Gospel of the Spiritual Breath | The Path to the Christ and the Father | John of the Holy Breath
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welcome all my guest John Patton from
the holy breath Institute John welcome
to the podcast brother how are you I'm
good thank you
this is a exciting topic and interesting
title the gospel of the spiritual breath
in the sacred breath of Christ and you
talk about finding Christ finding God
through the sacred breath so I'm
interested to dive into the subject
matter with you so welcome to the show
thank you give us a little bit of
background about who you are what you
bring to the table just kind of give the
listeners just just so there'd be a
little bit familiar with your stance and
you know I'm saying the point of that
you're coming from sure so I the the
gospel of the spiritual breath was
written as a as a response really to an
experience I had with the Holy Spirit
maybe about three years ago so going
back I worked on the spiritual breath
for about 40 years so I'm almost 70 40
years of my life I worked on this thing
that I didn't it it appeared to me to
have a connection with spirituality but
I didn't really know you know when I
started out I didn't I just had a sense
of that there was something there so you
you stopped my video yeah was pause I'm
trying to ask you to start it again okay
it was like a
there you are we're good okay so do you
want me to back up how do you want to we
just keep going that's fine that's fine
so the so I spent about 40 years on this
I I had a way back when when I was in my
20s living in Manhattan I encountered a
guy who is his handle if you go with dr.
breath he wrote a book called dr. breath
he was a an interesting guy but I
learned this technique from him which
was at its essence it was about
breathing without control and he was a
choir instructor he went on to be the
the coach of breathing for the I don't
remember the year 68 now I do 68
Olympics you know where the track and
field team in Mexico City won I think
the most gold medals they've ever won
and he was their respiratory instructor
so he had a sort of interesting career
and so I would practice his techniques
and then I became like his protege and I
would when he would go on vacation I
would take care of some of his patients
in New York he had a wide range of
patients all the way from opera singers
to COPD patients so I was I was deeply
immersed in his conception of how
breathing worked and just to give you a
sort of short explanation it was
strengthening the diaphragm through
making sound on a relaxed exhale so in
scientifically it set up an air column
of resistance that would strengthen the
diaphragm now like you know it sounds I
know we're going to were talking about
spirituality but it does have to do with
the with the diaphragm and know
most people are not familiar with how
the diaphragm works in its structure but
basically it's a domed shape muscle and
tendons that that cuts your body in half
it sits below the lungs and the heart
above all the abdominal organs and you
many many of us have probably heard the
instruction to breathe from your
diaphragm but that's a nonsensical
instruction because you have no
conscious control over the diaphragm in
other words you can't move it like you
can move your bicep or your tongue or
any anything else
now you can affect it you know you can
squeeze in your abdominal muscles but
even that is simply it just sort of
moves the diaphragm around but it
doesn't affect it in fact it probably
weakens it so it's a tricky thing how do
you affect dive the diaphragm so that
was the platform from which I started
that way from which I began and and then
but then I had an unusual experience I
won't go into it was just the
circumstances were I was in a sort of
strange environment so I had to his oh I
should say that his his exercises were
sort of counting out loud on the exhale
so I was in a apartment that I had
rented I was a consultant and I didn't
want to make noise it didn't do the
neighbors were so I just decided I would
practice without making noise and then
but then I had an experience I said wait
a minute this shouldn't have happened
because of the the theory that your
strengthening the diaphragm by making
noise on the relaxed exhale so what's
that noise sound like no it was a clever
thing he worked out over time which was
simply counting from one to ten so it
would be a it would be sort of a lot of
the rise everything I don't want it so
it's sort of mindless but you were
making
and you were sort of there are a few
different syllables in there but that it
was just a count from one to ten and
everyone would develop their own sort of
pattern of doing that but the and and
hit there are still he has died and
there were there are still some people
around who I think teach his approach
but what happened to me was so profound
that on that very day I simply stopped
his approach and said no there's
something else going on so then I spent
about thirty years trying to figure out
what was it that was changing using and
and what you know what tech now what
technique was there now you know thirty
years a long time and it was so it's
hard to describe how it evolved other
than I just I had a in instinct to stay
with it
and I did you know probably an hour or
two every day for thirty years on top of
the hour to the ten years prior to that
so it was now to be clear about it all
at the same time I have a spiritual
approach I'm doing you might call it
meditation I would call spiritual
exercises across those forty years and
then now I feel you know you know why
was I selected to this I think it's
because I was both I was I was dumb and
persistent because ever for the longest
time I didn't connect the two so I had
the sort of world was sort of breathing
that then there were spiritual exercises
and that only at one point did I at some
point I don't remember when I said oh
geez maybe I can combine these two and
then I did and then at that point I
started the number of spiritual
experiences sort of out of body type
experiences that
that that I started having accelerated
and not only did they accelerate but
they were they were experiences what I
would call above above the level of soul
so now let me let me sort of heal so
make a point because that's a that's an
unusual concept but the and in and they
in the title of the book or the subtitle
you know it's the path to the Christ and
the father so I I began having these
experiences that were the path to bother
above the Christ of the Christ is really
when you look at the soul really the
soul is is the office of the Christ it's
you know it's not Jesus but it's the
it's the element of existence that he
sort of perfected and and ushered in the
the the gateway for us to achieve that
and and now what's happened is that it's
been made available to us to go beyond
that level of the soul to what is in
what is in in in essence our essence
that's a bad sentence but it's true but
it's true
you know our essence is not the soul
it's the pure soul is the soul is what
we experience this realm through but it
is not our home so so I started having
these this sort of acceleration of
experiences above the soul and then and
and all that was great and I I wouldn't
be here I wouldn't have written this
book if I had not had the Holy Spirit
come to me and basically tell me this is
almost verbatim but the but it was that
the that this is
the scientific approach to Christ and
the father I actually got in a tussle
with you know look I've never I've had
this experience with the Holy Spirit
twice and it occurred within two weeks I
think because again I was dumb and I
didn't quite get what I was being told
but when you have that sort of it's an
it's a really very unusual experience
and I I doubt it will ever happen to me
again but you certainly remember it well
they just interested to hear well you
know it's a it's hard to describe
spiritually but you know it just sort of
it's a it's a knowingness and the sound
is really it's like James Earl Jones
except you know magnified you know a
hundred times then it comes from
everywhere you can't pinpoint it and so
then I got in this tussle because you
know they said to me that this was the
you know the path to the you know to the
Christ and the father and I said no I
said no don't know the the the way of
the Cross is this is what what I said
the way of the Cross is the past and and
they said no who repeated it and I said
no and then you know it's sort of
biblical the third time I gave up you
know I repeated it but then it was you
know sort of pronounced in with finality
so what type of believer were you before
that what were you involved in a
specific type of church or anything like
that well I was I had a spiritual
teacher who's who's now he's he's
transitioned you know I I used the I say
transition because I still I have
probably I have experiences with him
every couple weeks you know so he remain
my teacher and you know I don't want to
in a way I mean we can come to it look
it's your show we can come back to it I
would sort of I'm just I'm taking notes
we could stick we could stick to the
story on the book at first but then
we're gonna have to revisit some of this
stuff but it's good that I'm with
magnets - so we're gay he's an unusual
guy you know spiritually so he was I
mean it starts to get in you know this
you know the spiritual stuff can get
awfully and and and one of the things I
like about the spiritual breath one of
the really one of the maybe them almost
the most profound thing about it is that
you so your physiology changes now let
me I'm getting a little lost here
because you don't want to it is
ultimately a spiritual practice so it's
not it's not something that so it has a
strong spiritual element to it mean that
there is the there's an aspect of the
holy spirit that is working with people
who are practicing the spiritual breath
and you can't you can't separate those
so it's not as though and that's the
spiritual element of it that there's
this thing called the living breath the
consciousness which is working you know
so there's a standard sort o s a
standard in in in spiritual terms
there's a standard called initiation if
you will but but what that is doing is
just setting up the the the energetic
relationship between you and this and
and the elbe see if I can call it that
the living breath consciousness which is
an aspect of the Holy Spirit
so you if one is a practitioner of the
spiritual breath you can't you can't do
it without that connection because
that's the connection that's working on
your karma and and which is kind of
critical in helping you you know helping
you progress so again I'll come back to
the physical but on the on the spiritual
side me what your what your learning to
do is to live and and and freely walk in
your spirit in this life so you don't
have to die to do that so this is a you
know this is a phenomenal thing I mean I
don't know there's not really anything
else one you know would want to do and
and yet you can't you can't do it
without spiritual support I mean believe
me it's it's kind of freaky and scary
you know to do this walking in your
spirit you know so sort of in a sense
leaving your body but you're not really
going anywhere but but you are going
into your spirit so I don't I don't want
to act like this is when I say
scientific that it's devoid of a
spiritual connection now having said
that that with the really neat thing
about the spiritual breath exercises so
your physiology is changing and to give
you an example most people the average
rate of respiration how fast you breathe
which is measured in in breaths per
minute is about 15 maybe 16 breaths per
minute
so for for me it's probably two or three
breaths per minute and the only way that
that can come about is if your diaphragm
has been strengthened and the
coordination of your breathing shifted
changed so
what I'm so if you if you look at the to
the the spiritual aspect and then this
physiological aspect as what is unusual
and new and fantastic is that you you
now have a mechanism for measuring
spiritual progress so you can feel this
once you get the hang of it and I don't
want to it it's a difficult thing to do
it's difficult to stay with it because
it's weird it's a bit uncomfortable at
first and it's just it's very calm it's
almost quintessentially counterintuitive
what you do now by the way I'm not gonna
go into how you do this it's not that
difficult but it's just not we couldn't
do it and and it's not to be done until
it's part of a spiritual practice
believe me you can't do this unless you
you have an intention to move your
consciousness to into spirit it just you
couldn't it it would be impossible as
far as I can tell to do it so the so
alright so you have this feedback
mechanism so which is really very cool
because the what I what I'm saying which
is itself unusual so I'm you know
there's there's when it said that this
is scientific there's there's three
basic laws that have that have surround
the spiritual breath and you know one is
that that is a spiritual pattern of
breathing exists so that itself is a
bizarre concept really so one you know
what does it mean that there's a
different pattern of breathing and so
what I'm saying is that the the
diaphragm is extraordinarily changed in
its in its motion and it's and its
strength and and that's what I'm calling
the spiritual pattern number one
- I'm saying that the exercises are what
brings that about that's number two and
number three that when this comes about
you are a Jew when I say this when when
the spiritual breath is fully developed
you were then at a point where you are
walking freely in your spirit so if that
all is true the I'm saying if it's true
putting myself in the shoes the listener
I know it's true but no one else does so
you have if that's true then you back up
and in the the physio there's
physiological change and physiological
change you can feel so now you have a
way of measuring your spiritual progress
and it's Jen it's you and you alone so
this is what is to me is is is
fantastically cool is that is you don't
you don't need to go to somebody - you
don't need to go to me or and or some
other teacher to tell you that you're
progressing because you know it you know
it in your body
so the another way of saying it would be
is that the the the this process of the
spiritual breath is is his resurrection
in the body of the spirit now you know I
look is this is as I said it took me 40
years had this experience with the Holy
Spirit and then I had you know another I
was sort of given the would be called
sort of teaching mantle if you will
about a year later and it's going to
take a long time for this to become for
people to practice it I don't say it
I don't know yet but my my sense is that
that having gone through this that that
it would take somebody maybe a third of
the time that it took me now I don't
know a lot of people might think oh I
got I don't have 15 years but I say well
well you know what else is there to do
you know I mean what are we here
for if not to you know evolve our spirit
evolve our consciousness to the point
where we can walk freely in our spirit I
mean that's the goal of life isn't it
yeah there's a there's a bunch of people
in chat who would like to toriel's or
demonstrations before we get into that
and we can get into that whenever but um
so a lot of different breathing
techniques there's a lot to be said
about breathing right now right
it gets the body into a relaxed state
you can change your breathing patterns
to enter trance state if you if someone
is exploring meditation simply clearing
out the mining and trying to and
actually setting that intention to go in
does a lot but when you combine that
with these different breathing
techniques like you're saying it it
really kicks start
that's that spiritual experience that a
static experience that we have with the
Holy Spirit which is the Ruach which is
breath I mean all the cultures talk
about the you know the breath of God the
pranayama the life force Chi energy
that's moving animating all objects is
the holy spirit and you can have that
encounter with the holy spirit and
explore the breath the question I have
because a lot of these breaths are
speeding up your breathing the fire
breath conscious connected breathing
holotropic breathing where your breath
you can get high and have an encounter
just off of your breath it's beautiful
because you don't need anything outside
of you your fearfully and wonderfully
made you're talking about the power of
the diaphragm everything is within so
you can go within to experience God you
can go within to experience the holy
spirit a lot of these different
breathing techniques and patterns are
sped up anything that kind of
took me a little bit was the fact that
you said that you slowed down your
breathing right so those breasts within
the myth in the minute is it exploring
each breath you're talking about maybe
taking two breaths per minute is it
taking that breath being mindful and
exploring that breath to kind of
kickstart that experience with the holy
spirit or how does that work with
slowing down the breath well it's it's
this is look we're now entering is a
very difficult thing to talk about
because you you almost have to
experience it but here we are and I'll
do my best
the the the main characteristic that is
different from all other approaches is
that this is one where you are not
controlling your breathing in the least
which which is an odd concept so but you
know look it mean at a spiritual level
isn't that one of our main goals is to
give up control to give it up to the
divine and this is this is the main
aspect of this is that you are not you
are not controlling your breathing so to
answer your question more specifically
in terms of exploration the the
exploration is really in consciousness
and and above it's really it's it's
above the body it's a weird thing you're
not you're not you are not controlling
your breathing with this approach you're
you're letting the breathing come but it
but it all I can say is that there's no
control involved I mean that's the best
way I can describe it it is there is no
control which is a I mean I appreciate
the confusion listeners might have and
nothing I can do but it is what it is
and there's no control
I'm trying to understand that so that's
just is it is that I mean so with it
with the practice to kind of get there
to kind of lose control like there's a
place that you have to get to where you
can lose control or to not focus on your
breathing or to slow down your heart
rate or whatever the case is right yeah
exactly right and and the the way you
said it there's a place you have to get
to and so the techniques are designed to
get you to that place but it's a very
difficult place because you are it times
it feels like you're drowning immunised
oh wow you know as somebody who's sort
of I've you know I've been I've gotten
myself through all this it becomes
blissful I mean it becomes very very
pleasurable so that's just that there is
at the beginning you know you might say
a steep learning curve but you're you
know what you metaphysically you can
look at it and say that that the
technique kills off the ego so you you
you can't do the the Eagle will not
survive this process because you are
you're really transcending it you have
to move in order to do this you have to
move your consciousness which is kind of
cool
so that's why it really is a only a
spiritual approach so you're learning to
move your consciousness higher really
out of your body and and I myself I
having having accomplished this I still
am I to me I think it's it's it's kind
of bizarre a bizarre concept that you
can use the body to resurrect your
spirit you know but that's that's what
goes on with the more practice anything
like that gets easier with Tom right
like I said you're able to explore it a
lot faster I mean just being conscious
of the breath you saying that there's
really no control over but it is
something that we would have to maybe
use the techniques and things like that
to can
trol it because you know our nature is
to breathe like we have to brief so
there has to be some control over the
breath to whether you want to change
your breathing pattern or you want to
breathe less and explore that breath so
is it all is it almost like holding your
breath or just being exploring that
silence there and just almost well you
know it's a brother no I look i
everything you're saying is is you know
these are natural good questions the
your your there is control in the sense
that yes you are doing something and but
what you're really trying to avoid
control of your breathing so you you
reach a point and this there's an
interesting point of in breathing where
and even even for me at this point where
you you have to give up anticipating
what the next breath looks like so an
anticipation is kind of a tricky thing
because and it's a form of control
anticipation because of you can
anticipate what's happening you know you
in the sense you reduce fear and and
because this is this is a fantastic trip
into the unknown and and so part of that
is is that as the diaphragm is improving
every every step of improvement is a
breath that you've never felt before so
you cannot anticipate it so you always
are at this point where you are fighting
with your ego to control the breath or
let the new unknown breath occur so that
so that the if there's control it's just
the control is to remove the ego from
blocking what would be a new breath
so now we're talking when I say new
we're talking about you know sections of
muscle fibers and and and neurons
you know gradually adjusting how they're
firing and stuff but but it's real and
and it occurs and again I apologize this
is very difficult to talk about as you
can imagine so yeah yeah no there's a
lot of different studies about the
breath in and you're talking about
people being ready for it I think that
uh if people are watching this episode
are listening to this podcast I think
that they're at least interested in and
judging by the comment section a lot of
people want to know more and a lot of
people are talking about examples even
myself as you're speaking I'm trying to
stop breathing or just trying to not
focus on the breathing which it gets
scary right you feel cuz you're so used
to breathing so this slow down breathing
or exploring the gap in between what
would that look like if someone was to
try it for the first time if you want to
give an example of even doing it and uh
you know what's a safe safe space to do
this as well versus someone listening to
this while they're driving or whatever
the case is well you know one thing one
thing that people might not expect is
that it's done
lying down you know on your back you
know Kriya yoga which is the you know
the yoga of Yogananda Paramahansa and
and those folks is you know sitting up
and so just a basic element is is that
you're lying down and you are but then
again at that point you're well let me
say let me say this and perhaps it would
help in the book I talk about
consecrating prayer so and and and I
discuss how the the spiritual breath
exercises are really come under
consecrating prayer so you so you first
have to be
consecrating yourself to spirit you know
so it's a it's a holy event experience
and and and you'll never never pull this
off if you if you don't have that yeah
and as I mentioned you need this
connection with the living breath
consciousness and aspect the teaching
aspect of the Holy Spirit and that was
very intentional it's not just some
random thing to do to to create a
spiritual experience it is intentional
about Christ and God right absolutely
and I think a lot of people listen and
already kind of approach it with that
that understanding as well right so
you're trying to so who you are is the
is the is the is the part of your being
that can move to the Christ and the
father so so unless you can do that your
your who are in a state you are in a
latter state so you're trying to figure
out how do i I know that I know it's in
there somewhere right
and your so you're trying to figure out
well how do I essentially how do I
change my vibration of my beingness to
to get there to to have the you know to
- well it's that that you're changing
your vibration so that you your
awareness and your ability is such that
you can move to your spirit to the
Christ and then then there are levels
you know there twenty seven levels above
from Christ up to the Father and so
you're learning to do that and it just
so happens that with this approach the
the the assist is come is going to come
from your breathing but your focus is on
the consecrating prayer so your and it
takes a lot of effort to to change this
pattern so one thing I wanted to add
about
so that if you think about it so I'm
talking about a new pattern so you have
an existing pattern and then you have
this new pattern so your one way of
looking at as you are changing the old
pattern to the new so you tried it
you're trying to change a very very
deeply ingrained pattern of breathing
which we all have you know none of us I
mean a simple way would be to say none
of us or few of us are born wanting to
meditate you know I mean you know for I
know for me and I think for most people
you know those first moments of silence
we're like you know they were difficult
like you know how do I do this how do I
stop my mind and and yet this is just
like that I mean it's it's a similar
process it's not natural except the
weird thing is is that then the
breathing becomes much more natural than
the old pattern because it's and so you
know I want to add earlier you said you
slow down your breathing really what's
happening is the you know the rate of
respiration is slowed down but it's
because the diaphragm it's its movement
is has been improved and and that's
because it's been strengthened then the
pattern has to change I don't know if
you know but in in most people the
diaphragm with this huge organ you know
the kid goes from you know it attaches
to all your ribs and around your back so
it's quite it's it's I think it's about
the size of two pieces of paper you know
regular eight-and-a-half by 11 paper and
that's roughly the size and the the
amount that it moves is in most people
is if you stuck a pencil under those two
pieces of paper that's how much the
diaphragm moves which is which is
nothing I mean you know it's or it's a I
mean it's and so once you if you imagine
that's what's now that's not the only
thing moving air in and out because
we've all developed a bad pattern of
breathing in the with the upper chest
shallow breathing you yeah if you see
smokers you know they have their
shoulders are raised and and that's all
because they've basically sort of worked
against the diaphragm and then in order
to breathe they have to use these
accessory muscles of respiration so the
so - to get the diaphragm to move more
is what's going on with the spiritual
breath exercises but in a way it's not
more is is not that difficult because
it's so little now because we we
basically well we never think about
breathing you know and and and and
there's no there's no real way to
improve it I mean exercise certainly
helps and you know thinking about it
consorted helped but you know I know
there was a study in Sweden a few years
ago this ISIF you might be twenty years
ago but they took some Yogi's who said
they had learned to slow down their
breathing and measured them and what
they found out was that they had simply
learned to tolerate more carbon dioxide
in their system so they had sort of they
were sort of putting themselves to sleep
in a way you know so kind of the power
of the dopamine release trance state let
me ask you this though so for those who
are like big on the scriptures and stuff
do you have any revelation that you've
gotten over the years out of the Bible
or any other of the sacred texts about
the breath about the power as a you know
I'm saying I know there's a lot in there
but is there anything that that you know
in your years of study that kind of
stood out to you about the breath within
the scriptures well no and I'll tell you
why I say no I mean in the book I go
through there are several chapters on
the breaking down the the first
commandment
you know love the Lord that God with all
your heart and soul and mind and
strength but the and the reason I do
that is is that I is that I don't think
it's a I don't think it's correctly
translated and for example you said Rua
and the you know the soul the word soul
in that you know in the in the typical
translation is if the the word that's
used in the Hebrew Hebrew is nephesh
which is not they didn't use rule which
would be the typical you know the
meaning of the typical word that we use
for soul now how why it got translated
as soul I don't know but guru ankh is a
much more sort of it has to do with kind
of the life force so you know I go
through those the you know the the the
typical translation and now I'm applying
it to the spiritual breath in as much as
that this is a first commandment
endeavor you know how do I love the Lord
my God you know how do I do that and now
even the word love is I think it is not
correctly translate because you know
this goes back to the Hebrew I don't
like ya the whole love thing gets really
deep a lot of different words for that
one word love that we have yeah and the
Greeks and and I think it's and I say
it's better translated as consecrate so
that you are you are consecrated
yourself to the Lord it's not it is not
a you know it's it's the doing does it
it's not it's not that you have an
emotional I love God it's that you what
have you what have you done to
demonstrate that which is to you know I
think what we what we need to do is
these sorts of spiritual exercises that
get us out of our eco and into our true
spirit so even my other comment to your
question about you know what do I find
in the in the Bible
the as best I can tell in it and it's
gonna not gonna sound very humble but
the the best I can tell this is this is
new this is not it's not I don't think
that this I have spiritual experiences
that I that I won't go into the tell me
that this is new so it hasn't this is
just this is newly dispensed if you will
and and so it's not it's not like you
know did did st. Paul know about this no
you know did Jesus know about it so not
at the time so you know the only in
Revelations which I love
the I mean I think what we're you know
we're talking about this is the the New
Jerusalem but I'm not saying that the
breathing the spiritual breath exercise
they're not the New Jerusalem but it it
is the path to that you know that it's
because you're living freely in your
spirit I mean and that's grace you know
that's the that's the concept of grace
to be able to live in this world and and
yet walk freely in a sense resurrected
it's a lot to get into you have a lot of
different laws as what you call them
outlined in in the book that actually
goes into detail about the scientific
method the virtuous cycle but I like the
fact that you said that this is like a
sacred holy communion it's just not
something to be approached nonchalantly
like it is intentional as you go in to
kind of meet the Father and being led by
Christ it almost sounds like this is
like a type of gate that you enter to do
that through the breath right and
experiencing that one thing I wanted I
wanted to touch on before we get off of
here and in the next three minutes or so
the fact that you were talking about
being
led by your teacher having different
visitations from the one who came before
you we've been exploring that a little
bit here definitely looking at some of
the different yoga traditions about your
your teacher never leaves and there's
different techniques and things that you
can learn to commune with the teacher
that you know was here with you we see a
lot of that stuff even with like Star
Wars and and ended in the different epic
sagas of qui-gon jinn and stuff like
that like once they're gone there's
techniques you can do the end I'll talk
about it it's in the movies because it's
a little bit of nuggets of truth of that
kind of stuff hidden within sci-fi and
things like that but in in the
scriptures there's this this thing we've
been exploring about it talks about the
great cloud of witnesses right in how
we're surrounded by these these
different teachers who have come before
us and there's a lot of people who have
had claimed to have visitations by Moses
Enoch Elijah these type of people Jesus
even but we see in the scriptures where
I believe Jesus Jesus kind of understood
this as well the first time were able to
kind of follow Jesus almost with the
camera of what he did when he went away
to pray to commune with the father which
he would take him hours there was no
five-minute prayer and hey I'm back now
he would go for hours to commune with
the Father the first time we really got
to see what happens was with the Mount
of Transfiguration where the disciples
followed him up and he was literally his
clothing changed and he was meeting with
his you know passed on predecessors was
it our Enoch and Elijah I believe it was
or Moses Elijah and uh and so I thought
that was very interesting to see that in
the scriptures there and then it's kind
of sprinkled out Eastern thought in
general so if someone wanted to do that
right so we kind of have to be careful
with like tiptoeing with trying to
conjure the dead or trying to speak with
departed spirits or whatever the case is
but there's I think there's this place
that kind of needs to be explored
even for those who are Christians or
believers who are kind
your biblical base there's some there's
some truth to that so I mean what was it
like the first time you experienced
something like that and then how does it
become a practice of something that you
do to continue to learn through that
well you know there's a lot there the
you know as I said earlier I would not
have written a book and and I wouldn't
really have been trying to teach anyone
if I hadn't had this experience with the
Holy Spirit but I never sought it you
know I never sought it it was not a goal
so look I look I'm nearly 70 years old
I've I've been around spiritual people
my whole life so I mean since I was a
young man anyway and so I kind of know
how they know a lot about you know the
approach but I was never one to I never
wanted to be a teacher you know I never
it was not a goal of mine or it was not
a goal of mine even to conjure spiritual
things you know III was not I didn't
want to counsel people I didn't want to
like I didn't overtly want to have like
cool I didn't you know I don't want to
channel anybody it wasn't I just I just
wanted to save myself basically and and
that was always what it's trying to
figure out why this must be doable how
do I do this and then and then I worked
in silence for 40 years because I
thought I had I thought I just had this
glimmer that this is going to work and
so now I've had you know I've had many
as I say spiritual experiences but and I
think that the reason perhaps I was
given this was was simply that that it
was not seeking I was not seeking
anything but salvation and for myself
and then and then once this happened to
me I thought it was like oh shoot I know
I gotta go
I gotta go teach this now and it's very
just even you can tell there's a there's
some weird things about this difficult
you know it's difficult to teach and and
in my experience a lot of people have
gotten lazy as they've gotten older so
and this is not this is nothing for
anyone who is lazy because it it
requires a sinuous work particularly at
the beginning as to you know what do I
say I think you're asking me you know I
know there are folks who don't you know
think that well there's only one life
and you know you you go and then you you
know Jesus takes you up and you know
that but you know to me I'm I don't
think that's that's a correct view at
all
so that the that the we have a spirit
we've you know we've been here as souls
we've been here many many lifetimes
you know same soul picking up new bodies
is we you know have experiences and we
knock our heads against the wall again
again again and so I but maybe maybe you
could ask me something I don't think
I've answered your question
well virtual experiences well it would
be our spiritual experience in
particular of communing not with the
dead but you know I think more of the
living but communing with your your past
teacher what would that oh yeah that
that came about naturally again I didn't
ask for that I threw one of these
breathing exercises experience
experiences though of exploring that and
then this comes well no more it more it
comes in that would look like dreams you
know more it more comes you know we all
basically you know at night we all leave
the body I mean let's just start there
so and where do we go and that's that's
one of the reasons you with this living
breath consciousness this aspect of the
Holy Spirit it's it's it's at that time
when your your karma is sort of handle
sped-up that's sort of saying that's
that's when that kind of work takes
place when you're when your
consciousness has been released from the
body and and and so you know so most of
the time my experiences are that but
they're you know look I've been doing
this for like fifty years and and so you
you over time you learn to differentiate
you know what's a dream and what's a
spiritual experience you know so but you
know he as a matter of fact you
mentioned revelations that this is just
kind of a funny weird thing but the the
right after my teacher died like a week
later he came to me and I was I was
looking at I was studying revelations
and and he and he pointed out an actual
verse chapter and verse to me and said
you know you're looking at that wrong
and now the funny thing is is that I
wrote it down right you know I was told
I was looking at this wrong but I didn't
tell but I forgot to write down what was
correct you know it's kind of so when I
went back and looked at us how I
can't I don't remember what what I was
told but anyway this would be something
similar to other people talking about
how you know maybe they didn't have a
specific teacher but they still get
those influences in the dream state
people are talking about receiving
messages and the dreams and all this
kind of stuff and so something similar
to where the ancestors would contact us
in the dreams and and tell us different
things about our lives and about our
path and you know who we are type well
you know I've heard it said that the
that the physical world is about 10% the
size of the spiritual world so it's you
know it's the spiritual world is so big
it's very difficult to I mean all of
these experiences can be true you know
so I wouldn't III can't there's nothing
I almost can't comment on it because
they they can all but but in terms of
intention I'm very wary of
of wanting anything but that which is
pure and and for my from my highest good
you know and and that's been what's been
in my heart the whole time and so I've
never wanted I don't want to contact
anybody that's not God you know what I
mean it's yeah that's a beautiful thing
always teach that as well like people
you know they want to know how to
contact angels or beings or the you know
the past loved ones or whatever the case
is and you know elemental spirits we're
talking about this spirit yeah there's a
lot of different creatures and entities
that exist out there so I think we have
to be careful but not I don't want to
stifle exploration like say hey
everything is wicked everything is evil
but I really think that kind of like
what you're saying is that it's about
the path of virtue that if you go
through Christ that gate right and ya go
to the Father right anything that comes
through that portal anything that comes
through that gate if you approach it
with love and kindness in your heart and
you want to welcome those experiences
that are gonna benefit you to learn
whether if it is an angel if it is an
interaction with the Archangel Michael's
or different light beings or whatever
the case is I feel like if you're on
that path of righteousness through the
Holy Spirit and through God that we
shouldn't be afraid of anything and I
think that whether you are communing
with the dead whether you are communing
with another spirit or whatever if it's
through that vein I think we're okay and
I think we should want to have those
type of encounters if it comes through
that like that's the pre-work the
prerequisite when anybody comes to me
and they want to go straight to the the
experience how do I community spirit how
do I have spiritual authority it all
comes through this you have to kind of
get that relationship right with God in
that journey in that heart pursuit and
whatever once that's right it's open to
the universe to anything that's that's
what I teach so right i wouldn't teach
just going and looking through these
other concepts without having that
that relationship with God with the Holy
Spirit first amen and through that it
opens up you know I think the best
spiritual experiences right right yeah
it's not like these other traditions or
these other ways are just more
intriguing or they have more knowledge I
think if because we're literally talking
about the God of the universe that
created everything that created the
dimensions and reality in your mind and
these vessels and our breathing our body
created all that so commune with that
you're good
whatever that leads to that's wisdom
laughing I'm with you a lot of good
stuff do you have a website or something
that you can be sure that the website is
holy breasts holy breath org holy breath
org the the hope exploring the the
breath and having spiritual encounter
through that is it's beautiful and I
think that we're just barely scratching
the surface wim HOF is is really big
right now so in in spirituality
holotropic breathing and the whole he's
teaching exploring the breath and being
able to be able to withstand crazy
temperatures that you that you shouldn't
be able to to stand with the body slow
into breathing down speed speeding the
breathing up all of these type of
techniques so it's kind of becoming a
little bit more sexy right now
exploring the breath so I think a lot of
people are into it and this definitely
approaches it from a different
perspective so I guess before we go is
there any type of maybe examples for
those who who would like to try to
explore that breath with you that you're
talking about that I know even in the
book you talk about it but it's
something about hearing it or seeing it
visually to kind of know what it looks
like to kind of see it versus read about
it is there anything is there any
starting places and I know you said that
this is like a lifelong pursuit but a
lot of times we can have that experience
at the beginning that just like hey lets
us know that there's something to this
I'm on the right path let me continue to
explore this let me continue to add this
to my prayer life
essentially right is there any any any
techniques or anything like that that
you could show us kind of going into
that no the look I don't mean to
disappoint but it's it's not it's just
yeah I don't know it's it's you know
it's like do you in the east you know
initiation tones are are taught you know
the whole radhaswami camilli the
radhaswami tradition but I'm not an
expert but I understand so it'd be like
you know so you would again I'm just
please don't be offended I'm just I'm
trying to express this neutrally it
would be as though as you asked me well
you know what are those tones like you
know these are like initiatory tones and
there's a when it's done there's a
sacred you know relationship between you
and the tone and the teacher and you
know so it in a way I can't
it says I'm sorry but I can't it's it I
don't know how to give someone a sort of
initial experience okay I don't know I
mean what the experience looks like for
you though because there's a you know I
mean is it something I mean what would
it look like for you to go in that
someone can maybe try to emulate we have
to kind of you know a lot of us learn
from experience and seeing other people
doing it and then trying it ourselves
and so there's like we're talking about
these other breathing techniques there's
a lot of tutorials out there there's a
lot of it's in it's in you know I'm
saying the Kabbalah how to turn the body
into a light body how to turn yourself
into a markaba using bilocation there's
a lot of different techniques I know we
talked about slowing down to breathe in
breathe in once or twice per second but
it's really no one should know minute
I'm sorry yeah just put it but there's
really no oh you just have to get the
book well no even the book is not gonna
do it you know I mean when I teach
people I do it you know hands-on I show
I lie down this is what I do let me see
you do it
and so as so it's it's done that way but
it's also done as I as I mentioned
there's a an anchoring we which you
could you could call an initiation
I prefer anchoring but it's a it's a
spiritual ceremony if you will I mean so
this is and that's why I keep saying
this is ultimately and basically a
spiritual practice and yet now but again
the fantastic good news is that is that
an aspect of the holy spirit is
available to you I mean I mean this is
this is you know and and look as far as
I know this is this this this gateway
from above Souls well to soul and then
above it on to the Father this is all
new this is not this is sort of you know
this is shake the heavens a type of
thing where it's been it has not been
available to us before and it is now so
you know it's not it's this is not
trifling and and then but it's also not
easy but it is instantly available but
you just have to put your you know if
you will put your butt on the chair do
the work
but it's it's free and and and that's
the good thing about it
John I appreciate you coming on man I'm
excited to explore this book a little
bit and some very interesting outlines
that you sent me and I'm interested in
it we have to we have to do this again
brother thank you for look I've really
enjoyed it I'd be happy to do it again
all right John god bless brother all
right god bless you thank you John
patent ladies and gentlemen exploring
the gospel of the sacred breath chat
y'all need to calm down
tap chat is going crazy right now chat
needs to calm down
chat
very interesting this is something new
right it was something new then and
nobody knows it
have you practiced it what does it look
like that's it I know you know I could
show you some breathing techniques I can
I don't know what I don't know what that
was honestly but um you know he's got a
whole book on it the gospel of the the
spiritual breath and so he's got all
these new laws and he calls it he
actually calls it the new law and so my
personal beliefs you know I kind of I
believe that this is something that he
said Paul or Paul didn't know what Jesus
didn't know it they understood the power
of the breath they understood the power
of conscious connected breathing
holotropic breathing the Bible goes into
a lot of detail about entering trance
state right these different heightened
states of states of consciousness where
were able to experience the Holy Spirit
where we're able to experience God
through the breath for the Holy Spirit
is breath and so there's something that
Jesus understood when it comes to breath
and it comes to the Holy Spirit Jesus
the Bible says he breathed upon his
disciples and they received the Holy
Spirit they received that activation if
you will when he breathed upon them now
what does that breath look like is he
literally breathing upon them is he just
speaking to them in the power and
authority that's in his breath as he
spoke he breathed upon them to receive
it I'm not really sure probably all of
the above right because we understand
the power of spirit the power of our
voice and in the power of encounter and
binding and loosing and those type of
deals that all deal with the breath but
I talk a lot about especially my
meditations where we're exploring God
being as close as our next breath there
comes a place in a
obviously I can't teach this techniques
I don't even know if he can't but there
comes a place where you understand that
experiencing God experiencing the Holy
Spirit through the breath you get better
at it conscious connected breathing
conscious exploring each thought it's
something that we all do and if you
don't you're gonna die if you stop
breathing so conscious connected
breathing there comes a place when you
understand that that you get better at
it entering trance state that you get
better at mindfulness especially with
the breath the breath is so important to
me and then when I go when I move into
my prayer life when I move into trance
state it starts off with an attitude of
gratitude of just being thankful for the
breath the two things my heartbeat and
my breath I start there
it seems minimal it seems something
everyone has but I'm thankful that I
exist that I can claim myself on the
earth the breath I mean we can explore
that as far as the breath of God the
breath of the Holy Spirit once you
breathe you understand what the Holy
Spirit is how did with that encounter
feels like there's a place at the top of
the breath now there's many different
aspects to this but there's a place at
the top of the breath when you breathe
in and if y'all want to do it this is
the technique we can try right just
taking that deep breath and at the top
of the breath as you release there's
this little tingle there's a su phoria
where you can feel the holy spirit it's
that cleansing there's times you can
feel that that little euphoria engulfing
your whole body as a fire even the
Hindus believe that there's a flame
within us and when we breathe in there's
breathing techniques to kind of ignite
that flame there's breathing techniques
that fanned the flame of the holy spirit
to engulf your entire body
to feel that aesthetic euphoria it feels
good it's cleansing other techniques as
you breathing this can just be you're
just a regular breath but you are
conscious of the breath of when you move
into visualization want a technique that
you can do is what I like to do is
breathe in through the nostrils but when
you breathe in imagine a ball of white
light just so you're conscious and you
can follow it
imagine that light the breath in itself
cleansing the Holy Spirit which is
breath cleansing going up as you're
breathing through the nostrils up to the
brain through the head coming down the
back of the spine and see it travel all
the way past all of the chakras
cleansing them out coming back up
through the diaphragm and releasing it
through the mouth so through the
nostrils up going down that white light
cleansing going down coming up and
releasing it out the mouth into the nose
cleansing coming down releasing
breathing in whatever you need peace of
God rest of God presence of God
encounter blessings anything that you
need what do you need imagine it coming
in cleansing going where it needs to be
imagine the breath going in and actually
healing your body because the breath can
heal the breath when we talk about wim
HOF I was watching an interview actually
yesterday or the day before or they were
talking about how exploring those breath
through holotropic breathing that you
can get high off of your breath that's
all you need and it's as beautiful as
you don't need anything that they're
selling you you can go within the Bible
says the kingdom of heaven is within you
that you can explore the breath body is
fearfully and wonderfully made we're
we're just scratching the surface I
don't think this is new like you were
saying I don't think
you know he's got something new if you
want to explore that check it out you
know but I thought but this um um I want
something that the ancients had
something that we forgot right I think
that this is something a lot older than
us a lot older than religion but when we
see little places little pieces of it in
the Bible when in other holy texts
exploring the breath a lot of other
techniques um
there's different counts and so I know
I'll just show you guys some some of
these as well so man breathing in
through the right nostril so you'll take
your left pointy finger hold it over
your left nostril and breathe in and
release it through the other you're
gonna switch and release it to the other
these are different techniques that you
can do to enter trance States and
there's different breathing techniques
with it you have the fire breath which
is a really good one I like to kind of
do that that at the end though but I'll
just show you what that is the fire
breath is just really breathing in fast
through the nostrils you can switch this
up you can you could do it through the
nostrils or you can do it through the
mouth as well but just the fire breath
would be it gets really hard to do for
me because I'm very much a pattern
person be my pattern and my rhythm gets
off eventually but you can work your way
up to this one this is the fire breath
of just going in going
and then you can do we could do like a
four count so well let's see we'll do a
ten count
so we'll do a ten count breathing fast
like that but on the tenth one we're
gonna breathe in all the way so do you
want to breathe it all the way in and
then release all the way out do it again
going into trance-state going into
purifying the body it's good to not have
a lot on your stomach it's good too if
you can fast before trying to do this
not having any meat or not having any
anything in your body besides water
that's something good as well to
approach it to kind of have that
cleansing the temple before you go in
you want to make sure that it's
something when you do these these
spiritual practices and stuff all of it
for me it comes through the scriptures
when it talks about walking in the
spirit there's techniques to walking in
the spirit the word walking translates
there to cadence there's a cadence
there's a rhythm there's things that you
can do to walk in the spirit there's
things that you can do to experience the
aesthetic realms of heaven on earth and
and it's getting our body in tune it's
getting our mind in tune and these
techniques exist to help us just as we
experience the fire breath with that you
can you can do that there's a similar
one you can do with your mouth open with
your tongue sticking out and it's almost
like a you're it's almost like a dog
panting but sticking your tongue out I
know it looks funny I know it sounds
silly but try it in the privacy of your
own home I don't know about if I would
do this when you're driving if you're
feeling drowsy while you're driving I
used to do this a lot and uh because I
would drive for hours and with little
sleeps those breathing techniques in
through the nostril in through one
out through the other it goes in and it
you imagine it cleansing and it does it
cleanses you out but it actually helps
to wake you up as well I'm trying to
think that I wasn't prepared to kind of
go I was wanting him to kind of go into
detail but he didn't so uh even with
those like working your way up to the
fire breath I know I showed you that but
just do that I would suggest doing that
at the end do some of these other ones
at first even with the as far as doing
the four count like the fire breath but
a lot slower but only do it in the four
count as well so we'll do that into the
nostrils are going and on the fourth one
take that big one release it and on the
fourth
there's a bunch of these different
techniques you can try to the nostrils
most people do with to the nostrils but
you could do it through the mouth as
well I like to combine it coming in
through the nostrils and out through the
mouth that's just personally what I like
to do but as you do it and if you have
spiritual musical and you don't need
those things everything helps man if you
have those tones which he was talking
about all of that stuff kind of helps to
kind of set the atmosphere there's
different frequencies that kind of get
your body in tune if you're listening to
tones if you're doing a guided
meditation all of these things are part
of the practice and so there's different
things that you do but as you're doing
it it's about mindfulness it's about the
intention the breath with intention it
moves on okay that's the whole
meditative state the trance state breath
with intention moving on to your words
understanding the power of your breath
there that your words have intention
your words have power be careful what
you speak on be careful what you answer
to be careful what you entertain because
you understand the power of the breath
breathing upon something speaking life
into something life and death is in the
power of the tongue there's something
when the breath the vibration the spoken
word comes into agreement with those
thoughts that we have in our mind and
within our hearts you can thank these
ideas you can have great ideas you can
have a great vision all of these cool
things that you want to happen that you
want to come into fruition but they just
exist as good ideas write them down
there's power in that and then there's
power even moving past the writing down
but speaking it out speaking to the
things that are not as though they were
that's the definition of faith in the
book of Hebrews and speaking it out and
that's how you created the power of the
focused mind in the focus breath when
everything comes into alignment
exploring meditation just through trying
to clear the mind it's very hard it's
very hard that's a good place to start
trying to clear the mind but then when
you add that breathing to it when you
add the breathing techniques to it it
enhances it and it takes it to the next
level somebody was saying in chat I
think was Sheldon talking about how when
he's going to sleep he focuses on the
breathing and it helps him to get to
sleep a lot quicker focusing on the
breath as you're sleeping on it it
definitely helps for me my mind races a
lot I have all these crazy ideas and I'm
reading thoughts of the day I'm doing
things that I'm supposed to be doing
while I'm asleep right the evaluation of
the day like that's what happens when
you go into the dream realm and God
speaks to you God opens up in seal its
seals instruction for us that happens in
the dream state and a lot of times I'll
do that laying on my pillow and so but
if you focus on the breathing it will
help you slow down the mind and where
you're not focused on all these other
things these are the ideas these ideas
you have coming up for that for those
who are real creative it can be really
hard because the mind races but focusing
on the breath to kind of slow down and
be present in the moment
even with your head laying on your
pillow going into the dream state to
facilitate lucid dreams you have to be
mindful you have to go into that wanting
to remember the dream wanting to be
lucid in the dream wanting to remember
wanting to ask certain questions and
pull things out of the dream state you
can do that part of it is with your head
on your pillow laying down and being
mindful of the breath and going into the
dream state these are just techniques
and things that I've done that I've
applied and it I think the sooner that
you try them out the better because I
did meditation for years without doing
the breathing and once you add them
together when you just add everything
man you got aromatherapy you can you
could like copal resin you can you can
light frankincense any type of aroma
that gets your body
relaxed in the scriptures they would go
through the temple and they would burn
frankincense and other types of herbs
and stuff that got the body into more of
a relaxed state or they're talking about
crystals in the chat people are talking
about using crystals there's different
crystals that you can use that get your
body and to more of a aligned state
different crystals do do different
things I mean there's a bunch of
documentaries there's people are using
crystals to block EMF waves to them and
there you can do it with an EMF reader
the microwave all of these type of
things there's different crystals that
you can apply so just applying all of it
crystals aromatherapy as far as your
incense all of these things that kind of
get your body into a trance state we
talked about crystals I mean just look
at the ancient Hebrews how the priests
would would wear these 'if odds with 12
different crystals on them and I believe
that the crystals and the emeralds and
things like that get your body into that
state a lot of times you can feel it
when you're actually just holding the
crystals they get your body into that
trance State Sheldon's in the comment
section says myrrh seems to be very
grounding and focusing I'd use in a
meditation often mer I have have
frankincense here it's really
interesting how when we look in the
scriptures how that's what the you know
I'm saying the gift of the prophets they
brought Jesus frankincense and myrrh
when when he was born right so hey your
prophet you're gonna be going into those
realms this is what you're gonna need
it's very interesting when you you look
at the research in the scientific
studies behind copal resident when you
look at the frankincense and how man it
gets really deep I can't even explain it
how deep it is but you're you're able to
to breathe in the the the different
aromas from a lot of these resins and
your brain receives it differently than
just any type of regular smell and it's
something about frankincense
it gets really deep but um
shoot all of this of the tones there's
different tones in meditation music that
make you feel a certain type of way the
432 pitch the concert pitched in from
440 to 432 changing it it makes you feel
a certain type of way there's different
tones and vibrations and it can get as
complicated as you want it if you want
to focus in light colored light the
angels of the green light there's
different angels that correlate with
light as angels that correlate with
sound as far as pitches I'm working on
some some I've been working on some some
actual guided meditations but I've been
messing with the music as well doing
some some guided meditation music and
just exploring these chords right and
and there's a chord that correlates with
each chakra and they agreed upon a chord
for the heart chakra understanding that
the the sacred heart is is the F chord
and so listening to the F tone and
focusing on the heart each one whatever
you need that work man when you combine
all that stuff together you got the
sound you got the smell that's really
permeating all of the senses and and
you're able to kind of achieve trance
state a lot faster and you can you can
actually go in a lot deeper too so the
different breathing techniques in it
that in and of itself without crystals
without music you don't need any of it
you can explore each of them by them I'm
saying by themselves you can explore the
smell you can explore copal resin you
can explore Palo Santo wood which this
one I have is pretty burnt but this is
here and my that's pretty bad but I got
a little Palo Santo sticks as well
burning sage explore all of it by
themselves see what you like see what
resonates with you and then try
combining them together and just see it
do it and see what happens
astrid says do these angels correspond
with the chakras to just like light and
sound there's a lot of teach teachings
out there that that say that they do
correlate with each chakra but with with
the light and with the sound and with
the planets they do if especially if
you're if you're going out to make
contact with those angels to play that
sound - I mean the hope once you study
the power of the green light the green
light beans
which I talked about a lot of my music
of having those encounters in meditation
with these angelic figures who show up
in green light Sheldon says just gave my
sister some sage told her to pray over
herself and give herself a sage bath
good stuff yeah so exploring the breath
there are examples that you can do I
wasn't prepared I didn't have all my
notes out or anything it's just kind of
going off ahead knowledge and some
things that I practice when we go in but
doing doing that with a guided
meditation exploring the breath guided
meditation into tones that's what I like
to do when I go in so a lot of times you
can have a youtube video set or you can
have your own songs on your playlist set
up to do that guided meditation if you
don't have any I have some available on
my Gumroad page the link is in the
description but some of the new ones
that I just did but doing that guided
meditation and then exploring the tones
to be able to take you and let you
explore that's something that was some
of the things that people were saying
about moving forward with the guided
meditations that I'm doing is just to
give them some time to explore versus
moving because it was very visually
oriented and it was less of playing
around in the spirit when you're having
those encounters so mom was it was kind
of fast I guess the case is amazing
about 20 minutes 17 minutes but um the
people were saying to give them time to
play but that for me is always at the
end right you go through the goddamn
meditation the visualization and then at
the end you are your body is relaxed
yourself
you can go within and and the guide
we're talking about visualizing the
light and I always talk about this but
there's you know usually when you go in
you get all those thoughts out of your
head eventually a light shows up for me
and I know it does for a lot of people
and usually shows up in the third eye a
lot of times if you focus your intention
up you can see the third eye flickering
it's a light purple white yellow red
just flashing real right right for me
it'll start moving it starts to move and
I feel like as I follow it with my
psyche with my consciousness and my eyes
closed
I feel like it takes me deeper into
trance state almost like it's
hypnotizing you with a pendulum or
something but it's allowing you to go a
little bit deeper into trance state and
to try to go through that light to try
to enter in try to follow it it's gonna
move but try to keep focused on it and
try to enter in through it now there's
different levels of go again to trance
state there's different levels of going
into those deeper levels sorry auditor
notification I got some other stuff
coming up I'm gonna be interviewed on
somebody's podcast right after this but
there's different levels and that's one
thing that I kind of explored in the
meditation when we're looking at the
holy temples in the Bible and we look at
the holy temples of the body there's
levels there's the outer court where
just people just show up they're just
they're you know they're kind of a part
of it but kind of not they're on the
outer courts they show up but then
there's another level where you go a
little bit deeper and you enter in
through the gates to the holy place and
then you move in to the Holy of Holies
which is called the most holy place in
the Bible and that's these are different
levels that were able to kind of go into
and experience God is you know I'm
saying very much at a church service -
you get all these people who show up
there they're clapping they're listening
to the music that's one level but the
next level
people who were actually going in to the
trance state they got the hands up
they're listening to the music they're
in trance state communing with God and
then you're able to to go in a little
bit deeper to where nothing else exists
it's just you and God and you're
traveling those realms through trans
state and we used to do it in church you
know when you do that for 45 minutes
straight you're going to enter a trance
state you know when you're listening to
music when your hands are up as to
receive and your eyes are closed and
you're going into meditation for 45
minutes you're gonna enter trance State
that's just what happens so you can
experience that at church you can
experience it at the privacy of your own
home or with a group of people group of
friends learn some of these techniques
that I shared check out John's book it's
kind of interesting or whatever I don't
think it's nothing the Bible says is not
that new Under the Sun I think that uh I
really believe and in revival I talked
about visitation sparks revival the
restless left with in denial
having that visitation they knew
something that we we didn't write when
we look at the prophets of old when we
look at Jesus we look at the disciples
these guys were very spiritual the
Apostle Paul talks about leaving his
body and traveling to the third heaven
it was so powerful so profound he didn't
even know if he took his body with them
it felt so real he thought that his
whole body travelled to heaven but he
wasn't for sure he said there's either
my body or my spirit I don't know he
heard things he's seen things that is
not permissible for men to speak on the
different languages the different tones
if you've been in that state you know
that those scriptures become a little
bit more real as they did for me but
there's a lot of different stuff with
that when you're talking about the
trance state a lot of people and uh a
lot of people believe that when the
Bible talks about the trance State and
it calls it it calls it a trance that
God just pulled them out of their body
for this one time to share this message
with them I really do believe that it's
intentional I believe that we can
go into our prayer closet which is the
prayer shawl right which they called the
prayer closet in the Old Testament why
would it be going in your going into
your closet it the Bible says when you
pray go into your prayer closet get
alone and so they actually had their
prayer shawls they would pull over their
head and go into the prayer closet what
is this blackness entering into that
state of darkness is powerful and again
the possibilities are endless what you
want to experience what you're open to
experience and especially if it comes
through God like that's there should be
a no-brainer
you know entering into that gate versus
trying to find another way in where you
can kind of go around God or bypass God
like what's the intention there where's
the hurts you know what I'm saying but
with God all things are possible for
them that believe if you believe it I've
experienced it and nothing I've just
touched the scratch the surface man and
I've experienced so much but exploring
the breath breath work I'm gonna do some
more of that I'm gonna do some more I'm
I do private sessions where if someone
would like to learn some of those
techniques and and and do it on a
one-on-one session I have some packages
available where we can do it together
and lead you in the private guided
meditation and trance State and stuff so
I'm doing that I'm gonna be doing some
more group stuff too some more group
stuff online where we get together as a
group
Thursday night school of the Mystics
it's good but it's more of a hangout so
I'm gonna have some other stuff coming
up where you guys can opt in to where
it's just going to be focused on that
here is the intention we're going to be
going through it and so they're gonna be
more of them I guess encounters that we
have together
which is gonna be intentional some
people are driving some people are you
know I'm saying it in school of mystic
school of mystics it's fun for what it
is but there's only so deep you can go
when trying to go into trance State so
I'm working on some stuff right now man
I'm if you guys are subscribed to the
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I said this isn't this isn't I'm not
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again from the bottom of my heart I
don't think I don't take any of this
stuff for granted and 2019 is we're
gonna have a lot accomplished and I hope
that you are ready whatever you're
looking for now it's the time to do it
whatever you been preparing for whatever
you been believing for get ready time to
take those steps and I'ma I'm working on
so much right now it's kind of hard to
get it all out man because I'm kind of
divided in a few different things that
I'm working on I want to be able to do
it on the entrepreneurial level where I
can help people step out into their
calling financially you know I'm saying
where people people can do that find
ways that they can make money off of
what they love to do for a living like
that's one aspect that I feel called to
the other is is the healing arts where
we're actually going in and have an
encounter and it really essentially I
think the two go hand in hand because
it's about hearing from spirit hearing
the voice of the holy spirit what the
spirit is speaking for you what season
you are in but I think collectively we
can go in and I think collectively if
you're listening to a podcast about this
and listening past the breathing and all
that stuff whether you're just listening
as a you know I'm saying a scoffer or a
you know saying someone who's just
showing up that's one level but the
other level is we're talking about
people who are interested it's not for
everybody the fact that you're showing
up and you're interested in it means
you're ready the fact that you're
seeking out however you thought you
found this
podcast episode whether you googled it
and it came up or whether you've just
been riding with us for a long time I
think you're ready so if you are buckle
up because 2019 is gonna be the year
that all this stuff comes comes together
for you now is the time whatever it is
and we're going to be approaching it on
every level I'm really getting candid
about different different ways to do it
and I got a whole course that I'm
working on that's gonna show you how to
produce a podcast how to create a
website and how to bring this stuff into
fruition because it's spiritual it's
spiritual but if you just if you just in
the spirit all day and you don't figure
out how to do this stuff on a very
practical and you're gonna miss it and
those people who were doing it prac
there's people who are doing it
practical who aren't spiritual and
they're successful you are spiritual and
practical at the same time you're gonna
be even more you know it's those out
there who literally are so spiritual
minded that they're no earthly good you
got to be both it's about balance we're
gonna do that man
what it is you're supposed to be doing
4:11 what it is you're supposed to be
doing to bring about your best best life
what you want to do what are you doing
now
you have to figure it out it's between
you and God but once you have that
vision then we can talk if you need help
getting the vision I can help you even
now where are you what are you listening
to the sad if you're a lot each podcast
I do I'm talking to young Derek young
true seeker driving the truck cutting
you know I'm saying we eat in the
ditches doing all of these jobs that
I've done to kind of get me to where I
am now and I did some really degrading
jobs to uh to make an income for my
family right did some a lot of hard work
a lot of people are ok they're like
there's people who are good
cutting grass as people who are good
working at McDonald's have you ever met
those people they're freaking awesome
you ever went to a restaurant or
McDonald's or whatever you eat at and
you have those people who are just
excited to serve you they're just
excited to be there
they're good you're good there there's
things you could do on the side side
hustle the things that you don't and
that's your 9 to 5 what is your 5 to 9
and learn how to turn that 5 to 9 into
your 9 to 5 but for me what do you think
I'm speaking to the people out there who
were who were on that job daydreaming
about something else you're on the job
doing whatever you do for a living to
make an income but your your mind is so
I've always been like that
I've never when I met I was in those
ditches we'd eaten like I'm thinking
about you know what I'm doing when I get
home I'm thinking about my next song I'm
thinking about different you know what
I'm saying I can't wait to do it for a
living
but it seemed like something that was so
far away until you find out that there's
practical ways to bring it to fruition
there's spiritual ways to bring any
fruit into fruition it's all on God's
timing but it's about how long it takes
you to learn the lessons and they start
applying some of the universal laws
universal principles to your life where
you start seeing your faith in action
everybody has some some measure of faith
it's given to everybody a measure of
faith
some people have extraordinary faith but
when you have that faith in action then
you start seeing it helping people you
start you know so it's not for everyone
but if you're that person like me you're
on the job I don't know what you're
doing if you're in account if you're in
accounting if you're driving the truck
there's a lot people driving trucks
listening to this podcast I get the
messages they're doing what I'd used to
do they're driving the truck and I just
they want something I mean when you're
driving a truck you got
I mean you you're always in your
thoughts man just driving down those
long highways you know but um you don't
know what you're supposed to be doing do
what you're daydreaming about on on the
job if it's a passion not crazy
foolishness right if it's your passion
it's the things that you keep going into
the the thoughts that keep coming up and
as I look back man I was never content
on a job and it was never about the
money it's about keeping the lights on
and like something I had to do or
something you have to do so many people
are working to fund a pension you you're
working to retire I don't think that's
living I really do believe in being
mindful and being conscious and with
with that that's like turning on
autopilot until you retire working
through the days eight hours here twelve
hours here ten hours here forty hour
week fifty a week 60 hour week you're
just existing you're paying your earning
money to pay for the car that brings you
to work which is like two hundred three
hundred dollars a month then you're
paying for the gas then you got to pay
for you're paying for all this stuff and
you're funding the hold on man this is
the stuff isn't adding up life is too
precious life is too short to be stuck
at a dead-end job of some you just there
by default you're at that job because
you filled out an application because
you needed a job
now you've been there five years now
you've been there ten years six years
twenty twenty years however long it's
been you like this wasn't my plan
this isn't what I dreamt of as a child
that's what it is
what would you dreaming of as a child
what did you want to be I know they
asked you to ask all children what do
you want to be when you grow up did you
tell them a truck driver did you tell
them a McDonald's employee whatever
you're doing
if you if you're content look godliness
with contentment is great gain that's
what the Bible says godliness with
contentment is great gain I believe that
I believe that there's a contentment
there but if if you're just stuck you
don't want to be here this for you
there's techniques there's things you
can do to bring it to fruition I believe
it I believe that we're supposed to
enjoy life man I was a zombie man I I'm
a different person now
it is insane and in this something that
I did not just like you it seemed like
something so far away I mean these light
bills who who's gonna pay the light
bills who's got a wife and the daughter
who goes to private school and its
funding and I mean all of this who's
gonna pay for this stuff how am I gonna
earn a living doing that there's
practical things that you can do to move
yourself a little bit closer into that
don't be scared you should be a little
bit scared you know your vision should
scare you but there's things that you
can do them to you I'm saying to move
into that man and you can start a
YouTube channel those of you watching
live or watching us on YouTube do you
get YouTube will pay you if you can get
an audience how do you get an audience
you provide for a need there's a need
there and you can fill that need the
niche of spirituality of you know
friends topics even Christian Christian
friends or whatever you want to call
what I do I have no idea but um there's
a little market for it right it's not a
lot of money in it but if you can get
views YouTube will send you money every
month here's this little thing I got
check this out I got this little this
little phone here telephone
it's a smartphone it's really smart you
could do a lot with this thing if you
have one of these a smartphone or the
compact us to the internet and you you
have no reason to be broke you have no
reason to be working at a two stuck at a
to be stuck at a job that you hate not
you just here temporary you know you
just like you got a you have to be
mindful I'm just passing through I'm
here for a little while I got dreams
don't give up
just following man you could these
cameras on these phones are amazing you
can start a YouTube channel about
anything if you're filling a need what
is it
let's just think be silly there's some
weird channels out there man that people
are YouTube sending them money every
month and then you have different ways
to you don't monetize your platform and
to put together an eCourse and stuff DIY
stuff let's just start a channel what do
you love to do I love the bake start a
YouTube channel baking cookies you love
to bake show people how to do it
you got some interesting ideas DIY
that's one thing like it gets crazy you
could do a channel on how to wash how to
bathe dogs the best way to get your dog
clean and you just explore that more and
more and more it gets crazy people into
some weird stuff y'all there's some
crazy niches out there you guys are into
some weird stuff too you can you can you
start a YouTube channel that's a
starting do you just start there there's
the world is at your fingertips
it really is you're gonna have to like
even if you're already in your niche
like you there's ways to expand SEO SEO
search engine optimization organic
traffic which is the best traffic people
googling stuff
there's ways to to get what your podcast
your videos to the top of the rankings
that's my goal with this podcast is to
get in front of new people
organically while I don't have to pay to
do it when you google jordan maxwell i'm
one of the first results for somebody as
big as jordan maxwell that's intentional
that was a goal i wrote that down it
came to pass when you google jason
Westerfeld
these are mystics these are people who
are at the top of their fields when you
google their name you're gonna see my
face that was intentional
what will happen if you become
intentional Wow
what if you have a goal you write it
down a vision what our action is merely
a dream you have to be intentional
moving forward create it draw a picture
I got I did it I'm re-evaluating them
hitting goals views financially the
fight is definitely a part of it don't
see your spiritual so we don't talk
about money you better talk about money
money is exchange of energy whatever you
have to offer filling that need men
knowledge and experience so many
spiritual healers like you know coaching
calls you've been through a lot you have
wisdom that has taken you a lifetime to
get tests that have taken you years to
go through to find out that you can help
people one-on-one calls
just because you struggling with money
doesn't mean everybody else is just cuz
you're struggling with money as people
who are anointed to give there's people
that's their calling to come to come
along side you and partner with you and
fund your vision you got to believe that
speaking into existence learn to
prophesy over yourself
I do it I'm seeing the fruits of it the
fruits of my labor you have to do it I'm
getting some stuff ready just to kind of
show you on a real more pride I'm
talking about this you know I want to I
want to be able to take you guys down
through there man and just just imagine
if we lived in a in a world where
everybody got to do what they love for a
living even if it is some kind of weird
capitalistic society that we're in now
but everybody got to be honest and to do
what they love for a living your people
mad he just big man Mondays I use Jesus
that are that feeling in my chest I used
to get on Sunday evening God I got to go
back to work into a whole week what
about those who are working seven days
straight they don't get off day it might
as people working may get two off days a
month
some people are content with that they
love it like some people are gifted and
they love framing houses there are some
people who love working at McDonald's
those people are beautiful men they're
good now everybody doesn't have the same
Drive everybody doesn't have that Sunday
evening damn I got to do something man
how many more years I got I'm stuck you
just feel stuck man not everybody feels
that there's people okay a lot of my
friends who I thought were coming with
me to these levels they're okay they're
cool they're good I wasn't I'm not it
just I'm not built that way that's not
my destiny and you have to ask yourself
is this my destiny was I created for
something more you know what deep down
within if I'm speaking to you if not we
might somehow the power of breath and
the power of the spoken word yeah it's
resonating with you I'm calling it out
of you I'm making you jealous you need
to be jealous you need to be jealous
that you can that you can't get up every
every day and do what you love 4:11 and
to it because that jealousy will move
you to a place where you put that faith
in those dreams in action when you
listen to
this situation when you listen to
somebody who does Park you compile caste
for a living I don't get paid off at a
podcasting app so I'm thankful for
patreon but once you you uh reach a
certain level and in listeners on the
podcast they pay you good you got to get
to a certain level and I'm not there yet
but once you get there they it's a wrap
when you could put ads on your podcast
like on a podcasting app they pay you
really good I'm not there yet the
YouTube money is pennies it really is
but it's something eventually you get to
a place where YouTube pays your light
bill okay the YouTube money just pay my
light bill okay now there's other things
that I have to offer I have t-shirts I
have merch I'm putting this stuff
together in a whole course and you guys
pray for me that I'm able to get it all
out and articulate it in a way to get it
out but I've already started and I'm I'm
pretty much going on the back end to
show you how I do everything how I run a
podcast like this how to get the SEO how
to get the number one search result
wouldn't you want the the number one
search result for how to open your third
eye I don't get number one for that you
have to be really big but I I'm on the
first I'm I'm up there there's other
niches you don't have to do spiritual
niche whatever it is within you man that
you want to do it's music I mean it's
putting ads on your stuff you you would
make a lot more money doing something
like insurance auto insurance if you
even if you're not into it
but you're just an entrepreneur use
something like that to fund what you're
into right maybe what you're into is not
gonna pay a lot there's other websites
insurance ads like spirituality and and
this type of niche or whatever they
don't it doesn't pay a lot at all it's
enough you know
it can be it can be more especially with
the more people the more views and so
but if you're into if you did a blog on
auto insurance just to do it they'll pay
you $15 per click if somebody comes if
someone like I've put ads on my site and
then I've taken them off I don't I've
got I've got my stuff that I want to to
get out there right versus in Google ads
or whatever your search engine is or
whatever your website is about it'll
serve you those type of ads if you do an
auto insurance or injury lawyers lawyers
and insurance if somebody cliff I put an
ad on my site somebody clicks it I might
get three cents a dollar if I'm lucky if
you do insurance you don't pay you $15
per click what if you got it what if you
got ten thousand uh hits per day on your
website and and five people clicked it
and that's about as much to pay for how
much you make per day if you can focus
and generate that traffic you got to
start somewhere it doesn't come well you
got to build whoever it's for men
whoever is for the tools are there
there's a lot of stuff you can learn for
free on on YouTube or books or courses
that you can purchase I'm gonna show you
years worth of information that I've
learned not gonna hold anything back and
so if that's what you want it's gonna be
available and I'm gonna take people
under my wing I'm gonna mentor them and
we won't stop until nothing but the
dreams come true true
it's possible
it's possible whatever it is I'm telling
you many you are there now you're
agreeing with me you know what it feels
like but you knows a struggle you know
the hard work you know the anxiety the
fear it all plays part it's all like
these monsters in these giants that you
have to fight in your epic saga
it's your David fighting Goliath your
Moses coming down from the tip up from
other mountain and seeing all your
friends and family and people worshiping
the golden calf hey come come worship
the calf with this bro worship the calf
what does that calf to you the calf
might be locked into your nine-to-five
forever
you gotta go overthrow that thing turn
the other gods that come up in your
heart these things that pull you away
from your calling you know what you're
supposed to be doing but you feel stuck
it's time to shake that thing man anyway
I didn't mean to go off on that tangent
but I know it was for somebody else I'm
reading in the comments people saying I
so needed to hear this and thank you and
someone recently found you via search
engine that's what it is man
search engine SEO search engine
optimization free traffic you can see
how many or when you have a website
special WordPress you can see how people
get to your website and SEO organic
traffic is the best traffic it's free
it's because they're looking up
something and your site has enough info
enough pictures all kinds of things that
kind of weigh into that then you come up
front and guess what since I understand
that I rank high if not first for a lot
of Jordan Maxwell searches a lot of
Jason Westerfield searches a lot of
Brandon Barth Rob searches a lot of busy
bone from bone thugs-n-harmony searches
a lot of people are mop listening
Margaret Perrin Ikey you guys would be
surprised how much organic web traffic I
get from the interview I did with
Margaret parent it wasn't the best
interview it was more of a personal
conversation speaking about things from
the city that we're from but the god
Warrior she's not the lady at the on the
intro I
viewed her I'm friends with her but I
get the number one number one search
traffic for the YouTube video and for my
website those are 2 or in you'd be
surprised and how man that that videos
got to be over 10 years old as far as
when she was big when trading spouses
anyway there's still like tons of people
googling her and you don't get it she
doesn't have a website you get me that
was intentional it's still intentional
today whoever's looking up gospel of the
spiritual breath you're gonna get me hey
it's practical man they're ways out
there for YouTube to make it happen to
get you you may have the best niche you
might have the best album the B maybe
the best painter but if you can't get in
front of people's eyes stop that kills
me I know I talked about that last time
but I got all my friends who do music
man and they got awesome albums seven
people heard their album and guess what
I try to tell him look keep promoting go
on a podcast fine ways get creative pay
for ad revenue on a website ain't
studying that they ready to write the
next album you get bored when you're
creative you just your mind you keep
moving you're creating all this
beautiful stuff and then you can't
promote it you have no way to get it out
there to people that hurts me I hope it
hurts you it's not good it's not good
man if it's something of value it
deserves to be in front of in front of
people and there's ways to do that with
that being said I love y'all you know it
is what it is I mean I enjoyed a lot of
this podcast and it's just kind of weird
at some points but anyway the breath is
powerful y'all explore it God is as
close as your next breath and that's the
truth so with that I'm gonna say peace
and Shalom I got a bunch of stuff coming
up about to be on another podcast or as
soon as I get off of this one I don't
think it's live dough but I'll let you
guys know if you
up to my website go to my website truth
seeker comm and sign up for my email
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of perks in it for you a lot of good
stuff coming I love y'all shout out to
everybody in the chat holding me down
I'm reading y'all's messages Fred Lynch
Chad look each room I'll draw my passion
Astra at home sauce
Chad all of y'all I see the messages and
stuff so many blessings to everyone god
bless
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