Jerry Marzinsky | Demonic Possession, Schizophrenia, Hearing Voices

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my friend welcome to the podcast jerry
marzinski brother how are you
good glad to be here appreciate you
inviting me
uh is today your birthday it is
happy birthday man thank you for
spending it with me in the audience man
that's great to be spending this way
this is a good way to do it
i heard that doing what you love right
well getting out some important
information that the mainstream is never
going to cover
yeah for sure um i'm kind of new to your
work
um but but but you know what i'm saying
you're not new to this for those of you
uh well for those who are listening who
have no idea who you are what you bring
to the table i guess let's just do a
quick
intro about who you are in your work
we'll start there
quick intro well i always say
psychotherapist
after graduate school i began work in
the biggest
psychiatric hospital on the planet at
the time central state
hospital in central georgia it had i
think
about 12 000 patients at the time it was
the size of a small town
and i remember when i first got there is
walking
through the streets at night and and
hearing these screams of the men and the
ill just that go into the night
remember one lady came to the window i
mean patient
at night and she was staring down at me
and i was staring up at her
and i'm like what is going on in her
mind
so i spent seven years working there
went back to graduate school again
and when i finished with that
moved to arizona where i went to work at
a county hospital in the emergency room
doing psych crisis
from there worked two years in the
mental health center then
we went and got a job at the state
prison
in the psychology department and worked
there for
i think about 17 18 years
after i retired from from there i went
to work
with virtually every big hospital in
tucson
in the emergency room doing psych crisis
the police would drag in these people
that were just totally
out of control and insane we'd have to
determine what to do with them
um admit them release them
or get them out of the emergency room
basically that's what that's what they
were most interested in is
clear that emergency then the doctors
didn't like dealing with sick people
they didn't understand them they didn't
know what to do with them
so they just turned them over to us the
entire time i was studying the voices
that started out at central state where
after after graduate school
i'd been programmed to believe like
everybody else that schizophrenia was
due to a chemical imbalance in the
patient's brain and that the voices were
hallucinations
but you know when i hit the front lines
and watched
i never saw a psychiatrist ever
give any kind of lab test or any other
kind of test
to determine what chemicals in the
patient's brain were
out of order or imbalanced
and i found that quite odd they would
just go into their bag of
you know powerful psychiatric meds which
were made
mainly major tranquilizers and they
would just start drugging these people
you know they'd take a guess it was like
a shotgun approach
and that didn't add up with what i was
taught
so it's like okay if they don't give any
kind of test to determine
what is out of balance and by how much
how do they know
what they're even treating and i did
some research into that and found that
no such tests existed
it was a scam that
was perpetuated on the public by one of
the
drug companies the big pharma companies
when prozac came out
and they knew it was not true at the
time the chemical imbalance theory
but it sold drugs so they they kept it
and big pharma has an
enormous amount of influence over
academia
and psychiatry and they just
they just fostered this deception
and they're still teaching it today even
though it's been strongly disproven
so when it when it i ruled out the
chemical imbalance
as a cause for what these people were
doing
uh that schizophrenics at that state
hospital they were the worst
um and we i worked at a psychiatric
rehabilitation center the yardwork
center at the time
and we were our job was to pick the
highest functioning
mentally ill out of the entire hospital
and try to rehabilitate them
so it wasn't just stabilizing them it
was stabilizing them
and then putting them to work which is a
big difference from just drugging them
or giving them a chemical lobotomy and
then turning them loose
these people were required to function
for us to have a successful closure
and they almost all of them went off
their meds at one time or another
so i thought that odd why would they
choose insanity
over the midst now and i started asking
them
you know one after another after another
and the response i got was the
side effects and the side effects are
awful
i mean they're just they're absolutely
awful you know
tremors uh i mean it's like a chemical
lobotomy
but psychosis is much much worse
you know it's they're both bad
but being psychotic and out of control
uh
you've been there for periods of time
you know in your past
you know what it's like it's no fun
so i'd ask them you know
why they take okay side effects so then
i started experimenting with that
uh i'd give them a blank sheet of paper
and i'd say okay write down all the side
effects you've had from your medications
and you know they didn't all have the
same side effects so there'd be a
handful of five or six
and then i had another questionnaire
with all the
symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia two
pages and i'd hand them that and i said
okay
write down all the symptoms you've had
when you went off your mix and they
would circle them all
and they were all much worse
and then i'd hand them the two sheets
back and i said okay which one is worse
and they would consistently say being
psychotic was worse than the
side effect of those minutes so then i'd
ask them okay then
why do you go off your meds guess what
the answer was
any idea
i don't know that's exactly right
they've all said i don't know
huh and and this was over the period of
years yeah
and i felt like you know a crazy guy
myself
asking the same question over and over
and over again
and getting the same answer and
expecting a different answer and
scores of them i don't know i don't know
i don't know and i'm thinking if you
don't know who does
you know you have to know yeah because
you're not doing it
yeah where else am i going to get this
answer you have to know you have to have
that answer somewhere
in there so toward the end of the seven
years
uh i was working at the state hospital
there was one gal
who went off from meds three times and
that was like
three strikes you're out because they're
not going to stay on their meds back in
the 70s there was no other treatment
that the establishment knew it was now
whenever they get off their
their their meds they usually have an
episode and that's how you can tell
right
they usually have some episode yes it
takes it takes some time sometimes
a week two weeks sometimes a month but
eventually
the voices come back you know so these
meds are not
curing anything they're basically
um subduing symptoms
so they're they're actually what they're
actually doing is tranquilizing the
patient
and the voices have a harder time when
when the patient was calm
um so this gal uh
she we were about to discharge her from
the rehab center because she wouldn't
stay in the meds and her mother called
me
and said you can't do that i can't
handle her she's turned my life into a
nightmare
please let me come up and let's talk to
her and see if we can't reason with her
because well okay you know what i got to
lose
so she drove up from south georgia one
friday
afternoon we all went into my office
closed the door
and the mother and i are both asking
this gal
why why do you continue to go off your
mats
and this is this is after asking them
scores of time to other patients why
they went off their meds
the only response i got was the side
effects
ruled that out so we're both in there
kind of
begging why do you go off the match
because she had a lot of potential she
was doing good in her classes when she
stayed on the meds
she was pleasant when she stayed on the
meds she got off the meds and she just
fell apart
so both her mother and i are imploring
why why do you go through meds
she goes uh well you know i can tell you
but you won't believe it
try me i've heard a lot of strange
things while i've been working here i
don't think you're going to tell me
anything that's going to surprise me
and she said the voices told me
that i was being poisoned
and right away clicked that answered
several other questions because when i
first got there i noticed that
psychiatrists were being assaulted
at a rate far in exits of any other
staff
at the hospital you know far in excess
of psych nurses or
counselors or psychologists or anybody
else
they were being assaulted by
schizophrenic patients
at a very high rate um
and you know the statistics wore that
out
it was a rate that was equal to the
assaults on attendance
who were around schizophrenic patients
24 hours a day
so and they didn't spend that much time
with
the patients so i'm thinking what are
they doing
in 20 minutes that they see this patient
once a month
that they're pissing them off so bad
that they're getting beat up
what are they doing what could they
possibly say to these people
that are setting them off at this kind
of rate
well that answered it because i'd heard
before
from several patients that the meds were
poisoned
you know that they were the side effects
were the effects of being poisoned
and it turned out that that's what was
happening with this gal
she said that her voices were telling
her that the psychiatrist was poisoning
her
and they were pointing to the side
effects of the meds
as proof that she was being poisoned
and clicked that that answered the
assault rate
that i was wondering about for years
um and and
so it's kind of like okay you know i
kind of suspected the voices were behind
this because they they came out in other
ways i started seeing that they ran
uh specific patterns and and one of
those patterns
was that they
i noticed that
when these patients attempted to read
the bible
the voices got louder they did not like
that
and i went that's that's odd for a
hallucination
you know why would a hallucination react
negatively to the bible
um and then i had one patient come in
and tell me
that the 23rd psalm when they repeated
that
it was akin to throwing worms on a hot
frying pan that's how these voices
reacted
and i'm going why why would that why
would a hallucination do that and that
was consistent so i started
handing out the 23rd psalm even at the
state hospital
um and the the reaction was consistent
the voices
reacted very negatively to the 23rd
psalm
and uh i'm like looking into this i'm
like
what research exists that
shows that these voices are
hallucinations there was none
psychiatry just made that up you know
it's being taught in all the academic
institutions it's being taught in
graduate schools being taught in
psychology
but there is nothing to back it
so it's um
then some other patterns also started
emerging i saw that these
voices that these people were hearing
were consistently negative
there was never anything positive and if
it was positive
it was used later to turn around
and and and get these patients and the
voices were always upsetting they were
always negative they were always
derogatory
uh they were telling these patients to
kill themselves and a number of them did
and what i saw was that when psychiatry
found out that the voices were telling a
patient to
commit suicide they jumped i mean that
was reality to them
it was all of a sudden the voices became
real and they became a real threat and
they would lock these people down on
suicide watch
they'd drug them silly and they'd keep
them in that state until
they admitted or agreed that they would
no longer kill themselves or they
weren't endangered
each other but that was the only
aspect of the voices they reacted to
they had no curiosity about what else
these voices were saying
what other effect they had on the
patient
they just wrote all that out they
weren't even curious about it they
they didn't ask them so i started
suspecting that it was the voices
that drove these people to do some of
the bizarre stuff
that they did um
had you know patients cut themselves i
mean the suicide rate in the state
hospital was enormous
their graveyard was over 30 000 patients
this hospital dated back to before the
civil war
right now they've closed it down but
it's one of the most haunted places on
the planet
so here was a a very
set unswerving pattern
that that had developed as i started
questioning patients about what these
voices were telling them
and they didn't want to talk about the
voices
and there was really no benefit in them
for them for doing them because you know
in the past their their typical
histories they tell their friends they
were hearing voices and their friends
would get freaked out
like something's wrong with this person
i mean they're hearing these i don't
hear them nobody else hears them
they're bad they're possessed and they
would start losing their friends their
friends would start backing away
um if they told the boss that was it
they probably didn't miss very long
after that
so the only people they had left were
their parents
so they tell their parents and by then
the voices were causing a lot of trouble
in the family they don't like families
they don't like babies they don't like
psychiatrists they don't like psychiat
psychologists and they especially don't
like
preachers or churches so when i found
out the
the voices reacted negatively to these
people going to church
because a lot of them figured out okay
this is something bad i need to go to
church and
and turn myself around i found that
i started questioning patients about
their experience with going to church
and i found that it broke down into
three different classes which i found
interesting and these were consistent
is that the voices weren't very strong
they would do everything they could to
convince the person not to go to church
you know before they got there you know
you got this to do you got that to do
you're wasting your time
literally or whatever but once they
walked into the church
those voices disappeared those were the
weak ones
if the voices were moderately strong
they'd do everything they could to
convince the person not to go to church
offer all kinds of distractions but when
they got there
and the preacher started talking they
would overtalk the preacher and get
louder and try to blot out
everything that preacher was trying to
say so they
they had to struggle to to hear what
what the pastor was saying
and if they were very strong the voices
would just drive them out they'd jump
up and they would run out of that church
and after they left then there would be
some relief
wow and that was consistent so i'm like
again going why would a hallucination
you know hallucinations are random
they're positive they're negative
they're
neutral they're all over the place
there's no pattern to them
but the voices were starting to show
very distinct
patterns and if they're a pattern
they're not
a hallucination they're showing
predictable patterns
and then i i noticed that when the
preacher
for the hospital would give a have a
social
gathering downstairs in the rehab center
that the schizophrenics didn't want to
go all the other patients went
but the schizophrenic patient stayed in
bed on the dim ward
you know sitting there staring at the
ceiling or
reading and then i would do rounds and
see what they were doing and
noticed the stuff they were reading was
negative
you know it was horror books war books
murder mysteries all kinds of negative
stuff
you never found anything positive on
their bed stance
that's odd you know i wonder what's
going on there
um but yeah i asked them
why don't you go down and get some ice
cream and cake i mean that was hard to
come by at the state house exactly
oh well you know i don't want to be
around people i don't want to i don't
want to listen to preachers i don't
believe in god i don't believe in jesus
it's a bunch of old
so i i began to strongly suspect
that the voices had
something to do with their behavior
there was one patient i remember who
in another psychiatric unit he
he cut off his penis yeah and that was
you know back then they didn't have any
cell phones uh
it was the grapevine where we got news
and that grapevine centered around the
hospital cafeteria
so all the news would be transferred
there from all the different units the
you know psychiatrist on this unit got
beat up one over there got beat up uh
strange cases like this guy and what
they did is they sewed it back on and it
was the hospital
uh it was for weeks that went off the
grapevine was talking about whether the
penis took or not
yeah and this happened on the
psychiatric
unit where my friend worked and you know
we had dinner together
often uh so i i asked him i said ed uh
how about going and looking up that
patient asking why he did that
and uh the next day he came back and
said what'd you ask him he goes yeah i
asked him
what did he say he said he didn't need
it
i'm like okay
yeah and were there was all these all
these
destructive behaviors that was carried
on
by schizophrenics
um and another thing i noticed is that
they would start
sabotaging themselves as they as they
got close to finishing their
vocational classes that we put them into
they would go off their meds
and and be thrown out or they would
just stop studying or they would stop
attending classes
it was it was almost like they couldn't
stand to succeed
wow and that was a pattern
also so the more i saw that the more i
started
asking them about their voices and again
back to
you know all the reasons they have for
not talking about their voices their
parents when they told their parents
they would take them to a psychiatrist
and psychiatrists would say
well you're mentally ill you have a
chemical brain imbalance
in your brain you have to take these
meds to fix it
it's a lifelong sentence you know you
have to take these for the rest of your
life
there is no cure and you have to come
see me
you know once a month so here's this
enormous bill
for uh psych meds uh with a
100 150 for his psychiatrist appointment
where he sees this person for
half an hour maybe well how's your meds
doing
they're not doing good they'll change
you know or too strong they'll change
them to something else so
what they do is they just switch the
medicines around
in the institutions all the major
institutions they're
they're just drug pushers they just
and what i noticed at the state hospital
too was the
drug representatives would show up and
they'd give
free lunches free dinners just come and
listen to the latest story about our our
newest drug
uh and all the psychiatrists would show
up they'd present all this
these graphs and stuff like that and uh
you know i'd ask them
what proof do you have that there's a
chemical brain imbalance and all they
could
list were correlations you know just
correlations
there was no objective proof yeah
but their medications didn't work i mean
uh in some cases where
you know they were just raving mad and
they take these meds and then they
become normal again so you know i'm like
okay what's going on
and i started asking patients i mean
questions
i'd pull them in and you know what are
the voices telling you what how do they
act
and i noticed that some of them got
upset when i asked those questions um
they didn't like answering them they
didn't like talking about the voices i
didn't understand exactly why
but i kept questioning that when i
noticed that they started getting upset
i'd back off
but in one or two cases not soon enough
and they went to
the psychiatrist and they said this this
guy's bothering me with
asking me questions about my voices and
the psychiatrist got upset and i got
ordered into his office and on the red
carpet and he's there
you know this patient told me that you
were
asking him about his hallucinations and
he's upset about it
i don't need you upsetting my patients i
have enough trouble without
you know people asking about
hallucinations
these are hallucinations they're they're
unreal and all you're doing by asking
them questions is reinforcing
you're making the patient worse and i
want you to stop
right away so there were two such
instances
that happened while i was working at the
state hospital over the seven years
where
psychiatrists ordered me to stop asking
questions about the voices to the
patients
so i had to i had to function below
their radar
and it was really hard to get them to to
talk about them because
in most cases if they started talking to
a staff member about their voices and
what the voices were saying
they'd get referred to the psychiatrist
and the psychiatrist would jack up their
medications and that's the last thing
they wanted because it's like a chemical
lobotomy
you know they the the
side effects i mean i can list them all
but they're awful
you know so they really didn't want to
more meds than they needed but it was
clear that the medications did work they
they weakened the voices very seldom did
they ever completely get rid of them but
they weakened them
so it was not a cure it was
basically an ongoing treatment
and a life sentence so they were told
they would have to take these awful
psychiatric drugs for the rest of their
lives uh and the cost was
was enormous for a person who doesn't
have insurance
so going forward a little bit you know
here
here in tucson 60 miles north of the
mexican border
for a patient to stay staying here in
the u.s
they're facing 150 psychiatric
visit to prescribe these awful meds
that are not abusable that nobody wants
to take
so i don't even know why they have them
under prescription
nobody wants this drug nobody wants to
take these
they're not abusable they're awful drugs
but they control them
so you have to go there you have to get
the prescription you have to go to the
pharmacy and then you're facing the
pharmacy pill which is some 750
uh a month for any psychotic drugs
so you're talking a a bill of close to a
thousand dollars a month that stays sane
in the united states
you cross the border over new mexico you
can get these same drugs
made by the same companies over the
counter for 75 bucks
and you don't need a psychiatric a point
you know you don't have to go back so if
you know these work for you
and you want to take them you just go
get them
so look at the discrepancy look look at
how the medical mafia
psychiatric mafia has control of these
things
and and you've got to pay through the
nose to stay sane
and it's unfortunately it's the people
who can at least afford these
that are hit by this and we're all
paying costs
because a lot of these people who
end up being taken to emergency rooms or
private psychiatric hospitals or even
state hospitals they can't pay for these
drugs
so big pharma the
psychiatric mafia is raking in a fortune
that we're all paying for
and medical costs in the united states
are just out of control
that's one of the reasons the
big pharma has bought off two-thirds of
the senate and two-thirds of the
congress
to pass laws that benefit them in their
profit
margin and we're all paying for it
so i saw that the meds didn't work to
cure anything if they went off the meds
the voices eventually came back
so the question was okay if it's not a
chemical imbalance that is causing
uh insanity then you know what is
in it the more evidence i got
the more it pointed to the voices but i
couldn't
really do a good study at the state
hospital because the
kind of underlying unwritten rule at the
state hospital was you don't do anything
to upset psychotic patients that you
don't have to
i mean if if you have to bring them
under control you have to but
otherwise you do nothing to upset them
and
that made sense in terms of
psychiatrists always getting beat up
they didn't want them upset
and you never knew how they're going to
react once they're upset
i mean they some of them have a slow
burning fuse some of them go off like an
explosion so
you never knew but that didn't stop me
from asking
questions about the voices and i would
get piece by piece by piece little
pieces
of of what the voices were telling these
people
and with each piece what i do when a new
patient came on and i started asking
them about the voices
they were very leery okay so when i
started off
if they felt that i believed that the
voices were just
unreal hallucinations they just shut me
off let me boom
you know conversation over i don't want
to talk to you you've got nothing
you know so i decided to give them the
benefit of the doubt
and they would tell me a little more and
each little piece i learned about the
voices uh
every new patient that came in i'd say
well you know tell me about the voices
this is what i know so far
you know and i would give them what
little information i had
and that changed their whole attitude
you know they're going well
this guy's not like the other one so i
mean he's at least got an open mind and
they would tell me
a little bit more and that built and
built and built
until you know after seven years and
this gal
telling her that the voices were telling
her not to take her medications
i strongly suspected that the bizarre
behavior
of psychotic patients was due to
the voices but i didn't want to believe
it
you know i absolutely didn't want to
believe it i didn't believe in
you know
i didn't want to believe they were
demons i didn't want to believe that
these were
separate entities i kept thinking that
this is something gone wrong with their
subconscious mind or this is you know
the way they were treated or you know i
just didn't
want to believe that i kind of
stonewalled it um
were you religious at all when you were
going through all this in the early
not really i i was kind of you know i i
knew there was god i knew there was
jesus i
i you know went to different churches um
but i i wasn't really wasn't you know a
bible thumper
um it wasn't like i was agnostic i knew
there was a god i knew jesus was
was around
you know i went to church periodically i
didn't pray a lot
but i was coming at it from the other
direction
as this evidence appeared before me
you know so when i when i started
hearing
um some of the responses to
patients reading the bible there was one
who told me
when he started reading the bible the
voices came
and said uh um
you know why why are you wasting your
time there jesus couldn't even save
himself what makes you think he's gonna
save you
yeah it's and i've heard that a couple
of times real cynical
yeah yeah like you're wasting your time
that
you know this is uh so
i'm like what are these things you know
what
um you know they
i suspected they weren't hallucinations
i didn't
really know what they were i suspected
they were driving all this
but i really wasn't free to question
these patients without getting into
trouble
you know so here i'm starting to see
these patterns
they started closing down the state
hospital
with proposition 13 started in
california it was a
basically a tax revolt so the mental
health authorities are going well it's
not good to keep these people
locked up in a hospital we're going to
set up a series of mental health centers
and they're going to be treated from
there and i'm going they won't even take
their medications
now that they're being handed to them on
a silver platter
and the staff are watching them taking
what makes these people think they're
going to go out of their way to go to a
mental health center when they probably
don't have transportation
and go through all the trouble to see a
psychiatrist there when they won't even
take them now
where they're being handed you know like
this is a crazy idea
on top of that they didn't have uh
enough mental health centers
so you know they created more mental
health centers and then they slowly
withdrew the funding
from them and these people ended up on
the streets
they ended up in the revolving door the
mental health center where they
they homeless people yeah for sure
um i did a video um we did to say we
raised some money just to find a random
homeless guy it was going to bless them
take them shopping spend a couple
hundred dollars just on a random
homeless person
and we picked him up and um he's in a
truck riding next to me i got a friend
of mine in the back seat but this guy
he picking up we'll talk to him and then
i'm driving and i'm looking at him and
he's doing he's talking under his breath
i'm gonna make something and he's doing
this
and he point he's pointing at me while
i'm driving i'm like oh lord
didn't didn't didn't know this was gonna
happen like it got weird it's like
okay and once we finally got to walmart
we took him around he was
talking i'm in walmart i'm walking i
mean why am i walking around i'm
i'm he was stuttering and just and he
would talk to himself but it was weird
because
when i would talk to him he immediately
he would answer
like he was having this conversation and
he was speaking it
but when we'd asked him a conversation
hey man you want to send oh yeah sure
let's get that yeah that's fine that's
good
and then he'd walk off and start talking
to himself and it's like he's in
dialogue
with something someone healthy dialogue
like we all have this all
this inner dialogue with ourselves it's
natural
like what where does it become demonic
a lot of people talking about like
having a split in your consciousness
where
it gets a mind of its own it has a name
it talks back it tells you to do things
you don't want to do
you know what i'm saying when do we know
that we got something going on because
we all have the inner dialogue but it's
there's something happen something
shifts with it and it starts doing
things that
are getting you in trouble it's you know
there would be some people who said that
they would listen to those voices in
their head and it benefits them it helps
them
like socrates talks about having this
um oracle that that he communed with and
it only
it criticized him like his conscious or
something right and it told him what he
should be
should and shouldn't be doing and things
like that what's the difference there
because we all have
the inner dialogue people joke around
and say it's okay to talk
talk to yourself you just don't answer
yourself
you know you can ask yourself questions
and have the inner dialogue but when it
starts talking back then you're in
trouble
how does one know that you know that
they're dealing with something
that's unhealthy is it because of the
fruit of it like it's causing them to do
self-inflicting things if it's running
off you know
uh friends it's self-sabotage because
everything that you've been talking
about we know people
even in mild situations that are like
self-sabotaging or running good friends
out of their life
or running pastors out of you know that
kind of thing when do we know that it's
something that's demonic and a split
personality versus
i'm just a real analytical you know
self introspective person who
communicates with myself all the time
well um the reality in this situation is
is that they get us all yeah that it's
it's a new
normal curve it's it's
everybody gets hit but it's most
noticeable with schizophrenics i mean
that's where it's glaring
now does it not not do these voices make
the person schizophrenic
or would they be clinically
schizophrenic and then the demons kind
of find this like
uh like bed to sleep in almost
well at some level they have to invite
these
entities in uh and one of the major ways
they
that i've seen that they do that
especially with working with prisoners
in the psych department
and the prisons was meth matthew
matthew does something to their
spiritual field that just opens them up
to these things
and you can tell you can look at a
person when they're on math and tell
just by their body movements
and the way they move their eyes where
they move their head their animations
are different
like you can definitely tell that they
have a different persona even about them
yeah and that's not them that you're
saying
so one thing people have to realize
is that not all their thoughts are
theirs
you know and where did thoughts come
from you know
the christian mystic sweden emmanuel
swedenborg answered that some 700 years
ago
and it and it's it's kind of like you
know the cartoons you
have two demonic or evil spirits
putting thoughts in your head and you
have two
guardian angel types that very seldom
speak
other than through feeling and intuition
okay
and these are constantly at battle so
the average person who gets hit the way
they experience it is they're just
minding their own business walking
around and all of a sudden this horrific
todd barges into their head to do
something that they would never do or
say something they would never say
that doesn't fit in with their
personality um
and you know it just horrifies them
um the last one i had that i really
remember is i have a
beautiful pure white
husky that's part wolf and because she's
part wolf she
gets into some trouble sometime which is
annoying but
she wasn't in trouble this day that here
in tucson instead of mowing lawns we'd
take a machete and cut cactus
just to keep it down so i was out in the
backyard with the machete
cutting cactus and uh here the dog runs
by and here's
this thought that just barges into my
head it goes cut her head off
and i'm like what you know it was like
horrifying and upsetting and i'd like to
never do that and it was
it was upsetting that i even had that
thought
so that's an instance where they come in
and they inject a thought into your mind
okay and it's it's upsetting thought
now one thing i noticed um
back in the hospital days and especially
when i was working in the prison
was that after the voices attack
the person is totally drained of energy
and that was consistent
so eventually the pattern was that every
time they attack the person is drained
so where does that energy go
then it's a one-to-one correlation and
if you would ask them what happened to
your energy they would say i don't know
but back to your question of how do you
know
when you're being hit with a demonic
thought well virtually every negative
thought you have
is sent by the dark side every single
negative thought you have about yourself
or anybody else is put there by the dark
side
now what they feed off
is the negative emotional they come and
i don't know how they do it but they
will suck that energy off and they will
leave that person
eviscerated energetically i mean i've
had prisoners tell me
that before an office appointment the
voices hit them and they drained them so
bad they couldn't even get out of bed
and this was consistent
so yeah they will put
thoughts into your head that will upset
you
and then they feed off the negative
emotional energy that that generates
and that took a while to notice um
you know i i had no idea why they were
so energetically drained
while i was in the prison i always kept
a small group of
prisoners around me that i had an
agreement with that
i'd see them once a week and the
agreement was they would tell me
everything their voices were saying in
real time
you know while we were talking together
almost like a form of channeling okay
kind of like you know so i would
say something and then they would talk
back and
then they'd say well the voices are
saying this
yeah and basically they were saying get
away from this guy
yeah you know don't listen to anything
he says
don't show up for your appointments and
and yet they did
so
yeah i remember one time walking into
the era when i was working
in one of the emergency rooms and a
patient i saw later she said soon as i
walked into the emergency room her
voices told her stay away from that guy
he's dangerous
so what i found was
working in the prison was that i could
ask all the questions i wanted and not
be in trouble with administration
yeah you know if a prisoner went to the
warden and said hey this guy's asking me
questions about my voices
get out of my face you know
that doesn't even hit the ambient noise
level of the place
so i had always had a group of prisoners
around me
that i agreed i'd do everything i could
to help them out
it's him once a week i'd help them with
everything i could help them with
trouble they get into with the
administration or whatever but the deal
was
they had to tell me in real time what
their voices were telling them
while we were talking and sometimes i'd
spend three or four hours
at a time with these guys until you know
some of the other sites started
wondering
hey i can't deal with these guys for
more than 20 minutes what's he doing in
there with three hours and that looks
suspicious
um but what i found is the voices ran
negative patterns they were always
telling these patients to do
stuff that would get them in trouble
and sometimes it got a little hairy
because
you know the voices would tell them to
assault me
you know and they would say well they're
telling me to attack you
and they would say i'm not going to do
it but i want you to know that's what
they're telling me
yeah and there were times they came in
and
you know one guy said well this guard
really
insulted me he really disrespected me
and if if that happens in prison
i mean that's like bad news that's like
lighting the fuse to stick a dynamite
and the prisoner was saying
i need to do something about this the
voices are telling me to attack him
um so
to start with i would tell all these
prisoners i was working with i said it
you know as long as you are not an
imminent threat to yourself
or anybody else if i don't feel you're
an imminent threat i'm not going to
interfere i'm not going to
get you in trouble i'm not going to have
you locked down
but the minute i think you're going to
hurt yourself or somebody else
i'm warning you ahead of time i will
take action
yeah we'll have you locked up
so it was like a fine balance again
because if
if i had once that prisoner told me hey
the voices are telling me to assault the
guard
you know to stab the guard um if i had
him locked down at that point
that would spread to all the others and
they would that would be the end call
you a snitch and you can't they call me
they wouldn't open up to you yeah they
wouldn't open up to me so it was like a
walking a fine line so what i did is
increase the number of appointments with
that guy
told him hey listen if you feel like
you're losing it come to my window and
throw a rock in my office window and
i'll get you in as soon as i can
and i would closely monitor him you know
and every time a situation
like that occurred yeah doing my best to
not
have to lock any of them down
because i knew what would happen i mean
i'd be cut off immediately
all the rest would shut up too now have
you found
that that
it amplifies when these people get
together because i mean obviously
we talked about it you know before we
went live the first time we talked
in prison man like you're in a cesspool
of mental
um you know people with with you i'm
saying middle problem schizophrenia
so many demons as far as like because
it's vile it's nasty
yes i mean we're talking about playing
with feces
you just hear people they want to see
what their insides look like
like it's some weird psychotic stuff
that you can never think of if you tried
your hardest
and you hear stuff that these people are
doing people with personality disorders
before the whole transgender movement
got really big
when you would see these transgen not
transgender they
they call them different names but in in
the penitentiary you have men
walking they're wearing panties they
find panties somebody brings them
panties from the outside and they're
wearing panties
they're wearing stock they wear a mop on
their head they tie
their they change their manual they're
acting like women
and and while and they get stuff from it
like just
these weird forms of psychosis that
these
adults are going through one guy and
again going with the feces stuff there
it there is a fascination with
demons in in and bile and throw up and
feces and urine
and you know this by being in the
prisons and in the hospitals but
one guy was afraid to use the bathroom
to do a number two because he thought
that
that the the freemasons would
take his feces his poop and
and uh make i he said they would make
idols out of it
the freemasons are taking their poop and
making idols out of it
so he would poop in a chip bag and fold
it up and throw it away in the garbage
because in his mind i don't know if
somebody told him this
if the demons told them if he watched
the documentary i don't know
i know that some of these conspiracies
and these weird things
feed the schizophrenia feed the paranoia
feed the demons with these different
ideas that they just run and new stuff
like that
and i know that's just scratching the
surface with the things that you've
heard and
individuals smearing it on them and
things like that but it gets really
really
really far out that if nobody's ever
been around
it's overwhelming like i'm sure you
you've had a lot of hard days because
i worked with with with the prisoners
for a short period of time
working for the city and the stuff that
i experienced
was insane and i know if you were in
there and and you were that symbol of
someone that i could be open with and
tell you what i'm
experiencing and you hear all of these
stories it is
it is it is crazy um but
when when everybody gets together is
there more does it amplify
do they outdo one another because you're
like in a whole cesspool of
it's one thing to have one friend who's
suffering but when you got 17 guys
who are doing this weird stuff and
you're just hearing stuff back to back
to back
you think it amplifies it when they all
get together or something
well let me let me address two of your
points there i think
your point with feces is interesting uh
because you're right and i saw this more
in the state hospital than i did in the
prison
is they have
the worst ones okay have some kind of
fixation with
feces yeah they'd smear it all over
their rooms
they'd paint their rooms with it
they'd smear it all over the floor
they'd smear it all over pictures with
it and stuff
yeah yeah crazy stuff you wouldn't even
fathom yeah
the worst one at the state's hospital
that i'd heard of
was this uh skinny guy in one of the
psych units i worked with it was the
third floor where they had the worst so
there was no
nobody rehabilitatable up there so i saw
them went there
but there was a skinny patient who's
completely naked
he was standing in front of the big
window that they had barred windows
completely naked and
when the attendant approached him to try
to get him back off the window
he turned around he smiled
he put his hand behind his butt and and
he
crapped diarrhea and he had a handful of
diarrhea and he's
flung it into his mouth and all over his
face and he looked at the attendant
and he said good boy good boy
so it was like the voices were telling
him
yeah good job good job you know
and the the poor tenant was like oh my
god you know
and he's got to clean that up there are
a number of times where the wounds were
smeared
uh there was one fella who slit his
wrist
and and the blood sprayed all the way to
the ceiling
and all over the walls i didn't know it
would go that far
um there were horrible things that that
happened there
the prison like you said was it was a
cesspool
uh you could feel as soon as you walked
if you're intuitive or empathic like a
lot of christians are
uh a lot of people are you it's it's
it's intimidating i'll say that it's a
very intimidating
if you're not if you not walking in your
power if you
if you have any chinks in your armor
they know about it
it is it's intense yeah
we had a saying there among some of us
who were trying to
do some good in that place is that no
good deed went unpunished
you know every time you tried to do
something good
it would eventually get wiped out um
that there was one time for years i
worked on
uh these people they were doing nothing
to change their thinking
absolutely nothing and all their
behavior was fostered by the way they
they were thinking they didn't do
anything to change their
their thinking um they had
a small group of chaplains who were
fundamentalists that a lot of prisoners
just didn't want anything to do with
but i started developing programs when i
got there and they would cheat on
you know so it was like how do you tell
they actually learned this stuff we
started with written tests that took a
lot of time
took a lot of effort they would find all
kinds of ways to cheat on them they
put answers inside of pens they write
answers on their hands i mean they would
cheat on everything
so over several years
my wife's a computer programmer we
developed a computer program that ran on
cheap
computers that would administer the test
for booklets on parenting on alcohol and
drug abuse on
co-dependency on all these subjects that
these guys were plagued with
they would take out the study guide
which we weren't copyrighted
and they'd study it and then they'd come
back and they take the test
on the computer so it took years but we
developed a computer program that would
randomly administer the questions
every time it did it would scramble the
answers
and then at the end it would grade score
and data bank the test so
here was a cutting edge system
that took us forever to develop and we
started setting it up
and hundreds of inmates were going
through
and some of the wardens i worked with
were you know not all of them but some
of them were
advanced so they called it the front-end
drug interdiction program any prisoner
who got caught with any kind of drug on
the unit
was required to go through the substance
abuse part of this
so it was very quick they'd come in
they'd turn in their their
booklet that was their ticket for the
test
the computer would they take the test on
the computer they would score their
answer if they passed they were given
the next one if they failed they were
giving the old one back again
and that all it took was one of the
prison counselors to start
the computers with two encrypted
passwords
and then just kind of monitor the lab
and
you know they had inmate clerks who
would take care of handing everything
out
they virtually had to do nothing except
be there
so we spread these all through the
arizona system
they were working great we had thousands
of inmates going through
all of them thought the program was
great they would steal the booklet send
them to their wives and say
look what i'm learning they went up in
other systems in oregon
nevada kentucky we had one
and eventually what happened in our
system is
the counselors were too freaking lazy to
start the computers and feed in the
encrypted passwords
so they turned that over to an inmate
clerk who then took over the program and
turned it into a business
so they would say oh well we'll pass you
on this and give you the answers to this
if you let me get three cans of coke or
some tobacco from the store so the
inmates had taken it over
and it not only one unit it was units
throughout the state when i would go
visit
i would i would see that the inmate
clerks were running these programs
and it was the big it went from one of
the most positive programs
that they'd ever had one of the cheapest
most measurable
time effective rehabilitation programs
that the prison system has
ever had to one of the biggest scams
that when so it messed up whenever they
quit letting counselors or people come
in to teach it and they they let the
inmates teach each other right
no they didn't have to teach anything
well they learned from the booklets
yeah so so they were given a a booklet
say
alcohol education there were 14 sections
here's section one study it come back
take the test next week
they come back they've handed the
booklet that was their ticket to access
the computer
they go to test one alcohol education
program
bring it up and the computer would
administer score
and data bank their test but
the encrypted passwords to prevent
inmates from getting into it had to be
fed in by a staff member
but what these counters did and it
wasn't just one unit it was
all over it was almost like they were
all linked
they gave these inmate clerks those
encrypted passwords and they turned it
into a business and when i found that
out
that this was happening on a large scale
now i went to uh
up to phoenix to you know the department
of corrections and
the head of substance abuse services and
i said
you guys need to do something about this
you've turned it from one of the most
positive
you know cost-effective programs that
you've ever had
now it's one of the biggest scams
you know that is reinforcing criminal
behavior that you've ever had
i said if you don't stop this if you
don't have your staff
run these things then shut them down
and that the the head of the substance
abuse section at that time looked at me
and she goes
you know you work for us we don't work
for you you do what we say
we don't do what you say and i said no
not in this case
i didn't develop this program it's
copyrighted my wife's name
she's the programmer you either run it
right or you shut it down
you know what they did they shut down
all the programs
every single one here's here's tens of
thousands of dollars worth of computers
that they just let rot and i stopped
supporting the rest
and it that didn't just happen in this
program and our prison here it happened
in all the other prisons too
including one federal prison or a warden
would say we don't want
any prisoner on any kind of computer
ever for any reason yeah
and they would shut them down yeah so
any good thing that you tried to do
in the prison system was wiped out
and this the programs that they do have
for the most part are just
for show you know they're not measurable
they just show up they get
a certificate they contract it just to
make it try to make it happen
yeah i went i've been through this
program and that program in this program
yeah well hey we're going to go to a
quick break here and i got a bunch more
questions for you jerry this is this is
heating up and everybody anybody has
questions as well
uh post them in the chat and we'll try
to get to them and so we'll go to a
quick break we'll be right back guys
wow so the throne room meditation man
this was just like a new level for me of
creating encounter
really the process behind it is going in
for myself
having an encounter with the lord
tapping into the spirit and getting in
his presence
and really just petitioning the father's
heart and saying god
what would you say to them if i'm
bringing these people with me here if
they're doing this guided meditation
and we're going through this journey
we're having fun we're seeing things
we're
experiencing new feelings and emotions
and sensations
what would you say to them so it's
channeling
the father's heart and relating it back
to the people so man it's just a
beautiful encounter
and i remember when i wrote the first
one
i was so excited about it and it was
just god speaking to my heart i was able
to channel the father's heart and
i would read the script to people
because i was just so excited while i
was working on it
and every time that i would just read
the script the presence of god would
just
invade me and i just burst into tears
and i couldn't even read it
i'm just like let me copy and paste it
and send it to you
but every time i listen to it i'm
immediately translated
back into the throne room of god and uh
everything's good there
that's the place where everything is
okay where in the scriptures it says
that we are to hide under the shadow of
the almighty
this is the throne room of god this is
the place that we can encounter for
ourselves
but this is also a place in which we
dwell so a part of us is
always there and we have access to that
now there's people who have never
encountered this before in their life
and it's a totally new experience for
them
and almost every time i get a testimony
back from someone
they just say how god wrecked their
lives that they didn't know what they
were getting into
next thing they know they're in the
presence of god wrapped up in his glory
he's communicating his love to them and
it just totally
wrecks their lives so make sure you
check out
the throne room guided meditation
visualization
that i brought to the table all right
we're back and guys you can actually get
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go check that out
jerry got a bunch of questions here man
we've been covering so much um
we kind of talked a little bit about it
you gave one example
um off the bat when we're talking about
how uh
people get into demonic oppression
demonic possession however you want to
call it
uh we talked about drug use crystal meth
now what about those individuals who
have never
uh experimented or used drugs and
they're still
suffering from these type of of symptoms
is it just
you know when they hear those those
thoughts when they think those negative
thoughts is it going deeper into that
because i feel like even with the drug
use that that is like amplified
these really weird outside of
space and time dark thoughts that people
are just kind of
thinking about or they can't get it out
of their head because they don't have
any control over their thoughts
for the the you know duration that
they're on crystal meth or crack cocaine
or anything like that but
those seem like for you know for the
average person that those that's
extreme cases of people who are
demonically possessed or
should be demonically possessed but
again you were saying that
everybody deals with these thoughts how
do these entities or these spirits get
access to
somebody's life uh to where it becomes
second nature
because even when we we're using these
terms like voices and things like that
not everybody you know can can can uh
you know um resonate with that term
they've never heard an
audible voice they've never had these
these this inner dialogue of going back
and forth with something that seems
foreign
um some of it's more subtle what are
some of the different doorways that
that uh people are opening up for for
you know
demonic possession and well there it's a
number
um one of the most powerful the quickest
like we said was meth
and you know that came on while
i was in the prison all of a sudden all
these prisoners are coming in hearing
voices
saying they started when they started
using meth and what was interesting is
these voices
when they ran out of drugs those voices
would tell them where to be and when to
be there to get more meth
and they show up at that spot and a
stranger complete stranger would show up
with meth
wow or they tell them which houses to
rob uh
when to be there generally where the
loot was not
specifically but generally whether the
person was
up and when to get out of the house you
know so
here's these voices telling them stuff
that they didn't know
that they didn't have that information
in
other ways people get possessed is with
ouija boards
i mean i don't know how many people i
talked to who were playing with ouija
boards
that all of a sudden started hearing
voices
um one of the latest ones i've heard and
it's been repeated is these people who
play with uh
you know now i i actually know and speak
to people who
do this but they're they're not
possessed but the
uh electronic voice recordings
you know where they're recording stuff
you're trying to piece stuff you're
talking about trying to find ghosts and
things like that
right and those those are getting really
popular too with all kind of apps and
tick-tock filming your house and trying
to find a ghost in it and
yeah even if it's not a ghost like what
it does in your mind like
to even open that that those areas up
for something to present itself to you
yeah
it opened something up i've i've spoken
to a number of patients who said i was
playing with a ouija board and it
started answering questions and
then i started hearing the voice in my
mind and then it then it stayed there
now another thing with these entities is
like sharks smelling blood they are
attracted to negative
emotional energy like a shark is
attracted to blood
so some of the largest
most numerous ways people get infested
with these things
is by extreme physical sexual and
emotional abuse
so they start running these negative
thoughts
you know and generating negative emotion
and these things
just oh here's here's a hogs trough and
they just kind of move in
and from what i've seen parents who are
schizophrenic
generate the conditions for their
offspring to also become schizophrenic
they
they beat them they torture them i've
heard you know they've burned them with
cigarettes they locked them in dark
closets they do that kind of stuff
and that starts another generation so
it's not genetic they have no genetic
proof of this
you know and here's the medical
establishment trying to
kind of reason that it's some kind of
physical
malady yeah it's not this this is
spiritual warfare these
voices are negative destructive
parasitic entities and i don't know if
you've read anything on carlos castanada
have you ever read any of his words a
little bit
not much though well at one point toward
the end of his series
he said they give us their minds
so it is a separate mind that is
operating
within you and they don't want
the individual to realize that
they are with them so i don't know how
many patients
that had actually asked them who are you
what are you
guess what their answer was i'm you
that's exactly right yeah
we we are you they don't
want the person to get any kind of
notion
that they are separate from who that
individual
is and you were asking a while ago how
do you tell the difference
of in between something positive and
negative
the only real way is by the intent
what is the intent of that thought
if that if the intent of that thought is
to get you to
behave in a negative manner to get you
in trouble to generate negative
emotional energy
that is them and what they do is they
install these thoughts they're like
fishermen
they'll throw a negative thought in your
head and say
hey will he bite on this you know and if
if you do it's like okay they hook in
they'll throw more
they're really in and intensify that
you know so you know these people that
get pissed off and then you know they're
this much pissed off and then they keep
remunerating remunerating and building
and building the building
that's them feeding the fire
what they're after is that negative
emotional energy
that is only generated by humans
yeah and that's what they feed off of so
if you think we're at the top of the
feeding chain
we are not they're feeding on us
constantly
yeah now i i mean i always love to play
the devil's advocate
and i think that's how we get to the
bottom of a lot of these these these
hard
questions you know um when you have
people who are struggling and then
they get into church right they start
going to church
they start doing better and the voices
leave um
they read the bible and there's this
there's a standoff
you know uh stuff that they have going
on because like
inwardly like deep down in in their
psyche i feel like they know that
it represents light it represents jesus
that is of
which is good and they're bad they've
they've done a lot of bad stuff in their
life there's reasons that they shouldn't
approach that the voices the demons are
reminding them
why they're not worthy to approach
something so holy something so beautiful
and they're just being reminded that's
definitely going
on um my question is for the place of
solace for the the uh the
individual because i feel like if
someone has like a blanket
that is their comfort blanket as long as
i have that blanket i'm gonna feel
comfortable
and so someone can be really afraid have
their blanket
and they feel better they can you know
they're stuffed animals they had when
they're kid as long as they have that
animal it brings them peace and so
inwardly the struggle of you know
feeling insecure feeling scared as long
as i got that i'm okay as long as the
door's cracked i'm okay
you know as long as you don't shut the
door i'm okay like we have these
these weird connections in our minds
with what's gonna make us okay
and so a lot of people when it comes to
church when it comes to jesus
if we step into that we step into jesus
we'll be okay
if i call on his name i'll be okay right
there's this mental connection
with that being said my question have
you
looked into it yet have you looked into
any other cases if not definitely a good
thing to look into
uh someone coming from maybe the muslim
faith
who is dealing with schizophrenia and
demonic
entities they would call them gin right
in in in the muslim tradition
um are they seeing any breakthrough as
they become more religious
are they able to step into what
represents peace and being
a devotee of the quran and and starting
to
you know keep the feast and those kind
of things that they do that that in
their sight they're taking a step to
that which is good they're coming away
from the
the drugs the gangs whatever negative
lifestyle to step into more of a wholly
set apart life
and knowing that mentally that doing
that is saying goodbye
to the person that they was as they
become more devout
are they seeing similar results in the
muslim
faith in in other religions as well
yes i've spoken to an egyptian
psychiatrist
um i've spoken to
a professor in turkey uh yes they they
do call them the gin
uh they are more aware of
the demonic side than people in the
western world
it's it's almost like uh oh yeah angels
are fine
i mean we believe in angels angels are
good everybody's got a guardian angel
but then when you start talking about
the demonic side they don't hear it
you know they they don't want it what is
it 23 times in the bible jesus cast out
demons and and these crazy people
returned
to sanity yeah it's it's like they just
totally ignore that
uh psychiatry and psychology and
even counseling i mean i've been through
all these in
in the educational system and graduate
school
nowhere i mean it's what they teach is
as spiritually dry
as the sahara desert you know i felt
like my soul was
was parched when i was in in
undergraduate and graduate school and
they're not
going to find any answers until they
realize that you can't split off the
mind from the spirit
i mean it's it's a spirit that thinks
it's a spirited field so
it's it's the spirit that is aware
it's not the body this is just this
chemical biological spacesuit
and and mental illness it has to do with
spiritual illness
um they're trying to keep it physical
and it's the biggest scam
that they've ever perpetrated and drug
companies have an
awful lot of money to keep it going
they've influenced academia
they've they're still teaching this if
you look at the drug commercials for
antidepressants and antipsychotics
they're still preaching the chemical
imbalance stuff
which has been disproved over and over
and over again
so they can't find anything and then
they jump back to going well it must be
something we'll find it within the next
10 years it's got to be a very
complex mixture of all these different
things
but they won't ask questions about the
voices they're hallucinations
so they just wrote them off and
psychiatry just gets up on the
grandstand and goes
we hereby declare that these voices that
schizophrenics are hearing
are hallucinations because we said so
and that's it they have no research they
have no backing they have
nothing to and they haven't even
investigated it because
why would you investigate a
hallucination but when these things
all they got to do is open their eyes
and and see
some of the stuff i've i'm talking about
it's right there
in front of their friggin faces what
they've got to do is
look it's right there you know and they
won't even see they walk around like
this
well i mean if you're i think if you're
secular
uh you have to come up with another
explanation because that would
validate the bible that would validate
spirituality that would validate demons
and that can't be true
so they have to come up with these other
explanations in science and
and medicine right i mean how much money
are they out
again where you have the people where
they get a thousand dollars a month
to be sane or become devout in going to
church
and cleaning up your life and the voices
subsiding then
which is what you've been finding i mean
so they have to have another reason
that you know way that uh to approach
this to get freedom from it or even just
to call what it is again the word
freedom a lot of
they wouldn't even use that word right
that's definitely a very christian
thing to say that you can get freedom
from from from these voices
um and i'm speaking from experience
again you know i have my
experiences in encounters um what i want
to ask you though
because there is this connection there
uh when it comes to medicine
a lot of people especially in
christendom they frown
upon taking medicine to uh to
you know help you to to help you cope
and things like that and i think a lot
of it is connected with
your spirituality you don't need
medicine you just need jesus that kind
of thing right
and some people would say there are
reasons and there are things that you
know medication can help
with i don't know if it's with mental
illness or whatever but
there's this movie which is based on a
true story the exorcism of
emily rose and so you you're familiar
with that one right where they were
uh trying to cast the demons out of this
girl she was oppressed with demons
possessed they're trying to cast the
demons out but the demons had legal
right
to be there in her life due to the
medicine
that she was taking and that they would
they would always get her
so far but uh the doctor would never let
her stop taking the medication and
supposedly
she ended up dying and it was because
the demons
never left because they had a legal
ground to be there
through the the medicine that she was
taking well i i would tend to
i i'd say that would probably be
atypical now you know as much as i rail
against these medicines
what they do is they will calm
the person down okay they're major
tranquilizers
so even some of the stuff that i put out
what to do about the voices
you know how to handle them the reading
of the bible
the voices in a lot of patients are so
strong
that if they open the bible the voices
immediately blast them
or they try to do anything to weaken the
voices on their own
the voices just make their lives
miserable and nightmares and
constant harassment and constant put
downs and
and you know you're no good you're
worthless you're stupid what makes you
think that it does and it's just a
constant barrage of this you know all
their waking hours
and then nightmares at night the
medications
do work to weaken the voices
seldom while they get rid of them but on
those medications
while the voices are weakened then they
can start
reading the bible or doing some of the
the exercises they need to do
or some of the programs that we've put
out
to help them get rid of the voices but
they're way too strong
to start with yeah but they are very
dangerous they do
shrink the brain they rot out the
peripheral nervous system
they destroy the frontal lobe and and
they cause
irreparable damage with long-term use so
they should only be used as a stop-gap
measure but what psychiatry and the
mental health system are doing now is
they're putting these people on these
toxic medications that are slowly
destroying their nervous systems
and saying you must stay on these you
know
and some some of them are being ordered
on those legally
and they go off and it's just just a big
revolving door
they go off them they go back to the
hospital they get put back on them again
they're released
they go off them again it's just and
each time the
the psychiatric mafia and the big pharma
is making
3.7 billion dollars
a year selling these toxic medications
all of them have side effects and some
of the worst side effects are the
antipsychotic drugs so yeah they are
useful
i don't want to say hey don't take them
and i've never
i mean the voices don't want them on
those meds and they'll tell them
don't take these meds yeah you know
they're poisonous they're toxic
and one thing i did see though is the
voices will
say quit those those meds and drink
alcohol or take meth or take heroin you
may as well get
these drugs will make you feel better
not worse like the psych drugs
you know so that what they want to do is
get them addicted and once they're
addicted then
then that negative emotional energy of
fighting the addiction is
constant so what they want is a a person
who
constantly generates negative emotional
energy that they feed off of
and one thing i found interesting is
that the voices didn't like the patients
taking marijuana
they didn't want them using marijuana
you know because it calmed them down
without the after effects
they wanted them using alcohol or
cocaine or heroin
or meth or some other drug they didn't
like marijuana and they actually told
them not to take it
my friend here uh jaguars in the
comments section he says
he says that exact response from from
the psychologist
led to my mom's death in 2005.
i'm glad you guys are bringing this to
light i have known this for many years
now
but if i had known it then
well they you know they won't let this
information out
you know any alternative treatment
that is brought forth they will jump on
it with a
um with both feet dr dr ermark a
a very well respected researcher in
turkey
um wrote an article
in a one of the
one of the journals um
he watched a shaman actually cure
schizophrenic
repeatedly and what he did is wrote a
journal article saying
hey listen i've witnessed this can maybe
the medical establishment ought to at
least take a look at this
once that was published they attacked
him all upside
down and inside out and it was just
attack after attack after attack you had
all these academics that would jump in
there and go
you're trying to bring us back to the
stone age and
medical people jump in there and go yeah
you're full of crap and
how could you even suggest such a thing
i mean the reaction was so
volatile that the poor guy was beat down
he's just saying hey
why don't you take a look this is
working and they just
i remember one lady from i think it was
oxford and england just
she knew nothing about schizophrenia you
could tell from what she wrote when she
was just
blasting him man i sent her an email and
just told her where to get off the boat
man she just
i mean just ego just raw ego yeah that's
one thing that we that we were talking
about
um about dr stella emmanuel the
lady who spoke out which was one of the
doctors on this panel of doctors that
spoke out against covet and what was
you know that they were seeing people
cured from covet
by taking care of their bodies and
vitamin c and in these kind of
zinc and things like that and and you
know they made a lot of people mad
you know um because they were coming out
with
coming out speaking out against doctors
and speaking out
against the pharmaceutical industry and
against cover and these were doctors
speaking out against it and they find
out that she is a deliverance minister
that not only that she's a doctor but
she helps people spiritually and she's
been
casting out demons and people who have
been coming to her for
years who who are you know demonically
possessed and oppressed and she's been
helping them cast out demons people come
to her
in all types of mindsets and personas
getting set free and cast out and so
when they was to talk about it they just
wanted to
you know go after her character oh you
believe that they're sexual demons and
because she was
that was her big thing she had a video
on on the um
uh incubus and succubus and those things
the sex
sexual demons that are getting on people
through sexual misconduct
and crazy sexual orgies and just stuff
like that and
these weird connections that are and so
they all came out cnn and all these
places
instead of dealing with the information
that she was bringing to the table they
tried to sabotage her character
again you believe in the primitive you
know prayer
prayer minister and stuff like that and
it was funny when they did these
interviews with her that she she didn't
back down she's like yes i believe in it
and she
just seen that as as promo
for the light in the work that she was
doing and
she got so much traffic where they tried
to you know demonize her
and make fun of her and ridicule she
said really kill me all you want
we're seeing results people are calling
calling me from all over the world
who need help and we're helping them get
freedom and this is some somebody who
was out there
bringing this to the forefront you know
deliverance ministers spiritual warfare
demons and stuff like that so that was
that was really cool but like you said
that you know the the rest of the people
in
in the medical community they you know
denounce them make fun of them ridicule
them
that's what they always do that you know
they always do that with the truth
anyway
well they they don't make any money
curing people they make money
true endlessly treating them like they
do with
in the mental health system you know
every single one of those 300 some
diagnosis
that are in the dsm their directory
their bible the psychiatric bible
the directory of statistical mental
illness
type things every single one of those
diagnoses
are fabricated they're made up by a
board of psychiatrists that get together
and go well we've seen these symptoms
we're going to call it
this illness now so that they started
off with
you know less than 100 like i think it
was 70 something
you know back in the 50s and now it's
over over 300
and every year they add new
mental illnesses that they make up and
here comes the drug companies right
behind them
oh yeah if you have these symptoms we
have these drugs to take them and six
months later
they're being sued but now they they
rigged it
through congress and the senate where
they can't be sued anymore i mean
they've got to be brought
under control i mean but they're so
powerful and they have so much money
um you know people
people have to understand that
it's the spirit that gets sick before
the body does
yes deep um we know i was talking about
conspiracy theories and people watching
videos and
there's something listen we always know
that
something's going on with the television
with them being able to transmit
thoughts and belief systems and they'll
put out a tv show and it'll change the
consciousness of the people like
there's some really deep spiritual stuff
when it comes to to the uh
television and a lot of this stuff
that's
coming out of there um or messing with
people people watching movies and stuff
and they feel like they got it
like some kind of spirit um where people
watching documentaries or hearing
ministers or whatever
there's a lot of people in my audience
who
i feel like are dealing with
schizophrenia um dealing with
what i found dealing with spirituality
and religion
there's a lot of people even in the
churches who seem
it's not as bad as it once was maybe it
changed a little bit but there's some
weird psychosis there's some delusional
people if you will
we'll say strong delusions now if that's
demons working in a different way with
weird thoughts that you think
are truth that you think are reality um
i have to understand that a lot of
people who find my work they find
other people that i'm shoulder to
shoulder with first who
i believe teach some things that aren't
healthy and
weird things that i think give birth to
psychosis which can
open up the door for possession and um
oppression some of this part for me i'm
real leery with
mediums people trying to contact the
dead
and disembodied spirits again you
mentioned the occult and ouija boards
and things like that
opening up doors it definitely opened up
doors in my life
i'm in the middle of those people i talk
to them i'm trying to get in front of
their audience because
i feel like i have the antidote which
which i believe is christ which is god
which is
the bible beautiful worship music i i i
prescribe people that stuff
like how do i get free this is i give
them you know certain things
but there's some people who they have
these delusions about these
things that they've seen or heard in
past lives
and there's like i have people in my
audience they'll reach out to me and one
woman claims that she's my mother
from ancient egypt and she's
reincarnated here to connect with me and
to
watch over me and guide me and i have no
i don't believe it i have no it doesn't
resonate with me i think she's
delusion i think she's suffering um but
you notice that spirituality and some of
these other
religious ideas they give they're like a
breeding ground or a cesspool even
much like the prisons maybe to these
weird
far out ideas we could see them even
giving birth to weird cults
like back in the 90s we had you know we
had heaven's gate
you know they thought that the ufo was
traveling behind the hillbop comet i
believe it was one of the comments and
that when it passed over
if they killed themselves they can
descend and go aboard the ufo and these
they got enough people to believe these
things and it's still going on those are
really destructive hey take your own
life
some of them i think are more subtle i
have
people think thinking that they're my uh
um
mother another lady thinks that she's my
wife from a previous life
and we need to reconnect and just crazy
off the wall stuff that i think is
demonic
um but i feel like these conspiracy
theories and some of these different
spiritual ideas poor
fire a poor poor uh gas on the fire
for some of these weird delusions what
do you think about that like we need to
be
um careful about what we put in front of
our
our eyes the bible says the eyes are the
windows to the soul
and that we shall set no evil thing
before our eyes
um and it also job talks about how it'll
cling to you these evil things cling to
you
that you behold um what would you say
about that the past lives and i'm
some people think they're jesus
reincarnated their moses here back from
the dead and they have this
with that there's like this mandate that
they have to
these huge grandiose ideas of themselves
that are much bigger than
little little old them who has been
unimportant their whole life
when it comes to some of these ideas
what would you say when it
ties into schizophrenia and demonic
oppression
well i i think to start with you're
you're exactly right with the television
so if you look at how these
negative entities operate they want to
constantly keep the person upset angry
feeling guilty shameful
any negative emotion they want
to generate and feed that okay so you
look at the kind of stuff that comes on
tv
you know these horror movies you know
that scared the jesus out of people i
mean one after another after another
generating negative fearful emotional
energy
and then these these commercials that
come on you know buy this deodorant you
stink um
feed your senses um you know
buy this by that i i mean you know
you're being constantly bombarded with
information to keep you focused outside
yourself
and entangled with physical reality and
the senses
and you know the bible wants you looking
inside and
once you're finding your spirituality
inside
it says your life is inside it comes
that your energy doesn't
come from you it comes from a greater
spirit
and and everything on the television is
negative negative negative news uh
conspiracy conspiracies
uh you turn that thing on and it's just
you're being blasted
and you're being programmed and then you
have the the mainstream media
that is just completely controlled by
the cabal
feeding you constantly you know
and and this is what people are
digesting and it's only recently coming
out
as to how bad it actually is and how
how these small group of wealthy people
are actually controlling
how people think and behave via the
television
you know so yeah we're being bombarded
and and refocused to focus
outside into the physical instead of
looking inside
to the spirit yeah
yeah there's a a lot of stuff again
pouring
gas on the fire for for a lot of people
in their delusions and
the interesting thing too when we're
reading the bible it talks about
uh demonic strongholds and it talks
about that these are thought forms and
ideas that go against who god says you
are
and uh and god says you're blessed
you're
uh loved right so thoughts on the
on the opposite of that i'm nothing i'm
stupid i'm this i'm that
i never amount to anything those
thoughts is what these these negative
entities
uh push out and then when you come into
agreement with those thoughts they form
an identity
and again like you're having the
identity
of these spirits if you will demons that
you
that are coming from outside of you that
you feel like are your own because you
said yes
maybe they've been familiar the bible
talks about familiar spirits you
you've become familiar with those uh
those thoughts about who you are
and it's not who god says you are it's
not for your greater good it's something
to
uh to bring about it opens the door for
um depression
um mental illness and all of these
things
from uh entertaining
these negative thoughts and ideas about
yourself
that are not good and so it talks about
the stronghold
set in and
you think that eventually these demons
are speaking
they're giving you thoughts their
thoughts they're asking you to do
things and you think it's you want that
that that desire these things you're
thinking that you
you know why do i need to go like you
said cut the head off of my dog
we hear people talking i gotta
interviewed a friend of mine several
weeks back
he said he gets it all the time they
tell them to walk out in traffic
you know walk out in traffic people talk
about grab
you know wanting to you know run their
vehicle off the bridge
just end it end it man end it be a lot
easier go ahead and do it do it do it do
it do it and you pass the bridge
like wow what that was weird some people
when they get to the same bridge
every time do it do it do it do it like
you know yep it's insane and that's it
do it do it do it they try to get you to
do it now now what's so
what's so insidious about this is that
for most people
those thoughts sound just like their
regular thoughts that they have
thousands of thoughts during the day
they sound
just like their regular thoughts yeah
you know you can't tell the difference
in most cases
there's no change in in voice tone or
timber or anything like that they sound
just like your normal thoughts
and i found that out through personal
experience while i was working at the
state hospital i remember one one day i
i'm going what are these what are these
voices what are they
i'm praying uh to be shown what these
voices are you know
what do they feel like what what are
they um
about a week later what i do is after
after
finishing the day at the state hospital
i was living on a lake
and i'd go out around sunset and
i'd swim because all the traffic would
would die down
so a couple of weeks after i prayed for
this i was heading out into lake
swimming i was a i'm like a fish in
water i was this
you know certified scuba diver for years
i love the water
had no fear of it whatsoever and i'm
heading out into the lake at sunset
and i hit like this hypnotic stroke
where i'm taking in just enough air to
not feel uncomfortable and i'm cutting
through the water
and after a while i started feeling
tired
and i don't know how far i went so i
stopped and i looked up and it's
starting to get dark
and i look around i'm way way far out
you know i'm too far out and too tired
to make it back to shore in the
condition i was
but yeah i wasn't worried about it at
all i mean you know the scuba training i
had isn't like the screw between
today we had to take a semester of skin
diving and then a semester of scuba
diving at temple university before they
even let you
strap on a tank and they they really put
you through
through some of the paces there they
really so
yeah i wasn't worried about it they
taught us a survival flow you know kind
of you put your hands behind your back
and you you lean over in the water and
you're floating like a dead person
you know your back's out of the water
your head your face is in the water
when you run out of air you whip your
head back blow out the air and then you
start sinking
and then before your face goes under you
fill your lungs and you you drop below
the surface and then you bounce back up
again
you just float there for as long as you
can hold your breath and then you hit
your head and you just do that it takes
very
little energy you know if the water is
warm you could do that for days
so uh here here comes this
thought it goes uh
you're too tired to make it back to the
short which was true
hey it's getting dark and the lights are
starting to go out on the shore
that's true you know um
one other thing is uh that was true
and and then the last one was you're
gonna drown
and i'm like where the hell did that
come from you know
that was the furthest thing from from my
consciousness the furthest thing from my
thoughts
and uh it just kept repeating this over
and over again
so as i was sinking after taking the
breath
it would come back and it sounded just
like my normal thoughts there wasn't any
change or
timber it sounded it was you know it's
like what is it
why why am i telling myself these things
i mean i've never done that before
it and i wasn't there was no fear there
was no belief in it
but as i was sinking after taking a
breath it goes
see you're sinking you're you're heading
for the bottom you're gonna drown
and i come back up and i go what the
hell is this thing
you know so i figured i'm gonna spite it
so the next time i went down instead of
bobbing to the surface
i'd let out aaron and i sunk further
down then it by now it was dark
what you hit is a crush step where the
water pressure collapses your lungs and
then you start sinking really fast
so i hit that and i started sinking
really fast and i went
whoa this is too fast and i shot to the
surface again when i got to the surface
here it is again you're panicking you're
too tired to make it to the shore
the lights are going out you're going to
drown and i'm going
what what what the hell so i'm going
okay next time i let out the air
i sank really fast i'm heading toward
the bottom i had no had no
idea how deep the lake was at that point
i'm clearing my ears as i'm going down
and all of a sudden i feel this chilling
cold coming up my legs
and considering what's going on i'm like
whoa what's that like
even before i got to the surface i knew
it was the thermocline there's a layer
of cold water that usually lays above
the
on the ground on the floor of the lake
um
and it's heavy so it sinks so i hit the
top and here it's again
so you're panicking you're too tired to
make it back in here it is you know
it's ending with and you're going to
drown what the hell is
this so go down again
hit the thermal here the cold water
comes all the way up my body
go through the thermocline um
and there there was a layer of warm
water
below the thermocline which i'd never
encountered before
so all of a sudden i feel this something
coming up
from my feet and and moving up my legs
you know
and i shot to the surface again and by
before i got there i realized it was the
muck at the bottom of the lake
you know i thought it was rock because
it was always rocking
along the shore when i got to the top
this time it ran through that same
scenario you're going to drown and it
says and there's a motorboat coming
right towards you they can't see you and
it's going to cut you to pieces
you know but i i didn't hear it
underwater you can hear
vote engines for a long way i didn't
hear it but i look up and in the
distance
is this motorboat moving in my direction
so i'm like you know looking at it and
it's going they can't see you
you know they're going to hit you
they're going to grind you to pieces
and nobody will ever know and then i'm
i'm like well
you know i'm not worried about it i had
to duck the hook below motor boats
before when i was scuba diving if i need
to i'll go down below the level of the
engine i'll stay there until it passes
over
so i wasn't really worried about it i
was watching it i was monitoring it
and watching this boat come closer and
closer and closer
and then it passes by about you know
maybe
15 yards in front of me they didn't see
me goes by
i'm watching as it passes i'm not paying
attention to the weight
so as i'm taking in a mouthful of air
that weight comes and it you know fills
my mouth and i start
coughing and sputtering and i'm like
during it you know
and spitting it out and here here comes
this thing again
see you're coughing you're panicking
you're gonna drown
um you know and i'm like
what the hell is this thing so i went
down again and this time i hit the
bottom my feet stuck in the mud
and i'm i'm floating above the bottom
with my knuckles
you know like maybe six inches above the
bottom and i'm
i'm scared because this is a really
weird thing it's completely dark
it's completely silent um the water is
so warm i couldn't feel my body
i was my feet were stuck in soft muck
and i was
worried enough to just only
be aware and i'm sitting there my mind
is blank
and i was aware that i was aware and
that's
all there was you know and and then
it was like a peak moment because that's
what's there once you
shut off all the all the senses because
all these senses are constantly flooding
your mind they're
constantly driving your mind but what's
there when you remove the senses and
remove the thought is just awareness
you know that's what's there it's just
spirit it's aware that you're aware that
that's what's there
all this other stuff is is
forms the mind all these thoughts form
the mind all the propaganda
forms the mind so
these people in the deep state have been
controlling us forever
i mean forever they manipulate what you
think they
feed you thoughts they they they control
you
that way that the federal reserve a
private bank has turned
us all into slaves for for ever
i mean um you know
but to just free your mind even if you
have a mantra
one of the things the voices hate the
most is the 23rd psalm so you were
talking about
like a blanket that you could hold on to
the repetition of the 23rd psalm is that
blanket
yeah they hate that they hate the lord's
prayer and they hate
um the song amazing grace
so i've had patients more than one tell
me that when you when they repeated the
23rd song the voices reacted like worms
thrown on a hot frying pan
i told you uh i mean you watched my
videos that i sent you
and um that was the only thing that that
brought me solace you know was
was opening the bible and i and there
would be times that i had to run
out of when i was coming out of that
stuff the occultism and witchcraft when
i was
going schizophrenic i mean going into um
a superstore to to get groceries with my
grandmother and my girlfriend at the
time
it's it was um it was surreal like
everyone's looking
the whole store is staring at me and
and everybody's making i'm walking past
people and everybody's making direct eye
contact
and i'm freaking out in my head i got
demons talking to me and
i got to get out of here i got to go sit
in the car i got to get out of here
i was going through that stuff man it
was so scary um
um but once i was coming out of it
you know getting i got back in in the
church and repented and asked for god's
forgiveness for
opening up those doors and one by one he
began to shut those doors and kind of
walk me through that process and a lot
a lot of it i had to like kind of uh you
know i had to reteach my mind i had to
train retrain my mind on how to grow
what those blankets are i had no
blankets right
like what those blankets were and again
they were scriptures you know i could
quote the scripture i can listen to
worship songs certain music that
immediately would bring me into the
presence of god
i'd play that music and i'd immediately
feel peace i'd be crazy-headed
put that on immediately feel peace
remember
my wife was working out of town on a
business trip and i went with her
and we were out having a nice dinner out
of town somewhere and we're sitting at
the table waiting on our food
and i can hear everyone talking
and the like there's heightened psychic
senses too because you're opening up the
doors to the occult there's so much
going on that you just don't know how to
you know rece you know how to process it
and i can hear
everyone talking i can hear what they're
thinking and i'm sitting at the table
trying to
focus on my wife when i can hear
everyone i gotta go
i gotta go i gotta and i just got up and
ran out pretty much
and went and sat on in the car and i
said you pay for it you bring it with me
i'll eat it at the hotel and i cranked
the car and i had to put on worship
music and open the bible and start
praying
it was so great i was so crazy had it
coming
out of that stuff and it took a while
but
getting into the scriptures was i'd be
at family gatherings and i had to go sit
i had to go sit
in the car and leave and start reading
the bible i'd open the psalms and start
reading
and start praying and immediately that
peace would come back to me
and it was a while until i was able to
really be able to
stand on my own and be in large crowds
that's a big one a lot of schizophrenics
cannot be in large crowds
you know they i had i mean i was outside
one day
a buddy of mine he was dealing with
schizophrenia and this was
he was he was a christian too dealing
with schizophrenia
and he came over and he got out of his
car he was about to come walking in and
i was watching him
and he looked seen how many cars were
there and he you could see it when it
hit him he said no
i mean he got back in his car and left
so he didn't even come in because he's
seen all these people over here
you know and so it's so overwhelming for
people and
and that's the my antidote like i i
prescribe people hey
find you some good music i usually
request tell them to you know bethel
music really beautiful worship music and
reading the scriptures and
um you know it works it worked for me
that's the only thing i got and
even times like it's not like as crazy
as it was but if i ever get overwhelmed
just with
life and date that my day-to-day it
still works for me
you know i still i tell my even though
it's not the same like mentally or
whatever
i'm i'm cleaning myself up pretty good
over the years and i've learned how to
deal and all that
i still keep myself in that same place
of desperation because i feel like
it you could go back there you know a
lot of people don't make it out
a lot of people don't make it out of
that some people go some people make it
out and go back
you know and so um i feel like what
got me out is what keeps me out
and knowing that i'm i need god and my
desperation and his love and his
kindness that extends to me daily is
what helps me
stay focused like this life is
overwhelming again you're talking about
images and thoughts and television shows
it's like designed
like you're lucky if you make it through
this thing and you're okay
unscathed you know because the odds are
against you
so this talk and this spirituality and
jesus and all of this stuff
like we have to have this conversation
because people are looking for a way out
it makes me it makes me uh
be more vocal about my truth and about
the reality of who jesus is in my life
and who he can be in your life
when i hear about people in our
community who get into
other things they maybe they're maybe
they
trying to start channeling um the dead
they try to start contacting disembodied
spirits or whatever
and i'm like don't do that whatever you
know makes you think that that's a good
idea
and if you think that i'm okay with it
let me be clear and let you know that
hey you're
messing with dangerous ground and these
things are a lot smarter than you
be careful and then that and um
and and be in talking to people who are
dealing with schizophrenia and
who take their own life and and i know
they listen to my podcast like that's a
loss man
for sure like i i got to get more vocal
i can't like give you another
alternative i can't i love to talk about
all aspects of spirituality
but they're not going to like
be the answer they're not the end
end-all answer jesus is
you know um so it makes me when when i
find out that people in my community or
friends or whatever fall into different
things it makes me be more vocal
and some people oh you're a little bit
more religious now i was like no i'm
always that
but let me be a little bit more clear
with you like you might need it a little
bit more clear i don't
even though we have this conversation i
don't condone that you know what i'm
saying my goal
in this podcast i get i talk to psychics
i talk to i talk to everybody i talk to
people
the goal is to get in front of that
community get in front of that peop
those people who are struggling
with those voices and you don't know
they don't know where to go
they have no idea you know they're not
going to try church and religion
religions
kick them out made fun of them and you
know for whatever
reason it is but i just let them know
that you know christ hasn't kicked them
out you know god
still loves them and that love is what
enables you
to walk in freedom that love is what
enables you to walk in
grace and peace no matter what you're
going through no matter what thoughts
you're thinking people
out here really going through it you
know right now and it's designed to do
that
you know so yes and it's it's a fight
because these things do not want
people to move in a spiritual positive
spiritual direction they will do
everything
they can to distract them and move them
away from that
another strange thing that i found
i remember the day this happened is um
while i was working in the prison i
thought that these voices ran
patterns they were consistently negative
um i strongly suspected that they were
driving schizophrenia
so what i started doing was looking and
experimenting with ways to
interfere with those patterns and with
the voices
and the prisoners started getting better
um and then they that group that i told
you about
one after another they came in and they
they would tell me the voices are really
getting pissed with you they're really
getting angry with you they're telling
me not to come here
they're telling me you're dangerous they
tell me to sleep in
um they don't they don't like what
you're doing
so one after another after another and
then one guy i've been working with for
a while he turns around as he's leaving
one day and he looks at me and he goes
you realize what you're doing is
dangerous don't you
and i'm just looking at him like no that
hadn't crossed my mind
you know it's it's i'm thinking well the
whatever these things are they're your
thoughts they're in your head
they're not in me you know
they belong to you they can't affect me
and and he turns around and he leaves
and i don't say anything and i'm
thinking about that
um so he he continues
doing the different exercises that we've
come up with and he's getting better and
better
the voices are getting weaker and weaker
and then
one day he knocks on my door uh without
an appointment
and he he
i said well what hey what's up and he
goes hey the voices want to talk to you
and i'm like they want to talk to me
personally that never happened before it
was always
you know i'd talk to the patient the
patient tell me what the voices were
saying
i'd tell him something and tell the
voices to go jump in the toilet or
whatever
it went like that but the person was
always the in between
and i i said well come on and sit down
and it's
what they have to say and he looks at me
and
he goes out of these words these words
came out of his mouth
it was you have no right to
interfere with our way of life
our way of life and then he goes that
wasn't me that was them
they wanted that message they wanted to
tell you that personally
and it was like
it was at that point where i realized
that these things
after denying it for decades
you know it was at that point i realized
that these were
individual entities that were
functioning
through these people and i went to do a
response and i said well tell them
this and he said no i don't need to tell
them they can hear you
they can see you you know they can speak
through me
so they they see everything i see they
hear everything i hear
and that was a revelation to me too so
these things are
actually like castanada said
they give us their mind and it's a it's
a
separate mind that is parasitic in
nature
like a virus it's like a mental virus
and they
they cause the person to generate
negative emotional energy and that's
what they
feed off of that's why you never see an
energetic or happy schizophrenia
they're always amazing they're always
dreamed
well that's why the scripture again
going back to the scripture paul says
but you have the mind of christ
there's a distinction with these
different minds or you want to say mind
personas
you take on this persona again you're
going back back to
how they have a different they have
their own
minds willing emotions that they put
upon you but they make you think that
it's you
hey we want to overeat hey we want to
sexually indulge
they make you think that it's you that
wants this you don't really want that
you don't want to keep going back to
that dope
you don't want to keep going back to
crystal meth and smoking crack and
stealing from your family
you don't want to do that but you for
some reason you can't stop it
you're not alone again talking about
these different
personas that kind of sit in with you
when jesus casted out demons they
introduced themselves as names
they had their own names we are legion
we are this we are that
and they're they're letting you know in
my experience
you know these demons coming out naming
themselves of what
at least their job or what they did or
you know what they carry out
very interesting that they present
themselves and and they have different
names and stuff as well
yeah there was a period of time where i
was actually carrying
on conversations with them yeah
you know and i did that long enough to
realize that they were
separate entities and they would respond
in independently of what the person
thought
so with the same person the same
individual that
uh his voices were saying
you have the right to interfere with our
way of life i
i kind of ignored him and kept working
with this guy and he kept getting better
and better and better
and then one one day he he comes into my
office for his appointment
and he looks really strange and uh
that was after what i was doing was i
was reading some shamanic
stuff i was reading stuff by miguel ruiz
who who was talking about
these kind of entities and them being
parasites
and i i didn't realize they were
parasites at the time
but i brought that book into the prison
and when this
same fella came in i
outlined a paragraph and i said listen
this is a
shaman talking about what seems to be
similar to what your voices have been
telling you
and it was it was also talking about the
energy drain
you know so what i did was uh i started
reading that term and i said i'd like
your opinion on this
i got to the point where it started
talking about the energy drain
and i looked at this guy and he looked
like a zombie he was just
staring he had this glazed overlook yeah
and all of a sudden
in back of my head there was this like
loud
explosion of crackling like an arc
welder
and i was like crack crack crack and i'm
like what
what's going on and it's like crack
crack crack and it goes over to the
right hand wall
and and i'm looking but i'm afraid to
take my eyes off of him because i'm
thinking he's going to attack
and i pushed my chair against the back
wall because what they did is they put
female guards over the medical unit at
that time
um and you know by the time they got
i mean they would be virtually useless
if one of these guys attacked you so
you're basically on your own
pushed my chair against the back wall
got ready to kick him back if he came at
me
and i'm trying to split my attention
between watching him with that strange
affect
and trying to see whatever it was that
was making this loud it sounded just
like an arc wonder you know crack crack
crack and it moved at a 45 degree angle
up the right wall and i'm kind of
switching my attention back and forth
back and forth
and then it starts moving across the
ceiling
over his head so i can see clearly and
there was nothing there
wow crap crap crack right and all the
while he's staring at me with this
this zombie-like stare he's not moving
and i'd say to him i said you hear that
he doesn't respond he's just staring at
me and i'm like freaked out from his
reaction
and freaked out from this crackling and
then it starts crackling down the left
wall
which is right next to my leg and it
jumps into this
rubbermaid trash can right at my leg and
i'm looking between that and him
and it's empty it's completely empty but
this thing is crackling
in there and i'm like totally freaked
out
and it lasted 20 25 seconds it wasn't
just a brief episode it went on like
seemingly forever you know and i'm kind
of looking back and forth like
and and then he slowly gets up
and he goes i gotta go
and he shuffles out of there and i'm
like
so he finally leaves and i'm i'm shocked
i'm stunned i'm actually
just sitting there like what the hell
just happened
you know and he leaves and i go inspect
the wall
there's no burn marks there's nothing i
see nothing that could cause that at all
but i clearly heard it
i went out into the hall checked all the
other doctors offices down the hall
there's nobody there i'm the only one
in that wing the the female guard was up
front she she didn't hear anything of
this because i had
the door closed um and i'm shocked
i mean i just went into shock it's like
what
the hell just yeah and you know i
i canceled all my appointments for the
day i was stunned through and there's
nobody i could talk to about this
you know i can't go to my boss and go
hey man it just happened
hey yourself and i'm starting to wonder
that am i going nuts going crazy
that's what they want you to think they
want you to question your sanity yeah
well they i
i was believe me i was and uh
i didn't call him back probably for
two months i didn't call him back and
finally i got up the courage to do that
and he comes in and he's looking spry
and chipper i thought he would be
decimated i thought he would be
destroyed you know if they could do that
they certainly could destroy him but i'm
looking at him and
he's looking good and i said how are you
he says i'm i'm doing fine i'm doing the
exercises you gave me i'm
i'm keeping the voices down i'm able to
function
and i said well have a seat i said you
know we did some small talk and then i
said
last time you were here do you remember
hearing that crackling
and he goes yeah yeah i heard it and he
says i'm surprised you did
and i'm like what was that
and he said that was them you know i
said
you mean them the voices he said yeah
that was them that was the voices
and said well what were they what were
they doing
he said they were trying to scare you
off i said well they did a damn good job
of it
you know and i said uh you looked really
strange when you left my office i said
what were the voices telling you when
you left
he said they were telling me to go get a
shank and stick it in your belly
that's a homemade prison knife yeah and
uh
i went you know i'm thinking ah he would
never do that i've been working with him
for
months i mean he would he would never do
that i felt i was safe
and i said well why didn't you do it and
he looked me in the eye and he says
i couldn't find one
i went holy cow you know so
here was the realization that yeah
this could get dangerous you know this
this could get yeah that's why i was
wanting to ask you because
obviously it it could have got dangerous
really quick and you've seen some
some paranormal activity from this stuff
right they wanna
i don't know if they wanna they wanna
scare you for sure they wanna
uh all you as well show you what they
have power in our realm that kind of
stuff
um a lot a lot of the big i think that's
a follow
father malachi martin and a lot of other
noted exorcists
talk about the lifespan of an
exorcist especially in the catholic
tradition uh it's not very long
that once you're in doing this kind of
work you have a target on your back
and a lot of people even with that they
don't make it out they go mad they have
to retire early
a lot of different stuff with those who
who step into spiritual warfare
and casting out of demons or helping
people
work through their demons if you will
there's many different ways to deal with
it
um they say you have a target on your
back so for you obviously
that that was you know one example did
you ever have any of those things even
when you go home
and they try to mess with you or scare
you did you go through any
inner turmoil with your in your family
life and your spiritual life or
or even see some more like poltergeist
paranormal type stuff going on
yeah i did it's it's interesting you you
say the lifespan of exorcist is um
cut short because that's the same thing
with psychiatrists
their suicide rate is almost exactly the
same
as that of schizophrenics which is three
to five times out of the normal
population
so these entities do not like them
dishing out the drugs
that calm these people and interfere
with their
harvesting of their loose or their
negative emotional energy
if they can bring down a preacher that's
that's 10 points for them
yeah all right but yeah they i
i always felt that i was an adrenaline
junkie all my life i mean i'm starting
to slow down now
so for me this was exciting and
dangerous
um but i always felt i always had this
feeling that i was being protected
and i remember one time i was talking to
a schizophrenic gal
and in the er and interviewing her
and all of a sudden she looks to my side
and she's staring off to the side
and i'm like hey what's going on and
she goes uh out of clear blue she says
you're never going to get hurt
doing this work out of the clear blue
air i'm like
i said where'd that come from what makes
you think that she says i see this giant
angel
behind you that is protecting you you're
never going to get hurt
and i never have you know i've had some
close calls there was one where
uh psychotic alcoholic apache
these guys were mean to start with and i
was i had an intern and i was kind of
trying to show her
what these guys are like and i pushed
him a little bit too far
he picked up a freaking sofa chair and
threw it at me and it just clipped the
top of my head and bounced off the wall
but other than that i've never been hurt
but you know other people i've worked
with have
yeah but i never considered it um
yeah so so that that's interesting that
the uh exorcists
um yes but yeah i got
to wear and i don't know how i developed
this i don't know exactly when it
started
but i know it was active while i was in
the later years of the prison and all
through the 10 years i worked
psychiatrists in the er
i could actually get to where i could
feel
these entities i couldn't see them
i couldn't hear them but i could feel
them it was a very
unique feeling it was it was like this
icky
cold electrical energy there's no other
feeling like it and what are the
intimidation with that at all was there
like the intimidation
because they'd like to do that a lot too
well
i felt intimidated a couple of times
when it was so strong
i thought it was going to break through
so i always
felt that that i had this protective
armor on you know and that extended
a few feet beyond me but there were
times
when these things were so strong i felt
that that was like star trek
pushed to with like a thousandth of an
inch
above my skin and i always wondered what
would happen if it gave way
you know that was always like what if it
breaks what if it gives way
you know because i could feel the
intensity so these patients couldn't lie
to me
you know i'd say you're hearing the
voices and they'd go no
and i'd say yes you are and this is how
strong they are
you know they go how do you know that i
said well i can feel it
and and also what they
didn't want the last thing these things
wanted their victims to know was that
they were energetic parasites
and every and they had to know that
because if you had a parasite on you
you wouldn't just go oh that's okay you
do something to remove it
you know so if you found something
sucking on your life energy or something
sucking on your body or your blood you'd
want to get rid of it automatically you
just want to get you don't want that
kind of thing happening
so these things did not want these
patients to know
that they were energetic parasites and
that's what set off that crackling thing
you know when you know i came
to understand now that there was a
situation where it became very clear
that they were energetic parasites very
clear
so from then on i had to show these
people well these things are energetic
parasites
and i'd say every time they come you're
completely drained right
yeah right where'd your energy go
well i don't know and there was another
i don't know
that went on for ever
you know they didn't know what happened
and and i'd say
well you didn't use it you were laying
in bed you were rolling around in bed
having nightmares or
fighting with the voices you didn't use
that energy where did it go
well i don't know it just disappeared
some of them said they felt it just
leaving they could feel it leaving
the very last thing that these entities
want people to know is that they're
feeding off of them
so every time i went to tell a patient i
had to be careful
because you know
that psychiatrists aren't going to like
this
so in the er they didn't leave you any
time to really work with people
so what i had to do was determine who
could benefit from the information i had
how much of it i could give them and how
far i could push it before
they left and then hoped that they could
figure it out on their own
because they wanted all all the hospital
wanted was to
for you to determine what should be done
with that patient
either get him out hospitalize him or
send him to a mental health clinic or
tell his family they wanted him out of
there
they didn't want psych patients holding
up beds they didn't want you doing any
kind of therapeutic work or helping
these people
all they wanted to do was medicate them
charge them
and get them out of there so
i did what i could to help them and one
of the things was to
make them aware that they were being fed
off i knew that as soon as i
broached that topic the voices were
going to go nuts
they were going to go crazy they did it
consistently every time
so what they would do they ran a pattern
which was really interesting
as as soon as the voices realized i was
about to tell the patient that they were
parasitic entities they would
number one tell tell the patient to get
out of the office
to leave to go back to their bed to
escape the
emergency room but but first they'd say
don't listen to anything he said
they'd say he's he's a nutcase don't
listen to anything he says
he's he's bizarre it's all lies
don't listen to him but by then i gave
him enough information
to know that i knew stuff that they
didn't about their own voices so they
stayed there
the second thing they would do is say
get out get away from
escape the er get out of the hospital
discharge yourself voluntarily
get away from this guy if they didn't do
that
they would then tell them to attack me
so that was like clockwork it went off
every single time
and it was like the same scenario and it
happened
scores of times so i started using this
to creep up on them because if they
realized what i was doing
they would start acting up immediately
and and start getting so loud the
patient couldn't hear
anything i was saying they just start
screaming
so i had to kind of creep up on him and
i would ask him i said are you hearing
voices right now and they said well
no so when's the last time you heard
them well about a half an hour ago
and i said well you're going to be
hearing them in about five
minutes and they're going to be very
loud and this is what they're going to
tell you
they're going to tell you i'm crazy i'm
stupid i'm a lunatic don't listen to
anything and say
get away from me escape the er get out
of the hospital and if that doesn't work
they're going to tell you to attack me
well i won't do that but i said i know
you won't but
this is what they're going to say and
like clockwork soon as i brought up the
energetic parasite stuff bam bam bam
right down the line
so here i was telling them what the
voices were going to say
before they said it and what was so
bizarre
is they were so robotic in nature that
they could not stop that progression
you know if somebody told you hey you're
going to jump on your head you're going
to spin around three times in five
minutes you go
screw you i'm not you know that's
bizarre but these things could not stop
that they could not stop reacting they
could not stop
that same progression right and i had a
number of patients go well
how do you know that how how how did you
know that how did you know what they
were going to say
you know and they they'd ask me did were
you are you crazy do you understa
have you been there you know no i'm not
but you know i've studied these things
for years and that's what they do
they are energetic parasites they're
sucking your life energy
they're keeping you from spiritually
growing they're
they're destroying your life and they're
feeding off you
it's interesting you talk about how you
know that they don't like preachers
you know preachers um one of the guys
here in chat my friend jaguar
i think he's still here let me know if
you're still here but he had a um
a close call of somebody close to him
and his family
and i want to play this this clip just
so you can you can hear it
um so his brother
was walking outside of a bank
in sims which is close to mobile alabama
and i knew the preacher there was a
street preacher out there
and this is like the most meek laid-back
street preacher ever he doesn't even
preach he just kind of teaches bible
stories
he's out there open there preaching with
a microphone and he's telling you the
story of abraham
and so he's not like in your face like
and so
he walks out the store and he sees the
street preacher and then he sees this
other guy come up
and uh gets in his face and so he gets
in the face of the street preacher and
he's like cussing them out because he's
like
you know filled with demons and um
he starts tussling with them he starts
trying to fight
the the preacher and uh so the him and
the preacher a tussling
and then um the guy's
mom was in the car his mom gets out of
the car with this long knife
and goes up and stabs the preacher in
the back and there's a story right here
i'm gonna i'm gonna show this for you
guys who are
watching now so i think jaguar is still
in chat with us let me
play a little clip of this good evening
everyone i'm bob grip
and i'm lenis legon thank you for
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streaming on fox 10
times mobile county deputies say the two
were helping a man who was preaching
in the parking lot in sims through his
loudspeaker
they say the man was being attacked and
then beaten with a gun
fox news reporter andrew perez spoke
with the preacher he joins us live in
the studio with the details on this
andrew
yeah bob lanes gene duffy says tonight
he's got
two guardian angels authorities say the
parking lot preacher was being harassed
and
threatened when two good samaritans ran
to his rescue both of them
risking their lives to save his this
this is the answer for all the things
going on in the world
for more than 35 years gene duffy says
he's been
preaching in parking lots across mobile
county
on what god said he would do in his work
because what he said he
would do is exactly what he will do but
wednesday afternoon while
preaching in the sims walmart parking
lot duffy says
mere words quickly escalated to violence
i was preaching and the two people
walked over a fine young man you know
didn't have a shirt on an older woman
and they come over and he loved and put
a gun to my head and said he was going
to kill me and she put a knife she says
he don't do the iowa
authorities say 26 year old jesse reed
and 53 year old sandra jerome
threatened duffy ordering him to stop
preaching
that's when deputies say two good
samaritans who were inside a nearby
new horizons credit union ran out to
help two guys came and they ran
interference and a couple of guys ran up
to
front him investigators say 36-year-old
kenneth cushman
and 22-year-old steven stewart were
stabbed
four to five times each in the back
deputies say the two suspects and a 16
year-old
ran off and were later caught by patrol
units along
moffett road within the last two or
three hours i had an assault mate on my
life
and i've been weeping
over the people that did it stuffy says
it was quite an experience but
still something he is used to you've had
it happen before
oh absolutely yeah got everything from
gun
yeah this guy was a sweet soul man he's
no longer with us
um he uh he passed away last year but um
so it wasn't him that got stabbed it was
the two
individuals who came out to help which
was my friend jaguar
his brother and another individual both
got stabbed as they were tussling with
this
this old lady and you if you look at the
pit the mug shot to this lady like
something's going on
you know you can tell something's off
definitely drugs for sure
but uh stabbed both of them and uh he
ended up they have footage i think of
him going to the hospital and visiting
them in the hospital thanking him and
stuff like that for taking up and i
remember when it happened i told i told
my friend here i said man i
you know i think just because of that
they have a seat in heaven
for taking up for god's preacher out
there for taking up for the man of god
you know
and you know i'm saying jokingly but
just to see that but
yeah i used to street preach and we'd
have all kinds of people
and they'd come by us and tell us if we
don't turn it off they're gonna
kill us and fight us and all kinds of
stuff
um but demons are real man and uh and
they don't like preachers for sure
um that that was interesting and there's
so many of those right there's so many
of those that
that go on um also this is another
something else i wanted to look up to
and and run by you
because we're talking about like how
real this is for a lot of people it's
always somebody else it's always another
family
it's always somebody else who's demon
possessed and they kind of they don't
think it could be them or or you know
how real it is but there's a couple of
websites here i wanted to pull these
these articles
um choc the children's health
talks about kids and suicide right
because one thing that comes along with
with the demonic possession is this
fascination with suicide
but it says that these these children
are saying things like this
it says i shouldn't there's voices that
are telling them i shouldn't be here
i wish i could disappear forever i don't
want to live here anymore i want to kill
myself
the voices tell me to kill myself my
parents won't even miss me
talks about being a burden to others and
having no reason to live
experiencing unbearable pain i'm just
going to submit this what if
that kid doesn't feel that way what if
that kid is just
that's how the spirit feels nobody
misses me
i don't want to be here anymore like
what if they're like projecting
these ideas on to these unsuspecting
children like
it's going over with with teenagers and
it concerns me i have a teenage daughter
um there's even more uh uh here's one um
out of the uk i believe the gazette
times
uh kinko who's the guy's last name
claims voices told him to kill his
parents and classmates
and these kids that are going on these
school shootings and things they talk
about the voices
and one thing that's interesting is that
most of them are on medication
most of these kids that do any school
shootings are on medication another
article
the voices told me to kill my mother
voices telling them to kill somebody
another one the voices told me to kill
my mother
chilling confession of a mad murderer
and
uh costa blancas
and one more this one's interesting
daily mail wikileaks founder julian
assange
is preparing to kill himself in prison
after hearing voices in his set saying
we're coming to get you psychiatrist
tells
after hearing julian assange how am i
hearing these voices that are associated
with
taking your own life and suicide
well they they do have something out
there called the
voice of god where they can transmit
into the person's
head thoughts now who
who is this today is that is that the
government and
the government doing this the deep state
mk ultra can do that
that's where yeah that's where it gets
weird too because
some like i have friends who feel like
they're getting you know sent thoughts
from
vans outside of their homes and black
helicopters
my experience is supernatural
you know in my you know how you get over
that supernatural but they don't want to
hear
the supernatural stuff when they're
saying listen it's not a demon doing it
it's a man outside my window
sending me thoughts i know they have
that technology but a lot of times
the demons themselves will say it's
the government exactly or you know that
way
they don't have to take personal
responsibility yeah yeah
so there's nothing you can do about it
because the government's doing this
to you it's not a problem with you it's
not something you can fix exactly
it's coming in from an outside source
and so you can't tell them that though
because
they don't want to hear that because
it's a helicopter that's sending it
you know it's a van you're you're
talking i i've seen
young kids hearing voices i mean when i
was working in the er
beyond belief you know and then here
comes psychiatry drugs and it's
right now 7.2 million kids are on
psychiatric drugs
in the year 7.2 million 622
700 of them are kids under the age of
five
80 235 are on adhd meds
that's basically amphetamine you know 38
534 and antidepressants 389
558 are in any anxiety drugs
so it's it's it's like
no don't take responsibility for your
own mental state
you know something's wrong with you
internally something's wrong with your
chemistry
take these drugs and feel better so
it's like they're being told you're not
responsible for how you feel you're not
responsible for how you think there's
nothing you can do about it
take these drugs that's all that's what
we're gonna offer you so they're
drugging all of society
i mean you look at the the television
it's drug commercial after drug
commercial after drug commercial after
drug commercial
it's not like hey there's a spiritual
solution to this hey you're responsible
for what you think you're responsible
for what you entertain
you're responsible for what you act on
no no you're not responsible take these
drugs
it'll fix it you know and they're making
billions of dollars a year selling these
toxic things
you know it's nuts it's crazy what
they're doing
yeah it's a um hard conversation to have
but we're definitely having it um and
we're having to have it again i got a
i've got a uh a teenage daughter who's
you know dealing with this stuff and
coming of age and all of that and
fitting in
and um man and i'm not the only one i'm
talking to a lot of dads a lot of moms
people um going through this you know
it's hard
and so the easy i think the easy way is
yeah get them on this medicine
and i was talking to a friend this
morning about um
the first time i seen ritalin in action
my daughter was playing with her friend
we were at a hotel because we were out
of town
and we had friends who were locally
there and they came over to visit us and
they brought their kid
and my daughter's playing with this
little girl and it was like 11 o'clock
11 a.m
it's like okay time for your medicine
and they're just normal kid they're
having fun they're being rambunctious
and
they're running around doing their stuff
it's okay time for your medicine
they give her her medicine and she's
shut down like a robot and she just sat
on the couch staring at the wall
and i was like what's wrong what's wrong
like she got in trouble and got put in
time out
when they gave her her medicine she um
and just
went to staring and it was like oh wow
that's how it works you know and when i
got to see that like
it's the i feel like even that's the
easy way out you have to work with these
kids
differently they respond differently
their genetic makeup may be a little bit
different you have to
give them an outlet they got all of this
energy and you don't
feel like taking them to the park you
don't feel like
you know when we were kids we got sent
outside and we when we came back in
we was chilled out and so these kids now
aren't even going outside so you got all
of this energy in your living room
you know and so there's so much that to
be said
but the i feel like the easy way out is
the drugs or
working through your problems working
through your anxiety
listen you you know it's not just that
easy pill or just this easy way out we
all
we all mess up we all have these
feelings and we all feel inadequate
but it's working through all of that
stuff right
well it is but you know there's a bigger
picture too
back in 1910 or prior to that they had
all kinds of therapies they had tesla's
electric ray they had
naturopathy electric therapy all kinds
of
therapies and they were all out there
and they were all doing their individual
thing
then around 1910 the carnegie foundation
and the rockefeller group sponsored
what they called the infamous flexner
report
which basically shut down any medical
school that was teaching subjects out of
means
out of outside of mainstream
pharmacology so it's basically
you either teach drug related therapy or
we're shutting you down
yeah yeah so they they weren't making
enough money i guess selling drugs and
some of these other
therapies were interfering with their
profit margin
so they made it illegal you know so
that the edict was so powerful that only
a few medical schools survived
like john hopkins and mcgill and a
handful of others that were connected
with these groups
the rest all the medical schools were
shut out they could not
practice medicine or teach medicine
or have an accreditation to teach
medicine
unless they taught pharmaceutically
oriented
medicine i mean drugs are the answer to
everything
because they don't make a profit off of
these other things
so you know doctors who practice any
other
kind of medicine beside pharmacology
were shut down and threatened and
lost their license you know
so these guys at that point basically
took over the medical schools
you know and said the only answer
to anything is these drugs that we're
selling for a profit
and it's been that way ever since now
you've got the drug industry that has
one of the most powerful lobbies in the
country
two-thirds of the congress and
two-thirds of the senate have been
bought off
by these drug companies and a majority
of the people who
make these psychiatric diagnoses are
also under the influence of the drug
companies
yeah you know so these drug companies
are
it becomes the mlm like they they get
money for
you know writing these prescriptions
right like what's the percentage of it
because like i'm a little a little
nervous my my daughter is actually
supposed to go tomorrow to go
talk to a therapist for the first time
like what are the like the like what's
the percentage that they're gonna try
to get her prescribed to something if
she ha she does she has anxiety she
totally has anxiety it is it's crazy
anxiety it really is she'll freak out
when she gets
super anxious she blocks up it's really
weird
um but like what is what are the odds of
them
trying to put her on something you know
i'm kind of worried about it if it's a
if it's a psychiatrist it's probably
pretty high
and most of those anxiety drugs are
uh addictive you know valium libra
equilibrium
those kind of things that calm you down
um
they're addictive you know so if it's
not what would they say that like if you
were having like an anxiety attack to
take this or to take this every day like
what is the most common
practice with something like that with a
teenager
if it's a psychiatrist they're probably
going to try to order some kind of drug
from what i've seen is
there are some good private
psychiatrists out there who spend time
talking with the person and trying to
work them through that
but that's not what most of them do yeah
most of them are drug
pushers oh you're having anxiety we got
a drug that'll fix them yeah
here take this and it works but the
thing is that they become dependent on
that
they your mind is like a
you know the more you use
let me shut this it down the more you
use it the um
the stronger it gets yeah you know it's
it's like a muscle
if you use it to cope your pumping
skills will get better
what these drugs are like chemical casts
you know so you're not using your
coping system to cope with these
problems
you're using the drug yeah you know so
it's the first step toward okay if this
works when heroin works
better yeah yeah um
i i'd be very careful about that and
if they try to prescribe her anything
now there's certain things you could
take b vitamins or calmer down
um cheese milk and turkey have natural
tryptophan
now they banned tryptophan for sale
because the chinese were
producing tainted tryptophan so they cut
it out of the entire market
you know it's a natural thing that calms
you down
um now they have med uh
melatonin but it'll come but it's very
very subtle you know yeah she takes
melatonin for uh
for sleep which i like to take it too
from from time to time yeah me too
yeah but yeah cheese milk and turkey
have natural tryptophan and after you
eat a big turkey banner you'll pass out
somewhere
but i'd be very careful about letting
them put her on
anything maybe get her involved with
meditation or some kind of sports where
she
wears herself out yeah her sport she
loves she's definitely a sport she loves
it and it definitely helps for
sure um but yeah i mean
you know again like teenagers coming of
age you're gonna deal with stuff right
so again
like and having somebody to talk to is
huge i feel like you know
and um and especially when you're trying
to talk to your friends they're giving
you bad advice
like having somebody to talk to is is
big and um
obviously find her a therapist that is
not dishing out drugs
yeah you know somebody who deals with
probably do reviews and stuff too right
on these
on these guys you think that that some
of these people have reviews if we know
where we're going and stuff
uh yeah i'm sure um
you probably can find information on
them um
but you know the best thing is word of
mouth really
you know the font to find a good one
and you know it's how she feels if she
doesn't like
the person find her another therapist
but be real careful about taking her to
a psychiatrist
because for the most part it's
definitely a uh
they just have drugs yes therapy but i
mean at the same time i'm sure that
some of them are still getting in on
some of that money too
you know got the hand in the cookie jar
yeah
mental health centers they kind of work
together
you know where the psychiatrist dishes
out the drugs and
they have individual therapists also
working there um
you know it's a good combination because
the psychiatrists don't want to spend
the time
to most cases to talk to the person
individually unless it's a
and there are psychiatrists how to do
that in private practice but in the
mental health centers and
in the hospitals and
so you know psychiatrists are basically
drug pushers
they push those pills
yep um yeah i'm reading some of the
comments here
man we've done almost three hours man on
your birthday
holy cow yeah two hours and 40 minutes
so far and uh
i appreciate you hanging out with me
this has been really good it's right up
my alley and uh
really enjoyed it and it's conversation
that uh needed to be had and needed to
be had for me too
the interesting thing was like last
night as i was going to bed we we
i believe in synchronicities right god
speaks through many different things and
and repetitions in your life and so
we're
talking about my daughter going to see
the therapist
and it has a bad stigma right your kid's
going you know talk to a therapist which
there's other people i've listened to
like charlemagne the god who is a
um he's a radio dj
and he's a black guy he says the black
community is suffering because they
don't have therapists to talk
talk to to work through their thoughts
and so they go to drug because they
don't know how to
articulate themselves or get it out then
they go to drugs and they go to alcohol
and these things because they don't
know how to feel comfortable in their
skin so he brags about going to
therapists and so
we're laying on we're laying down
getting ready to go to sleep and i got
the tv on
and it's on the nanny remember the show
the nanny with fran drescher
that's on and uh and the episode was
about
their daughter of a six-year-old
she's talking imaginary friends and
stuff like that and then
she's going to see her therapist and
some of the things that they were saying
wasn't
they were like kind of concerned but
like listen her brain works a little bit
differently she just needs help
working through some things and
articulating things you know versus like
having a bad stigma that you're broken
and you need to
medication to get fixed you know
so i believe in you know all of all the
stuff kind of lines up but even having
this talk with you today just to go over
some things with my wife about it
tomorrow before she goes you know yeah
be real careful before you allow them to
drug her up
sherry and i my co-author we get so many
emails from
the parents of schizophrenic kids and
family members
that have no idea what's going on and
neither does
the schizophrenic themselves so you know
a couple of years ago we got together
and said we we have to put something out
on this we have to write a book for
these people who don't
understand what's happening to them and
what's happening to their family members
it took us two years of quibbling and
how we're going to
do this where we don't scare people how
we can do this where we tell them the
truth that these things are entities
these voices are not hallucinations
um and after two years of
gnashing teeth and and pounding this out
we
wrote this book for those who
who don't understand what's going on
and it starts all the way with the
history of psychiatry
how they operated what they did in the
past you know the fact that the drugs
do not cure anything they're basically
suppress psychotic symptoms it goes into
what the voices are
how they operate and what you can do
about it
and you can get that from our website at
gerrymarzinski.com
there's a lot more information we put on
that website for people who are
searching for answers
and are not getting any satisfaction
from psychiatry other than being drug
senseless um we've got a youtube channel
there's a number of youtubes on there
on sherry's got her own
web website where it's called
keyholejourney.com go under paranormal
there's a number of videos on this topic
um
i have a youtube site which is i've
neglected i've got to get
get going on it but you know if you go
to i think you had
all the information i sent you yeah
we'll have that in the show notes below
for sure
there's a massive amount of information
we put out to help you understand
what the voices are how they operate and
what you can do about them
other than take drugs now there are
people who
like i said will need to take drugs so
they can work these programs but we've
we've put on our sites programs that
interfere with the voices
and weaken them but once you get rid of
them
you have to stay on a positive spiritual
course
and stay there if you don't they're
going to throw you off and these things
are going to return
and they're going to return worse than
before you can't just
that's why i wonder about exorcisms they
can get rid of them
i can get rid of them a number of other
people can get rid of them temporarily
but if you don't get on a positive
spiritual course and stay there
they will come back just like the bible
says with
more and it'll be worse so it's not what
it's not like taking an antibiotic and
killing
you know the the bacteria you take an
anti-psychotic drug it just suppresses
the symptoms it doesn't cure anything
in the meantime it's rotting out your
nervous system and they won't tell you
that
they don't tell you the side effects and
if you start having side effects they
put you on
other drugs that suppress those side
effects so these
primary drugs can keep rotting out your
nervous system
i mean these are toxic drugs these are
powerful
toxic tranquilizing drugs and they have
nasty side effects
this disease this mental illness can be
cured naturally
it's a spiritual cause these people
psychiatry cannot comprehend a
any kind of illness that has no physical
cause
and no physical cure it does not compute
to them at
all they just can't relate to it it's
not even in their
in their remotest part of their brain
that these are these things are caused
by spiritual forces
that infest the body yeah you won't see
any of that in in any master's life
or psychiatry nothing it was interesting
that i knew
like deep down when i was going through
my episodes years ago and it's probably
because i had been a christian a few
years before
that really helped but i knew that if i
was to go talk to a doctor they could
put me in a straight jacket put me in a
room and put me on medication
telling them the things and being
visited by spirits and
hearing and seeing them tapping into my
mind and pulling me in
in portals and stuff like yeah we got
something for you for sure
and so we understand that the
pharmaceutical companies are
drugging and lulling to sleep are
profits and seers like what if
what if jeremiah the prophet went to the
doctor and you know what i'm saying what
if these people who are having visions
and dreams
and and mary and joseph and these people
who like went on to do amazing exploits
and the prophets of whatever
religion you're a part of like what if
they would have went something they
would have drugged them
and they would have shut off the
communication the thing about it there's
that there is healthy communication
there is there are healthy voices
the voice of the lord right the voice
jesus said my sheep know my voice
and the stranger's voice they will not
follow well there's the voice of a
stranger
you hear that voice and it speaks
through many different ways some hear it
audibly some hear it
internally some hear it as it's coming
from themselves but there are many other
voices out there so
i i'm glad that we did this podcast and
really teaching people encouraging them
to look for the resources get your book
teaching them how to follow the voice of
the lord how to follow the voice of
jesus the still small voice that speaks
through the midst of that
i found it i heard it i needed it
i still need it today jerry thanks for
coming on the show hanging out with me
man again happy birthday
it means so much that you spent today
with me and uh thank you so much man
we'll have to do it again
for sure yeah you bet now remember not
all
voices not all thoughts that you hear
belong to you people need to understand
that
you know they need to watch their
thoughts and evaluate those thoughts
and decide which ones they're going to
act on and which ones are not for their
benefit
yeah the negative ones have a negative
intention and want you to do negative
stuff
what is it uh think on these things in
the bible
um one of my one of my favorite
scriptures and i think it it's so simple
but it works so
so well Philippians 4 8 finally brethren
whatsoever things are true
what sort of things are honest
whatsoever things are just
what sure whatsoever things are pure
whatsoever things are lovely
whatsoever things are of good report if
there be any praise
think on these things if you want to
know what's the demonic
and everything we've been talking about
are all the opposite of
each one of those things that were
mentioned it is
it is just take the word and flip it and
you'll find out that they're conspiracy
theories
that they're self-hate it is depression
it is anxiety it is all of those things
and so
if you need a good plumb line get in the
scriptures it really helps
thanks so much every negative thought
that enters your mind about yourself or
others does not come from you
stuff and the thing is too we're getting
deep people are picking up on other
people's thoughts
other people's demons the empathics like
other people got demons and you get
around them
and it starts to influence you that's a
whole nother whole another episode
we'll do it man thanks so much really
enjoyed it we'll do it again
you're welcome thanks for having me many
blessings thank you
take care jerry marzinski ladies and
gentlemen
enjoy that good stuff man we're getting
deep we're getting deep
um it is is it's interesting you know
you have a lot of
christians again will tell you that like
every mental
blockage every defect is a demon i don't
think that they're all demons i do think
that some people's brain
works differently the adhd things like
like our parents cured it with a belt
you know what i'm saying like you know
they didn't put us on medication
it was the i feel like you're getting
lazy man for sure
you got to do the work you got to show
up and uh
and and we all uh need to be held
responsible for our own mental state
depression change your diet that's all
kind of stuff i remember man
when my um my in-laws heard
tom cruise said was talking about
somebody i wanted
uh who was it one of the other heather
i don't know heather locklear one of
them um
was talking about that if she changed
her diet that her her depression would
go away
like her diet would cure her depression
and that's one thing that's interesting
that early on
we're talking about how do these things
get a foothold how do you get
paired with a demon how do you become
good ground for a demon
and and the schizophrenia stuff and and
one one of the the comments that i got
from ali ali
said your gut bacteria making sure that
you're taking care of
your diet your diet is what it's not
your first brain well some people say it
is
they say it's your second brain your gut
it's your it's
your second brain first second brain i
don't whatever it's your brain it it
dictates the way that you feel
go eat a bunch of mcdonald's and i'll
tell you what you'll find out because
mcdonald's or any other food that's not
good for you
while you're eating it you're feeling
great
life and truth and longevity
all of this stuff is about delayed
gratification
the flesh the lord nature stuff is about
instant gratification what can i do
right now to feel good
you can take a pill literally you can
you're not feeling well you can take a
pill right now
you're feeling pain in your body you can
take a pill right now there's so much
you could do you could take a pill
i mean when we do drugs like you're
gonna feel good
but you're gonna pay for it alcohol
you know over indulging alcohol you're
gonna feel great you're gonna be
laughing you're gonna be opened up
around people where you normally
wouldn't be
but if you overdo it tomorrow you gotta
pay it's called a hangover
and you're going to be sluggish there's
times where we'll have some drinks and
i'll drink too much and i feel it the
next day
i say too much too much that i feel it
that it's in my system
that i got this poison in me and the
next day i'm just off
so my next day is screwed especially if
you got a hangover
if you got a hangover the next day that
you can't shake your day is screwed
at least it starts off screwed the first
half of it so
it's about delayed gratification do
right now do today what you want
to prosper tomorrow the instant
gratification the instant feeling good
the instant pills the instant food
cheeseburger slam and all this stuff
listen make you a green smoothie
put the things in it that that they
don't taste good listen ginger doesn't
taste good
beets don't taste good all of these
things that our body needs or we're
fearfully and wonderfully made
there's things that our body it's fuel
for our body if we put it in your body
will thank you
tomorrow the next day you begin to have
better health
you'll be able to your your mental
clarity will be better
because of your diet all of these things
linked into
what you're eating that feels good for
the moment
we do a whole show on diet and the way
that your mind works
like a whole show and you on your diet
and your spirituality
it's crazy it's insane so but
delayed gratification do it to where
you're gonna
you're gonna be able to reap the
benefits tomorrow we want it now
seed time and harvest put something in
the ground cover it up
water it and then when you're gonna get
the the harvest from that seed that you
planted
depends on what kind of seed it was but
it's probably going to be a couple
months
a couple weeks a couple years for some
like huge
trees in our in our our yard and things
and they started off as a little seed
that you had to cultivate did you make
sure make sure that it gets sunlight
delayed gratification you stay away from
anything instant
listen there's somebody talking about
pornography a while ago instant
gratification
instant but you need the delayed
gratification
instant friendships you need delayed
friendships you need
where you can benefit you can have fun
together where you can know each other
like it takes work
to cultivate a good friendship it takes
work to cultivate like a good
sexual life with your spouse like you
have to you have to work up to it right
versus the pornography instant
gratification boom
and you're getting messed up in this it
you can apply it to
every area of your life longevity
put in the work man say yes especially
when it comes to
um you know i'm saying your mental
health you got to take care of yourself
you know you got to know yourself know
yourself and you will be known
and i i do uh it it comes down to it i
got a good friend of mine who
was a i don't know if he was an addict
you know
alcohol but alcohol always opened the
door
and him but i know other people too
where
he would drink alcohol but it was never
enough enough
after once you start drinking now you
you got a buzz now you want pills
now after that you want to smoke crack
and i knew people
friends who would just we can have a
couple beers or kick it and watch a
movie or whatever go out to eat or
whatever
have a glass of wine i do all that but i
had friends who i tried to do that with
and no they trying to kill themselves
they're not drinking to have a good time
they're drinking to forget they're
drinking to suppress some things
so once you start drinking with them
hold on man why are you turning up like
that
what's the deal what you going through
man you every time you
where you can't have two beers know
yourself
learn you find yourself keep doing the
same things over and over
my good friend he got eventually man he
got into
uh aa that really worked and he really
started going through the books and
working
working the system and uh and it worked
for him he started to know himself he
started to like
uh make tell himself that he can't go
around we'd invite him to
go do karaoke with us we'd go do mexican
or karaoke and stuff
and we'd invite him he wouldn't come you
know as a friend you kind of come on man
let's come hang out he said i can't do
it bro they don't have alcohol there
i can't do it i can't i don't trust
myself like if i have one
i might have one margarita with y'all
but when i go home i'm screwed y'all go
home and go
watch a movie and go to bed i go home
i'm i need more
i might not come home tonight i might go
on a three-day binge
the individual will go on three-day
binges
lose this sell their cell phone for
forty dollars or crack like all kind of
stuff
know yourself so i applaud him that he
found a way to know himself and
and not go to certain situations listen
i can't come hang out with y'all because
y'all are going to be drinking i can't
be around it
and so i applaud them know yourself know
what makes you tick know
what sets you off and avoid it avoid
those situations and when you can't
avoid it
learn self-control it goes a long way
with everything that you do not just
this
little stuff but everything with that
i'ma say peace and shalom man thank you
all for hanging out we just did a three
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