Exposing Church Culture | Prophet Elexio Baillou
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podcast with my friend Alexi oh I'm
gonna let you pronounce your last name
air cuz you told us last time it's like
just stick to the first name what's your
line how you pronounce your last name
well my whole name is Alexi last name is
Billy
Belu bags French my first name is
Spanish so I like Subaru but like I tell
everybody called me Lex yeah okay Lex it
okay mm-hmm
welcome to the truth Ichabod cast man
well first of all happy new year who
would think of that this would be will I
be doing it January first and if this is
any indication I'm in for one hell of a
ride and so definitely grateful for the
opportunity to be here
enjoyed enjoyed our recent interactions
and I'm really sad about the opportunity
of the trust so had you have a turkey
that you actually do meet those new year
resolutions to lose weight like most of
us setting and probably procrastinating
on already yep yeah I've got a couple
I'm trying to execute myself and there's
a lot of new new vision man I know the
whole clean a 2020 vision but we're
really just kind of getting that fit I
think we need to do that every day but
you know the mark over New Year's a good
place to start right
it is it is impression with a lot of
optimism and so I'm hopeful that all
those of us who have a new agendas or
want to continue awareness that we were
supposed to do between 19 that we would
experience renewed several things
renewed passion as well as you'll find
it easier to statistic through the
length and breadth of what it should be
a set up to do even when it doesn't seem
us yeah well I mean yeah that's that's
huge consistency right is something you
started make sure that you you stay with
it and you're gonna you're gonna see it
through that's huge I mean with
everything that I've been doing the last
couple years consistency even when you
want to abandon it you want to jump ship
it's like no I'm sticking with it
because I made the decision to you know
yeah absolutely and I think as well as I
there's a book by Bob Bashara coal
refuse to choose she talks about this
group of people she called scanners
and the fact is that there are those of
us a lot of times were not open and
honest about what in fact we were
actually pursuing and we actually come
to the end of what we really wanted and
so usually we're making decisions based
upon social expectations as to what is
that we should set up focus on we should
be our priority what it is that we
should set our agenda to do as opposed
to what's really connecting with your
heart so I give an example you wrote a
book and I have to purchase a copy of it
on and get I'd love to read it and the
similar decision to saying especially
I've never read any good books as it
pertains to like ghosts and vampires and
werewolves all that stuff in any network
I don't really talk a lot about it but
I've had some some experience with the
vampire stuff but I don't really go into
a lot of it okay back to the Bible like
I tie it all back to the scriptures
which is the intro from you yeah it
should be fascinating and what I'm
saying is that when it is that you write
a book typically the expectations that
you write a book to make it a
best-seller or that the agenda for
you're writing a book should be it again
it makes sales sometimes the focus for
you right look if you're honest it's
just because you want to enjoy the
opportunity of putting your putting your
words and your thoughts together too so
you focus on your Jenna could be really
different what it is that people expect
you to do for do it for and you have to
be honest about why so that you're doing
this of what it is that you actually go
out for solace that you don't get
frustrated and the fact that you get
someone else's reward an expectation
because the bill doesn't mean you fail
rather you got what it is that you were
looking for that's success for sure I
mean that's worth creating anything like
with the music and stuff you know it's
like first of all I want to create music
that I like that I enjoy exactly and
people are like man especially it was
like peering to peering into a new-style
even they're like the lyrical content
and stuff like that it was like a lot
like it's not mainstream music right
it's definitely has its own niche the
content like we're talking about
stargates we're talking about portals
we're talking about ascension we're
talking about meditation and all this
kind of stuff so there's like a niche
for that you got to kind of find the
niche and stuff but then like
it was me creating music that I enjoyed
and then everybody else enjoys it that
you know that's even better
but it's first of all making something
that I want to listen to like it's
almost like seeing the need and then
feeling it you know I'm saying
mm-hm and anything that you create it
should be and it's gonna be successful
if it fills a need man you know
absolutely absolutely the first thing
that should be met met is yours mm-hmm
the own personal fulfillment so yep I
definitely agree with that
hey let everybody know where you're from
man I am from the beautiful island of
Nassau Bahamas
I love Nassau Bahamas well I guess I've
been to Providence you do the island
Nassau is the capital city most people
know about now so because of one
location that would be the Atlantis and
so usually people here when they think
about the Bahamas they think about the
Atlantis and our beaches sun sand and
sea and so yep that's where I'm from
I'd say is a small country we have less
than five hundred thousand seventeen
fifty thousand people I believe and so
it's definitely kind of close to the
cultural community a former British
colony and so you see a lot of those
colonial traits and even influences upon
how it is that we function so Bohemians
are the type of people who will be in
100-degree weather and a full suit and
will drink tea and hot weather it's it's
great is that you see a lot of offshore
banks and you see our number one
industry is tourism and so it's very
much given to us hospitality towards
other people and it's definitely an
interesting country to live in and I
love it here I love my nation they
pissed me off but I can say that I love
being a behavior being from my country
means that people I guess I come have
kind of an international Flair when it
is the people made me because using
individuals of Nan met someone who was
from the Bahamas they just no off the
country
yeah that's interesting and it's
something about you know the way that
you speak and you're you know saying
your dialect and well yeah I feel like
you're very well-spoken as well there's
this weird thing to like especially
coming you know you have a lot of people
in the US who follow your work and
support you and things like that and
there's this is this weird essence of
something different and like even like
whether it's somebody with a British
accent they are they automatically sound
a lot more intelligent or like they know
we're talking about have you noticed
that that they're a little bit witless
like out of the country it is part of my
thumb actually and finally opened myself
up to it because my friends who are
African am I gonna pull me they said you
know relax you're part of the reason
that you have got so much favor I
brought on so many opportunities just
because of the fact that though it is
that you are a black man you're not a
black man from the USA and so when it is
that people meet you you can get away
with saying many things and doing things
that they would not necessarily be okay
with from someone who is from their own
culture and country and so yeah I can
get on pulpits and platforms wherever
I'm speaking and I can essentially blast
and I can take a butcher knife and just
go for gold and say what I what I really
think about whole lot of issues and not
blink but you see it on my social media
fades Americans love it yeah he's out
he's not really from here guys he
doesn't speak
Bahamian hated oh my god they hate it be
like what are you doing are you trying
to start a car damn right or something
along those lines
yeah but but but yeah it gives me a
measure of influence and clouds the
people don't get it especially sensitive
a they know me typically as a prophet so
that matter even allows further but this
kind of John the Baptist field is he
like to just wash crying under the
wilderness he shows up from a different
country doesn't know what and he just
gets in our business and throws stuff
over yeah just she gets
as possible I'm real help me back the
next year yeah there's something about
that man
and then like I think it kind of ties
into the scripture a little bit to where
it talks about a prophet is without
honor in his home like are we going with
this guy but then the other people are
like tell us more tell us more you know
exactly and then get jealous over the
fact that they taught me a treat
Americans definitely I said number one
Americans treated me differently they
treated me a whole lot better than you
all and I said that's why it is they
have more faith with me and you're just
jealous because of the fact that now I
found myself annoys the people who
celebrate me and honor me and I'm not
going to back down
apologize for it but they tell me that
they can say something he made once an
American says it then I listen from him
and I won't this and I always and
further by y'all she I said yo y'all
work me into the ground for nothing I
like them I like my Bohemians pissed off
with me and a bit perturbed it makes
life a little bit more interesting and I
like I love the fact that I get to go
abroad to minister in the USA and
encounter so many different individuals
across the spectrum spirituality
denominations wherever it is it's a joy
that's awesome
where did where did that kind of cross
for you or are you still crossing into
because I don't really know much about
you right I found out about you through
Calvin Witcher we did I think when he
actually invited us to be a part of his
his mentorship program that he was doing
with his community he let us come in
pray and prophesy and move some things
around for people individually doing
personal prophecies and things and it
was a beautiful experience and I love
Calvin that was awesome so you were on
the ticket and he is you were on the
ticket and it's always me and you and I
met you that night via the zoom his zoom
called with about 30 40 people or so
there's a lot of people there and so I
met you there and you were flowing in
the prophetic just and you were talking
about how you can just kind of tap in
and just keep going and going and going
and give words and things like that and
you did that night you gave some some
very accurate words I mean the people in
tears and was moved it was a powerful
encounter but that was the first time I
heard about you I friended you after
that and then recently been the last
couple months been following some of
your your posts and
which have been hilarious and going off
with the memes and stuff like that and
just really it really feels like you're
taking shots at what you're doing
hashtag unpopular opinion but you're
taking shots at Church culture and what
these kind of like agreed-upon things
that are not biblical that we kind of
maybe assumed
we're biblical or just as proper church
etiquette and you're taking shots at
some of this stuff and I feel like it
sets people free and it makes them ask
questions and stuff like that so I was
like man I gotta I gotta ask you more
about about that stuff and I really like
your spirit so I wanted to connect with
you but we really haven't connected much
outside of that so I wanted to you know
yeah we gotta fix them we need to go to
- what's my good crack about your first
think it's so pathetic that I'm in love
with rocker brother take me to cracker
but you know about the Waffle House no
man listen I will go to Boston man
because like take me out Cracker Barrel
take me to Waffle House listen I'll save
my pennies up and let's go to turn up
well with me what happened is the way
the way that occurred is that well I'll
just say this from my childhood I've
always found myself in a plurality of
spiritual environments even though
primarily met my focus and my my
personal growth has been within the
context of Christian culture and I
definitely consider myself a follower of
Jesus Christ and what is it teaches or
what is that he perpetuates us truth the
fact is that I spent my life even around
around the Virgin ways of viewing God
and their bridge and spiritual
experiences man my next-door neighbor
was a beautiful Jehovah's Witness
smaller and you know bye-bye-bye
predominant Christian thought she would
be considered a different religion
different furniture paths and I would go
with her to my Galax I would sit down
and she would teach me and she would
lecture she one actually from my
childhood I got older and when I came I
grew up on
most of you will never visit that you've
never heard of his called man and Ross a
and D are OS everybody knows about NASA
which is the capital but Andros is the
largest island in the Bahamas and it's
50 minutes from the capital when it was
then I became when it was then I came to
the capital to go to high school I
started just reading us much different
material that I can get my hands on and
I was as much fascinated by Harry Potter
as I was by any hints box I was as much
faster than good duo though man I know
right yeah I was intrigued by the
reading of Smith Wigglesworth who was a
famous evangelist from back in the day
was America's Catholic making babies
exactly I was much fascinated by his
stuff as I was above understanding
sexuality and as I was about
understanding and just different
worldviews and different experiences and
then I began to become immersed even
more so in supernatural counters and
experiences and so what has happened was
over the years even when it isn't have
been of tertiary level education in the
USA at Florida Nash University I was
constantly engaged and immersed in
variety of spiritual experiences with
individuals who didn't necessarily think
how I thought and it changes the way
that you view life how it is that you
move your view for me church culture and
how it is that I think that we should
function and I would say that my agenda
isn't to get people to live according to
the path because their whole lot of
things you see in Scripture they're
pretty much a messed up and you can take
one passage of scripture from any
particular context and you can you can
utilize it to abuse people have to
berate people to live a particular way
instead of liberating and so really my
heart has been towards people living in
freedom for people living free from
condemnation and shame and to be to be
empowered to be their best selves and so
that's what I really think
I take shots of things that that tend to
restrict people in that fashion and when
you live in a nation like I do you have
a lot of opportunities to take starts at
stuff and you have a lot of a lot of
chances and many things to talk about
because you see the wind which is a
religion can be used to oppress people
instead of empower people to their free
and without condemnation and shame was
there any like we say would you
combative at all like against like these
different ideas that were coming in like
I'm saying what you told like when you
read Harry Potter would you told that
you wasn't supposed to read it in church
and one things that I did actually when
I first started reading his work was I
remembered I remember I started to have
I don't think it was a Christian but I
think that messed me up I don't know if
you remember by Mary Kay Baxter I've got
it and he came and said the cap is free
yeah piece of trash was big back in the
day it is horrible and after real
material I said how nightmares I just in
compliment where every we're coming for
your ass they were exactly but I was
also reading some loose stuff I think
simultaneous and one of my men just in
church told me you didn't take his books
in the back of your apartment and you
need to burn and that's what I did and
so I burned his stuff and I hate the
fact that I bribed them but thankfully I
can still remember the books and I
purchased all of them again all the time
but yeah what happened is that for me I
just started to realize there's so many
ideas that I held and that I creature
that I perpetuated was it that bondage
you know consecrating a culture of
control raiders the church leaders or
people in positions of powerful ism that
they can regulate and take people's
lives that they have an inherent
authority and a right to time
distribution live allies
what is that we should do what is that
we should not do and that I I came up in
a culture particularly within the
charismatic field you know like
mainstream denomination like I grew in
you ought to be afraid of several things
number one sex is horrible and you're
taught that it's just be a nice person
stay calm live according to their rules
and their traditions and you could when
you
the Karris Mattox a whole different set
of freaks and it can be it's just a
whole whole different type of situation
and you know I'm speaking in tongues all
of this stuff around it is that
simultaneously creating a living a midst
of people that that think I mean
everything is a demon and that utilize
hyper spiritual language of practices
for the purposes of controlling how
people use their money how does it they
use their time greater so they go with
it is that they don't go it's really
kind of like some Jim Jones type of mass
that you can experience and I started
going I started to be in some of those
communities Sam sit in those spaces
because I was just - and I found myself
processing like this stuff don't make
any sense this isn't true this isn't
real and I began to continue looking
voices who can who can validate the fact
that what I was what I was sensing was
in fact the truth and once I met them
and I started to really look clearly at
scripture they didn't match up that was
about freedom was about empowering
people I got real pissed off and I just
started going back and so some of the
people and people were really my friends
I was in these spaces I had influence I
had clout in those and those arenas but
I just started to just come outside of
those gates and I saw the floor rocks of
those glass windows because as far as I
was concerned
this is bondage this is this is toxic
this is controlling people's lives and
unfortunately in the Christian culture
and the Christian Church what can happen
is that you can take you can take
individuals who are sincerely passionate
about growing in about Jesus and you can
use that opportunity I monopolize upon
it to basically get and do whatever it
is that you want and it's it's sad and
it's one of those things that I do you
seen the video
this is going to an extremes right but
you've seen a video where the pastor's
got the church people out there eating
grass like cattle and stuff
you told me to do it well a Cuban
experience I went to a ministry that was
headed by a woman and I publish a senior
video for and she she isn't that extreme
getting people to eat grass but what
will happen is that she she was the type
of individual that all of these people
leaving that you know any and everything
about them that they had demons and you
know we can find it being Fanny and
everything and so I remember on Sunday
mornings we will come around the public
area and sheer casting demons also be
given plastic bags at paper towels and
our we was supposed to throw well yeah
and bring up all of the demonic activity
and everything like that to get free and
to get a lot of those communities I will
say I think people were doing it though
people were like kind of training
themselves how to use those muscles to
throw up like cycle because it's a
doctrine nation and then you argue on
the floor having seizures and you doing
all of this stuff because that's what
you thought you're supposed to do and if
I conditioned you long enough to make
you believe that you have something you
will live in that reality and a coin and
you support those ideas
yeah yeah the we kind of got into a
little bit of that it wasn't throwing up
it could've got to that but the god one
of the guys who discipled me was really
big into what he would call hacking up
demons he would start coughing
uncontrollably like even like if even if
it was like just some you know you know
how somebody can preach and then you
feel the anointing and it hit you and it
kind of goes to their places in your
body he'll feel it and he'll start like
coughing up demons and getting and start
crying and getting freedom but that was
just in his head it was you know with
the with the breath and with the Ruach
you know the connection there it was
always just loud obnoxious coughing he
said and he would feel a release from it
because psychologically he had told
herself that that's how the demons leave
was not her sibling did he had a demon
and it was funny is the relatives you
look in scripture when people who are
really demonized so of real levels
there was no question over the fact or
whether none of this was an aluminized
ever presence a presence in an operation
in their lives that was nestled amid the
imagination and so I've seen a few of
those real ones but more so than
anything else I just think that then
unfortunately we create we create a
space wherein people not for reasons to
not take responsibility for their lives
of their uniqueness and so when it is
that you try that something is wrong
with you you will find some type of way
to deal with it or get rid of it and so
you will you will finally the
deliverance books and you know all of
your polish and all of you let me see
pigs in the parlor yeah and all of that
stuff and you will you will create
entire I mean an aside those are the
people who
what are these ideas it was it like
works for them they'll make they make
millions of dollars yeah other people
and and so that because that's the
excuse me and in everything that happens
people's lives you got a demon so when
you started being conscious of that you
started calling that crap out right yeah
what happened with me is that one of the
things that have been occurred was and I
think I remember the name I mean the
post I was a part of being I made a post
on there on my mind and when I said
revival is a myth yeah yeah yeah I
remember you respond is that one and
what was coming to my mind was was being
a part of a community several years ago
who all about revival culture and they
were all about the fact that you know
science one is all of this grace of the
supernatural
but I wasn't for not of the excessive
intoxicate day as it tends to come with
these things that we think three figures
necessary the quota collection bins
guard to move so so that self
flagellation and you know that you need
to kill your flesh and that's they've
actually need to beat this up repeat
that now and and what I what I found is
that
is that what I was being taught as truth
was just someone someone else's ideas
that that you couldn't really track and
make sense of a grab hold on true and
and it was just a lot of times personal
empire-building
and so what started to happen is I think
the season I just disconnected from
church on the whole yeah I wasn't given
the microphone if I wasn't for a
particular engagement when it was that I
had the capacity to dictate what was
going to happen you can find me in those
spaces and so I was just I was just you
know I was angry and I was frustrated
because I had major voices and major
leaders that I looked up to as a mother
or father which was a holder just saw
like the image that this person is you
know it's supposed to be the picture
forever he's supposed to become in
Christ and that you should finish leave
everything like Elijah did for me oh
yeah it's a whole movement they call the
father as well I was I was deeply
neck-deep in indoctrinated into that way
of thinking and I started to find out
that the people that I was following
didn't really have the heart of God
rewards near the first place and that it
was jessamine submission is that they
can get me into indentured servitude
really so they can use me and hit me and
prostitute me
however serves their best and my job is
to be quote unquote a son and so
whenever I started get free that aside
to realize that I was I was being used
and misused and abused I got I got angry
and for years and for years a part of my
healing process was just calling back
issue saying what it was and identifying
you know calling them manipulative
calling a coercive saying that it was
toxic
and that are you gonna be a part of that
type of space and functioning in that
fashion you should not be received as a
follower of Jesus Christ but in fact you
are
you're unde angel and so that's what
happened and then church leaders you
know set of opinions about me and
apparently they have conversations about
my back but they're afraid to talk to me
because like I said I am smart yeah it
sounds like we kind of connect so well
and I'm drawn to what you're doing is
the fact I mean that's very similar to
what happened to me and and I think a
lot of people listening to you know what
I'm saying and they're they're eat some
of them that that's happened to them or
some of them they're going through this
right now there's things that they
believe in experiences that they have
but if they speak out about it they're
gonna be demonized they're gonna be
talked about behind their back there's
something called ghosting you know in
the church realm where you just like you
just kind of cut the person off and you
don't talk to them or even tell them
okay
how can two walk together except they be
agreed even though we take this complex
you know I want I want you to expound
around a little bit too because that's
one that we always would would go on and
we would like cut people off because
they agree they believe something
different we did Christian rap for a
long time and like we were quit working
with each other because we believed in
signs and wonders and then they became
more of reformed theology and they were
like no they were Calvinists and they
said they they didn't want to be seen on
stage with us anymore like people that
we grew up with and they just kind of
veered off into something different you
know in you know I'm saying in the
scriptures and we wouldn't be seen
together can two walk together less they
agree and that separated so many people
for me now I'm like when I read that
scripture it's like can two walk
together less they agree it's like hold
on let's find what we can agree on and
walk together in that that's still
that's what I get out of that now
because I'm finding so much peace there
are several things number one within
your own selves you don't always agree
sometimes you have a cognitive
dissonance you disagree with some of the
things that you find something Charlie
conflicted because they're trying to
reconcile two different things that you
tend to believe
and increase the kind of cognitive
dissonance you're conflicted so what are
you going to separate from you in one
cell that's the first thing second thing
look at marriage now in the matter
relationship if the basis of your
connection with somebody is agreement on
everything you can have a very messed up
marriage because I don't know I don't
know any healthy couple who constantly
agrees on everything it just doesn't
work and so what happens is that that's
why I said we'll fight any position to
take it out of context especially if
it's old testament we love especially
when spouses like Malachi will a man Rob
Oh God yes you have Robin or swine but
that down making a lot of people up
though for real because that's so easy
to break down man God just to break that
passage down the first thing is that
that scripture had nothing to do with
the general body it was towards the
priests the money it did the chat the
book is only four chapters and all you
got to do is read the beginning of each
chapter and he addresses it like what
the hell why are they reading these
curses that were for other people and
they're putting them on us and I want to
tie that into witchcraft Harry Potter
spirituality watch out for the witches
watch out for Calvin Witcher he's a
witch you know the Christian which is um
there's more witchcraft being done in
church ministry then Christian churches
then there is in Wiccan covens which
covens men there's some of the most
darkest craziest witchcraft going on
when the pastors and leaders understand
what those scriptures mean and they
still continue to teach it that same
ways because they can get money out of
you
witchcraft is manipulation whether
you're my lip with whether you're
manipulating matter and and pull them in
and out in creating things they're doing
that under the pulpit and with the music
and God and salvation and eternity at
stake man is so so Darbo it is and you
know I've I used to say hate rich cross
but after meeting you know what I'm
considering some of this stuff
I see where am i out because did you
mess with my theology my issue is with
coercion made by issues with myth image
intimidation my issues taking the free
will and empower people to make their
own choices I think I think that is
extraordinary dangerous and toxic and
more than anything else and that's what
I've seen done so many times I know
individuals who who will marry will not
marry certain question because they're
seemingly the prophesy and I tell the
guard says oh my god I'm seeing or
trying to I've seen what happens a lot
you've probably seen this too the gay
thing we get a gay guy in and we hate
he's not gay no more we prayed for him
he gives on Jesus and they'll try to
hurry up and marry them with another
young woman who's looking for a husband
and I hear y'all get to getting their
cinema on dates they'll even pay for
their dinner you know they hate in it
they had this hookup in like close
friends of mine have almost gotten
married and engaged with gay guys like
that would have messed them up so bad to
get into marriage couple months a year
and be like hey I'm still gay like you
know I know y'all told me I wasn't but
those feelings never left you know what
I'm saying like because the first thing
we think is that according to us
sexuality first of all III find it
interesting that this whole I in here in
church culture Church I'm homosexual
lifestyle and I've always asked the
question no not always but rich I've
been asked the question what is a what
is a heterosexual lifestyle of what is a
homosexual I said I need I need clear
mark just like I can understand it's a
Christian lifestyle because if it is
such a fall of Jesus Christ it strange
lifestyle because these things believe
some practice these beliefs influence
totally how you interact how you
function in everyday life it shows up
giving your core values and your
convictions or whatnot you know it's a
gay lifestyle but somebody ran or
rainbow colored flag and are listening
to I'm every woman or something along
those lines or you know doing the 24/7
no one has ever been able to explain
those ideas to me because here Herron is
part of the problem and I have a church
folk and this is really what irritates
me the most
we don't have we don't empower people
within within within the spiritual
spaces that I've been in we don't
empower people to study to think
critically and to do research and you
can you can perpetuate any idea that you
want to repatriate especially if it
doesn't go against mainstream culture so
for example we talked about but LGBTQ
issues if you live in a very patriarchal
and misogynistic type of ID system all
you have to do is paint a picture of
that
I'm paying a painted picture that
perpetuates an idea that supports and
affirms that type of mental stronghold
and people will go with you with that so
that's why it is everyone to believe
that homosexuality is the spirit and
that gave the spirit and that is some
that you cast out and that you know
that's why it is that the and then a
mystery find different terms to the fire
but we don't want to find so somebody
says you know I'm not gay I'm same-sex
attracted SSA which SSA simply equals
gay you know just saying
OS opposite sex attracted Eagles
heterosexual and we teach that you can
lose these things so you could break
this this is about sex and when it has
absolutely nothing to wear which is
someone has been made and constructed
and it goes back to them to who disobey
our on a deeply psychological and even
neurological level but but unfortunately
I've found within within church culture
we think that we could I guess do my god
pray anyway
pray it away right away and it never it
never works out there for a long time I
mean I'm in the Bible Belt man and we
were charismatic we think we I mean
we're you know I thought that was my
truth only to recently just um since
several years ago that we like you know
that that spell get broken off of my
life of that you know what gay people
are and can be their friends you know
just weird stuff man died had to come
out especially as the
I guess excuse the term you described as
a white cisgender man in other words a
cisgender you're born as a man and as
well as heterosexuals natural attraction
is to women you grew up in a system that
that in that inherently thinks that how
it is that you function that is not only
normal but that's what everyone else did
and everyone else should live their
lives and so whatever and whomever does
not conform through that it's
automatically not only abnormal but they
are its version and it's sad that we
create these we create these binary
boxes wishes of expecting people to
function in a because it creates
oppression and if and it hinders
creativity and innovation and the
capacity for us to see the plurality of
differences in terms of how God makes
people I would is that a function and I
remember I remember the deep the one of
the first what I quote
really really talk to community I found
I found myself it was just because the
thing you needed she does deliver in
such as yesterday oh and apparently she
came to cast out me and I remember 16
years and being under the tent and she
doing other stuff taking olive oil rub
it in my crowns and doing all of this
crazy stuff I'm serious it was a mess
yeah I probably about the next thing I
was a chance to find I ain't gay no more
I'm delivered I've seen you on a video
I'm not gay no more I am delivered
delivered and so you sit in those spaces
and you and you follow follow what they
believe or what they teach and but yet
you find behind the scenes are the
biggest freaks I mean because those type
of communities they tend to have so many
people that who are so sexually
repressed that they start messing with
each other start doing a lot of crazy
stuff and all the way that they're able
to kind of function well is to marry one
another
and it's it isn't healthy
so weird because when they do it it's
okay you know what I'm saying
whatever they still got a pulpit they
still got this kind of stuff but they
cuz they had there's just people
bamboozled order like under a spell that
they've created with that plan cradle
dependent culture some people function
with option well it was it was it was
big with what's-his-name god rest her
soul but Bishop anything his leaders you
know well I guess he never came out you
know what I'm saying like but his
leaders came out saying even if he did
do it we're still follow him you know
what I'm saying even if he was having
sex with little boys we're still follow
it was like okay this is crazy and that
wins is about being a gay that was about
what mess were underage dudes you know
well first of all that situation that's
on pedophilia and homosexuality
electrical circuits are completely
different ball games but those two
different situations I guess because you
were because the whole issue of
pedophilia it is about its predatory
being saying if someone's innocent
doesn't matter if it's a male or female
now what I will say like with that any
long situation and this is interesting
you know something the reason he found
out more than likely he wasn't the one
that did anything but what he was doing
because he was the most famous person
it was covering up for a lot of his
other friends allegedly who were leaders
of small organizations smaller parties
and perhaps what was occurring is that
he took the brunt of the beating because
he was the only person that could have
been able being able to handle the
payouts and deal with all that different
stuff what what happens is that is that
when church leaders arrived a certain
level of prominence because we build
platforms all around them it's kind of
like Nebuchadnezzar building a a
building a an idol to themselves because
what tends to happen is that we create
the type of places where in church
leaders become demagogues and they can't
afford to fall or fail because there's
so much dependent upon their success
because
leading an organization and say for
example Bishop irrigation beads and only
supportive sounds in Dallas Texas that
has about 30,000 members and you have
several hundred employees dependent upon
you and your name your Tegrity a
character your reputation has to be
sterling if it is that that becomes
tarnished what happens is that the
people who support you who pay under
this organization start withdrawing
funding because this is a nonprofit
entity and if that occurs then you know
then you lose people and this whole
system starts to crack and fall down and
it destroys and really challenges the
lives of individuals and so we can't
afford unfortunately the way that we do
things you can't afford for people to
get into music if they do we can't
afford to really hold them accountable
because the main and the cost of it is
something that we're not prepared to
really adjust the deal with yeah you see
that a lot man yeah in in you know
they're really good at setting up these
structures and getting people to believe
in what they're doing and that there was
a couple seasons where we were like the
Lord used us to just be in a certain
place to check people man like we're
just nobodies you know carrying the
anointing and God would call you to
check a big leader man you know what I'm
saying and doing all kind of weird stuff
but I'm man it comes out and usually the
ones whether it's the homosexual stuff
or prey the gay away I think one of the
leaders of that movement just came out
as gay the guy who's like doing what
what do they call it they there's have a
name for it yeah but there's another
another word they do it was actually
it's not called pray the gay West was a
silly name but absolutely yeah it's like
that but there's an actual name I forgot
what they call anyway it was one of the
leaders of that movement and he just
came out as being gay I mean Ted Haggard
you know all of these guys who were
really loud about it they're trying to
hide was the Alan Campbell Exodus
international or I think more than 20
plus years he got up and he said and
that that they have failed in their
mission and that in 99.9 percent of the
cases when is that individuals who came
to them for help or conditioning or
support they found out that these are
these people
how did not experience any real change
of sexual orientation and they may have
learnt a deal with other other typical
issues individuals who who are LGBTQ
special deal with just because because
of society being so oppressive and toxic
the what's our excitation to occupation
and I may have a security but that has
nothing to do with their sexual
orientation it's just because you you
hope you're having to hide it and not
being able to live in a healthy fashion
so whenever it is that people have to
function in a repressive way you're
gonna get them behaving and less than
healthy healthy manners and so he said
that they fail and so many of the
founders the people that supported these
ideas who came in and spearheaded this
stuff keep coming up coming out and
saying that you know that this this
stuff isn't working now you have the
bless their hearts you have Beth Bethel
Church in California who has this whole
movement you know I'm talking about
people owning gay no more their
delivered and it's and it's it's toxic
and it's burying because what it does is
that a container gives false hope
narratives and it promotes confusing
message creates confusing messages that
you have to put out and it just doesn't
it just doesn't work
the psychology tells you that the things
that we're teaching and that we're
supporting doesn't work but when it
comes to the whole issue of sex and the
whole the only thing that we think is
healthy is missionary position between
the train train a husband and a wife and
as boring as possible and interesting
you know over the years you find out
that we once believed that sex in the
North itself if it did not produce an
heir if it did not include the
possibility of a child BC I was four I
was considered sodomy you
and oral sex like with your even with
your spouse like they were church
leaders we were under like no no you
don't you don't even do that with your
spotlight or anything
I know major church leaders who who
really do perpetuate that believe in
this whole purity culture type of stuff
yeah you know that that you know that
they will tell you them marry and that
they do engage they don't engage in oral
sex with each other because to do so
would be God yeah that's weird a the
only time you should come together with
your spouse is to have a child to
italica ideas and it goes way back into
issues that the church always had well
even San Agustin some of these guys
whole great Christian reformers and
fathers interfaith has some pretty
messed up ideas about sex and I know
one major church leader from back in the
day I'm centuries ago who praised the
idea if it is that you married somebody
godly and christ-like not to have sex
with the person that you were married to
that was I had a purity and height of
commitment to Jesus Christ no sexual
intercourse and engaged on intimacy with
your partner yeah what was the whole
thing with the guy at Waco was his name
Waco Texas
David Koresh he was telling ya the cult
leader who had the sounds eerily similar
to some other people but he had the
divine revelation on the seven seals and
how they're gonna be unlocked and what
they are you know and all that kind of
stuff and started his own cult and
commune and that kind of thing but one
of his things he would tell some of his
followers who were married like they
came in married or they wanted to get
married he'd say abstinence and he would
have sex with their wives and he would
do it too like he would talk to men like
because we're not supposed to do it but
I'm gonna take on the role for you and
do this for and he would convince people
like okay sure
they believe anything man it's scary bro
I think that I think this I think the
scripture talks about a to dissent be
not many teachers man not many leaders
as a horse or judgment you see why most
people can't see it like that's the
whole witchcraft of it all like the true
dark witchcraft like a cult bad stuff
because they because they got everybody
fooled right behind the scenes they're
telling you not to do it but they're
doing it if you have real supernatural
powers you can you can convince people
to hold on to an idea because most
people are not taught to discriminate
between divine gifting and an able and a
supernatural capability and where that
is the best person simultaneously a
healthy individual to deal with alcohol
and you know if it is that you work
miracles if you can heal the sick you
can raise the bed and you can you get
cancels all of the stuff that's that
doesn't mean that you are you're not a
liar but you're not deceptive but that
you're not manipulative or coercion
because well the power doesn't come from
you in the first place you know the
medium you know the entity being you
relax release this getting this
capability now you should walk with
honor and integrity so does that you
don't create you don't lose credibility
and cause your approach to what it is
that you're actually doing and you don't
damage people but but but but like let's
say you let's say you you go into
hospital just so to speak and people
automatically miraculously healed do you
know how much clout that creates for you
in that moment of time and how much
trust people are willing to place in you
because they've not seen it before yeah
and they're not open to that before and
so you know it was some of the great
healing evangelists people like Kathryn
Kuhlman
I love Kathryn coming on but a lot of
the races he thought was messed up if
you read them you have what what some of
those were probably doing and definitely
what we see going on now with cameras
everywhere all these fake healings or we
do one false healing up
even and then the you know people are
excited people are gonna start giving
and all that kind of stuff there's been
a lot of videos come on I did a I
covered some of it you probably seen it
it was like in Uganda or something like
that and the lady who had the withered
arm and prayed and poured water and
she's stretching it out and it looked
real we I mean at first glance I watched
it I was like man a creative miracle
praise God like because you want it to
be real you know you want that that book
to be real and then we don't be to be
don't be don't demand transparency from
so for credible things you know it's one
thing if it's a alan and some of those
guys when lily and by real scientists to
come this does come see this type of
stuff what's really occurring and so you
know cancer approach on the real because
you see so much false
yeah well that's with everything though
they say that with you know Christianity
and you know the Crusades and this they
point out all the bad witch it's the
first thing people go to and then we're
talking about healings and miracles and
signs and wonders and we immediately go
to the bad you know hey you me seen that
fake one you know and just seeing how I
think I think you know deep down there's
probably like a shepherding heart there
that we don't want the people to be lied
to because we were lied to and we you
know and and and I would read the
comments on those videos and people were
like praise God and they were like in
tears that there is power in Jesus name
but they didn't know that this woman was
a plant and there's other videos where
they used the same woman with the same
arm who got healed in another church
like I did a whole breakdown on it or
whatever but it's always happened like
I've even looked at like some of the big
guys you know who David Hogan is yes
he's got all these crazy stories or
similar stories and you know he was
raising the dead he raised two hundred
people from the dead or whatever and
he's talking about limbs snapping back
together and just horns coming out of
people's heads going back in like crazy
signs and wonders and he tells these
stories in such a way that it raises
your faith that railing you know but
there's really no proof there and so
there's been a lot of people who would
do the plant thing to to like justify it
or even make up these stories to justify
because they're building your faith I'm
building your faith in God and so I can
make these stories I like yeah
I would save like for me living here
this is one of the one of the benefits
of living in the Caribbean because we
tend not to have as much read-only
access to probably some of the benefits
even medically that you see in the USA
as well as because we're group if you if
you are a that person and Union and you
live in the West Indies you're more
tuned and rooted in spirituality as
opposed to typical Westerners who may
live in in a first world country and so
I remember having a mentor who I would
see he would speak to though he would
speak to the ring and it would start
raining
I would speak to the wind no
exaggeration I would see these things
occur but at the same time that same
question was trying to this was a man
trying to manipulate and sleep with his
with somebody young man that he mattered
not me not me I thank God but I'll try
to do all this type of stuff but my
point is that you know there there will
always be false I've seen and I know the
real I know the real and I know
individuals who they're demonstrate the
real and I prophetic person as I am I
tend to be so and they tell me that
could be such a cynic but I think I
think it's my own safeguard because I
don't want to there's a lack of it show
there's a lack of it like there needs to
be that to be like a healthy medium and
we've seen so much stuff fly and the
people want it so much and that's why
you you create an atmosphere of
expectancy because it's the placebo
which the placebo is a good can be used
for a good thing people want it and you
give them what they want you know what
I'm saying and hopefully you're doing it
for a good reason and some people say it
gets iffy when money's involved you know
you getting you lying or whatever the
case is to get them to give but we've
been in so many services and stuff where
people are just profits on what just
making stuff up that you heard them tell
somebody last week they got these words
and you know there's always like the
etiquette or default you go to give them
dreams and visions Lord wake him up in
the middle of that you know he's weird
things and I was a part of a church
service where I was I wanted the real
you know what I'm saying we want the
real we longed for you know and the lady
was just like prophesy on book deals on
everybody she said you had a booking he
got a book people crying uh
you know everybody had a book in them
you know what I'm saying and everybody
had this and she told the pastor that he
was gonna be riding on planes and trains
and it was rhyming they guess all right
planes and trains are coming into your
life there's gonna be a line coming out
of the church all the way down the block
and they're falling out in the glory of
God there's gonna be a lot people
waiting to get in to hear the word of
God because there's a shortage of the
Word of God he's crying in the Holy
Spirit and then like they're gonna be
lined up to that that store down the
road and they change churches like the
next week and they're always like like
my elders and stuff the ones who led me
they were like because I would start
calling this stuff out like bro you
can't just be making this stuff up
that's only if your profits are falsely
you're a false prophet yeah it's like
well it can it can happen you can't call
it because one day that could still
happen like that could be a line coming
out of that church you know and they
don't know that deny even in that
building and we'd let it fly and it
really hit me hard because like the
scripture talks about when you're moving
prophetically like that there's
something we always leave out and it
says somebody's supposed to be there
judging the matter hold on what the hell
are you talking about
the Lord told you these people got book
deals and you know what I'm saying like
somebody to kind of that's kind of
outside of it who's not like trying to
hype it up there's supposed to be a
judge there when prophecies going forth
and willing you'll never see somebody
doing that and calling like the
Evangelist or the past or whoever hey ho
I don't think that was God bro you need
to kind of reel it back oh we don't do
that here you don't unless it's gonna be
a big little hope you don't hold it does
accountable and I think a lot a lot of
trials so what we consider the prophetic
has been so has been so hyped up as well
as here and as I found
a lot of people are happy with life on
the whole when the reality that they
live in
yeah and so because because because they
not happen the life they weren't your
chance to come and say something to them
to tell me they're gonna skip the
reality with what their life is like so
I remember when I was eight years old a
a prophet came to my kid came to the
house he said when I was trying to be a
prophet I was kind of coordination about
traveling other nations and this
juncture I'll probably travel to foreign
nations and preach and different states
of the USA and ain't that glamorous to
be quite honest the fulfillment of what
she's spoken over my life and things
that I've got being declared it's it's
nowhere as as fun as some people will
tend to think about it's going to be and
and and what happens is a lot of times
people don't have wisdom to go with what
is being spoken at simultaneously I find
that people tend to just want to be
addicted to some fun some fantasy idea
but they're being being something that
they're not really they really aren't
and then they can't be happened with the
reality of their own lives
yeah yeah yeah about the reality of
their own life and so they see prophecy
as a means to to give them a false sense
of self and to take them away from the
reality of what it means to walk out
walk out the fulfillment of what has
been spoken of their lives and how about
probably is going to be so for me it
means a lot of work it means it means a
lot of sacrifice and a lot of challenges
but I'm saying if I'm sound walking and
working on things that have been spoken
over me but it isn't some big fantasy
ideas like someone makes some people
would think about how many big big I'll
gonna put it there's no be flyers with
my name on all of eternity searches of
what about kind of the I'm kind of the
john the baptists being mark as he's
he's an era he's wounded he's fought
sees don't listen to that guy
and so you know the fact is people just
tend to tend not to have a realistic
expectation sorry
they tend they did not have realistic
expectation and then they just hate
their lives and so they see they see
this as a momentary opportunity to get a
sense of affirmation and validation
about themselves even if it isn't real
the weird thing is it's like you can
make it real like any of those
prophecies like the book deal even
though that was BS like somebody could
like held on to that she told me and I'm
gonna write it down and I'm gonna start
writing tomorrow like how many people
you get props out to you're gonna blow
is gonna wake you up at 2:00 or 3:00 in
the morning give you dreams of visions
give you songs and give you ideas and
you wake up and you just go back to
sleep right like if you but really
believe that you're like waiting to get
woken up you know what I'm saying
invitation I think anything like that
real prophecy is an invitation to a
journey that that's gonna require a
change and shift you know it's such a
function but people tend not to be
interested in that they tend to just
want the momentary information and not
the call to personal responsibility and
what else when I speak tends to bring
about a greater sense of sobriety as
opposed to people falling out yeah we uh
well I was running the phone lines for a
friend of mine who's a psychic that's
her title and I ran the phone lines on
blog talking I would take the caller's
and get their name and stuff but
eventually they wanted me to start
praying and they really liked my prayers
and a lot of them you know weren't a
part of church culture it was different
for them for me to bless somebody and
pray over them they could feel God you
know when I prayed and stuff and a lot
of people they will call in for readings
from the psychic and they just wanted to
be told like they wanted somebody to
agree with them something whether it's
like something they already felt and
they just wanted a who it fixed and like
and then they would the the lady would
ask me okay truth what do you feel
I'm like okay you you wonder what you
see coming back oh do you want them back
like he like you know saying like do you
want it I'm asking them the hold on what
do you want fight because if you wanted
there's things to do to make it happen
to manifest it in get right well fraid
this work there's work involved to it
it's not like what you actually want
yeah be concise and if you want prayer
let's release it lay like let's create
it like in the spirit and in your mind
let's make a connection there if that's
what you want idea and we'll help you
get on the right track and remove any
obstacles but like what do you want
there just call it in like hey tell me
what I'm gonna do with my life
oh I see you doing this I see you doing
that you don't saying and that's what
they but Delk but you're so work is like
people to keep calling back like every
week wanting a prophecy or a psychic
reading
I didn't we just give you give you some
information last week you want you I
want I want you to do do do for me what
I should do for myself
yeah for sure yeah and I people around
people would rather be manipulated and
disempowered then it is that when things
fall apart you can't blame you rather
than that a psychic was wrong with a
preacher or whoever rather than rather
than saying okay I didn't expect this
happened and I took this risk and this
situation occurred this week that's
that's what that's what it is that's
what you that's what it is I just see
occur many times and it's sad but it's
not surprising because the fact remains
that in an end and being in the world of
which is a really people can make so
many choices and you and you're taught
even in school you're indoctrinated and
you are warmed to follow someone else's
path and you're not you know try to make
so to make decisions and being empowered
individual yourself and so I know what
times like I told I told a mentor of
mine I said I have I said I have a
and I said I'm an independent thinker I
she told me that I had a vagabond spirit
that was another thing right so mad
because of the fact that I didn't just
accept what they say when they said I
didn't just accept it as true and I
didn't effects like the fact that you
found we found a passage of Scripture
she supported because I founded that
just looking to scripture at face value
doesn't mean that you're going to
actually understand what it was the
facts saying so I'm better because I had
enough common sense to critically
analyze mothers that they were
perpetuating to me that's true yeah and
there's a lot that comes with that and
that you've experienced that I've
experienced right a lot of other people
which leads me to this understanding of
the baptism of fire in the charismatic
movement we know what the fire is
justifying your life on your life I'm
moving I'm moving closer into this
baptism of fire like which I love the
fire of the anointing the fire of his
way to glory presence like the fire
that's within I got a breath of fire
like I love it all but I'm really moving
now to like understanding like the the
fire is the anointing of like trials and
like let me set up these trials in these
situations to see how you react to make
sure that you really believe this stuff
and in going through that like like you
get the anointing when you're pressed
when you're going through situations
like when you have the the oil it comes
out of the olive when it's pressed and
trampled and beat up and beat on and
then the the oil comes out so I feel
like there's like there's a connection
with going through adversity or going
through maybe what we would think is
hardship or having a Church's gossip
about you or pastors lie on you or
people you know call you out your name
and gossip behind your back like that
does something to us especially when we
thought that that was family and all
that kind of stuff but you know God is
the author and finisher of our faith and
there's like a test and reasons that we
kind of go through that so that
you won't get you won't get tickled when
you got your name on a flier and a video
goes viral
you know saying you won't be moved by
the applause and opinions of men guys
got to burn that out of you with that
fire did you see a connection there with
like the fire the baptism of fire and
the anointing and going through these
trials because I feel like even when
it's like everything's against you and
you don't it seems like you don't have
no way out and no reason to pray when
you tap in to the presence of God when
you begin to praise and worship there's
a whole new level of glory that's never
left even though it feels far away it
feels like man I wish I could be the
person I was years ago
the naive Christian or whatever like the
anointing and everything still there
it's never left this even gotten
stronger have you can you talk about
that yeah what does has happened with me
is that I found now the process of life
that I've walked through and the
challenges that I've faced what it did
is that it made me a more mature
individual because it matured me
emotionally even intellectually I found
without the grace of the capacity always
had that simpler being a lot and so once
with that being unlocked then it flows
in a much more notable and tangible
fashion where that is not preaching
teaching that is and I don't think I
don't think I quite like what the
anointing increases I just think what is
it already have which already have that
begins to flow and a greater fashion
because because you know as a child as a
child of a certain measure potentially
for certain things to grow the capacity
to mature into adults who can be this
strong individual strong man the strong
woman with these muscles and all of this
all of this capacity for movement but it
takes time and process for that to occur
and so the process of process of
maturing me as an individual just lands
that what I already possess more
forthright with it I'm a better steward
of it and it flows more more
courageously and powerfully and so I
think that's what it is that I found
began to happen
and you and you also take you take
greatest each a greater sense of
responsibility for who does the job
which you possess because you even do
not enough life situations or
circumstances that have a way of making
you all
you own the reality which you believe
what it is that you carry how it is such
a function in the earth and you have no
need no need to back down from it I feel
like it gives you a natural empathy you
don't have to act like you care like I
always talk about how like the Lord told
taught me how like not the gossip about
people because I know what it feels like
to have like congregations gossiping
about me or the pastor to do a sermon
about me to tell people to stay away
like guys are in the congregation oh
yeah oh yeah and just say little sly way
stuff where you got to get up and walk
out and you know that kind of stuff and
they they knew what they were doing and
stuff you know you know but it's a
natural empathy though like you really
care for people who are going through it
you know you really do you develop
empathy as well as you only suffered a
greater level a greater sense of
authenticity because you we got more
grounded grounded in yourself because it
costs you just to be you there's a
measure of sacrifice and a measure of
payment that you have to give to all the
reality food is that you want to live
we're in respects to that when it is
that is not necessarily something that
others celebrate or that they affirm
invalidate as powerful and as necessary
yeah and so that's one of the things
that I've found is that in my life
journey that when I walked through
because I refused to back down just for
being myself and for how IC thinks that
there are some things I don't do to
other people at the same time it makes
you a greater sent a greater person the
whole truth for what is that you're
truly thinking how you see people how
you see things and you don't pologize
for it because you mean what you met
you've said what you say I show people I
don't know that's one of the things
about me I don't have I don't have a
toleration for it I mean family
functions and self perceptions of that
but in terms of lying to people that's
not something I do because it cost me
too much just to tell the truth and and
when you know something to be true and
you can call our now that you own it in
yourself and you tend to be open to
living towards that and once it is that
you begin to function in this fashion it
kind of draws even more supernatural
experiences and it opens it opens the
way it opens up to sometimes it's a
greater in calories true for journeys
and two pathways numbers one seen around
other people tend not to walk because I
found that engaging the realm of
mysticism and the realm of the unseen
requires openness and vulnerability as
of as opposed to trying to function some
religious facade yeah that stuff that
cost in a cost integrity it cost you
your life for me I have to handle it all
with integrity like there's a
sanctification process that that is
between me and the father you know what
I'm saying and like everything has to be
good like I mean a lot of different
things have to kind of add up for even
for me to even want to pursue it you
know what I'm saying like if I'm not
like walking what the scripture calls
the highway of holiness if I'm not on
that if I got hidden sin in my life I
got ulterior motives or I got you know
whatever you know stuff going on then
I'm not really doing it but I like to
kind of paint a picture between Simon
the sorcerer and uh you know Peter and
Paul and those guys when they you know
it was something you could buy with
money or something that you could learn
or whatever but what they had came
through the anointing right or through
this this life laid down that it took
them years to learn and they wanted it
he wanted it instantly and stuff and
there's there's those people who do that
just like you're talking about how
there's people who are so-called walking
in signs and wonders or if they're real
or not but the scripture says that the
the giftings and callings come without
repentance so there are people who can
you know be sleeping with
many members in the congregation and
still they have this charisma about them
to move crowds and they know how to hype
the hype it up they know what songs to
play whatever the case is and it may
gives you the illusion and they create
an atmosphere for people right for
people to experience God the
supernatural or whatever but for me I
really do feel like in that working with
the good side that you it doesn't go
together like I think that those people
are void of those experiences like
personally in their own prayer time
maybe they don't even do that anymore
something that they learn but for me
there's like integrity love and faith is
the fuel for anything any spiritual
encounter for me absolutely absolutely
what happens you find out is that these
individuals that they're function in a
way that's disingenuous rate is that
they're not connected with what is a
truly out presenting Prasad to the
people what ten seven is that on a deep
level emotionally they become very toxic
they get indigent addictive behaviors to
feed their soul and they have to do
different things that can attempt to
mitigate the the overwhelming conviction
and disconnect between public pressure
and performance and the reality of food
is that they are personally I'll tell
you an example there is a well-known and
presently well-known young millennial is
not as a prophet excuse me for the huge
following in the USA he's known for not
campuses now he's known for whites no
black skinny clothes and dude he's
charismatic as hell and I eat about yeah
and it looks like he looks like Michael
Westbrook that my coolest basketball for
Michael the basketball player in the
face yeah
you see what is right now not hair or
anything I'm not thinking the same guy
his his swag is off the tears deck in
the face and I knew them actually before
I said I had them that my country years
ago and I remember my friends were
telling me how this same individual has
had to go through I had to go had you
had to go into psych a psychiatric
hospital but to get care just because of
the stress of what is the date what it
is I've been now had gained and gained
in terms of influence and summer cloud
of pressure
yeah but holidays that they were
function was a necessarily in deep
connection who deserve a I was an
individual because I saw their nature
and temperament changed so much over the
air so it shocked me and so publicly
they known as very nice just a caddy
type of person but privately privately
down to their soul and it kinda comes on
at their preaching and teaching style
now whatever but my point is that there
is a real price that you pay trying to
function in the supernatural when it is
disconnected from the reality of a
healthy heart and a healthy soul and you
do it for you do what you do that the
expense of platform and influence and
increase clout yeah lose the beauty of
it and it becomes hollow there's that a
lot of people can can get there I'll and
we see a lot of people get there not
everybody can maintain it that's the
hard part getting there what I say your
your giftings and abilities and stuff
can take you places that your characters
agenda and we see that happening like
and it's hard it's hard you know what
I'm saying it but it's it it it's it
comes from a place of being so powerful
and so anointed and charismatic or
whatever you want to call it or even
just a through Christ right like the
legit the legit form not even all my
coming up through manipulation but the
legit form of it you can walk in it but
you have to be so powerful in the spirit
again a prophet who can make it rain up
who can open up portals pull out pull
things in and out whatever but you got
to be broken it comes from being broken
and that's one thing that I love about
Benny in especially right now he is
listening to him cry cry on the pulpit
and and sob and you know want to have a
happy ending and you know what I'm
saying and just knowing he wants to he
really wants to hear well done my good
and faithful servant and showing you
what he's did wrong and like hey look we
I you know I was teaching wrong and I've
I'm convicted and I don't want to grieve
the Holy Spirit and I don't want him to
be mad at me you know what I'm saying
and like that's a place that we have to
stay in and whether he stayed there what
everybody's there now and so that's
something you got hung honor and respect
man from like I just wish it done a
whole lot earlier when during the height
of his career but I guess yeah I think
Aaron is a real secret I think a lot
people don't embrace something having
healthy relationships of people who love
you outside of the context of what you
can do having people who really truly do
celebrate you as an individual yeah and
valuing relationship with you one of the
things about nice are nice to have
friends who who have are increasing in
terms of their platforms and espressos
even more so than me but when we get
together we have the most horrible area
so like even a chance to be clown I mean
laughs even some of the things that we
do like come together what happens is
that we don't we don't do some diseases
and even though Jesus made sure that he
did have we don't have people around us
who can touch us who care for us and who
can be our friend who can be there for
us not not people who are enamored with
your social platform with with with how
much influence that you possess you know
any people around you who you can farm
around you need people who
could be around you when you smell
sweaty and you don't look cute and you
have the preacher voice everybody though
should you should you like like tear
down that wall with everybody and it's
some debate about that you know and
people have different opinions like
great I'm of the view that I think the
levels of intimacy and engagement based
upon people's that's why it's first of
all you should you should wait till you
get things to try to build this type of
stuff you are along them along life's
journey you should be building healthy
relationships and those dynamics change
I'm guessing your spouse oh your wife
your girlfriend she should be she's
probably holed out closer more intimate
with you that perhaps me of somebody
else though their levels of connection
and I think I think that first of all
that there should be a personal space
just for you and the divine supernatural
where no one else exists but I also
think that I think that you should be
willing and open to connecting and
engaging people who see you above and
beyond what is that you do and who and
get this who will still be with you
whether or not you have a platform yeah
no that's not where they're not too
successful whether or not you whether or
not you consider you wanna do this for
the rest of your life I have people who
could genuinely love me to such a degree
that if I decided I'm done with this
they saw my friends yeah they still care
about me I'm still with them because
because because what should happen is
that we should be building relationships
that and that with people that we love
and that we care about above and beyond
their performance yeah and their career
their ministry platforms and all this
other crazy stuff you know and when you
leave those people you keep them around
it's okay if you don't agree in some of
theological and you don't always
function the same way because you know
what one of the people that I love like
necessary Carlton pair so many
subtleties on the gospel of inclusion oh
yeah I still love the fact that when
when you go through this is a magnet
it's called Restless retrograde oh
Christ
child's play this huge megachurch you
still see you still see culprit
accountant peso sitting in the front row
because Simon is senior leader of that
organization are tremendous friends we
are completely different places in terms
of way of thinking about something but
but that's not that's not that's not the
crux of our relationship we just love
each other because all this other stuff
comes and goes now with debts that's
kind of new to me you know I'm saying I
say new it's several years now but for
the most part it was like oh you oh you
play the piano
okay yeah we need a piano play are you
saying oh my god have you heard have you
seen him play the guitar
oh my god he can move a crowd you know
I'm saying in a putting you in the
church round they they put you somewhere
and then once you stop doing it hey the
Lord just put on my heart I'm not really
going to be playing any music right it's
just what I do yeah exactly you know it
Lord I'm just
you don't doing it but you don't have
anything to offer you you you go get
back in the crowd now you're just
another face in the crowd because you
don't have anything to offer them
anymore whether your literature or your
Christian rapper like I was an
evangelist and stuff and like you have I
had so many people who would invite me
out to their church and I mean we'd even
like I mean we it was it felt it felt
closer like I would be on the front what
really blew me when I went through my
stuff was the fact that like some of
these people that were invited me out
took from ministry and we'd be on the
phone talking and we would go to hang up
and I remember the first time this
happened we're gonna be talking to him
on the phone as like my brother all
right man well uh I Love You Man and you
know they said that so for you you have
to return okay man I was like oh man I
love you too
you got to tell another man that and
then like to really mean it buddy yeah I
love that brother that's that's one of
that's one of us you know what I'm
saying and he's put his neck out there
for me and we're you know would do
anything and we're working it with a
family and then once you kind of that
whole ministry and I'm not a minister
anymore at least what they would call a
minister and then you don't get any more
phone calls I was like I thought you
said you love me dude that's how you
treat the people you love
how do you treat your enemies man oh my
god but you love but you find out like
like Christendom in church culture like
that's just crossed the board and you
don't find that out until you've kind of
been in and then been pulled out and you
said oh we don't yeah you're you're done
it what really got me and opened my eyes
was the fact that we were all like
gung-ho about ministry and outreach we
want to convert people we need new
converts and we go into the hood we go
into the ghettos and we play music and
we'd wrap and we try to convert people
and bring them to church and all that
stuff so we were always looking for new
people to convert and to bring in but we
didn't give a damn about the people who
were bleeding who were beside us and
like Christianity is like the one
religion man that kills its wounded are
you leavin bro the wolves are comes just
kill him and get a new one oh we got
these new kids Manica hold on what about
the people we already got we need to
take care of and help them get through
their you know and come on first of
all that that's not real conversion what
you're talkin about
that's that's that's that's like bad
sales and marketing it's manipulation
and it's manipulation a lot of times
because we're talking about the ghetto
stuff like going into the hood and Kyrie
what we call outreach it's here so
here's why I find manipulative because
when I when I look into the New
Testament in the book of Acts you didn't
see you don't see what we call it man
jalisa
now you do seem Angelus make over the
territory and preach or whatnot but the
folks of the church was not evangelism
it was about community it is one thing
to go into space to preach a bunch of
people and then it is that you know you
don't take the time to engage them to
develop them and true it's another thing
you don't care like play deep you don't
care you know the number yes I don't
care really you don't care you never
know they're not a real disciples you do
find some of those people who care
though there's some of those people out
there right a lot of times I think it's
it's this whole hell brimstone and fire
because your figures are the world's
gonna end tomorrow so we need to get as
much people in
and we don't necessarily have to go
through the real process of developing
and disciple and knowing and engaging
and empowering and relating and doing
life for these individuals because to me
being a follower of Jesus Christ that's
an entire that's an entire different way
of operation of thinking of philosophy
but with a whole different future and it
radically changes someone's life and fun
for you too and I think it's unfair for
us to show up in people's people's lives
and say that really made us change
tonight and you didn't do this - tonight
on that you're not willing to want to
walk with these people want to stay with
these people
don't don't want to get into the best
stuff engage engage with these four you
know people say well I'm not new
bachelors well it'd just be honest
I'll give it there they don't care our
views like to an extent you know I think
for sure like for example to begin the
spirit against that stuff any ban just
would do something like that they have a
grace for that I will not deny you and
I'm not against it but I think what has
to happen is that a lot of times within
within within the church we just we have
to teach people to really relate to
other individuals and that if it is that
you find somebody and they make a
decision sincerely that they want to
follow Jesus and that they want they
want to grow in this thing then you
should be willing to commit yourself to
know them to engage them to relate to
them to be with them and I have I have
several individuals I call my kids I got
older my babies I call them walk the
brass they grown adults that one of
those one of the other different lives
and on all of the stuff but from me my
purpose on being with them is for me to
to get to get to know them to engage
them to be with them in their reality
and to do my best to help them and to
have them walk upright to be strong and
to answer live amazing last because
that's but that's what is that that's
what is all about as cultural relations
about what's gonna be a superstar
yeah and you know tell us that we change
what a swell start happens that we
continue how communities filled with a
bunch of people who function with an
often mentality who don't have anyone
who don't have anyone willing to breathe
in their space and idea and in their
face to engage them to have them working
the realities of life and I think what
sucks is that most of us have each other
the truth that is being one of the
things that we lacked because what have
been your journey while it was that your
mind was shifting in terms of
spirituality all to the stuff but you
legitimate ly still had some great men
and women and of God who may be in
church these women who say okay I don't
know where you go with this but we love
you too much to let you go when you
don't know and whatever you think you
still manageress and you should always
have a space in place with us
and we're listening to you we're talking
with you you make whatever decision you
want to make I'm with you I'm with you I
don't have to be on your podcast on this
table with you as a person it makes for
a different type of experience and
different faiths because I think that's
what we do so many people just because
of the fact that not that they disagree
with us but the fact that we just suck
somebody just because we didn't choose
the way that we may have chosen and they
don't see how it is that we see it yeah
you know it's about doing life doing
life with the person right and that
takes time that takes the energy or it
takes effort and you talk about like
having those people in your life that
you you can be open you could be honest
with and be being genuine and authentic
with I think that should be everybody
like we should be open like there's just
weird somebody posted a status in
there's like some church members wanted
to come to this Apostles house or
whatever and he said no you can't let
the people get too close to you because
then they'll see you as another as
importantly you yeah they'll get for you
I know right but there's a weird truth
to that but it's like I think we need to
destroy the
we're truth that's there because it's
not right like you just said you is
ordinary like you know what I'm saying
have you I've felt that in the past or
whatever even if it's maybe in my head
but you kind of build yourself up not
either you do it or the people do it by
proxy because you have a platform and
you have followers or whatever and they
or you're a spiritual person like Benny
Han like I would you know to see Benny
Hinn Benny Hinn and Steve Rock smoking
the hookah
you know what I'm saying and Perry stone
like I seen that video like that like oh
my god that wasn't real that was CGI
you know to see that these guys are
regular people who tell jokes who play
pranks on one another like that that
kills the magic for a lot of people you
know what I'm saying because they have
you built up on this whether it's a
spare me god demigod ideology that we
have to be helped to make you more than
human because we cannot begin at seeing
you being as normal as us because God
doesn't use people like us clearly you
he uses people like you and it's a sad
fact and one of the things I always do
is that if I mentor someone if I take
time to invest of the people I make sure
they get to know me I doesn't mean that
I tell them any and everything about me
I think that's stupid but I but I think
it's important that not only touchable
are reachable but that we understand
that faith is incarnation of its
incarnation of theology it's it's a fact
that God came and dwelt among us and
that if every children of God it has it
possible for people to come and dwell
among us so you know I don't know what
do we call the he prophet of us alexia
legs that's who I am the gift of the
grace of my life works which with or
without a pallet doesn't matter to me
furthermore furthermore get to know me
should shouldn't shouldn't the reason
that may cause you to lose respect is
because you have a false sense of what
I'm supposed to be doing and I should be
living or the simple fact remains is
that I show myself to be a person that
doesn't live in a respectable fashion
otherwise because rid of a respectable
fashion you should be okay with people
getting to know you and you should want
those who were specially those in labor
with you
spent a lot of who work with you they
should be able to have the best
testimony about you and what's pathetic
is that I've found a lot of times people
were closest those Christian leaders
their testimony of them is that they're
hard I know I'm not good I remember the
first time I heard that now this was
probably man I want to say 2003 2004 in
that at that area but it was when why
need a Bynum was the big thing and I
really really enjoyed her stuff and I
had a buddy of mine who was the
cameraman for TBM and he would and he
had to film her and she's all boss and
people around getting me a water do this
to dangle and the cameras were cut on
hello everyone the word of god is coming
to you and the cameras were calling
she's bossing people around and cussing
people's he was telling me that and I
had cognitive dissidence because I
watched her with TD jakes I watched her
her teaching I watched her cry and pray
for people like there's no way that that
can go together so I had cognitive
decide no way it's not the same person
you're talking about someone else you
know but really she's a regular woman
who you know has a bad day nasty
attitude
I couldn't believe but it was the first
time it was like okay it makes you but
you know because we have a oneness just
fake pedestal mate because it's TV and
they got makeup on and you know and it's
filmed edited me fall believe the
deception that automatically these were
are great people I love I love Christian
leaders well demands especially the ones
who may have a lot of a big name or not
another variety or genuinely are still
kind people because I think especially
as pressure increases and opportunities
and the force increases it has the
opportunity to really expose a magnified
who is that you really are at the core
and there have been times a new admin
leaders
who have I guess I given one example I
used to go to El Rey assumes gamma
Maldonado big thing in Spanish community
now Babbage's he had a bit of a short
few sometimes but one of the things that
I liked about him is that he's that one
of the reasons people loved him and love
that church and even if I didn't agree
with a lot of things that he taught he
was he was just the coolest guy to walk
up to like walk into the church and you
know was very big I'm in the Bahamas
you need to come you need to stay here
don't go back home you need to stay here
just genuinely just a great guy and just
I'll just genuine and sincere like that
it's refreshing because it's nice to see
people who have great influence and have
a lot of clout who are still what still
touch upon tangible and who are still
you know just good people because
because that's because this but you
should be like especially if you have
this level on floors we shouldn't be
elevating Europe it is such a nasty a
narcissistic yeah
and it's something that the lights kind
of blind people from because they don't
get to see that but I'm like I feel like
we need to always let them see you man I
think there's something attractive I
think there's something a beauty and and
the truth and even a power in just being
authentic right being up myself
in walks you and say hey and you say hey
well not just that because I get so many
of those that if I don't say hey back
then I am you know I'm a snob
just just somebody who can swim oh thank
you oh no I try to I try to answer to
all I thought I answer all emails and
messages and things like that but what
is the fact that if you don't then you
are a snob or you don't really is not a
fair assessment but but it's still it's
still cool sometimes when it is that you
see individuals who even if they had
like speaking engagements because you
get a lot of preach after that finish
preaching
I'm how it is that they act to watch
people and before and after I've seen
with the Divas who don't want to talk to
anybody but one gentleman I came to the
Bahamas one time and I think I sang I
sang in the music or music team for that
night and he says a lot into the back
and he only comes on at a certain point
comes up does what he has to do don't
touch him already he's done he walks
right out of the out of the out of that
space and goes straight back into his
room because he was a standard someone
of the anointing I'm gonna need you to
break it down and ain't that serious
it's okay I know I've seen some of that
where it's the you not supposed to touch
him I'm even Kevin gates is really weird
I don't know if you know Kevin gates
he's so funny like people touching him
he's wiping me you know wipers arm he's
he's Muslim kind of like Muslim
Christian type it's silly but there's a
lot of that I mean I've seen little
bitty churches like go on those weird
ego power trips to where the pastor's
reading in his study hall and there's
two dudes with guns at the at the door
and I want to shake his hand because
they had me to come out to speak and
after service he's in the study he's
reading he's studying and reading the
Word of God and they wouldn't let me in
and they was like standing there by and
this is probably a church of 30 people
this isn't 30,000 like you know I'm
gonna okay all right I'll see you guys
later
what about the ministers don't bro and
what happens is that you know because
they didn't create a culture that over
time the
it's but it's normal the people in
positions of influence and power to be
tangible and touch something that's why
you don't see throughout the entire
community because they don't they don't
increase it and so they so they build
they build spaces ready set now they're
secondary Terra leaders are prima donnas
I feel something they're better than
other people don't aren't reachable you
can engage them you can't talk to them
if it's sad and it's pathetic but what
happens that people eventually leave and
I think what I'm saying occurring here
within the church today
is that I love enough Flair and our
attention towards the special marks my
generation that is really decreasing
because we're not interested in we're
not interested in the games and rina
rina given towards the pretense and all
of this extra stuff because you want you
want you want to follow somebody and you
want you want to learn from someone was
tangible who's reachable who isn't
perfect but what what it should be like
to want to follow Jesus or what it
should be like to want to engage engage
in the divine work I think I think
that's what we're looking for and when
we find that those are the people that
we that we could relate to as opposed
individuals who are simply great for the
soundbite on who was simply you know
Church sexy yeah I mean
it's weird though right because you
don't see it there's a disconnect with
this you know putting people on these
pedestals and we've only seen one side
of them and then when we see some people
when they see the other side they're
shocked there there's sustain this
notion to tell you don't meet the people
that you look up to don't meet your
idols because you're gonna be let down
and you probably gonna start like
there's a lot of truth to that like I
met people that I put up on pedestals
even when I started getting into the
spiritual movement right I got in a
spiritual hip-hop and I'm listening to
some of these artists and they're
breaking down astral travel they're
breaking down and they're doing it in
their music it's telling you how to
ascend to the seventh heavens and how to
communicate with the angelic beings and
Elohim and taking ayahuasca and journey
into the
and I mean they're on this crazy far-out
beautiful stuff that I was reading and
I'm trying to embody like I'm reading
books about this and then they're
rapping about it
and I got the chance to meet them in
their filthy language they're cursing
all the time and they don't even they
don't even do any of that stuff like I
would even ask them questions like hey
man like when you meditate like what
what is it that you see like what is it
what are some of the experiences I don't
meditate like but you got a whole album
about how you meditate in the sand and
I'm like so for me like it was a bunch
of other guys like that and I was like
oh wow a buzzkill because I had in my
mind this is music we study that stuff
but we don't really you know not really
we don't really branch and it was a
bunch of them that I was like oh my god
I wish I wouldn't have met you now I
can't listen to your music to say you
know not the fact that you don't you're
not you know who you say you are guess
there's and you know there's a
entertainment value to it or fantasy
value or something like that but again
like there's a lot of people and I feel
like that too sometimes many people meet
me and they're like oh man I thought you
were gonna pray with me I thought we
were gonna meditate now we finna lay on
the couch and watch Netflix like we're
not do another we're gonna have a couple
of beers we're hanging out where I'm a
regular person but just a weird
dichotomy that I think being authentic
and having this conversation and putting
yourself out there is the fact that I'm
both of those people you know what I'm
saying I like to meditate I like this is
one of the reasons I like my video games
and all that kind of stuff as well you
know and that's just a spiritual this is
one of the reasons why you will see me
even like whether some social media or
when individuals meet me they the
expectation of me especially in-person
them engaging and singing to the public
usually shocks them by the time I take
the microphone and they see this type of
shift because of the fact that I'm
intentional about getting letting people
like me getting opportunity to meet me
what I'm like how I think how I function
and then if you can American happens not
better
then you could deal with the rest of me
then it is that I'll expose you to with
some of these deeper things that I hold
on through these conditions revelation
all of that other great stuff I want you
to get to know me and I'm finally
refreshing and and if you like me and if
you can engage me then it is I think you
should be in my platform then it is I
want to be on your platform because you
know 99 beside what we do isn't in front
of the masses doing real life so people
should want it you should want people to
know you and then they get too sad for
then when it with such a powerful
supporter then they say okay then it is
that we want you to teach us you know
that's why I love with Jesus you the
rent they made him they just follow him
and they spend time with him and then is
that the eyes were exposed okay exposed
by the each one it was a son of God yeah
we avoid people getting too close to us
and getting to know us and we're not
intentional a lot of times laying out
how I said we think - right even in my
page a lot of times my friends let me
say you can't be doing this you know you
you're preaching the gospel in the
national speak and you cannot - I'm like
look this is what I am yeah 24/7 I want
a glass of wine I love Chinese food and
Dunkin Donuts I'm a bunch of foolishness
I'm a clown I'm going I'm gonna crack up
and everything is that because to me
that those those are parts of myself
that I'm not willing to trade away to
live up to this facade that people want
to hold
I'm not your fantasy let's let you meet
the real me and let you decide for men
on how does it return a function
I recently gained and of someone that
mean when they possibly become a more
deeper relational dynamic and they want
to come by my apartment just to meet my
person we were talking on are we just
chilling and I said my problem is
horrible right now they said good
finally I get a say well exactly what
you're like and let's let's have real
engagement
what is that we as individuals because
at some point we have to pop we have to
put aside the pretense and we have to
allow people the opportunity to gather
know the robust from that place then it
is that they should have respect
ah spirituality my other great something
I'm with the man I'm with it and those
are the ones who really they're really
there you know but they you know they
could get they can get both man they can
get this work and they can get you know
we can do spiritual stuff together like
it's just you know people just be around
you especially to like like especially
like being on the internet and stuff and
doing a podcast and I you do so much
spiritual stuff and studies like I want
friends to hang out with so like when it
comes to like meeting some people in the
community like I just want to hang out
man I don't even want to you know but
like people think they're gonna meet you
and you're gonna talk about you know all
this deep spiritual stuff and aliens or
whatever the case you're gonna talk
about all kind of I only want to talk
about this stuff like when I talk about
it I talk about in such a clown type of
fashion and so such a sacrilegious swing
and just whatever because because these
aren't these are just still Malaysian
but you still believe you make fun of
the stuff that even you believe in right
I'd be the same well that bash them the
most you leave people dump out a hold on
how are you how you bashing the
armour-bearer when you got to armor
bearers under you this craziness you
know I'd be talking about you know how
it is and how it is that they treat our
brains like church slaves all this stuff
and then I'll also talk about the fact
that when I met the richest person
speaking engagement and babies antigens
and a big old Jeep set aside for me and
I was too happy that when I came back to
NASA I was looking I said well my
adjutant any I need somebody to pick me
up and show for me around like because
for me I think I think a lot of great
things that I've seen in spiritual
movements within a church Christian
Church I just think sometimes we take
stuff and we and we take it to fun it
becomes messed up and manipulative and
so I clown at the foolishness but I'll
but I won't throw where the baby with
yeah there was a I did a uh I have this
character that I do and I embarrass you
can't we can like some of them if they
grew up in tears could but not even grew
up in church like it's cows man its
charismatic like so like the
armour-bearer from what I've seen yeah I
know you had know a lot more but because
I've only seen a couple but they a lot
of times they are the triggerman a lot
of times they'll hold guns in it kind of
they're like the pastor's bodyguard if
you will they let's see they they it
kind of goes back to carrying the armor
for someone like you know and going into
battle for King David or whatever but in
the churches I've seen they'll they have
these specific roles that they do you
have to walk the pastor's wife to and
from the platform so and you sit next to
the pastor you're like his right-hand
man get in the water get them to water
make sure that they have water the Bible
yeah and uh I'm sure there's a lot of
other weird stuff but that was mainly
your like his right-hand man like you're
always seeing with him and the first an
intercessor you pray for them you cover
the man of the woman of God the man of
God man yeah I had to skip that I did
because I was a character as a character
that I made called brother Wayne okay
and he's like a southern a Hellfire
brimstone preacher and and I did a skit
I would just do these rants what I would
get into character and record it and and
one was about an armor bearer position
that we're opening up in the church and
we're looking for candidates and it's
like we can't pay you we ain't got the
money we can't pay you but we'll pick
you up and bring you to church I want to
tell you one thing if you're gonna be an
armor bearer you're gonna be the bearer
of bad news I'm gonna need you to go
tell the bass player to turn down he
turns up too loud I need you to tell
them that I turn it down him I need you
to get the pastors water because
there'll be parts to when the pastor's
parts is your job to break up the water
you to go after after every Serb and
he's you go under the pews and I need
you to get the gum from under the pews
and easy clean up my old a gum I need
you to walk the children to children's
church and back
I need you to do all this and we can't
pay you but the work but God will reward
you
he got a good he'll pay yeah he could
pay you better than I can I tell you
that word of God it's a little bit
different where you could see me but
people thought that that was a real
person it can't do that voice and uh but
the armour-bearer thing is it's
hilarious it is I grew up in church and
and I've seen the honor you know
assisted like my friends who had to
preach and different things like that
and it's been really cool to work with
them and what they were doing and we
just did it cuz it was hilarious it was
just funny to do a special summer circle
somewhere and we don't take those things
seriously like we were secretly cracking
up because we don't know how to play the
roles and how to actually how it is that
the other folk because I thought was
such a spiritual thing to do and it's
just funny and I know I know there's
literally and they're all academies and
training in person like I guess you
become certified in terms of in terms of
in terms of in terms of the agency of
doing the work of an armor bearer and
you know just good hospitality success
and they'll finally type of scripture to
the support these toxic ways of doing
star yeah everything's off at a pastor
and it's not on you and you got it
almost like a maybe even like the
whipping you the hush-hush guys so you
know who the power of the scene it is
sleeping with and I'm there of the
having dear bound or fairs and stuff
like that is your job to cover the mana
guy Oh have you uh have you seen you
know Marjoe Gortner is no I'm
young preacher there's some videos on
YouTube he was a baby preacher he was
like a child preacher like three four
years old he he let his first wedding at
four years old and uh who's knocking
like the 70s and 60s and 70s and he was
a big name and he traveled around and
they let him preach and they would do
tent revivals and he was a little little
baby they let him preach and back in the
day was big but you haven't seen that
documentary
okay it will see the guy I think I think
and it was kind of black and white it
was chemical firmware with him with a
shirtless son with all the money around
him at the bed and yeah that's him yeah
yeah we got I've seen that online and it
eventually bought the DVD the whole DVD
and watch the whole thing you can get it
but yeah that was an interesting one
just to show you that again the giftings
and calling her without repentance it
was an honorable thing what he did to
make that documentary though because I
was like his last hoorah and he's like I
want to show you what these pastors do
and I'm done with this I just don't feel
right about it it's all I know to do my
parents trained me in this I tried to go
work a construction job I can't do it
I'm not cut out for that
I'm an entertainer this is what I do so
he left that and showed you behind the
scenes he's smoking cigarettes smoking
weed tell you how he bi approaches women
on the airplane to sleep with in every
city that he goes to and he gave you
these like well you can't you got to
make sure it's not a member from the
church because I'll tell on you got to
find somebody who ain't who ain't going
to the event you know and he had all
this stuff laid out man it was very
interesting but um you know you know I'm
saying he could still move a crowd and
people are still trembling under the
anointing and crying God I have my beat
my bachelor's degrees and management and
more courses and further my education
because when a preaching I want to do
this for the rest of my life but I won't
do it because I believe and I believe
what I'm sharing that because I am
dependent upon an audience to get my
lights on because a lot of times that
pressure is my pressures what pushes
people and to perform in a way that's
disingenuous and that that is
disconnected for what they truly believe
and that's when they become becomes less
manipulative because I've seen since era
individuals who over time because of the
fact that they became they became
leaders of local assemblies or they
gained fame you know when talk about
increase they have to behave in a
certain way and it's sad I did me not
even really believe it or he didn't
believe it yeah but that was his job he
didn't know what to do his parents
raised him in there like that's kind of
war you know I've had friends I've had
friends who who left high school and
when I put full time into ministry and I
know one young man who now he is living
abroad with his husband but he was known
as a prophet in the city I lived and
worked full time in his church and those
those damn people nearly drove him crazy
but I'm sorry and he gave him so many
years of his youth and that now he's
just trying to I guess kind of rebuild
his life and find his way forward find
finding his way forward and to do things
better just for himself and he didn't SM
do that now but the rishis doing it now
is because his sacrifice near being
sincere but it was nine years and
someone took advantage and they take
years of their life which is one of the
reasons why I speak it against a lot of
manipulation coercion because people
people sincerely buy into this stuff and
buying into the position themselves up
to being taken advantage of to be
controlled and to be and have their
lives destroyed by someone else who who
took advantage of their sincere a
passion and ambition yeah my we got a
comment here from the flying penguins he
says their identity is often often is
what they do in how they perform instead
of in Christ you known for for something
and you anytime you bring change though
you know people expect a certain thing
and you switch it up on them you know
but I think that if like that I think
there's a safety there with being
authentic
if he was to come out of the Jump Street
maybe start something else maybe you
know some other maybe started another
religion or spiritual practice he would
say hey this is what I do I like to drop
acid I don't really like to put on shows
or whatever he you know left all of that
didn't believe any more and became an
actor he wanted to and he loved
entertaining people like he loved
putting on a show but it's like hold on
this is uh I'm not I'm not authentic I'm
not who you guys think I am but so again
again like I don't want nobody to think
I'm something that I'm not right I want
to I want you to know like what you see
is what you get you know what I'm saying
and uh and not be you know one I say one
way one day and one day another but
there's this you know it kind of comes
with the territory though what's it like
you know and I got to do everything in
20 24 hour window or everything that I
think we enjoy or whatever the case is
but just like if you're in the light man
you they can't like the enemy has
nothing against you so holy you didn't
know that I talk freely about that
that's you you didn't know about that I
I'm open
you didn't know exactly that you know me
hiding it no I'm just listen what you
want to you know where you don't agree
with and the weird thing is again it
because that's people are drawn to that
how vulnerable you are and in their the
reason they are because in religion you
can't be that you have to wear them you
have to live up to these ideas that are
inconsistent with who it is that you are
because we built a platform of the
creative space wherein there is not a
respect for the truth there's there's
really more so a commitment to one man's
ideas rather than the diversity that
commits should come about as a result of
having different people who on different
journeys with God are trying to find
their way and so what happens is but
what happened what happens is that you
never said you have just set it up in
such a way that people can feel okay
with that's one of the things we know
about cheese
you know you you can say exactly what
she thought I mean Peter felt as if he
can walk up Jesus oh you're not you're
not going
he was like warning he wanted them to
cuz nobody else would is a man who do
you who do you say that I am like what
do people say about me like let be open
man don't hold it back what I'm gonna do
we love you Lord you know yeah and so
and so this will be so this obesity is
for science to really work and so and it
makes for poor life it makes upon many
sure makes of course spiritual journeys
and horrible relationships do you still
have that for people though because if
for me even still though it like it
kills the magic it's a fake magic right
it's not real it's a facade but again
the whole Benny Han or anybody you look
up as being really spiritual know I mean
maybe there's levels of integrity you
know what I'm saying I don't think you
can compromise integrity but but just
being a human is you know I've spent
some from my childhood I was surrounded
by like influential individuals within
the Christian community for my childhood
and they would stay with my
grandmother's house when they would come
to the island and when I became a
teenager lived in Nassau I was still
surrounded by a lot of influential
people so that's how it's always been
for me so I really don't walk around
with walls and expectations and the
people that you'll even see me praise
and speak well about it is because I
have such a love for their humanity I am
so appreciative the hours of individual
I Howard so they seek to function in the
reality of everyday life that does
something for me and it for me it
authenticates the reality of their
spirituality what it is with their
preaching and teaching because I know
that it's it's connected to who it is at
the hours of person and how it is that
they function and so because I say that
connects to them it as I can trust them
and so I'm saying major major
individuals you know what am i a
preacher who I really really I start
over to some degree but by dr. sandy
Trent
there's a video I actually posted years
ago as mother to many followers she
literally prays in a building
and about like 7,000 people just drop
like literally I guess empty right now
and I didn't just drop that they added
some graphics to it with some glittery
stuff but but literally they just they
literally just drop and so you know
there's it's kind of hard to make some
things up how it is that you can out is
that you get that many people to just do
stuff like that you know it is possible
but our being a gathering so people like
her who when you walk past them there is
without Reuven attendee Fred there is
this there is this a feel real presence
is tangible tangible or that they carry
that myths almost electric and it's
nothing that is Klan doors for sad but
when I celebrate more about anything
else about them is when I can hear
people who work with them who speak well
of them as an individual who said - this
person is hilarious that they're really
kind at that they have fun I remember
when one of the things I enjoyed was
when a friend of mine told me that she
says this is rocket room likes cocktails
so when she goes to hotels one of the
first things she will do is a should go
to the bar I should get herself a
cocktail this is a later priest of a
thousand for thousands of people just
like I appreciate that I appreciate that
I have I have I know I have a mentor who
and it's recorded ridiculous whole
September 11th situation who has who
spoke about a lot of these a lot of
things that occur before they actually
happen and I think they still even have
that stuff for the record with her but
she is the funniest person in the world
like legitimately when we talk we are
talking about the things that you've
spoken of her to we just talk we talk
about the realities of everyday life
that she's dealing with a specialist a
middle-aged woman
and if you want if you want to get in
turn onto some of these things she's
more than open but it's integrated into
the reality for she is and I think those
are the time to create embrace people
who are normal and still you can see
that
what it is that they preach and teach
and what is that they speak about its
integrated how they live their lives
because that makes them trustworthy yeah
yeah that's good man
I'm with the integrity relationships
doing just doing life together really
absolutely you can find out I think
flying penguin uh kind of grease with
you you say that that's a great test to
see the way they treat their servers the
people who work for them what did they
know you bought them you know employees
you know not in a bad way but I'm
sarcastic and that I'm a clown and that
I care for people that I will follow up
with there how you doing so Sally just
told us that you are because you do not
don't believe the hype about you because
God doesn't and the worst thing is fun
fun love the people's perceptions of you
as opposed to embracing the truth of who
it is that you are right here at the end
man this uh I want to talk to ask you
about any of your angelic or
supernatural encounters as well well
and then you talked about the spirit
realm and you mentioned two other beings
right that's what I'm talking about in
this book a lot of the others I get to
talk about Tulpas and shadows people in
elements well think the book is like
like books oh yes I mean I kind of cover
it's an overview book lasting to rid
oneself of spirits and it talks about
the spiritual implications but it gives
into like the physical implications or
whatever of fasting and gorging on meats
and foods and stuff I mean I they cover
a lot but a lot of different things and
I show you biblical examples for a lot
of this stuff like that we never heard
about ghosts and spirits and mists and
you know elementals like all that kind
of stuff like mentioned up in the Bible
communing with the dead mentioned of in
the Bible like in a good way like you
know that Jesus did it and stuff like
crazy out of this stuff that's not
normal maybe it's becoming more normal
as we talk about it I feel like it's
divine revelation
but the more I hang out on the internet
I see other people vocalizing stuff that
I kind of stepped out in divination you
know stuff like that in the Bible
other people are being vocal about it
kind of uh together which is really
really cool so for you man
and this is out there's a lot of dreams
and visions and moving and chills and a
lot of stuff so you can yeah and I know
we might've even mentioned this when we
were Calvin that night before we went
live but we're talking about like people
who had that real power like and I say
that's the real power the supernatural
and all that stuff's good right but when
something crosses over that's what I
want to know about man have you ever had
an entity where you could see him and
other people could see him not just you
cuz I got friends no man see angels in
here bro you know I have those guys but
as I hold on I want to see them to tell
them to make an apparition you know
saying like we got this angels over you
there's glory on you I see it I hold on
mocking we all see it you know we hear
about these signs and wonders of angel
feathers or rubies of falling out of the
sky and woman has any of that stuff ever
crossed over like an angel stepped into
the reality a demon manifest and run
down the hallway like any of that kind
of stuff man
like we every would sell out or
something now what would I have seen
pretty much actually I I think when I
was a kid and when I was younger
probably before I've really got into my
teen years those are the times when
personally I would have a lot of saying
I wanna play dreams and supernatural
comes that I could not explain
and I'm hearing voices I remember I'm
especially my time I would preach my
changes because one of the challenges or
being the carribean culture is that you
there is this underlying supernatural
type of energy and experiences that my
people tend to get into it's not all
good not all bad but I remembered that
what would happen with me is that I was
considered a Christian woman president
my high school and we started we were
professors with your life he wanted this
great move of God things to occur
and what we didn't realize is that I
married that being real supernatural
individuals who had who was aware of
some of the things that we were doing
the way we were praying and we were
pushing and but when you start to create
a type of climbing in a particular space
what can occur is that individuals who
are against that type of stuff they can
become aware and it draws attention and
I remembered that I remember what began
to happen is that me and the young lady
who was my vice president we would
literally not be able to sleep some days
because we were terrorized in our drinks
and I would see all of these dark forces
running across my room and my bed would
shake it was like it was really
exhausted time I remember it and I
remembered that when I went one of the
experiences is that we were in we were
outside having a service and I saw lady
who came to where we were but she but we
were separated by a fence campus for
where she was and I'm telling a lie she
she looks up and she waits to one of the
individuals on my team there is a game
twice I understand it automatically
drops to the floor starts convulsing
convulsing in like an AFOL like cease
not not not even NAT NAT NAT NAT like
let us see sure but in full demonic
manifestation like she she she she she
is literally like a slate on the ground
and acting and behaving in that fashion
and I remembered and I thankfully my
principle was actually a real Christian
woman and the point to me she comes up
she lays her hands and as she commands
that power to leave and within a few
minutes that young lady hands right now
what began to occur with you means
though is that is that more so than
saying engaging engaging so a lot of
angelic being something that a lot of
boring dreams for me than anything else
what started to happen is I just have
this capacity in an increased capacity
to know how to speak to people to
recognize things about them that I
couldn't explain that I just knew but I
could say this about them and I enter
this day I still just get people gave
them this intelligence about what it is
an individual has the possibility of
capacity to accomplish what it was that
they were gifted at and I would tell
people things that they're only them and
God knew that they had just said to him
that morning or private conversations
that they had with their friends I tend
to do things do things along those lines
and so really my experience wasn't more
of what you'd call a sheer type of type
of reality more service and intuitive
your path the type of experience to this
day that I would go into a church
building and I won't know I really don't
tend to I tend not to know what I'm
going to say when I step into the
environment is almost upon us up by two
and two together this is what they need
to hear this is what's going on you know
this is an experience of these is pretty
late for for them to move forward so
that's our chance to work with me and as
opposed true
I posed as a postal probably lot of
dreams and encounters because I wasn't
that type of in power very much I stayed
away from them to be quite honest
because those people don't be so crazy
you have to you have it takes a lot of
discipline and you have to know how to
disciple individuals who are like that I
mean you have a lot of them in one space
it can become extra unnecessarily an
imbalance in the unhealthy fashion yeah
and so and so I dental I tend to have
stayed in environments I tend to thrive
in space is not interesting enough not
like me where I'm the Enigma and being
at those spaces I'm able to introduce
different ideas and different practices
and and be able to utilize the power of
my spirituality more so than anything
else what let me ask you this guy I got
two things I want has to burn I mean I
see this first so did you ever feel the
feeling in your body like whether it was
for healing or what the Lord was wanting
you to do oh yeah is that I mean I think
it's called its kinesthetic for me like
I will move in a certain way when I'm
walking and moving then it is
automatically I know information I
understand certain things I comprehend
what's happening in individuals life or
I will hear their voice and I'll be able
to tell them what gift things that they
have i will i will i would get near them
or or not even the conversation just yet
around them unrecognized certain things
i just i would just be able to say this
business of justice listen about you
because the fellowship that their
presence that that extends beyond the
context of orders that they were
physically that reality once I enter
into it I'm able unable to comprehend
I'm able to have discern when I'm able
to speak to what's happening with them
what's going on in their life who they
are and so that's one of the things I'm
usually healings I help I've grown a leg
out one time I'm healing 10 10 10 10
have not been my ear specialty I tell
people about my family I am screwed I
gotta go to get medication I call my
other friends moving that type of stuff
but what I have what I found was that I
have this ladies are very eloquent this
revelatory capacity and this ability to
unfold people and I just just just
pulled them and just recently I remember
I rented on the speaking engagement trip
and one of the individuals over there I
assistant I stopped her and I said hey
it such as a person available she said
sure I said like speak to one second the
old lady comes out and I'm telling her
about their conversation has had and she
is in tears it's because I'm bout doing
an affirming to her the fact that she's
not crazy but what she's thinking about
doing so that's that's that's the norm
that's normally justice the this
capacity for wisdom and for information
of wisdom especially has really been a
major thing for me yeah that's good
there was a lot of times when I was
traveling to churches the minister and
stuff there would be things that would
happen in our in my body like my heart
would start hurting I feel like I'm
having a heart attack or real pain in my
back like I get in a car we head to a
service in him I can't move my back and
on my oh lord and it's like the Lord
would like let me feel it before I got
there and I wouldn't say okay lord I
will be obedient and ask who needs this
healing in their back right and then the
pain will go away and then when I got
there so I don't want to move any
further you know when we took over the
service and and people would come forth
and there were some times where I would
be in
and we'd be in worship in congregation
and I would go death in one year and
first thing we'll have I saw rebuking
the enemy devil you let my year ago
Jesus name I'm a healed of the Lord I'm
blacking it wouldn't it wouldn't
wouldn't work my here my I couldn't hear
anything and saw it's okay I know what
this is you know and I go to the pastor
say hey I feel like I got a word of
knowledge for somebody who needs you
know healing in their in their left ear
kind of have permission yeah after this
song go up there and I'll go up there
and call it out and somebody come forth
who can't hear and pray for them and the
divine miracle happens they're able to
hear out of their ear she's being
obedient then I can hear out of mine
right those weird pains that go on being
in services and all of a sudden your
neck I can't move my neck what's what I
got going on you know and then first you
start like rebuking do you think it's
the devil trying to get you like for for
some reason it's the first thing I've
always went to and I know allows you to
do yes i hold on let me just speak this
out is anybody have a neck pain neck
injury they need healing for and i went
to the doctor today because of my neck
and they said some stuff going on we got
a ring and oh the lord wants to heal you
can we pray for you sure and then the
Holy Spirit shows up and touches that
person and even just creates an
encounter for other things to move
prophetically with the person so now you
feel it in your body it's kind of I mean
all this up scary I know you like
talking to people and you can pilot do
you think that it's some of it would you
call like you could say mind-reading but
like you know what they're thinking like
you're talking to them but you like
you're getting like other stuff while
you're talking to them you can feel them
judging you maybe like a lot of stuff
like that you're talking hey how you
doing hi all you want sir you're like
there's other stuff being like going on
back and forth just what they really
think about you with me yeah that
happens sometimes usually I'm not as at
ultimate because of this well be honest
if I find out someone has a lesson
horrible viewpoint of me of they're not
going to tell me I'm going to ensure
that end yet dealing with me I'm going
to be as much myself as possible so that
I piss you off
because have you around me I've no
tolerance for facades so since you don't
tell me what you really think okay you
got to meet me in actual real action
you're gonna be that new you're sad that
you like 2015 is my birthday badly a
part of me likes to come out and come to
the forefront I come on come on see this
what you really think and I know what
you really think I don't know pretend to
be nice when you don't have anything to
do with someone I'm become push on this
button so we come let's just let's just
made up for what it really is so I like
to do that and you know well it is that
when it is that I'm around people may
can see that you know they are
suspicious or they're very cynical what
I will say that I won't share a lot of
my treasures I won't share a lot of
things I believe because I'm not I don't
force my people who are disrespectful
regarding it and you know it's nothing
if you don't understand and you want to
hear my thoughts and you sincerely even
if you disagree you could be sincere
about here are someone else's journey
it's another thing if it is that you're
a pessimist and you're really just
wanting to nitpick tear mark what I see
then screw you no time for people like
that yeah not with the internet man you
know what I'm saying like we can you can
you Baba tracks your tribe there's no
reason to be bullied and try to prove to
prove you're like you don't validate
yourself around unsuspecting people hey
you don't like me join the join the line
there's a lot of people you know what
I'm saying you don't believe me I don't
want you like I don't expect you to
believe me
you had to have been there I'm sorry I
wouldn't believe me either and that's
good you know the saying is that you
didn't just take my word for it or
whatever the case is but you know
integrity and all that stuff I think it
validates a lot of stuff too is there
any spiritual practices because I know
you said you venture out a little bit
you little bit more open there's any
spiritual practices that you know a lot
of that you do that like we may be
surprised about whether it's like any
interactions with angels or calling on
other
entities by name or burning sage or you
know plant medicine is there anything
they say out of the box that you do
that's just kind of like near and dear
to your heart to kind of tap into the
spirit realm or anything like that
believe it or not spiritual practice
look what I do do a lot is that I study
and I listen to streams of thinking and
and perspectives that are that are
probably that really do contradict
especially contemporary Christian
thought and I love to I love to spend as
much time looking into so different
religions and different different ways
just always just different ways of
experiencing life I enjoy any people by
name like that's really recently one of
my friends and he is a LGBTQ advocate
and he introduced me to a woman and
she's really a social voice more so than
anything else her name is bell hooks
okay and I signed up for them I've been
doing this online course on transgenders
all transgenders because usually I'm a
burn about some particular group people
I need to go look into it and see what's
going on with me in there and what I
what I will do as much as possible I
will because I'm a very relational
individual I find that talking to people
who are across the spectrum outside of
my particular sphere that that for me as
a practice I do I engage and as much as
possible because it helps me to
experience and to hear their reality of
what it's like for them and it that
almost more than anything else because
I'm not much for meditation because just
sitting down you're talking to you for
like two hours I mean all my legs are
moving because a DD and so I'm always
used on the move and so that's why it's
a powerful man go against your nature
alright and so and so I thrive by
sitting sitting on someone like you or
Calvin Witcher or one of my other for
having friends and spoken for who I into
metaphysics and different different ways
of functioning that does it so for me
I'm into all that stuff too like I
studied a lot of different philosophies
and for me it validates I don't know if
you want to say the Bible we could say
the Bible it validates my faith it's
another it's expounding like I have I
have these others in metaphysics and
maybe scientists or people who are you
know take more of a scientific approach
and or someone who's into chi-gong or
someone who's into Reiki or whatever the
case is like they're like expounding
from another position things that we
already believe and we already practice
and they they're approaching it from a
different perspective but they give us
some light that we're not able to see
because well whether it's about the
Bible or certain passages and ways to
break it down because we've been told
it's this way well we listen to a mystic
or
someone who's into another philosophy
does it does it reinforce your faith a
little bit more make it a little bit
more magical and it humbles me it
humbles me because it helps me to
recognize that stat that number one God
God has the capacity to reach people
straight across the spectrum I don't
necessarily fall into your typical
events our way of operation it makes me
realize that I don't have to hurry and
get it I'll figure out yeah no you don't
have them you don't have it the monopoly
on speaking in tongues or discerning of
spirits and how that works
it's awesome to hear other people talk
about it from a whole nother perspective
is I hold on you talking about this you
know they don't use that word you know
you know you know again access
throughout the breadth of the universe
the people yeah being more inclusive in
I think it opens you up like everybody
has to kind of cross that threshold who
especially if you're a part of religion
because you you're told that God only
speaks this way or God only speaks
through Christians or was that person
born again who gave you that information
you know like yeah with a face a woman
yes so like once you cross that
threshold consciously you know you're
open for God to speak to you through
anything you know what I'm saying and
there's levels to it and because
something cos God could speak to you
through a homeless man you Lars is some
crazy-ass homeless man like he doesn't
even know he doesn't even have his life
together you judge it through that
what was the word we used a while ago
the cognitive dissidence kicks in I mean
God could never speak through a Muslim
God can never speak through the money
foggy Dubrow wrote the bhagavad-gita
there's the Quran bro God is not in the
Quran bro you know you had these weird
things you know hold on I mean he and
God will do God will speak to you
through the Quran just because you said
that he can't mm-hmm you don't speak to
the Quran God let me show you pick it up
you know what I'm saying like anything
like the earth is the Lord's and the
fullness thereof man
we hear his voice he speaks through many
different my sheep know my voice and the
strangers they will not follow but his
voice speaks through so many different
dialects it sounds the same as its
familiar its we heard his voice before
we reformed in our mother's room it's a
familiar sound but it speaks through so
many different facets man and there's a
there's a I guess you would call it a
proverb a Hindu proverb it says you can
if you can't see God in all then you
can't see God at all God where are you
in this you know what do you have for me
in this and man being so in tune and so
close with the father's voice that
there's a man you privy to so much more
and it open it unfolds because you
thought you had to figure it out like oh
my god back to the drawing board but it
makes it more fun dude you know cuz
you're looking for mystique everywhere
and he's longing to speak he's longing
for you to to listen he'll speak through
the movies he'll speak through your
friends he'll speak through whatever
like I think that he's not which is the
cool thing sometimes I feel like gosh
I'm not in the mood today I need a break
yeah absolutely absolutely true Farah
man it's good stuff well Bryan I
appreciate this this interview man is
hanging-out session bro we got to do it
more thank you absolutely thank you for
making me the first one got it in man
first one of 20/20 starting off right
what do you have the plug man your your
Facebook you have any any website
anything where people can check out more
about you I mean your your Facebook is
popping like you stay on a roll I love
it it keeps me laughing and like you
said the memes were the best though the
cat mean did you know a lot of those
memes or would you think a lot of those
means went viral bro I think other
people were taking them and re uploading
them cuz I'm finding all these other
people like with the same me my whole I
think it almost tagged you I think it
looks heel made this you know people
still do stuff and probably change my
name what do you have I have I'll be
traveling to the USA some more this year
I'll be and whatnot a deal
it's just just following and check out
my page follow me and inbox me I roll
the spot service Boston I'm in Alabama
bro not too far oh it's a little ways
but not too far my owl is 21 by 7 so
yeah it's long so I'll give what I go to
the USA and this is this company take 2
take 2 hours again I'm like excuse me 2
hours to get weird yeah I'm a Charlotte
North Carolina this year I'm Cincinnati
Ohio should be there this year I'm gonna
be a lot of be in Eastern Maryland so if
you just stare at my page ashamed
different places off ya probably gonna
clown some more this year social media
and do some more things that gets a lot
of stuff out there and after it's a
medicine man it is it is an ally like
introducing people to this side of me
because it makes it easy even when they
see me in person because I don't have to
deal with or that false sense that false
respect man of God yeah yeah I'm just a
happy guy okay so plug the Facebook or
whatever again okay
facebook.com forward slash election if
you look up Alexi opelu Alexio be it'll
actually yeah that's that's my facebook
page and my personal page I'm probably
gonna do after photo shoot this year
gonna do a way to my public page but
pretty much I'm just nice normal dude
just reach out to me hey my book is on
Amazon my first book on the ABCs of
prophecy and fundamentally it's called a
fundamental graduate or in ministry it's
a comprehensive
probably first look that I ever got into
that I did to explain a number of
different things I saw regarding the
prophetic because I was just frustrated
that I can find a resource that just
gave a comprehensive look into the
supernatural and
dreams and visions and all that stuff so
if you wanted from a pretty much the
kind of charismatic viewpoint
I definitely upgraded and do some work
with it but it's a first snapshot into
my life and to how it is that I think
and how and what Mike screams and
journey was like that led me to this
place a space enemy awesome good stuff
man
excited to see what you got coming and
it's a blessing to know your brother and
there's a bunch of people in chat
already and they follow you on Facebook
maybe because I shared some of your
stuff I don't know but they they follow
your memes and stuff in this and they're
saying how good it is though so good
still it's good it's good to know that
I'm helping people that I'm adding joy
at to their life as well as challenging
them to think it differently man that's
what it's about bro yes making people
think and if that's if that's it like
just you know in it that unlocks
something in people man you know let
them to even if they you know they take
it away whether a lot of times it's a it
may feel like a jab at first like hey
what do you because they because you
have this agreed-upon belief that you
think is doctrine or Church truths or
whatever the case is and when you hear
anything against that contrary the first
you know notion is to kick it out but
it's something that just kind of
resonates and makes you think a little
bit dude in any way that you can do that
through music like I do or podcast memes
it means a huge man this is there's so
much theology that are that's being
taught and learned and so much being
communicated through memes these days
it's really interesting make it's kind
of like hieroglyphs or something at this
point a whole picture with two you know
baby Yoda is taken over though I don't
know if you've done any baby Yoda memes
I've done the ones year but I've been
I've been watching them what I did was
you remember my daughter wise and I did
together I did a whole series with that
and I just when I went in and I promised
you I would say things that you like at
legitimate approaches and parts me like
what was yesterday was yeah I just leave
us alone
and train 20 leave us alone in lecture
I'm like I'm trying but I keep messing
up yeah yeah yeah yeah giving me too
much content I can't exactly nobody
calling y'all on the copper foolishness
so it's my job by the grace of God it's
funny man well uh good good to call your
brother man and and being this this this
spirit to walk with you man and we'll do
it again brother things so much
absolutely ho maybe this year the
transition next year we could meet up
because it really cool he sayin Alabama
yeah okay cool any reason me
me encanta need to meet up this all we
talking about me a Calvin talked about
some because he's not too far either so
that'd be awesome if we can for real I
have to love vacation days that haven't
done anything great set aside yet for
2020 that this would be a good there's
some southern ice a controversial give
them something else a common false
prophet sure we just did a without
giving too much there for AC we just did
just did a conference with the Christ
consciousness conference and we I didn't
do it at a church so we've rented a
rented a universal Church like a
universalist church or whatever and and
somebody was sharing my stuff and I
think it was my buddy who's in chat here
and there's a hey guys supposed to be
speaking at a universalist church she
might be you my gotta watch I was like
nothing to let us come in the regular
churches talking about which I'll tell
you what let me let me say this a lot of
churches opening I might old Calvinists
though I run with a group of people man
who were really pushing the uh pushing
the envelope I mean you know the
charismatic movement but it's it's a
little bit more inclusive these days we
pending on where you go along you got a
check you got to go places that that
structure has been torn down there like
because you can discern that and that's
the most disgusting thing you can
discern where that hierarchies there and
you got to fight this Boston you got to
get through this Boston you got to email
this boss to talk to the pastor like the
weird Church I'm sure like seeing that
but as far as like a more of a
grassroots spiritual movement in the
Christian community like I've been
embraced lately and it's really weird
because I've been on the fringes and on
the outskirts of it for so many years
and I thought I was alone but again
there's so many other people who are
having beautiful spiritual encounters
they're more inclusive they're open to
ask questions even if they don't agree
with everything that I do I'm open about
it hey this is what I do this is what it
means to me even though you don't
believe it or don't endorse it there
still I hate your brother man I see God
using you I see God in your life I vouch
for you like verses in back in the day
oh really you do that see you you know
what I'm saying like we're just
expecting everyone to still be doing
that but there are like a lot of grass
roots like Christians people who love
Jesus who are open to the far-out super
super spiritual stuff some of them are
way out there but a lot of them are even
walking in balance with it and it's real
beautiful so be a be encouraged with
that man thank you so much everyone
definitely looking forward to this
journey and to see what it is that God
gets done and let's rock it out okay so
a third way at 2020 new vision let's
make it having high brow I'll be in
touch with you okay I'll give it a link
because we're friends already really
want to sing it to say that one is
asking me did I sing sing it okay let's
put it to nothing he said nothing gospel
not a neck 10:45 p.m. okay if I gave you
forever
would you take care of me yeah so where
where are you taking me for a chain
those wonderful things gotcha dude it's
got me feeling well with you thank you
while you're using your inside voice to
so cuz I've seen you belted out man
there's some videos of him wide open so
it was good though
good stuff check out his music there's a
bunch of videos and stuff that he has on
his page preaching the house down and
pretty much having conversations like
this from the pulpit which is cool you
just tell it like it is and what you see
is what you get i brother mini blesses
man have a good one
peace peace Alexio balloon ba
i ll o you go to Alexio be on facebook
check him out literally his his memes
are magic he's got some funny memes
they're gonna make you think they're
gonna challenge you laughing at church
culture laughing at some of the things
that we take ourselves too seriously
over like you got to be able to laugh
laugh at some of the stuff if you don't
you it'll drive you mad so laughter is a
medicine that helps you from stop going
mad that's the medicines laughter works
together for our good
you have to freak out if you don't so
man hey thank you guys for hanging out
with me in the livestream in a live chat
on YouTube Facebook wherever you
listening to the set periscope listening
to this on the podcasting app shout out
to all you beautiful people as well with
that I must say peace and Shalom I hope
that your 2020 is blessed I hope that
there is new vision for you that you
just embrace the energy in the
opportunity to step to step into
whatever it is that you have been
wanting to do to step out it's a perfect
time to to fire on those goals fire on
those those dreams fire on those visions
start that business start that podcast
start that healing ministry start that
coaching career whatever it is step out
write that course you have so much to
offer every single one of you have
something that can help somebody else
you've been through something that's a
little bit that you got some insight on
and
can help people who were in it right now
or who are gonna get going to be going
through it very soon and you can share
that with people and whatever it is fire
on it man
2020 is the year to do it I encourage
all of you to do it I'm doing it
stepping out releasing some other things
and working on some courses and some
some private mentoring sessions and
things like that that I'm doing for 2020
we just started booking these me shout
out to a couple people who's already
booked seats listening in the livestream
but we have two events coming up already
booked we got a event in January which
booked out there's another one in April
on booking these spiritual events where
we're going into the woods and getting a
cabin with a bunch of men and we're
gonna be doing some some chanting some
spending time in nature meditation
breathwork all that cool stuff and
getting together with some fellas
setting that intention for what we want
to manifest in 2020 and encounter
personal revival within our own lives
laying some things down picking some
things up and moving forward forward
with it and I'm really excited about all
of the stuff that we're stepping into
just released a new song last night it's
a bit different stylistically and but
I'm getting a bunch of good feedback
about it for the most part so if you
want to hear it check it out a little
bit more
I wouldn't say crunk it's a little bit
more aggressive and a more maybe
mainstream sounding even so if you want
to check that out it's on my youtube or
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