Deliverance Ministry, Healing Inner Wounds & Childhood Trauma | Anthony Cummings
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Anthony Cummings who is Anthony Cummings
some of you may know him
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while you you may recognize him some of
you may not he's not a bigger name you
know we like to kind of have some of the
people with big names and they bring
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mind tonight's show is gonna be
essential tonight's show is gonna be
someone like I said you probably have
never heard of but you will you're gonna
know his name very shortly as far as
studying the Scriptures of someone who
has given himself over to studying the
scriptures he's laid his life down for
the cause of Christ and he has the scars
to prove it and he's come out on the
other side victorious he's got an
awesome story and he is an awesome
brother in Christ so I'm gonna welcome
to the podcast
Anthony Cummings what's going on my
brother hey man how are you doing
welcome to the show man we said you have
a massive privilege to come on the show
it's been a long time it's been a long
time me and Anthony go back some years
we Anthony we hooked up on during the
myspace days I think it was and found a
common interest in music and I think
early on we were into some of the
political stuff a lot of people who are
in the awakening movements they get in
they come in through Alex Jones and
finding out that the government is
corrupt and the government doesn't care
about you and things like that right we
come in through those streams so me and
Anthony met through having a common
interest in music and the political
stuff so we we became friends through
that he spent some time living with me
we opened up our home he spent a couple
months living with me and we started a
band a group called until Shiloh comes
I'll let you talk a little bit about
that from your perspective man yeah
definitely that was interesting have you
ever did
a coup stick hip-hop project before what
we did that because I know you were in
hip-hop I can't rap but I played guitar
and I could sing but have you ever did
anything like that before was that
unique that was that was just the first
time just a vision and we made it happen
yeah first time yeah definitely so I've
never did that before that was actually
very interesting in so me and Derrick
became close we've had our differences
in the past but we were both very
passionate man for us III never took on
the name true seeker I hope there but
there could you at least say I had some
sort of passion seeking the truth right
here so we would man we met in prayer
meetings we met and we became more
together man and through the good bad
and ugly and you know some one of those
things were what I liked about Derrick
is that you can be authentic with them
you know he knew everybody's got
struggles everybody's got failures
everybody has a past and even in the
scriptures when you look at anybody in
the scriptures everybody has some sort
of weaknesses or failures and but God
can redeem that and that's one of those
things it's taking a long time and
because as you're going through the
wilderness as you're going through these
things it doesn't feel good man but at
the same time I would say I don't I'm
Derrick I'd like to see what you would
see on this but there are songs there
are lessons and there are maturity steps
of maturity you take in characters on so
forth that birth out of suffering and
struggle and trial would you agree with
that a million percent yeah I mean I had
the run in the hard way I told a friend
the other day I said no matter how much
Hebrew Greek Aramaic you read no matter
how much you learn of the original
languages no matter no matter how much
scholarship you read even though there's
some amazing scholarship out there and I
would promote a lot of it that's it's
reliable there are only for me man I
think I started to speak myself man
there's only lessons that I learned
going through suffering
I wouldn't wish it on nobody but there
are lessons and character growths that I
only learned going through suffering man
I mean you want to share a little bit
about that yeah that's just that's one
thing that we've been on a lot lately is
the fact of going through these trials
and tests which this is debatable but I
say take heart because they're ordered
by the Lord man he I believe he sets him
up he builds character within us he
becomes a father to
the fatherless and he teaches us things
and he takes us under under his wing to
teach us how to become men how to show
compassion and I say I tell a lot of
people now I try not to put my mouth on
people and speak evil against any man
these days because I know how it feels
to have whole congregations of people
speak evil of you and I and we can
wallow and Adhan and say you know what
man these people don't like me they
don't welcome me but you know what so
okay let me learn from that let me
welcome those who are the outcast
because I know how it feels to be an
outcast
so in those structures man God is
teaching us these principles that no man
had compete to it's just strictly you
and God man definitely and I think a lot
of the songs at least from my end came
from coming up and a broken home I mean
you saw it with the fatherless song I've
over and over again they're like we got
to sing that song I'm like oh but that
song man listen I was going through
struggling moving around I think I wrote
that acoustic song under a tree at
midnight just crying out to God it said
listen I'm nobody special man so it's
one of those things where I'm like God
help you know like I you know I couldn't
help but I don't wish bad on my father
but he ran out on me you know and how
many stories have we heard there it man
I think we've met both of us know
several people were they come up in
dysfunctional homes their father wasn't
there for them or maybe their mother ran
out you know things like that and when I
first came to faith I think I shared
this with you that the first scripture
that I claimed to at 13 and 14 years old
so I didn't come up in the Christian
home I didn't come up with a church
family nothing like that man my family
mocked me for consent to the faith in
the gospel but it was Psalm 68 five and
six where it says that God talked about
the God of Israel is a father to the
fatherless and a defender of the widows
that meant so much to me that later on a
life I got a tattoo of it not that it
makes me more spiritual but you know I'm
saying it's just for those things where
it meant so much that that was a prayer
of my life man because it's it's not
easy coming up and a broken home because
I think there's an attack on fathers I
told a friend of mine here at work the
other day there's a there's a movement
for feminists there's a movement for
people who want to commit abortions
right so if my dad walks out on a child
right he's a deadbeat dad but if a woman
commit abortion she's okay she should
celebrate her freedom and her feminism
because she can go kill a baby no no
again I know that's debatable how people
there's different intentions behind that
but it's really weird man without saying
it it's almost like there's an attack on
fatherhood father figures or manhood
yeah yeah I mean would you agree or
disagree what you thought I agree 100%
man you know something that was few and
far between back in the day you know 20
years ago now it's the common it's the
common thing and I I discourage my
friends who are having a hard time even
with their with their families even with
their wives and stuff and I just seen it
happen time and time again of divorce
and then they they get to start over
they get to relive childhood again and
the dad gets to walk out and in a man
because I came from that I'm passionate
against it man and I try we try to work
with with couples and encourage young
couples to stay together and I'm saying
work through those those those problems
and and but I would say to anybody young
who's getting together make sure that
that's the one for you you know make
sure that that when you with somebody
make sure it's the person you can't live
without make sure that that's your other
half and that's the person who God has
for you and when you find that person
then it's time to go to war over
anything I'm saying with your
relationship and protect it man because
it's it's it's delicate you know so I
encourage young people to to wait I'm
saying to make sure that whoever they're
with because maybe even with us man
early on it was a trend like it was a
trend me and my wife got married early
and then all of our friends started
getting married when they were together
for a month or two months and I hold on
wait wait wait we've been together for
like you know three years before we did
this and but it was like a trend and
then you know they get married for a
month and then they get divorce and it's
like there was no sanctity there man but
marriage is a beautiful covenant
marriages can't be broken it's a
covenant that's sealed in blood but
between you know you and your partner
and before the eyes of gods
and so many I mean there is attack on
the family and there's attack on the
father's as well so going back it
happened to me I'm passionate about it
happened to you when you as a kid your
father walked out right so go into that
a little bit man about the things that
other kids who have dads they naturally
receive from a father affection love
adoration you know things like that
you don't saying yeah affirmation that
you didn't get talk a little bit about
that yeah definitely man well for me I
ain't grew up in a broken home I grew up
in Southern Mississippi and a town
called Lucy I don't think anybody's ever
heard of that or if you have you're from
Mississippi you know about that it's
it's very close to mobile 30 minutes
from Mobile Alabama and so for me man I
grew up in a broken home my dad left me
when I was a kid and then my mom died
when I was 12 years old before she died
she remarried to a stepdad and my step
that was a alcoholic abusive so from the
get-go it was like while it's just a
wild life luckily or you don't call it
bless whatever you wanna put what word
you want to put on there I had a friend
invite me to from the church and
thankfully it was some sort of cultic
Christian movement or some like that
right they at least and the Foundation's
correct and I heard the gospel is being
preached and and I did receive Jesus and
I it's one of those things man where
it's not a formula you know what it is
like Corinthian 517 says if you're in
Christ you know you're a new creation
old things passed away the old things
become new and that's just not an
intellectual thing that's just not you
read it in the Greek or you read it in
English and okay you believe it
intellectually but you experience the
presence of God you know that you're a
new life in Christ but here's the thing
that nobody told me well nobody told me
it was just because you're in Christ
just because you are genuinely you
passed with that the life you pass
darkness to light you really know the
presence of Christ in your life that
doesn't mean that suddenly all your
immaturity goes away
suddenly the abandonment issues go away
that means oh man you are fully mature
you have no insecurities no fears no
management issues
no bondages sort of so on and so forth I
think you would say what are the well
what's the word you used Eric I think
it's spiritual bondages and I've heard
you before but yeah so
that happened and then thank God for
people different families in my life
there were certain elders in the church
that took me in there are certain youth
pastors to help me out so I'm in debt to
people that did help me when I'm looking
but when looking back on this because
there were times in my life I'm going
God you know I'm not forcing this on my
family I'm just trying to be honest with
you in the midst of my good bad know
that what's what's going on here you
know so it took a lot of stumbling for
me just because you know yeah just
because you experience the presence of
God your lives through the gospel does
not mean that you don't have to grow
doesn't mean you have to deal with
wounded past wounds whatever you want to
call it generational curses if you want
to put it that way these things have to
be dealt with even as a believer even as
a believer you have to do with you so I
can go into a long I don't wanna take up
all your time but that's sort of the
backdrop of where I came from and now I
have a passion toward that you have one
reason now I'm in my life becoming a
life coach it's because you know you can
study on the scholarship which I love
doing and I've invested my life into
eight to nine years studying Biblical
Hebrew and that's wonderful
study about three or four years going
into Koine Greek New Testament Greek
that's great where you can study the
Septuagint a New Testament the original
language that's great you know Aramaic
read the portions and so on and so forth
the Old Testament that's great I'm not
against that that's great but those
things do not take away spiritual
bondages if you just have an
intellectual knowledge of the Bible
which is great we should study the show
ourselves approved right and rightly
divide the word of God doctrines
essential consistent doctrine is
essential but just because you have
intellectual logical reasonable
arguments which is good for apologetics
it still doesn't take away
it still doesn't a lot of times help if
there's spiritual bondage there if
there's wounds there that the Holy
Spirit has to heal or when I say the
Holy Spirit it can be personal or he can
use right relationships he definitely
uses right relationships and so I can go
a lot deeper but that's a backdrop that
makes sense yeah and it's it's things
that if we don't deal with it it will
deal with us
absolutely to our deathbed essentially
and we'll bring it into relationships
and this is trauma the
stuff that's happened to us with you
know as we were child like you know we
were talking about it earlier like my
wife's reading this book right now and
one of the examples given is that um
when you were a kid if your dad was gone
out of town to make money to put food on
the table begin he wasn't around a lot
he wasn't able to be at birthday parties
or show up to ball games or whatever you
may equate being wealthy and making
money with time spent away from the
family right and that could that could
bring in an ungodly belief to where you
are apprehensive to get wealth or for
God opening up doors in your life to
obtain wealth because you equate it with
Tom away from the family and you do not
want it
I was totally there I thought that's
what it would it meant as well so I mean
that's an example I did and here's
another example for my audience I deal
with this all the time the New Age crowd
who come in and we mentioned Jesus they
get offended they get mad and it's not
that with Jesus as a bad person or
something like that Jesus is the most
beautiful person or being who ever
existed so for you to get mad at someone
who represents in embodies peace that's
an example of something of a trauma or a
pastor who spoke ill towards you a
family member who was a Christian who
gave you this false representation of
Jesus and as many in the new-age circles
when you mentioned the name of Jesus
they get mad Oh relationship issues you
know you're in it you know the the
examples are endless
you know you get you get cheated on by
your spouse and you know when you were
dating or something
and now every person who comes into your
life you're waiting for them to cheat I
have a friend now who his dad was an
addict and he's now walking into
generational curses of his father and
he's walking into footsteps others his
father's now healed and delivered and
walking in freedom but now he's walking
in the same footsteps of his father and
he expects these he gives himself like
Oh every every every six
Monsoor so I relapse and he keeps
speaking that out you got to deal with
that that's not truth that's not that's
not the Word of God that every six
months you're gonna relapse and it just
happens and you got to fight that no you
got to deal with that stuff and so
that's what we're talking about about
these dealing with these wounds and
these traumas that play into our lives
years later it gets scoffed at
I've been sitting I've sat in meetings
even in Pentecostal churches that when
the term deliverance is is mentioned in
that there's this other thing that takes
place after you become a Christian after
you give your life to Christ
most people say okay it stops at Calv
Calvary like that's it
we're at Calvary jesus paid it all we're
all good and it gets scoffed at that we
go to deliverance ministry my life 100%
changed when I got filled with the Holy
Spirit one and then when I was led
through deliverance ministry and so I
want you to go into a little bit when
because you mentioned it earlier coming
to Christ but it there was other things
that were hanging on how do we deal with
the things even as Christians how do we
deal with those things through
deliverance ministry yeah definitely
well I've seen the mourn you have to be
willing because I've met people let me
just share with you I have a friend here
and this part of Texas where I'm at and
we were talking as a co-worker I won't
mention names we were talking about
struggles and so on and so forth and I
was just asking you know probing
questions because we have this
relationships not forcing anything and
eventually my friend my co-worker said
you know I the belief was this because
they experienced trauma because they
experienced woundedness abandonment
issues because guys had used her the
belief was I'm not worthy to have a
right relationship yeah and I was like I
said I said what would it take for you
to deal with that belief you know do you
believe that and what would it take
change that belief because it's amazing
man they psychologists or what you want
to call it in our healing people they'll
say that the there's what they call
these live based beliefs that we have
when we feel pain or abandonment issues
or whatever it is we tend to start
believing okay okay we're not worthy I'm
only gonna be where I am right now
because and even if I wanted to become
it's too late so we speak a lot of means
subconsciously there we speak a lot of
lies to ourselves over and over and over
in our head well I can't move forward
because if I do move forward you know
what are these people gonna think you
know am i worthy of even moving forward
what's it gonna take
I don't have the money to move forward
all these excuses keep us built and we
don't even say them out loud
we just think them you know I mean I did
I mean seriously you know and so but it
really does go back to willingness are
you really are we willing to deal with
these things and it's not going to be I
mean I don't know if I got the box okay
I've seen instant delivery where
somebody was a part of a gang they get
filled the Spirit of God they leave the
gang and her life has changed they
doesn't mean they'll ever have have have
to go through other things but most of
the time it's day by day by day no and
and it starts off with are we willing
number one to go through that too and
number two are we willing to let people
help us man I didn't feel worthy of
letting people I mean you saw in my life
man where I was always and I don't have
enough money at the moment or hey these
people are gonna not like me man if I
don't have the car if I don't have the
house man yeah we all did yeah so like
it and because there's a it's almost
like a subconscious standard even though
I never had a Christian tell me this yes
the subconscious American standard is if
I don't have a car if I don't have a
house if I don't have the PhD behind my
name I'm not worthy of anything in the
church I'm not gonna be a speaker I
can't disciple nobody I can't be a
preacher teacher I can't and that's such
a lie man it's great now listen me and
you both have learning you turn me on
the doctor my visor I would never have
known him without you I'm thankful for
really good you know good scholars like
that but the honest truth is man Peter
wasn't a scholar if we're gonna look at
the New Testament Paul was the scholar
but Peter wasn't the scholar right and
so there was different people that God
used different areas of you know and
they all had issues right just because
Peter had the Spirit of God doesn't mean
he opposed the will of God right when
Jesus then I gotta go to the cross and
die and Peter says it's not gonna be he
says get behind me safe you can
translate as you know get behind me cuz
you're opposing the will of God because
so time can simply mean somebody who
opposes or no could they didn't either
way however when I translated that well
the whole point is just because he was a
sincere believer of Christ and a
follower
does not mean he had other things he had
to work through yeah and school but yeah
man what I would say is like for me it
took me a long time to feel I had to get
to the bottom and even at the bottom
sometimes of your life you don't feel
worthy
it took man it just come it took getting
tired of being at the bottom some people
say you have to be at the bottom the
bottom of the barrel and then it comes
to the point where okay I'm not gonna
live here the rest of my life move the
weekends no one move forward and so for
me it's one of those things where I had
to be a willingness and then number two
I had to admit and even though I knew
the presence of God and even though I
know there's grace giftings and
functions that we all have by the Spirit
of God there are areas in my life there
are areas in our lives about speak for
me personally that I can't move forward
on my own and it was natural for me to
be a loner because I come up in a broken
home so no matter how like I said man no
matter how much original language is
apologetics or whatever you read that's
great intellectual information and to
have to defend the faith to maybe share
and encourage believers but there are
areas in our life man that I'm convinced
of it now that we will not move forward
without right relationships we just wall
I mean that that's for me I don't know
how do you feel about that yeah I mean a
hundred percent man you know without the
I mean I don't and and that's why I got
up you're talking about faith in action
too right um I quit studying because
I've studied so much I'm I'm with you
because I think me and you whenever we
were together we both tapped in to this
realm of studying you went more of the
the languages Biblical Hebrew messianic
route and I was there a little bit and
then I went more of into the New Age
realm studying there and how it relates
back to our faith and assigned and
everything that we have in common and
things like that
and we studied that and studying and
studying and studying and whether its
conspiracy theories or what I found out
that I don't like I've done the studying
now it's time to put it in action like
let's let's top it up and I'm tired of
even sitting down and having debates
about what Jesus meant and what you know
Revelation 12:9 means for the in
where are we pre-trib I don't have those
discussions for the most part anymore I
stray away because I see what they do to
relationships
I have people in my life who were just
they want to take my doctrine apart to
see what we have differently so that
they can walk away and say oh you
believe that see Jesus never said and
they leave or whatever so um at the
point of where we think we should be is
not to wrestle over what Jesus said or
what what it says in the Old Testament
or whatever the case is what the
Scriptures mean and to just simply do
what Jesus did he went out there and
showed grace and mercy to those who
didn't deserve it
let's start there let's let's go to the
widow into the orphan and let's tell
them that they're not alone and most of
my messages I'm telling people right now
is that you're not alone they're like oh
my god the stuff you're talking about in
your music the stuff on your podcasts
I've never talked to anyone about it
yeah and you're the first person I heard
vocalize what goes on in my head
guess what I tell them you're not alone
right we are many we are many you're not
alone and just let them know that they
are loved and that God loves them and
has a plan for them and to try to
disciple them maybe through a podcast or
through something that they don't even
know that they're hearing biblical
teaching because just coming through the
conversation so simply go out and do the
simple works of Jesus right and I think
we could start there and there's so much
that we can having in common there so
but when it goes back going back to the
subject matter to go back to deliverance
ministry why it's important and first of
all what it is okay this is a this is a
spiritual talk show right why are you
guys talking about the Bible why are you
guys talking about trauma and wounds and
things like that and getting over past
hurts because what we say spirituality
101 the Bible 101 is that demons and
fallen angels and spirits they set up
themselves as thought patterns in your
mind and as ungodly beliefs and they get
you to think a certain way about
yourself about others about the church
about Jesus they want you to think a
certain type of way and you have to deal
with them do
the Scriptures the Bible talks talks
about that we don't wrestle against
flesh and blood but against powers and
principalities in high places and it
talks about these strongholds it calls
them that cause these demonic
principalities strongholds that come in
through unwrite teaching through through
trauma through different things like
that and you begin to think that these
thoughts or these voices are you they
speak as as they you that that you're
supposed to to judge people that these
type of ways so the scriptures go into a
lot of detail about the mind about the
thought patterns of man and how to deal
with it
so going back to where you were Anthony
um what happened when you went into
these private sessions to talk about
into to vocalize first of all to confess
it like the scripture says to confess
these things you may have not even told
anybody and what happened when you did
that man yeah definitely man I think I
told you about this so hopefully these
guys get a kick out of there watching
this remember I told you I think the
first counseling session I had or inner
healing session we're going to call it
because I was a believer and to give a
little back stuff backdrop I'd moved
around a lot again never lost my faith
in Jesus I think the hardest hurdle in
my life was to get over Church her
Christians you know they're the worst
ones man yeah but in my first session
man you know they always say okay where
you at you know what do you know like
you know where are you at right now what
are you feeling what's going on and I
tell you man my first extolled you
people this I'll make it live it is what
it is my first session I said the church
don't give an Shi T and I said the world
don't give an SI Johnny that's right I
shared that with you yeah I said you
know I said because basically I said I
was so angry again not angry at Jesus
because Jesus didn't fail me it was
either myself failing myself
aurilla with other people that I looked
up to and maybe had an unrealistic
expectation I had an unrealistic
expectation so so what it took was
little by little going back to the root
issues you know I've heard other people
they're just like certain people are
cessationist they said all the spiritual
gifts are done away with or without say
oh we're no longer casting out demons
sit here going where the demons go man
they just disappeared
I mean does it say that Jesus died on
the cross and every principality just
went underground or so come on where do
they get this stuff from
or the award or they'll say or the you
know like the spiritual gifts in a way I
always joke with people say look I guess
John and the island of Patmos when he's
writing this revelation down in Greek
where can you imagine the Apostles Derek
if you were living in that day they're
casting out demons of prophesy and
they're doing everything that the book
of Acts says and John finishes the last
Greek letter of Revelation and the
cannons closed right quote/unquote and
as soon as you rise to grasp glass Greek
letter everything disappears up the
apostles like we can't cast out demons
anymore the gifts are done away with the
canons that sounds so ridiculous to me
and I hope I'm not offending people my
Calvinistic brothers but that's how
ridiculous that sounds to me when it
says Oh soon as the can enclose the the
gifts of the Spirit are done away with
no more casting out demons you know this
the opposite here going this is if
that's the case there's no reason for
unbelievers to come to Jesus because
there's no evidence that Jesus has risen
from the dead outside of your
intellectual scholarship they need to
see power right so if you don't have a
prophetic gift things if you don't have
you can't cast out demons if you can't
do the things that Jesus did if we can't
do those things were powerless
why does a church what is a dying world
and look on us and say well you've got
great scholarship you got great
intellectualism you've got great
arguments but where's the power of Jesus
in your life you know a lot of people so
anyway am I in the sessions I was in men
it took me being willing because at
first to be all honest I was pitiful man
I didn't you know I'm gonna be honest
are these guys going to judge me or
these guys no look now because I'm
wounded so on and so forth but they
didn't and over time do it it took time
to allow the Holy Spirit and here's one
thing I'll say cuz I don't want people
to think I'm weird little be honest the
mind is spiritual again if you were to
cut my head open if I die you can pull
out the brains you can't pull out the
mind the mind of spiritual is completely
spiritual and the scriptures talk about
that having the mind of Christ how do
you have the mind of Christ he didn't
say have the brain of Christ and no it
didn't it didn't say how the the the
organic heart even though the heart is a
euphemism of the thoughts you know
saying but those things where it's it's
spiritual man so again it's almost
unwrapped
layer after layer of lie based belief
and walking through that healing pattern
man because and asking the Holy Spirit
to reveal it to you because again look
consciously man the bills don't stop
coming
subconsciously the pain doesn't stop so
we have we learn to suppress it and and
and hey whether the pain is there or not
I got to keep on to my job I got to keep
paying the bills I got to keep providing
for the family so a lot of times if we
don't take time to have a healthy
atmosphere healthy authentic
relationships if we don't have healthy
people to go to to walk this out a lot
of times we get secluded and we don't
feel like this so it took time so with
me I was introduced through one of my
godparents to a couple counselors and it
took I went through two years of inner
healing counseling counseling now some
people would disagree with the name
excuse me uh it's called the elastics
you know I'm not saying I agree with
everything in it but it did have
foundational biblical consistent truths
where you walk you ask the Holy Spirit
show me what will show me the lie based
belief that I believe why am i believing
this about myself and you're not crying
out the other Spirit you're not saying
any spirit show no force my father in
Jesus name show me you know me better I
know myself like David said you know me
better not know myself just a lot of
times I suppress or I'm scared to look
at those parts of my life because they
bring shame they bring fear they bring a
lot of maybe a lot of pain I'm for years
suppressed and I don't want to feel that
pain anymore so but again if we do not
deal with those areas if we don't walk
out heal and we can only give what we
know we can only give what we were man I
said it all the time does that make
sense it's a time in unraveling the the
layers layer after layer of lie base
belief and in praying for the Holy
Spirit to fill and then pray for the
Holy Spirit to give me understanding in
Revelation like okay why did this happen
or you like well my dad abused it or my
stepdad abused me you know it in those
sessions so they didn't have to tell me
the Holy Spirit showed me why my dad did
those things you know one of those
things my stepdad hit me one time when I
was really young
no he was drunk I didn't want to forgive
them but once I walk through forgiving
them you know they said what's the Holy
Spirit speaking you and and that's
another thing they're how many of us are
ever taught how to hear the Holy Spirit
or how to recognize
if your if your church teaches you that
the Holy Spirit's no longer speaking or
he only speaks through the ink and the
Bible which is great because we always
have to test everything we've always
have to test everything when there's
visions dreams prophecy whatever it is a
still small voice you always have to
test that by the Scriptures contextually
and consistently I'm all for that Dirk
you know that on the other hand does the
Holy Spirit only speak through the ink
on a page can he use vision can he speak
to your mind can he speak through dreams
absolutely he can can he speak to
another brother who has different
spiritual gifts me there were another
sister absolutely he can so it's one of
those things where in those sessions I
was taught this is how the Holy Spirit
speaks he of course he reminds you of
what Jesus said yeah yes he gave
prophetic words he he uses other people
to speak things into your life that I
have they're god-fearing people so yeah
these things help me understand that
that the Holy Spirit's active it's not
just an intellectual thing that he's
really want to see and he is speaking to
us a lot of times we all know how to
recognize him I mean did you when do you
relate with that when you hear about
people talking because if people hear
Holy Spirit they hear God's Spirit and
so on so where they think of speaking
the tongs or a Pentecostal church which
okay that's great but I'm some well very
few people I've come across Derek can
tell me okay I this is how I know what
the scripture teaches and what I've
experienced about God speaking to me
here's how it is boom boom bro okay here
Mike puts thoughts in my head sometimes
I have dreams sometimes rescissions
sometimes it's the prophetic word
sometimes it's through whatever it may
be a lot of people don't they hear it
and certain believers even believe it
but they don't know how to even
recognize it in a what's the word own
thing a practical way does that make
sense yeah and I think it's um it is
very important so what I deal with a lot
of times I believe that um
God gives us these giftings God gives us
these these abilities and stuff in a lot
of times I think we're born with it
I think we're born more apt to the
spirit or able to discern spirits as a
kid and you bring a baby into a room and
a baby is scared of a person because
they can feel things when I'm right
stuff like that so I believe that we all
have these different abilities and
giftings which are given by God and it's
it but to you
we have to be taught of the Lord of how
to communicate with him how to sense his
presence in everything and so we have a
lot of people who come into this who are
having these experiences and they don't
know how to they don't know what it is
they don't even know that it's a thing
they walk into a large group of people
and they automatically can tell what
these people are thinking this is
biblical Jesus did this and so these are
teenagers most most of the people in the
Bible were teenagers who were used of
God young men and these people go into a
large room and they can feel what these
people are thinking what these people
are doing they know the thoughts of
their hearts and that's overwhelming
when you're a kid so what happens a lot
of times they have they need to talk to
a counselor they need to talk to their
parents or they lash out they don't know
what's going on it's scary that's why I
believe man that when the scripture says
that the Spirit of the prophets are
subject unto the prophets I believe that
it is up for the the older prophets for
us to come in and tell these people
what's going on to say hey look when you
get those urges and this isn't a dis
everybody has their own parts in the
body but a pastor may not know what it's
like to wake up and see a spirit on your
ceiling in the middle of the night with
a message from God that's biblical Jobe
had it a smoke spirits and angels and
when this is happening to kids and in so
this is my big thing where my heart is
and I'm given to it because if the
church can't tell you what's going on
you know who will the New Agers there's
real of to tell you what those things
are so it's our responsibility and that
if we deny that we're denying a piece of
Jesus and that's what was taught to me
and so understanding it so it's like a
you have to have a clear pathway open to
receive from the Lord so you're not
trying to let it come through the hurt
and Minister out of hurt you know I'm
saying so we have to deal with that hurt
anybody if you're walking in the spirit
if you're tapped into the spiritual
giftings you have to get deliverance
each and every single one of you guys
you
have to let the Holy Spirit search your
heart and take out all the other offense
that's one thing Jesus dealt with the
offenses man being offended by by the
words of others and and and it it
changing you man and so that's why that
in in Corinthians
I think it's 1st Corinthians 14 is first
a second it talks about the spiritual
gifts and it says that you may all
prophesy and and nobody likes this
translation but there's there's a
translation that says to to earnestly
desire and there's another translation
that's a zealously lust after the
spiritual spiritual gifts to desire them
with all of your heart to want to move
in those those areas so they are one
hundred percent for today God didn't
stop them in and so that's that's my
heart that's why I'm here is to say okay
this is what's going on and this is how
we deal with it but the role of getting
healing in your own life so you're not
ministering out hurt there's so many
people out there now they're on the
radio they're on TV that's your local
church down owners on the corner and
they're ministering out of hurt and
offense and they don't feel worthy of a
certain thing or they or they don't like
gay people so therefore God don't like
gay people or they don't like witches
and warlocks oh god don't like witches
in water and study minister out of their
own desires of their own hearts and what
they they feel in it's very dangerous
man but when you deal with that stuff
man the Spirit of God just begins to
flow through you and use you in ways and
wonders that your note that you would
have never imagined and it flows freely
from the throne of grace and that's
where we need to be absolutely what we
need to be I want to share something man
because I don't want people thinking
that we have you know that that you know
we have it all figured out I mean the
thing is there's foundations like I
always tell my friends you made your own
the majors and minor in the minors as
even in the midst of believers there's
people that have you know they'll fail
to make back and forth on certain things
so I just say listen let's major on the
majors and minors on the minor situation
yeah I mean on the man I just came back
from Mexico six months ago and with my
wife and we're working through her
progress you know her immigration
progress right now and
we mainly came back from Mexico to the
States to try to restore things with my
father now my father I'm 36 years old my
father left me when I was a baby and so
over time through one of his sisters we
got back in touch with me four years ago
and so he invited me and my wife you
know I said hey you want to come back to
the States and so on and so forth if you
want to come back here I said sure so
we've been here six months and it's one
of those things where I'm thankful on
one hand that he's doing what he knows
to do on the other hand because he
himself has not had healing from his
past he's been abused in this past
because he hasn't had healing from his
past my wife could attest to this she's
over there right now she's camera shy
but she tests to this because he don't
have healing and because he's where he's
at in his life right now he does not
know how to still love me as a son
like you when he gets he still that's
one of the things I'm not gossiping we
all have our issues okay one of those
things where he will stay up to 3 or 4
a.m. in the morning drinking and in an
egg gardening at 3 or 4 a.m. it's is
kind of odd right but and then he'll go
to work faithfully but that's just
that's his pattern and so the only way I
asked him I said hey man can we go get
some coffee one day just kind of sit
down the ketchup and he didn't want to I
mean he's he's not mean yeah but did not
want to get personal because I don't
know I mean I don't know for sure but
what I sense was a lot of shame a lot of
hurt but he's buried it with you know he
used to be a heavy drug user now he's
drinking a lot so my heart goes out to
him so they're all my carnal and daring
I didn't want to forgive him we went to
a lot of stuff where I don't have fun
cues on certain things and on the other
end it's like this I kept getting
reminded again and my thoughts okay
nothing crazy but in my thoughts that
Psalm 24 says you know that God seeks
those who have a pure heart clean hands
like worship is not music at first
worship is having a pure heart and clean
heads you know nobody can come to the
Father except having a pure heart clean
hands you've got to come
that's your lifestyles active worship
yeah and so forget even operating in the
spiritual gifts forget teaching right
doctrine forget teaching that stuff or
go walking in that stuff man if you
don't have a pure heart and clean hands
to begin
with because God's not gonna honor the
other stuff if that's not beginning so
it's one of those things where God kept
reminding the Holy Spirit kept bringing
to my thoughts you got to forgive him
even if he's not willing to move forward
with you in a relationship right now and
that dude that's hard it's one of those
things where it's almost like we're
victimized we become the you know we
feel like okay now we're the ones being
you know for me but at the same time the
question is this how much is it gonna
cost us to remain that mindset Oh for me
I deserve this oh poor me oh my I'm the
victim here because because they I can
always point a finger to somebody else
who didn't do something for me I can
always point the blame to somebody else
the question is how much is it gonna
cost us to keep doing that because the
more we blame other people the more we
are not moving forward we're not moving
forward and healing we're not moving
forward in healthy relationships and
misery loves company so we will only be
around those people who justify our
victimized attitude does that make sense
I know that strong words I hope people's
not getting offended I'm just being
honest oh yeah like attracts like man
you know that
yeah Mike attracts like it sometimes we
just want those people around us who
will almost reinforce our belief system
no matter how faulty it is right just so
that to know that we don't feel
condemnation or feel that we're wrong
let me ask you this man
has your dad heard you tell him that you
forgive him for all that you know
walking out and stuff have y'all had
that heart to heart absolutely yeah
my wife heard me say that several times
to him I said man I'm not here to hold
anything against you cuz I his big thing
was he was really nervous about how I
was gonna react when I came back yeah
and I told him several times I'm not
here to hold anything over because my
flesh does my soul sram1 to of course of
course but what's that gonna do what's
it gonna do really if he said the point
his life where he can't even hardly move
forward he's barely keeping a job living
week to week you know I mean how is that
going to help him to bring more guilt on
top of that yeah it's not gonna so is
one of those things where I came here
and the honest intention was I don't
want to hold this over you at the same
time and even though Jesus did say you
know and I'm still working progress over
this bless those who curse you forgive
those who do you're wrong I can quote
that
give me the grace to keep walking it out
because it's not always easy to walk out
I've never seen in the scriptures where
Jesus said trust those no matter what oh
yeah you know so now you know how to
trust the Lord so listen I love my dad
there is honestly being honest here I
wish I had this fabulous testimony that
everything is restored some of what a
summons restored but at the same time
there's still a lack of trust because he
told me like about a month ago that his
vehicle means more than I do as a son
and that his drinking means more than I
do that this shows me I know again in
the flesh I could get super findell for
that yeah take it the prayer it just
shows me because he's not willing to
deal with the deeper wounds in his life
that you were shame in his life that
means there's always me and listen we
all got vices as okay there's always an
issue behind the Vice does that make
sense
somebody's addicted to drinking you know
a lot of times it's not me me and they
may acquire the taste and they may enjoy
beer man and whatever but if they're
addicted to it so much they're trying to
get out of reality it's always something
behind that advice it's causing that
vices under access organic and
pornography will never maybe there's
always an issue behind it so the device
itself is not the issue
it's what's behind it that's causing
that make sense yeah totally
dealing with your dad it's obvious to me
I took you know I'm saying to be able to
discern it I'm sure it's obvious to you
though you represent something that he
can't he can't turn back time he can't
undo it he can't restore 35 years and be
a father so you when he sees you you
represent that you've done your part as
far as releasing him from it and even
letting him know that he's released from
and you hold no regrets no it you know
I'm saying ill-will towards him you love
him as a father regardless of what he
did so you did your part and that's the
I believe that's the first step for him
walking in his healing in his victory
but that's one thing that we can't we
can't turn back we can't change it's
time and and there's there's things that
that we do in words that we say that we
can't take back and I don't think he
meant that though Anthony about the car
I think that you know the truck or
whatever I don't think he meant that one
bit
that was just him trying to cope with it
and deal with it
what you remind him of and that's a good
thing because he has to deal with it is
good but what's what's there now with
what didn't exist is a relationship may
not be the best one yet but it's there
it's a relationship and so God God is
working on that that's awesome to hear
man
there's no ill will look I said honestly
there's there's trust issues there but
there's no people me and my wife I said
we don't wish bad on them at all
we think we're thankful that we had the
time to spend time with him and you know
he's got my phone number now and I you
know I know where he works we actually
work at the same place in different
departments so some of those things
where overtime maybe maybe something to
work out or just I'm praying for him in
the same grace that I need but at the
same time just like anybody nobody's a
superhero being a believer in Jesus okay
okay that PhD behind the name or have
loads of money or not nobody's a
superhero there's always gonna be that
like what proverbs talks about guard
your heart right so generalist think you
love somebody but you gotta guard your
heart so it's that's kind of where my
where I'm at and we just keep praying
for men because like I said I don't want
to pray for somebody in a way that there
weren't intention that I don't need
myself I always say God help me pray for
somebody and the same measure grace the
truth that I continually mean daily
myself because I know grace every day
man so but yeah it's interesting that
the end but the whole point is how does
somebody move forward as a disciple of
Christ or even if you're not a believer
in Jesus how do you move forward in
maturity say you want to do something in
and yet you hold on the pain you hold of
a trauma you hold on to I justify this
pain I are i justified blaming other
people stuff in their goddamn I've been
there the problem is you can live that
outlets and there's no here's the other
thing some people may say well I just
don't feel the freedom to vent this out
because of event and out people's gonna
just say I'm a victim and and they're
gonna condemn me I think there's a time
it and maybe you can speak on this if
you want to there there's a time when we
get the pain out yeah okay to vent it's
okay it's okay to say I'll have it all
together sometimes yeah sounds a lot of
people are scared to do that cuz they're
like I gotta be the tough Christian man
I got yeah
man I got it brother so listen - no but
but but at the same time what did Paul
do I mean you see where at times he had
weaknesses and sometimes you have
strengths man and he would he would call
the Barnabas I'm him in the farthest got
an argument and action and axe but then
when Paul's in prison who does he call
he calls Barnabas because part of it
Barnabas is more of a pastoral you know
so there's people with different graced
giftings and functions in their life and
we need one another so it's one of those
things where I think the scriptures say
this to rejoice with those who rejoice
and weep with those who weep and it's
not always easy it's real easy to say oh
god bless Jesus and Jesus died for me
and that's great and I believe in him
but really dude going through those when
people's weeping do we really want to
weep with them now again I'm not saying
wallow with them and justify them men
and able their bad habits I'm not saying
that but like jokes friends they set
their silent with him for when he lost
everything yeah cuz what can you say to
somebody like that if you had a friend
that just suddenly had a car wreck and
the his wife died are you gonna say
Romans 8:28 God works all things I know
man listen that's true some people
romance but but no you go over this
house and say man I'm sorry what can I
can I just sit with you you know saying
go can I I saw her and then over time
you can say okay since you are a
believer and I know this is a hard time
man we're here what we just what we can
do for you no you want me to just a sit
silent shut up yeah I will you know
saying then over time you can say look
man that's the fact God does work thing
all things to those who love Christ you
know and you know but you just don't
just fire that off in the beginning when
somebody's going through a traumatic
moment when they lost a heart you don't
think so it just takes time man I don't
think the balance there because I'm
trying to find it life and I don't
always have it but the balance is I want
to I want to let people vent as I as
people have let me vent out page and
anger that I needed to get out that I
didn't need to suffer but at the same
time I'm like God help me have a sermon
as other people in my life had the
sermon toward me not to enable staying
there okay so we get we get the pain out
we get the hurt out okay what's the
practical healthy account of
step toward moving forward and getting
over that yeah some people don't want to
move forward man some people do some
people don't and yes I did it's it's
heartbreaking but what do you do with
somebody that moves forward
you still love and pray for them but you
got to move forward with those who do
want to move forward and that's that's
all that's a hard thing sometimes you
know what you were speaking on a while
ago about when you really want it you
know no you know I'm saying nobody can
stop you but you have to confess it and
in the scriptures are cleared many times
about the power of spoken word about
releasing people about just confessing
your sins one to another so that you may
be healed there's a story that you you
should always tell me about a church
service that you went to about a young
man who wanted freedom and he was he was
okay with being laughed at but tell that
story about this young man who wanted
freedom oh that's awesome I have to
attack Josh into this I moved to
Illinois and I was actually helping with
music with this church and there were
these members of a gang a local gang
that was really what called the lynch
mob and they were serious these guys
were pretty feared by a lot of people
make a long story short they heard the
gospel and came to Jesus and one of them
his name was Josh and so an evangelist
came in to speak and so we had three
sections of the church about 300 people
in three different sections I was a
youth section and so we were sitting in
the youth section and Josh played music
as low so he was sitting right next to
me you had the teenage girls teenage
guys you know eighteen twenty fifteen
year olds whatever and so the Evangelist
gets up and says okay on the count of
three we're gonna we're going to yell
out our bondage our spiritual bondage
here we're gonna believe Jesus to break
that bond is now again I don't see that
Scripture I mean if you want to buy
confessed by faith that's fine but I put
anyway my friend my friend jobs next to
me said you know he said masturbation
and you know and so he was dealing with
porn addiction as a believer and a lot
of people look at that go how dared you
how you be a Christian people laughed
about it yeah oh yeah and I'm saying
you're gonna look guys show me one
person else out of Jesus who did not
have weaknesses I'm not trying to
justify sin but show me one person that
did not deal
some sort of human aspect of weakness in
their life you know it's a lot of times
there's this perspective there's this
presupposition there's this premise that
if you're a Christian you can't struggle
at all who put that up there yeah that's
not tousle isn't even the Hebrew promise
didn't live that way now again they they
learn to move forward they had and
here's the key thing they had right
relationships had right accountability
of course the Lord spoke to them but
there wasn't in a vacuum they needed
other people they're human men
they're human with the Spirit of God so
it's like I I don't I just like being
around Christians or people who assume
that oh if you're a Christian you can't
have any kind of wounds any kind of
insecurity any kind of deliverance you
need yeah if you ain't got it all
figured out that I'm sitting on you have
a standard that even the New Testament
apostles didn't live up to because they
had weaknesses they had to deal with
you know not I mean oh it's one of those
things where it begins like you said
James chapter 5 verse 16 confess your
sins or confess your faults one another
that you may find healing you know and
then your prayer what is this again then
your prayer will be powerful you know
saying then it will be effectual yeah
but it's not effectual if we're hiding
sin if we come to meet you and Derek
there we used up remedies in Derek's
house if we were to come together and
have a prayer meeting and there's
secrets in going on you think God's come
out and have it that place you think the
Holy Spirit kind of know because God
cares about pure hearts and clean hands
first and foremost I remember one time
they're gonna say this is shut up
Vanessa said you know that line and then
in the project 86 song I think it's a
little green in truth is heroes album
yeah where Andrew Schwab says you can
you know we can figure what he says
something like you can something like
you can sing psalms into your throat
bleeds or something like that and and so
on and so forth because let's all sing
sing a song a lot of sing sing sing
until our throats bleed you know any
stuff he's kind of like making a an
exaggerated a point that just because
you sing songs doesn't mean that there's
not a spiritual war going on doesn't
mean if you want ain't got issues to
work with you know and so ami rows in
one time I had a guy that was having
this youth event and I came in to do
some music and it was just me on
acoustic guitar and there was a youth
met and some three songs and and again I
just felt this conviction you know
to say this so one of these youth I said
listen guys I say this an all love that
I can say it but you can sing songs
about Jesus to your throat leads if you
got hidden sin in your life if you've
got hidden sin your life if you don't
have pure hearts and clean hands if you
got a fence towards somebody right now
but you're raising your hand saying oh I
love Jesus you're it's like you're no
better than Isaiah chapter 1 where
Isaiah rebuked the Israelites who were
going through the religious motions oh
we keep the Sabbath day oh we're doing
burnt offerings oh we're doing this
we're singing songs to Yahweh and Isaiah
says what does God say says I have my
soul hates what you're doing because you
have a religious appearance you've got
this religious system going on but your
hearts are not clean your hands are not
you don't say so you whole persona of a
religious system that doesn't have the
Spirit of God with it doesn't have the
favor of God with it but you're going on
to the like like like Jesus and ylabel
to see you oh we have no need of
anything we've got our whole church
service going on we got everything we
need and Jesus says you're poor wretched
wretched and naked he says you don't
even know how poor you are because you
got your whole system going on
naturalistically in the flesh but you
don't even realize the Spirit of God is
not with you
yeah Holy Spirit the presence of God is
not even with you so again sure worship
men begins with having a pure heart and
clean hands and then you can sing songs
and then you convinced her then you can
do these things if not the spiritual
gifts don't mean anything
it begins with walking with him with a
clean conscience right I mean what are
your thoughts you know I agree a million
percent man but I will say that for us
or anybody who's been a part of a church
service or or just a Bible study group
man because we have the most powerful
times of just meeting with a small group
of people and when we begin to confess
sin to one another and before God change
happens for one man and now out there
was Tom's because I've I've studied so
much man and I've been in a part of
cults and weird friends groups of the
Hebrew Israelites and learned a lot of
good stuff there but there was some
stuff that creeped in that messed up the
way I viewed Christians that I viewed
people and and I and I was like okay man
I reached this point that I'll never be
able to to forget these thoughts or to
get these thoughts out of my
the way I see people and it messed me up
and I knew it did and um and so I got
before some brothers in and you know I'm
saying during prayer and worship just a
couple guys and I confessed it and say
hey y'all I want y'all to pray for me
this is what's going on
you know I need help and I want to
confess it and get rid of it and I
confessed it to them with tears I sought
the Lord and instantly that spirit which
we talked about earlier these spirits
are thought forms and patterns that are
ungodly beliefs about yourself about
life about God whatever the Bible the
Bible's fake whatever the case is like
these thoughts is not that's not true
you know I'm saying these different
thought forms that you have that aren't
of God and they changed the way that you
view people and you experience life so I
dealt with that dude and instantly man
that spirit left me I felt the release
from heaven and that spirit left and
those thoughts left me and I was clear
minded and clear-headed again and it was
so beautiful and I've had I've had I
have to do that a lot I have to do that
I've had to do it a lot anyway well I'll
get before brother said hey man I'm
dealing with this please help me let's
pray let's confess it and when we do
that see essentially right now that is
symbolic of in the Old Testament
bringing something to the altar and
laying it down before God and giving it
up say okay god this is mine I've been
cultivating this I want to give it to
you would you take it from me lay it
down on the altar he consumes it with
fire as a burnt offering and it's
worship to him so that's our idolatry
our ungodly beliefs anything that exalts
itself against the knowledge of God lay
it down at the feet of King Jesus if you
want to if you want to experience
freedom trust me do it it's so beautiful
and he answers with fire and his fire is
his presence that's our inheritance his
presence that helps us get through life
and it's the quickening of the Holy
Spirit when I got born again and I was
always lonely man and I've suicidal and
felt alone bro and uh when I got born
again and the Holy Spirit came I've
never felt like I was by myself ever
again
that still small voice speaks to me
jesus said that my seed
hear my voice in a stranger's voice they
will not follow so we learned his voice
and he guides us through the wilderness
he guides us up through the valleys and
even on top of the mountains and he
takes us places that we could never go
if we tried to get there on our own but
following him and this beautiful dance
man which is done with the baptism of
the Holy Spirit man is so good man I
told someone friends you know that have
different beliefs like they say the
gifts are done away with or something
like that now say you know listen when
once saved always saved people I'm
sitting there going look the Apostles
wouldn't have written most of their
letters if there wasn't issues in the
believing community they always dealt
with issues yeah right now they always
say we love you we come to you in the
name of the grace of our Lord Jesus
Christ and so forth but never know they
always deal with things and there were
warnings to believers a lot of times
believers like okay I'm okay with Jesus
right now you know nothing is gonna take
his salvation true nothing can take away
his finished work yeah you can choose to
walk away we can choose remember the
parable of the sower man goes for
different grounds right one of those
people that received the gospel they
received it with joy but when
persecution and trial came because they
didn't still be right yeah and there are
going Jesus promise tribulation it's for
believers you know that doesn't mean
it's always going to all be tribulation
but it doesn't there is none who
tribulation
pause they'll often who live godly lives
are misled Jesus in Christ Jesus will
suffer some sort of persecution god only
knows the level of that you know and
jesus even said if we don't love him
more than our father mother sister
brother stepbrother stepsister our
spouse Niemann are all children we're
not worthy that doesn't mean I don't lay
my life down for my wife but if my wife
ever told me to renounce the gospel like
I love you hon but no you know what I
think I think that's a spirit the spirit
that you spoke on that because there's
some people in the chat room right now
talking about that same scripture spirit
yeah man I thought you were smash yeah I
can't see this I can't see the chat room
but it's pretty good man well it's
interesting guys if I could say anything
there is this is that sometimes listen
God can heal miraculously
listen man Jesus said you know if he
told the Jews he was talking to in a
certain context if you being
evil know how to give your children good
things right you know if it comes up to
you asking for a fish you won't give
them a stone right or you're not giving
them a serpent he said with those who
ask the Father for the Holy Spirit he'll
give it to you you know saying and that
and listen there are places in the New
Testament where you okay you're born
again you're a new creation in Christ
but there's a subsequent filling then
you see it in you know like their
scriptures and Ephesians when you
converging language be being filled
continue you know I'm guilty of getting
lazy at times in my past getting you're
letting the stuff get the best of me but
it's true it's not so much a I don't
wanna make it mystical even though it is
a myth it's like God I need your filling
again yeah not that I've ever lost you
but I need the presence arm and Holy
Spirit because a man the flesh
temptation is always there yeah so we
need to him but again right
relationships are so crucial man I
cannot get off this so much because for
me like you Derek isolated myself and I
I don't know man it was just easy for me
to be a loner I learned to be alone from
a young age because of a dysfunctional
home I came in and yet you saw a man of
my life you saw it when I was always
like man I need a fatherly affirmation
why can't you know and then and you saw
me struggle with that you know when I
was it's been a few years now but and so
there is something about a fatherly
affirmation there's something about a
healthy community of believers where you
have a right relationship and I'm not
talking about shallow stuff don't talk
about people that you can open up to and
they open up to you
I told uh I told a recent pastor one
time I said listen I said the I said the
problems not that you're not maybe
teaching sound doctrine I can see that
the problem isn't that you know that
you're not doing good things and serving
community I said a lot of times people
don't think they can get to where you
are because you never share our
struggles man I said I said my
generation and then one under me want to
see they want to see authenticity in the
gospel course but they want to know that
you're human then they wouldn't you know
what if they can't get a million dollars
or a house or car
what if they you can only have the
basics but they know that they want to
know that you struggle sometimes they
want to know that you went through some
kind of breakdown where is your humanity
because if you always come off like you
got everything figured out when you know
you don't
you know you don't you know then it's
hard to trust somebody who thinks
they're there they're untouchable you
know and then Jesus even said father
take this cup from me but nevertheless
you will be done he fully understood our
temptations hebrews chapter 4 verses 15
and 16 said that he was tempted in all
ways like we are do we really believe
that we really believe you just was
tempted to masturbate or cheat or have
sex with another woman that some people
right now are looking at me like you're
you're blaspheming Jesus I'm not man
listen if he fully was fully man and
fully God in the flesh he can relate to
anything he can relate to anything not
even internet or the writer of Hebrews
is a liar he was tempted in all ways and
yet without sin he was tempted not to go
to the cross yeah buddy yet so so we
don't have somebody that can't relate to
us again every way suicidal thoughts
abandonment issues family rejecting us
at times or whatever it may be we've got
somebody that can really relate to us
but a lot of times when I told that
there a guy I found very few leaders
actually talked like this but it's
Scripture
it's absolutely Scripture man and it's
offensive but it's truth it should be
you know I mean yeah man before we go we
only got a few minutes left and I know
you have stuff you had to get to okay so
I want to make sure that we talk about
cuz we're kind of touching around we're
not really getting into it though but
talk about when you went through the
deliverance counseling what changed
like what change like what was bad and
then when you went through the
counseling there was a noticeable
difference a life-changing because I've
got the testimony to I want to hear
yours sure sure absolutely for me man
again it took me willing to submit
somebody again there's that right of
relationships right going to somebody
who's graced and gifted and I'm not in
the area I had to go to them and submit
trust them and then but ultimately man
it took it took them when we pray say
Holy Spirit you bring up the memories
bring up the roots that I've buried so
far deep that I don't want to feel again
that I don't want to relate to again and
bring them up so that we can deal with
them a lot of times man those pains mmm
that I hung on to and suppressed so deep
we're live based beliefs there were live
based beliefs and a lot so like three of
sessions we would pray say you know pray
and that's the Holy spirt to speak to
you now again some people may think
that's just odd and weird I'm sitting
here going but no the Spirit of God does
speak so we would pray and things would
come into my mind you know like you know
okay your dad abused you because of this
is that in the other and you know and so
I once I gain understanding beyond the
initial abuse beyond the initial trauma
beyond the initial feeling of what I was
going through once I gain you understand
why they were like that even if they did
it purposely even if they mocked and did
it purposely God almost showed me you
know the host girl show me why they did
it and I and once I understood why they
did it
you cannot leave some I could release
that exactly and a lot of times we don't
we don't because it's just go go go in
society man like I said there's you know
gotta go to work out of bills got to do
this got to take care of the kids got to
do this
so we rarely take time to really think
upon things we've suppressed and then
that and the deception is if we don't
deal with those things we will never go
forward we'll never mature for or like
you said while ago you did a great point
if we do we will minister out of our
wounds instead of out of healing out of
wholeness yeah and there's so many
people doing it um Carolyn's mention in
the chatroom not right now she's talking
about victimhood and being a victim and
owning that like this is no I'm the
victim and and like you have something
on that person but when you release your
right to have something on them or over
them and you own it you you release it
you give it to God and you forgive them
you move on and then God's able to birth
something in you or give you something
that cuz you kind of like hold and all
this stuff I got my trauma here I got my
pornography here
I got God here the Holy Spirit here I'm
caring the same but we say okay here's
my hurt God I'm gonna trust you with my
heart he'll give you something that
you're supposed to have that you're
supposed to have to walk in your destiny
and walk in you in your call and all of
that stuff you have to use that that you
have to use the hurt and stuff
use it to propel you and to learn from
it
okay I know how it feels to be molested
I'm now I'm not gonna molest anybody I
know how it feels to be called stupid
you never amount to nothing you're
stupid
you'll never be anybody I know how that
feels guess what I'm not gonna say that
to anybody I learned from it right even
that though if somebody says think about
it if somebody says oh you're stupid
you're never gonna amount to anything
that's a type of insecurity that's a
type of fear yeah there's no reason for
somebody to come up to you and just out
of a peace having peace in their heart
you know nobody's probably but having a
peace and satisfaction to come to you
and say you're stupid you're never gonna
mount anything the mere fact you have to
ask why are they sleep not a no-brainer
man yeah okay is it jealousy yeah
Geordie is it fear you know that no
person was even a remote condition or
posture of peace would say that no but I
had a problem with you brother and we've
had our spats back and forth and you've
spoke into my life and I appreciate that
but I've had a problem with you even if
I saw where you were stuck in life the
day the way they deal with you want you
to deal with me it's not for me to come
up to say you're stupid you'll never
amount to anything I may say hey man I
believe in you look at the talents in
your life look look at how much you
study look at the influence you have the
greatest influence on your life I want
to see you walk in that how can I help
you because right now you seem very
stuck because you can't forgive this
person so you're saying the same thing
but in a life-giving gracious but
truthful way because you really care
about the person you want to see them
come forward compared to this accusation
of you're stupid you're never gonna
amount to anything anybody who talk like
that is very insecure jealous you know
because they that's really revealing
their own issues does that make sense
you're not gonna reject their problems
on to you because they themselves can't
move forward does that make sense
yeah yeah there's and there's so many
people who ever felt that and been
through that and and those are the
ungodly beliefs because if especially if
you're young and impressionable because
it was it was done to me when I was a
kid you know I'm saying my mom told me
that you know and um and I didn't
believe it I kind of believed it a
little bit but there was more hurt that
it came from that authority figure
you're stupid I can't believe you would
do that as social like oh wow and you're
speaking out over you as a kid man and
it you have to build relationship man
there's so many I wrote about it in my
book a bunch man but there's just so
many like we say 101 man I'm gonna keep
going back to this that spirits and
demons we like to mystify it and goblins
and getting attacked by evil spirits and
stuff which is all part of that but all
of that is to put fear-based trauma in
you in your mind and to change the way
that you think that change the way that
you you view people you view life you
view yourself and that's what that's
what it is and and throughout the
scriptures man it talks about that and
getting freedom for that and I went
through very similar deliverance
ministry as you and this was I get the
name mixed up was it a bill Hammond out
of afraid I think bill Hammond out of
out of Panama City what was the church
yes so they like specialized in like
putting out materials for people to
guide people through deliverance
ministry and I and so whenever me and my
wife were engaged to be married we had
someone that we went to a home church
group with a small home meeting with we
love these people adored these people
man and they began to became our pastors
but they taught us how to walk in the
prophetic they gave us exercises to do
and ways to pray and how to hear the
Holy Spirit and man that stuff was
foundational for my faith and so we
would do that like every Thursday night
man we go to church too but this was
like better than church because this was
hands-on this with friendships you know
versus sitting down here in a sermon but
um so we were engaged to be married and
I asked first of all we asked our church
pastor to marry us and he said okay and
then he kept pushing our date back and
we try to make plans he kept putting it
off and putting it off and we'd have
meetings with him so okay something's up
let's just go with the person that we
look up to let's ask him and he
he agreed but he said first I want you
guys to go through marriage counseling
and so he we went through marriage
counseling together beforehand which is
something that we all should do as well
someone who's looking to get married um
and then he wanted us to go through
one-on-one deliverance ministry by
ourselves
and why can't we do a bar together he
said no I'm what you do it by yourselves
because it's gonna get kind of personal
and things like that so let's just do it
so he gave us a questionnaire to fill
out and it was kind of fun you're
reading through it and you about your
past and stuff like you know what's your
ancestry do you have this in your
background you have this stuff and then
it's like okay thoughts in your mind
have you had a disease do you think that
you have cancer and it was really weird
because it was it was like do you have
cancer do you have AIDS it's like do you
think you do
as the enemy ever told you that you have
cancer has the devil ever told you that
you're a homosexual that has the devil
ever told you that you're never going to
amount to anything
yes I've I've had those thoughts that
I'm stupid I'm this it was like three
pages and we turn it in and they pray
over they pray and fast over over our
answers as okay so there's they're
praying over this to see what spirits
they got to deal with that have been
have came into my life through my my
lineage which in the Bible calls them
generational curses what they're gonna
have to deal with some of the ungodly
beliefs that are there it's giving them
a heads up they pray and fast over that
and so we go through a couple sessions
of just counselling and in one of my big
things was dealing with pornography
pornography addiction right and it was
it was strong early on man and so it was
so we went to a couple just prep classes
and stuff and then we went to have the
deliverance where they were gonna
initiate the prayer and we're gonna go
ahead and get into the deliverance and
dealing with these issues and we sat
down on the couch and then he said okay
when's the last time you struggle with
pornography and it was a husband and
wife they were older and I said ah today
yeah and they got upset you know you got
a you have to show us that you want this
like
you're still you still fall into the
same sin we want you to make sure that
you're prayed up you're faster and
you're in a good spot so we can approach
this together so that we make sure it
works like we get this healing we have
to go to war we're going to war and I
got upset and they get they were up they
were up they were like disappointed so
it's okay we'll come back next week
we'll do it next week and I'm like okay
so that we prayed and stuff and then the
next week I think the same thing
happened when was the last time you
looked at porn early this morning Oh
Derrick what's the deal do you want this
healing or not yeah I want it but I just
struggle okay well we're gonna keep
gonna continue to pray and we want we
want to want you to get this healing so
then they said we'll do it again next
week and they wanted to see that I can
just show some type of self-control or
something and I really wanted it so the
next week I came back it was like the
third week that they were gonna pray to
actually go into it oh the third time I
don't know if it was weeks in between
but uh sat me down okay Derrick are you
ready I said I'm ready once last time
you looked at porn this morning I
thought you were ready you got a
Derrick come on and it's okay we're
gonna pray and it brings back tears to
my eyes I think about this and so we sat
down to pray to get ready to leave
and I prayed and I said Lord I'm ready
for my deliverance all right oh man it's
awesome go broke I said Lord I'm ready
for my deliverance and I said this in
front of them I said these people are
trying to tell me that I can't have my
victory that they want to put it off but
I want it now I want to now look up God
and the fire God just came I started to
manifest man I started to convulse I
started to shake man I felt God I felt
the demons I thought there's war in my
spirit he's this place that I've that
was familiar with to me ever since I was
a kid began to fight with this new life
that I had received
Christ in it I begin to feel this war
and they said okay let's do it he's
ready and they begin to pray and war
over me and uh they pray for a little
bit and went through counseling with all
like you were saying man deal with all
those beliefs and in my brother and
being tormented by my brother and my
brother used to lock us in chests and in
dresser drawers and shut them and we
just had to be stuck in there and just
trauma man from a kid that we dealt with
it all and we've seen okay what would
Jesus say to this what would Jesus say
to your brother you know and I got to
see Jesus coming in in healing
everything and in a one thing I said
earlier was that we don't have the power
to change the past right we can't we
can't fix those years we can't get time
back but we serve one who can right and
listen there's there's always listen if
you look at the look at the scriptures
man
there's always God always takes these
throwaways or these people who feel like
they don't amount to anything or going
through whatever and he redeems them to
make some powerful witnesses men I mean
look at that Paul was one who killed
Jewish Christians he was he was a
zealous Vinik Jew pharisaical Jew who
thought he was doing the will of God
like killing Jews who believed in Jesus
and when he had his conversion when he
got ahead and they counted on what the
Christ the Messiah now he's building up
Jewish people and Gentiles in Messiah
but he was a murderer man you know he
persecuted the Bride of Christ you know
look I mean you just go through it Noah
was a drunk I mean I know they have
these things online now you can kind of
go through it but you know everybody and
what David was a adulterer he murdered
your eye on the front line etc but he is
a man after God's own heart he was
broken over a sin it's almost like
they're just wrestling going on that we
have the human nature and then yeah we
have the Spirit of God and it's like
cannot use as human beings man it's like
you know one thing I disagree again you
dog us even though I have some
Calvinistic friends I really appreciate
and brothers you know though we are
co-laborers with the Holy Spirit with
Derek I know you would agree with that
yeah you know there's a lot of times
I'll say all we're against synergy
synergy is you know
man has his part of nests and God has
this part but the bottom line is there
several places like converse Corinthians
chapter 6 verse 1 where it talks about
Paul says that we are co-laborers will
fellow workers with God and at other
places like in 2nd Corinthians it looks
like we are Co Labor's we work with God
God draws us God does all the drawing
and the spirit about drugs look we have
to choose to work with him and it's just
one of those things where we have to
choose to submit or humble ourselves as
he's drawing us to do that thing there
and so I agree with you in it
it's a process it said that's the thing
that I wish somebody would have told me
from the get-go is that is that coming
to Christ is such a life-changing thing
however that's just the beginning yeah
that's just the beginning because it's
almost like now you're new one baby
seriously and now you've got to grow and
not only that you got to grow in Christ
but now you've got a Lord want you to
behold but it's like if you go to a
doctor and the doctor says well I just
don't want to hurt your feelings
you know I see it you got a lot on
looking at the cat scans here I'm
looking at the x-rays and I'm looking at
you know everything we've got here but I
don't want to hurt your feelings you
know I want to tell you that you're okay
no no all of us would say that doctor
means to take it his life since taken
away from having the deceptive doctor
yeah any lose his practice you know but
the same thing it's gentleness and
kindness God is long right it says you
know we always love the quote for screen
no searching love is patient love is
kind doesn't seek out for its own so on
so forth well what does this say you
later on first Corinthians 13 6 love
does not rejoice with unrighteousness
like in our day and age we hear a lot of
people like you said man that want to
just throw God's love around and this
making anything goes they like they
promote sensuality and logo saying God's
love so anything goes no no God's love
doesn't rejoice and unrighteousness but
rejoices with the truth right
Philippians chapter 1 verse 9 Paul says
as I pray that your love may abound more
and more in what knowledge and
discernment
if not love just a soulish and motion
but God wants us listen he knows us
better we know ourselves and it takes us
growing personally the guys please it
also get this before I get it I got it
took me almost 35 years to understand
what
tell you because I can't abuse at home
right relationships will take you places
you can't go on your own mm-hmm God has
healthy authentic relationships that we
will never grow it by ourselves no
matter how much we study the Scriptures
no matter how much we fast and pray
those things are good we need to do them
I'm not telling you not to do them but
there is a reason that Jesus sent us
disciples out two by two there's a
reason when they prayed together they
prayed together okay they did pray alone
at times but it was also praying
together and the Spirit of God was so
there's things there's areas there's
matured maturity steps forward
deliverance
there's healings there's there are
things there are places that God wants
to take you and make you whole part of
it will be on you and you seeking Lord
by yourself but another part human be
other healthy relationships you can be
honest and transparent with because if
you can't then we can't deal with these
things there's a reason that there's
three different areas in the scriptures
Paul
Jesus says write forgive those who sin
against you the Lord's Prayer James
chapter 5 verse 16 we mentioned awhile
ago says that we confess our faults to
one another that we may find healing and
there's another version says slipping my
mind right now but it talks about oh
yeah first John chapter 1 verse 9 I
where says you know we confess our sins
he's faithful and just to forgive us
cleanse us right and he's not John's not
talking to pagans or unbelievers he's
talking to Christians yeah
welcome to Messianic believers
Christians confess your sins to one
another then he will cleanse us then we
can move in the spirit then we can move
with right doctrine then we can edify
one another correctly but if we try to
do the edification and the right
doctrine and the moving in the spirit
with with with hidden sin in our life
God's not gonna honor that so it's very
crucially true worship is having a pure
heart and clean hands it begins there
then it extends through your grace
spiritual gift things and wherever
you're wherever God has you going in
life says so anyway that's a yes oh man
um when I went to the deliverance man no
like there was so much notable change
like I said I felt like that thing that
had been with me my whole childhood even
after receiving a baptism of the Holy
Spirit confessing my sins coming to
Christ there was up there was something
actually that needed to be done and I
used to have these fits of rage man when
you're reading in the in the scriptures
in a lot of times it tells us like the
the lust of the flesh or whatever right
that the things that that are that
oppose the spirit if you're not walking
in the spirit these things that you're
gonna practice and one of them is fits
of Rage and I would get mad man I
remember even after being a Christian
arguing with my wife or whatever and I
remember grabbing the steering wheel and
just trying to yank it off the road I
remember um and it would be this weird
anger that came up you know and I
remember playing video games all day and
then she comes home like what are you
doing eating put the clothes up and we
get in to it over something small and I
get up in this weird fit of anger and
start punching holes in the wall lashing
out but when I went through the
deliverance ministry that stuff stopped
that stuff left I've never had to deal
with that a day in my life again now
we've had problems and stuff and we have
things that we have to work through but
but there was so much man so much that
that changed after going through these
sessions man this our Christian
prophetic prayer counseling is is the
name that they the couple who led me and
my wife through it but like I said you
have to want it
well you can't nobody can force it on
you we we have we seen so much freedom
from it mean a couple friends we seen so
much freedom that we were like you guys
got to do this you got to do it and and
other couples would go through it and
they weren't ready they didn't want it
any it was just they couldn't vouch for
it I did it it was good but I don't
really see what y'all were talking about
but it's weird because it's your level
of faith if you want it and if it
resonates with you when we speak these
words if you like man I have those fears
there I have the trauma and as we're
speaking I'm the Holy Spirit will reveal
these things to you and if you're
watching this and you have these these
traumas if you have these things that
you can't seem to get over and you see
your destiny in the future you see the
person that God has called you to be
but that person seems so far away
that person seems like there's no way
that you can get there there's all these
obstacles in between you know that if
you're listening to that if that's you
and you would like to go through these
sessions that we've both experienced
Anthony is almost certified to to
actually um what what is you're actually
getting a degree and because it's a
certification through otherwise Regents
University for life coaching and part of
life coaching is life growth and
sometimes it's more goal orientated but
a lot of times people can't even set
personal goals because they don't
exactly pass their hurts yeah so part of
a coaching process can be walking
through hurts no I'm not a counselor but
we can walk through that as that as the
person wants to walk through that huh
but overall it said the wound is too
deep then I have I'm sure Derek does not
do - we have recommendations for you
guys you can get in touch with yes
there's some man I've done a lot of
private sessions even online through
Skype over telephone where people have
gotten so much healing from it from just
a session our session but but by doing
it and it's awesome
because like I remember going into it I
didn't know I didn't like 100 like one
of my own godly beliefs was that God
wouldn't touch somebody through the
computer screen or over the phone and
pray for him and something happens but
then I try to step out in faith and
somebody somebody coach me somebody
stepped out and say hey try it on me I
have a pain right now would you pray for
my neck and I'll tell you what's going
on and I sprayed I spoke to the word of
faith over them they felt the healing
instantly and this is they encouraged me
it works brother do it be encouraged
this is your calling and I did a couple
sessions man and for me this is what
I've seen and you're gonna see this -
Anthony you're gonna see that there's a
lot of people who want to assist in the
healing of humanity they want to do what
we're doing they want to help people
come and find healing to walk in their
destiny walk in their callings they want
to help people but first they have to
get over their own trauma their own
wounds and the Lord spoke to me he said
what you're going to be doing is healing
the healers
those who are called to heal your gonna
heal them and every every person that I
had on these private sessions were all
people who wanted to do what I was doing
whether it was to do it full-time and
they feel like that's what they want to
do with all of their time is to heal
people and to lead them into counseling
and one-on-one prayer intercession
things like that right and we've seen a
lot of people come forth after going
through these deliverance classes and we
say deliverance and sometimes it's these
big sit downs but sometimes it's even
just like a conversation what we're
having right now just being real with
one another and finding somebody to do
that with and I'll tell you what it
works so much for me and my wife and we
see so much fruit in it and so if you
guys would like to have a session with
Anthony Anthony is available by
appointment I don't think I don't know
if you have a website yet but you do
have an email address in some ways that
people can get in contact with you as
well right yes sir yeah you can contact
me through Anthony J Cummings to 3:05
a1s the letter s at gmail.com but yeah
man listen I wanna ask you something
that Derek okay and that's what right a
long time you'd mentioned long ago
before you went to the deliverance
process to you were playing video games
a lot and I had my issues I was addicted
pornography a lot and let me tell you
something for let me be honest with you
you know how I like to study a lot right
one time the Lord spoke to me and there
was the Holy Spirit man he spoke to me
he no he said he said you bury your
pains behind you study in the scripture
I want to deal with some things in your
life but you cover it up with biblical
study you have a Z for study and there's
nothing wrong with that but because you
have a zeal for study with one of your
oh how can I put it I don't want this to
come on throw away because we aren't
supposed to be good Brienne's right
works us to be good disciples instead of
the scripture but because I had such a
passion I don't know if you can relate
to this but this is something he know me
about it was deep is that my passion to
study over road areas that God wanted to
work on it he loved my life yeah he's
not he never told me not to study he was
saying I was using studying as a cop-out
to not deal with the things that he was
trying to deal with me already with yeah
does that make sense I mean because you
didn't even knew that it's almost like
aw toes you used to have a quota system
yes he said you know it's it's almost
like you can it's almost like you pray
until you really pray some people say oh
we better use wisdom on that you know
you better still you know I let me steal
or what they'll do is they'll cover up
their unbelief with we'll just be sure
you seek wisdom and I'm all about
seeking wisdom that's good I'm not an
accountability and counsel but sometimes
we have these nice cliche christian
sayings that are not we're using them as
a cover-up
not to do what we're supposed to be
Julia
yeah it's almost like you're doing the
right thing but at the wrong time like
you're doing you're doing right you're
not doing bad stuff but you're doing it
to occupy time or to buy time because a
lot of times we know God wants to deal
with this and see when you when you when
you already know what guys wanting to do
in your heart and you know what he's
already convicting you you're in a good
place because we don't have to get to
the bottom of it we know we just have to
kind of help you get over the hill of
releasing that how to do it and how to
stay free right you shall know the truth
the truth shall make you free but we
have to walk in that freedom so we're
doing the right thing but at the wrong
time and for me and probably most of us
listening maybe that's quiet time maybe
that's going into the inner chambers
with the Lord spending time in an
intimate worship like you said by
ourselves first and so for me when I
shut everything down and I go into that
space with the Lord he's gonna deal with
me he always does right and he either
he'll be he'll birth vision and you
he'll tell you how to you know I'm
saying how to get over hurdles and and
and and all kinds of things in that
secret place was God and so for me it
would be maybe like you said the
studying or the video games or whatever
to like buy time not to go in to the the
inner chambers with God but that's part
of walking in the spirit is having a
spiritual communication with God and
going back because we pour out we pour
out we pour out we got to go back and
let God fill us up man like you say be
being filled
could you imagine man if let's just say
hypothetically I had cancer and I had a
heart to reach out to people who had
cancer right and the doctors like I got
to deal with you and I'm like what about
time for
right now man I got other people that
are dying of cancer right now so I need
to go to these guys and eventually
because I'm doing something very good
right a little unless it's a feeding
them for let's just say going visiting
orphans these these things are all good
things are you a biblical help the
people I said people help the people out
that are going through this stuff but at
the same time because we don't allow
ourselves to receive healing or allow
others who are grace in areas to speak
into our lives and help us walk out
healing eventually we're gonna collapse
we're gonna collapse because we won't
allow we cover up our own needs a lot of
times by doing good things when it's
almost like the Lord is like I want to
deal with you I need to deal with you
first because you can only give so much
you know and give what you allow in your
life yeah it's one of those things
that's inexperienced that guys we can't
be healers quote-unquote we can be
mature perceivers and the spirit
quote-unquote unless we walk out healing
and deliverance in our lives the more
the the further we push that away then
the further moon will remain crippled
even in our best meeting into our best
well main contentions your can their
intentions can be the pure out of all of
them and the most well-meaning yeah I
mean there's out there just people in
the world today that will set their hair
on fire or they want to cut off their
arm because I think it's an extra
appendage and they're very sincere
they're very pure and thinking that even
though it's a screwed up mind it's good
of thought in the life since series
great and having well-meaning intentions
is great but that does not mean you're
doing what you're supposed to be doing
though remember God always has to deal
with you first has to deal with us first
so that we can be in a position to help
others in a healthy way because you
can't lead them further than you allowed
yourself to be led yeah that's it ladies
and gentlemen well I hope you guys have
enjoyed this episode again Anthony
comments like I said from the beginning
I thought I think that this was gonna be
a good podcast and I think it was I felt
the Holy Spirit moving and working
throughout the whole thing so if you
felt that man that that presence there
there's nothing that can take the place
of that that's the Holy Spirit people
people who don't know biblical lingo or
they don't know that the Holy Spirit is
an energy or you can feel
you know I'm saying that you know you
feel these these tail bumps and stuff
they get it all the time and listening
to some conversations and stuff but that
is the person of the Holy Spirit if you
have not made Jesus the Lord of your
life I'm telling you you you won't grasp
what I'll talk about in my music
you won't grasp the truth I will be
selling you a half-truth
if I told you another way to get to God
other than through the person of Jesus
Christ so if you want to do that we're
here to pray for you guys I'll lead you
in a prayer right now if you're watching
this and you do not have a relationship
with Jesus it's this simple to know that
first of all that I'm a sinner that I've
sinned and sin separates me from God but
God made a way for me to come to him
through the cross through Calvary he
sent Jesus who was perfect he lived the
perfect life sin free and he became the
sin offering he took our place he died
so that we could live he became sin so
that we can become the righteousness of
God and so God made a way for us to
connect with him the right way
unadulterated nothing in the way he
hears our prayers through the person of
Jesus man and so if that's you if you
want to know him as your Savior if you
want to if you want to experience him
like Anthony's been talking about as
I've been talking about tonight you can
go ahead and do that I'm gonna pray I
just want you to repeat after me dear
Lord Jesus ask you to come into my life
forgive me of my sins it cleanse me wash
me in your blood I admit that I'm a
sinner and I need your grace I need your
mercy I ask you to seal me with your
precious Holy Spirit
and wash me in your love in Jesus mighty
name Amen
a man if you pray that and you meant it
look you are sealed you can come into
right relation with right relationship
with God through the person of Jesus man
and so people hit me up all the time
they kind of they get it but they want
to know what it is what is it that you
have in this relationship with Jesus and
for some people that seems too easy
because Jesus everywhere Jesus on every
corner Jesus on every TV channel Jesus
on t-shirts he's your homeboy what are
you talking about what we're talking
about an intimate relationship with the
creator of the universe created heavens
the heavens and the earth who knows
everything about you all the wrong that
you've ever done all the times you've
stole you've cheated you've lied you've
cursed all the bad thoughts you've ever
had and you know what he still loves you
he made a way for you man so I'm telling
you that's it relationship with Jesus
man I'll say this time we I guess gotta
get off here is that yeah yeah we got to
go and wrap it up yeah sure sure none of
this man that the love of God and the
grace of God is powerful to restore man
it's powerful to it's little by little
again if you maybe you believe it going
through the wilderness welcome to the
club
Moses went through the wilderness as a
believer Paul went to the wilderness you
know Arabia there's there's areas that
you're believe it but you may not be a
believer you just said that prayer I
want to encourage you guys number one
seek the Lord Jesus said seek the
kingdom of God His righteousness first
and secondly let that happen amongst
like-minded believers find healthy
relationships people are not against the
kingdom of God pray say Holy Spirit I'm
gonna go and as I'm going lead me to
healthy community of believers because
we need a man like Derek long ago it's
one thing to hear preaching in a sermon
and there's a place for that we need
that but then there's other things like
building authentic relationships that
will take you places that you can't go
on your own
there's something about relational
growth together
that's totally scriptural and it's just
a principle of life so god bless you
guys
derek has been a privilege man to
actually talk to you again in
thank you so much for letting part of
your show dude thanks for coming on man
I love you bro love you too man
amen I was at any Commons ladies and
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