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Identity and the Maturity Process | Martin Smith
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gonna be talking about identity finding
your identity who are you Who am I why
are we here you know those kind of
questions is I think that time and
finding out the deeper mysteries hidden
within our identity who are we men and
so there's some breakthrough that I
found I'm gonna be open honest and
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today is gonna do the same and he's got
a course that he's working on it's gonna
be really good so we're gonna talk a
little bit about that go through some of
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man it's gonna be good and it all ties
back into spirituality you know what I'm
saying you got to know who you are if
you don't know who you are you allow
people to tell you who you are and
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today's guests my good friend from the
flying penguins Martin Smith Martin
what up man welcome to the podcast hey
thanks man appreciate it
excited to be here heck yeah man this is
our second talk together we we do the
next stages with a group of superheroes
almost like a collective of people from
around the world and leaders in our area
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together bring our spirits together to
form Christ on the earth together so
it's really fun man to partner with you
in that and doing the next stages and
everybody coming together so shout out
to those guys - absolutely man whoo
we had a chance to meet in person a
couple weeks ago before this corona
thing here right that's right that's
right yeah we're driving back from
vacation in Florida I was like dude
we're going right through true seekers
territory so it was definitely a
blessing to catch up and meet you give
you a big ol hug and that was that was
cool man I really enjoyed that have some
coffee yeah exactly good stuff man so uh
we did a good good talk before man we
talked about spiritual encounters with
with Christ
kind of tapping in in the secret place
and you know I really love it what God
starts in the secret place in the place
of Prayer you know he he answers and
rewards openly like you start something
in the secret and then in your waking
life you have like synchronicities and
God starts speaking to you through other
people and avenues television shows
movies and stuff and be able to see and
hear him and everything so we talked
about that so when I refer people back
to that episode but today we're gonna be
talking about identity again you're
working on a course that's supposed to
launch around the 1st of May is it yeah
early May so looking at May the 6th
which is a Wednesday about 7:00 p.m. and
so I'll be sending more information out
on that or have it out on on the fine
payments website fairly soon so with all
the different topics that we can address
my identity why is it important for you
to to do a course on this you know as I
was you know I feel like I'm Lords been
kind of pushing me to write a bit and
I'm not written a book and you know I'm
definitely inspired by by your journey
as well and to your exact point with
everything there's so much out there but
for me identity is the core if if my
identity is is off and I don't know who
I am or I've put it in something else
then everything else that I do is skewed
based on on that identity and so for me
and and my journey as I began to come
into identity and understand my what is
identity number one and who is it in it
it really began to transform some things
for me and part of it was it enabled me
to do that that deeper inner work
without losing my mind if makes sense
because now I could go back into you
know challenges or issues that I've had
throughout my life and even in current
situations and not totally freaked out
because it's like all right
even though I'm feeling these ways or
having these these issues it doesn't
define me
and that has enabled me and others that
we've worked with and to really come
into identity kind of say the same thing
is that like it gives me the capability
to actually go in and face the reality
of those things because it doesn't
define me but now I can actually embrace
it and bring it in close instead of you
know trying to just destroy it and crush
it whatever that may be which my whole
life you know it was always you always
taught to basically destroy anything
negative you know you crush it you kill
it you shove it and basically what it
means is you shove it down right you
don't really deal with it and you cram
it deep deep down inside of you and it
it squirts out some other other place
you know whether it's through an
addiction or through anger or through
whatever it always comes out at some
point and so it's for me identity has
allowed me to then start to go actually
deal with it face to face and end with
Christ together openly and honestly and
work through the process of that instead
of just you know the typical we're
healed everything's good you know
everything was healed with the cross and
I don't deal with anything well no
actually it's it's the cross that
enables me to deal with it effectively
and so for me yeah that's where identity
it's the foundation for me overall yes
about walking it out to like it's it's
like found at the cross right but then
you have to take it like that's where
you get your identity but walking it out
and applying it to every area of your
life is is huge oh yeah as far as like
you know people are people there's a
persona there's a mask you know that we
all kind of have or an image that we
want to project in a a lot of people
hide behind that it's it becomes
comfortable that's what they're known
for it's you know they are identified as
what they do and not who they are which
is one thing that we all have to get
past you know especially you know when
that thing is stripped from you you know
the thing that you've known or you've
done your whole life I mean that's the
whole thing with people going through
church hurt or they world has
or like a leader in the church and now
they don't go to that church anymore and
now they were asked to step down or
whatever then they're like their whole
world is rocked because they've kind of
put their identity in this group or
movement or you know what they did
whether it's their job or whatever an
artist and now you don't do that art
anymore whatever but it's like going
past that and knowing that I like to say
my identity is hidden and found within
Christ yeah no you're right man and it's
funny I I've probably been on this
identity journey for the past five years
and it's been in like the last
two-and-a-half years it's like my
identities been tested massively you
know and you talked about things getting
stripped from yeah you know we you know
had some real challenges through you
know our church and and even our flying
penguins group with youth and just it
was like wham wham just like within a
one-year [Â __Â ] little space it's like
everything hit all at the same time and
it was this massive pressure cooker and
I mean it has challenged every bit of my
identity to the core and honestly I feel
like if if the father hadn't been hadn't
put me on identity right I don't know if
I I think I would have lost my mind
because it allowed me to say all right
even though everything kind of sucks
right now and and I have no idea why
stuff is happening some of it my fault
obviously other things just life you
know it allowed me to say all right but
I I can hang on to my identity that of
who Christ says that I am and that is
sometimes was really all I had left
yeah for sure and it's allowed me to
come through and it's matured me and I
know you've gone through similar things
you know as well it's like oh man we I
think we all got to go through advanced
Google though you know and I heard a
pastor Darren Begley talked about
yesterday's like you know why are we
surprised that our identity gets tested
or what we've been teaching and
preaching gets tested he's like hey you
know anything that goes against the
grain and we look at
you know even with Christ he was so
countercultural and of course I mean he
he was tested in that by society so I
was like so why would we see be
surprised if we're teaching identity or
doing something a bit against the grain
that when we get tested for it and it's
like that's actually when we truly begin
to learn identity and know it it's one
thing to be educated and and be able to
teach it even and then it's a whole
nother thing to know it and I feel like
that's the last two two-and-a-half years
for me
the father's been allowing me to
internalize it and begin to really know
it versus just be able to you know
regurgitate the words and even be able
to teach it it's like alright now I'm
I'm really learning it and knowing it
and realizing man it's a it is in some
ways a never-ending process but it's
it's not you yeah it's better I mean
because you know I used to see myself as
you know I'm trying to become like
Christ you know and that it's like man
you know here's Here I am and I can't
even show you on the screen the gap
there you know but identity is and so
it's always performance and it's always
failure because you know you know the
old the old terms is like oh you know
you can try but you'll never get this
you know let's drive brother yeah but
you just keep on going like well that
sucks man I mean that's a yeah what's in
this but we're not gonna be exactly it's
like man that's just that's failure
after failure after failure and I think
many people honestly feel that way
that's like man I'll never get there and
with identity it flips it and says
actually you're right you can't do jack
Christ did everything for us and when he
rose again it's like that he transformed
our very DNA when we accept him it's
like we become truly a new creation yeah
so I'm not trying to become something I
already am who he says and now my
sanctification process is really
learning and reprogramming my mind to
who I already am and then the more I
believe that my behavior begins to
reflect it
and otherwise you know the other way
it's like man I'm trying to modify my
behavior to become like Christ and
really in the background and you know
and so conscious you're like but you
really not so I've heard that take about
the garden about the sin you know and
like whether the lie came in from the
enemy was that the serpent was trying to
tell them something that they already
were like they already were like God
they already like God's doing this
because he knows if you eat eat this
you're gonna be like him and he's like
this little lies I don't know I've
already like my father and so this this
identity crisis even coming in there at
the Garden of her to explain that way
yeah for me it was hard because like
when I was going through my stuff I and
it was tied in with the dark the dark
night you know it's so much like you
said I almost lost my mind like that's
it's not just a passing fray he's like
that's deep even as a Christian like I
went through some really dark stuff and
I've been open and honest about just
doing these short videos about coming
out of witchcraft and what it looked
like and stuff and it's really blessing
a lot of people and even though how dark
that was as a believer I went through
some things that had to deal with
identity that was even almost just as
dark as that and it had to do with like
you know me owning Who I am and where
God was calling me out of and going to
and I was known as this man when God
ripped out away he had to do it because
it was so comfortable in the churches
and being known as an evangelist and
getting paid and I could just show up to
a church and there was like five hundred
kids that I get to minister to and do
music for and stuff and tell my story
too and like my identity was in that but
then as God was taking me further and
I've been to begin to be open and honest
about it that identity of what ministry
looked like about Who I am and begin to
change and like I would always try to
run back to that as God was pulling me
out of the box of the four walls I knew
that there was like a safety net I would
try to keep going back and I would have
to like tell people I didn't believe
things or I'm not associated with other
people I'm sorry I share
that article whatever so that they would
accept me so that they would allow me
back into their graces and stuff and so
that whole thing even though I kept
trying to run back to that realm the
Lord wouldn't let me he had to like
really shut those doors cuz he knew that
I just kept running back and running
back and he was calling me out for a
different people a different group and
uh and it was about having to learn who
I was because like if you don't know who
you are you allow people to tell you who
you are and that was huge for me and it
really I really understood how much more
that I needed to kind of get into the
word daily get into the scriptures daily
because I begin to believe what the
people were saying about me like people
say oh you're not a Christian anymore
you're your devil worshiper and I had
people who looked up to me and like
mimicked my ministry and hey man you
encouraged me to go out to the streets
and you encouraged me to do this and
it's so encouraging flattering to the
ego you know but then they're like hey
man you're following the devil now we
can right there like like and I'm like
no I'm not listen yeah you are and
they're like telling you and and I begin
to like you know question what I was
doing and didn't want to be known as
that you know and man it was so hard bro
but it was like I begin to believe what
people would say and it messed with my
head so much and it was really dark and
I had to always go back to the Lord who
do you say I am I know what they say but
who do you say I am and then we get into
the word he's like man you're my beloved
I've called you for a time and a fourth
season and I'm working on you and you
are my workmanship and I've you know and
just stay in to the call to the call
because that there's a lot of people in
that right now you know what I'm saying
that they're you know that family's
telling them this they're pastors and
telling them that and it's so hard man
so I think that this is a super
important subject I just talked with a
young lady last night and this was big
knowing who you are in your encounters
we're big on encountering God I know in
the secret place and even corporately
and so this young lady messaged me last
night we talked and so she had this
beautiful encounter in her room she
asked God to reveal himself to or show
me that you're real I want to know you
deeper and she missed
encounter the window the holy spirit
moves in she begins to dance with God
and and she's praying and prophetically
doing things she'd never experienced
anything like that and it's not of a
place of a beautiful prayer and then she
began to tell people about this because
he was excited I encountered the Holy
Spirit in there like nope that wasn't
the Holy Spirit right and they're like
trying to talk her out of this rush
counter I've been there too so I was
like I know I know it's the it's the
very thing that they tell you that is
wrong with you is the very thing that
God's gonna use to set you free and
launch you out right exactly well and
that's the thing because and what I've
found is that it's always fear-based
like so that that's a great example when
you tell somebody that doesn't fit their
box and their understanding and they
panic right and they freak out because
if if you're right and I'm wrong then
Who am I what does that say about me and
it all comes back to identity you know I
think it's you to your point it is so
important even now with all the the
coronavirus and the you know the
isolation and most people's just their
routines are disrupted especially if
you're used to going to church and
that's your main feed then ma'am it's
like what do we do now then it's really
it it forces and I think in a good way
it's forcing everybody to come and
really self evaluate and you know I
think one of the key pieces for me is
that you know you are what you believe
and that's one of the one of the you
know the kind of course we start we're
gonna start through that understanding
that you know what you believe about
yourself and ultimately about God the
Father is I mean it affects you more
than you realize and your behavior and
how you do things and even how you
interpret things is all filtered through
your belief system which it really is
your identity so if if I believe you
know I'm a dirty rotten Center you know
and and I just I'm never gonna get there
the man everything I do is filtered
through that so when I fail it's like
out of the app seat it's a
self-fulfilling prophecy
and if I feel like God is a judgmental
you know you know big big dude in the
sky that's just waiting for me to screw
up and get not just hammer me then dude
I don't want to go hang out with him do
you know and even one more dose yeah
your walk exactly and you're doing your
you actually know no different than the
crazy thing is is that a lot of
Christians are like that and we have two
shows around them you know yeah well
exactly because if if I don't know my
identity then I get offended at
everything and I become you know the
heresy hunters and I'm going after yeah
because if I've got to smash out
everything that doesn't align with my
belief because I'm afraid well what if
it's true then you know does it unravel
everything I've ever learned and what
I've found at least firstly is God the
Father is unraveling everything I've
ever learned and that's part of identity
honestly I think identities tougher
because it it unravels my religion and
and it forces me to go to the Father and
actually relearn some things and let go
of other things and it's tough because
there's some of these things man I have
I didn't realize I had so many sacred
cows and and that put so much of my
identity into the flying penguin those
things or even being the guy you know
cuz growing up I've always seen things I
was always you know I joke I was always
the circus act you know I was like hey
what do you see you know and and even
how bat had become an identity formula
that I didn't even recognize until it
was pulled you know and so the father
just he goes after those things and not
not to punish us but really because he's
a loving father it's like son this is
this is actually a prison for you and I
want to set you free
but if I see God the Father as a
judgmental father and me is a dirty
rotten sinner then I will always almost
always interpret that as punishment or
this is God just it's mad at me he's mad
at me or when I lose my job which yeah I
lost my job in the fall for the first
time in my life I would have
internalized that as well
punishing me or I didn't give enough I
didn't tie the knot and now it's like no
actually he's a good father I don't like
it obviously and it hurts but I know
he's good I know my identity so father
let's let's walk through this together
and and man it was it was a maturing
process for me kind of interesting I had
a camera if I'd told us to it last time
we talked to not but and it is identity
related but a friend of mine years ago
now it had a you know years before we
talked had an encounter in the heavens
where he was he was praying and all of a
sudden he would just sucked into the to
the heavenly you know basically like a
courtroom essentially but it was almost
like a heavenly council and he said he
got in there and he's like in the middle
of it and he is feeling like oh my gosh
did I get somewhere I wasn't supposed to
you know and and he was feeling already
kind of funny about it and he said like
all of heaven the whole the whole
assembly stopped and looks at him and
the father from the throne looks at him
and says you're here and and as soon as
he heard the father say that he just
felt like you know this big and like was
sucked out of the vision and gone and
that messed with him for years because
he was like man did I I felt like I got
into a place I wasn't supposed to be and
it was like God's mad at me now and so
he he's one of the was one of the core
guys in the Penguins and as the father
starts working through us on identity
and we start to get it like one night as
we're worshiping he has the exact same
vision and gets sucked back into that
same scenario everything stops and this
time the father looks at him and says
you're here and he was able to stay in
it right and so what was funny was the
vision was identical the words were
identical but his perception of his
identity and who God the Father was was
rooted in Christ and more rooted in
Christ and so he saw it as I'm supposed
to be here in the father's presence he's
actually excited that I'm here
upset with me and he was able to then
fully engage and I think almost
everything is that way even dreams that
we have or or even visions and different
things we are all filtering it through
our perception and sometimes we can
filter it incorrectly if we've got a
jacked-up perception and that's where
identity is is again so critical with
that because it it really is we become
what we believe yep
and I think that is a critical piece and
then we see I mean we see that in
science all the time about how our
negative emotions impact our physical
bodies or even just how we behave and go
through that and especially when you
look at addiction and and different
behavioral challenges they're typically
rooted in some belief system or through
a traumatic experience that I I formed a
belief about myself or the world through
that and that that's typically at the
core of a lot of the dysfunction that we
have within ourselves and so kind of
resetting that is again that's the most
critical piece of this this aspect of it
where do you uh where do you start with
that I mean obviously it all comes from
the word right why yeah who he says I
says I am versus who I think I am and
versus who you think I am I am who he
says I am obviously it starts and ends
there but in between those two started
getting in points there's so much in
between so going back to the word I'm
actually I'm working on a book right now
myself it's just a simple a Bible
promise book just something you can
keeping just going to be small you can
keep it in your pocket that's because
for me when I was a new believer like
that was so big like I would have all
these situations and things in my life
and judgment and fear and insecurity and
all and I could just go to these
portions and I could read what the word
says about it yeah whatever it was and
so that's how my identity was formed at
its renewing my mind versus what I
believe about myself versus what he says
I am through the Scriptures and so I'm
working on that right now but for like
we know that's it like that's universal
law we the word is you know the
scriptures that war
his truth so what where do we start with
that with like kind of unraveling what
we've learned or what's a good starting
point so so for me at least and kind of
how I'm pulling this course together
it's starting at the understanding of
you know we are what we believe right
and then it's moving in to exactly what
you said so what is what is the word
actually say about me and so it's
starting at man you've been reborn which
means you're a new creation and we dive
into the word on what does that really
mean
you know we say those things and just
kind of flippantly it's Christianese
right and nobody understands what it
really means and so we dive into that
you know when it says that you're a new
creation the old has died just means my
nature is no longer a sinful nature it's
not even a human nature it's it's the
nature of Christ it's something totally
different as a brand new species and
what I find is and I'm sure you have as
well that when when I say that at that
level that gets offensive to the
religious because you're so wait a
minute are you saying you like gods I
know and he has made me one with him and
that's something totally radically
different and my nature is now Christ
nature which means I I can only behave
according to my nature now I may or may
not believe that and that's the
unraveling piece of that so it's really
walking through you know that we have
the fullness of Christ were st. in him
we have oneness with him and so really
starting at that core and now let's
begin to learn the rest in him and so we
go through some of the you know the
exercises of visualization and actually
encountering Jesus in the garden because
one thing to learn about it and then
it's a whole nother thing to experience
oneness and identity directly with the
Father and then from there we walk
through deliverance and some of that's
going to be disassociative issues that
from trauma so how do we deal with past
memories how do we heal from that and so
we build on that core of identity the
feeling from that and then also starting
to walk into that we're no longer slaves
to sin and which means that's addictive
any addictions or negative self images
we're not slaves to that anymore and
actually you can you can overcome it but
it's the difficult work that we begin
and as I was kind of walking through
some of this I started to build out a I
like charts and and kind of things like
that and so I I started putting together
what I just called a progression of a
believer and you know and I was I
started to think through kind of my own
life and how I saw myself and my
Christian walk and I think what I put
together was that you know the stage is
kind of the first couple of stages are
really more of what I call a servant
slave or a bondservant kind of a stage
and I think that's where a lot of
Christians start out with that you know
we feel like you know we're servants
were a good servant you know and it's
really more of a slave mentality and my
view of Christ is really he is master
you know and we're not buddies he's
master and my focus is really on that
I'm a servant to the master I'm keeping
commands out of duty because that's what
I'm supposed to do I don't want him to
be mad at me and our view is what I call
it's up to the cross meaning that's like
I'm always coming back to the cross
because I mess up and oh I gotta go back
to the foot of the cross and and I say
that because it sounds great but what it
does is it keeps me in in a death
culture because all I'm focused on is
death and not not life as much and my
identity is really locked up in my
performance and really how well I obey
or how well I serve is where my identity
is and so it's like the behaviors as I
put this together it's like man it's I
work for the king and dude I'm just
happy to be part of the household and
you'll hear this you know it's like yeah
if I could just be a janitor in him and
I would be happy well that's that's a
servant slave mentality
when you think about that's a poor man's
mentality and you know I operate in that
stage really more out of fear and and
it's my personal skills that make me
valuable and I wait for commands and but
then as you move forward you know I move
into you know then we move to a
bondservant right and a bondservant in
the word is more like well that's
somebody who paid their debt and they've
been set free but they willingly choose
to serve that that lord for the rest of
their life and it's it is a step up from
a servant slave but it's still the same
mentality and because I'm still working
for it you know and but now it's like
well I I work for the King because I
love him you know but it's still a slave
mentality and then we kind of move into
more the friend or the brother I see
crisis more the brother and my focus is
now on relationship and I do good things
so he likes me and I want to keep our
friendship going you know so I don't you
still don't want to make a mad no right
right yeah so I do good things because
me I want to get closer to him you know
and I want him to like me and I don't
want to make you mad and ruin our
friendship you know and so it's my
performance is now on maintaining how do
I maintain my friendship and part of
that is as a friend it's like well I'm
useful by my gifts or my signs and my
wonders right that's what makes me a
cool friend to hang out with and so it's
like I'm trying to attract him you know
and so my behavior is it's like well
Jesus is kind of my rich famous friend
but there's a distance you know he's
like I know I got his number in my phone
man yes I got his number and we can hang
out in private but public yeah maybe not
you know and and but I'm in this stage
I'm comparing myself to others and even
to him and I'm just me I'm just hoping
he likes me but you know what if
somebody offends my friend Jesus I'm
gonna go to fight for him and I might
even get pretty ugly because I'm gonna
defend you you know and but what I'm
operating out of in this stage is
insecurity because and and then my gifts
of my bill
to strive and to make it happen and it's
it still made it is works works works
based and and then you move into more
the the Sun kind of identity and
Christ's relationship and then
ultimately the bride but what was
interesting for me and I've kind of show
this in the the teaching I'm you know
got it fun and animated but what I
realized as I got to the transition from
the friend to kind of the son and
identity I realized that the whole
servant master brother is all Old
Covenant and it's all like it actually
is not and should not be part of our
maturity in Christ because when I become
a believer when I accept Christ he make
he makes me a new creation and so it's
like I I never start as the slave I
started as a child an infant with full
inheritance with full DNA that has
totally changed like my father and now
I'm learning in maturing so it becomes a
maturing process instead of a goal and
performance-oriented getting there kind
of a deal and all of that makes sense or
not yeah I mean it sounds like you've
kind of outlined like the natural
progression right we've met the natural
process that the believer goes through
you're gonna start here listen we all
done it you know but it doesn't define
you you're more than that there's more
to come because a lot of that just seems
like the natural progression I'm just
free I'm just thankful to be here I'm
thankful to be alive
right right and you start here and go
here go here and up until you really
understand who you are I mean we were
fighting our intellect
you know we're fighting our experiences
we're fighting the voices in the crowd
the voices in our head you know are a
big part of this is your identity that
was that you had a relationship or have
with your parents because we kind of we
just for some reason it translates over
to our relationship with God like I used
to walk on eggshells and not want to
make my parents mad my mom mad I get
onto me and you know as I tell you
you not worthy you're not you're not
enough you know and just for some reason
your relationship with your parents
translates over we got to unlearn all of
that first you got to identify that
there's some type of similarity so right
is that is that a natural progression or
do you think because I think it is but
do you think that people can like skip
the line as they come into Christ
because I think that's valuable things
to learn in that progression and even
though we're talking about a progression
I feel like I'm all of that you know
what I'm saying like there's parts of me
that is you know that whole experiences
it's part of my story you know what I'm
saying so is that a natural progression
that everybody goes to or can you skip
the line and just comes in no harm some
kind of thing you know and I've wrestled
with that exact question you know I
think it's been a natural progression
but where I am where I have come to is
that I do feel that we can skip the line
a bit and I think we should because it's
because it's still based on our whole
mentality if in in some of them
believers the new believers that I've
seen that have come in and have been
focused and soul solely an identity may
they don't have a lot of those issues
religious issues it's like well this is
well yeah this is what the word says I
am and they start there so I feel like
what it does is it accelerates kind of
that process but I mean because to be
honest I I think it's it's nearly
impossible when you are stuck in that
servant slave kind of mentality to
actually to truly heal because you're at
least for me and I think many you're so
afraid that the truth about you is going
to be discovered that you won't go there
like you won't go that deep because
you're afraid what if these things are
actually true and when I get to the core
of myself I really am a bad person I
really am jacked up and unfixable
unlovable and so I find most people
won't go there and until they start to
cross into identity and it's in that
that phase in that stage we all know
about like the like the dudes who led me
to the Lord and deciphered me early on
they always mentioned like I get to skip
the line yeah right because even because
I'm being discipled by them because like
the things that because I'm gonna get it
faster what took years to learn I'm
gonna get the skip if I if I listen if I
pay attention they're trying to give me
wisdom and how to overcome obstacles
that literally took them seven years to
learn and we're the same way when we're
open honest and authentic about who we
are and how we got you know to be
comfortable in our own skin other people
listen they get to skip the line too
it's like hey don't go down that road
that road takes you three years
mandatory it's a it's almost like going
to university going to college and if
you want to learn that and go on the
natural progression that's gonna take
you three years to graduate but if you
listen we've already we've already
gotten the answers and what it takes so
you can grab it and run faster and
farther than we are where I know what
I'm saying so you can't you get you get
accelerated what took us years to learn
those coming up under us or beside us
essentially get to run faster and
further than us because they get to skip
the line they don't have to take a seven
year course listen this is why we're
gonna give you up we're gonna give you a
run down some master class you know and
if you pay attention you don't have to
worry about that and I found that like
it's easy to identify it yeah like oh
okay that's what he's talking about
that's coming like if I'm open and
honest and when they see it coming they
can already identify they already know
the teaching they already know okay true
seeker went through this and he said
don't entertain these thoughts don't
entertain those arguments don't look
into this or whatever cuz it's gonna get
you caught up and they may even see
themselves getting started okay I got to
pull back you know understand so they
get to really skip the line and not have
to be the suffering servant and you know
if you're like there's a lot of
believers too is like questioning
salvation like if I get that if I finish
the race or if I make it in I remember I
had to correct some people who were
around me in my circle like a brother if
you make it into the kingdom was like
the brother Bible says you can know the
hope of your salvation that you kind of
know this you could be you know secure
and not like he's gonna cast you out or
you know he's mad at you or something
like that so just even these little
bitty ungodly beliefs that we people
take on by default even yeah you can
bypass those things and kind of know
when like there's an out a belief that
wants to challenge that that's not for
your greater good that comes with it and
it sounds right right I mean it's it's
that it's that humility right I'm gonna
be humble oh it wasn't me it was Jesus
no it I mean if you're one that means
there's no separation so you can't say
it wasn't me at all it was only Jesus
now yeah he empowers me but if we're
truly one then there isn't a me and
Jesus it's it's us and that's and that's
a hard concept but that's the that's
really identity I mean that's what it
means is that there isn't separation and
Paul's actually fairly clear about that
he goes through his old list or - or
death nor death nor life I mean be me
sign here exhaust that and yet we just
we say those things and then just move
right back into the old way but you
could do it to yourself
I remember people quoting that and I
said yeah nothing can do it but you can
do it's like come on man not even me you
know and really what I what's
interesting to me what the father
started showing me as I would you know
throw these things out there the butts
or the you know but my sin or but
whatever it's like that's actually the
height of arrogance when you think about
it it's to basically say that something
that I do my sin or whatever
is actually higher than Christ it's
actually above and beyond the blood it's
it's above what the word says in
Ephesians 1 that there is there's no
name above him there is nothing
everything is under his feet but yet my
issues are so bad that they're above
that and it sounds good it sounds
religious and humble but it's actually
the height of arrogance when we really
think about it and that begins to break
down into identities in a cycle wait a
minute so that means I actually am a new
creation and that actually means mice
does not separate me from the father and
I know I used to kind of believe that
that oh it would I had to have a timeout
or something you know or or God because
of what I did God doesn't want to hang
out to me now and that's untrue right
now I separate myself because I feel
guilt and shame and I used to at least
but what I now know with identity and
it's you know it's you know sometimes
you kind of have to watch it because we
tip it will go ultra grace with identity
it's like I can do whatever the heck I
want and it's all good
well the reality is that's true right
because I can do whatever I want and and
it doesn't it doesn't separate me from
the Father but the heart of that is an
arrogant son you know that isn't the
heart of the father yeah no one you can
speed on the highway just because your
dad's the police police chief and
knowing right I don't know I don't have
to follow the law because if my dad's
gonna throw it away yeah I look at that
maturity like that's it that's a
teenager so in in my identity in Christ
if if that's my attitude I'm a teenager
in my maturity so I'm invincible I do
whatever I want
you know which is that and so kind of to
your point I think the the mature the
the growth and maturity moves through
like infancy toddler you know preteen
teenager who thinks he's invincible and
parents are stupid you know and then you
move further into young adult and into
maturity of an adult but you're still
the same person the whole way through
your identity doesn't change it's just
my understanding of it my my belief of
it and then taking more of the
responsibility in the kingdom as a as a
co where as a partner with with Christ
begins to change with that maturity and
so those are some of the things we
really begin to walk through but also it
has to it has to come with that that
feeling and that inner work and that's a
critical piece so I mean I think it's
what what I find it I think it's it's
interesting we're using the term skip
the line a bit and I I kind of change
that too it accelerates a bit versus
skip because I think I've heard people
say well I don't have to deal with this
stuff now because I'm
I'm healed well yeah in Christ's yard
but it's it's a it's that identity that
allows you to now go back and do the
hard work and again I think that's a
maturity process
I'm the other teenager I don't have to
do anything I'm good yeah the beautiful
thing about it I think the maturity
process we're talking about that as well
like you know you are all of those
experiences that you've ever had you
know and you have to learn from them all
every single experience so for those who
are caught up in any of those levels are
still stuck there like I feel like we go
through that stuff for a reason like
anytime yeah quote-unquote backslide or
we get off the path or we got caught up
on this six months of conspiracy
theories that led us down a rabbit trail
and now we're not praying and now we're
living in fear and now we're doing this
and now we're whatever like I feel like
God uses all of those things that the
enemy meant for harm for your good
there's things to learn no matter where
you are or met no matter where you were
and it all comes into this practical
experience of gnosis you don't have to
tell you can't tell me I know from my
own experience what this type of fruit
what type of lifestyle the springs these
teachings bring because I've been there
and done that so I really feel like all
of our experiences add up to where we
are now even when you're talking about
like your friend who had the mystical
experience of going to heaven and it's
like oh wow I'm in this place and and
what that did for him and like it
changed his identity like he was
thinking about that only in his
day-to-day walk of this encounter that
he had I feel like every time we even
tap into the presence of the Lord
through worship and through praise and
reading the scriptures every I feel like
it's got so much power man that reading
one scripture that gets into the mind
renewing the mind being transformed into
the image of Christ by transforming our
thinking Romans 12:2 be transformed by
the renewing of your mind says that you
can prove and you can tell what is the
good and acceptable way of God right
that we can follow his Commandments and
begin to love what he loves and hate
what he hates and but like we have to
learn that because we don't know we saw
it like
start like vouching for things that that
God doesn't like or you know what I'm
saying or even I mean with others but
then ourselves too like it's okay to be
depressed or it's okay to do you know to
feel this way or it's whatever like so
many ungodly beliefs that we identify
with but they're not the father's
perfect will for it's permissible but
it's not this perfect will for us to
stay in that we're going through it it's
not like the walk of a believer is not
that you're exempt or you you don't have
a get in skip the line you're not exempt
I go through it but you don't have to go
through it alone you don't walk there
you don't live there we go through this
stuff we live and we learn from it and
it is about the experience it is about
going through the emotions and and and
knowing what it feels like to be fully
fully present fully human fully
born-again you know what I'm saying but
we have the two natures and so this the
whole human experience man it's a
beautiful journey and I always heard to
say that you know the life is not about
the where you begin or what you end it's
really about the journey in between
making memories and friendships and and
learning there's so much that that you
learn from your own mistakes and then
we're talking about discipleship from
the mistakes of others you know what I'm
saying if we're willing to you know I
I'm with you and I think you know the
interesting thing for me is that you
know you've got to have you've got to
have that that self-importance I think a
huge difference is you know I in the you
know I would say outside like in the
typical minute like a New Age community
or those it is like it's it's it's an
identity but it's still an identity of
me
and it's trying to convince myself that
I actually am a good person you know and
I'm all these things but it still it's
still focused on me it's still dependent
on me so what happens when I do
something really crappy I do something
bad
well so now it's jacking with my
identity and it becomes a it becomes a
brute force will no no I'm actually good
right versus in that I think that the
real difference is is that I admired nd
in Christ is external to me that doesn't
change
and so it's not me trying to convince
myself I'm actually a good person it's
saying okay wait a minute this is this
is who I actually am now through God the
Father who's defined that and because
what I found and I think for many of us
may we go through struggles you unravel
and sometimes you deconstruct as a part
of this and you you have nothing left
and if if I'm dependent on me being good
when I hit that scraping rock bottom
there I realize there isn't anything I
can't hold on to that but I can hold on
to what Christ says because that's
external from me and it doesn't change
where is my encounter righteousness like
that's our righteousness there is a hem
that's who we are we're made righteous
and God sees us through the finished
work that's righteousness right yeah
justification is exactly and I think
what's what's cool is for me at least
once I started to get there now that
changes my perception of every single
person that I see whether they're a
believer or not because now I see Christ
in them or I see beginning to see what
Christ sees even in a non-believer
because he doesn't love me anymore than
the non-believer
yeah yeah and I'm no more righteous than
the non-believer but but it's because of
what Christ has done and so now I can
look at people freely and not not have
to judge and when we have a difference
in opinion on on spiritual stuff I don't
have to freak out and and crush you
improve your wrong now the reality is
I'm still learning that process and by
my think we all are yeah my family
reminds me of that you know and and and
even though I teach it and even though
you know I'm heading that way in the
journey man you know especially even the
last couple of months the Lord's been
revealing some things for me that you
know Mike hey this isn't good
you know I've covered it for awhile and
it's almost like he said now you've
reached a maturity to where we can start
to deal with this you know and and start
to really uncover some of those lies and
I've been surprised even in myself
I didn't realize how
from years ago impacted me or how again
my identity of you know always being the
one to have the answers you know or with
you know knew what to do and how that
becomes an identity that is it's
stressful you know and so being able to
let go of that and be it'll kind of
deconstruct it and then rebuild it in in
that identity as a key piece so it I
think one things I really want to get
across and you even though as well as
it's a it's a journey and a process and
it's okay right and you're you're not
lacking anything and the journey really
is is relearning and unraveling my old
previous belief systems and even the
systems that appeared healthy to me were
really still just a defense mechanism
you know and so it's tearing those down
but then not losing some of the healthy
aspects of it because if you know if I
don't if I'm not ambitious I won't get
anything done right so ambition is okay
but if if my ambition to succeed is what
defines me that's that's what's
unhealthy yeah you start being driven to
be successful because I love it and I
enjoy it that's wonderful that that's a
that's a great thing and so it's kind of
learning that that balanced and and
unraveling it cuz I think you know
sometimes you see folks man they just
they don't do Jack's like that God's got
it he's gonna take care of it all and
they're worthless I'm or you hear the
term they're they're they're so heavenly
minded they're no earthly good it's like
well then you're no good I'm sorry I
mean it's not Todd white says that I'm
so heavenly minded that I'm earthly
incredible exactly you're not yeah
exactly I love about Todd spins that
because it's like the truth is is that
we are able to keep our mind set on
heavenly things and on who we are and I
think that's so critical for for now
especially then I realized wait a minute
we can as as sons and daughters of the
king as co-heirs we can actually shift
environments and before it's like well
either I just didn't believe that I
could so I never tried
but now wait a minute we can shift
environments and as the more of us start
believing this we are able to come
together and realize wait a minute we
don't have to put up with all the junk
going on we don't have to allow you know
the child the trafficking sex
trafficking all those things we can
shift things we can make this earth
actually look more and more like heaven
which I believe really is our role it's
not just a dying go to heaven and hang
out with Jesus like let's hang out with
him now and get our identities going so
that we can really transform this this
world so it's it is a much much better
place for everybody
that's spiritual and practical though
right I feel like it starts in the
spiritual realm but you have to put
right we gotta have boots on the ground
yeah you got a mouth you know I'm saying
just even with the whole you know the
sex trafficking and babies thing that's
going on right now and the queue stuff
and all that like yeah you know engaging
it from a place of prayer and
intercession I believe is good i but I
think it starts there I don't think I
think that like that's kind of like the
whole you know being so spiritually
minded that you know earthly good you're
praying for the people out there but you
I really feel like you got to put
yourself in that situation I remember
hear stories like from like David Hogan
when he was he became a missionary and
there now he's moving to like these de
jungles in Mexico and they're like you
don't want to be here because this is
the you know these people are aggressive
towards Christians they hate Christians
is that they don't like them they will
kill you for being a Christian
witchcraft and sorcery and voodoo is
prevalent in this nation he's like
that's why I want to go I need to be
there they need my light I need to go so
versus like I'm just gonna pray for pray
for them from suburbia you know they're
saying like versus like hey I got to get
down in here with these people you know
and be practical I think our
spirituality has to be practical you
know I think that's the whole thing
about being so spiritually minded that
you're no earthly good is that like
you're just so much like judging things
and you got an opinion but you're not
like relatable you don't have any power
because you're not there you talk a good
game but you're not there with the
people man right well and what I find is
kind of along those lines is that you're
always getting feeling guilt
because it's like you hear the Dave and
Hogan stories that's what a real
Christian should do or you know like you
you see some of these folks that are
just I mean they're doing incredible
things they you know to fight the the
child trafficking and the child porn and
you're like oh well I should be doing
that too and in your life you're just
jumping all over the place trying to
find something that makes you worthy and
valuable and with identity it's like
wait a minute no those are worthy and
amazing causes but father what do you
want me to do how do you want me to be
involved or not involved and you realize
it's not apathy should never be apathy
but it's like I don't have to be all
things to all people I can focus in on
what the father has for me and what you
know he's put in my heart to do versus
what he's put in somebody else's heart
to do and I think I think we get
ourselves in lots of trouble and I do as
well on seeing them and who that's
that's that's really good work how we
doing
that's part of that that's what
everything we're talking about that
identity crisis because we are like
chameleons we see someone doing it and
then we want to do it or I know you
start hanging around them and you
received that but the burden that they
have and you feel like your identity
looks like that and it's like well this
is what you're supposed to be doing
that's made off of your own intellect
maybe you're even like you said move
with compassion for these people you
know you're like you don't know who you
are you're looking for it and what your
calling is and stuff like that and so we
we take on I've become a chameleon now
let me do what true seekers doing let me
do what this person is doing versus like
no what are you supposed to do hey what
is this supposed to look like it's gonna
be different you are peculiar people
following the voice of the Spirit which
is gonna lead you to the perfect will of
God
and seeing what it looks like and so a
lot of us are guilty of that especially
early on I want to imitate you know even
Paul was I hate you you don't know what
to do just do what I'm doing like be
imitators of me as I imitate Christ and
let me just show you how it's done I
feel like that's an overview you know
what I'm saying of like we're just we're
walking in love we're doing the Great
Commission and it's done differently for
a lot of different people and
so that we can reach the world like
there's different people who that I can
reach that you you'll never get a chance
to speak to and that's for everybody
everybody's privy to that but being
having an impact where you are I just
know for them knowing that you care and
knowing what you stand for and all of
that stuff comes into play absolutely
you know it
so this land takes down too deep of a
rabbit hole but you mentioned the Great
Commission and it's funny I did a you
know actually a couple weeks ago I did a
study just a word study on what is the
Great Commission because to be honest
for most of my my Christian life the
Great Commission was tied to the end
times and return of Christ and when I
started to realize was most of the
discussions or people that are so
passionate about the Great Commission
it's really what they ultimately are
saying is we want to preach the gospel
to the ends of the earth so that Jesus
can come back and the focus really is on
just getting the word out there I don't
care if people get saved or not that's
great it's a bonus but I really just
want Jesus to come back and fix
everything and it's in thats at least in
in the circles that I had been in that
was a lot of the focus and again for me
with identity it's not focused on just
making sure Jesus comes back so I can
get out of this hellhole kind of a place
it's they wait a minute no I'm I am his
representa I am Christ on the planet
ambassador I know that's that's
difficult but now it's like so my role
is to bring as many people into
relationship with Christ personally not
just so he can come back it has nothing
to do with that it's well that is Christ
coming back really if you get down to
the matically right exactly that I mean
and honestly it's like even kind of take
it a little further it's like why
reading revelations about the new heaven
and the new earth well that's that's me
that's you we are heaven and earth
together now where they meet the
battleground the Battle of Armageddon
going on in your heart exactly and
suddenly it's like wow my whole
perspective changed because now I'm no
you know in
again it's like now I don't feel guilty
if I'm not out in Africa somewhere that
may be where the Lord takes me yeah but
my just as you said that yeah exactly
exactly you know I've said that for
years you know you know but you know
it's now it's like no no I want I want
people to come into a love relationship
with with the father directly in in
Christ and realize their identity and
that freedom versus I got a savior
because he's coming back tomorrow it's
like you know my motivation is and I'm
sorry it's I think it's off if that's my
motivation is to save you from hell then
I think we've missed the boat because
it's I started that means I'm motivated
by fear I'm gonna motivate you by fear
and I still live in a death culture
because death is my salvation whether
that's Jesus coming back because then
most people die or you know I have to
wait to get all the good stuff when I
die so it's I'm in a death cult it
reversed the cultural life and that's
for me identity breeds the culture of
life that is it's transformational
really just just taking another left
turn down this rabbit hole but I think
me and you both kind of lean a little
bit more towards the preterist size
right and there was an urgency when we
read the Bible I think understanding
that and reading the Bible that there
was a sense of urgency and for some
reason that urgency is translated to us
we feel like we got it's coming back any
day like cuz that was in the Bible and
when you read it they understood like
Jesus said hey we're not gonna die until
all of these things happen right you're
like he told that to a specific people
you know see that really wasn't urgency
we read that and received the the same
urgency even though that that's not the
the case of where we are you know that's
a I think if you look at it from the
exactly what you're saying Jesus
flat-out said hey this generation won't
pass so you've got to do a lot of
linguistic gymnastics if that's a term
thing that to make it work for a future
view and if he was talking about that
dispensation of people right
another say this doctrine will not pass
yeah exactly that's not precedent wise
that's not what it if if you were to
read the Gospels and just even the New
Testament without any filtering of
futurism you can't walk away it's this
it would be dishonest to say that Jesus
himself and all of the disciples were
absolutely convinced that the the end of
the age which is what it really is the
end of the age was going to occur in
their lifetime right and so no way I
mean my opinion is you cannot read it
honestly without coming to that
conclusion
so you either you either have to say
they were wrong which is problematic so
Jesus missed that we got some problems
right and it the riders are they you
just have missed it
we've got some problems or you know so
they were wrong they misunderstood it or
they're lying right or they were right
i'ma do something crazy out there that
I've just kind of been toying with
because I know we talk about we break
the Scriptures down in this history and
they're right the things that happened
in Babylon we always talk about like
America is Babylon America's gonna fall
listen Babylon fell all those prophecies
about falling in an hour it happened the
dead in Christ our eyes look yeah it
happened they came they literally came
out of their graves like zombies and
travel went to their family remember
like all of that stuff happened but the
interesting thing for me it's just that
the understanding was revelation it's
like what if it happens every generation
because even though I share these
examples and you know they say it all
happened right all right people right
yeah but it's gonna happen again brother
or whatever you know I'm sorry talking
them with the idea of like like for
psych an antichrist rising us up people
like hey you have to bow down you're
almost doing like Ragnarok right almost
a rebirthing maybe but it's like it's
almost like that it's this cuz
definitely like our spiritual journey is
is throughout the Old Testament and
right it's we're reading we're beholding
into a mirror we're reading a book about
our story as we go through the
scriptures in it's live sharper than any
two-edged sword right after that
and it means as much back then as it
means today you know so it's still alive
and it's still applicable everything in
there so it's almost like just just
entertaining the idea of like
revelations and because I it's very much
a slap in the face for Christians to
think that we're in the end time and
then not even know like what the martyrs
went through right you know these people
were hunted for a game yeah like in in
Stadium like we go to watch football on
us on a even Sunday like they went to
watch Christians to have to fight lions
right you know what I'm saying and I'd
be ripped apart a spectacle who's a
Christian who else believes and I'm
pretty sure they killed all the
Christians and then look at her on any
of you guys believe right we need some
more people you know what I'm saying
like this damn line I think if the
serviceman is really much slack in the
face to those who came before us to
think that yeah that wasn't the end that
wasn't it's gonna get worse what they're
gonna we're gonna have to give our necks
for the gospel so it's like I do think
it's gonna get bad right we have like
this persecution but we got it made
compared to any persecution or I don't
fit in or when I talk about Jesus they
make fun of me or what it does it
doesn't hold it to that at all man you
know yeah but I do understand like it's
their cycles and it's ways of thinking
and it's not the end but not the it's
not the end of the world but it's the
end of your world and you're glad
through this inward journey of you know
all of that stuff it's interesting to
think about and I think it to me again
in the whole the benefit for me that I
see personally is that it changes my
whole perspective so it's like I have a
much more positive view of the world in
the future and I'm not looking for this
sucker to blow up at any moment you know
yeah we you know because if I'm thinking
it's gonna all burn been there yeah I
have to you know i I've been I'm talking
I looking at the buildings that most
hike on destroy this rock most high is
going to judge you know and just like
going out in yeah in town we can't wait
for them to come back
destroy this like oh my god demonic
thinking that's not the heart of the
father I mean that's not the father's
heart and in what it does is like you
know and unfortunately a lot of
Christians have the reputation of not
taking care of the environment well why
would I blow up you know oh man I've
heard the real fun of the green movement
in me oh absolutely eating and even your
bodies I don't owe nobody I can write
whatever I want and they're like oh my
god Jimmy's lagopus if eclis and those
go yeah well it's like what if this is
the new body I mean oh crap you know and
what if this Earth's gonna be around for
a million years
yeah oh crap yeah you know and I think
for me it it brings the focus back into
know I am as we said earlier I am Christ
on the planet I mean that is that is the
oneness and then my job is to transform
the earth to make it you know this this
amazing place so you know what we got
work to do and as believers we have the
the spiritual authority and ability to
actually make shifts in the spiritual
world that then also come in and impact
the physical as well and I believe be i
my opinion is that view of the the
everything is going to blow up I just
have to wait we've given all of our
authority to other people and entities
that we weren't supposed to give it up
to and I think we're just starting to
realize that and I think I think it's
growing I mean you're just you're not
even talking today is in its indication
that it's growing that our actually our
role is to be stewards and keepers of
the garden and actually transforming in
a positive and ultimately in the kingdom
of God it doesn't matter if you're a
believer or not you still receive the
benefits of the kingdom and ideally as
you see the glory you see the love you
see the benefits like ultimate it
becomes why wouldn't I want to be a part
of that I mean that's that's a whole
that's the wooing that's the love of the
Father that man I want that versus a lot
of what we have you know the NAM layers
like I don't want what they're selling
that's
man that's a jacked-up view and I agree
with a lot of the jacked-up view versus
you know the reality is when Jesus
walked around other than the the
Pharisees everybody was like I want him
I want to be close to that guy I want
what he's got and he drew people to him
and that's really you know for me that
that identity is what begins to
transform that into my my whole
perspective about myself the father and
the whole world and it changes that but
it also allows it me to be okay when I
jack up or when I go through the process
and I'm not I haven't believed something
about myself that the father believes
and I believe that lie that I can now
say huh well crap didn't realize I had
that now let's go let's go do the work
and fix it versus oh my jerk I'm an
idiot you know whatever yeah well there
would be some people who are like in
that who like they don't they could
never do wrong like I said they could do
all wrong so therefore they can't be
taught there's like an arrogance and a
pride that kicks in because they're
already whether it's the grace thing or
it's already I'm already perfected you
know so there is no learning from your
mistakes which is I mean I think that's
why we we make mistakes so that we can
learn right and not to do it again I
think it brings about a certain fruit it
brings about opening up doors to other
spirits if you will that which is not
always a bad thing right I mean they
serve a purpose like if you stick your
hand in the fire you're gonna get burned
and how many times does it take for you
till to learn not to do it yeah he wants
some people may be seven times they just
always you know maybe work with fire and
they get really good at it you know yeah
you know well I put that in the maturity
categories I'm probably a late teenager
I'm invincible nobody can teach me
anything I know it all right and that's
into your exact point that the even with
identity you're gonna go through those
phases where you feel like man I'm I'm
holy righteous pure all those things are
true then you feel like I got a lot
nobody can teach me anything and that's
that's a lack of maturity and ultimately
you know
I can't be around honesty but that's one
thing I cannot go around dude
some I'm a leader a leader who is
unteachable you know I just can't yeah
I'm with you and that's that's it's
funny it gets more difficult for me to
be around that and I think to be honest
I think as my as my views are not as
much mainstream that's more difficult
well I mean the further we move into
this thing we're finding out all of
these so-called mainstream beliefs are
most of my garbage you know and it's
Christianity is like imploding in on
itself and we're moving away from the
religion and moving more toward sonship
and who we are in the finished work of
Christ in it most of it looks nothing
like Christianity we've been sold like a
bad alternative that we thought was the
truth and what better way to hide it
with but within the real thing you know
I'm saying to make you think that you
had it but you would you missed the mark
people are waking up to that you know
what I'm saying it's a beautiful place
that we're in right now when it comes to
a greedy man I totally agree I think
it's and it's it's uncomfortable for a
lot of people it creates a lot of fear
because it's like without that who am i
and it's and again you go into an
identity crisis I mean because you don't
know and that that's a scary place I
mean and I think that's why a lot of
people don't really go into identity
because it does unravel that space and
if you if you don't have either the good
teaching or a community and that's part
of what you know this er whole course
really is to do is help people unravel
in a safe place because I mean I that's
terrifying if you're by yourself and and
all you've got around you is is the the
community pouring in it's tough because
you know I found for me I have to
inundate myself with identity I mean
even in the songs that I'm playing
that's like a weed out songs that aren't
identity it's like I have to constantly
constantly inundated with identity
junctures have them on because my
culture and surrounding just tell me the
opposite typically and so it is a it is
to your point you said earlier a battle
for the mind every
the mind which means I constantly have
to be washing my mind and my thoughts
with the word and others around me and
inundating myself and you and you get to
the process through it but I think it's
I think it can be really scary for folks
if if you don't have a group or good
teaching you can walk through because
man is as we said early you can lose
your mind as you begin to unravel some
of this stuff if you don't have that
foundation I think it's kind of
interesting I in as I've seen this over
the last number of years a watch men
especially as they get foundation in in
Christ and that identity they will you
know start to remember events that
happened to them like either abuse or
whatever and it almost crushes them
actually but they will come out later
and say gosh if if I had not had my
identity I wouldn't have done it but
what I found is interesting is that it's
like it's almost like the father
protects them from it because he knows
they can't handle it right now because
of they don't have a deep enough or
foundational enough identity to weather
the storm and to really make it through
and so it's like he he almost hides it
from him if I don't know if that's the
correct term but it's like he he
protects them from it until they're
ready for the night you see they don't
know it's there yeah don't even read
over scriptures cuz you can't you don't
know how to interpret it because you're
not there yet yeah yeah and so it's like
it's always the father is always
revealing I think for me I think you're
there as well it's like I I realize now
that I know probably less than I thought
I did
and the reality is I know far more an
identity now but it's it's okay I'm okay
with not knowing things I'm okay with
actually my theology shifting and
changing and evolving and I'm you know
and you say that and some people just
they go bonkers you know but it's like
the reality is my my theology and my
revelation of the Father is changing and
it won't be the same next year it'll be
different than it is now and I that's
a good thing and it's okay because the
core foundation is Christ an identity in
Christ and who he is an ultimate who I
am and everything else is filtered
through that and so it is gonna change
and I'm okay with that you know and I
think we've had this dogma for so long
that well if you question anything you
know you may not really you don't
question yourself anything that you
believe I urge you it's a scary to go
out and find like some arguments that
are against it and some other people
debunking it and it's gonna make you mad
your heart may start racing and
fluttering right but it's good to really
prove what you believe and make sure you
you know why you believe it if whatever
stays at the end of the day like it's
true so you know and there's so much
that I don't know and I question and
there's reasons not to believe but this
what we have works man you know what I'm
saying what the Lord's giving us and
what what has made it through and allows
us to go deeper into a relationship with
the creator of the universe you know
understand all of these things taking
into consideration the because we have
like this
confirmation bias we start finding
people who look like us who talk like us
that's what I wanted to there was a
point I wanted to make about our future
and like being conformed and made into
his image and I was talking about like
we always hear about show me your
friends and I'll show you your future
like the people that you're hanging out
with and we'll just have this this thing
about us where you when you start
hanging out with a certain person or
people you start picking up their
mannerisms like you start talking like
them and adapting to the way they do
things and stuff and learning slang and
stuff like that and but I think I think
the same is true when it comes to
hanging out with Jesus right he's my
friend
and in the more I hang out with him I
begin to take on his nature the more
time I spend in the word the more time I
spend in worship I begin to look like
him to talk like him to you know
literally start to start looking like
yeah but you know what I'm saying and so
it's like we're adapting like we're the
things were transforming into the things
that were beholding you know what I'm
saying like this chameleon so
I think that we need to be protective
about what we're listening to or I can
look at that and I'm not convicted right
the music and stuff and it really is
even on a subconscious level like
there's a country song I'm gonna be
somebody is someday I love I love old
country right it brings right childhood
and uh but the Lord said hold on you
already are man like it's already inside
of you like you don't need nothing
outside of you and so you're going to be
something that it's outside of you in
this revelation of God gave me of like
everything I need is already within I'm
already that I'm already a great
podcaster I'm already a healer
I'm already I already have these books
in me you know getting them out of you
is the process but you're already that
you know I'm saying yeah I don't need
anything that they're selling me I don't
need to become anything I already am
it's in saying that I am in the moment
and so man well I think you touched on
some kind of interesting and I know it
can be kind of that controversial but
especially for men but also women but
it's like you know when you're you know
with looking at pornography or those
types of things I mean in in a for me in
a when you're in that slave servant
mentality man that is that is a terrible
merry-go-round of guilt and shame and
you feel like you can't break out of it
and then for me once the identity
started to take hold it was no longer
this horrible taboo horrible thing I
don't agree with it right but it's it
becomes a wait a minute this isn't
healthy for me right this this is
actually bringing images and and thought
patterns that are against my identity
and not who I am and then you begin to
have the realization that the Father
loves loves those people in those images
or videos that I'm seeing just as much
as me and so it changes everything on it
but it for me at least it moved it out
of that horrible guilt shame I need to
hide all this and keep it tight to
saying you know that's it's not healthy
for me it's not it's not okay to do but
it's really it's not healthy for me and
it's actually going
opposite of identity and that to be
honest is what really began to transform
my either even addiction at whatever
level it was but even just you know
what's that's I don't have to do that
crap and it's that's not who I am and
that ultimately has broken that
completely versus you know a lot of
times we just put these cages around us
and you know we cage that monster and
put all these elaborate fixes in keep it
from doing it but the reality is I know
that my heart hasn't changed my belief
system hasn't changed all I'm doing is
just trying to cage this monster and I
live in fear that he's gonna get out one
day you know because I'm not any
different but identity starts to say
well wait a minute well hey let's let's
go look at the monster together and
let's see why does the monster why is he
so angry why is the monster doing
whatever he's doing and the father
begins to heal that monster and all of a
sudden I realize well I didn't have to
hold on to that that was that was a
slave mentality that I was yeah even
though those like I think you have to
acknowledge that that stuff's there
right
why am I remember looking into like
reasons of like why people get into that
and like yeah instant gratification I
think is number one
I instantly write pleasure yeah I think
it's number one but like seeing so much
of the research why any addiction really
you know what I'm saying yeah it is
there and it's usually comes from
instant gratification I mean I've been
buying something that you don't want and
don't need and you bought it in a site
right you know what I buy it and there's
always like this
after like I didn't need that it's the
fascination also with something that you
don't have that you want you know that's
like if I get it it's gonna complete me
cuz you don't know who you are
well I save so much money and clothing
and all that kind of naughty happiness I
mean I remember going to the mall and
just buying hats
I don't know right so I bought a hat and
I get home as I'm a didn't have money
for the head one about a head for some
reason it I wanted it so bad until I had
it now I have it I'm like man I need I
want the money back I don't want that
you know what I'm saying and like yeah I
mean there's programming in color
psychology and brewing and things that
pop out to you that
make you wanna so you're fighting all
that too but it's like I can see it in
but that man Oh
want that let's save it Lenny now you
know for me what it all boils down to I
think I think porn unfortunately is a
really strong example but it's
acceptance right because it is instant
gratification but it's it's also
acceptance because when I or you know
even shopping or whatever it's like I'm
accepted and it's like I want that
instant acceptance and even even how you
gonna look once you get it like if I
were that my persona people gonna think
it's cool but then you quickly like at
least I did I rise like quickly like man
okay my identity cuz I I knew it you
know right that's why you bought this
like diet exactly that's oftentimes
that's why we look at those things
that's why we do those things that's I'm
really ultimately when it's down to the
core I wanna approval and I want
acceptance and as I the more that I get
that from the father and identity the
less I'm susceptible to it and need it
for other things you know I know this
tree was huge issues I think he talked
about the intoxication of the applause
of men yeah people applauding you and
standing on stages and yeah and
applauding and I come from the Christian
rap background music in churches and so
it was really weird to from an artistic
standpoint that you would you would
receive applauses even if you weren't
good even if you're not supposed to be
doing it like in you ain't got no talent
but they're applauding you just because
you're doing it for God you know and so
people are up there with this false
sense of hey people like this no they
can't boo you they go to the club or go
out in the street and do it and see what
happens like and it for real like
there's this big Christian rap thing
where you get applause from like they're
not gonna boo you and then I try to keep
their applause to themselves they you're
doing a good deed and so for the person
they're like oh man there might be a
future in this for me God's like not
know everybody saying yeah right yeah
you know and yeah man that was that was
crazy I deal with that and be able to
see it I couldn't see it at first you
know it's being mindful eventually year
so that man what are we doing these guys
suck oh yeah
or even though not say these people but
knowing why I was doing it all the
applause I'm going to the easy church
services all that kind of stuff man
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stuff we're talking about identity man
identity was just huge for me
so yeah what's up to everybody in the
chat Thank You Christy happy birthday my
friend publicly Christy Johnson's
birthday was yesterday everybody wish
her a happy belated birthday thank you
my friend for the donation but identity
I think it's I think it's a key to learn
the voice of the accuser right the
accuser of the Brethren and so knowing
what that voice sounds like and I've
talked about this a couple of times but
this was something recently I remember
wanting to share a quote or a Bible
verses just something that was on my
heart that I wanted to share on social
media and it was just something just
talking about how beautiful Jesus is or
something like that
and I went to to post it and then
something told me don't post that I'll
post that people are going people are
gonna think you're religious people are
you got a lot of spiritual people in New
Age people who don't agree with that
they're gonna unfollow you unfriend you
and it's like it caught me I'll say yeah
I might not want to post it and I hold
on what is where did that come from the
beauty of Jesus and what he means to me
and like I was something within me was
telling me not to post that like hold on
and I just started rebuking it I was
like I was mindful I hold on there's a
voice of the accuser that's telling me
not to do something not to be myself not
to glory in the Lord right we got a
discern between the voices there is the
voice of the enemy there is the voice of
the accuser now there is also the voice
of the Holy Spirit Jesus says that my
sheep hear my voice in a stranger's
voice they will not follow we got to be
able to identify the stranger's voice
telling you what to do or what not to do
and I've been talking about that a lot
lately with these uh little short videos
on deliverance and what I went through
and a lot most of it was just in the
Battle of the mind right and hearing
voices and
being able to discern but i i've been to
since status like men we need to key in
on that will smith has a video about
being successful and he talks about like
he thinks the two keys that everybody
needs to be successful in life they need
two keys first key is reading that you
need to read because there's nothing
that you're gonna go through that
somebody else hasn't been through
somewhere in time and they wrote a book
about it so whatever you're going
through whatever you're struggling with
whatever wherever you want to get find a
book that talks about that so reading is
key as somebody who's been through what
you're going through reading and then he
said jogging he said jogging was a big
one because jogging and being on the
treadmill that would always come this
time like oh yeah i'm ready to get off
i'm ready to stop okay so now i had
enough for today there's a hold on i got
to learn that voice that's telling me to
quit the voice that's telling me to to
stop to take the easy way out
i've done enough for today know if i
want results i got to keep going i got
to keep working i got to do this so
being able to learn that voice that
comes through when that's telling you to
stop are telling you not to do something
especially when it's a good deed i would
say also to like being led to like give
something to step out in faith in and do
a good deed for somebody a lot of times
there was a voice of the accuser don't
do it of like God is speaking to my
heart saying hey give that person this
money it was like a step of faith at the
time it was 100 dollars hundred dollars
was a lot for some people hundred
dollars is still a lot but it was a
hundred dollars and that's all we had
and the Lord said hey give it to that
person they need it right now
don't tell them just put slipping in
their pocket and it's a testimony and I
thought about it but immediately as I
did it's like nope it's the devil trying
to take your money the devil is trying
to take your last hundred dollars you
know and you have to like kind of go
within and say okay this god it's just
the devil you got to be able to discern
between the voices you got to go in and
come
with the father okay Lord is this you if
it's the Lord it's gonna stay even if
you rebuke it if you try to forget about
it dreams work the same way if it's from
the Lord it's gonna stay you're not
gonna be able to get it out your head
there's something that you need to take
out of that dream there's something you
need to take out of it but you can
rebuke the enemy and he'll flee submit
yourself to God resist the devil he will
flee the voice of the accuser will go
away so but you have to learn to discern
between the voices that's telling you to
stop that's telling you not to do
something especially when it's to help
someone or to declare the beauty the
beauty of God so I remember a man just
hearing that voice and knowing that hey
what is this in me is it a pride thing
is that the ego thing is it that I want
people to like me that's huge I want
people to like me man people will sell
themselves short and do all types of of
things because they want acceptance they
want to fit in they want people to like
them all kinds of things men that we
because we're looking for identity we
don't know who we are so we allow people
to tell us who we are with I remember
even on the podcast years ago I was
talking to this guy some New Age guy and
uh we're talking about you know
interacting with spirits and beautiful
encounters with angels and stuff like
that and I told him about my encounter
that I had with Jesus of tapping into
prayer and and I just did a video on
this there's a video on my page called I
saw Jesus and I kind of gave it its own
video and it's a beautiful encounter me
and some friends were in prayer going
deep holding hands and all of a sudden
Jesus showed up and in my clothes my
eyes and I can see him the brightest
light the most his beauty entered into
the room everyone felt it amazing out of
this world experience that changed me
and I described just on the podcast with
the guests and I say him I had this
beautiful encounter with Jesus he's like
nope that wasn't Jesus that was not
Jesus and here so and you know guys know
I don't debate people on here so I just
kind of I didn't say no that's okay
whatever you know as sight people
telling you about your encounters and
what you encountered another time of
like I remember having dreams and
visions and
knowing it was God and and I bringing it
to people who were disciple of me even
people who were over me kind of and I
was I was excited to share with them
what God was showing me and doing in my
life and uh and they're like nope it's
not God like what no it's not God sorry
God wouldn't do that God doesn't speak
like that it was like what do you mean
and so there's so many people like that
if you've had beautiful encounters again
going back to my friend talked to
yesterday about her encounter I had a
very similar one she was talking about
you know asking God for a visitation God
showed me who you are God let me know
that that you love me and reveal
yourself to me in a deeper way the next
day boom out of this world encounter
with the Holy Spirit and in his
supernatural is out of this world
there's some things that are peculiar
that's different and never heard a story
like it it kind of scared her because it
was so powerful right I think your
encounter should scare you if they don't
scare you then you may be in a bad place
but the encounters that scare you that
they Rock you you know and um she had
this beautiful encounter and every time
that she's sharing it with people family
members and people who she looks up to
and they're like nope it's not God ever
even telling her was the Kundalini
Spirit and this you know and but they
mean that as a foreign demonic spirit
when they say it and they were trying to
rebuke it out of her and stuff like that
and trying to take that beautiful
encounter away from her and I just
wanted to encourage her and say look man
I thought it was beautiful and you got
to be careful you know who you share
your stories with I know that the Bible
talks about throwing your pearls before
swine don't throw your pearls before
swine because they'll trample them under
their feet and they're doing it on a
public platform like this and and
talking about freely and openly about my
encounters or whatever you're gonna have
people who they have they don't even
have a plumb line like a realm of a grid
for what you're talking about
it's so foreign they don't even you know
believe it the guy I was telling about
the encounter with Jesus he didn't
believe that Jesus ever existed or was
real he don't believe that Jesus was
real
maybe he watched some documentary or
whatever and so he didn't even have a
grid that that could be Jesus what I had
to be some other being
or an alien or something right so really
uh you know we got to be careful so on
our pearls before swine because they
will trample them under their feet we
have a lot of knowledge I think that
knowledge is imparted and things and
grace is imparted through mystical
experiences and tapping into the
presence of God and having our minds
blown by the beauty and majesty of who
he is and I think that every spiritual
encounter has something that we can take
away from it it's not just for the sake
of having an encounter but we have to
ask for wisdom on how to share the
knowledge that God has given us you
gotta ask for wisdom so just running
around spouting off knowledge about the
Book of Enoch or about the spirit world
or about you know what you and Jesus did
in the secret place you know I think we
had we gotta use wisdom you know how
we're sharing it because especially with
people who are gonna shoot it down or
don't believe that God speaks this way
especially in like the realm of dreams
and visions I remember even having like
a dream that was from the Lord but it
was scary like it was like the symbolism
used was dark it was should me it hey I
think he had to use this the symbology
to really impart to me like this really
deep burden that he had and I had I got
to see it and I got to see it like I was
going through it which was crazy and it
just rocked me it scared me it was nasty
and I got up and I shared with the one
of the guys who was disciple in me this
story and he's like nope that wasn't God
God doesn't see he wouldn't do that God
he god only uses beautiful things God
only does and it's like I'm praying
against it I'm rebuking it I cannot get
it to shake I cannot get it to leave
it's just there and so that's how I
learned man there's a praying against it
all day I'm trying to change get it off
my mind and come to find out the dream
that I had was interpreted and it was
like word-for-word what somebody went
through that day that was really needed
prayer was going through some really
really dark times that changed the
course
their lives the whole family even and
God was giving me a burden to begin to
intercede and reach out to these people
and you know some of the people who I
looked up to and trusted like they were
like nope that's not God God wouldn't
speak to you like that so you got to
learn the voice of the Lord for yourself
you got to learn when God is speaking
and when the enemy is speaking and
listen if you wake up and you ignore it
and just put it out okay
you could have been you ate too much
pizza before you went to bed but those
dreams that you can't shake man no
matter how you try to how far listen
there's something in it that God's
trying to speak to you there's those
encounters that's the discern between
the voices so God is always speaking the
Bible says let him who has an ear here
with the spirit of saying to the
churches so you got to be able to tune
your ear to the frequency to be able to
hear the voice of the Lord we got to be
quiet we got to quit talking at times so
that we can hear you know having a
conversation there's a two-way street so
good stuff
Murray some of these comments phoenix
rose says use discernment when hearing
those voices or thoughts during a time
of testing you know which is better to
be led by the heart or be led by the
mind I think they're interconnected I
think they're interconnected being led
by the Spirit is greater for sure but I
think that the heart and mind are
connected we have you know the desires
of your heart you know I think we we
interpret the desires of our hearts with
our mind I think they're interconnected
I think that uh when the Bible talks
about um when you can hear your
confession is what bursts it in to
Experian to reality
like when the desires of your heart
which you interpret with your mind
they're just desires they're just
thoughts but when you begin to speak
them out and you create them they had
the to become one Kristi Johnson says
yes the voice of the accuser tries to
creep in when I lay down the sleep I
counteract it with prayer or reciting
Bible verses I know by heart yeah that's
good
again I don't know you I know you said
you just joined us but I was talking
about I'm working on a Bible promise
book it's gonna be something probably
about the size of your hand that can fit
in your pocket so I'm working on that
just some beautiful scriptures that are
really helped me early on to walk in
victory and to know God's truths and
some of those scriptures that really
helped me find victory in my in my life
so I'm working on one of those books and
so hopefully that'll be out soon I don't
know how much work goes into one of
those books but I'm just doing all the
ones that work for me it's funny because
like that kind of net that kind of
happened naturally for me of like
writing down the scriptures probably for
most of us but I have a book that like
right when I got born again it's a
notebook this was back in 2000 so I got
this notebook and I and I just kind of
uh numbered it a number didn't lettered
it a through Z alphabetical order and
I've wrote everything with a Authority
abundance action be going down to beef
and having all these things and I would
just begin to like as I would learn the
scriptures that really helped me for
these subjects I would write them in
there obviously there's other ones that
have a lot more than the others like
spiritual warfare for me was huge right
it is huge authority is huge you know
casting out demons and I was just a
through Z and have all these scriptures
so I'm gonna kind of take those and some
more and I'm gonna turn them into like a
little pocket book that will help
believers learn the scriptures
especially when it's according to those
subjects so that's what I'm working on
right now so hopefully that'll be done
soon yeah man just go to the place that
feels uncomfortable and usually it's
about being authentic so you know when
you're told not to speak your truth when
you're told not to do something usually
that's where the that's where your your
power is the thing that you're scared to
do you got to step out in faith whatever
they're telling you not to do whatever
you're scared to do or they're gonna
judge me if I do it look you want a
precipice man you got to step out you
have to step out it's the very thing
that they're that you're scared of that
God's going to use for your victory
it's going to be the thing that sets you
free and trust me whatever it is again I
was scared to share those scriptures out
I was scared to do this like you know
why am I scared it's gonna help somebody
so let me do it anyway even making these
videos and talking about some of the
stuff like the videos I've been doing
the little short ones on spiritual
warfare like some of these stories I
forgot about and honestly personally
they're embarrassing like some of these
stories are embarrassing to talk about
demonic possession and how I was
possessed by demons and I got a couple
of those that I'm gonna go through I
don't think they're grandiose I don't
that I don't think they're anything to
brag about but it's about being
vulnerable and knowing that that's part
of my story and that somebody else is
going through that I would get so far
removed that uh we just kind of forget
that part of our story but there's
people who are still there we got to be
practical I would try to be deep and go
talk over people's heads and all this
kind of stuff there's people who are
still there and I'm finding it out by
sharing these stories that are very
embarrassing for me personally right I'm
reading the comments man and I'm praying
in these videos as well at the end I've
been praying and people are like being
set free I'm praying over the situation
in these kinds of demonic entities that
I face and kind of had in my mind I had
to get them cast out of me it's I don't
think for me it's embarrassing again but
people man I'm reading these comments
and I'm like yep yep that's why I did it
and I understand man I'm kidding I mean
so many where people are just in tears
they're like oh my god I'm glad I
watched this video I'm glad I found your
work I'm glad I I clicked on this man
because that prayer at the end set me
free I felt the Holy Spirit I was like
come on that's why I do it that's why I
do a be fun Robo man open up you're
hiding so much that God wants to get out
of you and you'll see once you step out
you start seeing people responding even
if it's just one person it's worth it
but it's gonna have way more impact than
one but just do it for the one man the
audience of one do it for the father
right but then do it for just that one
soul and you'll find out that if it's
true that's gonna stand at the end of
the day if it's true and your story's
true and God is true and let all men be
a liar but let God be true you'll find
out that it's gonna carry on way way far
beyond what you had in mind what you saw
that one person you may not even see the
views like Facebook and YouTube may not
even show you that you're getting views
on it but it's out there doing what it's
supposed to do trust me 100% man it's
good stuff so and I Shelly says yeah a
short video it's easier for them to
digest that's right because we're almost
two hours into this podcast and the
majority of people aren't gonna watch a
two-hour interview that's why I've made
snippets and stuff for the podcast but I
really you know I'm seeing power and
breakthrough and making you know
snippets and short videos and just
giving them to their own disowned
encounter or something that I've
experienced in the spirit world whether
it's something good or something bad
in the end it was all for my good right
understanding that and I'm gonna I'm
gonna keep doing it and some people I
think it was I think was teal I'm not
sure but she was like talking about how
it's just gonna she's gonna stick around
for the beautiful encounters maybe that
was you only watch the good ones cuz I'm
talking about doing an angelic
experience and a demonic experience and
just going back and forth back and forth
and angelic I can mean talking about
just beautiful times in worship and
beautiful towns where the presence of
God just came in and rocked a a service
or rocked me when I was praying by
myself like you being open and honest
about those and encouraging people and
letting them know as a testimony like
what is available for them you know
these are what this is what happened to
me when I was going through this the
dark and the light all of it but it's
available for you too so I'm gonna keep
doing those I'm excited about those
that's kind of a new leaf a little bit
harder it's uncomfortable a little bit
just because like it's more work like
it's kind of become easy just to get a
guest and push you know record or
livestream on these podcasts and so
stepping on out beyond my comfort zone
I'm finding that it's working and go to
the place that's uncomfortable go to the
place where you feel vulnerable and just
try it
watch what happens God will use you it's
good stuff hey man thanks for hanging
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