Levi O’Brien was made famous from his role in the documentary Jesus Camp. The documentary follows Levi and other children during their experiences at a charismatic christian youth camp. The film gives you an inside look at children being taught to fast, pray in tongues and receive prophetic words for random strangers. The film also has undergone much scrutiny and critics say that the methods taught in the summer camp were militant and fundamental extremism. In this interview TruthSeekah speaks with Levi about how the film has impacted his life and if he still believes the principles taught to him at Jesus Camp.
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Jesus Camp | Where Are They Now? Levi O'Brien YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek4oC5eFYKg Transcript source: YouTube captions right now I walked into the truth think of my gasps belie a true vicar calm your source for spiritual and inspirational music teachings and media's the show is designed to help you grow in your walk with Christ and advance for the kingdom of heaven and now your truth Vika what's up ladies and gentlemen I'm your host true seeker we're back with another podcast I'm excited about tonight looking to get into some good conversation as always you guys know that we bring on guests from all types of walks of life to discuss spirituality and really just some people who I think would be a good conversational piece so I'm gonna be speaking to tonight Levi O'Brien which I guess his name was made famous from the Jesus camp documentary we're gonna be speaking to him man he's got some some awesome stories to tell and we're gonna hear about where he's at now what God's doing in his life is he still a 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and I'm excited about tonight man this podcast in particular we're gonna get into some good stuff because one thing about the Jesus camp documentary I watched it several years ago I think it's been out almost 10 years now and a lot of that stuff hit home like a lot of the you know walking in in the spirit and being taught this type of stuff fad you know I'm saying use camp and youth group and stuff like that and the documentary was you know I thought it was good but you know there are some some you know I'm saying critiques on a lot of stuff happened man I remember seeing Bill Maher and and all of these people kind of give their opinion on it and scrutinize and stuff but I've got one of the kids on the show tonight guys I'm gonna go ahead and break up my guest cuz I know you hear them laughing in the background Levi O'Brien what's up man hey how you doing Derek I'm well man thank you for joining me on this show brother sure so a lot a lot of scrutiny a lot of stuff went I'm sure you caught it like crazy man I'm sure there's all kinds of people who were lashing out or reaching out or what man talk a little bit about it man for like people who have no idea what Jesus camp is what was it what was the you know the name of the youth camp and all that stuff let I guess kind of feel people in on the documentary itself sure well the documentary was filmed by a secular film crew so it's people you know they weren't necessarily a Christian they had a basis of Christianity in their life so they weren't brand new necessarily to it but they came in and wanted to find out more about kids who were encountering God and specifically kids who were preaching and like speaking out cuz another documentary they had done had a kid in there who was like that and they were it's so sparked an interest in them well then they found a lady named Becky Fisher who believed that you know she believes that Jesus wants to pour into kids and wants to work with kids in the same way that he does with adults it's basically the general idea of what Becky Fisher wanted to do so she wanted a trained kids how to pray how to hear from God how to pray for healing just things that we believe as people who believe in the Bible that happened in our lives and so the film crew found her and then I was just one of the kids who happened to attend a conference she was holding and then there was a camera crew there we didn't really know anything about it when we were going and so when we arrived they kind of just picked people out of the crowd that they thought were pretty passionate seem to really believe this that spark an interest in their mind you know you know with them they were interested and so they selected me out of the crowd and said hey we want to kind of follow you around see what is your life like why are you here at this conference and then go from there so that's kind of the basis generality of the film so so so you know you basically show up at a conference and yeah I mean ha I mean how old were you in this when this film was when this documentary was filmed great question I'm 25 now and when this was filmed I was 12 and 13 so it happened during both of those years in my life I mean they took 365 hours worth of footage and broke it down so it was over the span of a few months and so I was 12 and 13 during the filming and we went and it was it was a little surprising to see cameras there like it was like oh okay well you know this isn't necessarily why we came and I don't really think we fully knew what we're into but it ended up being a positive experience for me but yeah dude that's I mean that's something else you just show up to this youth revival type deal krang's and then you just have the blue you're almost a celebrity now I mean it's kind of out of the blue you were just there to worship God to learn about Jesus and things like that and these guys got a like a whole camera crew feeling everything and just kind of you know I guess documenting what's going on and a lot of the stuff for like people who don't know I'm assuming it was I guess you can call it charismatic right it was it was it a charismatic church okay so kids are crying kids are getting filled with the Holy Spirit little kids are getting touch kids are praying for abortion to be in for God to show mercy upon America to to bless our leaders and to you know that you know people would come off as drugs and just and so it's it seems weird because we see adults doing that crying out and praying for this stuff and fasting but when you see a little kid in anguish crying you know out to God to end abortion and and it seemed genuinely man like the kids were crying tears you know streaming under their face and and so when when they played that that was almost like the first time mainstream secular America got to see like what it's like on the inside almost like got to see the prayer room or what goes on behind closed doors essentially out at a church like that you know yeah in a way it was I'm sure for a lot of people it's a culture shock yeah I mean it really is how passionate we were how invested we were you know I mean that that's kind of it's basically it's a culture shock to people it's surprising and but for us it was something that we had come to know over the course of a couple years leading into yeah that wasn't our first experience with this presence of God and you know we were kind of raised in it and surrounded by with that being said that doesn't necessarily make us very different from just ordinary kids I mean like people look at it and they see the way the movie was filmed and we seem like such a secluded part of society but honestly there are there are millions upon millions of people in America who have at one point in their life experienced those types of things in and out of the church honestly in and out of going down to the church on the corner I mean just in their own living room and then with friends or praying in the streets things like that I mean they're they're experiencing at some point they're like millions upon millions of American Christians and non-christians even have experienced this type of thing so it's not as exclusive as it looks yeah yeah so I remember years ago 1998 to like 2002 maybe we used to go to the Brownsville revival I got born again with the Brownsville Florida and same type of deal maybe we just a church with thousands upon thousands of people come from all over the world to go to this church because there was an outpouring of the Holy Spirit when people would come in people would walk into the building and feel this anÃbal strong sensation the presence of God people would walk in and begin to start weeping they would feel a presence over them without nobody touching them a lot of people and they would fall out and tremble under the power and glory of God so we all wanted to be in the main sanctuary but there were overflow rooms because there were thousands of people they couldn't get all these people in the sanctuary so you may be in a like a school building next to the church that was part of the church school room and classrooms and have monitors and projectors in there and the glory of God was just so you know just as strong in the overflow rooms as well which was I remember going to the bathroom right and it was like the the children's area they had all that you know they they you know I'm saying had all the kids together and I was walking to the bathroom I walk past it and I heard the sounds similar to what I heard on the Jesus camp documentary kids passionately pray Holy Spirit interceding for America crying out for the the fire of God to fall and change people's lives who were there and it stopped me I was like man it's like it was so pastor I was like I want to go in there with those kids man those kids know how to play man those kids are innocent and and and you don't saying their hearts are pure and they're they're praying that stuff and I think the scrutiny from the secular world because this you know they really don't know how to judge this stuff was as far as you know I'm saying in a spiritual sense but I think the scrutiny comes as they kind of think that they're taught to do that or we're trying to make him do a certain type of thing or teach them I know a lot of it was about you know I'm seeing politics and we you know you got the kids praying for George Bush and all of this type of stuff so they tried that you know saying throw in the political side to it so I think I think a lot of the scrutiny was because politics were mentioned but I seen that interview with with a Becky Fisher on Good Morning America and they asked her about it she had herself well man on there when it went when they were trying to you know pin her up and you know I'm saying say you're teaching these kids what to think and how to feel and all this stuff man so what's the I mean you know I've seen it happen I've seen kids fall out under the presence and glory of God but like what were some of the big things that were happening there with these kids giving their life to Jesus and then turning into prayer warriors and stuff absolutely now I got it man I got a few things on that specific topic obviously I'm experiencing my own life and then I've watched people who have never walked into church a day in their life experience the same thing yeah you know I'm saying I have watched the Spirit of God and and the people who experience it and feel it react the same way as somebody who grew up like I grew up or just in whatever situation in life I mean you know I mean it believes this thing bleeds over into all sorts of the people in areas it works everywhere but I think one thing that when people are thinking about the Holy Spirit or experiencing the presence of God some people who are listening Derek might go like what what is that you know they look at this kid who first of all they're saying man he's so innocent he's being made to do this but they have no reference point maybe for what their experience you know they're going what is this presence of God you're talking about what is this fire of God you're you're saying oh you know on this speaker right I you know on this podcast what is this and one of the best ways I know how to explain it is well first of all it's like okay we don't have to train somebody to feel fear you know I mean my own will have to train anybody to even feel like joy either you know they get a gift on Christmas or whatever they think Santa Claus is coming you don't have to train somebody to feel those things because your body was designed to experience that your body was designed to experience joy it was designed to experience that you know a fear things like that all those types of things it you know you weren't necessarily trained to know and feel and experience those things and it's the same thing with the presence of God is you are actually designed to experience and feel God's presence it feels like it feels like you're a puzzle piece and for the first time in your life you're placed exactly in the time and space you were meant for I know a lot of people who have never a single moment in their life felt that they have always felt out of place they have always felt misunderstood they have always felt like something was missing they have never and you can't fake that you can't fake that moment or that experience that goes this is exactly what I was made to do no more no less this is hip is is everything and so when you're watching these kids experiencing that kind of presence of God may you start crying or you start laughing or you just you just you can't keep standing because that presence that's that peace that overwhelming just experience of God just kind of comes over you people are funny man Christians are funny we go right I mean seriously it's true me they're a big you know but we go to a concert and what do we expect we expect an experienced man you expect music to hit us in the pace you know who I hear it loud we want a good show we want to laugh we want to see something that impacts us you know yeah when we go to a movie we want an experience when we go to church we don't expect anything for the most part yeah most people they're walking into a church there they're not really expecting anything when you now add the Holy Spirit and you now add the experience of God to it when I walk into a church I'm expecting an experience I am in I'm expecting an encounter with God I'm expecting to feel like that puzzle piece that's right in its spot mm-hmm you know I'm walking in there ready for you know to get to know my father to get to know the presence of the Lord because he designed me for it and and so I mean I guess a couple of things I'm trying to say here is you know you watch these kids who have such innocence like you were talking about a moment ago we go you know as young kids and things like that there is such an innocence to it and people can almost get offended by hate you're stealing away their innocence by making that's what I said yeah that I think that was one of the big accusations I'm saying you're teaching them about death and you're making these little kids think about eternity nine years old eight years old like I'm saying you you're you're like taking it from one that was one of the the big things that people were talking about well here's the thing I mean do you remember being a kid that's that's the thing I gotta say to those people who criticized that type of thing do you remember being a kid what was the first time you saw as a man as a boy what was the first time I saw a naked woman on a TV screen or on a show or pop up on something or see this yeah yeah oh um you know I mean I can't pimple I don't remember fully by rumor I'm young I mean we're experiencing and being so many things are being thrown at us so fast the element of innocence is really gone quick and so it's like so many things in the world knows that it knows that it knows it can grab you young and take your life before you even had a chance to defend it know and so that presence of God trying to work towards kids to get them a chance to experience love to experience that that goodness and that life and that peace in the Lord somebody working towards kids in that fashion should not offend people you know I'm saying with how much there is out there trying to steal away their innocence you know if God is protecting that innocence yeah because what they were you know teaching them worse was to I guess to be angry or to have a burden for for for the the you know I'm saying justices in the world whether it is people who were addicted to drugs I mean that's the type of stuff that's one thing that Becky was pointing out that you know that it was stuff that we should be angry over and yeah you know you your kids do need to learn about this and kind of be a voice of reason and in their schools and and and in places like that mana kind of go with the glory of God essentially man and and to have their lives changed and change the lives of people around them it was so it was so weird because there's a lot of weird charismatic stuff that happens in churches and some of it we could say public or some of it we bear witness with maybe but then other stuff were like I don't know about that most of the stuff on Jesus camp seemed legit but what did it for the viewer was the music that they put behind it and the I mean who gave these people permission to come in and and do that and then to make those edits like that because I think I think the whole power was that as far as like in the secular arena what their scrutiny was just totally with the editing putting the scary music behind it and intense music behind it was just weird how it was edited and and dude that says a lot like with like what you can do with you know saying the power of sound and visuals and please all the other man it totally changed the meaning of everything essentially yeah and like I previously stated I mean you take 365 hours worth of footage you broke it break it down in 86 minutes you can tell who basically whatever story you want it tell yeah that's a lot of footage you know I'm saying that's a lot of editing down we had some moments where even one of the film crew members I prayed for her I was again I was 12 at that point I prayed for her back she had a back problem and she ends up getting completely healed okay this is one of people filming the documentary right on camera I prayed for her back she gets completely healed she you was like 32 and when she was 16 she got an AK since that time she had back problems back pain severe back pain couldn't do like a cartwheel okay she goes home that our to the hotel that night and does a cartwheel for the first time since she's 16 that type of thing me and you Derek you know we've experienced some of that stuff some of that supernatural Wow that could not have happened outside of God doing it the moment basically the reason I'm a Christian today seeing those types it's oh right the actual experience of God not just being told about him but anyways you know we that happened to one of the people filming the movie again a secular person they've already kind of come in with their own bent of what they want to do and hear this amazing thing happens they get it on camera it's nowhere in the film yeah you know because really the people who filmed it and then the people who edited it we're not the same you think so and it never met me never met my family and they already had their own band like you said they actually and in fact that music was the second version of that the first version was even worse and we said no there's no way wow there's hey we will let you show that and and so they've kind of backed out and did it and redid all the music and I mean and it was just kind of like okay fine I guess there's there's no win here you know so let me let me let me let me talk to you because I want it I want to talk about some some of the things that you've went through maybe even psychologically as far as like having all this attention on you as a young man do you share walk in places and people know who you are is it this type of notoriety that comes behind it what are some of your experiences as far as like with the negative side socially depression feeling like you've been made fun of in front of the entire world and how that feels like what are some of the things that you've experienced with that after the release of the of the documentary it's a great question because there was a lot of criticism yeah there wasn't like resisting me get on the YouTube videos of it there's a hunt just comment after comment after comment there was I gosh what is the website came and think of it now but basically like a chat room that had like a what do you want to do to leave I O'Brien from Jesus okay and but for me I don't know it I think it's mostly just my personality type not necessarily a spiritual guide type thing just my personality type is just very like entrepreneur entrepreneurial kind of like hey I'm going for it this is what I'm doing if 20 people in a room disagree with me I don't care if this is why I think it's right like let's go yeah I've always just kind of been that way and and so with all the criticism and stuff I'm like you know what these people don't know me I've criticized me too the movie was filmed I was like I've criticized me too yeah the guy and so it was kind of cool seeing all the criticism and the things like that but when people would actually meet me or when they would actually reach out through Facebook or other outlets and actually contact me boy they they were really back down in their criticism and then they would almost be like this is not what we expected yeah so it was actually kind of cool to have that shock factor nobody really expected somebody to come out of that film and from that camp and be so mature I mean just simple things like work a job really well you know what I mean like dude well in life and and I'm married now and doing really well honestly I just had my 25th birthday two days ago oh yeah yeah man yeah and so it's just it was actually in one sense like yeah there was a lot of criticism that could have affected me I mean I think it was partly the personality thing and partly I understood it I'd have criticized me too you know I mean but like I don't get it take you to come to that realization cuz that because you don't say I know the first yeah when you start reading that stuff you like wait man what hold on guys you got it all wrong you know and they're just tearing you up on the chat rooms and stuff and I know you can feel that especially being sensitive to the spirit man being so sensitive and being empathic be nice since what's going on man like yeah that's kind of the spirit God is part of it because you're the juice and then I realize who I would be without the Spirit of God I look at people in all sorts of walks of life man and I'm like I would be worse than you honestly if I didn't have the experiences with God that I have had and so it creates in me a compassion and that developed at a pretty young I mean basically right out of Jesus guy knew I knew everything I'm doing right now and everything that has made me well known and and things like that well it's just the Spirit of God it's not even really me you know and so I knew man like I would be you I would be you and I'd look at these people who are talking to me from their experiences in life and there's telling they're not mad at Jesus you know they're not actually mad at me they're mad at some experience and their life they're mad at their parents they're mad at people who honestly truthfully made bad decisions did wrong things you know they had experience in their in their life that led them a certain direction and I look out and I go I would be you if I had had your experiences but now from this moment now I look at you and I go there is hope I've watched people from every walk of life man every walk of life experience the presence of God and radically change I mean I go to a great church down here in Kansas City called world revival Church it's an awesome awesome place it was actually birthed out of Brownsville you have to look it up okay well it's technically it was the Smithton outpouring and it's still going on over here they called it the cornfield revival because those in the middle of nowhere but anyways this is years later and it's still God is moving his presence is there kind of like at the Brownsville you were talking about it's happening every week and so I'm watching still in the stages people again from all walks of life all different cultures experiencing that presence of God and so I have a hope for them and so when people are watching this thing part of their criticism you know is like oh well you are the way you are because of your experiences and I I agree with you so now let's go find you some new experiences let's go find you yeah some better experiences so you can get out of that depression so you can get out of that addiction so you can get out of that mess you don't know how to get out otherwise your you would yeah gotta get out of this you would so let's go find you some new experiences and that's the type of stuff like this man do that that that's awesome man because when you went through that it's it seems like it didn't last long and it seems like you just kind of you don't saying like like a water just kind of brushed off of you man and so that that's awesome dude that it didn't just send you spiraling and and like you know I'm saying doubting faith cause like I said what like you know when I reached out to you for some reason I thought I watched an interview with you were saying that you gave up on God and you don't believe that stuff anymore but you know I was trying to find the same videos and I couldn't find them I'm like you know what I think there might have been somebody else so and and so you know I'm saying you don't have to say any names but other people man like what are some of the experience that's it experiences that that you know that the other kids kind of underwent like like what's the fall away rate cuz that because my smoke detectors oh yeah so like like you know I'm saying some of the other kids was too far away right man are they still walking with the Lord as some of them who were you know kind of notable boys and that's the thing is like they look at me like I had no choice like oh you just you're just a lover of Jesus because basically you had no choice listen man I mean all you got to do is look up the statistics you know saying all you gotta do is look up the following rate from the church today and even kid even people who grew up knowing and encountering the Holy Spirit there still a choice there's still a decision that you have to make you know and say no this is who I am or this is who I am or and so I'm just kind of shooting in the wind on this a little bit but from the people that I personally know probably about 25% I'm no longer serving Jesus today and another 25% I mean they're serving Jesus but maybe not as wholeheartedly there's probably a good 50% were like hey this is who we are this is what we we know it's right but Yemen you really have to cultivate daily that desire for Jesus it doesn't just come up out of nowhere yeah and so it's a joke it's a joke to say they owe your so passionate and so in love with Jesus because of what your parents did to you I know it's a joke to say Amen you know it you cannot force this type of devotion this type of love of desire you know I'm certainly you cannot fake that ever force that and so you can force people to archaic not archaically but monotonous ly do things sure but you can't force somebody to have a pure passion and I think that was what set me apart in that film is people went whoa that kids passion level does not match in my head you know he got there cause it's free yeah that's something beyond that yeah and him because I experienced the Holy Spirit I experienced God young at 9 I was 9 years old when I first got the Holy Spirit and and it was something that was amazing when I was young I was the type of kid I loved war I love war movies I loved I loved the fight I love you know I mean I'm out there fighting I'm playing the video games I mean I was all about war and when I experienced the presence of God this it's a war if there is a battle between what God is trying to do in your life and what darkness is trying to do in your life and boy and some something in my head just clicked with that and I was like I get it I get this you know I'm saying like I get this warfare mindset I get this that there is a battle for people's lives and I want to be a part of it and people are fighting that every day and I don't know if they realize it yeah man what were some of the encounters that you had as a young man like as far as like when you gave your life to Jesus like how did that did that whole experience happened did you get following in the spirit as soon as soon as you came into the faith with the great question okay ask those types of things and our you know thinking about their own life when they asked him though no years old I was like basically like hey I wanna and I said it in the film I got saved I was five you know and I kind of I prayed the prayer I accepted Jesus into my heart but really there wasn't really any change I mean that was when I I guess prayed this prayer it made sense feel yeah like oh okay all right sure and I kind of did it and it kind of comes across as the film that that was my experience but really for me my experience was when I was nine and I was nine years old and we had a teacher in our church who was just kind of working with the kids and he had this bucket and he had his bucket he had a little heart taped to the front of his bucket he's like hey this is your heart and he had like video games in there and he had like dolls and all this stuff that you know we like playing with his young kids whatever in this bucket and then he goes where where is there room in your heart for Jesus he's like because basically he's like if you want to experience more of Jesus you got to make some more room for him not that you can't have these things in your life but they can't be first he's got to become first kind of and I was like okay I mean make it worth it to me and so then he's talking about like you can pray for people and see people get healed you can make things happen you can change your world in with the presence of God that's what God wants to do he wants to make the world you know a better place and do good thing I mean why don't we watch movies for those types of elements yeah you know we're watching superhero movies for those types of elements we have something in Ennis that wants to be a carrier of good to people and so that was really connected within me and I was like man I want that I want Jesus I want to change the world I want to bring light you know I mean I want to make it change and so I just I remember I stood there and I had my hands just kind of stressed out because he's like it's like a present it's given to you like a present from God it's just a present and so I had my hands out and I was just like asking God like God I you know you're real come into me you know if you're real let me experience your presence and and then just again I was 9 years old and I just felt basically just peace and joy basically what it was it was completely outside of just the norm and just my regular just everyday who I was and so I knew it was an experience of God I was experiencing something from dominant I mean that for me was this start that for me was like okay there's more out there than what I was really the cigs isten Stan what we've been experiencing or what we've been told was real and even essentially - like watching those hero movies and stuff to know that that's real like there is a hero out there and there is someone who gives us abilities and powers to heal the sick to raise the dead to tread amongst serpents and things like that so we do have that you know Superman encounter where we have these you know essentially abilities to go forth and start doing good in the earth or to use those same abilities for evil yeah as well the same you know I'm since write the whole I'm saying superhero versus the villains and stuff and like life's like you can use it for you know the I go I guess like the force good or bad like all these analogies man which is real and you get filled with the fire of the Holy Spirit it bursts things inside of you it unlocks dormant a special abilities many people you know try to use those abilities for selfish gain or you know I'm saying to talk to the dead or to you don't communicate with demons and things like that when we can see into the spirit realm and move around and operate and so that's what's so crazy about it it is something that we you know we do long for and that's why it is powerful to start speaking to the kids about it um saying let the kids know at a young age look spiritual warfare is real there is a war for your soul there is a war for your mind they want to sell you things they want to program you a certain type of way so you need to know who you are created in Christ Jesus to do good works so that you know who you are because if you don't know who you are then they can tell you who you are that's why so it's so it's so it's so powerful that we are to know thyself man and to know who he created us to be and we are blessed we are more than conquerors we are righteousness of God created in Christ Jesus to do good works man and to know that not to believe it not to think about it but to know it and to walk on this earth and declare it and that's what we see you doing with your life and what what God has called you to and so to kind of speak to some of those experiences and encounters man what's some of the stuff that you've seen yeah obviously getting filled with the Holy Spirit like that's number one that that peace in the midst of a storm that peace in the midst of a failure and distress and worry but peace comes the power power man but what's important let's talk about let's talk about there the supernatural is a very real realm in your book and let's talk about nightmares okay and and I mean I'm reading about this stuff of people experiencing they can feel this weight on their chest they feel something choking them in the middle of the night and I remember being young myself and experiencing some things like that I mean even to this day people my age are experiencing these things weekly almost it's it's kind of rampant I'm not gonna say yeah like it's not everybody there's a whole niche in the new way to connect in that spiritual realm I'll tell you this first of all you don't make a counterfeit $3 bill nobody believes you make it counterfeit one dollar bill yeah even two I guess but five ten hundred you know I'm saying the enemy does not make a counterfeit of something that doesn't already exist there's no point you know nobody would fall for a fake tree dog no and so with this stuff man with that spiritual stuff it's a counterfeit of the real and I think me and you were kind of talking about before we started here but so you know dreams at night I used to have a repetitive nightmare when I was young repetitive the same dream very scary very visual very like that it was beyond just dreaming it's affecting my actual body you know I'm saying like I'm feeling things sensing stuff stuff is happening at a very young age I experienced those types of things and when I got filled with the whole experience it nd done never had him again yeah but I have seen a lot of kids especially kids from dysfunctional homes kids whose parents are not doing well and stuff like that seems to come down from the head down it sounds that the parents are doing in the room over and you had sleeping in in the next room and you're doing things that are you know bursts out of Voodoo essentially or things like that and man I remember having that stuff like having those crazy nightmares as well and having a sleep paralysis and all the stuff that comes along with that waking up with something sitting on your chest this is something that they drew pictures of in the ancient days man this is something that's you know I think it's I think it's mentioned of in the the testament of Solomon which is a book that was taken out of the Bible but it goes into detail about the Incubus and the succubus coming up on children and getting them on men in the middle of the night to do sexual acts with them like this written of in the holy text and so I remember having those dreams and and watching tons of scary movies as a kid where it would happen so frequently for me that I would find ways to wake up from my dream like I would be getting chased by monsters and they were trying to kill me and I'll be terrified and panicking in my sleep that I found out the way to wake up was to kill myself and so if we were by water I would jump in the water and try to swim to the bottom to know that maybe a minute into it I would drown and wake up out of my dream but the monster would try to come in and pull me out the water and I'm trying to fight to get to kill myself in my dream or be running from my Jason or Freddy Krueger or something which was the big horror guys when I was young and I'd be running from him and I would dive headfirst into a rock on the ground trying to wake up you know and did these different techniques that I found out to do because those nightmares and dreams were so rampant in my in my life man and uh and it's it's it's uh it's a supernatural man to wake up and you you be having those dreams and you wake up and there's being standing over you in your room and like satanic demons like about a kid I was working as a counselor at a totally separate from Jesus camp and everything I was working as a counselor and it camp for kids whose parents either one or both parents were incarcerated for prison for life and so they we had these kids I I had group of kids who were 69 me and another counselor were over seemed like there was different counselors over different groups and we were sleeping out in a wagon out in the woods and and you know it was like it was pretty rustic man died I don't envy that like I don't envy that at all but anyway so we're out there and and there's about there's six of us and we're laying in our cabins and stuff inside this covered wagon deal and and I'm about ready to go to bed everybody in this in the wagons asleep and I had given my flashlight to another little kid because he he was he lost his or something muted to go to the bathroom or whatever so again everybody's asleep I had come in late cuz I was in a meeting and things like that came in and I'm laying down I'm almost asleep and I hear one of the kids his name's Andrew nine years old and I hear him just scream I mean I have the top of his voice he's going leave this States are trying to get me they're trying to get me they're trying to kill me help me help me I mean he is screaming I can't I can't express to you the sheer terror and agony this kid was yelling the voice in the terror and of course I shot out of n I reached for where my flashlight should have been it's not there or not my scrambling I'm like looking what's up that by stand up and I look around the wagon everyone is asleep no one has stirred no one made a sound honestly and I'm like I'm in so much shock because I would have woken up not only our wagon but into all the wagons around us you know okay it was so loud so violent sounding and I was just like in shock for a second and the kid who yell at ease I mean he's asleep he's asleep so I walked over him kind of by the presence of God I I kind of tap his shoulder he wakes up and God starts speaking to me and I said Andrew do you have do you have bad dreams at night he's like yes yes I do and he kind of had a bad attitude most of the camp okay up to this point he was kind of a kid you had to work with hard on you know and so I said come here Andrew let me do something so I took I say do you have Jesus in your eyes like yeah I have Jesus in my heart I said did you know that Jesus can get rid of those things for you once and for all you never have to experience that again never you have that power and he's like I didn't I didn't know that say I said Andrew repeat after me you know dude she's a simple prayer I just had repeat after me telling hey darkness you have no hold on me dreams you cannot take over my dreams like that I am the Lord's basically it I've done you repeated after me simple we weren't yelling nobody was crying like it wasn't super crazy went back to sleep he slept through the whole night which was rare for him he would wake up frequently and things like that and the rest of the camp he was my best kid his attitude changed he completely and he had no anger problem he had no paying attention problem yeah I mean it was just like a whole different kid you had an encounter with God man he had an encounter it was so simple we have that power through Jesus like beats darkness every time it cannot content but people don't realize the power they have yeah they don't realize that you were made as a human being to be that light bearer you can connect to God that presence got invited in and man that darkness it has to leave it's not even a contest it's not even an equal battle you know people are like in this equal battle between like dargas it's not at all it gives yeah and so you know people are experiencing these terrible things and it's like man if they only knew who they could be yeah with Jesus let me ask you this man because in the church room I've noticed in the past and maybe it's Fringe but a lot of churches they like talking about casting out demons they like talking about oh there's a demon riding this person or I've seen a demon one time or I had a dream about a demon or a demon showed up or whatever and it's okay but when we start talking about angels like okay then an angel appeared to me I've seen I've seen a being walking to my room which was lovely and and told me to seek Jesus or whatever the case is like why does it why is it kind of get weird when we saw it like we're okay with the demon encounters but when it's encounters about these angelic beings approaching us to like we should be expecting those encounters as well because they happen like have you had any encounters like that man yeah I think we're still are we still connecting by the way yeah we should be yep okay nice screen kind of change but anyways yeah I mean I totally hear what you're saying on that I think for me and it's it's a problem of focus they have a problem of their focus they are not focusing on the right thing okay you got this whiteboard all right it's a whiteboard there's nothing on the whiteboard I take a marker right take a black marker and I put a little dot on that whiteboard and I tell you what part of this whiteboard do you notice you're gonna tell me the black dot you know what there's a whole huge whiteboard that's white and clean and nothing is on it in all the focus goes right to the one blemish to the one dark spot and it's honestly it's kind of natural to us to do that we criticize our our own lives we criticize other people we criticize their you know we have this drawing - what's wrong - what's not right - darkness - - those type of things it's a it's a it's a matter of focus and so for me man like you gotta focus on the it's the light is so much bigger yeah you had that King that Jerusalem was surrounded and Elijah says God open his eyes so that he might see and then he looks up and there was that angel army above them like yeah so much ten times greater than the army that he could see natural or whatever we have this it's a it's a lack of focus we always think the devil is after us why do you think you're so important that the devil is after you I mean the devil can only be after one person at a time why after only you you know say like so important yeah but what I found is the devil isn't even hardly messing with Christians because most of them are messing up their own lives yeah they're messing up their own lives with their own decisions and that's a whole nother topic but what I'm saying is it's a lack of focus they're focused on the wrong thing and they gotta turn their eyes towards that light towards what God is doing I think partly it has been a mistake with the church and Christianity that God's not necessarily doing that much you know that God's not doing a whole lot is what they're thinking is and but me and you Derek I mean I think we know God is up to a lot he's doing some amazing things in people's lives and around the world in my own life and we've got put our focus and attention on that totally mad and it's what I know what you spoke to earlier what was so powerful we kind of just passed by and I kind of passed by because of it there's so much we can say to it go into churches and go into meetings and in having like expecting something to happen expecting God to show up expecting people to get healed - and and and - so to speak to that man the power of expectation the power of expectation we look at people all throughout the scriptures we look at the you know the woman with the issue of blood that she knew she expected that when she touched Jesus to him of his garment that power virtue would flow to her and heal her yes and and and who wasn't the guy who kind of tore the roof off and they lowered the guy down through the roof because they knew that if they could get that roof off and get him close to close enough to Jesus he would be held they knew if Jesus spoke the word of healing that their kid wouldn't you know be dead anymore be deaf or blind or ridden with demons it's the power of expectation man and essentially there's something that's called the placebo effect and there's power to it that if you know something's working or you believe it to work then guess what it essentially works for you it's working right if you believe it and so the whole thing with the demons those people who study and research demons and research that stuff and expect them to show up guess guess what they find absolutely find demons everywhere they go the same way with the angelic realm and angelic orders to be open for them to be open for an encounter to be looking for something like that to happen and and then therefore you become more susceptible for those situations to happen and stuff and so that's what it's about about like walking in the spirit anywhere you go whether it's at a church or you go out in public or something like that to be looking for a move of God and it always happens it always happens every time I would and here's the thing to you sometimes it's not it's not necessarily the people's fault and it's not even necessarily the church's well I'm not really laying blame on any specific part here I guess I'll explain it like this like you have a stove you know this stove I have a gas stove I know this stove when I that's a bad example let's do some ones that have the metal rims that heat up okay I know that that stove is supposed to heat things up and when you turn it on boy it gets hot and I do not want my hand on it you know if I don't want to experience getting burned I don't touch that that metal you know I'm saying I don't touch that thing that's getting hot but here's what's happening is people are walking into church that should be getting and they're putting their hands close to it there's no heat they're touching it and it's cool it's cold they know in the back of their mind this is a stove it's supposed to be making my hand I know it should be if I touch that it's going to burn me but they're touching it and it's cold it's cool and you can't keep walking up to that stove and every time you touch it expecting it to be boiling hot if almost every time you touch it it's cold and so people are walking in a church maybe when they're first got saved they first experience that presence of God man there are gung-ho and they expect when I touch this thing it's hot I'm experiencing something something is happening when I'm touched but they keep touching it and it's cold and they touch it again it's cold it's kind of surprising like what's happening they touch it again and it's cold you know I'm saying they do that enough times well now they their expectation is just coming down until they expect it to be this is just what it is I know this is a stove I know it should be doing something else I know this is church I know this is where I should be experiencing God but I'm not so I'm not really expecting to you know you know you had the man you had the man he was a tax collector he was the Romans didn't like him even though they used him the Jewish people didn't like him because he was taking taxes from him he couldn't go like just serve his God he was walking into the temple the one place on the face of the earth that was supposed to offer salvation to everyone on earth and there is nothing for him he's tearing his clothes crying out to God like you know just not frustration there's nothing here working for me the system is broken this is the one place I should be able to go and experience the salvation of God and it's broken and Jesus met that man Jesus used him in an example and he experiences God and things like that but and so he gotta actually counteracted it with the Pharisees who then thought their lives were all great and okay and they're working in a broken system and like you're going nowhere yeah you know your scope is cold there's nothing happening and so you know III have that compassion for people who you know like man I can't expect God to come down I don't expect things that because they can't touch that stove that's cold yeah it's a problem man and we need people who have that fire of God in them again who have a desire who expect the presents who believe in healing not just say it but pray for it you know actually pray for people for healing actually I will believe that God it wants to do the same things now they in the Bible you know I'm saying like man and when they get around people like that they go wow that's hot you don't say that's well that that's an experience that's something that's happening yeah and then they come to expect it you know yeah oh you gotta find some people like that in your life if you want to really grow in the presence of God it's very difficult to do it on your own yeah it is man but it's out there man and there's a lot of people waking up there's a lot of people who were stepping out in faith and are and example I love Todd why why definitely Todd why it's a huge one dude and there's a lot of other people that they're featuring too just a lot of independent I think it's um lifestyle Christianity is posting a lot of independent people who have just seen who have actually documented it and just have a camera going whenever they're out there um so yeah we're gonna open up the phone lines anybody needs if anybody needs prayer you know I'm saying we're here for that and if you're going through through this stuff if you need somebody to talk to if you need if like if you feel stuck in a situation or you know you you're wrestling with some things and you need prayer call in man and and would definitely yeah questions man about the Bible about his life about you know I'm saying anything that he's been through so the phone lines are open the phone number is scrolling at the bottom of the screen or it's in all the you know on the website on YouTube Facebook all that good stuff everywhere we're streaming live seven two four four four four seven four four four so give us a call call ID seven eight six four three pound it'll put you right in queue we do have a caller from South Alabama is what it says I'm going to take that call we do have a special caller who I got I got somebody lined up for you this is it's a surprise they said that they'd call so I don't know if this is that person in that but we got somebody from South Alabama who is speaking with this hey brother Lou how are you the weekend on fire yeah yeah Lou thanks for calling right you're an armor bearer Levi Levi you really spoke an amazing word over my life Lou and I have we have remembered that for a long time what I believe I believe I'm living it out I believe I'm stepping into everything that you said over me when I was 12 years old yes he's in the drive-through Lou brother Luke called and take he calls it freedom that's awesome you know man you smoke over my life and you said where's the kid with the rat tail you called me out of the crowd you called me up there and you said you said what's your name I said Levi you're like we've I got it in the book of your life when you turn 13 I was three days away from turning 13 you knew me from nothing I was three days away from turning 13 you said when you turn 13 you're gonna go through a test and you're gonna pass that test and in your teenage years you're gonna be known as a man of God a man of Prayer and then in your 20s you're gonna shake America for God and Lou I think that all of that has happened in my life up to this point I'm 25 years old I got five more years left ha ha I'm feeling God's stirring in my life so many good things and to speaking to people and to do things for my generation and what it is good to hear from you I was healing from the Lord colon off the water with you yeah great yeah absolutely yeah I've never I've never changed my mind I experienced that presence of guy and God has stuck with me I've never changed my mind I've just grown in that maturity in that faith and I you know I'm grateful for people like you angles and so it into me so I would love to catch up sometime that would be awesome I gotta go wiper : okay sounds good baby cause there's a voice of guy calling and there's a wife call you guys that's crazy Wow also man Lou Engel that's crazy man yeah I was having a little bit of a hard time here I was - I was I was able to hear him but it was kind of low he can go back and listen to the broadcast as well you still there Luke okay believe he's gone yeah you had to go with his wife I'm sure but Wow crazy yeah um yeah he was in the documentary as well right yeah he was in a portion of it and he pulled me out of the crowd and spoke over my life has he ever spoke to you know that whole situation has he ever released any statements or he was just kind of like a random guest visitor he I think he would just happen to be in town and Becky got ahold of him or something yeah by either she's like hey we got a bunch of kids here is there something you could save these kids you know is there something will open up the spot for you and he came by and spoke and and then he called me out of the crowd and spoken in my life and I mean I've never I really never really spent much time with him saying you know like before or since or anything he's just this awesome manchild who just pulled me out of the crowd and spoke and again he said we were gonna go through a test and you turn 13 I was three days away from turning 13 I was like who is this guy you know obviously God is speaking through so that was an amazing moment personally in my life so it was really good to hear from them again yeah that's awesome man I've been promoting it and stuff so it's awesome I guess he's seen it Wow um I wanted to ask you too man so we still got the phone lines open anybody want to call in for prayer or yeah want to join the conversation be sure to do that Becky Fisher what was her a whole deal I guess from from the beginning and do you have any weird feelings about you know that whole situation well who Becky Fisher was in the film yeah she was man she was somebody who just I think really connected to the fact that hey these kids are being taken off like so many things move a thing lose still there so Becky Fisher she she was just being impacted by hey these kids are experiencing so many things from the world we've got to get him experiencing some things from God to and I as a young kid I was really inspire I'd buy her because everyone else all the adults just basically like hey go to your back room and do your own thing but Becky she was like this adult who was like hey we want you to take the microphone you know we want to hear from you God is doing things in your life you can again you can change the world you know that type of stuff and so well that really so is into you when you're a young kid when somebody who is an adult that you look up to as a young person is giving you that kind of attention that's that impacts your life I mean that inspires me today to come to pay attention to people to young kids to pay given in my focus give them my attention I mean it really impacting more than we really you know what man I used to do that cuz I was in a band I was in a couple bands back in the day I did I played in a couple metal bands and at the very end of my set we played this breakdown it was really you know what a breakdown is just like everybody hitting the chords at the same time go gonna go going there's real easy stuff but that's when everybody loves it like everybody likes art so smashing and dancing and all that so we would play this breakdown at the end of the set and it got to a point where I would like find somebody in the crowd to give my bass guitar to to let them play the you I'm saying the last breakdown and people were kind of fight over who was gonna who was gonna do it like everybody I want to do a man and so all you know all of my friends were fighting over who wanted to play the breakdown and I would try to find some kid man you know I'm saying I was trying to find a kid out there who was just into the music but somebody really young but hey man come here and I'm gonna give you my base to just you know follow the guitar player with the rhythm you know and they would play you know play the last breakdown and stuff and just like you know I'm saying seeing a little stuff like that knowing that it would you know I'm saying that they will remember that for a long time I remember going the shows and then the the you know if there was a band up there the lead vocalist would hold the mic out and let people scream into the mic and we grabbed it and we'd screen and I would remember that stuff being a part of the show and stuff man so I you know it says so much when you when you're when you have the stage where you have a platform and then you kind of show some attention for somebody else and just to let them know like hey man you know saying you're a part of this to essentially man so I guess Becky kind of doing the same thing for you I'm sorry you guys let you guys come up and share and you know I don't have any really anything negative to say about Becky she was a great lady and is a great lady I still know today she came to my wedding which I got married like ten smoothly so we have a I'm not in contact with there all the time your ain't we definitely have a but there's no hard there's no hard feelings at all no no in fact I mean she's she's somebody that helped me become Who I am today even just aside from Jesus camp just aside from all that and no film she changed my life just who she was and giving me an avenue to start experiencing and and using what I you know what God was doing in my life spraying over people and things like that really an awesome lady and still does a lot today by the way she here Kimmy not seen them yeah yeah kids in ministry international is all around the world man and there are young kids in every culture in every area who are experiencing that presence of God and that that you know that you were seeing the kids in Jesus camp experiencing so it's very good I'm fully supportive of her and what she does what I'm happening with the church after that cuz I thought I seen some stuff that I after that the church shut down or something like that up from all the scrutiny so there's there is a church and Lee summit that we met for at a conference hmm Becky Fisher and part of the film was filmed there then there was a camp up in North Dakota that was kind of more like the camp although it really wasn't a campus like cabins and stuff like that but yeah and that camp started getting a lot of people just camping stuff like that being things like that you know spray-painting things on the walls and stuff like that after Jesus camp excuse me had come out and so that camp had to close down I don't know if it's reopened now or now I think there's there so far separate from that now I'd be fine but the church itself the church that we did the conference here in case not still that's still here in doing just fine I don't go to that church I go to again why world we follow church world of our church is completely separate from Jesus camp as well really no connection just where I'm attending today so what are you doing at the church are you are you on staff or you want leadership or what yeah I went to the school ministry there for three years and graduated from the school ministry and I was working there for a little while in what was called the network and so that was connecting pastors and leaders from all over the world who wanted to be connected to that church that was their avenue for doing so we did credentials and gave out licensing not gave it out but yeah licensed people and there were things like that and in product and resources we did conferences I was helping host a bunch of conferences every year well I have since I just recently actually moved into more just a just a regular job at a place that well I'm like a customer service rep in another place you couldn't pay pretty well though and so part of that is just my marriage and where I'm at in life right now but my heart and desire is all over and all for ministry and my church here and I absolutely love it and love want to be doing things for God of course you can be doing things for God in any job um but yes so definitely I was on staff and things like that but now I'm doing something right now do I do you get asked to speak often because because of the whole Jesus camp thing or do you get D do interviews and stuff like that and there was some of that and things like that but I knew in me I've got to grow and mature and Who I am in Jesus before I do anything with this and and so when I went to that school ministry here in Kansas City nobody there knew who I was nobody had any reference of Jesus camp no but I came in as a nobody and I served me I serve oh my gosh I would set up the table for classes I would be there early I wanted to help do this you need this vine we run underground for this electricity in this building I dug the hole like I served and I gave and I gave that poori out and I took it on my shoulders and I lift it yeah I worked it because new I knew I had to man God Jesus came he was a king but he came as a servant and I knew I would not be able to have an effect in ministry and with my life if I didn't learn to become a servant if I didn't learn to put Jesus in his place in my life that god you're first I'm second I'm not so great you're great and so I went through years of of just serving guy and going after him and growing in just my relationship with Jesus outside of anyone knowing who I was outside of just like oh I'm doing this because people are watching me outside of all that I just grew in my love and my devotion for God and like even this morning and I'm waking up I'm reading this psalm I'm praying over my house I'm praying over my life you know just the daily stuff I'm just because I love Jesus because I love him and I think you know now I'm starting to reach a point where it's a crossover point where I'm gonna start doing more speaking and things stuff with that being said I have done some plenty of speaking and I've got some conferences and things like that here and there but I think more and more God is developing more towards doing that so do you have a website or anything or what's the what's the best place people can contact you if somebody's watching this and I say you know what I love I'd love for you to come tell your story or you know have you wanna interview on a podcast what's the best place for them to contact you I mean the same way you did man I mean how easy I am to find on Facebook there's a lot of Levi O'Brien's but yeah that's the best way as of right now we I wish we had garni gotten it started but me and my wife we're gonna start a YouTube channel and start talking about God and start talking about those types of things and in fact another friend of mine literally asked me yesterday he says dude let's get together and start making a podcast I swallowed I'm like I'm listening to this one and seeing everything you're doing I'm loving it man if you need any help y'all need any help let me know man if you need any help let me know I can point you in the right way Derek I can see you're doing it really well and I would really like to talk to you about it some more so but yeah these things definitely I think there was that time of development I knew I can't just step right into this act to be developed a little a lot of people man they have that first encounter with God and there's like you know what I'm ready for ministry man I'm ready to shoot out there and win the world for Jesus like no you got to go through boot camp you just had it I just gave you a taste of the glory now you got 15 years ahead of you that you got to get ready for yeah you got to go through the little stuff you got a sir got a you got a scrub toilets I'm saying total this is what they call it you know in church you don't shine that sweep that's where you start out clean the toilets in the church man just serving people that you know what though and I know we hear that a lot yeah we you know we need to serve and serve but man more leaders need to serve man like it's even me man I've you know it just I kind of kind of get back to this place to where I was kind of like a celebrity locally and you know people you know having me out to come to events and putting you into little rooms and you got your little you know they got two little plates and pizzas and all that you stay back here everybody sit there and they kind of serve you and stuff and doing it so much of that it kind of gets to your head in the end you know they didn't you're getting paid for forward and stuff like that but then it kind of gets back to okay like it's so humbling to serve because that's what Jesus did and he said that the greatest among you is the servant so for me humbly I could say that but most of our leaders man I would love to see a lot of these big name people get back to just serving and just being down there with the people you know and most people who really truly add that impact that really touches lives and you study them and you see the ones that really affected history they have all had that story of going through the grind you know at the bottom fighting their way through nobody's gonna let nobody here's the thing I mean I got peroxide over by Lou Engel I was in Jesus camp all this stuff people looked up to me there was an impact of the world and things like that know why it was very I say the biggest struggle probably wasn't all the criticism it was like can i outdo that can I reach that point again yeah yeah I am I really gonna make it to where people are prophesying into my life that is the struggle right there yeah and I think you gotta realize that your destiny that fight other people are not gonna fight that for you you know you have to do it you're the one who wakes up and read your Bible you're the one who listens to that worship music you know I mean you're the one who goes and reads that book who picks up that commentary who gets with Jesus and spends time alone with Jesus God Jesus had all these crowds of people and he believed to go be alone with God he knew at that time and so you're the one who asked to make those things have that daily grind you know I mean it looks so big it looks so beautiful it looks so great like it's just gonna fall in your lap and fall in your lap you've got to fight for it you've got to develop you've got to keep working at it and in fact the movie by the way just really random maybe seemingly random the movie la-la-land I think does an amazing job about two people getting married and trying to balance their Vitt like dreams and goals for life okay I'm alright goodnight I've never seen it I'm really big into movies in the element I think my generation people our age honestly are really struggling with that they're like man if I have a dream I can just go gay I just got to do it like everything else comes second I just go and voila and like then you got this other person who's like hey I have a dream and I can just go get it and I can just about how we're gonna pay the bills how are we gonna votes right after our dreams that still be together how are we gonna and you it really plays really well with balancing those types of things are our age group yes uni struggles with that yeah definitely I may need to check that out there me and my wife are kind of in the end that boat now what we're both have this you know these different areas and directions that were going separately because it's different but we kind of kind of bringing them together and trying and and essentially trying to mesh it so hopefully that speaks to that I'll be awesome yeah like the element of the film really talks about I basically got compromised you got a compliment okay so so my wife this message of me here on here she said I told you I wanted to see it but that was a big note from you know what is the problem look like a chick flick I was like man we're not gonna watch that we're gonna watch Mad Max fury really listen I will admit it's not necessarily gonna be the greatest film you've ever watched in the first 30 minutes of it will make you want to turn it off okay telling you the first 30 minutes of that movie is so slow and I felt like I was watching a high school like I'm at I'm watching high school kids just singing on a stage yeah it was lame and slow at first three minutes but after that just let the storyline just develop a little it gets good and then the elements if you're really watching it for those elements of you know balancing those things in your life it's it's a good film so just make it through those first 30 minutes there don't turn it off I will dude I will because Levi O'Brien told me to and me and my wife will watch next movie we watch so hey man I got a like a way that people can help support the show is we have an account with audible audible trial comback slash true secret people can go there and sign up and get a free audiobook and so I always try to plug a book and I talk about books that kind of helped me kind of helped me on my spiritual path one of yeah I don't know if you've ever read this but one big one for me was the final quest by Rick Joyner have you ever read it I have not read that what's a book that that's that's kind of stood out to you and your spiritual walk with the Lord I'm texting this to my wife real quick final quest by Rick Joyner oh yeah that's a must man definitely one I'm actually reading it right now again I should say there man there's a couple I could really mention Danny silk a guy named Danny silk he's from Bethel has some of the top-notch Christian books today mine okay he's out at Bethel Church and he wrote um one of the books called keep your love on is a amazing just like changing the way you think book it's it's called keep your love on it it will just at the very like fabric of who you are you're gonna go like I've got changed some of the things I've been doing another one is called the supernatural ways of royalty and I want to say that to Bill Johnson who wrote that supernatural ways of royalty is another book that really changed affecting my life big bethel guy but i not necessarily I know I like Beth I love their music and I love out of teaching and stuff in it and things like that but I'm connected to a really great place here in Kansas City too I get a lot of great things from but their books the book I have not read it yet but the book culture of honor by Danny silk is like on my list in the next book to read because Danny silk and Chris Balaton have they mam telling you they've got some great great stuff so those two guys if you want to look em up but but anyways I if I had to narrow down to one the book keep your love on is an amazing book keep your love on by Danny silk oh yeah definitely will check that out and see if it's on audible too so people want to support yeah people want to support the show go to audible.com backslash true seeker pick up one of those books for free you get your first book for free I've been listening to a lot of audiobooks here recently to been getting a lot of books under my belt because I like to read but sometimes I don't get a lot of it done but having the audiobooks on I'm not I'm getting like books under my belt like yeah I read that right there that's pretty cool man you can have it going but um it's good yeah dude we're coming up on the end of the show is there anything that you wanted to talk about that we didn't speak on anything that God's doing in your life or you or you you feel led to speak long it's good man I think I think by the way there is an app out there called be fierce okay it's by another guy who's been a big just effect in my life I love him his name's Dustin Smith there's a lot of worship music but he has an app out there right now called be fierce and it's just got like daily devotionals specifically geared towards men and so you're reading these daily devotionals and just being inspired by other men - getting that word of God to get into some time alone with him I think it's a big epidemic today that people are not that they're not experiencing God you know they're not getting in to the Word of God they don't really know where to start and so I would start somewhere like that but I want to end with just people hey you know get in that Word of God if you're really interested in this if you're really interested in experiencing some more whether you're Christian and you just want some more whether you've experienced in the past you want to kind of get you know what is this really about if you've never experienced it get around some people who truly love God who truly love the Lord and have a passion for mucal you can tell those people you know I mean you're you never have to guess you know if I'm a Chiefs fan I'm a Chiefs fan I love the Chiefs I love the Royals on a Kansas City you know Kansas City you never have to guess you never have any guests I love Jesus yeah you know those people in your life who they love Jesus don't get around those I would encourage you get around those types of people start making some time in your day to pick up that word got start and saw him start reading some of the Psalms or something start asking God hey God I want to experience you in my life just begin small I mean it seems small but everything's small everything is small as though everything that was major that's built in life was built in small steps and so man just I would say that that would be the number one thing that I want to end with a getting that word of God whether you're getting back to it or you're getting into it for the first time hit get it make time for Jesus in your life and just see what happens awesome man so I know you're praying man we pray before the show and those people who are listening who may be on the fence maybe they they believe in Jesus they might not have a relationship with Jesus they may know of him they might not know him you know they may have not had that encounter man pray for that person listening right now I don't care where they are whether to you know driving in their car headed to work if they're on the job and they don't know about this Jesus day man pray blessing over them that God will encounter them where they are right now yeah Lord I just speak I speak over these people anybody who's listening and listen God that you would invade their life that right now they would start feeling a piece a piece from your presence God just an overwhelming piece just coming over them just flowing down just flowing down into who they are into the deepest parts of the hair of their soul of their mind of their heart God that you right now would just invade their space there right now Lourdes you would come in and begin to move inside of them and begin to speak to those areas in their life and begin to speak into that destiny and the life that you are calling them to that hey there is something better out there there is something more than you have experienced there is something more than you're living right now there's something beyond the depression there's something beyond that there's something beyond the darkness you're experiencing right now and now you speak right now that love of God would begin to invade your life that your your love O Lord would reach right into their hearts reach right into the place that they need it most and begin to bring that light and begin to bring that goodness in life that they would start breathing in that fresh air again well man that you would just bring in some new things in their life and start setting and place people in their life who are gonna lead them back to you god I pray to everyone listening there would be moments this week of some people in your life who are gonna lead you closer to Jesus that you're gonna run into someone this week that will lead you closer to Jesus that will help you reach that England honor what God that you desired in Jesus name hey brother whatever you feel brothers over man thank you man that's awesome and I just wanna I just want to agree with you too man yeah wow so if that's you and you're listening to this man you felt something from that you felt of taking the hold on it may be something to this Jesus thing after all man I want to tell you that Jesus is so beautiful man that he cares so much for you that God is looking for a relationship with you and he he has bought that relationship with you through the person of Jesus Christ for Jesus going to the cross taking our sins upon his self that we can become the righteousness of God through Christ Jesus man the scripture says that that he became a curse so that we might be blessed so anybody who you kind of feel like you're a curse you kind of feel like bad things have just been following you right now in Jesus mighty name god I ask you to bless them Lord that they are more than conquerors through Christ Jesus even now let them feel that fire of your Holy Spirit which we talked about from the beginning God we honored you Lord with our lips and we honor you with our hearts God that you will meet our friends where they are right now in Jesus mighty name Lord let them know God that you love them and that you have a plan and a purpose for their life to bless them to prosper them and Lord God that they can run to you with their problems they can't run to you with their stress and with their worries and with their doubts and their fears and they laid at the feet of King Jesus Lord I thank you for them and bless them and keep them in Jesus mighty name thank you Lord amen brother thank you for coming on the show man reach out to me man anytime you have anything to say any any time you want to come back on do the platforms open we can do some roundtable discussions with other people as well man do something uh you know I'm saying just something interactive for everybody I stay in touch yeah definitely enjoyed it I was speaking with you man so thanks for coming in whatever feedback you get too if you get some feedback on some of this stuff you know let's do if there's something somebody's thinking out there maybe we can come back to something like that if there's an idea or a thought they have you know maybe some time we can come back to something about one of those things to you oh I'm sure there will be definitely brother we will yeah all right Derek you have a good day sir all you think you too brother thanks so much for coming on absolutely man Levi O'Brien from Jesus camp ladies and gentlemen if you guys haven't seen that documentary go back and watch it definitely after hearing all of this stuff you got it you got to see it he was just a little kid when they filmed it what'd he say it was like 12 12 years old I think he was whenever they filmed it and a lot of the stuff you see on there it seems really extreme with the the music and the backdrops and the lighting setup and all that so like these people knew what they were doing when they came in there I do find it weird that he just went to a random you know youth camp or church revival and he become a celebrity out of it just showing up as a kid man you know he didn't plan for none of that to happen man he just showed up in it all of it kind of fell in his lap God works in mysterious ways dawning so yeah thanks so much for all the support everybody like I said you want to check out those books you can download your first audiobook for free at audible.com/asap and it supports the show we get a kickback on everyone who signs up you don't have to spend any money just sign up and download your audiobook I've been listening to them for a couple weeks now and really really digging the audio 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bring all of your you know how your your your mind kind of wanders and how to kind of bring it in and focus on creating the life that you want for yourself man and you do that in the power he does he seminars where they just sit down and kind of kind of get into meditation and just focus on the now and he's kind of world-renowned man he's got a couple books out I say a couple I think he's got like 80 books out he's got a crazy number of books but it's gonna be an awesome show Wednesday night so make sure if you look if you're watching this on youtube if you're watching this on Facebook be sure to go and subscribe over at iTunes if you have an iPhone iTunes Android there's a link on there it'll bring up all kind of podcasting apps subscribe to us on iTunes and give us a like in a subscription over there it would mean so much thank you guys we'll be back Wednesday night Shalom Shalom