Cindy Mckean | Djinn, Genies, Ghosts, Demons and Evil Spirits

Cindy Mckean | Djinn, Genies, Ghosts, Demons and Evil Spirits
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today Cindy McKeon welcome to the show
how are you I'm good how are you awesome
thanks for joining me today
you got an awesome story there's some
things that that you do for a living
which is key that I want to get into
we're talking about astrology the terror
was it a palmistry is that how you would
say a palmistry
and dowsing for over 24 years so after
24 years you should have some
interesting things to say about these
topics so whenever we were going live
you were asking me if we've ever done a
show on astrology the closest one we've
done was several years back and we had a
Santos Bonacci on and it was actually on
Astro theology but that mixes astrology
all within it so I've got some friends
who are really big into astrology they
do it for a living as well they do
readings and and and they know how to
recharge and things like that so but as
far as having a show dedicated to it I'm
excited to have you on so thanks for
being here thank you for having me it's
my pleasure
so when it comes to these topics that
kind of seem taboo for some especially
over here in like Western culture where
do you go for like like what what was
the early moments that you got into this
type of work was it some things that
were maybe you were dealing with ESP and
dreams and visions and stuff like that
when you were younger did that kind of
call you into this field or what was
kind of like the defining moments early
on for you to get into this type of work
well I was extremely lucky in that my
parents are very open to the esoteric
world the occult the
the metaphysical in general you know
they've they've lived in countries where
this was you know metaphysical practices
were very much a part of their culture
and they've you know my father for
instance he was he's very psychic his
mother was very psychic and on my mom's
side although she doesn't really have a
very keen natural ability through
practice she was able to be able to tap
in so I mean this is something that was
always a part of my life and my mom's
side too she was into palm reading and
that's how I learned how to read palms
because she simply I mean that would be
a thing that the ladies would do didn't
when they get together and that was
something that her mom did and
you know her grandmother did so yeah
this was um when I was about my parents
told me when I was about two or
two-and-a-half years old they noticed
they noticed already that I was psychic
as I point something I pointed something
and I wasn't able to really elaborate
too well but they you know then
something would happen to it or you know
I would say something you know like
police and two or three minutes later
they finally hear the sirens so my
earliest memories is when I was four
years old and I just remember waking up
from a dream and telling my parents
about it and they just looked at each
other like wow you know she really knows
what she's doing here so they talked to
me I mean there's there's only so deep
that you could go with a four-year-old
but but I remember when I was when I was
ten and I finally bought something on
astrology it was just one of those
little Scrolls that you buy from you
know the exactly so uh you know for me
that was a lot of money like putting
seventy-five cents into something like
that when you're ten years old you can
buy a toy or candy or something and and
yeah I remember thinking wow I'd like
how accurate this is and yeah I remember
my parents like it's you know every now
and then growing up they would tell me
this is a power that you have and
there's a lot of things that you're
gonna see that you're going to want to
see so just be prepared for the truth so
when I was 18 years old I moved overseas
and I spent a little bit of time in
Cairo Egypt where magic is very much a
part of their lives I mean if you look
at the ancient Pharaoh's and if you just
look at the history of the land just the
geopolitical center of things they they
have a lot of firm beliefs and and of
rituals and and superstitions and
I wouldn't even call them superstitions
because they seem to be true and it was
there that you know they were into
astrology for instance of course more
into palm reading tea and tea tree sorry
or Tea Leaf reading and coffee cup
reading and things but they would also
do other divinations like reading shells
and a lot of their magic worked involves
jinn or genies yeah and yeah I started
attending certain things where you know
they were actually very I mean this kind
of scared because that the way that
they're into the black magic it depends
sometimes they use it as white magic
where you could actually see forms and
shapes while they were trapping genies
so they would catch them they're
attached okay so if there is so if
there's a genie in a bottle or a genie
that's affiliated with some type of
clothing or furniture or something like
that
I got like so there's a practice of
actually catching them and putting them
in the the lamp right yeah yeah the one
I saw happening
I saw a few but the one that was really
the most outstanding believe it or not
they they caught the genie through a
person's thumb because you the guy was
possessed and they put a plastic garbage
bag around the guy's thumb that they
tied around and extract they just poked
the hole in his thumb with a needle and
they it was almost like they extracted
it through that it was through that
piercing and there was a lot of shouting
at the jinn that tried to get it out of
him and then you could see in the bag
like a shape of an elbow or shape of of
a back or an ear a head I mean it wasn't
anything that was extremely well defined
but you could see that the bag was
filling up with a definite form as if a
body was coming out you know it was like
the shape of the body that it was that
it was inhabiting that was pretty strong
stuff to see to be honest with you yeah
later on I I moved to Ghana in West
Africa and there's a lot of anomie
religions so you know people that
actually might worship water or might
worship the rain or you know whatever
God that they have and you know we by
that time I was already I was working in
an in scientific medical research and we
were going from village to village from
the north of Ghana to south and a lot of
these remote villages you find people
that practice a lot of magic and there
would be things like people would go to
the clinic they're sick they want a
remedy and they don't really want a
prescription of antibiotics what they
want is they're really know how to how
to heal this so they would write the
antibiotics it would be something you
know insignificant and almost like a
formality but then they would say okay
well make sure you you know in order to
cure this one what you're gonna have to
do is take the family icon crack an egg
on it bury it seven inches deep make
sure you put the you know cover that
with the blood of the virgin the
menstrual blood of a virgin and dance
around it with only safe female members
four of your family for like seven days
I'm not kidding you it actually worked
so you know seeing the magic in West
Africa was a lot different than what I
would see say you know in the Levant or
or North Africa but yeah I mean they
they were that was like my pretty much
my first exposure I mean it was
essentially immersion into it
once I finally got out of the United
States and yeah I mean it's it's um
luckily I didn't I've been coming from a
family where they were just they were
telling me I mean they're kind of
warning me ahead of time what kind of
things I might see so yeah
there's a lot of people out there who
are who are like born psychic they're
just intuitive with these feelings and
emotions and being empathic and they
don't know how to balance the energies
they don't know really what's what's
happening in their body in their mind
and things like that and it could be
very overwhelming so for you to have
someone who kind of nurtured that and
and didn't just say oh it's just your
imagination are you you just have an
overactive imagination you're just a
curious kid or something like that but
they kind of catered to it and so that's
that says a lot because there's so many
people who are like marginalized and
displaced and they have to go to clinics
and they have to go see a psychiatrist
or whatever and looking for answers and
have no idea what's going on so to be in
an atmosphere where where that's cater
to is awesome that's kind of what this
podcast is there's a lot of people who
are coming out of religion and they have
like these type of experiences but then
the pastor and the clergy people have no
idea what to tell them except that it's
demonic they stay away from and stop
doing it
run from it that those type of things
and so but you know they're not
satisfied with those answers because you
know I'm saying they're having these
beautiful encounters or these strange
encounters and everything just isn't
demonic I mean there's good and bad
spirits obviously but there's in between
spirits that just exists that are over
nature and in situations and feelings
and emotions and thing like that so to
be able to tap in and learn how to adapt
and listen to these spirits or learn
from them or block them off for that
matter right so you're talking about
this guy who seemingly was possessed or
had a evil spirit or unclean spirit of
jinn on him when we talk about astrology
and in the West especially coming from
like a Christian perspective they say
like I said everything's demonic if we
don't understand it if we can't fully
point it out in the Bible stay away from
it those type of things so there's a lot
of people listening who would say that
uh just by entertaining some of the
astrology terror dowsing psychic
abilities you'll get possessed
by those things what would you say I
know that's not true that's totally not
true but from a Christian perspective
people are still dealing with with with
these these old ways of thinking I'm
answering my emails this morning and
just getting over and over it's the same
thing that's why this podcast is
flourishing right now people are coming
out of religion and have nobody to talk
to so we have guests on the show just to
kind of share their experiences but for
someone who is demon-possessed like what
would be some things that would open you
up for demonic possession I know you've
had some some encounters with unclean
energies and things like that what would
be something that that would open people
up to demonic oppression from what I've
learned and this doesn't necessarily
have to be anything demonic it could
just be otherworldly it it's I mean
sometimes just as simple as having your
guard down would be able to open you up
to demonic possession
sometimes being intoxicated it's more
than enough yeah you know I I remember
okay so my personal experience with
possession I remember I actually I did
have a problem with I noticed sounds
kind of crazy and stuff but I did have a
problem with a you know a genie
habitation and I mean there there wasn't
anything in particular that I remember
doing it's not like I was involved in a
seance or that I invited anything in or
that you know I committed some you know
quote-unquote egregious sin or whatever
but what I do remember is that you know
my attitude about things changed and you
know just being super negative and not
wanting to you know do any kind of you
know good hygiene or anything really
getting annoyed when I hear talk people
talking about God or anything holy and
that's a good indication right yeah and
I because I was already aware of these
things I was able to kind of catch this
early
so I knew somebody who who knew of
somebody else that actually does these
sort of exorcisms of these genies and I
remember just showing up there and it
was it was a line of us I mean so
apparently this is so common that they
did they do it a few times a week and
they they have a stand with our with our
hands like out there as they're saying
these prayers and blessings and I
remember my hands just I just wanted I
remember it was you know what they were
saying and I'm like okay yeah whatever
they think these words are really gonna
work you know and I was like okay I'll
just be there to humor them whatever and
my hands just started like clenching up
and I said well I better behave because
this is gonna be obvious so you know I
opened my hands again and it clenched up
again and I forced them open again they
clenched up and I thought oh my god
something's happening here and I mean it
was like my my hand started kind of
shaking the open these up and then
finally it just clenched up and I fell
down to my knees and I let out this
wailing that I've never ever done the I
mean I didn't even know how I was able
to do this and I just immediately start
crying like super hard and you know the
religious leader came to me hit me he
recognized immediately what was
happening which was that you know this
entity was coming out of me so he start
yelling at me close your eyes otherwise
it's gonna come out of your eyes and
you're gonna go blind mm-hmm and he
started telling me to repeat some words
and I refused so he hit me on the head
like just hit the entity essentially and
as they were exercising it they don't
they didn't take it to trap it they took
it to to banish it so they burn it and
as it's getting burned and it's not the
same kind of burning as like throwing
something into a bonfire it's their
version of fire for these entities you
know it was I mean through me it was
screeching and horror and pain even
before it was reaching the
because it knew what its fate was so you
know inside of me I'm having this
wrenching feeling of home like god I'm
actually involved in killing something
and you know I mean way I could kind of
compare it to a little bit as do you
ever toss a lobster into boiling water
and you could kind of hear it screaming
I mean it was kind of something like
that you know you're you're doing it and
at the same time you kind of you know I
mean the other choice the other
alternative it's not really so good
so it took a few minutes of the process
and it was extremely unpleasant the
muscle contractions involved the you
know just the amount of energy that it
literally pulls out of you and you could
feel that something has left you you
could feel some kind of empty cavity in
you somehow it's it's really wild and
what they did is it gave me kind of a
regimen of of holy water and holy paper
and they said okay with the holy water
take it and spray it in your house every
night after you say some words and put
it in the four corners just to keep your
house clean keep yourself up with with
prayer and close to God and with the
holy paper I was supposed to stick it in
water for seven days
I think and I think it was like in the
the south east corner of my house and
after that start drinking like a bit of
it every single day for for the next
month or so and they told me to come
back after after a few weeks because
they said you know you're you're
essentially down open vessel so anything
could comment you during that time until
you finally closed up and they
apparently it's so common that something
does usually come in people slip up
we're only human
yeah it's a scary a scary thing we've
discussed here that I've never heard
discussed a lot like you have
evangelists that travel and and they do
this in a city in a
demons out of people and then they leave
and that person's there with the demon
gone but the person has no way of like
walking this out no accountability and
things like that and these spirits do
try to come back themselves and if they
can't come back then it says that they
get seven other spirits stronger then
they are and if they come back then the
state of that person is seven times
worse off than before so this is
something that is very delicate yeah
yeah and what I've heard is that you
know they have feelings too just like
humans so you you could be exercising
and killing a relative of one of these
entities and they might want to get
revenge yeah so it's not only just the
possession that you have to worry about
but the infestation in and around your
home and your world in general where I
mean you just you know you know be at
the wrong place at the wrong time kind
of thing but really it's done
facilitating it because um a lot of time
the way these powers work especially
with intentions it seems to take the
route of least resistance and manifests
that way if it's something kind of weak
but if it's more directed you will be
harassed
I was lucky when I went back I you know
they went through the same ritual and
everything and you know there was no
crying and falling to my knees or
anything like that so they're like okay
good you've been sticking to what you
need to do but I remember a feeling of
mourning I like feeling very sad about
this um and I I think sometimes it could
be those entities around you that kind
of insert these feelings or you know
it's uh or it could be just a human side
of us where you know sometimes if you
you know you kill something I mean I
don't necessarily think this thing was
evil but I do think that it was you know
with the laws of genies they have very
very specific rules and forbidden areas
and inhabiting a human is you know is
one of their bigger sins so it could
have been just you know a good G
that did something stupid yeah you know
okay you know and you know so there
could be that human side where you kind
of noticed that if you're more in tune
like oh man you know this person's
Buneary this this entity's punishment
when like above and beyond but at the
same time you like I said you do have to
be careful because you know if they have
if they have family if they have close
ones next to them sometimes they might
have more of a tendency to revenge and
the other thing is because they've lived
a lot longer than humans because they're
a different kind of form of energy than
we are they would they tend to look on
humans as not being as evolved as them
and not being as smart you know yes
Martin is developed and his wives I mean
if you're if you're around for nine
hundred years imagine how much more you
know than someone that's yeah sorry ages
yeah a lot of trickster spirits and
things like that you know like
poltergeists and stuff like that so when
it comes to the practice of like
capturing a jinn or a spirit usually I
guess in the fable I guess we can look
at Aladdin that's like our big thing to
look at in so you would have this lamp
or just bought genie in a bottle or
whatever and you capture it and you get
to command it to do things or grant you
these wishes or whatever the case is a
lot of other movies and lore will show
us that you can ask for these wishes you
can have this Djinn do things for you
but usually it's spoils usually they
want something in return it's not just
oh you got me
you know the whole Leprechaun thing give
you know if you catch me you get the
wish or whatever like so there is like
all of these different stories that are
very similar of catching these spirits
or leprechauns or whatever fairies and
getting them to do stuff for you but
something usually happens you know these
spirits want something from you they
want
you to wear a necklace that represents
them on the earth they want an altar
they want a statue they want a piece of
your mind they want to live with you you
know these type of things which can be
which can be scary which can lead to
possess and with dealing with somebody's
trickster or small entities do you have
any any knowledge information about you
know these these things that that you
know they want to bring you with riches
wealth hidden knowledge secret knowledge
of the heavens or those type of things
but they want something in return
yeah and you don't even have to catch
them to do that there's you know just
like there's a lot of lowlife humans
lowlife entities like that that you know
all you have to do is is it's kind of
like a criminal for hire sometimes and
you know all you have to do is is say
the ritual the spell and it's so easy to
conjure them up you don't have to trap
them and if you're very lucky they're
willing to do your bidding and then
leave you alone but I mean it what's the
safe way though versus just a chance of
luck you said if you're lucky what if
you're not lucky so like what is the
good outcome of that is there like a
prop so there is a proper way to do this
and to protect yourself and those type
of things is that or is it just kind of
the luck of the draw I would say it's a
look at the draw I haven't seen anything
to wear
someone's successful and they're like a
millionaire I got a great business
because they got hidden knowledge from
an entity
what about like though I know I've seen
that I've seen that for sure but you
know there's always some kind of trade
off yeah and the other thing I've seen I
mean I want to I did meet one person
that was very very skilled in black
magic and especially with using the
genies I mean this person was I mean I
mean it was almost like they were one of
them in some ways
and that was the thing I mean she was
just she just ended up being comfortable
living with them and having you know I
mean she just tolerated some of the
harassment she's got sometimes the guy
who taught me he was a warlock and it
was the same thing
he was arrest but it was normally that
was his life you know they lived in his
house they turned lights off and on he
woke up with hearing shouting matches in
his living room and parties and nobody
was there you know those type of things
yeah and when I asked her how she got
into it she told me that she was um you
know one of her first encounters was
that she was actually raped by Jen so
you know it you know when when when
you're in like older world countries and
and virginity is taking more of a virtue
and more of you know you know if a girl
doesn't have that then that's you know
that's that's it for the rest of her
life I mean she's got a problem she said
you know it would have been a lot better
if she was raped by a man than raped by
jinn because now not only does she sound
dirty but she also sounds crazy and
unholy mm-hmm so that's how she got into
it mean she basically kind of felt like
well there was nothing else to lose and
what's the worst that could happen
so here's the thing it's very hard for
them to kill you
unless you know they get you to somehow
kill yourself but usually they're not
gonna do that usually they're gonna see
you as a tool that they could use on
this earth like a human that they could
use yeah and with her [Â __Â ] like I said
she just got very comfortable and she
would she didn't get rich off of it but
she got by she had a roof over her head
and the spells were you she used them
for spell works and stuff too and and
determining you know finding out answers
but these are really tangible things
that she got it wasn't just tapping in
and you know this a referral message
that you could get and and relay these
were things were like I remember one of
one of the clients that came in was was
a girl and she felt that some kind of
bad magic spell had been
put on her and the reason she felt this
way is because some guy proposed
marriage to her and he was extremely
handsome he was very well off and she
was very impressed by him but only a
week after she met him she was extremely
turned off and she would see him kind of
as like a monkey or an eight hmm so she
felt there was some kind of shapeshifter
mass going on or definitely some kind of
spell and she was you know she broke out
and acne she started you know her weight
started changing her her health started
changing so they thought it was a spell
and so she comes to this woman and the
woman has a pot of water
she puts some black pepper in it and she
says some I mean it was like she was
speaking in tongues you couldn't really
discern what language it was and I think
she asked it like five times or seven
times or she said you know she said the
same things over again and then you
heard a like a very distinct knock
coming oh she covered the she covered
the pot with a lid and so she asked it
again and at Noxon and a third knock and
she goes okay we got it
and then she lifts up the the lid and
there was like three pieces of paper in
there and the paper it was just written
like you know several like it was
someone's name written in three pieces
so she put it together and it turns out
to be this person's neighbor had her
eyes on this guy and her and her mom got
very jealous of it so they went to
somebody to cast a spell so that the
relationship wouldn't work hoping that
they would be able to you know to snag
this guy the girl everything was fine
with her I mean she you know the spell
was off the you know it was it was
dispelled I later caught up with her and
I I followed up with her like years
later like almost 10 years later and I
asked her how things were going and
she said she went back one more time
just you know for follow-up and she was
given a name like a first initial of a
guy that she was supposed to meet and
she goes I met him that very next week
and that was the guy that I ended up
marrying so she didn't she didn't marry
the first guy and her neighbor never
ended up getting married so it backfired
on the neighbor so nothing happened to
the magician or the the woman doing you
know asking the jinns for answers
nothing bad happened to the girl who you
know was getting the suitors but it was
the neighbor that the original person
that was actually casting the spell that
we're all this backfired on them
Wow that's that's very interesting
um the guy who taught me about the craft
or whatever you want to call it he was a
warlock he dealt with these spirits and
stuff and and it was very very similar
of getting these spirits to go out and
do your bidding and stuff but I don't he
didn't refer to him as Jen he was
dealing with what we would call the
elemental spirits the spirits it's
probably the same thing or in the same
type of Kingdom but he would do the same
thing I mean they would go out and do
things for him I had I had an encounter
with one because I stole something from
the gentleman and a spirit came back to
get it like a physical manifestation of
this spirit being appeared through me
and my cousin to the ground and very
crazy encounter changed my life forever
it didn't you would think that it would
be a warning those type of things but
it's like you know what this is real
like I want to own it I want to know
what he's doing and know how to do it I
got even deeper into it to study this
stuff out years ago it happened to me as
a teenager so it's really interesting to
note these these spirits and getting
information and stuff when we've talked
about this a lot on the show and what do
they want and what do you have to give
up and is the trade worth it and if that
is it with everything you know
especially we're talking about people
trying to attain like wealth and
prestige jobs and their dream life so
whatever dealing with what spirits are
getting spirits to go out and help them
angel magic that's I mean I think the
principles are there but people there's
so many books and so many practices
of you know I deal with gin I deal with
you know angels I deal with fairies to
go out and kind of do the same thing
when it when it comes down to that
though there's like just the trade-off
is it worth it I think we can look at
the Masons right the Freemasons who like
in the higher up levels deal with
spirits right they deal with with
spirits and entities and so if we're
looking at someone who is trying to be
prestige and well off in the community
and things it's not all of them you have
to really get into the higher paths of
that but you know it's very similar if
someone communicating with spirits or
dealing with was ritual and benefiting
from it right some type of order that's
formed off of that when we look at
Solomonic magics I mean Solomon did the
same thing and it was essentially a
genie it was essentially a jinn he would
capture these spirits and he had a
certain ring and he had control over the
spirits that he would ask them questions
and he would he would make them tell him
the answer but in the end he ended up
pretty much becoming possessed when he
lost control and these spirits came back
with a vengeance right when he lost his
power so very interesting when we're
talking about demonic possession
dealing with demons is it worth it so
when we're talking about this very
openly candidly it's fun it's exciting
it is but you you really can't talk
about it without talking about the
discretion and be careful and do these
things to keep yourself covered will be
doing people a disservice if we did you
know so one of the things I feel like in
Hollywood like them is all of the stuff
is in movies and you want it to be real
and then you're told that it's not but
you find out no most of the stuff in the
movies Israel you're like what this
stuff is legit people can tap into it so
you just jump in gung-ho I think that's
kind of what happened to me but moving
on to another topic I want to make sure
we touch on we're talking about
astrology so I come from a biblical
reference and studying the scriptures
for what they are not so if we would
hear us
in the Christian Church most people
freaked out you know God rebuked the
astrologers and said you you won't be
able to tell the signs anymore those
type of things and so we read these type
of rebukes that God did to these
different seers and star gazers and
astrologers but but to do to do the
research to understand that God rebuked
everybody for having an impure heart so
there was times were like in the
scriptures yahweh rebuked the worshipers
he said i would no longer listen to your
music that you play for me your music
will just sound like crashing cymbals
but yet we still play music and we offer
up praises to god and sing hymns and
those type of things and he receives
them the same thing with astrology and
astronomy as well all of that stuff is
in the bible it's very interesting to
see that the constellations are
mentioned from one of the oldest books
in the Bible of the book of Job is talks
about Orion the Pleiades the Seven
Sisters and all of this stuff and then
it talks about Jesus holding the seven
stars in his hand and all of this talk
about Venus and Lucifer being the
morning saw it's all in there and it's
not demonic like it's it's a this is
what they did these are some what I
guess you would say primitive people but
definitely spiritual people for that
matter and they were followed the moon
they followed the stars as a calendar
there's signs and symbols and dates and
things like that so when it comes to
understanding astrology how does it
affect us like the constellations that
were born under I know there's been
studies and things like that of people
who are born you know under the same
astrological chart and they have very
similar lives they're into a lot of the
same things those types of things and if
they've done Studies on this so when you
break it down to a spiritual and
somewhat of a scientific level how does
that correlate with someone being born
under a certain astrological
astrological chart well as they say the
stars inclined they do not compel so
they give you certain tendencies it's
kind of like being born with a certain
you know say you're born with an
athletic ability or you're born with the
gene for alcoholism it doesn't mean that
you're going to be a star athlete
or that you're gonna become an alcoholic
but you're gonna have more of a tendency
to it if you do get involved in it you
might even have an inclination to do it
or a desire for those things when we
look at something as simple as the moon
and how the moon even affects the tides
you know we can't really deny that a lot
of these planets and asteroids that are
involved would be not affecting us in
some way furthermore this is you know
when we're born at a certain time what
it is is that we're stamped with that
energy and I call it being geotech in
some ways it's a you know even as you're
in the womb there are you know the
cosmic rays and the particles can knock
genes out of one place and put it into
another and that affects you know that
could affect the way you look how smart
you are whatever you know phenotype that
you come out with so to speak so you
know for I'm always very surprised that
astrology is really poo pooed you know
when you're just looking at just look at
the science of it even look at look at
all the signs around us I mean you these
are undeniable
you know not they're not just
correlations these are there there's
clear causation there so what I say is
that you know in you know if you're born
under a certain sign or a certain kind
of planetary alignment you know and
we're inclined to do some something that
we're not compelled the thing that's
involved there is free will so we are
all born with that gift of being able to
make our choices and making the
decisions that we have so say you're
born with heavy
scorpy on ik influences in your chart to
where you're gonna enjoy seeing blood
shed well you could follow that instinct
and either become Jack the Ripper or you
could become a surgeon
so you know you can't you know there are
ways to you could become a musician or
painter someone who's very creative
right exactly exactly so you know you
there are ways to to work with it for
whatever the greater good is at that
time I have a friend who he uses
astrology as his psychiatry
so he's supposed to go see a
psychiatrist and stuff but it works
better for him to know which energies
are coming through how he's gonna feel
on a certain type of date so he'll know
whether he should start something or go
into a relationship or whatever the case
is and it's working for him and I say it
seems to be working for a lot of people
love like starting a new things on a new
moon it works with the crops of
different you know cycles with the moon
when we're planning stuff are released
albums and things like that on the
different equinoxes and with the moon
cycles looking at like you know the
ancient Hebrews they went off of the
moon there's something interesting too
when it comes to like dealing with the
Hebrews because they would do the
Sabbath from one new moon to the next
every seven days and then from one new
moon into the next and so there's some
scientific studies that's showing that
like the body heals itself and
regenerates faster during a new moon and
this was like commanded in the
scriptures not to work but to rest and
enjoy family and those type of things
during the new moon so it's really
interesting when the spirituality and
the science kind of cross cross paths
with that that's really cool one thing I
wanted to ask you about just to play
devil's advocate I think it's healthy to
do that talking about astrology and
talking about the placebo effect right
we all there's there's certain websites
there are certain astrological charts
that I've read about myself that are
spot-on but you you it's kind of freaky
how spot-on it is but then other people
will read it and it may be spot on for
them too
is is the placebo thing there if like if
we're expecting it for us it's like
everybody gonna read that and feel like
yeah I'm creative yeah I'm a I'm
impulsive or whatever like when you read
it do you just kind of go go with it or
is is is that you know to be played with
it at all is there some that's just
general for everybody and if you believe
that it becomes true for you type deal
well I do think sometimes there's some
retrofitting that could happen where you
know sometimes someone something might
happen like you know your computer
crashes and you're like oh well
Mercury's retrograde but it does fit
with what Mercury retrograde does you
know so in some ways it's a you know a
lot of people are like oh come on you
believe in that crap and other times
it's like you know I didn't want to put
no stock into it and then I started
seeing relationships deteriorate and
stuff happen I'm like oh my god there's
got to be something to this you know oh
yeah I mean to me it's you know there is
there is a bit of a science to to the
astrology RCA when they had their radio
towers up they had high radio towers and
they have low radio towers and it was a
lot cheaper to just use the low radio
towers however whenever there was a
certain aspect between Jupiter and
Saturn they found that their lower radio
towers weren't working so they ended up
using their higher rate of radio towers
and that saved them millions of dollars
because it was very expensive to use the
high radio towers all the time you you
know they had to be man there we were it
was just uh you know they were in remote
locations at the time so these people
had to be paid more it was heavier
equipment and yeah this I mean they
would just they would start using
astrology some people would say they
were using meter meteorology or
forecasting so it's not more mainstream
yeah but these are things that you know
you ask any police department and they
say yeah during the full moon you know
we do
get more crime and then there's you know
the naysayers or the you know the people
that just want to put it down and say oh
no that you know they're just there they
just think it does and just because
those numbers happen it you know that's
because they're only going out and
arresting more people and subconsciously
it's like oh come on you know I mean
it's it's um you know the sometimes the
fact is the fact I mean like the Sun is
up it's in the sky except it you know
the way I see it is that knowledge is
power and you don't have to believe in
it you don't have to follow it but if
you're aware of it and you you take it
you know you take note of it you know
you you don't have to let this rule your
life right you know it's we watch the
weather all the time
the majority of us and in in knowing
that it might be raining tomorrow you
have a heads up on how to prevent
getting wet and if you don't want to
listen to that well that's on you and if
it doesn't rain okay well at least you
were prepared yeah that's a good way of
looking at it really is you had that
knowledge in that foresight
just in case cuz it might not rain a lot
of times they tell you it's gonna be
sunny than it does rain or whatever the
case is but like I said if it does
happen you're prepared so that that's
very that's a that's a great practical
way of looking at it um talking about
armed palmistry where does that start I
know you said your parents kind of we're
into that and you got into that at a
very young age where does one begin as
they come from reading books is it a
form of intuition or how does that even
work in my case it was just a lot of it
was just from watching my mom and you
know they're you know she wasn't trying
to be mystic or evasive about it I mean
she would I mean she would just pointed
out like oh wow you know your you know
your your headline in your love line are
very close together and what that means
is you know yeah so I mean that it
I mean she was very good at spelling
things out and that you know when you're
young you know your mind is more like a
sponge and you could pick these things
up and later on I did start to read
books just to see if I could get it
structured and it was pretty much a lot
what my mom said but then there is there
is intuition involved there is a sense
of you know do you want to be coming off
as a Vulcan and reading it where you
know you're doing this robotic sense or
do you want to get that at human touch
involves no pun intended with palmistry
to where you know it's it's not just
that that gives you the answers it's
kind of like when you go to a doctor you
know he could he you know and you have a
coffee could listen to your chest to
determine exactly where the coffee is
but you know then if he takes an x-ray
that's even you know that's more of a
layer of your diagnosis if he takes a
sputum sample that's even more
information and you know with that you
could target exactly what to do and and
how to follow things and it's it's like
that I think with a lot of these
metaphysical practices and that if
you're using just a serology or just
palm Street just hair or whatever it's
just one facet of things where if you
keep on layering them you get to
discover more and more and as you layer
I think the glue to it is intuition
mm-hmm yep I think so too I think that a
lot of the things that were mentioned
and we're talking about I think it's all
tools I don't think that any of its good
or bad I think it could be used for good
or bad I think you can use I think you
can channel to channel evil spirits or
you can channel to receive influence
from the Holy Spirit right so it's just
it's a tool that were born with the
psychic type of abilities or whatever
you want to call it ESP extrasensory
perception I think we all have that and
at times it's it's heightened and and
it's a muscle you know we can use it we
can work it out we get good at it with
how to how to discern other spirits
around how spirits feel when they're
around how people look and how other
people act when they they are oppressed
themselves so we can be used at us you
know seeing them walking and true
healing as well so I think all of this
stuff is is tools as well so we talked
about some of the demonic stuff we
talked about the jinn and the demons and
possessions and stuff like that I don't
want to end there I want to talk about
some of the you know the the beautiful
angelic experiences that you've had to
like like you're dealing with healing
you're dealing with the readings and
stuff like that
synchronicities influences from from
other beings and stuff what are some of
the the the angels or the guides that
you've worked with that way that are
here to assist that don't have a hidden
agenda well maybe they're hidden agenda
is to bring healing verses to do harm
like those type of spirits to work with
as well you have any encounters with
with angelic beings and things along
that nature yeah things where you know I
remember once like personally I was
something that happened that I think was
very much an angelic intervention I was
walking down the street and it was kind
of raining a little bit heavy and I was
rushing I mean I usually just rush
everywhere I go to anyway and I stopped
dead in my tracks and I remember
thinking god this is strange you know
this looks very crazy and I tried moving
forward and I couldn't I was locked in
place and I heard this rustling sound
above my head and just like you know a
split second later this big huge tree
branch comes down crashing and it just
misses me by you know by like an inch or
something if I had kept on walking I
would have definitely been hit by that
branch and I always felt for instance
that was like an angelic intervention
I've seen it I see it more these angelic
interventions I see a lot more with
young people than I do with older people
and I tend to think that it's you know
there's
because of the newness of this human
being into the world I think that you
know as adult humans taking care of them
we can only do so much and a lot of
times if there's a lot of love around
this child or this baby that is calling
them in a lot of ways to come and
protect them and you could see I mean I
mean I mean like that film for instance
baby to baby's day out where I mean if
he wasn't at all chances are he probably
would have died like nine times already
you know but everything just lines up so
perfect you know and you know you could
look at that and say oh wow you know
what a lucky baby but then you know if
you have the knowledge of the angelic or
if you want to believe in in good
spirits you could look at that and say
well no this was lined up and they have
the ability for foresight a lot of these
spirits so I mean a lot of these things
can be prepared like okay you know we
see the babies gonna be coming off the
edge of the building soon so let's make
sure that we have that bar over you know
or that plane flying glide that it could
just fall on or something strange and
you know I I think really the way it
works is similar to the way it works
with with black magic or other entities
and that if you call them if you just
ask for their help yeah they're there
yep yeah that's awesome it's an it's
it's really that simple I think that uh
you know there's the fear like we're
talking about of getting involved with
with anything spiritual or meditation
like there's such a stigma there like I
remember I did a video and I named the
video is meditation demonic so many
people laughed at the title but I can't
I can't express how many inbox questions
I've gotten and I've had conversation
with conversations with people who are
religious and they think that if you
empty out your mind you'll get possessed
or whatever but essentially like we're
saying everything is a tool but you can
use it for good or bad that's all a
prayer meditation yoga like all kind
like everything is there so it's not
like everything works off of the
intention
being intuitive is learning how to even
be sensitive to your own energy or the
energy that other people have around
them and be able to make those choices
and start to see things happen to start
kind of stepping out to where you're
seeing things change you know what I'm
saying of and it kind of builds your
faith to where you want to do it more
that you want to engage this stuff even
more before we go I was on your website
I seen that uh your practice was
featured on a big news segment was that
is that was that your practice that
would feature there and that was you in
the interview and everything yeah yeah
that was pretty fun actually that was
almost a year ago
we're just you know they they got in
touch and I asked them I was curious
because you know in the Midwest day
though they're they're conservative you
know they're not really gonna get into
yeah so I asked him about you know why
they were interested in doing the
segment and apparently the producer you
know was very much into this you know
he's very I'm open-minded about it at
least and they're their sister affiliate
in New York City did it so he thought
well why not you know do it in in Kansas
City so they're they're their affiliate
station kctv5 for CBS in Kansas City
came and you know we interviewed
together we did a segment on how your
zodiac sign is able to influence what
kind of exercise is best for you and I
think you know overall it was
interesting I like the feedback on it
because there were a lot of people that
were like oh come on this is a lot of
hogwash yet at the same time it was one
of the top hits on their on their
website for the next two or three days
so obviously there's a lot of people
that do follow it they just can't admit
that they want to follow it yeah yeah so
I really think that it you know
you don't have to believe in it it's
kind of like if you have a certain
religion great good for you
but understand that there's other
religions out there
and you don't have to believe in their
faith but at least you know that there
are other religions out there whether
you believe they're right or wrong and
that's the way I see it with the
metaphysical know that it's out there it
doesn't you don't have to you know you
don't have to see it as something evil
again I mean we could even look at just
weather forecasting and do we want to
even look at that and say well that's
evil because now we're looking into the
future there's people I've heard it said
man I've heard it said from the a lot of
religious people that that's that
they're false prophets when they give
you the forecast and it's wrong that
that's that's a no-no and it's you can
get in trouble back against people who
believe that like I've heard that said
before Wow this is all kind and so I
think it goes along with what we said at
the beginning the difference between
superstition and spirituality there's a
huge difference most church people I've
met they're superstitious then that
spiritual by any means you know they're
scared that there's a demon behind
everything if I walk under this ladder
if this black cat crosses in front of me
those type of things but with religious
examples right and if I meditate there's
a demon that's gonna give me if I do
yoga I'll be possessed like these are
literally things that people believe I'm
from the Bible Belt so I get this stuff
all the time especially stepping out
here and doing like a podcast and
talking about this stuff openly was a
religious leader right and so I kind of
come from that but like you said there's
there's a lot of people who were who
were into this stuff and there's a lot
of people who were just exploring and
they want to know first of all that
they're not alone and stuff like that
people come to you for healing people
come to you because they want to know
the things that you know and they need
help and so you actually do private
sessions with people from your website
if anybody wants to book up or someone
session with Cindy you you offer that if
you want to talk a little bit about your
services and kind of
that in your website go ahead and do
that for we for we in the show well
thank you so you could find me at WWDC
astrology calm it's all one word and I
do astrology Tarot and dowsing remotely
every now and then they do meet people
in real life I travel a lot so that's
why it becomes a little bit difficult to
do that but you know we could do this uh
you know doing it over a phone or doing
it over Skype or whatever is I mean it's
it's still tapping in it's still being
able to and really what we're looking at
is if you know if you need to see
patterns of your life if you need to get
more insight into what's going on in to
your situation you know I'm really good
at doing both of those I'm sorry about
that what the one caveat I have is that
if you're gonna ask for information like
this the best thing that you could do is
to be ready for the truth because once
you're open and ready for the truth that
really opens up all the channels if
you're calling but you're not really
ready to hear what it is that you might
not want to hear yeah you're already
blocking the energies there I know right
kind of kind of muddies the water
sometimes when people would they want
you to tell them what they want to hear
that kind of muddies the water but
what's really cool about doing private
sessions and and you know you have a fee
that you ask the people to pay if they
can those type of things when people are
willing to spend money for their healing
that's it like it's already it's gonna
happen like that's the that's the like
stepping out in faith of wanting this so
bad that I'm willing to pay you to help
me so you kind of owe it to that person
to tell them the truth
to give them that healing versus them
going to somebody else or whatever but
I've noticed that like you're just kind
of facilitating the healing that's
already within them they just need to
hear it vocalize they need somebody to
do an activation to say a prayer to pull
some things out shift some things around
in the spirit realm those things that
we've kind of given our lives over to do
but it's really cool that it makes it
that much easier versus dealing with
this
kepta can die hey let me let me show you
this is I can really do it you know that
type of deal versus like they just want
it so bad right they want it they want a
healing they want to touch the divine
they want to tap in I've noticed that
the majority of the people who I've dead
done personal one-on-one sessions were
they were people who want to do what I'm
doing like the majority of the people
and so they have to go through a process
and they have to learn and have to get
some things out of them so that they can
kind of walk in these spiritual
practices without any hindrance and so
it's very beautiful whenever we get to
do private sessions with people and like
you said it's awesome to do it
hands-on one-on-one but when you learn
that you could do it through Skype or
zoom or video chat or telephone it it
take things kind of shift to a whole new
perspective and you can actually do it
from the privacy of your own home so
it's really cool thank you for coming on
the show thank you for hanging out with
me I enjoyed it and I hope you come back
again soon sometime and you know do it
again thank you it was my pleasure all
right Cindy yeah all right thank you God
bless god bless you oh I'm gonna find
this screen forgive me ladies and
gentleman okay
the show is not over yet got a few more
minutes to talk Cindy McKeon guys Cindy
McKeon I enjoyed that very good talk I
didn't know we were gonna get into
talking about the the jinn and and uh
the the demons and things like that for
that long but I really enjoy those
discussions and so as much as we want to
talk about the good stuff we have to
talk about the bad it kind of goes hand
in hand so just a couple quick updates
christy is asking in the comment section
she says when I order your new album
tomorrow true Sica will you autograph it
for me yes all the pre-order albums will
be autographed I'm going to be
autographing all of them you'll get a
digital download early you also get your
name entered into a drawing to win true
seeker wall tapestry so all this will be
autographed also too I have something I
want to talk about as well we're talking
about like
talking about the good and the bad
sometimes we don't want to do it we
don't want to acknowledge the bad
because we feel like we give it power
those type of things I have to talk
about any counter that I had this
weekend and I don't know if I should do
just a whole video on this and just give
it you know or make this a segment I
don't know but we talk about
psychedelics from time to time we talked
about using mushrooms I have so many
friends who smoke marijuana they use DMT
people doing vape pens of CBD oil all
this stuff so this is something that's
part of our conversation you know we
always use discretion when talking about
any of it I've been head over heels for
my experiences with magic mushrooms
psilocybin the plant teacher but when it
comes to marijuana I'm at a different
place with it because of my past I've
tried I don't use marijuana I've tried
to of recent and it just doesn't work
out I smoked marijuana as a teenager
like very young like almost every day of
when I was at like anywhere from like 12
13 years old the first time doing it all
the way up to out when I was 16 weed
smoke you know certain certain years or
months would go everyday but um it took
me to a place outside of myself if my
situation was bad I didn't like the
person who I was I didn't like my mom we
had a bad relationship we you know very
unstable in marijuana was my escape it
was my way to take me out of the present
moment to to a place where nothing
mattered a place where I could go to get
away this dis high this that I would get
from smoking weed as a teenager and so I
smoked weed for many years until one day
I uh there was no way I could quit man
that just it was just something I was
doing everyday until one day I
smoked some marijuana ended up having a
panic attack my heart started racing
couldn't breathe I thought they were
just hearing noises in my head crazy
stuff
I turned pale I'm gasping for breath
couldn't breathe out of my throat felt
like my esophagus was like swollen shut
you know what I'm saying I can only
breathe barely through my nose and I had
to like manually make myself breathe and
this went off for three hours straight
this was back in 2000 and 1999-2000 it
happened to me
and so I quit smoking after that I had
this crazy panic attack I'm crying
thinking I'm gonna die right and so and
this was all just smoking weed and I did
it every day up to that point so I took
a break and then I smoked again with
with some friends maybe just like maybe
two three weeks later went over to some
friend's house they were smoking I hit
it one time and hit it kind of
reluctantly because I didn't want that
to happen again I just took one here
just let me get a little buzz same thing
happened to my body it's like I had this
weird allergic reaction type deal you
know my heart started racing couldn't
breathe went on for three hours my
heightened senses of smell like I could
smell stuff far away like gas and it was
just it was not good it was not fun and
so that's why I don't really smoke
marijuana that's what happened to me you
know 18 years ago now so I've had a
couple occasions where I've tried to
smoke within the last couple years I've
had some friends to do and I'll take a
hit here take a hit there and it's like
reluctant as well and I can kind of feel
that that fear come in at times when
I've done it I never you know smoked the
whole bunch there's always been like a
hit here hit there or whatever so just
just weekend I had some friends come by
and they were smoking had a bunch of
weed marijuana and they also had a gummy
a marijuana THC gummy medical use only
is what it said on there so I didn't
smoke any so I
I took a little bitty piece of that
gummy I ate the ear just a little piece
of it and then you know 30 minutes later
I was feeling okay you know and then
soil I had a beer or two or three and
then I went back to the gummy took off a
bigger piece of it was chewing on it
sucking on it whatever getting it in my
gums making sure I absorb it and within
an hour later one of my friends left
another friend was leaving but at that
time I could feel it kicking in I was
feeling really weird and my spirit
feeling really weird in my body and he
left in just a few minutes after he left
man I felt that panic attack kick in my
heart started to race I couldn't breathe
I started turning pale sweating and this
is after me just being relaxed and just
all of a sudden it's happening to me so
I called my friend back on the phone
watchman I called him back and say dude
I need you to come back I'm having a
panic attack man so he said I'll be
right there so he turns around and comes
back and and it was not fun the same
thing happened to me which happened to
me about 18 years ago but even worse man
your mind's playing tricks on you but
then again like it's not all in your
head like if it was like I can in the
spirit realm I'm pretty strong I can do
things that can make things happen I've
been places on both sides so I have a
confidence to kind of move around in the
spirit realm and make things stop or
start things or have encounters and
experiences when I want so I couldn't I
couldn't hear like this thing had total
control of me man I couldn't couldn't
breathe my I was throwing up my
esophagus was swollen weird pains in my
body my back started to ache all of just
taking these little bitty bites of this
uh this uh Tac gummy and so he came back
and you know I'm trying to get him to
pray with me you don't have the only
thing that kind of uh would make it stop
but even still man to know that like I
couldn't even control it by speaking
speaking it out or commanding it or
whatever it was something that I was
kind of locked into and it wasn't fun it
it would maybe be fun if if you it was
just all mental like if you can it was
just all in your head and you can let it
take you and do whatever and for a lot
of people it's like that but I got on a
did some research afterwards man the
majority of people who are eating these
uh these uh weed gummy bears are having
these encounters they're like feel like
they're doing cocaine by eating just a
little piece of a gummy bear their heart
starts racing they start sweating and
they can't breathe that's not fun by any
means especially when your mind is so
far gone on off of the high of the THC
and then that starts actually happening
to your physical body and you can't stop
it ma'am it was demonic man it was
straight-up demonic I know something and
I'm not like condemning it but I'm
warning people like be careful man you
know I'm saying we talked a lot about I
have a lot of friends who smoke weed
every day and they're fine I know people
who eat gummy bears all the time but
then I know I don't I don't know anybody
who eats the gummy bears all time let me
rephrase that I have people who smoke
weed every day and they won't mess what
gummy bears because it does that to
their body so be careful eating those
edibles like that man it was it was
straight demonic wasn't Pleasant my
buddy he came back and he prayed with me
I was listening to worship music you
know but then he he was kind of tripping
too so it's always hard when people are
you know they can kind of make it better
or worse man but uh I barely pulled my
composure together when my wife and
daughter walked through the door and
this was like at midnight they were
coming home and this was I think we did
is like 8:30 men and I barely pulled my
composure together right before my wife
and daughter and like the worst fear
would be my daughter wife and daughter
coming home and me tripping on on a drug
you know what I'm saying like that's
that's a fear of mine you know and it
wasn't that the fear did it um
watchman was telling me and other people
tell me it's all in your head bro you
know you your brain is that powerful
that you created that in your body sort
of reacting no in my brain I was cool
I'm laid-back I'm strong I'm more than a
conqueror like there's things that that
I'm confident in that I have no fear
over there's no fear up fear and love
because perfect love casts out all fear
but when there's your body going through
that stuff
I had no control over it so I will warn
you for that you know people hear me
talking about my mushroom encounters and
they get excited they wanna you know it
piques their interest I still give my
warnings with that kind of stuff but
especially I wanted to share my story
with that and I don't I don't like
talking about this stuff I don't like
knowing that maybe I made a mistake I
definitely learned from it he said every
trip where even a bad trip or whatever
is a learning experience or a learning
curve I definitely learned from it I
thought I was gonna die like you're
talking about your life flashing before
your eyes and making sure you're on the
right path and you're doing the right
things and man I got to see how I was
just like you know I'm saying like it
daisya with my life and like chores
around the house and little things man
that just kind of I just kind of push
off that I need to be doing so I
definitely would use all experiences of
my life to kind of see to kind of learn
from it learn and kind of build on top
of it so yeah good came from it you
don't up saying I had to evaluate my
life because I thought I was gonna die
Lord I know I knew I wasn't the only
thing that helped me is because I've
been through it before
even though was 18 years ago like I've
been through it before but I'm reading
all these comments online of people
having similar encounters and they all
they call an ambulance and trust me I
wanted to I wanted to but you know you
just had to kind of ride it out man um
it wasn't good at all just just because
of the body not not even the mental
stuff the mental stuff was crazy too but
just the body man what it does you see
you're sitting down perfectly calm and
your heart is just I can't breathe you
have to make it it's crazy it's demonic
man I'm telling you I just had I just
had to say that man instead of let
everybody know what would happen with
that so and I'll say this this is why
this is why it's not it that it's not
for me I'm not saying that it's not for
you I'm not saying that you you can't do
it that's between you and God
right but for me it's not for me
[Applause]
and so I talk about I talk about weed
playing a role in my life too weed
playing a role in my life to pull me out
of my situation to be a form of escape
escapism to make everything a little bit
more tolerable I got friends who eat
pills to do that to this day they eat a
lortab a xanax the kids are crying
wife's complaining they eat a pill hey
everything's good bro you know what I'm
saying and I have people I know people
who smoke weed to this day and it helps
them cope with life that was that was my
form of escape when I was a teenager but
I have to be 100% honest like mom my
form of escape now I still have a form
of escape it's Jesus
it's the presence of the Holy Spirit
when I feel like I don't belong when I
feel scared when I feel oppressed I get
in the presence of God I spend time with
Jesus and he makes everything okay
he is my place of refuge my place he's
his my my strong tower my fortress from
from the enemies he will protect me
watch over me send for the angels to
guide me protect me like that is my
place that I go to to hide to cope with
life right in the presence of Jesus and
so we'd be in a form of escapism for me
I don't know what it is for you you may
do it just for fun you like to what
makes you feel but weed was that for me
now it shows you when that happens to
you like I don't want to leave the
present moment the power is in the
present moment why would we want to
escape but I have a beautiful family
a loving wife amazing daughter why would
I want to run from that why would I want
to to hide from that and so maybe it's
just for me but I know it's not it's a
lot of people resonating with this but
the powers in the moment we can't run
from it that's where all the power
that's what we create and so for to take
you out of that moment you know just be
careful guys that's all I'm gonna say
there's a and I'm gonna
say this man like like I said I have
people who do this in they're okay with
it and they can and I don't judge you
man that's between you and God I'm gonna
I'm looking for this this writing that
um that spoke to me some time ago how
much how to read it here it's kind of
long but I'm gonna read this this is a
writing from GD Watson make sure this is
it okay here we go
this is called others may you cannot and
the Holy Spirit has standards upon some
some people's life and that's what
causes us not to be able to do this type
of stuff would not be comfortable in in
places that is not called us to he's put
a seal upon us man to protect us and
guide us and so I'm gonna read this this
is a powerful this was written in the
late 1800s I believe early 1900s um and
so it starts off with the with the
scripture it says Matthew 16:24 through
25 if anyone wishes to come after me he
must deny himself and take up his cross
and follow me for whoever wishes to save
his life will lose it but whoever loses
his life for my sake will find it
Matthew 16:24 if God has called you to
be truly like Jesus he will draw you
until life of crucifixion and humility
he will put on you such demands of
obedience that you will not be allowed
to follow other Christians in many ways
he seems to let others believers let
other believers do things which he will
not let you do others who seemed to be
very religious and useful may push
themselves up to be admired and schemed
to carry out their plans but you cannot
if you attempt it you will meet it you
will meet with such failure and rebuke
from the Lord as to make your make you
sorely pent in it
this is a older others can brag about
themselves their work their successes
but the Holy Spirit will not allow you
to do any such stain if you begin to do
so he will lead you into some deep
mortification that will make you despise
yourself and all your good works this is
good I've been there others will be
allowed to succeed in making great sums
of money or in having a legacy left to
them or in heaven luxuries but God may
supply you only on a day-to-day basis
because he wants you to have something
far better than gold a helpless
dependence on him and his unseen
treasury the Lord may let others be
honoured and put forward while keeping
you hidden in obscurity because he wants
to pursue produce some choice fragrant
fruit in you which can only be produced
in the shade God may let others be great
but he will keep you small he will let
others do work for him and get the
credit but he will make you work and
toil without others knowing how much you
were doing then to make your work still
more precious he will let others get the
credit for the work which you have done
this is to teach you the message of the
cross and humility the Holy Spirit will
put a strict watch on you with a jealous
love rebuke you for careless words and
feelings or for wasting your time
which other Christians need never seem
to be distressed over so make up your
mind that God is an infinite sovereign
it's infinite and sovereign and has a
right to do so as he pleases with his
own in that he may not explain to you
the thousands of things which may puzzle
your reason and his dealings with you if
you absolute
give yourself to be his slave he will
wrap you on a jealous love and let other
Christian people say and do many things
which you cannot however know this is a
great secret of the kingdom when you
were so completely possessed with the
Living God that you are in your secret
heart pleased and delighted over this
peculiar personal private jealous
guardianship and management of the Holy
Spirit over your life then you will have
found the vegetable of heaven the high
calling of God
others may you cannot God allows people
to get away with with so much and they
they don't seem to have that same moral
compass as you other people are
successful others can do things and get
away with it even me
don't take my grace don't take my
liberty as a right to sin if you have a
strong conviction of the Holy Spirit
within you and your personal your
personal sanctification process you have
to be obedient to that no matter what I
say no matter what I tell you you should
be able to hear from God yourselves
about the choices and the decisions that
you make in your life and you should you
should be led of the Holy Spirit not we
have many teachers that come and go in
our lives and we can learn so much from
them but you can only go as high as that
teacher is you can't go any higher so
but if you're led up the Holy Spirit
you're led of God here is your teacher
he will take you to places that mine is
not comprehended and heart is not even
thought of the places that God will
bring you to and and he will make that
which is in you perfect he will finish
that good work in which he started
within you so do not get weary and in
well-doing learn to follow the voice of
the Holy Spirit in your life - to lead
you to greatness and so with that being
said man it's just about like I can't
that's not for me you know that
definitely relates now
only to the marijuana thing but
definitely to the marijuana thing other
people can smoke it
I have other other Christians who they
say it helps them be able to tap in with
God they smoke weed they get into the
spirit whatever that helps them get
closer to God helps them pray and I have
people who would debate me blue in the
face about that and that's between them
and God I can't I've tried it you know
what I'm saying and not just for the
marijuana thing it goes for so much
stuff so much stuff that uh others get
to do and I'll just get to get away with
but the Holy Spirit will not let you
live with the clean conscience and this
whole thing about this Christian walk
this spiritual walk whatever walk of
life you're coming from it's about
having clean hands and a pure heart in
everything that you do let not your
hearts be troubled but just walk with
being open before God it says that King
David would dance naked Lee before God
and in order to dance naked Lee without
restrictions without anything holding
him back it's about not trying to hide
anything from God trying to hide
anything just like Adam what was the sin
Adam tried to hide from God that he was
naked he tried to act like he didn't do
it so with us being open with God about
everything that goes on in our mind
everything that's in our heart all of
our secrets all of the things that we
don't like about God or Christianity or
religion or people or ourselves or our
family to be open with God don't carry
it don't try to hide it don't try to
keep it for yourself give it to him and
let him wash it let him clean it and
whatever it is in your life if he gives
it back to you
then that's a blessing and you can walk
forward with it all of our idolatry all
of the things that we hold above him
trust me
give it up all of you hurt all of your
paintings all of your wounds you're
doubting give it to him and if he meant
for you to carry it he'll wash it he'll
clean it up and he'll give it back to
you so with that I'm gonna say peace and
Shalom thank you guys for supporting the
work that I do I'm coming right back on
here with another broadcast we're gonna
go live again I got another interview to
do so I love each and every one of you
guys so take it for what it is ma'am
everybody's in a different walk in their
life I don't like to admit when I'm
wrong or when I messed up I'm a I'm an
example for a lot of people so I
definitely don't
like to to uh I'm saying admit that but
for me to get my healing and for me to
you know I'm saying to walk in my
victory I have to do it as well and so I
had them it when I admit when I messed
up I told my wife what I did that's not
that it was bad but you know I'm saying
I just you can't hide anything man
that's the whole thing you had to just
be open before God so man I love you
guys thank you guys for listening to me
rant and uh thank you guys for being
here for me when uh when I need when I
need you guys so thank you guys Thursday
night school of the Mystics we're gonna
be talking about what we're talking
about right now how to hear the voice of
God prophetically respond to it and find
out the ways that God speaks to us in
our lives and so Thursday night 7:00
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guys I'll be back right after this god
bless and Shalom
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