Gnostic's, Jesus and The Ancients

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In this episode of The TruthSeekah Podcast TruthSeekah speaks with Tait Zinszer about Gnostic’s, Jesus and The Ancients.I really enjoyed this discussion with Tait as we had a lot in common, especially our past time in christian evangelicalism. Once you start going deeper within the Biblical mysteries you end up finding out about ancient truths that were once practiced and believed by the early church. These truth seem to reiterate themselves through the entirety of scripture but remain hidden to those who only approach the Bible from a literal view point. The strange thing is that the more you study you end up finding these truths are evident throughout many ancient religions of antiquity. This usually leads to the study of syncretism and finding out the similarities within the majority of religious doctrines. Although names and titles may change from book to book there is an essence that remains constant throughout the spiritual and allegorical interpretations of the texts. This is what the early Essenes and Gnostic groups believed, that we must first cater to the inside of man and his spiritual life to be able to bring order to the minute things we face on the outside in our day to day lives. Renew the mind and the rest will follow. The early Christians believed strongly in spiritual manifestations of many kind and were a part of their daily lives. When we compare this ideology and lifestyle say with those of the Tao, Hermeticism or any other faith or belief we then begin to find common ground. This is much needed if we are to progress together. As above so below, as within so without.
Tait Zinszer is the author of The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ-Twenty-First Century Edition. He has spent the better part of the last decade researching various manuscripts from the ancient world. His literary efforts have been focused on rewriting a more modern version of these ancient manuscripts, while still preserving their deeper philosophical and spiritual meanings. His quest for truth and esoteric knowledge became the driving force in compiling his findings into one comprehensive anthology that infuses wisdom to all those that read it. His years of research and discovery will provide readers who are seeking these deeper hidden truths, with a great resource for further contemplation.
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Gnostic's, Jesus and The Ancients | Tait Zinszer
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it in today man there's a lot of stuff
to talk about a lot of stuff we have in
common part of the your story is where
you started off at which is a great
place to start talking about coming out
of the Christian Church being a minister
being a servant someone who is you know
agreeing with that whole doctrine and
ideology and like to talk about that
mindset that that it gives you you know
and then what you have to kind of break
free from in the end and those things
and hear about your journey because
there's a lot of people there there's a
lot of people listening who are still in
church a lot of people wanting to come
out or to feel like God the Creator is
calling them out of church but not away
from their relationship with Christ you
know what I'm saying that's a weird
thing to rationalize or to kind of make
sense of it's like you know because the
the church realm will try to tell you
that because you don't go to church
you're not a part of the church which
that's a lie right and so what that does
to you psychologically man when people
push you out and stuff and then come in
you know on your own and finding out who
you are what you are
bringing that to the table man that's
your story that's my story and a lot of
people listening but I want to tackle
that today so welcome to the show again
and if you want to go ahead and give
people a little bit of background about
who you are what you bring to the table
man let's start there straight up anyhow
pretty much spent most of my life like a
lot of us did in the 70s and 80s kind of
living it up living out high school
dropout at 15 lived a hell of a life up
into the point when I was pretty much
saved by God from my own misery at the
age of 21 and soon after that I spend
about the next 16 years in the church
very devoted back in the late 90s I mean
it was pretty it was pretty off awesome
it was what would Jesus do move in and
just fish and all that stuff you know
everything was labeled and it was
actually very trendy so I got hooked up
in that and as a musician I was pretty
much wrapped up and most praise and
worship teams I was at big buddies
program
gospel for Asia compassion international
raising support for kids kind of really
spent a lot of time in church in late
90s meaning Sunday morning Sunday nights
Wednesday nights Friday night singles
groups it was pretty pretty much all I
did while all the rest of my friends
were still living her life going to jail
drinking and doing a lot of things that
I kind of removed myself from so it was
different but I was the one who was
actually bringing them to church and
sometimes it was a pretty awesome
experience take some people that you
wouldn't imagine going and I had just
enough cool to get him there so God used
me in those points and did you keep any
of them there yeah yeah sure I mean I
personally didn't you know that yeah I
got him in the door so yeah it was a
time
were you know even I used to go before I
met my wife and stuff like that I used
to go to the rescue missions and I'd
actually pull up in front of the rescue
mission Sunday mornings and my 88 Iraq
and I just filled my car up whatever
we're working and taking the church
after church I was that guy taking the
homeless person that walked in for lunch
pretty much even though I was slightly
righteous because of the program I
tapped into and the people I was hanging
out with I always had the heart and when
people needed help when they need people
that either had deeper issues and stuff
like that I was usually the one that
they called to kind of come in because I
don't know they considered me the messy
person more or less not messy as in a
living but messy as in background yeah
now I was able to deal with and relate a
lot more to people that were really in
dire straits so with with all those
years put in it was you know I was
plugged in for good and it felt it felt
good but it's strange because a few
years prior to more or less being
removed from elision religion
permanently which was around 2012 11
I just felt Drive and I was doing
everything I could
I mean missions trips like I said I
would do at Promise Keepers I would do
sponsorship with compassion or heart
afire you know I was I was the guy
behind a booth
raising getting children sponsored even
one day at my small church of like 115
people the one Sunday we had eight kids
sponsored and when gospel phrase you got
back to me they were like I kind of
flaked out I like talking to Derek prior
to being on here get a little nervous
always been a performer so it's kind of
funny that I put myself in that
situation being a little uncomfortable
in front of crowds but kind of just
drops some James on the people at church
and
some other scriptures that were really
hard hard for me to actually look people
in the face and say it and I kind of
shaken I swore I was gonna pass out at
the moment but at the end of the day
there was a kid sponsored and all the
lordy God me I was just so excited about
it so it's sometimes we get in those
situations where it's not easy to kind
of put the fire in people's hearts but
I've always been that person and I
appreciate God using me like that never
never easy but in the end I feel
stretched I feel better so that kind of
takes you up to my experience within the
body at the time but I mean I was fully
active like I said I mean big buddy
programs praise and worship missions and
like I said I mean weekly I would go to
two or three or four different churches
in my town just to be a part of the body
whether we were handing out free free
Christmas trees or walking around
neighborhoods praying with people and
stuff like that so I was well wounded
you know today it's like a good
foundation um yeah it was I would say
this man it's like I struggle with
Christians well I do and I don't meaning
that I love everyone so I can't say I
can't put anybody below me with that it
just I know where I came from I know
what I learned and I came through it and
it's one of those things that I've
accepted and it's not something I expect
everybody else to accept and when I sat
in church I mean 90 to even higher
percentage or abusers you know if you're
a fear death if you're god they're not
gonna do much more than show up every
Sunday and that was the thing that kind
of really always drove me nuts nuts in
the body not not many people working
everybody's just kind of showing up just
so they can be part of the club and I
just what was your initial like
salvation experience that you are you
talking like oh how I got saved yeah
yeah how you had faith
love this story and I'm sorry for my
kids while they're watching this video
mine was unique because did a lot of
hardcore drugs never breached heroin
that so a lot of drugs back in the day
but didn't go that far
not that what I did was good I actually
was on LSD one night when I was 21 years
old and I had a call experience where I
was in my apartment by myself and no
windows were open her doors were open or
anything like that and wind came through
my house like I'll never forget it was
on a back end of an abortion with a
girlfriend and I kind of hit a spot
where I did so many things wrong in my
life I hit that point where it was the
first time my life I didn't feel like I
had the right to make that decision I
made a lot of mistakes but I didn't feel
like I had right to be ever well to take
away life and it just shocked my whole
being I was one of those people even
before I found God that I don't live in
the life but when I drove home from
these parties and these events late at
night 3 o'clock in the morning I'd be
like stumped over my steering wheel
crying you know I couldn't figure it out
oh he's looking for something but you
know I grew up I mean I can call myself
a Satanist but I mean we do all kinds of
crazy stuff King Diamond was my favorite
band back in the day a lot of wicked
stuff I would entertain and I did not
respect God whatsoever not whatsoever so
when I got hit with that with that
unveiling that night it was almost like
just like DePaul and you know I don't
really follow the Pauline teachings
anymore but it was like the scales are
ripped off like the reality was so real
I was just so taken back I couldn't get
to church quick enough or to God quick
enough I was this like somebody tell me
somebody help me because it's I've been
touched and I don't know what to do with
it yeah some reason now the reality is
real and I was moving money if you felt
that mighty rushing wind come through
did you feel the
for you like the Holy Spirit like you
would feel in stuff like that yeah I did
I did but I didn't know what it was yeah
first time occurrence you know I mean
Hey so I was kind of overwhelmed but I
knew that something was way bigger than
me and I was willing to find out what it
was and after kicking it for kicking it
literally kicking it for 20 kickers and
denouncing it and being away from it
guide said that's enough my son and it
was a humbling experience but it was my
wake-up call and you know the people
that were out around me an ex-girlfriend
I even went back to at the time and she
was like not think about it I'm just
because whoever did so Italy huge
feeling and you know back in the day was
taught through other Christians that
were closest to me and stuff like that
you know you're born again and all that
stuff you know wasn't of you and your
new creation in Christ you're not
responsible for that and you know for
many years in the church I did kind of
that's not that wasn't me I didn't take
credit for the best part that happened
once I became enlightened a moved in the
spiritual movement I don't really like
using that word too much but was the
fact that I started going back and being
responsible for everything I did the
bullying the just outright ignorance the
way I treated people I had to be
accountable before and what I realized
later in life was the Karma that I
suffered suffered through as a Christian
or as an unbeliever as a Christian yeah
part of the revelation in itself right
Suffern Suffern Suffern I got to fight
the one time when I first got married
some guy hit or a car or I pulled I
don't fight anymore like last night
while I was like 18 19 so I'm not right
around fighting people but anyway so
guys there a car and I jumped out of the
car he was trying to flee a scene and he
couldn't get out and so he came up to me
knocked me out cold unconscious I woke
up they won't even call in English
because there is a thing in our
music they just thought it was a drunk
brawl well I was playing pinochle with
my mom that night
so more like what I'm trying to say is I
stood up got my wife's car sat there and
I haven't reflected on the time that I
beat someone up in gym class in baseball
and I was like fair enough let's get to
the hospital so on the same there's just
key points in my life that you know the
car I had to walk through it you can't
escape it you'd be a fool to actually
run away from it it's all fair and
actually it makes you who you are and
I'm glad for it and that's what I mean
about four or five years ago I felt like
that cycles finally leveled out stopped
and yeah I don't you deal with the car
Matic part of life anymore
that's um if we're looking at it as if
there's somebody watching who's a
Christian there in church and you would
think that Christianity is like the
pinnacle of devotion of doing good works
of creating good karma you know putting
out good good stuff out there you know
and even what we call the the
sanctification process of this inward
cleaning out making amends with the past
and stuff and deliverance ministry and
all this stuff that's kind of wrapped in
with Christianity in spirituality you
went deeper than what you've was
introduced to like hey Jesus got your
past it's all good give it to him like
when you got into more the spirituality
you went deeper as far as making amends
with the past and speaking healing I'll
do that in a child and stuff like that
yeah one point about the Deen saved
finding God on microdots
LSD what I realized back in the day was
God makes us exactly where we're at it
took a long time to realize that and a
lot of people don't think God and go to
the trenches or God will go to the slums
God is the trenches God is the slumps he
delivers period so with that being said
it's like you know the scariest point
after that was kind of what you just
mentioning was actually leaving the
church
and I had enough experiences with the
Holy Spirit and God in my life that I
didn't want to lose that and I was
scared that you know by seeking like I
like Jesus asked us to I was curious I
guess you'd say that
you know how is this gonna work for me
now because I'm kind of outside the
bounds but yet I see it all over the
place that we were meant to actually not
as much Vuitton as we were to seek
ourselves because when you're taught you
learn man's ways no matter if it's good
pastor or not I mean I watched Charles
Stanley through and through and through
and through
I watched him a couple of months ago and
I was totally disgusted by the message
that I used to enjoy because one of the
messages was someone that wasn't a
Christian or didn't receive Jesus as
their Savior if they were talking to a
god it's not God I was just yeah I'm
just like okay you know because think
about it how many different faiths and
religions all over the world and so
anyway it was just one of those things
that I had to come out from and all the
better for it but it hasn't been easy
I'm just glad I'm to the point where I
am right now yeah I'm very large person
so it wasn't exactly easy but I had to
keep kind of you go through a dark night
you I'm sure you went through a dark
night I mean I I definitely did like oh
like you're talking about doing drugs
and being a wicked evil person and all
the demons and all the negativity that
surround it with that I was in there
like really dark witchcraft and making
pacts with spirits and stuff as well
I got possessed was in a really crazy
place losing my mind all of that stuff
when I was coming out of Christianity as
far as like in that transition of being
someone who's known and people loved I
mean you - you're in worship bands
you're doing evangelistic work and all
of this kind of stuff and now you're
falling away if you let them tell it you
know so being being somebody who you
know everybody liked and loved - very
on the other side now you're getting
into you're asking too many questions
you're getting in the Gnosticism you're
asking you think everybody goes to
heaven
if you say anything that goes against
what they believe you get a target on
your back I went through like the dark
night coming out of that was almost
darker than going through the demonic
possessions and stuff that I went
through as a teenager I've just you know
everybody forsaken you all your friends
you know your people look up to you now
they're calling you a devil worshiper
you know all this kind of crazy stuff
put up with their - right they're
singing a song still today I say you
know I still hear them screaming crucify
them so yeah it's it's one of those
moments where you got to choose God or
the people then I chose God yeah so you
would say that God called you Oh God
you followed God you didn't just mess up
and get into wickedness or get into a
cult material and you got lost in it you
say that the Holy Spirit God Christ led
you down the path that you're on right
that book
right there changed my life forever it's
amazing - what I held up was the shack
there we go when you take God and make
him a black woman it changes everything
in its simplicity i sat there nights
reading that book just crying that
that's it right there that's what moved
me towards Gnosticism and everything
else because I had so many chains and
restrictions on God picturing the the
the man in the sea the white anglo I
think the white man in the chair you
know sitting is he holding his hand over
the people and stuff like that and when
I read a book that kind of turned
everything upside down it didn't matter
what was really written in a book it was
my heart that received it and I just sat
there and literally cried for days
because I just couldn't believe that I
put such limitations on God
had an ideal that man created within my
mind that I followed and just think it's
broke and fell apart and that's what I
had laughed you know and I really didn't
know where to go so I just kept I kept
working at it and learning and the
Nakatomi scriptures followed closely
behind the Collbran really blew my mind
they started building everything but
most importantly I'm a hermetic today so
that the teachings of Hermes really
enhanced my Christian beliefs honestly
really that's the crazy thing too is
when those other beliefs maybe even
solidify some of the truths are there
because I think in Christianity we think
that that's all original most of the
stuff that Paul and Jesus were quoting
like that was nothing original like
their most of the time they're quoting
the Old Testament and then when we get
in deeper the Old Testament items
quoting other works from the other
nations who were around at that time as
well as so far as the architecture the
quotes the wording the stories all of
that stuff so to go back to find
something that solidifies that truth
even deeper of reading the seven
hermetic principles and then reading the
scriptures and as there's essences that
you pick up on the light man okay that's
a universal law the Bible saying that
this is saying that that's saying it
okay there is all they're all in
agreement with different wording
different phrasing but the spirit of
essence is there yep the same with you
know might have to help you with this
term here of the Bhagavad Gita lucky the
yellow innovators yeah way man Christ
before Christ Jesus before Jesus it just
you know I read it and I was totally
amazed on what I received from it so you
know and that's my whole thing God is
universal every way the way you see God
the way I see God the way those
listening right now see God
it's seriously personal there is no two
people that see God the same even even
in church and 500 people who hear the
same message every week and nobody same
doctor and everybody has a little twist
to their faith that the other person
can't understand or doesn't see
eye-to-eye on yeah so you know it's just
it's the fact that people what bothers
me on that is that people feel like they
can tell you how to believe how to see
God and how the worship God that I don't
understand anymore and don't get me
wrong there I was there dude
I was that guy after getting up at 7:30
8:00 to go do worship rehearsal before
church in the morning and if I saw
someone jogging along the side of the
road I would you know I mean so I I was
self-righteous and legalistic myself and
I'm glad it was because honestly it has
my mouth shut and I don't say much
because I was there I remember well
that's what I want I want to ask you to
because one of the things I've got a
friend of mine who's giving his life
over to Christian evangelism like he's
like determined to win his whole city to
Jesus right and he's doing a really good
job at trying to do that that's what
God's called him to do that's his
passion and I'm friends with them he
doesn't agree with what I do but um we
talked about being a universalist or you
said you do if we talk about being a
universalist right there's this if God's
gonna save everybody right if you even
believe that and I can maybe get
complicated because that's there's even
the whole hell concept was stolen anyway
from other other traditions as well so
but the majority of Christendom believes
in Hell or claim they do this does you
know the the lake of fire eternal
punishment being a universalist or one
saying that Jesus died for everybody or
God loves everybody it takes away the
urgency to win the lost like these
people are lost we have to win
and there's an urgency because if they
die tomorrow they're gonna perish and
burn forever being a universalist and
I've listened to call up you know early
Carlton Peterson stuff and even listen
to the Christian evangelist who are
against Jesus dying for everybody
because they know that it's going to
silence them it like takes away their
only thing not that God's goodness can
lead men to repentance but God's wrath
and God's anger that he wants to destroy
you type heal and so will God saving or
God loving everybody it takes so they
say it takes that away it doesn't if you
approach even the gospel from a
Universalist point of view it's not
something that God is going to do or
Jesus is going to do but he's already
done and we're just here to proclaim the
wonderful work of what Christ has
already done for everybody so that
there's still the urgency there that
people are now living in hell they're
not going to live in Hell they're now
living in Hell and we have we have the
ticket to get them out now not later but
you just said to kind of go with that
notion a little bit that it kind of
silenced you a little bit of your eat
Avenger Avenger evangelistic approach
because obviously you came from that
it's me too I'm not I don't want to
debate I don't want to judge I don't
want to point fingers because I used to
do that so there's that reminding of the
nasty old Christian that I once was but
obviously it hasn't silenced you that
much you're writing books you're still
getting information out about God the
idea of God where were you now with
wanting to tell people about God I mean
it's heck well important point is that
with when I came out the back end of
this I realized every when I was when I
was a Christian actively mauled in the
church everything was everything went
bad was Satan's fall everything it was
good was good when I came out of that
Satan doesn't exist to me man go on from
my map and you know what it's true man
or satan was the whole time you're right
inside me man got the opportunity to
play him yeah so when i realized that
and started working on that part of me
it I stopped blaming things that were
supposedly outside of me like I didn't
have control of and you know what I have
a lot more control in my life these days
would be a god of course because I live
for God and my witness is I have the
books of course that's great but my
witness is my personality my character
your life my life man and I have a night
yeah I'm in there I'm doing I took the
same things that I enjoyed we still
sponsor kids from one child from
compassion for over 15 years now improve
my wife's from Peru so that's cool
connection
we sponsor families out on the res in
South Dakota Pine Ridge Reservation
grandmother raising seven eight kids
grandchildren of her own with her kids
in the house too so I took from that's a
really cool part man I used to pay for
heating and electric at a church and
Bill's at a body you don't I mean and
then of course they they do take money
towards missions and people going away
and public things don't I don't want to
take away from that yeah every month now
man my money just goes direct to the
needs of the people period and I don't
need other people to tell me where the
needs are because I have a good enough
heart to look for them I found them
that's a revelation in itself and the
freedom that I get I'm like okay I you
know the money that I would spend on
tithe because it just kind of goes to
the building fun or what the playground
secretaries and then it gets down to the
bottom and those needs are sometimes met
and I don't wait no no I'm just saying
I'm just saying if you was to take that
money that you pay y'all I know think
about clothes every church this Sunday
clothes all that money that all the
people would have spent put it on a
table and let it go out to the world to
the nearest people it would be solved in
one day this is your it's just a
or just like a and I would encourage
people do this if you're paying in tires
if you're funding a ministry or
something maybe one month if you want to
keep doing that that's good like I said
if the but they should make it you know
if we don't you know this money goes
towards bills if you enjoy the building
you enjoy what we have here it takes
money so that that is legit but take
that money yourself and maybe go out to
eat and pay for a couple who are just
sitting down across from you on the
other side you don't even know they
don't even know that you're gonna pay
for their meal like guys we started
doing that and just doing practical
stuff like hey we can actually see where
our money is going on and impacting
people now we can fund other people's
ministry or whatever the case is so it's
not we just I was writing a check to the
church you do share part in that because
whatever that church is doing you're a
part of it so you're a body there but
when you can personalize it man it was
just like I didn't I never had 50 extra
dollars to go out to eat and say hey I'm
gonna buy these people's meal and not
even tell them that I did it we're just
gonna walk out and you know I'm saying
and and pray over you know I'm saying
hopefully God will you know you never
know like that could be that couples
like last 50 bucks that they wanted to
go out and eat and spend time together
and now it's taken care of it could be
an answered prayer I've seen God do that
in my life and in in being obedient with
listening and asking God what you should
do with your money right versus just
funny experiences I always remember my
head was there's a section in my city
where people would stand well it wasn't
a normal corner I think that's why it
kind of caught me off guard but I gave
my last 20 bucks to them and I had to go
to my mom's house so it's like I'm
always I'm always living in the moment
man if somebody's needs more important
than mine I'm there you know what I mean
actually they are because with my wife
and kids I have I'm blessed one blessed
I have no needs whatsoever so it's easy
for me to look outside and see the needs
of the people and that's why I was my
wife and I we we look into
the youth we sponsor three Native
American schools st. Joseph's Red Cloud
in st. Labre
on South Dakota and Wyoming native hope
I have a connection with Standing Rock
getting out there and stuff like that
yeah
remember your host Erlang that was a big
part of it to burrow in back wall
2011-12 was when I literally found out
about the Native Americans and their
plight and what we did to her than any
real life well that's that's one of my
with the great spirit and I when I went
out there and realized that they're
serving the same god man and they don't
call them jesus you know what I mean and
the great spirits upon them beautiful
people
well more evolved in advance and most of
us Europeans are mentally with their
thinking you know so it just changed me
a great part of my awakening too is
going back to the powwow but when I
first got saved I went to the powwow
they're chanting on drums and acting
like chickens and got feathers on and
I'm like very sensitive cuz I just came
out of witchcraft right and I go to that
I'm like oh I gotta get up out of here
man these demons out here and it's so
weird how your perception changes like I
went they're like man they're chanting
the gods and invoking spirits of the
chickens and stuff no we gotta get about
here and then I went back several years
later when God started doing a deeper
work in me and I'm going there and I'm
just in tears and feel the Holy Spirit
moving through the air and just bringing
me to tears and showing me this is all
they have left it's just like this one
day a year where they get to share it
with them and open it up but man these
people were loving peaceful people that
were overtaken and and just the whole
spirit of that but that that was a big
point of my awakening but before we get
too far off because I know we're not off
everything we're taught such a lot is
good let's get back to the whole phase
of exiting the church because you read
the shack so and I wanted to say about
the shack there's a lot of churches that
work we're actually backing that book
and promoting it but then there was a
whole pushback from the Christian
community another side saying that it
would it would
lead you into other faves or it would do
to you other people what it did to you
so there were people warning people to
stay away from it you read the shack you
got into the other scriptures other
texts you started seeing God in
everything how did that start coming out
in your speech to get a target on your
back and things like that to kind of be
like we don't want you here anymore type
deal in church the book you hold up you
held up the word analysis I started in
2011 so in to set early 2012 I started
going to a new church and it's kinda
ironic because the sound person was an
atheist they would open up with Bob
Marley or Tom Petty
hacks piercings all over the place
different colored hair yeah but yeah
it's not it wasn't when I was used to so
this is the body I was in at the time
that I got pretty much asked to leave so
what what I did and what I wanted people
to know was I was blessed by the culvert
when people ask me well no people don't
ask me when I tell people my house on
fire grab one book what book would it be
it's the Colburn it blew me away
Egyptian academics 1500 it actually
tells about the Egyptian side of the
Exodus and then also goes into the
Druids early maybe 200 to 500 AD seee
and the book itself was hidden for many
many years so when I read it I needed I
wanted people to know about it so I put
it in the word enosis in pieces along
with Enoch revelation the epic of
gilgamesh
and Hermes pompom a dress but I wanted
people to know the colburn it then
seemed like it was known so my first
version of the word gnosis was literally
the Bible sighs and I didn't create it
like a Bible with a lot of Jesus
throughout but I pulled a lot of the
Collbran out hopefully to get people's
eyes
I guess there's still maybe some
controversy about the book itself where
it came from I mentioned to you I've
been in and out of Freemasonry but one
of the reasons why I got into the
Freemasonry was because supposedly for
800 years the Freemasons protected I
understand the story correctly but it
made me very interesting cuz I felt like
I owed somebody some gratitude for
serving the book for me without it being
destroyed like so many other books in
history
so the Colburn was a huge huge huge part
of Taunton so why didn't charge you you
you you were just writing the book you
wasn't being vocal you wasn't going to
start doing thing was like I was
changing my Bibles I had the original
Bible like the first Bible you know what
I mean was 1611 what do you say the 1611
Bible shelf but I don't want to run away
we come up with the epochal Bennett is
it the Anderson Bible or something like
that it was I'm not sure it has a lot of
the I know some people listening
probably are saying it out loud right
now yeah it's not the Apocrypha and it
very important to know the original
Bible there's a bunch of them I've got
the 1611 I do have that which the 1611
version has the fourteen books that were
taken out and considered the Apocrypha
so okay part of it don't know much about
it though but the thing was it has the
Epistle of Barnabas in it and the
Shepherd of Hermes of teaching the
twelve
oh sorry do tell might be the gospel of
the holy 12 yeah yeah yeah I started
going to church and Bible studies was
something different than laying down on
the table and people started looking at
me different okay I kind of slowly did
it without being over yeah I wasn't
pushing anything on anybody I was
curious on how it related and in fact it
sit down with a different book and get
the same message or have the same
message so it has all the original books
in the Bible but it has like the
Catholic Bible more or less the other
texts you know the original texts
that were in so this supposedly is the
original New Testament and it was times
like those that I slowly started kind of
evolving but like I said it wasn't I
don't know I wasn't engine come from
what you once the book was out of what
yeah well what happened was it's so
strange because the pastor I was with
that time they didn't have dying from
cancer and I was serving him he had
plenty of people to help him and you
only reason when I say that is because I
had my kidney my left kidney removed
through many surgeries and you know I
show but praise and worship was JP
drains out my back literally stuck in my
cargo pants you know and if you looked
and see the blood kind of go like tubes
and stuff and I be in praise and worship
on Sunday I'd be up there on stage
playing my bass very much part of the
whole I didn't want to be removed for my
ministry and with that I was serving the
pastor because he was going through
chemo and he was pretty young
somewhere around 1555 so and I was part
of his Bible study his house it was a
small group so more or less he had
another gentleman taking me out to lunch
to talk to me about my book kind of
privately behind my back
and I caught on to it after his second
meeting my first the guy may it's not
like he was interested book you got they
use this this other guy to kind of age
what I was doing so I gave it to the
pastor because I wanted to be real with
him I said you know here's my book check
it out you know let me know what you
think so I was being upfront wasn't
trying to hide anything
I even had designers working with me for
a book of Enoch that I was going to be
doing myself really cool artwork and
when when everything hit the fan back
dude was like you know pay me my money
back felt like he made a deal of the
devil the pastor got together with me
very similar instances yeah more or less
he pulled my wife and me into the office
but he didn't speak much it was the
assistant pastor who took over to church
that was doing a lot of the talking and
it was more of him that ended up making
the call if he asked me I I think my
pastor kind of taken me because we were
supposed to go see the Dead Sea schools
in Philadelphia they were on a tour and
at the Bible say he's like hey why don't
all this guys go down and check out the
Dead Sea Scrolls in Philadelphia so you
know he was open and stuff um I knew
that but there was something else the
people of the church loved me my wife
were very outgoing we were this specific
church we were last ones in and the last
ones out kind of thing so we were just
very able to get along with we've liked
talking to a lot of people being
transparent as much as possible to in
that part but we were a threat because
if I just you know then talked to many
people and I was just kind of sitting
there and writing a book I doubt any of
this would even happen but because I had
people working for me was very much
involved I guess they thought it as a
threat yeah so the question just came
down to you know is Jesus God they're
sitting there and I just said no man
he's not not to me he's not yeah Jesus
Jesus is God you better believe it
that's the right way to say it but I
can't see man as being the Great Spirit
we are all and endowed with something
that is bigger than us and God resonates
through everything and everyone and I've
read enough text whether people believe
in him or not by Jesus and he's not
preaching that message even in the
Aquarian gospel you held up one of my
favorite quotes is Jesus is like what
does it matter to me if you're saved or
not and I mean that's totally that
that's a mind crusher for Christians in
the body you know so to me jesus is my
god because that's how I found God you
know I mean it's my entrance it's
Michael works but yes here's the door
yeah yeah yeah Christ consciousness you
know I hope nobody gets my terminology
wrong today it's just
and I even struggle with that because
you know being hermetic and stuff like
that I was like well okay you know I've
read books that said he didn't exist
well as his fame hurts and you know it's
just a shadow of an another guru from
years gone by stuff like that
and I've gone full circle and even spoke
to my wife about it that like I walked
the path the hard path and I think you
and me spoke about this too a little bit
so the teachings of Jesus is up like
that that's my bread and butter man yeah
it's what resonates with me it's who I
want to be well Jesus and some of the
prophets and some of those other texts
and other people in Egypt and in India
they spoke about something called the
way I'm a follower of the way even some
of those early transcripts of Jesus says
that I'm the way the truth in a life
some of the earlier translation says I
am of the way I am a follower of the way
the truth in a life like that's the path
I'm on and I know people who say you
know a lot of people get caught up with
the term Christian they're not a
Christian because if I say I'm a
Christian it's so fun to hear people ask
me that you know you're a Christian and
for like the core tenets I would say yes
but as far as any of the doctrinal stuff
no not really you know I'll disagree
with the majority of it but I'm a
follower of Christ and so a lot of
people have kind of adopted I'm a
follower of the way the way meaning a
path that Jesus was on or a way meaning
the path that Jesus set that whatever
the case is people are in here asking
about John D Allegro and Christian
mushroom call and if Jesus existed and
stuff there's a difference between no
there's a difference between Jesus
Christian early biblical Christianity
and the Catholic Church some people I
people like to kind of tie that together
like they think Christianity is like the
Catholic Church or whatever but if
you're following Christ like as far as
from the earliest manuscripts of the
Scriptures and maybe if some of the
other texts you're talking about
definitely the books that were taken out
and stuff more of a spiritual path they
took those books out but it's different
it's not we talk about following Christ
is not really
Catholicism right you're not even close
to that right yeah not that I'm against
it at your own path or whatever but it's
just not the same thing when we
mentioned the path of Christ or the
church or whatever the case is a lot of
people don't know that for you know
Christianity we know there's a very big
distinction between the two
we're not that we're not Mormon we're
not this we're not Jehovah's Witness we
are evangelicals we're not Catholic
Catholics as a false religion but some
you know people on the outside they just
kind of lump everything you know
although churchianity stuff together
right that's interesting no to because
when I was around all the born-agains
I remember how they would be Catholics
my wife my wife was raised Catholic did
she's a beautiful woman
and I won't have it any other way and
I'm so glad when she didn't know where
to go or what to do she ended up in the
Catholic Church and it's saved and
preserved her for me through all the
trials that she went through but I just
remember a lot of Christians are like
you know damn Catholicism and you know
it's all a bunch of garbage and honestly
you know that's what Chris the ideal
Christian does originated with faucet I
don't care it's part of the tree so you
can't really throw the baby out with the
bathwater it's a long chain so it might
be evolved but you know it was you know
I mean it wasn't their first but I mean
it was know you know you know I mean
that's amazing too because being you
know being a brother and going to
masonry and stuff like that King James
you know creating the Bible and sticking
it all together way you did it's only a
hundred-year-old thing so I you know
everybody's like this is the Word of God
and you know this is what stands and
it's 400 years old I know all the other
texts are a thousand years old and some
are even older you know but still it's
like if they look into who created and
why you created it I don't know man
is that same person that created it I
went in the into the Brotherhood and you
know they don't they don't believe in
Jesus besides a great prophet you know I
mean so it's just interesting what
people don't do their homework and I
don't look at the history of what
they're believing they're pretty much
just kind of living on the coattails of
others and that time is locked somebody
here on Belle Starr says that King James
wrote a book about demons - he wrote a
book on demonology I don't know if
you've read it I wonder I want to read
it I haven't read it yet but
there's um it's kind of hard to read
while have found some PDFs online yeah
he actually wrote a book on demonology
it's accredited to him no I know I've
heard or some some wicked stories about
the man himself and I remember a little
bit when I first found out about it but
I never really went after it more to
find out who the man King James was but
I do know a little bit to know that
supposedly a rough history with all
those guys you know they sent over here
and the image that we have for Christ is
rapists and molesters and all kind of
crazy stuff but let's talk about this
though because there's something there
we talked about a while ago you you
don't know what Jesus is who he is if he
really existed you you say that because
it's the truth because you don't have
any proof you can't physically sell yeah
he's real like I had dinner with him or
whatever you you can't prove it right so
to say that foot for without the shadow
of a doubt that Jesus existed
his name was Joshua ben Yosef there's
all of these records there's all kind of
stuff disproving that stuff as well so
if we're into gnosis if we're into
studying right and and there's people
who say he's just a fairytale he's made
up he never existed but here you talk
about you file you're following the path
of someone who never existed I was on a
podcast with someone who was we're
talking about this the similar thing and
he's asking me okay all this of
debunking Jesus and what do you say is
like something is there like when you
pray to God the Great Spirit
I want to lose whatever that is
something's there it responds to Jesus
it responds to Great Spirit I've had it
bring me back to the nomadic way of
weaving like it responds to a broken
spirit and contrite heart of looking up
to heaven and saying god I need help
right and I think most of those
religions or spiritual paths or holy men
have kind of come to the same conclusion
of going within praying and meditating
and connecting with something within you
that is outside of you and within at the
same time as above so below with the
Creator that responds in answers to
Jesus this is one of the names I can't
say it's the only way now like I haven't
it's my way it's the way that we were
introduced to God or the Creator was
through this path right and there's
something there and you know what
changed me to one of the things the
first part isn't just be Jesus sent His
disciples out to forgive sins it's in
the Bible you don't I mean it changes
the whole dynamics of what the church
stands on because if Jesus gonna send
his followers out that they can actually
go out and forgive sins yeah all right
why the cross I know the cross I know
the Egyptian cross I'd know the cross
it's all good
but what really changed me was that the
Scriptures narrow is the gate and a few
find it you know um there's billions
millions they're all over the world you
don't I mean um
narrow though real narrow and only a few
find it in one day after reading it
hundreds of times I was like what and
then the point of you can even do
greater things than these so if people
are gonna exalt Jesus and he's gonna
look me in the face and tell me that I
couldn't even do greater things than him
I'm on board
take my hand teach me how to do it make
me like you you know I mean so it's just
like you you so many exalt Jesus is God
fine
he said you can do even greater things
so if he said that you can do even
greater things in God where you stand
that's what changed my life yeah that's
it yeah that's a big one it is big it's
a big one with the Christians too it's
like they're kind of like I think what
they did with you is something that they
do a wheat we have done is they like
start breaking everything down to figure
out what they don't what you don't agree
with that goes along with them
okay what about Jesus will see God and
if you was to say yeah they was okay
what about tithing this guy gonna curse
you if you tithe no he won't curse you
oh you know they try to keep going too
this checklist and they're like okay
this is what we got him on right cuz
I've been taught I've talked to the the
Christians or whatever in the path who
were doing that to me and they're like
the whole Jesus is God thing versus
Jesus is the Son of God
yeah and I'm saying you know I'm blading
like I don't think he's God man I think
he worships the father he showed us how
to worship the father he is the son of
God showing us the way he prays to the
Father he's not schizophrenic God did
not leave the throne and become a man as
we've taught in youth group his throne
in heaven and became a man he was
tempted in every ways like that I don't
think that's it's not happen you know
and but they were wanting me to say that
Jesus was God versus the son of God I
said look he's the expression of the
father's the image of the father he's
made in the likeness oh you don't I'm
saying I'm good I'm okay with everything
else but fought but saying that Jesus
was God it's okay there's the there's
the we can't walk together because can
two walk together unless they agree and
you don't think Jesus was God I'm like
man I'm real I'm just quoting the
scriptures as they're written the Son of
God in design say everybody welcome
until you so you have an opinion until
you have an opinion
have you heard I'll put this at the end
of one of my songs if you heard um Billy
Graham talking about how Jesus because
you were talking about the path or
whatever and there's all these millions
of Christians and you Indian earlier you
said a lot of them just show up they're
just there
90% of them so 10% is a so you said 90%
just show up 10% is kind of a narrow
road right so Billy Graham talked about
um
Jesus having a people for his namesake
out of every religion they may not even
have heard the name of Jesus but there's
still followers of Christ they may be
Hindu they may be Muslim Benny I'm not
been here
I just said his name Billy Graham said
that and I'll put it at the end of one
of my songs have you heard that quote I
might have I what song by yes uh well
it's at the end of syncretism
okay I probably did but I've maybe just
kind of got past me syncretism yeah it's
at the end and it's pretty powerful that
was part of the awakening to is like her
songs are powerful Derek thank you sir I
love them words are great they sure and
you do a great job and it was part of
the revelation man of just understanding
that Billy Graham the greatest yeah sure
event if Angelico preacher of our time
who's won the most people to Jesus and
done the good work fought the good fight
at the end of his life when everything
is almost done he's getting to the end
of his life just putting out statement
saying God has a people for his namesake
out of every religion who they don't
even know him I said they're Christians
and they don't know it well you know the
stories when like the Spanish
conquistadors came into Mesoamerica and
stuff and sort of putting people at the
edge of this word and saying you know
accept Jesus or die more or less they
would tell stories on what their witness
was and the Native Americans would be
saying we know them we know him we know
who you speak about without even knowing
who Jesus was because it was the same
person that they believed in without the
tag of Europe I mean that's just kind of
a roundabout way to say it but there's
so many stories about you know people
being told what to believe and they're
like we've believed it all along it's
not a new message or new savior to us
you hear about it all the time and many
of the different religions and the
stories throughout the world of kind of
the Crusades you know when people are
forced to believe in something and
they're like well we believe it but it's
just not you know you're it's not you're
Jesus or you know the way you're
presenting it but we've known for quite
some time about this they'll say well
that's another Jesus that's not a
different one the different one that was
I was even that was even kind of deep
for me I talked about like um
my daughter trying to lead her to Jesus
at like five years old okay there's this
pretty you got a pretty good ask Jesus
into your heart you know and trying to
do the same way that that I came to God
trying to she had no idea what I was
talking about she's like I already know
Jesus like I already have them in my
heart what do you I said you got to pray
this prayer and ask him to come in ask
him to forgive you like I've already
already know him you know I'm saying is
the innocence of a child it blew my mind
I was like no you have to you have to
pray this prayer to know what he did for
you on the cross and ask him to come in
like I already know him what are you
talking about a little kid she couldn't
understand it maybe when life kicks in
she already knew she already knew
there's a hint there's it because
there's a innocence there right
maybe when life kicks in and things like
that and you can understand what's goals
and that's why my daughter's were
baptized when they're young but you know
they dedicated sorry their baptism if
they choose it that's up to that man you
know I've seen people come in get
baptized and live a hell of a life and I
mean a bad way and other people that say
the sinner's prayer thing always
bothered the heck out of me I was around
some Jesus called people I'd love that
term that thought the sinner's prayer
saved everybody you say these words and
you are going to heaven but you gotta
say it man yeah you just say now and
move like a devil the rest of the day
it's all good because you said that
prayer it's just so bunk man you know it
really is but yeah like I said it
depends who you're with and who you were
brought up with in church but it was
kind of my misery well let me ask you
about this too is that what the whole
church thing is like you you came into
it being a musician playing on a worship
team and stuff like that and a lot of
people if they don't know any better
they get a run through the ringer
because they have a talent you come into
the church and you can play music get
him up there we need a we need a bassist
get him up there now you're in a
ministry now you have to walk this
narrow road now you have to keep a
standard that we don't even hold
ourselves to but if you falter off the
road
on this pedestal now that you're on
you're gonna be in trouble
what we heard that you were doing this
we heard that you were doing that and
I've seen people who come into the
church with with a talent and they throw
them up there yeah a good performer
they're good sure first though piano
saying I've seen him jump straight
I'll say this sure though I went into a
church what one of my old churches
someone would come in fresh off the
street and a pastor was looking for a
youth pastor and he'd call him out you
the future youth pastor random people in
there like me he's like just given roles
to people because they were just
building the church and like you're this
you're that and then he wouldn't Jack
him up because they would become too
youth pastor he'd say hey I need
somebody lead to youth and I feel like
God said it was you and go by and they
get him in there right there just a
visitor at this point maybe two three
weeks in and then now they have to leave
Bible studies and lead the youth and
they do something that the pastor didn't
like or the leadership didn't like and
then they cut their head off like it was
a girl who the pastor did that too and
the pastor they seen a picture of her on
Facebook where she went to her class
reunion and had a glass of wine at our
tent her attend your class reunion they
seen it that somebody shared it on
Facebook I pulled her to the side you
can't be doing that we're gonna have to
let you go he's taking these people who
or if you want to call them baby
Christians or whatever but they just
throw people up in these positions and
stuff and when they fall man when you go
through that or if you quit playing
guitar you're not though you're not the
dude anymore you're a regular member you
just go back out into the congregation
you don't we'd like we can't really use
you man it's messed a lot of people up
I've got friends dude who are in my book
psalmist their psalmist when they play
the stringed instrument something
happens yeah and they learn they won't
touch it anymore because they've been
hurt by the church they've been on
leadership they've been great worship
leaders and then crazy stuff happened
with you know going through in the past
care about them they just cared if they
can play hey we just still need you to
do these song sir
I don't care about your pornography
addiction I need you do these songs you
know all of this kind of stuff oh hey
don't don't pray don't talk about
grieving over your sin and fasting and
just play these songs and it's like it's
just a mechanical thing and it's messed
up a lot of people yeah yeah yeah it's a
shame man I always say I overshot the
church because even the church I was
asked to leave you know it was okay to
have an atheist in the sound booth but
God forbid somebody that was actually
following the shoes of Jesus in the
footsteps of Jesus and going out to seek
all the knowledge that we can you know
and that's another thing too I mean
there's so many knowledge gurus these
days you know I think the gnosis thing
it's gotta build a business upon it it's
all good but I'm thankful that God has
my heart man it's always been hard as
you with me and the knowledge does not
work if your heart isn't sure and I'm
learning that and knowledge is good but
if it's not applied it's just rubbish so
it's good you know but if you don't
apply what you know it's just it's it's
worthless and because you know I do
so knowledge good practical knowledge -
right yeah yeah they're practical like
how like okay what does that benefit you
that this is the way that works or
that's the way that that unfolds or what
that system or that hierarchy is how are
you is it is it helping you or is it
making you paranoid when you go out in
public you stick to yourself I know
those people - super smart people
biblical knowledge when it comes to
Infowars and Alex Jones knowledge like
they're really good but they you know it
gets them to a place where they just
they just withdraw you know what I'm
saying yeah the lucky thing for me is I
know the Bible better and most pastor so
I mean I don't want people I can't give
you this verse but I can quote it from
people and it's usually on my heart it's
been engraved in my heart so I use it's
been very useful and resourceful for me
and that's why it's like you know I
can't I would say it's like kind of
kicking your mother if I found this a
Christianity or the church is
of no use because it is because come
here you know what I mean it's the path
I took but yet when it came time to grow
beyond that original foundation
Elementary yeah yeah yeah and you know
that's what it's meant for man it's yeah
I'll get people in and you know so when
I decided that there was something
bigger and the Holy Spirit and Christ
was telling me go bigger go better and I
I did but other people didn't understand
yeah yeah I'm here I had a close friend
of mine who has who has stuck with me
this whole time there's only a couple
people who have stuck there thank God
for those people yeah I mean a couple
but um even there like what one of my
friends he was like and I just I just
think you got you got tired of the Bible
man you just you just he said he said I
think you got bored with the Bible I was
like hold on that wasn't the Bible
saying it's not boring that's not why I
started reading The Lost book they're
like I'm trying to read the books they
took out and what seeing understand why
they took him out like that's something
the Bible was boring like there's so
much why were the Catholic Church and
Christians or Crusaders trying to burn
everything else and destroy everything
else so there would just be one book
what is so wrong with all the other
books what was in them that actually
made sense and elevated people of the
brute east you know obviously it was a
threat to their religion and their what
they were trying to do so I mean it's a
shame so much of it is lost but it's
it's a it's a business and when you
threaten that business you get a target
on your back
you know like you did with the with the
church like yeah so it's like you can't
keep going there because when they're
gonna ask you about Jesus or ask you
about what books belong in the Bible or
whatever it when that stuff comes up
you're you're gonna be a threat you know
just like all that stuff so threads just
like people questioning the Bible or
questioning any any just doctrine man
I'm just with the doctrine stuff like if
you just disagree with anything the
whole timing thing I mentioned a while
ago they a lot of them preach tithing as
a means of control to get your money
they put you under bondage and say that
God's gonna if you don't give your 10%
God's gonna find a way to take it from
you they that's what we were taught
coming up in church and so every time we
had something bad happen we thought it
was God taking it because we weren't
able to pay that the tithe the 10% so
here you are being liberated from that
or had coming to a different
understanding in the Bible that that's
not true I know the pastor said that but
it's not true around doing that like
give the season what Caesar and give to
God what God thing is definitely Old
Testament and it's how they keep the
building up yeah yeah and that's a good
principle like I said if you believe in
that building you know I I do miss
praise and worship as it is that's
probably what I miss most I really don't
miss the fakeness of the whole thing and
not everybody is you know that's for
sure there's a lot of beautiful people
so it's but it's when people start
telling you what what your path is what
God wants from you and what to believe
that's where it just gets a little rough
so but I can twist it a little bit here
on the word enosis because my
introduction on the book actually goes
into the the Giza Plateau puma punku
Koba techie in Turkey and the city the
gods in Mexico Quixote wakhan and you
got was the demons brother yeah sure so
you got all these these buildings all
around the world and if when when you
read the introduction you realize that
these buildings were actually more or
less what we consider to be nuclear
reactors that we use today power sources
of ancient so when you actually take the
God of the Old Testament and make him
one of these beings coming down from the
sky
it changes religion man okay you know
what I mean I that are you
scripture in the word enosis that you
know this is a part that I love
they say that Satan was in the Garden of
Eden right
beautiful cherubim when I read the word
when I read the Bible it says that God
was in the Garden of Eden with Adam it
changes everything when you realize that
what man perceives is God is just
something a little bit more
intellectually above us that we couldn't
comprehend that's why I'm a hermetic
with the all and being able to separate
these image of these beings that kind of
created religions on earth yeah well
actually they didn't create oh man did
sort of that's what changed a lot for me
when I started realizing that something
has a so let's talk about these beings
real quick though are these these beings
you're mentioning from all of my study
there you go yes he's holding up a
picture of a surfer people listening on
the podcast it's got an alien on this is
Giorgio sukul Oh an alien so these gods
or these entities or whatever from all
of my studying from having encounters
you know this part of the study and
that's part of the experience I've come
to understand when we're talking about
sukul Oh with all my ancient aliens
we're talking about the reactors we're
talking about the Bible I believe in the
I believe in those beings are they good
or are they bad or they're is it the
Sumerian literature that they're here to
enslave humanity or is there because
even then like the entities believed in
like they had a creator as well yeah of
course I call I call them the eel oh the
yell of God sending the Creator gods the
little gods or whatever you want to call
the workers whatever they are to create
us to genetically modify so however
scientific you want to get with it but
there was an essence I believe that
I believe we call them the Angels right
we call the managers when we see them
and we interact with them as well still
to this day I do believe in the bad ones
I believe that the earth is run by the
government which are bad people or a
seed the seed of the serpent yeah it
gets into reptilian stuff maybe but
that's a biblical term the seed of the
serpent that will fight against the sons
and daughters of God which I believe are
the ones who are filled with the spirit
what is your view on aliens angels good
bad demons because like I said the
Christian version most Christians agree
to those pyramids you were talking about
and those plateaus were built by fallen
angels who were channeling demons I
don't believe that that's I don't like
that by any means you just dedicated it
the two books novice no but that's what
critten were Christians like that's
their explanation for all of this stuff
we're about to go into I'm still not
gonna but people would say that like the
book the bhagavad-gita was like a kind
of devil going ahead thousands of years
to plant something before Christ came I
don't get it wrong there's plenty of
Christians rice and out there going what
I heard these tales about you know Satan
moving ahead of times to make things
seem like they were that way so people
would be confused no I've heard I've
heard that too yeah yeah so have you and
you even hear that on the other end
though on the other end that the stories
that are written of you know the story
of the hero's path or whatever that
Jesus is plagiarized from the other
cultures and all the other stories in
the Bible is kind of a ripoff of all of
this stuff taken and put put together in
one book um I mean Astro theology from a
Christian perspective I say crit honey
stop using that word
I'm not a gnostic though because there's
things in the in Gnosticism that I'd
really agree with and I'm not a it's a
basket isn't it exactly so I'm just like
of the way but here's a book here the
glory of the stars the Bible is
astrology the Bible is astrology is
beautiful astrology it paints the
stories of so many characters that we
that we go through we play the part in
the role of those characters and I
believe that the the zodiac is telling
the story of Christ is telling we look
at the you know saying the Magi who are
the stargazers of the seers were the
first ones to show up in know where the
Messiah was to be born
these were stargazers these weren't the
kings and rulers or the priests
these were stargazers who showed up you
know um so everything kind of works
together there by no we're jumping all
over the place but go back to these
beings man what are you who are like I
said I do spell it out in my book to a
point so I use scripture to kind of
build up my idea I am totally cool with
the beings because if we were modified
you know thank God and the same thing
it's like is it Jesus or Michael said
that he went more or less cast
accusations against the devil I think it
was Michael when he was the Archangel
Michael when he was having a he was
being held back at one point he was
trying to get somewhere sorry I'm okay
yeah yeah that's it yeah that's talking
about he was he was withstanding maybe
this is the same point he was
withstanding the Prince of Persia yeah
yeah yeah topology that was uh battling
him in outer space yeah and he was
accusations and neither do i I'm totally
cool you want to know you know because
even in the Gnostic the naked army it
talks about Shaitaan is a chaton I think
I'm saying all right sure Tom look on
and it seemed to be the play off of
where the name Satan came it is that's
worse from yeah yeah exactly so you know
you have all these players early in a
day more
like Cola techne days the Easter Island
days lantus days lumeria days you have
all these players that are forgotten
because of the flood the flood obviously
got rid of just about everything to
start anew so you had these beans that
came down you know have obviously
obviously been living in other
civilizations for who knows how long the
Sumerian tablets talk a lot about Mars
being the weigh station and coming here
so when you see the buildings and you
think about way man was seven thousand
years ago five thousand years ago these
things are just completely impossible I
mean I love when people try to wrap
their mind about having these five ten
70-ton rocks coming down on barges on
the river and how they're placed inside
the pyramid yeah like a pyramid was
built around these coffers I think that
way just astronomical you know it it's
impossible it's vibration it sounds it's
music it's Pythagorean teaching it's
learning to take these things
it's a knowledge that we don't know then
it's not that we didn't know maybe some
of us didn't know 5,000 3,000 years ago
but whatever it was you know you have
toast with the Ibis head you have the
Matadors you have these half beads and
it talks about it in the Bible and it
talks about it in Enoch and all that
were you know they were kind of messing
with the creation and all kinds of
beings were kind of made up you got it
in Greek mythology it's all over the
place I prefer to live in that world
actually probably was pretty cool it's
you know to me it's pretty cut and dry
plain and simple that at least through
the Christian Bible you'll the Old
Testament and stuff like that and these
guides and the players were these beings
they might look to a higher being
through the book and the teachings don't
get me wrong but because they had to
come from somewhere to write I mean
what's that I said because if they're
created beings they have to have a
creator as well right they have to come
from some
and that's that's who we look at or at
least I'd like to think we look at maybe
it's not completely but you know that's
where it is it's just we I think I think
we're just learning more about whatever
that is every day and it's just that's
what blows your mind and that's a good
place to be
birds are singing I got it all figured
out this side is it was just this is it
you know every day I know and one of
cool things that and I think this is
where my second book might come in I I
love the timeline when like the Old
Testament was written around 600 BC in
captivity in Babylon okay so it was
doesn't mean it was all put together and
but it was definitely it was brought
together in that captivity where the Jew
the Jewish God brought them into
captivity into Babylon
now that's 600 500 now something
happened cuz you have Plato talking
about it you have Pythagoras talking
about it okay and then something
happened but if you look at the
Mesoamerica is in America at that same
time when these gods seem when God got
quiet you know Chris I got quiet
why don't we hurt here from a more
accept through the Jesus standing of 30
years um and Paul when God got quiet I'm
very sure that whatever these beans were
or whoever they were died was part of
the Babylonian Catholic Pantheon and in
the Jewish who walked them how to Egypt
and stuff like that it's very
interesting that all these Mesoamerican
cultures chips Nitza to tod wakhan I
can't say fukuko
because that seems a little bit older
but talking about the Nazca lines
talking about Peru talking about Bolivia
all these nations started rising at that
same time that right after the captivity
of Jewish people and it seemed like the
gods disappeared from the eastern
hemisphere yes that's one of the things
that I want to put together in in a
coming book because it seems like when
it stopped in the Middle East it started
in the Americas because they're stories
about Magellan coming to the Americas
and a female giant that they had on his
ship I think there's two of them if I
understand the story correctly the size
was I
sighs but 15 feet 20 feet or even bigger
so these things were around whether
people won't believe it or not so
whatever happens seem like it shifted
from one side one side of the earth to
the other side of the earth until
something else happens again because
even the Toltecs you know which are kind
of like they were spiritual people of
Mexico you know certain Olmecs these
people just disappeared gonna mean
Easter Island and whatever was there you
know it was a big deal that's the
rapture man they were taken out of here
buddy yeah no doubt so it's just I like
putting those pieces together something
happened that shifted where it seemed
like the people weren't willing to deal
with it or worship it anymore
so they tried going to a new people and
it lasted for some time maybe another
thousand two thousand years I'm just
curious
put those pieces I'll actually be going
to Chichen itzÃ¡ with an ext on eight
that explorations in expeditions in
November so I have some more stuff
coming out with that so it should be
pretty cool Wow but things like I got
written down here I know we can just
keep going to keep going up and I'm good
as long as as long as you are you just
let me know
great um so I don't see what it was all
right let's just let me go here first
all right you mentioned you liked the
New Testament the teachings of Christ
following Christ and stuff like that but
you mentioned you not into the Pauline
epistles pretty much anymore
yes libyans I like Paul I like Paul I
think I think he was a pretty spiritual
dude we're talking about taking trips
astral traveling to heaven you know and
in what about Peter though this
beautiful in that category with you or
just Paul because there's be and I say
that I want to preface that because
there's I like Paul there's some people
against that Pauline Pauline
Christianity where they exalt gyah Paul
over Jesus not into that okay some
people say Paul is the Antichrist like
there are I don't know if you've ran
into that like Dave
right they got they got it mapped out
pretty good too if you're open-minded
it's really convincing about how he's
changing what Jesus said and adding this
to it and all types of crazy stuff so
they say was Paul a disciple or a
deceiver and a lot of people think he's
Anti Christ I'm not going down that road
I happen to like Paul but you don't look
at it like that you're right okay you're
not going that far okay you can help you
with this too because it's been a little
bit but then Paul mentioned Christ more
than he mentioned the name Jesus he was
a Christ bender wasn't anything you know
what I mean
didn't he use the name Christ more than
Jesus not sure about more either/or I'm
not really sure okay
all right it's something I was
reflecting on earlier and I just wanted
to get back to but yeah so all in all I
mean you have the Gnostic teachings of
Paul - um which are pleasant um there's
a lot of good things in it but I think
the issue with me is the most
Christianity yeah yeah they're not
following Jesus or following Paul
exactly I'm with you on that yeah so
that that's it
you know what I mean okay yeah okay
think about everything Paul did you know
I mean I would never want to disrespect
that you know what I mean heart I love
workers in the field man so you know my
house um yeah it's pretty um I forgot
what I was gonna say it's not about
Peter I don't know yeah well it's like
Peter when you talk about the food
coming down on the bead yeah
kill and eat and stuff like that you
know my family's like half vegetarian
and honestly dude it's just like people
can do what they want all I know is I've
had strokes I have bad health because of
anxiety and stuff like that and I
decided to be more the only thing I
haven't really gotten away from his
chicken but we've become more vegetarian
so it's just like you know I just
remember a lot of Christians always
using that scripture to justify the long
huh breaking the law and Eden on
clean-out yeah yeah you know what I'm
saying so but I've just learned that you
know as humans were the you know
when you go all the way back to the
beginning of the Bible it talks about
the larger beings the sons of God
starting to eat man and eating the
animals and Oh God so if it appalled God
back then why one what changed you know
I mean it seems like we are more bent
for a natural diet it's you know um I'm
coming to that revelation I'm coming I'm
coming there - it's still a it's it's a
process it's a process like we actually
did we were Messianic Christians for
like eight years and what we were trying
to get out of Babylon and one other
thing was things was eating according to
the law you know whatever God said not
to eat so that scripture came up a lot
trust me hey you guys you don't want
bacon why well cos God said don't eat it
and we're just trying to stick to that
diet oh yes he did he brought him down
in a and a blanket and said take and eat
but if you get to the you know I'm
saying to the bottom of that story like
it kind of interprets itself that was
symbolic like those unclean animals were
symbolic for people or beasts and uh and
it was for Peter to bring the gospel to
the Gentiles he wouldn't be around
Gentiles they called him dogs you know
I'm saying they looked at him as like
second-class citizens and he wasn't
gonna go to them he had a dream where
God said take and eat he's seen all the
unclean animals that Jews do not eat
they're not that's they're not even
considered food God and I I'm with that
I don't think God created that those
especially unclean animals to be food
like they are the garbage disposals
there's the cleanup crew you are what
you ate scratch that you are what you
eat ate yeah and and that's in your
blood and then they hold nasty and bugs
and all kind of crazy stuff within their
skin so I really do believe in that but
I'm at the point now it's like my
struggle is isn't about if I eat a
shrimp piece of bacon my struggle is
getting all the meat out whatsoever you
don't saying yes I go cuz we taught that
for years and we have people who now eat
kosher because of things we taught and
then they're like yeah you got you got
to get back on
like I'm trying to get back on
vegetarian like that's the struggle now
like I mean Kurt Cobain said it's okay
to eat fish though yeah because they
don't have any feelings no it's so it's
wrap your mind around it and doing
better and I think they enhance your
your walk with God your thinking process
this is my favorite story from Standing
Rock roll easy-peasy man show up at
Standing Rock pitch a tent next to the
Hupa tribe from California walk-up
eating an apple one morning look at the
fire that they have nicely made dug into
the ground and finished was my Apple and
I threw the cord in the fire and the
chief at the time reached writing the
fire and pulled the core out and looked
at me and said it's all cool man but
fire sacred and it just blew my mind
because I didn't realize so many things
that I was missing that like every
extension of our self is sacred so you
know kind of with the whole food thing
it's just it's a tough one man
you know I mean we've come so far and
have been kind of lied to about a lot of
things so if we're trying to trying to
figure it out again and I think yeah
every side saying this is right no
that's right don't eat anything
oh you can eat this and I just know
what's best for me I do better I feel
better you know yeah I'm working that's
what you got to go with what makes you
feel better your body is functioning
better what I just like I said if you're
gonna read your Bible and you think you
know if you're gonna throw me out for
one truth why aren't you paying
attention the other truth actually you
know first or second chapter in the
Bible where it says that the beans
started eat each other you know
and Enoch too you know so Enochs a dead
ringer to me man you know it it is in
the Bible they just don't know it is a
deep one man is the one they needed to
hide from us and there was actually
scriptures in the Old Testament
that says that some of these books will
be kid and it will be revealed at the
end towards the end of the age they'll
come back there's other books where it
talks about that God will steal the
knowledge and those who are learned in
those who were studied and they won't be
able to understand it it is to the lowly
it's to the those who were unlearned God
will give the revelation of the book
that's where we are that's what it's
about spirit it's not about I got all
these books I've done the research I've
done that's good
but if you're not tapped in with the
spirit then it doesn't even serve you
you can't tell me nothing why are we
going to people everybody's got
something to say about Jesus he's this
he's dad he never existed he was a
mushroom whatever why are we going to
these people yeah why are we going to
these people who don't have a
relationship with him and we're letting
we're letting him you know if we letting
them tell us about him yeah I know I
know it let me let me tell you about him
I know him a little bit I you know I
know I went to all the other nations but
that's one thing that's cool about Jesus
though is that the other nations
reference him of course all the other
books
the Hindus yes Jesus came here and he
was he was he learned for 20 years and
they have a shrine built to mother Mary
and say that's where she died and he's
mitching of in the Quran all of these
other stories and all these other
religions they all give veneration at
least to say that he existed
it might not say he was the son of God
and the prophet of God but they say they
know he came here he taught our people
he learned under some of the gurus like
that he's in their stories right yeah
man and that's one of the reasons why I
wrote the Aquarian we wrote the Aquarian
gospel I am the first author to
retransfer I the original texts from
1906 oh that's because I started I
actually started reading the the
introduction last night and I was kind
of I was kind of wondering so you you
rewrote everything just kind of just
kind of changed the wording and kind of
translate 188 chapters all nothing was
paraphrase and
more or less it was just versus so I
just learned that I wanted to create
something that people even my
grandmother can sit down and enjoy to
read so I really turned into a novel but
I mean it's taken from the Akashic
records in the late 1880s through about
1900 now is he is he the originator of
the Akashic records was he just someone
that tapped into it no come on trick
question guy no I'm not no I thought :
he tapped into it you know it's there
I'd like to tap into it no but you see
you see the first one that kind of
coined the phrase you know um you could
be onto something there you know that
yeah I'm not rooster I know what the
cost of records are but I'm not real I
don't know who was the guy who came out
tell you how to do it Levi Dowling is
that he was one of the first I'm gonna
miss the term again doctorate used
medicine what do they call it
oh no yeah yeah felissa he's one of the
first ones so that's what really makes
this author really interesting to me him
and his dad were also trying to create a
one-world Church in the United States
they were first ones I forget the name
of the movement it's in the introduction
but more or less they were trying to get
all the churches underneath one roof to
be one people which again amazes me so
when I read the Aquarian gospel people
will question well it's not authentic
the guy had meditated and got visions to
playback the life of Jesus and I say I
look at the character of the person and
I say he's worth following he's worth
looking into because that's what it as a
person and then the Aquarian gospel goes
into the missing years and really the
teachings are unbelievable but best
teachings I haven't read and that's why
I said I don't need to get behind the
occurring gospel and make it a matter of
fact some people you know already came
to me so and so don't think this is
authentic I'm like oh letter or not what
I say this thing oh they're gonna say
that about every text though because
they're saying that about Enoch and
powerful Enoch is they said about the
Bible yes sure they almost didn't
include Jude in it because Jude
referenced Enoch in the Bible like all
of these things of like yeah there's
only a certain amount of text that were
found so they're not is people every
book and you know some council got
together in 300 even the book that the
Christians are reading today it's not
the book were inspired the council got
together people who aren't inspired got
together to tell you what books are
inspired by the Holy Spirit
though as far as copyright is concerned
there are some books that are not well
known out there I do see some references
to sacred texts calm in here there's
some books on there that aren't well
known how does that work with to take
his work and and get the copyright on
and be able to make edits and kind of
kind of saying reprinted and still have
his name in there it's up like that how
does that work the cool thing about this
actual work real quick my second book
was going to be called in the light of
gnosis and it was specifically all the
teachings that Jesus said I know
Clady here which is from New Zealand
awesome gospel love it to death and all
the teachings of Jesus I was put in one
book and the Aquarian gospel was sort of
like the core of this book it was a big
book and then right when I was getting
ready to kind of publish it something
hit me and it was all about the Aquarian
I got rid of everything else the
Aquarian gospel was never copyrighted
because it was printed in 2006-2007 I'm
sorry 2000 1906 1907 copyrights came out
in the 1920s so it was never protected
and anyway it's over a hundred years
over its publication but you know I find
the first publication of it and I'm
asking the book because there's a text
and in general that I'm really into I
don't know if you know about it
the recognitions of Clemente yeah great
great great book is you have an imprint
print version that's another one that in
the gospel yes he was a disciple of
Barnabas yeah yeah yeah Clement awesome
deep stuff about demons and how they
operate and yeah books authentic from a
philosopher you know I mean but so did I
answer your question no it was never
copyright because we didn't have
copyright in that I mean 15-20 years
later so I took everybody if you go
online and Amazon and put the Aquarian
gospel and you'll get like 20 or 30 of
them because you are allowed to put a
new cover on and take the text and sell
it period but I did put a cover on it
rewrite it I think one thing people are
doing that with Clement cuz I tried to
hit a dude up who did that I was like
bro I need you on the podcast man like
you we got to talk about this book and
he's like he wouldn't do it and I'm like
I don't think he and this was some years
ago when I first read it I think he just
put a cover on it and put it out on
Amazon to download for $10 at least 10
20 versions of the original I'm the
first one to obviously translate it into
something yeah well that one we're
discussing copyrights I mean that's one
thing about the Bible and all the
different translations and versions
there's and so many of them and the
reason there are is like the the rod
parsley Bible the Benny Hinn Bible the
creflo dollar Bible they all have their
own Bible but in order for them to be
able to sell it and reprint it they have
to make so many changes to the text they
can't just put their name on it and do a
little commentary like they have to
change so many words that's why like and
from the front from you there's a lot of
people tell you that the King James took
out the die sign and dine in the New
King James but there's so much that's
that's changed from those earlier
versions and the reason they do that is
so that they can get a copyright on it
and sell it and they'll change they'll
change it up and you have the message my
daughter like was she goes to a
Christian school and they had to learn
John 3:16 I'm listening I'm like what
the heck are y'all readin
like what they did it to the message and
there was a big backlash against a
message that the New Agers and people
wrote that by that version but it was
just so like weird say man that's John
3:16 like I heard a couple things in it
but they just trying to make it too
plain and stuff never did stuff no I can
totally relate to you maybe we can talk
outside this podcast obviously but as
you can see in the word gnosis I rewrote
revelation underneath the name and ago
geo scribe which is Greek for mystical
interpretation of ascribe but I took I
took the books in Revelation and put
them in proper order meaning that like
the falling the following away also what
I call the Atlantis in Revelation and
we're about the you know a lot of people
think it's today about the the ship
fairing country that all the nations
wept when they saw her destruction you
know whenever you need to live in her
again to me that bottomless to me
Revelation is and someone told me this
way back in a Bible study in the late
90s that said you know Revelation is
past and I looked at the dude and I
laughed in this one and I'm like don't
tell the others ok trouble you know you
came here with me and stuff and then you
know 10-15 years go by and I'm like a
lot of the revelation I think at all of
those man he's you know so I took parts
of Revelation and move them into a right
order of things is what I call them even
when Enoch when I rewrote Enoch in there
and it's very pleasant and very easy to
read I took out the teachings of Noah
and that were mixed in with the texts
and got everything on a proper timeline
the first half of Enoch is all I care to
read anyway what's that the first half
of Enoch is all that's the sad thing is
like in my book the word gnosis at the
end of Enoch it goes into this I think
it's a scribe because you can tell from
the writings of Enoch and also at the
end there's just like this judgment and
this Hellfire that comes out of nowhere
and to me it was a text that was written
that had Enoch on it and passed the law
with someone else's view at the end now
it isn't the word analysis I'm not happy
about it but I wanted to keep the text
together I don't want to dam anybody um
you know I'm just like that
so only love can do that and drown
people Christ man you know that's one of
my biggest Saints and damnation has
never saved anybody and there's a cross
on Jesus back only love can do that man
so like I said with Enoch I wanted to
keep the whole because I had a problem
with this came out in my first book my
first publication
I took revelation and I got rid of the
introduction and the end where it says
anybody adds to or takes away from any
these texts will spend an eternity in
hell and I cut it because it was the end
of a letter and if you were adding to it
nah you know I said this is where like
my brother I haven't spoken to since
2012 yeah Young told me I found out that
I changed the text and remove stole I
was like you know what it wasn't that
important I was just trying to show the
whole text without what I thought was
another scribes input at the end because
why would God or Jesus threaten anyway I
saw it so when this happened with my
brother kind of criticizing me for
removing something I made sure in the
next version of the word gnosis that I
kept everything tight and I didn't
removing so it just made that if I
didn't want anybody to think I had
something up my sleeve that I was trying
to move or add something it just it
makes sense other than that everything
is you know politically corrected in
life there's a there's a weird
transition there when you start
venturing outside of the Bible as a
Christian like okay what can I get into
okay now a lot of people's getting in
the enoch years ago when you were
getting into this it's more accepted now
you you're liable to go to church in
your pastor quote enoch now well sure
you know even like 10 years ago it
wasn't though like i had people like it
wasn't good the code enoch in churches
or talk about the Illuminati or fallen
angel to really get into the stuff
that's now it's it's memes it's
everywhere now but when you foot and you
finally cross that threshold of getting
into those books that they tell you to
stay
away from their forbidden books of the
Bible
Oh is forbidden fruit here I'm not
supposed to know this type you stop
don't say that all scripture period
exactly would that's one a description
that's one of the things that say you
know go ahead and read it and all of its
inspired it was in there once man find
out what it said especially like I said
and then Dan and then Jude you know
reading the book of Jude Jude quotes
Enoch okay well let's go read Enoch it's
quoted in the Bible and you're really
knocking in you find out you get a kind
of game plan about what was to come or
how these demons operate or whatever
then you start reading the Bible
breaking it down even more and you start
finding if EJ and I'll just say this
there's a program called East sword
there's a lot of Bible program so you
probably do this even with Google but
type in in the Bible like a Bible search
book of pipe in book of and you're gonna
find maybe hundreds of quotes in the
Bible that says as it is written in the
book of the Wars of the Israelites as it
is written in the book of shamaya the
Prophet as it is written in the book of
II do the Prophet as it is written in
Enoch hold on who is shamaya
who is II do the Prophet as it is
written in the book of Samuels Aesir
hold on like who are these who is EDA
who is shamaya and where are their books
the Bible quotes it the Bible is quoting
these these other texts that cannot be
found only a few there's a few of them
that the you know Jubilees and there's a
bunch of them that were inspired in and
were around that aren't mentioned but
let's deal with the books that are
mentioned Enoch is one of those books
Jubilees is one of those books the Sun
as it is written in the book of Jubilees
I think it is the Sun Stood Still then
we get that story about the Sun standing
still I believe it's Jubilees and um
there's a lot of stuff in there just
opens you up so it's not about getting
bored with the Bible it's about being
fascinated with the Bible it's quoting
these other texts why what does it say
why did they take it out and it just
snowballing and say man you know and you
have to
it opens the door but to have that in
front of you in okay this kind of scary
is venturing out and I don't know if I
should read this my pastor said no you
know that kind of stuff you know
book of Jasher Christie says yeah book
of Jasher I said you believes well
Jubilees and Josh are both books yeah
but um do you think it happened in David
and Solomon in Bible when you actually
know and you go back and you start
looking at the way David spoke and
Solomon spoke David you know the God
doesn't delight in sacrifices well isn't
that your culture been going on for a
long time you know and even with Solomon
there's a there's a black magic book I
tried to read and it was the same time I
kind of was going through my face yeah
getting into the Cobra and the other
books but I couldn't read it and I still
have it but it was it was a very dark oh
do you think it was by Solomon though a
lot of times you're you're fine I do
think that there are books out there
that sure this one was authentic okay
well I put it down I started reading and
I was like this is kind of black I might
read it today and maybe I'll see in a
different light because I I mean that's
good that's good to note too because as
we're talking about the Book of Enoch
and how beautiful it is and how powerful
it is there's people are going to try to
find it and they're gonna find the keys
of Enoch right and they're gonna find
these magical spells written up in their
keys of Enoch on how to summon angels
and all this stuff in the same thing
within yeah the keys of Solomon have the
keys of Solomon in the keys of veena I
haven't read either one I know what's in
them I've only read little pieces it's
different for you guys listen it's
different than the Book of Enoch and the
testament of Solomon yeah
both are definitely go hand if you want
to understand the spirit realm if you
want to understand the Bible you need
both of those books yeah I'll say that
what authority like you really do
there's terms and phrases and demons
that are mentioned that they're only
mention of in those books and Jesus is
talking about them openly and we don't
have
reference point but those books yeah
that's that's because religion more or
less did not want us to know that we
were here due to a creator of God and
that you have influence and you can
communicate with those beings like if
you can communicate with the beans God
if you can communicate with God I mean
that was their thing you can't
communicate with God you have to go to
the priests and he communicates with God
for you have to go to your past year to
go to you leadership go to your elder
but Jesus his whole thing was like look
I'm ripping all this veil down I'm
tearing up which I'll trying to build
keeping people away from their father
and I'm going to I'm gonna bridge the
gap between you and the father you have
access to him through what I've done
what I've shown you what I'm you know
the the work that I've laid out and
that's what he did he tore down he told
the veil that separated mere men from
going to their creator and that's like
people are saying like you know Jesus is
like for control and they wrote the
Bible to control us like best you know
saying that's straight liberation
tearing down the wall that you have to
go to a pastor you have to go to a
shaman or like ever trust me there's
times for that right we need those
leaders we need shamans we need priests
at times in our lives someone who is in
tune with the spirit prophets preachers
teachers evangelists we need those
people who are seasoned but you can just
look within and go straight to the
Father and that's what they've taken out
of the books that's what they've taken
the angelic contact that you can there's
books by angels supposedly the book of
Gabriel some deep stuff in that on if
you've checked that out but there's some
really interesting stuff that they've
taken out and all of it is to take the
power away from the individual and give
it to the church you give the power to
the church that you have to submit to
the authority you can't go to God but
that kind of stuff we have we have a
torch to carry you and I and many of
other of us others and those listening
we have an aggressive youth right now
meaning that we've come through I was
born in 73 man I came out through to 70s
and 80s
then the religion phase and stuff like
that and I learned a truth man and we
carry a torch and we're meant to be the
same character that we have been
studying and loving and abiding within
and I think we hold the responsibility
of passing that on to other generations
because honestly you know the church is
declining seems like a yes to me I hear
kids saying there's power yeah yeah and
I think there's an all of us kind of
that are listening here because I know a
lot of us have summer ideals there's
something bigger and better going on
that it still can be a community like
that same with your class on Thursday
nights you know I mean I I so look
forward to plugging in and being a part
of it I miss the Fellowship's and the
Bible studies and the teaching exactly
you have to replace it I've met with
somebody this week about being in the
raw Scotians coming out of the masonry I
like the initiations I like symbolism I
love and I find out
gnosis ritual yeah and most of its
online teaching which is great but I do
personally like the the church setting
you know I mean meaning that you get
together brothers and sisters and you
know can hold each other's hands and
pray can tell deeper into things get
some real spiritual movement within you
know where you are I am also you know
and yeah that part I I want us to people
like you and I be able to grow and
expand upon and you know give people a
place to go other than telling people to
get the heck out there's a fire you know
I mean it's like we need to be able to
create something that brings people in
it makes them feel welcome you know
having um not by me on religion out of
it but by having fellowship yeah it's
tricky because I'm doing that now 100%
doing that and it's still tricky because
even in those circles you had a leader
I may be an overseer I'm not a I'm not
the I'm an I'm not at the top of the
pinnacle I'm helping create this stuff
but there's other people who are coming
there's other people this is
how our hierarchy really works in the
body of Christ is sideways there is no
one there's no pastor we all look up to
him
no so a lot of the guys who have done
that a lot of teachers and preachers and
gurus and shamans we can name them
they've built a community but the
community is around them and I'm trying
to consciously you know step away but be
there but like I'm not the guy you know
what I'm saying yes I'm orchestrating
the things of running it but it's not
about me being the teacher and and I'm
consciously doing that so you can't say
that oh you guys you have all these
followers I don't have I don't have any
followers
like if you if anybody sees anything
good in me it's because of what Christ
has done right it's because that I'm
connected and tuned in and they have to
tune in if they're just listening to
this as the knowledge part as a
spectator I really believe that they're
doing it wrong if they're not going to
they don't all have to do the work
themselves they don't all have to get
get in the enoch they don't all have to
stargaze and and see that like they
don't all have to do that that's the of
learning from one another that we've
done that we can bring it back and we
can share it openly and give them the
power as well but it's really
interesting in creating the community
where because it's easy to be put on a
pedestal it's easy and I've got people
who have done it and they're drunk off
of their own praises I've been there as
a Christian rapper like again back in
the day and applauses of men are
intoxicating so I'm conscious of that
moving forward man and it's beautiful
and it's possible you know what I'm
saying we're in a really good place man
and and thank you for believing in it
and everybody listening there's a bunch
of people listening live to commenting
Chris bars are saying what's up to you
he wants to let you know he's watching
and he's telling you to hop on discord
this cords a chat client that we used to
get in conversation and prayer and just
lift each other up when we're having a
bad day and have questions and need an
encouraging word like it's a chat
program with through text and also voice
chat too and it's like it's creating
that community so if you've got a few
minutes jump on
there is a couple people in conversation
they throwing ideas about the Bible
about the bath agita about other
whatever it is we don't have it all
figured out you know what I'm saying a
world Kay with that it's things that you
stand upon those things that you know
but it's a look I always say run from
those people man
run from the people who say this is like
they have an answer for everything like
they got it all figured out they're
lying they are lying to you I can tell
you some things that I've encountered
that they know nothing about not saying
it about me because the next person they
know things that I don't know and it's
about coming together and understanding
the true spirit of unity that's what
it's about coming together with all of
our experiences with all of our pieces
of the puzzle there's things we don't
agree on there's things that we're gonna
butt heads on or whatever but that's
cool like it's if it's if it's not worth
dying over it's not worth losing a
friend or being an [Â __Â ] over like I'm
not gonna do it right I'm a walking
grace and peace and let's build together
unless it's dangerous stuff or whatever
the case is that Baudette people to
bring it to the table um that's my rant
about community and the sad thing is is
that I found out that everybody that I
knew from the body from the church for
many many years for those almost 20
years was mainly reliant on my
relationship with their God Jesus when I
didn't when I didn't subscribe to that
they didn't want anything to do with me
I I was you know able to be thrown out
that's what I'm sure you deal with it to
everyone it's kind of died down but I
would have people check in to messenger
every once in a while yo man they're
using staged you know yeah Jesus you
know and just like just if somebody
comes up to me today anybody and they're
they asking that question I will say no
but I will say no because that's what
they want to hear that's what they want
to know that's all they're relying I'm
an enigma though
I love being and like like like a whole
enigma
I'll talk the good talk like they know
that I'm like I can I'm like you I know
the Bible better than them that's why
they did that's why they never came to
us bro do you know that
because you know what better they're
intimidated they were scared to bring
bring correction to you because you
would have handled them with the
scriptures
you know that we've had to put up with
that that's a part of being a that's a
harsher judgment that your judgment for
being a teacher being someone who's
studied as part of it they have a term
for us how ghosting they used to call it
excommunicated from the body your ghost
it just stay away from oh maybe don't
talk to him he'll fade away you know
that kind of stuff but um it's hard you
know
people have people are going through it
we went through it and there's so much
just to say about it man and if that's
owned if that's the only reason this
show exists it's for a really good
reason but to help people who have been
excommunicated or people who like to
have a beer and they love Jesus oh no no
no you can't drink brother you're
drunker drunkards won't inherit the
kingdom like and they get rid of you and
you're just like you know because you
believe something different and you're
okay with that you're authentic and you
got excommunicated and kicked out you
know like there's so many people bro
this show caters to those people which
are people who were in the church who
love God with all their heart mind soul
and strength they love God and love
Christ with everything but they're
different but they're outcasts but they
hear spirits but they see aliens but
they love you know Marilyn Manson I
don't know whatever it is like they're
different there's something that doesn't
shift with them so they're not part of
the body they're you know made fun of
all kind of little weird tactics or
whatever it's for those people you can
be whoever God created you to be you can
like that stuff and as long as a healthy
good stuff we don't want to promote you
know people being okay with bad stuff
that they're it's stuff that's killing
them right we want to help them and then
on the other hand its it caters to
people who are into the New Age who are
into gnosis but there's something more
I've studied all the gnosis I've read
all the books I've done it all true
seeker what is it that you had that I
don't have what is it bro I'm doing all
the stuff okay okay you get it and let
me show you what it is and I can pray
with that person to receive the Holy
Spirit to receive the infilling of
Christ and had that personal tangible
relationship where it all becomes real
it becomes real and all the knowledge
and everything
it makes sense I've been a part of that
that's amazing I this is why I keep
that's why I put up with the ridicule
there laughing oh you guys are
channeling aliens you guys are you know
you guys are we going outside the Bible
because you're tired of the Bible huh
and although just stuff over the years
I'm being funny but it's very hard but
it's worth it and it's always worth it
and that encouraged people to keep on
keepin on no matter like it's gonna be
worth it in the end it really is if you
don't give up and you're faithful and
you stick with it yeah 18 years in the
building and five six seven years
outside we haven't been to church in two
to three years now well actually more
well how do you physically for Christmas
last year which I used to sit in the
pews and scoff at all the people coming
in at Easter and Christmas I have never
liked even though I was alive and
passionate and doing so many ministries
in the church I still went to church for
that filling I didn't have the
one-on-one relationship that I do with
God today yeah it's amazing
I I I sit here with you I walk around I
Drive around
I am constantly a modern philosopher a
lot of people meditate I haven't
completely got there yet I think on my
feet and I talk to God while I'm
constantly moving in all things and it
doesn't have to show up a praise and
worship it doesn't have to show up at a
sermon it doesn't have to be in a body
my life with God is becoming just what
Jesus asked him what he kind of
portrayed he just walked well he was the
image of the Father you seen me you've
seen the father that's that's what my
aim is and that's where my faith and my
walk have got to these days I mean it's
beautiful I mean I warn anybody else I
kind of came with my children about it
sometimes but that's really died a
couple years back I I've seen the glory
um I have nothing left here is up to
give to other people you know what I
mean I don't there's nothing else I need
and I'm just I'm not hold
anything anymore and it's just so
beautiful where I'm at and I can have my
tea my Jesus my teachings and you know
love God love the Great Spirit love
Allah love whatever you want to call
them we're all worshipping the same one
sadly enough and with all the deficients
um you know and as children we just need
to be able to serve humanity and be
there for each other and it's just so
lost because there's so many
denominations and divisions and it's
that's why I feel blessed I'm a writer
because I have these two books I wrote
so one day my great-great grandkids are
gonna be like what did grandfather sins
are write about and I feel like I'm
doing my family line a favor by him
enabling them to see something that not
everybody would bring to them yeah and I
tell my kids all the time if anything
ever happens to me
I only say my books I actually say the
Cold War never happens to me please do
me a favor and read the aldryn
yeah beyond blessing so the actual
subject it's it's the path man it really
is
and I choose we were talking about it
way early in the conversation about you
know not to say there isn't heaven or
hell so to speak that we find those
things within ourselves I the Hermetic
teaching is what I always feel good
about is literally good returns too good
dad returns too bad man
you can't fake it you know I have things
I do I struggle with and I think about
if my life was the flash before my eyes
what would I see me happy with it did
you know did I serve that I loved you
know it's very is really simple it's not
judgment it's not criticism it's not
hating people that don't believe what
you believe it's loving humanity and
moving on from this earth plane man and
hopefully you get to write that you know
if if you choose you don't come back you
know a lot of people came back and
people don't believe in that but we have
a larger just think I just want to get
it right man you know I really do it's
it's yeah at the end of the day I'm with
you on that you know at the end of the
day
over at all it's all love then you
helped cuz you got you got a look you
know I'm saying 50 years from now 60
years I don't know how much longer we
have you know not promised tomorrow but
you want to be able to look back and say
okay did what I did I do something that
matter did I contribute did somebody
who's having a bad day a bad life that
did I help them whatever it may been a
beautiful song in my case that takes
them on a journey and lets them know
that God hasn't forgot about them let
them know that there's more to life than
just whatever you know through these
podcasts whatever whatever I mean that's
just something but to be a friend you
know I'm saying to be a good father a
good husband and just learning what
those things are and being the best that
you can be and when you do mess up you
mess up and you know that you messed up
that's what you can you can learn you
don't know and and you know saying you
can evolve and be that better version of
yourself I do think that that's gonna
last what else is gonna last what else
what else can we do the brain I know we
could try to go go big or go home I
think I think I'm going big I think
you're doing contributing something
pretty big pretty significant it has the
power to shape the world one person at a
time you know those type of deals but I
think it's I think I think that's what's
what in the end is gonna stand at love
man whatever is built upon love I don't
care what religion what it sounds like
what it looks like as long as it's love
yeah a big revelation speaks about that
about you know what I think's revelation
what remains is the goal yeah
the what hay and stubble being brought
up yeah yeah yeah and to me I always
envisioned that not always I do too
yeah as a stroll through the earth plane
just like the Space Shuttle man it
having a bird up to a saying wow yeah
yeah yeah so to me it really makes sense
you know and you know love is the key
and I know that it's cliche but it
doesn't matter man it's it's it's what
keeps me alive it's what keeps tears
rolling down my face when I can't quite
comprehend the wickedness of this world
yeah actually it's kind of funny because
me and my wife just got the Green Mile
this week here watch it yeah yeah I
haven't watched in a long time because
even as tears try to come out of my eyes
right now
I beg God to take my sensitivity away
because I couldn't talk to people even
at school when I got in fights it's like
I beat someone up and I'd get in
principal's office I'm like why do you
do it and I just kept trying so when I
watched The Green Mile the one night
back in like 2000 2001 my best friend
was dying of cancer and I went outside
of my mom's house had a cigarette and
said God please please please please
take these tears from my face I can't
talk to people
I can't witness I can't I can't I just
didn't feel like I can function being so
in that situation and honestly dude 17
18 years it's removed dude I have people
come and go I people die I have some
really weird situations Kate would cry
it doesn't even get close to my mind
because everything's temporal in time is
something else bro like time adds this
way of dealing with people and changing
people you know and knowing I guess
maybe tom brings it into perspective
that you don't live forever in this
flesh here it brings things into
perspective it heals in and time is
something else man I hate you know I
love change and stability but I hate to
see hardships and people struggle and
people in time just beat people up and
and I think that you know the foundation
that we have and in its practical you
know it's not just in theory it's not
just conspiracy theory or whatever its
truth it's like stuff you can it's going
to help you be a better person and it's
gonna help people and that's what
matters man it really does yeah you
probably saw the post recently but you
know I haven't known a lot about the
Palestinian in Israel situation because
being a Christian I was taught yeah yeah
me9 is will and I can't go wrong so
anyway just real quick talk about times
and moments in life back in May
I became friends with several
Palestinians that were reaching out like
the Lakota did with Standing Rock
they started reaching out to people that
they didn't know to say hey there's
something going on here we need help in
the world needs to see this and there
was a moment where there was a widow of
the age of 23 that has a three-year-old
daughter her husband was actually killed
in 2014 war conflict over there so she
was actually living with her husband's
family and if you I don't know enough
about it and I don't want to get into it
but I imagine that woman in this
household of her husband's family and
she told me so they don't care if I live
or die so she's living in her
ex-husband's in well her husband's house
with his family and her daughter and I
said to her I said amen what can I do if
you can go would you go she said yes it
was a time I quickly got out to Facebook
I had the money to cover it but I love
getting people involved too there's a
lot of people I do want to do good works
and it actually worked
I got a good amount of contributions but
it cost about $1,100 to get her and her
daughter safely across the border now I
do have other families that we sponsor
out in South Dakota monthly so I did
have to take from that to take care of
her but it was a it was a moment in time
she's now living in Giza with her
mother's family and moms aren't being
dropped on her head every night even a
roof came into one night when I was
talking to her so it's just a moment in
time and when you see these people
suffering it's like you gotta have a
heart to get in there and help them you
know and I didn't know what to do like I
said I could have done it I could have
done it myself but I chose to you know
get a few friends involved and you know
some did come through and it was a
blessing I love you he'll turn it's all
good it's my ministry God put on my
heart you know I mean so that's where I
work so but it's at that moment in time
you can change a whole lineage you know
in one person in one family just by
rescuing and it's just it was a it's
beautiful to be a part of now we just
talk and it's weird for her as a Muslim
to talk to a man an American but we do
you know I mean they're like brother her
she considers me her dad now oh well I'm
old
there's a song out right now it's a
Christian song by michael w snow it's by
um
Matthew Matthew West and some says the
song starts off it says uh talking about
he's shaking his fist at heaven God look
at all the wars look at all the starving
children look at all the poverty violent
some of the stuff why won't you do
something about it like that's the song
I want you to do something about won't
you come down here and stop all this
stuff he says I did like I created you
I sent you to go out there and to and to
them saying help these people and be
about the gospel says like to go out and
be the hands of feet hands and feet of
God that we are God's workmanship in
Christ Jesus created to do good works to
go out there and that's the fruit of
your hope and that's the you know the
the faith in action it proves what you
believe vs. theory you believe Jesus is
God reads the Son of God out of my face
with that I just go out there and be
Jesus quit debating about who he is what
did he mean did he exist whatever
whatever there's a time I paid for that
but you have to be him man this became
man he became God to me that's the way I
saw it so when I took him off and I
Jesus came and he became God to me I
wouldn't do that heaven that's what
really changed with me I became a man I
became God yeah let's just see that for
me it's true like what I do and stuff
like that it's all great but honestly I
I don't have any reservations for my
success I really want to become
successful that I can help other people
and you have my money to help families
around the world connected and Kenya now
definitely have the Palestinian
connection Honduras as you know going
down into crew and out in South Dakota
it's just like there's so many people we
can choose to help or be there for and
you know I'm glad God has my heart if
you can do if you could do all that by
yourself man just imagine like people
you know they want to help they want
they want to get involved but they don't
think that just they don't think they
can do anything their voice isn't loud
enough for
don't have enough money you know I
always talk about the fact that I've got
the front dude who led me to the Lord
and their little group of people that
they still run with they loan this weird
prosperity gospel stuff and they believe
that God wanted them to be another yeah
they're supposed to be the wealth of the
wicked is stored up for the righteous
and God created them to be millionaires
it just the transfer hasn't happened yet
you don't have to work for not the
building not to use the gifts he's given
you you just have to wait on it God's
gonna set you up they believed in and he
was always talking about how they wanted
to open up orphanages and feed the
hungry and do all of this this stuff
whenever they won the lottery like they
believed that they was gonna win the
lottery or this somebody a pastor would
call them and say hey we got fifty
thousand dollars
they just these weird face things that
kind of go on in the church or whatever
I remember I used to think that the
pastor was gonna step down and ask me to
preach one morning or something out of
the congregation there's a lot of people
believe that it's probably never gonna
happen and it's people like waiting on
these weird ridiculous things if you
want to preach go you know go out and
preach do it like share it share your
story you don't have to wait for
permission anymore you know what I'm
saying but they weren't wanting to wait
on help to help people when they win the
lottery it's like if God can't trust you
with the few he's not gonna make you
ruler over more that's a principle to be
a good steward well what he's already
given you you want to feed the hungry
like you could do that for like five
bucks on like Wednesday's like sonic has
a special where they sell $0.25
hamburgers and we would go up and we get
a big bag of hamburgers and we go out
and feeding it was like two or three
people and we do that together but
they're like yeah man what God blesses
me when I win the lottery I'm gonna help
the homeless and we're gonna feed the
orphans and widows and it was a be the
hands and feet of Jesus like if you're
not doing it now he's not when you
you're not gonna do anything when it
gives you that money you gonna pay bills
and pay your debts and all that kind
stuff but if you're doing it now if
you're busy if he comes back and finds
you working we're like the parables
talked about that's what he's supposed
to be doing you come back y'all in here
having Bible studies and like debating
each other
back later we're busy but anyway we're
getting kind of sentimental here we're
talking about the route behind what we
do and stuff and it is very sentimental
because we've put up with a lot of stuff
in order to come out victorious on the
other side but going back to the book I
just got there was one thing that I
wanted to ask you about and just kind of
bring up the notion about the Aquarian
gospel and this is about another man's
revelation through meditation through
prayer whatever having these encounters
with Jesus and receiving information
from the Akashic records which we can
tap into ourselves like you said and he
comes out with this just this good work
telling people how to do good deeds and
be a better person and tap in and stuff
like that there's a lot of people who
come out with this book so we uh someone
in church would see this a hip you know
like you said hey man that's another
gospel bro and bring in another gospel
then jesus warned us of that Paul warned
us of another gospel of these type of
things but if we look at Paul if we look
at Joseph Smith if we look at Muhammad
you know and all these other people they
all had these encounters with white
light with angelic beings who were given
who received their calling who received
their message and they a lot of
Christians one of like lump Paul in a
different category as Muhammad or Paul
in a different category as Joseph Smith
but essentially he's riding on the back
of a horse and has an encounter with a
white light who eventually says was
Jesus and we have those encounters we
write books inspired by similar
encounters what's the difference why
like you know can you see the similarity
there well I can like you said it's like
some people will recognize one but not
the other it's always been because this
is what it is or this is the Word of God
or they were told such it's like they
accept it but someone else comes in with
a similar idea and it's not the same
thing people do it all the time you know
and one of the great things about the
Aquarian gospel I think it's a synopsis
of all the gospel scarer I'm pretty sure
it's the best gospel that's ever been
written period it'll tie all the other
ones
together with the missing years and he
hasn't going into Greece and it all
makes sense it really does it brings
joseph of arimathea in as his uncle as
the rightful man being his Mary's
brother to bring in when Joseph died he
was the the next father in line the
uncle whether way are you saying that
Joseph was used as his father no wait
oh you mean Joseph Joseph yeah probably
sounds good I'll buy you know I'll save
my favorite gospel though not my
favorite gospel I'm sorry my favorite
line and I'm probably gonna do this book
too because I have already done it the
Gospels Marcion where the Gospel of Luke
has come from starts out within the year
of Augustus Caesar blah blah blah Jesus
came down into Jerusalem it's my
favorite line I'm fine with that too I'm
fine with John what Jesus coming down I
like that yeah yeah so so let me just
back that up a little bit all right more
with Jesus coming down then you know a
flesh birth but it's all good mm-hmm
like I said I don't I don't need to
really honestly I don't need to figure
that one out right now so it's
interesting I've studied it on both
sides and yeah got some good stuff on it
um well I mean he talked constantly
talks about his siblings and stuff like
that we talked about his father he
called Joseph his father
everybody everybody said Joseph was his
father but if you asked but Joseph yeah
I don't when you ask me the question I
was thinking biblically and how it's
yeah I say that because like that's uh
when you if you was to bring even that
thing up let's just take that right that
revelation of Joseph of Jesus Joseph
being Jesus's father go to churches and
tell him that see what happen is of
course at that doing in Romans it talks
about that
Jesus is the seat of from the seed of
David according to the flesh a seed we
know what the seed is it's demands man
[Â __Â ] at the seed and uh there's so
many instances in ever coming at
revelation and doing a lot of studying
and you vocal about that like that's a
that's a no-no yeah you know what I'm
sayin little things like that um we've
gone over about two hours and 20 minutes
I'm cool with that
a little bit one last thing that I had I
wanted to ask you because we talked
about before we went live but um you've
been taking a lot of trips lately got a
lot more trips coming up one of the trip
someone to ask you about you just went
to contact in the desert I just want to
say lucky it was cool man actually I was
and Erich von dÃ¤niken they were a trip
for me man I spent half the time in
Joshua Tree National Park and the other
time hanging out with Giorgio and Erich
von dÃ¤niken they're just the forerunners
of this move action area yeah so it's
all cool man you know there was
something else going on out there that
has warned about and I didn't like Greer
no Greer wasn't there no come on who's
the biggest guy a guy David Wilcock yes
thank you
yes there was a cult David Wilcock fan
base cult out there yeah yeah yeah I
know a lot of people get into and stuff
like that I used to I used to until he
took it I'd used to he took it too far
left oh we're going good and all these
guys and it took it too far left man
yeah it wasn't until the second lecture
that I had some boobies next to me and
how they were just ecstatic in like I
swore I was out of Metallica concert or
something like that but I realized
there's something else going on and I
know a lot of stuff that he talks about
but the way he presented it was not
far-fetched but just like matter of fact
everything was a matter of fact it
wasn't even speculation yeah
and I realized this
and who if it keeps going that direction
it won't be appealing to me
but with Giorgio there and von daniken
and stuff like that that's who I went to
go see you know it was awesome the
people really good was kind of like
getting out of Woodstock not completely
you you it was it was a mixed group but
the first night I came in Thursday
Friday the people were just so pleasant
something changed when the groupies came
in you can tell there's just something
different it's all good you play that
huge huge role in my awakening I mean I
found 2012 enigma in 2011 2010 obviously
if he touched you and helped you early
on no III can't and I loved a lot of his
work and um but like I said the whole he
went way someone he was talking about
he's gotten real arrogant someone says
in the chat yeah somebody's talking
about Greer here and I said I won look
at Greer you just know Greer I'll follow
Greer's work early on too but then you
know they went too far left man and and
Greer taking that little thing saying it
was an alien in it probably an aborted
fetus like all kinds of crazy stuff and
they're just taking it far left as they
can and the quarry good thing is what
done it for me and he's a he's a big
name because work Hawk vouched for him
and kind of raised him up it just gets
so far out there it's hard to believe
like we're trying to find truce right
with truth seekers right like who's
telling the truth and he's making it up
as they go there's a lot of those people
and they're really good at it you know
definitely on to like the conspiracy
theory end of it you know
Georgio and eric are about the ancient
sites and definitely tell us about
physical stuff versus theory from who we
are and who these gods were the cargo
cults and they can take you places that
you can actually discover and learn for
yourself and you know kind of what
ancient aliens mostly does the show and
it brings you into being a part of
because they don't know it all they can
show it to you but they're learning too
and they write books and they you know
they bring it in front of you and try to
help explain what they understand from
it but they're kind of bringing the
ancient civilization I think if we know
our roots and we know where we came from
and how powerful we truly are it'll
change humanity forever we've been held
down and crushed by religion for
thousands of years now and it's time we
all stand up and they're like me is it
it's time it's time it's time for our
children's sake I mean that's the
biggest thing I don't want my children
go on to this world the way it's set up
I think we're very powerful individuals
and I've learned that training my brain
over the last five to six years to be a
beautiful person to be a good person and
do better without sitting in church
every Sunday and reading your Bible I
get it you know so it's just like now
it's just in me and I am the person that
can change the world peer yeah and I
think we all have that potential and
some of us are leaders and some are some
unless they're servants and I'll tell
you I make a heck of a lot better of
servants and I do a leader because if
someone else is doing the harder part of
the work and they need someone to serve
and finish the job
dude I am golden everybody has a place
man and and like knowing what you're
good at plain you know I'm saying
playing To Your Strengths and knowing
what you're good at and getting there
doing it yeah exactly it's a team bro so
Bobby I love you man because it's just
like you know I how I found you I spoke
about is intriguing to me because I
waited awhile and then when something
didn't look right
I'd open and now here you and I are
sitting you Doven when the controversy
hit oh yeah let's check don't find this
dirt juicy get exposed
let's look it up because I side with the
people man i side with what's good or
what feels right sometimes it isn't
always 100% good sometimes I just feel
bad for people it wasn't like that with
you it was like I don't like following
people I never did I can walk me side on
I can be with them but so when I saw
what you're doing it was so
creative and so you're doing so much I
couldn't wrap my head around it because
of the person showing it to me and then
when I had an opportunity to remove that
person and just look at you I saw Derek
and I wanted to know Derek because I was
like wow look look what this guy is
doing man he's out there getting busy so
creative and it's just I'm impressed man
there's not a lot of people like you out
there and even your humble meetings I
want to show my wife last night again I
think I did all right
your humble beginnings and stuff like
that and I see that stuff that picture
yeah man it that's that's crazy
oh no you know I want to know more man
I'm totally intrigued because to me it's
like you're Wow you're like that if it
looks the way it looks you're one of the
greatest success stories I know well you
know I'm saying and we're still early
what's out and we store early in yeah
we're just getting started
bigger things coming man
beautiful yeah dude that was and you
know saying thank you by the way right
of course man of course um uh you
actually went to another event recently
you went and seen the Oz man himself
right how was that was that your first
time seeing I mean how was that actually
it's because I missed the Black Sabbath
wasp concert somewhere in the 80s or 90s
so that was like the closest they ever
died and I never saw a Z and I like you
me talk to the side I was totally anti
secular Rebecca st. James arch Mullins
exactly I've seen it I've seen it what I
can say Jane all this stuff did you know
so going back back I'm 45 now so right
around 40 I went back to my roots and
went and saw Testament and anthrax on my
40th birthday of my sister and since
then I've been slowly getting my feet
back and what the difference is I used
to go to these concerts and feel dirty
know like oh my god these are all losers
you know people getting drunk and doing
their thing doing drugs and whatever
else and you know I've ripped people
well now that um twice-born and through
the religious part of it
wow dude the things that I enjoy about
this music nice bands I can walk into an
honesty concert and it was a clean
concept most of us are old I was
actually young exactly yeah yeah so but
it's just like I can enjoy what I enjoy
him and what I want to receive and
everything else just kind of I don't rip
apart anymore actually it's a it's a bed
of flowers really it's really changed
like I went better than Aussie dude I
want to go see Panic at the Disco back
in July so on my daughter drove me to it
Philadelphia I've never met performer
like panic at the disco and I watch
these kids I mean dude think about it
average age about maybe 16 17 yeah um
20,000 screaming girls Thanks almost
layer the one guy walked through
anything
God loves Slayer he haven't a shirt
how's this like yo man and we were
talking a little bit but um they blew
they blew me away you want to talk about
performer he's such a reformer he
doesn't have a band I'm learning about
that was a concert man that was if he
doesn't have a band no no no my wife and
daughter are like diehard panic fans
he's just going to tracks well he I
guess maybe the band has been with him
through one or two albums my daughter
can fast track me a lot better because
I'm still doing is saying to man he
could do like yeah songwriter the guy
that songs songs now he's a song right
he's out of the band but I mean he can
go from the drums to Chano to the guitar
things are maybe not I'm sorry I'm not
gonna say that to his voice a lot but he
is he's like you also a performer and he
came out of religion and that's why I am
so interested in
Brendan is because he talks about his
mom and his songs a lot he talks about
religion and this was the pray for the
wicked tour and whatever happened and
his angle it's really awesome it's
really cool and that's why I'm kind of
like bouncing in his direction because
that night
I know go out to consciousness self
that I'm sure you have one of those
concert mic set you just will never
forget I mean it was so amazing that I
wanted to go to DC or Buffalo to school
but anyway don't want to take away from
the Aussie concert know hey all of this
but I got tickets here to go see I need
to breathe
okay Kristin well I don't know if
they're really Kristin anymore they get
mainstream success I think they're still
Christian oh we're gonna see you down
but yeah man but even with Ozzy I mean
the similans civilizations there with
the cross the whole concert you know I
mean it's like it's his theme and you
know the old Black Sabbath songs and
things and know when you find it
probably how did he do though like was
it what that current it wasn't cringy is
he's good mode and if anything is I know
from either his wife or someone else
that he has to have a monitor in front
of him with his music so I know he's
going through that too that he just
can't get up there and sing like most
performers or sometimes he's 70 gonna be
70 this year he just needs to kind of go
back and more or less he's doing karaoke
nobody he hasn't lost his touch I stated
to play flying high again or over the
mountain really yeah
well they play collie though man I dig
out up man dude it's all he did was uh
Lina Ford is that her name Lita Ford is
that her name yeah the song he did with
her I think that's her name
yeah beautiful song yeah esoteric photo
I took of Crowley when he got on I
didn't I did a little bit of the video
but I took a picture of his background I
put it on Facebook
dude it was the most esoteric image I've
ever seen in my life man it blew me away
and people are going gaga he spoke about
it was just it was powerful dude it was
glowing it was it was awesome and I'll
send it to you later in case you missed
it but yeah it was awesome it kind of
shocked me I wasn't ready for it I saw
and I was like yeah my eyes forever yes
what Jeffrey's in the chair
definitely even the osmium cometh man
even the Oz man knows God we let go some
kind of yeah he knows yeah yeah that's
some good some of that good stuff man
and yeah it's all about the nostalgia
man like going there and feeling like
dude I just I just went back twenty
years or ten years or whatever it is
like we went my wife got me tickets a
few years ago now to go see Powerman
5000 an orgy in Atlanta and obviously
I'm like that hard nu-metal corn and
coaching with those guys
oh yeah it was awesome yeah it was
awesome to see those guys they started
listening to him when I was 13 you know
and finally getting to go see them I was
gonna go see Manson and Rob Zombie in
Atlanta but Manson hasn't even been
showing up to the majority of his shows
at this point and he's just it's kind of
sad though that's was when I know cuz
like it's kind of sad to see Manson
where he is now he's overweight he's
some performances are good sometimes
he's half drunk you know understand it
just seems kind of uh it's kind of sad
to see because if you look at old Manson
from 93 versus Manson now like that was
something to appreciate now you can look
back on it and just see the performance
and the Alice Cooper esque stage
performance that now he's just like
which a lot of people they're showing up
collecting checks and just wanna see
their material and they got random
people playing their instruments and you
know it's something about that that the
nostalgia for me definitely but a
creative aspect behind music and
creating stuff and bringing it to the
table we wouldn't see Metallica as well
and uh and outlets that was amazing I
mean it just put out their new album and
it's just yeah that was all the time
we've seen I'm Metallica tool so I was
crying at the tool concert bro cry offs
that they're crying dude they got a they
got this on parable that's talking about
spirits having a conversation before
they come to earth and agreeing to this
dis life and coming out here in into
I'm saying carnate it and it's like to
catch you in your pain and your hurt and
failure and stuff you go through is like
be okay all the pain is a lute and
illusion we are eternal beings we're
gonna go back but where we came from and
it's like just the beauty of that a
crime and it's beautiful
it's tough Manor is awesome dude maybe
it's new stuff with a perfect circle oh
my god yeah
Maynard's new stuff with a perfect
circle that he's put out the new stuff
you heard it most of it's about Jesus
most of it's about Jesus and it's good
stuff man I got this I'm gonna send you
send it to you oh man I'm gonna send it
to you and for those of you guys who are
listening to songs I'll just say this
because I'm not gonna send it to
everybody but uh Tok Tok by a perfect
circle and disillusioned and it's a
couple more but Tok Tok and dissolution
go back there listen to those and then
send me a thank you letter those are
beautiful songs good stuff cool well I
just got this in this is a king I got a
couple jerseys in there Kings right I
got a couple jerseys in there and those
jerseys I got like three jerseys I've
got over the years for Christmas and
stuff my birthday and stuff and they're
like a hundred dollars apiece right
I love jerseys and it's even with the
jerseys it's nostalgic because I was
that hot basketball fan when I was a kid
hundred hours a piece you got this one
for China from China seventeen bucks ten
bucks yeah I just got it Nike it's
bright it's fake it's not even real like
two months to get it in the mail oh
really
it's worth a lot more just get the
invitation for 17 versus paying a
hundred for the authentic energy we
didn't have to no dude it looks perfect
yeah well I'm the lamp even though if
you want a jersey they're only 17 bucks
I'll go and get you one
heck come on bro let everybody know
where they can check out your work man
and and check out your books and and
books are available Tsubasa Noble and
Amazon and almost any book distributor
online worldwide pretty much so so it's
kind of hard not to find even eBay I
think so anyway yeah it's it's the word
gnosis in the Aquarian gospel now on
Facebook I do have the word enosis it's
kind of I started in 2012 so it's kind
of just been like my storefront so it's
not just for the word gnosis it's for
all kinds of spiritual blessings a lot
of coal burn coal burns about half the
stuff I post on there and it's also the
Aquarian gospel same with the warded
gnosis calm that's the main site that
you can order both books from the word
gnosis calm also got a book trailer in
there that any XD helped me with and
kind of all things gnosis for me I'm
building upon this what I started so you
know hopefully there's many more so I
got a lot of things I'm working on right
now it's kind of why I haven't been
working on my Facebook page and trying
to get some physical things done
t-shirts I got a clothing line I'm
starting I'm doing car emblems for said
the Jesus fish I'm doing the Eye of
Horus and know thyself and a few other
things to kind of create help create a
movement kind of like ship or because I
was all part of the Jesus to live in 90
so I learned and I'm gonna use the
things that I learned to kind of prosper
the no system movement so that's kind of
what I'm doing minute what's up
everybody make sure y'all support his
work go check him out and I tell him
true seeker sent you yeah the whole the
whole arm deal is a hundred percent
discount for that a hug for saying don't
say that I've got a whole bunch of the
Jesus fish bracelets in there a couple
years ago up my bottom I wanted one
because there's like no like I said
nostalgia you know I wanted one so I
bought a couple packs of them has got
like if I got about 40 or 50 of them
different colors
yeah and I'll say a story about that
right quick the whole Jesus fish thing
like when I got born again it was I was
going into my freshman year of high
school and I was going to a new school I
moved and I was just around Christians
for the whole summer got saved got born
again and was wearing the Jesus fish
bracelet went to school I went to school
and this girl was like join me attention
the first day of school Hey
he had a Jesus fish bracelet on I had
one on too but um I was hanging out with
all the druggies and stuff in high
school and then she asked me you know
what does that mean for you WWJD I said
we want Jack Daniels and I just took it
off as like sorry Lord yeah man high
school Tom's yeah but I broke well uh I
appreciate you coming on man and I will
have to do this again soon man awesome
great great conversation almost three
hours bro I know what's up with dad
that's how that's how long they all
should be but I wanted to guess I had on
a couple weeks ago I try to do at least
an hour and I did like 25 minutes with
them and it was like I was just out of I
didn't had nothing to talk about how it
was like I got into a lot of it man we
touched on a little bit of everything
the Collbran yeah no that's I haven't
even heard of that book told you told me
my martial masters only ones 101 is 40
know why I love the gospel 80 because
when the when the it states in here that
when the disciples couldn't stay awake
when Jesus was in the garden they were
all drunk from the wedding Iraq hmm it's
interesting it makes sense watch and
pray I mean they can never stay awake no
I will say this though because I
together I'll talk about a couple times
the fact that Jesus is always going away
to pray hours on end right what is he
doing on dirt during that prayer time
and then we see the first time that like
a camera goes in there with them to see
what he's doing when he when he prays
and it's uh was it James John and Peter
I think it was the amount of
Transfiguration where he's going upon a
mountaintop to pray they came with them
so we have someone to kind of write down
what they seen is he sucks communicated
with Moses and Elijah appeared to him
out of a cloud and his face changes in
his clothes changed and he like
transfigured in front of them and I
think that was going on every time he
went away to pray I wouldn't have no
reason not to think that you know well
just like the 40 days in the desert
exactly you know I mean yes well I
always said well who's out there right
before well there's um there's this
notion - I don't really scribe to it but
they say that Satan wrote a lot of
Genesis it's written of from the
perspective of the this being this
reptilian being in the water watching
Yahweh create everything like the earth
was formless and void and I guess the
water or however or the darkness was
here I don't know but they say that
Satan transcribing like it's watching
Yahweh create landmass and put humans in
it and so this entity is written it I
don't believe that but there's are
people who approach you for that angle
yeah interesting ideas like to touch it
man and uh just kind of uh who knows
though we don't know you know I'm okay
with the surfing I like this winged
serpent
I'm all about him I don't know what it
is but I'm gonna figure it out I'm
reading a lot on it and actually my trip
to Chichen itzÃ¡ supposedly and the XD's
gonna reveal a lot of things to me so
maybe
I get back from Mexico we can hook up
again December January and yeah he's a
cool dude man he's a cool dude
we're supposed to we were supposed to do
some stuff together but we never did but
he's a he stays really busy yeah yeah
yeah well maybe soon then he sees the
modern Indiana Jones man he's just
awesome he's like you and I just like
last you guys the same he's doing he's
doing some cool stuff man he's doing a
lot of stuff you know comes from pop
Leibel scene and all that stuff you guys
have that in common and stuff so yeah I
really am encouraged and I'm encouraged
by people that grab a couple different
things and kind of live life you know
reaching out and trying to do everything
they can
stroking as many chords as they can yeah
yeah just I mean I'm saying judging
their heart and their intention being
able to feel that it's coming from a
pure place that's always Plus Kristy Lee
says hello Kristy leaves watching lÃ¤hde
she actually is the one who left this
book over here for me to check out she
said she thought I would like it so he
left your book over here he's hanging
out there but yeah everybody's hanging
out they really enjoyed you and I want
you to come back on so we'll do it again
after your trip maybe man let's do it we
had a really good discussion here I'll
enjoyed it definitely man it's been
awesome
my brother you have a good one man
blessings of Shalom paintin's Ensor
ladies and gentlemen go check him out I
got his books some really cool stuff in
there the Aquarian gospel Jesus the
Christ or the venosus it's so funny like
yet like like-minded people that that
this podcast went was enjoyable good
well I've had some good good guests on
here lately but it's better I like even
at the end like just being able to be a
be a dude at the end and just talk about
music and talk about things that we like
I love that too I love just having a lot
in common with people and being able to
go many places where it doesn't all have
to be spirituality it doesn't all have
to be Bible or all Jesus or whatever the
case is we can talk about music we can
talk about art videogames whatever it is
man you know and just be okay with it so
yeah I really enjoyed it we're right
under two hours now again thank you guys
for listening hanging out thank you guys
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yeah Kristy Lee said should say
conversation instead of an interview
yeah it should is you right because I
get to talk if I'm just interviewing
them then I don't get the talk and some
people come on and won't let me talk and
that kind of sucks when we do it almost
you know hour and a half interview and I
can't you know I can't really talk I
like to talk to write I'd like to kind
of get some ideas out or pick their
brain or when I ask a question I'm able
to pull other questions out of it and
I'm like I'll write it that's what I'm
doing writing stuff down that I want to
go back to that we didn't discuss and
that's why we'll having so much in
common we could just go and go and go
and it's like let's get back to this
like we've talked about this we got to
finish the story and try not to let too
much time pass by before we go back and
jump to that those questions and back to
the same stories though it's good stuff
um also let everybody know who's
listening if you guys want to catch us
live I will be at Shanti Fest in
Tallahassee Florida September the 22nd
2018 if you would like to come and see
me perform there it's only $5 at the
door full-day event we're also doing a
live podcast I believe that I'm gonna be
interviewing John Love who is the guy
who's putting it on first met him at
further fest some years ago 2015 I think
it was and hit it off there we've been
Facebook friends ever since and just
been a cool person to build with so I'm
gonna be interviewing him I think I
think my people who ride with me yeah I
got people he's gonna meet me out there
Christie Lee will be doing some guided
meditation and group healing after the
yoga session in the morning um so I got
a bunch of people coming up there with
to meet me and how Chris is gonna be
there and Nicole y'all be prepared to do
an interview I may have to interview one
of you guys cuz he said he may be a
little bit too busy because he's setting
up the event for him to sit down for an
hour may be almost impossible so be
ready be on call to do it interview
maybe both of you guys I may interview
both of y'all or something man but you
know we may do that
get enough microphones and find out how
to record it we're gonna do it this
would be our first live podcast we'll be
at the event so the podcast is at 3
o'clock p.m. and then the concert is at
9:30 p.m. so $5 get you all that in a
full day of yoga hippies dancing music
glassblowing all kinds of cool stuff
ready to meet some of you guys too so
also November the 2nd right now we're
planning something at the lacy house
it's gonna be in Mobile Alabama it's the
same place that I did my album release
party so we're gonna be doing another
concert event there so if you guys would
like to get info on that it should be up
on my website true sticker calm and stay
updated on all that cool stuff so all
that being said I'm gonna say peace of
Shalom thank you guys for everything
really enjoyed this you guys are awesome
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