The Power of Hypnotism | Mechanics of the Mind | Spiritual and Scientific | Jason Linett
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today's guest hypnotist
Jason Lynette Jason welcome to the
podcast brother
hey so good to be here thanks for having
me oh man I've been looking forward to
this one been speaking about it with
some of my friends who were stepping out
and hypnotherapy I've been taking some
courses myself and we're all excited
about this conversation man you actually
won hypnotist of the year for 2017 from
the mid-america hypnosis conference
you've been on TEDx talks you got so
much stuff that you offer you're killing
it on the Internet you type in your name
and it's just pick and choose what you
want man so you're out there killing it
as far as your social presence and
stepping out there doing live events and
stuff you actually run what is it
Virginia hypnosis so you have your own
practice and you have your own building
and all that kind of cool stuff so
you're doing it man
again welcome to the podcast brother I'm
looking to discuss some of this stuff
with you yeah looking forward to it
yes that mindset that we can take our
skills and bring them out there beyond
the one-to-one so yeah there's the
Virginia hypnosis which is the office of
sitting in right now but the whole
digital side of things including the
book including the training side of it
the whole catch race has become the
world has become a lot smaller and we've
got that opportunity to begin to touch
the lives of others in a much more
direct way it's awesome man
when when we're approaching the subject
of hypnosis well let me let me get let's
just don't go there yeah let's go let's
just get a little bit about your
background man what got you interested
in hypnosis to even begin with let's
just start there yeah sure absolutely I
started actually my career path in a
very different direction I was working
in management in professional theater so
I wasn't acting directing or designing I
was the guy behind the curtains calling
Hughes and helping everybody get along
which there's a lot of psychological
training right there and it goes back to
the the Welcome Week of my college and
someone came to the University and did
one of those stage hypnosis shows and
I'm watching I'm amazed by it and it
just piqued my curiosity enough to want
to go out and learn more so picking up
as many books as I could going to
courses picking up videos and admittedly
I was looking for that that stage
hypnosis entertainment side of it and
all the books I was picking up
we're all hypnotherapy based so it
wasn't exactly what I was looking for
yet it was fascinating so I kept looking
at it so the years progressed in the
theater world and the professional side
there's Actors Equity Association that's
the union that governs stage actors as
well as the stage managers and I became
a member of that and that theater career
meanwhile the hypnosis had kind of been
growing as a hobby I was doing some
speaking engagements some presentations
I was working with individual clients
and it really helps to solidify that
discovery that just because you're good
at something doesn't mean you have to do
with the rest of your life so I found
myself on that track to get what I
perceive to be the dream job
theatre career and as soon as it was
there we just it felt like a bit of a
kick in the stomach going I don't want
to have this lifestyle or here's this
thing I've been doing part-time and
inspiring people helping them overcome
challenges let's go off in that
direction and do something very very out
of the ordinary as it were so part of
that journey has been a lot of speaking
engagements a lot of time working with
one-to-one clients and as you mentioned
nicely there in the intro the
opportunity to reach beyond the physical
space whether it's training that I do
now all around the world either in
person or remotely just that opportunity
to again take what we can do as a skill
or even a service and take that out to a
much larger audience and just that
opportunity to to take what's working
sometimes and reinvent that model time
and time again yeah yes yeah it's
definitely working and there's a way to
do it right it's just not just
presenting it like it's a way to present
it I think you're doing a really good
job at it with your website it's
phenomenal everything that you have to
offer all of the free stuff that you
have just to kind of let people know
what you do it's it's amazing man moving
forward talking about hypnosis
hypnotherapy is that the same is it one
in the same or is there a funny answer
in terms of our inner dialogue we're
basically talking about the same thing
and just to give some of the sort of
logistics of things the word
hypnotherapy is a bit under fire in some
communities this dialogue has very
little to do with the word gnosis and
practically everything
with the word therapy just that in
certain states therapy is a licensed
terminal technology so going back to the
early 1950s hypnosis breaking off as its
own separate and distinct profession so
it's where I tend to just subscribe to
the word hypnotist though if I'm working
with someone one-to-one in terms of a
changing modality of work we can brand
that as hypnotherapy yet again I'm using
the words there's also a small business
element of that that about a hundred
thousand plus people are searching for
hypnotist and less are searching for
hypnotherapy so I yeah so looking at it
again in terms of you know let's unpack
that definition for some of the people
that are new to this because you asked
even a hundred hypnotist what's the
definition of hypnosis you might get a
bunch of different answers it all comes
down to a very simple concept we would
often define it this is credited to the
late great Dave Elmen a practitioner who
lived in the early 1900s who would say
that it's the bypassing of those
critical faculties of the mind which
that's a lot of technical jargon what it
basically means is automatic response in
spite of those things that you're
already aware of so easiest example
driving in a car you're thinking of
everything other than driving in your
car you still end up where you'd like to
go you're watching a movie you know it's
all fiction they're actors dressing up
and pretending and yet we still get
swept up in the story although look at
the personal issues that someone will
reach out to someone like me to want to
address I work a lot with executives in
terms of overcoming a fear of public
speaking and here he is he knows he's
the most qualified person in the room
person a couple months ago his name's on
the side of the building and all the
payroll stubs he's got every right to be
up there speaking yet in his words he's
shaking like he's back in his third
grade math class so despite the
conscious knowledge here's this
automatic response that's playing out
you might be able to see in the corner
of the giant jar of cigarettes that
people were thrown back a couple more
peppered around the space - and here's
that person who consciously knows these
things are killing me and yet they're
buying them by the pack and smoking them
every single day so it's that entry
point to realize in some way you're
already doing hip
Oh sis and I'm someone who helps you to
do it even better geez those powers for
good as it were yeah and whether it's
you know I think a lot of people may
think of you know the spiritual side of
it which I want to get into that I kind
of proto from like numb saying
spirituality but it's something very
practical as well right especially when
you're talking about
I mean I've heard you saying some of
your lecturers are talking about you
know basketball players and people who
just get in the zone and they find that
flow state and they tap in like there's
a place mentally that even you have to
go to enter into that and it's a place
of determination I can do it I know I
can I know I can I think I can or
whatever and telling yourself that when
you show up hey I've already convinced
myself that I'm the man for the job
and everything's gonna go good right
right so where we can look at it in
terms of from my perspective of things
it's not so much about what's wrong with
you and how are we gonna fix that what's
great about you and how do we harness
that how do we put that into use and you
can imagine I mean I spend time talking
to people in business and part of that
mission statement is to realize okay
here's everything I've done in the shape
of my businesses and I'm in a world
where I have sometimes have to convince
people that I'm not gonna hypnotize them
to cluck like a chicken or bark like a
dog
not that I've actually ever met someone
who's done those things so it seemed the
misconception of that is a misconception
on right so if I was able to do these
things with that barrier
let's take other people in business
whether they're in music whether they're
in real estate graphic design whatever
it may be you don't have the barriers
that I've had and it takes some of the
principles and the strategies that I've
put to use over the years to build what
I've built
although think about it for a moment
that oftentimes I'm going into the
corporate world I'm going out there I'm
giving the keynote at a convention or
some sort of gathering for their
business and imagine the walls that
might be up in terms of hypnosis and
this is that foot in the door to have
people realize you know don't let the
word hypnosis scare you the most
successful people I meet they're already
doing this they just perhaps calling it
something else they're doing something
consistent to get in that zone they're
doing something consistent to get in at
peak performance state of mind but the
salesman is going somewhere in his mind
as that phone is ringing so he is a
hundred percent and on the
moment that the na'kal connects I mean
that's a lesson I learned from observing
actors like 15 years ago that it could
be whatever personal story was going on
backstage the moment they stepped
onstage there was the audience and there
were lights they had it so that ability
to go into that place in our mind and
it's where I keep using the branding
around work smart to work with purpose
to work with focus to work with
intention
and to be able to actually turn on that
state management quality by choice
rather than hope it's a good day what is
it about the point of contact with
another person like if that um sense
it's something that people can do on
their own they're already doing it even
in you know I'm saying negativity
they're saying I'm stupid I'm dumb I'll
never be anything you know I'm saying
the speaking of things over their life
and they're changing the way their mind
works or whatever changing the way that
they respond to everything by simply
their belief system this is something
that people can harness on their own but
what is it about the point of contact of
let me seek out someone to help me maybe
kind of hone in on it even if we look
into like you know confessionals in like
the Catholic Church like if I let me
just tell you let me get it off my chest
I know I'm okay with God or whatever but
let me get it off my chest and that
person who almost acts as a conduit to
help you get in that in that zone in and
you know when you have the the jar of
cigarettes behind you you know it's very
similar I've seen people come to church
right
they'll come to church and they'll have
drugs on them and they'll have guns and
all types of things that they leave at
the altar like this is where I'm leaving
it this is the point of contact the
point of reference that I need this
thing to make up my mind whether it's
you know the new year to start a
resolution there's this point of
reference there what is it about that of
having someone to come to to help us
with that you know well it's where you
brought up something beautiful there
which is that there's a terminology we
would use what's called a prestige
suggestion that from a position of
authority someone says something to
somebody else and that message sticks so
perhaps it's the parent perhaps it's the
coach perhaps it's the teacher who
says something negative to that person
but we can also look at prestige
suggestion as an internal thing it also
could be a very positive thing the
moment someone says to you you know
you're really talented at this music you
should make it your life's work and we
hear that and go yes I'm gonna go after
that what you've really helped to
highlight there is that I live by the
phrase that some people would tell you
it takes 30 days to start a new behavior
I would tell you those people might not
be using the best of methods because
make your life changes can happen in an
instant and I want a simple example
you know scan your own internal
experiences and think about if there was
a moment in a previous relationship
where let's phrase it this way new
information was discovered and that
thing was over
that wasn't a sit down and draw out the
pros and cons kind of list just nope I'm
out of here if there's ever been a
change in the way that you think about
the world around you in terms of even
whether it's religion or politics or
major belief systems these are things
that were capable of doing in an instant
yeah
so it's where sometimes that yes let's
call it out easily there sometimes is
that moment where the person reaches
that point of threshold on their own
without having to reach out to someone
else in a slightly indirect way yeah
there's the jars of cigarettes here I
can credit the first smoking cessation
success perhaps to when I was maybe four
or five years old and all I had to say
was I want to go to grandpa's house he
smells bad mhm and that was relayed to
my grandfather and he went from
cigarettes cigars and a pipe every day
to throwing all that stuff out so
there's that moment of we sometimes can
wait for that catalyst for change or as
you brought it up sometimes we can
facilitate that catalyst for change I
mean one of my parts of my backstory is
that I tell it as about six years ago I
had developed a very embarrassing habit
which wasn't necessarily that I was over
eating or drinking or drugs or any
things you would think of being a habit
instead I kept spraining my back
I kept hurting myself by accident
because I was weak and I was clumsy
which was pointed out to me by every
doctor's where I was trying to figure
out what's wrong with my back and
they're doing nothing it's you so and it
came back to a moment of kind of
ignoring that advice for years and at
the time my son is now five and a half
and at that point he was a new boy I'm
carrying him up the stairs and I'm
winded I've got to sit down and catch my
breath and here's that moment of just
enough is enough and I've been now
ritualistically at a gym in the mornings
building up strength ever since then
it's where people would hear the routine
that I do I'm up around 5 in the morning
typically 5 or 6 days a week and they
would go how do you do that and the
answer is just that's what I've been
doing now for like five and a half years
that's just what comes naturally now so
it's where we can look towards that
internal source but sometimes that
inspiration comes from an external
source and I'd say to anybody out there
whether it's someone like me someone
like you or any other position to
recognize that it's actually a position
of strength
to go I need assistance with this I mean
even in terms of business at times
here's a person who knows how to do
things that I don't yet know how to do
and rather than trying to be all
self-righteous and go oh I can figure
this out for myself
sometimes here's that person that I paid
an amount of money to go just coach me
tell me what I need to do to call up
someone I know and say hey point me in
the right direction hey look at this
what do you think that that moment of
making that ask as you eluded to whether
it's the moment of going into the church
reaching out to a friend or whatever
these scenarios are that's actually a
starting position of strength
so harness that moment put that under
use there's no shame in that some of the
things you have listed on your website
here it's just like practical stuff that
we all deal with like any of us can be a
victim of this stuff or be a victor I
guess stopping smoking weight loss
anxiety relief pain relief improving
confidence overcoming fear stress relief
this is stuff that everyone jumps and
deals with dealing with with this stuff
does it work for anything and everything
like if there's this okay I want to do
better in my business how do I retrain
my mind that's going to give me results
does it does it work with everything you
know this is one of my favorite things
to talk about that you could look at you
know let's set the website aside for a
moment let's look at the schedule of
some of the people I've seen the last
month here's a guy who is really
successful in his career yet he has
realized there's a sticking point that
he's not
sort of at all he's kind of that
pushover and people are taking advantage
of them meanwhile here's the
thirteen-year-old baseball player who
was the star athlete who is now afraid
of being hit by the pitch here's the
person coming in to quit smoking and now
here's the person fear of flying and
that's just this week so far and you
could look at all those things into
going is that you really supposed to
believe that it's gonna work for all
these things when we look at personal
change in my opinion is all contextual
it all comes down to four basic
questions how do you feel now how would
you rather feel one of those things
you're doing now what are those things
you'd rather be doing so from those
perspectives it's where I live by the
idea that there only needs to be one
expert in the room so a couple of years
back a professional golfer calls me up
and he's asking me how often do you play
and I give him the honest answer well
I'm the one who when I'm playing
putt-putt with my children I'm the one
asking to we stop keeping score because
they're they're beating me not my skill
so if you need advice on your swing
clearly you're calling the wrong person
but let me ask you this you're standing
over the ball how do you feel anxious
what are you thinking about I'm thinking
about the one that went in the water
about three holes ago and I'm playing
the rest of the game trying to catch up
how would you rather be thinking how
would you rather be feeling and he feeds
me that response he is now writing the
process of now taking the you know
50,000 hours of training and experience
and all that I've been through all these
years along with listening and
calibrating to him and it's about custom
designing that experience for that
gentleman in that moment so this is
story years ago I mentioned gymnast
years ago a gymnastics coach read an
article about me and just started
sending a ton of people and you try not
to play the game that's always the same
thing yet hey I'm a gymnast okay so
you're afraid of flipping backwards in
the high beam yeah how'd you know cuz
it's always the same thing
and sometimes there's an event there was
a reason why the mirror was installed
it's where I do a ton of work with
people for public speaking specifically
that person either trying to break out
as the entrepreneur or that person who
is trying to climb that corporate ladder
and I eventually found the pattern of
the saying
look before we start chatting here on
the phone let me just lay something out
there are you business owner or employee
as soon as they say employee I go okay
good so you're looking around you're
realizing there's people you're more
qualified than that are excelling within
your profession at your business and
you're thinking why not me and part of
that is that you're terrified to stand
out and speak then they go yeah how'd
you know which you do something enough
you start to notice some trends
everything is always customized but
again looking at it from that point of
view of going what's the feeling how do
you want to change it one of the
activities how do you want to change it
and it's from their expertise they know
their situation they know what they want
to achieve and I'm the one who can help
to put the right words the right
techniques in the right order and really
it takes on the respect in our modern
era that it's not necessarily in to poke
fun of it not that I'm the almighty
hypnotist and I I'm gonna make you do
these things that's instead let me step
into that educator mindset of here's how
strongly you can do this for yourself to
build a business now that's based upon
raving fans rather than lifelong
dependence that my goal is to look at
you as a client and say professionally
speaking I hope to never see you again
which is where again from a very which
is why I've got so many referrals as
part of the business but at the same
time it's where in recent years
capturing that same knowledge whether
it's a digital project online whether
it's the book that's coming out very
soon whether it's standing on a platform
and delivering that message to many it's
always down to one of those things that
you want to change that's always going
to be the catalyst for that and I tell a
quick story here I think we've got some
time for this nurse all right that
there's a wonderful hypnotist who passed
away a couple of years actually I
believe last year his name is Jerry high
he was out of Florida and I can
appreciate the intention behind this he
would tell his students you know when
someone calls you up for something tell
them oh yeah we work with that all the
time that's easy which is a great thing
to do for somebody it's building
confidence building authority I was
cautious about that because I didn't
want to lie to somebody yeah and
suddenly the phone rings and this woman
is doing the slow reveal you know she's
not directly saying what her issue was
and as I replay some of her chatter
you'll your imagination
mine was going she's like well my
husband and I were kind of traditional
and you know we didn't live together
until we got married and there's some
things about him I've I've come to
realize that I think we should work on
and now I'm Jack ting going well but
something he needs to address have
called me just no no I think it's
something that I should work on first
you know and we're very traditional
again and she's telling my mind is going
to other things and I finally go well
what seems to be the issue she goes well
his jaw clicks when he eats and he won't
go to the dentist to get that fixed and
the sound is driving me crazy
could you hypnotize me so his clicking
jaw doesn't bother me and I catch myself
slipping and saying oh yeah I work with
that all the time that's easy to it she
of course goes really I go no of course
not
however here's the person with tinnitus
tinnitus the ringing in the ears and
here's what we can do to alleviate those
symptoms we're in the why I'm in the
Washington DC area here's the person who
is now being driven crazy by the sound
of street noise and planes overhead and
here's how we can tune down the
sensitivity of those sounds the same
things I would do with those people
that's what you and I can do together
makes sense so I'm building the case for
the effectiveness of it but also just at
times just throw out the transparency as
to here's what we're gonna do together
then you're gonna learn how to do this
for yourself which you know sometimes it
is the quote bread-and-butter of people
coming in anxiety relief I do a ton of
work again public speaking issues stop
smoking and so forth yeah it's where the
creativity of the process the creativity
the confidence the flexibility of it
comes in just by opening up that
calibration listening to the person in
front of you this is the same principle
for business what is that person
specific needs and if we're a fit for
that feed those needs back through the
parameters of what we do and if we're
not a match for that thank you so much
perhaps here's a resource that may be a
better fit that's also man there's a lot
of different points that you made that I
want to respond to one of them being the
confidence thing I remember and it's
been something that's been you know I'm
saying been coming up a lot lately of
you know I'm researching hypnotherapy
and then listening to your you
TEDx talk the other day you talked about
like a lot of the success rate comes
from just them believing that you can do
it maybe even if you can't maybe if
you're taking a shot in the dark but
that's shot in the dark as a confident
shot in the dark and they believe that
you know what you're talking about in a
success rate for people just simply okay
I've come to the right guy they're going
to help me even if you don't know but
you you know you're assertive you you
speak with authority and hey we're gonna
help you knock this out we've dealt with
it before maybe your first time we've
dealt with it before it's gonna be easy
so that confidence thing that's a big
one right I know you talked about you
know I'm saying a lot about that in the
TED talk as well important right yeah
I'd give a filter for that and for those
who haven't seen that talk if you simply
go to rethinking report com that will
redirect over to YouTube there's one of
my good friends and someone who I
considered a mentor as well who Michael
alder passed away actually earlier at
last year and he would often teach and
he's thinking that hope is realistic and
I love that as a mindset of someone's
initial foot and the door of realizing
that they can create that change my my
kind of internal dialogue and the
confidence is not a it's not a fake it
til you make it it's instead having the
confidence that as soon as I step into
the belief system and understanding that
if you're my client if you're my
audience you can do this I am now
projecting that confidence not so much
that I am the one who was so gifted in
town that I can help you it's bringing
that confidence into yourself a friend
of mine we taught a class together in
September last year's down in Austin
Texas James Hazelrigg
I think it was him in a facebook chat
one time there was someone like business
networking or something they were going
well I don't know if I believe in that
stuff and his response was beautiful he
goes it's okay I believe in you good oh
so good I'm gonna whenever we bring that
one up
no but it's that it's that shared
conference I think is the point of view
it's where when you look at any specific
change anything we'd want to address in
our lives confidence is gonna play a
game inside of that whether it's the
confidence that either we deserve to
pull it off or we actually have the
skills to
created to make it happen or sometimes
even the education is possible in order
to make that happen I mean I've got a
book coming out in about two weeks at
this point and it's the period about
this time last year I'm going okay
here's all these ideas that have been
floating around and I want to do this
yet I've never done this thing before so
I need to take some steps to learn what
it takes to actually produce the book
but also get it to the visibility that I
want this message to have and back to
that dialog from before that it's that
position of strength to go I need to
find a resource for this so then from
that position of passion from that
initial spark the confidence that yes I
know I can do this yet let me borrow
some of that confidence from reading
this book on how to write hiring this
service that can now take care of the
editing reaching out to these people and
say hey I wrote about this would you
write a blurb from the back of the book
cover yeah you know but having at least
a set of skills to get there and has to
begin with that confidence which I think
sometimes the most empowering word is
the word yet there's the simple
three-letter word yet that people often
would get stuck by saying I can't do
this well I don't know if I can start a
business I don't know if I can lose this
weight I don't know if I can fix this
relationship if you take all of those
negative statements and put the word yet
at the end of it it opens up a loop and
it opens up that ability to go this is
now something in process this is now
something I can get better at you know
to begin that snowball sort of correct
trajectory of improving each and every
year it's good stuff man when we're
talking about these you said that you
want when you have clients you approach
it with I hope I never have to see you
again we're gonna knock it out there's a
sense of confidence there in
hypnotherapy in a lot of online
entrepreneurs there's this thing about
repeat customers right and this is
something that I'm just not getting into
a little bit it's kind of a hill for me
and people don't want my advice and I
really don't know what to tell them cuz
it's kind of new for me
repeat customers I'm with you at least
in in this sense because I've tried to
knock it out with with one session like
I've come I come from the Christian
faith healer thing let's pray for you
believe it receive it run with it go and
hopefully never have to see you again
obviously some things kind of go a lot
deeper and you have to help people walk
it out and so there may be some repeat
customers or repeat clients there how do
you approach that moving forward do is
is there a lot of repeat clients or is
there a lot of one-and-done people who
come to you yeah I mean there's a couple
of moving pieces inside of that question
and there's a model that I'd teach to
anybody who is in any sort of let's just
generalize any kind of helping
profession that there's a danger
sometimes in the one-and-done
expectation that some things are going
to be a process so when I talk about the
stop smoking that is it my nickname for
it now is it's a bit of a two and a half
hour adventure yet there's an option for
additional work if necessary inside of
that program nearly everything else and
this is the language to model for other
folks which would be and this is gonna
work for I mean this is gonna work for
massage this is going to work for
counseling this is going to work for you
know systems that work for nutritional
counseling business coaching everything
if you make one adjustment and not just
because it's going to increase your cash
flow but instead because it's gonna
serve your person even better here's the
language so we start with the plan of
three sessions and if that's all we need
fantastic and of course if there's value
in additional work there's always an
option my goal is to give you the most
effective process in the most efficient
use of your time so and that number that
you define can be something that you
test over time and you know your own
work better than I would I'd say that
anybody this audience to the beauty of
that is I did not make any big promises
there now I have many people that I've
seen just those three times and we're
all satisfied by it and now they're out
there talking about their result they're
sending referrals I've got a large
referral base in terms of past clients
and that's what's allowing that
continuous stream the other side of it
too is that here's that person who it's
a little bit more of a journey or the
whole car
of what we call generative change that
now that I've done this that's now
enabling me to do that now enabling me
to do this and two quick stories come to
mind that there's a guy executive who
called up originally for public speaking
and the issue was he goes there's a
number of positions at work that I'd
love to get the promotion for yet until
I become more visible with my speaking
and taking more leadership roles I'm
just not gonna get those so we work
together on the speaking couple of
sessions and the phone rings like three
years later and I recognize the guy's
name and I take the call and hey how's
it going and I can tell he's smiling as
he says this he goes I've got a brand
new problem I'm now having to manage a
team of people who don't get along I got
the promotion we were talking about now
this promotion is worth like an extra 60
grand a year so thank you for that
however I'm now having to manage a very
unruly team of people who he goes I've
got teenage sons that I don't even have
to tell them look you don't have to like
each other you just have to work
together because I have to say that at
work he goes this is a big enough hassle
and the pay raise is big enough that I'm
okay with this you guys but I'm taking
the stress home can you help me with
that element but I have to thank you I
wouldn't have this problem
if I had not have released the other
problem so it's a place where through
the what's called out the evolution of
that personal journey in a different
issue the same as here's of what this is
an old story now
woman who I saw this state's back like
2010 2011 and I love this as a mindset
of work on the solution not the problem
she saw me to quit smoking because she
quit smoking she started talking to this
guy at like a dog park and then the two
of them started dating the two of them
talked about how unhappy they were in
their government jobs here we are in the
shutdown perfect timing for that was
another one
I'm here's this moment now where they're
going he goes I'm a runner I've always
wanted to open a running store and she's
now going I've always wanted to get back
into running I did that in high school
and now the two of them all these years
later they're married they've got kids
they are running this entire amazing
community out in another state nowadays
and you look at this journey of here's
where she is now there's where she
started this I
density is now so far disconnected from
the idea of what if I slip back and have
one you know so this place is where it
may be more of that ongoing journey but
that language once again we start with
the plan of this many appointments if
that's all we need fantastic if there's
value and more of course that's an
option these are two examples of people
I think I saw more than 10 times and it
wasn't that we were doing the same thing
over and over
maybe it'll stick this time no it was
instead that now we're continuing that
story and even so if all we're doing is
reinforcing the change they've already
created let's stick this in a health
coaching category well great now that
you're eating those healthy foods what
strategies have you found to be
effective in doing that oh I'm ill
prepping I'm doing this I'm doing that
okay well now that you have that in
motion
let's now and add in these elements so
again the continuation of the story so
it's where it's a bit of a benefit it's
a service to the person to add a little
bit more work not for the sake of you
want to be paid more but instead to
provide a more much more well-rounded
service teach them some skills so they
can do it on their own that's good man
it's creating new problems you've
created new problems for me but they're
good problems right they're good because
we've got over the you don'ts and the
you know the stuff that started out big
and I'm kind of learning that too now
you know because I have someone who just
recently came on and purchased a couple
sessions from me and so the first
session was like unloading in getting a
game plan to move forward that if we was
through just to jump into it oh it
wouldn't be as effective of just okay
let's run through the motions we got one
session we got an hour let's knock it
out versus like okay I know I now have a
game plan that I know what we're gonna
do in these three sessions or whatever
the case is that's good stuff where does
the placebo come into effect with all
this it can be powerful a lot of people
look at a negative like it's something
that doesn't work but I believe that
there's some power and just simply
believing whether it's it kind of ties
into the whole confidence thing but work
or someone knowing that all I have to do
is come to you and I'm gonna be good
whether they believe it coming in for me
it's a it's an aspect
like if someone paid you their
hard-earned money for a service it's
usually they're ready man like they're
ready to get rid of that smoking habit
they're looking for help they're
desperate they've paid they're actually
paying you for a service that act of
faith if you will helps the process go a
lot faster versus trying to convince
someone hey you don't need to smoke
anymore
let me tell you why and just kind of
like trying to convince them out of it
they're already looking for help so that
helps a lot but what is the placebo
tie-in to everything and let's look at
that concept from a bigger perspective
first then we're going to get a specific
personal change which is that our mental
expectations are going to be an
influence on everything that we possibly
do and here's a simple example we had a
couple of sort of handyman style
projects to get done in our home just
little elements like here's that light
switch that's not working can you repair
that here's this I'm only five foot four
here's this attic access that my wife
and I can't reach can you switch out the
door so now we can actually pull it down
ourselves and the contractor that we
hired is some I've known this guy for
ten years and the entire way through the
project I am just looking at all the
details of things and going wow he's
really good at this meanwhile my wife
and this is no negativity on her part he
is entirely new to her and she's looking
at it from a slightly more critical
direction of going well they did touch
up the paint around that light but it's
not actually the color paint of our
ceiling it's off a little bit let's find
the paint in the basement and just touch
that up ourselves that's gonna be an
easier thing meanwhile I'm in the
process of moving my office and there's
this is the wonders of hypnotic language
and reframing what the engineer
described as well there's a bit of a
water activity and plus Samardzija there
is water if there was a water event an
organic activity I'm going don't dress
it up the ceiling was leaking and you
found mold this has all been remediated
very quickly but it's what's prompting
the move and as I've been rather
critical about this crew of people at
four months later still can't fix the
issue which is why I'm moving you know
it's where I'm being a little bit more
cynical about the work and I can
recognize that I've been doing that but
at the same time
now is on the next phase of things so my
illustration of that is that there's
always going to be some sort of mental
expectation to something you know let's
bring it bring it even into the concept
of compliance you know you have a
personal doctor and you go to them based
on the fact that you're sick with
something and they say here take this
series of pills and maybe it's something
like an antibiotic whatever it may be
you need to continue with all five days
of us even if you feel better complete
the entire medication the more likely
you have a good relationship for the
doctor the more likely you're going to
follow through with that and if for some
reason the experience didn't go well
they made you sit in the lobby for an
hour and a half they forgot about your
appointment they said they'd call the
prescription in and you get to the
pharmacy and find out or they forgot to
it's not there yet now you better stand
there for an hour and wait some of our
mental expectancy is starting to chip
away so I bring up these other examples
because this is a filter upon everything
so it's where the same filters can be
applied to the work that I do it's a
different category sometimes if you
found me organically on your own and you
know let's look at the training example
I do trainings here I do trainings
online I do them around the world if
you're coming in and just found me
online and it's the first entry point
and just the dates are convenient the
price seems right and you've the
location is good versus you know Tracy
and you know that Tracy's business is
where it is right now because what Tracy
learned from me and she's your friend
and I'm laughing at this example because
two years ago I taught a class in Vegas
and there were five people in the class
named Tracy the joke was if you don't
know her name just call her Tracy they
were all set for Michaels so the odds
were good I'm actually generally
referring to four of the same people
named Tracy here
if you know Tracy and here's what Tracy
did as a result from Jason's training
you're going into that you're gonna be
listening more intent you're gonna
produce a different experience from the
same information so here's where I take
it instead if this is going to be a
factor no matter what there's a there's
a principle that I've been playing with
I don't know if I like this terminology
but it's been working for me for two
years is that we can go
SIBO on techniques that actually work
what I mean by that is there's a
movement in personal health whether it's
I mean the fitness world has this all
over and in hypnosis we've been talking
this dialogue for years that of
evidence-based techniques so not just
because I like using this technique and
it's fun to do no instead well here's
all the scores of research around
mindfulness based meditation and let's
now model that work and bring that
indoor hypnotic process evidence-based
foundation but at the same time if
there's things that I can do to frame
the process even better so again taking
a technique that actually works so
starting with something that's already
been tested and proven and now putting
the appropriate filters on top of it to
make it even more effective so it's
where some people would run from that
word in a negative way really embrace
that this is a part of everything you
know you like your car and you're gonna
find wonderful features about your car
you buy something you're gonna keep
qualifying for yourself how much you
like it I mean before we jumped on here
I was talking about go slightly high
tech microphones here Wireless near bud
ear and the days that these Apple
earpods work on a raving fan and the
days that have to keep syncing it over
and over and over and over and over and
it's not connecting you know the device
could work later that day but I'm still
kind of frustrated with it so if it's
gonna be a filter what are there things
we can do to the framing around
something to build it up even more
effective I mean it's where I give a
simple example of this I worked a ton
with people for stop smoking over the
years and there's a period of time where
I was doing that in a multiple meeting
format and all I did this was not a
fabricated statement this was just that
moment of tracking oh here's what's
happening and I wonder if I say that to
people ahead of the process will that be
more helpful for them and it wasn't in
terms of increasing my efficacy there
was just one of those just so you know
this is something to be aware of type
statements so in that stop smoking
category I used to say to people now
just so you know we meet over a series
of three appointments and the
overwhelming majority of people stopped
as early as that first appointment they
physically stopped there may be some
mental cleanup we do in the subsequent
appointments now some people a smaller
cut back dramatically now which is still
exceptionally good then we knock out the
rest of the behavior and the remaining
appointments so again the majority stop
today and we clean up anything else in
the next varmints though a few may just
cut back dramatically which is so good
and then we just take care of the rest
from there so I just give you that as a
framework at a time as soon as I started
highlighting the result that was already
the case this group widened from the
mental expectancy that these are the two
categories which indirectly yes there
sometimes that person that let's just
call it out in the from the way
something happens from meeting one to
something two and they maybe stop for a
bit and then they backslide I've got
different ways of working with that now
but again just by just by framing here's
what the typical resume results were
which the disclaimer to that is I was
only saying that because that was the
result so it's where sometimes we can
analyze what results are beginning with
people what findings are people having
and how do we preframe that in such a
way that we are now stacking that result
to do a much outcome the same as imagine
I mean here's a moment years ago I went
through a brief allergy thing and doctor
number one goes yeah you didn't respond
to those other meds here's a new one
there's not as much research around this
one and you're sure it's not gonna cover
it I don't know try it out see how it
goes
and I didn't take it the next doctor I
went to just lost all faith in that one
the next doctor goes now this is a newer
medication and I should tell you that
there's only a little bit of research
around this just got cleared recently
however you didn't respond to this
medication or that one this is made by
the company that produces both of those
they removed this feature of that
medication and they're brought in this
feature of that one and make sure you
take it the whole way through because it
has to be in your system for like seven
days to start to notice some of the
benefits from that and once you've done
that for three weeks and let's just
connect by phone and go from there I
took the medication exactly as
prescribed and whether this is a moment
of brilliance or a moment of let's call
it stupidity on my side only later on
realizing it was the same medication one
had built the entire mental expectancy
as to why this one was going to be a fit
for me and the other one didn't end
pher I didn't take it the first time
through so again if it's gonna be a
factor of all that we do let's harness
it let's put it to use in a way that now
benefits that individual I think that
even you know we have we approach a lot
of this stuff from like spirituality and
some of the them saying woo woo stuff
maybe that even works with like let me
put these crystals let me set my glass
of water on top of this crystal where
it's going to change the way you know
the the the whole structure of the
molecules of the water it's gonna affect
me differently when I when I change it
when I drink it I don't know if it does
that or not maybe it does who knows but
the person believing that they're
drinking this charged water when they
drank it is gonna it's gonna it's gonna
taste different it's gonna feel
different to them you know maybe the
same thing whenever you know in the
church as well where you say the
blessing over your meal and you receive
it with Thanksgiving or something if
there's any impurities in it to kind of
bless it and make it good and receive it
so in your mind the relationship to that
object to that water changes it like you
know we just available if it really
changes it by the using that crystal I
don't know you know but um that's the
placebo cuz you believe that it works
when you drink it you live your life
like hey I just drunk this charged water
and I'm feeling great even if it's the
same water right is that kind of how the
play here's the work this has some
applications for for business as well as
let's put it under the category of
ethical influence there's a technique
that if I'm working with that executive
for public speaking issues on one set of
things let's take down the problem on
the other side let's also build up the
confidence and and if you had a few
strategies to become more effective at
speaking speaking as a skill so if we
take down the fear but also now boost
your confidence because now you've got
some strategies and techniques I mean
I'd give it a simple example that I'm
sometimes let's call it as modeling or
borrowing confidence which would be that
I do a ton of video work in terms of my
business and of all random sources to
come from the I believe Scottish
comedian
Craig Ferguson we used to have the Late
Show before James quarter with the
skeleton
yeah there was a style of how he would
do the opening monologue that was
different from all the other shows you
know dating back to Johnny Carson Jay
Leno nowadays Jimmy Fallon Stephen
Colbert they're playing to the audience
and and Craig Ferguson the times that I
watched him was the first one I saw that
the camera was up in an angle and he was
speaking directly to that camera with
the camera at an angle kind of tilted
down he can move back he can move
forward and still stay in a level plane
and the audience was secondary he was
talking to the audience at home and I
went and maybe this is a benefit of
being shorter in otherwise the camera
was aimed up it's like that's a cool
angle and just that kind of talking to
the cameras if it's one person right
just having a conversation with some was
borrowing and modeling that confidence
from that to look as well at looks the
other one if I'm doing some sort of
sales presentation you know to look at
how Steve Jobs would make that
transition from here's the product now
here's why you need it it was typically
triggered by but one more thing you know
they're on the phone and suddenly it's
video chat and it's the Jetsons time all
over and here is he's showing the
computer and oh one more thing he's
browsing the web he picks it up they
didn't invent wireless internet but they
were the ones who got to premiere it
yeah so that excitement that he had that
was a genuine excitement to share this
cool new gadget that you all get to have
in your home now I bring that up here
because this this mindset of expectation
this mindset of other things coming in
so there's a technique that we call
anchoring and anchoring is when you
connect a sensory experience to another
sensory experience and this is something
we do want to run all the time you hear
a song on the radio and the song
triggers some sort of memory you walk
into a room and you smell something it's
gonna trigger some other awareness of
something so this concept called spatial
anchoring and the premise of that would
be that if I was on a platform and let's
say I was trying to do a sales
presentation and I'm gonna move around
here for those just listening to this
all narrated as well if I stood on the
right side of the platform as I talked
about the problems this company has been
facing and then I moved to the left side
of the platform and I'm now talking
about the solutions they
and put in motion and then perhaps and
there's giant air quotations as I talk
about this and you'll see why in a
moment if I now move to the right side
and I now talk about from the problem
place the other options the competition
that's out there other vendors you can
work with but now I move back to the
solution area and introduce my product
the question is as if I've now
electrically charged one area of the
platform with negativity in one area
with positivity the question is by doing
that if I now just simply deliver my
sales message from this positive space
will that get the result and the best
answer you can give to that is maybe
however what also is going on inside of
that dialog think about the fact that
many people on stage would paced back
and forth because they don't know what
else to do
I flashed to the race card movie with
Will Ferrell Talladega Nights
the opening scene he's being interviewed
on camera and the characters not knowing
where to put his arms he goes I don't
know where to put my hands yeah just put
them by your sides like this just he
doesn't know how to be natural on camera
that's the joke of it people are pacing
on stage because they're not comfortable
just grounding and just delivering the
message so perhaps by having a technique
that's now dictating when I move it's
now indirectly am i hypnotizing the
audience to buy into my message or am i
hypnotizing myself to believe I'm being
more influential and again the answer is
well a little bit of both
so it's where there's a lot of moving
pieces to anything that's out there it's
where I mean my my sort of belief system
is that it's my job to be the chameleon
it's my job to follow the belief system
of the person that I'm working with to
follow what their models of faith are to
follow what their models of thinking are
it's where I mean I have one day a quick
story of this I had one day years ago
that was the perfect illustration that
the first person is quitting smoking
because as she wrote on their forms my
body is God's temple and if I don't stop
smoking
I'm not gonna be welcomed in heaven
someone else later the day telling me if
I bring up religion one
he's walking out of there yeah trying to
quit drinking and I went to an AAA
meeting and that's all they tried to
cram down my throat yeah which side note
if you find someone who likes their
alcoholic sonatas yes I Crocs nos
meaning they won't tell you which one it
is because it's anonymous if they've
been to one that they didn't like they
will tell you right away sadly there's
more negative hotel and restaurant
reviews online that I know because I had
heard a tip that someone goes this is a
group that's a little bit more let's say
non-religious in their message which is
what that organization really is anyway
he found this group and he took a Vig he
delayed one of his appointments he took
a vacate they were going on a ski trip
together
he goes hey gonna take a vacation away
from my problems and because he found
that support system you know that's I
think a big part of his success ya know
it's looking at it again as to what's
there and I think in some way we're all
having the same dialogue we're just
labeling it
man and that's I got so many questions
off of all this stuff man but that
really you know I seen that in the
church realm right of coming out of the
Christian Church you know and there
would be times when it was time for
election and they would let the mayor's
come in or they were that so-and-so for
this organization come in and speak and
their dialogue would change to be more
religious and god-fearing and and even
they wouldn't even know Christianese if
you will maybe nothing that Donald Trump
playing to the the right he was on the
left nice playing to the right and he's
like new to the Christianese and he
doesn't even know you know the Bible or
whatever and it's just so interesting to
see but how effective it was he's one of
us and really I don't think he is but he
you know he's one of us in everybody
embracing him because of the terminology
you go to this side say what they want I
mean we can look at Hillary the same way
she's for this she's against that and
then cross tying the words depending
playing to the crowd preaching to the
choir to immediately feel like to kind
of win the hearts of the crowd whoever
it is you have to change right there's a
game that pops up if you track anything
either it whether it's noticeable
or the conversational side of it
neuro-linguistic programming in any
election cycle there's always the game
of this yes politicians using that
technique that's ones using that
technique all of this is based off of
effective communication and it's where
you know there were they doing hypnosis
well you can look at any effective
communication and say there was
something hypnotic in terms of the
language patterns in terms of the I mean
when I use the word influence it's a
playful use of the word because here's
the guy who came into the office years
ago and he goes you're just gonna
persuade me and I go yeah I'm gonna
persuade you to feel confident with
situations you've already decided you
want to feel confident but you don't yet
yeah makes sense he doesn't know oh yeah
that does make sense so it's where we
can look at any of these things and say
here's traces of it here's elements of
it I tend to be good again when I bring
in faith to it I swear I have to often
remind me for myself oh yeah that's
right I grew up in a family where half
of them were Southern Baptist the other
half of them were Jews from Russia
Poland that's a that's an interesting
mix it's easier to follow yours at times
as well but I my personal thing is I
come back to intent you know what is
that thing that you want to make happen
one of those steps that you're gonna set
in motion if we want to bring law of
attraction into it just look at the last
five letters of the word attraction its
action so what are you gonna do to set
that in motion what steps are you gonna
take to create that result that you've
been thinking about you've been talking
about and now you're the one who's gonna
set it in motion
let me go kind of dark here a little bit
yeah you sit you we've talked about
saying being hypnotized and and people
do it knowingly and unknowingly we're
getting ourself in a zone shaping our
beliefs whether it's faith that's been
handed down from our family you're
supposed to believe this and keep
repetition reduces resistance and I'm in
fact hypnotizing you through
conversation right we can hypnotize
ourselves by speaking things over and
over hearing things over and over
whatever the case is which again is a
place where we can draw a line in terms
of things that are hip notic in nature
versus the formal process of hypnosis
the media you know I'm saying propaganda
smoking was a big one like who had
the best cigarettes now I mean you're
helping people quit smoking now when
propaganda was used by the doctor
doctors choose Marlboro or whatever back
in the day the doctor would tell it
which would advertise the health care as
you know what I'm saying so even if it's
used in a negative way like so there's
all of this maybe someone mentioned is
it similar to MKULTRA we'll just get
into programming of literally television
programming by the things that we're
watching the things that were
entertaining and entertaining being
programmed to by without even knowing it
right so that's that's happening to
right we're being programmed through the
things we're watching without knowing
that hey we're going into a hypnotic
trance
maybe you're falling asleep in the
televisions on you know and that stuff's
getting placed in your subconscious or
whatever how does that work because I
wanted to kind of touch on that but this
is kind of tying in two questions
together how does that work from us just
talking about it and I believe in being
intentional with conversation like you
saying encouraging people yeah you can
do it I can see you doing that you'd be
a great public speaker yeah and just
conversation versus going into whether
it's trance State through you know I'm
saying hypnotherapy hypnosis or whatever
in implanting those thoughts they're
like how does all of that kind of come
into play which for some odd reason I
have to answer you first by telling a
story that involves the singer Katy
Perry which is the hatch back this is
years this many years ago when I was in
the theatre career at the time we a
group of us got together one night it
was in Baltimore and the whole thing was
that here's a bar that was doing karaoke
let's all go and some of them were
actors and singers so was the whole gag
of their gonna get up and be really good
at this but then the fun of it became
let's also now play karaoke Russian
roulette which is we don't get to pick
our own songs I get to pick the song for
you and you don't know what it is until
you're up there and there's this one guy
big muscular I mean leading man style
guy that he gets I kissed a girl by Katy
Perry and as he put it I was angry that
I had to do the song and I was even more
great that I knew all the words so I
bring that up because again I'm gonna
look towards thing as being what's the
solution how can we unpack this and use
it to our advantage so it's the fact
that there are advertising campaigns
that are locked in your brain and they
put them there
why because again what the word you used
a little while ago repetition so we hear
it over and over and over so you know
you know the makeup commercial comes on
maybe she's born with it you now know
immediately which company it is you hear
I'm loving it and immediately you
connect to the food from the restaurant
even though you might not even shop
there you see that my headphones are
white and you immediately know because
they looked around years ago and when
everyone else has headphones black let's
make our white across the room I knew
you were in my little made-up community
yeah so if this is the thing that's
happening let's model that for ourselves
yet my horrible singing so no one told
you life was gonna be this way yeah
there are friends so there are things
that are there in your mind because
against we're repetition we've heard
them over and over and I always come
back to that karaoke moment he goes I
was angry I had to do the song and even
more angry that I knew all the words
yeah so because it had been playing
non-stop that previous summer it was the
big hit song at the time and everyone
knew it at the time and he didn't know
he knew all the words yeah so it's where
as I'm speaking at times is one of these
strategies of calling it just that
conscious programming what's that
message that you want to be using and
it's where we can get high-tech with
this we can get low-tech with this the
wonders of having our tho devices in our
pockets nowadays turn on that voice
recorder memo and it's taking that
affirmation to a next level where that
positive hypnotic statement whatever it
is and here's the simplest formula for a
hypnotic suggestion it's an action
followed by a result so if I simply
tried to affirm the statement I've saved
enough money for my college education
for my kids you know if this was a few
years ago to be saying that in the
affirmative that wouldn't have been
alive because we hadn't yet opened the
account for our son that it for our
daughter but he had just been born so to
look yourself in the mirror and smile
and say I've saved enough money for my
children's college education I would
have been lying to myself I've been
putting up a wall to that but let's put
an action to that as I regularly set
aside money in an automated way I'm
enjoying the feeling of growing my
children's college education and to take
a phrase such as that maybe tighten it
up a little bit
hop onto the voice recorder memo on your
phone record yourself say it a few times
over and think about the amount of time
we spend in our life where we're just
taking care of things around the house
we're driving somewhere quick and rather
than have the next pop song stuck in
your head
begin to fill the mind with that
positive message is that so we can sit
here and say how dare those people do
those things without us knowing good or
what we do know is we can also look at
it and go how do I use this to my
advantage how do I use that to better
myself how do I use that to connect with
people in a much deeper level so it's
again I'm always gonna be looking for
that more positive twist on something to
go
let me now use this skill because if
this is the nature of how we work let's
say it politely they would not be doing
those things if they didn't know that it
worked so it's where you see eat fresh
you know what restaurant that is they
pack it down in such a small little
positioning statement that just locks
into your brain let's do that with those
changes we want to create in our lives
again these use these abilities for your
own good
yeah that's the thing because when it
comes to those words you know
programming media logos and you're like
remembering all this stuff that really
you don't want to but you do you don't
know why you don't know why you
eventually you pass by a store and you
want to buy that or that item stands out
to you from the colors or the branding
or the packaging and you buy it and say
that you don't say impulsive buying you
buy you're like why did I just now that
I own it I don't really want it type
deal right use it to your advantage so
here's what I'm typically speaking one
of my frameworks for presentation as I'm
teaching strategies to actually turn
goals into actions one of the techniques
of self-hypnosis I demo that with people
from the group
so in that environment that's typically
a place where you know there's a rough
outline of my presentation I've done the
elements of that going on about 1718
years at this point so I know the ins
and outs of how to do it where it
becomes a little bit different is that
I'm customizing - if it's a corporate
group it's an organization I'm
customizing to the people in front of me
and back to what you referenced earlier
I did a TED talk back at TEDx talk back
in April and that was the first time I
think ever since college
that it became I need to memorize a
person a presentation verbatim because
it was the whole you've got you've got
anywhere between 10 and 12 minutes for
the time chunk you're gonna be in and
when I heard that I went every word is
gonna be precise every transition it's
gonna be tight and it became a place
where that was like the most scripted
thing I had done in years and how did I
do it I used the same setup that I've
got right here I recorded myself saying
the presentation and that was the only
thing I listened to on my phone for like
two months I'm driving to the office I'm
was that my wife described at one point
we were in our kids a concern now five
and seven this was earlier this year I
was walking around at their soccer games
that perfect timing
our daughter soccer game was here son's
game was over there and I'm the one kind
of walking around muttering to myself
repeating the same words over and over
so without the game of sitting there and
trying to by rote repeat the words over
and over hoping they stick trusting that
unconscious ability that you know I'm
gonna be hearing it I'm gonna be
absorbing it and I'm gonna know it in
and out also back to the theater world
you know actors don't learn lines
anymore by sitting down and just
repeating them over and over they attach
meaning to the words they sit around
tables and the rehearsal and do what's
called table work and once the meaning
is there the words are understood so
later in the rehearsals maybe here's an
actor who keeps forgetting a specific
line at that point the books are out of
their hands they could be prompted by
the management they say line the
assistant yells out the line but if the
actor is consistently forgetting the
same line it's not that they weren't
doing their homework so often it was
that they didn't know what the character
was trying to say in that moment and as
soon as the meaning was there
soon as the meaning was understood then
the memorization was taken care of
so again if we're gonna be influenced by
these things around us let's start - if
we just ate let's call it as I said bull
that's a mechanism of the mind let's now
use that towards our own strength yep
branding logos SEO all of that kind of
stuff kind of plays into that as well um
indirectly under hypnosis training side
of things the story behind this was the
book I've got coming out is work smart
business but the training side of
hypnosis is work smart gnosis this odd
cast for that project - it was because I
shot a project back in 2012 and the game
was I was shooting three days of video
and I didn't know what order the video
was going to be released it was supposed
to be a linear course but I was kind of
shooting out of order so the thought was
I was gonna wear the same thing every
day that way we can you know edit it
together
blue shirt purple tie and my website
designer then told the color of purple
from my tie made that the color scheme
of the website and now I kind of owned
the color purple in the hypnotic
profession someone nicknamed it fifty
shades of purple where people were at
another convention years ago and they
had a purple tablecloth and they
actually got asked is Jason okay with
that which was entirely by accident that
I claimed it as my own I'm not quite
using that and other projects nowadays
but again it's that anchoring thing we
talked about earlier we're constantly
drawing associations we're constantly
creating actions and rather than
consider ourselves the victim of that
circumstance let's go instead here is an
ability that people have let me now use
this to better myself
yep using it for your advantage men and
you know some people are even
intentional about that like the
different emotions that a certain color
I mean I'm using a lot of purple as well
different emotions and they make you
feel a certain type of way some people
always I've heard speakers always use a
blue shirt like they wear a blue shirt
every time it because people associate
it with something and then the the
spiritual meaning of the color or
whatever the case is but they have those
reasons that they do it just like if you
was to use maybe orange and black
everybody would immediately think
Halloween or red and green they think
Christmas or whatever the case so we
associate stuff even unknowingly so you
would
deem your website everything in the same
color whatever like that so that's
that's interesting let me ask you about
this though and this may be a weird
question but it's a question have you
ever had anybody approached you for a
session that's something that was just
off limit so whatever it was just weird
negative it may be detrimental to them
if I was to give an example how can I be
a better drug dealer how can I do
something that you're like no that's
off-limits I don't I don't do that how
can I be a womanizer I don't know what
it is but have there anybody come to you
just like now I'm not I'm not the person
you're looking for have you ever dealt
this is right you know it's we're in a
training environment sometimes there'd
be the question of what about this what
about that and I always tell them at a
time it's like well I have to be able to
play the game that I'm allowed to say
I've actually never had that specific
request though if I did here's what I
would do though there's some there's
some traces of this over the years you
know the easiest example you can think
of let's use a simple one as may be male
or female they're calling up for weight
loss and then come to find out they're
rail-thin and clearly there's something
else going on I'm actually I'm even I'm
surprised I've never had that specific
phone call but if that was the case hey
I live by the the safety statement that
just because you can doesn't mean you
should so so often even as you know you
mentioned some of the credentials ahead
of time of getting an award of hypnotist
of the year of train thousands people
around the world
and I don't work with everyone who
contacts me there are moments where even
I'm very comfortable saying I mean
here's a simple example of this
gentleman actually moved on the last
couple years I'm looking for a new
resource someone would call up for
something very medically related and
here are the symptoms I'm trying to deal
with so they're not expecting that I'm
going to cure the condition no yet I'm
nauseous from this I'm not sleeping well
stressing me out and those are the
bullet points we can go after yet I'd be
very open over the years to say that you
know you're calling about something very
medically related which I'm gonna have
to look up and here's another person in
my local area that he is a retired
medical doctor that is now retired from
medicine but now doing this work
full-time I think you should call him
tell him I said hi you know simple is I
mean here's a call yesterday that as
much as
work with people around the world it's
not just a one-to-one through my work
people through videoconferencing and
here's person who calls up and I'm
listening and I'm realizing oh wait
she's in New Jersey I have to go how far
you away from this city and she goes
that's three minutes down the road for
me to go okay yeah just here's Bryon's
number Brian's a good friend he does
great work so there's that opportunity
that you know there's more opportunities
around the one category that I'd say has
called in and it's just me playing the
ultimate just because you can doesn't
mean you should I need to pass a
lie-detector test you know and I'm gonna
be very cautious around that because
some of them have very out and really
said why they have to pass it and that's
every reason why oh no you're not coming
to my office so again it's to look at
from the perspective I think the bigger
picture statement is that in any
business you don't have to work with
everybody you know you are allowed to
pick those things that those are your
specialties you know and there have been
moments where let's call this one out
someone has called on behalf of a family
member who is doing something that they
don't approve mm-hmm and until it's that
person's intention to change you know
then it's not the appropriate thing to
do until it's that person's actually
desire to create that change you know
there's all sorts of possibilities
inside of just that general statement
but it's where just because you can
doesn't mean you should I think it's a
great phrase to live by and you know
it's where there's an odd story inside
of this one in the end of the story
first she eventually called back and
eventually her story changed and we work
together and she was successful yet it's
this woman who called up and she goes I
want to see if you can make me stop
smoking I don't have any interest in
quitting I'm gonna see how good you are
yeah which I go oh this is gonna be easy
I'm not gonna try because this is a
collaborative process and really it's
more so that I'm showing you how you can
strengthen this part of your mind to
make that decision in a new direction oh
you just missed must be a horrible
hypnotist then well if that's your
criteria I guess I am oh and she is now
off complaining to a bunch of her
friends about this fill in the blank
hole hypnotist who wouldn't take her
money yeah
me and going hey are you the guy that
they say the name talk to I go well
everything here is confidential yeah we
know you are yeah I'm ready to quit can
I come in so she started it from a
challenged position which mind-read that
for what you well as to what may have
been going on there and what her
intention of that was but eventually her
complaining about this person who
wouldn't even take her money out of the
ethics of it just you're not gonna be
successful I don't want you here
she was then seeing the friends who were
then contacting me and they were
successful she goes okay I'm ready let's
do this and has since been successful so
it's about recognizing where someone is
in their journey though again if it's
something that is illegal immoral
I've openly said this to people over the
years to go I firmly confident in my
skills and nor skills and the
effectiveness of this work though here's
why had a person a while ago that was
and I can I can do this with smoking I'm
okay with this with even drinking that
well I do this but I don't want to stop
I mean years ago here's a person he goes
I smoked three packs a day I want to go
down to three cigarettes a day I know
that's not perfect but that's definitely
gonna be better for me like sure come on
in
I see a ton of people who have come in
because they want to cut back they want
to have control over the drinking rather
than completely stop it and by all means
let's do this but here's the one who
goes you know I'm using cocaine very
frequently I just want to use it at
parties you know and I'd highly
recommend chat with your doctor about
this they may have resources for you
here's a psychologist or two in the area
that I think would be a good fit they
work with issues with drugs you know but
not to bring in my personal judgment on
this but I don't think it's right for me
to be a part of you know doing it more
recreationally cocaine addiction yeah
yeah regulating it comes down to I think
again the simplest statement in many
businesses any part of life is when in
doubt don't yeah it's where if I if I if
someone calls me for something that I
don't that I'm not the fit for you know
I don't have a resource my language is
positive to go well you know
unfortunately I that's not something I
think is within my expertise
and I don't yet have a resource that I
think can help you with that no as soon
as you find something that does help you
please call me back right away so I've
got that as a resource for people in the
future which to use some epic language
terminology that's doing what we call
future pacing pacing someone out into
their outcome and it's setting the
expectation you are going to get through
this thing unfortunately I'm not the fit
for it but as soon as you do find
someone share that resource with me so
leave them the dialogue is always leave
them better off and how we found good
stuff how we looking on time what you're
looking like I got a couple more
questions here for you I'm good okay
great we have a question that just came
in from my good friend Andrew who's in
the chat I'm gonna play this number read
it let's see how about past life
regression Jason do you do it do you
believe in it and reincarnation like
journey of souls explains okay I don't
know if he was able to hear that but he
said and I want to say thank you Andrew
for the donation he says how about past
life regression Jason do you do it do
you believe in it and reincarnation like
the journey of souls explains
reincarnate reincarnation they want to
journey through the past lives and
wonder who they were what they were and
in my study in this moving forward I'm a
bit of a skeptic even though I
approached a lot of this from this you
know this spiritual aspect I'm still a
skeptic about that a little bit and what
I've recently learned this term we know
about the regressive you know I'm saying
the past life regression but I found out
there's this other thing called
suggestive thoughts and like kind of
like suggesting that you were this and
then go let's explore it and suggesting
it what do you feel about past life
regression and going in do you work with
people or actually guide them through
that yeah a couple of things on that one
is that again like I mentioned before
it's always going to be my
responsibility to work within the belief
structure of the person who's there in
front of me and to recognize that again
whether we put it in a hypnotic dialogue
or whether we go back to the dialogue we
had a little while ago around arcing
advertising we take in ideas all the
time as a bit of a parody of this this
was a real thing that I read there was
someone who was
nearby state that was posting online
yeah I'm looking to do a research study
on people with past lives dating back to
the Civil War this is your experience
called me up is he really looking for a
quote pure study or is he now directing
people to look for that specific
experience this is no judgment call
around people who do palm reading or
psychic readings yet there is a story
one time I was at an event where this
person was doing readings and telling
people what they were in a past life
come to find out everyone was told the
same story yeah so it's where the
quality of it dates back to the
individual doing it again it's not so
much my belief system of it it's more so
what is the person who is there with it
now the disclaimer I always give is that
in a classroom environment sometimes
people would be rather cynical about the
idea that to a child with the mind of
the people in the world who follow a
religion the overwhelming majority of
them follow a religion of faith that
includes past lives as part of the
police system so it turns out that
actually statistically speaking of
people who follow faith is the majority
not the minority so be aware of the
audience from a business side of things
I'm fascinated by it I'm curious about
it and though again we have the right to
pick our expertise so if someone calls
me for that I actually tell them my
passion is personal change here's where
you are today
here's where you want to go let's bridge
that connection yeah so if the goal is
just exploration here's three other
people in the area who I'd connect you
with because they're really good at that
and that's why I send to for that yeah
from a from a theoretical perspective
two possible explanations here option
number one even a scientific mind such
as Einstein would say that energy has
never created nor destroyed
so perhaps we're all the same web of
energy and as one one body one soul dies
it now passes on to another maybe though
at the same time we have the ability to
there's a whole thing that we understand
now in the mind called memory
reconsolidation where the anecdote that
comes out of this is the best way to
remember something is to forget it that
the more we tell the story the more we
start to confabulate and add
details there's something yeah that we
in terms of the mind and this is not a
good thing or a bad thing it's just a
thing that we do we generalize we
distort we delete so those of you
watching the stream of this may remember
the kind of funky looking Salvador Dali
clock in background but you might not
remember the fake plant from Ikea in the
corner because that wasn't a necessary
part of the conversation until I brought
it up we would just delete that thing
out but we also distort information and
we delete it there was a study at one
point where were you when the spaceship
Challenger exploded and they asked the
people for their story 10 years later
they went back and asked the story again
and for most people the stories changed
and they didn't believe it until they
were played back their original
recording so perhaps also within
hypnosis we have the ability to do what
we call positive hallucination to
experience even a feeling that isn't
there what's which is not a creepy thing
let's look at it just from hypnotic pain
relief if you're feeling this negative
sensation let me now suggest a positive
feeling to override that signal in a
much more pleasing way and of course
that's a category where I'm you know
connecting with the doctor manette your
all's good with alleviating that
discomfort so if we have the ability to
positively hallucinate something could
that also be an explanation as to what's
happening when the person is going into
let's use the word a perceived past
experience which one is it and kind of
the excitement is that we can't prove
either one so it's where we kind of step
back and go it's where I'd always be
cautious around stating something as
absolute fact yeah you know so a friend
of mine has a master's in neuroscience
and he was talking about the if you've
ever seen the documentary what the bleep
do we know mm-hmm he was talking about
there's a scene in there where someone
is saying every cell has a consciousness
yeah which he's going well to be safer
you should be saying research now
suggests it's as if every cell perhaps
has a consciousness and you're just
softening the language because what
happens 20 years later when some new
discovery is made and now every bit of
this person's work is now discounted
because well that part's not true
yeah a lot going on yeah I put it to the
individuals belief system as to what
fits within the parameters of who they
are but again from the business side of
things
my specialty is personal change my
specialty is working with people even in
business who are holding themselves back
from their own startup or their sale up
stories and going in that direction now
do those things sometimes pop up as part
of the experience and it's not my
judgment as to whether it's real or
whether it's imagined it's instead that
here is what that person is finding as
part of their organic experience needed
to be a catalyst to help them produce
that change the weird thing is it's like
people who go and have those regressions
and they believe it sometimes it's
suggested and this person told them that
they were a cat being from the planet
Sirius in one lifetime or whatever and
then people actually believe it and they
move forward and they build their BIOS
in business I'm a healer and I'm from
the planet Sirius and like they really
believe it and if it's true like I said
we we don't know to call BS or whatever
it they believe it they had that
encounter whether it was just whether
they it was real to them they're moving
forward now as if that is the truth and
they've kind of hypnotized themselves to
have that experience and add it to them
so for them whether it's delusion or
whatever they're moving forward as if it
really happened you know making choices
introducing themselves by this or
whatever and I get a lot of weird in in
in boxes of this kind of stuff and I
really I'm not I'm not a believer but I
do know the fact that moving forward if
it's real it doesn't matter because they
they own the experience well there's a
lot of stuff about DMT and psychedelics
and meeting beings in the astral realms
and stuff and if they really exist or is
that your your mind creating that
experienced off of a movie you watched
or whatever it doesn't matter if it was
real or not because you still have
experienced that whether it's in the
dream state and you've adopted it like
it really happened moving forward
there's some that you can kind of people
are creating their own delusions or
creating their own reality it gets a
little bit tricky there doesn't it well
it's where I mean
to kind of you know not necessarily set
this dialogue aside but to look at it
kind of goes back to the dialogue that
we had earlier around the the suggestion
of the world around us to look at
everything my whole perspective is let's
look at everything as an asset and how
can I use this now in a way that's going
to serve me whether it's real whether
it's imagined you know whether you know
here's the situation where part of my
business story was the worst business
advice is what made me an instant
success that people were saying to me
it's gonna be slow your first year
people won't come see someone who
doesn't have testimonials or referral
sources maybe you should have started
part time and I kind of nicknamed this
now the power of premise that realizing
that if I believed that that was going
to be my result yeah but if I use that
as every reason to do things in a much
more directed way and produce a
different result that would could be my
result as well so they were all saying
it's gonna be slow your first year I
refuse to buy into that idea instead I
believed my story that if I go out there
and I professionally represent what I do
in a professional way with passion
that's gonna drive people into my office
which which it did so I'd look at
everything again back to that statement
of looking at it as an asset and what
are you to do with that you know we
there's an old line in some hypnotic
trainings that a children are always in
a state of hypnosis because they're
always taking in ideas and they believe
in things like the Easter they believe
in like Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy and
Santa Claus and and I think back to I
mean I can think of when my kids were a
few weeks old and very clearly disagreed
with me you know they had that ability
to exercise that critical Faculty of the
mind and my son was the one who took the
pacifier out of his mouth and threw it
across the room a few weeks old it just
wouldn't have it you know when you hear
of other families going in she's five
and she won't get rid of it and he's
just in a few weeks old just wanted that
thing out of his mouth and didn't want
it I can think back to I was either four
or five years old and I won't say which
family member it was wasn't my parents
but I heard we were outside and we heard
an ambulance drive by and this family
member of mine goes do you hear that
some
having the worst day of their life which
how do you know which because we had a
family member or a friend I forget the
scenario that had had one part of my
mind was going what if like it's an
organ-donor situation and now they're
being rushed to the hospital get to list
this life-saving procedure what if it's
this couple that now the baby's gonna
arrive today and it's the happiest day
of their life here's the sound which
from their perspective the negativity
someone's having the worst day of their
life and instead well what if it's the
opposite it's gonna be slow your first
year what if I use that as every reason
to break out and make it work from day
one reverse again it's that mindset of
going again let me look at everything as
a jumping-off point I can go that
direction yeah I can go this one I had
two guys who came into the office
separately they didn't overlap with each
other
but they were both in their early 60s
both recently retired both wanted to
lose weight and the first one came in
hey now that I'm retired this is gonna
be easy I'm gonna be able to go to the
gym and cook for myself and this is the
perfect time to do this few hours go by
here comes the next guy now that I'm
retired this is gonna be impossible to
lose weight I'm gonna want to dine out
more weird I want to sit around our
house more frequently I don't know how
I'm going to do this and he was
successful enough until finally I went
you know funny story the first day you
came here at another client come in I
told the whole story and that's when it
took off then again here's that I people
would often even look at a business
example well I can't do that those
things you do though cuz I got kids it's
like yeah so do I and I'm doing these
things because I have kids because now I
get to live a lifestyle where I'm at the
dinner table with them every night got a
Cub Scout meeting tonight there's events
this weekend and I'm able to be there
because I've now designed my life I'm at
the gym working out in the morning
before everyone's awake because now I
get to hopefully increase that longevity
and that ability to actually be there
with them so harness whatever scenario
is there use it as your own because to
move life in the direction you want it's
good stuff a couple more questions here
speaking about energy the universe we're
all connected or whatever
I believe that right there's a question
here from Chris garner and he says is
empathy and intuition a part of helping
people with hypnosis or is it more a
part of just cut a calculated approach
because you find out what works okay
this is working and I've dealt with
enough people who deal with smoking I
know this works so there's you don't
need a lot of intuition and empathy
moving in that area does it come into
play for you at all maybe the spiritual
side of being led and let's just try
this and see if it was ideal
I mean look at what's the equation that
luck often comes down to preparation and
coincidence I think it's the phrase
something of that nature that if we eat
I could sit there and say oh I'm
trusting my intuition I'm trusting
whatever energy is coming towards me and
some people would come from that
perspective but at the same time let's
look at the fact that I've been doing
this stuff now as a it was a hobby from
like 2001 to around 2006 it was just an
interest in that time it was a hobby
part-time career after that and
officially going full-time around
2007-2008 and here's the as the the
Malcom Gladwell reference to 10,000
hours here's the more than 50,000 hours
of time here's the number of people
here's the metaphors of you're now
reminding me of this person who came in
and here's something that I found was
really helpful with that person so I
couldn't say it's intuition and cast it
off to some other thing around me that's
making it happen though I think
sometimes take the hand and
appropriately to go well yeah but I knew
to say that because I I got called out
in a funny way a couple of years back
that one of our major conventions
someone goes you know you're our only
speaker who pays to go to other people's
classes well you know some people they
go oh I'm just here to learn you know
you're actually paying and attending the
courses you know what I'm in the car I
call it mobile University I'm listening
to workshops I'm listening to
information and it's where yes it's
going somewhere in the mind and the
energy of everything
yet it also comes back to really putting
in the work you know one of there is a
person who did an initial edit of my
book and the the the the gag was one of
these business strategies you talk about
seems a little complicated maybe you
should present a few more things that
kind of fit in the kind of get rich
quick scheme side of things that I had
to go the first word of the book's title
is the word work so sometimes yes you do
have to put in the effort and to look at
again where we can draw where we can
draw inspiration from other sources that
this is what drew me I mean on a
personal side to strength training I was
I was a runner before that and with
running there's a finish line and I
found that was not a motivator for me
and with strength training there wasn't
a finish line it was that every week can
I do that a little bit better could I do
with better form can I do it now with
better strength can I put more weight on
the bar there was that continued growth
of something which it's not that I'm now
willing myself to get stronger no I've
put in the hours necessary to make that
thing happen and eventually now
establishing a skill I walk up to the
barbell for that specific weightlifting
move I know where to put my hands why
because I've put in the effort to figure
it out I know to arch the shoulders back
and bring the elbows down because that's
how I prevent that injury that I had
four years ago so to look at it that
it's a lot of different things coming
together but preparation meeting up with
that unique opportunity often is what
created that luck I mean you look at
some of these reality competition talent
shows and you google some of these
people it's not that it's been
fabricated but they're producers they're
looking for people who are talented so
they get the ratings so you watch the
show and you find so often here's this
person who it took them 30 years to
become an overnight success you know
they didn't just wake up and get in line
an audition for America's Got Talent
know they've been on stage doing that
comedy act for 30 years they've been
working all the dingy clubs and you know
really grinding away at festivals on
stage performing and now they got that
opportunity to now do it
much bigger audience so it's where
passion is one thing yet putting in the
work to actually get good at it's where
the Steve Martin answer to how do you
get how do you become a success just
become so good they can't ignore you
yeah which that takes the preparation
that takes the time to set it in motion
mm-hmm that's good sticking with it two
questions in one I guess I'm gonna try
to tie these questions together
what what what actually happens during a
hypnosis session like as far as planning
ideas healing there's therapy attaboy
you can do it bringing you into the
trance state so that you get it I want I
want you to touch on that but then again
another question I have that kind of
maybe time together have you seen the
movie get out and yeah the sunken place
in the the trance you know in because
you know I'm watching the movie then it
just gets real whenever that I'm sure it
was awesome for you but then it doesn't
get real at the end yeah crazy but so
what what happens in in the in the
trance state or in the you know
affirmations of hearing that you know
saying the repetition retraining the
mind and what about even going into a
relaxed state and stuff like that what
what's happening in the man and a couple
of things there let's let's redefine
trance in a much more direct way trance
can be simply defined as that moment
where internal focus carries more
meaning than external reality so here's
the person internal story means more
than the external story the external
surroundings simple example here's my
guy last week fear flying and he knows
statistically speaking he's safer up in
the airplane that he is driving to the
airport he knows that and yet the
internal story the internal trance is
I'm terrified we're all gonna die even
though in spite of that feeling you
could sit there and logic it out with
him yeah I know I'm fine yeah I know the
the turkey he brought this up himself
turbulence is the feeling of the plane
responding appropriately to the
environment turbulence is a sign the
plane is working you're alright
and I'll just keep your seatbelt on so
that's how we can look at that word
trance in a much more accessible format
to it what I would say is that you know
to recognize that if we want to talk
hypnosis hell if we want to talk
meditation
these are category words and inside of
those categories there's all different
styles of work
there's mindfulness meditation there's
Transcendental Meditation inside of
hypnosis there's different models of
hypnotic work the way that I tend to
look at it is what are those replicating
patterns and how do we interrupt those
and how do we establish a better one
also what is that desired emotional
state so you used the R word and
hypnosis is not necessarily relaxation
relaxation is not necessarily hypnosis
here's my person who is I here's a guy I
had recently actually here's a cool
example of one day just two people
saying all different environments one of
them is a government contractor and he
needs to stand up in as a government
contractor position and just simply give
the updates as to the engineering work
that they've been doing here's how we're
mastering our budgets right now and
here's we're projecting for the year
ahead and I and I had to ask how dynamic
does this presentation have to be he
goes not at all I'm just getting up
there I'm reading bullet points off of a
document that they're also looking at as
well they're not even looking at me and
yet I'm still nervous up there same day
here's another person of public speaking
issues he is a political activist he's
out there raising funds for some amazing
cause and he's got to get out there and
really excite these people to donate
their money donate their time and it's
got to be an amazingly dynamic
presentation so look at the emotional
baseline of both of these experiences
and for one it kind of makes sense a
more relaxation and you can be there in
your mind noticing just how calm you
feel and for the other one
imagination emotion is the language of
the mind for the other one I've got to
be going to that excited place with him
and just be there just feel that energy
pumping throughout you just feel that
excitement flowing throughout you and
we're running that new pattern instead
though it's where again the metaphor I
live by is here's the handy
man handy person who's got the van of
all the tools and here's all the various
tactics that we've got and it's a matter
of how do I put them together in the
right order to fit that person or if
it's a product looking at it in terms of
how do I put the pieces together into a
system that now you can put it together
yourself in a way that you can now do
this work on your own I mean simple
correlation there look at what p90x did
with the exercise world you know do you
want to get stronger watch the videos in
this order do you want to lose weight
watch the videos in that order do you
want to build muscle watch the videos in
this order make sure you read the
nutrition book so they're giving you
that roadmap to do it yourself so it's
to say it's not that cookie cutter
approach it's that instead how do you
make it your own how do you get into
that we use the word suggestibility in
older textbooks in the hypnotic
profession let's begin to rebrand that
instead rebrand that instead as
receptivity more of an accelerated
learning mindset how do we now open the
mind to take on these new belief systems
and so often it's feeding those original
belief systems back in such a way that
they don't fit anymore that's good
mentalism someone meant young David
Blaine they said this guy's good you
know kind of David Blaine type character
right there's often there's a form of
magic with all my stage magic early on
right these different tricks that you
can do get people to believe you and
there's some you talked about mirroring
people you know in the room with them
too you know there's a suggestibility
there there's some science about
touching people you know this if you're
in a nightclub or whatever you just you
break that barrier touch him on the
shoulder touch him on the arm you said
you talked about changing your breathing
pattern to match the person all of this
really interesting stuff how does it
work are you interested in you know I'm
saying that at all the whole whole you
don't say Mentalist or stage magic or
magicians honey funny that you bring
that up because that was part of the
story of getting him to hypnosis I had a
hobby of doing magic as a teenager and
part of the journey getting out of that
hobby was that okay but if I could
really do this magic trick why am i
carrying around a pack of cards
yeah the ultimate magic trick would be
you say you're hungry I go boom and
there's a sandwich in my hands that's
magic as opposed to and now i've
shuffled the pack of cards and now we
can't find your card and now it's on top
mm-hmm that's that's you know I don't
wanted to diminish that in any way I've
got many friends still in Joe's
communities but it was this quest to go
how do I make it more pure okay well if
I'm doing magic with with coins there's
a whole section of coin magic if I could
really make money appear at my
fingertips and move a magically from
this hand over to that hand why would I
have to carry around Morgan Silver
Dollars that date back to the 1890s
again if I could really do that we'd be
in line for a store I'd realize oh I
forgot my wallet fifty dollar bill pay
the tab so that I then developed the
interest in the mentalism side of things
the mind-reading magic side of things
and not to reveal any trade secrets here
but if I could really read your mind and
tell you the name of someone you went to
school with from the third grade why
would I need to go through the the
formula process of having you write it
down I just walk up to you and say hey
think of your friend in the third grade
and I'd say the name so it was looking
for ways to remove the props to remove
the stuff that was supposed to make it
happen and that's about the time that I
saw the hypnosis program and here he was
on stage with 20 people and that was it
and just through the words through the
suggestions through the building of the
environment he was doing a type of magic
that I'm going that's what I want to do
yeah without putting something down I
would just give a small disclaimer and
credit to an amazing magician Mentalist
look this guy up his name is Ilan knew
whose line was we there's a field of our
work called NLP neuro-linguistic program
it's more conversational hypnosis his
line was don't NLP in my leg and tell me
it's raining that sometimes and just to
be aware sometimes people are using
hypnosis or suggestion as the framework
as to how they might be doing the trick
yet meanwhile behind the scenes there
was some sleight of hand that actually
made it happen
so the
some things out there that are being
presented as if they were hypnosis and
suggestion just be aware that there's a
category of that out there that really
it's another thing that was making it
work mm-hmm without revealing too many
trade secrets but I mentioned that
especially to folks like you who have
some passing interest in hypnosis yeah
yeah but how would you do that I'm going
to I'm still I'm still as good like
maybe it wasn't camera tricks but let's
call it creative editing you're right
yeah there's a poor Plant so much a lot
of the people who do things on TV are
actually rather good about keeping the I
I've never seen Darren brown live and in
person he's got some amazing specials
now on Netflix too it's awesome that
he's not become more benign yeah but
he's not you know other than his more
psychological experiment stuff where he
is using actors but actors around one
person who doesn't know the other people
are at rest that's a whole other you
know more psychological influence
category or tomalley david blaine
pulling somebody's tooth out their mouth
and then blowing it back in you know
then you see the other the same lady
which i have why would you do that why
would you open your mouth and allow him
to do it to like that's something else
right well jason mann there is a reason
that you want hypnotist of the year 2017
and and everything that you're bringing
to the table I thoroughly enjoyed this
conversation everyone in the chat has
been eating it up commenting here from
Ali Graham right out says I think this
guy is the most favorite interview
you've done true seeker thank you for
finding him and sharing with us and I've
interviewed some extraordinary people so
I really enjoyed this man I approach it
from the spiritual woowoo side and so
but I like the fact that there is like
the host scientific breakdown of how you
can approach it from that and that this
is how it works this is how your
suggestibility this is how repetition
reduces resistance because that's how
the mind works and you're able to
retrain someone if you want to tie the
faith into it whether it's Christianity
Islam Hinduism or whatever like it's a
reason that this stuff works and people
believe this stuff so man thank you for
coming on
if you want to go ahead and plug some of
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can get in contact with you man that
would be awesome yeah absolutely and
it's where again make it all your own is
the intention even as I even as I teach
one of my catchphrases is that it's not
my intention to turn you into a clone of
me yeah it's my responsibility instead
to give you sometimes the insane level
of thinking I've put into what I do that
way you can replicate it and make it
your own
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so much we can approach this with I love
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ladies and gentlemen I enjoyed it the
science of spirituality I can give you
the spiritual terms right a lot of
people can but when you can break it
down to like the scientific method that
kind of science and spirituality go
hand-in-hand
speaking positive affirmations speaking
over yourself makes you feel a certain
type of way why does it do it well
there's scientific reasons the way that
you're shaping the brain affirmations
being hypnotized without even knowing it
you know colors signs symbols shapes all
of this kind of stuff making you feel an
idea or being welcomed or whatever just
because of using little colors and all
of this kind of stuff we're talking
about branding man and it's so if
someone's moving forward with branding
and colors that are being used with that
it gets so so so deep to know why you
have a tagline why do you remember it
why am I remembering these songs which I
don't even like but for some reason I've
heard these songs twice and I know every
word like why does that you know why am
i program to do that there's a science
behind it and it's this spiritual
thought behind our you know we talked
about prophesying I talked about
speaking over yourself speaking over
your day blessing it
literally speaking it outright what you
want to accomplish I'm going to do this
I'm going to do that reshaping your mind
with these positive affirmations and
then figuring out okay how do I
effectively do this how do I effectively
or practically bring this into existence
you got these ideas but just talking
about I mean it's not gonna do anything
like it's gonna reshape your your your
your your brain and your expectation my
expectation brings about my
manifestation these these little
concepts or whatever but it's about
responding learning growing better I
mean he said so much we're talking about
being empathic in using spiritual gifts
which I believe in but a lot of it will
come second nature where you're not
reliant on a miracle where you're not
reliant on empathy or whatever the cases
are like the whole look of the jaw roll
of the dice you're not relying on that
you're relying because you've been so
faced with this situation 17 times and
I've made the wrong decision 17 times
let me make the right decision and see
what happens you make that decision
everything around you changes okay the
next time that I'm faced with that
situation for myself for my family for
my friends for my clients hey I'm
dealing with this hey well let me let me
let you know what worked for me let me
let you know what worked for my client
moving forward and then creating that
atmosphere of your business doing it
full-time moving in a place of
professionalism it's about making it's
about saying yes innocent about it's
about making mistakes learning from them
but then doing what works over and over
doing what works over and over
santiago's in the chat my brother
consistency consistency if it's working
keep it up why stop why stop if it's
working if it's not working reevaluate
your game plan why isn't it working
why doesn't nobody like my music why
doesn't nobody hear about it can be it
could be a lot of different reasons how
can I get people to do it how can I get
people to listen you know marketing ski
marketing plans you know I'm saying let
clickbait is a big thing right like
putting putting it out there and knowing
that people are gonna respond to
controversy controversial titles man III
experiment with that a little bit you
know what I'm saying not with my podcast
so much so but maybe so you know some of
the controversial
titled episodes get more clicks even if
there's even if there's no meat in it
really there's no meat to it it's not
deep it's just the the concept is
foreign or people you know are moved by
that for some reason people eat it up
you know coast to coast am Alex Jones
these cat type of people who know how to
push buttons and keep you on the edge of
your seat there's something to that that
sells or whatever and learning how to
kind of sell yourself whether it's
controversy or whether it's you know
clickbait titles or interesting titles
you know that's one reason moving
forward like I don't I don't number my
episodes of the podcast most podcast you
find they say okay this is episode 12 of
the true seeker podcast of the Joe Rogan
podcasts okay what about episode you
know fifteen hundred and twelve if
you're on Episode fifteen hundred I'm me
personally it's just how my mind works I
don't want to go listen to an episode
you did seven years ago you know what
I'm saying and because you're gonna be
talking about current events that
probably aren't relevant anymore
you know maybe if you want to revisit it
and you have people who just consumed
all of your content it's gonna be good
if if you if you number it but for me I
can put out an episode and some of the
ones that I did you know ten years ago
people are just now finding and they
finally get relevant and there is no
association with the date maybe it's
just me maybe it's you but there's an
assertion and this is old stuff I want
the new what are you saying now what is
jordan maxwell saying now well it's not
as good as the old stuff let's repackage
the old stuff and kind of bring it forth
which we've tried to do but he doesn't
really go into
detail about a lot of that stuff so
that's part of it but um being effective
man being intentional with your
conversation like letting people know I
mean I you know there's been some key
players in my life some friends who were
saying hey do it man try it you only got
one shot you know and I'm like thinking
about you know you have all these
reasons why you shouldn't even know if
it's a dream but yeah this you know I
got kids it's not gonna be enough money
I might lose insurance you know all of
this kind of weird stuff that you have
to evaluate and maybe you should
evaluate it before you step out in faith
or whatever and have some kind of uh you
know I'm saying plan moving forward but
sometimes it helps when cuz we got all
these naysayers right we have all these
people yeah you shouldn't do it man I've
heard people friends tell other friends
not to step out and not to pursue your
dream or whatever because now you have
kids and now you need to focus on your
kids dream and you kind of lived your
life and now it's time to focus on them
and if my friend drew Gower to be
precise who was almost 400 pounds
dropped 200 pounds grinding hard
pursuing his dreams not giving up he
wouldn't have lost 200 pounds he
wouldn't have been he wouldn't have just
put out a book you know what I'm saying
because those people come into your life
and and they could and not even being
maybe they didn't know what they were
doing they're just talking and they
don't even know how much impact I'm
pretty sure that person don't even
doesn't even remember telling him that
if you asked him told him not to do that
you know it's just in passing but what
about be about being intentional with
speaking life into someone's life the
Bible says that the power of life and
death is death is in the tongue and you
have that ability to look at someone and
call out greatness within them that's a
spiritual gift in and of itself to say
hey I see you spar I see potential in
you there's something good in there I
want to work with you and bring it out
whether it's on a private session but
just being intentional about regular
conversation that blows my mind about
answering questions about positive
affirmations in conversation
that's big and so even shout-out to Drew
Gower who was a big you know he played a
big role in my life of moving forward to
do this full time to take on clients you
know to to to understand that the
information and the the things that I've
learned over the years is is valuable to
share to save someone from going down
pitfalls and things like that but to be
able to get paid for doing what you love
for a living so shout-out to him and
there's a comment here from from from
Chris Barse my my friend here he's been
a he's been an influencer there's so
many people you know in your life that
becomes an influencer so shout-out to
Chris bars who's just like hey man keep
it up there's times I've thought about
quitting and had those people in my
corner and say hey man I don't know if
this is gonna happen you know and you
have all the reasons why you shouldn't
but that one person this other source
we're talking about the point of contact
your pastor your priest your therapist
your counselor whoever it is it's one
person who says yeah boo don't give up
just yet there's something great inside
you I can see it you're on the verge of
something don't stop
how much power does that have for you
pursuing your dreams starting your
business whatever it is getting out of
the monotony of the nine-to-five of
whatever it is of that relationship
whatever it is keep going so all of that
comes into play so if we're conscious of
it and what people have done to inspire
us let's return the favor let's return
the favor to the same people I work you
know Chris bars and drew I've been a
huge role in their life I know it
letting them know look let's do it man
and I'm returning the favor
and other people random people even
through the podcasts is it's you know
what I'm saying it's pay it forward pay
it forward but pay it back to the same
people you got these people in your life
who are encouraging you inspiring you to
keep up doing great things pursue your
goals and dreams inspire them to you
never know who needs a man it's
sometimes just the strongest people who
we think
the biggest healers who are successful
in business you know comedians man all
of these people taking their own lives
and they seem to have everything
together they seem to you know I'm
saying we look at Robin Williams and
things like that and Chester Bennington
and the lead singer from Audioslave or
whatever you know in these people who
seem to have it all together but they're
like nah I'm done checking out sorry
leaving friends and family behind got
kids no pulling a hold on like what do
they need what if you could have been
that person that spoke life to them well
they're dealing with depression and you
don't understand clinical depression yes
I do but I understand that that the
words have power that if you have
somebody in your corner have you ever
talked someone out of suicide have you
yourself ever thought about suicide have
you ever thought about taking your own
life and it was just something or
someone that's like you know what I'm
worth it they're worth it I'm not going
to bow out prematurely I'm making a
difference and that's why there's so
much adversity towards those people
making a difference they deal with so
much you don't know about it because
they're not telling you and all of the
stuff they're dealing with and having to
weigh not everybody wears their emotions
or their heart on their sleeve some
people do a good job of pinning that
stuff down and pretending to be okay
many of us it's crazy it is crazy I've
dealt with it I deal with it you know
we're all human so for you to be able to
inspire someone to prophesy over their
life call out greatness in them I dare
you and I do it and I'm so passionate
about it because I've been in the
situation where I've pointed out the
negative and everyone looked for the
negative and everyone look for the
negative in every situation
uh-uh you're not doing it right you're
not doing it how I would do it or how I
was taught in thinking that you were the
only one right I've been in that
situation let me let me just try the
opposite let me try to call out
greatness in you let me try to speak
life into you I know
crappy situation but let's look for the
good in it okay and then you start
seeing if the things you're looking at
if you look at them differently and you
change the way you're looking at them
they'll change those so-called curses
those so called demons you know that
we've dealt with or we deal with they
become you start seeing why they were
there why they're here and maybe make
friends with them maybe understand why
these type of people keep coming in your
life understand that moving forward so
that you can make the changes moving
forward why is everybody around me a
leech why does everybody take and not
give back maybe there's a reason I'm you
know drawing these type of friends like
you know just assessing the situation
and seeing how you can change it and the
power of life and death again is in the
tongue and you can change so much by
speaking out those affirmations over
yourself depression even like you just
don't feel like it slap yourself in the
face get it together man psych yourself
up get in the zone lift some weights put
on some good music the power and music
right you can put on a song that would
just motivate you amp you up bring you
back to a good headspace by putting on
that music that's why I don't do
destructive music that's why I don't
curse in my music that's why I don't
tear people down in my music it's
because I know the power of it the power
of life and death um profit solve
yourself I feel I don't feel like it
today and I've had a run of several days
in the past where I don't feel like it
what do you do do you just give in well
you don't you don't feel like it today
so what's that mean you won't feel like
it tomorrow you don't know that maybe
but today today is the day that you have
to make that choice so prophesy love
yourself speak to yourself command your
body to line up with the Word of God
command your body to you know start
feeling better call in those those
clients call in that podcast that video
those partners those supporters all of
that stuff man speak to the things that
are not as though they were with that
I'm gonna say peace and Shalom
I enjoyed this episode this was an
amazing guest today like I said there's
a reason that he won the 2017 hypnotist
of the year did guy knows his stuff and
there's nothing I don't think there's
anything that exists that isn't
spiritual or like multi-layered but I
love looking at the physical side of it
because my mind goes straight back to
spiritual goes straight back to
Scripture all of that kind of stuff but
it was a really good episode so uh yeah
make sure you guys share this out with
somebody who can use it and I hope that
you're encouraged I hope that you pursue
your dreams in 2019 2020 wherever you
are listening to this moving forward
it's gonna be good greater things are
still to come God is not done with you
yet
understand that know it know who you are
in Christ and the power that you have
and the calling that you have that you
were created to do to do good things
that's why I like the Bible that's why I
like Jesus and the light and love
because I'm encouraged by it encourages
me to be a good a good person it
encourages me to know that somebody
cares for me I may be stuck around all
these people in a certain situation who
don't give a damn about me but I know
that there's one or two people three
people in the spirit of God and Christ
and the Holy Spirit who who love me and
who have sent me here to do great things
and I'm going to do it so that I can
move forward with that confidence to
know that hey I'm connected and I'm
protected by the hand of the Divine and
know that we're here to do great things
in the earth and I won't stop until I'm
done you can't shut me up there's
nothing you can do to stop me so
embracing that not just me but you you
too moving forward embrace that um again
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find the time to do that so there's new
meditations available if you haven't
heard that I highly suggest that you
listen to some of the meditations that
are available on my website the
music at a new album that just came out
and I love just just the impact of that
music was created with intention to help
you to encourage you to equip you and to
just how everything is involved around
encounter with God with the divine with
your higher-self with angels with the
beautiful benevolent beings who are here
to assist you and guess what it's
working it was created with intention it
was birthed out of intention and it was
a birth out of experience and it's going
forth doing the same thing I encourage
you to check that out I guarantee you it
will bless you and it will change your
life yeah with that being said I'm gonna
say peace and Shalom if anybody would
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doing to move forward in business step
out and whatever it is that God has put
you here to do find out what it is and
take off and run with it with that I'm
gonna say peace and Shalom and we'll see
you guys again very soon peace peace
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