Soul Connect Hypnotherapy | Jill Thomas
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Thomas Jill welcome to the true seeker
podcast how are you my friend I'm so
excited to be here thank you for having
me I love talking about this stuff thank
you so much this amazing show we're
gonna we're gonna talk about a lot of
cool stuff we're gonna talk about
hypnotherapy that's what you do past
life for a group I will say I'm still a
skeptic I want to believe but I am still
a skeptic so I want to talk to talk to
you about it a little bit and and you
also mentioned UFOs and aliens and
things so we'll talk about that this as
well so I guess to kind of get started
just kind of give the people a little
bit I think I heard the word let's get
started
let's get started yeah let's uh yeah
let's just give the people a little bit
of you know background about who you are
what you bring to the table and yeah the
internet is being silly but yeah who are
you what do you bring to the table Joe
I'm a hypnotherapist I've been doing
this for 15 years I started off as just
a hobbyist I enjoyed making all my
friends have better golf games helping
in with past life regressions getting
past fears and phobias and then someday
somebody said you know people will give
you money for this and I'm like really
I'm at this miserable job that I
absolutely hate and I could just like do
that and people give me money and that's
way more fun so then I started this as a
career and it's just it's just been an
amazing journey you'd be surprised when
you see clients how much you clients you
learn so much from every single person
that walks through the door it's helped
helped me grow as a person tremendously
so if you've ever been in the place of
considering a profession like this I
would encourage you to do it because you
don't realize how much growth happens
when you're helping other people you
think it's about them it's not it ends
up being about you it's just so much fun
but I started off as this sales rep for
a software company
I was selling all kind
things I've even sold Kirby vacuum
cleaners can relate to that
a whole new level of misery but I used a
lot of those skills that I learned
believe it or not in sales not to sell
people on hypnotherapy if they want it
great if they don't that's fine too but
it's more understanding why people do
the things they do and also being able
to hear when people are lying to
themselves when you're in sales
particularly when you're on the phone
all day long and I'm sure some people
listening can relate to this you start
to hear BS pretty loudly it starts to
become very clear because people's
voices actually changed when they're
lying to you and they and they're a
little different when they're lying to
themselves - and that's the part that's
interesting because most people don't
catch that right away and that's why
it's so helpful to have somebody who's a
hypnotherapist or a guide or coach that
you're working with because you can they
can hear it I can hear it somebody's
voice changes a lot when the person is
lying to themselves and so part of my
journey is helping people understand
themselves better so that they can heal
the things that are broken or that are
not working in their lives they can have
the things they really want and it's all
about being happy and having joy and
having fun and I help people find that
joy in that fun again I've got so many
questions just out of that I want to try
to stay on topic first but there's some
good stuff there I want to ask you just
about that place of desperation
you know doing something that seemed
brand-new exciting and fun that people
told you that you can do it for a living
and get paid I was in a very similar
spot right I was went to see my first uh
you know Reiki practitioner and got the
lead us into trance state and move
energy around and feel great and she
makes it she wakes up and does that for
a living and I was like man I was so
envious and I wanted to know how I could
do it you know and but from that place
of starting out there to being stuck at
that dead-end job loathing what you do
and seeing this person that you want to
be like in like the journey about
bringing it into manifestation where
were you at in that journey of like how
do I make this happen
maybe I have to lower my cost of living
because it's not gonna pay as much at
first or something like that what was
that
jurnee like I will tell you going from
being an employee to being a business
owner is a very different mindset and I
think that's the part people don't
realize if you've never had a family
member who owned a business you might
not even know how you get started I mean
you know I had to find out that you had
to go buy a business in a business
license I had to find out I had to
register with the county particular city
I'm an has some very lenient rules but
the city I was and didn't so I had to
actually had to move my business to
another city and so all of those little
things that that are difficult at first
if you just don't know what to do I know
it sounds odd but those are the things
that trip people up I hear all the time
from clients I didn't know where to
start I couldn't figure out how to what
to name my business I didn't know what
to do personally I don't like the idea
of having to live in my car so I had
kept my day job while I built my
business because when you start a
business as you know it takes a long
time for you to start getting money
regular money from that business before
it can start paying you and I personally
did not want to put that kind of
pressure on myself and I I like having a
new car every few years I like having
food so I kept my day job until my
business started to put support me and
it really did take a few years I want to
say four or five years before it really
started to pay enough to where I didn't
have to have that day job at all but you
know don't put that kind of pressure on
yourself
let yourself keep the what I call the
bill pair do the bill payer for a little
while and grow the business because it
does take it does take time but I will
say that the the skill of owning a
business and being a business owner is
very different than the skill of being
able to do the Reiki and the
hypnotherapy and in order to do this
successfully you have to be able to do
both so I know it's tough I'm a great
hypnotherapist I'm not always the best
business owner and I had to learn how to
be a better business owner so that I
could always have the bills pay so that
I can always have you know clients
coming in if you can get somebody who
can help you particular if you have a
friend maybe they're not so expensive
you can get get things rolling more
quickly but there's a very different
mindset between the healer part which is
in some ways like a missionary work it
can feel a little bit like missionary
work yeah to you being somebody who has
to be able to make that rent every month
and have an office in a nice part of
town so that your clients feel safe
and being able to have things set up so
that it's easy for you to get and and
experience clients in terms of pricing I
would say you know a lot of times people
screw up and they start charging they
think I should just charge less when I
first start so I can get enrolling it
man that's somewhat true but you don't
want to go down the rabbit hole of being
the cheapest name in the town you know
you don't want to be the race to the
bottom of pricing we when you offer
healing services particularly Reiki like
you said you don't you don't want to be
the Walmart of pricing you want to be
you want to have better skills but and
you want to start to grow your business
but you really just don't want to start
with hey I'm gonna charge nothing or
almost nothing I'll get a lot of clients
because that's not what happens what
ends up happening is when you charge too
little like 20 bucks an hour which is
ridiculously low but I've seen that if
you charge 20 bucks an hour then you get
people who are only willing to pay 20
bucks an hour yeah
and it's true that there's an investment
there's an exchange when you're healing
there's an exchange required the
universe wants something in exchange so
somebody gives me $100 I help them with
their baggage but that money is going to
me I'm receiving it but the universe is
actually receiving it it's the it's the
energy of the flow and so when you're
telling somebody I'm only worth this
you're saying that your problem is only
20 bucks but it's not ya gotta think
bigger does that makes sense
for sure so you actually have a building
right that you see people in put in
person versus just over the Internet
right I do both I do both but yeah I
have an office in Encinitas California
cool cool in your bio it says that
you're clairvoyant reader as well you
mentioned when people are lying to you
that their voices changed and you can
tell when people are lying and I say
little things like that you always know
this that people know this you can tell
this not everybody can tell like a
little not everybody can tell when
someone's lying I wonder if it's that
you do pay attention to the voice change
or is it part of that spiritual gift
that you're able to kind of read the
intention behind their vibration behind
their voice you know as as being a
clairvoyant or being empathic you can
tell when someone's lying you could
tell when someone isn't telling the
truth or someone has ill intentions
towards you or something like that do
you think that those kind of go hand in
hand as far as being able to tell when
someone's lying or not telling the truth
it is both their voice definitely
changes there's no question of that I
don't think you have to be psychic to
hear it sometimes but it goes both ways
I will tell you it's harder when
somebody is and I have run across
clients who are sociopaths and this is
rare so don't freak out and worry that
one of these that's gonna show up at
your doors is really quite rare but when
there's sociopath I will tell you as an
intuitive and this is how it feels for
me is it feels like a neutral like when
I'm talking to you I can feel your
vibration I can hear you know we're kind
of tune into each other but when it's
sociopath or a psychopath I know I
assume I haven't had a psychopath yet it
feels very neutral when that person
shows up I get nervous because that
person isn't isn't in touch with their
emotions and they're they don't feel
things in the same way but you know I
can hear it I can feel it when
somebody's is lying to themselves but
there's definitely something in the
voice it's hard to separate because I
always do both so I can't tell which is
which is say intuition and which is the
vibrational change of the voice but
there is definitely something in the
voice and I'm sure that there are a lot
of people listening who lit particularly
if you've ever done phone sales because
you only you're on the phone when it's
like you're your eyes sights restricted
you can see body language you don't see
what they're wearing you're only hearing
that voice and it definitely changes and
it shifts and there's and that's not
something somebody can try and cover up
I've had plenty of clients try to lie to
me I'm not cheating on my wife but she
thinks I am how do I make her think I'm
not cheating oh that shows up a lot by
the way and I could totally tell they're
lying but they can't cover it up in
their voice but they can cover it up in
their body language a little bit it's
just stuff that you pick up but yet
there's definitely a vibration in it
it's tough when you are naturally
intuitive to separate what's what's this
and what's that that makes sense yeah I
think the phone call thing is
interesting as well dealing with people
over the phone because like I in like
because even this morning I had to call
the internet company and try to get a
credit and I'm complaining about my my
bill and my service being in and out all
time and and I know they've heard it all
before I'm trying to get a credit they
won't give me a credit and I'm trying to
complain in my and I've get kind of but
I don't want to I'm having to like I'm
not the one who's complaining I needed
you know try to be Stern to get a credit
with my bill they wasn't having it but I
can even tell them my own inflection of
my voice is like I don't even want to
ask you for this but this is what I kind
of got to go through the motions to try
to at least get a credit and you know
they they read voices all the time they
can tell when when that stuff happens
and voice has changed and stuff so sure
interesting to pay attention to whether
it is something that spiritual or
something that you're picking up that's
physical or a little bit of both I think
it's somewhere in the middle there's
like you know personas the way people
carry themselves the way they talk the
way they move body language some of that
stuff that we learn but it still ties
back into the personification of you
know the spiritual essence of that
person or what they're involved with
even like someone who is cheating
they're going to try to always put the
blame on someone else or whatever the
case is and so you kind of learned that
that that stuff as well right yeah you
know there was something you just said
that I want to I want to go back to is
and this is a classic healer thing I
don't want to I don't want to have to
ask for this thing because I don't want
to hurt your feelings you're saying this
to whatever I'm assuming it was like
class or something and you empathize
with the person who's on the phone with
you and you're the healer doesn't want
to have to say but then the business
owner has to say look I'm running a
business here and if my Internet's down
I lose money I require a credit so
that's where you have to be able to
balance those two skills you'd have to
be a jerk about it
I mean I know you weren't but you you do
have to be able to say I have a business
business requires this thing to be
working and if it's not I need
compensation for what I lost yeah so can
you kind of kind of hear that yeah and I
didn't want to and because and the whole
thing is like I've been through I've
been through this I know what they're
gonna say we're gonna schedule a
maintenance guy to come out here the
maintenance guy comes out can't find
anything wrong and it's just like man
just
over and over and over and even when I
I'm sorry to put my internet problems
out there but it's a big deal right even
like the streams kind of acting silly
right now but when I tell them I have a
business I'm losing money they say well
we have a business plan and that
Internet's three hundred and fifty
dollars a month but you get a dedicated
line I'm like $350 you know there's no
way no way I could do that but anyway
you have to kind of play those roles
even if you don't want to in a we had a
comment here in the chat
Gabriel Kraft says it's unnatural to lie
that's why the body reacts in a negative
way because you're going against what
the body wants to do but you also have
those people who that's all they do is
lie like I've had some friends they lie
about stuff they don't need to lie about
you know asking them have they ever seen
a movie a certain movie oh all right I
don't want to watch it I've seen that
movie seven times okay well what is a
you know what's it about and they can't
tell you what it survives like and I've
met other people who meet strangers and
tell them they own businesses and they
get their phone numbers even and just
like hey I own a business and I'll make
something out and if we walk away I'm
like you don't you don't own the
business what was that about this tea is
weird whether that's the part of the
sociopath as well but it's really
strange when people do that you know to
try to present themselves and a certain
type of light or whatever well and I'm
not gonna be a saint here it's in that
everyone else is a sinner I've done it
too we've all done it I mean we lie
about human beings we lie about stupid
stuff I like it it's an interesting
concept to think that it's not natural
to lie I'm not sure I mean I feel like
this thing that we do every one of us do
it does at least ten times a day on
average I'm not sure that that's
unnatural but it's an interesting
concept that to think that if it is
unnatural that would explain how the
body language and the voice is different
Gabriel you're making me think you're
making me think I like this but yeah I
we all do it I mean we lie about stupid
stuff we it's all about impression
management I want to put a certain
persona after the world I want to
present myself as being more affluent
than I probably am I want want things to
be presented in a certain way because I
want a certain image particularly if
you're trying to promote a
or anything you want people to think
you're more amazingly popular than you
really are and you what you know the
book is great it's a wonderful thing but
you want everybody to hear your best
foot forward so yeah we do Lyle all the
time everybody does it
I'm telling you everybody exaggerating
stories you know I try to check myself
on that and then you know to make sure
that I don't do that because I got some
pretty crazy stories again we're talking
about the spirit realm and
spiritualities and aliens and and stuff
like that like but what is that they
would like to to step into that realm of
the unknown even for the first time
don't want to check yourself like how
was that for you you know I love to talk
to people about when they first got
started if you had experiences as a
little kid and you know you have this
just one-time experience that stays with
you your whole life and it changes the
course of your destiny because you get
into maybe the paranormal or listening
to podcasts such as this one because you
had an encounter with the ghost because
you feel a certain type of way when you
bump shoulders with strangers in Walmart
you can you know what they're thinking
how was it like that for you just
starting out with this spirituality and
things like that as a child yeah I was
really young when I first started seeing
people who didn't have bodies I hate to
say you know dead people because they're
not really dead they just don't have a
body anymore
might what am i I love the way described
it one of the memories that really stuck
with me that that kind of influenced me
a great deal was when I was maybe four
or five I saw my grandfather and then
there was a woman behind him who wanted
me to tell him that she was really sorry
that she had to be raised by these awful
people that it wasn't her plan and so
I'm telling my grandfather this and this
is a family secret I didn't know that
everyone didn't know the woman that
raised him was not his biological mother
was actually his grandmother but that
kind of came out later but I got
backhanded and thrown against a wall
because in my very conservative
Christian family that kind of thing was
not okay that was and he was yelling at
me that witches get burned at the stake
you don't want to be a witch and I
remembered like oh my god what is this
thing you know this woman is
fine I can see her just as clearly as I
could see him but I knew she didn't have
a body anymore that was pretty obvious
to me but you know I remember when that
happened I kind of shut it down well if
this is a bad thing why would I want to
be and do something bad
especially if there's violence involved
so for me it took a long time to sort of
open it up again I was always kind of
seeing dead people and I was always kind
of getting intuitive information but
that really shut it down it was only
when I was a teenager when I started to
feel more comfortable with my
spirituality that I started to let it
come back in and I remember like praying
okay guys you know I know when I was
four I said I don't want this but I
changed my mind can I have it back now
okay it started to come back especially
when I did more meditation and I started
taking classes particularly in
mediumship and also channeling which is
an amazing one I think everyone should
take training and channeling it's just
because it's not that hard and it sounds
weird but it's really not and I really
recommend those kinds of things but you
know I to me it never really seemed
weird to see people who didn't have
bodies it never really seemed weird to
understand know the backstory behind
things and to know that people were
lying to me because I always I always
did
I know people had these great stories
where these near-death experiences were
they awaken and suddenly I see angels I
didn't have any of that I sort of always
had something my whole life so I don't
have that great big event you know there
was lots of little events and for me it
was all about being comfortable with
being different it was all about being
comfortable knowing things that I wasn't
supposed to know and that has kind of
been my journey is feeling comfortable
with myself and feeling safe I mean I
know a lot of people listening who are
healers don't feel safe telling people
you know it that thing where I you say
you always seem to know stuff and I
pretend that I don't know well I kind of
do and it's because you're it's in your
aura or something you have to get more
and more comfortable with that aspect of
your own personality and that does take
time I will say yeah that's uh you know
that could be a hard one just coming in
to the gifts and figuring out what it is
and how to use it and and then learning
etiquette with it learning when because
you know things about people that nobody
else knows you know and
when do you speak that are you speaking
in a group do you pull them aside in
private because it's you know
controversial you know and so that
there's just learning what that is and
walking in and using it takes a lot of
time a lot of practice and a lot of
bring that up because people don't think
about that it is not appropriate to say
to somebody hey you're dead grandma's
standing behind you and she wants you to
know that the dogs okay
I mean that's not okay unless they've
asked you you can really freak someone
out that way I hate seeing like those
medium shows on TV which we knows are
staged it makes it look like they just
went up to some random person in the
butcher shop and told them about their
dead grandma
yeah that's not in real life that's not
okay even with clients when I they come
in for hypnotherapy and I can see stuff
in their aura that something's gonna
happen or they're gonna get pregnant
soon unless I know that it's okay
they're not even less they're there for
a reading we're talking about
hypnotherapy and that's it and that's
hard for me cuz I want to but you know
and I'm I'm not necessarily trying to
tune in just to things that are not part
of the scope of what we're talking about
because people are entitled to their
privacy just like I am and it's not
really okay for me to read everybody on
the street and also I would be really
tired if I did that but you love that
you bring that up because it is
something I think that's the lesson a
lot of healers have to know is when is
it okay to say something and you you
know sometimes it's okay to say
something to a good friend if you know
that they're open to it but in general
it isn't okay to just go up to a random
stranger and tell them stuff it's not
that's not cool yeah it could be very I
think the information that comes through
can be very personal and you got to find
the etiquette like I really deep stuff
you know someone going outside of their
marriage do you call them out in front
of their spouse like you know like do
you even bring it to them do you keep it
to yourself and say you know what let me
move to the next one you know all this
kind of stuff and you pick up all of
these things and just learning etiquette
to do it and even in the church right so
this is where I kind of got into the
spiritual giftings was in the church and
we would pray for people and you would
be able to pick up impressions off of
them about what they were going through
you may feel a pain in your body if an
ailment
that they were dealing with or whatever
it's like how long that was I
encountering that and experiencing that
with people before I said hey what's
this about your neck being in pain or
whatever the case is or you know what's
this about someone who can't hear out of
their left ear being in services and
stuff with people and I would go
definitely in my ear and not knowing
what it was I didn't already so it's a
spirit or it's God letting me know that
someone needs that ear open for in
prayer and things like that so trying to
figure out and navigate through this
stuff that's why podcasts like this and
the work that you're doing your books
and everything are very important to
take some of the I don't know if we want
to you know you know spookiness off of
it some of the Hollywood off of it even
you know cuz it is it really does happen
more natural then you know like in
Hollywood a spirit appearing and
whispering in your ear like going some
of the television show some it sometimes
just it works to your imagination you
see that person or random thought pops
in your head that there's no way you
would have thought that and it takes it
a little bit further and deeper and say
okay now what I do it to do with this do
I ask them about it or what so what were
some of the things just starting out
obviously you had you know something
that happened whenever you were young
that caused you to turn it off right
that that's what happens with most of us
we take off visions we tell it to people
and and they don't agree with it or you
know in the Bible Jesus says don't throw
your pearls before swine you start
running around telling everybody you're
a clairvoyant you're empath and they
they laugh or they don't believe you and
it kind of hurts you you you're looking
for some type of edification and
gratification in it but nobody knows
what that looks like right and how
practical it really is so what were some
more of the things for you that just got
you to really step out and know that
something was going on was it just that
one that one instance that you knew from
that point or was it like you know
because when you when you have those
feelings and you get those thoughts and
impressions when someone responds or
breaks down in tears
whether you say hey hey
who is so-and-so and you just mentioned
the name and it's um it's someone who
maybe just passed away or whatever the
case is and they break down in tears in
it confer it builds your faith really it
confirms something within you that hey
there's something more to this to pursue
then next time I get this impression I'm
gonna do it again and you start building
your faith and stepping out for bigger
bigger bigger things and things like
that - eventually you're able to do it
full-time right what were some more
stories like that for you that just kind
of built your faith growing up oh when I
was maybe 10 we my family owned a chain
of grocery stores in Arkansas and at one
point we had an employee was stealing
and I remember like standing next to him
and I said to my dad this guy is
stealing from us and know your what
evidence do you have and I kept hearing
like for me a lot of it was unlearning
the things that my parents said or that
my family said because they were not
comfortable with my clairvoyance my
talking to dead people thing at all but
it turned out he was stealing he had
stolen like crazy amount of money and I
I never got validation from my family
never we everybody said it was right but
it started to get me thinking you know
sometimes maybe I am right and it is
okay but I love the example you gave
about praying in church and having a
chance to tune into a person intuitively
imagine if you've been in a class where
it would have been safe for you to say
to that person I hear this thing with
your ear and then you can learn okay
when when spirit is showing me an ear
that's dead it means this because what
if it wasn't exactly that their ear
canal was ghost maybe it's that they're
not hearing intuitive thought so they're
not hearing if you've been able to get
some validation or some back-and-forth
that would have been very helpful that's
why I always tell people it's really
good to get training even if you think
you don't need it I mean I mean how many
intuitive say I am naturally intuitive
like it's this badge of honor and that's
great but yeah naturally intuitive but
go to class because then you learn who's
not your client you learn the rules you
get feedback I loved it when I went to a
mediumship class I took James Bond
Prague's mediumship class was just
amazing and it was good to hear you're
wrong but you're not completely wrong
it's actually this thing and I could see
the symbols that spirit would show
but I had lots of lots of incidents like
that where I would say his secrets I
would I asked the guy I remember asking
somebody a friend wants money what is it
you guys are moving I see you moving in
a couple of weeks and he starts the same
thing they start crying and it takes you
a minute to realize wait if somebody's
crying maybe I shouldn't have said that
you know that's when you that's when
taking a class it also helps you learn
the etiquette of it that can be helpful
and sometimes it isn't helpful because
maybe that was a private thing they
weren't ready to quite talk about what
if in it loved your example back to the
ear thing what if that pain they were
feeling in their side was something
private that they didn't want to talk
about like I hate a hernia or something
really secret private medical thing that
you wouldn't necessarily want to say out
loud yeah you you have to learn how to
to read when it is appropriate to do it
or not but that's the thing I love about
class though is because that's a safe
space to say no you're wrong yes you're
right to get the validation and to start
to feel out what does right feel like
and what is wrong feel like because I
will tell you intuitive messages tend to
come and they're much more quiet they're
not full of a lot of emotion so with an
eye I remember a story when I was
driving one time I was watching was
raining and I was watching somebody
drive crazy and I thought okay I heard
in the voice very clearly outside of my
ear actually usually it's inside my head
but this one was outside me or the voice
said this person is gonna have an
accident they're gonna hit the car
behind them and they're gonna spin and
so I glanced over to see what exit I'm
near I've got 911 on the phone before
the accidents even happened and I've
moved over to the other Lane and I've
got them on their way before you know
before I can really react and it was
only later when I started crying because
I thought I realized I probably just saw
somebody die because it's a really bad
accident and but in the initial moment
it's as quiet knowing yeah it's later
that we attach the emotion to it so I
always tell people if you're if you're
scared if you're feeling really scared
like your house is about to explode that
may not be intuition that may just be
your own fears
yeah because intuition is much quieter
than that does that make sense that's
true yeah yeah it usually doesn't yell
like you're saying it's usually like
those yet cuz that's all I was gonna ask
you like sometimes we get these crazy
years that we're about to get in Iraq
and you wonder if it's a premonition or
it's just your mind playing tricks on
you above other cases and so you're
always like going back and forth to
weigh the information with this
discernment like what is from me what is
my overactive imagination and what is me
picking up impressions about things that
are about to happen and that that's a
journey in and of itself and wanting to
step out to see if you're right or
whatever the case is but you know
learning and growing in a safe
environment is is key for people who are
who are having this um same phenomena
happened to them that that's how I
learned we learnt in in certain church
services and then small groups that we
would go to that practiced it and we
would get off in in two pairs and and
pair up and we would sit until we got a
word for somebody even if it was just an
encouraging message to help them and so
that's how I learned and then we're
doing that even with our members and
stuff on Thursday nights will break that
will break down into groups and teach
them how to do it and it's very
interesting it's like some of the
breakthroughs people have had for the
first time just stepping out you know
most of the people who are listening to
podcasts like this and who are into your
work even the people who book private
sessions with me for the most part
they've been people who are called to be
healers themselves but they just have to
get over these hurdles and want to know
what it looks like and things like that
so being able to do the sessions with
these people are even like a small group
they pick it up they just never been
facilitated and say hey this is what it
looks like maybe try this and it's so
insane to see the people starting out
for the first time giving someone a word
and then them just break down into tears
for the first time and that's like like
healing tears you know that's like
validation of just speaking it out and
then ministering healing to it and
saying that it's okay speaking healing
blessing and blessing them through
prayer and things like that growing in
small group and community like you said
I wouldn't know how
I'd be so so confused man
if it wasn't for that you know those
times and then listen in the podcast as
well because there was maybe even some
deeper things that I got into that I
probably couldn't talk to those people
about you know that I needed someone to
talk to who's been through it so that's
what's so important about coming out and
being okay with who you are you know if
you come from a long family of Creek of
Christians and you say well I I see dead
people you know we praying against it I
mean that's what happened to me in
church I was trying to tell the pastor's
I was having all these premonitions
about you know things that were gonna
happen to the church and the people in
the church and they were like rebuking
it like it was the devil and told me not
to entertain it and it was stuff that
just when it started happening and came
to pass I was like okay there's
something to this you know yeah and
there was something you just said
earlier that I want to go back to you
spirit guide spirit guides are
frequently the ones that bring us these
messages this information spirit guys
having done a lot of channeling with
clients with spirit guides they or do
not speak in essays they usually just
give you a couple of words spirit guide
information is usually like a five word
ten word bit of wisdom they don't take
the time to tell you a whole essay
unless they're channeling a blog or
something like that but I you know I
love what you said about the other thing
I want to go back to is that I do like
to clarify with with Christianity I
think Christianity is a beautiful face
but it's I think the Christ himself
would never say don't talk to dead
people
he was scared you'd be screaming that
that's not true
it's the religions themselves that
create this whole you know facade around
it and in turn you know a beautiful
being with lots of beautiful messages of
love and light into something that we
should be afraid of and and make the
devil out of phenomena and spiritual
enlightenment but but I love
Christianity itself like Christ
consciousness is so beautiful and I
would love to see religion you know sort
of separate out the religion part of it
from the spiritual part of it and have
because it doesn't have to be mutually
exclusive if you're listening and you're
a devote Chris the devout Christian you
can still talk to dead people you can
still do those beauty
things it just goes against the beliefs
that you may have been indoctrinated but
it's it's this part of growing up is
starting to wonder what's true and
what's really not what's true for me and
what's really not true for me and that's
that's part of becoming a human being
and growing at a deeper level is
questioning all those things don't don't
you constantly question everything you
see in your life now it's crazy yeah and
the cool thing is there's a lot of
Christians who are getting into this you
know they're they're kind of returning
to the roots of their faith and they're
seeing Jesus you know meeting with Moses
and Elijah on the top of a mountain who
died you know hundreds of years before
he was here you know who went on into
eternity but they're teaching him from
beyond the grave you know and so we you
know and it gets into you know our
ancestors contacting us and watching
over so there's like a lot of that stuff
we've studied that's been in the
scriptures the whole time it has nothing
to do with Western evangelicalism it
looks more like Eastern thought which
Christianity originally came out of the
east and it's littered with supernatural
and paranormal experiences and things
ghosts and all of that stuff's in there
in a positive light so that's the work
that I do is try to shed light on that
stuff and there's a lot of people who
are you know trying to make sense about
what they're feeling and and you don't
have to abandon your faith you know what
I'm saying you don't have to abandon
Jesus or your love for Christ because
you're having these encounters and
experiences and stuff it's really
interesting when it comes to healing
writing these people who were coming to
us again I've received the revelation
some years ago from from God it was
healed the healers and that's just been
my thing on my mom and I are I mean it's
most of us right anybody who's been
through something you have a natural
empathy to help people so most of us
have been through something and we want
to help people heal so most of the
people that I deal with they're healers
themselves but they have to get over
their obstacles I had to do I had to do
my own inner healing before I could step
out and not be triggered and I get upset
or lash out or whatever the case is you
know so what
you seen as far as people coming to you
who are called to do the similar work as
well is it a lot of people for me it's
almost everyone do you see that as well
or did you see or is it just some of
everybody who comes to you no I mean I
do get I do get it you know a lot of
everyone but I will say right now
especially I'm getting a lot more
healers coming in and that I love what
you just described we all have
experienced something I firmly believe
that healers are not born I believe that
they're created and I cringe lately
years ago I actually used to work at a
hormone research laboratory and we were
researching testosterone different
hormones on the body and one of my
teachers one of the the people in charge
of research whenever we'd see somebody
was really high testosterone and I asked
and what does this mean he said oh it
just means that when they were a child
there was violence in the home and then
I for some reason that ding-ding-ding
went in my head when I when I would see
someone with a really high testosterone
on their lab report I would ask them
about violence in their home and then I
would also ask them about if they were
intuitive and nine times out of ten they
would say yeah I kind of am I don't
really talk about it and I started to
develop this theory that people who
experience violence disharmony difficult
things in their early childhood turn
their intuition on to full blast and
they turn their to it and testosterone
up just to actually make them feel safer
it's just because of this aggressive
hormone that helps you feel safer but
I've noticed that over the years that
when you're talking to somebody who is a
healer they always have had something
really nasty happen when they were
younger that caused them to turn their
intuition on to full blast so that they
could figure out if they were safe when
they were going into a home so I'll give
you an example somebody who had a father
who was violent you had to be able to
feel out a room before you walked into
it to know if you were safe or not so
imagine a two year olds turn their
intuition on full-blast to feel out
dad's vibe to get his feeling and now
fast forward 20 years later they're 22
and they're still using that intuition
they're still feeling the entire room
determine if it's safe now first of all
that's gonna give them anxiety disorder
which is another reason I see a lot of
these healers I see a lot of healers for
anxiety disorder but it also makes you
open to uh
to the vibrational frequencies of the
room so in a way that's how we're
created by bad things happening as a kid
because we have to learn how to be able
to feel the vibes in the room read
people to know if we're safe and it can
be difficult as an adult because that
same person goes into the grocery store
and they're reading everybody in the
room and that's why they're getting
anxiety
because they haven't learned how to turn
it off or how to selectively listen you
know you want to know if the date there
you're with is planning on doing
violence to you but you don't need to
know if the person standing next to you
at Vaughn's or the grocery store is is
having a bad day or not that doesn't
need to be any of your business but
that's one of the things that healers
getting training is very very helpful
but yes probably 80% of my clients right
now or healers in training yeah so
that's interesting you lean you kind of
link the empathy with anxiety you know
and there's all these memes and we all
joke about it hold on we we we all joke
about it talking about how healers and
empaths can't go to Walmart because
they're picking up on all the energies
and and you're just kind of like getting
beat up by them you know you know
everybody not just one or two people who
need a message but every single person
and it turns into anxiety and then you
can't look the people in the face
because you have all of this stuff going
on because you've learned to like you
said read the room and and know those
people groups and you're you're reading
everybody what type of persona they have
what spirits are on them and sestra you
know lineage all types of things and
you're just trying to go get a gallon of
milk you know and you're having to put
up with all that stuff so being able to
maybe heal from it or just learning to
turn it off and on and only I think some
of the stronger ones tend to come
through like with some of the more
powerful encounters that that people who
really need help or something what would
still come through but like how do we
kind of turn it off but not like all the
way is that do we turn it off and on as
some people say or how does that work
because it's very overwhelming for a lot
of people you know
and you're absolutely right and this is
why I always tell people healers get
with other healers because we learn
tricks and tools personally I kind of
imagine a like a raincoat leave you're
right if you're wearing a raincoat
you're still gonna know it's raining but
you're not gonna get what I actually
work a lot with my own spirit guides and
I asked them to not let people other
beings bother me and if unless
somebody's dead grandma is really
intense and that has happened it is hard
for a spirit to pester me when I'm not
on duty
and I because I also want I have to
think about for myself I think of it as
somebody's privacy I value my privacy if
I'm at the Walmart and I'm reading
somebody I'm invading their privacy and
I have to remind myself of that partly
because it really isn't any of my
business if what's going on in their
life you know unless they've asked me or
made an appointment and given me money
as part of the exchange then it isn't in
my business I always just sort of
imagine the raincode other thing I will
do is I'll imagine their energy going to
the earth and asking mother and mother
to recycle it into love but you you do
kind of learn how to I don't like the
word shielding because it ends up a
shield ends up becoming a barrier which
becomes a thing and we want to let
people's energy go past us and into the
earth but as you know or if sometimes
I'll imagine a raincoat with with lots
of light around it that's beautiful so
there is this reflecting they imagine
love feeling love but I know what people
are going through that that overwhelming
anxiety of being in a public place I
will say that ends up becoming an
impediment and you end up being coming
almost handicapped if you don't seek
some help for that I will say with
hypnotherapy that's one of the easier
things to resolve is just sort of
turning down the volume on the anxiety
it doesn't mean you're turning it off if
somebody wishes you ill you're still
gonna know because your spirit guides
are gonna slam you on your shoulder as
well as your dead relatives are gonna
let you know if somebody's gonna hurt
you but to be able to go into the
grocery store and function or go to a
baseball game and not freak out that's a
big part of just living life and that's
one of the things that that training
will help us but I know I know what
these people are going through and
personally I hate the word sense
I hate that frickin word I we call it
sensitive person syndrome because
they're not sensitive they're intuitive
they're picking up other people's things
that word sensitives I know it's
semantics but to me it sounds it implies
weakness it's not weakness it's a
strength it's just it's a gift in the
curse a lot of people going to the
grocery store being overwhelmed they're
feeling the curse but the gift is that
when somebody comes to them and they
become a healer and they doing an
exchange they're able to give useful
healing information and healing light to
that person that's the gift but the
curses can be hard to just do ordinary
things sometimes without training if
that makes sense yeah if that's not
dealt with someone who is intuitive and
dealing with anxiety can it lead to
mental disorders such as schizophrenia
and if so have you seen people be healed
of that I noticed I'm not really allowed
to work with schizophrenic so I don't
work with them I don't know that much of
as a result I don't know that much about
that I'm not sure that anxiety
necessarily leads to schizophrenia I
will say that anxiety can lead to other
illnesses because I have seen that I've
seen people get really sick and have
nervous breakdowns and things like that
I don't know about the Millett mental
illness of schizophrenia because there
there is a physical component to that as
well there are a lot of healers though
and and I'm not sure where I sit in this
there's a lot of healers that don't
believe there really is schizophrenia
that is just people being able to talk
to dead people or people hearing voices
from others from the other side and that
may very well be the case I don't know I
know with some things like bipolar
disorder they have actually found some
chemical imbalances that that seem to
cause that problem make that problem
worse but that's another thing I can't
work with clients on so I don't know a
lot about it but I will say that there's
more going on than they're telling us
and I if somebody is telling you need to
take a drug question that sometimes you
do sometimes you don't I don't know I
get I get a lot of people reaching out
to me who you can tell just by the
conversation that you know stuffs going
on in it's almost you know nine times
out of ten they're dealing with with
spirituality as well I've seen it in the
church
even in the church it's like there's
this weird breeding ground for people
with who are delusional you know and
they say you know I have I have one guy
he was he's a good friend of mine he
holds just stuff together really good
he's a great guy but just weird stuff
comes by like talking about getting cut
like demons flying by him cutting
cutting him him in the head he's asking
us have y'all been cut today you know
Tommy when we cast out demons that they
fly by cut you in the head and I'm like
you just hear a lot of different weird
stuff and especially I feel like when
it's when people are having those
overwhelming encounters what if it was
okay what if the demons flying by
cutting you in the head and then what if
your grandmother's in the corner trying
to correct you and then the person
behind you is nudging on your shirt
trying to get your attention like I
think whether it's if we want to
diagnose status schizophrenia that's
very overwhelming and we need help and
if you don't treat that it will you
don't have to call it schizophrenia it
will drive you mad it will drive you
insane
so we had that the work that we're doing
is it's beautiful and it's much needed
and I say that because I've been through
it you know and I have that empathy to
reach out to those people because I've
been there and it's very overwhelming
not being able to turn it off or on and
just kind of being bullied by everything
I feel so sorry for those people because
I personally has never been my reality
I've always had barriers up between
what's wheels supposedly what's here on
the earth plane and what's on the other
side I but I feel for people that don't
seem to have those barriers up as
tightly as I do I wish I knew how to
help them I really don't but I see what
you're talking about they really suffer
with living in the regular world because
they they don't know if the person
sitting next to the my car actually has
a body or not well I can I'm pretty
clear about whether they have a body or
not and I'm also not seeing necessarily
dark things in people's auras and I when
I get more of those kinds of clients
when I do psychic readings I get people
that I had a client once who said who
was telling me they were absolutely
convinced they were dating a celebrity
and I googled this celebrity obviously
they're not dating them and I knew they
weren't dating them but it is like what
do you say to that yes yes yeah I have
to deal with that and I'm married with
children you know and there's women who
say they're dating me and they're not I
mean let's get into this too there's
that but they even it gets into the past
life stuff because they were they were
married to me in the past life as a god
or a goddess or something and they and I
am another God reincarnated and we were
married and now they're here trying to
work things out or some you know in my
wife's received death threats from these
people yeah and it's gotten really it's
schizophrenia it's not good it's it's
wrong it's sick that person is sick and
needs help and I've heard I've had these
conversations with some of these people
who have had past life regressions who
come back with all of these crazy
grandiose ideas the inbox me and tell me
that they were my mother in a former
life and this lady says she's my lover
and wants to rekindle things in another
life it's crazy
and I think a lot of its you know people
who were suffering from delusion how do
we make sense in what is the value that
you bring to people who when you talk
about path life regression and I think
some of this may be what I'm talking
about is paths live suggestions I'm
gonna suggest to you who you were or you
can be whatever you feel like you were
whatever where does what does that fit
in and trying to make sense of all this
stuff versus people taking it way left
field taking your money and telling you
these grandiose stories that you were a
king or a great magician you know and
then the 16th century and things like to
have it's kind of a joke in the
hypnotherapy world I think most people
don't realize this that whole idea of
past life regression therapy is very
controversial by the way people who are
mainstream hypnotherapist look down on
people like me who do past life
regressions because they think that we
are polluting the well and making it all
taking away legitimate and theirs then
they're not entire
I will I will admit that the joke is
that everybody thinks they were either
Cleopatra
Queen Elizabeth yeah I get a lot of
dudes
thinking they were Pharaoh's magicians
those are magicians there's another one
he was every time they have some special
on the History Channel about some
Genghis Khan that's the one every time
they have a special on the History
Channel I get phone calls people saying
they're convinced that they were one of
these famous people who's jenga's Khan I
love that one because I got three dudes
coming in who paid my fee to find
convinced that they were him and they
weren't you know they weren't but you
have to keep in mind that there's a lot
of ego that goes involved there if I am
telling myself that I was Cleopatra now
me who's kind of a small person in the
world gets to be goddess right that
makes my ego soar and if I am a
practitioner and maybe not scrupulous I
will gladly tell somebody yeah you were
you were a famous Pharaoh whatever in a
past life and then they keep coming back
to me because their ego loves that
little stroking that's one of the things
we're having somebody who's got a lot of
training can be very helpful because
it's easier to spot the ego Cleopatra
had a huge entourage of people around
her
Queen Elizabeth had a huge entourage of
people you didn't person may not be
completely off they may have been
connected with that Queen or that
royalty at some point but not
necessarily the Queen and I'll be honest
with you I've never had Cleopatra or
Elizabeth show up in my office ELISA
that I know of so it's a tough one I
always tell people when somebody comes
in I really feel like there's gets a
friend because there's an energy about
it and I can't describe it any other way
but there's a vibe that just doesn't
feel right
schizophrenia another one that's bipolar
when it feels off I usually refer those
out she's somebody who has experience
with that because I just don't and I
know they need help
it's tough but there are plenty of
unscrupulous you know psychic readers
who will do a past-life reading which is
not a past life regression which is just
me telling you whatever you want to hear
Oh in the 16th century or this that and
the other thing rather than then telling
you what what really is helpful because
I will tell you when I actually do past
life regressions most of the time people
you
they were famous they don't necessarily
get the name because in on the spiritual
side that's not necessarily helpful it's
helpful to know you were burned at the
stake it's helpful to know that you had
issues with money and you were worried
about money it's helpful to know that
you starve to death it is not helpful to
know that you were you it might be
helpful to know you were a king but it's
not necessarily helpful to know which
one because our ego is the one that says
well I was that I must be special yeah
we're all special special and we're all
nobody it's it's usually like people
they it's usually something that they
want to be in this life that they're not
and it's like this automatic credibility
well you know I was a king I was a king
in the 16th century I might not be one
today but it's still in my blood you
know it's still in my DNA you hear
things like that or the magician it's
usually what they want to be doing but
they're not and it's interesting too
about the people who claim to be maybe
these other people reincarnate it and so
like I said that the celebrities like I
know whenever David Wilcock who's
brought a lot of great work to the table
came out saying that he was Edgar Cayce
he caught a lot of flack and people
making fun of him and it really kind of
messed up his work a little bit and he's
tried to stay away from it and not bring
it up maybe delete that kind of those
that material he had out it's
interesting too I've dealt with some
groups who claim to be Jesus and the
twelve disciples reincarnated and
there's different Christian groups who
claim that you know this person is Jesus
that person is the Apostle Paul and then
you got you know all of these people and
then they find each other and they're
all part of this little cult and they
have conversations amongst one another
like reminiscence of when they were in
Jerusalem in 2000 years ago and you know
the Most High brought us all back
together for for this great work and
it's not just one group like I've heard
of a couple different groups and I've
had clients come to me who will say you
know I was studying under this guy who
claims to be Jesus and I kind of think
he is you know and it's so weird
the scripture but Jesus even told you
there's gonna be many people who come
and says to Here I am there I am but
don't believe them when I come back
you're gonna know it you're not gonna
have to find it on a website or go visit
some guy in Brooklyn you're gonna know
so that that's that's interesting when a
people want to be celebrities or give
this instant credibility my scrutiny
towards some of the channeling and stuff
like that I actually put out a little
mini documentary thing I made about how
it kind of gives you instant credibility
with there's like an escape goat there
you know and even in the church where
we're talking about like people who are
moving into prophetic and whether even
if there's no spirituality maybe it's
just the Bible in doctrines and things
like that and they the instant
credibility is God told me to tell you
this oh I didn't say it God says it
whether that's in the church or whether
that's you know with the channeling
thing I didn't say it this is channeled
from raw there's an instant credibility
you need to listen Ross said this is the
raw material or whatever and so there's
some scrutiny there what do you what do
you think about that that's definitely
going on but that in channeling
celebrities this is what I want you to
take on channeling celebrities and
people doing seances to contact Michael
Jackson Hitler things like that do you
believe that they're as easily
accessible as just doing a seance and
all of these people you know claimed to
be meeting with these celebrities and
past people like that - it's a good
question I mean I like the example you
gave earlier about people who are you
know have these groups and I think
they're Jesus it is possible they are
channeling some of the apostles and
thinking that that's them
it's also possible that's a great deal
of ego I died I mean it's also it is
possible that they're channeling Michael
Jackson I Princess Diana is the one that
comes up a lot - I get a lot of people
say that thinking they were channeling
Princess Diana and telling some very
interesting things about her death
I don't know I have mixed feelings on
that I've never tried to channel a dead
celebrity because quite frankly I'd
rather talk to a higher level spiritual
being I'm sure that Michael Jackson is
great he has a lot of nice things to say
but I'd rather talk to somebody who has
thing better to say and I will say that
our ego will very frequently get
involved so when we're hearing something
that doesn't sound right
that's how you sort of know you know the
ego is the one that will say I'm good
and you're bad yeah you're good and
you're this is right and this is wrong
ego doesn't speak in shades of grey the
way spirit guides studio your guys will
very frequently say sometimes this is
the right thing to do sometimes you
should eat meat sometimes you shouldn't
sometimes you should it's okay to have
wheat sometimes it's not you know spirit
guides will talk like that and they
won't say things like you're bad you're
good this is bad this is good they'll
they'll say things like sometimes or or
they'll just speak from a higher level
vibrational or they'll point out the
higher level of it I just I don't know
that there's a great value to channeling
Michael Jackson I mean you know I'm not
gonna lie I probably would go to some
way if you sounds like fun I mean it was
like fun just because I I love I'm a
connoisseur of human folly I love things
that are weird and odd like that yeah
but I'm not necessarily gonna sign up
for that person so you know seminar
program to learn how to channel Michael
Jackson because I just don't see any
value in it but it's a tough one I would
just say buyer beware and I think a lot
of us who are in the spiritual world
like you and I both are we've been
around this long enough to be able to
smell bs pretty pretty easily and these
people the harder part is that some of
these people that are channeling Michael
Jackson and doing these things they
genuinely believe this it's not it's not
like I'm hearing in their voice that
they're lying they don't think they are
so that's why when she said when their
person says I think she's really I think
he really is channeling Jesus what I
heard was she he really thinks he really
is telling Jesus so they don't
necessarily think there are charlatans
charlatans are a little easier to spot
but because they're easier to spot
there's not as many of them but I think
there's a lot of people that are more
self-deluded than anything yeah we want
to believe this stuff right we want to
believe it and you know that's and I and
I bring all this stuff up just because I
but I want it to be real like I want all
of it and a part of me saying I mean
obviously it's real to that person
right if they've encountered that and
they've experienced that whether I met
with your grandmother or not the message
hit home and it brought closure you know
what I'm saying that's that's that
person's reality at the end of the day
what with any of this stuff which is a
very interesting thing to look at as
well because when you do have the
charlatans out there who are faking it
we've talked about this many a times on
the podcast with with different people
it's the fact that you know there's a
lot of people who fake this stuff
because it brings about a beautiful
experience for you it brings about
closure now because we act like we
healed seven people who stood up out of
a wheelchair when we prayed now when
it's time for us to pray for you and
your ailment or you and your mental
disorder whatever you there's a level of
expectation which a lot of this stuff
works off of placebo how much do you
believe it if you really believe it then
you can achieve it you can receive it
and that's that's the fact of the matter
if it's true to you and you believe it
you you receive it whatever it is with
any of these encounters with you know
all of this stuff that we experience and
there's more if you can believe it right
we've seen some crazy things in our
lives and our experiences and it's it's
opened up our mind to be able to receive
more and to seek it out so that's
definitely happening are they justified
in that and the fake televangelists
healing because people are getting
healed I asked one guy who is a magician
he says that he thinks it may be okay as
long as money isn't involved as long as
they don't do the fake healing and then
pass the offering plate or do a fake
healing and fake fake regression and
then charge you what do you think about
that I mean the people do have a deeper
faith in God of faith in the spirit
world after some of this stuff I mean
even one of the most you know and noted
channelers or whatever Madame Blavatsky
I've got her books from the 1800s in all
types of theosophy most of our
spirituality is based off of a lot of
her work who in the end was found out to
be setting
a lot of encounters with children hiding
under the house tapping and dropping
letters out of the roof and things like
that are they justified what would you
say I would say no I love what he said
though that's a good way of putting it
that as long as there's not money
involved there's not taking advantage of
it I can I'm gonna go gray on that and
say yeah he might be on to something
with that but I absolutely say no
because even this lady who did this in
the 1800s created this great movement it
hurts in the long run because everybody
ends up figuring it out yeah you know
and what what if somebody's healing
isn't complete what if it's mostly
they're mostly isn't there still benefit
to that you know what if their face
didn't didn't completely grab ahold of
it and they didn't get a hundred percent
of the healing isn't there still benefit
to not having to say it was lied you
know it's it's a good question and I'm
glad you're asking it because I can hear
what you're saying is sometimes it comes
from a place of love I want to trick
people so that they believe that all
these great things have happening so
that this wonderful thing really ends up
happening but yeah I don't know that the
ends justify the means because
especially in this day and age I just
think it gets a it ends up getting found
out and then these people get
discredited and then it hurts all of the
messages that all of us try to say it's
better to be honest and be less than a
hundred percent healed than to lie and
beyond you know have this hundred
percent healing and the other thing
about David Wilcock because I'm a big
fan of his idea when I read his book the
way he worded when he said that he
believed he was reincarnated from Edgar
Cayce I didn't hear a lot of ego in that
I have heard people who said I was
reincarnated from whatever and their ego
is just screaming it when he talks about
it it's more instructional like this is
why I can do some of these things this
is why I've gotten this and I didn't
feel the big ego with it but I know what
you're talking about how it did
definitely hurt his credibility
quite a bit and I think a lot of people
backed off of him after that but I mean
when I actually read what he really
wrote it wasn't that bad it wasn't that
bad got a couple questions here so
bonnaroo thank you for the donation he
asked two two-part question he just
wants to know any hypnosis
stories that are that you can share that
validates past life or your your most
convincing story about past life
regression like what made you believe
that I mean we all have heard I mean it
goes both ways we've heard the stories
of the little kids who were drawn the
way that they died and that the airplane
crash and they were in the Vietnam War
we've heard all of those stories and
then we've seen other kids do that and
then they were found out that their
parents coached them you know there's a
lot of different stuff but what was it
for you that really made you believe him
or maybe even with some of your clients
that made them believe that of
experience you could share so one of the
first past life regressions I did after
I got training is the first very first
past life regression I did was an
accident a person we're just going back
to the original cause of something and I
actually went back into a past life and
I went oh no now what do I do so that I
went and got training but the very first
one after training this was a friend of
mine was just a practice session we did
on her couch and she is from China and
she speaks with a very heavy Chinese
accent and when i hypnotized her we went
back and suddenly the accent was gone
and suddenly accent sounded very German
to me so I had her go back to in she end
up going back to a time she had wanted
to get some clarity with she was having
a lot of trouble getting along with her
dad she couldn't figure out why they
just couldn't seem to get along so go
back to someplace in Nebraska and she's
describing the town and she's speaking
in German and I've had enough high
school German to understand what she was
saying and I'm thinking when she learned
German like I you know cuz I've known
this person a long time and so I'll I
had to ask her for English because she
exhausted my high school German and I
hadn't been reached it was one of the
first ones I did so I wasn't recording
it and so I didn't record it but we were
talking about what had happened and why
she was having trouble with her dad well
her dad was her brother in that
particular lifetime and it was I think
the eighteen or nineteen ten or nineteen
fifteen something in that era and they
were using a thresher I don't know if
you know it's a farm implement it
basically cuts the wheat and her her dad
who in that lifetime was her brother had
accidentally pushed her off the thresher
and and she went under it and that was
the end of her and her brother
in that lifetime was so upset about this
accident cuz I think he just leaned on
her or something like that had happened
and she fell under it and got cut to
bits and she had to do it we did a cool
process where she forgave him and he
forgave himself what he did and then we
brought her back and I brought her up
into awakening consciousness and I said
hey when did you learn German that I'm
speaking German he's talking about she
didn't even realize she'd been speaking
German she also knew everything that she
said even though it was in very clear
German with a heavy accent and it she
was real clear about what happened with
her dad but the the kind of the more
miraculous part although that's pretty
miraculous it happened later because her
dad called her that night and all of a
sudden they were like having this
conversation and they were chatting and
everything was great again and they were
able to talk they went to dinner and
they now have a beautiful relationship I
still know this person she's still my
friend I have no reason to believe that
she would lie about not knowing German I
have no reason to believe that and I had
no reason to believe that she would
somehow fake a German accent I just I
can't even imagine that happening so
that's when I went man I mean I've
always believed in reincarnation always
have but whether somebody could actually
recall it I wasn't sure if that was true
until I had that experience and it was
it was absolutely amazing
okay so here's something we've we've
talked about on here as well when it
comes back to reincarnation a good
friend of mine Adam starseed Bay he was
talking about how maybe in this it was
just hypothetical maybe it isn't past
past life regression maybe it's our DNA
and we're able to access our ancestral
maybe it wasn't us maybe it was
ancestral DNA that we're tapping into
and it's coming through that was an
interesting way of looking at it as well
you're talking about the language
changing this woman automatically
speaking in German it's very interesting
to look into again you know most of my
self is from a Christian background
right so I can I could bring this stuff
up in the scriptures and in the Bible
and then see how my spirituality relates
back to it speaking in tongues and the
of X right there's during Passover all
of these people from all nations tribes
and tongues came to Jerusalem to
celebrate the Passover and there was
people there who spoke different
languages and when the Holy Spirit fell
these people began to speak in tongues
and in this particular instance these
tongues were legit languages it's
essentially like what you just said a
Chinese woman speaking German and it was
like declaring the wonderful works of
God in their native tongue
supernaturally hey I don't know German
but here you go and they just would just
tell all of these people speaking in
tongues and it was a miracle that
happened there are other instances later
in the scripture that talks about like a
supernatural language that comes through
that's pretty supernatural as well right
I've been in very different groups as
well we're a little very similar a
little Chinese lady would would uh be
there and she barely spoke English but
when people would speak in tongues she
automatically knew what they were saying
she had the gift of interpretation and
knew what they were saying when they
were speaking in different languages she
thought that everybody did from my own
experiences I speak in tongues it's a
it's a heavenly language I've been
writing down some of the syllables
trying to translate it okay if there's
something that I'm repeating over and
over why not try it
Google Translate became my best friend I
began to write down the syllables put
them together type them into Google
Translate and it began to have messages
we are for humanity we are here to help
heal meet with us
spend time with us like these really
interesting things that were coming
through there's that tongue that I have
and it's it has its own dialect even
right sounds a lot similar to other
people who do that but there's a deeper
level that has me intrigued whether it
is my ancestors speaking through me
whether it is my me reaching deep down
into my spirit I'm part Native American
as well but when we get into some really
deep rare and really deep fair where
somebody is going through some really
deep trauma a lot of times it has to
deal with emotional baggage demonic
possession even oppression and when we
get to this certain level there is a
different tongue that rises up in me and
it sounds like an old Native American
when it comes out it speaks with power
and authority there's usually something
that happens really quick the person
breaks they whatever has been ailing
them leaves and there's freedom that
comes most of the people in the room can
feel it a lot of Tears a lot of freedom
I can't just turn it off and on it only
comes out I don't know if that's the
true tongues of the Bible that we're
talking about is that my ancestors who
are like hold on let me assist you it
opens up a lot we're left with a lot
more questions at the end of the day to
really write it in a book and teach it
what would you say to that what's your
first impression with that it sounds
like you're channeling it I mean I'm a
channel it sounds like you're channeling
it and when you're channeling a spirit
guy they're not always going to show up
whenever you want them to you have to
get into the right state of mind which
if you're doing healing work you're
gonna be start to get into that alpha
stay or that deeper state of mind you're
raising your vibrational frequency you
have to keep in mind with spirit guides
because they're at a high level of
frequency vibration and we're down here
they come down to our level and we go up
to theirs and so so we're connecting in
that way but I would say that person's
channeling it I'd like to I like that
guy's theory about it being part of our
ancestor line that certainly makes sense
I find it hard to believe that my client
is from China who has no ancestors that
are German that she knows how to German
ancestor and so I just don't think it
explains all of them but I I would
absolutely believe that there is
something to the fact that we may be
channeling a higher level being I will
tell you a higher level being is giving
these I love what you said these
beautiful messages these beautiful light
messages but your dead grandma your dead
grandma might say you look ugly in
yellow you know your dead grandma might
say something like your boyfriend is
really worthless I mean it is a little
bit
easier to spot that and when somebody's
better in tune with their own
spirituality you can spot the ego
playing a little bit too because the ego
messages are very negative ego messages
might tell you to do something
destructive and I love that because
you're such a higher level being you're
gonna be able to spot when you're
tapping into something that may not
necessarily be at the highest level
because first of all it's gonna feel
wrong your spirit guides are probably
not gonna let that come in but you'll be
able to be aware of the messages which
is why I get nervous when people talk
about what you were talking about
earlier when somebody says that they're
they're channeling this being and
they're telling them that the women have
to wear long skirts and can't cut their
hair that's not being that's that's
either their ego or that's a lower level
being and the person just hasn't had
enough experience with their own
spirituality to be able to determine the
difference and their own ego is just
enjoying this power trip as well so I
think it's more channeling and I think
you're channeling something very
beautiful I love the idea of you writing
it down and creating a language maybe
that was maybe that's your mission maybe
that's what you're supposed to do and
maybe that's why they're coming to you
who knows maybe it's an alien being
speaking in a different language that
you're able to somehow tap into because
it's part of your lineage as a Native
American there's there's something about
you and we all have something like that
yeah there's something special about you
that makes it possible for this
beautiful thing to happen with you that
may not happen with somebody else it
doesn't mean that somebody's less than
or more than or that you're a better in
anyway it just means that this is what
you brought in with your vibrational
frequency and your lineage and time and
place and and all of that in the same
space does that make sense
yeah definitely and you know I think the
beautiful thing is that all of these
scenarios are possible and plausible and
probably all happening right it's
probably a little bit of all of it mixed
together and whatever we can decipher
and try to put it together to you know
make some sense out of and everybody has
their portion what they're good at right
and learn what that is and do it really
good what you said about you know the
grandmother coming through and just
getting on to you and say hey you need
to get your stuff together or just I
don't like it when you wear that hat you
that offends me or whatever so here's
the notion again maybe with the
celebrities or people channeling Hitler
or whatever the case is I've heard you
know I think you get into trouble when
you just kind of maybe even play with
the Ouija board and say any spirit
that's here that wants to come through
we're looking to talk to you again when
I went through my crazy experiences I
essentially did that I wanted to open my
body up as a channel for anything
there was no boundaries I just wanted to
I wanted it to happen and it did and it
was more than I could bit off more than
I can chew but the notion that the
spirits on the other side just because
they have passed and they're not here
anymore
I don't think that means that they're
necessarily good people right and I've
been saying that there's other other
psychics and mediums who come on and say
no they've they've learned their lesson
they've ascended now they're on the
other side I do believe in poltergeists
I believe that you know maybe the guy
who you're channeling in your home or
the ghost you're seeing maybe he was a
child molester and you know I don't
think he's ascended just because he's
crossed over where do you sit with that
with the ego and the different beings
and people who carried darker energy now
that they're on the other side are they
better people do they get it now
or are maybe some of them are still here
lurking and looking to mess with people
I don't necessarily see as much dark
stuff because I've sort of asked my
spirit guides I don't really want to see
that stuff but one of the things I do
get a lot though when I do a mediumship
is I will hear a lot from from like a
dead let's say you've got a it's always
the creepy uncle a creepy uncle or the
creepy grandfather who is the child
molester what I've heard many times from
them and also from their spouses which I
will sometimes bring through is that
there's a there's classes they have to
take there's learning that they have to
go through to try and heal what they did
within themselves because that's that's
that's something in there and these
classes are voluntary so if they choose
not to do it they may not grow as a
person but absolutely I don't believe
that it's just because somebody doesn't
have a body anymore they've somehow
become
st. yeah you know my own my own
mother-in-law who did not look you
didn't really love me like a daughter
she's a nice person but she you know we
we didn't click
she has through a medium giving a not
nice message to be huge it's really
funny but it's not always this beautiful
love and light I mean there's still
people you you can't just assume that
because they've died that they're now
Saints in terms of the darker energy you
know do you want to talk to you the
child molester uncle if unless they have
something to say telling you how sorry
they are that's part of their healing
journey you get to decide if you're
going to a medium if you want to talk to
this person or not but there you have no
presenting cuz I've heard this many
times from people from people I've
brought through is that there is
definitely some classes that they can
take to to heal what they've done to
learn their lessons on the other side
but it is easier to learn them on this
side but if they didn't if they missed
lesser if they didn't learn how to be a
better person they get a chance to do it
on the other side for sure yeah isn't
that what well you know reincarnation is
though like it's that karmic loop loop
like you because you were a bad person
because you didn't respond with love or
learn the lessons while you were here
you're reincarnated into another
lifetime or some people believe another
being maybe I don't have heard things
such as animals and trees and things
like that and you have to experience
that life to learn your lesson and kind
of pay for the wrong that you've caused
on the earth and things like that so
that's the I mean that would be the
whole thing about reincarnation right so
that people can reincarnate here to
learn the lessons over and over in this
this plane of existence I still think
there's some in some classroom like
instruction though you know I I may be
given a brand new car but if I don't
read the manual if I don't take some
time to learn how to drive this cool car
but I got I got one like that where I
really did need to mainly the manual car
was so complicated but you know I so you
have to get this car and experience it
and learn how to do it in order to learn
the lesson I still think there's some
classroom instruction because I think
there's there's things that the person
misses unless they get higher level
training on the other side but yes the
karmic loop
absolutely but I think there's another
part to it the other thing that we
haven't talked about that this is
probably good dimension that there's
something about parallel lives people
might be living more than one lifetime
at a time so sometimes you bring
activities into this lifetime that you
may be experiencing in another lifetime
in another body in another part of the
country where you're living at this
exact same time and that can be part of
this as well absolutely that's
interesting yeah the whole parallel life
lifetimes and so much stuff and I would
you know people have these weird dreams
man I remember as a little kid like it
was sometimes I maybe I couldn't sleep
or I feel like it happened when I was
sick that I would always like maybe had
the flu or something I would go to this
weird place and it's looking out of like
a different person's eyes or what type
of scenario and anything I would go
there throughout my childhood maybe
every few years or something but it was
a place that was all too familiar but I
could I couldn't explain or wrap my head
around what was happening but it was
like another life and it's it's very
interesting to explore that what's going
on as far as like passing the test and
learning the lessons for me I teach that
it's responding like Christ responding
to every situation with love and respect
and that's how you pass don't freak out
trust your higher power trust God and
respond with love does that sound like a
good way how to pass these tests and
things that were taken here is
responding with with love and
understanding and compassion I love that
it was beautiful I also like the idea of
looking at why you do the things you do
so the creepy grandfather who molested
somebody it would be helpful for him to
understand that it's you know that's a
learned behavior so somebody did it to
him to understand how to have this
experience and not pass it on to
something else in that you know
responding like crisis is beautiful it's
just that that's the bigger message the
nitty-gritty sometimes is understanding
the particulars of why somebody did the
things they did so that they don't do it
again yeah
I know we always look at the perpetrator
and we say they're a bad person and
they're terrible but if you can look at
the bigger picture and understand what
motivated them how did they become like
this we can understand more about
ourselves by seeing the chain of how
this evolution happened so that we can
stop it before it starts within our own
selves because we all have I'm sorry we
all have the ability to do bad things
and we've we've been the perpetrator in
a past sighs we've been the victim in a
past lives we've been both so none of us
is nominated for sainthood yet and if
you're a victim of some kind of a crime
I'm not telling you that this is that
you've done this in a past life but
there may be something in this that
you're supposed to learn and frequently
when people are victim of a crime in
this lifetime I've seen this a million
times that is the instigation for them
to become a healer and teach other
people how to heal from it so I firmly
believe that these things don't just
happen to you randomly although they
sometimes they do randomly for no reason
there's something in this for you to
learn and pass on to someone else and
that's that's where the gift comes in
because the gift becomes the gift for
all of us when you have something happen
that's bad and you learn how to fix it
if you show me if you write a book and
you leave the red crumb trail and show
me how to fix it within myself yeah
that's so beautiful you know the
scripture says that what the enemy meant
for your harm God will turn it in turn
use it for your good so the things that
were used to kill you we're gonna be
your strengths and you're gonna bring
healing to those people again you have a
natural empathy you'll have to act like
you care you really do write you and
it's natural so it's so awesome Jill
I've really enjoyed this conversation
thank you for coming on hanging out with
me you got a bunch of really cool stuff
on your website you have some courses
some books and again you do private
one-on-one sessions to really go into
hypnotherapy we didn't really I think we
kind of I think all of this has
something to do with hypnotherapy but
there's a bunch more resources on your
website if you wanted to direct traffic
that way and let people know what you
got going on it this would be a good
time to do that I appreciate it my
website is soul connect hypnotherapy
comm and I wrote a book called tales
from the trance
it's about client experiences I tell a
lot more stories than we got today
including a couple of the ones that we
talked about today and if you go to my
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Hales you can actually download the
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pretty soon thank you Joe thank you so
much I'm a friend have a good one you
too bye Jill Thomas ladies and gentlemen
hypnotherapy past life regression
beautiful stuff man
Healing comes to the broken places first
whatever you're going through man seek
out that healing there Guinness it
becomes like layers of the onion you get
healed from one thing and then once that
thing moves out of the way you find out
that there's just layers upon layers of
of hurt and and then there's layers of
layers upon heat for healing speaking
healing to all that stuff and again the
ripple effect that it has you heal
yourself and you cut off that negative
thing that was happening in your family
tree whatever it is if your family tree
your family lineage lineage has a
history of abusive fathers abusive
mothers whatever it is someone always
someone posted here you know why they're
always the father's not gonna be the
mother's abusive mother's mother's who
you know don't care who don't show up
who abandoned their children and it
usually it's what we call a generational
curse it begins to happen
over and over the same thing in every
generation you can cut that off you can
also in the midst of that and create a
blessing for your family lineage that
they'll be blessed in a thing and it's
very practical as well as spiritual but
it's very practical I mean look at
family businesses and how that operates
I mean
I have friends of mine who are preachers
and they're preachers because they were
born into it their dad was a pastor
their grandfather was a pastor so it's
only right for them to be a pastor it's
in the family business and so they grow
into it essentially it's like father
like son you just like your dad now the
good qualities the bad qualities for me
as a child of God as a Christian as a
believer in Christ I'm just like my
father my father in heaven you know I
want to have his qualities right I want
to abandon the fleshly nature of my
father who was a drunk or who is a
Drunken who walked out on his family
right I don't want those qualities and
if you don't if you don't cut it off by
default you're headed down that path
that's the default is to just perpetuate
this cycle the hurt the abuse we come
from a long line of men who abuse their
wives I grew up seeing my mom get you
know beat up by boyfriends and my
cousins and uncles putting their hands
on that you have to stop it it ends with
me whatever it is and it's so the
spiritual the spiritual essence of
cutting it off it stops with you you be
the change that you want to see in the
ripple effect that it has going down
from generation to generation again the
energy that you're putting out healing
yourself healing those around you
Healing other people they're gonna go
out and do more so just because you you
get yourself together and then you begin
to influence those other people around
you from Jerusalem to Judea Samaria and
then to the ends of the earth start at
home start within this is something big
man we got to understand that everybody
wants to change the world you want to
end abortion you want to end this and in
that and pass legislation how's that
working for you how's it working change
yourself you start within I have friends
and I was even in it good with rallying
at the freakin you know events and doing
all these marches and all kind of stuff
trying to change
legislation it doesn't work that way now
you have to change yourself to thine own
self be true start with yourself and
then you can change your family and then
that affects your friends and then that
affects your city then your state then
the nation and then the world because of
the work that you're doing within you're
doing the work that you're supposed to
be doing bringing forth healing to the
nation's that's the only way it's done
arguing with people debating how's that
working for you probably running people
off you know trying to find people who
just agree with you and believe in what
you have to learn some empathy man
learned long-suffering you know that's
one of the fruits of the spirit right
being able to suffer with someone for a
long time not just not being easily
offended and running people off when
they you know disagree with you or
whatever the case is man love keeps no
record of wrong again change yourself
start with yourself this that's what
it's about change the world only you can
do it so with that being said I'm gonna
say peace and Shalom again if you guys
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perfecting it and it's coming out really
it's coming out really good I might
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going live on someone else's podcast I'm
talking about facilitating spiritual
encounters again just really talking
about what we've been talking about it's
like if you believe it then you can
receive it and if you set your faith to
that level you can expect it how else
are you gonna see UFOs how else are you
gonna summon light ships unless you
believe it go out there and try that
stuff man most of you have you've seen
it built your faith to really start
believing some really interesting
encounters and we all have them we have
stories galore not just me a bunch of my
friends mostly most of you listen that
can tell me beautiful stories and
encounters and what it would it get for
your faith and what it differs your
psyche
yep we're gonna be doing it patreon.com
backslash true Sica see you guys on the
other side peace peace
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