What Is Intuition? How Do I Use It? | Kim Chestney | TruthSeekah Podcast
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is kim chesney kim welcome to the true
secret podcast my friend how are you
um i'm great i'm so happy to be here
thanks for having me
awesome awesome so we're going to be
talking about
following following your intuition
and and what that looks like and uh
especially in a world and i'm going back
and reading your bio you know it's just
fitting for
today like you know everybody wants you
to follow
a narrative or a story or a truth even
follow my truth i have found the truth
follow me and everybody wants our
attention and wants us to follow them
we're trying to get followers on
social media but uh but we can follow
our intuition and you wrote a book about
that and that's just your whole
dig and so let's get into it a little
bit but first before we get started just
kind of give everybody an overview who
don't know who you are what you bring to
the table just kind of say hello that
kind of thing
yeah yeah hi everybody um yeah like i
said i'm so happy to be here thank you
for
including me in this really cool message
that you put out
um and the intuition is so deeply a part
of all of the mystical process but also
part of the practical process of
everyday life so
it's really been my life's mission to
understand intuition and this
inner wisdom and this inner guidance
that drives all of us i wrote a book
just came out ironically on
election day uh or maybe not ironically
maybe actually uh very meaningfully
on election day that really focuses on
this idea of radical intuition which is
this
radical turning to ourselves over the
world and really making that shift
to honor that truth within us instead of
all of this nonsense and chaos and
craziness
that's fighting for the attention around
us um
now what about for all the chaos and the
stuff around us like
i'm sure if you talk to those people
they would tell you that yes
they follow their intuition and their
truth and it has led them
to what we call chaos and confusion
you know but they say that they're on
their life's purpose and pass and all
path and all that kind of stuff
yeah you know and for for a long time
that thought kept me up at night because
you know that really is a reality that
we're dealing with right now i mean but
behind all that the truth is singular we
there is all a singular truth and love
that exists above and beyond all of our
different individual
perceptions of reality and our different
places on our path
um and and though we all are following
our truth in our own way first of all
some people
may be confusing what their truth is for
something else
so there's that in some people in other
people we have to realize that you know
we are all in different places on our
journey so there is room for different
perspectives there is room for
um to accept each other for having
different ideas and being in different
places you know to an extent you know
not to the kind of extent that we saw
yesterday
but to an extent right so so we have to
have that sense of
appreciation because uh the path to
truth isn't linear
it's sort of it's more circular you know
we're all coming at it from different
directions
really it doesn't matter how we get
there as long as we ultimately end up in
that same place
and you say that that's that that love
acceptance
joy bliss and all of that right
what does that look like um you know for
someone to follow their intuition what i
mean what does it look like is it just
like
is it following your imagination is it
following that
that inner gut voice that you know the
inner dialogue that we have with
ourselves and all the great philosophers
and everyone who
has that inner dialogue and communing
with it some people would call it god
some people would call it the holy
spirit and those kind of things is it
all
the same thing yeah it's all of that and
those are the you just summarize so many
different aspects of intuition and
impranza yogananda really really summed
it all up when he said that intuition is
the soul's power of knowing god
so whatever word used for god whether
it's the universe or source or whatever
intuition is our connection to that it
is our connection to
all that is above and beyond and higher
whether it's
insight whether it's inspiration or
creativity or knowledge or wisdom
our intuition is this direct connection
that our mind can't get there we can't
get there by thinking and rationalizing
our way there we'll never get there that
way
the only way that we can truly have
those experiences
is to turn into that sacred place of
intuition
now how did all this get started for you
like how did you know that this was
something
and it became real and started revealing
itself to you and then you go a little
bit deeper down and deeper down and know
those kind of things
like how did this start for you yeah and
you know i think i've
i think you know first of all i just
want to practice saying everybody has
intuition everybody in the world has
intermission we all just have different
ways of getting to know it and for me
from a very young age i think i had a
calling to do this work i was
always very much aligned with psychic
experiences
as a child and i'm very creative i'm an
artist so i think i was just very
naturally open
and very intuitive to begin with and and
from that grew this curiosity and this
um really mission to understand it
because i grew up in a
family that was was not really intuitive
supportive you know they were very much
uh you know like you have to go to
school and you have to be smart and
responsible and all that stuff which is
wonderful
but there's this other side of our minds
this creative intuitive side of our
minds that really has ability to
experience different dimensions of life
that people might say aren't real
but once you've experienced them you
know they're real and i think you know i
you know i know enough about your work
to know that you know they're real
and once you have those kind of
experiences what you have to do is
understand them you have to make sense
of them in a very real way
so at a young age i i really started to
become
really interested in learning about how
this sort of mystical processes work
how they applied to life in a very
no-nonsense way you know i didn't
i was tired of being marginalized as is
something you know
occult or weird or spooky or scary and
really understanding that it's that's
something that we all have and it's part
of our lives and it's not something to
be afraid of
yeah yeah that's huge i mean again you
use that word occult like a lot of
people
come at me and say hey man what do you
mean when you talk about the occult and
the things that's like it's just that
which is hidden
and because it's hidden within the
darkness as far as you haven't
encountered it yet yes your intuition
yes your
deep mystical relationship with yourself
and with god and with all creations
it is a cult because it is hidden from
you right now you don't understand it
but
it's not scary it's not evil it's not
taboo but it's just because it's hidden
from you so all of these things are in
occult until we bring them
to the light and talk about them openly
be until they become second nature
which they already are we just don't
know it right right and now is that time
and that's that's why i really feel like
this this idea i talk about this thing
called the intuition revolution
in terms of radical intuition is now is
really this time where we're seeing the
world
um bringing that those hidden things
that darkness into light even through
things like quantum physics
that you can see that all of these
things that were like scary and they
blamed on like
demons and stuff in the past we realized
now no that's actually just a different
way of experiencing reality through
quantum realities as opposed to
what we can see in linear newtonian
physics so
all of the stuff is going to come out
it's just hidden because we don't
understand it
you know this mysterious intuitive side
of our being which is really just a
compliment to our intellect
just it's just the yin and the young the
intellect and the intuition it's two
different ways
we have two sides of our brains we have
two different ways of knowing the world
knowing ourselves
and we've spent our whole life our
centuries
developing one side of our brains and
there's this other side that's just
waiting here and is so full of potential
and richness and deepness that
that we need right now as a world to
come together and and to be one and to
experience things beyond
these different divisive perspectives so
now is the time
for this light to happen and it's
happening and we're seeing it we just
got to feed this momentum
yeah now what happens when you start
what we can call saying yes
to this process what like what starts
happening for an individual and how does
it happen as well
yeah so the more that you pay attention
to your intuition
which is really just your inner guidance
systems those little nudges those
insights any information ideas anything
that comes from within
out of nowhere right it's not it's not a
result of your conditioning people ask
you know what you know what does
intuition look like well it's
it's something that's pure truth inside
you it's not from how you're raised or
what country you live in or
any of that stuff it's that pure truth
within you so it comes out of nowhere
it comes without reason so when you
start to pay attention to that
and honor that and and practice
accepting that i call creating a
practice of insightfulness you know we
talk a lot about mindfulness
but we want to embrace insightfulness
too let's listen to that in your voice
let's listen to those nudges and
that wisdom that comes from inside us
when we start living insightfully
the more that we do that the stronger it
grows in the beginning you know we might
hear these little nudges we've all had
those little calling cards of intuition
where
you've thought of someone just as they
sent you a message or called you on the
phone like we've had those moments of
quote unquote serendipity or coincidence
that really is tied into intuition
and they're you know the list of those
that kind of stuff goes on so it begins
with those little calling cards but as
you start to
you know honor them and look for them
more and open to them and really
set your intention on knowing yourself
extraordinary things can happen and i
think you know what i'm talking about
whether it's simply just you know
feeling a deeper connectedness to
yourself
and knowing your purpose and what you
are to to really having higher
experiences of
reality and understanding new dimensions
of reality with our senses
with our being in in many many different
ways
and how do we go go deeper into that you
mentioned you know getting a practice it
was kind of funny we taught you and you
mentioned
serendipity and we like to use the word
synchronicity
just as you was writing down finding a
practice i'm writing down a question
spiritual practice like at the same time
and it's those
it's those little things that i love and
it for me it's bread crumbs from the
creator of the universe saying hey
you're on the right path
you know so are are there like different
techniques
uh you know i'm saying prayer meditation
reading mindfulness like are there
different things that that helps us to
kind of kick-start that or to go deeper
into it or
facilitate more within our lives yeah
yeah and i
i give in the book i give a lot of
different practices that people can use
but
the first step i always tell people when
they when they really want to
you know reconnect and make that shift
back within the first step is always to
slow down
uh to be still be quiet whether you
meditate or just go for walks or
you know enjoy a hot bath whatever you
need to do just take time for yourself
and be still
because it's in those stillnesses that
you can hear your intuition that's where
your intuition speaks in the silence so
so creating more silence creating more
time with yourself that time with
yourself is sacred we
none of us get enough time well wait
right now with kobo we might be having a
little bit more time with ourselves so
it's a good opportunity
to to listen but really getting this
time
um to to just be with ourselves and
listen
and and and turn off all of the noise
and
definitely turn off our phones for a
little bit and just let let our
intuition come through
and then once you start doing these
things even creating some meditation
practices
just to start listening when you're in
meditation like when i meditate i always
have to keep
a journal next to me because that's
where my best ideas come so it doesn't
when your meditation doesn't mean you
just sit there and do nothing
you can open have insight meditations
where all this stuff starts blowing in
and
these ideas come to you so um so it
starts with with this little
this little uh process of re-attuning in
the silence but
then there's practices that you can do
every day and and i go into really
deeply in the book
um but it's really just just a lifestyle
of tuning
in to the to your body to your mind into
your heart
and listening to how they're speaking to
you instead of all of the
the conditionings and the the ideas for
the people and life around you
yeah that's huge um for sure
and in every area for sure it's really
huge people
things trying to get your attention and
take your attention off of what really
matters i think
which is your you know your calling your
bliss your purpose
and tapping into the intuition and being
led by that inner guidance that enter
gps
uh is what leads you to that um i think
in scans uh
in scandinavian language they call the
gut
feeling the gut feeling following your
gut
it's called the god feeling following
that god instinct so scandinavians the
word for
for gut for god and and it's really
interesting to follow your gut it's just
that that first thing that yes
or no and usually you can feel it right
um so as far as like following your
bliss
and and and stepping into your destiny
um for us we you know we talk about
prayer meditation and all of these
breath work there's so much stuff that
we can just keep adding to that you know
writing a journal and and i think for a
lot of people who are hearing this stuff
and
and they can activate it like they could
there's things that they can do to kind
of turn it on
and um but but at the same time you said
it's very practical
it is we love to add the stuff into it
but it is very practical at the same
time i think all of our spirituality
should be if it's real right um
so what about for the people who have
kind of
already stepped into this without
knowing it or knowing
any you know they're not doing any any
any meditation they're not doing
anything to kind of cultivate or
activate it but they're
just already living in that versus the
people who have to
consciously turn it on because there's
definitely those those two types of
people out there
right they might not be spiritual at all
but they're already tapped into their
intuition
maybe that makes them spiritual right
right right and i think artists are a
great example of that because
you know creativity and you know whether
you're creating music
or like i'm an artist i'm an oil painter
so even back before i was
you know consciously awakened to this
kind of stuff i was using my intuition
very passionately very um you know it
would just it was something that i
sort of needed to do you know that the
way that artists feel that calling to
create
that's sort of the place that i was in
so so even if you're not
actually a spiritual person or someone
who's
come to that point where you have made
that commitment
it can naturally be working through
because that's what it's just wired
within us we don't have to like
subscribe to any particular thing you
know no matter who you are it's still
working
in your own unique way and in the book i
talk about how you know there's
all these different pathways of
intuition and you touched on it earlier
when you talked about the you know is it
a feeling is it a knowing
is it uh you know is it a creative idea
there's all these different ways that
intuition comes to us and we all have
our own unique blend
so really it's about becoming aware and
conscious of our own unique blend and
then how to
level that up how to open it up how to
amp it up and
really let these do these magical things
for us that it wants to do because it
wants to tell us
that everything that we need to know it
wants us to take our
best path it wants us to fulfill our
destiny so we just have to learn to
listen
um so what's the difference because when
you use the word radical
i come from the you know the church
church culture and stuff in the
in my past and they you have you have
regular christians
and then you have radical christians and
they were just kind of like
above and beyond and they were extra if
you will
you know so when we're talking about
someone following their
their intuition but what is following
your intuition radically
well this is like this kind of intuition
is extra because
it's it's it's not just looking at the
wu side of intuition
so so you know the way i understand it
we've been going through this sort of
process of intuitive awakening in our
culture over the last 50
to 100 years where intuition's been
growing in momentum so the first early
adopters
were the wu community the spiritual
community started to say hey you don't
have to be born
a psychic with magical powers this is
something we can all do right because
back in the old days it was like you
know you got your crystal ball and you
were just some
person who was born with magical powers
but now we're like okay
no we can learn this this is this is a
trait this is a quality that can be
developed like any other talent
so you're starting to to make that
normal like
normalize this idea of developing our
intuition has been growing and growing
um in recent decades so now we're
getting to a point like my background's
in technology i work for 20 years in
technology i've worked with some of the
biggest tech companies on this planet
so about 10 years ago i started hearing
people use the word intuition they start
talking about how important
intuition is when building new products
or innovating or or really
opening up um to really new ways of
improving the world
so i started to realize that there was
this connection that was happening
on an interior level with the exterior
so intuition isn't just about
knowing it and recognizing it it's also
about living it
right and when we live our intuition we
can change the world
and that's what this book is about this
is about taking our intuition
learning to recognize it and using it to
change the world to change our lives
to to stop living in the state of
unconsciousness to wake up
and really be who we are authentically
and stand for that
so there's a radical component to it
that does tie into the things that we're
going through
right now in this world because it's so
important that we do that now it's so
important that we live our truth and
that we're not carried away
by other people's ideals and that we
stand for it we have the courage to
recognize it and know that it's real
so that we have the strength to stand by
it yeah
that's deep i think like uh you know the
majority of leaders and
and people you know especially with
religion they're trying to make
like copies of themselves and trying to
get you to ascribe to a certain belief
system in a certain doctrine or
something like that
when i think a true leader will have you
be able to
to to follow your own bliss and and
where it's leading
you and and when you see that structure
there's
always like a a ceiling like you can't
go above and beyond and that person
wants to keep you down
under them and always come in feeding
off of them versus someone who is
teaching you to follow your intuition to
hear the voice of god or whatever you
want to call it
and and i think those are the the true
leaders that we need so
that's why i think that this work is
really needed
right now you know and so um people can
follow their own
bliss their own inner gps system and
they may come and they may go that's an
interesting thing with trying to get
followers is the fact that
someone may come and eat from your table
for six weeks six days it doesn't matter
and then they
get what they need and go versus like
trying to
keep people a part of your community or
your tribe or something like that right
there's a big difference there
can i just say how much i love what
you're saying right now i i
love what you're saying on so many
levels because you know one of the
things i always talk about
is all of the teachers that we have in
our life are just teachers there to
to to guide us back to ourselves right
that's their purpose
so you might have a series of really
trusted teachers in your life that have
inspired you but ultimately those
teachers are the teachers that
led you to yourself which is the real
teacher within you
and the fact that you said that you know
people come and go yeah
when they go you can know if when they
if they go happy you've done your job
you've taken them home to themselves
right you know and that's what we want
to do as teachers
yeah yeah you got a problem if they all
leave mad
really mad well then that's something
else but
but um so you know we're kind of giving
overviews on this stuff and we're kind
of just like you know i'm saying
generalizing meditation
and breath work and kind of those things
to go deeper into it but just saying yes
and
continuing to follow it but in the book
you talk about these practical
steps that you can take can you go
through some of the first steps for
people who are like
you know they it's that you know they
don't know anything about this stuff
that we're talking about i think the
majority do
but for those who are just like brand
new to this stuff which there's a lot of
people there too so some of those
practical steps that they can do it in
in the beginning stages of saying yes
yeah absolutely because those are the
most important steps and
i can tell you a few things right now
and if you guys want to check out on my
on my website if you go to my website
kimchi.com
i have a free wake up your intuition
guide it's 12 pages it'll go over some
of the stuff i'm about to say in deeper
detail if you want to just
give it a read and really sit with it um
because there are some real things that
you can do to really start to
wake up your intuition or activate your
intuition because most of us have just
been using our intuition intuitively our
whole life it's been there it comes and
goes
but we don't really have any conscious
awareness of it or control of it or
access to it
intentionally so but the more you use it
and the more you connect with it
the more those things start to happen so
like i
kind of started to touch on earlier the
first step really the very first step no
matter where you are in your journey
whether you're reconnecting or whether
you're starting up
is is to slow down and get into that
white space
so you know i would say you know create
more white space on your calendar
create time every day alone with
yourself even you know if you're
a busy parent even if it's half hour in
the bathroom just pretend
close the door and pretend you're in
there and don't let anybody bother you
if
but whatever you can do is so valuable a
little bit more than you have today
is all you need is really that time to
get into that space
and breathe and relax and let go
and and really allow yourself to release
your attachment to the that hamster
wheel of thinking
you know if you haven't read any work by
eckhart tolle uh the power now
is really a wonderful tool to start
releasing the mind because you know he
talks a lot about the state of no mind
and it's the state of no mind where we
receive our intuition right so we have
to turn off
that toxic thinking that that overactive
mind the mind that won't shut up that
kind of
the monkey mind whatever the word you
use for it you have to learn to turn
that off
quiet it down that's the first thing to
do because your intuition's here it's
always here ready to go but it can't get
through all this noise
of your mind and processing information
so
so turning that off meditating you know
going into the stillness listen to music
music's a great way
to just turn off the mind and just
experience the moment so getting into
that moment and then
and then starting to open in that moment
and there's a series of
um different meditations you can do to
just open
up i have a great free meditation from
bonte pima ratana which is a buddhist
monk
who gives us an insight meditation where
we can just open up to our intuition for
an hour
and that's just a wonderful way to just
just to start letting
these ideas and these intuitive
impressions flow through us and then
and then recording them one of the
things i i always recommend to people
when they're starting up is to get a new
journal
called an insight journal god wink
journal whatever you want to name it
a journal to record all of the little
intuitive moments
and like like we just had a minute ago
when you're writing something down and
someone says
something to you at the same time or all
those little moments of synchronicity
those are
very powerful moments with intuition and
the more that you
you connect with your intuition the more
those moments will become real and
increase
and in the old days when i first started
out my journey that would happen once in
a blue moon and to me it happens to me
so many times every day
you know i mean i know you can
understand like it's just it's just a
way of life
yeah you know so you're in the flow
right so you want to get into that flow
and and those the journal is a wonderful
way especially with intuition it's so
important
because a lot of things with intuition
you don't validate until later
and validation is a huge part of
intuition i have a whole chapter on it
in a book
and what that means is um we have to
learn to trust our intuition
and if we don't get validations that our
intuition is true and right and working
for us
we're not going to trust it enough to
follow it and own it and make those big
hard choices by it so
so creating this journal of these little
moments and these intuitive ideas
uh that that you have so you can look
back on them look back on them
in a week in in a month in a year
and see that you were on to something
before you could have possibly been on
school when you have those moments and
those recognitions you get those
validations like
yes i was right right so creating an
environment where you can really um
start to trust your intuition working
with i have a deck of insight cards that
are great they're not like tarot cards
but they they help you to develop your
intuition you can practice with those
every day
and they get get those little
validations and those little moments
that allow you to build a relationship
with your hiring yeah
and so i know this is this is different
but they're kind of linked together you
talked about the psychic abilities and
having those what we call premonitions
or something like that or
divine suddenlies where you kind of it's
really eerie
so you know the two kind of meet in the
middle somewhere
oh yeah like psychic ability is is a
byproduct of
of really our awakening i think that um
it's very much tied into intuition and
my first book the psychic workshop
you know that came out about 14 years
ago and
you know it's people hear the word
psychic and they get freaked out right
like oh my gosh psychic but what really
what we're just talking about again
we're coming back to this ability to
think in a quantum way we're thinking
instead of linearly we're thinking in a
quantum way or able to
access information beyond time and space
outside of our perimeter
in this moment in time so i think
eventually we're going to realize that
there's nothing that weird about psychic
stuff at all it's again just a part of
of our nature and that we can we can use
it
as long as we open up to it and it's
just a part of what we're meant to know
so um so these moments these psychic
moments when you have those premonitions
or you have those
dreams or you have those um
knowingnesses
that you get when when you have no way
to know them um you know those are
really powerful
exclamation points from our intuition
those are moments that gifts from our
intuition
revelations from our intuition to remind
us that there's more to life
than the the senses around us in this
world we see um so when when you go
deeper into that
and it it just it gets weird it gets
really weird like hold on
who knew that i was thinking that so for
me we call it god this intelligence like
a creator something that knows what
you're thinking
and that you have a relationship with it
and it
not plays tricks on you but makes you
laugh and catching
and reminds you hey you're not alone and
those kind of things like
it's weird to go deeper into that
because that's even a deeper level hey
hold on like
something is communicating with me is it
my
is it my higher self community you know
we get to the bottom of that but it gets
kind of strange
when you're like hey nobody knows that i
knew that
except me and whoever or whatever is
watching me
and created me or something like that
you had those moments because you know
some of the stuff is just in passing oh
that was cool with synchronicity
synchronicities are cool but some of it
at some point stops you in your tracks
hold on what is happening and it's
interactive
this life this journey consciousness and
it
begins to uh get a lot more fun if you
will if you had those
that like epiphany like hold on and then
you try to communicate with
it you know what i'm saying and uh what
is it god we call it god i think that's
the easy word
it's the all you know them it is
consciousness collective consciousness
to us tapping into it getting deeper and
stuff like that but how how would you
talk about that a little bit that
that knowing like hey almost like the
truman show truman show freaks out a lot
of people
because hey hold on something's watching
me for me i'll call it god right it's
just easy but
um what about you like having that
epiphany
yeah and you know i've had those
epiphanies the same kind of things
you're talking about
especially as a young person and it was
scary as a young person because i didn't
understand it
and we didn't have the internet back
then so i had to figure it out on my own
go to
read a lot of books and borders and
stuff so um
but the reality is when you have an
awakening and the way i like to look at
it is
you know i think of it in terms of
vibration um that you know when we start
to wake up we raise our vibration we
shift our vibration
and when we shift our vibration through
consciousness through waking up
we're able to perceive other levels of
vibration that we weren't when we were
in a sort of unconscious state so when
we're more unconscious a lot of us
i talk in the book about excuse me the
three levels of intuitive consciousness
which is sort of unconsciousness
consciousness and higher consciousness
or super consciousness right so
most of us spend our life in sort of
this interplay between unconsciousness
and consciousness like you know we're
we're not like i don't mean to sleep
unconscious but i mean unaware right
we're not able to detect the subtleties
of life
we just kind of go about our day
thinking about you know what we're gonna
eat for dinner and watching tv right so
that's a level of unconsciousness so
when we start to wake up we realize okay
there's more to life
there's something else going on here
there's something there's something more
magical and wondrous in life than we
realize so
so then we start living in that place
but then once you get to that place
you've already shifted your energy
your energy is higher and then suddenly
you start to find yourself
able to interact with these energies
that are even higher
in the super conscious place in this
impossible place into this mystical
place
um and then you know and for everyone
it's different when you get to that
place but
there are there's an intelligence in
that place that i call my higher self
which i like to look at it as
the part of me that knows everything
like i kind of look at like you know
god's like
everything everything and then there's
me and my little
ego consciousness right here that's like
sitting here in my house in pittsburgh
and then there's this part of me in
between those things right which is
where my intuition flows
and this higher part of me that connects
to that all-knowing god and truth and
love and wisdom and bliss
and joy and all that stuff that knows
everything
so when i pull a card out of a deck
that part of me that knows everything
knows exactly which card to pull out of
that deck
right so it's not like i need i don't
have like an angel sitting on my
shoulder like picking the card for me
it's me i know that it's because i have
access to there's a part of me that has
access to everything and that's the part
of me that knows what my friend's going
to call
two seconds before they call right but
the part of me that knows that i can't
trust that person i just met even though
they seem really nice
right that's tapping into that yeah
i get that a lot right and that's how
you you know you know you've got it
you've got to trust that and
because that's that's the best form of
knowledge and it's so easy it's right
there for us if we just listen
it's weird because you know when you
feel that that the intuition
a level of discernment even about an
individual
um you can tell their motives you know
and we are getting into the psychic
stuff but just
feeling you know dealing with your your
intuition is
is learning to feel and how you feel
which is
um you know we're talking about uh esp
extra sensory perception
you know being uh clara sentience being
able clear
sight clear seeing clear knowing and uh
and
that is that inner knowing an inner
knowing is following your intuition it
is uh
you get good at it you get better at it
um and it starts with small things but
you get trusted with more
is is very strange though because like
when you pick up stuff and you kind of
think that everybody gets it too
you're like yeah i don't trust that
person because you can feel
anger coming off of him even though he
looks the part he looks great but this
guy
is bitter he's he doesn't even believe
what he's telling you he's making it up
on the spot
we can listen to people like that and we
all automatically read it and pick it up
oh no no no i'm not there's no way i'm
going down a rabbit hole but then
other people will listen to it i mean i
guess the election
is a good way that i wasn't talking
about that but it definitely comes to
where people follow it hook line and
sinker and and they haven't
you know worked on their discernment or
something like that and they would
follow
uh the stuff that you get a clear red
flag over
what do you do with that do you tell
people hey stay away from them i got a
bad feeling or do you just let
hey i'm kind of giving you to the sharks
if i don't tell you
like what do you think that we should do
in in that because
at the same time going back to the
beginning there's people who would say
that about the political system and they
know
deep down that i'm going to use trump as
an example trump is a good guy they know
deep down he's for the people
but then somebody like me will say okay
hey trump is one of them
do not be fooled guys don't don't follow
you know what i'm saying so there's just
two different
sides of it but we're both saying that
we follow our intuition and discernment
and we can read you know the scenarios
and all that kind of stuff you know
yeah and i've had some really deep
conversations um over the past
you know a couple of months about this
because i think we're so polarized right
now as a country
and it's really hard to you know say
okay
how are half of us wrong and half of us
write and
how do we integrate intuition into this
whole
mess when you know we all should be
really talking about the same thing
underneath it all and i think that
that's what the answer is truly is that
you know it's not
a black and white situation it's a very
complex situation you know there are
good things about trump
you know even though there's really
awful things about trump
but every human being has some good
things and you know the people that
follow him
they focus in on certain things those
are not things that resonate with people
like us who or
i don't know what your political beliefs
are but you know for people like me
because that's not my path but there are
people out there that
that you know you know what is our role
in it we have to we have to follow our
own intuition to find out what that role
is there might be a time when it says
okay we have to let them
figure this out on their own but then
there might be a time where we have to
stand up and say no
you this can't happen you can't do this
or you have to stay away from this
person you can't participate in this
right so that's where it comes to in a
play-by-play moment
we have to be so attuned to our
intuition that we know
when the time is right to you know to
stand up and say
you know this is a this is a do or die
situation
yeah it's huge and we got to be careful
too with you know
getting those feelings and those
intuitions and
and speaking them like their truth
because you could be dead wrong and and
just i don't know if you know much about
this but there's this
i'm still in some of the christian
circles and stuff but there's this thing
where
all of the so-called new thought
christian prophets
they kind of say what they feel god is
saying for this hour
most of them i feel are making up stuff
and just kind of
going and some of them have tapped into
their intuition and they're really good
they can read your mail they know what
you're going through and they can
minister to that so some of them but
when it comes to the political
affiliation a lot of them
got in trouble because they've all been
saying god said that
trump was going to do four more years
and god says from heaven that trump will
do eight years and
we're gonna go into and they've like
they made a lot of money off of these
prophecies they wrote books on it
they've preached it like like literally
like it was god saying it and so now
they're having to come out to
and apologize for it so that is very
commendable that they are doing this now
hey we messed up we were wrong
i'm sorry that we we missed it so shout
out to those people who are saying that
but you see what i'm saying like we have
our own
uh belief systems you know or our
own narrative that we're reading into
sharing this intuitive knowledge that we
know from god or from from source or
from deep meditation that is not right
it was right to you and your scenario
but as far as reality and the way things
are you
you were very very very wrong and all of
us can do that
so i think that's why we got to kind of
be careful with pointing fingers or
speaking that this is absolute in those
kind of things right
right and and to speak to that i mean
you hear about this term having a god
complex right so we hear about these
people who go out and and it can happen
and this is one of the things why it's
so important to really recognize
genuine intuition because a lot of
things can
can flow through us rage can flow
through us anger can flow through us
you know these feelings can can flow
through us and people can mistake those
for intuition
so there's a lot of voices in our head
there's a lot of feelings inside us
and the trick is to know that true north
of our intuition that is beyond feelings
and beyond uh rational thoughts right so
we can get carried away on a feeling we
can get carried away on a feeling about
trump and think we're preaching the
truth
but it's just a it's just um it's just a
thumb of feeling you know what i mean
there was um
i was working at a job years ago and
there was this lady
uh in the church me and a buddy of mine
we were working and we
we went to waffle house for lunch or
whatever and we go
to waffle house and we're sitting across
the table from this lady
on a date with a dude and we know the
lady we go to church with her we're
close
with actually working with our family
member and she was
on a date with another guy at this
restaurant and we're like oh my god
we're like kind of like freaking out oh
my god you see this what's going on
she's out here her husband's she's you
know running around on her husband and
doing all this stuff
and we just knew deep down come to find
out
she had a twin it wasn't her it was her
twin sister that was
out on a date and we're like oh my god
we feel it we know it we got to tell
them we have to let them know you know
and so like following the intuition we
should have known even though they
they told us that we kind of still felt
like they made that up that she didn't
have a twin they just didn't want to get
you know be you know made of mockery or
whatever and be
known that mom was out running around
you know even even though we're probably
wrong
there's still that level of pride there
or we thought we were right kind of
thing you know
oh you're muted okay okay i'm sorry
okay you're good you can unmute yourself
go ahead i
i muted myself to cough a second i
didn't want to cough in the middle
i was like i can't turn back on
so yeah so that's so crazy though you
know i i love all this conversation and
and i i really appreciate you
challenging
these deep things because it's so it's
such a really
um unspoken about part of intuition
where you really need to go into these
these complex conversations because
there's
there is a lot of really valuable stuff
here and we have to just get through it
and push through it and bring more
understanding and light to it
and then it won't be just this like oh
people can just write intuition off
because
it's so nebulous or because they don't
understand it
yeah it's uh it's okay to mess up
it's okay to get it wrong you know what
i'm saying and it's okay to admit that
you did
you know but that's a you know when
there's money on the line or following
on the line
you really can't so um that's how you
learn
right now you have to step out you have
to mess up and get it wrong and then
you learn next time hey hold on let me
not be so quick if it's true it'll it's
gonna
it's gonna linger it's gonna prove
itself that kind of thing
that feeling or whatever and i've seen a
lot of that over the years but i have
also been a part of like getting getting
it right you know what i'm saying
um for other people but definitely for
myself
you know and following that the
intuition like you said like the way it
comes to you
and those times of being quiet and
getting alone and
one thing i talk about a lot is like uh
getting quiet but finding something that
where your subconscious
is free to roam um and that is in the
stillness that is meditation that is
breath work prayer and those
because you're like making it a point to
do that but driving
for me cutting the grass jogging doing
something that where like
you don't have to use your brain too
much you're just kind of like on
autopilot okay i've drove
i drive this route every day for 20
years or 10 years or whatever
so your mind just kind of like is open
to receive
new ideas from your intuition and and
and things and so writing that stuff
down but there's different ways to
receive just like in your day-to-day
well i think once you're tapped in and
once you're mindful of it you get all
kinds of stuff right
yeah i mean how many great ideas have
you gotten when you were in the shower
or when you were driving to work in the
morning because like
getting in that autopilot place that's
when you're just zoned out
and that's what those epiphanies come in
you know even like einstein talked about
that einstein was one of the biggest
advocates of intuition
out there you know and it was like a
bajillion years ago and he was a
scientist
he got his best ideas they would just
come to him with a flash of insight
you know he couldn't solve problems
there was a story about a formula he was
trying to solve and solve and solve they
couldn't figure out and he like woke up
in the middle of night and just came to
him in a moment
so that's how intuition works and so
that's why it's so much easier once we
learn to do it and open up to it because
it just comes to us we just simply
receive it
it's that easy all we have to do is open
to it and and really give it our
intention to listen
yeah yeah um and i hope you don't mind
me just talking about my
you know church references and stuff
like that because there's a lot of
people listening um
we talk about hearing god's voice i mean
this is how they would say it but
we know that it's your intuition in in
church culture
church realm they would say god told me
this yes god told me this about you
and i'm starting to question that being
being just a little bit more vocal about
it
i don't think it was god because there's
people saying different things god told
me this well god told me that oh really
he said two different things that that
kind of don't go together like
what it is is we're able to read energy
and we're reading stuff and it feels so
strong and it's coming from a
external place it seems like or maybe
deep within it doesn't matter
but we feel it so strong that we say god
told me this
or whatever i don't like that
terminology too much anymore
um own it you you feel it
you said it trying to make god the
scapegoat of god told me this listen no
you own it you pick it up you deliver
whatever you're feeling and help help
that individual get over what they're
going through if you can discern it i
think there's a reason for that we talk
about that a lot
like if there's a reason you're picking
something up this should be not just for
you to judge it or to
people gossip about it hey i felt this
on this person or whatever
but a way to to help that person find
some type of spiritual freedom you know
in their life absolutely absolutely i
love that you say own it because that's
that's it we need to own it like this is
within us and you know in a way it is
god when it's right
it is god what we've got to make sure
when it's wrong it's god
right exactly because our egos we're
still ego creatures yeah we still have
strong egos and if we're so many people
it's really hard to differentiate
which one of those voices like i keep
saying we don't we have more than one
voice within it you can't just assume
it's gone you have to know it you have
to feel it you know
yeah yeah it feels different it feels
different when it comes from above
i talk a lot about the scapegoat stuff
too though like i think a big part of
uh the god thing or you know maybe even
a form of tarot cards and stuff is like
hey the cards say this
you know the card said that i didn't say
it the card said it and
i didn't say it god said it and you got
to listen to god you might not listen to
me but you got so there's a scapegoat
aspect that again going back to the own
it listen
you're powerful you are strong there are
many prophets and sages and seers that
came before you and psychics who are
really good at what they do
but they owned it they didn't use god or
whatever
deity as the fall guy the scapegoat you
know
exactly that's huge it takes a level of
confidence though but you got to start
somewhere right
right it does and you know the holy
spirit it connects us all you know it's
something that connects us all we all
participate in we all feel it
yeah but but it's it's owning our own
you know we are individuals
in in this whole process and the way
that we're meant to
to live and serve in the world owning
that and i always talk about owning your
intuition that's one of the phrases i
use because
because because when we own our
intuition we own our power we own our
truth in a really
positive way in a way that can can bring
good change to our lives and other
people so
it's so important that we step into that
true power
um what advice would you give because
this is something that i talk
talk about a lot because i've dealt with
it my own self and then i've seen other
people
dealing with it and they don't even know
that they're dealing with it and they
don't know how to stop it
um it's highly intuitive people highly
creative people you know
just like you being a painter you get
all of these images and all these things
coming to you
and you'll start it you get a vision a
deep
inspiration i want to do this with my
life or something like that
you start it and then you don't finish
it because you got another
dose of inspiration another time in
meditation you said you wanted to do
this
and that comes and then you're juggling
17 things that are all
great they all could they all would work
if you stuck with it but
for some reason the the intuitive
creatives
get drawn away they start a website and
then they start a different website and
then they start at mlm
and they try to start selling essential
oils they do it for three weeks and then
it fall
you know what i found i found this
weight loss program that's really good
and then they'll go to that
and they're just all over the place and
all of them are great ideas
all of them would work if they worked
them how do we stop that
i still find myself getting pulled by
these other ideas and i have to remind
myself
write it down like hey hold on you said
yes to this
and you got to keep showing up no matter
what it this podcast for sure
i don't feel like it today i'm going to
start a different podcast with a
a panel of people i'm going to do
another podcast that is straight
paranormal you know we have
all these ideas and they all could work
i don't think there's enough time to
really
work them or maybe we can schedule it
somehow but
because of that the first thing that you
started gets put on the back burner
and nothing that you do succeeds because
you keep coming with the
it's almost like a curse for some people
because they have not been able to
reign it in and be able to control it
have you noticed that oh yeah
yeah i think it's a type of addiction
actually addiction i think it's an
addiction to that
intuitive feeling because it's a
wonderful place being inspired
when you have that inspiration and we
have these ideas and we have these
creatives first moments of creativity
and that's spark
it's almost like a drug it's almost like
a um
an ecstatic experience because you're
one you're connected you're in the flow
you're like oh these ideas are great i
gotta write them down i gotta do this
and you know and you have that vision
right and that's a beautiful sacred
place to be but the problem is
the next steps beyond that are not quite
so much in that space because now you
have to do the work
now we have to go out there we got to do
the icky stuff we've got to do our
homework we've got to
you know what i'm saying we got then it
gets real right so
we got to push through things get
uncomfortable we have to you know work
hard
and not that that's not that we have any
problems with working hard but you know
sometimes
some of them do though that's probably
the hang up for a lot of them
execution yeah execution it really is
execution and i think it's the
difference between idea and execution
it's wonderful to live in that idea
space and i i am as guilty of it as
anywhere else anybody else
if you look at what i have going on
right now
and i'm just popping around from idea to
idea but then you got to get to that
point eventually
where you're like gonna pick your
intuition is calling you gotta listen to
what your your strongest calling is
there and
and where the doors are opening so
that's a way to stop that is to listen
to what doors are opening for you on the
outside too right so
so you have all these different things
where are you where are you have
alignment where's the most alignment
where's the strongest alignment
if someone asks you like oh maybe i
should do this podcast and then suddenly
you know someone sends you like a free
podcast course well maybe that's the
universe giving you a green light that
you need to just keep going deeper
into that right so so i totally get that
i've experienced it myself
and i think a lot of people deal with
that because it's so wonderful to be
inspired and creative and
and but we do have to balance that in
that young those two sides with that
that hard work with that inspiration
yeah you're 100 right for sure i'm with
it
um got to continue to speak to it though
because it is a thing it keeps coming up
for us
and for others you know um richie man
welcome to the show bro you got a
question for kim
hello many thanks yeah gratitude for
your change i really appreciate the
resonance that you're
embodying oh thank you richie for sure i
was curious if there were
in your perspective like layers or
levels of intuition
or if it's a gradient or if it's like a
static thing just
kind of open in that box but many things
oh wonderful that's a great question so
i do feel like
um you know there are different
maybe different vibrational uh levels of
awakening
when it comes to intuition i think we
start out
in a place where you know we're all
we're all born with
intuition as children and we have very
vibrant intuitions actually
most of us when we're young and
society's kind of like
banged that out of us as we go to school
and we learn
you know how to learn a certain way in
school and how to not learn another way
with with our more creative side
so i think we're conditioned out of our
intuition so it's really pushed us down
into more of an unconscious or
subconscious level uh throughout life
and so it's one of the things i'm trying
to struggle to change because we need to
start with the young people now and
encourage intuition
at a very young age and just foster this
so they don't have to reset like most of
us have to
at our age so um so so yeah so i think
that once that awakening happens i think
gradually the more you open your
intuition the more you use it
the stronger it comes the more it opens
i've been i've been working with
intuition for over 20 years
and i i am i'm every year i'm in a
different place than i was the year
before so
wherever you are on your journey you're
going to continue to go further you're
going to continue to open up further and
i don't know what lies ahead you know i
i keep pushing myself because i want to
push these boundaries and see how far we
can go
but you know as far as i'm concerned the
sky's the limit and we have this
potential to do so many extraordinary
things with our intuition if we just
stick with it
nice thank you for answering my question
what i got is that there's a range but
there's like no cap
there's no cap as far as i can tell like
kind of perspective in the person who's
making the journey or the quest or the
seeking if they're ready for
teaspoons or tablespoons or ladles or
shovels
exactly and that's up to you and
wherever you are you know you just take
that next step and let your intuition
guide you where
you're meant to go
awesome richie thanks for the question
bro andrew uh andrew's with us i think
andrew has a question as well for kim
hi andrew hey kim
it's been a great conversation here in
the car about to run into the gym so
i'll shut that all down but yeah i just
wanted to
tap in and say thank you for uh sharing
your story
and all of the insight that you've
shared um my
my question is you know over the last 10
years or so 2011 was kind of the last
normal year for me
right 2012 it just kept going more and
more and more
uh stimulated to where it's just like
how do i get my next dopamine hit
and how many can i get in one minute
and really as i'm starting to be aware
of that and i've started to go within
and just take 15 minute meditation
practice an hour long in yoga class
these things stop me from you know
hitting the phone hitting the laptop
hitting the tv
hitting the video games and i
become i've become obviously more
intuitive and so i just wanted to take
your
um take on the last 10 years and however
stimulated we really have to where they
can really ping us any time and tell us
to put these on you know or whatever
and um and how you personally
kind of handle your digital life and and
stay intuitive
more intuitive such such a great
question
and i think the reason one of the
reasons that intuition is
is becoming so important right now is
because it is that counterpoint
to be living in this data saturated
culture now i mean
back in the old days people had silence
they didn't have to sit and create
stillness
because they had it all the time there
was nothing to do it got dark
there was not electricity you know so so
there was silence it was just more of a
natural way of being
but now the first time we get a second
of stillness we're on our phones or
we're turning on the tv or
we're doing something right so so i i
think what you said is so important
especially over the last 10 years that
intuition making making this reset to
our intuition
and to moving into that place is
stillness and mindfulness there's a
reason why it's resonating so much now
because
we need it now more than ever so for me
i set boundaries like i say you know i'm
gonna do my social media between
like for me i do in the morning like
i'll have between like 10 and 11 i'll
sit down before i start my day
i'll do all my social media and then
i'll check it like maybe on my lunch
break and maybe
this is part of my job so i have to do i
have to stick it to stick with it
regularly
so i try to create boundaries of certain
times that i'm looking at so i'm not
tempted just to always be there like
just whenever i don't have anything to
do
um and that's really been helpful and
sometimes on the weekends i don't look
at it at all or i'll take a tech free
day
and like just like this year on
christmas we detect three christmas
and just had a whole day with no
technology and it was
glorious you know and you don't realize
it
until you have to go back to the
technology it's like how nice
that space is and how that nice it is
not getting sucked into those
conversations that you don't want to get
pulled into or that dialogue or that
noise or that agitation
um so and then really also unfollowing
uh people that that don't bring joy like
marie condoing your your facebook page
and your
twitter page or instagram when you get
into that place where you can
only keep things there that uplift you
and make you feel connected and better
and
um really allowing it to be something
that feeds you instead of drains you
yeah absolutely i i very much agree with
that and i think too
i think that the main hits come when we
hit these uh
days where we're just flooded i mean
yahoo news probably hit my phone like 15
times yesterday and normally it's like
once a day and
and so i'm you know i got that on to see
what's going on and
you know then i hop into facebook and
it's flooded and then i hop into reddit
and it's flooded and i'm like hold on
let me just take a break from all this
because it really is just a
hit hit what's going on what's happening
in the in this story now what's going on
now and then i cut i catch myself doing
that and really
what these are doing is creating
judgment for us
and as soon as we have anything that
triggers a judgment we
you know can't be intuitive at the same
time in my opinion right so as soon as i
catch myself judging i'm like
hold on hold on a second let me just
close my eyes and take a deep breath
because then i can actually
okay well you're supposed to be
journaling right now anyway so just get
pick up that journal and shut that phone
right off right and i mean literally i
did just
turn the whole thing off and i'm like
all right
here we go that's off now you know and
now i can just go back in
get all my goals written on paper and
you know then
you know journal about what i'm feeling
about this instead of
you know hitting the social media like i
almost did hitting the friends post with
all right here's the meme here's how i
really feel which obviously sparks
judgment in them and then
you know that's exactly exactly why
we're divided as a country in my opinion
yeah exactly and you know that's part of
the whole process
of you know some might even say that
there's been a sort of you know over the
recent centuries
and culminating with now all of this has
really been all the things that are
happening have been
an intentional act to pull us away from
our intuition to pull us away from our
stillness
because it's almost like all of this
stuff is put there and that's our
temptation and that
draws us away from ourselves and the
more they can draw us away from
ourselves and into this
cycle of karmic karmic news karma
whatever you want to call it all that
stuff
is taking us away from our peace and our
truth so that's why when i talk about
this idea of radical intuition
it's a radical thing the most
revolutionary thing you can do is be
true to yourself
and and just tune all that stuff out and
not let it even affect you right and not
let it draw you in
that's a huge shift it's a huge shift in
our life in the way that we live it and
and our way
our relationship to god in the universe
so our intuition is calling us it's
calling us back to ourselves and back to
our
our true you know spiritual being and
the less we are
drawn away from the noise of social
media and the news
and everything that's happening out
there that the stronger our connection
will grow within yeah
that's good um one thing that i know
andrew posted in our discord
chat was about how like even tick tock
like turn it all off like
tick-tock the weird thing is i've kind
of like jokingly said like
you know what has got us through the
pandemic what has helped us to get
through it
and people say you know first responders
or the fast food restaurants or the
the local businesses for me yeah all of
those things but tick tock
like for i think check like it got
really big when the pandemic hit because
it was an
instant turn off facebook turn off the
news and start laughing
watch videos of people of dog dogs doing
cute things and
funny most of it's comedians it's really
funny it's a quick comedic
relief but then yesterday just like
andrew was saying we jump on even tick
tock where you go to get that dose of
inspiration
instantly almost every scroll
like tick tock had become real political
and like this weird agenda that
yeah it's sprinkled throughout tick-tock
but you gotta kind of like those videos
to see it and like every scroll
was about this doom and gloom and all of
this kind of stuff it's like wow they've
even hijacked this one little thing that
has been a dose of inspiration now that
is preaching doom and gloom now too
you know yeah it's so funny because i
was doing the same thing i was just like
i just want to feel good just i want to
just see something i'm
looking through tick-tock i was like
just give me a laugh right right and i
was just like oh you can't get away from
it it's everywhere
yeah it's crazy yeah doing the inner
work and turning that stuff
off and and catching yourself is the
thing
right like catching catching for it
right i mean there's a place we're not
gonna totally you don't have to totally
get off social media you can if you want
it's great but
but as long as you have it like like i
said like create boundaries have it in a
space
so it doesn't control you or you can
feed that that
cycle of overthinking yeah it's huge
it's hard and you got you have to be you
have to be radical about that
yeah to to notice it to notice your
flaws
and and posts that pull you outside of
your character or maybe that's the e
i say your character it's your ego you
know that part that part of you exists
you don't
maybe like it or maybe you're trying to
work on it but so-called
political posts pull you out of your
character so-called religious posts and
you have to comment
and i did even three posts last night
and a lot of people were liking it a lot
of people
um would even like i know i would lose
friends over just giving an opinion on
the political stuff and i've i have an
opinion
a very strong opinion but i've made it i
haven't
i try to hold back because i know that
it is so
i know that that is created to at least
at least my truth is that that's
that's created to to divide us and it
would split my audience right down the
middle and that's not the fight that i
want like that's not i try
you need to choose your battles wisely
and it has this way of sucking us into
we're not into politics but now
everyone's in the politics
and every like they have the way these
stories are scripted and
with the technology and what they show
you and the headlines and stuff it pulls
you in
so i had to go back and delete those
posts i'm like man that's not my
you know it pulled me outside of my
character and i don't really want to
comment on that so even though i have a
part of me does i i know it's not
beneficial i know it's not going to
change anything i know it's not going to
help anyone
keep i need to keep that to myself kind
of thing you know
it's like what you said too with
discernment like yeah we have our
opinions we have
we know where we are on our journey and
what this means to us but i think in
in what we do talking about the truth
you know the truth will speak for itself
and and the truth is above politics and
you know it's only our place to speak
our truth in so far as it's going to
meaningfully help
other people and when you know because
people i had i had someone on an
interview get
actually get very confrontational with
me because i didn't want to
make a political statement about
something and and for me you know i want
everybody to find their intuition i
don't care if they love trump or hate
trump
i want everyone to find their intuition
because at the end of the day if they
really find that then we're all going to
come together
right so it's more than you know what
party you subscribe to and all these
labels and division and stuff like
it's all beyond that the work that we're
doing and the truth that you're talking
about is the same as the truth that i'm
talking about so
it's our role is to help everyone find
that you know
yep 100 um man
uh kim i really enjoyed this talk it's
been amazing
it's a subject very near and dear to my
heart and we can keep going on and on
and on and we'll have to do it again get
you back on but
uh for people who who want to check out
the book and you've got a bunch of other
programs and free resources and stuff
where's the best place for people to go
to check out your work yeah
on you can go to my website kim chesney
c-h-e-s-t-n-e-y
dot com right now i'm enrolling i have
an intuition awakening program it's a
six week online program
program if you want to get in there and
work with me live
uh we do live and build in tuition
development workshops every week and
it's so much fun
and um it's just one of the many ways
that um
you know really to help you jumpstart
your intuition and do this stuff so you
can check that out you can also check
out my school which is
intuitionbatchlab.com
good stuff well kim thanks so much for
coming on hanging out with me it's been
a blast and
we'll have to do it again thank you my
friend thank you so much
all right many blessings you're well
bye-bye
kim chesney ladies and gentlemen great
conversation
great talk following your intuition
um to follow your
intuition you know and there's levels to
it's like the question richie brought up
is there levels to it uh yeah you get
better at it
and i think it starts with small things
at first
you know with levels of trust and levels
of faith or levels of belief
that okay that worked next
will this work more and more more and
more okay i could be trusted
why it's your destiny like it eventually
leads you to the place that you're
supposed to be what you're supposed to
be doing and when so many people
struggle to find their identity
i do think that getting connected with
following that
what we'll call still small voice
because usually it doesn't yell
sometimes
it does but it's usually a still small
voice that comes from within
following it saying yes but continuing
to say yes to it as well
it's huge it's led me to where i am
today
many beautiful experiences many
beautiful relationships
um over the past years and um
yeah keep saying yes and we call it
different things you know it really is
in in the conversation of the spirit
world and how to hear
god how to hear the holy spirit but
uh it's speaking through many different
ways you know
and and learning how to do that with
your uh
spirituality being able to see god
speaking to you and those
synchronicities are amazing
one thing we didn't talk about i was
going to ask her but i forgot um
we could talk about it now but is when
that stuff turns on
and then it turns off like sometimes
your synchronicities and all of these
beautiful things that are happening or
like
boom boom right back one after the other
one after the other
happening and then all of a sudden they
stop
uh i had that happen um i think 2016 i
think it was and
um just in this beautiful place
everything was spiritual everything was
beautiful
i um
bought tickets to a concert something
that and it's literally
like all areas of your life you know god
is
god knows who you are and where you are
but for me i was gonna buy
tickets to a concert the insane clown
posse concert some of you know this
story
and um and i wanted to go maybe have a
reunion with some guys from high school
who used to be into it but
i knew how vulgar i knew how violent
these this band is and
i wanted to do it and and uh i went to
purchase the tickets but my gut was
saying don't don't you do it
do not do it and i'm like reasoning that
inner reasoning
no it's okay i can do it like i'm not
gonna i can go have a good time and
you know not be persuaded by the music
and but
i don't i don't know it was just
something deep down within me that voice
of the holy spirit you can call it that
you can call it god you can call it your
intuition it doesn't matter i love all
of the convert i love all of those
terms and it is all of them it is the
holy spirit it is god
it is jesus it is the archangel michael
whatever you want to call it
but your intuition is speaking to you
all of those are uh
personas and archetypes that we need to
communicate what the hell is happening
but i've had this really deep feeling
not to do it
and literally i went against my own
intuition my own
inner judgment and i bought the tickets
and as soon as i
clicked by and bought those tickets i
felt a disconnect
if i'm being led everywhere by
this the voice of the holy spirit that
speaks through your conscience that's
one of his he
that that's one of his attributes is
that that he's would teach you and lead
you into all truth
and when you're being led into all truth
and then you turn your back on that
hold on you're begging to be led by the
mysteries and the intuition and
in the beautiful bliss of the holy
spirit you're asking to be used and to
be
guided but then we guide you and then
you say no you do your own thing instead
you're sinning against yourself and
that's what i did as soon as i
bought those tickets i felt a disconnect
as soon as i did
and the contour concert was like two
weeks later
like two weeks from that time and all
the way up to it i knew i was like i
probably shouldn't go i didn't shouldn't
go and whatever and
but i went anyway and i felt
disconnected
um you have a form of godliness you can
go through the motions and those things
but you still don't really feel in it
because you feel like there's a part of
your heart
that you've kind of kept away from god
or the holy spirit as a part piece of
you that he can't have at least for
right now at least
until there's two weeks it's the inner
dialogue
um and so i went and man like
i had fun but it
i put a dude in a choke lock at the damn
concert like i could have got
jumped it was pretty crazy like i
shouldn't have went to the concert
you know um but after that and then
trying to come home and then okay the
concert's over now i can get back into
my spiritual routine now that that's
behind me
but then trying to get back in after
having that two weeks of like just doing
whatever you wanted to do and
it was hard i felt i felt lost
because like being so connected and so
in tune
with like miracles and this i mean we're
praying for people over the phone and
they're getting miraculously healed
there's all kinds of stuff when you say
yes and you're obedient
and you're trusted with you know it gets
really deep
but um all that was like foreign it's
like i was somebody else
and then um you know i would do i was
still doing interviews and this
looks like it was 2016. um i'm asking
people hey what do you do
once you get out like once you get out
of the flow how do you get back
in you know and it just felt
i there was nothing that i felt like i
could do until eventually
i just kept doing you know doing the
first things
doing the first works again going back
to
what you were doing when you were in the
flow for me it's a lot of reading and a
lot of prayer
there's a lot of inner dialogue um
but you know when you shut that off or
you're you're disobedient to that
that voice that you follow um you shut
it down
and it's called grieving the holy spirit
is what that's called and i've done it
uh a couple times you know what i'm
saying and you just feel out of whack
you just feel like crap
but eventually i got back in it
and even stronger than ever and uh so
yeah
always say yeah and listen to that inner
voice that inner dialogue whatever it's
telling you to do
again judge the voice judge it make sure
that it lines up with
love and make sure that it is righteous
make sure it's not telling you to do
something crazy and
you know people because people will
claim that they're following their
intuition or following god or following
the holy spirit they go do some
ridiculous stuff you know what i'm
saying um so make sure that you
err on the side of love don't err
on the side of judgment don't err on the
side of
this is the truth and i have to tell you
regardless err on the side of love man
you know what i'm saying and uh and you
will never go wrong
and so that's where um that that's where
you'll be guided that's where you'll
won't have anything against you nothing
that comes up later for you to
a karmic debt or uh you know having a
reap something that you've sown you've
sewn
discord you've sown confusion you've
sewn heartache
you know what i'm saying that you that's
going to come back to collect make sure
that is only beautiful things that
you're doing that comes back to collect
and so when you're repaid for all the
stuff that you're doing
all of the fruit the work of your hands
that it comes back
and it's multiplied over and over that
it's something beautiful that you can be
expecting
so air on the side of love continue to
do love continue to bless continue to
help
this is a learning thing and and we
won't really uh
learn or grow unless we're open and
honest about those situations like i
don't like to even talk about that as
part of the ego that would say hey don't
talk about it
people are going to think less of you or
they're going to see the chinks in your
armor
and whatever the case is and so even
that that voice that is saying no
don't do it when you know that it is
truth that you know that it is beauty
and there's something telling you not to
identify that voice that's saying no
identify the voice that's telling you to
quit identify the voice that's telling
you to leave your family
identify those voices that are trying to
tell you and pull you to do bad things
it's okay like learn that voice
jesus said that my sheep hear my voice
but a stranger's voice they will not
follow
you have to be able to learn and discern
that stranger's
voice that's trying to call you and pull
you out of your character
to make you say and do things that we
know that the true you would never
do and we're going through levels of
healing we're going through levels of
being trusted and being used by the
spirit
and there's things that you got to get
rid of there's things that are in you
that the old you would respond to
that you can't take with you to the next
levels let it go
be refined by the fire say yes to the
process
and watch the amazing things that god
will do with your life man
uh with that i'ma say peace and shalom
and we're gonna be doing the
school of the mystics tonight we'll be
getting into some prayer into some
meditation
much needed i think we all need it i
need it you guys need it
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stuff
but if not we're gonna go live with it
because i think that um
you know there's a lot of people who
need it right now so i just want to make
sure that that's available and not
hidden behind like a paywall or
something
so we're doing live stream prayer
tonight it's going to be good i love
each and every one of you
of you guys man thank you for believing
in me thank you for partnering with me
and sticking with me it means the world
with that i'ma say peace and shalom
we're gonna do it again see you guys
tonight
peace peace
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