Judy Messoline | The Lady Who Built A UFO Watchtower

Judy Messoline | The Lady Who Built A UFO Watchtower
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very interesting so I've been following
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then judy Meza line Judy welcome to the
show how are you thank you I'm great how
are you I'm doing really good thanks for
coming on and spend a little time with
me hanging out talking about your story
you're more than welcome
alright so Judy is in Hooper Colorado
and I guess what she's noted for right
now how the documentaries the interviews
and things like that is talking about
the UFO Watchtower and she has a website
which is UFO Watchtower calm so talk a
little bit about that what is that a UFO
Watchtower um I moved to the valley San
Luis Valley in 1995 to raise cattle but
from the time I've moved here all I
heard were UFOs stories from the locals
and I just giggle and say we need a UFO
Watchtower never thinking I would ever
do it I struggled with cows for four and
a half years because they don't eat sand
real well and I got to the point I just
didn't have the money to feed them
anymore so I had to sell the herd I was
working at the gas station up in Hooper
and one of the farmers was in one day
and I was telling him about my dilemma I
said I had to sell the cows but I don't
want to sell my land and he said well
you need to put up that UFO Watchtower
you'd have fun so I did if the dome
building has a platform that goes around
it when you get up and the platform's
only ten feet high but when you're
already at 7600 feet you don't need to
be much higher but it gets you up up off
the lay of the land and when you get up
on the tower you you've got a 360 degree
view of the valley thus far we've had a
hundred and forty-five UFO sightings
from the tower since we opened in 2000
I personally have seen 27 of them and
just phenomenal and you have to think
about it from the standpoint from I had
never seen anything prior to opening I
never expected to then we started having
the sightings and I'm going oh my god
what have I been missing out on but
we've had daytime sightings as well as
nighttime and we've seen actual ships as
well as the strange life so it's it's
been quite the experience I'll tell you
that my can't believe that this has been
going now for 17 years it has just blown
my mind and I said where did the time go
as I'm reading your bio here it's
talking about what kind of got you
interested in some of this stuff was
watching a lot of TV watching the
television show sightings and watching
x-files and and then here in these
different memes and things that are
going on in the television shows or even
in the music and the movies and stuff
you start to put you know things
together and it almost seems like these
people who are writing these movies are
writing these shows they know something
that we don't and when we pick up on
this stuff and start putting the pieces
together we start finding out that they
were onto something so is it something
about the location because you kept
hearing about great sand dunes San Luis
Valley and things like that is there
something about the location that you
believe is special yes they've had
documented UFO sightings in the valley
since about the 1560 the conquistadors
wrote in their journals what they had
seen there's there's all kinds of ideas
of why here some say it's the
spirituality of the valley
the Native Americans consider the valley
flora sacred they wouldn't fight on the
valley floor they'd have their peace
talks on the valley floor some say that
they've um there's an ET Base over in
mount blanket it could be
there's lots of activity over there and
we have actually seen planes fly into
that that mountain so I don't know
what's in there but maybe someday we'll
find out others say it's the vastness of
the valley because it's so large or not
highly populated I was reading a
magazine from Great Britain and it said
that the majority of their sightings was
where there were hot water wells that
makes sense to me because we have the
geothermal water from one end of the
valley to the other so what somebody
would need from another world with the
geothermal water I don't know unless
they're following the fault line which
that makes sense as well mm-hmm so
talking about a UFO Watchtower and
creating almost a UFO sanctuary like
this special place that you can come to
to have an encounter to meet with the
divine because I know you guys tie
spirituality and with it which is so
beautiful when I sort of have in my
experiences going out sky watching and
seeing craft and seeing ships or what we
could call it ships that seem to be
alive and seem to morph and change and
travel back and forth from what we call
heaven to earth and seeing all of these
things that just blows your mind when I
started having these encounters I had a
crew of guys over here
and we went to work on my backyard and
we cut down all the trees so that I had
a clear view of the night sky in my
backyard
and essentially created my own UFO
sanctuary that we can go and meditate
and watch this the sky and you know try
to make contact essentially asking for a
sighting so that's that's what kind of
you know I'm saying drew me to you work
as well as like okay you actually did it
you you built it you took the time to do
that and it's awesome that you're doing
it and you actually let people come in
people come in and stay I know you guys
do bed and breakfast and stuff like that
as well right correct we have a
campground and I'll tell you what's
really been cool about this whole thing
is that we have found that people who
have had experiences
can come and talk to them with us and we
don't make fun of them you know where if
they go to the general public and try to
say well I saw such-and-such and
somebody will say what were you drinking
or what were you smoking you know and we
don't do that we have we have very open
mind and we hopefully want people who
come to have an open mind as well now
personally I think that that the people
from another world I think they're in a
different dimension than we are and
that's why they can pop in and out at
will and whether that true or not I
don't know but it sure makes sense why
how they can be there one second and
gone the next I get this notion from
just studying the way things work and in
the world and the government and stuff
like that and seeing in seeing videos
from outer space of laser beams being
shot from Earth and being shot up at the
stars or at moving objects in space and
then those objects will turn around and
leave when a laser beam is shot up at
them very compelling footage I get the
notion that and I want to say if you
agree with this that some of these ships
when they come in you know the
government doesn't want us to see these
guys whether they will try to send I've
seen I've seen UFOs during the day and
they were there they told me to look at
it was some telepathic communication
that say hey look over here this is
where this plane is flying I look over
and we're a jet was flying was right
towards a UFO that was just posed there
a sphere in the middle of the day as
soon as I seen it I said is that a UFO
it disappeared it let me see it and then
it left I had this feeling that do you
that the government doesn't want us to
know that they're there and doesn't want
us to make contact do you have any
information on that no but I really feel
that you're on the right track
we've seen them as well in fact I
saw one one time it was following a
deadline er and the silver orb appeared
behind the jetliner and was bouncing off
the jet stream and all of a sudden it's
gone you know it's the same when you
make oh you call the media and you say
hey we just had a UFO sighting and boy
they they put it on there their newscast
and everything and then you never hear
about it again and I think I think these
folks are hushed up by the government
the government doesn't want us to know
what's going on which is kind of a piss
because if in fact they are there and if
in fact they are trying to help why why
does not the government why don't they
pursue that why don't they let them help
yeah that that really is the dilemma and
if they if they are the good guys cuz I
really believe that the craft that are
out there are the good guys like every
interaction I've had the people that I'm
involved with and people who are going
out pursuing contact of the fifth kind
the ce-5 initiatives to go out in an
open field to meditate and to pray to
get oneself prepared to have an
encounter and a lot of people do it does
take time you have to wait and just like
fishing almost like I think if you go
out fishing you can't just kind of you
know cast your reel in and pull
something right back out it's kind of
the same thing and I like to relate it
to fishing because there's so much
there's so much out there in space just
like if we was to look at the ocean of
all of the different beings all of the
different creatures some of that we've
never were discovering even after the
Hurricanes washing these weird-looking
space creatures onto the ocean onto the
beach from the ocean which we've never
seen before and there's all types of
stuff out there so when we look into the
ocean it's almost the same thing as
gazing into the heavens whether it's all
types of beings spirits and entities and
angels and things like that that are
spoken of in the holy books like if
we're talking about angels as rain
there's orders there's the Bible calls
that the host of heaven and the host is
the armies of heaven in the fleet and
they travel and I've seen so much stuff
out there and and a lot of times you'll
be out there stargazing or looking for
UFOs and you you'll be you're be looking
out there for just a light or something
to make contact with and you'll see
something totally different like what
are some of the things that you've seen
that maybe it wasn't a UFO maybe it was
a spirit maybe it was an angel but it
looked different versus just a light in
the sky what are some of the different
things you've seen well we've seen the
orb that are down in front of the tower
and we see those just quite often and so
what are they they say that they're an
energy so what kind of energy you know
we've seen them oh we had some campers
report last summer three different times
of seeing these green figures
illuminated in the green light running
the place we had a paranormal group come
and they stayed at the B&B and they went
over to the tower in the middle of the
night and they said that they saw a
figure illuminated in the green light
standing out there well they thought I
had put something out there as I do that
I i decorate things around the place and
I hadn't put anything out there they
came back the next morning to see and
nothing was there so again there's some
kind of an energy there and I think they
are trying to make contact we have a
garden in the front of the tower and
they call it the healing garden and it's
a place for people to go and meditate
and relax and kind of get into
themselves I've had psychics tell me
that we have two large vortexes there
and they described a vortex as a portal
to a parallel universe or an opening
they spin in they're full of energy
they also said that there are two large
beings there who protect the entrances
to the vortexes but they are also there
to help so if someone goes into the
garden and ask for help with their life
whether it be financial spiritual or
whatever there to ask for that help
there has been phenomenal results we
have one woman who swears to God that
the garden healed her cancer and if it
did oh thank God hallelujah you know the
other thing that the psychics told me is
that we have a Christ ship under our
under the tower under the dome and I
really believe that because when you get
so many in and there's been thirty
thirty-five psychics and who have all
said the same things you start believing
it and you know my grandson said to me
one day I had to run up to the post
office and he watched the shop for me
while I was gone and he said grandma I
saw an alien come out of a hole there
and I thought okay it's the kid's
imagination right well I went over and
sure enough there was a hole and there
was an area where something could have
come out of it
so do I believe in all this stuff you
betcha you know it's taken it took some
time to get used to it but I'll tell you
something there is definitely something
over there under that Tower and they say
that it's the Palladian and they are
protecting me and I totally believe that
there's a lot of a lot of people who are
skeptics about it they don't believe and
I think I really do think seeing is
believing I think that makes a lot of
sense just I think there's an inward
knowing too though before you see it
almost like you you kind of went out on
a limb and created this facility this
this sanctuary with
even having the encounters out there so
almost like if you build it they will
come and that's so true because people
are skeptical they you know they don't
believe you you sound crazy you're
talking about seeing UFOs and then did I
just hear you say that you're
telepathically communicating with and
receiving messages from these beings or
are these ships and so that sounds even
more crazy right so but I truly believe
if you build it they will come
if you go out there and you spend the
time and your intention is pure and you
want to see a craft if you want to see
the angels I believe a hundred percent
that they will show up that it's not an
instant thing I think going out there
sometimes taking hours sometimes I think
that that's almost to kind of prove that
you really want it like how like how bad
do you want to know and if you want to
know they will show themselves to you is
that kind of what you've seen of
skeptics come out there and haven't seen
anything oh yes and they're skeptics you
know I get lots of them but once they
have seen something then it seems like
they have been opened up within
themselves and I've you know we tell
people to go out in the garden to feel
the energy and I've got folks who say
well I'm a skeptic and I don't believe
in this stuff and I tell them just open
yourself walk through the garden and
feel the energy that's out there and
nine times out of 10 every one of them
are self something so yeah if if you
want it you have to want it and you have
to have be open enough in your heart to
accept it what were some of the
sightings that you've seen and I know
that I know because I've went out that's
been mint much time as well and you've
seen a lot at this point and so in the
beginning it everything's new this so
it's different stuff coming but then
it's like okay I've seen it and you have
to keep the newness alive you have to
keep a newness of it there but what what
is some of the the sightings that you've
seen
that kind of made you know that this is
real versus seeing lights in the sky of
them parking in space and then changing
directions and things like that what
were some of the things that you saw
that you absolutely believed after that
we've seen the cigar-shaped one and that
one just moved really quickly in front
of us it was 11 o'clock at night we had
over a dozen people there everybody
thought my granddaughter and I were
coming back from jail nor at one evening
it was about 5:30 and over by Mount
Blanca there was the circle of life just
going around in the circle and then the
big beam was shining down on top of it
and I said to her I said you watch that
I'm driving I can't pull over he was
only able to watch it for another few
seconds and then it disappeared well it
reappeared about 15 miles to the north
and some kids coming home from poolside
so again what the heck was it you know I
don't know if you're familiar with
Kenneth Arnold but he was a pilot and
they did a painting of him in 1947
showing the chips that that he had seen
and the lady who runs my BMB Candace he
saw the same one here's here two years
ago over by Mount Blanca well then I had
a gentleman come in from he lives in
Fort Garland and he came in the
following week and said that he had seen
it on his property there at the end of
last summer I had a family come in they
have property in Perth Ireland and they
saw four of them on their property there
so whatever it is it's still around you
know and it's amazing how many different
shapes there are of UFOs that have been
seen we've seen what looks like a
satellite coming across the sky I mean
traveling just like a satellite then all
of a sudden the dang fool things stop
satellites don't stop the one that we
watched just sat there for a few seconds
and then it went straight up one night
it looks like a well I kind of thought
maybe it was a shooting star and I'm
watching it come down it got below the
peaks of the mountains and then like it
lost its momentum and it started to
float well I'm thinking that maybe the
downdraft from the mountains would have
done that but the downdraft from the
mountains didn't shoot it back up into
the sky and that's what it did so you
know there's there's lots of things I
mean we watch we've watched these lights
going really fast and just stop they're
not supposed to stop I've checked with
the Air Force guys to come in you know
can our plane go real fast and just stop
and they said don't even think about the
plane doing it the g-force on our bodies
our bodies would slow up so if this has
been pretty amazing
here I have not I'm in the south I'm in
Alabama I want to come up there I've got
a lot of friends up there but I
definitely want to come up there and see
you guys Oh have you ever seen a fleet
like more than one at one time or some
traveling together yes yes and and
what's crazy is you'll see them going
together and all of a sudden one in the
middle just changes directions and goes
the opposite way and that's not normal
they claim it's really interesting to
see the self because there's a lot of
people who actually captured us on
footage have you ever had anybody or do
you guys have night-vision goggles and
have seen anything with that if y'all
tried that yet
no we have we have people who's taken
pictures we have people who have taken
videos and they're pretty amazing does
the one video I've got these folks were
camping and they saw this light and they
started a video in this and it was just
dancing all over the sky planes don't
dance all over the sky yeah no yeah
that's that's the weird thing where you
know it's not a satellite were there
changing speeds and one shooting out in
front of the other it's almost like
they're playing a little bit you know
that they want to be seen they know
they're being watched
almost like dolphins essentially you
know just that really playful spirit
about them and I don't think that
they're here to harm us I think they are
here to help us but until we are ready
for the help I don't think that's going
to happen and I said what if what if
they would make themselves known on
earth what would people down here do
they go grab a gun and shoot at them you
know I mean yeah oh they would panic and
maybe that's why the government is
trying to keep it so hard I don't I
don't
I've talked I've talked to people who if
aliens are real to them and they call
them aliens we I don't think they call
themselves aliens but it that way but if
these beings exist then it would let it
said they would lose faith in their
religion and in their holy books and
things like that and there's almost a
fear that if aliens exist that maybe
they did create humankind maybe they are
the angels of the Bible things like that
and there's a hysteria there even from
like the religious community I've had
many conversations with people but then
on the opposite for me it doesn't make
me doubt my religious beliefs but it
enforces them to say no it's not a fairy
tale like there are actual angels out
there that exist and they travel back
and forth from heaven to earth and if
you want to you can see them in transit
and they'll come and say hello so it
almost reinforces my belief in the
spirit realm and in God and and of my
core beliefs
and stuff you know I dunno and and if
you read Ezekiel let's talk about
Ezekiel's wheel what what the heck were
they saying you the Book of Enoch yes it
would take the Bible why you know I get
lots of religious folks in and and we
sit and discuss this stuff but I'm not
there to change anybody's beliefs or
anybody's mind I'm there to listen and
and if I can help to help you mind
taking a phone call
not at all okay so phone lines are open
if anybody has a question for Judy or
myself you guys can call in we do have a
caller here from Northwest Arkansas
- hello caller on air okay well you
talked about
I'm sorry Marlene is right hold on I'm
gonna have to mute you for a second turn
your audio down on the computer because
it's feeding back and I'll bring you
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Northwest Arkansas what's up brother how
you doing I'm fine actually
not on your songs Omni have been
communicating a bit for the practically
both at you and you know Geneva the
Baptist uh-huh yeah yeah we just did
that interview a couple days ago mm-hmm
had him on a show you called in during
that show or no
no but you know and I'm yelling with you
on your song that's why we have the
empathic liable thanks so much man do
you have a question for Judy look in the
UFO encounters or anything yeah I
couldn't say that I'm not a normal human
being myself and I've actually been held
trapped by the government as we speak
what are you waiting for my dear
literature so I can escape okay well hey
man give us a call back whenever
Judy's off the air man we'll go into a
little detail about that appreciate you
calling ma'am yeah a lot of people have
had encounters a lot of people have had
experiences some people are scared to
talk about them I do think that's the
reason why I do this show in general we
cover a lot of UFO topics here but
spiritual topics that people have nobody
to talk to so there is a show here there
is people who make themselves available
to answer questions and just let people
feel like they're not alone it's like
you were talking about people think
you're on drugs I know how many times
I've heard that where I was doing
podcast from and I was still involved in
a lot of religious circles and I would
go around these people or go to meetings
and they would say what you said I want
to know what you're smoking what were
you on what I want what you have and
it's like nothing like I'm being quite
honest you know and you can you don't
have to have anything and that was one
thing that when we would go out and I
would have my own encounters and I would
try to take groups of people out who
were intrigued to want to go out and
that's one thing I told them was like
you know they want to drink beer they
want to smoke herb or whatever I'm say
okay you guys can do that but not out
here let's don't give any room for that
because people say y'all were just
drinking and smoking and doing drugs and
we don't we want to make sure this is
real you know what are some of the
expressions on people's face when they
see this stuff for the first time people
just having their whole lives changed
when they had these encounters I think
so it certainly gives them something
else to think about besides all the
troubles of the world you know but they
can't get over what they've seen and
then they try to rationalize what it was
and which I did the same thing but there
was no rationalization you know no
excuse for it
nope so one want to get through their
mind that possibly there is something
else out there besides just us and I'm
certain that there is something out
there if I have you ever seen any
activity with the constellations because
I'm sure you guys have a great view is
there any cuz I mean I've heard people
say that they see them traveling like
the Big Dipper but like these beings or
UFOs will travel and almost outline them
or they'll I've seen them go into star
systems and disappear a lot of activity
with Orion have you guys noticing
anything with this with the
constellations like they're doing a dot
to God yeah but anyway I had a guy call
me one night he said duty are you
watching the triangular one up by the
moon and I said what triangular one up
by the moon and he says we've been
watching it for three nights get outside
with your binoculars and look I didn't
need binoculars I mean it was sitting
right there
mm-hmm that there's for two more nights
and then it does Danny but yeah you know
we have seen some really strange stuff
and again with the constellations you
can see these objects moving in and out
and in and out some but
tell me somebody show me proof that they
are there because I'm certain yes
something's going on like you said
whether and that's what gets me cuz so
you know you always try to rationalize
it like you say you're trying to make
sense of everything okay so let's say
it's the government let's just say it's
the government testing out this this new
equipment or interstellar travel or
something you just seen you know back
engineered craft it takes an it takes it
on another turn when I bring up the
telepathic communication that they're
communicating right and that just throws
a whole wrench into that for me or or
satellite I don't think it a satellite
is going to communicate a thought or an
idea or an awe of creativity or a spark
this interest in you what are some of
the stuff that you've seen is there a
message there is there like a impression
it's almost like they want us to return
to the arch to be creative to enjoy life
to love one another like these are the
messages that we receive when we see
these crafts and stuff are you picking
up on stuff like that I don't know if
it's a voice or just an inward knowing
that you get from seeing these ships
they say I'm certain they're trying to
get us to love one another and spread
love and peace throughout the world and
if we can get some of this horrible
stuff out of our society
you know everybody should open their
heart they should have respect for other
people they should have respect for
themselves but they they need to get
some violence out of society and once
that happens then maybe yes maybe we'll
get to have contact
I don't think everybody's waiting for
government disclosure there's people who
have rallies and meetings that want the
government to admit to what's going on I
personally think that this glow
gonna happen through the people people
like ourselves who are making contact or
having visitations and it starts there
and it just progresses but what do you
think about the government actually
coming out making a statement about it
do you think that that will ever happen
or anytime soon
well I just don't know I said I hope it
happens in my lifetime but they not you
know it's like um Hillary Clinton said
you elect me on opening the UFO FILES
Obama says before I leave office I'm
opening the UFO FILES well that still
hasn't been done you know the Prime
Minister of Canada he publicly said the
United States has been working with
extraterrestrials hurry on why can't
they tell us that they're working with
you know are you familiar with Sylvia
Browne yes oh yes yes well she wrote a
book called the secrets and mysteries of
the world in there she talks about
extraterrestrials and she says that they
look just like us and they're already
walking amongst us and maybe they're
already here
trying to get things settled but will it
happen I'm ready for it to happen I had
a young man in and he said that his
grandfather was the chief investigator
for Project Blue Book have you ever seen
Project Blue Book when you start I've
seen documentaries oh yeah I'm pretty
but but where they they've got all of
this dialogue going on in there they
have blacked out sentence after sentence
after sentence so you really didn't get
anything out of it but he said on his he
said his grandfather could not discuss
what was going on with that and he said
his grandfather was on his dying bed and
said to him you believe it it's real
so that's what happens with a lot of
these people they won't say anything
until they're about ready to die you
know but the government has such a
control yeah I had them a group come and
visit me from the Navy
missus in a year ago and Strategic
Studies group is what it was called and
there was I think seven of them who came
they told me that I couldn't video and I
couldn't take pictures and they wouldn't
be there but I think the one I think he
had a camera in his sunglasses but
anyway see the commander of the Coast
Guard whipped out his cell phone and he
showed me a picture of a UFO coming out
of the ocean I have heard that story
from others who have visited the towers
so many times and so you know they they
all know something that we just don't
know and I'm ready for them to be on the
up enough and let the American public
know what the devil is going on people
say well what Jerseyan is drone they
didn't have drones 17 years ago you know
I think they say it hot-air balloon
baloney I've seen a hot-air balloon I
just I want to know for a fact what the
heck it is I want to know I had a guy in
and he was an air traffic controller and
he said that he gets six to eight UFO
reports a month from the pilot and he
said he's not permitted to document why
you know why not oh yeah they're set up
like yeah I mean that's the thing too
like here's the whole thing even with
NASA with the Hubble like you could see
some awesome pictures of stars and solar
systems and things with
to Hubble and if we're going out and
we're seeing things with the naked eye
like you said without binoculars and
then you use binoculars you can see so
much more and then people are using
night-vision goggles military-grade and
they're seeing so much stuff flying
around outside of the atmosphere and
doing all types of aerial phenomena but
NASA has never picked up anything on the
Hubble this is how you know something's
going on that they're not releasing this
stuff you can go out and have your own
encounters with the naked eye but NASA
is like we don't know maybe you know
they won't say anything that's that's
how I know something's up we can go out
there right now if we wanted to and take
the time even during the day that's when
it gets real right when you have the
night the night vision what the night
encounters and then they start happening
during the day so it's not just lights
it is the cigar shape ones and the orbs
and things that are showing up so but I
encourage people if they're intrigued
just to go out there and do it for
themselves if they want to know you can
know you know I think that exists for
everybody
I think the Vatican has what I
understand this really high-powered
telescopes and it's supposed to be one
of the best in the world from what I
have heard but they finally came out the
Pope came out and says it's okay to
believe in aliens yeah I remember that
yeah sure he wanted to baptize them and
I said well I'm game can you get them to
come on down so we can baptize yeah it
is awesome when I remember that was a
lot of in a lot of new sources in the
UFO community ate that up when he came
out several years back and was talking
about UFOs and it doesn't go against our
beliefs or whatever and they may need to
be redeemed in stuff as well and share
the gospel with the aliens and stuff
it's pretty pretty funny but I somebody
knows what's going on and I don't like
it so I don't think they're gonna tell
us so I think it's up for us to do the
research and the
our stories on shows just set like this
one and everybody has a piece of the
puzzle and to kind of bring it together
and see what fits and see if we can make
a picture out of it and and try to find
out what's going on and and really you
know I think how we can benefit our
lives and that's really what I'm
concerned with like how can you know UFO
contact help us out today helped me in
my day to day and I think that it
encourages spirituality creativity
intrigue all and wonder and love and all
of these feelings and emotions that you
get when you have a supernatural
encounter is essentially what it is and
I love it now chasing you know those
those first encounters that I had ma'am
I'm doing work right now that is built
off of encounters from 2012 you know and
I'm still talking about them and doing
research and things like that and
essentially trying to take it take a
little bit further as we come upon the
end of the show talk a little bit about
funding and how people can help you guys
build how you got help keep you guys in
business and what you offer and
everything that's there like how are you
guys able to stay afloat and continue
building what you guys have because it's
a really beautiful facility everybody
definitely needs to go to the website as
well that's UFO Watchtower dot-com I
know she has a book as well that crazy
lady down the road she has a book
available and some other t-shirts and
products and things like that but talk a
little bit about how people can can get
behind you guys and help and even come
out and visit we always take donations
so and those can be sent to post office
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one one three six but most of the
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visit I charge a nominal fee for them to
come in and and get the information two
dollars a person or five dollars or
Carlos and then of course we have the
gift shop and that helps a whole lot but
it seems like the UFO Watchtower has
finally come into its own the last
couple of
thanks to the media who has been really
plugging this for us
and and if anybody is really interested
they should go look at that vice video
nice did a marvelous job on that oh but
come on down to the San Luis Valley in
southern Colorado and see yes we're on
the cosmic highway 17 I got some friends
up that way I'm definitely gonna send
him your way the vice documentary was
awesome they did it justice sometimes
Vice can be divisive vice divisive
sometimes they could be divisive of
painting people to look silly or to look
crazy or let's make fun of this person
but they really did justice to your
story and and promote it which you have
going on like I said to build the
intrigue getting all into wonder man
this is interesting and uh and there's a
lot of other people on there as well
with similar stories and I got a friend
of mine who vice came out and did a
documentary on them as well Brandon
Barth Rob and I had him on the show -
really cool and seeing how many
followers he got and people checking out
the work after he they went live on Vice
can you talk a little bit about that
experience I who set that up for you did
they contact you or was there an email
saying like how did that work out for
you and how was that whole experience
they contacted me and anybody who wants
to do an interview that's what they have
to do I don't go out searching for them
yes this has brought so much interest
the media just eats it up and so thanks
to them I don't have to do a lot of
advertising now another one that's a
good one is roadside America and then of
course the local TV station here in
Colorado and they both they have not
made fun of me at all now at the
beginning when I first started this the
radio personality just drove me nuts
all you know so but that that pretty
much has got no word and now we have
posters taking it serious and I really
appreciate it
well thanks for coming on and hanging
out with me we'll try to send some
people your way definitely go there and
purchase the book and if you guys are
looking for a retreat a sinner you want
to make contact
it's it helps to get with people who are
already making contact and they know
what to do the protocols and things like
that it's you know there's that there's
a lot of serious work that goes into it
is it is a lot of spiritual work and and
I've seen a lot of documentaries where
people go out to see a UFO and they get
with different communities and different
people and they go out and they have a
you know they see UFOs but they have a
life-changing the experience with the
spiritual side of it and the work that
goes into it and I've read your work
I've read some of the people that you
guys aren't involved with and seen
footage and videos of you guys doing the
spiritual work in the prayer and the
meditation and stuff like that in the
garden that you guys have and it's just
so beautiful
keep up the positive work and the energy
and thanks so much for coming on and
hang out what my appreciate it thank you
alright thank you Judy bye-bye bye Julie
Judy misalign ladies and gentlemen got
it right yeah make sure you guys go
check out our work if you guys are this
far into the interview you're still
listening there's got to be some type of
intrigue there right I think I did it
justice as far as I'm using those words
that's what it that's what it was for me
the intrigue the creativity everything
that you see coming from my way at this
point was birthed from some really
amazing supernatural encounters with
UFOs and just to kind of address a
little bit the whole UFO community and
stuff like that from the religious
standpoint man I can't I still catch a
lot of flak from my Christian friends I
have a lot of Christian friends who were
still in the church or trying to be
accepted by the church community and
things like that and they can't be
themselves right
I have friends who smoke marijuana who
drink almost on a nightly basis but they
would never let their Christian brothers
and sisters catch them doing that ever
like they know that it did chop their
head right off
and so I really love being myself and
having in other people who who are just
comfortable in their own skin like John
Illuminati Congo like the caller
mentioned we interviewed him last week
and he's a beautiful brother but to see
somebody in being them their authentic
self and and it drives you to envy men
to do what they love to do for a living
and to pursue the passions that they
have and be okay with it it says it says
so much and I want to preface that to
say that some of my friends who were in
the church realm who are into drugs or
into alcohol and different things like
that and there's nothing I'm not downing
here i'm i'm downing it because they
point a finger at me and say that you
know i'm like yeah i like a lot of what
true seeker talks about but the whole
alien things i don't get I don't get the
the infatuation where aliens aliens
could be demons aliens could be this and
so I think we've done the research I
think we've were pretty pretty
well-versed in the scriptural references
of supernatural encounters with angelic
beings to know that they take many
shapes and forms and like I said earlier
aliens I don't even like using that word
I you I use it in my art but I don't
even like using that word but because
they don't call themselves aliens hey
what's your name we're the aliens how
are you no it doesn't work like that
not at all whether they're from a
certain star system which how do we know
that the angels aren't from another star
system I know that there's so much
information over the years from other
prophets and people have in their own
encounters gazing into the heavens and
seeing things moving in and out of star
systems Orion I'm so intrigued with
Orion every time I've Stargate
and then seeing craft or beings we might
not even be craft I know a lot of times
they're their actual beings and they're
not nuts and bolts ships like these are
beings are so much footage of of these
things morphing and changing shape in
the in the air and in outer space and
some people have some really crazy
footage man and it wouldn't even it's
like a ship that just morphs into
another ship or something it's just
crazy stuff I don't even know but I do
know that the Scriptures talk about the
the Seraphim and she mentioned the Book
of Enoch earlier the book of veena talks
about that the angels of the Most High
are as a flame of fire they're made out
of the fire of God the word Seraphim
itself is translated the fiery ones or
the fiery serpents in the Book of Psalms
it says that the Lord maketh his
ministering spirits his warring angels
as a flame of fire so that kind of
reiterates what Enoch is talking about
and Hebrews repeats that the book of
Hebrews so talks about these fiery
beings inai talks about they have the
ability at will when they're in heaven
and they travel at the speed of light or
faster than the speed of light they look
like fire and as they will they can come
to earth and take upon the appearance of
men and Hebrews talks about like she was
talking about as well looking like
people Hebrews says that we in we
entertain angels unaware we don't even
know it or have an interaction with
angels messengers is what the word angel
means they come with a message with the
spirit with a vibration with a
thought-form and all of this stuff is
it's beautiful and there's just
different layers man we look at the
different hierarchies of angels if we
don't even talk about aliens just keep
it angelic
keep it biblical if that's what you want
to do we can do that and if we but if we
do that then there's so much mystery and
intrigue but I think that they're
interlocked I think that we are able to
go out and see a
just traveling back and forth it tells
us that in the scriptures it tells us
that I believe it's Jeremiah I want to
say that talks about the angels
traveling back and forth and it talks
about them answering prayers and
carrying prayers and all types of roles
that the angels do and they operate in
Enoch goes into a lot of detail about it
the Book of Enoch is mentioned of in the
book of Jude in the Bible and you guys
have heard me say this before but my
intrigue is like I'm a biblical
theologian I get into the scriptures
I've studied them for years I know them
in and out and there's this and I don't
know I'm like an expert like I have to
quit studying there's just so much every
time you read it there's something new
in those scriptures and you get a deeper
understanding if you don't study the et
phenomena if you don't study Enoch
you're not going to understand the Bible
you're not the Bible isn't one book
anyway the Bible is many books in
letters and writings that were collected
and put together into Bible biblio s--
or the little book so many books put
together letters collect it from church
sent to charges and collected to put in
a book so there's other books that are
mentioned in the Bible
and I'll need to do a probably a show on
this or just a teaching just to kind of
give you guys the references because I
have all the research I have everything
printed out and all the studying this is
early stuff for me being able to do this
and so to understand that the book of
shamaya is a prophet that's mention of
in the Bible the book of II do the
Prophet the book of the Wars of the
Israelites the book of Jasher the Book
of Enoch all of these are quoted by
prophets and quoted by sages
and I'm interested in what was in those
books the book of Giants all kind of
stuff mentioned up in the Bible I can
show you this stuff I'll probably do a
video on it so with all that to be being
said it's like it gets deep you can see
whether we're tracing it from a biblical
perspective or not if you even follow
that narrative but I know that I know
it's getting popular now
like The Book of Enoch is very popular
now remember some years ago when we were
getting into it it was like uh stay away
from that book but now they teach it in
in many churches like you know I
remember seeing several years back and
it was so awesome because I am a Benny
Hinn fan I do appreciate a lot of benny
hand Benny Hinn's teachings about the
Holy Spirit and spinning intimacy with
God and things like that so I remember
watching an episode of I don't know if
it's just as your day whatever the name
of the TBN show is with Paul Crouch
who's like the founder of TBN he had
Benny Hinn and they were just having a
conversation and they were talking about
angels and talking about demons and
stuff and Benny Hinn to begin to go into
the Book of Enoch on his show anybody
blue uh Paul Crouch his head off Paul
was like Benny I've been saved for 47
years and I've never heard this
information and Benny Hana's let you up
it's taken out of the Bible he's like
dropping knowledge on him and
everybody's got their jaw dropped in the
audience and it's hilarious man but I
was like oh yeah I got a kick out of
that he was blowing a head off with some
of this deeper esoteric knowledge about
the spirit round so if you're looking to
study how spirits operate if you're
looking to study how to have power and
authority over them you got to go to e
not you have to to understand the Bible
you gotta you got to understand you know
can't leave it out because the early
church understood it the early church
understood the testament of Solomon and
all of these apocryphal works the the
Apocrypha even that was like 14 books
that were taken out of the Bible that
were used in the 1611 King James Version
like it literally was part of the King
James and then they took out 14 books
I've got the 1611 version as well with
all of these books in it some beautiful
stuff in there some debatable stuff some
stuff that they can't rationalize so
they took it out and threw it out but
with that being said about the books
that talk about these angels to talk
about these heavenly encounters there
are some books out there that I believe
were created to deceive people whether
we're talking about a lot of the Gnostic
texts we're talking
about even the you ranch a book like I
want to believe the rancher book is real
but my spirit turns when I read it's
just so I could oh man I could feel the
intention behind it and the wording
they're trying to word it to sound like
the Bible this is insane
anyway that's my spiel on the books
that's must be alone on Christianity and
the UFO community and stuff like that
they you know they say it's all demon so
I wouldn't even I don't even entertain
that stuff anymore
that's definitely if you just because
you don't understand that you demonize
they call it demonic man I can't deal
with that no more maybe years ago we
could have dealt with that not anymore
so anyway I hope you guys enjoyed this
episode I love talking to interesting
people especially I mean this lady built
a UFO Watchtower on her property it's
this big platform and they got this big
dome and creating a sanctuary man like I
said I did that and my property went out
there and we had a bunch of people we
worked and cut down trees and we had big
trees in the way and my father-in-law
was out there with me I was like I want
that tree gone oh no let's leave that
one said no cutting it down because you
couldn't see you cut the tree down and
it would open up I got this big circle
in my backyard while I would just go out
there and just stargaze and uh spend
nights laying on on sheets looking at
the Stars and once the weather cools off
again I'm gonna be doing that again very
soon I missed those times this even is
conversation with with Judy uh it uh
that intrigued and that want to get back
out there and make contact again and
once you you make contact and you know
that something's going on you start
having these encounters it shows you
that how focused you are on the things
around you and the things of this world
when all you had to do is look up to
make contact all you had to do was look
up and you can see this stuff during the
day I know it's dangerous for me but
when I was seen at like when I was a
truck driver man like oh that's when I
would have light encounter I would pull
over on side the road and just gaze for
a while as well early
hours of the morning and see stuff but
I'd be driving I'm looking at traffic
and then I'm looking up I'm looking at
traffic and I'm looking up you know
while I'm driving I'm travelling the
country you know so with that being said
I mean there's so many even like um
entertainers and notable people who have
had encounters who like to talk about it
Muhammad Ali had one of the coolest
quotes about UFOs he said that he would
go out in the early morning jogging the
4:00 or 5:00 in the morning before the
Sun comes up and he said you can see
them like they were playing tag in the
morning sky playing tagging and you do
see a lot of activity right before the
Sun comes up you do see a lot and you
know there's some awesome quotes out
there people have seen some awesome
stuff so with that I must say blessing
Shalom and thanks for hanging out with
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