiful time after
that moment happened she no longer
ever yelled tantrum or attacked again
she had found her way to communicate to
me
she she now knew that i i was receptive
to are putting thoughts in my head
and and we would communicate that way
if that were the end of it i would have
been thrilled because that's the
that i had a relationship with my
daughter that i could never have before
but derek i started to ask myself i
wonder if people in the world are
any different than my daughter i wonder
if businesses that i work with or
families that i work with or political
organizations that i work with
don't experience exactly the same thing
when
and i saw that in a hundred percent of
the cases they were exactly alike
when they spoke and they didn't get hurt
they yelled when they yelled and they
didn't get hurt they created chaos or
or situations to just say this we're
gonna we're gonna disrupt the way
things are happening so you'll feel the
way you see things can't you can't see
them anymore
and when that didn't work they would
attack and destroy
we're sitting now in a time period where
just a few days ago
our capital was was
infringed upon by people who have
not been hurt who don't feel like they
have been heard
and when you listen to people and you
hear people
you no longer need you no longer need to
yell
tantrum or attack
you just you're just able to do
you no longer need to scream or tantrum
or attack
all you need to do is just speak what
you're saying and if you're heard
people people that ends the the
the problem of what's going on so
leave it to a 31 year old
developmentally delayed kid that i've
never had a conversation been able to
have a conversation with
to teach me how to do real conversation
how beautiful is that yeah
he was able to see and i guess seeing
his hearing
in that case as well yes see when you
when you're able to see
other perspectives and you're able to
hear
people in the way they're speaking not
in the way you want them to speak
when you don't when you don't have an
agenda about what they need to say in
order for you to love and accept them
remember what i remember what i said
when i started
my purpose now in my life has completely
changed as a result of my book the
mosaic
and that is my purpose now is to is to
love and accept people
to listen to people and hear them and to
acknowledge
and validate them and when that happens
for people
all the defenses fall down yeah and who
they are emerges
and it's the most beautiful moment in
the world
i'm with you um again learning how to
see the beauty in all things and
and the bad stuff too like i think
there's also a point for that
but i remember but i don't look for that
i'm looking for
commonality i'm looking for
you know i i really am interested in why
you think the way that you think and not
not to change you and i was just
listening to a a
a a jewish preacher here a few minutes
ago
just and he was talking about how he
loves to be on the airplane next to
atheists and next to
women's rights activists so that he can
uh
hear them out in order to show them how
they're wrong
and i'm like that sentiment
is that how you approach every
conversation or
every dialogue is to figure out how i
can show them the error of their way
because you think differently
yeah of course because i was in i was
judaism was a dogmatic society
you know and hinduism is a dogmatic
society christianity is a dogmatic
society so
so there isn't a religion that i know of
that doesn't practice some dogma of some
of some side yeah but but here's the
here's the
essential ingredient
for me in the in the process of
listening
whenever i have an agenda where i feel
like i have to show you something or
teach you something
or help you believe something that you
don't believe i can never listen to you
it's only when i really am agenda-less
where i come in and i say i really want
to know what you believe
how is it possible that you and i are
looking at the same
exact thing and you see it the way you
see i want to be curious about that i
really want to know
how you see what you see i don't want
you to see what i see how boring is that
in business in in life innovation comes
from being able to see things
not the way we see them but to see them
in other ways
derek i believe in this world everything
is possible
the only reason i can't make it possible
is because i don't see a way yet to do
it
but if i talk to people who see the
world differently for me
i increase my chances of seeing life
differently
and seeing just that one piece that i
might be missing
to actually make what was once
impossible suddenly possible again
and look at the inventions that we've
had from the from the
in the last hundred years people would
say that's impossible
but suddenly when we see things and open
up and innovate together
together we were never meant to be alone
we were never meant to do this on our
own
we were meant to come together together
we can see things that we can never see
on our own
and that means that we embrace the ideas
of all people and we see the beauty
look at it look at a mosaic again just
look at it
they're different colors they're
different shapes they're different sizes
some are whole some are broken some are
some are shattered but nobody's trying
to teach
another piece what to do it's just them
coming together and holding each other
and holding each other literally holding
each other
that the mosaic becomes this most
beautiful piece of art made from these
fragments of different things
and if you think about it in a mosaic
very rarely are the pieces
agreeing on everything they sometimes
touch just corner to corner
and that means that sometimes what
happens is
even though i disagree with almost
everything you're saying
i agree with just this corner
and in that corner of just agreeing with
you it makes the mosaic hole again and
it makes it function
so we need to find the places where we
are the same
not the places where we're different and
we live in a world that's trained us to
see our differences and to put people
down because with
they don't believe like we believe yeah
but it's it's the innovation that comes
when we embrace
those other beliefs and we incorporate
those other beliefs into the mosaic of
the world that we live in that we see
opportunities where we never saw them
before
i think that it says a lot about you
wanna say spiritual awakening or or
consciousness when you find people
and i found many of them on this podcast
where we've had different walks of life
and they haven't experienced what i've
experienced maybe some of the stuff
sounds foreign
but we come to similar conclusions
from very different paths they say that
you know here's the
that i think these religions don't like
the term that all
roads or all spokes lead to the center
of the wheel
that being god or this this love place
of love and acceptance
and tolerance and all that this kind of
stuff um
i find it very interesting when when
people have different backgrounds
but we come to a very very very similar
place and they're just like an extension
of you
i mean only thing that changes is the
terminology but as far as
the love and the consciousness in the
awareness and
uh even even a lot of the spiritual
practice if if any you know what i'm
saying is
is similar uh regardless of
religion race or creed i think that's
really interesting that uh
when people get kind of you know
tempered by
the world and going through these
similar
experiences in life obviously you you
talk about the mosaic and the allegories
and things like that within it and
the alchemist is very similar to that
and people end up at this
similar place of you know
i'm okay with the way that
you know where i am right now the now
moment no matter what that is and i
appreciate
i'm not a victim anymore you know
there's so much that i mean we can go on
and on and on about these different
troops that
we arrive at um towards the center of
the wheel
yeah and and here's here's what i love
how is it possible that in under an hour
i meet a person that i've never seen i
never even knew you existed 10 minutes
before we got on this call
that we could have such resonance that
we could believe
so so similarly that we could find so
much simpatico
in who you are and the stories you tell
which are different than the stories
that i tell which are different
experiences
but they're saying underneath this
experience of the of what you're saying
is the experience of of commonality that
we all hold together
and we just need to go deeper one of the
pains that i have the biggest pains that
i have
are the pains that we don't know
ourselves as a people
and the more that we get to know
ourselves the more we come to the hub of
our wheel
and we realize that everything that we
do is just spokes on the wheel our
practice our spirituality
they're just smokes on the wheel the hub
of the wheel is who we are
and when we understand that who we are
is that hub of the wheel
all of a sudden everybody becomes a part
of everybody's welcome into that hub
because that hub embraces us all that
was the experience the
protagonist in the in the mosaic had
when he went through
and and the the wise one
introduced him to the mosaic he gave him
a a tap on the head like that
and suddenly everything was everything
there was no
there was no past present and future
there was no you there was no me
there was no place where my body ended
in europe it began we were a part of the
same
creation and suddenly mo
who's the protagonist in the story said
wow
i've never experienced this before and
when he had that exp
those words broke the broke the feeling
of what was going on
and he woke up on a street corner next
to a to a street artist
who was putting together pieces of a
mosaic that people would bring to him
shattered shattered pieces of things
that they no longer needed
and he was making these mosaics on the
floor and he looked at mo and he said
when you look at these pieces what do
you see mo most people only see broken
pieces
and he said i'm afraid i see broken
pieces too
and he said the street artist said to
him really from the experience you just
had of seeing the totality of the world
as one
you look at these pieces and you see
broken pieces
and most said no i don't see that at all
i just didn't know that you
ex that you knew where i came from here
you said well what do you think you woke
up on
all of a sudden you were here sleeping
on the street corner next to me and you
weren't here
three minutes ago like what do you think
happened
and when we see beyond what we see
when we see that nothing is as it seems
when we understand that we are a part of
something much greater
than what we think we're a part of we
think that we are part of this spiritual
group or this religion
or this wicca or whatever it is we
believe and we think we're the for
being that
you know but that's not that's only
where one spoke on a wheel
and it's okay if we believe it's the
only spoke on the wheel that's fine
behind that nobody cares because behind
that
the wheel has many spokes yeah
it's interesting i mean you know we're
not
i guess with that mindset of being that
not all paths lead to the center
um we're not a spoke going to the center
we are the center like you're saying you
know we are already
maybe the center working out out from it
we are already connected or
a piece of god um and then people would
say you know do all
and they would you know the religious
people who come on here would say okay
trustee are you saying that all paths
lead to god
listen i don't know i haven't walked all
paths i've walked my path and i can tell
you my experiences
with you know a faith or a religion or a
belief system and i can tell you where
it got me
but even that is subjective you know um
whatever that is you can find on stuff
online people who are for or
against it you know i was just speaking
with someone the other day
who has been a new age person her whole
life
and suddenly she had an experience of
christ and she realized that she can't
do the new age thing anymore yeah
and that she has to fight she has she
has to follow christ and she
it scared her a little bit but she she
was so in love and then
and the feeling was so real that she put
away all her
things that were from her new age life
and she said all this time took all her
crystals and all her cards and all her
things like that
and she was she was talking to me
because it's someone i've been mentoring
and she said to me so i it just feels so
like i was going nowhere before and now
i feel like i'm going somewhere
i said well you won't go nowhere because
where you were going let you hear
and so all paths do lead to god
they just might be that you change paths
along the way to get to the path that's
actually the one that will take you
there
so nothing that we've done is
is bad what we've done even your stuff
with wicca
brought you to a place where you now
experience christ
right so how do you know if
that wasn't exactly the steps that you
needed to take
in order to get to where you were it's
all it's all
bigger than we can even imagine yeah
it's all part of it it's all part of it
it's the beauty and the
in the blueprint you know it's part of
it's now seeing conju i love it because
it's contrast you know it's the contrast
of being at rock bottom to being
in heavenly bliss you know both and i'm
sure there's even
to even think that either one was even
the
bottom of bottoms right or the top of
tops that you've experienced and
encountered
there's more i believe that but for for
us we
now it allows us to see that things are
not just black and white there's many
gradients
in between of shades of gray and
gradients of of colors even
um that we're able to see and train
ourselves to see
um because of those experiences whether
it is through
uh life experiences or or faith or
you know even on the financial system
you know we're talking about
being friends with millionaires and
being friends with homeless people like
that is very interesting to me as well
because i i i now have those friends
who literally are homeless and they want
to hang out and have a beer and
talk about whatever they'll talk god
they'll talk spirituality they'll talk
problems whatever and
and and their experience is valid and
they have wisdom to bring to the table
but then i have
the the other friends who you know own
private jets and yachts and
many houses and they're millionaires
literally and uh and they'll hang out
and have a beer and they're just regular
individuals as well and we we project
onto those people you know and these
ideas of what a homeless person is or
what a millionaire is
and i've had to get over both of those
false ideas you know
but we're dealing like you said with
people and together stories and just to
see them
not see the stuff on the outside but to
see
the individual can i share with you a
story that i
uh one more story
yeah so so another person that was
significant
had significant impact in my life
was not one of the billionaires that i
met or people that
bought inspirational people it was a
homeless man on a street corner in san
diego
i was walking downtown in san diego and
for some reason i felt compelled
to walk over to the sky sitting on the
street corner
and i don't know what the intersection
is called where the pavement meets the
building but he was sitting in that
intersection where he was on the
pavement
back up against them i came up to him
and he said no no no you can't come here
this is my spot this is the only thing i
have in the world don't come here
i this is where i this is my spot this
is my area please you're not welcome
here
and i said there's not a chance in hell
i'm going to go anywhere i just want to
take a few minutes
and get to know you a little bit and he
said
i i can't afford for you to do that i
make money here and if you're here i'm
not going to make any money i'm not
going to be able to get anything
so i make money here so i said how much
do you make in a half an hour
and he said i make five dollars a half
an hour ten dollars an hour and i
i'm sitting here probably 16 hours a day
i makes 160
a day i have to take care of other
homeless people that can't they can't
that aren't as successful as i am so i
need to do it you can't interrupt that
so i said hold on a minute i took out my
wallet and i looked in my wallet and i
saw i had fifty dollars
and i gave him fifty dollars i said this
will cover for half an hour then so you
don't have to worry about
making money but keep your hat out i
think we'll make more money sitting
together than you think we will
and he said you're strange you can sit
down what is it so what's so important
to you
that you want to know and it took me a
little while just to break down because
his his defenses um
and i i said to him finally i said corey
you sit on the street corner and you see
thousands of people pass you every day
if you could stop them and just say
something all to them all at once
what would you say to them what would
you want to what would you want to share
with them
and he said i would tell them to do what
you're doing
i would tell them to take 10 minutes out
of the course of their life and just
spend time with someone they don't know
and ask them how they're doing
and i said corey that's beautiful but
why all this why of all the things you
could ask or would you ask for that
why would why would that be the thing
that you want more than anything else
he said you've told me a lot of stories
let me tell you one
he said danny i hate being homeless i'm
embarrassed and ashamed of myself
i can't believe my life has led me to
this place
but i try and make the best of it but
people
people treat me like i'm a thing they
don't even they don't treat me like i'm
a human being they don't even treat me
like i'm an
animal they treat me like i'm something
that they can just kick or beat
and he said i was i was sitting here one
day and some boys were walking
up up and i was just thinking i want to
be positive i went hi boys how you doing
and they came up and they kicked me and
beat me and left me here on this he left
me here
i didn't know if i was going to make it
through the night i felt like
they just beat the heck out of me
and other people will come by and
they'll spit at me or they'll yell curse
words at me or they'll tell me
what a piece of trash i am some people
will will
walk by and just kick me and steal my
money
he said but one night i was just
sleeping i was just exhausted
and i was woken by a man urinating on me
and i thought that's it that's enough's
enough
and he said danny you don't know it but
the street right behind us is a dark
street nobody walks that street
they all walk this street and i decided
that evening i was going to go when it
got dark and i was going to take my life
behind
on that street where nobody walks and
that's two minutes later
a man came up to me and put his arm put
his hand on my shoulder
he was wearing a three-piece suit and he
said
how you doing brother and i said to him
it's not a good time sir don't talk to
me
you just keep going you don't want to
get involved in this i'm not doing good
keep walking please sir just keep
walking and the man said exactly what
you said when i said that to you he said
there's not a chance in hell i'm going
to do that i'm going to sit here with
you
and take a few minutes to see how you're
doing
and he sat down next to me and i don't
know if it was because he was in the
three-piece suit
and i thought he was important and i was
so totally unimportant i was about to
take my life
but i started crying on his shoulder and
then i started telling him all the
things that were going on and all the
things that i was feeling
he said danny you know it only took
about 10 minutes
and after that 10 minutes i i realized i
couldn't kill myself that evening
because someone who was important in a
three-piece suit
had spent 10 minutes of their time just
being with me he didn't try and help me
he didn't try and fix me he didn't try
and change me he didn't try and
give me a meal he didn't try and find me
a place to stay
all he did was he just listened to me
and i felt heard by him
yeah and i wish i could have found him i
tried looking for him but i wish i could
have found him i wish he would have come
by
because he doesn't know to this day he
doesn't know that he saved my life that
day
well there's a thing called the
butterfly effect
and corey doesn't know that his story
touched me so much that on every podcast
that i've been on and every talk that i
give
on every board room that i go into and
every in every
group that i'm in i try and find a way
to share corey's story
and i'd like to invite the people who
are listening to this podcast
to go into their heart and see if they
can find 10 minutes out of the course of
their life
to go up to someone they don't know and
just ask them how they're doing
you don't need to fix them change them
help them or do anything else
all you need to do is just
love them and care about them enough to
try and find out how they're doing
corey i wish i could tell corey i went
back to look for him i wish i could tell
him
that there are now by now millions of
people that have heard his request
to spend 10 minutes out of the course of
their life to go up and touch somebody
asks them how they're doing
but i haven't been able to find him he's
not on that same street corner anymore i
don't even know if he's still alive
but in honor of corey i ask people who
are listening
take a few minutes and just be with
somebody you don't know and ask them how
they're doing
it's good we think that these homeless
people or we think that people that we
pass by that we don't think have
anything
significant to tell us again if we would
just spend a few minutes with them they
could change our lives
i'm with it i got a um i got a audio
clip i want to play you a little short
clip
really rings true to that too and i
really love this individual
and um and his thoughts but it brings
tears to my eyes
to hear this clip and i'll set it up but
i just want to let anybody know if y'all
have questions you want to join the
stream here and ask daniel or myself a
question now's the time to do that
the link is in the description of the
videos you can join the
uh zoom link here and uh ask a question
if you like
but this clip here is from someone
an artist very near and dear to my heart
uh marilyn manson
and so you know everything that went on
i was a die hard manson fan back in the
90s in high school and um
and when everything that happened with
columbine and the shootings at columbine
and he got blamed for all that he's a
shock rocker it was easy
for people to blame him and you know
challenging
the status quo challenging religion free
thinking
you know and and putting on a heck of a
stage show to do so there i mean he
religious groups would protest his his
concerts and they
he would be banned from uh different
cities and things like that
but um all that that happened with
columbine and this is a short
clip from the bowling for columbine
documentary that came out
and uh it's pretty profound what he says
here but i'm gonna play this clip i want
you to hear it but it's definitely
definitely ties into what you just said
but check it out when i was a kid
growing up
music was the escape that's the only
thing that
uh had no judgments you know you put on
a record and it's not gonna yell at you
for dressing the way you do
it's going to make you feel better about
it
some will be so brash to ask if we
believe that all who hear manson
tomorrow night will go out and commit
violent acts
the answer is no but does everybody who
watches a lexus ad go and buy a lexus
no but a few do i definitely
can see why they would pick me because i
think it's easy to throw my face on a tv
because
i'm in the end sort of a poster boy for
fear
because i represent what everyone's
afraid of because i do
and say what i want if marilyn manson
can walk into our town and promote hate
violence suicide
death drug use and columbine-like
behavior
i can say not without a flight you can't
the two by-products of that whole
tragedy were
violence and entertainment and gun
control and how perfect that that was
the two
um things that we were going to talk
about with the upcoming election
and also then we forgot about monica
lewinsky we forgot about
the president was shooting bombs
overseas
yet i'm a bad guy because
i've i've seen some rock and roll songs
and who's a bigger influence the
president or marilyn manson
do you know i'd like to thank me but i'm
going to go with the president do you
know that the day the columbine happened
the united states dropped more bombs on
kosovo than
any other time during that war i do know
that and i think that that's really
ironic you know that that
nobody said well maybe the president had
an influence on this violent behavior
no because that's that's not the way the
media wants to take it and spin and turn
it into fear because then you're
watching television
you're watching the news you're being
pumped full of fear
there's floods there's aids there's
murder
cut to commercial buy the acura buy the
colgate if you have bad breath they're
not going to talk to you
if you got pimples the girl's not going
to you
and it's just this it's a campaign of
fear
and consumption and that's what i think
that it's all based on is the whole idea
that
keep everyone afraid and they'll consume
and that's that's really as simple as it
can be boiled down to
right if you were to talk directly to
the to the kids at columbine or the
people in that community what would what
would you say to them if they were here
right now
i wouldn't say a single word to him i
would listen to what they have to say
and that's what no one did
i would listen to him and hear what they
have to say because that's what no one
ever did just going along with the you
know the sentiment of
listening to people yeah and if you
think about
if you think about just what happened in
our country a few days ago
some people will say those are
anarchists and those are people that are
that are you know trying to tear down
our country or
but again i think that if peop they are
people that no one's listened to
they haven't felt hurt they haven't felt
listened so if you remember my
daughter's story
speak yell tantrum attack when you they
don't feel heard that's the progression
that everybody in the world goes through
and so if someone is at the place where
they are attacking
boy it's long overdue that we sit and
say what is it you're really trying to
say
what is it you really want what haven't
we heard not not that you hate
us or you hate what's behind that what
is it that you really need to say
what would we say to our kids if we were
just to be able to say
i'm willing to listen to you why are you
so angry what would we say to in
business if someone has a dispute with
us what is it you really want like
what's going on tell us tell me what you
feel
tell me what's actually happening it
will dissipate all this hatred
all this shame all this stuff that's
coming at us
it would dissipate in moments if people
just felt listened to
because when my daughter was tantruming
and attacking she wasn't trying to be
hurt anymore
she was just frustrated that she wasn't
hurt yeah
right it's the
yeah and it's the about being proactive
with this stuff instead of responding to
the backlash of
you know a city that is devastated or a
family that is dead
devastated or you know working off of
the um
you know reactions versus being
proactive and and doing this and
obviously learning from your mistakes
yeah and
you know admitting that you were wrong
or admitting that you could have done
things better and i think that that's
how we
we really do progress and like i said
those people on the left and the right
listen the truth is somewhere in the
middle one yeah
and i love that this this revolution of
listening that i'm trying to create
came from a developmentally delayed kid
and a homeless man it's
it's just so beautiful to me
it's not it didn't come from a preacher
although it could have it didn't come
from a
swami although it could have but
then again the most important thing we
haven't done
also is we haven't even listened to
ourselves we don't know what our voice
is saying
we're so caught up in the noise of the
world around us
that we've forgotten to hear what we're
saying so if we're not listening to
ourselves why would we listen to anybody
else
we're just surrounding ourselves with
silos of like-minded people
who who support us and what we believe
because we're too scared to know what's
outside of that silo
but outside of that silo is this
creation of innovation
outside of that silo is where miracles
happen outside of our comfort zone
is where every good change happens
so if people want to join me in the
revolution of listening there is no
charge to it there is no you don't have
to wear your hair a certain way or grow
a beard or
wear certain clothes all you have to do
is what cory said take ten minutes out
of the course of your life
and go off to someone you don't know and
listen to them or what
manson said in in marilyn manson said in
that
they just just put listen
just listen to each other
yep because that's what nobody ever did
it's what we don't do still
yeah that's good well daniel man
i uh really enjoyed this conversation
and uh
man just the wisdom that you brought to
the table and just
being able to connect with you and and
hear your story
and your your book is the mosaic it is
available
on amazon you have a website if you want
to go ahead and plug the website where
is the best place for people to check
out your work
sure they and i'm sure you'll have this
in the show notes too but it's daniel
it's just daniel bruce levin.com and
please if somebody
wants to if you feel unheard out there
reach out
that's what i do now all i want to do is
hear what you is hear what you want to
say
so if you feel unheard or if you want to
learn how to do this i'm happy to be
to work with you to get that to happen
but for anybody who doesn't feel hurt
get in touch with me and and let's have
a conversation so that you
know that there's one small place in the
world where someone actually will listen
to what you're saying without judgment
without trying to change your belief
systems without trying to
correct you or make you wrong or find
fault in what you're saying
but just honestly wants to hear you and
and and
love you and accept you exactly as you
are
that's good thanks so much for hanging
out brother we'll have to do it again
it was great to meet you i would love
that it's my honor it's just a joy to be
here with you thank you brother
all right my brother many blessings
thank you
ciao daniel bruce
levin ladies and gentlemen this book is
the mosaic
and uh make sure you guys check that out
it will be linked in the show notes and
on the website and all that good stuff
as well
all those places man uh
so much to say when it when it comes to
just listening and
being heard you know what would you say
i'm telling you like there's times and
i've heard that that that manson clip
uh a lot i've heard it many times and
almost every time it just
you know i hold back tears listening to
that that sentiment because you know
you know i was one of those individuals
and um
you know there's many people out there
whether they're teenagers or adults or
whatever
like nobody you feel like nobody hears
you you know
you're just lashing out you're looking
for a group to identify with and that's
the thing man
people will cling to the first group
even hate groups man a lot of those hate
groups that that people feel like
they're a part of
they cling to them because they feel
like
they listen to them they feel like
they're heard
you know and so it's really really
interesting
to uh to check it out to see where
people feel like they have a family
where they feel like they um belong
so you know we got to make sure that
we're creating that safe space for
people to to talk and i don't
you know when it comes to spiritual
beliefs or religious beliefs you know
that's definitely what this podcast kind
of caters to and my work
and stuff so um
you know i'm open for discussion and
many of you who have been here for a
long time know that we've interviewed
some really interesting people who have
crazy like unbelievable stories you know
and i i and they're really hard to
believe um
and i don't believe every everyone who
comes on this podcast and
but i also understand that some of the
things that i talk about that i've
experienced um
are pretty unbelievable as well so i
have to show those people the same type
of
grace if you will um when it comes to
you know testimonies and and believing
in some of these crazy
conspiracies or experiences and so um
you know i don't believe it just because
some someone told me and uh i know i i
had a friend
i don't know if he still listens but he
was a good friend and he got offended
because
he was telling me some things that was
happening
and it wasn't that it wasn't that i
didn't believe him maybe i did i don't
know it was just it was hard to believe
for sure
um targeted individuals you know when it
comes to that and there's a lot of
people
into that movement who thinks that the
government is
putting you know bugs in their home or
sending agents and vans to follow them
down the street and stuff like that
do i believe that those psyops and
things happens yeah but just
you know ordinary everyday people um
not so much you know not so much i don't
think that there's too many reasons to
uh you know use the time and the
resources to
put surveillance on people unless they
are maybe a threat to
to some some you know in some shape or
form but
uh some of those people would feel like
just because they
tweeted something or they shared in alex
jones article that
they knew when they shared it that this
is going to get them in trouble and then
they just start kind of putting things
together
i approach all of this stuff from a
spiritual perspective
so when it comes to targeted individuals
i do know what schizophrenia is i do
know
um you know that that that people
are being watched and surveilled by the
entities demonic entities that are
associated with
understanding and and doctrines and
beliefs and
and agendas and things like that they're
tightly
knitted with those things and that's
exactly what they are
mindsets that that get into your mind
and make you think that
you know you're being followed and
you're being watched by all these kind
of things and stuff so
when a friend of mine you know came to
me like that's like listen
like believing you is one thing but you
got to have like proof
once you pull out your cell phone and
record them oh well you know when you
pull the cell phone out it stops working
because they got a scrambler in that van
that scrambles your cell phone signal
you know you just hear these listen if
if helic black helicopters are flying
over your house
and vans of of agents are coming to your
house to
watch you and spy on you like get them
on camera man like if they're
coming in your house in the middle of
the night and doing stuff on you like
there's things that you could do to
to prove that and the you know and
i don't necessarily believe all that
stuff um
could could it be for sure 100 that's
the thing it does you don't need my
validation though
your truth is your truth if you need
people to agree with you and to pat you
on the back about whatever
first of all you need to know that what
you're um
talking about is crazy it is is weird
it's out there
and most everything we talk about on
this show is crazy it's weird it's out
there
you know i talk about my ufo experiences
and the individual got mad because
or maybe got hurt because maybe i just
expect people to believe
my experiences with ufos and aliens and
demons and all of jesus and all this
stuff they just expect
me to believe them when i didn't believe
their story and uh
i don't expect you just to believe
anything at face value you know what i'm
saying i don't expect you to believe
any story or belief or doctrine like
it's up to you to to look it up to
move into it i think that the
interesting thing is that
you know we get into maybe such
practices and
experiences that are repeatable where
you can actually find out for yourselves
whether it is ce5 whatever it is an
encounter with
the divine through meditation through
plant medicines whatever it may be
there's different ways to
uh tap back into those things there's a
there's a way to get back to it and so
that's the the interesting thing and
that and that is something that can help
you and it's something that can
you know um assist you in your life um
but no it's not i want to see it like i
just
you got to understand the stuff that
we've been told man
people are talking about they're they're
married to entities in another realm
like they are in
romantic relationships people have told
us that on the show and
like i don't know do i think that you
believe it for sure
like just because you believe it doesn't
mean that it's true it is true to you
but do i necessarily believe it to be
true no
take a picture man get that entity to
manifest if that entity has
any power or anything they can
you know manifest in this realm and
maybe let you take a picture or do
something on camera and i know it that
sounds simple or
or whatever and i know it doesn't always
work like that but
um for us just to just start believing
everything that's out there
you have those people as well so and i
would just want to
make sure that i'm not that person who
just i believe that all things are
possible i believe that if you believe
it
it becomes true and i believe that it
shows you shows itself to you
it affects you consciously in the way
that you see things the way that you see
people the way that you see life
and so you essentially attract those
things to you
whatever it is so i mean i could totally
go down that rabbit hole and
the government's after me man they want
me to they're gonna shut down my youtube
page they're gonna do this they're gonna
do
that you know and and probably i could
start saying things that would trigger
the algorithm
and all that kind of stuff and then
guess what i would manifest that into my
reality
so you manifest a lot of this stuff
not you know because you know as a man
thinketh in his heart so shall it be if
you believe it's true it'll be true to
you
so i'm saying move beyond that
negativity move beyond the hatred
and the things that are killing you or
whatever and begin to step into some of
the beautiful things
that we have in life relationships
experiences
spirituality you know that's what i try
to bring to the table
and so if i'm not you know feeding into
the
conspiracy uh
you know conspiracy theory stuff the
fear
agenda which trust me i believe all
things are possible
i'm a conspiracy theorist at heart i
told y'all that that's why i don't get
into him
i know how much it would consume me
chris garner in the chat says
in thousands of years there has never
been one lizard man whistleblower
that's loyalty lol yeah
yeah they never caught one okay well
they say they're catching them on camera
chris
because you know like when they do these
speeches and stuff their eyes will
their eyes will blink while they're
still open like they have another set of
uh
eyelids beyond their human eyelids so a
lot of those guys
we've you know those guys have been
exposed that's old news brother
the lizard men have been exposed
you know tons of theories
as far as i'm concerned they're all true
i've seen some weird stuff
we've heard some weird stories um so
you know we're interesting times
we definitely are so it's time to for me
to go to where the peace is what is
peaceful
what is helping me not to freak out like
in my mind i think of myself like
what is it what does it take for me not
to do what those people did
you know at the capitol spirituality not
just that but it could be a lot
worse any of these people that are just
freaking screaming and crying in the
streets and trying to
you know make change or whatever
um you know a lot of people think they
were justified you know what i'm saying
uh but
you know not that i guess i mean other
things
what is it you know what am i doing to
maintain my peace
because uh there's a lot of reasons not
to
there's a lot of reasons to quit trying
there's a lot of reasons to give up
there's a lot of reasons to uh abandon
ship
you know so what what am i doing
that uh to communicate with the warlocks
and witch elves
with the powers to switch realms they
got knives out of split elks
i'm just reading some lyrics here in the
uh in the chat shout out to you guys
i'm messing with you yeah reading the
chat here
um yep kill a priest
so make sure y'all check out his the
talk we did on his show we had fun
i guess with that man i'ma say peace and
shalom i'm just rambling here at the end
i've got some
some other stuff i'm gonna put together
here soon and um
and you know we'll go deeper into some
other stuff here
um want to give my opinions i got some
new music coming out for those of you
who are patrons there's some new music
that i'm working on
it's very hard for me to to work on
music these days but uh
every now and then i'll get something
that uh that i like
i'll find a really good beat that's the
first thing is to find a good beat that
i resonate with and then once i get the
beat
i start writing the lyrics but now all
of my i'm using all the same rhyming
words from other songs
i'm writing different lyrics but all the
rhyming words are
once i hear one word my mind just spoon
you know you go into those rhyming
schemes and i'm just like recreating
other songs and i think that's a that's
a disservice to the art
it's a disservice to my past song that
i'm stealing from you know what i'm
saying
so i i don't want to do that so it's
gotten a lot harder for me to write
songs and i've been very vocal about
that for
the last year that's why you haven't
seen a lot of new music
well there's about there's about eight
songs i think
uh that have come out within the last
year but they are on page patreon i
think two of them are public
um i'm actually waiting for uh a song
to come up on spotify
and as soon as it goes public on spotify
we shot a new video
for a song and uh as soon as it comes up
on here i'm going to release the video
which i don't know when that'll be i
released it over a week ago so
but it's still not up yet as soon as
it's up i'll have a new music video out
for
a new song that not many people know
that i was working on
um so that'll be up it's something
something new for you guys
and uh yeah that's pretty much it i
guess without
further ado i'm going to go ahead and
jump off of here
enjoyed it richie says remember to
breathe drink water and stay healthy
yes yes um
chris garner says peace is being lost
they just doing what the news tells them
to do
yeah it's crazy man mindless
self-indulgence man
sheep sheep sheep sheep
david says i have no idea how you say
what you say but i love it
and i've had amazing experiences and
encounters with no words to describe
yeah i think there's beauty in trying to
describe it but
obviously words come up short every time
you can try to describe it just like the
apostle paul did i think when he talked
about his experience and
going to the third heavens you know he
says he encountered things that it's not
permissible for men to even speak of
like how do you speak of colors that
that have sound and sounds that have
colors and
and cogs and sacred geometry that's
communicating with you
like how do you explain that in our
limited uh
language the only way you can do that is
to set up the encounter for someone else
to experience it
you begin to experience it for others
and you mentioned the ce5
um
you know the ce5 i don't think it's
beginning to strive i think the ce5 is
just
asking you know you ask
for a sighting you ask for an encounter
um you could be blindsided by an
encounter walking down the street and
get knocked off your horse like the
apostle paul
but i do think that many of the
spiritual experiences and paranormal
stuff in the bible a lot of them guys
facilitated that stuff and dudes were
very spiritual
and they carried themselves a certain
type of way and they had a strict diet i
mean there's a lot of stuff that really
um catered to their spiritual
experiences for sure and i think that
we're no different chris garner says the
cia made the term conspiracy theory
actually
and that's what they always they always
they're saying now after that was that
one of those documentaries came out
where they talked about it
and now everybody's telling us you know
the cia made that term they wanted you
to call it a spirit conspiracy theory so
no one would believe you
the cia actually made it up you know
that's their excuse when you bring up
conspiracy theory
so everything's a conspiracy man until
you you know
until maybe it becomes
you know second nature
but then again it's not agreed upon by
everybody until and to some people it's
conspiracy
one man's truth is another man's
conspiracy
it ain't real it ain't true it's not a
myth
um the narratives what's actually going
on
what is actually going on with
the government trump
what is actually going on because to me
all of them are real they're they're
they're all real all the conspiracy
theories are real
but what is that gonna like what are you
gonna do
fema camps fema coffins 911
you know all this stuff it's all real
but what you're going to do about it
except
freak the hell out nothing
you better work on yourself change
yourself if you want to change the world
marching ain't going to change nothing
you didn't you ain't seen the government
push back yet
richie says conspire means to breeze yep
let us conspire together
breathe that's what i want to do just
get get together and breathe with you
guys i only want to talk about new
experiences i don't even want to
um teach nothing i don't want to hear
what you got to say i just want to
breathe with you
sharing that conscious breath that's
what we do thursday nights join us with
that it's really fun
inspired to breathe what three heaven
phase says
no the apostle paul in in the book of uh
romans talks about
an experience where someone was caught
up into the third heavens
and um i'm my belief is that that is
past outer space that is like where the
what we call the kingdom of god
um past outer space
first second and third heavens and uh he
didn't know if he took his body with him
it was
so real it was like an outer body
experience he was in this other realm
but it was so real that he in the text
he questions if he even took his body
with them he was like
it was so strong that i don't know if i
went there in my spirit if my spirit
left my body and went or my whole body
was there it was so real
um so that that's an experience in the
uh
in the book of romans and uh i believe
that's a
i believe he did something to facilitate
that as well
i don't believe that he was just walking
down the street and got pulled into this
trance
that's most christians believe that that
you know you don't seek those things
brother they just happen
yeah right
so i've been saying i'm gonna get off of
here i'm getting off
love you guys and uh we'll do it again
thursday we're gonna do it again might
do come back and do another live stream
who knows
what happened fun it's all good we'll
see you guys soon
peace
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