Over My Dead Body | A Journey Through Time | Kelly Fitzgerald Fowler
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Fowler Kelly welcome to the show how are
you I'm good nice to see you good to
have you
we're gonna talk about your book and
your your novel that's out and I've done
a lot of research on I haven't read it
so a lot of its gonna be new to me but
some of the topics and in the places
that you kind of went to get some of
these ideas create these characters in
the situation stuff it's very
interesting so before we get into the
book maybe you can give a little bit of
background about who you are and what
you bring to the table be awesome
well I bring a child of God to the table
yeah well I have been writing this book
for about 10 years I grew up in Nebraska
I live in Charleston South Carolina now
and I have two daughters one that lives
in the Upstate of South Carolina and one
that lives in Ireland and she's going to
school in Ireland which is exciting her
family we could go visit and I have two
grandchildren actually a grandson and
granddaughters and I'm excited about
that but yeah my my journey in writing
has been very supernatural and I'll talk
more about it as we go through here but
just the Midwestern ER and living in the
south so awesome um so would you would
you consider this this book this novel
would you consider it a Christian book
is it just for Christians or there are
no those Christian themes and things
like that adjust with the Bible yeah it
there are there is a Christian theme in
it to be honest with you when I started
writing this book I thought I was
writing it for Jewish people
funny the whole time I was riding it I
was really focused on Romans 1111 which
is basically Paul telling the people hey
it's a good thing that the Jewish people
rejected their Messiah or the Gentiles
wouldn't have came into the fold and so
now it's up to the Gentiles to bring
them back in to bring the Jewish people
back in to the fold and that's how
Romans 11:11 came across from Paul and
so I really was writing it I thought for
the Jewish people but then I realized
you know the the idiom over my dead body
could also go with the body of Christ a
little bit as in like the church body
you like wake up at some point working
out the gospel to the Jewish people
mm-hmm so there was that aspect of it
that kind of teach through when I
finished the novel finally and so I
realized it really is for Christians to
kind of get a fire under their bum to go
take the gospel not only to Jerusalem
but to the whole world but did not
forget that we do need to come back to
make Israel envious through signs and
wonders and so that's kind of how that
whole cycle flows so when I started the
journey in 2007 I was actually at a
conference in Chris bulletin from Bethel
Church was speaking and he's the person
that said oh that God you know he was
kind of just hung up it was off the cuff
or what but it made such an impact on me
he said over my dead body will you go to
hell is what God says over my dead body
will you go to hell and you have a
choice that you go to hell or not Jesus
chose heaven for you and so that
marinated in my mind for a really long
time and then the Holy Spirit was kind
of showing me different aspects of the
idiom of over my dead body
and my opening scene is is a greatest
you know that great site mom but it
really kind of started me on the journey
of like exploring deeper into what to do
with the story so so for the most part
the book is symbolic right it is it is
symbolic I mean it was based on a Bible
study that I was doing my own personal
Bible study with the Holy Spirit and it
urinated into this book and story that I
started writing probably it's been about
nine years ago and of course I was
raising children and you know doing
family stuff and busy that way so it
took a very long time to finish it but I
get a lot of research there's a lot of
biblical concepts in there that a lot of
people will relate to and I was also
just I was looking for a way to get
across concepts that I understood that I
didn't think was actually being clear to
other people mm-hmm I really wanted some
of those concepts and some of my
understanding of like the historical
aspect of from the foundations of the
earth and things that were happening
through history what happened to the
Jewish people through industry all of
that I wanted it to really help people
get like more of an overall picture in
their way on some topics and some
concepts that aren't normally discuss in
church yeah as much I'm not saying no
I'm just saying as much yeah there's
something about the story within a story
well haven't or having the allegory
you're telling a story but it's really
symbolic for these other people right I
think the Bible is written you know
saying much of that way especially for
the Old Testament reading about the
patriarchs reading about King David
Goliath
you know spiritually representing
something in your life the golden calf
represents something that you're gonna
have to face some type of idolatry and
things that we put above God those type
of things and so when we're able to kind
of take that in make it plain like
whether it's
the myth of the allegory in to tell a
story within a story some of the writers
that you've mentioned even in the in
India and in the bio of the book they've
all done that and have been successful
with it and those those stories have
kind of lived on to stand the test of
time where we have like if you're I mean
with all my CS Lewis Tolkien these type
of guys what is that the Star Wars
series and stuff like that they're like
stories within stories that represent
usually stuff that we're going through
the you know I'm saying the plight of
the of the human soul so how does that
relate to the book from your your aspect
of that who this is about like you're
reading about this person you know I'm
assuming you you wrote it this way that
as you're reading about this person
you're essentially reading about
yourself or something that you need to
do I know another big one is uh The
Alchemist by Paulo Coelho you know I'm
saying reading that it's just like
you're you're looking into a mirror
I think the scripture is written in such
a way as well yeah well this really very
much is has been my spiritual journey
and I actually in college I graduated
from Bellevue University but I I was
told to write at 30 it was a 30 page
paper on something that happened the
year you were born so that's gonna date
me but that's okay anyway I'm so okay so
I wrote about Star Trek in the
philosophy of Star Trek and what really
hit me so hard about the philosophy of
Star Trek is that Gene Roddenberry was
able to go in there and say okay we're
gonna talk about the black and white
issue we're going to talk about this
issue of that issue and he'd used that
those pictures in different situations
to kinda tell the story and to be able
to come across and this is kind of in
that way me saying okay Church time to
get on the bandwidth the bandwagon of
you know making sure that you're ready
to share with the Jewish people you know
what I mean and it's a tough that's a
tough topic I have to be honest with you
there's a lot of people that don't want
to approach it at all
and I've noticed that and that's okay
it's fine some people are called to it
but um the other thing is that along the
journey what I figured out is you know
there's there's different places where
you get like greater insight or greater
revelation from the Holy Spirit that oh
this is that why how come somebody
didn't tell me that years ago you know
what I mean yeah and one of those is
like I I remember opening like oh
actually I have it right here this
little Bible right here my little my
little how thick Bible okay this is just
a hairy round Bible well guess what in
the very last pages of this Bible it
lists all the prophecies that Jesus
fulfilled and it has Old Testament New
Testament fulfillment like right across
you know and I'm like okay wait a second
all of the you know as a kid when you're
sitting in church and you're saying oh
why does that you know like a teenager
let's say believing this why why why
well there's 330 reasons just in the
back of this book why but making the
connection is not there and I just want
didn't want people to get I wanted
people to realize that if you don't get
in the word for yourself
and dig in then you don't get access to
some of that those nuggets of truth that
will really solidify your faith so that
like you would know that you know that
you know that you're on the right track
mm-hmm
you know so I had my main character is a
secular Jewish guy living in New York
and I just recently married and you know
his father died and passed him a great
artifact that had traveled through
history and in that in the history of
that he he realizes that you know
there's some history about the high
priest anise and the high priests or
Ananias and it's he goes by both and in
that Ananias is like I started thinking
about that that guy that high priest he
was the first person that Jesus
um was taken to for his first of six
illegal trials and I thought now anis is
an old guy he's the father-in-law of
Caiaphas and I I started thinking and
the Holy Spirit led me along this lines
that panis could have been there when
Jesus was born that's how old he was you
know older he was Jesus was born he
could have been there when Jesus was in
the temple at age 12 he could have had a
personal run-in with Jesus on you know
on during the High Holy Days I mean I
know there were millions of people in
Jerusalem during those days but you know
Jesus and his parents went to the temple
on all the holy days and he could have
had interaction with Joseph and Jesus
and Mary and then of course at age 12
when Jesus came back to the temple or
the parents are like where's my kid you
know of course there's touching
everybody yeah it's like Anna's could
have been a witness to all of it
including all the way back to Herod yeah
right so when Herod was saying okay I
want all those babies in Israel or in
Bethlehem you know you gotta kill them
all you know what he could have been
become went to that decision so there's
a lot of places that this character
anise or Ananias could have been a part
of that put him into different parts
where I thought this this guy could have
seen the whole picture and he might not
have realized it till after Jesus was
crucified why he needed dawn yeah and
and then the other concept and that is
that Ananias Anna's he I feel like if he
was there through the whole thing he was
there at the crucifixion and then the
Holy Spirit kind of latest on my heart
or my story and this is not necessary
what he what Jesus said on the cross was
biblical but for my story I decided that
Ananias could have been there when Jesus
said forgive them for they know not what
they do and if Jesus only did what he
saw the father doing
then that means Ananias Anna's was
forgiven for what he had done so that
content
kind of led to even just it just
expanded the possibilities for what Mike
main character Joel could have gotten oh
yeah that's interesting yeah Jesus made
a lot of people mad I know well
especially the you know religious
leaders of the day and I'm you know I'm
assuming he was one of them it was the
main one you know you know maybe you
couldn't wait to say okay I got you now
he was the one saying you knew
everything in the temple and blowing
everybody's mind with this deep
knowledge okay let's see what kind of
knowledge you have now you know cuz it
it just blows my mind as well we're
never like Jesus is in the temple
teaching and they're reading the
scriptures and it goes back to you you
know pointing at the end of the the
Bible with all these scriptures there
were prophecies of Christ and he's like
you guys know this is talking about me
right and they're like what what do you
mean so yeah this is this is about me
we're reading about me and they you know
scream blasphemy and you know I'm saying
ran him out so he made a lot of people
mad so you could see why people were
kind of going after his head and you
know I think that spirit is still here
now you know what I'm saying as far as
the spirit of you know I guess if we
want to call it the Pharisees those who
are against God essentially or those who
are just about the traditions of men
over the Spirit of God and those type of
things and battling with that spirit so
does it so does your character have to
deal with that as well that that type of
spirit that exists well he doesn't
really run into well he does actually he
does run into a juice juice rabbi one of
the one of the characters comes along
and he's like you know for the building
of the Third Temple and all that stuff
and it's it does confront some of those
things that people are trying to say has
to happen for endtime stuff and now I
don't go into a bunch of endtime stuff
at all I really do stay inside the story
but I do have show the concepts of you
know
I have like four main characters and my
my jerusalem piece of it is you know the
Naomi and rabbi Jacob are kind of
helping Joel and his wife along their
journey of trying to get some truth out
okay
this is how to how to release like if
you had inherited an ancient scroll or
ancient thing and you knew it was the
truth and it was gonna change everything
you ever thought how would you release
it to the public
how would you get it out there and so
they they kind of help them along that
journey yeah and every single one of the
places that my characters go I have been
personally so interesting yeah yeah it
goes all over the world and that that
was exciting to be even I hadn't even
been to Jerusalem before 2004 and I told
the Holy Spirit I'm like when do I get
invited to Jerusalem I don't really want
to get so I finally did get to go on a
really great mission trip with with the
Bethel Kingdom culture so so so the
story goes the the main character
inherits a antique shop and there's some
type of relic what is the relic that
that he finds uh he he actually inherits
a box from this dad and that box has
certain artifacts in it which I won't
mention I'll let people go ahead and
read my I will tell you about one of
them one of them is a scroll from Anna's
that recorded everything that he saw and
everything about what why he was a part
of a witness too so like I was saying
earlier he was there for everything he
kind of touches base on all those topics
and then there's a you know he he has a
visitation and he reports that in there
and then that box I don't know if you've
seen the Red Violin is kind of told this
way with a box the box actually goes
through history and I wanted the box to
be able to talk to time-travel you know
I really wanted the box of time travel
and the way you time-traveled with this
artifact is hand down the hand down the
hand down hang it down so I have each
of my main character Joel's ancestors
kind of recording what they did with the
box because the question is what would
you do with the box yeah what would you
do with this information so it goes
through history it hits on a lot of
historical figures one one of his yeah
believe it or not I thought my presents
was related to Josephus so that was that
was something I found out while I was
writing the book I thought it was so
yeah so I do have like a family tree in
there for you to kind of see the
relationship of each person it goes
through and then the box actually goes
to prove World War two and in my world
war two section of it the person who
inherits and records as a I wanted to
really focus on Gentile saviors during
World War two and that's you know the
Christians that were I mean a but a lot
of the world turned their backs on the
Jewish people which is just
heartbreaking but there were some
Christians that helped out and so my
character in that era is involved with
some Gentile Savior activity that was
actually true historical facts and that
was like this ancient st. francis of
assisi s was a place where they hid
Jewish people and then I attach on
olanta I don't know if you know who she
is but she's a really great historical
figure who who was in the Warsaw Ghetto
and smuggled babies out of the warsaw
ghetto through through the gates and she
would hide names of the parents and
information about that kid in jars and
bury it so that she could reunite them
with their parents or things yeah yeah
and she was actually up for a Nobel
Prize and they gave it to Al Gore
instead but yeah that's not good right
anyway um I so I wanted to touch on her
because that she was such a she's I
think she saved more people than
Schindler so that was something that I
thought no I can throw that I can put
this stuff in there and it'll be so
fascinating to people and I really do
love that era and then
also just my heart breaks for the Jewish
people and the stuff they've been
through - yeah that's deep um I'm gonna
give a quick shout out to everybody
hanging out in the chatroom right now I
everybody holding us down in the chat
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and also Mackenzie says hi mom
she's my daughter in Ireland in the chat
are you on you watch you have it on
YouTube as well yeah you better see it
after but um one of the cool things as
well we're talking about like telling a
story within a story in these people's
lives represent someone else and stuff
like that um you had a post on um on
Facebook where you're talking about
watching the movie taken and so that
that's powerful I read that that's okay
Kyle just trying to see who you were see
where you were spiritually and things
like that so I read that and one of the
biggest things for me was like when I
started getting into Morningstar
ministries and getting into the
prophetic and hearing God looking for
God speaking he's speaking and
everything all of creation every movie
that I watched was about something I was
going through you know and just crazy
stuff watching The Lord of the Rings and
seeing that's the Holy Spirit this is
you this is your sin you know God just
talking to me well and I can't I
couldn't watch movies normally like
God's just like showing me all of this
stuff and it kind of seemed like
somewhat the kind of same thing happened
to you in the movie taken if you want to
kind of talk about that a little bit I
thought that was a cool story yeah for
sure you know that was my husband hadn't
even watched that movie before and I've
been telling him for nine years because
it's been out for nine years I'm like
dude you have got to watch this movie
with me and of course no father wants to
watch a story about their daughters
being taken and textual okay it's it's
horrific it really is but I felt
compelled to say look this movies on TV
let's watch it again and I tried to
remember why I loved it you know why I
had was drawn to it and again is
violet you saw that in my Facebook post
but in the end when Liam Neeson comes in
to take to rescue his daughter from
these sex traffickers and all the stuff
he went through and he said he walks in
and he gets her and she says oh my gosh
you you came back you came for me you
came for me I can't believe you came for
me I mean it was like an unbelief I
can't believe my dad came for me and he
said I told you I told you I would come
for you and of course this is God the
Father saying I'm coming for you I will
come for you I did come for you and I
was just like this is so powerful it's
such a powerful moment and and it's just
that our story it really is our story
and something it just no just impacted
me so much of course I had to post about
it but I've had that happen to me a
couple other times didn't want me to
tell you about another time yeah totally
I love this yeah okay well I was
actually I started taking the art of
hearing God by John Paul Jackson and and
this was probably about 10 years ago and
during one of the exercises one of the
one of the very first word I got this is
like early first time I ever heard the
prophetic word and this was like just
another level of understanding hearing
from God
somebody said to me God says you're a
real peach and I'm like a real peach you
know I mean my first thought is that's
so old-fashioned what what does he mean
by that I don't really get it I don't
live in Georgia I live in South Carolina
you know I mean you just call my well
that evening I was in the middle of the
class that evening we went to a movie
called the greatest game ever played
have you seen that movie I don't think I
haven't okay it's a golf movie my
husband loves golf
here's the golf movie and I'm like oh
sure I'll go watch this often if you
look at so we're sitting there and in
the first introduction of the movie
there's a character there and someone
says to her you're a real peach is it
set in the 1920s and I was like I have
not heard that
my I mean nobody's ever said that to me
and Here I am but I wanted today and now
it's in this movie yep no spirit said to
me Kelly watch this movie it was made
specifically for you to understand how I
feel about you and that woman the whole
movie she was sticking up for the
underdog she was like the guy you know
it's the father-son thing going on with
you know his dad's like you need a real
job you know that type of thing and the
girl is like you can do this you can you
know it's like she was almost like she
was saying you can do all things through
Christ who strengthens you yeah you can
you can pull this off yeah we're for
greatness you've got to go out there and
do it you've got to do it and you know
encourage err and I was like oh my gosh
I'm weeping for two hours wait yeah
watching this movie they're like what
are you doing so I mean I see God in
everything all of the creation speaks of
gods
yeah for sure it's crazy and in movies
man tell there's something about it I
don't know but um one of the first times
that happened to me I was I stayed home
from work sick wasn't feeling good and
one of the most powerful encounters what
God I've had I was just flipping the
television Judge Judy you know dr. Phil
or whatever was on at the town this is
probably 2003 maybe four and I just I'm
flipping in and I just feel led to stop
on Sesame Street
mmm I stopped on Sesame Street and this
story was about baby bear learning to
skate and he was scared to skate he's
like Papa Bear was gonna teach him and
he said he's like I'm scared I'm gonna
fall down and hurt myself no no no I got
you if you fall I'm gonna catch you when
you fall I'm right behind you don't
worry and the Spirit of God just hit me
is like I'm talking to you this is you
I'm I'm Papa Bear your baby bear and
it's like I'm gonna teach you how to how
to skate and eventually you're gonna be
able to skate on your own you're not
gonna need me to catch you you're not
gonna be worried about falling you're
not gonna be
care to fall and it was just like kept
going on in every little scenario in
that little segment man was God speaking
to me and I'm just sitting there at home
by myself watching Sesame Street all in
my eyes out the Holy Spirit ministering
to my spirit just imparting some truths
in me that uh you know have have have
come to pass you know over my life and
when you get scared or you don't feel
like you can do it or you're not called
or there's other people who can do it
better or whatever don't be scared you
know
and and then starting to see God in that
and seen them and everything and there's
something whenever there's a there's a
quote from a from a guru that says if
you can't see God in all then you can't
see God at all and to be able to see him
and everything in nature and your
friends and and you know every situation
that you go through and even you know
I'm saying even the bad stuff even the
trials in the tribulation that we go
through we got to be able to see the
hand of God in it will be stuck there
will be focused on you know like Peter
and the disciples if it will be focused
on the winds and the waves and sinking
if I step out I'm gonna sink and what am
i doing and I saw sickness I know just
have your eyes fixated upon Jesus you'll
be able to walk on water you'll be able
to do the things that defy your human
nature you know what I'm saying and if
God be for you who can be against you in
knowing all of these scriptures that
empower us to be able to achieve our
destiny and to be able to create and
walk in the spirit and and you know be
set free ourselves but even reach out to
others with the work and the creative
efforts that we have and God can use
what we create to minister to others as
well like your book and like music and
like podcasts and stories and things
like that so it's so beautiful man when
you get with God and you understand he's
speaking and that's part of the whole
prophetic moving in the prophetic is
like God speaking I just got to learn to
hear what he's saying and
and it changed everything for us walking
in the spirit and reading those
materials shoe time we're talking about
we're talking about Morningstar you know
I'm saying Rick Joyner his book the
final quest is is straight allegory it's
these dreams and visions of this battle
in army and demons and Dragons and you
know all of these these different
pictures from like you know the Middle
Ages and stuff and they all represent it
things that people were going through
and I read that and that just took me to
a just to another level in my faith with
God so it's beautiful stuff how the Lord
speaks yeah yeah yeah when you start
walking into you know your your purpose
you're gonna run into so much warfare
it's just ridiculous I mean when I first
started writing this book my husband had
a had a sick was attacked basically a
spiritual attack yeah and God helped us
over comment and we've worked through it
but it slowed me down but again you know
God will redeem the time it's all in
timing but just crazy how the Holy
Spirit will encourage you if you just
take one baby step closer yeah and the
thing I'll tell you to the those movies
if you get if you can get one word I
feel like just one tiny word I've gotten
many in my lifetime but one tiny word
from from God kit will last you a
lifetime yeah just be like you know your
Sesame Street situation is like oh well
you know anytime things are rough you're
like oh now wait God's picking me up
look he's you know he's gonna catch me
you say oh he said he's gonna catch me
you know and like one scripture you know
you have when my husband got sick I'm
like you know what the word says I have
a hope in the future so guess what you
just have to hammer and every time you
get a negative thought in your mind
you're like oh I have a hope in a future
you can't shut up you know it's just you
just have to talk to the hounds of hell
that are standing at the Jordan destiny
yep yeah even man it's it's it's so
weird when you have your mind fixated in
something like writing a book and you
have all this warfare it's almost like
all these reasons eventually come up not
to do it and you know
I think one of the biggest things for me
and for a lot of people is consistency
okay I'm writing this book I have to
keep writing the book okay what happens
if you stop for a year what if what
happens if we stop for six months you
know or if you stop for a week and that
week turns into six months that's that's
kind of how that goes or whatever but
you know be I mean because sometimes you
don't feel like it you know sometimes
you just wake up just not feeling you
don't feel as spiritual as everyone says
you are or even as the Bible says you
are you know you don't feel loved you
don't feel like you're more than a
conqueror and these type of things and
you really have to fight through that
stuff man that crud and stuff and uh you
know bad things happen to good people as
well and there's just life and the rain
falls upon the just and the unjust and
you just got you gotta learn how to get
up and fight against off felt myself
they're just you know yesterday in the
day before the last couple days going
through this weird thing of like wanting
to be inspired and creativity and just
creating so much stuff and in some like
you want that to come from a genuine
place you don't want to force anything I
think your book you don't want to just
okay well I got like two or three
chapters that I just not really feeling
you know I'm saying you want it to be
God breathed all of it and so to stay in
that place of like everything that you
create us is pure coming from a good
place that takes a lot of stuff into it
as far as like keeping your hands clean
and your heart pure and your motives and
emotional life and everything your
family like everything good so that when
I create when when I bless um when I
create something it comes from that that
place of innocence really you know then
and that's you have to fight for that
you really do but it's a worthy battle
yeah yeah it's such a worthy battle
ability is just it's the journey is
exciting and fun and it's daunting and
it's exhausting and and it will wear you
out but when you realize that one day
this too shall pass and that you will
break through one day if you just don't
give up and there's a lot of people that
cheered me on
yawns people who cheered me on but did
you have any opposition from people yeah
any naysayers mostly people you know
people that are closest to you well are
your worst naysayers some of them but
the thing is you know I know one spirit
gave me a perspective on that though -
and it's like you have to have this so
you'll have thick skin Yeah right
your people that are coming against you
when this thing comes out you're gonna
get a plethora of reviews and stuff yeah
yeah so in my opinion that's just like
okay you're some training wheels for you
to figure out you're gonna have some of
those I mean I saw one of my friends who
published a book not long ago he was
doing really really really great and he
got he's like posted on his Facebook
page okay I'm a real writer now cuz I
got a one star review hey hey welcome to
writing you know yeah so but that's a
great approach to it because there's
going to be people that just are not
interested in your topic and maybe they
fall this book might fall into their
hands and they might read it and be like
oh my gosh this is no they're not enough
pros for me there's not enough this or
this doesn't make any sense to me or
whatever guess what the Holy Spirit will
open that book up to the people who will
receive it and I've got you know yeah
plenty of positive stuff but I mean even
people that don't even know they're
being negative I realize to be negative
they're gonna be like oh well wait why
are you trying how can you be a 30 year
old Jewish guy from New York do you see
what I'm saying that's my main character
I'm like okay from New York how can you
get into his mindset well I've read
books that a guy wrote about a teenage
girl that had a overweight problem and I
thought when I finished the book I
didn't even look at the guy's name until
I finished the book and put it down and
I was like oh this is a guy that wrote
this I didn't even realize that yeah
people can do it you know yeah you gotta
um yeah it's good that you go through it
cuz you gotta you have to learn
constructive criticism you know for
enough people are saying something maybe
they have a point - you got to be able
to take you can't you can't just go you
know I'm saying be bullheaded and and
not learn and not grow because God does
use people around us but then there's
those people who just want to be hurtful
you know I'll do that as well like I get
comments and stuff
I'll get comments where people who are
like genuinely asking a question about a
doctrine or about an interview or my
motives behind something and and I'll
take the time to answer them but if I
have someone who's coming and they're
just insulting me and making fun of me
for whatever the case is then I just
don't give them the time of day and
usually just try to you know I'm saying
blocker my silence their voice or
whatever but it you have to you have to
be able to sit to see like you know
where these people are coming from you
know it's not it's not about if but when
it's not if but when my daughter had a
YouTube channel and um man I couldn't
let her see the comments you know
because she had videos that were kidding
like 300,000 views and there's this all
kind of kid just being mean and that
girl is ugly or that kid who's this fat
girl on here and I'm like nah my
daughter is like 11 years old 10 years
old and we're doing this you she can't
get on and read that stuff you know what
I'm saying that all you know I'm saying
devastate people and it does man it
leads people to you know commit suicide
and and how types of weird stuff that's
going on with like I'm saying the
bullying and stuff online but not to put
your face out there not talking you know
I always have I have the theory if I
would not say this to the person's face
I would know you know I'm not gonna say
it on on social media now it took a long
time to get their stuff out and then
delete it you know cuz that that's kind
of the compass if they were here in
first and what I say this to them yeah
yeah you know I lost some good some some
you know I'm saying some good friends to
Facebook arguments and those people not
really me I'll say what I'm going
through but I but those people who is
like out of their characters like wow
you would you would never say that every
time we we meet in person everything's
fine but you get on Facebook and you you
had this you know the scapegoat syndrome
or you're not you know saying you're not
to blame you can just do whatever and I
have to suffer the repercussions of it
and say things and so I've kind of said
I've kind of you know learning to stay
away from that or or like even even I
not be friends with controversial
controversial friends on Facebook just
because I value our relationship in real
life you know what I'm saying so I can't
like have you commenting all over my
stuff and trying to you know take little
shots and stuff you know at me online
there's those people man it is really
weird so you so you do have like I guess
a moral to the story at the end about
second chances forgiveness and things
like that is that kind of played
throughout the story
definitely there's also something we
haven't even really touched upon there's
a lot of levels to the book there's
there's a angel and a demon that kind of
narrates through history as well as the
journal that's time family and since the
angel and demon can be outside of the
story and they they're you know been on
there's there's also a courtroom
throwing room drama that's happening
behind the scenes in the book oh yeah
in the throne room of heaven yeah so
it's with the angel and the demon
narrating there's a lot of interesting
things and I try I with that I tried to
give a little bit of a perspective of
how the angelic realm in the spiritual
realm
there's seeing things that are happening
on earth so if you think about this
present darkness and how that book kind
of was out there it just it's along that
lines but I have an angel that is an
angel you know it's a throne angel which
is like the throne angel is actually on
the cover of the book here it's Harper
the angel okay and he's actually a
sphere but if you if you researched a
little bit of a heavy Rhett Ezekiel he's
that he's also a throne angel with one
of the angels that like brought the
realm of God the Father down in Ezekiel
and like
Ezequiel recorded them as being real in
a wheel like the Seraphim type means
yeah it's not a Sarah from though this
is called a throne and it's a wheel you
know he reverted he thrown angels a type
of angel like I do admit studying I've
never even heard that term really yeah
well groan groan angels are in the
throne room and they call him the mini
ID ones and I've heard people refer to
them as Watchers but uh you know I've
heard people also call watch or
something else so but this throne Angel
is the mini ID one from the Book of
Ezekiel and that's all and he kind of
explains who he is and what he what he
does but what he does is he has eyes all
they have eyes all over their body and
they have an eye on the on the almighty
father in the throne room but he also
they're on assignment for people on
earth so they're part of the angels are
there on assignment so he was on
assignment for my main character Joel
and he also had been on assignment all
the way from anis all the way to Joel so
and then his you know there's also
demons that are assigned to people okay
so you've got familiar spirits you've
got that aspect of it and that character
in the book guy named Mark it may RQ
which is like means bitter though you
got a demon of bitterness that's
following it's a familiar spirit that's
following this family all the way
through history too and so I have little
commentary of the angel and the demon to
kind of give the overall time travel
aspect of it some perspective because
the angel and the demon knows every
character as it's going through time so
they get a little perspective on each
character through time to and what was
happening behind the scenes in the
spiritual realm yeah yeah that's the
supernatural aspect of the story and
yeah it's very redeeming I go into a
little bit of you know some of the
theory of the difference between fallen
angels the Nephilim and demons versus
fallen angels the difference between the
two of those and I have my big the demon
character explains that very clearly so
there's some of that
there which is fun I mean it's all fun
interesting stuff that people that are
hungry for guys you know what it's kind
of funny you said that because I did a
Facebook post I posted something about
spirits or whatever in this guy said
that they're all demons right and
another guy came in and said okay that
it's saying that they're all demons
it's like saying like calling all of
this people group just this one generic
name when there's a lot of different
types or whatever is like you're saying
that's really cool you're kind of
touching on that a little bit talking
about like the Fallen Angels the
Nephilim the Watchers you know all the
end it and there's so many unclean
spirits familiar spirits like kind of
going into that so I'm really into all
that stuff that's what I'm riding on
right now for my mama
book it's really good different theories
of thought you know there's there's a
couple of lines of theories of thought
on the whole thing but that you know
when you're writing fiction you have to
choose this you got to choose one that
that makes sense in your story yeah and
you want to try it in like from a
Christian perspective you probably have
to question yourself too he's like okay
is this biblical can I prove it like is
this doctrinal okay I'm good you know
saying make it sure I'm pretty sure
that's like behind you is a little bit
to try while you're writing all the
criticism right like I think that's the
most criticism you'll get is from the
religious community to you well in this
it's like okay you have fallen angels
right they came to earth Genesis 6 and
were with women and the Nephilim were
created well the theory might what I
fear II I went with in the book is that
after the flood all of the flesh was
destroyed in the flood but the spirit
still remained so the flesh of the
Nephilim was half fallen angel and half
human right so the fallen angel aspect
of it is still around and that's the
demonic so there's a difference between
fallen angels and demons and so and then
my demon has the father and his father
is is a fallen angel and they all report
you know all the Fallen Angels report to
/ and then of course all the demons
report to fallen angels because they're
all related you have this like kind of
forming up the ranking and a hierarchy
of all those yeah yeah that's the other
thing with my angel that I used I wanted
the like I didn't want I want to use an
angel that people had didn't know much
about
yeah I understand much about and it was
right around the time when digital
cameras were coming out this is so funny
and you know you'd see all the orbs and
the photos do you remember that era
mm-hmm
like it's they doesn't show up on an
iPhone at all but there were all these
little orbs yeah and all I would be at
conferences and I take pictures in
there'd be like all these arms image
yeah what is that you know those are
angels oh no it's dust
no that's this no that's that so it
started I kinda went a little bit off of
that for the story and then when I
really fell in love with this thrown
angel aspect with the eyes inside the
eyes and the hooves and then you know
one of my when when my daughter said one
of her friends said why is there a snake
oh yeah that's what that's what my wife
would say she's got a snitch or watch
she's a Harry Potter fan you know that's
an angel yeah so a lot of this stuff
that I mean I know we're talking about
the prophetic we're talking about the
Bible and moving in the spirit so a lot
of this stuff kind of comes because you
know before we went live you would say
that a lot of your experiences are kind
of meshed through the experiences of the
book right even though it's not about
you
a lot of personal encounters are kind of
embodied and solidified through those
people have you have you had those type
of encounters with with with angels I
know you just mentioned like the orbs
and stuff like that boom into that I
have had one I have had one encounter
with an angel and it was in the dream
but it was so real I thought it was real
your this is one of those times where I
was really very encouraged it was about
a week before my husband he had his it
was a hard situation which he survived
and he lived and did not die and
declares the works of the Lord now but
anyway um
so I had this dream I was in a church
and there was an angel that was like
four stories tall a blue angel huge at
the front of the church and the minute I
saw him I was like down on my knees with
my face hidden in this dream and I was
like trembling
I mean trembling and my whole body was
trembling and I was so scared
and then the next scene it breaks - is
me sitting on a bench right out inside
of the church sitting next to my husband
and I said to him did you see that huge
blue angel in the church did you see him
and she and he said yeah I saw him I
shook hands with them and I said oh my
gosh you're so brave you're so brave and
then so I'm that was a week before this
happened with my husband and this is I
talk about dreams in this book ooh
that's deep yeah so when that happened
with my husband and I'm in ICU okay
there's a lot of spiritual things that
happen at the initial time that I can
talk about that but when I'm inside I
see you I'm I'm holding his hand and
he's in ICU and the nurse has just told
me not to bring my daughter in who is
like 11 at the time you know don't bring
her in here you don't you don't want
this to be the last thing she sees if
her dad and I'm like do not speak death
over my husband lady do not do it you
know you gotta repeat that stuff anyway
so I'm in ICU I'm holding his hand and I
looked at the sheet that is covering him
in the ICU and all around the edge of
the sheet it says Angelica and jelly in
blue Wow and I have an immediate
flashback to that dream and there I was
sitting on the bench with my husband and
he said oh I shook hands with it and I
was like oh my gosh you survived you're
so great oh my gosh that is a word of
the Lord for encourage that there's this
too will pass
and he's lived through this I mean the
encouragement is amazing that you can
get from dreams but that's my one and
angel encounter that's awesome it's
almost like in the dream state you saw
like this uh this up not a pact but an
agreement that was made I guess I'm
ready to go down
do this I'm ready to you know to
experience this and you've seen this
agreement but didn't know what it was
and you know the build character and the
kind of the things that we go through
with that stuff and so it's a it's
interesting you say you've had one angel
encounter
how many demonic encounters have you had
usually the number is like way more
usually you know well I did have a
demonic encounter in a dream too most of
the stuff that I've had I have had other
angel dreams but that was like just my
most powerful and yeah one that kind of
translated over into the real world yeah
I did have a demonic thing where I
literally had like this huge vulture
that was like it filled my entire
bedroom
well I have the entire better and that
was on my face wow I could feel in my
dream and I woke up feeling it like
physically feeling it like it's Talyn
had scratched my nose mmm and I was like
dang I got something in here you know I
didn't think gotta go and of course you
know you rebuke it you use the word of
God like a sworn in tell it to leave the
name of Jesus then but that's one and
then you know like brown room
experiences that I've had which my my
main character has a little bit of that
is just the experience of during the
soaking prayer situation I had this like
purple being flowing thing over that was
just coming kept coming and coming
anytime in this purple like layers and
layers and layers and layers and layers
and this is in the book too and I asked
the Holy Spirit I mean it it's like
you're there for two hours but you're
anyway I I came you know I mean I was
conscious that I could see this you know
what I mean and I asked always fair what
is this and because that's the train in
my robe in the throne room you're in the
throne room and then I also have this
this place I go to whenever I get really
scared in the throne room and I just
really do this
I want to say in my spirit mind's eye so
in in my heart of hearts when I'm in
this resting place with the Lord is like
climb up into the lap of the Father and
I have always been enamored by the fact
that he has oil dripping from his beard
right and so like I'm this little kid on
his lap like grinding my fingers through
this bearded bit like oil is dripping
all over my hands and down and I'm just
like hey this isn't this is great but
it's a great it's a great wonderful way
to be able to interact with the
supernatural when you realize you can do
it you know yeah yeah that's awesome you
mentioned the birds too as far as like
being a demonic encounter obviously it
stands for both because we have the
Eagle being you know prophetic and the
Lord you know being to talk about the
eagle's wings and hiding under the
shelter and things like that but um a
lot there's there's specific scriptures
where these unclean birds or these
speckled birds and things like that
represent demonic attacks and in the
Bible so it's really interesting why you
had that encounter as well
yeah I've been doing a Bible study we we
meet like every week for like 13 years
we've been doing this Bible study at
Barnes & Noble and it's all we do we
read the word but we also help people
with dreams so I really do those
symbolic nature of dreams was an
important aspect that I wanted to put in
there because there's a lot of people
who just don't think that you're from
God in a dream they think it's pizza or
whatever I don't agree with all right I
think you got to ask the Holy Spirit is
something I have to pay attention to
yeah and my rule of thumb on that is
that you know if you remember it and
it's significant then you need to press
in and out God what you have got to do
that yeah did you it did you end up here
in the episode that I did with Laney
dolphin about I'll check it out and mob
I had so many questions and my mom was
blown the entire time it was beautiful
it was a good episode we just did it
probably three weeks ago or so but that
was one of the best episodes that I've
done probably whoever I'll say recently
but probably ever that was a really good
show and yeah she goes into dream
interpretation but that she's she she
she knows her stuff dealing about the
site you don't and a psychology and you
know just the symbols of people
representing like we're talking about
the stories you know this person
represents that or this person you
haven't seen in 10 years shows up in
your dream and you know it's not about
that beam you wanna you know you wanna
start praying for that person and why
did I see let me pray for him but you
know I'm saying like if you get to the
interpretation that that person probably
represents something that happened to
you 10 years ago or you know the the way
that you felt 10 years ago you felt like
you didn't have any responsibility and
you felt freer and you're just an insane
well you know you can in a movie when
you feel the Holy Spirit in a movie you
need to be saying hey what are you
trying to tell me here
I gotta know what you know what does
this mean for me you know like all of
creation speaks of God's glory so yes
there's dreams in the Bible they and all
the ancient people knew how to interpret
dreams you know you think about that
that all Joseph's brother even the mom
and the dad knew what was three meant
yeah thank you it and like people
nowadays they don't know what dreams
mean because somehow were teaching of
how to interpret from dreams from God
somehow fell by the wayside and they
didn't pass on to their children but I
really do believe that just like Joseph
and Mary and Solomon and all those
people and in the Bible they heard from
God and dreams very clearly and people
really do need to have the Holy Spirit
to help them interpret so yeah he uses
everything man so why wouldn't he use
dreams in it there's some really key
scriptures in the Bible that would just
blow your mind about dreams and yeah you
know that's when God speaks to you is
when you get silent and you can't run
from that either that's the whole thing
about you know I like this it kind of
goes to the Scriptures talking about a
you know not not letting the Sun go down
on your anger
you're gonna deal with it in the dream
realm the god you can't run from God you
can lie to people and tried a lot of God
but everybody has to put their head on
their pillow at you no I'm saying at the
end of the night and you have to deal
with God there in those dream states and
stuff and so really interesting
information that comes through about
your life and about destiny and things
like that prophetically what to do
really interesting stuff so that's
awesome you incorporated that in the
book let people know where they can
check the book out I know it's going to
be on all the digital platforms and
things like that in audio form as well
pretty soon but let them know where they
can go ahead and check it out yeah well
so I have a website
Kelly Fitzgerald Fowler calm and that
has a lot of information in there you
can actually go there and read the first
three chapters and I think you can
actually listen to the audiobook of the
first chapter I have an audio book that
will come out on 11:11 and Romans 11:11
and my audio book reader is James Ellroy
Bart who is a New York Times best seller
and yes that is amazing I think people
are really gonna love that and I I
wanted to really reach people in every
medium that they ever wanted because I
hear a lot of people be like oh I don't
read books I it's just a sneaky one but
I have an audio version of it I have a
Kindle version of it and I have a
hardback and I have a paperback so they
will be available in both stores also
they will be on audible yes
and it will be but you can order it on
Amazon also and you can get there either
through my website or directly to Amazon
and just you know look up over my dead
body a supernatural novel because there
are other behind oddbody books out there
but yeah if you put in Fitzgerald and
over my dead body it'll come up too but
yeah you can find it all there and then
like I said on and actually it's gonna
be internationally distributed you know
all worldwide so it's on all the Amazon
websites as well as bookstores and other
countries will be able to have access to
it as well awesome didn't you say that
um it was like a I don't know if it was
a best-seller but it was one of it I get
like like to know one it's a number
version of it is out for about two weeks
it's the number one new release for
biblical fiction so yeah you can
actually right now for a limited time
you can get the Kindle for $2.99
so if you're a Kindle reader you can
really get a bargain $2.99 and then the
paperback is $15.99 and unfortunately
the hardback 29.99 but it's ridiculous
to print forgot so I haven't figured out
how odd it all works on pricing yet
because I'm still waiting for the very
last chapter for when it's available
I'll definitely above you know plug it
through my audible affiliate link so I
always have books that blog and stuff so
yeah we definitely plug that and stuff
always plug always flug the final quest
and the alchemist those were like the
two books that have really changed my
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stars well yeah i don't know if you've
ever read arm you may all prophesy by
steve thompson at a morning star
that's a great that's a great read too
awesome well I appreciate you coming on
I've enjoyed this conversation and I
will have to do it again soon let me
know when you have something else so
you'd like to come back on and we'll do
it again okay I appreciate it thank you
so much okay I think you would talk too
soon all right bye-bye
Kelly Fitzgerald ladies and gentlemen
enjoyed it it's really cool
we move in some of the same circles
Morningstar and the prophetic and stuff
like it's really cool I haven't I
haven't really had too many people and
that um dealing the prophetic from like
a Christian perspective and stuff you
know we deal with a lot of people who
are psychics and mediums and things like
that so to have someone on from a
Christian perspective really cool to
maybe I should start getting more of
those people on because I know there's
websites like the Elisha list and a lot
of people who are into the prophetic and
stuff there so maybe I'll reach out to
some of those people only thing is like
a lot of times dealing with what's
Christians like sometimes they're kind
of closed-minded and they don't really
want to address some of the bigger
things or especially some of the things
that I might address or whatever the
case is um so they you know they have
their own doctrines or whatever so it
was really cool that was able to connect
and and she's into a lot of really cool
stuff it's awesome the power of myths
the power of telling stories and
embedding your own story within a story
wheel within a wheel you know what I'm
saying it just everything is symbolic
everything represents you everything is
an extension of you understanding that
and putting that in your music well I
don't put it in my music my stuff's
first-person but I'm thinking of p OD
just put out an album that kind of lost
a lot of people I think it's called the
awakening but it told us story of a guy
going through an awakening and a guy
dealing with the New World Order and the
Illuminati and stuff and for me I didn't
really it didn't resonate with me
because I wanted to hear his his music
from from his perspective his
spirituality his journey his cries to
God prays and all that kind of stuff but
then the more as I'm listening to it I'm
like hold on he's even though this is
someone someone else's story and he's
able to kind of go deep and reveal some
things that maybe he Sonny from p OD
couldn't reveal he's able to reveal
through this character and and you know
writing about the allegory in these
metaphors and situations those are his
own personal things that he's been
through so it got really interesting
once I understood that
and reading the Bible the final quest
all of this stuff man every probably
everything ever it has to come out of
somewhere like it comes from experience
it comes from the imagination even if
you pull it out of the imagination like
that person was formed from something
you've been through or something you've
thought about I mean I wouldn't go as
this far but Jacque fresco rest his soul
is a awesome man with the Venus Project
but he he talks about like you don't
have any original thoughts that
everything it's from influence from
television or things that you've heard
as a child and things like that he goes
as far as just to say that I don't
necessarily believe that you don't have
anything that's original but I know
we've all been influenced and I know you
know we pick up on on things even even
subconsciously man when it comes to
music writing music writing lyrics I
have people I've heard my lyrics on
other people's music and I'm like hey
man at least give me a plug or a
shout-out or something you know
but then again subconsciously it's like
a rhyming scheme or something that that
I heard in someone else a song and then
the lyrics that I've heard and all this
kind of stuff people could be doing it
like oh that was good let me write that
down let me take notes this is the way
he did it but then again subconsciously
he's sitting down to write and maybe
that's just what he remembered that
cadence and those lyrics together and
just as something that innocent gets
turned into almost gets plagiarized but
you have to figure out like where did it
start with who was the person who had
that original thought you know so
everything we're all being influenced by
movies media the dream state and all
that stuff it all comes out through if
we're creators man when we create stuff
and that's the expression of of us being
made in the image and likeness of a
Creator God right we create
what what do you create hopefully it's
something cool hopefully it's something
beautiful um that can help people that
will inspire people versus something
that's gonna tear people down and
condemn people and things like that
create something that's gonna everything
is an expression of God I even even the
negative stuff like you know I'm saying
you you you are the expression of God
made in that image and even if you
create something bad like everything but
and just to understand it we're talking
about being able to see God in all right
that's part of it being able to see
God's hand and all of creation even the
things that you create you reflect your
father you're just like your dad he's
the Creator too you know he created
everything you see those clouds you've
feel the wind the rain the grass all of
these beautiful mountains your dad
created that you're just like your
father always creating always up to
something you know that I'm just
overwhelmed by it but by that expression
and everything that we see in creating
so creating with God with the heart of
God with the mind of God versus working
against God because the Bible also talks
about like people coming up with new
ideas on different ways to sin in
different ways to fight against God and
these weird imaginations and vain
imaginations that go against what is
beautiful what is it just what is lovely
you know what is pure it goes against
that and so you can be you know a
recipient of that you can be a creator
of negative stuff and demonic stuff or
whatever the case is in in the video I
just put out about Christ consciousness
I was talking about the renewed mind and
walking in the spirit and so that we
create and so that we we build the mind
is powerful anything like anything that
I put my mind to I can achieve that's
why we have to do it with the renewed
mind because the mind is powerful
sometimes you go years man doing that
and kind of building stuff and working
in the wrong direction of building big
empires ministries businesses whatever
the cases relationships building upon if
nation that is not the foundation of
Christ which is that you know that of
love that of which is is the most
beautiful thing ever right and you start
working against the call of God for your
life or your building out of bitterness
I've been there I've been offended and
been wronged and been in a place where
you know people give up on you and
you're nobody and things like that and
you said I'm gonna show you and you kind
of work out of the ambition if I'm going
to show you so anything you put your
mind to you can do the mind is powerful
but you're doing it for the wrong
reasons and so if you're a child of God
he's gonna correct you maybe he'll use
it you know I know he uses all things
for his glory whatever you can see his
hand in that I've definitely seen it
over the years but I've been there I've
wasted a lot of money made a lot of
logos you know a lot of different things
that are you know trying to whether it's
make a name for myself or do it do do it
out of selfish ambition which is done
the scripture says do nothing out of
selfish ambition or selfish game so
that's what it comes down to as far as
walking in the spirit and having your
hands clean in your heart pure you
you're good if you if you're creating
out of that I think you're good I mean
why create a monument as well of just
like the bad stuff you know what I'm
saying like creating out of the bad
stuff that's happened to you or these
negative emotions and stuff sometimes it
helps people to vent right I like to
kind of think my music helps people
connect with the father connect with God
but there's other other stuff that helps
you connect and vent with those negative
emotions the music we've talked about it
on the live podcast that I did at the
festival like you know dealing with
those emotions or being able to find a
way to articulate those emotions through
art right you want to have all of it
within there so you know that's cool
so I'm uh I see a kelly is joining us as
well in the in the YouTube chat section
shoutout to her she just subscribed to
the channel you know I'll just vocalize
this for people who can't who are
listening on the podcast in but someone
was asking it was a Kris garner was
asking about the S scenes want to know
if she mentioned the s scenes in the
book it and so Kelly's mention here that
uh no s scenes Kris so Noah scenes
mentioned there it seems a really cool
good thing to get into so yeah I enjoyed
this episode if anybody has any guests
that you would like for me to interview
I do have some openings if you yourself
would like to come on the show send me
an email let me know and we'll try to
make it happen I do have some really
cool guests lined up and it's been
really fun so trying to stay just stay
motivated for everything but with the
music and the podcast but everything has
to kind of flow out of that place of
innocence I don't want to like you know
doing podcast with people that it I
enjoy interesting conversation but you
want to do it because you enjoy it you
know and so you have to kind of prophesy
over yourself to kind of get yourself
out of that rut i prophesy over
everything right and such speaking words
of encouragement con words and kind of
remember why you started it and so even
with the podcast sometimes it goes back
to that like you know remember why this
is fun remember why you're doing it to
reach people those kind of things and
you always have to check yourself daily
daily to make sure that you're in the
faith daily to make sure that your
motives are pure so that's what it's
about for me and I have to have to heat
my own words as well it's not just all
fun and games all the time sometimes we
go through depression and warfare
sometimes we get tired you know things
like that and even with the music for me
I don't want to force anything I have so
we talked to King James he was on the
last podcast and that Joker he's giving
me books of because I hit writer's block
we did an album together that jokah had
like seven songs done and just gave them
to me and I'm like I'm gonna write seven
verses Wow sometimes it takes me a week
to write one verse like that kind of you
know thank you so it's kind of over
or whatever and you don't want to just
throw a verse together that sucks you
don't want to just put something out
that doesn't have a piece of you in it
so everything has to kind of flow out of
a pure place everything that I do I
don't you know we talked about it
talking about religion dealing with the
holy spirit like religion for the sake
of religion is one of the most nastiest
things on the planet we're talking about
the Pharisees and the character even in
her book and a nice that she's speaking
of the priests like when you get into
religion for the sake of religion and
this is we just know how to do
Christianity or we know how to do a
religion or we know how to do
spirituality you know and it's not
god-breathed that it's not you know
hearing from the Holy Spirit and
fellowship and with God it's nasty
anything especially when it's dealing
with divinity or God and it moves into
tricks you have to learn how to
manipulate people learn how to get
people to give and get people to donate
and to fund your message versus just you
know bringing the truths bringing the
Word of God or whatever and then having
them compelled to give because they
believe in your your work or they
believe in the message versus like God
is gonna punish you if you don't give to
me like Wow get into all that kind of
stuff so it gets into weird stuff maybe
I'll do a an episode why just go in on
tithing or you know maybe it won't be a
whole podcast well maybe I'll just make
a video on it cuz there's been a lot of
questions here lately
even in our discord community about
giving and tithing and things like that
and so you know I've seen a lot of
breakthrough in my life and in the lives
of some of my close friends like that
was for some people that was the thing
that fueled their awakening was the
understanding the ties like they came
out of church and they just believed
what the pastor said and upon further
study the Bible says other things and so
it kind of you know there's different
things that wake different people up you
know when I was younger going to work I
would eventually uh my alarm wouldn't
wake me up anymore I would be so deep in
sleep that my alarm would just be
incorporated through my dream or in my
dream I would
here's the alarm and I would wake up and
be getting dressed in my dream 30
minutes have gone by and I'm still
sleeping with the alarm going off and
alarm just incorporates herself in my
dream eventually I had to set my alarm
and my cell phone so I had two alarms
and that second tone woke me up in the
mornings and I would just jump out of
bed so it takes different things to wake
different people up some people are you
know wake up through conspiracy research
some people do Flat Earth research and
Alex Jones and things like that some
people to cut find the inconsistencies
within the Bible or the inconsistencies
within the church or whatever the case
is it takes different things man but
once we are awake the Bible sucks about
in Romans it's high time to awaken out
of sleep you know what I'm saying it's
time for us to wake up and it takes
different things to wake people up so
whatever it is you know it's a part of
it and so we would just just kind of
reaching out to people and uh just
trying to be there Christie Philips love
everything you do I know you're one of
my soul child members you're helping me
integrate many crazy sounding beliefs
I'm having during my awakening one of
few helping me many things hey it's a
blessing it's a blessing for me it's a
pain it's it's just it's just a pea
forward thing right whether it's my
music or whether it's the podcasts all
of this goes back to I you have to keep
telling yourself obviously it's going to
mold and it's going to evolve into other
things but the reason I started this
podcast essentially was for two reasons
one reason I started podcasting was the
fact that when I was driving a truck I
would have hours a day that I would be
on the phone with friends and sometimes
we would be on you know three-way
calling and we were turning into six way
caller we'd have six people on the phone
and we'd be on the phone for like I'd
keep him on the phone long as I could
because I'd have four hour drives ahead
of me and stuff like that and it was
just help the time to pass by but we
would have some really deep
conversations about spirituality about
God about experiences with all these
people on the phone and we you know
remember just
saying like man I wish we could record
these and like let people listen to them
it's like yeah that'd be all so we need
to do that so I looked into doing it you
know I would call a third party I'll
call some type of conference call that
recorded it and we'd save them and stuff
and insults like you know let's just
turn this into a show have everybody
call in you know and we did other people
call in who we don't know and people who
have things like that so that's kind of
where the podcast started and in its
infancy back in like 2010 right started
doing that with brothers and then it
evolved and then so once I was going
through my awakening I was having crazy
encounters she's talking Kristi's
talking about crazy experiences like I
didn't have nobody I'm in the Bible Belt
and I'm like seeing UFOs and angels and
finding all kind of crazy stuff in the
Bible and all kinds of stuff and I
didn't have nobody to talk to I can't
talk about this here you know I've tried
to get you you know nowhere quick so I
would go online and I would find other
podcasts or fine youtubers or whatever
the cases who talked about this stuff
openly and if they wasn't talking about
it or they didn't have a phone number
provided I'd be going mad and I was
going crazy like me I need somebody to
talk to
what does this mean you know I feel like
UFOs are communicating with me I see a
ship and it's telling me hey look at me
blinking at me then it flies off like
you know who you talk to the pastor
they're gonna rebuke it pray against it
you could try that you know if it
doesn't leave then what you know and
what if it's God what if it's him you
know so we need people to talk to
discuss this stuff and the big place
that it comes out of is being authentic
so that's why I really started this show
just to have people have what people
needed someone to talk to we're
discussing these issues that you know
have gotten me ridiculed or in the past
or whatever you're doing a show on this
or what kind of drugs are you on what
kind of things that you've seen what you
see in a UFO communicating with you
I want what you're smoking those weird
little comments and stuff but comes back
in the end as long as you're consistent
you're being authentic and doing it for
the right reasons and you're in the will
of god guess what God does he blesses it
and he breathes upon it and that's what
he's done with this podcast and I want
to be a good steward of
that I don't want to just do it for the
sake of this is what I do you don't I'm
saying so that's where it is and you
guys get to hear about the inward plight
because you're going through it too and
the way I get through it it's the same
way you get through it and the way the
Israelites got through it you got to get
through it the same way you're gonna
deal with your golden golden calf so
you're gonna deal with your Goliath
you're gonna deal with your idolatry and
demons and warfare all that stuff
nobody's exempt that's the good thing
this stuff people resonate with it when
someone does a you know somebody puts
out a song on a radio that's talking
about her take and betrayal and lovers
cheating on me and I want love music
everybody experiences these emotions and
so they're putting out stuff that
everybody can resonate with this is a
little bit more fine tuned because we go
into the esoteric and some of the stuff
that people are not talking about and we
find out that people want to talk about
it or they're experiencing it so it
helps people that way so just understand
that when you're when you're open and
honest you find out that there's more
people feel the same way no matter what
it is like there is a genre there's a
niche for anything anything you're like
there's churches for anything there's
anything everything's out there
everything so you just got to know what
you're called to do play your part and
be open and honest don't hide anything
and uh got a bless it I really believe
it Kelly says you're you are authentic I
appreciate your calling Amen thank you
Kelly you was a great guest and we'll
have to have have you back on again talk
about some more experiences and and
stuff so Kris garner says and that is
the core while we follow this podcast
there are so many of us that need to
discuss these things blessings yeah it's
about our it's about community for me
you know taking away your excuse it and
I don't have nobody to talk to nobody
believes the way I believe nobody's been
through this oh you're lying I know a
whole bunch of people and they're open
to talk about it and we have community
so we take that away from people we have
our discord community that we meet like
all the time we just hang out and talk
and encourage and pray and all that kind
of stuff man whatever you're going
through so if you need community it's
there the link is in the description you
can get it on your phone you can get it
on your computer I'm in there all the
time hanging out with the community and
stuff so reading the chat
you know you're working through ideas
and things and doctrines for some people
you know it exists for different things
for different and different reasons for
different people so Christie says I saw
an angelic being in light particles
manifests spoke to me telepathically and
activated my DNA codes changed my life
in 2014 amazing thanks for your response
you were awesome many times over ha
that's awesome
that's a beautiful encounter and like
Kelly was saying it only takes one and I
want I wanted to kind of go through that
idea a little bit more with her but I
didn't but it only takes one and I have
an episode where it's called how many
angelic experiences how many encounters
do you need do you need 10 do you know
how many angelic how many of those
experiences in 2014 does it take
probably one to shift your life in this
type of area but once you start getting
into some of those things are having
these encounters and stuff and like but
literally how many books does it take
how many movies how many times does the
holy spirit have to speak to you until
you take him at his word and say you
know what something's going on let me go
ahead and respond to this and we look at
the Israelites how many times had to
take down like God was always dealing
with them with supernatural means and
encounters same way with us and so you
have those encounters and just I really
believe it only takes one now saying it
only takes one I've had many and that's
I try to say I try to keep that as at a
place of innocence you know I've been a
part of circles in the past where we
want a sign the Bible says a wicked and
perverse generation seeks after a sign
you know I'm saying seek Him and science
follow they really do but when you start
seek start seeking after signs and
wonders and stuff and that becomes what
you're seeking and not God you kind of
run into a problem but if you're seeking
God and he leads you to this stuff then
it's all pure to the pure all things are
pure if you're seeking the father he
leads you to UFOs he leads you to
angelic encounters he leads you to
exorcisms he leads you to the Book of
Enoch whatever it is it's all birthed
out of that place versus like you're
seeking out this stuff when you're
seeking out stuff that you should maybe
shouldn't are you're looking into other
ideas outside of God
that's another thing you know we have to
be careful with that even though we we
have the Liberty to look into whatever
we want but if we're following the Holy
Spirit and he leads you to that that's a
whole nother ballgame whole nother
ballgame he's got you he'll lead you and
guide you into all truth that's where
you'll be protected that's where your
mind will be blown Jeremiah 33:3 called
to me I'll show you great and mighty
things that you don't know and find out
it gets deep I believe that God can show
you things that he hasn't shown anyone
ever that's the God we serve
like I really believe that like how do
you mean that that's kind of an arrogant
statement to like what do you mean the
church fathers and bah-bah-bah these
people I think you know I really believe
it I've seen a lot of stuff and ain't
nobody talking about this stuff so I
know 100% that it's like that not just
for me I'm not special but you can draw
away into your prayer closet and go and
meet with the father and he'll whisper
things in your ear and show you
different things about life in the
universe and your call that he hasn't
never shown anyone I believe that I
whatever that sound however that messes
with here's your theology the Bible says
that plainly many times over that he'll
show you things he's never shown anyone
that's deep that's encouraging
that's encouraging to draw away but you
don't want to do you don't want to draw
away to do that but that's one of his
benefits the Bible says forgetting had
his benefits the part of drawing away is
just to be with him to be with the
father his presence be let to know that
you're not alone to spend time with your
Creator that's that's the motivation but
out of that flows everything everything
flows out of that everything your job
your promotion
your career your fiance your lover you
know your husband whoever whatever
you're trying to do go there get into
those secret places with God meditation
prayer worship and all this pure I'm
telling you that's where those things
are burst it's not birth anywhere it's
not birth out of conference you can go
to conferences and get it get excited
and get impartation and things like that
but
when you leave that conference you have
to go back to the wedding chamber of the
most high you have to get with him get
with your father and everything will
work out so we're supposed to do
Chris garner says inside joke 1,001 ways
to make eggs yep
that'd be awesome if you started doing
videos about making eggs bro it's an
inside joke on discord eric says I'm not
as active in the community as I could be
but it is a great one yeah yeah hey when
it's time man when you need somebody
were there somebody's always there 2 in
the morning 3:00 in the morning
somebody's there always I love you guys
I'm gonna go ahead end it there
for those of you who would like to come
we do have a another concert coming up
it's gonna be November the 2nd in Mobile
Alabama this is gonna be at the same
place it was last time it's gonna be at
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Caldwell will be there tempest of Eden
will be spinning in between playing
music some EDM and good good good music
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