Accessing The Courts of Heaven | Gil Hodges

Accessing The Courts of Heaven | Gil Hodges
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQl7Cq8pP_E
Transcript source: YouTube captions

truth-seeker and/or its affiliates are
not responsible for any strange
phenomena that may occur during or after
listening to this podcast which may
include the following heightened senses
of awareness psychic abilities UFO
sightings alien contact time loss
out-of-body experiences ringing in the
ears ESP lucid dreaming increasing
chronicity s astral protection telepathy
stronger intuition levitation miraculous
healings and all remote viewing please
be advised to assume control decision
what you
your dad lucked into the to think of
podcasting live at UC cacao esoteric and
all being spiritual hey what's up ladies
and gentlemen
I'm your host true seeker this is the
true seeker podcast again excited
delighted to be with you guys as always
we're gonna speak about all things
spiritual today we're going to be
speaking about engaging the Kingdom of
Heaven engaging the courts of heaven
what does that mean
what does that look like who has access
we're really going to get it in so if
this is something you want to hear about
make sure you buckle up your seat belts
stay tuned because this is good stuff
we're gonna get into the Nitty Gritty
this is what I'm about this is what I
enjoy doing we're gonna hear somebody
else to take on it and really break it
down chop it up so yeah hang out with
this for a little bit I want to say a
huge thank you to everybody who is
supporting my work via patreon I
couldn't do this without your help so a
huge thank you to everybody who believes
in my work and has partnered with me in
the vision and what God has given me
through the music through the podcast
and everything else that I'm bringing to
the table the teachings and all that
cool stuff so thank you guys with all of
my heart
it means the world if you'd like to give
head to patreon.com backslash true
seeker there's different levels of
giving there you get access to my entire
discography of music which is 200 plus
songs essentially everything that I talk
about on the podcast I talk about in my
music so yeah go check that stuff out
you also get access to our Thursday
night school of the Mystics session for
any level of giving and you also get
access to the Sunday morning CR class
for a different level tier there so go
ahead check all that stuff out what I
bring to the table and if you fill in it
let the Lord use you so check it out
patreon.com/scishow we're gonna go ahead
and jump into this interview without
further ado I'm gonna go ahead and bring
on my friend Gil Hodges Gil brother
welcome to the show man how're you I'm
doing well thank you for having me on
this is a special treat for me you know
I've heard about you through a lot of
different means and Michael Bessey um
and some others too the fringe radio
network and so but getting to know you
has absolutely been an honor and I hope
a lot of other people take the time to
you know seek to understand what you're
doing because you've got a powerful
ministry yeah push back to facade the
internet Prasanna or if you will some of
the scary stuff out there you know it's
funny but yeah it's part of it man
there's a lot of people who miss out on
a lot of people not just me but just
people in general because they put them
in boxes or label them as that and then
went categorize people I've kind of
worked to like I don't think there's a
box set out a fit in so I'm like I don't
really have that label where I agree
with everything or fit in or this one or
that one but the cool thing is there's a
lot more people out there who are in
that box even you know the box that's
outside of the box you know so it's
really cool man just to kind of you know
I'm saying get to know people for who
they are
and about and so yeah man thanks for
coming on like you know you had me on
your show and you were very cordial you
know and and I felt at home and I
haven't really I have I have some pastor
friends and preachers and stuff and
Christians on from time to time but
mainly I have a lot of people who were
in the spiritual community new age and
stuff cool thing is is that the
Christian community and the New Age
community may be kind of I wouldn't say
merging but we're talking about
spirituality and so that so especially
if we're talking about spirits God Jesus
and all the stuff we have to talk about
Christ because when we're engaging that
realm he is the Lord of everything so
I've been bringing that to the
conversation and so it opens up doors
for conversations like we're gonna have
today with people of all faiths even all
walks of life and different levels and
their walk with Christ and maybe even
those who don't even know who Jesus is
so we're gonna get into that but it's
really cool you had me on your
opened up the door for just conversation
and felt really much at home felt
appreciate it felt like you really cared
and so I was like you know what this is
a good one so I just wanted to have you
on my show and return the favor and
really build with you in the spirit so
you know this is more than just us
hanging out doing an interview so I
think that we're you know walking
together in in unity and in the spirit
and thank you for being a part of my
life
publicly okay well I appreciate I
appreciate you and as I've said to many
people it's like you've got a mandate
that the Lord has given you that you
know a lot of people are afraid of
they're you know they're they don't want
to go and do some of the stuff you're
doing so I just appreciate the fact that
you're willing to be obedient and just
step out into that arena and do what
you're doing because I I love it I
appreciate it the boldness and actually
you know the other thing is just I've
always appreciated about you from from
day one when I started listening to your
stuff that you've got an emotional
intelligence that is not found in too
many places you know not a lot of people
have an emotional intelligence like you
do that you're willing to see things
from multiple perspectives at the same
time yeah and not try to put everybody
in a box that most people to want to be
a box compassion and empathy changed my
life really it goes a long way and I
think Jesus had that you know and and
not taking someone's word for it and
it's really opened up the door for
exploration for me is like here in
blanket statements about people about
maybe even Muslims per se I was just
having a phone conversation with a
friend of mine he's just going in and in
on on Muslims and this and that now I
hold on man like I know Muslims who are
different than that and I can quote you
those same statistics about Christians
and all Christians are this all that but
it's like you have an empathy for people
and you want to put yourself in their
shoes and it's okay if I was in that
situation how would I respond how would
I act and that gives you a natural
empathy to really see
you know I'm saying the things that
those people are going through and then
therefore you can heal them Jesus felt
the infirmities of the people he knew
what they were going through and he was
willing to go those places that the
others wouldn't he got judged for it but
uh you know as far as this whole
Christian or New Age or spiritual
community or whatever to me I just look
at it like we have a pup the Apostle
Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles and
so he would go to these people that the
the Jewish community and the Hebrews
kind of looked down upon
they called them dogs even unclean
people don't hang around those people
don't learn their ways don't speak their
language and he did I'm not even talking
about Jesus I'm talking about Paul the
Apostle to those people he went in and
he spoke their language we talked about
how Paul he quoted their text to him to
Zeus like the Apostle Paul was quoting
to him to Zeus and using using it as a
reference to the true God and hey this
is my god I live and move and have my
being so and he would just kind of break
it down so that in terms that they could
understand Jesus did the same thing and
then so they were both judged for going
after you know the the ones who society
is kind of picked over and pushed to the
side the outcast or rejects and so
that's been my heart no matter who they
are
what religion or what circle or church
that they're affiliated with and just
finding the ones who God has called out
in in those people groups and so yeah
that that's my journey and that's the
story so for you give a little bit of
background just about who you are and
what you bring to the table for people
who don't know who you are and we'll
start there well one thing you know I
honor the body of Christ in every you
know every church has its place in the
in the body I believe and you know that
we've got the three plumb lines that we
go by we don't do doctrine at our little
church called kingdom equipping center
where you know we'd be referred to as
the pastor in a lot of cases but we just
prefer excuse me we prefer just you know
that you know
where the where the leaders but we have
a leadership council we we are moving
with a group of people it's a community
and we basically felt like the father
gave us three plumb lines that would
take us down a road of unity versus you
know the doctrines that divide us and so
I know I'll cover those maybe in a
little bit later but to me they they're
fantastic because they do they bring
unity and they they stop the division
that the doctrines bring but at the same
time there's you know so many different
beliefs out there and I just want to
honor you know each and every church
that is out there that you know follows
Yeshua as the only way to the Father and
the only way to eternal life
I just want to bless each and every one
of them so the particular denomination
that I was a part of that I honor very
strongly was the seventh-day Adventist
Church and I became a pastor there was a
pastor there for nearly seven years and
but I needed that denomination because
it was so analytical and logical and I
was such a skeptic that I needed
something like that in order to actually
you know get my foot in the door so to
speak and and receive Jesus Christ so I
was there for seven years but I came in
with a very strong religious spirit
I was very skeptical I was um you know I
loved to debate and argue people into
the ground and it wasn't nice about it I
really you know I tried to be nice about
it yes but at the same time it was more
important to me to win the argument than
it was to save a relationship and draw
people in that way so anyway I am just
really really you know had to go through
a transition and the father basically
allowed me to do a faceplant and I
burned out after about six and a half
seven years I burnt out and really I
mean it was a real burn out where you
know when I was done I was done I was in
my I would be in the bedroom at home and
some would come knock at the door and my
wife would have to go answer the door
the phone would ring and you know she
would have I wouldn't pick up anything I
did not want to be around people so it
was a pretty solid burnout
but the father used that in order to
break down all of my garbage and all my
walls and all my you know what I thought
were perfect belief system it wasn't
perfect at all and so he broke all that
down in order to allow me to start
looking at other perspectives and so it
was it was a it was a long journey so I
got out of ministry and spent about 17
years in business where you know you
going that another time but that that is
something I enjoy but I enjoy ministry
much more it's more fulfilling and so
fathers brought me from there through 17
years of journeying to the place where
we're at now were I have never been more
free than I am now the last two and a
half three years after stepping into the
heavens and in understanding what that
means and then it's real it's something
that the father has been you know
inviting us to do you know Jesus he
opened up the door he is the way he is
the gate he tore the veil all of that so
that we could enter into the heavens and
become the ecclesia you know and I don't
know how far you want me to go I can
keep going here ya know that's good I
mean I always have questions in and out
of that so don't go too long because
I've got some question always put
questions out of that so just so we
don't get too far away from the context
so being very dogmatic very
matter-of-fact very scripturally
oriented if it's not in the Bible I
don't believe it I want to see it line
upon line precept upon precept you come
from the seventh-day adventists where
they have to prove what they believe and
if they can't prove it then they don't
believe it
I kind of come from that same background
getting into you know I come out of the
Assemblies of God but then I got into
the Hebrew roots movement that started
it then I got with the Hebrew Israelites
that was super deed they taught me how
to dissect the Bible like you're saying
line upon line precept upon precept to
really and was really militant about it
you know even preaching or sharing the
gospel was a militant feat it was not
out of it was supposedly out of love
if you love them you're gonna tell them
the truth but it was a very militant
thing it was not a pleasant experience
most likely I was always right and had
to win the conversation as well so
definitely have that in common and I
don't I just I thank God that I went
through that and he did that for a
reason and brought me through these
little sects and different branches of
Christianity or whatever to teach me but
um I'm glad I'm not that person anymore
a lot of people remember me for from
still to this day for for being that
person but now I'm on the opposite
spectrum I enjoy listening to people and
joy figuring out what they believe in
why they believe it even more that's
just just kind of um being analytical as
well just breaking the person down in
their psyche and how they were brought
up and what scriptures or whatever the
case and you see the beauty in all
things and so even rejoicing that the
gospel is being preached you know in
different motives and different reasons
and all that kind of stuff but you still
rejoice that Christ's name is being
glorified that's why I met now I'm open
I'm more free you're open you're more
free now you say you don't really engage
with doctrine and debating and proving
and cutting ties because you used to
right that used to be the old Gill
turned a lot of people away made a lot
of people mad you were very militant are
you now you were too militant right yeah
I would say I was too now are you to
open are you to free do you just let
anything fly like I'll have guests on
I'll have guests on my show and they'll
be spewing out things that I know isn't
true and people in the comment section
or like dying for me to get them go
there and and I can and I that old me
would like I would cut them off
mid-sentence and stuff you know what I'm
saying like so but I mean I the mission
is different for me now at least the
missions still the same but the you know
the approach to it the way that I
interact and it's still effective what
I'm doing I believe and and I believe
what you're doing is effective too but
do you get accused of that or do you
even question yourself like
maybe I should shouldn't let this person
come on here and talk about this stuff
and act like I'm okay with it like do
you are you too open do you ever
question yourself you know I not so much
anymore I honestly just feel like that
it's only been in the last two and a
half three years that I have honestly
discovered Who I am because I am you
know my father's child I mean he is the
one that created me and he created me
for a purpose and it's when I'm able to
be in that place and be comfortable in
my own skin doing what I'm doing and I I
kind of measure that by you know when I
do get pushback from people what is my
response because you know sometimes you
know I get that knee-jerk reaction and I
want to fight back and it's like no no
no no hear these people out and and look
at it from their perspective because I
was there I mean I that's that is the
beauty of going the whole gamut and
going that hope you know having that
perspective from being judges you have
something to judge this is a hundred
percent this this way and this is a
hundred percent that way so you can know
where you are now is that you know being
in a place where I thought I had all the
right doctrine and all the truth that
eventually everybody was going to come
to me to a place where I know I don't
have all the truth and I'm sure and
what's on my heart I believe it
wholeheartedly and yet at the same time
I hold everything loosely because if I'm
holding something so tightly in a better
or a higher truth comes along I'm not
gonna be able to let go of this because
I got you know I'm holding on so tightly
so just to hold it loosely that way my
pride in my own arrogance don't get in
the way of hearing somebody else's point
of view so that I can adjust if
necessary but you know one of the things
that I recently got some pushback on
which is and rightfully so really good
questions because someone came back and
they said you know the one thing we want
to be careful of is that we don't fall
into universalism yeah well what's that
well a lot of people get universalism
confused with Christian universalism
because universalism is just that all
paths lead to you know the same place
and that that at least it you know right
now I would have to say I disagree with
that mm-hmm
what I do believe is in Christian
universalism which is the idea that the
father's not satisfied with 99 he's
going to go out and find the other one
as well and he's going to bring them all
back yeah and when it says that all
things are going to be restored you know
this is father's creation and I he is
love and love never fails and I believe
he's going to win and that eventually
all people everywhere would see how
powerful his love is and they will come
to him now there that's opening up a can
of worms a big one I know for a lot of
people but it gives me a freedom to to
be able to listen to people and even
though I don't agree with them it's like
in the end I know it all works out and
that's what the Bible says you know it
works out for those who love the Lord
and I believe that everyone will
eventually come around the scene his
beauty in his love for the living yeah
it uh there's a lot of believers who
were starting to go with that doctrine
with that belief system they're not a
even a doctrine a can you know point out
in the scripture where there is a lot of
outlines for that and him you know you
guys were just how about the other day
the restoration or reconciliation of all
things it successfully it seems like the
more time that we engage Christ that we
walk with the Lord and we're in his love
the further we get away from like some
type of eternal torment where he's gonna
he loves it takes pleasure is going to
punish his own own creation for all of
eternity not for a period of time when
that's debatable to there's a lot of sex
I'd say don't okay that he'll you know
that kind of stuff is just for a period
of time to teach you a lesson and or
what about Hitler and all of these so
there's a bunch of stuff that comes in
into play but I'm I'm kind of with you
on that as far as the I haven't heard it
from a Christian standpoint at least I
haven't put that then that term
Christian universalism on it what do
they call it they call it um
I forgot there's there's names for this
there's whole sex and movements of
people we've did a couple shows on it
but the more time I spend in the love of
God the more I'm you know let go of this
concept of held of somewhere so that
he's gonna punish somebody for all
eternity because they didn't hear the
right gospel you know if if the only if
the only picture that that these
unreached tribes have of who God is or
who Jesus is is fred phelps going over
there in the Westboro Baptist Church God
hates and all of this kind of stuff
and he goes over there to tell them
about Jesus well I don't know there's
people who are gonna respond but I don't
know a lot of people who are gonna
respond to that Jesus right and then so
the even there's this video that went
viral of a minister who went to Uganda
with a mission strip and he got drunk
and he's trying to fight all of the
people in the hotel and he's telling
them God hates Uganda God's gonna judge
you ganda and he's trying to fight him
he's punching them in stuff and just
drunk is okay if that is the is their
only picture of what Jesus is that you
know I'm saying they're not gonna then I
don't think they're gonna respond so it
really gets interesting when we get into
Romans 1 and 2 to select God speaks to
all of creation and then like to those
who are not Jews by birth they're not
Jewish by birth they didn't grow up with
the law and be able to look at this and
what it means and it's not that
worldview that he uses everything he
uses all of creation to testify
you know surely the heavens declare the
the I'm saying the glory of God and so
we can look at at the heavens and just
be in awe like man there's something out
there that created us something deeper
than me and so there's a this longing
within within all people to want to know
where they came from and if you seek
long enough I don't care what religion
you get involved with you know you
you're gonna find it if you're really
seeking you know I don't know if all
paths lead to the same place I haven't
walked them I haven't walked every path
so I can't tell you from I can't make an
educated statement and say yes all paths
I have it I've never
been a Muslim I never been a Sufi I
never been a Hindu I don't know where
that path leads you but I do know that
there's people within those paths who
are called of God who are part of the
body of Christ as Billy Graham said I
tend to go with Billy Graham later in
life as he made those statements and and
I believe that I could see this honest
pursuit for holiness for truth for God
for something outside of themselves and
Billy Graham himself said they may not
even have heard the name of Jesus but
there's something within them that cries
out Abba Father
I need a Savior somebody help me you
know and so at the end of the day it's
love I believe that Jesus is loved that
God is love and so that's the fruit
that's the fruit that was Jesus said
don't judge anybody according to their
doctrinal judge of anything before its
appointed time but a judge everything
everyone according to the fruit so if I
hang around that Muslim hang around that
Hindu there's some Muslims and Hindus
I'd rather hang around in Christians let
me say that that I know bitter racist
hurt angry Christians I don't want to be
I don't want to hang out with you I
don't want to partake of that fruit you
know but there's other people who have
no idea this Christian Christian ease
that we speak but they had this this
inner knowing in this inner inner
understanding of who God is that they
need something outside of themselves
it's a deep it's the kind of worms we've
opened it you know we could we could
close it now and just keep moving but
that's my two cents on the subject so I
don't know if you want to respond to
that well I think for me it's a good
place to share the three plum lines and
we've got it's amazing because there are
churches around the world literally that
are starting to adapt and and bring in
these three palm lines and so we're
actually on a mission to get we're gonna
start with you know seeking and asking
for a hundred thousand
believers to you know kind of sign this
unity covenant with the father's not
with you know anybody else it's just
with Yeshua but the first poem line is
the cross of Christ and basically the
idea is that if you believe that Yeshua
is the only way to the Father and the
only way to eternal life then we're on
the same journey we are on the same path
together we're looking for the same
thing
and so the second plumb line is to love
honor and respects and that word respect
goes a lot deeper than people think that
so I'm not just talking about respecting
the person but I'm talking about
respecting their point of view and their
interpretation because if I can't
respect you your interpretation of
something doesn't mean I have to agree
with them but if I can't respect it then
I'm not gonna be able to hear you well
enough to even understand it nor if nor
am I at that point even teachable
because if I don't respect someone
else's belief I'm not gonna listen in
order to learn and believe me every
person on the planet who's ever lived
and who ever has lived ever will live
you know if we took everyone's
perspective of the father it would still
not be a complete picture so you know
why would I want to push away someone's
understanding of the father when you
know if I look at it closely I make it
another beautiful view of who he is and
then the third plumb line has asked the
father you know Jesus has torn the veil
so that we can approach the throne you
know go boldly before the throne of
grace and that is an opportunity and a
privilege for each and every one of us
to go straight and directly to the
Father and to begin to ask him engage
and develop the relationship to me that
is one of the main things that I see if
someone is truly engaging in the heavens
there's gonna be humility and intimacy
all over them and they're not going to
be running around trying to get
everybody to do everything their way
they're simply going to understand that
God loves everyone yeah and he is loved
and he's there too you know it is his
desire that everyone would be saved but
what I agree with that but what does
that look like in a community of people
I was involved with a church called the
cave ministries right and this was a
ministry that just spawned out of a
biker a Christian biker club having a
hangout in a little warehouse that
turned into worship and Jesus turned
into concerts turned into services and
they had everybody it was like the real
deal because they were like reaching out
to the drug addicts we had prostitutes
homeless people like all these people
were coming in and we're trying to clean
them up and it was blowing up like it
was barely standing room in this place
eventually a little bitty warehouse now
there are a big church and he's still
carrying the ministry but I got to see
like a lot of the different schisms as
the Bible calls it shout out gonna see
tool today they have a song called
schism I learned that word that way but
um a lot of schisms it's a it's a
difference of opinions in church
doctrine right there's be schisms in the
body of christ i got to see a lot of
these and if you have agreed-upon
doctrine and then you have other people
who come in and there's a lot of things
that I speak about preach or whatever
share that gonna catch people off-guard
it's gonna scare people rightfully so
they've never heard it it's brand new I
mean let's just say and let's just you
know without getting too crazy let's
just use Christendom let's just say if
we if I went to a Baptist Church and
said everyone raise your hands we're
gonna engage the kingdom of heaven we're
gonna ask for the fire of the Holy
Spirit the fall there's a schism already
hold on there is no falling of the Holy
Spirit we have it because we confess you
so they're gonna try to you're like a
threat to their organized religion
you're a threat to what they're building
you're a threat to their business even
your teaching things that go against
what is agreed upon the pastor and stuff
how would you handle that in a community
of people that are just open let's just
say I came to your your-your-your your
church and and started telling people
about things that are super far out
let's just say engaging with aliens I
said that you can channel aliens from
another planet they will give you
heavenly wisdom and I'm sort of teaching
people in the church how to do that as
crazy as that is and as much as you
respect it how would you handle that
because you probably need to cut that
off you heard I'm saying like you know
you're open to it you're cool how would
you handle that and then what do you
think is because we have to there's
gonna be people coming we I mean
literally we had somebody in our in our
online community do this and I had to
get rid of them like there were
channeling fallen deities and given
people personal prophecy and that's like
now we can't do
I'm sorry so how would you how would you
handle that well it's interesting
because in all my years of pastoring and
in being in church leadership I never
asked anyone to leave the church until
we opened up to begin this process and
end the three palm lines it's like after
this opened up where you'd think it'd be
completely open and people think oh now
it's going to be chaos I ended up asking
two people to leave and one one was a
witch and she you know she was open
about it and you know and I totally
respect her but it's like it's not
compatible what you're wanting to do
come here and you know you know do your
I don't know what you call that a
pentagram she had her pentagram she was
doing stuff with it in the back and it
people were really uncomfortable and
like you know what you would be
perfectly fine here if you weren't doing
some of that but it's not compatible
with what we're doing here you know and
I love you as a person but if you know
if you can't not do that then this isn't
a compatible place now there are other
churches out there I believe that and
there are and I knew it that would you
know receive her and have the ability to
actually help her because she was she I
know she's been on a journey and trying
to find Jesus but it's been like a 20 25
years early so it's not like hey let's
bring her in she can receive Jesus and
we're done no it's much more complicated
than that yeah and she did find another
Church so I and I'm very happy for her
you know and she's not happy with me but
I'm happy for her and then another one
was honestly the guy it was a guy in and
he's a he's a predator and he was you
know you know going to the women and
prophesying just totally inappropriate
things and you know we gave him some
guidelines and you can't do this and so
on and so forth and but he wouldn't
abide by those so I had to ask him to
leave as well so you know it's it there
is a responsibility for me anyway as a
leader to protect those that the father
has put within my influence and I don't
look at it as a pastor I'm not lording
it over these people or anything else
you know people are free to do what they
want to do I am totally free with people
coming in with
different belief system what I've always
said from the very beginning you know
when people come in is is just don't
come in here and start trying to teach
what you believe without honoring and
you know getting permission from the
leadership yeah because so if someone
came in and they're trying to teach
everybody this stuff and we're not in
agreement with that you know that's fine
now someone asked that person and they
want to know what they believe and they
end up you know taking a group somewhere
else then you know that's again I'm not
going to try to control people I believe
that everyone should have their own
relationship with the father and that
third plumb line asked the father so you
know I've got some people in our in fact
where we are very open about the fact
that we allow a lot of a lot of
different beliefs you can come here with
all your different beliefs just don't
come here with the intent of trying to
tell everybody else that your way of
believing is the way it is and that you
need to follow this way so you know
we're pretty open about that even this
last Sunday night we were doing some
sharing and and we actually did an
ascension for a worship time we did it
we just went up to spend time with the
father and someone was sharing some
stuff there's a little bit out of the
box and and you know because we pass the
mic around let people share what they're
getting and this other person you know
said you know I really struggle with
that I'm you know I this is what I saw
this is what I was getting but I really
struggle with that and and I'm like
hallelujah you know I'm so happy that
you can feel the freedom to be here even
though you don't completely agree with
everything that we teach and that and
it's okay it's okay because I believe
that as we move forward Father will show
them what they need to believe and it
may still be something different than
what we're teaching and we my wife and I
when we teach we don't we don't tell
everybody what to believe
we simply share the things that we're
getting and if it blesses people enter
in awesome if it doesn't then carry on
and just keep doing what the father's
telling you to do that's what's
important do what the father is telling
you to do that's awesome yeah that's
kind of what I do now and uh and I
didn't I'd even want to look at myself
as a as a leader or as a teacher or
whatever for some time and I'm just
someone who just shares what's working
for me
and if it works for you and I'm also
gonna share what didn't work there's a
lot of stuff like that didn't work or
worked for a season you know so just
being open and honest about your walk
and I think that we get enough people
just to have the conversation okay what
works for you
okay this didn't work and just have this
you know people are hurting out there
man
people are people are dying people are
suffering people when we talk about Hell
I do believe in hell but I believe it I
believe it is a place that people are in
now I believe that we can experience
hell on this earth and we can experience
heaven on this earth as well and it's
our opportunity it's our job as
believers to cultivate an atmosphere of
worship of engaging the heavenly realms
that is within us and around us and we
bring heaven to earth and so everything
that that entails
now we've we've already spent about 35
minutes covering this stuff but I think
that was we got into some good
conversation but I want to maybe this is
a foundational piece and just so that
people know who is involved in who can
you know who is welcomed or whatever the
case is or how do you act in a group of
people who believe something different
than you you know because there is
etiquette and there is humility that
must be used as well by all people and
that's something that comes with time
shout-out to Chris garner in in the
comments he's saying this a maturity
that comes with it as a maturity that
you learned and and and to be able to
hold your your piece hold your tongue
and not be always have to be right or
has to be assertive and you learned that
early on there's a zeal that comes with
it and the Bible talks about a zeal
without knowledge there's a people who
have a zeal but they don't have the
knowledge to back that zeal the bad
thing is is that people lose that zeal
but they get knowledge and so I like to
kind of probably try to practice a zeal
with knowledge you know right knowledge
and understanding engaging the courts of
heaven that's what we titled this
episode I'm interested in that I believe
that's what I would I do as we go into
states of worship now since I've been
out of like the mainstream
Church that's what I came out of I there
they were they were heavily it was like
few and far between to have a heavenly
encounter for you to ascend to heaven or
be assisted by angels and the father to
show you things there was a CD that came
out man I want to say maybe like 2003
and it was it was a CD a about a vision
of angels where this guy was translated
to heaven and took him on journeys and
he put it in audio form with some
meditation music almost and told the
story I think a book accompanied it that
was big but that was kind of like a
special thing wow this guy went to
heaven we also had Rick Joyner in the
final quest and the call he had these
revelations that book changed my life
really and always I always recommend
people to go get that book and use my
audible coupon as well but um you get it
for free that that book is powerful but
it was like these special people and so
I'm kind of out of that you know you can
have your encounter God encounters us
right we have these encounters but as
far as like taking trips to heaven
engaging the courts of heaven it being
something like a regular thing a lot of
this is new to me I kind of come back
into the realm just a little bit and I
hear about people like Ian Clayton who
are kind of big names in there like
experts on engaging the courts of heaven
and there's diagrams and there's
protocol and there's there's so much
things to do and I understand engaging
the courts of heaven and knowing who we
are in Christ on the earth was that we
like even in worship we're caught up
into these you know say heavenly states
of euphoria we pray from a position of
already being seated in heavenly places
with Christ Jesus but as far as like
this being in an encounter of vision I
don't know if you would use the term as
leaving your body and ascending I know
Paul spoke about this a little bit what
does that look like now because a lot of
this is still new to me as far as like
because I've heard a lot of different
weird terminology like I said going to
heaven too
have court cases to do life reviews to
see if there's any charges against you
almost like a mirror of our judicial
system here
what is engaging the courts of heaven
and is it a mystic mystical encounter
what is it you know my when my wife and
I first started going down this road we
were trying to teach this on Sunday
nights and it's just like there is way
way way way too much information you
know once a week yeah so I don't know if
you might be saying but um you know we
started a course called the ultimate
impact and you can go the ultimate
impact movement calm and you can check
that out but so we've got over a hundred
teachings on this now and it's it's
powerful and I'll just say this one of
them probably one of the one of the best
teachers in it and we're just really
kind of methodical and really basic and
simple so a lot of people liked our
teachings because of that but Robert
Henderson wrote a book called the courts
of heaven and I think that is one of the
best for those who are you know mainline
Christianity you know in that mainline
Christianity can read his book and and
get a good understanding of what the
courts of heaven are about but so in
Fort let's say February of 2017 we were
gonna have him come out and you know
teach this and so we started studying we
got his books and we started reading it
and we started studying the scripture
and it's like all of a sudden man it is
all through scripture this court
language and to be honest I have no
doubt none whatsoever that people from
the beginning of time or however you
want to say it you know at least from
Jesus's time till now have been entering
into the courts and you know engaging
with the courts not even necessarily
knowing the protocol and all that but
what I see now is that father is
releasing protocol that helps us engage
with it with more intentionality so it's
like when I get a computer program and
it's if it's a complicated computer
program I'm going to kind of click
around and figure out how to do this or
that it can be really clumsy and it's
going to take me a while
but you know over time I get the
protocol down and all of a sudden now I
can just flow through it it's like a you
know you did some work for me to set up
OBS I mean I could have figured all that
out probably would have taken me a day
or two you did it in less than an hour
you know because you know the protocol
and how things work so when we have that
protocol down we can enter into the
courts with more intentionality and and
get a lot of stuff done quicker more
efficiently having said all that I
believe that there is so much grace than
you know the Father loves just having us
come and he's going to accept us you
know when we're doing our best because
when we first heard about it I I said
you know I read a little bit of Roberts
book and said studied and it's like well
I'm gonna try this so the very first
night I'm trying this my sister had been
out of work for a month so I go to the
courts and I go through that process and
then I I come down to the earth and as a
you know as a king and I'm declaring it
and decree it and while I'm doing that
my phone rings and I pick my phone up
and it's my sister and hello
and she's like guess what she got a job
so you know I'm like wow that was
interesting so the very next night on
another issue we were moving our kingdom
equipping Center to another location we
were trying to figure out where that
location was going to be without groan
where we were and so I go through the
process again and literally while I'm
you know I come down and I'm starting to
decree the the truth and the verdict
that I got and my wife comes in my
office she says guess what so in the
middle of the prayer there she you know
she comes with the answer I'm like wow
that is really interesting and so it was
a couple of nights later I go again and
exactly and I'm not kidding you one bit
while I'm still in the prayer in the you
know the decree apart like my phone
rings and it is the answer to the
question that I was dealing with and so
you know it's just been incredible you
know to see how the father has worked in
the court systems it has set me free and
whether it's it's mystic mystical and
probably you know for me
understanding how to engage all this
stuff was was a
trip because you know I looked at you
know the you know the Tower of Babel you
know before they had even finished it
father was coming down and saying look
what they have done but they hadn't
finished it yet they were thinking it
and they were in process of you know
pouring out and doing everything that
they were thinking so it was in their
thought process it was in their
imagination yeah but they had not done
it yet but he said look what they have
done so because they had thought it it
was a done deal jesus said if you lost
upon a woman you've committed the act
you've done it you think about it you've
done it our thought process is so much
more powerful than what we understand we
have to realize that we are created
beings and we are created to create and
so there's not one thing that you can
look around at now you know there's not
much any way that I can look around in
this room and somebody somewhere thought
at first added in their imagination and
then it became reality but it had to
start in the spirit I look at
imagination I have two definitions
number one imagination is a it's a tool
not a toy you know the enemies taught us
that it's you know you it's okay to play
with when you're under five and over
seventy but beyond that you know get
your get your butt in gear and pay
attention and pay your taxes and all
that good stuff but then the other
definition that that I have is that
imagination is simply an English word
used to describe functions of the Spirit
without admitting that there is a spirit
so that would be the secular version of
imagination because they don't want to
admit that there's a spirit but yet it's
describing functions of our spirit and
yet it's so powerful it's so much more
than that I don't really like to use the
word imagination I'd rather you know
give our spirit the credit it deserves
and call it our spirit that you're I'm
using my spirit just to get you know
from here to the grocery store because I
have to you know think ahead or imagine
or my spirit is going ahead of me and
looking at the different roads in which
Lane I have to be in to turn here and
there and so forth so imagination is
much much more powerful our spirit is
much much more powerful
then we give it credit for and we
haven't even began to tap into
understanding you know what what it is
and how it works but I do know that when
I think it I've created it and how that
works in the different realms I you know
I kind of imagine the father's got this
universe that yeah when we think garbage
he's taken whatever we've created in the
garbage realm and he's thrown it into
this you know abyss getting rid of it
because we're creating all this stuff
yeah and yet there are other things that
we're creating that are great and so
it's setting things up in a different
realm for so when we go into the heavens
to go into the courtrooms there is
certain protocol on certain things we
understand because well I don't want to
get into the details unless you're ready
to do that so I'll stop and see what you
ask
yeah you know I got some man man there's
so much again as far as like you know
the promises of God are yes and amen and
I really do see whatever we claim
whether it be good hopefully good the
life of a believer with the renewed mind
should be confessing godly beliefs find
out God's vision for our lives
what the Bible says about us confess
those things those are beautiful things
for us you know there's so many promises
throughout the scriptures that we
confess but if we confess bad stuff we
create that as well I don't know I would
hope that the father would just stow it
away but I know we can create it we can
set man nobody loves me man nobody care
I'm just an outcast I don't know I I
don't get along with nobody I'm just
gonna be like this forever and you kind
of create that atmosphere as you speak
and it becomes real to you so it's
whether you want to say the promises of
God or just God the universe is saying
amen to whatever you put out whatever
you put out if it's garbage it's coming
back to you amen
because you so whatever you reap that's
what Jesus told us he not deceived
whatsoever a man soweth he saw also reap
if he's sowing discord confusion gossip
lies and slander guess what's gonna be
like a slingshot that comes right back
to you maybe six months maybe six years
but it's coming back and you're gonna
get to feel what
it feels like you're gonna get to feel
what slander feels like so hopefully we
look at the Beatitudes you know saying
blessed are these people blessed are
those who give they shall be I'm saying
be it shall be given unto them blessed
of tho blessed are those who show mercy
for they shall receive mercy it's like
whatever we give out it's going to come
back to us so speaking those blessings
blessings renewing our mind the mind is
powerful we can create whatever we want
and there's a bunch of beautiful things
that are created for us to use there's
also a bunch of wicked things that have
been created the Bible says that that
they keep that the wicked keep coming up
with new ideas to create evil they're
just like wow we can do this we can
create these things and there's new
things created all the time it's why we
need to renew the mind a - powerful
watch what you do thinking about the
power there for me it's not just in the
mind the mind is one thing we think
lofty thoughts we have great ideas
things we want to do do in life things
that the father has promised us that we
know but and I kind of tie this into
just the principle there of that if we
believe with our hearts or believe with
our minds and we confess it with our
mouths so there's some power of that
that connection there it's one thing
just to have a good thought or have a
good belief but it's another thing to
begin to confess it because as we
confess it we're creating it in this
atmosphere we're speaking life to it
life and death is in the power of the
tongue as we speak it into existence we
breathe the breath of life into it
whether it's good or bad so the power of
the spoken word the power of agreement
coming in in with the mind when you add
those two together the manifestation
process as you believe it can become a
lot quicker you start believing God for
greater things for for healings for
miracles I mean how many miracles have
you performed that you were just
guessing and praying for people I hope
God heals your back no I know that when
I lay my hands on you the prayer of the
faith the prayer of the righteous
availeth much the prayer of the
righteous is powerful and effective I'm
walking with Christ I am the
righteousness of Christ created in
Christ Jesus to do good works and these
are some of the good works that
gonna do in Jesus name I declare that
you're healed you lined up with the Word
of God he sends forth this word to heal
you and all of a sudden you're creating
an atmosphere of healing and atmosphere
that because you believe it maybe early
on you have to be shown
that's how faith is is grown you know
faith comes by hearing hearing by the
Word of God so there's just we hear
about it in the Bible we hear about
these exploits we may hear a minister
share his testimony on how many people
he's raised from the dead or how many he
owed or how he engages the heaven and
how manifestation happens and that
testimony builds our faith as well as we
hear it hearing by the Word of God
declaring those works so the word power
testimony in the spoken word that's one
thing I want to respond to the second is
this we're talking about the courts of
heaven where we are in relationship to
all creation and understanding it from a
biblical perspective we see the
different legal terminologies but when
it comes to the angelic and the demonic
there are legal rights and so that these
legal rights mean you talk about this
the first time we spoke we give the
enemy we give demons and fallen angels
and ungodly ideas legal right to be in
our midst and form strongholds in our
mind by coming into agreement with them
so they legally have a right to be there
depression legally has the right to be
there I remember years ago I would deal
with women who were in battered
situations right they were beat by their
lovers they've tried to kill him I mean
they're running for their lives trying
to find safety and they're living in a
place and we go visit them to pray for
him they're watching a any lifetime
shows about a murderous boyfriend coming
to kill the wife and she's telling us
her story and she's watching it on TV
you got to turn this off spirit of fear
much you know is like come on you're
letting like what the eyes are the
windows to the soul and who is the job
said I had made a covenant with my eyes
that I may not look upon the evil thing
we're taking this stuff
it's garbage in garbage out so would let
that's just one example there's so many
examples the music that we're listening
to the things that we're entertaining
and we wonder why it keeps coming up in
our head I don't know why I keep person
whether it's the music you listening to
is there profanity is it vulgar that
with a conversation you start to mimic
the people that are around you you begin
to mimic what they're saying these
entities the spirits the angels the
demons they have legal right to be there
you don't even know it I think it ties
in for me with universal law there's a
law than is it in place that is God's
laws the law of the universe and
everyone must abide to it is the way
that the universe works and when we
we're playing this game of life and we
don't know the rules we don't know the
rules in in this in this game so once we
learn them we learn the power of a
spoken word we learned the power of
agreement we learn that these entities
or these vibes have a legal right to be
there then we can serve them notice and
go about understanding okay how do I
serve them notice like they're legally
how do I've raised up a court in in the
heavens to serve these things notice out
of my own life because I've opened up
doors for them to come and while we're
talking about this just just came to me
just as an example we talk about demons
have a legal right to be there right and
how it mirrors our you know I'm saying
judicial system here in the government's
on earth a squatter
but what is a squatter a squatter and
let me see by definition I just pulled
it up a squatter is a person who
unlawfully unlawfully occupies an
uninhabited building or unused land now
this is just a random homeless person
who is moved in in your shed and it's
been living there for six months and you
didn't even know it that's a squatter
they can come to your property they can
come to property that you don't visit
anymore you haven't been there you have
an old house there they have occupied
that land okay we should run them out
right well did you know that squatters
rights government rights to be there
after a certain period of time that
squatter has a right to be on that land
when we look at the Bible well I'm sorry
I'll take it absorbers table as we
looking in the scriptures the promised
land and we're talking about the
different nations that are coming in and
inhabiting the land that the land is our
body it's a mirror image of us these
squatters relate to spirits that winter
taining that have come and made
residence in your mind and your body and
your auric field maybe and they're there
without you even knowing it you have to
figure it out they have legal right to
be there but you could desert there's
protocol to get them off the land what
would that look like
spiritually I know we can pray over it
in Jesus name and that's what we do
right but there's a etheric length
etheric language of us going to heaven I
would pray and just say in Jesus name I
serve you notice because I feel like I'm
just operating in this realm from
knowing who we are in that realm but the
two birds and you would actually
actively go in to the spirit and do
something what would you do and in a
situation like that that you know is the
power of the courts because in the in
the season where you know we were all
just going after you know the
intercessory prayer and just going after
the the battle and going into the
literal land area and trying to claim
things I was entitled out there you know
that left a lot of people bruised
battered beat up you know bloodied on
this spiritual battlefield you know and
they didn't understand what in the world
because you can pray your guts out but
if the enemy has a legal right to a
specific area or something in your life
until you deal with his legal rights he
just gets to sit there and kind of laugh
at you as you you know pray your guts
out you know now a lot of people are
going to come back at me on that I know
but again go at it from experience how
many times have you prayed and prayed
and prayed and prayed for something and
you just can't get the breakthrough
well we found
it was you know for me I suffered with
depression my entire life I mean you
know even to the point of uh you know
wanted to you know in my life multiple
times and it was it was bad I did very
well
keeping the facade up but that
depression was always there on a good
day I felt like you know I told my wife
it was like here's that here's the water
line you know there's a there's a line
that it you know it kind of says above
it I'm out of the depression below and
I'm I'm in depression on a good day I
felt like I got my nose up out of the
water was able to get a breath of air on
a good day and then I'd be sinking back
in just constant and low-level
depression and then on occasion I'd go
you know I call deep sea deep deep sea
diving you know and and just go into
these deep deep depressions where I was
just almost you know not functional and
those times I'd hide from people I just
wouldn't come out when I couldn't face
them well going into the heavens and
going into the courts
I got deliverance from it for the first
time I mean I've been through
psychiatrists I've been through in her
healing I've been through any you know
fear Foss takes so though Elijah house
all of it I've been through all of it
week's intensive you know several weeks
of intensive xand and I got some level
of deliverance and so I'm not saying
those are bad but but I never got full
deliverance until the courts of heaven
because I'd given legal right and I
didn't know it now the thing is your
bloodline can get legal right - so it
may not be something that you
specifically did but your bloodline gave
legal right signed a you know in the
spirit signed a covenant or a contract
or an agreement with the enemy that
opened up the door so um you know here I
was I'd gone probably about eight or
nine months without any depression which
was absolutely amazing it was glorious
and on one Sunday I I felt the
depression coming on and I could see you
know the here I go I'm like oh no I mean
and I was discouraged because here I
thought I had deliverance and here I'm
going down and I wasn't able to stop and
I'm what's going on and you know at
Kingdom equipping center I usually do
the announcement so you know they were
welcome everybody well that Sunday night
I picked up the microphone I welcomed
ever
I set the microphone down and I walked
right out the door because I was done I
couldn't meet people anymore I was at a
place and I'm like this is so
discouraging I thought I had found a way
out of the depression and so I went went
home and the next day I mean my I
habitually I go to the gym you know but
I had my earphones on and there wasn't
anybody else around while I'm there
working out just kind of dragging myself
through the motions father says to me he
says are you going to practice what you
teach and I'm like oh all right so I
went through a court session court
sessions do not have to be long but the
first thing that I didn't just go
directly to the court I was I was still
confused why I was having this
depression and I remember Ian Clayton
talking about how he would invite the
demons to get on his back and then he'd
go straight to the heat of the throne of
grace and you know in the kingdom the
enemy cannot exist I mean he he cannot
exist there he just you know gets us
incinerated you know he can't be in the
kingdom Bob Jones called it the snake
line that you know the the the area you
know so we've got an area of
principalities and powers that in the
earth Christians we're supposed to be as
human beings are supposed to be ruling
and reigning this entire realm not just
the earth physical earth but the
spiritual realm as well but the enemy
has taken that what most Christians
don't realize is that all we have to do
now is show up and say excuse me get off
my throne so I can take my place and
start ruling and reigning as I should
the enemy has no power in authority
which I'll come to that in a second but
so I'm you know I go I go too you know I
look at in the spirit I just look at
this depression as an entity and that's
one of the keys for me is I've been I
started looking at everything anger
depression all of those things are
spiritual entities of the enemy and so I
looked at it in the spirit and I said
hop on and I just immediately went into
the spirit and I don't like right up to
the throne of grace and so it was just
like going I bounced out you know I just
pop out and I'm right there in front of
the Father and he's looking at me and he
can tell I took I could tell something
shifted but I wasn't sure and so he's
looking at me and he can tell I'm not
sure and so he looks at his spirit
don't you know to my to my right he
looked somewhere at a sphere an angel he
says take him higher and so because
there's that snake line and you've got
that sense of you know the evil and so
forth down here that when this angel
grabbed me he just grabbed me just shot
straight up and so we're just going
straight up and as we're going up I'm
realizing oh that thing's gone it's gone
hi hallelujah and this spirit that was
carrying me it just said one thing he
said yeah you gotta watch those open
doors as soon as he said that I'm like
oh man that's exactly what I did I
agreed with that spirit of depression
because once it started coming on it
started knocking at the door snuck its
way in and I'm like at some point him
that day I said I'm I'm I'm depressed
why am I depressed well right there I
agreed with it and as soon as I agreed
with it man the doors open he came in
and he started doing what he's always
done before
yeah though I said to that spirit all
right I will take me to the courts right
now take me to the courts another courts
are below the snake line because the
enemy does show up there is the accuser
and the people think well why would I
ever want to listen to the enemy well in
this courtroom with the father as the
judge the enemy's not going to get a lie
over on the father so there's there is
no lying going on in the courts here
because there's no you know the enemy
knows he can't get one over on him now
on earth yeah he's lying to us all the
time he's the father of lies but in the
courtroom he cannot lie because the
father is there Jesus is there as our
advocate so I'm in the courtroom I
basically you know repented for coming
into agreement with that spirit and then
at that moment he he also showed me how
my entire bloodline started back as I
can I know anything about has suffered
with severe depression on on both sides
of my family so I repented on behalf of
my family bloodline and I asked for
every covenant agreement and contract
that was ever signed in the spirit to be
completely eliminated and washed in the
blood of Jesus so it was eliminated out
of every out of every fiber of my being
out of every dimension and out of every
time and as soon as I did that I was
done I came home and my wife you know
she testifies with me on this she goes
he came home a new man and she had never
forever in 25 years of marriage seen me
come out of a depression that quickly
it's always days and weeks down in days
and weeks to struggle to get out of it
and I have been free ever since so that
you know that was an example of using
the courts but here's the thing
I wanted to get to there is a there
these are five pillars of the paradigm
of love and power okay the first one is
that God is love you know these are all
scriptures okay so God is love period he
is love second one is perfect love casts
out all fear so if you are fearing
something even in stress you know even
if you just feel a little bit of stress
not freaking out anxiety but just a
little stress you're still needing to go
to the Father and ask what is it what
lie am i believing because somewhere I
have got something in me that I'm
believing and agreed with that is not of
you because perfect love casts out all
fear and then the the third one which is
beautiful is love never fails so we can
rest in assurance of that and that we
need to check our paradigm all the time
because sometimes we just were not
really living and believing that
paradigm we're letting fear in and we're
not believing that he will win so on the
other side of that Jesus says in Luke
10:19 that he's given us all power and
authority over the enemy he has given us
all power and authority over the enemy
so if that is true if the enemy has
anything in me it's because I gave it to
him so all I gotta do is go into the
courts come out of agreement have Jesus
wash it out of existence and I can be
set free immediately that has been my
experience with the courts is I do get
freedom immediately now there's
superhighways the neuron pathways you
know Caroline leaf talks about you know
there's those super highways so I will
use the bona Jesus Prayer which father
gave me years ago and in fact if anybody
wants and they can you know send me
something at all let me know and I'll
send it to them but just the idea that I
want Jesus's blood to eliminate every
neuron pathway that is a negative
pathway and some of them are super
highways but then after you get done
with the super highways you've got the
highways and then you've got the back
streets and then you got the
trails you know you know so there's a
lot of them to deal with the man just
getting rid of those highways you will
feel so much freedom and it's like ah
you'll get to a place it was like okay I
got this with the father's help in the
courts I can eliminate these things one
at a time and I don't need to get
stressed about it and the cool thing is
we call a joyful repentance is that
every time somebody accuses me of
something or the enemy accuses me of
something or and get condemnation or
whatever it's like thank you I get to go
to the courts and they get to take
another thing out of the enemy's hand so
he can no longer use that against me
and that's been my freedom that's been
my joy for the last three years I've
been walking in it and it is absolutely
awesomely wonderful and kids say much
more about it but it's just it's just
powerful it it has worked for me I will
say I will just say it's based on faith
and you know it it doesn't necessarily
work for everybody you know so I think
it's based on a lot of people's faith
and yeah if you had you can believe it
yeah if you could believe it you could
receive it and if it's not real for if
it's not real for anybody else it's real
to you yeah exactly is it because we're
getting a lot of we're getting a lot of
comments here on YouTube and so a lot of
people are equating this to what is
known in spiritual circles as shadow
work and maybe shadow what we would call
inner deliverance in the Christian realm
and the weird thing is it's like because
I've studied the elastic I went through
deliverance early on this was probably
2003 2004 they called it Christian
prophetic prayer counseling was the
material that I went through but it was
deliverance material and walking through
your ancestral line and it was kind of
weird man cuz I they gave me this Q&A to
fill out and there's all of this stuff
this is like has the enemy ever told you
this has the enemy ever told you that
you have cancer not have you been to the
doctor have you been diagnosed with
cancer but has the enemy that lying
spirit ever said hey you got cancer yes
I've just randomly sought it and had
this weird belief that I had cancer
that's totally happened a lot of people
it's kind of common
you know hypochondria you know the
engine with it yeah come in just weird
thing and it's like have you ever been
told that you were gay or like not by
other people but by like in your mind
that's I've told into a lot of men you'd
be surprised a lot of straight men have
said you know you're not you're not good
with the ladies because you're
homosexual you're not good with the
women because you're gay and they like
hold on that gay I'm not attracted to
men where is this stock coming from you
know what I'm saying so this is these
outside thoughts and so there was this
big Q&A and it's kind of fun it's like
have you ever been this as a did you
ever smoke cigarettes have you ever been
addicted to pornography and it's like a
cue and as I'm filling this out and then
you give it to them and then they pray
and fast and you pray and fast with them
and they go to the Father with your your
your paper and they set up a deliverance
session the the interesting thing is
like a lot of this stuff is even
mirrored in the spiritualist communities
and stuff because like there's a lot of
healers who aren't Christian then again
a lot of them come out of the Christian
community so maybe they take some with
them but there's there's like a mirror
of all of this stuff in a inner healing
inner child Healing shadow work again
there's something interesting as well
talking about have you ever heard of the
Akashic records which some people are
talking about in the chat and it's a sit
essentially it's like at this heavenly
book or heavenly abode almost like an
ultra library spiritual library that has
records of everything everything you've
ever did past president if present and
future and whatever you're gonna do of
the whole world and like that you can
access it and that we may be accessing
it through mystical means through
meditation through prayer a lot of even
spiritual people will say that that
state like that's their their formula I
access those courts the Akashic Courts
it's really interesting because we have
in the Bible we have the you know I'm
saying the book of life and then there's
the book of remembrance in the Book of
Records and things like that
that's mention up in the Bible so it's
almost like there's like these mirror
and other traditions even if they're new
cuz even I think that Akashic stuff is
even new it's like start from the
beginning like it's almost like a
deviation of what's always been right
you're talking about these engaging the
kingdom and courts of heaven is all the
way from the beginning all the way
throughout the scriptures and the Old
Testament and a lot of texts that were
taken out you know it's said that in the
book of like at the Book of Abraham he
talks about going taking trips to heaven
and things like that a lot of stuff was
taken out but there's something very old
a tradition that's very old is that they
practice so this is really interesting
just to see how it mirrors it I wonder
if we get the same effect you know I
wonder if we get the same effect that
I'm open if we do I think that every
good and perfect gift comes from above
if somebody's engaging that and in their
mind who knows if that exists that most
it's most likely made up let's just say
that the Akashic records it's most
likely something that a revelation
someone had and made it up but they've
put diagrams out and this is how you do
it and you can find healing and it's
like these different modes of ways that
we find healing to deal with that trauma
that we've experienced as kids the
addictions that we've had the word
curses that were spoken against us and
it's like ways to find healing oh I
wonder if they're finding true healing
there's a difference there that you see
because oh and I'm just an assist as
it's my truth and what I've experienced
you have a lot of people in and we would
say in the world who aren't part of the
church or in Christendom with with the
Christ figure being the all who has all
power and all authority who sends forth
healing and banishes demons and all that
so we can bring our heaviness to him and
so our burdens our addictions the lies
we bring it to him and he gives us the
right thoughts and understanding about
herself and heals us I wonder if the
people who were doing it outside of the
Christ model if they're finding true
healing versus suppression there's a
difference between
but suppressing those ideas and acting
like they never happened versus coming
to Christ giving giving it to him he
erases it he holds time and space in the
palm of his hand he's a time traveler he
goes back in time and he races that and
calls you justified just if I'd never
even done it he erases it he throws your
sins as far as the East is to the West
he says I will remember your sins no
more and so we get to feel that wow it's
gone it's not that no more wow it's a
beautiful encounter and you can feel it
people people undergo very similar
encounters in in the spiritual community
with very similar you know and I catch a
lot of scrutiny for this we're talking
about Kundalini Yoga and the burning
fire that cleanses out all impurities do
you have a thought on that would you I
mean obviously I don't know if we know
we can give an opinion do you haven't
like an educated opinion that you could
give is it the same thing obviously the
only thing you can teach is it being
theoretically is what you know I know
this formula I know Christ is king let's
deal with it I don't know nothing about
the Akashic I don't know nothing about
that what would you say to that you know
a good point is I think we need to
always every single person on the planet
needs to kind of check ourselves in the
sense of you know there's not much proof
of anything out there lots of evidence
not much proof of anything yeah so you
know and even things that people think
are you know I can prove this and well
somebody can probably show put a poke a
hole in it somewhere so then it's no
longer proof it's evidence you know so
but at the same time we have to learn to
live with the idea that the evidence
points in a certain direction then it
would be wise to to probably go that
direction I thought on the whole thing
of all these different avenues is I just
go back to Jesus and and just so you
know I've I've gone kind of in and out
of multiple different thought processes
in terms of
is Christianity right and you know I
tried to be an atheist for a time and
just because there was there was a time
in my life where when I after leaving
the Edmonds Church I you know struggled
financially for two or three years and I
just felt like every time I would just
about ready to get up on my feet and I
felt like God came along it's like oh
look giggles getting up ping you know
and just you know and I felt like he
enjoyed it and I came to a place where I
was so frustrated with that so you know
just you know I didn't I was didn't know
what to do and I felt like it was easier
at that time to believe that there was
no God than to believe that there was a
God that hated me so much now that was
my my my paradigm for that that season
because I was hurting so badly and not
understanding how God works and so forth
but so I spent three months trying to be
an atheist but honestly in that three
months all I was doing was cussing got
out every chance I got and at the end of
three months realized I'm still cussing
him out so I really don't believe you
know I really am NOT an atheist I
believe in him you know I believe he's
there otherwise I wouldn't be cussing
him out so the thing that broke my heart
was that when I finally stopped and said
okay I submit just the grace that he
would be willing to take me back that
that broke me just even even in that but
it was in that season or after that
season that I realized I had to make a
choice because again there is really no
proof for any one of these especially on
the spiritual side there's no proof that
I needed to make a choice and so I had
to choose what am I going to believe and
so I went through all the different
beliefs you know Hinduism Islam you know
all of them just looking at what's the
world view where does it all come out at
and and then also combining that with my
own experience I've had an experience
with Jesus Christ I've and now I've had
multiple means so there's absolutely no
way I would turn my back on him now but
mm-hmm but it's just the experiences
that I had were real and so choosing
and looking at that and it makes more
and more sense the longer I've been in
and more and more have been operating in
it you know Jesus will he either God or
he was a maniac that's really the only
two options because he claimed to be God
and who claims to be God if they're you
know unless they're crazy or they truly
are and so I you know I believed that he
was God that God Yahweh sent him as a
gift to us you know in order to show us
how we could live and multiple other
things as well as you know paying the
price for our sins so in that saying all
that I say all that to come to the point
that Jesus said I am the door he is the
way he is the one that tore the veil so
we could enter in you know that whole
thing back at Babylon was people trying
to create a portal to get into the
heavens on their own which was illegal
they were trying to enter in illegally
yeah can people do that absolutely that
is you know now you know more about this
area than I do but I believe you know
the which is the Warlocks the new agent
all that they are entering into the
spiritual realm but they're kind of
climbing over the wall rather than going
through the gate yeah and Jesus says
that they will be kicked out you know
they won't be able to come in so my
thing is when I run into people that are
operating in these other areas which I
honestly haven't had any you know major
encounters this way but when I when I
would encounter somebody like that it's
like you know yeah you're on the right
track in the sense of this is real but
wouldn't you like to go through the door
that empowers you to the fullest rather
than you know get in you know this is
kind of a knockoff of what the real is
you know that's my belief that's my
understanding of this I don't know if
that answers your question at all it's
interesting to note you know what I'm
saying and but I'm with you on that
it's um there comes a difference in our
shout-out to Chris garner like who
brought that question up but it comes at
a time where we have to move passive
just studying and trying to figure
things out until and then where we
engage it I think most people want
everything there is to know about it so
they can engage it so they just keep
getting all this knowledge and islands
and knowledge and then they're more
confused than when they started
yeah if you just get it down they want
to know which way is white well if
Christianity's right why did this happen
or why does the Bible said this and it
just all of well this looks more real
and I can so but it's just about
engaging a man and tapping into it and
so if it if you believe it it becomes
real to you I want to ask you about this
this scripture because I had this one
scripture that that came to me and then
as I'm reading it there's a little bit
more to it but you may have heard of
this I'm not sure but maybe this would
be some people who say that you can't
and I would engage this or preface this
by saying that it's a saint maybe people
would say you can't go into heaven until
the heavenly chords what does this
scripture mean I'm gonna start here this
is John 3:10 you are Israel's teacher
said Jesus and do not understand these
things I says verily very truly I tell
you we speak of what we know and we
testify what we have seen but still you
people do not accept our testimony I
have spoken to you of earthly things and
you do not believe how then will you
believe if I speak of heavenly things
which that that keep that right there is
very interesting but then it goes on to
say John 3:13 no one has ever gone into
heaven except the one who has come from
heaven the Son of man and so just as
Moses was lifted up as a snake in a
wilderness so the Son of man shall be
lifted up but just that and everyone who
believes in Him may have eternal life
but that scripture there John 3:13 no
one has ever gone into heaven except the
one who has came from heaven the Son of
Man what does that scripture mean to you
well number one when I think of that
it's it's interesting because we know
that Moses and Elijah and Enoch and so
we would have to have
a better context of that and we don't
really and the thing is I would say up
to that point that you know Jesus well
you go back to the the Tower of Babel
you know God stopped that because it was
not time there was too many things that
had not been done in Jesus Christ
himself enough you know come to pay for
the the sins in our timeline I mean he
obviously did it before the foundation
of the world but in our timeline he had
not yet done it so I believe that's part
of the reason that you know they were
not allowed to build that portal at
Babylon and besides that they had evil
intent I think all right I think you're
right as I'm going back a little bit
further this is Jesus talking to
Nicodemus and he's talking about the
difference between being born of the
flesh and being born of the Spirit and
then he goes upon who all everyone who
believes is born of the Spirit so you
kind of have to put on that true etheric
body and be born again to be able to
access those heavenly realms does that
make more sense maybe yeah what kind of
ties into what you were just saying
people trying to get their their own way
the scripture says that if you don't go
through the right gate that you're a
thief and a robber yeah like there is
protocol for a reason there's ways that
it has been done it is nothing to play
with it is a life that is set apart a
life unto holiness even in this protocol
and you can't just you can't just you
know I'm saying go there for fun on your
own accord you know what I'm saying so
that does that kind of make more sense
and what would you add to that well
absolutely I mean Jesus was our example
he was setting up the way he was showing
us the way you know that's what he you
know the whole movement back then was
called the way yeah he was showing us
the way in which we could begin to step
into the heavens and do what we were
called to do we you know Jesus being our
example he was only doing what he saw
his father do how because he was in the
heavens as well and I was going to say
if you're reading from the King James
Version you were looking at John and
Nicodemus the John 3:13 Jesus says no
man has ascended up to the heaven but he
that came down
heaven and then he says even the Son of
Man which is in heaven so even as he's
sitting there speaking to Nicodemus he's
saying well I'm here but I'm also there
so to understand that we exist in more
than one place at one time we do not
even understand the depth of who we
really are and what we're capable of and
Jesus said all the things that I did
you're gonna do and even more so we kind
of have a long ways to go because I
don't see too many people on the planet
consistently doing even what he did let
alone doing more so we need to believe
that's you know that's the bottom line
we need to be believing in what he said
we are capable of doing and start
practicing and walking it out are we
gonna mess it up are we gonna get it
right you know
fact is we won't mess it up occasionally
and we won't always get it right but the
fact is I know that where I'm at now
versus three years ago I am you know I
can't even measure the difference you
know and when I think about it where I'm
at today and you know signs wonders and
miracles I I'm not chasing those anymore
the only altima the only thing I want is
an intimate relationship with Yeshua
father and Holy Spirit that's what I
want and as I am working in that and
becoming who I really am
who ever really really AM which is fully
complete in Christ full of power and
authority hun percent confident all that
as I am becoming that here which I
already am there in Christ that I'm
beginning to walk this out and it comes
with humility is talking about this you
were saying something earlier as I
become more humble as a priest doing my
priestly part in you know being a
Melchizedek priest and in you know
saying hey there's Jesus how long do
this point the way to Jesus I'm not
trying to stand in the middle but I'm
pointing people to Jesus as I'm humbly
doing that taking attention off myself
to point people to Jesus and that
humility is seriously ingrained in my
heart as I go low
he gives me more and more power and
authority as a king and so my power and
authority will increase as I submit more
and more to his will because again Jesus
did what he saw his father doing we get
all excited and go running off doing our
own thing you know because we think it's
the right thing which it may be but did
we check with the father that's why the
third phone line is asked the father as
we think we're doing right and doing
well and you know it may be according to
the world but father likely has an even
better plan and it's better to check in
with him that's awesome I feel you on
that not chasing signs and wonders
there's some there's movements out there
and maybe this is just organic right
even what you find out about that that
exists you know you're like you always
want a prophetic word I mean we used to
chase that we wanted somebody to pray
for us and give us a prophecy like every
time there was a prophet in town we used
to go to just uh what was the call the
school is the spirit here and in mobile
and we had all the prophets who would
come down from all over Bob Jones and
was that a Bobby Connor I mean all the
Morningstar people you know they would
come and it was cool but we we just
that's what we did you know and people
wanted a word and you felt overlooked if
you didn't get a word and it's like we
got a word last week well I want one
this week too
you know I want a different word you
know you start seeking these signs and
seeking these wonders and yet they're
which they're out there man the Bible
says these signs shall follow those that
believe yeah yeah but you Tom I'm not
seeking it it come it turns around so
hold on my life is a sign in a wonder
here that I'm making that have influence
in the earth and that I have power and
authority and that we're helping people
and that God brought me from what I used
to be to where I am now a life
transformed is all the proof I need that
Christ is real and that he exists in it
even if he only exists in my heart he's
changed my life and he exists to me
that's my story and that's the only
proof I need at this point people want
to prove and get documents and try to
find the Shroud of Turin and it takes
different things for different people to
believe I'll believe it you know for
even Thomas I believe if I see the holes
in his hands let me see the holes in his
hands and I believe you know come on man
he said he was coming back no I want to
make sure that that's him I'm not gonna
he told his false prophets and all these
people were coming in his name saying
I am him I'm not just gonna follow
anybody let me see the holes in his hand
so it takes different things for
different people to believe but a life
laid down a life transform and someone
who is once dead and was now living
someone who couldn't look you in the
eyes and was demon-possessed and now
they can have a straight conversation
and now they're doing good works and
they're productive citizen on earth and
in the kingdom of heaven as well that
says all the miracles we need really
yeah yeah and yeah so I I definitely I'm
not into chasin signs and wonders and
miracles however I fully believe that as
I'm focused on on Yeshua the Father Holy
Spirit and what he's doing you know I'll
turn around and I'll find oh man look at
all those signs wonders and miracles
that are following me you know it's not
gonna be this big you know let's focus
on that I'm focusing on him and those
things will follow yeah yeah what's good
man and that's what it's supposed to be
like uh you know the signs and wonders
are there for a reason that they're
still here today for a reason Jesus
needed them for a reason the apostles
and prophets and disciples all needed
signs and wonders for a reason it's
interesting to note that that's a way to
win people over to let them know that
the divine here that if like except for
the unbeliever and I was just reading
yesterday I was again getting a teaching
together about Simon the sorcerer and it
was talking about how they were
preaching the gospel in performing signs
and wonders and because of the signs of
wonders people wanted to hear what they
had to say and hear the gospel so they
would go out and do these great feats
and healing all the sick and and lame
among them and because of that they've
got renown and rapport with the people
that they would listen to what they had
to say and again these signs shall
follow them that believe in my name
you'll do all these things and so it's
for us today they needed it
I believe we needed it and there's so
many times just throughout the
scriptures about how it was needed and
how we just opened the door even for
Jesus it opened the door to hear what I
had to say give them a prophetic word
hey I know where you was last night I
knew where you were six years ago I knew
where you were born you know all these
supernatural things about people that
they barely even know about themselves
but jeez
knew it and then it won them over hey
come see a man who told me everything
I've ever done we need to check him out
listen to him he's got something to tell
us you know we see how it works for the
unbeliever as well we had some other
questions here too and I'm curious but
what have you ever had we're talking
about the spirit realm right and so
people are asking and tying it in maybe
to the imagination we're talking about
the mind and in all of these things
exist in your mind or exist by faith or
you access them through the imagination
definitely but have you ever had any
experiences that crossed over any of
those signs of wonders again there's a
big movement or like the gold dust where
people are being prayer and gold will
form all over their hands and fall out
of their hair rubies and diamonds just
begin to fall out of thin air it's
claimed gold teeth appearing where
people have fillings and stuff like that
gold teeth are forming a lot of weird
stuff angel feathers falling I've never
had those type of encounters but there's
people who claim that but as far as
demons and angels and in that realm have
you ever been in a situation where they
crossed over into this realm where you
physically seen a demon or physically
seen an angel I know we see in the
spirit we've had many encounters
engaging the kingdom were going to but
as any of them ever crossed over to
where like a danger was standing in your
room not knew that they were there
because they're all around us at all
times anyway but when you was able to
see them chase me once it's true but no
you know the closest thing I would say
that comes to the physical was this I
was 21 years old I was like 20 I don't
know how many years ago that was but I
was in the mountains in the Sierra
Mountains dredging for gold and I had to
go I was working for two two older
gentlemen at the time and they is funny
because one of them came down and he
really believed in Bigfoot you know he
was a sincere believer in him said he'd
seen him once or twice you know in the
back then I was still really skeptical
so the way you dredge for gold is I had
another kid he was 18 he was with me and
we would literally be underwater for an
hour at a time we'd switch and then the
other one would go underwater for an
hour at a time and you know you're
sucking up the gravel anyway well I was
out sitting you know just watching him
watching the equipment I could hear this
whistling noise really strange whistling
noise in the woods and I thought wow
that is really weird I don't know what
that is I couldn't figure it out well
that night the owners come and he gives
us his - collie dogs - big dogs and he
says yeah I'm gonna leave these here for
the night and so he goes off and so
we're camped up there and we were
camping there for two months and during
that night excuse me um you know I don't
know I think was midnight one o'clock in
the morning and the dog starts barking
he's tied to my tent and both of them
are tied to my tent and they start
barking and I'm like what is going on
it's like whatever it is in the woods
you know they'll chase it away well I'm
listening and I could hear this thing it
was quite a ways off and it was breaking
sticks and you know come and you know
coming this way but I thought you know
bear deer or whatever it is the dogs are
gonna scare it off well I'm trying to go
back to sleep but the dogs keep barking
and this thing keeps getting closer and
they're just you know really riled up
just barking and yelling now we were in
an area and if you know California it's
got this fine dust in the summertime in
a lot of the areas where it's just I
mean we were fine dust all around us
everywhere when I say fine dust it means
it would have left footprints whatever
this thing was and so the dogs are
barking they literally start whimpering
and they start jumping on my tent and
I'm like what in the world by that time
I'm starting to panic so I'm you know
scrambling around trying to find a
flashlight in my tent and it sounds like
this thing is right on the edge of our
camp in our tents right there and the
dogs like I said they're whimpering
they're jumping on the on the tent and I
yell and I unzip the tent and I turn the
flashlight on and I stick it out there
nothing everything goes quiet
the dogs calm down and there's nothing
now that thing made a heck of a lot of
noise coming in it felt like it sounded
like it was a break
big sticks and stuff and I like you know
and then to have it nothing I mean it
did not make any noise going away you
know if it was something that big it
would have made noise going away and you
know that pretty much and the other
thing is my you know my friend my buddy
and the other tenth never heard a thing
with the dogs bark and all that much all
that loud never heard a thing and so to
me that was the closest physical
encounter that I could ever you know
talk about I've had lots of spiritual
things lots of spiritual things but but
that would have been the closest to a
physical one and I never never have
understood what that was so I don't know
if that's since some hairs on my back
there was a miracle that you were saying
something about supernatural means so
that's you know and I'm in this like we
talked about at the beginning I love to
engage the mind and understand why
people believe what they believe and in
your situation I after scrutinized and
look at all my encounters from a biased
standpoint and an unbiased and point and
and and in a rational standpoint even is
this that I want to believe it and I
experienced it because I wanted it
there's truth in that there's a lot
probably the majority of truth is in
that that I wanted it so much that I
willed it to happen right and we're
talking about creators and we create
experiences we create atmospheres we
create encounters and I believe them
that you can actually do it whatever
you're looking for you're gonna find
we've talked to people who have seen
fairies and demons and angels and other
been to other worlds and planets and
scope they they set the intention that's
what they wanted to do and they claim
that that's what happened because they
wanted it can I say one thing
just this because you know my spiritual
experiences when I step into the
spiritual realm and I go into the
heavens and I you know experience things
I absolutely believe that those are all
real because I
it's the power of the spirit engaging
now you know I can go up with a group of
people and which we do quite often and
we're all going to see different things
and that's the power and the glory of
God is that you know there are so many
different realms in fact I I you know I
believe there's infinite realms infinite
dimensions you know because God is
infinite so you know we'd like to put
our limits on and say there's 11
dimensions or there 63 dimensions is
like God can create a Z wants to that's
so funny when we go up we're gonna see
different things and it's okay it's the
beauty of God giving us what we need to
see or you know what he wants us to see
and I believe that in that some of those
experiences because I've had so many
experiences where it just blows my
theology out the window yeah but some of
those experiences are meant to get a
point across to me they're not meant to
be theological and and now and then some
of them are you know have a much more
relevant point and are much more real
and so you need to you know just ask the
father some of that stuff what is it is
it is this real is this you know
something I need to engage with or is
this getting a point across to me are
you trying to show me something
knowledge it can give you one for
instance at one point you know father
you know showed himself to me as this
massive glowing globe and he said step
into me and I'm like oh man this is
awesome so I stepped in expecting just
to be completely overwhelmed with you
know the love and joy and all this stuff
and I stepped in and all I felt was this
massive emptiness and I you know I'm
like father what's going on what is this
and he said I have poured everything out
into the universe that I can I have
given you all my love I have given you
everything you know the image he was
just showing how selfless he was he was
making a point he wasn't it wasn't a
theological thing he was making a point
to me that he had poured and given
everything of himself to the universe
because that's who he is he's a giver
yeah and that was the point it wasn't
that he's a big shining gold that's
empty he was making a point so we have
to just understand what is he doing is
he showing me something to make a point
or is this part of what's what's real in
heaven but one more point real quick is
that we have to be careful with this
movement because it is growing quickly
and there are people trying to step up
and say well I saw it this way therefore
everybody has to do it this way yeah at
least right now I'm opposed to that
because we all have our different
experiences yeah and I see people trying
to get everyone to come into alignment
with the way they do things and that is
just it's like creating another doctrine
for another church you kind of have to
do that to get you don't have to but
that's this the old way of doing things
too to get followers to build a church
after yeah and so you have to say stay
away from those guys because they do it
differently and even with something like
this being fringe as far as in the
Christian community and you'll see the
French people fighting
well they engage this way we engage that
way they incorporate so this is a good
way just to throw in there you guys are
have been engaging the trance state is
you cool with that word the trance state
it's a biblical word the answer is the
trance State is that something that you
would say you do I don't use that
language but you know it's in the
scriptures though right I was in a
trance on the Lord's Day and things like
that okay I use it anyway if it makes
sense you engage those realms you engage
a relaxed state heightened senses of
awareness you can't go in just in your
carnal mind you have to be having them
and it set the intention pray get into
worship you go into a trance when you do
that I don't care who you are this is
what happens but you guys are engaging
that realm through the breath as well
and I know there's been some mention of
the the wim HOF method as well talking
about that very powerful the breath is
I'm with it as well I love engaging
through the breath and the breath being
able to take you into those states
almost instantly exploring down through
the depths of your breathing which in
the scriptures the Spirit is the breath
it's the ruach ha'qodesh it is the UM
saying Numa and it's beautiful and you
can engage that way and it relaxes the
body we'll all of us have
and proper breathing the majority that
they were not even breathing correctly
the breath can come in and heal us
there's so much that unlocks just with
the breath and you guys are engaging
that so some people might say ok you
guys are doing it because the New Agers
do that too you know that the New Agers
engage with the breath so it's different
that you're doing you're doing it this
way and not our way or whatever but talk
about the breath a little bit what is
your experience with engaging God with
the breath because without it you don't
exist right you know I I haven't been
asked that question before I just would
have to speak from my personal
experience so that it's funny when I was
younger and people would say breathe you
know take a deep breath and like I just
like never were even shallow so but now
man it is like I can change things in an
instant just by and I just enter into
ages it almost immediately takes you
into a different state of rest in peace
and I really believe you have to be at
rest and peace in order to engage into
the the heavenly realm because if you're
striving it just doesn't work and even
when we used to teach on how do you hear
God let alone see and we teach on how do
you hear again same thing you've got to
let it flow you know four keys there
just to you know relax and enter in and
then you know begin to write what you're
getting and don't try to overthink it
because once you rationalize it and
start trying to logically figure things
out it's done because that's your carnal
mind trying to figure it all out
versus letting your spirit go and then
journaling that and then you can go back
and process it if you need to do that
but you try to do it in the moment
and you just shut the spirit off so yeah
the breath it is it is good it is
powerful the wim HOF stuff I've just
noticed it it's a it can give you a
physical kind of high you know so you
know you're not talking about using
drugs or anything but you know this is
stuff that the father is already given
to us and and when you look at the stuff
that when
has done and been able to do he's not
even a Christian and yet he's finding
all these different avenues to step into
greater levels of controlling the body
you know some people may say oh that's
witchcraft or you know whatever it's
like what do you mean it's your body and
God's given it to you we're supposed to
take care of it so looking for the
methods to do that what are they and the
problem is Christians for the most part
if it's done by somebody it's outside of
Christianity is like they think it's
wickedness and it's like no if there's
anything that is good and that works
it's of God
every good gift comes from above so we
need to look at things a little bit
different that's what I've done as I've
stopped looking at everything with this
you know idea that if it's not of God
it's it's evil or or I shouldn't touch
it but rather oh that's working whatever
they're doing there it's working so that
means it's got to have the the breath of
God on it so I'm gonna go bring that
back into this realm into my father's
around and start using it in order to
engage with him in a more powerful way
so I don't have a lot to say on the
breath but is powerful yeah it's
something is something new for
Christians to get into as well because
there's not a lot of info on it and I do
think that we're entering a new I don't
think we're entering in anything new let
me get that straight I think we're we're
having a revival of some of the things
that are very old that we're lost I
really believe that I don't think that
there's new ideas and these new
techniques and stuff I think they're
very ancient spiritual practices that
are our inheritance that we are
fearfully and wonderfully made that when
we breathe a certain type of way we
naturally get into a more relaxed state
focusing on your breath or taking that
deep breath and you instantly find
relief hey man take a chill pill take a
deep breath relax it's okay take a deep
breath you know and and and and just
engaging that but then going into the
scriptures and see what the scriptures
say about the breath which is very
interesting as well so I do some breath
work as well with my my team and and and
in our classes and my
clients and stuff like that we engage
with the breath early in to kind of
enter into that that stay and I love
doing different techniques and then
quoting the breath script the scriptures
in between so that's something I've been
doing I've only got a couple but I'm
like you know what I got to get more
because I really like let's do this
technique and I'll just quote that
scripture do another technique quote
that next scripture but it's very
powerful and we see a lot of different
people using it and just because it's
being used in the wrong way or it's
being used by a different community
doesn't mean it's not not true or and
again like I said I mean even that word
trance is all throughout the king the
King James so I'm like you know what I'm
gonna use it and I'm gonna feel they
were I think they practiced it man
that's the difference though because
like most of Christendom would when we
talk about the trance state they would
think that they were just walking going
to the store going cut my groceries for
the week and God sucked them into a
trance
and they're in the trance and they think
oh God opened up their ears of
understanding I want to speak to you and
use you they think that that's how it
happened and maybe there are some cases
where that's happened definitely Apostle
Paul and things like that but
Christianity comes from from the east
man it was a spiritual practice these
guys in the Bible I think they're more
spiritual than any New Ager you can
think of I think that they have more
authority they know who they are and we
as believers should be engaging that as
well that's my belief I believe that
they practiced with meditation I believe
that they practice mindfulness of
getting in in the prayer room for hours
on end
they weren't just saying god I pray for
Gill pray for his family prayer for his
mother pray for this pray for that ask
you to give me a new camel you know I
don't think they were doing that yeah we
really see what was going on and we get
some scriptures here and there we don't
just get this whole world view of their
spiritual life we get little pictures of
it and so when we do it's some very
intense stuff that they were doing you
know Jesus was meeting with Moses and
Elijah Apostle Paul talks about
traveling back and forth from heaven
and so real not knowing if they took
their bodies with them or if they went
with their body and was translated or
just in the spirit you know so there's
some things that just kind of paint a
beautiful picture they're at least
asking questions and stuff like that so
it's really cool one other thing I'd say
is in this whole thing of you know
stepping into the spirit and in in in
moving in the heavenlies one of the
things that people have to do I believe
is they have to honor it they have to
value it you know if you're poopoo and
the whole idea you're probably never
gonna step into it but if you value it
and honor it you have to start you know
believing it and if someone says there's
an angel standing beside you you honor
that in you you know by turning in and
just believing whether you see it or not
but that you believe you honor it and as
you do that I believe you begin to open
up that that gate so that you can begin
to see and engage with the heavenly
because if you if you don't believe it
and if you poopoo the whole idea yeah
you're you're probably not going to be
able to engage with it yeah that's I
mean the Scriptures let us know the
whole definition of faith is believed
you know evidence and and belief in the
things unseen and then having it having
evidence for it once we believe in it if
you don't believe in it you're not going
to receive it you know the world
believes in it in a way too like if I if
I can see it then I believe it if you
can prove it to me and show it to me
I'll believe it but God operates off of
faith and it's an expectation so that if
I can believe it then I can receive it
and so it works hand in hand that way
that if we can our expectation brings
about our manifestation and it really
does work that way I had a couple more
different questions that we kind of
passed up or whatever do you have
anything else you wanted to speak on
that we didn't touch on okay well so
I'll do this and I want to put this out
there for those watching live I'm trying
something new when I'm trying that while
we're on the air in our discord
community which there's a link in the
description on YouTube click that I
opened up a new tab call
the questions tab if someone can at
least try it out and if you have a
question for Gil or myself jump in that
questions tab and I believe you should
be able to come on the podcast and ask a
question that way somebody do that for
me who's listening there on discord
that'll be awesome the question I had
for you which was when we're talking
about signs and wonders now a lot of
people are accused of and said that oh I
just saw a name out there we'll look at
somebody who who I really like his work
or his walk David Hogan so many miracles
I mean raising the dead he's raised 200
people from the dead plus you know
supposedly and so many miracles of
people having broke arms and he's just
fixing it God snapping it back together
these crazy miracles he's in a place
where he can see him he's in the jungles
of Mexico and so they um you know
somebody dies over there there they keep
him in the back room until they have the
you know I'm saying the burial so it's
like hey where's your where's your dead
uncle he's in the back room okay let me
pray for him and he go in and pray and
supposedly he's raised 200 plus people
from the dead he goes around the world
sharing these stories and he's got so
many more um some people have said that
he's there's no way maybe he's making it
up some people have questioned well
maybe he's making it up to build the
faith of the people maybe he's making
these experiences up to trick people
that was done in in in the biblical
times they had different wells and
things that would spew forth and water
would come out or there was statues that
would talk and stuff like that right and
it would build the people's faith and
they expected it and we know that
expectation brings about manifestation
maybe in that lying wave and it would
seem like you're deceiving the people
it's done for like the means to an end
that I'm gonna do this because you're
gonna believe and it's gonna change your
life or whatever the case is right David
Hogan a lot of people's kind of thought
that man it's a little bit too much
maybe he's making it up there was this
other guy now this video went viral I
don't know if it's
get a copyright strike for playing this
I'll just play a second of it this is
the guy
Elias our girelli oh he he went viral
back this is back in 2010 let me see how
I can share this with the Internet and
us too so he went viral back in 2010 for
doing a worship setting in his home and
he said he's worshiping the Lord and
he's recorded angels singing back to him
I want to believe I want to believe
here's my thing I want to believe I want
to believe the new ages
I want to believe the new ages who say
that they are engaging with aliens and I
got what to believe that it's like
that's possible even right so when I
hear something beautiful like this I
want it I want him to be telling the
truth I want angels to be engaging this
guy and praying and singing to him
essentially so I'm gonna play this you
should be able to hear it I have my
audio sync the word should share but he
I seen this early on but this blew up he
was one of many Christian talk shows he
was all over the place to me though my
scrutiny is it sounds like since I do
audio engineering and things like that
it sounds like that it's uh let's see
it's it sounds like it's like an echo
like a reverb that's playing over and
over and Roma jump to you here in a
second
it's not like a reverb with chorus and
delay on it and you can do pitch and
harmony detectors and stuff that's what
it sounds like to me but I want it tight
real I'm just gonna play
Comerica Duvall he may add more ahmad
abu can make out before
Oh
d
being nothing
the
I just I know technology I know I can I
can recreate that very easily with
residents but I mean what I want it to
be real though what what would you say
well are you familiar with the story of
the Jason Jason Upton and his fly yep
that you know that sound there I mean it
makes me think of that his music his
song fly and I and I had the video of
the guy explaining what had happened you
know so you got somebody you got
testimony you got several testimonies
there that's the other thing is with
this there's a several testimonies of
different people experiencing what took
place with the Jason Upton's recording
of that and of the song fly so of you
look look in YouTube for the explanation
and then listen to the song and just
like that you hear it and it's powerful
and you know if you believe the
testimony the testimony is the sound guy
is trying to figure out what's that
noise yeah trying to you know going
through everything and he's a good sound
guy so he knows what he's doing but he
can't pull it out and it's powerful it's
really powerful so I I can well and
that's that this is testimony to what
you were just saying because I've heard
that story and I've heard that over and
over and I love that and it's just you
know you just finsihed it just what I do
Jason Upton yeah yeah it's good yeah
yeah you know and so we get to believe
what we want there's people who are
listening right now who you can't tell
them that that's not an angel speaking
or singing right yeah but then again
there's people who are like now not
buying it it's resonance I know how to
do that I can recreate it analytical
mind I have the analytical mind but I
want it to be real you know right and
like I want to be wrong so I'm going to
say that one of the most massive changes
for me that helped open me up so that I
could receive this healing and
everything that I'm experiencing which
is absolutely 100% wonderful I had to
give up my skepticism now it doesn't
mean I totally give up you know thinking
things through
but skeptic studies everything in order
to figure out how to get rid of it and
if that's we were point of view you know
what basically a father said to me one
day he just said if you if you want to
miss out on all the good things I have
for you then continue being a skeptic
and you will because I would study
everything to figure out how to get rid
of it rather than now when something
comes to me and I don't understand it
even like that you know I'm not gonna
say a hundred percent that that's an
angel I'm gonna put it in my faith
warehouse you know I got a government
warehouse Indiana Jones type warehouse
where I just store all the stuff that I
don't 100% know but I put it over there
and I'll wait for God to bring it out
but I can tell you already that just has
a resonance to me that no it's like I'm
really beautiful you know there's tones
and stuff and a lot of people are
talking about these tones the 432
frequency and there's different tones
and they put them in like um say
meditation music and worship music that
taketh you a place by traveling on that
tone I'm gonna stop there we're not
gonna go any deeper let's do another
episode we'll do it but yeah so there's
tones and maybe even that those angelic
frequencies whether the angels are
speaking those heavenly tones some
people call even have call it the key of
David there's a keys and feel that yeah
that I'll open up that divine realm to
us whether that kid knew it or that
program did it or the angels were
speaking through that there does it's
doing something to you I get chills by
hearing it just because I want it to be
real
my again again I approach it with the
skepticism as just like doubting Thomas
like I want I'm telling you like I want
it to be real like I want it I'm hoping
that it's real you know what I'm saying
versus like show you why it's wrong you
know I anymore I approach it almost the
opposite where I'm going to give it the
benefit of the doubt and I'm gonna honor
it
and in my studying to prove that you
know to see the evidence that it's good
and real if I find out it's not then
it's not but I'm gonna study to see how
it fits universes study to see how I can
get rid of it um yeah so and it makes me
think of a you know God asked me to kind
of rub shoulders with this guy who was
really really good with money you know
he's he's a pastor of a small church but
he's paid off you know twenty eight cars
you know people that he's
paid their car off or bottom a car 28
cars mortgages churches he you know it
just story after story after story and
father said I want you to rub shoulders
with him because I want you to get that
you know that frequency of his faith and
so I did and that was one of the big
major shifts for me in the finances
because shortly thereafter our Father
said it's time for you to trust me then
you go full-time and ministry and we you
we were thousands of dollars of short of
having enough to pay the bills but we
made the commitment and for three years
he's just constantly provided father has
constantly provided for us because of
that you know face because you believe
them you believe that it was possible
because you've heard a testimony and you
join your faith with someone who was
actually doing it I come out of the
charismatic movement and and that stuff
and that we were and I've been a
minister that a lot of churches doing
sharing my story and doing gospel music
and we rubbed a lot of shoulders with
the prosperity gospel and and in the
Western Church and a lot of that is
demonic they overdo it you're not you
never you never content with the things
God has given you you always want more
there's always a higher position there's
always more money and it's just it's
weird you seek after money those who
seek after money will never be fulfilled
but those who seek after the Lord will
always have enough and so there's this
weird pursuit there so we preached
against it I got songs preaching against
it
I studied the Bible about poverty about
how the disciples were poor and we're
not supposed to have anything and they
had no place to lay their head and they
they had no home and I believe that and
that became my gospel and I started like
this was okay like the suffering servant
and I know people who took vows of
poverty because of scriptures they've
read and they don't own anything because
the Bible says oh no man nothing I'm not
gonna come into a mortgage agreement I'm
not gonna owe you you know for this to
pay for this car note because the Bible
says oh no man nothing so they take
they've literally went to the government
and have signed a contract of a vow of
poverty it's a thing
where they live don't they live once
a little bit piece of land that they
have and they don't even have to pay
taxes at some weird loophole but not was
against the money thing and so that was
a too far left right versus the world
we're supposed to be in God you know
this this doesn't happen what we're
doing right now it doesn't happen
without money it happened without a
budget it doesn't happen without the
internet or these lights or whatever the
case is and so you have to have a right
understanding about money and so I had
an understanding that money was wicked
money is the love of money is the root
of all evil
you know the deceitfulness of riches and
I had all the scriptures I still got
them written down like we used to preach
this openly and craziness now but you
come into this right understanding of
about it about how God you know uses
money he wants to bless you he wants you
to enjoy life right you can enjoy
everything he's given us and enjoy you
know I'm saying
company community a nice meal you know
what I'm saying that the Sun set the
stars enjoy everything and just be at
peace with everything in the in the
world man and that's that's really
godliness with contentment is great gain
and I think that's what it's talking
about so can I get a plug for a book
okay you're on the topic no plugs we got
a UH nah go ahead you get the book by
Alexander Lloyd
it's called the love code and this has
just been so so powerful it kind of just
what you were talking about it helps
bring you to a place now he's he used to
be a Christian he's still a follower of
Yeshua but he's he doesn't you know go
for the church doctor and think they're
but powerful powerful stuff on helping
us understand that as long as we're
trying to reach for an external goal
that you know if I can have enough money
that I'll pay off all my bills and I'll
have peace or if I can have that right
relationship that I'm going to have love
it's all these external things really
does a great job of exposing it and then
for me it was understanding that in
Christ I'm completed in Christ I am love
joy and peace I don't have to go
searching outside to try to find any of
that I'm content with who I am and who
he created me to be and I get to rest in
that
just no really that's good man you got
you do you have to come to that
understanding there's nothing outside of
you you don't need that's the whole
thing that's that's the whole thing of
Christ in the kingdom with Dennis now we
don't need anything they're selling us
come here to see God hey come meet this
priest come meet my pastor cut me hold
on he's given us everything we need the
kingdom is within that we can commune
and boldly come before the throne of God
within we don't need anything outside of
ourselves and that's it Jesus took the
power away from that structure man well
you had to pay those people and all this
other stuff that was going on man and
that's what that's what was different
about the kingdom of heaven that Christ
preached we do have someone in the the
question here now so this is something
new I'm trying out for the first time
Andrew I'm gonna go ahead and jump to
your question here so hopefully you hear
me Andrew can you hear me Andrew we're
losing a brother mmm I can't hear him I
don't know if he's talking or not I
heard him a while ago I did too maybe
you're muted Andrew anybody else who has
a question or it lishus wants to say
hello just to make sure that this
feature works this is something new jump
in this voice channel in and say hello
so yeah I mean going back to the the
signs and wonders saying that people
would would you know do stuff like that
that they knew that they were been in
the truth to get people to believe
because they'd seen the fruit what's up
man can hear you're a head mute or
there's garner can you hear me garner
yes I had distinguished between what was
live and what was playing on the podcast
you can hear it go yeah great what's up
Chris bro you gotta always add in to the
podcast in the chat holding it down do
you have a question for Gil or something
to add to the conversation they don't
have a question so much I think
he's done a great job and you've done a
great job of covering just about
everything we could ask Gil I appreciate
you being here and sharing your story
with us thank you also yeah I think
thanks for jumping in and helping me
figure out if this feature works thank
you
I don't hear Gil through here though oh
you don't he'll that's good okay that's
why I didn't do it the first time I
don't know how I could change that hmm
interesting
thanks for letting me know though I had
to figure out a way to make that happen
hmm thank you guys all right brother
peace okay so well anyway
you heard him so you know he can
obviously go back and if he had a
question you could ask it and then how
often hear the answer that's what he's
doing yeah yeah okay cool yeah let's see
what else I have so I got ink okay so I
guess the last thing I think would be
good to end on would be what would be a
tutorial if someone is brand new to this
and they want to engage the kingdom of
heaven they want to engage to heavenly
in courts they want to engage Jesus what
would be a way to do that in your
opinion and do they need to be a
Christian do they need to acknowledge
Christ first huh so how would what would
they do and do they need to be a
Christian first before they even tried
something like this you know just to
keep it in simple terms I would say yes
but you know we're using the word
Christian and you know I had Yana
Sanders dr. Yanna Sanders is a Hebrew
scholar she was on yesterday and she was
reminding us that Jesus was not a
Christian he was a Hebrew and so anyway
believer yeah you would definitely need
I think you yeah you would definitely
need to be a believer because he's the
door and if you want to enter in through
the full power and authority and not get
kicked out eventually you know because I
do believe that if eventually the issue
is going to you know kick people out you
know because they they've got to use the
door he is the door now when I say that
if you have an understanding of the
Christian
understanding of the restoration of all
things saying he loves you you know
there's there's nothing nothing you can
do to cause him not to love you and so
here's I guess here's one of the things
I would I see and that is a a lot of
people in New Age and in the occult and
so forth have have gone that way because
they see the power they see Authority
they see things they're that they're
they're looking for and I believe that
the ones that are that are humble that
are searching and they have a true a
truth heart a heart of truth that when
it comes to time when it comes time to
realize that oh really there's there's a
there's an entity that if I want to walk
in this in the fullness that there's an
entity that I have to submit to what
they're walking in humility that would
be no problem you know to me you know to
think of somebody that's walking in
humility they gladly submit to that
authority in order to you know step in
and to be all that they can be to be all
that is there for them to engage with
but yet you know I think if there's
people that are just searching for power
they're just they're searching for
Authority you know their their egos in
the way then they're probably not going
to want to submit because otherwise why
wouldn't you want to submit he's a
loving God if you know problem is that
so many have distorted who God is yeah
that they don't see him as a loving God
but he is and I would just say if you've
been taught differently please just go
back and look at it again find some
people that walk into love and know him
who loves all and begin to engage again
at that level because he is a God of
love
Love Wins love never fails it casts out
all fear he has your best in mind and
you're not going to do anything and you
haven't done anything that could ever
cause him to not love you or to you know
cast you aside my personal opinion is
that yes there is a hell and it's a
burning hell but it's the father as a
consuming fire that is refining those
who you know didn't know him you know
before but he's refining them and
bringing out his love and he's burning
out all the all the pain and the the you
know the stuff that we've held on to
that have kept us separate from him and
so that's
I believe that he's eventually going to
win because well never fails and he will
win your heart and it'll be in a good
way it's not going to be in a forceful
way you will not force you or take away
your freedom of choice but I think love
wins and so I don't what was your
question I mean that's a good way to
preface the beginning of it so the
second part would be okay so how would
you come into a relationship with with
Christ so because there'll be people who
will say like okay I believe in Jesus
they don't know the Christianese they
don't know the Christian experience but
they're new to it how how do i align
with what you believe
I want all that God has for me I want to
experience Christ how do you do that do
you is there a certain prayer because
there's a lot of debate about the
sinner's prayer and there's a lot of
debate about how to do it and you must
repent then you must be baptized and you
must be this and then you must be born
again what would that look like in I'm
saying simplistic terms because I really
do think it is simple we complicate it
simple terms some how would that look
like for somebody who wants to kind of
come into relationship so that they can
engage their father yeah you know I I
need more experience within you know
leading people to Christ in this matter
but I can tell you that on I don't think
the sinner's prayer is you know the key
I believe an engagement with him so if
it's something you were interested in
and as far as coming to Christ it's just
a matter of saying you know closing your
eyes and believe that you can just step
into the spirit because you are spirit
whether you are follower of Christ or
not you have a spirit and it has come
from the Father so just to say you know
Yeshua I want to submit myself to you
and I want to engage with you and I want
to learn from you because to me the only
thing that's going to change a person's
heart and really guide them correctly is
a true encounter with you know the
father yoshua or Holy Spirit and to
begin to get to knowing that way and
then start you know reading the
scriptures there's there's truth there
that is going to help help you
understand things better but honestly
you know the first step is just an
engagement with with the Yeshua with the
Holy Spirit with father in
spirit engine and then listen to what
they have to say and I I can guarantee
you if it's if it's not coming out in
love maybe connected in the wrong area
or you may have some gates that you need
to clear up and we talked about that in
our in our in our course but but yeah
it's just it's always going to be love
it's never going to be condemnation
there is no condemnation in Christ so if
you're feeling condemned that's not of
God and just be looking for what issue
has to say about you asking what do you
think about me
that's a good question that's always a
good question Yeshua what do you think
about me Yahweh what do you think about
me and it will always be powerful love
and again if it's not then probably
connected to something else that the
enemy is trying to distort so I just
would also say just say I want to go in
you know I want to come into the spirit
but I want to do it in you you I want to
come through you as the door and to me
that's a pretty good protector it's not
a you know not 100% because we can still
have stuff in its thing you know steers
us off but but I always go in through
your shoe WA and in Christ I go into the
heavens that way okay that encounters
what's important okay so with you how do
you do that
so do you start you put on some worship
music do you relax do you China maybe do
a couple deep breaths and breathe or you
just start talking to God telling them
how lovely he is like how does that how
would they start something like that is
there any music involved it is it a
prerequisite do you need music like I I
would say yes to about everything you
said there's the thing is you you've got
to find out what works for you
if frequence I use frequency music I use
frequency music to engage and that just
helps but I can be driving down the road
and I can engage some people are gonna
find it really easy
others are gonna struggle a little bit
with it just to believe and to step in
and to to you know by faith just know
that he's there
100 percent you can believe he's there
and just begin to engage and let it flow
don't try to analyze it and try to get
logical about it was that me
was that you I can tell you you know you
have the divine in you the scripture
says that you are you know you are
already participant of the divine it is
you know Holy Spirit is in you you know
when you receive Jesus you're receiving
the Holy Spirit and whether you
understand how it works and everything
perfectly none of us do but you know you
just begin to engage and trust that
you're you're moving in you know
something that he is divinely set up so
that we could engage so I don't you know
I don't know if that helps I I actually
need more ya know that's the beginning
but then what the you know if you can
find a mentor I think that can be
helpful but make sure it's a mentor not
someone who's telling you that you got
to do this and you got to do that you
got a measure up you you know if you get
sucked into all the rules and
regulations again then you know you're
kind of gonna be so there has to be some
visualization there though right of like
seeing yourself or maybe entering in
with in teaching at first or they just
say hey God I'm just open I want to
travel with you I want to engage your
courts and then you just close your eyes
and go within is that kind of how it
works so do you visualize something I'm
just trying to make it practical for
people so I know what to focus on or
should they just focus on the blackness
I try to push every thought out of my
head because I start thinking about how
clock works how a dishwasher operates
the dirt the clothes that are on the
floor I need to fold like I start
thinking about that so I have to push
everything out the way okay focus on him
so how does that how would that work
this is how we've taught people and
again I know that there are some people
that struggle I've met you know a
handful of people that just have not
been able to enter in but most people
can and so you know a way to start you
know it could be just to you look around
your room that you're in right now and
then just go ahead and close your eyes
and then picture that room that you're
in right now with your eyes closed
because that's your spirit engaging
because your physical eyes aren't seen
and that your spirit engaging and then
what you can do is take and just ask
Jesus where are you in this room mm-hmm
and ask where is he and in
even if you have to see a picture maybe
you see I'm sure you've seen a picture
of Jesus if you can just visualize that
picture and to see Jesus and then to ask
him and this is something Chris Carter
does all the time and I like it and then
he says once you've once you've
established where Jesus is in the room
then you say do you want to come to me
or you want me to come to you and and
then you know you eventually want to
come together and get a hug from Jesus
man get a hug and just be able to engage
with him and to ask him what do you
think of me and and eventually you're
gonna come to that place where you're
gonna want to lay down everything that
you are and invite him to be Lord of
your life to be the king to be the to be
the lord of your life and let him begin
to share with you the things that he has
designed you for so that you can be all
that you're called to be I don't look
that makes sense it does um Karen Britt
here and get in the comment section says
uh let's do it now always want to engage
and so you can do you really have to go
in deep or their levels to it like you
told me while you're driving is that
safe to do like if people are driving
listening to this and we would say hey
just imagine yourself how does that work
you know again I'm not one to to want to
put stipulations on how people are going
to engage the important thing is for
each person to engage at whatever level
and how it works for them you know it
took me a while but I got to where you
know I can engage with my eyes open and
ultimately I want to you know I am
living it now but my my goal was to live
an ascended life where I am picturing
and seeing everything from my heavenly
perfected self in Christ and that is Who
I am
everything else is a matrix of lies
placed over me and so part of them you
know the the work is to break off all
these lies because of who I truly am is
in Christ and I'm perfect and I'm
everything is complete there so I am
focused on living from that perspective
and bringing that down into the earth
that's ultimately where I think we
want to get to and now do I do it
perfectly no but I'm you know that's my
goal is to continue operating therein to
do it better and better but every one of
us are going to have different levels
that we're going to work at and you need
to just ask the Father what is the best
way for me and the thing is what works
right now to get begin the process for
you to step in you know next month it
may not work and father will say we'll
try this or do this and so don't get
stuck in a rut or a routine of how to do
things now if it works for you and you
like it and you want to keep doing it do
it but you know just again be free to
experiment and just do it in the issue
and do it in Christ ask you know just
say Jesus I want you to come into my
heart and and part of you being in my
heart is I'm gonna be a new that's
scriptural so we are one and I'm going
to operate from you from now on and you
are my lord so tell me you know what is
the father doing how do we want to
proceed and just listen let him begin to
speak to you and and you may see things
or you may hear things you may get
impressions when people say I heard God
say a lot of times are they're talking
about an impression you know an
impression upon their spirit they're not
hearing an audible voice they're not
seen with their physical eyes you know
so don't get hung up on the language in
the scent you know the semantics
semantics of you know what people are
saying just look at what works for you
to engage with you know the Father Son
and Holy Spirit it's awesome um I
recently started getting into recording
my own guided meditations and so the
first one idea was really powerful being
able to kind of go in for myself commune
with the Father with intention say okay
Lord I'm bringing them to you and it was
this whole journey
it's a guided meditation I'm taking you
on a trip through the actually the
tabernacle of Moses and you get to see
the Holy of Holies you see people is
there right so taking them on this
journey there's sound effects there's
children playing you engage other people
I hired voice actors like I really got
involved with it and it turned out to be
really awesome but yeah
I would I would be in the spirit
communing with the father and say okay
Lord well what do you want to tell him
tell him I love him tell him I brought
them to this hour and you know um this
tell him that and it's like it was just
like it was a revelation from God it was
beautiful and it was recorded you can go
back and listen to it and so many people
have have listened to that and just came
back in tears like oh my god this is the
best meditation that I've ever heard and
it's like man it's like an encounter
that I created an atmosphere to channel
the father's heart what he would say to
the listener do you guys practice I
don't know if you want to call it guided
meditation but we're like one person
leads and say okay I'm gonna lead us in
and as we ascend up and move past the
clouds and we engage the father and do
is there something like that cuz I'll
notice some of y'all services there's
it's something similar to that the all
that can one person and take a big group
of people by letting them know what they
see what to expect because you're good
at it you know what to expect you know
what we're gonna see and essentially I'm
creating it but I'm just letting you
know what I'm experiencing as well as we
ascend yeah so we we've actually for the
last two weeks that are at our you know
service Kingdom equipping center service
we've used dissensions rather than
worship music and it's works great but
if someone has trouble engagement it can
be a little little challenging but the
thing that we tell everybody is hey if
fathers if father wants to take you on a
different journey
feel free go you know don't don't be
limited to what we're doing here and
then we would we go ahead and enter in
we have a lot of small groups to our
ultimate impact you know series and
because we're all about doing it as the
ecclesia and doing it in groups and that
when we do it in our groups it's
generally not one person leading we are
all on it together and it's so so
powerful I mean I can't express how how
exciting it is because you know your
faith wouldn't just go up you know
exponentially because people are seeing
things that you're seeing and you're
seeing it at the same time and it's like
before you can even say what you saw
someone else saw
like whoa now you know that you're in
the same place together in the spirit
and it's powerful so you know we do that
as a group and I believe that in a group
you've got your portal Holy Spirit
connected to the kingdom realm and then
you've got the other people so if you
got two people now you've got twice as
much but if you got a third person now
it's four times as much
you got a fourth person that's it's
exponential and so the portal just it
just makes it so much easier to to ass
in however the key is learning to ascend
on your own so you may need the group to
get started but learning to do it on
your own is the key because that's where
you're going to build an intimate
relationship with him so we've got
people that do guided meditation toward
fact my wife has you know meditate on me
calm she's had that up for four years I
think and she's got several hundred
meditations on there where she guides
people through and it uses frequency
music in the background and in her voice
is very wonderful to listen to but she's
just helping you engage with Father Son
the Holy Spirit and then she's got
someone you know weight loss and stress
in all these different areas where she
takes you in but you're the one that's
having the experience she's just kind of
occasionally saying something to keep
your mind on the meditation not on the
clothes that need to be washed not on
the dishes and if you know because that
happens that it's a struggle for all of
us but yeah it's it's it's great I again
I don't want to tell everybody how you
know that there's one way to do it the
only thing I would say is do it through
Yeshua that would be the only thing I
would I would say do it through Yeshua
we have a question from was not like
some more of a comment from Charlie Anne
says it works and the funny thing is
they do it in churches all the time but
then say it's evil if you call call it
this or that terminology yeah I'm saying
like so the like but that's with
anything that's gonna have that with
churches but you're gonna have that with
the New Age community you're gonna have
that with different churches you're
gonna have that everywhere like people
want to
be right they want to feel like they're
doing it the right way so and if you're
doing it any other way
I mean that's that's something natural
that people do but I wonder if we get to
the bottom of it you know is it the same
thing or is it is it different but you
know in entering in through love
entering in through Christ but you only
can teach it the way you know it right
and the way that you're gonna be okay
this way is it works for you you know
it's so therefore you can't teach
another way right it would be silly to
teach another way it's something that
doesn't work you know yeah at the same
time we you know my wife and I anyway we
try to expose people to the different
ways because you're exactly right we
teach what works for us and but at the
same time we you know we'll name off
Mike Parsons and Ian Clayton and all
these other people that are different
all right what's that they do it a
little bit differently yeah I mean we
all do it differently that's the beauty
I mean when you know here's the thing is
when we really begin to know who we
really are we have a confidence and a
love and a freedom that allows us to
give other people freedom you know it's
like we don't have to control them and
say well you got to do it this way you
know it's like yeah try it you know
somebody else is doing it differently go
for it see if it see if it works for you
and if it does do that if it doesn't
keep looking yeah because there's
something out there that's gonna work
for you and again the biggest thing is
Yeshua doing it in Christ so that you're
going through the right door and you
have full authority in that place and
you shoe and you're submitted to him as
Lord and you're looking to see what the
father's doing now just ease for me it's
more than just having this experience
with them this mental picture like yeah
I access like nonchalantly went to the
courts have haven't seen Jesus in the
Angels talk to God whatever I people are
having strongholds demonic possession
fall off of them as they're engaging
with the holy spirit right so whatever
obviously whatever they need the Lord's
gonna meet them where they are to get
that Avenue to that vehicle so as
they're go to pressing into the presence
of God and through the presence of God
all of that stuff can fall off so you
have you had people that they may
just break out in tears they start
crying they start shaking speaking in
tongues they have any like a really deep
profound encounter versus hey that was a
good meditation you name it
I mean seriously they we've had people
you know crying and just set free you
know now we've done my wife and I've
done a lot of court sessions to help
people engage and start the process but
our whole purpose is is teaching them
how to do it on their own now our you
know we live in community for a purpose
and that part of that is that we can't
have people come around us and help us
at times when we're having trouble so
you know it's not about you know going
it alone all the time but it is
important for us to learn how to do it
on our own and to take responsibility
and to go into the courts to deal with
our stuff and and yet at the same time
you know if people need to come to you
or to us or to anybody else in order to
get launched do it do what you got to do
to get engaged and to get on the road in
the path that Yeshua has for you because
I feel like we we spend so much time
kind of dilly-dallying around them on
different things and too afraid to be
who we are created to be that we never
get to be who are created to because
we're worried about what other people
think and you know whether it's being
done yeah you know the exact right way
yeah believe me Father has grace yeah
father has a lot of grace for I mean
infinite grace for each and every one of
us it doesn't make it cheap it was very
expensive
greasy grace so we want to honor that
grace and do our best to you know find
our place in the body you know find out
who God made us to be and get in and
start having enjoying life we will enjoy
life the focus when we have figured out
where we belong in the body and it
doesn't mean we are leaders of anything
and everything all the time because
that's what the world is trying to
convince everybody you're all leaders
and you need to be the CEO like now me
done that's that's positional prejudice
is what that is positional prejudice is
saying that the janitor is less than the
CEO as I come on people
we all have our place in the body and
the janitor has just as much honor in
the body of Christ as the CEO we just
have different response
yeah it's good stuff brother well I
appreciate you coming on man I really
enjoyed this talk Tommy go ahead and
plug your website you got courses and
and things available to really engage to
heavenly courts and and you guys go live
how many times y'all go live a week on
on Facebook and YouTube but starry times
a week on Kingdom talks yeah so Mondays
and Fridays at 5:00 p.m. Pacific time
and Wednesdays at 1:00 p.m. specific
Pacific time and then our course that we
have is you can find it at ultimate
impact movement calm our and then
Kingdom the our Kingdom Kingdom talks is
you can find that at Kingdom talks
Mediacom
and then our church expression is
Kingdom equipping center calm so I think
that covers most of it and then there's
meditate on me calm my wife's meditation
site which actually people get on the
ultimate impact and the in that series
they get to meditate on me for free and
that usually gets more praise than
anything else that it's just it's just
sweet her voice is sweet people love it
so it's good stuff yeah
thank you and as well I honor you and
thank you for being someone who's in my
life
godly influence and godly counsel and I
you know I'm honored to call you a
brother and fight this battle with you
man thank you so much for hanging out
with me
all right we'll bless you you are such a
blessing thank you we'll definitely do
it again god bless bro all right take
care bye bye Gil Hodges ladies and
gentlemen kingdom equiping center.com
believe that's it
type his name in Gil Hodges on Facebook
YouTube it'll all come up check it out
they go live several times a week as
well really good stuff and really
believe in that man and the work that
he's doing and he believes in me
who'da thunk it good stuff I love it
thank you guys for hanging out with me I
got a run off of here I got to go on a
little road trip we're going to see the
band tool so I'm excited about that
yeah if you guys want to support the
work that I'm doing head on over to my
patreon there's a lot of cool stuff and
I'm putting up a lot more a bunch of
really cool stuff over there you get
access to my entire discography of music
our Thursday night school of the Mystics
the discord links are there to join our
discord and in Sundays we have the
Sunday morning seer class so if you want
to work in a smaller group of people
that's $12 per week we have a small
group for our Sunday seer class if you
want to be a part of that it's all the
infos at patreon patreon comm backslash
true seeker without further ado I'm
gonna go ahead and wrap this up I
enjoyed it I hope you did too
peace and Shalom guys we'll do it again
that does it for this episode folks to
hear more episodes of the truth seeker
podcast head over to Jessica calm and if
you wanted to support the show and get
rewards go to our patreon page at
patreon.com forward slash truth seeker
you