Seeking Truth With Kris Garner
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Chris garner Chris Gardner welcome to
the truth seeker podcast man what's
going on hey what's going on it's
another day you're usually in the chat
hanging out now you're on the other side
of the screen that's right we're gonna
see how this goes yeah it's gonna be
interesting man so again I mean you know
I'm saying thank you for supporting
believing in the in division and being a
valuable member of the community you
know what I'm saying you you brighten up
a lot of people today just bringing your
truth to the table what you believe
rationale as well to the mix because
that's something we need in this whole
truth seeking endeavor no matter where
you approach it from right rationale I
believe a lot in this what we do your
platform to be able to just discuss
these things a lot of people need
somebody to talk to about this stuff and
then that rationale part you know I
really think that I like to try to take
a lot of the woo off of it and just look
at the logic and what are we really
looking at and break things down to is
just a conceptual form of it and let's
look at it as a concept and then let's
get you know fanciful after we've
understood the concept you know yeah I
have had so many guests on here you know
me and you talk a lot after about the
guests of some of the way far out ones
and maybe some of the ones who may be
lying or making up a story and you
really have to you have to do that you
don't just accept everything that's
being portrayed I mean you've been
hanging out for a while man we're
talking about you know with the Jordan
Maxwell interviews the same
Bonacci you've been here for a lot of it
man and you can see where people are
what they bring to the table and and
that's just with everybody and I know
you've uh you've been you said you've
seen me early on when I was on Kelly in
the raw a lot doing a lot of interviews
on her channel and and stuff like that
and so I'm pretty sure you've had a lot
of different documentaries or people who
claiming to have the truth or whatever
the case is right on different different
shows like what's the difference between
the platform that we have here versus
the thousand other ones that are
probably in this section right here
trying to grab your attention with
beautiful thumbnails and hey join our
community watch my videos like what is
different about not just me but what we
have here like the way we do things I
think first off there's a general caring
that's going on you know that everyone
involved seems to care about each other
pretty well and has a an honest effort
to help each other and being able to
talk about the things that you can't
talk about in church talk about the
stuff that that your friends go well
that's just too deep or you're just too
crazy you know why not why can't we talk
about aliens can't we talk about
elementals interdimensional things this
stuff has been around for thousands of
years and it's there to talk about
but people are scared too so a lot of
them want to talk at you about it
they've got their fancy stuff they're
telling they're gonna tell you how many
twenty seven thousand dimensions there
are in the number of them and it's
probably not really that way talk
together is a big deal you know yeah
that's good too right so like so it's
not like a preaching at you it's not
like this is my way or the highway if
you don't agree with it you can go which
note I know you've seen that you've seen
me deal with those people as guests and
then run into you know this weird
schisms or whatever the cases where
people who have their truce and are not
really open to what you have don't have
to say I remember like I used to learn
what the Hebrew is
your lights back in the day and one
thing that they would always say when
dealing with people in the community or
listening to other people talk as I hold
on
this dude is trying to teach you he's
not here to listen he's here to convert
you guys versus two other people who
were just seeking together and even
Jordan Maxwell man just one thing that's
really beautiful body a quote he always
says it says never trust a person
telling you the truth but always search
always trust a person who is seeking the
truth this person who has claimed to
have found the truth and they arrived
and usually they have other agendas
they're trying to sell a book today
garner has nothing to sell you we're
just hanging out you remember the
community but um yeah it's just being
able to just ask those bigger questions
and get to the bottom of it and if we
all have a piece of the puzzle versus on
the other side most people already have
it figured out and there's things we do
have figured out I believe some truths
that we hold and some foundational
things and stuff like that especially
you know we deal with a lot of religious
people and people in the church and
stuff like that so they have their
foundation which is Christ which I
believe is a great foundation but it's
about building on top of that and not
being scared that ask the questions
right right yeah and it's it's almost
become a cliche but you know the first
part of wisdom is understanding that you
don't know everything yeah you know
approaching with humility right yeah the
people that do they're fools and they
don't know that the fools are well
educated maybe even well-read fools but
you don't want to open your mind and let
something else in ya there's hope
there's one thing always turned me off
about like certain ministers and stuff
is the fact that they're not teachable
they don't have a teachable spirit
they've got it all figured out and
they're just here to to move forward
with it and proclaim it and and to
convert people but being able to still
be teachable no matter how old you are
or set in your ways or how right you are
you there's there's so much more that
most of the stuff that we talk about
there's there's so many different layers
and areas to it it would take a lifetime
to really understand and then you would
never even fully understand it right
even if you've given
your life to it and you just get a piece
of it right it would take a whole
lifetime to do that so for someone just
to be well-rounded on many things and
feel like they know everything when it
comes to demons aliens meditation or I
mean it's endless religion Christ or
whatever you have to so that's why I
like again when we talk about like I'm
not gonna go to Jordan Maxwell about how
to meditate and cleanse my mind and
ascend to higher levels of consciousness
I'm not gonna go to Jordan Maxwell for
that I'm not gonna go to many people and
just like I'm not gonna go to someone so
pastor or evangelist about wanting to
know the way that the heavens work or
wanting to know what the lights in the
sky I'm seeing I don't expect that
person to be an expert but when we can
have as many guesses like I've had on
here over the years you know you start
painting a picture of reality and the
way things working it's essentially you
finding what you're looking for right
you notice that all these people are
secure and they really believe what what
they're seeking you know yeah it's
really about works you know you can tell
people's countenances you know how they
are you know if they're just Braavos and
trying to tell you everything that's you
know that they're right and that you're
wrong
absolutely that's a big red flag yeah
it's cool to saw to be around people who
are just open-minded not that you can
try to win them over or debate but just
the fact that we can actually have a
conversation because you got all those
other people you can't even talk to them
yeah and I and I really are really
thriving this because I used to be one
of those people I I would want to avoid
that conversation with me because I'm
gonna be right I'm gonna try to win you
over whether I'm still that way about
certain things because I am right I've
studied it deep enough I don't need to
be a jerk about it but on some subjects
yeah I am right and or else I wouldn't
be speaking I would be saying I don't
know tell me something yeah yeah that's
the interesting thing a lot of the stuff
you just said
when it comes to religion in particulars
we understand most everyone understands
that you have to take in different
information you know if if you're
studying to be a doctor you're gonna
learn about a lot of different things
you're going to take in information from
different places whatever it whatever it
may be but when we come back to religion
it's this book in this book only and
you're not allowed to look at any other
book now how come this model works for
every other type of learning except for
spiritual learning you know that's where
I first started getting really hung up
that's the rational thing right being
rational right it's like because I tend
to break things down to those concepts
and put things into a form of a model
that I'm looking at from the outside and
some things weren't driving so I started
looking in other places and the other
religions I looked into and the other
philosophies I looked into at their core
they're all the same I mean you take
away culture and we've got a loving God
that loves us all over the world yeah
you know people just dealing with
religion and being told what to think
again it comes it comes back down to
being rational and I think that's one
thing that like I approach even a study
the study of all things but really the
study of the Scriptures right because
coming from the church you know you've
been told like this is the truth don't
question it on all these subjects even
biblical subjects like oh just look at
tithing let's look at speaking in
tongues let's look at the baptism of the
holy spirit let's talk about fasting I
mean like this is it and if you say
anything outside of this just this
particular denomination then you're
really not welcome here if you believe
it you can believe it all you want just
don't speak it don't tell nobody you
know and and really getting to the
bottom of the Scriptures getting into
some of them the more meat and potatoes
or some of the deep studies of the
scriptures you find out I hold on this
stuff y'all teaching us ain't even in
the Bible you guys are building
doctrines upon things that have been
mentioned one time and then you guys
have this big
actions in its and a lot of Sufis like
misrepresentations and miss quotes of
the scriptures you finding curses that
were that God was cursing a people for a
particular thing that they did and then
the pastor's are reading it like God is
cursing us a bunch of weird witchcraft
stuff going on so for me like the
rational thing is like the Bible says to
study like line upon line precept upon
precept and for me like I started
studying and just the things that
started repeating themselves okay that's
a truth they're saying this is
consistent throughout the scriptures
this isn't just this one-time thing and
then this is consistent so I really had
to break down my whole belief system and
ask God the supreme power to reteach me
reteach me I've learned the traditions
of men and half-truths and so teach me
the word and so start to see these
things judging it rationale right like
using common sense of saying okay this
is a picture of what's going on versus
being told what to think and I approach
it from Christianity you know that's my
background where I come from and and we
have to use that same rationale no
matter where we are if your analysis
looks like calling the scientific method
onto religion so you've you've taken and
seen what's repeatable and and seen
what's what what's coherent and and you
know the feeling part in the faith is
very important but in the at the end of
the day we're trying to put together
concepts that are beyond us you know
we're trying to understand a god that is
omnipotent and beyond our understanding
if it were easy to understand the books
would be much easier to read you know
popouts and they would show you pictures
and you would understand but this is
deep and it's hard to understand concept
the feeling of it is easy having faith
in love for each other that's the easy
part but some of us so I'm just want to
know more some of us want to understand
the deeper truths and they're coming
from omnipotent you know a source you
know this is this is outside of our
realm of understanding but we do our
best and and like you said we we can put
them together we can look at the
similarities we can look at what is yeah
what is continuity exactly like okay
like I said I found them in the Bible
but then you start holding the other
religions next to the Bible and while
there's consistencies here you guys
tithe 10% we tithe 10% you guys speak in
tongues we speak in tongues you guys
roll on the floor
you got shake and quake in the spirit of
Christ we shake it shake and quake in
the spirit you know I'm saying and
looking at all these different religions
like man we're not so different after
all the heart of the seeker
the one who is diligently seeking after
truth something outside of themselves or
they know that then they know they're in
communion with something greater than
themselves now we've been given labels
and this is its name and this is his
name or her name or its name or don't
call it that or whatever we're just
gonna ration all this stuff again and
and people and there's people in the
midst of religion all of them who I
really believe are true seekers man
truth seekers really at the end of the
day and and and you know when they were
searching to ask him you know this this
leader showed up there Imam their
priests their pastor they're you know
I'm saying guru showed up that's what
when they were seeking God that's what
was next to them and he brought them in
and taught them their ways and
traditions and not saying that God is
found in those traditions but that's
what they learned just like us you know
we cried out to God and we started going
to church and we met Christ through
church and and experience God through
that and so but there's something
similar in the hearts of those seekers
just like there's something similar to
many of those people who were in church
who don't even know Christ they have a
form of godliness but denied the power
thereof they can they can quote the
scripture they can put on a great show
but really deep down there there's
something there's something different
about them they're racist they're
homophobic you know what I'm saying
there's so many things that intolerance
that doesn't mirror the image of Christ
and then what was like an awakening for
me was when I begin to talk to these
people who were outside of the church
but they were more I was more similar to
these people in my pursuit of holiness
and of truth
and the people who I was rubbing
shoulders with in the congregation and
that lets you know hold on let me ask
these bigger questions is this person
going to hell like is this does God hate
this person like my pastor told me cuz
they look they they're really they seem
more like Christ than the people in my
in my church you know and you have to
ask those questions and use rationale
you know what I'm saying yeah so fire is
a big one that's that's repeatable
throughout everywhere and you know the
fire of the Holy Ghost that burning
inside the the Kundalini which you get
flack for you know but the same person
can say oh yeah I've felt the fire the
Holy Ghost
don't guess you understand Kundalini do
you this terminology man it comes off as
taboo well that's one of the taboo terms
we heard about one time at that one
place we're just using that using the
term Allah you know most the time we're
just arguing about terminology a Krishna
we mention it all the Middle East is
gonna call God Allah even the like you
know saying the God of the Bible but
they're gonna call him a lot because
that's what the word means and uh what
is Arabic it means God you know and so
they're gonna hate white people so it's
in their culture the core of their
religion is very peaceful and loving
just like every other but at some point
in their history they had a trade route
running through their lands and I
believe it might have been the French
come through there and they say we'd
like you to pay taxes you're carrying
these goods back and forth you're making
money off coming through our land we'd
like you to pay a tax these little
people they just bash them in the head
and said no we're not gonna pay your tax
and went on this hatred gets filtered
down filtered down and then Mohammed
comes along and he's militant you know
and he becomes their prophet so his
sayings become their Scripture so now we
have a hate for infidels that is infused
into a religion because some people went
across once upon a time and bashed them
in the head you know and that's not of
God that's of your cultural influence in
your religion there's any Muslims that
have a problem with that then you know
look inside and see why you have a
problem with it because you know deep
down inside the Holy Ghost that fire
that knowing the akashic I like to call
it sometime it's a nose and every one of
us know what's going on you know what
you did know what you didn't do
that is what true hell is those guys are
probably not going to go to hell and
burn in a fire lake of fire but instead
they're going to sit in an endless woe
and torment in their own brain because
they know what they did that's true hell
yeah we live it by what we do I really
believe that man we've talked about this
and and some deep conversations on here
man about you know you have to pay for
that that's hell on earth you know even
the concept of Hell is not is nowhere
mentioned in the Old Testament as far as
being a liter no lake of fire like
that's a new concept after Dante's
Inferno yeah yes then you have the
apocalypse of Peter which came out and
said that you know whatever sin that you
did upon the earth you were going to be
judged by that in the afterlife I don't
know about the afterlife can't really
tell you much about that I've never been
there but I can tell you about this life
and that there's a hell that you can
experience here and you will be repaid
accordingly to what you've done on the
earth and those demons you're opening up
yourself and and you have to rationalize
you have to put your head on the pillow
every night and go to bed and try to
keep your hands clean in your heart pure
you got to face God you know and so
people go mad doing that you know what
I'm saying so that's what we know to be
true and that's a really deep and what
people do to try to lie to themselves
and you know we always talk about inner
healing on here finding really getting
healed from the stuff that we've done
man or stuff that's been done to us
finding healing in all areas and part of
that is dealing with those demons you
know and how they they got into our mind
and how why they're here so as far as
dealing with those in the afterlife let
God sort that out we're dealing with
those in this life in our and our
choices and our actions depend on how we
feel and how we keep a clear head and
have to light wake up in lie to
ourselves I know people who've done that
I know people who have gotten in car
accidents and they were drunk as
teenagers
killed people but they and they were
drunk but they were underage and they
had and they tell themselves to this day
they've played out a different scenario
in their head so that they can sleep at
night and they've had they've become
reprobate as the Bible says and it you
know they've playing out these scenarios
that don't even exist and because they
have to go to bed every day and wake up
with the guilt that they took a life
because of something stupid that they
did and but to this day that person
that's buried so deep and they've played
out another scenario that they what
wasn't drunk
I never even have oh no isn't even
buzzed you know dude everybody's seen
you leave the party like plastered and
you got behind the wheel no it wasn't me
I was fine it's interesting you can kind
of tie that to a conversation we've had
before about the selling your soul to
the devil your the fame where you become
the persona your video on persona is
good when you're living in a lie you're
doing that very same thing you sold your
soul to this persona that you put on you
know I go back and forth on the demon
subject I've searched pretty deep into
it from the archons to the third of the
hosts of heaven that were sent away to
the influences you know there's
definitely influence but you know back
to that model that I like to point out I
can take away demons as as a separate
entity and just it works as just a Tulpa
of something you've created in your mind
the demons that you make that model
works without you know spirituality
so there's definitely both sides to it
there because there are influences
people you know people can get driven
mad but they can very well do that in
their own their own without an outside
influence well that would be a
scientific or psychiatric proof to these
esoteric scriptures about these little
demons who are coming to live with you
and ride on your back and suck off your
aura and live off of your energy right
that's just like a scientific fact a
psychological fact that this stuff is
real right and I think in the scriptures
anyway when it's talking about these
demons and what they do their mind sets
we call them vibrations it's the way you
feel happy sad
you know what I'm saying the changes of
a vibration and it says the demonic
spirits are strongholds which are
thoughts and imaginations yeah that
exalt himself against the knowledge of
God the truth that God says about you
and these demons that's what they do it
ties right in with psychology you know
and they aren't the they understood that
in the scriptures they labeled that
stuff and and and called it accordingly
and it worked for them and now we're in
you know we're here where science is
advancing but to me a lot of this stuff
it's proving the Bible that doesn't not
told you what you guys were calling
demons is just schizophrenia you know
here's our scientific term it's the same
thing and I believe that you know in the
renewing of the mind chain which is
changing the way that you think the turn
to repent as of the prophets have been
telling us for years term repentant
repenting means to have a change of mind
to do a 180 and change the way you're
thinking you're looking at this all
wrong you're going about this the wrong
way repent you're not stupid you're not
yet worthless you're not a drug addict
you know you don't identify with that
stuff you know and so you're not your
failures you're not these things which
you've accepted as your identity or your
persona that's how they seem to sit in
what you believe you make it real you
know and this really speaks to how just
really backwards our world has become
everything everything is backwards we
care about the things that we shouldn't
carry around materialism rules without a
doubt completely it rules everything you
know we we make judgments the wrong way
yeah I don't it's hard to even quantify
how big it really is I mean the way that
we look at things is usually based on
our materialistic gain from it rather
than how is it really helping our
overall well-being and this just plagued
society it shows in the way that people
act in social media in way that people
have very little concern or compassion
for each other anymore there's
no common courtesies anymore you know
it's it's really few and far between
that you see someone just do the right
thing because it's the right thing you
know that's why I don't everything from
our government was based on just doing
the right thing for the right thing the
very concept of the Republic coming from
Socrates and Plato is to do the right
thing for the people for no other reason
that it's the right thing to do not for
profit not for personal gain or power
you know and this is a philosophy that
we should all live by is just to help
each other out this is what's really
being taught in all of the scriptures
all around the world what got you into
this stuff you know I like to talk to
people about their childhood I really
feel like our childhood shapes us to be
the people that we are today and you
know a lot of times whether it's
anything paranormal or super spiritual I
don't really feel like you've had a lot
of those encounters but something with
some you know said something happened to
get you into these this stuff to ask the
bigger questions to watch these videos I
mean what type of experiences did you
have experiences with ghosts or psychic
phenomenon did you think about a friend
and then they call did you think about a
song and then it was on a radio as soon
as you thought about it like what what
what got you into just asking the bigger
questions in life at when you was a
child man different times all of the
above but the main influence was just
not actually it said we're a little
weird not being raised religious so in
my household from a little kid we would
talk about ghosts who talk about alien
sightings we would talk about the weird
stuff and and we didn't really talk much
about Jesus and we didn't really pray
much and do that but we were taught a
general ethics and values you know that
stick with me to this day but just being
open and then as a kid bob lazar came
out when bob lazar came out the secret
guy from area 51 and I was a kid it
really affected me and got me into be
what I would call a researcher where I
have to study read books I got to learn
about this it started with that but yeah
I've had some strange encounters I've
never seen ghosts but I've had some
weird encounters where my sister would a
she could see things tell me that she
saw things and then the things that I
would feel when she's saying that I see
this over here were hard to deny you
know and overwhelming like it took the
air out of me you know like being choked
and smothered by this presence that was
kind of spooky and I felt that a few
times here and there I think everyone
may have whether you acknowledged it or
not you know there's there's something
that can come over us you know darkness
now what about what about the alien
thing so if he was like obsessed with
that and even Christy folks is asking
the question have you ever had any
encounters with aliens or angels or UFOs
I know that stuff can draw you in would
you was you afraid of it like asking us
questions because I was scared to death
of aliens that because they were a real
monster that when I hear up up in the
night I walk towards it and see what it
is I just I do that that's that's how I
am I got investigated I'm not sure I'm
gonna go see it takes me out I guess
that's what had happened but there was a
thing with when I was a kid where some
of my family members saw a UFO and I was
there but don't recall I don't the story
is being told of don't you remember
seeing that and no I don't I don't
remember it but I don't deny that it
happened and then there was a time when
I was uh with a cousin in a field and
what looked like a meteor went over it
was this bright ball coming at us and I
tried to jump over a fence and fell down
and years later I asked him if he
remembers it and he doesn't remember it
that's crazy like I've got I've got a
cousin of mine who you know some of my
big stories that I write about in my
book and these crazy experiences like my
cousins were with me but they're just
like they didn't follow this path you
know it's like how can you not like be
telling people about this stuff that
happened to us man you know what I'm
saying and this is so weird like what do
you mean like they remember I'll ask him
oh yeah I remember that
I'm like dude I got podcast I wrote a
book about it like why are you not like
talking about this stuff man you know no
sample some people just wasn't it just
didn't leave a mark on them or something
I don't know it's so weird I've also
always believed in with before I even
knew this word that I use a Kaushik all
the time I just use that word you can
use so many words that means the same
thing but it's a tapping into a knowing
and I feel like I'm good at studying
things but I also feel like I'm good at
just looking at something and knowing
how to fix it knowing how how to work
this or operate that or and I always
felt like I had a way of tapping in and
knowing the answers like discernment for
sure if I need to know if something is
true or not I feel like I can just
listen and no I don't know if that's ESP
I don't know what ESP really is I've
studied it deeply through a lot of
different angles I know that empathy
Israel and I could always say empathy is
the proof that there is something to a
oneness or a psychic connection a
unified consciousness maybe you know
it's all speculative of course but when
we feel each other there's no reason we
should feel each other's emotions this
did this doesn't fit into reason you
know and that's why I call it the proof
of there is something going on I don't
care if you want to call it ESP psychic
Akashic like I like to call it virtual
Gary's that's what I call spiritual
gifting for sure
but it's an easy one that we all can
relate to you've all looked at a puppy
and oh and that is this empathy you feel
or the you know you understand what that
means I guess is what I'm getting at
maybe a bad example
but when someone's in pain especially a
kid and you feel that pain you know you
shouldn't be able to do that you should
just be able to judge their facial
expressions you know and according to
what we're told about the mind being
local
- only your brain and not a non-local
consciousness that is connected to all
things that is taboo from teaching and
that is the direct core of why
everything is backwards where I was kind
of going to earlier but lost track but
we've taken science and put it aside
from religion and we did that back with
Louis Pasteur he can kind of search into
that if you want but he sort of won a
contest of what is going to be the
official scientific method and it was
going to be an atheistic point of view
when we leave God out of it and try to
look at repeatable you know process well
that's a it's wrong it's backwards you
know especially when you start to
account for things that are understand
this understood or not understandable
like ether you can't see ether and
measure ether but even Einstein said I
have to he had to admit that he did not
account for an ether and there almost
certainly has to be an ether and you
know these things that get mystical
science can't explain it because science
can't see it but religion can't explain
it and if we were fusing these things in
understanding the different not the
different but the conjoining aspects
then we would have gotten a lot farther
along in those those areas we can't
understand really what string theory and
quantum physics really is we have a
bunch of number crunchers that try to
define it and understand it but they
don't put God in why aren't we putting
God in what so God created us in our
image and so many wanna believe that had
something to do with this mortal coil
meatsuit that we live in and that's not
there almost has to be an afterlife
because God wouldn't have created us in
the bipedal form to be His image but an
eternal consciousness an eternal soul
now that very well could be what we're
talking about is God's image yeah and
then you see you know early on when I
wanna stuff begin to be really deep for
me I would see the internet and it
trying to like mimic the spiritual
giftings or Facebook saying that we were
all connected and we all knew things
about each
and like where you know even the
worldwide web like we there literally is
a world wide web and it's not the
internet you know I'm saying it's the
global brain it's the global mind that
we're all connected to each other I mean
that's why I really like this symbol the
flower of life as all of these petals or
all these circles within each other now
touching one another they're all a part
of this one body I mean that's
definitely a Christian a Christian
theory as well as far as like coming
together as the body of Christ and we
all be in different members make up this
one body when we look when we step back
and look at like what's happening on the
earth whether it's in cities or when
mankind moves into a desert land or a
rain forest and see what's happening
with and how it's changing and the
devotion of those people and the colors
and it looks what's happening to the
earth as we're moving together as a unit
it looks a lot different than we just
like we're on the earth doing that like
there are we talked about this to
microscopic organisms on us who are
doing the same there's one or two here
when they get together they form this
little unit and they run and take over
another piece of land on your body so
just as the you know the Israelites
we're trying to get to the promised land
and fight and war against monsters and
beasts and other nations like that's
happening with us on the earth but it's
also happening on a microscopic level
inside these different levels that where
we're operating in and then the
spiritual level as well but just talking
about the consciousness of God heard
people say we are God experiencing
itself through all of these different
means it's very it's very strange to
really it'll keep you up at night and
once you get really deep into it
yeah you get into fractals Mendel
brought fractals and things and and
there's a good sort of good science
there that that's really cool about most
of that thing for you to look at the
Edgar Cayce thing where he said God's
God's consciousness came to be and
looked and within itself to ask the
question of what is and
decide what is frakked alized his
constant consciousness into all of us to
experience you each and experience of
god experiencing cancer is 42 it is a
maybe the earth really is a computer
simulation in its way of all of these
individual but yet combined unified
consciousness is running through their
experiences to experience all that there
could be you know don't be experiences I
have in my life that you'll never have
and one consciousness experience at all
of those is omnipotent so yeah I don't
know that I totally prescribed to that
but it's a really cool story you know a
lot of other stuff that makes a lot of
sense to you can get into Anunnaki stuff
gosh that stuff makes a lot of sense to
Enki and Enlil you before them and
council of the Elohim and you know but
maybe that's all tied together to in one
thing you know we know that our history
screwed up we know that we were not
hunter-gatherers six thousand years ago
there were definitely civilizations
twelve thousand plus years ago they keep
finding stuff stuff keeps getting older
you know so it's tough there's a lot of
theories most of them can tie together
but you may have to drop a few paradigms
that you've been taught to understand
you Steve man um you mentioned
discernment a while ago we have you know
you have this discernment and being able
to tell things and oven I feel like I've
been moving into sermon in this one area
I wanted to talk about with you speaking
of you know we're into ufology you know
we study there's lights in the sky and
things traveling back and forth from
heaven to earth as the Bible says and so
that would open up a door to look into
some of those things and in that field
there's been people who have kind of I
would say infiltrated it who maybe have
started off being well-meaning people
such as David Wilcock
who got a lot of people into a lot of
this stuff 2012 enigma was huge got
people into that I think it was number
one on Google for like a very long time
his video but there's some people in
that field now we want to talk about
just to mention Corey Goode who came
with these grandiose stories saying that
he was a secrets he was a part of this
secret space program and that he was
taken as a kid and taken to Mars in
these different planets and trained in
higher knowledge and intelligences for
twenty thirty years and then he would
come back to his body as a kid you know
in these weird grandiose things other
people Laura Eisenhower she's into that
now there's more people coming forth
saying that they are part of these weird
secret space programs and stuff not
saying that that stuff doesn't exist but
I've always had a sense of discernment
like these people are saying making this
stuff up I don't believe you and then
again being a skeptic or whatever the
fact is I want to believe you it sounds
awesome I want to do anybody wires
really bad
I want to believe Billy Mayer I did too
yeah but I followed it far enough to see
that he's not believable at first you
know I gave Billy Mayer and Corey Goode
both way too much of my time I could
have skipped to the end it would have
been great but especially Corey good I
listen to all that stuff I got into it
I'm a big fan of David Wilcock less and
less all the time you know but that's
because he's caught up in this stuff
he's perpetuated this stuff we don't
know what side of it he's on but his
wisdom teaching stuff is amazing it's
it's just like having a video
presentation of secret teachings of all
the agents manly halls work it's a lot
of a lot of information came out of
their right minds on Kindle it doesn't
show up
new sensations but yeah Cory good I
wanted to give that guy all the time I
watched all those programs read about
him and it didn't sit right none of it
ever set right but the a lot of the
stuff they based it on a lot of the
German science of the ants anti-gravity
development a lot of these guys viktor
schauberger wilhelm reich just a name
drop some people that to see teton t
Thomas Brown T Townsend Brown that's a
minute
anyway in the 20s I believe was
experimenting with fluid dynamic
anti-gravity you've got Nicholas Kozyrev
and Russia who was experimenting with
torsion fields all this stuff was
attainable with or without alien
influence then you get German stories
from the duel and real societies and but
this inner art stuff is tricky because
you hear the stories from Admiral Byrd
who supposedly went into the Inner Earth
he never let out his memoirs that said
what happened but a family member did
after his death and could have tried to
profit by hyping the story up so you
know you never know what the real truth
is but when you go back far enough you
find a very old German fiction novel
where it first mentions the inner earth
people and they have Averill society in
thule society that rise out of the
belief of this Inner Earth and they
helped along but it originally comes
from fictional work but it is a story
that just it stays present of this Inner
Earth stuff but either way rather they
had some beings inside the Earth's
rejecting ideas into their mind or
whether they just figured it out on
their own or rather Pelagians flew down
and landed next to them and handed them
you know lasers velcro and microchips we
don't really know but they definitely
had the technology a long time ago yeah
everything is everything that we think
is new is very old you know recently
they someone was talking about 3d
technology how how far back it went you
know that you can ask your grandpa's
that they were flying drones in Vietnam
you know so I try trying to use a lot of
discernment with the guests on here
right like I know it's not my intention
to really get into some of that stuff
that just like if I hear your story and
I'm like yeah it may it'll get clicks
obviously the crazy shows get clicks and
the truths and the more down-to-earth
stuff is kind of you know we want the
crazy stuff right that's what people
want and I've noticed it gets clicks but
it's not my intention to have those
people on a lot of times like that one
lady how much she had a relationship
with an archival who is one of the asked
our commands asked our command it was in
a relationship with this entity or
whatever that they were married and he
takes her on trips and shows her the
multiverse and this bunch of crazy stuff
that she's in a relationship with and
then you look at the persona you look at
the what's going on in the head and been
through many failed relationships and
okay this person will never leave me my
last four husbands left me but this
Archon or well you know whatever he is
it won't leave me you know and you find
out why these people kind of gravitate
towards this stuff same thing with Jesus
I mean there's so I know there's so many
battered women in the church and you
know what Jesus won't never leave you he
to promise you he wouldn't when your
husband left you when your father left
you you know he won't leave you so we
gravitate towards these type of mindsets
or whatever the case is to fill that
void within us and it's not necessarily
a bad thing you know and people are
getting tired of the Christian thing and
it's just normal you know everyone's a
Christian and we've seen the good the
bad and the ugly so we want something
different you know it's essentially like
there's a story in the Bible where they
wanted Jesus arrested for claiming to be
the Messiah and doing all the works that
he was doing they wanted him arrested
but the was it a Pilate was I look he
didn't do nothing I can't lock him up
because he didn't do they like arrest
him take this man he's like look that's
on y'all y'all take him and they're like
no but it was once a year is their
custom to swap out a prisoner for
someone else
in a jail one of the jails full of war
but it was just it was accustomed to
trade them out and they would rather the
guy's name was Barabbas and he was the
killer he was a known killer he's a
psychopath murderer and they said look
it's our custom that once a year you
will swap out take Jesus and give us
Barabbas so they would rather have
something different they don't care what
it is just I don't want this Jesus thing
take him
give us the serial killer give us the
murderer right and so it's crazy we see
that going on in our society and it's
it's a it's been happening since the
beginning like of the righteous being
murdered the righteous being mocked and
people wanting to fulfill their own
desires right they're wanting to just
create new ways to do wickedness in the
earth and they say take that other stuff
we don't want it give us these other
religions give us these other ways we're
gonna make up a new way call it
Scientology I know I have to have a
supreme power to get in your order I
don't want none of them you present it
I'm going to propose Scientology as
their new religion let me be a part of
your team all of this stuff man said
look I don't want Jesus and so he's the
symbol of love made manifest man enough
righteousness that's given to us but
people would rather throw it out the
window and just say give me something
else man I don't want it yeah that's
interesting especially about Scientology
so I bring up an old fiction book that
mentions Inner Earth people and whole
societies that have been created out of
the belief of this fiction book and then
you look at Scientology it's a whole
religion huge religion started by the
most prolific fiction writer ever see
this the l ron Hubbard has written more
fiction than any other man that's ever
lived and they by hook line and sinker
this is absolute truth and gospel right
here you know we let ourselves blow with
the wind you know discernment is
something that we only use I guess when
we have to unless you learn to just turn
it on and an approach
things like with it and it can be a
curse sometimes I'm trying to be into
the show with the lady and I like the
idea that there may be invisible dragons
flying around and I'm in a relationship
a stalker god dang that's the red flag I
didn't want to see your red flag I was
just enjoying the story
no but they pop up you gotta listen to
them you know what's right or wrong
that's what that Kundalini that's what
that fire of the Holy Ghost whatever you
want to call it that's what it's all
about it's it's a yes and no maybe it's
a voice in your head but it's a yes and
no it's a feeling of that's right that's
not it's hot a cold no but not everybody
has that like even in the in the Bible
it's a spiritual gift that some people
like are better at it you know I think
they have it but they turn it off you
know I think the decisions that they
make turn it off they mute it they don't
listen they do the opposite maybe when
they feel it they don't like the feeling
maybe they feel an internal cognitive
dissonance with themselves you know what
I mean when they see something that they
know they shouldn't do but they're gonna
do it anyway and then they just go
straight for it you know without even
knowing I think we have the potential
for every mental disorder I think we
have the potential for every spiritual
gift within us of course some are
stronger in some areas than other you
know just as some people have bigger
muscles than others you know some people
have bigger spiritual muscles or weak or
spiritual muscles however you want to
label it the the proof is there over and
over again it's there well it's just a
fact that like you know me and you would
would would like maybe laugh under our
breath at something like that but then
there would be maybe even more people
who would say give us more of that keep
the Jesus thing give us that we want
more of this and they would believe this
lady they want our book they do want to
know more so even though that we operate
in discernment discernment is kind of
like our default now maybe that's
because of growing up and becoming
street smart maybe it has something to
do with it of being lied to a lot that
we can tell when people's lying you know
can we can tell when the imagination
takes over I don't know what exactly it
is what we get better at it right
there is a spiritual sense too it's just
what you know in the comic books just
the spider sense
The Sixth Sense up no this isn't right
you're lying you know and not but not
everybody has that because there's those
people who would listen and say man this
is truth and they will follow that stuff
and buy her books and try to maybe hook
up with his brother
the spirits brother that they want to
get her in relationship with I'm being
serious you know and that goes with
everything some people follow this stuff
hook line & sinker
they love Corey good and he's not lying
he's telling the truth you know and that
kind of stuff and just following
charlatans who are making it up as they
go they are in ufology they are in the
church they are everywhere there's
people who know that you're gullible and
they're gonna play off of that they know
how the psyche works they know how to
put out a good story and stuff and so
it's really weird so I guess we do have
to like you know speak up for those
people who don't know or at least tell
them to look at both sides don't just
take this side and run with it you know
I'm saying like it's all truth or
whatever I mean what would you say to
that man just like the people because I
mean that's the biggest thing we're like
Christians come at me for is the fact
that I'm having a psychic on who is
talking to their dead uncle that lives
in the house right and people be like
you know you're gonna have people who
you're kind of promoting it you know I'm
saying as people are gonna maybe want to
try to do that I mean what would you say
so the proofs in the works for sure we
may not be able to discern this person's
authenticity right off the bat just
immediately cuz look I'm a gullible
person by nature if you try to fool me
I'm gonna be fooled it's one thing that
makes me look at things analytically
because everybody always fools me I'm
not a liar by Nature
I have a big aversion to lying I'm gonna
tell you the truth and hurt your
feelings with that you know and but when
we look at Corey Goode is in particular
yeah we see someone that started out as
a completely different persona and they
start changing
maybe he grew but he didn't he embraced
Fame and he enjoys it but you're not
getting zapped into a little ball and
getting spun out to Mars you're not
going into the Inner Earth and talking
to two bird beings none of that's
happening you're making that stuff up
and you know those of us that have lived
are deep enough like the dark journalist
was the one you know that looked into
these servers we can tell everything
that Corey Goode read all of the stuff
he talks about is out there
our Gatins they're out there all that
information is there to be found and he
put it up into a nice bundle and sold it
as a great story and he used a lot of
real science pseudoscience people or
what I want to call it and tabacky a lot
of history obscure history so to back
this story you know and all of those
people all of the charlatans that are
going to fool you eventually are going
to fall apart so let's look at the ones
that didn't fall apart if you want to
know about the most credible alien
accounts you're gonna sit through like a
Richard Dolan speech a guy that has not
fallen apart over time because he's
selling a lot god that's just doing real
research the guy that I thought David
Wilcock was at once that just did honest
research and presented those facts just
like Manley Hall did you know reported
on the things that he learned this is
what these people relearn Maxwell Jordan
Maxwell for sure and some of them just
fall apart because their whole thing is
a stick you know it's a good one it's a
sure good one I really liked Billy
Meyers there's a I bet too man I tore
his story's apart yeah and there was
another guy that had a picture of an
alien and said he worked at these places
his name's escaping me but on further
research he found out the alien was just
a doll that you could have bought at
Target or Kmart or somewhere you - alien
looking through the window you remember
that one that was big in the early days
of YouTube yeah and so now they're all
in all all of them are in legal troubles
guy TV's being sued they're suing guy TV
it's a a bunch of bicker and they
keep calling each other Luciferians back
and forth
yeah and you know it's it's ridiculous
it's you know what about so let me ask
you this so you mentioned uh Richard
Dolan right I want to make something
another right god did he just did he
just have Jimmy Church on his podcast
that's right it goes live all the time
yeah okay
now where does Jimmy Church play into
all this because I mean I've been on his
program you know he definitely and he's
tied in with coast to coast you know
they have a lot of grandiose stuff it's
like the crazier the better yeah well
they won't hit their a they're selling a
project product and there's nothing
wrong with that you know but you can't
say that all of this stuff is true you
know it's not you know but a lot of
Dolan because he reports things that you
can look up you know the false flag
events he keeps it pretty pretty level
and you know give you something that if
you want to look deeper you can go look
at it and find something I've read
several books by different people that
I'm fascinated by the subject that I'm
reading and then I'm seeing some of the
what they call a fact that they lay down
so I go fact check them and I find
websites that don't work I find things
that don't exist I find contradictory
evidence you know yeah but then there's
other people you can look up everything
they talk about prove it you know that
they know what they're talking about and
then use your own judgment from there
they have an insider that they can't
name right see you know I've always
thought that that uh David Wilcock
insider was him just channeling and
that's his insider like yeah just kind
of channeling their energy inside or let
me know that in the government there's
this going on and it's I have an insider
who I can't name you can't tell you that
it's raw thank God rahu he's in
communication with yeah it gets kind of
crazy
what about so like there's always people
trying to hope stuff right and so we you
know I talked about this on the
interview with with Gil Hodges right and
even in the church realm there's people
who were trying to fake miracles you
know fake miracles as people who are
planted in services in a wheelchair to
stand up how
and it does something because people are
wanting miracles we all want we're
expecting a move of God and something
happens when our true miracle happens or
even a fake one we get fooled and it
makes us give more money it makes us
excited about God it makes us you know
and so in in ufology there's a bunch of
fake stuff happening and in the
religious circles there's a bunch of
fake stuff happening there's in a Bible
where like they said like in there was
just well and uh when the water was
moving it was an angel moving the water
and if you got in in the water in time
you would get healed whoever got into
the water at first and so there was like
this there was a bunch of stuff showing
you like there's stuff on the History
Channel showing you a ha they had like
mechanics it was like almost like Street
magic even how they would make that
stuff happen Jesus walked by I was like
hey lucky you having a good time putting
getting in the water right he's like
kind of mocking him almost like hey you
you're trying to you know you're
following cheap parlor tricks right and
so some people will call themselves
justified and faking faking this stuff
or making these grandiose stories
because they're building intrigue
they're helping you follow gee they're
helping Christianity because more people
are getting excited about it more people
are giving more people are coming to
church now because we're telling you
that angels are showing up every
Wednesday and Sunday you know versus
like hey we're just gonna do a Bible
study will you come and hang out with us
and study of the scriptures and maybe
pray for one another
you're gonna get a couple people but if
you say that the angels of the Lord are
here they're showing up there's
seventeen who'd that is confirmed to be
there like people are gonna come you're
doing that's kind of like if you have to
like go above and beyond to sell it you
know what I'm saying like are they
justified because they are building
intrigue it's like the guy claiming that
he's raised you know two hundred people
from the dead does that that helps
Machiavelli in business practices but in
this case especially with religion you
feel like the ends do justify the means
doesn't matter how we trick them we got
them in here and that's of God you know
but you've brought them in under a false
pretense
you know they think they're under a
false pretense now they think every day
should be a healing right chicken every
day be a miracle
not every day's life man you can call it
a miracle and have the best optimistic
look at it don't get me wrong but no
most of the time we just got to get
through each day it's not grand and in
in fanciful and you know they make it
out to be something that it's not you
know if anything it's just a diligent
work that you do every day to be the
best version of you you can be but yeah
if they fool you they get you doesn't
matter because it was of God doesn't
matter why it works out and that that
practice whether people know they're
doing it or not is how it's going well
hang up one more look at you know we
look at the the amazing Randi who had
enough of that stuff I've been watching
a good bit of amazing Randi lately and
no one ever claimed the million dollars
though did looking at how they caught I
think I didn't know he's the one who
called copy
he caught peter Popoff right yeah he
called everybody got peter Popoff which
was like multi-million dollar
evangelists who was doing these big
healing Crusades and he would get words
of knowledge and he would tell you your
address what street you lived on and
what you were suffering from in your
body so there's all these people who
they're coming to be healed and he would
say there's a woman named Caitlin out
there one seven one nine so-and-so Lane
stand up the Lord's calling your name
today and that person would cry oh my
god god knows what I'm going through
little do they know is that when you
come to that that the service they asked
they you fill out a prayer card letting
you know I need you know we want to want
to follow up we want to send you some
materials you know when you leave and uh
so they signed up a sign odda fill out a
prayer card and they give it and Peter
Popoff's wife is backstage he's got an
ear monitor she's reading the addresses
were in names and addresses in the
ailment and these people are standing up
and he's praying for him and they're
really feeling like they're in touch
with the divine he's getting great
donations from it you know people people
are showing up
but an amazing Randi came and they had a
some type of EMF reader or something
that picked up the frequencies and they
intercepted the the radio signal that
was going to peter Popoff ear and they
recorded it and it's his wife hey
there's a lady here by this name called
you know in a slight man he caught her
but like the dew would still be going
actually he is still going he came died
starting twice I think lady called him
else is caught him before to charlatan
but if you show up after that I mean
come on like but you know what about
those people who came there and they
became believers
yeah they feel justified because of what
their cried brings people to God so yeah
I can keep fooling people and I can keep
fooling people cuz I don't probably
don't even think of it as fooling people
you know just Jesus didn't trick people
and stuff it makes me question people
there's people who are involved with
Bethel who do similar stuff now and I've
been to services that do some other
stuff but it always makes you question
like hold on a second you know and I've
been there services where they call out
a whole family they call out before I
joined the church and and learned
anything T V Church turned me off big
time for a long time I didn't want
nothing to do with Church I didn't want
nothing to do with this production that
was obviously fake that I was seeing on
TV all the time you know and there's no
way I'm gonna believe I should I should
have more belief but you know I don't
believe that just because of guys
swinging his coat around on stage means
that you're not gonna be in a wheelchair
anymore it's it's what I want to believe
in those kind of miraculous believing
healings you know I know I know it
serves its purpose right it reaches a
demographic who needs to be reached I
mean I think it's still a month it's
still a multi million maybe billion
dollar industry TBN there's some good
stuff especially those of you who are
seeking and searching Adam star seed
base as he grew up watching the 700 club
his money all the time but it freaked me
out where I
I like the 700 club I can think it was
some more the bigger ones the revivals
and stuff that I was we ended up so like
this was like 1999 we were at home up
late one night smoking weed pass them to
join around it was drinking you know
just young and uh young and dumb
teenagers and I was switching through
the channel and we stopped on this one
channel with this heavy metal playing
this band I never heard and we sounded
pretty good though
it sounded like Korn I was really big in
the corner dom and we're listening us
like who is these guys we didn't know it
was the Christian Channel we stopped and
we listened to this metal or screaming
as oh this is pretty good and then right
after the song goes off there's this car
and his dude comes in jumps over the car
and he's looking at he gets riding the
cameras faces I hate hey you there yeah
you with the joint I'm talking to you
want to let you know that God loves you
man he's got a plan for your life put
that thing down man there's greatness
inside of you I was like I said the
whole day this is weird it's awkward it
really strategic though impact on
somebody that's really high I was really
high and I thought he was talking to me
but you know it reaches so it does a lot
of good I mean I've even heard of like
people going to like the Benny Hinn
healing Crusades like there's a girl
locally who's who was what she had like
cerebral palsy in her legs and her legs
were bent in she went to a Benny Hinn
healing crusade and got healed she's
walking upright she's walks fine now
after that crusade her legs straightened
out you can't tell her that that's fake
if it is or if it isn't we don't know
whether it's the power of belief the
power of placebo which I think
definitely comes comes into play as well
the power someone is it people even
comment in the comment section now
saying that we have the power to heal
ourselves it's the fact how bad do you
want it how bad do you want to come up
out of the place you you're in and how
bad you want to overcome we're talking
about people who are hurting in their
bodies people are fighting for their
life and diseases but they just need to
know that look your best days are ahead
of you
don't accept it don't go down without a
fight believe that you know I seen it
happen to my grandmother they told her
she had three months to live my husband
I was a year and a half ago you know and
she we all we went to tell her goodbye
we love you what we say you know we're
gonna pray and we begin to pray pray for
her and believe with her she got a word
wasn't even from a Christian person but
it's from an uncle who said look they
told me I had that or so and so my dad
had that he lived seven seven years
after they told him that and just this
hope oh if he did it then I can do it
let me just take care of myself you know
and it's just about holding on to hope
and not giving up right
yeah beliefs is big belief makes it real
however it works whether it works
through a god and and proxy whether it
works through yourself and consciousness
however it works it's real belief will
make it real well that's that's the
thing with with the personas and it's
the thing with the lady in a
relationship with the ashtar command
first of all I don't know I can't tell
you that she's not you know I've never
been taken up to prove it right aroma
never been in a sexual relationship with
a entity from Mars I haven't she is
claims it I I have my own opinion my own
discernment you know but I don't know
that she hasn't believed that but she
lives her life like that's her truth
like it really exists I mean you know
there's a lot of quirky stuff that
people do in religion that other people
in the same sect or maybe a different
denomination would would laugh at and
scoff at right but to them it's truth
and if they've accepted it and they've
believed that if they fashion their life
in a way to expect similar things and
they begin to see that maybe to manifest
it because of the power of their mind
and the power of the belief that they
have and and and we've seen you know it
I don't know and that's the thing with
me or with you like people with would
share some of these crazy stories that
people scoff at oh what drugs were you
want what would you smoke and I want
what you
well actually was nothing you know and
people don't believe it because it's
seeing that for them it's seeing is
believing but really at the end of the
day believing is seeing if you believe
it you will see it if you believe it
you'll receive it my expectation brings
about my manifestation and we see it and
it's so powerful the placebo Jesus
believed in it I Jesus went to cities
and we're talking about that he holds
all power and all authority the Son of
God manifest in the flesh would go to a
city to heal people and they would laugh
at him he was rendered powerless he
wouldn't heal nobody but then he would
go into other cities where people didn't
know him I mean we heard stories about
this guy he's healing people man he's
casting out demons you remember that guy
who was chained up on on this island he
was chained up and he always would cut
his self and he's screaming and trying
to kill herself and he had to banish him
to an island while I seen that guy in
town he ran into Jesus and jesus healed
him and they're just beginning to tell
people inside man we need to find this
to ease this guy and when he shows up oh
there he is
hey I got some I'm dealing with some
issues in my body can you I need prayer
man can you tell he said according to
your faith it's done he's healing
everybody in the town but then other
towns he would go to where they knew him
man you talk he's a carpenter he's yeah
that's Joseph's son he always was into
the Bible and studying the scriptures
he's just another one that he's just a
Jew he wants to be a rabbi everybody
wants to be rabbis but you leave your
talents I hold on you see the power of
placebo there and it worked for them it
was rendered unto them according to
their face and just like us whatever you
believe in we talk about weird stuff
we're talking about the fairies we're
talking about the angels we're talking
about aliens UFOs if you believe it I
believe you can see it even if it's just
you if you manifest it and you willed it
to happen you want it to make contact
and you did you know I think the
motherly do think the mind in our
reality is that powerful especially
what's like this this lady in this case
you know she but this is what she
believes and that's her reality and we
may look at that from the outside and go
that's ludicrous but if that was
ripped away from her would that not hurt
just as bad if our realities were ripped
away from us you know that's where the
truth and the realism comes in and how
you make it real because it will hurt
you we always argue about what is
reality people talk about at times not
real rails not real one thing I can
guarantee you is that pain is real I
love the tulle vote very says all this
pain is an illusion but delusion or not
that's the most real thing there is when
you go back to yourself it's gonna hurt
you know there ain't no denying that I
don't care who you are I don't care you
know I'm not advocating anyone hurting
themselves to feel real please don't do
that but yeah it will hurt her to have
that reality torn from her man if you
see this I'm sorry we could done so much
I mean we can go on and on there's many
examples especially you know I mean
we've seen it all but we still believe
you've had all of this stuff where you
still believe in you've been in the
church and you've seen all this
buffoonery but you still believe you
know yeah buddy can take them back and
forth just like hearing your story you
know I've never set my books on fire
that's just a pick on you but uh you
know I've been back and forth I've
considered myself atheist at a point in
my life I've considered myself a Mormon
at a point in my life Christian I've
considered myself I guess what is it
Universalist or whatever you know just
different points seasons and the whole
point was learning I need more
perspectives for my reality to
understand things and that's how I work
you know others are like that and you
know I say sometimes if I had a if I had
a switch to turn it off I don't know
that I would switch it you know I just
leave it on because I don't know any
other way to be any more if I want to
learn about a subject I need to learn
all about this you know it leaves you
with more questions does like you're
gonna get to the bottom of it and there
is no bottom of it you know and so you
could say it's futile why try won't
because that's what we're supposed to do
I like to say that the search the
meaning of life is the sir
for meaning you know and we all search
in different ways we contemplate that
all the time why are we all here we're
all here to figure out why we're here in
my opinion and that can be
individualistic it's different for you
for all of its its to love and to grow
you know they know that's what Jesus was
trying to teach us yep just to learn
from this whole thing enjoy it why are
you here
reincarnation where do you stand we've
talked about this a lot a lot of people
probably the majority of my guests
believe in it I'm not sold I don't
believe in it and the Bible says
disappointment wants to once for a man
to die after that the judgment there are
some things in the Bible as far as like
life after death I believe in eternal
life and that's why Jesus came to give
us eternal life right it's versus maybe
when people would die they would go into
oblivion and just cease to exist anymore
they would literally expire and they
don't exist which is scary right and as
many people believe that I'm not sure if
the Mormons believe that under the
Jehovah's Witnesses believe that that
those who are outside of Christ just
don't exist you go into oblivion but
those who are in Christ have been given
everlasting life granted eternal life
that they would live for eternity and
then where spirits interact with mankind
after that you know there's a bunch of
biblical examples with like Jesus
interacting with Moses and Elijah and
many people in other faiths who talk
about their masters and their ancestors
watching over them and communicating
with them and stuff like that they
didn't reincarnate yet there's a lot of
we're talking about the rules thing
there's 77 dimensions I experienced the
29th dimension this day you know I'm
saying we hear these weird things going
on and as people say or say I heard just
the other day or 70 years for you to
cycle through or to reincarnate so if
you die you have to wait seven eight
years until you come back you see all
these weird rules you know what do you
stand on that stuff reincarnation is
another one I feel like I've been back
and forth and all over the place with
bring up mormons or the ones that i
agree with the most they believe in a
pre-existence i believe that free
existence was probably
outside of what we consider tongue I'm
not one of those people that will tell
you Tom doesn't exist that Sun comes on
this side and ends on that side every
day the exact amount of units of
measurement there is totally time but
there can be something outside of time
and that could be the experiences the
fractal nature that could be a lot of
these different theories but I think
there was a time before that we remember
and I think that there's a connectedness
to all times and all experiences that we
have and I think you're picking up on
that I think you're tuning in to maybe
someone else's life it doesn't mean that
it was that you know empathy that
download of hey there's something
lingering here doesn't mean you were a
14th century King you know what about
the kid fighter pilots yeah yeah maybe
he's picking up on energy that's there
maybe his DNA we're you know Adam shout
out to Adam Stassi for bringing that to
the table I read that little boy another
story you're speaking of and it's it's
it's hard to deny that's why that's one
of the things that keeps me kind of back
and forth and all those real listen to
this boy but then again we're talking
about that because when we talk about
the charlatans like once that little boy
came out well there was little Christian
boys who came out yeah there's always
more yeah so they end they have books
and they have movies they died and went
to heaven they remember heaven there's
all these little kids now and they are
on TBN being interviewed we want the
grandiose tell us what the afterlife is
like and it was books and everything and
they come out to be lying he they
admitted that he lied balloon boy yeah
you remember that I know I played it on
here one day you remember balloon boy
though right oh my goodness it's so
funny it's so funny
so balloon boy actually um let me see
so the the little boy's dad was trying
to he wanted to he wanted to make it big
he wanted to break famous and so he was
China they get the balloon down the boys
not in it mom calls and says he was
that the boy was was at home hiding
right so let's see I'm gonna share a
computer sound hopefully you can hear
this but this is what was said so they
was on an on the news channel being
interviewed and they're asking a little
boy why was he lying why did he act like
it why was he hiding you did velkan can
you hear that he's asking Falcon did you
hear us calling your name at any time
you did you did it why didn't you come
out
yes said we get this for the show
you didn't dumb come out yeah so what
happened was they they were on their
live on CNN given an interview and said
we were looking for you why didn't you
come out he said because you told me not
to you told me to hide in there we're
gonna do this for the show busted man
but you know just doing all these these
things these hoaxes man setting up this
stuff and people getting getting caught
and and getting you know found out but
it's crazy man what people are willing
to do so you got the point with the
internet cutting in and out but hoaxers
man you know I'm saying yeah is most of
us want to believe they wanted to see
you know and they want to make money off
of it it's got to be money or
inattention driven you know for sure
people want attention people say the
most ludicrous things and believe it
over just the need for attention you
know you know we all fall into it in
different ways try to acknowledge it and
realize that you know you're bending
your reality now you it's your and
you're given these people false hopes
and false false policing all for what so
that you can feel a little better you
know it's a it's a terrible thing that
they do you know because there's there's
a I'm gullible person but I'm not even
on the worst of the spectrum you know
there's a lot of people they're gonna
buy this stuff and believe it and
they'll argue and and fight against you
if you dare not believe you know it's
the core of of a lot of what's going on
all over the world from if you know it's
the oldest tale there is probably we
keep fighting over you believe one way
and I believe another way and yeah in
the end you need to look at consensus
you know that's one problem I have with
psychics I love to try to believe in the
psychics I want to miss
to them and hear them but why are you
all not saying the same thing if you can
all see beyond time and space and you
can see what the rest of us can't see
you should all should be saying the
exact same thing you know that's the way
I see it if you say that you can remote
view the moon and see what's up there
then every one of you should see the
exact same thing but you all see
something different there's a lot going
on on the moon Chris I guess so it's
occupied by many different races of
aliens
so if psychics are true they're our best
they're our best asset there are tools
you know there when that consensus can
be reached and ego set aside and if this
stuff is all true and they can look and
tell us what it's got because you have
the ability I don't so I have to rely on
you to tell me what you saw but you saw
something different than the last person
that looked at the same thing that's
where I started having red flags or you
know I want to believe the things but I
can't help but see those flags I get
frustrated on here sometimes you know
talking to the same people like oh
another psychic another medium another
there's another that and so you don't
want to grow weary in well-doing I want
to be I want it to be something I enjoy
I got which it up though because if I do
too many of them back to back then I
don't want to I could just you know it's
what we do get to see the areas they
agree on that's that's the upside to it
of interviewing so many of them we can't
see where they agree and they agree on
mostly all the love stuff you know yeah
my best about matters right yeah
repeatability is love you know yeah
that's good
have you ever heard of them if
Macpherson tapes that came out in like
94 95 Macpherson tapes mmm you UFO
footage that they play it on like the WB
at the time an alien abduction VHS that
they found the Macpherson tapes
at Lake County yeah yeah so that was
something back in the early nineties you
talking about a hoax or whatever the UFO
hoax they played that on like that oh
yeah they were the ones abducted yeah
see no they found me Harry from stuff
yeah yeah may have been the first lost
footage thing I know right I mean that
was you know that's before its time I
mean that's kind of like you know Blair
Witch before Blair Witch as well you
know first person you know it's in
selfie mode most of the time recording
they had a scripted and all these people
got abducted by aliens and as a kid like
I was really big into that and I see I
told you it's real it's real I get
scared me like I knew they existed you
know and these people got abducted and
they had footage of the aliens were even
on on the camera and stuff like that but
come to find out those you can look
those names up those are actors I think
they're all actors you know yeah
recently there was a guy that did some
interview similar to ours where he was
going to prove some kind of psychic
power and he makes a pin land on the
table or something and see though he's
done that from off-screen they caught
him because he you could see his arm a
little bit you know
you know why what why why do we wanted
to see what is it that we're looking for
that you needed to see even to people
even know that they are deceived you
know they just bought into this stuff so
much believe it so much and have that
fervor that they want to share it very
much of that happens too you know yeah
man
is that a Jon Snow picture behind you
yes
who drew that my sister got it somewhere
who drew it
my daughter thinks that it's a that it's
Sirius Black it does kind of look like
him I think I look like Sirius Black a
little my wife and they wanted me to go
out Sirius Black for like speaking of my
family I have to tell my daughters Kirk
and my son hey look Jace I'm on YouTube
yeah yeah they're in the comment section
hanging out
skarphol I'm skirt cool yeah they're
hanging out in the comment post in that
this is what Dad does there so uh shoot
man speaking of Game of Thrones are you
caught up watching I'm uh would you
think I'll ever learn or alert if you
don't if you watch Game of Thrones I
haven't finished it which I don't think
you watch Game of Thrones if you haven't
finished it right yeah right I think
that it had to fade away every life had
to return to as close to normal as it
could and you know it couldn't be any
more grand because we've done all the
grand stuff now we just need life to go
back to being normal so I think it was a
decent ending you know it was like the
birth of a democracy I enjoyed watching
the the council brought in them you know
messing with each other that was good
life has calmed down all these threats
are gone for now Jon Snow really I mean
look like a sad ending probably just
because of the look on his face the
whole time and he was making love to the
Queen and now he's being so I think so I
think he really longed to be back with
the free folk Zac I mean that's what it
looked like but he was telling people he
did he'd been telling you the whole time
I don't want the throne I don't want to
be king you do he kept him away from
where he wanted to be duty kept him away
as when he was with the watch then when
they'd be proclaiming King in the north
duty kept him away now he was done with
all that he's done been killed for his
duty you know what I mean I think he
just went to take his wolf on out into
the wilderness and live his life out
yeah yeah it was good yeah if they would
have done any more we would have needed
a whole new series you know what I mean
well then supposedly I mean that's why
they set up some of that stuff was to
promote new series from yeah I've seen
your spin-off previews for Arya
now Liana and Rhaegar the story of Liana
and Rhaegar leading up to Robert's
rebellion that looks like it's going to
be pretty good then they've got a
spinoff of how the the children of the
forest created the night
King they were cool they should have
been in that longer I really don't you
tell my elementals or whatever like they
were they were cool yeah something I've
not studied into quite as much as I'd
like to yet is the elemental stuff when
you included that snippet in your song
about the salamander it got me really
interested in since then I've looked a
little into it but I haven't dug deep
yet it's very interesting man I really
do believe there you know there's
something there too that guards over
each one of those kingdoms whether it's
an angelic force or they're just
embodied in these little creatures or
whatever we'd like to say the lore and
the fairy tale but that's definitely the
spirits that guard over each of that
stuff and pull and push the tide and
they have a duty and a job to do with
this ecosystem of just our reality and
the matrix that holds this stuff
together and we want to know how it
works and operates and when you look
into the really fine detail you see you
know what
you know Sam Paracelsus wrote down as
the elemental beings that exist and you
know so it's definitely interesting and
I've definitely encountered an elemental
not as far as like a nature spirit that
just they just exist like that when I
was when you know you heard my story
about the warlock summoning a spirit on
me well the supposedly that's an
elemental spirit that he created like
we're talking about creating toe buds
and stuff that he created this elemental
spirit out of the blackest of night and
you have to use the elements and smoke
and use something from the earth to
create these things I mean even the
Gollum you know what I'm saying from
Jewish lore was made out of the earth
sand ground and so the experience I had
was supposedly with an elemental that
someone's summoned to attack me you know
what I'm saying so that's just kind of
what opened me up to just you know
looking into that kind of stuff and
seeing people use it for their own good
but that's off always backfires and when
you create something like that you need
to handle your business yourself good
sending deities out to fight your
battles for you you know what I'm saying
yeah just like your nasty words on
social media people forgot how to use
these and sometimes that's just what it
used to go back to I mean instead of
this this backbiting crap that goes on I
remember when you just got punched in
the nose dust yourself off and you're
both okay later instead now we've got
bullying that's causing little kids to
kill themselves and stuff and you know
the intention is the most universal
thing there is is intention regardless
if the guy really made a Tulpa or if he
really sent an elemental demon after you
or not he intended for you to be hurt by
his intention you know he he wanted you
to suffer for what you had done and he
had sent that intention out and and for
sure there's different ways it can
manifest but you know I steer a few days
ago about the psychic attack thing and
man that it could be for sure something
to it where you don't have to say
something to someone's face but talk a
lot about that person with someone else
and that vibe could enter and feel and
they could feel that you know yeah
there's been times in my life that I
felt like I've heard conversations
continue after I left you know like
somehow my awareness stayed with ya
conversation I was in before and and
most of the time you just shake it off -
that's my imagination you know that's
just some things I thought that they
would say and something happens to prove
it oh yeah after you left we were
talking about this and then I knew you
were talking about that's crazy yeah and
those confirmations are kind of
interesting to put together you know
like your radio station thing I've
definitely wondered if I'm picking up on
the rotation you know Jason y'all play
every day just like hey we're putting on
the top 40 and Christian music and we're
just gonna play it and do commentary but
I said notice how random was at what
yeah well you talked about like the
power of your words I mean life and
deserts and the power of the tongue and
one of the the main ways I felt it was
when I was going through a lot of that
stuff when I was in church kind of
coming out of it you know I ain't been
in a couple weeks and I would do in
podcast interviews and we would talk
about elementals we were talking about
sungazing we're talking about all this
stuff with the early
days of my podcast and they would talk
about it not with me I wasn't part of
the conversation I would love to have
been you know what do you think about
this you know it's demonic okay whatever
but I was never part of that
conversation it was always being had
without me stay away from him he's into
some things that I was demonic or
whatever the case is you know you hear
all these stuff and I would hear at
third party so I went to a mile I went
back to the old church just after a
couple weeks or whatever and I heard
that so and so it was gossiping and
friends and other friends were there and
they would tell me hey man they said
this but I didn't I took up for you
brought you here just like stuff like
that but then um it was just weird cause
like I went to the church and I even I
knew it I felt it going in or like
alright man I ain't gonna let this stop
me I'm going to support a friend friend
of mine had an album release party and I
would hate to say nope I'm not coming
because I don't like this person you
notice I know you my homey you're
releasing your album I'll be there
nothing's gonna stop me I realize
friendship that should happen now we
look I said oh he's gonna be there I'm
not going right but I went and and I
felt uneasy going but then when I made
eye contact with people they would look
down oh you're here
one of them said well it's almost like a
confirmation right yeah some additional
people who used to embrace you they look
at your name oh Lord oh you were talking
about me you were one of the ones who
were gossiping telling people to stay
away from me and now I'm here you know
what I'm saying oh you know one dude was
like oh man why are you here how didn't
let you in here like I mean how do you
let me in like what's the deal like
which I'll know that I don't know
because you only told me nothing you
know that guilty conscience don't put
you on blast yeah you can feel it you
told my being empathetic being able to
feel you can feel when people are
gossiping around you and and these
people you like these only friends I got
that's all I can really feel people's
intentions you know and and the tricky
part is that people want to fool you
with their intentions this is the part
that always gets me you know people that
are well-meaning and you think they're
there to help and this is where I get
gullible because their intention was to
fool me and as well as I like to believe
in my ability
to discern and and and understand what's
going on if your intention is to fool me
it's probably gonna work
you've just fooled me and so I've had to
learn to be wary about that sort of
thing but I think that we fill each
other's intentions for sure if someone's
intentions driving down the road or
against you you can tell you can tell it
you know I really believe that and maybe
I'm crazy for it but I you know it when
I pass them they flip me off so that
must have been their intention
watch those Instant Karma videos on
YouTube and it's usually people drive
I've experienced stupid stuff you know
yeah Instant Karma man but no you can
feel that and it could be used for good
or bad they're the spiritual gift the
the empathy is not a respecter of
persons you can use it for good or bad
you can use the Kundalini you can use
the Holy Spirit for good or bad now
you're gonna have consequences you're
gonna suffer if you choose the path of
the darkside I mean all of the hero's
journeys have been telling us that star
wars has been telling us that the Bible
the bhagavad-gita all of these holy
books have been telling you choose life
that you may live that's a universal
principle you know you do dirt you get
dirt and it's just part of it and so you
know it's it's not right for no other
reason that it's the right thing to do
it's the right thing to do and Jesus
talked about it over and over
don't let your right hand know what the
left is doing don't give in order to get
just give because you're just a good
dude good because you really give
because you really care about people
spend time with that person you know go
above and beyond and you and you're
gonna get that stuff in return when you
need it you know I talked about the the
weird stuff I experienced it with all
the gossip and the backbiting and people
can't look me in the eyes and stuff like
that that I experienced when I was going
through that stuff but I mean I just I
even that as much as that hurt and it
was just a weird thing to be a part of
like in probably just as much of that as
I received with exposing ministers and
calling people false prophets and in
exposing doctrine and I mean even but
you know we used to have billboards with
like preacher would Benny Hinn and
creflo dollar and we'd hold them up and
say these were money like we used we
were no joke when we really took that
stuff serious you know and so I really
believe that uh I just got a taste of my
own medicine and which is universal law
whatever you put out is gonna come back
to you and eventually I got to feel what
it feels like to gossip I got to feel
what it feels like to expose somebody to
laugh at them in their calamity you know
what I'm saying all that stuff and so
you know that's the best teacher is to
go through it and learn for yourself and
you and you like I say you you know how
you learn how to quit gossiping about
people know what it feels like when
people gossip about you that's how you
learn you know how to learn how to not
steal not just because you know it's the
right thing you ever been stole from you
know yeah it sucks you somebody steal
something from you and break your window
or have your friends steal from you like
yeah you go through it you learn from it
and you know you you're better because
of it if you respond you know with love
and that's what we're supposed to do
yeah I'm bad about carried terrible
thoughts sometimes about people
especially the material is stuff when I
see people that are just just to just
you can tell that they spend every bit
of their money on trying to look like
they have so much money yeah just these
things get to me and I'm looking at
people and I see this stuff and I don't
mean for it to affect me but it does
I've got this opinion I've made on
somebody and then later I'm going man
that was not not how I meant to be you
know but then the next time it happens I
do it again you know each day trying to
do it a little less but each day
probably having a little fun with it too
you know interesting thing because I
don't think that's wrong I don't think
that it's that it's right to be so
materialistic in life but that doesn't
give me the right to be the judge of
that even though I take that right
sometimes so kind of keep that in check
sometimes but you know that's that's the
path we all work is walk is trying to
keep ourselves in check on those things
that we know we do wrong you know those
things that don't serve us I should say
rather than wrong because right and
wrong is so subjective in some ways but
does it
revue does it make you better does it
make you a more bitter person and some
of those things make me a more bitter
person but I try to stay the best I
can't aware of them and not do them and
that's that's the diligence that we have
to go through in life that's the
diligence that Jesus was teaching us you
know you know sometimes I'm on the fence
with Jesus was he really a messiah that
died on the cross and send it to heaven
and resurrection was all of this stuff
legit and very well maybe I've also
heard stories that there was different
people involved and that took him off
the cross and reviving he lived his days
out in India there's stories like if
Rock there's different stories but one
thing that can't be denied about Jesus
is the example that you read about is
the perfect example of how to be and the
teachings are sound and the ethics are
there and if that's what you need to
learn how to be a better person then you
need to get that book open and take a
look at it exactly understand you know
there's people who accept him for dying
on the cross for hit for their sins but
they don't accept him for being a better
person and doing what he said do he said
why do you say you love me and you don't
obey me it's like I'm interested in the
people who obeyed me without being told
blessed are them who who keep my word
and they have not even seen me they
don't even they've never even met me but
they're by nature doing the very things
that I told them to do they're very
conscious bears witness I didn't have to
tell them to keep telling you over and
over and over to do what's right
they know what's right and they do it
you know and this is Christ taught that
man you know and it becomes again the
spiritual supernatural Jesus down on our
cross Donald across were sins becomes
very practical and we have to take up
our own cross and follow him like he
said really do what he did and that's
how we make a difference in the world
just accepting him as Savior that's you
know what's that you use not you have to
accept him as Lord follow him let him be
your teacher endure to the end
yeah yeah I don't don't give up man so
that's what it is man I enjoyed this
conversation garner go ahead and plug
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let people know where they can pick up
your your your latest book and all that
kind I don't have links if I run across
you and I can help you with a little bit
of wisdom I'm glad to help see you
wherever I see you see ya and I'll see
you this weekend man we are because we
have a tribe of community of people that
we try to hold together online on
through a discord which the very name of
discord means like confusion and stuff
right well we're trying to make it work
and take advantage of the technology and
be connected so with that being said
we're gonna be able to meet each other
for the first time this weekend we're
gonna go to the beach and hang out and
you're dropping from across the country
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work that's what we do it's about
community I really believe that man you
know each time believing that it's about
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man so thank you so much for hanging out
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we'll do it again human piece of Shalom
man peace
Chris Garner ladies and gentlemen a good
guy we need more people like him we need
more people like him in the earth
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