Jeff Harman joins TruthSeekah in this episode of The TruthSeekah Podcast ask they discuss Astrology, Ghosts, Aliens and more!
Jeff Harman, second-generation astrologer, is available for all of your personal and business needs. With 45 years of experience, Jeff is a master of Classical, Vedic, and Kabbalistic Astrology. He also draws from many other traditions of spiritual knowledge for clearing people and property of unwanted energies, and he is a consultant for paranormal investigations.
Check out Jeff’s work at https://www.jeffharman.com/
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Jeff Harman | Astrology, Ghosts, Aliens and more! | TruthSeekah Podcast YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyO9EV_T28w Transcript source: YouTube captions truth seekers podcast you have any particular outline you want to get into or any things you want to get into truth seeker and all its affiliates are not responsible for any strange phenomena that may occur during or after listening to this podcast which may include the following heightened senses of awareness psychic abilities UFO sightings alien contact time loss out-of-body experiences ringing in the ears ESP lucid dreaming increasing chronicity astral projection telepathy stronger intuition levitation miraculous healings and all remote viewing please be advised to listen at your own decision see speakest and when I don't be you are now locked into the truth seeker podcasting live at Utica come to the paranormal esoteric and all things spiritual ladies and gentlemen we are live this is the true seeker podcast man I'm excited 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Jeff Harmon Jeff welcome to the true seeker podcast man how are you can't hear you Jeff you're pretty low Jeff Jeff are you there man no no it still sounds like you're far away I don't see your video or hear you alright okay here you okay now you can hear me good let's see if we can get the video back here now the video is not coming in what happened is the computer went out I don't know why so let's see if we can't get that to work oh we may have to do it just with audio okay am i coming too clear on the audio yeah you sound good on the audio just no video maybe try turning the video off and back on see if it picks but yeah I have been I've actually been slow there we go we got our fantastic alright welcome to the unit ease of doing a live stream that's how it is it's real life yes going on brother how are you today I'm doing very good very good thanks thanks for having me on do you work in radio do I work in radio I do a lot of radio I used to do a lot of radio commercials I had a recording studio for years and we did a lot of commercials but I never did a lot of narration everybody says I should do that right yeah you got the perfect voice I know I was on your website and singing some of the different media appearances that you've been on and you've you definitely have a wide range and list of some amazing shows that you've been on and so you definitely are no stranger to the the podcast and radio world though right right yeah it's been a lot of fun good stuff so when I've seen your bio and some of the stuff that you bring to the table it's a little bit of everything it's a little bit everything that we talk about on the show so I'd like to cover it all you talking about where we can start what's a good place to tackle I think astrology it seems to be one of your strong points and wondering if maybe we can talk about that from a beginners standpoint for somebody who was just totally Green to astrology and how it affects our lives and things like that yeah yeah yeah well I you know that's that's an interesting topic I was actually a skeptic astrology it was in the mid 70s I had just gotten my driver's license I'm dating myself here and my mother was very accurate at describing issues with girlfriends to the point to where I said what are you doing I said this is way past mother's intuition and she said well I've got their charts I said what do you mean you have their charts she says well I'm doing their astrology and I said well come on I said that stuff doesn't work right and I've always been into mysticism since a young child but I never knew that astrology could really you know interact with the real world and she said she kind of laughed and she said well before you debunk it try it and that's when I started studying it and I was at the time very much into like most young guys are you know it's motorcycles and horses I grew up in the North Woods of Wisconsin it's kind of like Dukes Hazzard up there you know where it's just just a really rural place and long story short the more I got into it it really intrigued me and then as the 80s came in I really started studying with many different people and it started dovetailing back into many mystical experiences that I had when I was a child like I did an astral travel when I was about seven or eight years old it was somewhere in that area and my mother had said to me you know you probably astral projected I had a little guinea pig that died in a cage and I was dreaming that I was standing next to it and I saw it and then I woke up and I ran down the stairs and it was exactly that way so that was kind of my beginning my mystical journey and I read voraciously many many books and studied many many things and it's interesting because throughout my life I've always been brought to a lot of different spiritual and religious things of varied types I got to work with Mother Teresa of Calcutta in the early early 80s I think Oh 79 or 80 right when she had won the Nobel Peace Prize I actually was on a my company we actually recorded and filmed her and and I was doing a series of different a lot of theologians from Rome's and I've done a lot of things with rabbinical texts and and studying and recording people through the studio so it was there's a lot of fun for me and and it's it's really something that found me particularly in the 90s i found that when i got into Vedic Astrology and some of the more ancient egyptian astrology's in the late 80s and early 90s is when it really started taking off for me and I've really never advertised or pushed or written any books yet and it just I kind of amazed I have clients from all over the world and business clients and I do a lot of different I have clients in the government and military and business and a lot of personal readings and I think where it all ends up for me is everyone's seeking like I like to name your show truth sick or we're all seeking to find out who the heck we are I think Vedic Astrology is one area that really helps explain who we are as souls having a physical experience and to me I think that's something we're all you know either actively or somehow subconsciously seeking because it's a challenging place to be but it's also an amazing place to be you know yeah man I you know appreciate those Genesis stories man of we're like tracing it back to where it started and usually you know someone when you was a child and had some type of supernatural otherworldly experience and for me I trace everything back to my childhood and this seed was planted something was birthed in me when I you know was four or five years old having this experience in the middle of the night with shadow beings and things like that and just I think it opens you up to ask ask the bigger questions and so you do you trace everything back to that that first experience yeah I've had a lot of experiences a lot of people would say they're UFOs or I've had a lot of experiences with demons and spirits and angels and it's been pretty wild stuff and that really me into studying that stuff particularly in the 80s and I don't think anyone can ever stop studying that stuff it's very humbling but one of the models that I always really found was was very very instructive was the Kabbalistic models the the very ancient ones when you get into the Enochian very ancient texts the so that many of the ancient Hebrew texts are very informative like the sefar Raziel is actually a book from the Archangel Raziel and that's probably some of the earliest astrology many people believe that it came from Adam and the whole Genesis story like you were saying and it really ancient astrology is so much I think richer then modern astrology and I don't mean to bash modern astrology most people know there are some signs right but in Vedic Astrology you're likely not to be the Sun sign that you were in tropical astrology like everyone will say I'm a Libra or I'm a Scorpio in vedic astrology it's using acid orioles OD AK and if I'm a here I'll just show you if you can allow me to do screen sharing I can actually put something on the screen here that's kind of interesting this is a diagram I often use in sessions with people and of course zoom today is such a an amazing tool I have you know clients all over the world that I'm able to share things with and there's a model where our solar system is going around the central Sun it's known as the precession of the equinoxes it happens about every 26,000 years is about twenty-five thousand seven hundred something years no one's completely in agreement and yeah you just allow me to share it that's perfect so which you'll see here and probably the best diagram to show you is this one right here you could actually see this is the solar system if you will in glyph form this is the Sun Alta Pluto and you can see this is the central Sun we go around that about every twenty five thousand seven or in something years and has cooperated that it's it's actually they say we're doing almost a half of a billion miles an hour around it so fast so that the planets are spiraling well in Vedic Astrology they use this outer wheel and also a lunar zodiac and the whole premise of Vedic Astrology is that were spiritual beings having a physical experience and you could see the soul force energy leaving death to rebirth and of course on and on and on over the hills and the real name of ADAC astrology is actually called Joe tisha which means that's a Sanskrit word that actually means the science of the light of the soul and I have to say it it really it really is it's it's very amazing because all of us are here by the premise of Vedic Astrology purifying and rectifying the soul and when I got into that branch of astrology it really changed my viewpoints and it made me say wow we really are spiritual beings having this physical experience what one of my favorite diagrams to show is this one no matter what your religious faith is everyone believes well let's hope everyone believes that there's a god right and God is of course above all creation and it is believed that our souls are created right about here and this there's no astrology up here this is called this is an Aramaic or Hebrew word called absolute which means divinity and they see there's 49 dimensions and 49 sub dimensions and we've all heard of the seraphim's the cherubims the thrones and the or phantoms that surround the throne of God beneath that there's Briah which is an aramaic word or hebrew word that means actually creation so this is divinity creation and they say there's 49 dimensions and 49 sub dimensions here and of course these are the classes of angels that are believed to rule this it's way down here in what they call the yetze erratic worlds or the world yet Syrah and that is an Aramaic or Hebrew word that means formation this is where the rotating galaxies are and the the you know the planets and all all the black holes and all the physical stuff physics refers to and that's in there they say there could be 49 parallel dimensions in the universe and 49 sub dimensions in each one which is almost incomprehensible when you think about that and our Milky Way just as a little picture of that maybe way way down here and of course our solar systems on the edge of it and the last worlds is a saya saya is the astral planes it is the place of demons and spirits and goats a ghost and of course that's where a saya means action this is where the spiritual action really intermix --is to the earth and of course we've all heard of the fallen demons a lot of people say it's just the devil well it's actually Lucifer Satan Belial and Leviathan and I think what I like about a model like this is you know even though different cultures do this differently like if you get into Vedantic or tibetan or many other models they're similar different names but similar and what we find is who are we well if our souls are created up here we're certainly not our astrology you see what I'm saying we're at the effect of the karmic energies of our astrology and that's kind of why in this plate it shows the psyche spirit and souls kind of spiritual DNA reincarnating over and over and over again until we purify and rectify the blemishes in the soul and that's the philosophy and I actually think that that is correct I mean look at the planet there's so many things going on here it's constant war and and division and all that and yet it's so many wonderful things going on on this planet you know man very interesting I know that astrology is the way to go I know that it's telling our stories is telling the story that were that we're journeying on collectively and visually spiritually it's playing out in the stars and those things and so I know that we everyone should should at least look into it to some degree when I look at the Vedic stuff versus you know classical or whatever what we have now it actually looks like a whole bunch of gibberish it's really hard for me I don't know where to start it can't be yes yeah it looks it looks intimidating I'll say that is it is it hard is it hard do you have to be a master that you really have to give your life over to it or is it something that anyone can pick up and just with a little bit I think anyone can pick it up the key is like anything to be good at anything you have to have the dedication to learn the biggest issue with Vedic Astrology or Joe tisha is there's many branches of it and I think the nomenclature is the hardest thing because you're dealing with a very ancient ancient science that comes from there's many people who believe it could be an ancient form of Tamil than it migrated into Sanskrit then it it's now blended with Hindi so you're dealing with an ancient culture we have to transpose all these terminologies into English to just comprehend it its vast there's many branches there's Maharishi / sharra which was probably the main most people studying Vedic Astrology would study Parashar that's that's the main one then there's Maharishi gemiini there's taja there's crushing oppression as divination alit literally is answering questions and then you have muhurta which is election astrology picking times to get married picking times to take a trip or picking times to you know commence an event and that's called election astrology in the West so yeah it's a whole nother world it really is and I I had started BC before computers and I was like to tell the story I had one teacher he's now gone amazing guy and and what happened he said Jeff you must always catch art by hand so we would draw the charts out you know and color in all the planets from from the what they call an ephemeris or panchanga and he's just seen how you get the feel of this and then I think it was in the late 90s like somewhere around 97 to 99 I came in with the first Vedic Astrology program on a laptop and he's like oh my god because that is so fast he said that's amazing he says I want a copy I said no no no grasshopper you must always catch dirt by hand and he started laughing he goes no no I I wanna I want to copy Isis yes you do so computers have really revolutionized astrology and and it's wonderful because people studying it they get these programs and they've just daunted they're like oh my god what do I do all these different terms and and things that you can do and the problem with astrology programs you have to set them up appropriately there's so many different settings and once you get them right very very amazing tool to have because you can I can calculate things now in seconds that used to take me literally 45 minutes can you use all of them all of what the different modes of astrology like the like the classical ones that we have now versus some of the the the different the Vedic or whatever I do am i my main core go to systems our location astrology which I find absolutely amazing location astrology is extrapolating you're here I'll show you people can actually see it it's kind of nice to see the visual on this so you can see here I'm gonna start a program and this is one that I use a lot and you can see here this is literally a map that'll come up here and you can look anywhere in the world now of course I'm looking at the US right now and you could see you could see like any planet with MC rules career relationships are affected by the DES nomenclature so you have the planets on what we call angles sunrise noon and sunset mid midnight which is different for every individual every single person has their own unique footprint of energy based on the time they were brought in and what's fascinating about that is you also have latitude crossings and then last but not least you have transit so it's very complex like you can actually see if I animate this I'm going in monthly increments here you can see the planets moving back and forth so as planets retrograde and go direct across the globe depending on where one lives it drastically affects the energies coming in and you also have what we call progressions too so it's it's an amazing tool that's one that I use the other one that I use a lot is interrogation astrology which is synonymous with prasanna interrogation means literally asking a question for instance you know I get this all the time where people are in various situations and they'll say you know is this relationship going to work out or where's my cat or you know is my mother's health gonna be okay you can ask all kinds of questions and you know I can't give anyone medical or legal advice but you could certainly get some really good insights into the probability of which way something is going to go and that again many people today call that horror Airy horror Airy as a latinized word that means interrogation or questions and I never liked that word so I always call it interrogation which is actually a hand-me-down from a very ancient astrologer named rabbi Ben Ezra which I liked a lot and he kind of coined that phrase in the 1100s he was actually brought around by kings and queens in kingdoms and he would work with generals in the king or the queen on many many different things also election all times were used to pick times for coronations laying foundations in fact there's actually a mural where George Washington FAC you can see right there that was it I just blew by in here there's a mirror where George Washington had laid the foundation in the United States Capitol at a very specific time or is it I keep blowing by it there it is right there so they actually laid the cornerstone of the Capitol at a very auspicious time you can see he's got his Masonic apron on there see that and interesting stuff so you know Benjamin Franklin dove one of the you know four founders or you could say founding framers was adamant about using election astrology I find freewill has to be in there that you know I don't think people should live their life by astrology but I think it's it's a very powerful tool to see when things can work out and every time I haven't used it I've seen disastrous results in my life and that's why I always go back and say wow I mean I should have used it and it's pretty amazing are these cycles the same every year or or is it or is it different every year Oh God is constantly changing it's an absolute kaleidoscope of change I mean take the world right now I have been you know people years ago we're asking me I I was on coast to coast gotta had to be ten years ago or 15 years ago it was a long time ago and several radio shows and everyone was asking me what do you think of the Mayan calendar and I said not much I said I can't come up with a single thing that is directly going to affect the world with the Mayan calendar and of course 2012 came in 2012 went and you know he said well when does the astrology look like the cycles are coming and you know you mentioned Genesis and we talked a little bit about Enoch well the ancient texts and astrology said that God made changes to the world on Saturn Jupiter conjunctions which anyone study astrology will know happens about every 20 years but about every thousand years they happen in very specific configurations and on the radio show as I said the work the the time that I would be concerned about the world going through transformation and change is 2020 they said why I said because we have a 240 year a sub cycle of Saturn and Jupiter the last time and then that's exactly what happened this January we had a Saturn Pluto conjunction which what do we have we're all wearing masks the whole country the whole world was shut down not just the country and of course we had the the pandemic breakout we've had I'm kind of amazed at how accurate the astrology was this year we had a Saturn Pluto conjunction every time those happen major transformations happen in the world and at the end of this year on the winter solstice of literally on December 21st this year we have a 240 year Saturn Jupiter conjunction and people say well what does that mean well the last time we had something like that was the beginning of the Industrial Revolution and we went from horses you know to literally flying through the the skies and going to the moon and and all the other things that we do and look at the communications you and I are sitting across the country with vivid clarity here ourselves you know and in excellent detail and the world has changed and I think we're going to see a high-tech revolution that is going to be mind-boggling over the next well clearly the next 200 years but for the next we're about ready to rock it all forward it's gonna be like the Jetsons I really think in 10 20 years we're gonna be astounded at where we're at and and the astrology shows that the cycles show it did you happen to watch that our latest interview with Joe Rogan and Elon Musk no he did not no yeah he's there trying to come up with the technology which they already have it they're just trying to implement it where you can put the biochips within the brains and fix your body cure Alzheimer's dementia will be no more living longer all types of entitlement capabilities downloaded with the new program fart to listen to that podcast is intriguing it's beautiful and scary at the same time yeah and scary yeah and and that's that's the problem is is it's a double-edged sword you know we're gonna see I personally think it's very interesting you know and I don't want to get into politics because a lot of people love Trump a lot people hate Trump especially here in California if I say anything that sounds like I like Trump I'm gonna get bricks thrown through my window but but the bottom line is it's very fascinating to me what happened with Tesla speaking of Elon Musk's Tesla I think really cracked the dielectric secrets to the atomic structures of physical matter and today many people refer to that as free energy cold fusion there's many names for it and I think he had it and I think he presented that to JP Morgan and many others and they quashed it they said wait a minute we're pumping oil out of the ground and you want to come along with something that negates it no no way and I don't think the world was ready it's interesting that Hawaii brought up Trump is because John Trump which was Donald Trump's uncle was in CIA and he was part of the team that confiscated all of the Tesla documents or at least probably had access to many of them when Tesla passed away in the New York hotel and I I think there's a lot of things that have been shelved that are probably going to be introduced to society very soon this Saturn Jupiter conjunction that's happening is really truly ushering in a new age and we're going to see a lot of innovators like Elon Musk and many others can you imagine what the military actually really has I mean think about having I know I have a couple clients in black ops and I can't say anything but I can tell you that the the United States is in a unique position because it prints its own money and it sets the global standard for the dollars and and I've heard the amount of money poured into black ops it's just a staggering and no one knows you know no one really what it is and when you have that kind of research power and and resources it's it's got to be mind boggling what's really there I think the reason the society doesn't have it is the structures I mean we go to a gas pump we don't realize when we run that credit card we're paying taxes Road taxes and so many other things and the infrastructure so in order for this to happen it's gonna it's gonna take time it's gonna take you know a lot of changes which I think are coming and I think that's why we're seeing America and the world go through so much drama right now even the George Floyd I could I was amazed because everybody said to me what do you think of the pandemic is that ever gonna end and in Vedic Astrology the moons north and south nodes which are known as eclipse points that's where the Sun and the moon joint were they went into two very malefic lunar mansions and just for anyone here this is kind of cool show you this these are known as the lunar mansions that surround the earth and I always joke around with the astronomers because a lot of astronomers laugh at astrology they really do they think I'll come on it's a joke you know the constellations don't line up well they're right they don't it's a spiritual construct well this is the 27 lunar mansions that surround the earth and of course I just put a picture of the earth here so as the moon which by the way the moon's doing almost Mach two-and-a-half around the earth which is quite fast the moon is they say the soul passes through the body at the first breath the angel ties the spirit psyche and the soul to the body at first breath in Vedic Astrology and that's also a Kabbalistic legend - and I absolutely believe it's true I was in the delivery room when my son was born and witnessed that which was amazing so the lunar mansions are very sacred and they surround the earth and again no matter how much the astronomers polish the lenses on their telescopes they're never going to see this zodiac either because it's a spiritual construct well why did I tell you this is because this year right when the pandemic broke out in fact precisely we had two very important things happen one we had a Collis ARPA yoga that's a strange term in Vedic Astrology that means all the planets were in between the moon's north and south nodes in fact here I can actually show that to you watch and everybody said to me when you think this is gonna start to break and I said right it'll start to break in April but it'll really start to break right at the end of May now watch this you can actually see if you look every single planet here on this wheel is in between this little horseshoe and this little horse you see that every planets on that side of the arc there's no planets right here that's known as a Collis serpent yoga and what does that mean well often they call it a serpent curse but they also mean that it's a very powerful karmic time on energies release well the nodes meaning the moon's north and south nodes were also in these malefic lunar mansions and every time they get in them there's some kind of a strange occurrence on the earth good good example aids broke out on this Kennedy was killed on this we had strange stuff in the 50s on that I think the Hiroshima happened on that the pandemic of 1917 which would killed almost a hundred million people they they guesstimate they documented over 50 million globally we chart that like can you go back yeah sure you can yeah and and I went back and looked at the plague the black plague the quote-unquote Black Plague of London was the same thing they had those same conditions so these have the nodes actually go around the zodiac about meaning the moon's north and south node which by the way for anyone listening who's into Vedic Astrology they called the North node of the moon Rahu and the South node of the moon k2 and Rahu and Ketu are known as the serpent in fact there's an ancient legend that when God gave the immortal potion to the planets this demon snuck in and drunk the potion and the Sun told God this demon snuck in and drank it and threw a discus at it and cut it in half the head became the North node and of course the South node became the South node or k2 was the head became Rahu and Ketu and they're known as the serpent and that's because they kind of serpentine back and forth around the zodiac every eighteen and a half years so what's unique is every eighteen and a half years we're not gonna get a major pandemic but this one was so severe because of the confluence of events you can actually see look at this is Pluto that's Jupiter that Saturn they're all right together right now and watch what happens here right on May 27th if I go forward May 26th of May 27th you could see the moon shoots out past the North node and right after that literally days later mercury broke the khalasar play yoga and that's it so and then people say well okay great the pandemic end and then the George Floyd riots broke out well notice Venus is retrograde too so it's like we went from one thing to the next and the all the rioting and the insanity happened right when Venus went retrograde and Venus retrograde was also synonymous with Lucifer falling or the ancient ketse quatl Mayan myth where something happens some someone in power commits an atrocious act and then there's retribution for it well it's exactly what happened you know we that video was played and everyone went crazy and now the other reason I think the unrest is going on is because we have the Saturn Jupiter conjunction coming in so and and there's a lot more things astrology's not simple we also have the United States chart see they're the designing of the Declaration of the independence is a another thing that astrologers used to look at the cycles just like the birth chart of you and me or anyone you can look at the birth chart of a nation and because the United States is so new it's only two hundred 40-something years old we had that data and there's dispute between astrologers as to which one to use but no matter which one we use I used the Sibley it's named after a mystic named Ebenezer Sibley and that's why they call it the Sibley chart he's believed to have recorded the exact time they documented or were signing it and long story short the United States is going through some serious transformation here over the next two years so no matter who gets in I can tell you they're gonna have a real situation to deal with here with with thee the u.s. going through some very powerful transits that's interesting that's one of the first times that I've heard the I guess the the the moons referred to as mansions and one of the it's a interesting scripture in the Bible says in my father's house are many mansions and it's spin about astrology well yeah and I think it's beyond astrology you know I mean when you look at that model I had spoken about before which you talk about mansions there's literally world's dimensions and worlds here yeah just the astral planes alone are a labyrinth I mean if you have 49 dimensions and 49 sub dimensions down here this is also known as the pouch of the slingshot in many ancient Egyptian and rabbinical texts the pouch of the slingshot is this astral world down here between what they call the sub loner world of the moon and the earth in an astral sense and many physicists are saying that this is quite probable particularly in quantum physics where there are multiple dimensions in in the astral worlds and again many psychics intuitive's are very familiar with this and this is the world of the ghosts of the demons and all that other stuff and III really believe that that is so and the lunar position in the physical world seems to really coincide with well with with something in Vedic Astrology known as the vimshottari dasha which are Time Lords that every soul will experience throughout their lives I am amazed at how accurate it is again I was a skeptic of stralla ji I'm like you know I really was into physics and electronics growing up and always music I love music and you know I don't believe in just theory I have to see some result and the thing with the serology is you see concrete results in these cycles I've seen it in my own life it's absolutely mind-boggling and the religions have demonized it all it's the work of the devil well that's kind of interesting because you know talk about Rome here for a minute the Rome early Roman Church we've heard of like the Naya scene councils and many different councils that had existed in Rome and they basically took the doctrines of reincarnation and threw him out the window and they're one of the few religions on the earth that had done that almost every other culture believes in the potential of reincarnation and afterlife and all that and this world here of a saya is called the pouch of the slingshot in rabbinical tax which means where souls leave when they exit of course life known as death to us and they will oftentimes be in these astral worlds for whatever amount of time it would be and they say the guardian angel there's a celestial court and no one knows exactly where that is but the celestial court appears to be at least with this dimension lined up with this solar system and what's fascinating is they say the angel will attach the spirit soul and psyche like an assignment to the embryo at conception not at birth and you're not in the the embryo but you're attached to it like with the silver cord analogy and then the nine months of gestation you're in Congress with this angel and then right when the child exits the mother's womb the angel ties the spirit psyche and soul to the body permanently at first breath and I never knew that legend was true that's actually it anyone can see that that's a or read about that that's actually in a text called the Zephyr Hagaddah Zephyr means book in Hebrew and Haggadah means legends and it's a fascinating text written by two rabbis out of Russia in the late 1800s and there's several versions of it but I never knew if that was true until my son was born I was holding my wife's hand and I literally saw I didn't see any wings or shapes and I saw two spheres of light and they joined right when he cried and it's my hair and my skin just went I just oh my god it's true and it wasn't even thinking about it you know because my wife had to go with an epidural and c-section and it was kind of traumatic and of course I'm watching a doctor slice my wife's stomach wide open kind of graphic and yank the baby out and all the blood in the fluid so last thing on my mind was angels right and then I see that I'm caught oh my god you know this is amazing and it the energy in the room was so sacred it was so enlightening and I'll never forget going around the table they had they put my boy on this little table and he was crying and he reached I went up over him and he reached up and grabbed my thumbs and stopped crying to look right at me and they can't see you know when when they're first born at least that's what they say and it was that was the most profound experience of my life I have to say that was absolutely amazing oh yeah they say The Guardian oh me a country update I just want to add this before I forget they say that the position of the planets if you take the hebrew letters you can actually get the name of the guardian angel from the moment in time you're born I do that a lot for people on pendants with astral gemstones that I set for people you can actually get the name of your guardian angel how do you do that well you take the the astrology see what you do this just pretend this is someone's birth chart you order the 22 Aramaic or Hebrew letters repeatedly around the wheel it's a mathematical task it takes me about 45 minutes and then you take each planets position and degree and you order that in what we call the Egyptian essential dignities and I'm not so sure they're Egyptian but you know you can see down here this is the Egyptian essential dignities so you order that planets letter that it's in in the Egyptian essential dignities what's even more mind-boggling is there's correspondences in the numerology to the Bible in Genesis the Psalms and many different Old Testament and that's called the Torah and also in the Psalms that numerologically relate to the angel and I've done this for many people and it's kind of mind-boggling because a lot of the phrases match some of the destinies of the soul so I always say forget Trinity Neil and Morpheus this is the real matrix they actually say the angel and this is this is cool watch this if you if you've ever seen I'm sure you've seen the Tree of Life most people have they actually say the human form is imbued with spirit and the positions of the planets on the Tree of Life align with the merits of the soul as its incarnated and then that becomes like a print so your birth chart is literally like a resonant print it's not you it's the resonant print of the journey of the soul in this incarnation so when you look at transits and progressions and dashas it's completely amazing because what it does is it shows the journey of the soul like primary directions in stralla gee are kind of mind-boggling I just lost two really good friends they were very young they were only in their 60s and both died of a heart attack and I was astounded at the primary directions that were in their charts both of them passed away and and you know I don't like to look at that for people who I mean most people they kind of want to know when they're gonna check out and I think you can alter that stuff but it's pretty amazing how accurate the astrology is it really is I'm kind of mind blowing up by it looking at this human experience and this journey of the soul that were undergoing do you think that once we pass do you think that we step into other worlds and and carnate there to learn things and with different experiences as well or do we just keep coming back to this realm in this world as we know it to be earth do you think there's other Express and diminu that we enter into and gotta pass through to learn other things here we learned how to love here we learned how to overcome our fears and you know those kind of things and it's so much that we're learning but a different existence where there's other things to learn and we're incarnated differently with the same soul oh absolutely in fact here's an interesting world of texts let me show you this this is a text for anyone that wants to this is called the Shari huh Gilgamesh are in Aramaic and Hebrew char or char a means gate or gates and hagigah means cycling or recycling so you can see the text is the gate of reincarnation and in this what it talks about there's a model see then the fish is known as the lower psyche there's another analogy I can show you see in psychology this big thick dark line is kind of the demarcation between what maybe a psychiatrist or psychologist would call our conscious mind below here and our subconscious mind is above here notice this planet if anyone knows astrology that is Saturn Saturn is the cross over the crescent of the moon in fact all the glyphs of the planets come from the circle the Crescent in the cross every one of them the Sun they see the physicists certain ones are beginning to agree that the Suns aren't just nuclear fission they could be and I don't know if you've heard of the electrical universe but they could be an interaction that's much different than they originally thought there is other texts that say the reason that the stars and the Suns are so bright is because they're shining down into these lower dimensions from the upper dimensions above we hear this about ascended masters and and you know like when Christ let out his energy and different people that out there energy they're so bright people can't even see well isn't try looking at the Sun some time they say the Sun is like a portal if you will to the upper realms and that's why it gives life and heat and vitality any scientist will tell you the Sun is much more than heat we couldn't live but for seconds without the Sun it's putting so much energy into these lower worlds or at least our lower world for sure and the other ones so the principle and this is deep stuff to answer your own question I certainly don't claim to have all the answers but they say the lower psyche is then the fesh the rosh is the spirit the nemah is the lower portion of the soul and incarnations on earth keep happening until we purify and rectify the soul so that we can move on to these upper worlds and I attach you a question I believe absolutely we could incarnate one time we could incarnate thousands I certainly don't know I know Vedic Astrology is astounding you can see where your soul root comes from on the tree of life and here I'll just cast a chart in Vedic Astrology so people can see since we've got the ability to go visual here this is I'll just cast a chart here to just show you what this is one type of Vedic Astrology it's it's the northern Indian you also have the southern Indian charts that look like this but neither one can be used but again Vedic Astrology has these over here they're known as carcass you can see what kharkom means in plain English is indicators an A K means the Atma kharka which is the soul roots indicator so every one of us has that the zodiac and I should say the entire heavens is this exceedingly complex matrix of angelic forces that the soul is imprinted through as it incarnate s' so we're not our strong G modern astrology I call it love light and cluelessness everyone oh my son the sign and the internet has become so enlightened with sunshine astrology and there is some truth to it because the lower psyche is is definitely the egoic sense of self is the Sun so we all have an ego and we all have our sense of self but that's not us and I think once we get past that all the great spiritual teachers tell us that you know once we become more stoic less reactive and learn to be in connection with our higher self or a higher consciousness we stop becoming so angry and violent and all that and we start really receiving maybe the upper consciousness that we all have and that has blocked a lot by the ego and what's interesting is Saturn seems to be the escaped from Alcatraz planet if I go back to this diagram this will kind of blow your mind you know what Mallika's means that's the earth if so does the moon that is Venus that's mercury that's the Sun that is Jupiter that's Mars guess what vineya is Saturn so when you look at the psyche the spirit in the lower portion of the soul we come here to rejoin this in incarnations through the purifications every reading I do including in my own life we all say God why do we have to in or this relationship or this situation why is so-and-so mad at me or why did I end up you know in a situation that I grew up like this in Vedic Astrology people always think I'm psychic too they go how did you know my mom was that way my dad was that how did you know that you know this happened and I'm saying because it showed up in the progressions and transits in your Vedic Astrology and they're like wow like I met my my wife about 23 years ago now at a gas station in Malibu and you know you know I guess meeting someone at a gas station is too too intriguing sounding but if you put malleable in there it sounds better right so anyways we we ended up meeting at a coffee shop later and I brought my computer with me and I asked her chart and the first thing I noticed was Wow what happened to you at about two and a half three years old and you know she gets a little bit of a tear in her eye and and she says that's when I was given up for adoption and my aunt adopted me well how would I know that because the primary to see the positions of the planets to keep this simple in plain English when you're born the positions of all the planets will progress in what we call primary directions which is a fancy term for the motion of the earth daily and when you view these you can see the riddles of life unfolding and she had the primary directed moon conjunct tting Saturn almost precisely two and a half years later after birth right off the bat I just had a client the other day I said oh my god what happened to you you poor girl and at about three years old is it just before four she had the primary directed moon opposing Mars well her mother left her and and she was raised by her father her mother just left so I see this all the time like I had a horrible motorcycle accident in the late 70s and I go with that causa and I noticed primary directed Mars was conjunct mercury almost to the T and I see this throughout all that we all are given challenges and a lot of the religious stuff is really accurate that we are here too you know purify and become more spiritual and holy you know the problem is is everyday life doesn't lend to that we're all in this modality of you know attack and balance the checkbook get the job that we don't like or you know endure all these things and a lot of them are karmic lessons they really are and it's our reaction to them that makes a difference man so many questions and so much good stuff there's a bunch of people enjoying it in the chat there's some people here who are familiar with the Vedic Astrology as well so oh yeah supposing so you know we spent we spent the first hour talking about astrology and know we can keep going on about it there's some other things that that we mentioned as well and you you mentioned having these experiences with what some people call UFOs and things like that and how that took you to another level of whether it's spirituality or just these experiences and things like that what were some of those encounters with UFOs and things like that I've had a lot God tell me where can I start well I'll tell you one that happened to me that was really kind of mind-blowing I used to be in a musical group and we we would play and and I was coming home from a girlfriend's house late one night on a motorcycle this is God that said to be like 1975-1976 was a long time ago and I'm going along this is way up in northern Wisconsin and I'm going along a lake called big st. Germain and I noticed out of my review or out of my mirror on my left side I saw a flash of yellow light wow that's weird you know it's three o'clock in the morning and I look up and I'm in the middle of the woods right cruising down this really desolate road is like Sleepy Hollow up there and I look and I see this triangular shape up above the trees I thought okay that's kind of weird and had this luminescent look tonight I hit the gas and I'm going along and there's a lot of lakes up where we lived it's way up in the woods and I got to our lake which is called Lake and I was coming down the road and I took a left going now going along the lakeshore and about probably a quarter mile up the bike dies completely dies just done I mean no lights nothing and I thought okay and at the time I smoked everybody smoked in the 70s right so I took my big lighter out and I I light it and I check and I remember had a little tool kit was a little tool kit underneath the battery and I arced the battery with - with a with a wrench and a screwdriver nothing I mean just dead I thought well that's strange so just a little ways up the road I knew a friend was there and you know at 3 o'clock in the morning I come knocking on the door and I said mister Lera Madison said hey do you mind if I started to wake you up do you mind if I put my bike down here because you know I explained what happened and he was they said yeah I'll help you push it down so he comes up to the road of me this is a long driveway he's the one to notice it he saw the same thing up there way off above the trees he says what the heck is that and I said well that's interesting because I saw the thing up above me over on big st. Germain and he said wow that's kind of weird look at and it was coming down really really slowly I used to track these things so put the bike there he gave me a ride home because I still had a few miles to go and next morning I took the pickup truck and came with my mother came over because she was gonna drive the truck home and and in case it started and I went over there and was ready to load the bike up and I figured well maybe I'll just try it I hit the key hormone thing just starts right up perfect battery perfect and of course you know no explanation but I think that I think shut me down so I've had many experiences like that I've had missing time where we've ended up on other sides of roads I've had spiritual demons come in and like grab me by the neck when I'm sleeping and drive it away and that got me this not now enters the 80s I had this really interesting and fascinating journey I was hired by this spiritual organization actually a couple of them to do these radio shows and with my studio and we would do audio-visual stuff and radio and some video a little bit of film that's how I ended up filming mother Teresa of Calcutta and I started recording all these theologians coming over from Rome in the place called the bellermine retreat house in Chicago and it was really fascinating because I was exposed to all this different religious theologies and of course me meeting Mother Teresa was really cool she was very very sweet hardly said anything and I got the recorder and film her for about two and a half hours in a little town called Kenosha Wisconsin and long story short as time went on I just was really blessed to be exposed to so many different things both in Christianity Judaism and Hinduism and Tibetan and you know Taoist all these different things and Buddhism and it's it's always been a fascination to me that they all believe in God but they all believe in a completely different and there's truths very one of them and I'm thoughtless where does all this fit with astrology and clearly we are in a very divine diverse place here that it's all going on here on earth it really is this is this is a really amazing place of such diverse karmic energies I mean you can do anything here you can you can get angry and kill someone which I would highly recommend no-one do because the karmic implication to be on that alone let alone the horribleness of that is not recommended and then you can do the most divine things you could heal you can you know be kind to people and and really nurture and make wonderful things on this planet so it's it's the place of freewill it really is and I think the ghosts and demons are pissed off at us in a lot of them not so much the ghosts as much as the demons because I really think they were cast I think the Genesis story is much more accurate than meets the eye and it appears that they really don't like human beings they despise us because we have the free will but if they can lead us they certainly will you think they're jealous of us and they need a host to kind of like feel what it feels like to be human again or be or not human but having a physical existence again I think that's part of it yeah I mean we hear these the books of Enoch are very fascinating and there's overwhelming evidence that has been presented by some really good minds that the New Testament was largely influenced by the Book of Enoch and they found Ethiopian text there's Egyptian and different versions of it and that appears to be pre and alluvion and it speaks about how the demons have copulated with women and of course we hear the story of the Giants well there's military guys who will tell you that they've seen strange phenomena underground giants different places this stuff has kept very very secret I know I've seen a lot of people have heard a Bigfoot right but I've seen some stuff up in the woods that was pretty inexplicable I I'm I'm not that tall him about maybe six three six three and a half and I was walking in the again the 70s and I saw this huge individual I mean the be eight feet tall I mean just towered over me and hardly crunched I just heard the snow crunch a little bit I was walking up and on dark night to a friend's house and this guy turned around whatever he was he didn't look like a sasquatch he just looked like a huge individual he turned around and saw me it was probably about a hundred yards away so I couldn't see was it was pretty dark he turned around and ran silently and went through the brush and I know that brush you could not a deer couldn't go through that brush and not break a twig and that that dude was gone and I went up to my friend's house we went down there with lights and we're looking we saw these huge footprints and pretty wild stuff so there's a lot of stuff going on on this planet that is very secret I believe the black ops in the military are very familiar with this stuff I mean we've heard all the stories about the underground bases and all this crazy stuff going on there's probably a lot more truth to it than we know for some reason it's not allowed to be exposed at this time to the secular public I mean we know they go out of their way to keep it secret and I think the government has probably been interacting I mean we've heard about lieutenant Philip Corso I'm sure you've heard of him right the whole Roswell thing and in fact my wife Camille who wrote for UFO magazine in the late 90s early 2000s I was exposed to a lot of really wonderful researchers and I work with remote viewing people at both outside of the military and some I can't mention but it's I've done research and we found that the celestial energies meaning astrology and positioning of fixed stars and planets have a huge effect on remote viewing and they see all kinds of stuff it's it's pretty bizarre what goes on in this planet and it's also bizarre to me how it's kept so secret many guys in the military will tell you they have seen phenomena documented on radar and scientific instruments right off the coast of Malibu here there's this huge underground tunnel and they've documented these craft come out of there and they go from like nothing to you know warp speed if you will I mean it's just thousands of miles an hour anything we'd have would burn up trying to do that have you been up to Mount Adams where our james gilliland is and Washington oh no I have not no yeah it's pretty pretty interesting they're seeing all these type of UFOs and crafts and things like that that they are kind of kind of summoning if you will going out onto the night sky and kind of making contact and there's a lot of activity in and around mountains which are interesting there's portals and opening up that they're catching on camera and lights coming out of the mountain and flying away and coming into the top of a mountain and things like that even round volcanoes we've seen UFO activities around volcanoes and such as well it you know that that's a great topic you bring up mountains what's in a mountain all kinds of minerals crystals right what would it when you think about minerals and crystals I mean even in our computers the chips still use crystals the time so it's it's amazing when you look at they could be very complex switches dimensional switches that the mineral compositions allow I mean we're just beginning to understand I think the future is very bright when it comes to technology and Sciences I really do I think we're unfolding we're just scratching the surface of what this whole world is all about and existence you know quantum physicists will tell you that everything is made up of molecules and atoms right but what's really connecting them what's holding them in these patterns they're all like little solar systems if you will the only difference between gold and plastic and air is the molecular construct it's all just energy it's all just energy and to manipulate that if one knew and I believe Tesla was cracking into that and that's that's the golden secrets that I think are gonna become unfolded I personally think his angels holding everything together I really really do we ain't smart enough to figure that one out yeah have you had any experiences or any counters and encounters any visions of that kind of kind of thing well yeah I know you've talked about the demonic riding these ETS or all items but what about like the beautiful and will it make you feel good type of beings as well yeah I've actually been saved by some of them miraculous I think we all have or we wouldn't be drawing breath we're just so far out of touch with it you know when you take that model again this is just a nice way to speak about it they say the upper angelic realms hold these guys in a band and I don't think the world would exist if they didn't they say the guardian angel of the Thrones brings us souls down into creations and I do say that plurally so there isn't just earth and I think once we get done with the work that we need to do here I think like you mentioned earlier we move on to many other worlds and many other dimensions and heavens and I mean God would only know literally what what what those are and I think those upper angels thank God literally hold these guys in abeyance you know we hear the stories one of the most probably utilized magical texts is the keys of Solomon and I think it's very dangerous I really do not subscribe to magic in everyone who's familiar in the Western world with the Bible we'll certainly know what Exodus is well Exodus has 72 encrypted angel names there's actually 72 to the good and 72 to the evil and there's many ancient texts that describe this and you if you permeate the three letters in the well there's there's permeations of the three verses I should say not three letters those three verses that give you the names of all these angels well they're known in Hebrew as the Shem hema for Sh well that's the cornerstone of many medieval grimoires and magic and it's very dangerous stuff because what happens is people get ahold of this stuff and they start summoning demons and spirits and this stuffs are really real um and the angels appear to protect us from that other than maybe our karma until we open those doors that's why I run into a lot of folks hey what do you think of this I don't stay away from anybody you dial that number and and this again is goes right back too many Christians will remember what did Christ do he cast out legion he did this he did that and this is all about spiritual deep possession and spiritual cleansing well if the upper angels weren't allowing that this place would wouldn't even exist you know we all these horrible wars and things seem to it seems to be free will is allowed here I mean look at the things we do to each other we sue each other we kill each other we do horrible things but on the other hand no one looks at the beauty that's going on here I mean just life itself I don't you find me any educated pompous arrogant person and many of them are though a lot of them are very humble who can design life I mean just look at we can split jeans and and do genetics but you find me somebody who can actually take raw substance materials out of the elemental universe and design life not a chance not a chance I mean they define an extent and fold in you we were all little babies and that seed just grows I mean the doctors can tell you why you're alive and they can analyze you in the allopathic sense of what's wrong but they sure can't create life or maintain it when it's over when that spirit vacates the body and I think that's all the Angels we're all experiencing all the time we're just so blocked from it what do you think about you talking about like you know I'm saying being careful with magic and things like that what about channeling kinda you help people who have gone through a lot of spiritual crazy stuff that they've kind of opened up doors and just kind of helping them out and things like that what about channeling do you think that people can become demonically possessed or oppressed by opening up their mind and their spirit to letting other spirits inhabit their body and give them downloads of secret information or privy information and things like that I think it's a dangerous area um I know I could do that and I do not choose to do so I know I do clearings on people and I have seen sometimes you just can't do it until the time is right that's where astrology is really interesting there seems to be here's here's an interesting thing the the in Vedic Astrology went on strategy but in the pedantic literature so you gotta remember Vedic Astrology is only a small branch of Vedanta it's it's so amazing the the secrets that were in the ancient Vedantic texts and many people may have heard of the Upanishads so the Upanishads there's the major and minor Upanishads they're kind of like scriptures and there's one called the tatry akka where it mentions in sanskrit the word graha actually means planet and graha also means Caesar or grasper of the hora and a lot of times the dashas that were in there are certain you could say karmic things going on see in Hebrew they call it an impure they say that at 13 years old that's why Judaism has the bar mitzvah Bob Bat Mitzvah ritual but that's actually not just your main to Judaism that was actually known that that happened in Vedanta and also knew the Tibetan Lamas and many other cultures knew that at that time different angelic forces would join the body this is why when puberty happens it's such a teenager's completely change any parent could have met when you watch your little children turn to teenagers they change they drastically changed not only do they go through puberty but they also personally really change and the these angels and spirits they're called abused some people call them dubuque some people call them different things but there's a myriad of different things that join us throughout our lives and I really believe the celestial angelic Courts show that and the text I was referring to earlier the Shari huh Gilligan all about that it speaks about how we're all here purifying and rectifying and rejoining the fragments of the soul spirit and psyche as we go through these incarnations and we're definitely connected from a soul root standpoint to our parents in our lineage you know like we get our DNA tests and we say oh I'm from France or from you know wherever that's just the the physical DNA I'm talking about the spiritual DNA the the actual spiritual soul root connections which may or may not be genetically traceable and but they're spiritually traceable and Vedic Astrology really taps into that even though I don't think we can go too far but you can see a lot and I I know when I try and get around channeling I get danger i I think you're now agreeing to open up your aura and other things can jump in one of my favorite texts was dr. Karl Wicklund he was a psychiatrist who documented a book called thirty years among the dead and his wife was a channel and she liked Abraham Hicks I noticed you have her and one of your songs I was listing your songs you got good music by the way yeah yeah I was checking out your music before I got on the show and I love that you have Abraham Hicks embedded in you know chanting in one of your songs that's really awesome and she was quite amazing because it still is because she there's many channels like I've met Daryl unka who is of course Bashar and many others and I think there's some wonderful channels out there I just personally think it's dangerous there's some people who may be karmically set up for that but I do believe doctor like dr. Karl Wicklund wife after 30 years of taking in dis incarnate Souls and allowing them to give their you know messages and and various different things I would recommend anybody read that book it's called thirty years among the dead by dr. Carlin it is a psychiatrist's absolute documentation in my opinion of all these people dis incarnate souls and their stories are astounding and by the way dr. Wicklund was the head of the los angeles county mental institution from I think nineteen eighteen or nineteen twenty up until the late 30s or 40s my name have been later than that and he was really here during the birth of Hollywood and he had many stars show up and warn people don't get into drugs stay away from alcohol all these different people would come through his wife channeling well in the very end she ended up possessed and and insane and they they couldn't cure her so even though I think a lot of people get some benefit and validation of the other worlds it's it's a dangerous place to be you know and I have great respect for those who can do it and not get possessed that way I think think there's I think there's there's a lot going on too then then just you know I'm opening up my mind to these other spirits I think that a lot of people actually put together a little documentary that I did where like it almost seems that a lot of these this information that these some of these channel channelers are getting is already within them like they are out like it's a it's a part of their psyche that they're not confident in sharing but as you have the scapegoat as Bashar Bashar will tell you like it is I'm I'm you know kind of withdrawn I'm not confident but as I step into this persona this character that I've created I can I can freely receive information and parts of things that I believe in things like that but even even in you going into some type of a trance state like that you're able to kind of even begin to flow and stuff just kind of moves like in that flow state as well so I think there's a lot of people doing that and calling it channeling other entities but it's they're kind of using that entity as a scapegoat as a mask if you will well yeah I've seen that too I think we're all so divinely unique every one of us has skillsets that someone else doesn't have and you know I think one of the things that is so important today more than ever with AI coming in and technology and I think this world we're seeing the suppression of our own individuality and the suppression of our own consciousness is the danger because you're unique and in your unique ways everyone else is unique in their unique ways and we're all here for a special reason and I think the more we honor that and respect that in each one of us because there are some people I've met who do channeling their astounding their astounding and you know I have my skillsets and I have my limitations we all do and I think one of the things I like doing in readings to people is pointing out certain things there's angels that are on the degree rising and there's angels that rule every single degree of the satiereal and lunar mansions it's very complex but these have great insights to show someone where their skills might lie that they didn't even realize that they had you know one of the things I like about America is you can be anything you want I mean nobody's telling you you can't do something and you know one things that kind of bothers me right now is you know we need to maintain that freedom in this country to where not to get political or anything but as long as we can always maintain that people have a right the matter with the race with their Creed what their color doesn't matter we're all just Souls having a physical experience and I think we're gonna find as time goes on we're all just gonna integrate and I think if we become more aware that we are spiritual beings having this physical experience the more we can stop looking at education and all these very lower-level programming things not that education is bad because I education is wonderful but I also think it limits true innate spiritual talents were all born with and have that you know could be cultivated and that's where astrology really can shine is seeing that you know seeing that seeing your path or being more open to the possibilities of your path it's awesome really good well Jeff if somebody wanted to book a session with you wanted to check out more of your work where would be a good place for them to go Jeff at Jeff Harmon commnets har ma ENCOM Jeff at Jeff Harmon calm and emails always the best my wife Camille is amazing with people and she she handles all the scheduling which is wonderful but it's funny you know one last thing I'd like to say I've always you know had a diverse set of talents I've always worked in film and music and audio and I used to do for forensics work I used to go into maximum-security prisons and print with prisoners and it's so I've been so blessed to see this wide verse the diversity of life and I always wondered and that's where astrology always kept with me I like why does this one poor individual end up you know in this situation and another one in them and that one another one or this one and when you start looking at astrology not as us but as a lesson we all are here to learn in a very divine way it starts making more sense and I think the most powerful thing in the universe is a reaction there's one thing they will never control and that is your ability to react to things you know the way we respond to a given situation is everything you know it really is it's it's our ability to respond in the appropriate ways that that helped us a lot I agree I think freewill is one of the most holy and precious things that we have and again mentioning those other entities they they don't really have it they're kind of created to carry out jobs and things like that and and and they can't go outside of that and so absolutely a lot of them are jealous of and when they do they step out of the you know the the order of things if you will and then they get punished in there's punishments for them as well and and just like us when we step out of our duties and jobs and our push our limitations to different realms or whether you talk about some of this dark magic and trying to create bonds and get secret information from demons or jinn or something like that you know we fall into trouble many times as well so extensible hierarchy in order I'm I'm intrigued with it and I've experienced and encountered a bunch just like you and it seems like you uh you have a soft spot for the Kabbalistic wait way of thinking is that is that a safe plate place to study well I would say of us a soft spot for both of authentic and the Kabbalistic and Egyptian and Sheldon the the reason why is because it's a system that is more cohesive you can relate to it I only use those diagrams because it is a really cohesive way to look at something that's so vast and so incomprehensible I mean when you start talking about the possibility of 49 parallel universes 49 sub dimensions within each one I mean that's mind-boggling and the same thing when you look at the astral worlds and it's very interesting because a lot of very rational psychiatrists dr. Edith Fiore if anyone wants to read a wonderful book it's called the unquiet dead by dr. Edith Fiore you may have heard of it dr. Louise Frye who just passed away in her 90s wonderful lady was a medical doctor who got sick and tired of medicating and doing surgeries and said there's something else going on here she became a hypnotherapist she started doing regressions and finding out that people were actually possessing other people and what and the reason Eileen most towards the vedantic and Kabbalistic and Tibetan stuff is because they it's so old and it's so structured that you can talk about vast things like this in in easier ways and it also nowhere can you come up with the and this will blow your hair back the exceedingly complex numerological web of angelic forces and and things that inter tie with the Western Bible then you can in the Aramaic and Hebrew ciphers a lot of people don't know the Psalms was originally called tehilim what still is and in Judaism and in Hebrew but the shamash tehilim predates the Bible as we know it the the some of the Psalms can date back to 1500 BC let's do the math here folks that's almost 4,000 years ago yes 3,500 years ago and and and they don't know but that's the best guess from many scholars and there are secrets embedded in that where you can use ciphers and many people are familiar with this they're called the well there's many types of ciphers but the most common ones used where you rearrange you like an odd bash is one that's used the most that's a lift Tov bet and Shin where you literally order the Hebrew alphabet and that and you pass a verse or scripture through that you will come up with an angelic name or a numerological equivalent to that and now when you get back to ancient astrology and you forget about Pisces and Aries and all this Airy fairy stuff you start seeing oh my god there was a matrix that your soul came in on that's pretty mind-boggling and and it ties into these ancient texts particularly in the rabbinical texts where the pouch of the slingshot is the astral world souls dwell in and tell their reincarnated or until they purify and move on they and Saturn seems to be the escaped from Alcatraz planet and and what's interesting many ufologists a well we see all these crafts coming in and out of there well there's something coming in and out of there I can tell you that I've seen it and whatever it is it certainly seems to be a very divine place here where a lot of pain a lot of love and all points in between go on to purify and rectify the soul and I think the ancient rabbinical texts there's a library that was found in the 1700s that was over 2,000 years old it was known as the Cairo ginza synagogue in Egypt blow your hair back below I mean I've been pilfering through those things forever and I mean oh my god talk about journey of the souls it is in Rome will not look at it they throw everything in the bottom of the Vatican and you're all sinners and you're all going to hell you know so I mean it's not that I think Christianity is the problem I just think some of the forefathers throughout documents that you know blow your hair back oh yeah have you heard of the recognitions of Clemente have you heard of that writing no I have not that's interesting what is that it's yeah really interesting there's some really cool parts an area to talk about how demons get access to a person's body through the digestive system in gorging oneself haha and things like that and wine and stuff and so there's some really intricate stuff in there I think he was a disciple of Peter and Barnabas yeah yeah why I know where he got that stuff I can tell you that if you crack into the the older texts which is the again Sharia gilgamesh system is where a lot of these Christian writers had gotten that stuff and they're right they're absolutely right yeah you can get that from plants this is where blessing of food came from see in the Sharia gilga MIT talks about how evil souls will be possibly incarnate as employer back in the mineral kingdom the animal kingdom or the plant kingdom or the human Kingdom there are stories that are mind-boggling where a person will actually get incarnated in some inanimate object in their consciousness or in a leaf and they'll blow and this stuff sounds incredible like how could you possibly put the consciousness of human being into something like that and then when that leave dies that that is over with I just I'll tell you a quick story that just happened to me that is really amazing my son went into an animal shelter about what was it probably 50 14 years ago and this beautiful little kitty was going to be killed and he just looked at it said oh my god mom and dad he says can I take it home they're gonna kill it and I said sure so bring her home well we named her Katie right and that was a very unusual cat and we always kept her in the house and just the last few years here in California we started letting her out and I said I am worried about this cat she's domesticated something's gonna get her because we got a lot of coyotes where we live and I was petting her on the couch about a year ago and she looked up at me and I looked into her aura and I saw this tortured soul inside of her and I'm petting her and I went oh my god someone's in you I could see this soul this this human soul I could see it and I actually saw the eyes in through her and I know what I saw and I just had such a change and I thought wow what a tortured soul inside of her and then she would be outside well just about a week ago our dog got sick and she she had diarrhea and it was very gross anyways we had to clean it up in the bedroom because she sleeps in the bedroom with us and outside I heard Katie the cat making these wild sounds and I let the dog out and our dog started barking like crazy and I knew something's not right here something really the energy felt really kind of demonic and strange and I saw Katie flying through the air and she grabs onto this tree and then the dog was barking it was very weird energy and I know that's like demonic energy I could tell and that was the last time we ever saw Katie and I then saw a coyote right underneath the tree outside the fence and I think she came down and it got her and she's gone and I actually looked at a chart the cats gone and I think that soul was released now that sounds crazy but if you look at some of the ancient egyptian tibetan Vedantic and rabbinical texts they'll talk about how cats have a very interesting parallel of imbuing Souls at times that's why cats have always been said they're mysterious they're they're very strange and I know Katie and we miss her so much because I know she was killed and I heard it I heard and I couldn't get to her because it was outside the fence I heard and it was thank God she died quickly but death they actually say is a purification and you know to those who want to end their lives early I would say do not do that because God has a plan for when we are to vacate this body and I think it's very important that we live out our lives and and and get this release meant because a lot of evil Souls you know they may escape the courts of human beings but from what I see in astrology we're not going to escape the divine Court they actually say Angels beat the heck out of us when we lie in front of the celestial court when we're brought there and food is to be blessed to release Souls they say in salads and and meats or whatever else your diet is you're supposed to bless this food to release any spiritual energy that's on it so it doesn't come in you so you not only think of God for the future your blessing it to release any energies on it and there there's you say I like the Kabbalistic stuff and I'll tell you why there are rabbinical texts that I have they're called unifications and purifications where you can actually unify fragments of your soul through certain very deep numerological prayers and permutations and then there's also what they call unifications where you can unify with certain angelic forces and saints very fascinating stuff yeah yeah I'd uh there's so much to talk about and I think there's you know I think we have a lot of pieces of truth you know that I think it's enough for us to you know that that actually leads us into discovery to ask the questions or to try things I mean I can't tell you I mean how I know sounds crazy but trying to communicate with my animals as well like hey are you a person just want to know like if you did are you you know cognitive do you remember English like yeah all of these things and then even like I had one dog who man she was the cutest little puppy and we uh she had a she was vicious though cutest little dog but vicious I mean she would just attack other animals her name was Casey and we called her Katie there's interesting you said oh well but I remember like cuz she had this anger that she would just attack man and I remember burning sage around her and she like she did not like it like she would panic but the other dogs would be okay but I would hold to say it's close to her and try to like pray over her or see if there was a demon that needed to come out cuz she was fishing the cutest little animal and but yeah just you know makes you ask the bigger questions and just to try it like you never know you feel silly doing it you know but what if you know I think like Jesus like spinning in the ground and making it mud and putting it in somebody's eyes like seems silly right if one of our friends did that but what if the person gets healed after he does it like hold on there's some kind of alchemy or knew something there was some kind of connection with his faith with that mud or something was going on that he understood and so if you don't try it if you don't step out after having these experiences whether it's the UFO or ghosts or ancestors or anything like that it'll just be something that's fleeting but I think it goes to show someone like yourself someone like me and many others who I would say have been privileged to have many experiences versus some people who haven't had any in their entire life at least cognitive of it but how can some people not have any and then we go on to have like every day is a magical experience and expectancy of entities and angels and aliens and UFOs and those things and so I think that just taking that step out you know to to say hello or to try to find that repeatability if you will with the the different realms that were in contact with throughout the day yeah I think we're all have them I think just a matter of being open to them you know that I mentioned dr. Karl Wicklund he absolutely did not believe in anything spiritual here's a dyed-in-the-wool psychiatrist you know in order to be psychiatrist you first have to be a medical doctor and then after he became a medical doctor he went you know into psychiatry and during his internship he said they were doing dissection on cadavers and there was all kinds of paranormal things like the papers would blow II hear voices of the person's spirit that was next to the body they were working on and he just pooh-poohed he jot that stuff's nonsense right and so dr. Karl Wicklund moved to Los Angeles I think this is 1918 don't quote me it's in the book and it's talk about psychics and spirit and and channels as fate would have it he went to a party and met this beautiful woman became smitten with her and wanted to marry her right well here's a guy who didn't believe in anything spiritual nothing out of the norm and what is she she's a channel she's a spiritual psychic Channel and apparently because of his love for her and he respected you know that she was very intelligent he later undertook a very detailed scientific analysis as to whether she was crazy or not and this is all in the book and I'm paraphrasing of course so if I'm not 100% accurate anyone could get the book and read it and the story was he had and remember this is the late teens early 20s before recording you know this is back you know when you had the dictaphone you're just coming in from Thomas Edison you know so he apparently he had someone taking shorthand or something it's in the book and what happened was his wife took in a spirit who looked at dr. Carl Wicklund and by the way I didn't mention this dr. Carl Wicklund is the guy who popularized shock therapy treatment which is being used to this day some hideous stuff right why do they use shock therapy treatment well when people get schizophrenic or they get multiple personality disorder there when they shock them it somehow changes it well and here's why it drives out the possessing entity and often times they're dissing carnot souls rather than demonics and which we would call dead people or ghosts right well so here's here's the the way this all came about this book dr. Carl Wicklund is listening and this person in his wife's body said you're the one who's been shocking me with that body and he says what what do you mean and the person says well don't you remember you you came out with these probes and you were hitting me with this lightning and then the person began to describe in grave detail all the things that went wrong I guess something really went wrong and things were knocked over and the person went crazy and he said there's no way you could know this all these details and what I said to you unless you were there and the person says well of course I was there and he says by any chance do you wear a wedding ring in a dress and he looked down he said no OB says but oh my god you're right I'm controlling someone who has a wedding ring in it he says well apparently you're dead as people know it and you're possessing my wife's body and the guy said well that makes sense cuz nobody listens to me anymore and I get apparently he was owned a drugstore and all his employees couldn't hear him anymore because he was a ghost he was literally running around tried to talk to people a lot of folks don't even know they're dead from many of these reports and I find the same thing when I do clearing on properties and people a lot of these I've seen literally people from 400 years ago still dwelling on properties that they don't even know they're dead they're guarding the place you know they're just in their own psycho nomadic dimension if you will if anybody wants to read about some of this stuff one of my favorite books have you ever heard of The Magus of struggles I have not it's an amazing text he's a Christian mystic who lived on the island of Cyprus he lived in the city of Stroh Veloz and I encourage anyone to read that book if anyone wants to question whether or not were spiritual beings having a physical experience so that book will blow your hair back the truths in that will blow your hair back it's one of my favorite texts to recommend he's now gone he died in 2001 but his work is carried on by many but he was amazing and he back to dr. Carl Wicklund he talked about how the person in his wife's body you know no one could hear him and he then saw his mother who had died like 4050 years earlier and he said oh my god there's my mom and so he in dialogue the doctor got this dis incarnate soul to leave his wife's body and go off into the light and here's what's the clincher the patient in the psyche psychiatric ward in Los Angeles cleared up 100% no more multiple personality disorder no more psychotic reactions and he ended up discharging a very short time afterwards and that was the beginning of 30 years of research among dis incarnate Souls through his wife channeling and I encourage anyone to read that because it is a an amazingly well written text that went out of print I think in the 70s and now it's back in print it's I I I've talked to many psychiatrists I have a lot of clients who are in psychiatry and psychology in prisons and we discuss things in Vedic Astrology and other types about cycles and why certain souls are doing what they're doing and it's very fascinating stuff yeah I mean I'm into you know I approach to from the Christian mystic or Hebraic perspective as well and so when I first started out I got into summoning spirits and all types of different magic I was combining a bunch and uh ended up getting possessed if you will and almost lost my mind and things like that and this was back that's what else that I ended up coming back home and like crying out to God for help and it was through church and prayer and jesus and things like that I was able to find solace and so there's a right way in a wrong way to to dance with the other realms I think we're I think we are dancing with them whether we know it or not right some people are just victims and other people are Victor's when it comes to it I think it comes down to whether you know it or not plays a big role so then you can learn maybe some of the rules of engagement astrology right some of the ancient texts and demons and how they operate angels all of that and so that's where it comes in for me and many other people who were intrigued but there is a right way and a wrong way to do it and possession is very real you know it's very real oh that's an interesting background you've got there trying to help people navigate through this like you don't want to just do the Christian exploding stay away from it because it's not like it's our birthright we are these spiritual beings and but it's about you know I don't want to stifle exploration but we have to use precaution and things as well well that's an interesting topic you bring up there because I was exposed to some really rural folks back in the 80s and I was warned angelically not to get involved with it and they were approaching me we've all been around these cults these different things and I also was working and I want to mention any names or sex or religions that I've studied and been around and I've always been warned stay at a distance look from the distance don't get in there but but look and see and I always like prying the lid back and looking at and studying some of their documents and texts but not getting engaged one of the things that is exceedingly dangerous nokey and magic the keys of solomon the lesser greater keys all these the golden dawn golden dawn everyone knows about of course as we know the golden dawn was really created by AE weight and matters and I think one other individual finding a bunch of books in a book stall in London that's how the golden dawn came about in the eighteen hundreds and everybody thinks oh they were all these great mystics well they might have been but they stumbled onto these documents and texts which interestingly enough was from a lady out of Germany now go back to Hitler go back to Germany and all the occult stuff that's gone on there Germany's a very interesting little place I mean it's created two world wars but a cult wise let's take Luther let's just take the Christian religion do you ever hear the city of worms in in Germany it's an amazing little city that's where Luther was tried for here see there the Romans sent a brigade of Roman soldiers and killed every man woman and child by the sword take them out because they believed that Jesus was the son of God rather than God that's a pretty harsh treatment there yeah so when we look at the dogma that has been in inflicted upon different societies I mean the same thing happened in Spain with the expulsion of the Jews with the whole you know thing so we look back in history this is strong arms up just like we're seeing now this strong-arming on political sides and I don't want to get into politics and who's right and who's wrong but this is the astrology showing this right now that we are at a critical crises point of change in many of the dogmas in society and this is why we're seeing this class here between many different factions around the world not just in the United States and what's fascinating is Germany was so full of a cult stuff that in magic see one of my favorite guys was rabbi maha real he lived in the thirteen unknot 1400s and many people will know him by the text the sacred magic of Abra Mel you I'm sure you've heard of that right mm-hmm yeah yeah very very fascinating text but those texts are astounding and this is all about getting your guardian angel to come to you and this this is deep deep stuff very dangerous stuff when people go down these paths and thank God literally we are protected by the angelic forces so we wouldn't be drawing breath nothing would exist yeah it's almost what I found is that these entities you know they will exchange information and power and things like that renown but in exchange for something right there's always something that you have to pay right it's a whether it's a blood covenant a blood sacrifice or something that's stay away from or even like a trinket like I just I wear this ring because not so now that entity has a physical representation in the physical world be through you but what I've seen for the most part is they want to live within your psyche they want to live within the mind and so causes they want to suck off your energy things like that so it never it never ends well especially when there's a different way to do it like to receive higher information beautiful clean information right I do think that that's possible as well from the angelic from the oh I'm not having to you know deal with the lower-level entities which are so easily accessible it seems like it seems like that you have to have a lifestyle of things that you can and cannot do to access that higher realms whether it's lying cheating stealing debauchery murderer drunkenness and things like that that are all attached to the lower level entities and things yeah and they do they influence a lot of this I've had that discussion with psychiatrists in prisons where you know we've literally said you know there's possession going on here and you know they can't enter that into the secular left-brain world of Psychiatry you can't put in a report while we think this person but but I mean Charles Manson was a perfect example III fact I knew one of the federal agents that had worked on that he was quite old that guy I met him up in Mohave motorcycling here about five years ago or no Pismo Beach and he he was saying he said Jeff I've been in that cell he said that dude is possessed he said there you can feel it and this is the danger of the occult and this is where I think a lot of religions are correct that if you stick to God and I really believe one central thing there is one God you know and all of the rest is subservient angelic forces and the story of the demonic fall really seems to be true and it seems to be that our souls got intertwined with portions and fragments of this and that's the purpose of earth is to reap Yura Phi that you know there's many theories and this is so deep stuff I don't claim and no one I've ever heard has had the direct answer but my theory at this point is that this particular three dimensional five-sense reality even though it's many more dimensions than three is a place where we get to come experience the egoic sense of freewill and then come back there's an ancient story and I love where the angels the upper angels and the Thrones were talking to God and they said what the heck did you why do you support these humans you know that it's only do they go down there they kill each other they don't believe in creation they don't even know we exist they're just horrible and why do you what do you support this and God said yes but they come back they come back they come back with the experience of what evil is and what the other side is and they become more holy because of it now some souls get lost they actually say a lot of souls that is the prize of a demon is to get a soul to go into deep magic sacrifices and you can actually lose the soul you know one of my favorite little texts anybody can read this it's called the Screwtape Letters by the wonderful writer CS Lewis who wrote you know Narnia and CS Lewis was really into astrology and in in in the right way he looked at it for what it would put it what it is it's just the path of the soul and in the Screwtape Letters there's a great story about this little demon uncle one of my human subjects has just joined a religion and I don't know what to do we could loosen to the enemy I don't worry about a thing my friend we've taken good care of the religious we've new did it all we possessed those that were in control and all these little books that someone come bustling up is really about us but nobody can really figure out anymore and so don't worry about they all sit in the pews and notice how they're hypocritical on you know the rest of the week and then they come in and act all holy and bow on Sunday and yet treat each other like crap the rest of the week so it's a really it's a book written in satire but what I love is the opening he says I cannot tell you where this book came from I cannot tell you if it's fact or fiction they just read the book and understand where it goes and I always I always enjoyed that book it's a great book there's a there's a Christian writing and I'm pretty pretty sure it came from there I don't know if you've ever read it though but it's a it's a book called the final quest by Rick Joyner have you heard of that I've heard of it but I am not read it very so many books yeah yeah yeah very similar with the looking at the demonic hordes and how they interact with humanity but it's written as a just a work of just analogy and metaphor of the spirit world and how what's happening but he I'm pretty sure it was a I wouldn't say a ripoff but it was definitely influenced by by the Screwtape Letters and I still haven't read that I need to read there that's what I'm doing here get the Magus of sure lost you you will absolutely adore that book it's it is everybody and I don't know why I haven't read it yet so I'm gonna get it probably right when we get off of here that's one yeah it's got that you've definitely blessed us with on this there's a lot of different reference points and I'm writing down some for myself some of these different kabbalistic texts to check out and stuff as well that's what a lot of something that resonated with them through something that you said especially when we cover so many topics like we do one here something that they're like hey what is that book let me check that out or let me check out astrology or Vedic Astrology I mean how many people don't that are listening and didn't even know that that was an actual thing we most of us just think that there's only one form of astrology stay away from me and that's it you know there's so many all types of different astrology's and levels and all of that stuff too so yeah so much to choose from again man I hate this any time you wanna hang out with me man I'm over it and I'll send ya you're a good I think it's great you're doing the work you're doing I mean and I think it I think your message I love your story about how you played with magic and you got possessed every single every single client and I've had clients who've been in some really dark places and Vedic Astrology employer but I'll never forget well I don't want to mention too much on there but I had one client come in two two in particular I said oh my god I said what happened to you right at this time tears would pour you wouldn't believe it I said try me I might now how would I know that okay it's not my genius it's the Vedic Astrology and it takes years to learn this but this person was in a horrible horrible Dasha with horrible aspects so this God isn't sitting in the sky making you or me tall or short of fat and luck intelligence you know whatever loving or hateful it's our souls that do it and the astrology mirrors that well this person was actually involved in a satanic sacrifice and I saw it in the chart and the tears were pouring she was actually impregnated and she had the child and was forced to sacrifice it I've seen this now two or three times now this stuff is hideous but when you speak about demons and magic and and the dangers of this this is where this stuff goes and people have to know this word and all these stories that we hear on the internet about you know the the pizza gate and all the stuff I hate to say it and I wish I were wrong but I think it's true and this is the hideous dark paths that happen when people play around with magic and just like yourself you whatever your belief in God is it can save you and I I urge people to go down that path I have had so many clients who there's prayers that I give out in readings when I see these yoga's to help people not only purify their own karmic journey but their families and I'm not just talking mom and dad and grandpa and grandma I'm talking about your family of soul lineage which is really sacred stuff and it involves a lot of the secrets in the scriptures and the songs and and it's it's true the you mentioned the Christ energies I mean if we can ever get to the bottom of what really happened there I mean that's why I urge you to read The Magus of struggles you'll see just how mystical and sacredly magic this stuff is it's true sacred holy magic yeah yeah there were some deep individuals uh tokine and CS lewis like they all learned from the Mystics of old and like they were into some deep stuff like they I think they really understood and so a lot of the people that you know I'm influenced by some of the jordan maxwell's or the michael necessary and those kind of guys they're definitely influenced by the tokens and CS Lewis's and those guys so sure they will all do some stuff man especially you know but being able to tell it in a story like that like if you were just to tell us to be like sit down and hey we're being attacked by demons right now like people gonna think you're crazy but then you put it in a movie you're talking about the technology and what we have right now and it's it would be hard for us to fathom just watch Star Wars just watch Star Wars and we you know what I'm saying so we have that stuff that technology even them like communing with the dead in Star Wars that was a big one for me like there was a part and I forgot what episode it was but at the end Yoda was gonna teach who is this a disciple of qui-gon who was it obi-wan mmm I hope you're right they're walking off into the sunset he said come with me I got to show you some stuff I want to show you how to commune with your master who is who's gone on to the other side he's like qui-gon I said yeah I'm gonna teach you how to do it and so like yeah that's something that was practiced all throughout religion and I'm even finding thing in the scriptures in a New Testament where Jesus did similar things with his master's and stuff of things that were echoed in it's in our art and literature obviously it's not a religion anymore that's heresy to speak of that in in the churches now but it's within the movies and it's within a lot of these ancient texts like you're talking about sure sure I have a client he wrote a book that is the missing years of Christ that they believe could possibly have been in India and paralleling if that's why the Magus is robles you'll find so interesting to people who read it he's nicknamed oskol estas close just means Greece it's the Grecian name for teacher and he is when you read the oskol O's he's a Christian mystic clearly but he also speaks with great reverence to all the other religions and he said a term that I believe is very correct he said trying to figure out God is like trying to figure out a multi-faceted diamond you won't you will not in fact the more I learn about all this stuff the more humble I get and the more I realize that we're with these things called gray matter you will never figure it out from an intellectually deductive reasoning standpoint you'll never figure it all out from a spiritual one you can receive how divine and vast it is and wisdom is much different than logic you know logic we're all trained to get a job and get a degree and follow all the rules which is all great but wisdom is another portion of the psyche and the consciousness that is much much different than than deductive reasoning and logic and I think that's again what many of the Ancients particularly in Tibet and India talked about Mucha Mucha was enlightenment this is maybe many of the references that we see in rabbinical texts and Christian texts is the worlds beyond this is where we commune and know where the higher self is much broader than the lower intellectual mind will ever be we can never never go there in an intellectual sense it always ends up in ego and we'll always end up in some logical deduction of what it is or does it mean and you know all of us are seeking the truth and and I think when we look at it from that viewpoint it's it's a much safer place to go yeah I like how you mentioned the diamond I got a good friend of mine he uh every time we do a live with him he pulls out the diamond he's got this deep breakdown of how we're all facets of that diamond and the color and the shape and the reflection and we can't see the other side unless we go to that perspective but then we're missing all the other sides and so I think the diamond is definitely a beautiful perspective of our individuality in our own perspective of the one like we're all still part of that diamond but with these different reflections and so is your religion so so is your experience or your faith or whatever the case is especially you're never gonna you're never gonna get to the bottom of it like you said but I think that I think that the bottom of it is love though is universal love I think that's like that's the worldview of responding with love of answering with love to everything to all to the people that wronged you to to your God to your former self to your childhood to the trauma embracing the future with love and expectancy and childlike faith so I think that there that that's at least some of the rules of engagement and what you understand that love is what leads you and gives you grace to look into some of the deeper truths and mysteries and and not to look down on anything or or anyone else because that's their perspective or story I think that uh I think that opens you up to have more beautiful encounters yeah stoicism comes to mind you know a lot of the really deep sacred places I don't care if you're talking about the monks or the Tibetans or the Egyptians or the you know certain classes they certain groups they would talk about stoicism where you know when you negate the ego to where you're not so reactive like if you ask someone or how do you feel when someone hates you and calls you names and it's mean to you well nobody likes that right how do you feel when someone praises you and tells you you're just so wonderful well everybody loves that one right that's the ego but stop for a second and just think like an airline pilot if you were 50,000 feet above watching all of this and you kind of raised your consciousness in that vibration and you say well okay someone hates you someone loves you what does it really mean that's their opinion of their egoic sense of self at that time and not that we should all run around and be zombies or not be emotional because emotions are magical and they're wonderful and we have a right to that but I think when we we stop becoming so engaged in our egoic sense of self we bind with the upper levels of the soul and that's what they're speaking about and see we if you read the Magus of struggle it's one of the most important things as elementals the third eye chakra we look at people when we look at them but what we're really doing is projecting out of the third eye etheric energy those are literally thought-form energies if you've ever seen dr. emoto's work you know the Japanese scientists messages in water yeah yeah exactly amazing so what did he do he had people pray over water and take a Petrie disk and he would you know freeze it and to the skeptics I say well how could he have come up with so many so diverse all sacred thoughts had varying shapes of sacred geometry worried anger fear discord always looks like gobbledygook and you know just for anybody who hasn't seen let me just take a second I actually have a picture of a couple of his things that I love to show people you'll see here this is it right being wrong there so again here's an example and for anybody's interested yet you know messages in water well what am I talking about here well we emit out of our third eye chakra elementals known as etheric energy do you ever notice when someone's really really mad that's what they call the evil eye right you're projecting very angry elementals at someone even though you don't know it in fact our auric field this is a whole subject called physiognomies in the middle evil times which is you know you look at a person you can see what they're like you you you you can detect right away before they open their mouths a lot of what they're like though sometimes it can be wrong you can't always judge a book by its cover but in general you can see that they're stressed or they're they've lived a life of bliss or happiness or stress or an anger it shows up I mean you can see it on people that are heavy drinkers and smokers especially not only is it the physical but it's also the energy that they permeate so that what's so fascinating is that when I go into this it's it's basically we project when our lower egoic self believes and this is why the conscious mind is such a powerful tool and I think the more we realize that the more we can direct it to healthier ways of being conscious you know I'm saying the Magus of Sir Louis is a wonderful book and those elementals there's an old saying stiff-necked in this world you will be in the next it's amazing how much we take with us through these incarnations what we believe belief is a very interesting word you know we we tend to believe what we believe based on deductive reasoning but that's not true that's not true wisdom you know what do you think about beloved Sookie's work on the elementals or just her work in general but I think I think the elemental stuff is really interesting that she brought to the table yeah Blavatsky went that whole movement started the spiritualist movement in the 1800s excuse me and she went over to India I think a lot of her work was regurgitated from what she picked up from many of the Yogi's there's a lot of truth to it but I also love otsuki's work I have it all it kind of left me a little cold it's like it there was too much ego in it and she actually came back believe it or not dr. Karl Wicklund channeled her with his wife she came back and she admitted a lot of what was given out was accurate but it was regurgitated that that she felt that there was too much ego in it and but there's a lot of truths I mean what's great about Blavatsky's work is it's something you can pick up and read but I are urged people to read The Magus of struggle owes because it is a profound a profound work and another one if you go to stoic series comments sto AER series gist OA s CoA and then series you can get the book words of truth which in fact people can google Das Kalos on the internet you could he's a little hard to understand because he's very Grecian so his English is a bit broken but the wisdom that comes through that man is astounding that is you know that disclosed the magazine journalist is the only written text I've ever seen where he had rien he reincarnated as a child and actually met Christ and that's in that text it'll blow your hair back and he was actually taken by him when he died of gangrene a Roman soldier stamped on his foot and he got gangrene as he went back home he said there was earthquakes so it's interesting you know a lot of people ridicule the Christian myth I personally think it happened I really do and what I want him sad about is how twisted and blocked the church did what they did to a lot of the documents and the connectedness between the older texts of the Torah of the ancient world they just chopped it and and made it a very politicized changed religion hence why we've seen so many versions we've seen the same thing in Judaism and other religions and Hinduism the people get a hold of these truths they they make them so dogmatic that then someone breaks off like Buddha or you take Luther or you take you know so many others that had broken off in the Christian religion and so many others in Judaism the same thing happened you have the Hasidic so you have the Stoics you have the you know the Orthodox and yet there's core truths and every one of them that are magical yeah and I think with the internet now and online communities and groups like that and you can literally either pick and choose or piece together your own faith or religion now because just by doing the research and what what I mean by that is taking the good stuff from every religion and just there you go you know getting rid of all the BS and I think we can make a really cool religion if we put all the good stuff together right so there's a lot of people doing that and a lot of people waking up and using the internet to kind of break away from some of the more traditional Christian westernize understandings and looking back to the east there's a lot of Christians now looking to the east looking at Hinduism and even kind of using that as a filter to to read the Bible even write of this you know we talked about mountains and things like that you know why was Jesus and fetch awaited with going into a mountain to pray and going on top of a mountain to pray right where there's types of energies there there's higher frequencies then we look at you know some people who may be Buddhist or Hindu they literally go into a mountain oh yeah cave and or on top of a mountain what you know in in like the Himalayas to meditate and pray so we've seen all these different similarities within the biblical text and then it becomes a little bit more spiritual for us because we have some ways to interpret this through a eastern lens versus this westernized religion that we've all been kind of entrapped into with the Christianity anyway right well George Carlin might have but not might not have been too far off base and he said the best thing they come out of the religions was the music right but there's a lot of truism yeah I mean great respect for certain ones that don't get too dogmatic yeah I love the again some of the richness in the messages of souls and the old rabbinical texts are pretty profound they really are you cannot make this stuff up and it's supported by the angelic hierarchies that actually can be extrapolated to the heavens the astrology the souls the journeys of the souls and you start seeing what astrology isn't what it isn't you know a lot of people find in readings that you know I'm actually telling them that you're not your astrology and they're very surprised at that I'm like no you'll free will you know Charlie doesn't make you do anything it influences you and it's really wonderful to look at what those influences are because here's here's the magic right here the sacred magic and that is if you understand that you have malefic times or transits going on and you react to those in a more conscious way you're likely to do a lot better than had you not known they were there you know there's a reason the Pope takes a bath in a bathtub throughout history they've busted popes constantly studying especially the ancient ones assiduously the ancient egyptian and medieval astrology and Greek stuff and they buried it they really have I mean come on they've got so much esoteric stuff involved with that and and what I like about the rabbinical texts is it puts astrology in a clear place that it's really the interaction of the energies of the angélica forces on the soul and the Vedantic does that as well to the ancient Vedic scriptures you really begin to see that we're really sojourners on a journey and that when we view it that way it's it's a lot healthier yeah I man so many questions and comments that I'm forgetting them all yeah I usually try to write them all down but I got my notepad all filled up ah but if somebody did good places to go with that but um man but I'm with you and uh and that that's where my heart is you know the the Hebrew and and and I think we have pieces of that throughout our Christian literature but like you say oh we're gonna see where they got some of this from I mean I'm real I love the the testament of Solomon I don't know if you now I do like that one not the keys of Solomon I'm with you stay away but yeah I'm with ya I got a lot of stuff on him yep and yeah just here in the story like even in the Bible there's mention of these different deities whether it's Beelzebub and things like that that you only hear mentioned once in the scripture but going into testament of Solomon or some of these other Hebraic books that were taken out or or once held in high regard you know going back and reading those to see where the influence came from the Book of Enoch even you know oh yeah hex heavy duty stuff yeah I mean you can get way down the rabbit hole on that one like you take everyone's heard like you know most most people we see you know they got a suit tie and a microphone and talking about the devil right well the you know it gets a little deeper than that folks you got Lucifer Satan Belial on the vyas in there that's the for what they call princes of the fourth hierarchy that was cast down then you have eight beneath that you have legions upon legions upon legions upon legions underneath that and I mean they say the terrestrial spirits its uncountable there could be trillions and thank God literally the upper angels are there holding all this in advance it's you know one of my friends Claud Swanson who wrote a book a couple of books one is called the synchronized universe and he just takes it from a very left brained physics perspective and views the probability of the order of just physical matter is is impossible to stay in its order like it does without something exceedingly intelligent maintaining it well when you get into this stuff you go well you bet I mean look at I mean these angelic forces are amazingly powerful and that's why the earth I don't think the earth will ever end you know like it might what do I know but from what I can see the next real cataclysmic like Cataclysm would be somewhere very close when we process into the next true Age of Aquarius in the scenario zodiac which is going to be about when the Hebrew calendar which is about 200 something years from now so I don't think it's right around the corner yes we're gonna have dissension and war and all the political stuff that we have and all that we could certainly end up with another major war I hope we don't have we never do but these things come and go and a lot of souls get exchanged on that but it keeps on going on you know my mother had a little device that was really cool when I was a kid it was called a rock tumbler and she would take all these jagged rocks and she would throw it in this little tumbler and then she'd put a bunch of grit in there and she'd fill it up with water and she'd put it on this little roller and the rocks would roll around for about two weeks and he'd come back two weeks later and all the rocks were polished well that's I know you there seem to have lost your brother Oh yeah let me know if you I can still hear me and chat if we're disconnected or something are you there Jeff it's not this computer restarted again he was having computer troubles can y'all still hear me though let me know so much information so much information shout out to everybody hanging out with this in a chat Chris cornices we hear you somehow says yeah ya hear me Coco man so many gyms in this episode and I'm writing down stuff graspers of the aura or grasp grasper of the aura that's an interesting term that sounds like a true seeker song don't it it might be I might have to use that one these different terms and things that uh you know get brought up that everybody's different there's some people I mean most people listen to stuff like this in this one thing that they take away other people the whole time their minds are blown you can let your mind be blown but try to take something away reading here in the chat mark' says my mind is blown away that's what I just said synchronicity synchronicity is are all always up with the chat but um you can let your mind be blown or you can grab something and take it grab something and take it like whatever it is because there's a lot take one thing if you're an OG like the homie Chris garner and chat you'll take a bunch of things and apply it you'll take a bunch of things and break it open like a fortune cookie and get the fortune out of it you'll look at a little bit closer but uh but just take one thing almost like a lucid dream you know almost like a deep state of meditation with the Higher Self like so much stuff is coming at you choo choo choo ayahuasca trip you know peyote you know psilocybin you know you just keep naming medicines there's so much stuff that comes and it's a cool experience because you come back like what the heck was that literally what the hell what's going on what is this but if you can take one thing out of that dream if you can take one thing out of that astral projection that a sacred plant journey one thing and apply it to your life listen you and OG cuz I think the more that you do it you get better at taking more things but you know even with we're saying what the heck is this just looking at these ties that that whole thing is mana that's what that's what the word mana means in the Bible what is this what the heck is this there's this stuff that we're being fed these wafers of whatever this is what I don't know what it is what is this every morning it was manna but one of the rules of mana you don't know what it is but one of the rules is that you can only take as much for that day you only could take as much as you need it for the day because every day you had to keep coming back to eat of the bread of life if you will and so again in the dream States in a podcast and information and dialect and wisdom and knowledge and all of this stuff what what is this what are you talking about how many times are there concepts that you've heard many times over many time and time again but it just didn't click it didn't click until it all clicked until it made sense until like even for me what I do there's a lot of people who were tuned into something like this and they make fun like from the religious perspective they make fun of it or whatever buh-buh-bah until a man you talk to you mantis I'm experiencing some things that I don't know who to talk to hey glad you glad you hit me up you know to make sense of what it is to understand what it is but if you don't ask the questions you'll never receive the answers and so to be one that just kicks out all new information that comes to you that's a form of cognitive dissonance thinking that you have it all figured out you know we don't it's here a little there a little for I mean this is so even I you know if I could if even me as you know the one who's leading this conversate or leaving this podcast anyway of just it takes one of those things and I wrote down many you might you might hear a song talk titled graspers of the aura I just think that's it I never heard that term I'm gonna look it up I'm gonna look into it I'm a read on it see what it is and I'm all articulated because it's something that's - stood out to me put it in a song you know what I'm saying teach it but there's so much of the magnis of storm load storm Bulow's I will look it up not i'm sorry not magic Magnus the Magnus of storm blows I'm looking it up Screwtape Letters I'm looking it up even though I've heard that so many times but I've never it's kind of kind of appalling that I haven't read that yet because it's definitely one of the mystical writings that uh for many it's like a it's like a elementary writing many people it I think books like that have gotten people into mysticism books like that have gotten people into spirituality and asking the bigger questions because it's something that resonates for them I think you know me paying it forward in a plug my book spirit realm has been something that ties a lot of loose ends and then it leaves people even with a lot more questions when it comes to things like that but it's about fostering - and catering to that desire within you to want to know to ignite that flame that wind to fan the flame within you as the Bible says and so there's many different things that we do that and that's one of the things that I tell people they like look I want to be spiritual I want to I want to learn I want to grow deeper like what do I do and I'm just a simple formula meditate read spiritual material and this in the spiritual music you know you know I do all of those things and I teach all of those things and I lead those things but there that's what helps you stir up the awe and wonder and I think that our spirituality and all of these materials and the Sephiroth and all of these things stirs up intrigue it's not to be lost in any of those things it's not to be confused in any of those things but just taking what you need for the day because it's like what is this you don't understand it's the mana take what you need for today what is it there's something in a podcast like this again two and a half hours now that we've been talking about so much that there's something that you can apply and again for many of you there's multiple things that that you can fly apply and Chris garner and Chad says too many things sometimes so so it's de volcán or shout out the day of love you bro see you in chat he says Magnusson of storm ellos ma g in u.s o n Magnusson of str o vol OS Stroeve Veloz so you know books reading meditating praying listening to music when I say meditating that's like really you know that's a spend of time in that secret quiet place with God and with the Holy Spirit and things and so walking in the spirit as the Bible talks about includes all of that stuff stirring up yourself singing spiritual songs as the Bible talks about all of that stuff comes into play if you wanting to go deeper if you wanting to know even where to start it's simple it's just doing life it's part of your daily life but again all of that stuff in the midst of simplicity I've seen the beauty and the blueprint seeing the beauty in all things even in the bad things even in those times you feel like a victim or you feel like you're confused look find beauty in it appreciate it because it's not until you're in a state of confusion that you're gonna ask for the answers you're not gonna seek the truth you're not gonna ask the the you know I'm saying the bigger questions until you're in a state of confusion you know as a member in churches that tell us that the Bible says God is not the author of confusion so any what time I'm and people would use that as a cop-out they will come to a Bible study or a place or listen to a teacher and they would get confused cuz because they didn't understand it and then they would negate that teacher and say hey God is not the author of confusion and I'm confused so this person isn't of God really strange that they would do that but they did but and but now I see again a confusion is a good thing God uses confusion he may not be the author he ain't the one that comes down from the throne of heaven and confuses you I think that even in in this hierarchy of angels there are other beings and angels that are here to send you for a whirlwind you know that's what they do that's what they were created to do so no God is not the author of that there's but it all is an expression it comes back to the one that's over at all but until you're in that state of confusion and chaos are you gonna you're not gonna seek order you're not gonna seek truth begin until you're in the midst of of the darkness you're not gonna appreciate the light you live in the light you dwell in the light that's all you do is in the light you're out of touch religious folks you're out of touch with humanity you're out of touch with the crack addict you gotta out of touch with the drug dealer the drug addict the porn addict you out of touch you're just in the light you have no conception of the gradients that exist within on the spectrum of spirituality of life and in the dance that you're so heavenly minded that you're no earthly good and we got to be careful to that I try to and even there's a part of me that's out of touch and I have to continually remind myself I forgot how it is to be addicted to dope I forgot how it is to be a you know tormented by evil spirits but I remind myself of it you know what I'm saying I try to remember because other people are still there and I want to have a compassion I want to be able to help those people but many people are you so busy in the light you don't give a damn because everything's going good for you your blessings and your fight your finances are blessed everything is a blessing you know and so there is no there's no compassion even if there is a compassion there's no way to articulate it there's no know how to to step down and and be real with people and use spirituality in practical ways all of this deep mysticism in astrology and that seemed so crazy but to take all of that stuff and bring it into the simplicity of everyday life hold on to your simplicity people there are beings and spirits that want to take that from you and so that's what I'm here to do I'm here to help you get lost within the mystery but found within the simplicity that's what it's about it's this great song and dance and you can either be a victim or Victor but I think balance is key it balances key listen listen I ain't gonna lead you wrong man I'm gonna tell you I'm just gonna let you know what worked for me I'm gonna tell you what worked for me and hopefully it'll work for you and I want you to do the same let me know what works for you you know I think that's what this podcast exists out of and there's there's do's and dont's listen it's what it's about somebody speaking of that somebody in chat awhile ago was talking about wrestling with with demons or aliens or entities in the middle of the night and they want help they need help navigating through that we definitely can pray but it's a little bit about walking it out you know praying and rebuking something like that is one thing but being able to walk it out being in a community of like-minded people being in a place where you shut those doors to whatever is opening doors to that to those things I really do believe that so whatever it is you want to shut the doors and you want to make sure that you walk out victory so I can pray I will pray I do have some some resources on my website too that you can check out that help you walk in victory I have I actually have meditations and prayers that you can put on that a lot of people listen to about spiritual warfare my encountering Jesus meditation it's free if you go to the website you can get it for free if you sign up for the email list it'll go straight to your inbox but I think that the the testimonies and things that I'm getting back from people who listen to those meditations and who sit in them they find a tremendous tremendous healing and and being refreshed so I do have resources available for you to walk this and to understand what you're going through and and how to walk in in freedom in those areas and so also have our school of the Mystics it's every Thursday night you have and we have discord like you can get direct access to me throughout the day I'm on it the majority of the time I'm doing work I have it pulled up so that's a way you can get it access to me you have to be a patron a supporter it's only a dollar you get it for a dollar so but if you can't afford a dollar there's other free things that you can download at your disposal as well to help you navigate and try to make sense of what's going on so that's the least that I can do and so um Ali says in chat I encourage everyone to do the meditation I listen to them often Thank You Ali one of the most popular videos on my channel is my what is a spiritual warfare meditation and what it is it's an affirmation it's it's reading scriptures over you like there's power in that you know that's one they don't want to talk to him about as well as reading the Psalms and somehow magical the Bible is and taking the passages apart listen just reading the Bible out loud especially the Psalms it releases things it shuts doors like there is power in that man so with a lot of those meditations and affirmations they're just me reciting scriptures that help me out of a hard time in my life that are magical that have the ability to open and close doors that we've open knowingly or unknowingly so there's so much to it a lot of those resources are free and there's other stuff too I'm available for one-on-one consultations and and guided meditations and spirit journeys and whatever you want to do I'm available for those things as well so definitely check out the website for sure but there's a bunch of free stuff won't put that out there as well one thing he said - and I threw it up on the screen for those of you watching but he mentioned it so much man you know but he mentioned the Kin and rye who were something like that Kenan Wray who was like these two dualities of the moons or something I don't know guys yeah I'll do a bad job of explaining a lot of this stuff I just try my best but I would my mind immediately went to ken and Ryu are the two dualities in these two enemies in Street Fighter in Street Fighter they you know in understanding where these names and types terms come from it all comes from astrology man that's where we come from out there it's when heaven touches earth our souls are from heaven we're etheric but we're made out of the dust of the earth so it's with its it's the polarities that exist within the hearts and souls of men and understanding that it's not a bad thing the duality is not bad but don't get lost in it don't get lost within the duality don't find yourself fighting yourself being at one and understanding the energies understanding your your likes and your dislikes and your distaste and the things that God has put within you are different from other people but understand the respondent with love and universal law and all those things that's for everybody so take that and body and body it is the embodiment of all the religions of Jesus and all of those texts responding with love man with that I'm gonna say peace y'all we got some more stuff I'd like to share but we're almost at UH 2 hours and 36 minutes at this point shout out man thank you guys for believing in the work everybody for supporting on whatever level or platform that you do so if you're just sharing out my material if you're just hanging out in the chat with us making these live streams fun if you're listening on the podcast apps um you know that's definitely where the biggest audience is my shout out to everybody no matter what you're doing and what you're bringing to the table if you're praying for me and my family if you're supporting financially no matter what no matter what you're doing I appreciate everyone equally you know and so I'll just say thank you for that and I'm just excited about the future we have speaking of the future we have the men's retreat coming up I only got four beds left guys if you want to get lost in the woods and go on a sparing with me and really just connect I have a men's retreat we have 40 it's left for anybody who is interested in that it's going to be August the 15th tickets are at true seeker calm also - I want to just let people know - because some people want to know what's coming up and I'm booked out man I think I got like I may have 15 16 episodes booked back-to-back right now with guests and stuff so I'm trying to get these guests on my website so you can actually go to the site and see some of the upcoming guests that I have now so if you go to true sitcom or just click on any of the post I think you'll be able to see the schedule and some of the next ones that I have coming up I got Chris Carter book back on here talking to uh - head about coming on ahead from corn he's supposed to be on here I'm as soon as I have dates for everybody I'm gonna try to put them on there it's a lot of work I got to sit down and put images up and fix the dates and it's a lot of work so also looking for people to help again still need people to make snippets from my podcast and you know help them help me get the word out about what I'm doing if you have any interesting or exciting ways that and you can help things that you're good at you know how you know your way around a computer you got some extra time and you want to pay it forward if you whatever it is man let me know because I do need help doing some of this IT stuff and I always put that out there and every time I do people come through so thanks everybody for doing that but hit me up if you want to help it's pretty easy to do that hit me up thank you guys we'll do it again Chris garner says happy belated birthday to spirit wolf for sure my wife's birthday was yesterday we had a blast our anniversary was the 23rd we went a little short short vacation celebrating her birthday and our anniversary and so we're back now in the swing of things ready to get it moving I'm toying with the idea to just try it out let me know if you think it would be good and in the show notes in the comment section disc or wherever you are let me know if you think this would be cool I'm thinking about doing a test run of doing like a five-day stream every day for a week just to see how it goes see if the algorithms help it see if people hang out you know I don't know if there could be too much content for me again that's probably why needs help to on the social media side because I'm putting out the content but I feel like it doesn't get promoted the right way like it's almost a full-time job to promote and share these episodes and get new ears and new listeners and so especially when the algorithms are working against you so I need people for that but thinking about it I mean I would hate to do a whole week of interviews and then nobody I don't really spend the time promoting this episode because this episode was really really cool and all of the 330 episodes that I have which before as I'm concerned all of our cool his gems in every single one of them so let me know guys give me some feedback let me know in chat let me know how you can help if you want to help whatever it is love you guys and I will do it again very soon peace peace while so the throne room meditation man this was just like a new level for me of creating encounter really the process behind it is going in for myself having an encounter with the Lord tapping into the spirit and getting in his presence and really just petitioning the father's heart and saying God you don't get it if you say commercial if I'm bringing these people with me or if they're doing this guided meditation to the commercial we're going through this journey we're having fun we're seeing things we're experiencing new feelings and emotions and sensations what would you say to him so it's channeling the father's heart and relating it back to the people so man it's just a beautiful encounter and I remember when I wrote the first one I was so excited about it and it was just God speaking to my heart I was able to channel the father's heart and I would read the script to people because I was just so excited while I was working on it and every time that I would just read the script the presence of God would just invade me and I just burst into tears and I couldn't even read it I'm just like let me copy and paste it and send it to you but every time I listen to it I'm immediately translated back into the throne room of God everything's good there that's the place where everything is okay we're in the scriptures it says that we are to hide under the shadow of the Almighty this is the throne room of God this is the place that we can encounter for ourselves but this is also a place in which we dwell so a part of us is always there and we have access to that not as people who have never encountered this before in their life and it's a totally new experience for them and almost every time I get a testimony back from someone they just say how God wrecked their lives that they didn't know what they were getting into the next thing they know they're in the presence of God wrapped up in his glory he's communicating his love to them and it just totally wrecks their lives so make sure you check out the throne room guided meditation visualization that I brought to the table
