Did We Go To The Moon? Was The Moon Landing A Hoax? | Dan Smotz

Did We Go To The Moon? Was The Moon Landing A Hoax? | Dan Smotz
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gonna be talking about the moon-landing
and all that kind of stuff going in on
that and then a lot of people have a lot
of strong opinions when it comes to the
moon in NASA and Flat Earth and how what
where all this stuff kind of fits
together so we're gonna get it in here
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is
dan smotes from the the system is down
podcast what is that my brother what's
up Jay has Gillman going good man
excited to kind of get into this
discussion here with you today you had
me on your podcasts over a year ago and
I'm glad I was able to return the favor
and get you on mine so we did a really
good show together on yours about
talking to Jesus through the third eye
and spirituality in the Bible and all
that kind of stuff so you guys sorts a
heretical stuff yeah yeah right so all
of you guys who haven't heard that
podcast make sure you go look it up on
the system is down so we did a really
cool episode so I'm gonna plug that so
yeah man what have you been up to I know
you have the documentary that you're
working on and trying to raise some
funding for that we're gonna get into
that whole subject matter but you know
as you I'm saying in general I mean what
you've been up to sure yeah well first
off I gotta say I'm battling a head cold
here so hopefully this isn't like gross
ASMR for anybody listening but yeah the
show is going great we just we just
passed a hundred episodes and move it on
to different things we were doing two
different shows per week and now I've
had to cut out the second show where we
were covering the news because anytime
to work on to work on things that I
think are more important which is this
documentary or I've just been getting
into whether or not we went to the moon
because I think that this is an
important topic to open back up and
something that a lot of people just kind
of poke fun at and has kind of gone to
the wayside is like the oh yeah
conspiracy theory whatever [Â __Â ] and
stuff do you cuss on the show I should
ask Oh try not to it's okay you know
because YouTube's getting really weird
with that now share it oh yeah alright
I'll try and put a little in it but yeah
that's pretty much it that in Bunch
music bunch of everything it's life
trying to figure out what's going on in
the world you know like so you're making
music - oh yeah I'm always making music
I'm in about three four I don't know
I've lost count of how many projects I'm
working on at the moment of fantasizing
this morning about being in a band again
but there's no time for it I would love
to do it and start that that that
project but there's just no time if you
got this point man you know yeah I'm
grateful and blessed enough that the
guys that I made music with in high
school they've all kind of came back to
the same area over time so we just kind
of get together and we'll play a show
here and there we'll put out music here
and there so it's not like a band like
that we do on the regular but it gives
us an outlet when we we have the itch we
can just throw it out there and don't
have to worry about it so it's nice for
sure man
I guess moving forward let's give just
give a little bit of background about
your religious upbringing do you
consider yourself a Christian or you a
follower of Christ I know you have that
background where are you now when it
comes to religion and Jesus yeah man I
came from a very conservative Christian
background my dad was pastor and
everything you had some issues with that
that kind of I mean nothing against my
parents or anything but some of that
fundamentalism it kind of pushed me away
from Christianity for a while and pushed
me away from I mean I went down
different avenues explored different
things like maybe there is no God that
type of thing but yeah at the moment I
am open-minded to whatever whatever
truth is I'm open to it because you know
it I yes
to put it simply I do consider myself a
Christian and at this point in time and
I know it's probably not heretical to
your listenership but like you know if
I'm proven wrong then that just is what
it is if I find out that there is no God
or something if I am definitively proven
that then really think that there's a
God and a creator an all Supreme Being
that created you and he's afraid of your
questioning things and yeah you being
open to like truth in general if he's
mad at that then you know I don't
understand him maybe that's on me I
don't know yeah that's so weird right
being scared to ask the questions early
on hey bro I shouldn't be looking into
that you should be hold on there's a
hunger inside me and somebody put it
there like I didn't make this all right
you know so asking those questions or
whatever yes some people you know
get to kind of taboo hey man I know you
think it but don't speak it out loud you
know those kind of things man that's
cool bro so I wanted to just just to
kind of see where you were moving
forward just like a frame of reference
and stuff what about what about I guess
moving forward to set the stage because
some of these questions maybe change you
know the questions moving forward in the
way you're gonna respond to what some of
these questions I have for you about the
moon and things like that flat earth
what are you staying with that because
that could change everything as far as
the planets and which they are and we're
you know if the moon Eve is is real if
it's in our atmosphere you know I'm
saying what do you feel about Flat Earth
I like it I like it as a thought
experiment I like all the people that
are digging into it I think it's really
fascinating and interesting it's one of
my favorite theories actually I've gone
on several podcasts defending the theory
just saying you know these people aren't
nut jobs they're not crazy just because
they think this way I'm not convinced
I'm open to it
as far as like the moon landing stuff
I'm kind of having to take all the other
possibilities and set them aside a
little bit just to kind of laser focus
in on one thing because if you know if
you get into it it's like well did we go
to the moon and then you start out with
well also maybe the Earth's flat and
also maybe the moon doesn't exist like
you got a you got to get off the train
somewhere if you're gonna talk about if
you're gonna make a documentary about
one specific topic I like digging into
all the things man and I'm open to them
but I mean it's really like the moon
landing in particular you don't have to
be like a crazy conspiracy theorist or
anything to accept the idea that maybe
your government lied to you about
something like it's a it's a pretty
simple simple concept really if you dig
into a lot of what could have happened
and I think it's something that in
history has gotten people to you know
get the wheels to start turning start
thinking outside of the box and so I
think that it's okay to to not throw in
everything right off the bat I'm just
kind of presented as you know maybe
maybe you're wrong about something maybe
you don't understand something maybe you
should humble yourself a little bit to
be open-minded about this thing and it
all starts with one thing nobody usually
goes in but
with like the moon 911 problem it's
usually this one thing that kind of
catches your attention and then it opens
up the door well if they lied about this
maybe maybe they lied about that maybe
they've been troops or whatever so we're
talking about the moon-landing 911 all
of you know JFK there's different things
that kind of you know wake people up and
for me it was the conspiracies came a
little bit after the you know the whole
church thing because I kind of felt like
I looked at the government the same as a
teenager or a kid I looked at the
government the same way I looked at the
church like these people are not gonna
lie to you they're here to help you they
have your best interest in mind and then
you start finding out about the stuff
going on in the church that these people
are only after money and they've been
true to a certain type of way to you
know have this type of scenario that
they want to present and the same things
happening within the government and
terminologies and Bill's and puppets and
people and faces and and then conspiracy
theories and stuff aside finding out all
the stuff was real you know what I'm
saying I think it was like you know I'm
saying like 9/11 was the first thing
that really did it for me was getting
into some type of conspiracy stuff say
hold on somebody's not telling the truth
here you know then you get into you know
tower Tower 7 you know this tower like
there's so many people don't even know
about that you know this building just
kind of collapsed by itself that you
know no plane hit or whatever so anyway
there's a bunch of them out there and
it's usually something an alarm that
wakes people up you know what I'm saying
and it could be anything good most
people started out with Alex Jones
watching his stuff how big he is and
most people don't really follow his work
anymore they kind of laugh at him now to
see what he's kind of become you know
saying more of a show man or whatever
and stuff like that but uh but a lot of
people started out with Alex Jones and
they started out with or the false
prophets in the church and stuff like
that so something when you're not even
you just kind of lose faith in this type
of system that you thought was for you
what was it that kind of did it for you
at the beginning as far as conspiracies
or
he's all religion I mean to me they were
like the same time almost you know sure
yeah it's good question I I don't know
as far as religion it might have lined
up pretty similarly to you to what
you're saying but I can't say for sure
but yeah as far as the conspiracy stuff
I'm as all my listeners know I'm not a
big Alex Jones fan
I think the dude's kind of a showboater
and it kind of makes everybody who digs
into the stuff look like crazy people um
you know I might even go to the extent
to say that it might not be an accident
that he's doing that but I would say
that he did have a big part in me
starting to get into it like I had heard
bits and pieces about things here and
there but you know starting to look into
9/11 Bohemian Grove and all that type
stuff from Alex Jones and his
documentaries before the like long
before Donald Trump was in the picture
before he was like before Alex Jones was
like this political figure to push a
candidate or anything like that which is
pretty much what he is now sprinkle in
some you know gay frogs here and there
and some crazy stuff but yeah like just
some of the stuff that he dug into early
on and in the early days of Alex Jones
I'm glad that he took the time back then
to make documentaries back when I think
that he was more open and honest about
his discoveries I could be wrong I don't
know but it's back before he spent
literally five hours a day yelling into
a microphone when he was just doing like
research and exploring and that's kind
of what got me into it a little bit I
think there was some stuff before that I
don't remember exactly but yeah I think
was 9/11 when I started digging into
like Sandy Hook Boston Marathon bombing
all that type of stuff and then you know
you know how the YouTube trails used to
be as you know back when we were allowed
to be recommended the other you know
conspiracy videos instead that before
they were dangerous like they are here
in night 20:19 yeah I mean I think my
heart just skipped a beat when you said
Sandy Hook you know I feel like I feel
like the channels
gonna be deleted again right you know
what I'm saying like you have to concern
about that now it's ridiculous yeah
really weird
um I think Bohemian Grove was a big one
because the whole fact that you're
leaders you know not only are they lying
to you but they're doing some pretty
weird shady stuff behind the scenes
right and it gets into homosexual gay
party weekends and cocaine but George
Bush and all of these other leaders and
stuff and they're taking pictures with
these known gay porn stars who were
there at the Grove for the weekend and
you start digging a little bit deeper in
as a hold on these people aren't these
conservative cookie cutter Christians
that they write you know say pretty much
say that they are then you find other
footage of them making fun of Christians
but they're writing as to Christian
candidate you know and just I hold on
something's not adding asking questions
man but the fact that I mean even if you
said it is veer ceased let me say you
know if you like set conspiracy like I
mean our brains have a tendency to jump
to the craziest possible conclusion a
lot of the time but even if you set all
that aside it's like if you if there's
any you know you take something like
Bohemian Grove or like spirit cooking
stuff like that like if these people are
involved in this this crazy stuff
whatsoever like even if they just showed
up like why don't we know about this
stuff it seems like as public servants
as they're supposed to be we should at
least know that they're going to the
these weird rituals and things just even
as spectators like at the very who just
want very minor but like we why don't we
hear about this in our history books why
don't we hear about this anywhere like
why do we have to go and explore for
ourselves to find out that these are
happening if you don't that you
literally have no idea that it's going
on but I don't know it's like our type
of personalities were like yep that
makes sense everybody else it's like
they're like no obviously that's not
happening but it is happening and it's
been proven that it's happening why
aren't we talking about it like why it's
not a conspiracy theory it's happening
these people are doing some weird crazy
stuff so well why can't we talk about it
yep it just leads to more conspiracy
theories man he's just got to look into
it yep so okay so let's uh let's I get
to the documentary about the moons your
moon landing was it faked you working on
a documentary the moon the myth the
legend I remember around that same time
a hearing for the first time that uh you
know I was working with some inmates at
the time and uh while work for the city
we worked with prisoners and one of them
mentioned that the the moon landing was
fake I thought it was the most hilarious
crazy idea ever because if you trust the
church you trust the government the
television the news they told you it was
real you just took it and that was the
gospel that was truth because they told
you any inmate told me that a strange
and then I got into 9/11 those
documentaries and stuff but for the
first one that I heard was the moon
landing and so talk a little bit about
what you're bringing to the table with
this documentary because it's done in a
little bit of a I'm saying different way
there's tons of moon um st.
documentaries and expose days and study
what's different about yours because
you're approaching it a little bit
different right yeah absolutely
well I'm trying to I'm trying to
approach it as humbly as I possibly can
like I'm open to being proven wrong 100%
and in I know a lot of people say that
and you you might not believe me but I
actually am look I'm I didn't go into
this as like you know I don't think we
went to the moon and I'm going to prove
that we didn't go to the moon honestly
before starting to dig into it for this
documentary I knew a little bit here and
there about like the Van Allen radiation
belts and stuff like that some of the
just little bits and pieces of the the
theories around it I had no idea though
like my biggest thing with this
documentary is to try and figure out why
why you know if you go up to somebody
and you're like hey did we go to do you
think that we went to the moon and they
say no why are you allowed to call them
stupid media laughter like uh that's
kind of okay sorry my brains all over
the place but like if I tell somebody
that I don't think that we went to the
moon and they tell me I'm stupid and
then
ask them you know well what do you know
about the moon landings and they don't
know anything they don't know like what
dates we went how many people have gone
how many people have walked on the moon
what the process was what the years were
what presidential administration it was
under how many countries like if they
don't know any of those things then why
are they allowed to call me stupid like
you don't know you don't know the
official story let alone what the theory
is that I'm presenting to you so why
don't we we all just kind of calm down
and take our take ourselves down a
couple notches and just talk about this
because like there's some stuff here
like whether even if I was 100% a
believer in the idea that we went to the
moon and all the official stories are
accurate everything's correct there's
enough evidence to the contrary to not
call somebody else stupid that has
looked into it and come to that
conclusion so why are we allowed to call
them stupid like like the whole point of
my show is just to kind of show like
people are people we all have different
variables we all come from different
backgrounds in life and you know the
person that you disagree with online the
person that you're screaming at and
shouting it they're not your enemy
they're just somebody who came to a
different conclusion than you so let's
chill out and let's talk about it a
little bit yeah the problem you're
typing to in all caps
he's you're not something different
exactly like you'll find that we have a
lot in common and you know Humanity is I
think that if there's any point to all
of this even as a Christian it's
probably trying to it's probably the
point is to work together try and figure
out what the point is so let's just calm
down a little bit and stop throwing
stones but I think yeah I think
everybody already knows what the point
is and that's the problem they've
already got it figured out at 16 years
old 18 years old whatever you know and
that's the thing like I think that all
of humanity has this huge pride issue
and I've been seeing it more and more
like everybody insists that they know
things they know they know they know
like you've got it all figured out well
I mean just one specific example
scientists just came out and saying in
mainstream media that the moon is now
in the Earth's atmosphere and it always
was it's like well okay think about that
for a second we knew everything a second
ago
and now we got new information and we're
like okay sure we just accept it move on
but you don't stop and think about wait
that time when I was shouting and saying
that I knew everything I didn't know
everything I knew pretty much nothing so
I'm proposing that we don't know
anything because if you can be proven
wrong then you know you you didn't know
you didn't know you were convinced of
something and that's fine that's that's
normal but yeah just humble yourself
enough to you accept new evidence to the
contrary what you've been done what was
it that actually did it for you
at first when it comes to the moon
landing to even question something like
this was a documentary that you saw was
there certain theory was it that the
flag was blowing like it was blowing in
the wind which was a huge one for me you
know there's no gravity or the different
gravity and if you jump to you know if
you jump too high you may float away you
know but the the right and the flag is
blowing like it's blowing in the wind
instead of going straight up
yeah whatever that's that's something
that kind of does it for me but what was
it for you to make you at least question
this whole thing but if I can ask like
how much have you dug into this topic
it's not a lie I've heard but I do a lot
of different theories on it but I can't
say that I agree or believe any of them
you know what I'm saying I don't because
I don't know but I'm right discussion so
right I don't have a stand I'm like you
I have no dog in the fight it doesn't
change the you know the price of rice in
China it doesn't have anything to do
with me and that's the thing I feel like
people on both sides of this argument
are claiming to know things when they
haven't actually dug into it for the
most part like the conspiracy minded
people they're like yeah we didn't go to
the moon or we did go to the moon but
you ask them questions they don't know
and say I'm on the other side and same
for me like I'm not like speaking down
to anybody cuz until I started digging
into it I was like yeah probably not
and then like there's mountains and
mountains of evidence actually so some
of the the main things like there's tons
and tons of main things but
some of the things that really have
started out on the process trying to be
unbiased as possible and the more I dig
into it the harder it is for me to be
unbiased because you know I'm gonna be
completely honest with that in the
documentary I'm a human so I have a bias
but the more I dig into it the more it's
just like okay come on there's no way
that this is real but do you know
anything about like the the Van Allen
radiation belts or anything like that a
little bit somebody brought that up to
me today Danni Guerrero talked a little
bit about it and how they all have
different experiences about what had
happened when we passed through there is
that what you're talking about yeah well
yeah most people don't don't know that
according to NASA that's that's okay
we'll come back to that but there's
these these radiation belts around the
earth that are between us and the moon
or the moon is like within them and
leading up to 1969 when the first moon
landing happened they were dangerous
radiation belts that we could not get
through we could not figure out how to
get through a blah blah blah
apparently the radiation belts shut down
for about a span of about four years so
that we could make all these missions
happen and we didn't talk about the
belts for four years and then afterwards
there's dangerous radiation belts around
the earth that we're gonna have to try
and figure out how to get through and
NASA now is trying to figure out how to
get through these radiation belts don't
we do that in a tin can in 1969 why are
we trying now to figure out how to get
through these dangerous radiation belts
but the problem with that argument is
NASA is the one like without NASA like
if I'm being open and honest without
NASA I don't know that there's radiation
belts surrounding the earth so I have to
trust NASA when they say that there's
radiation belts surrounding the earth
and I have to trust NASA when they say
when I when they say that they got
through the belts without any
explanation so it's kind of like a
back-and-forth conundrum but I'm not
saying that this is the end-all argument
because it all relies on NASA but all
I'm saying is the things that NASA said
leading up to 1969 don't agree with the
things that NASA said from 1969 to 1972
and that doesn't agree with what NASA is
saying now so
just strange things and there was a
documentary
there's guy Bert's a Braille you've seen
you've probably seen the footage of the
dude getting punched by Buzz Aldrin
yeah be here yeah yeah that's
bart sibrel he's made a couple
documentaries about the moon he made a
funny thing happened on the way to the
moon which is great one and he made
astronauts gone wild and in the latter
documentary it's basically just him
going up to these astronauts and kind of
sneak attack interviewing them and
getting them to own up to some things
and he asks one of the astronauts I
remember which one it is offhand but he
asks him like so how did you guys
navigate through the the main island
radiation belts and the astronaut was
like well I don't think we went up high
enough to get through the belts Bart's
like well alright there are uh there are
a thousand miles out he's like oh well
then yeah we must have just went
straight through him like the astronauts
man who one of 12 people who have got
who have pulled this off his life was in
jeopardy and he doesn't know anything
about three NL and radiation belts like
it took a documentarian
telling like just some layperson telling
him where these things are you would
think that he would have a little bit
more knowledge about that but I don't
know yeah there's a comment here from
Sean Becker and a lot of people talking
about this anyway NASA
he says NASA lies about everything I'm
sure you've seen I think the Flat Earth
is really really kind of kind of hone in
on this is the fact that the word NASA
in Hebrew means to deceive have you are
you are you aware of that that's pretty
interesting right I've heard it I
haven't verified it first I have pulled
it up a Maya yeah I pulled it up on my
um my Bible Strong's Concordance app
sure so that's why I do all my research
and stuff but yeah you type in deceive
and it ends up and that's it it's it's
real like it really means that in Hebrew
Nassau Nassau on Nassau very strange
that's interesting because you have a do
you have a flat earther community that
follow you
um there's there's a guy in here now the
hoary sheets show every time I see him
go live he's talking about flat earths
and he's got a decent following so uh
I've got some I've got some flat earth
friends you know um cool
you know I just never know what the
audience is that we're both man is
definitely both yeah sure cool
definitely both um
it's weird for me with the Flat Earth
thing because I have friends who believe
it so and that's why I asked you at the
beginning because it changes the
conversation right when we're talking
about aliens and ETS and other planets
they don't believe in any of that it
changes to interdimensional and Hollow
Earth and all those type of things and
there's no life outside of Earth's like
there's this water and nothingness and
there's some some great theories that
they bring to the table I can definitely
say this with the whole flatter of thing
I'm not on either side I'm like you I'm
open I haven't came out and said what I
was or whatever but they have a lot of
good theories and here's one thing
though I believe that um if the earth
isn't flat then the people who wrote the
holy books were deceived because they
didn't understand science or their right
and NASA and science are lying to us for
some reason bodies lying with the -
because when it when we see all the maps
and all the they're different the
different land masses and the four
corners of the earth they bring a lot of
good stuff to the table and one thing
that was interesting that I heard from
some flat-earthers recently is the fact
that when you look at stars then stars
are twinkling and changing colors and
stuff and they mentioned the fact that
it looks like looking at a light in a
fishbowl
like if I'm looking at a light under
water the way it twinkles and kind of
moves and glistens with the Corona
effect it def and stars definitely look
like that to the naked eye so that was a
interesting theory that outer space was
water in you know I'm saying outside of
the Earth's Earth's atmosphere which
would kind of make sense about the
firmament and all that kind of stuff I
don't want to turn this into a flat
earth show but you know
moving forward when you would talk about
the moon there is no moon you talk about
planets or Mars and I'm gonna kind of go
into some of that but uh it changes the
way people feel about a lot of that
stuff right yeah absolutely
like I said I'm just trying to take as
much of a a grounded approach and set
all that stuff aside as much as I love
it nothing against the flat earthers
love you guys and I there's a good part
of me that it's one of you but I'm
trying to just present this like as kind
of a nerd I want to make it entertaining
I want to make it funny and humble and
you know just you know like we can take
all the spirituality out of it we can
take like if you strip back all the
layers of the conspiracy stuff if you
strip back all the everything else this
is a really simple one this is really
really simple that's the thing about the
moon-landing is like if you tell
somebody that you think that the moon
landing was a hoax they're like yeah so
how many people had to have to know
about this giant cover-up but you know
the teachers like oh you know all the
teachers know about it you know it's
like no no no it's not like all these
people got together in a giant warehouse
and they said okay we're gonna we're
gonna deceive everyone I mean the
simplest way like the most realistic
take away all the conspiracy stuff it
was a business you know this this they
wanted to go to the moon and they
realized that they couldn't and so they
faked it
simple as that like it and if you can
accept that which is not a far stretch
then what else then we can explore like
this is just kind of oh no no no me who
sent to the towards that though is that
what you're leaning towards that it
didn't happen and that they wanted to
say you know we did it we beat you to it
like what the space race so are you yeah
basically I'm pretty well convinced and
I'm gonna be honest
in the documentary I am starting out
this journey pretty convinced that that
is the case and like the space race we
we just all hear space race were like oh
we were trying to get
the moon first blah blah blah that's not
even the case Russia kind of gave up
long before and well Russia put the
first satellite into orbit and Sputnik
supposedly unless you're flat earther
that that's why I say you got it you got
to leave it he had to leave that stuff
aside otherwise you can go on tangent
for every single thing I say do that
anyway without being a flat earther you
know right so uh Russia put the first
satellite into orbit and then they put
the first man into orbit Yuri Gagarin
and then we started this quote-unquote
space race and we started like the
Gemini missions and the Apollo missions
and stuff most people don't even know
that Apollo 1 do you know what happen to
Apollo 1 mission was that the one that
exploded
yeah just burned up on the on the launch
pad we don't like that's not in our
history books for some reason we just
start with Apollo 11 we don't care about
you know Apollo's 1 through 10 where we
were going
financially bankrupt and the whole
program was almost shut down before it
started yeah like we were doing terribly
and we only talked about the victories
in our history which is yeah we did it
good job guys and I don't talk about it
from there yeah but yeah we we were like
if you dig into the history as far as I
can tell we were in this quote-unquote
space race and we were failing horribly
but there was all this propaganda out
there with Disney and everybody's saying
when when we get to the moon this is
what's gonna look like this this this
propaganda all over the place
to kids and everything and Kennedy comes
out and says you know within the next 10
years we're gonna put a man on the moon
we choose to go to the moon all that
speech and everything so we had this big
idea that we are going to be this
awesome force to be reckoned with we are
Americans hurray
this is also around the time of you know
Vietnam cold war all that stuff so we we
really needed a win ten years coming up
and we're failing horribly Russia
actually there their head guy died and
they had a couple failed missions and
they they dropped out of the race long
before we supposedly crossed the
fish line we don't talk about that in
history because isn't it isn't it just
so American to you know make up your own
race and then move the goal post and
then fake the goal post and then say you
did it and stick a big old American flag
in the studio and say good job you guys
but so all this is going down and we get
to the the ten year mark and people at
NASA people who have dedicated like
devoted all their life to this project
are like dropping like flies like the
one of the the head guys James Webb
NASA Administrator it was like very
shortly before we pull off this mission
that like the biggest thing in human
history
he just retires he was like no I'm not
gonna have any part in this and then we
had an astronaut and like the second in
command or something like three or four
different guys like some of the main
people at NASA just bail right before as
most people don't know under the Nixon
administration we all know how honest
that man was known for being all under
the Nixon administration we put a man on
the moon first trap pull it off got it
nobody died
everything's good to go and that's how
history will read because yeah America I
don't know
are you familiar are you familiar with
the Joe Rogan stance on the moon landing
have you heard him talk about it at all
so he believes that we went but the
footage got destroyed from the radiation
got erased you know almost like maybe
holding a magnet up to a you know
cassette tape back in the day or VHS it
would it would mess it up so he believes
that and then so to have proof they had
to kind of reshoot the footage to kind
of write what sets it seems great see
anyway they would just tell hey we had
footage but you got to leave it and be
honest about it versus like you know
doing some kind of hoax or whatever the
case is right well that's the thing like
some a lot of the issue with the
official story is the tapes like the
footage in the the pictures and stuff
they supposedly went through this
mass amounts of radiation which would
have if you put it through an x-ray
machine at an airport it would have been
destroyed so they went through all this
radiation to get to in front to the moon
and back so how did the the footage come
out so clean and clear that's one of the
arguments but also how did the people
get through the radiation and back like
people assume that there's like some
sort of lead casing or something but it
this is literally like they had to use
the most lightweight material just thin
aluminum to be able to get off the
ground with this thing
so yeah Joe Rogan's idea of which he
used to be a complete denier of the the
moon landing and now he as far as I can
tell he's just kind of open minded and
he's I think he still thinks that it was
fake honestly cuz every time he brings
it up he's like yeah I used to be a
total denier and they're like it's the
his guests will say something like how
could you possibly think that he's like
well it makes a lot of sense and then he
goes down this rabbit trail of how it
makes sense that we didn't go to the
moon so I think that he honestly doesn't
think that we've gone but he's humble
enough to say you know I don't know
because I'm not a rocket scientist I'm
not gonna stake my claim there but yeah
the whole footage thing to accept that
we went to the moon and we had the
technology to get men there and back
through radiation through all this stuff
and when they got back they're like oh
crap
our Polaroids are all messed up so we
gotta go through we got to stage this
hoax just because our footage got messed
up I find that hard to believe if they
were going I mean if they didn't want
people to ask questions they should have
came out and said if that were the case
that just seems so far-fetched to me
that they wouldn't just be like crap
sorry guys we went there but our footage
is messed up so we're gonna stage it
over here like come on come on there's a
lot of um you know theories in the UFO
community as well that talked about that
the moon was placed there as a border
like we can't go past the moon right and
it was like almost
there as a marker somewhere that we
can't go past there's a this I'm just
gonna throw this this at you I'm gonna
read this it's a scripture let's see I
don't know if you've ever heard of this
but I was in the Hebrew Israelite
movement for some time and they are
really against the white man you know
the white man is the devil II saw all of
these type of things and so whenever it
appears in the Bible Esau and in Israel
destroying Esau God hated Esau they
believe that this is the government of
people we would call the government of
the white men are the people who are
like the world rulers or whatever and
that could be different people it
doesn't even have to be white people
essentially this is what they believe
but there's this weird um scripture in
the book of Obadiah who we really don't
hear quoted at all in charges or
anything in Obadiah is only one chapter
right and and so this is a prophecy
against Edom or the [Â __Â ] which they
believe are the you know the ruling
elite that destroyed the earth and do
all types of wickedness in the earth
right and then there was this really
weird scripture that they would use and
say that this okay I'm just gonna read
it Obadiah chapter one there's only one
chapter division of Obadiah thus saith
the Lord God concerning you know
concerning Edom we have heard a rumor
from the Lord and the ambassador is sent
among the heathen arise II and let us
rise up against her in battle behold I
have made these small among the heathen
thou art greatly despised the pride of
dying heart hath deceived thee in a
central here this is the interesting
part it says doubt that dwelleth in the
clefts of the rocks whose habitation is
high that say it in his heart who shall
bring us down to the ground verse 4 thou
shall exalt thyself as the eagle and
they would always say the Eagle
represents America in in Bible prophecy
- I'll exalt thyself as the eagle it's
on the coin it's
the dollars on everything you know the
ego freedom and thou shalt set thy nest
among the stars Vince I will bring thee
down saith the Lord so they would paint
this picture of the the [Â __Â ] or
mankind trying to go and dwell up there
where God is and they used this
scripture and a bunch of other scripture
that they would tie together and say
that we're going to try to get to outer
space some even say to overthrow God to
come and I'm saying ain't claim up our
place amongst the stars but the book of
Obadiah it's a really obscure a verse
there that says that uh that they
thought to set their nest amongst the
Stars and I said if you do God's gonna
cut you down because I mean if we look
at the whole Genesis 6 thing the Angels
sin because they came to Earth and it
was supposed to stay in heaven they came
to earth and took wives and all that
kind of stuff they tried to go back and
then they said nope you can't come back
up here you wasn't supposed to leave in
the first place you're not supposed to
be on earth doing that essentially this
it's like the reverse of it like mankind
is trying to say you know what we're
going to heaven we're gonna make our
abode on these other planets we don't
want to be here anymore we're going to
the Stars which I mean Elon Musk and
there's a whole bunch of stuff out there
with this kind of stuff but it's very
interesting is that we're not supposed
to be up there or we're going there to
try to make sense of all of this stuff
or overthrow God have you ever heard any
of any of that kind of stuff it's a very
interesting scripture to say that's a
lot that's a lot and me and it's just so
interesting when you bring up this topic
depending on who you talk to where the
conversation can go because like 48
hours ago I was talking to a guy who
insists that we had to have gone to the
moon and we had a very very dry
conversation about just the facts and
now we're talking about spiritual stuff
I love it I'm not yeah I would much
rather dig into the crazy spiritual
stuff because I love digging into that
stuff yeah yeah it's certainly possible
if you can accept any of the spiritual
stuff which like I said I got to kind of
even take
Christianity out of the the documentary
because it has to be under two hours or
three hours or five hours I mean there's
so much to this thing that it could be
like I'm serious right so you got a like
I gotta figure out where it's gonna go
and yeah that's the hard part drive in
that direction that's the hard problem
yeah but I mean there's certainly a part
of me that thinks that there's something
to that and you know the the Tower of
Babel and everything we're always trying
to we're trying to have this power we're
always trying to find a Claro way out of
whatever is and figure out what's going
on and for some reason it seems
throughout history that we keep being
pushed back down like humble yourself
style don't worry I've got this
basically so yeah I think it's really
interesting and it's very possible yeah
yeah once you get so high you kind of
get you to kind of push that reset
button no once we are you know
technology advances so far with these
previous you know cycles of civilization
and ancient loom area and uh you know
Babylon and Egypt and all the different
technologies that was believed that they
had at the time or whatever and it's
like somebody pushes the you know I'm
saying reset button whoever does that or
if it's just a cycle that happens if the
even even if that's a conspiracy who
knows but yeah I was still hurting in
ufology community that you were warned
not to come back to the moon we can't go
to it there's some audio recordings and
then again who knows which of these
recordings are are real and people are
staged and fake NASA recordings and
stuff like that but there's a lot of
recordings like from the moon and the
missions to the moon where they're
saying hey we're being followed by these
UFOs and people saying they were being
watched the whole time while they were
on the moon those theories have you
heard anything about that as far as you
know being warned not to come back have
you looked into that at all I have
looked into it a little bit it's it's
tough because in order to accept those
theories you have to accept that we were
able to get to the moon like you have to
believe that the government was right in
the official story and we got to the
I'm having a hard time accepting that we
went to the moon
yeah I'm open to being proven wrong but
as far as I can see in in my digging
thus far and again I'll keep saying it
I'm open I'm open I'm open to being
proven wrong but it seems to me as
though we try to pull the thing off we
couldn't pull it off so we faked it and
then we told everybody hey we did it
because here we are I I certainly enjoy
entertaining the idea of we went to the
moon and yeah aliens told us don't ever
come back here right you know so I'm
open to it but I don't think that we
went to the moon so it's hard for me to
really go down that trail but yeah as
far as the documentary goes you know it
again it's I'm kind of just trying to
make a doorway to open people's minds to
the idea that you might not know things
you might not know everything and I
can't go down every rabbit trail That's
not me trying to chill or cover up
anything that I know the top of has work
right I know how you guys work it's not
me yeah if somebody shows me clear to
find evidence that aliens are out there
and they told us not to go to the moon
fine I guess the documentary will go in
that direction but um the main thing I
want is to use this as a way to for
generations in the future to at least at
the very very least look at history and
be humble enough to go hey I might not
know anything I might not know
everything at the very least and you
know maybe there's something to this at
the at the very least maybe the person
who is looking at evidence and knows
more than this about me maybe they're
not insane maybe they're not stupid
maybe they're not [Â __Â ] or whatever
so maybe I should just humble myself and
listen to them so that's it like if
there's mountains of evidence to that
point me in the direction that I'm going
you probably have mountains of evidence
pointing you toward aliens whatever
that's fine but the vast majority of the
people out there aren't even looking at
this
they don't even care there they're just
calling us all crazy so if we can get
them to at least open their mind a
little bit to start listening to to you
know the simplest the simplest equation
that says maybe the government lies then
we can talk about aliens we can talk
about all the other stuff maybe we can
have open dialogue about everything but
you got to start somewhere
definitely it's an interesting place to
start
um you mentioned Buzz Aldrin I'm sure
you've seen the footage of supposedly
and I kind of got a bone to pick with we
are changed movement that kind of took
that clip and tried to make it go viral
and stuff
Luke radowski but the whole he did an
interview with a little kid and he kind
of missed oak I think he slurred his
word and he I think he kind of explained
himself at the the further he went but
they took a clip of him talking to a
little girl and he and she said you know
do you think we went to the moon or you
know why didn't we go back to the moon
and he tried to explain why we didn't go
back and and they people were thinking
that he was saying that we didn't go
like he was admitting great that we
didn't go I think he meant I don't think
he was saying that you know how are you
familiar with that clip I am very
familiar with that clip and I am also
familiar with how YouTube works and how
all these conspiracy documentaries
that's the thing in I'm trying to do
something different than all the stuff
that's online because everything online
is just discrediting itself by taking
clips like that I'm not saying that I'm
not saying the Buzz Aldrin went to the
moon obviously yeah but that is not
evidence him slurring his words and
talking to a little girl you're looking
in the wrong direction and you're taking
it like and you're repeating it over and
over again putting x-files music behind
it slowing it down putting it in Reverse
like you're completely discrediting your
argument if you think that that is clean
cut dry if you think that that is Buzz
Aldrin literally coming out and saying
that we didn't go to the moon it's not
you know that's not deep down all of you
know that it's not him saying that he
didn't slip up and expose something he
hasn't gone through all
his depression and alcoholism keeping
his mouth shut just to now in front of a
little girl with a camera on slip up and
say we didn't go to the moon like if he
was going to make a statement that's not
the place that he would do it so just be
honest with yourself that's not the
that's not the linchpin do expose this
thing and that just drives me crazy how
are people like open minded people they
jump on a thing and then they they they
just make themselves look foolish
because they say that this means this
when they know it doesn't it is strange
that he slipped up and said something
like that but that is not the definitive
evidence that you should be you know I'm
staking your claim on yeah they
definitely just silly yeah they
definitely lose a lot of you know I'm
saying credibility just trying to get a
viral video out there you know because
I'm sure Luke I'm sure Luke knew that
too before they put it out and continue
to push it or whatever this is kind of I
said I think it says a lot about their
character they've been in this thing a
long time and understand you know about
what what ad revenue is and things like
that to try to push something like that
yeah makes me think twice I mean there's
it I would say to your listeners go uh
go look into Massimo Mitsuko he's got a
documentaries an Italian filmmaker it's
got a documentary called American moon
it's like three and a half hours long
but it's like all facts all information
you don't have to just there's enough to
this thing that you don't have to just
jump on Buzz Aldrin's slipped up and set
a thing and then ride that wave for a
clickbait like if you're honestly
seeking truth go out and watch American
moon or something like that where
they're actually giving you information
instead of old man slipped up like
you're just you're doing a disservice to
all of us who are trying to actually
figure out what's going on okay
concerning the moon what are your
thoughts on what the moon is we've heard
everything that it is what is that thing
from from Star Wars that you know the
Death Star is that what it's called is
there something like that it's a ship
it's a satellite it's kind of like The
Truman Show where the you know the the
controllers of the universe
living and there's you know there's
civilizations on the moon on the Dark
Side of the Moon I've heard so many
theories that is hollow you can go in it
but do you think the moon is it's just
an old dead planet that's floating what
do you think it is I just gotta say
we're not talking about the documentary
anymore because I don't keep saying like
like I want to talk about what you're
asking but that's not what the
documentary is gonna be about because I
got a bunch of questions about the Moon
Man yeah I know that you're listenership
is different than a lot of the people
that I've talked to recently so this is
fun for sure what do I think it is
outside of the documentary that seemed
gonna have something to do with the
documentary I mean what the hell is the
moon is it I mean not necessarily I mean
I'm approaching the documentary as the
earth is the earth it's a ball that's
spinning a billion miles an hour
rocketing through galaxies and the moon
is the thing that they say it is now
let's focus on why they're lying about
that we went there like just this really
small in the grand scheme of things I
want to lay xur focus in on a really
small thing that's easy to get off a
topic obviously right so that so that
the the normal person not us you and I
the normal person who's just going about
their day-to-day life of I go to work I
come home I kick my kids around and
drink beer that person I want to make
something where that person can look at
it and go uh-huh okay maybe this person
isn't insane if I how you jump into it
I'm like the moon is also Hollow then
the you know they shut it off
immediately
so for the sake of the documentary I
don't think I even have to talk about
what the moon is we can just accept it's
Iraq sure why not
but like I love digging into like
hollow moon stuff supposedly you know
we've shot nukes at the moon to try and
find water and all that there's a bunch
of crazy crazy crap that people don't
know about we could go down all the
different rabbit trails and everything
but can't can't do it just can't for
this but I'm down to talk about it for
sure I don't know what I think it is the
projection stuff I think it's
interesting the hollow stuff I think is
interesting yeah I don't know I'm not
convinced of anything yeah the flat moon
stuff I think is but again I'm not
convinced I'm as far as looking at the
spiritual side on how we're connected to
it we look at like you know I'm saying
the the magnetic pull of the moon with
the ties that get controlling the tides
respect we're looking back into
Christianity and stuff and so the the
the you know ancient Israelites would
would would follow the moon as far as
the cycles about winter travel when to
sleep like you know I'm saying when to
rest or whatever every Sabbath was with
every new moon these type of things we
look at you know I'm saying women's
menstrual cycles synched with the moon
as well the moon is pushing and pulling
water in our bodies or like 70% water
there's something to it right yeah
there's something there and all the
things I say I have to lead with I
haven't done the test too haven't done
the experiment so I can't say that this
is something that I've proven but you
know even like like the flat earthers
like you I've seen people do tests where
you go out you take a you know a laser
thermometer and you test the temperature
of the light coming from the moon the
light coming from the moon is actually
colder than in the shade like it should
be warmer but it is leading people to
think that there's something shady going
on with the moon because if you point a
laser thermometer at the ground that is
illuminated by the moon's light it is
cooler than when it is in the shade so
what is that what is that like hey when
we're all here saying we know all the
things we know what is and
explain that scientifically please like
I'm not I'm not saying mic drop I'm
saying please legitimately explain that
because that doesn't make any sense to
me
and I would like for somebody to explain
how that works outside of we don't know
I don't know I don't know yeah
it's I mean it's interesting to say the
least man and we don't I don't think we
do somebody knows though right
do you believe that the vast you know
the government somebody knows oh man oh
man oh man oh yeah - the conspiracy that
somebody knows was like and they're
telling us these weird theories that get
us off yeah yeah and I don't want to
keep going back to it but for the people
that listen to this like I I do believe
that there's like probably some sort of
shadow government there's probably some
higher-ups that we don't understand that
know the things that we don't know I do
think that that's not going to be in the
documentary so don't watch the
documentary and call me a shill because
I left it out because it's not gonna be
them they're just gonna put that out
there right now we can leave that at it
as it is that's the documentary go check
it out moon myth legend calm now we can
talk about this other stuff yeah I think
that there's probably you know there's
probably some sort of higher-ups that we
don't understand
do I have evidence to prove it no it
could be maybe maybe the guy that you
called maybe he was really offering you
a Illuminati guest pass VIP and I seen
this somebody somebody's like hey you
should call the numbers like nobody beat
me to it
dude it was gold I mean yeah somebody
somebody knows something man I think
whether it's the Vatican or NASA I think
many many of these things that we've
were seeking out this deeper knowledge
the mystery schools you know what I'm
saying I think that they kind of know
what this stuff is and the truth behind
you can't deny that like these people
there are certain people in power that
are above the law because they do things
and they get away with it things that if
we did have like a fraction of what they
do where you want to get away with it
like Declassified not even conspiracy
stuff like even just like the Catholic
Church you know the people there are
certain bad people in the Catholic
Church I'm not saying all Catholics are
bad but there are certain people in the
Catholic Church that are molesting
children we know this we accept this
these people aren't going to jail the
Vatican is saying oh there defrocked and
bad bad whatever it's like why is that
okay if I did that I would be in jail if
not murdered and I should be in jail or
murdered because that's a horrible
horrible thing why is this just a thing
in in our society that we accept like
that happened well they're not priests
anymore so it's fine go you know go do
those terrible atrocities to children
somewhere else but don't do it under the
Catholic Church like what are what is
even going on here
like obviously there's something there
that these people there's some power
that these people have over you know
what we perceive as our leaders and
rulers of our government and what's how
could we possibly think that that's
where it ends like that's where it stops
really no I have our time believing that
we know all the things and I don't know
I don't know I agree with you I think
there's definitely some shadowy figures
out there that are pulling some strings
that we don't know about yeah and they
muddy up the waters for everything like
you said you know the the whole view of
the Catholic Church or Christianity in
general or whatever but it goes with
everything
it goes with the government it goes to
whatever spiritual movement you're a
part of and whatever you know the
Enlightenment group that you were any
cult that you've been a part of I mean
I've been a part of many on this this
journey of learning and Hebrew
Israelites and seventh-day adventists
and just every sect and there's just
dirty people who just kind of find their
ways into these groups and they try to
find a place where they can hang out or
whatever the case is or just like
somebody's some of these groups are just
like kind of like a breeding ground for
some of these people too though you know
but um yeah I make sure it makes you ask
the bigger questions especially when you
uh you figure out that we're not being
told the truth but I think somebody
knows man I really do all these
questions that we have I really do
believe that uh those people know what's
up the books that were taken out of the
Bible and other holy books for a certain
reason and and hid and stuff like that
you know yeah for sure
so where do we go now man is so let me
just ask you this about the documentary
though so just from everything you're
saying I know we're talking about some
really even deeper conspiracies when it
comes to that but uh so is this is this
more for like the Newcomer is this more
for like you don't saying the average
person versus the flat earther versus
the person who's done 20 years of
research is it more for the newcomer
basically yeah I mean like I say if you
if you strip away all your preconceived
conspiracy minded everything just bring
it down to a base level I want to make
something that is easily digestible for
the person that you pass on the street
to help them start opening in their mind
to some of these things because once
once you get the ball rolling who knows
where it can go and not only that but
like even from just a very like very
layperson perspective we have a pride
issue as a society where we think that
we know things that we don't like we are
convinced that we know things we are
convinced because you know because I saw
Tom Hanks land on the moon I can call
that person stupid when they think that
we didn't go to the moon like what is
that what why are we that way as a
society where we can just jump so
quickly - tearing somebody else down
even if we don't know anything about
them anything about the variables in
their life anything about the research
they've done even if we don't know
anything about the thing that we're
arguing why are we so quick to say
you're stupid and I hate you like I
don't know like that that's a lot of it
I think that there's more behind this
but yes to answer your question and a
real answer yes it's for a kind of the
layperson the the newcomer - just
wet their wet their palate and get the
wheels turnin basically okay so what are
the benefits of that versus you just I
hear confusing people Dan what do you
mean you know yeah and that's that's
what you would hear from your church
church friends like like how is it
benefiting people to get them is it
rational thinking is it to let them know
that hey you've been lied to about this
maybe you've been lied to about that
like what's the what's the point vert is
it just to promote rational thinking
sure yeah I mean it's to promote
humility if anything it's to promote
just bringing yourself down a couple
notches and accepting that you might not
know things humility is really the whole
point because you don't know anything
about the moon-landing let's start there
like you don't you don't know the
official story so you can't say that
somebody else is stupid for their thing
like just humble yourself that's it but
that's like the whole point of it I
don't know like the the full title you
said the main title is a the moon to
myth legend but the subtitle is a lunar
lure for humble dummies like I'm not
approaching this as like an authority
figure on anything I'm approaching it as
yeah I'm gonna explore this topic in
particular and figure out why people
think this way why other people think
that way and you guys can come along and
join me on the right I'm not here to say
hey the moon's faked the moon landings
faked the moons made of cheese I don't
know like I'm here to just explore a
topic almost like you know so you're
almost almost like vice right sure yeah
I mean that's what documentaries used to
be it was just like way in both sides
and presenting evidence and saying
here's what I found
do with it what you want it's kind of my
story of my journey to figure out like
take all the other stuff away do we go
to the moon let's figure it out let's go
and we might not figure it out of course
we're not gonna figure it out we don't
know but you know at the very least I
can say here's why certain people think
this way here's why certain is good that
way and let's go yes that that right
there like you're saying that I think I
get what you're trying to do now it's
like and you can you you have to
approach every ideology with that
understanding and I remember when I
first got there versus like I'm trying
to convince peep
while they should believe what I believe
that's the whole Christian thing we had
to convert them and they make them
believe this doctrine and that varies
from church to church from sector sect
or whatever and they all argue amongst
themselves the same way with the moon
same way with the Flat Earth the same
way with ufology they're gonna there's
all these different sects within them
that that war but the beautiful thing in
all of it is why the hell do you believe
that and so to be open to have that
conversation first of all that's that
humility that we can at least have the
conversation and coming from a Christian
background like this is that's a big
deal to be able to have that
conversation and not argue and you're
proud even though you've kind of reached
this level and I'm pretty sure you're
gonna interview people and find people
who are gonna argue you in the face yell
maybe even walk out of an interview they
start shaking get nervous because
there's this there they're committed
they've given their life when in the
terms of Christianity or other religions
they've not just given their life
they've given their in eternity that
this is the truth and I will stake my
life upon it on something that you can't
even prove it's something you were told
I know you've had an emotional
experience and you're really tied to
this work but to step back and say okay
is it still just as powerful what I
still believe it if the evidence was
changed if I looked at some so a lot of
people can there's that cognitive
dissonance that kicks in but the whole
fact instead of arguing with people and
this is where I come from instead of
arguing with people I want to understand
why do you believe that like why do you
believe that you can have you know 15
wives
this is a normal doctrine for some
churches and they'd still practice
polygamy and things like that other
other sects and cults and things like
that why do they operate that way why
does the cult leader have this much
power why do they operate this way why
do they seek power how do they
manipulate people why are other people
gullible and you see other people just
like you who've just been presented some
different information from straight
well-spoken pastor a well-spoken cult
leader a well-put-together documentary
by a 15 year old who's
good with that After Effects and music
no I'm saying it's like why do you
believe this so are you going to
approach other topics it doesn't have to
just keep being all this moon stuff but
will you do you already have plans to
say okay next we're going to talk to the
polygamist next we're gonna talk to the
Catholic why you know whoever it is yeah
sure I mean that's basically what my
show is is talking people and hearing
their stories up I do plan to do other
documentaries in the future haven't
decided yeah like I'm not I'm not big
picture I'm one thing at a time but yeah
I mean the podcast that's basically the
whole premise is just like I've had on
coldest witches I've had on a guy who
claims that he was a vampire and all
sorts of things like people that
disagree with each other that on
Freemasons have had on all the things in
its I'm not like I'm finding that it's
like this really strange concept of hey
be open-minded and listen to a person
and respect them as a person because
they come from a different background
why is that such a big concept to people
like every time I have somebody on they
leave and they like I've had a lot of
people come back and say you know that
was one of my favorite interviews
because you just kind of you respected
me you let me talk I'm like why is that
so unique like that should be what we're
all doing like especially if we're
Christians like we should be listening
to people Jesus didn't walk with like
the the prostitute and then immediately
start bashing her and say this is what
you're doing wrong he he loved her first
and listened to her listen to where she
was coming from I think that that's kind
of the point to all this is to try and
figure out what this is together yeah
and I could be wrong like maybe the
occultist witch that was on my show is
right I don't know I could be wrong I I
don't think I am I'm convinced that I'm
not but yeah I don't know I don't know
for sure definitively I I believe
certain things and I know why I believe
them but most people don't know why they
believe the way they do and I'm trying
to figure out why people think the way
they do and kind of shake up their
foundations a little bit to make people
question things and you know come to
conclusions and just hopefully
I suppose yeah yeah I think I'll kind of
do the same thing you know what I'm
saying I just loved I just want to be
the one who's having a conversation and
I you know I get uh I mean I'm a
Christian but uh like this isn't this
isn't a Christian show you know what I'm
saying so I'll have those people who
talk to him it's okay whoa are you just
letting them talk are you letting them
share your platform you know it is get
all really like ministry minded but at
the same time okay I believe this is a
ministry as well
I'm able to reach a lot of people we're
gonna throw stuff about Christ we're
gonna dive into a bunch of different
topics people who aren't going to listen
to you know a Sunday sermon or even go
to church on Sunday morning they have an
alternative because Christians are into
this stuff too guys like Christian when
you're in like I think the majority of
the Flat Earth or people are Christians
right like everyone's approaching it
from like a biblical perspective so
that's something somebody needs to talk
about if someone needs to give them a
platform as well so you just to find out
the way the mind works media how
effective is media how effective are
YouTube videos how effective are memes
to change the way that people perceive
reality their religion friendships and
things like that here's just a comment
here from from one of my friends
Dumbledore says he says I believe in
Jesus Christ because the Shroud of Turin
evidence and because when I pray upon
him I feel lighter two things there the
Shroud of Turin I don't believe that
that's real right but this is but that's
what he uses to to prove that Jesus was
real was the Shroud of Turin there's the
end there's documentaries and evidence
proving it and there's documentaries and
evidence debunking it but for some
reason it it convinced him and then the
second half he says because when I pray
upon Jesus I feel lighter I do too
right if I'm going through God I'm
asking you to take this off of me give
me your piece right now and even as I'm
saying it I can feel it that's just how
powerful it is and how much I believe it
but the other person who had a Krishna
Hari Hari Krishna Hari Rama Hari Krishna
and they feel lighter as well like
what's what's going on
why do they believe that why this why
are they having that same type of
encounter doing the same type of ritual
the prayer the higher power connecting
we don't have it all figured out and I
think many of us are saying the same
things but just wording it differently
and that's it and that's a beautiful
song and dance for me now to be able to
accept and not have to argue with you
why no you're using a different name
you're calling upon a different power
that's not really Jesus and and breaking
it down but yeah just the whole you know
way that the mind works and people
believe certain type of things man so
vice in just those whole documentaries
are awesome especially because they
approach it from that type of standpoint
owner on a and usually a show you you
know and uh you know tapping into places
that you've never even heard about ideas
that you've never even fathom and it's
really cool right yeah and going back to
some of what you're saying with like the
guy who's talking with the shredder turn
that type of thing it's like I am gotten
to a point in my life where I'm just
like everybody is just like this big
math equation like there's a bunch of
variables that have gone into their life
like I can't look at a person and say
that person's a douchebag like okay that
person might be having a bad day that
person might have just you might be
going through a divorce that person
might have gotten you know onions on his
burger that he didn't in order like
there's so many different things that go
into what a person was at a certain
point in time but we're so quick to just
go that person's a douchebag why is that
like that person is a person that person
especially from a Christian perspective
that person was created you know in the
image of God and maybe they're not doing
it right maybe their third life is just
as screwed up as yours and they're doing
some things wrong can we just can we
just listen to each other could we just
calm down slow our brains down and you
know try and figure out life together
because the person if you look around
your community I don't personally think
that any of the people you'll find are
really
enemies they just are people who have
come to different conclusions in their
life based on all the different
variables in their math equation it's
fine and it's weird with those labels -
there was a guy my you should go to
church back in the day he was a new a
new guy at church and some other people
knew him before I did and they
introduced me to him but they said they
meant they said something about his head
the guy had a rather large head and they
say hey this guy's he guys has a massive
head ba ba ba ba in every time and I
didn't come up with that they said that
at first so when I met him let me meet
the guy with the massive head I don't
know why just subconsciously then every
time I seen this guy it was just like
hey as a kid with the big head there's
the guy with the big head and I had to
like check myself like hold on why the
hell is this record and keep playing
when I see this person I'm not able to
see pass this caricature or whatever the
big head person right and understanding
why I didn't now felt like that was
something I can move and get to know him
because I didn't take him as seriously
because he's almost like a character is
some weird psychological stuff that was
going on in my head but it's it's the
same with with all types of preconceived
notions and say hey man like and it
definitely happens in church all don't
listen to him he's this or I don't know
I don't really like this guy or whatever
and then you you approach him because of
someone else's bias that they told you
mm-hmm I heard Damon Thompson is a
Christian evangelist he mentioned it
with he goes into this with characters
in the Bible that we've kind of we've
we've given him names that that's not
their name like the rich young ruler
were like so we talk about this rich
young ruler this person in the Bible is
hold on that's not his name like there
was nothing rich about him like he was
he was you know write all of this stuff
or the woman with the issue of blood and
so identifying these people by their
character flaws really their flaws and
you see them as that person as that flaw
you're not really able to kind of move
past to understand who they are and
those flaws could be their belief
systems oh they're a Muslim okay be
careful be careful people you said about
me all the time yeah be careful with
true seeker
just be careful right know you love them
just be careful like why the hell
got to be why do you gotta like or
they'll talk about you mentioned
somebody's name but you always add in I
don't agree with everything why'd you
mention the dude's name but and you had
you felt like you had to say it well I
don't agree agree with everything that's
something like yeah like dance most I
went on it's pocket I don't agree with
everything what I like Joe Rogan I don't
agree with everything
I like Benny and I don't agree with it
like why nobody thought you did that
disclaimer yeah you know you noticed
that as well and we talked like judging
people and have to like I love them but
you know that touches fear it's fear
like it's fear it's fear and pride and
self-preservation it'sit's very strange
like I even some family members of mine
I was talking to him about the podcast a
little bit and I was like yeah there's a
call to switch on trying you know figure
out why he thinks the way he does I'm
careful very cut and dry yeah they were
like well do you have any concerns about
that it was like I don't even know what
you mean I mean I kind of do because I
grew up in it but I don't even know what
you mean like what are you talking about
do do you think that art that the God
that you believe in is so powerless that
me speaking to another person is going
to infect my life yeah like I was going
there they do right and like no I don't
have any concerns because I don't think
that demons know how to use Skype I
don't know what you want me to say here
like I'm just talking to a guy and Jesus
would have done the same thing I feel
like if there if there was a man who
walked the earth
it was the embodiment of God and that
the same God that created the which then
I feel like he would probably just be
like hey you might be right
I might be wrong well I guess he
wouldn't say he might be right because
he would be right and he wanted you want
to really question that but for me I
couldn't humble myself enough to be like
you might be right I might be wrong
maybe none of the things I think are
true that's fine like just let's just
talk to each other and have a
conversation I want to know why you
believe the way you do yeah
instead we're just like Oh which is evil
Tara
stay away they're going to as soon as
you look them in the eye you will be
damned for an eternity in hell it's like
that's the God you believe in the God
that is afraid of you talking to another
human it's just silly
it's trying to you know perpetuate a
belief system or dog mode you have to
protect it you know you have to with it
what is what is the formula for truth it
goes under goes scrutiny it's laughed at
then it's accepted or whatever and when
somebody brings some other type of
information maybe it's the opposite of
what you believe maybe it just deviates
a little bit in your doctrine that's one
of the so much schisms within the body
of Christ in the church you have to
protect it to sand nail you have to
fight for it and then in doing that you
have to like belittle people and you
know and that's what it happens a lot of
times now not even the information not
even the truth that's being presented is
we have to talk about their character
well you know either got into this you
know that they do this or whatever
inside has nothing to do with the
information triple-m in the comment
section says it's a a back end that
backhanded compliment disclaimer no
responsibility and the weird thing is
I'm I guess I can talk about it because
I've done it and I do it you know but I
try to check myself like hold on that's
like nobody even asked me if I believe
which they I think this for a reason
though because in the church there you
know they assume oh you you can you
listen to true seeker you believe in
aliens you believe in you know with them
really yeah it's funny because like as
far as the whole humility thing it's
like you just look at the Christian
Church like you're just from a base
perspective it's like you guys are all
saying I know things I know this I know
this and know how the world works I know
how all spirituality works and know how
heaven is what hell is I know all that
but also we can't agree on the minutiae
details of like the rapture pre trip
poster mid trip so let's let's call each
other names and split up and divide
amongst ourselves because it's like well
one of you is wrong one of you has to be
wrong
so you're both saying that you know how
what are the odds that either of you are
even close
scientifically you're probably all
effing wrong like probably in in every
way and I think that I think that
there's a God that created us he's
probably like you're right you're right
when you say that you don't know because
that that's the epitome of humility is
do it except I don't know and I'm open
to finding out yeah I have a hard time
believing that he's going to punish
people for for having an open mind and
trying and trying to understand God yeah
that just makes no sense yeah I've heard
the term you know just because I'm wrong
doesn't mean you're right you know I
could be wrong but it doesn't mean that
you're right you know at the end of the
day so it's really it's really
interesting but yeah being open-minded
and and being humble but then you know
they're fighting tooth and nail for a
reason because if you look into
something else
and it makes more sense and it has more
to stand it brings more fruit like it
may be more sexy it may be more
appealing it may help them more and they
may leave your church they probably will
I mean that's the whole reason why when
I was in doing events and in the church
and you know do Christian hip-hop and do
it of the band thing playing in youth
groups it was hard to get churches to
work together it was hard to get like if
a church was hosting like a Wednesday
night Saturday night whatever concert
pizza party for the teenagers they would
they would email other churches they
would try to meet with the pastor's hey
let's get all the kids in the community
they couldn't do that because if though
if they brought their kids to your
church and they experienced something
that they did in their their own church
then they Tina ran the whole you know
I'm said liability of losing them a to
that church maybe the sound systems
better
maybe the worships better you know so
they could work together because there
was a fear of of networking because they
would lose followers that happens in the
podcasting realms that happens in every
realm happens in
so much so in the church realm and that
was kind of one of the things that
really turned me off because I found
once I kind of got out of that and
started moving more and in the secular
market and more of the even in his
spiritual market like they that wasn't
there and that was a breath of fresh air
when I could network with people and
there wasn't like scared like and like
there's no teams and judgement
yeah like trying to you know one to give
a statement of faith and make sure you
leave with their doctrines and stuff it
just gets really weird man right right
yeah it's like you're inviting me into
your church to to play music and you're
insisting that I agree with or I say
that I agree your statements of faith
what if I don't so you as a Christian
are asking me to lie for the sake of
spreading the gospel what how does that
work exactly do you want me to be honest
and human or do you want me to come
continue to you know pretend along with
you that I've got it all figured out
yeah it's I mean it's definitely foolish
but they do it to protect their empire
you know what I'm saying like it works
it's working for them you know what I'm
saying to keep keep keep the questions
down because if you're asking the bigger
questions if you're presented with
bigger questions if you watch this
interview and you're want to look into
the mothers probably people watching
never heard that there was a moon hoax I
remember the first time I heard it as
well he's gonna ask questions right and
then so those you're not gonna get the
answers unless you ask the questions but
it's about looking into it and trying to
I'm saying trying to get to the bottom
of it and they're doing it for good
reason because they're trying to protect
their corporation you know I used to do
that though because I was so like and
when it comes to trying to change the
way people think and giving them the
truth or whatever
I will go undercover in these churches
like they would get me that's why I know
why they were doing it I would go get
asked to come and perform at a church
and they'd let me come up and perform
for you know 200 kids who
whatever and then we're handing out
pamphlets signing autographs on the back
of pamphlets about how Christmas was
pagan and Christmas trees like Christmas
trees all in the foyer of the church and
we're like we got to get the truth out
there man any by any means necessary you
know so you like being real vigilant or
whatever but thinking that I had the
truth or it was my responsibility to
tell them about Christmas trees and it's
the same type of way that everybody
thinks we leave the Lord's work yeah as
I know it all you don't saying as the
end authority right because I looked
into it or I did some research or
whatever right we look at just the human
experiment as the good Lord has anointed
you and appointed you on the war against
Christmas trees yeah really believe that
sounds hey he did did tell him it's
wrong you know for real I used I mean I
made a lot of enemies doing that but the
truce kind of does it right and until
you start getting persecuted yeah start
losing friends and you're like it's
because I don't want to hear the truth
I've been trying to give you out the
truth on 9/11 and on this you say no
you're being a jerk man you're being a
jerk
but he ain't you've changed you're not
the same person we can't just have a
conversation you're always making it
about conspiracies you're always making
it about religion or you want you always
talk about the Muslims every time we
hang out while you always point out
symbolism in the buildings you know at
the restaurants like what hold on you
change it bro it's consuming you you're
not the same person you know yeah yeah
have you did you go through that face as
well oh absolutely I'm sure we all did
like still working on some relationships
because of that yeah yeah like
everything everything is conspiracy and
maybe it is maybe it is but I don't know
like and so I'm like I don't know I mean
I don't even necessarily feel like I was
like trying to preach to people but it
was just like as you're as you're kind
of putting some pieces together you talk
about it a lot and that kind of is
off-putting to some people and I think a
lot of it it's fear based on their part
because if you like
our show we talked about conspiracies
politics and religion if you talk about
any one of those three things and if you
like have a reason and you know what
you're talking about it'll shut down the
conversation real fast because people
will just go whoa I don't I mean if
you're really not trying to be a douche
right now but like a lot of times if you
like bring up politics or something
people will get defensive because they
don't know about politics and that's
fine like I'm not here to say I know
what is I'm here to say hey let's
explore together and figure out what is
I'm not looking for people who agree
with me I'm looking for the truth that's
all I have you been in or around
shouting matches when it comes to the
Bible doctrines or conspiracy theories
or the government or Masons or anything
that where people are so like their dad
was a Mason you're like man it Mason's
worship Satan but I do my dad is a Mason
he doesn't work yes he does bro but let
me show you your dad's devil worshiper
and you don't even know it like I've
been in those conversations have you
seen anything I don't know that I have I
mean I have poked around yet some family
members who are Mason's and been like
like in the early days where I was just
like everything's evil
I would like kind of poke the bear a
little bit but no I
I've kind of kept a even keel from a
Christian like the young man Mario yeah
but even even people like that who just
trying to point out the you know I'm
sending negative and everything
everybody because of your research
wherever you and this is why I kind of
like the kind of the way you're
approaching the documentary they believe
something because they've been shown
some evidence or they had a teacher who
was really well-spoken who taught them
that this or their parents were racist
because they were you know beat up by
the opposite race or black people or
whatever the cases or white people right
so they had this type of bias this
prejudice about them for a good reason
because they that's their experience it
might not be my experience I don't I've
met my experience is totally different
so when we get into religion as well you
look at
YouTube any any topic you pick you look
at let's look at Mario the Vigilant
Christian his channel right hundreds of
thousands of subscribers and views and a
lot of it's like fear-based like
pointing out the Illuminati rituals and
everything and the devil is in
everything and he's showing you and like
maybe even show like like the New Age
and say you know this is why I left the
New Age and found Christ and there's
tons of videos for every bunch of
YouTube creators why I left a new age
and found Jesus and then you may find
something else why I left Christianity
and have embraced the New Age why I
haven't any other people say well you
know I did Kundalini Yoga and I got
possessed by demons or I meditated and I
got possessed by demons other people I
meditated into Kundalini Yoga and I met
Christ and I felt the Holy Spirit and I
it changed my life so you're gonna have
everybody's having these different
experiences but they're coming out as to
know it all stay away from Kundalini oh
great why because I got possessed
that's not everybody's story you know
what I'm saying and just to understand
that there's people that will get get
turned off by it without that even being
their story just I heard a guy got this
exactly demon habla because that's oh
that's evil like okay fine okay that has
nothing to do with me in my story
actually after you came on my podcast I
had a couple people leave our group
because they're like Oh talk about third
ID he's being open-minded about things
and listening to other people it's like
so in Christian people left because I
was talking to another Christian about a
different interpretation of scriptures
different like it's just a humility
thing it's a pride thing because they
thought you know this is how the world
works they've got it all figured out and
truth-seeker he's a he's an evil person
because he's dabbling and in dark arts
and blah blah blah like so they
completely left and they're not a part
of the thing anymore it's like I'm not
here to say that you're right I'm not
going to
I'm not going to continue to you know
what is that done for the audience
though right because just on that
subject you lost a couple maybe you
gained a couple maybe you ain't a couple
like how does that work because I don't
want the the closed-minded people so
good good riddens it's fine like what's
the majority because a lot of people
even in the chat now hanging out with us
people have biases people believe
certain things they want you to kind of
be their spokesman you know okay yeah he
believes what I believe I'm arrived with
them until you with conspiracies with
religion and with politics were really
weeding out a lot of people you're into
conspiracies but you love Jesus to him
he lost or anything Jesus thing bro lost
me you had me at Flat Earth but you lost
me at third eye you know what I'm saying
so we're like weeding out a lot of
people this is very niche right it's not
where we just tap in the Flat Earth and
that's all we do Flat Earth all Jesus
nothing but Jesus Jesus Jesus or Jesus
and faster audience if you take a stance
and say I don't know things and this is
what is gonna be that cuz I help you a
certain certain way okay you had me up
until right mushrooms as a bunch of for
me you're the Christian who does
mushrooms no I did mushrooms
they were great like it was a beautiful
encounter I'm not gonna deny you'd act
like I didn't or say I was possessed or
whatever like I have you so I have to
quit I don't and they look at me as one
who like continually is doing them I
don't do mushrooms all the time but I'm
not gonna be silent and say I did I'm
not gonna go on the new-age show and not
say that I have a beautiful relationship
with Christ and that's how I found out
who God was was through the Christian
Church and through Christ this is my
story and just to welcome that eat that
eclectic bunch of people who are here
with us now listen it's beautiful when
we can hang out and not argue we can
present facts or different beliefs and
why we believe them I know why I believe
this stuff cuz I went through it it
doesn't mean I'm right I know why I
leave it I'm sure you're kind of the
same way that's how you approach this
with humility and be able to have a
civil conversation with these people
yeah and it it it makes like when people
come back to me and they're like wow
you're doing something different it
makes me happy that they're like yeah
they're like appreciating the
open-mindedness but it also makes me
really angry because I'm like why aren't
we all just open-minded and humble I
mean this is not a new concept to I mean
we can say all day long well Jesus
didn't like the gays or Jesus didn't
like drugs or Jesus doesn't like these
four-letter words that we made up in
English yeah but I feel like Jesus
talked a whole lot more about loving
people
yeah then any of the the garbage that
we're focusing on so if you believe in
Jesus why don't you folks why don't you
start there why don't you start with
humble yourself and love people because
it seems like he was a lot more
concerned about that than the gays so
you know we can talk after that but if
you can't have a conversation then
you're not humbling yourself and you're
not loving people so you got to start
there you got to work on the plank in
your own eye before you can start
pointing out all the stuff that's going
on in the world so and then you start
finding out like the documentary as
you're doing research you start finding
out why people believe this because with
the Bible I've been involved in many
sects and I've studied that thing like
the back of my hand
you can prove whatever you want with the
Bible a book that big that old that much
different difference in the translation
and then you can actually go into the
Greek in Hebrew to to kind of give
yourself some leeway and some playground
as well with trying to you know present
a doctrine or a theory but what makes
the person believe that at the end of
the day and in what I've found out I've
dinner done a little documentary I don't
know if you checked it out but it was
called Prasanna and it's talking about
channeling and looking into the
spirituality inside like that and a lot
of these people have a scapegoat and so
it's not that God hates gays I mean you
can you can you can you know those
people who have those uh you know belief
systems and that's their their motto
that's their banner that they they March
under God hates gay them I know people
who have t-shirts they preach they stand
in front of churches they go to spring
break they had their
kids with them I mean seven and
eight-year-olds preaching God hates [Â __Â ]
at Panama City Beach you know what I'm
saying I know those people and they
believe it when they read the Bible but
that's what they believed in the stuff
that was presented to them other people
like myself God loves gays like you know
I'm saying God loves everyone right or
whatever so you can take the Bible or
any type of information and kind of
manipulate it to make it say whatever
you want to say but wide I don't think
God hates gays I think you hate gays
right I think if you have a problem with
wear a shirt that says I hate gays they
really do like I knew people in was a
they were like a big deal and um yeah
like and so they find they use the Bible
to back up what they already believe I
mean we all do it really knowingly just
confirmation bias it's it's not like
actually no it's it's I write it's
subconscious like I've got this this
variable that was instilled in me that's
my foundation since birth or not birth
necessarily but childhood yeah and I'm
going to look all around and try and
pinpoint the ways that I am right it's
not it's not like I'm going to look
around and try and figure out what it is
it's like let's figure let's find I
think that there's God so I'm gonna find
God and all the things it's not like
let's look around and see all the glory
and then wow I've there's probably got
to be a God for this to be as
magnificent as as it is like that that's
how I've come to it and like my my faith
in God is much more real now that I'm
able to throw it all out and say well
what do I honestly think why do I think
that way it's not because I was taught
that it's not even because a book says
that like there's a part of me that
thinks like I have no problem with a
biblical Aaron see like when somebody
comes to me and they're like well I
don't believe in God because there's a
bunch of you know a bunch of things in
the Bible that contradicts itself and
I'm like fine that's fine that's not
fine it doesn't change anything because
I think God's bigger than the Bible yeah
if there is if we have changed things in
the Bible if we have taken books out if
we have changed words I mean we we know
that we've translated it obviously it
wasn't written in ink
so things have changed but did you act -
or the Mandela effect when they changed
the bottle now have you heard of that
man I have yeah yeah that was one of our
first episodes digging into some of that
stuff but yeah like as far as my faith
goes like I don't need the Bible and I
know that that sounds heretical to a lot
of Christians but it's like I think that
the Bible there's a very good chance
that the Bible is written and inspired
by God but also I think that if it's
inspired by God there's a lot of times
where I feel like I'm hearing the voice
of God and God's telling me to do
something God's telling me to write
something down or make a piece of
artwork I don't know that he is um so
maybe when it you know some things in
the Bible just hypothetically when God
told people just old man to slaughter
whole societies maybe that wasn't God
maybe that was man saying hey I'm for
the for my sake I need to go slaughter
this society and I feel like God's
telling me to do it maybe he was maybe
he wasn't it does not matter
well maybe it's some buzz about any more
or less real right shirt symbolic
analogy yeah it doesn't make God any
more or less real whether or not you
believe that the Bible is fallible or
infallible there is truth and it might
be that the Bible is 100% accurate the
Word of God but it doesn't have to be
that's okay it's fine yeah man
I remember a couple couple months ago I
was sitting in here and I was playing a
video game I was playing League of
Legends and somebody pulled up and this
old black man got out and I looked out
my window I was like who is this
I was just sitting out in my shorts and
I didn't have a t-shirt on and I'm
covered in like sacred geometry and
biblical tattoos or whatever and I just
run out there what my shirt off and said
hey how's it going and uh yeah we'll
talk to you about you know the wonderful
you know work of Jehovah I was like oh
my god you know and I used to welcome
that conversation because I would love
to battle and I would I would watch
youtube videos on how to dismantle their
doctrine and like that's what I used to
get off on years ago but at this point I
could give it I could give a damn me
because I know why he's but I know
somebody who he's probably had a rough
time in his life and a Jehovah's Witness
reached out to him and showed him the
way and that's why you believe that
doctrine I understand that but um he he
wanted to go in it I was just trying to
find common ground with I'm trying to
get back to my game before we lose girls
online but anyway he's like talking to
me he's like hey so what about those
tattoos you got there and uh I have I
have on my chest it's the it's the
scripture out of the book of Sirach that
was actually out of the Apocrypha a book
that was taken out of the Bible and it's
a beautiful scripture says strive for
the truth until death and the Lord shall
fight for thee it's out of the Apocrypha
and it says Ciroc for two or whatever it
is and he said I know I know what that
is I know what that book is that's okay
he said you think you think it's
inspired I said I think it was in the
the earliest versions of the Bible and
it's definitely in the 1611 and a lot of
early versions the disciples had it like
they had these these scriptures right
and he said well God took it out for a
reason so what he left it in there for
for a period of time for a reason - I
don't know that fresh I don't know if I
believe you that God took it out because
he maybe God put it in there and man
took it out
anyway he kind of was looking at my
tattoos and he jumped on that one at
first and I was like he wanted me to
debate him on about that book about it
being in the Bible but said look it was
inspired
it wasn't inspired how you know wasn't
inspired as some beautiful words in
there that inspired me you know and
inspires other people how do you what do
you mean it's not inspired by God I said
sir what if you wrote a book about your
journey about how you overcame drug
addiction and all this kind of stuff is
that book not inspired oh yeah that
would be inspire well why is this book
not inspired yeah you know say you need
to look it up and see why I said sir I
know I was taking I didn't he's looking
at my caduceus tattoo and it's the you
know the serpent going around the stick
and and I'm not trying to get esoteric
with him I used to brag about the stuff
and try to go and that's another self
sister I gotta go man kept me out there
came to play
and me out there with my shirt off like
he was just like dissected all my
tattoos I'm like sir I'm not trying to
do this with you today but I enjoyed the
conversation back in the day I would
have tried to convince that old man I
would have even said like out like I was
vigilant about this I was a sir you and
I would have took the stance and said
sir you're involved in some things that
you don't know what you're practicing
you're involved in demonic activity
extra-biblical I you I would what he's
trying to do to me I would have tried to
do to him and went on that battle with
them and I used to do that but I'm in a
much better place now where I can just
be open to the Croatian yeah and like I
mean we probably both grew up in a
church the church mentality of you know
every single person you see on the
street is somebody who needs you to talk
to them to save them from the pits of
hell it's like that's a lot to put on a
child so yeah please you're gonna have
to convince me really strongly of that
otherwise I'm gonna live a whole life of
guilt and I have a hard time thinking
that 11 God wants us to live a whole
life of guilt
wherever everything every single soul
that we come in contact with we are
responsible for I mean Jesus wasn't 100%
all the time saying this is how you must
be saved do these rules yeah let's do
this this it's like no Jesus it seemed
like he was a humble chill guy who liked
to love people and yeah walk with them
where they were and I think that speaks
a lot more to a person situation than
you meet somebody on the bus and say hey
have you heard the the good word about
the Lord Jesus Christ this is how you
must be say like that's not going to
make anything stick that's not going to
make that's not going to change
somebody's heart or to even change their
mind that's just going to probably piss
them off and make good more more firmly
solidify their opinion about Christians
being annoying that's all that's going
to do but if you feel like the humility
and what the the things that Jesus
really talked about
if you live it if you become the
embodiment of Christ if you humble
yourself and be open-minded that is kind
of a ripple effect that will spread to
people and you don't have to even use
words to convince them that God exists
because that dude over there he's just
an infectious dude because he's like
open to what I'm saying he respects me
he loves me I want to be around that guy
so that infects that person with that
kind of mentality that that's a
possibility and so on and so forth I
think that that there's a lot to that
that we just kind of gloss over and well
yeah be humble be kind whatever blah
blah blah there let's let's go back to
Facebook and yelling at people about
feminism and stupid stuff like I don't
know like we just put so much poison
into our mind into our lives and like
through social media we is Facebook
helping your life is Facebook making you
happier is Facebook you know putting
good happy thoughts in like is Facebook
making you love your fellow man more or
is it making you this cynical douchebag
and I'm really trying to control my
language because you asked me to speak
much more I would say biblically if the
youtuber rules but I'm wondering now
they're like we've already combed this
while I'm wondering if this is gonna be
you know I'm saying didn't you know some
of the words that we've used is this
gonna be demonetized already let's vote
yes or no I don't want it to be I need a
few dollars you know this is a good
episode there's a lot of people watching
live you know what I'm saying so is this
gonna be demonetized and so that's weird
that I actually met that that thought
passes through my mind though that's the
bad thing because I don't think we've
covered we haven't even really well we
said Sandy Hook three times now and I'm
you know maybe I should spoil it out for
hooks and hooks a godly man I can't
monetize any of my stuff anymore so I'm
I just say what is covered you cover too
much
I guess like I mean did you monetized or
you just haven't been monitored got
monetized but 90% of what I put out
there like no you can't monetize that
because they don't want to ads on you
talking about that it's like all I'm
doing is talking about the news like
just saying what's going on in the world
and you're like well you don't want ads
on the news well go turn on the TV
that's what's happening what are you
talking about
you know no YouTube's stupid it is man
it's really weird this whole thing is
this super weird
now I'm looking - and let me uh I want
to I want to there's this um and you in
your YouTube hub in the back there's
this creator studio right and so when
you look at your dashboard at the bottom
there's this recommended video from
YouTube like some of their creators and
some of their people and you get to kind
of see who they are and they're
answering some of the questions now
about D monetization and curse words and
I watch the videos on them and it's
really weird because there's a spokesman
who works for Google but she's trying to
be one of the youtubers hey what's up
guys smash that like button but in a sec
hold on you you like one of the this
isn't real this is an act you know hey
what's up guys you know how to hold
YouTube what's up and that's how they
they started their videos I've even
probably done it doing my gaming stuff
in the past what's up guys you know and
this chick is doing it and they're
showing you all these in Utah you're
talking or watching to these Google
executives that work for YouTube and
they're trying to be crazy they're
trying to talk like this what's up guys
and it's a hold on man this is a act and
I could see right through it but you're
trying to be one of the normies this is
very strange
it's really weird as you as you come on
here to tell us why we're being deeply
formed you're gonna get guys juice sandy
hook City or something done yeah I mean
you know I had my old channel delete it
I don't know why I had had several
channels they were all connected to one
it got deleted I'm I'm about to hit
10,000 us
on on this channel now and I've been
working hard to be consistent I got in
early and monetized this new channel
before you know the whole ad pocalypse
thing happened in the whole way let's
make sure you have a thousand viewers in
ten and and a four thousand watch hours
so I was able to catch it earlier to
make a little bit of money it's not a
lot it's text write it but it helps to
be able to do this full-time are you you
podcasting and doing what you're doing
full-time yet I'm pretty sure you kinda
you have side side hustles and stuff too
which I still get well but yeah I
actually run my own media business I do
wedding videography and graphic design
and I have a media company that I run
from my main thing the podcast is just
like I I am trying to not approach it as
a business necessarily I'm trying to
approach it as my exploration into what
is in the world and you can come along
and I am completely transparent like on
my patreon you can see that I'm making
pennies off of it and that's fine I'm
okay with that
cuz this isn't about money this is just
about me trying to figure out what is
and change the world one uncommon
conversation at a time as I put it a you
know yeah well so you having these
uncomfortable conversations but are you
in a and are you in a place creatively
where you're comfortable do you like
doing the wedding photography I'm sure
wedding photography pays pretty good
right that you can just like that kind
of money can open up a side hustle or
give you time you know more than time to
podcast because when I do do this way it
brings in enough money so you are you
cool with that balance or are you in a
good spot with them yeah yeah yeah
everything's everything's flowing well
especially as I get some of my mental
stuff in order I am able to be creative
all day long which is great and do the
podcast as a as kind of a way to well
I'm like believe it or not I was like a
very much an introvert and type 5 on the
any gram and all that fun stuff but so
the podcast is kind of pulling me out of
my shell to be more real be more raw and
forced me to have a deadline for
creativity on a regular basis where like
with music it would take it takes me
forever
to actually you know go that last 25% go
like I love the idea I love this process
I love making a thing and then I can
never finish a thing with the podcast
it's been a way to make my brain go you
got to do this Monday every single every
single week you put it out whether it's
whether you feel like it's perfect or
not you put it out and you move on to
the next thing so it's been kind of a
mental exercise for me just to know I do
I like doing laughs streams um we we
tried live-streaming for a while we did
our new show or our second weekly show
we did that as live stream but I just
ran into so many hurdles with the
internet problems and getting kicked out
and all sorts of stuff that I was like I
don't need that kind of stress in my
life so I'm just gonna go back to
pre-record yeah so you're talking to
might go back to it sometime but yeah
it's fun man I enjoy the community here
with it with the chat shout out to
everybody you know hanging out and a lot
of cool questions there I'm trying to
read read all the comments and stuff so
I do see them let's see
so you mentioned getting your your um
saying your mind straight your mind
right do you have you struggled or do
you deal with depression or mental
illness or anything I know you had joeys
FinCEN on from um Stan formerly of Emory
and of the bad Christian podcast who
that's this big thing he talks a lot
about as a Christian being okay with hey
some things aren't working right in my
head and I need help which we couldn't
add from a Christian you had to get
prayer to kind of get over that you know
what I'm saying did do you struggle with
any of that or that it's like chronic
depression or anything that that's a
struggle for you uh depression
yeah and I didn't even realize it until
started taking some DXM if you want to
really get demonetized but some mild
psychedelics that pulled me out of a
funk that I didn't realize I was in for
a long long time realized I was
depressed and actually realized that I
struggle with ADHD which is actually
probably what led to a lot of the
depression because I have a hard time
like I said I have a hard time focusing
on things and getting through a project
and so they
leads to like me not dedicating myself
to things I struggled with paranoia
struggled with not trusting people
around me and it caused a lot of
problems in relationships and family and
all that type of stuff
and right now I'm yeah working through
it working through it so yeah yeah
that's it's kind of taboo man you know
to talk about from a Christian
perspective and not even just a
Christian perspective but also the
spiritual perspective and I would a
hundred percent there's a lot of people
watching this show who are going through
some weird even mild psychosis we talk
we're talking about the moon being
Hollow and beings living in them or the
earth being Hollow and entities
communicating with them through the
earth we cover some really out there
stuff and I believe there's truth to a
lot of it but then again I go some of
our religion and even the spiritual
community it's a breeding ground for
people who hear voices right we talked
about this we talk about you know maybe
you're not crazy maybe you are
empathetic maybe you are picking up on
energies that other people and with
their strong personalities and you can't
look at them around be in the face
because of the energy and like there's a
lot of there's another way to look at a
lot of this stuff but then on the other
side of the seesaw is maybe I'm dealing
with a mental illness and it's it's
really hard to compare the two from
coming from the Christian perspective it
was all demons everything's demonic any
mental illness any type of illness
spirit of infirmity we're gonna cast it
out you got depression let me cast it
out of you you know I'm saying versus
changing your diet you know people know
beasts and just treating their body any
type of way and not knowing that that
has you know plays a part of your health
in a way that you feel the way that your
brain works or your second brain matches
your your gut your stomach but what are
you putting in your body it adds all of
this stuff to it and I get those
comments man and it makes sometimes it
makes me not want to answer my damn
inbox because I get them so much you
know yeah and it's weird but stop people
jump into everything
demon well that not really that more
just of the the mentally unstable people
who think that I'm a God reincarnated
who think that God sends he's here to be
my wife like a woman who's like stalking
me and my wife warning like wishing harm
upon my wife because she's my rightful
wife set by the Freemasons I got the
Italy ill and you know ready some crazy
circles yeah no I don't run it like
those are months get away from me like I
don't want to entertain that but stuff
but unknowingly we are it is crazy and
it is crazy for out their spiritual
etheric I'm a Palladian from the fifth
realm of density and I'm come here to
bring you good tidings like those people
they're there but I'm telling you and
know it sounds crazy it's funny the UFOs
and aliens but there was just as many
crazy people in in Christianity bro
who would say God told me that useful in
it versus Zeus told me that you were my
husband but we've seen the God told me
you were my husband and God right and
even though you're already a married man
happily married you're the pastor of the
church God spoke to this woman and said
that y'all were supposed to be together
like weird stuff like that and there's
this weird breeding grounds for this
stuff so and I get it too much it's sad
man and I talk about a lot I don't know
what I can do about it
you know what I'm saying mmm-hmm I don't
know do you get any of that
no so I say like like I dig into all the
things but I don't know may-maybe has
something to do with you going down you
go down more of the the esoteric and
spiritual realms I spirit I touch on it
for sure but I yeah I just put someone's
like let's talk about all the things yes
I mean some of those diehard conspiracy
theories I mean you're we're even
looking at targeted um sane targeted
individuals like that's raining and
there's a lot of people and that kind of
laps over to the spiritual that the
government's monitoring the government
sending me thoughts there are these cell
towers outside of my house that changed
the way that I feel day to day I mean
that's in the conspiracy
see circles that it's kind of a big
thing right now right mm-hmm G stuff
yeah five we're gonna be talking we need
to talk about 5g before it happens and
all of our brains are scrambled but yeah
there's a lot of strange stuff going on
and I'm just trying to figure out what
is trying to explore trying to whatever
and love people along the way and yeah
well I I don't I don't end up running
I think thankfully so far I haven't run
into too many of the people who think
that I'm a god and they need to take out
my wife to be with me or so I've never
no I haven't run into that yet no please
God yeah no but I think but obviously it
comes with the territory you know it it
comes with you know the big I don't
think it's gonna go away
you know I think this woman would maybe
go away but uh there's others you know
what I'm saying and was with religion
and with politics and with conspiracies
like you're the bigger you get there get
there come in bro
like know for sure for sure you're gonna
get the hey I'm a targeted individual I
need you to get this implant out help me
you're gonna get chase you're gonna get
that kind of stuff yeah today you always
have to be rational and and be humble
because you don't know what you're
talking about with everything right what
if they're right maybe they do maybe
they do I don't know but what if they're
right show up at my door with a with a
Red Solo Cup in your hand and you save
got an implant in your head I don't know
what to tell you man
I know I love you I hope that you can
work on more than just that implant in
your head and it's all we can do it's
crazy I don't know I know I joke around
and I say you know I joke around until
the whole wife thing comes up cuz my
wife doesn't like me joke about the wife
chair right like but I'll say like what
you know what of these people aren't
lying what if I die get to heaven and
talk to the father and he says you know
I sent the Archangel Michael to you and
he sent you messages on Facebook like I
get those messages hey I'm the Archangel
Michael do you believe me let's
meet together let's I'm gonna travel to
like angels use Facebook yeah for real
that's why I can travel to you they
messaged you on Facebook
yeah like if you can like we mean do I
believe that you are like if you are you
can show me you can appear here in my
room or whatever you know so show me
they don't ask me if I believe you
without any type of evidence but what if
I get to heaven and these and and gods
like I sent the Archangel Michael to you
I sent your real wife don't tell me why
I sent you your real wife and she tried
to tell you that you were your current
wife is an alien is what she says and
that y'all were supposed to be in I've
met my mother who was reincarnated from
a past life who's trying to reach out to
me through facebook messenger you know
and and these people aren't being funny
they're dead f insidious they think
they're my mother in another another
life I remind them of their son maybe
you know who they lost their son and I'm
with you I want to get to why the do you
believe that I'm your son is it random
or did you have a son that I remind you
of right and you're like that was my son
there's something a kindred connection I
don't know what it is you don't know why
do you believe that is it a chemical
imbalance did you watch too many
documentaries what is it I have a
compassion for you I'm not I don't want
to make fun of you especially if you're
dealing with a mental illness you know
it saying so it gets into some weird but
also don't stalk me definitely don't
stop me like we know we had to go file
police reports you know because I do
live appearances what if she shows up
mm-hmm
you know like this is real [Â __Â ] like for
real you know huh what do you do crazy
stuff man I don't know I don't have an
answer for you but no but like that
you're open to like maybe maybe I'll get
there and he'll be like yeah that's real
Michael came down he embodied this old
woman and she started you on Facebook
for a while like maybe I'm just gonna
feel bad for you yeah you were stubborn
Derek I tried to you know I wanted to
show you things in the spirit but you
wouldn't follow him you know you asked
for what did you follow on Facebook
you block them right like you have to I
really feel like you have to laugh about
this kind of stuff or will drive you mad
it really will dispel equality the
conspiracies and the politics those are
the big three you have to laugh about it
you have to and it's too serious why are
you laughing about this you know people
are dying people are being deceived NASA
and the moon and they're killing people
and pizza gate we know and we're pretty
sure we think that's happening like no
we men it's horrifying if it's happening
then yeah let's expose it but we can
also be human and you know tell a joke
in there it doesn't mean I'm making fun
of an atrocity that happened I'm just
being I'm just being me and me is
sometimes off-putting to others and
that's fine so that's I mean that's the
holy God another podcast really I mean
that's the whole thing with the whole
Alex Jones or Sandy Hook and all that
kind of stuff and I talked to uh OD DTV
who has a really big channel but he was
on here yeah and I was kind of
condescending towards conspiracy
theories just because I've kind of been
there and done that but uh I mentioned
you know this whole thing about the
Sandy Hook and then they're like these
people know there's no thinking there's
no let's do more research there's some
interesting information they know
without the shot beyond a shadow of a
doubt and at the end of the day with
these conspiracy theories especially
when it gets into that kind of stuff and
it can you know the staged whatever you
call it uh you know controlled
opposition stuff but uh if you're right
and you get to the bottom of it you're a
hero
if you can these people are actors and
they're hired and their own Craigslist
you know they're there's ads on
Craigslist and that's fake you can we
can go on and make one now screenshot it
upload it you're a hero
if you get to the bottom and say look
this really didn't happen you know your
kids died in vain whatever but if you're
not if you're wrong and you're declaring
like these people do in the faces of
someone who lost a child and you're
telling them that hey your kid
isn't really dead you're hiding them we
all know it nobody died in these events
you know you're the biggest douchebag
ever and you're right
you know and they're doing that I mean
that's why Alex Jones got the platform
right essentially right and that's what
I've said from the beginning of our show
like I'm not going to come out and say
9/11 was an inside job I might come out
and say let's look at 9/11 and see why
people think it was an inside job I mean
I might even think it was an inside job
but I'm not going to tell you it was
because more than likely people died and
I'm not going to pretend like they
didn't it I'm not going to you know
trying boost my numbers by saying by
saying you know there's all there's all
fake nobody died whatever people
probably died okay just chill out and
that's the thing about Alex Jones like
it with the Sandy Hook thing I'm gonna
keep saying it so make sure you get the
platform when he came out and was
talking about it he said definitively
this is what is and he always says this
is what is he knows what is yeah it's
like ah and because of that you have to
you have to backpedal because you keep
making these false claims that you know
what is even though you weren't there
unless you were there you don't know
there might be a piece of evidence that
you're missing just just say here's what
is here's what I've found now do with
that what you want that's kind of my my
point like I don't ever have to
backpedal because I've never said I know
a thing I've always just said let's
explore together let's explore the world
and try and figure out what is together
and there's if I'm never lying because
I'm never saying I know a thing I'm just
saying I know that I've found this
that's the only thing I know you know do
with that what you want
that's on you yeah I'm there too and I
think I think it comes from the
Christian background of saying that I
was right and this is the way and this
isn't the way you know in that kind of
thing so now I'm a little bit more open
to other belief systems and people
thinking outside the box or whatever the
case is cuz at the end of the day we
don't know they could be right I haven't
done it like people will say okay so
you're promoting that all roads lead to
heaven like all religions lead to heaven
are you saying that I don't know
I haven't practiced all religions I've
practiced this one they're not gonna
tell you the incisors haven't been to
heaven or to God right it's like I know
that this one did and I've seen people
on this other one that seems to be very
similar to where I was and this person
on this other one so maybe but then
again there's people within all of those
religions all of all of those
conspiracies all within those groups who
are crazy people and need to be in the
government in the Vatican all of them
yep you know there's some beautiful
Catholics out there band you know
there's some beautiful Christians they
say you know there's something that you
know there's some cool Muslim so there's
some cool Christians too you know yeah
throw that in the mix and I've been
there done that I guess yeah in our
forum we've got Catholics atheists
freemasons Muslim I don't know if we
have any Muslims but gays all sorts of
people just like we're just here being
human together and if there's a point to
life and if there's a point to church
it's just - in my opinion it's - I mean
in the Bible it says love your enemy I
would say that maybe did don't even
consider them your enemy just love the
person that you're talking to just
humble yourself and converse with
humanity because we you don't know
things and neither do they
so let's just talk about it it's okay it
just come down here in the chat triple-m
says and I'm assuming they're talking
about um Alex Jones but says yeah but
he's a performance artist not his fault
they can't read between and separate the
man and the truth I'm assuming he's
talking about Alex Jones what do you
think about that like that
I'm definitely if like if I get in
trouble I'm gonna scream that true Sikh
is a persona you know I'm saying like
that's I'm ready to say it right I made
it all right true seekers a persona you
know I'm in the spirituality you know
I'm not but I'm willing to sing if my
life was on the line maybe or whatever
yeah so I'm just that's what Alex Jones
did you know he said I'm a character I'm
a persona online describes he got a
crazy conspiracy and I'm playing a
playing a role like he said that in
court
his kids were on the line he took his
kids from him
what do you think I had Alex Jones his
ex-wife on my show yeah Jones
you did and like getting the other side
of that story she says that he's a he's
a monster douchebag but she also doesn't
say that he's Bill Hicks and she's lived
with him like like there's so many
different ways to approach the type of
thing like I've definitely had thoughts
of maybe Alex Jones is paid off to you
know throw out bits of information be
controlled opposition and lead people
down a crazy path and make conspiracy
people look crazy but there's also
another part of me that's like there's a
lot of compelling things did the Bill
Hicks argument if you actually dig into
it it seems crazy but if there's a lot
of stuff there but Kelly Jones III also
choose to believe her that she's known
him as Alex Jones I'd take her at her
word um maybe she's lying I don't know
like there's there's so many
possibilities for Alex Jones to come out
and say that he was playing in character
if I'm if I'm being humble and honest I
can say if I'm taking him at his word
that all the things he's saying he
believes and whatever he's just human
made sure he could have he could have
just come out and said you know it's a
character because yeah if if I'm in
court and I'm fighting for my life for
my kids you know he probably has a whole
lot of mental issues too um I'm gonna
say whatever you need to hear so that I
can paint kids so I'll throw the whole
business under the bus and if I can
still keep the business after great that
it's it goes back to the the buzz aldrin
thing like stop stop stop that's
assuming that every single little tiny
thing is a mic drop moment Alex Jones
said that so Alex Jones is a shill like
maybe not maybe yeah maybe maybe he is
maybe he's not it's not his like stop
just playing the same things over and
over in your mind and putting them on
YouTube for three hours the same clip
over and over with x-files music behind
it that is not a mic drop moment and
you're doing yourself a disservice
you're doing the whole truther community
a disservice by putting those out there
you are becoming the control opposition
by buying into that and just
running headlong into the darkness with
yeah you're a flag that has one tiny bit
of evidence that isn't even evidence of
anything like yeah I don't know it's
just it's crazy I really believe in a
happy ending right
I want to happen you any more than
anything in life you know what I'm
saying to kind of go out and whether
it's you know saying leave a legacy die
happy with your wife in your arms
something like that you know kids by
yourself whatever maybe everybody goes
at the same time I really believe in a
happy ending and maybe so because I'm
seeing so many bad endings within my own
family and friends and things like that
and people who were in church and then
they were ministers and now they're on
drugs strung out you know but then we
look at so I'm really big into this
happy-ending thing and look at what's
going on in in Hollywood and so we talk
about the Illuminati and paying a price
for fortune and fame to be in Hollywood
to be one of the a list or celebrities
there is this notion that in order to do
that part of the part of that persona or
part of that deal and I've heard seen
videos on this I don't know much about
it we're just on this idea out there
part of the idea is the fact that you
can have it but in the end like you have
to come to ruin like you have to be
destroyed at the end and we look at a
lot of these people and there's so many
like we could just go on we can you know
forever
Elvis we look at Elvis we look at like
you know right now our Kelly Alex Jones
Bill Cosby what if they did sign a
contract what if they did make a deal
and at the end of their life at the end
of their contract it has to be taken
from them you know what I'm saying it
almost seems like something like that's
happening or are they just finding out
all these dirt and that all these people
were douchebags from the beginning you
know did they have to go along with it
do they have to kind of accept their
fate of you can you see that as being an
option or a scenario that's being played
out with all these celebrities I mean at
you don't say what's gonna Becky from a
full house
you know all this stuff going on with
her
with you know paying for her kids to get
into school and all that stuff they just
hit the news - I know I know I'm not
entirely sure what you're asking well
I'm asking do you think that some of
these people far as the Illuminati or
whatever on some of these celebrities
have they signed contracts or made
secret oaths or pangs that they can be
successful but in the end of their turn
and will at the end of their success
they have - maybe it's a god thing
maybe it's the Matt when you choose the
path of darkness in the end it doesn't
end well look at Michael Jackson look at
Bill Cosby maybe it's just just the way
the universe works but maybe it's us
assigned oh yeah
that hey you can have all this money
this beautiful life you're gonna you
know drink the finest of wines and eat
from a golden spoon but at the end we're
gonna take it you only have 40 years to
do this and we're gonna help you but
part of our ritual is we have to rip it
from you the stars must fall like what
do you think I don't know I think that's
definitely a possibility that it could
be some sort of Illuminati thing yeah
I'm open to that I also think it could
be you know you you get the money you
get the power you get the fame just like
from a lay person's perspective you just
don't need we can't handle all that we
can't like as humans we can't we're not
meant to have that much pressure on
ourselves and so we end up snapping at
some point and go down a dark path like
once like I mean look at people like
Johnny Depp like you get to a certain
level of success you never wanted to be
the Disney Pirates of the Caribbean guy
he wanted to be like the art film guy
and then suddenly he's everywhere and he
can't go anywhere without being noticed
like II that level of pressure for the
human brain you eventually turned to he
said that he spends like a half a
million dollars on wine I'm every month
it's like what do you do we there's you
don't have a life anymore outside of
this box that you've created for
yourself
and so yeah eventually you just go crazy
because you can't
just exist in nature and then in the
world and really enjoy life for what it
is because you are you are this product
that has been created and you can't
escape that no matter what you do unless
you like Chappell out to Africa or
something yeah go to another country
because you don't want to be a part of
it and there's there's theories about
Michael Jackson actually not being dead
and leaving the country faking his death
to leave the country just so that he
could go and live a normal life for I'm
not saying I believe it but it makes
sense like when you get to that point
that level of stardom where you're like
I either kill myself to get away from
the madness like the this constant cycle
of cameras in my face no matter where I
go or I you know leave the country and
go live amongst simpler people yeah it's
good stuff man dan I appreciate your
coming on hanging out with me man I
really enjoyed this podcast we're
getting into a bunch of conspiracy
theories all that kind of stuff talking
about the moon and everything else as
well let people know where they can go
to check out the trailer for the
documentary and as well you have it you
have an IndieGoGo campaign where people
can help fund it because it's definitely
costly you've kind of pulled back on
some other things that you're doing so
that you can focus more up on making
this documentary that everybody knows
the links that they can go to to get
involved and help you create this film
man for sure man first off thanks so
much for having me on I really
appreciate it it's been fun long good
in-depth chat I don't get enough of that
in my life even though I do it all I
mean I don't get enough of this
it's hitted miss yes but yeah the
podcast you can find at TSI d-pod comm
it's called the system is down we talk
about all these things conspiracies
politics and religion do so with an open
civil mind and it's on all the platforms
iTunes stitcher Google Play and all
those things to YouTube for the the film
itself the documentary you can find it
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calm or moon myth legend calm and you
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IndieGoGo I'm not I don't actually
necessarily need money because I don't
had
make all the things but I'm going to run
into some some snags along the way that
will need some financing but mostly the
IndieGoGo is a just a way to preorder so
you can get digital copies you can get
the DVD you can get posters and merch
and stuff like that
moon myth legend calm about you trying
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because you're supporting it and that
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or another I will be doing it and I set
the goal as low as you could which i
think is just like $500 so yeah it's
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the stuff at moon myth legend com
Thank You Man thanks for the podcast bro
I enjoyed it everybody get your money
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got we got a lot of good feedback from
different people in the chat they loved
you man cool and uh I appreciate it
we'll do it again soon man absolutely
anytime you want me man go one each
piece yep yeah ladies and gentlemen make
sure y'all go and check out the episode
that I did with him on his podcast so I
did an episode it's been been some time
ago now probably over a year but it was
a good show and uh like I say he he took
a chance having me on and some of his
followers some of his people quit quit
watching quit paying attention when I
came on as a guest so make sure that was
a good episode make sure y'all go check
that out
yeah man so many conspiracy theories
right where do they in I mean you see
why the people make a good living
talking about these conspiracy theories
and stuff and I don't really I I call
myself not really you know getting into
a lot of this stuff anymore it doesn't
move me that much it's interesting it's
definitely interesting but I don't
tackle a lot of these subjects anymore
from my perspective I mean people would
say that the whole alien thing or the
god thing or the spiritual ESP all of
these things which I love to cover right
they would say that that those things
are conspiracies right that those things
are just made up and and stuff talking
about aliens and stuff like that so
you I think you've really just got to
pick your battles at the end of the day
and so because they're like one rabbit
hole leads to the next and I was talking
about people getting into conspiracy
theories and so there are certain things
that are you know wake people up that
there's certain things that are you know
I remember when I was working a regular
job and I had to get up really early I
had to get up there like eventually I
had to get up at 1:30 in the morning to
go to work and I would set my alarm
clock but eventually my alarm clock
wouldn't wake me up anymore
I would set the alarm and then I would
sleep through it and it would just
incorporate into my dream like in my
dream I would be getting up getting
ready for work or getting ready for
school whatever and it wouldn't wake me
up in the morning I had to have another
alarm so I set the regular alarm and I
set my cell phone and the cell phone
would play a different alert and that
tone is what woke me up so the cell
phone would instantly wake me up when it
when that tone went off and so I think
it's like that spiritually I think it's
like that consciously when we're talking
about conspiracy theories politics or
religion those are the three major ones
right and within those three there's
things that wake people up you find out
that the pastor's sleeping with women in
the church you're like oh damn now I've
lost faith in church
some people have lose faith in God when
that happens or whatever but it's
usually something that wakes you up to
start looking into the dark side maybe a
9/11 was a big one I know early on for
me it was 9/11 I watched one of the
documentaries what was that um
Fahrenheit 9/11 which really it's deep
but it gets a lot deeper like who says
that and I got it and I got started
listening to music I was listening to
immortal technique I don't listen to
immortal technique anymore like you know
but I was listening to music that talked
about the government that talked about
9/11 that talked about false flags and
all of these kind of thing
to whatever so that stuff woke me up
early on got into Mason's
got into and still into religion right
the Bible and Christianity but just kind
a little bit deeper a little bit deeper
a little bit deeper as you keep going
and like you say there's no in to these
conspiracies genealogies continue who
are the Illuminati bloodline like all of
this stuff continues to go and there's
no end to it there really there really
isn't and um and you find other
information that contradicts what you
believe and you've been studying and
even preaching or putting out videos for
this stuff for years and now you find
information that contradicts what you've
been teaching openly for years right and
then you have to kind of renege and kind
of retract and apologize so hopefully
and and kind of make it right but
there's different things that wait
different people up I couldn't wake up
to that alarm some friends as soon as
they hear that alarm they're they're up
and atom ready for work you know and uh
so I respect it right I respect that
different people are in certain types of
communities and groups and they believe
certain types of information for a
reason so um but I think that it all
ties in together so for me I'm at this
point now to where like there's nothing
you that you can tell me that's gonna
shock me like that's where I am with
conspiracy research that goes for Flat
Earth
that goes for hollow moon that goes for
all of it that goes for 9/11 that goes
with false flags whatever I think a lot
of people are brand-new to that survey I
found out all this information I've seen
the video why is the same crisis actor
in every video why is she showing up
watch this lady showing up at every
event you know these different things
that kind of stick out to you well you
know hey something's going on man
something's going on there's a lot going
on and whatever it is that wakes you up
to that that higher truth to start
asking those bigger questions man people
start fighting for tooth and nail again
religion you were hooked on drugs you
were an alcoholic you were a savage and
then you gave your life to Christ now
you're at peace with God you want to
tell everybody you have the secret of
the universe
you have the secret formula to end
alcoholism you have the secret formula
to end pornography addiction you have
the secret formula so you're not a jerk
anymore and it's Jesus so you start
telling everybody screaming it from
rooftops doing whatever you can and
you've become annoying because that's
your spiel Jesus Jesus Jesus that's
understandable it changed your life
you're gonna want to tell everybody
you're gonna be overbearing you're gonna
suffer persecution you know you keep
telling people the same thing with
veganism you know somebody finds
veganism they start watching
documentaries from PETA they start
watching documentaries about you know
the big you know I'm saying farming
industries and what they're doing to
these animals and how they're breeding
them and chemicals are shooting into
them and it's like
inhumane so that becomes your gospel
that becomes your you're telling
everybody you're making people mad
you're known that every time you come up
you're as a vegan guy or you're the
weight loss guy or whatever it is you're
known for that and so people just cling
on to these these truths or whatever and
at the end of the day I don't think that
any one of these things in and of itself
is the end-all when it comes to
Authority or when it comes to truth or
the answer I think it's right there in
the middle of all of it in the middle of
all of it the conspiracies the the
research the religion Jesus all of it
it's right in the middle you go to any
church and you got Jesus but they're
obese they're still depressed you know
the scripture says that you shall know
the truth and the truth shall make you
free how come if you if your church has
the truth why is everybody bound up by
pornography addiction pill addiction why
are the divorce rates so high in church
you have Jesus but you can't keep your
marriage together hey what's going on
like there's some type of facade that
you're living in that really doesn't
have any power it doesn't have any
weight whatever religion whatever you
know conspiracy it's not an end-all to
it so again when you come to me with
these different conspiracies I don't
I believe in the devil I believe in like
a a negative energy or entities that may
be all together make up Satan I make up
a kingdom of darkness that is the
adversary not to God but is their
adversary to us that fight against us
that war with us in the spirit realm in
heavenly places I believe in that
believe there's a battle going on for
your mind as a battle going on for your
soul 100% the universe doesn't exist
without positive and negative you have
to have the duality you have to have
both sides for any of this to work just
to have the battery you have to have the
positive and negative you have to have
the yin and the yang it's in all of it
so for you to be able to make that
contrast and understand that you're in
the middle there is a balance I'm
telling you it's not just all or nothing
we our minds work like that
religion works like that you see they're
all or nothing you can't be lukewarm all
or nothing and we've just been on these
these these waves where like we either
all in or we're all out all this or all
that we're 100% here 100% there it is a
balance there with your religion with
your spirituality and all of this stuff
so that's what it comes out to at the
end of the day there's nothing you can
tell me that's gonna blow my mind I
don't have to search it out to prove it
I know the devil is wicked I know that
people are dark and wicked I know that
there's people ruling I've done enough
of research I've watched enough
documentaries I've had enough
experiences spiritually to know that
there's more going on that there's a
good side there's a bad side and that
the Bible is true when it says choose
this day who you will serve with you
know what who are you gonna serve
knowingly or unknowingly so that's why I
don't really get into a lot of it I
don't really look into it I've mentioned
you know it's splitting the fan base
they tell you don't talk about religion
politics I guess we could though
conspiracies in there don't talk about
it because you're going to split your
fan base I don't want to do that I don't
even though we already do
we talked about the beginning you we're
talking about you know spirituali
spirituality conspiracies now we're
talking about Jesus so you just kind of
fine-tuning your niche to a smaller
audience because like with each idea
with each each each stance that you take
or you talk about or say that you
believe in you're gonna find tuna down
either even smaller you know but I'm
okay with that
that's cool but essentially I said that
on an on a podcast where I interviewed
Santos Bonacci like I knew what flat
earth was I knew how big it was I have a
bunch of friends who are into it I never
got into it even with a platform I seen
it because I've I know rabbit trails I
know how you can get into it and it will
consume you any of it the Jesus thing
the conspiracies the religious the
politics it can consume you I did not
need and don't need anything like that
to consume me to be what spiritually
well-rounded instead of focusing on all
the negative stuff or whatever I
understand the government lies you're
gonna understand that the pastor's lie
people like it's people we're dealing
with people people lie so when it comes
down to dealing with Flat Earth for me I
said this on the Santos Bonacci show the
first like really deep research I did I
guess or conversation I had was with
Santos Bonacci and I think he's one of
the the leading experts when it comes to
flat earth so I had Santos Bonacci on
but I was able to see what flat earth
did to him
it did to his fan base and did to him
and he split his fan base right down the
middle and because that became all he
talked about and he from someone who was
well rounded in spirituality in what I
would call some some biblical truth as
well the zodiac the body the mind the
spirit how everything works being very
well rounded it shifted to where it
became all about flat earth or all about
veganism
and making fun of meat-eaters and making
fun of those type of people so I've had
Santos Bonacci on a couple times I had
that conversation with him but I seen
what it did to him and I've seen what
it's done to other people and how other
people laugh at it so I made sure that I
didn't go down that road to split the
fanbase in half not really I mean I know
that it would do that but that it would
it would pull me away from what I'm
called to do and I didn't need that it's
not that I don't believe in it or it's
it's not a thing or whatever to me it's
it's whatever it doesn't again for me
what does it have to do with the price
of rice in China what does it what does
it change about the way that I operate
the type of father that I am the type of
friend that I am the type of husband
that I am getting into flatters and just
you know it's interesting read it for
yourself look into it but when you
become you become a spokesperson for the
Flat Earth Society you know you be that
becomes your gospel without even knowing
it or without even wanting it to be so
um and now we look at this now so I see
hoary seats he's in the chat and he says
truseq I'm close with many of the bigger
speakers of Flat Earth Marx sarg'nt
David wise Bob from globe Buster's
Robbie Davison who run big events and
I've done commercials how do you feel
about Santos Bonacci on him you know I
see what it done CentOS is kind of in a
bad place man because of all that kind
of stuff and also how do you feel about
Logan Paul being a big big name one of
the biggest name flat-earthers now Logan
Paul you know a lot of people have kind
of put their credibility on the line
because they believed in it they
believed in it and then they've kind of
you know b.o.b the rapper he definitely
stuck his head out there now there's all
the other people saying well those guys
are Sheils
those guys are controlled opposition
they were planted by the by the
government to get in here and in trick
people mess people up I've had people
say that about me you definitely hear
that about Jordan Maxwell somebody
a while ago and said that you know all
these names and all these people had
there's documentaries and videos
exposing them you haven't made it unless
there's a video exposing you your
favorite pastor your favorite teacher
there's videos exposing them and if
there's not brother Wayne will make one
that's what he does
Oh Triple M says Logan Paul is the next
young toh Rogen
yeah he's tryna take off in a podcasting
game he's seen money he's seen that
there was a niche there so he's got his
podcast going on interviewing a bunch of
big names that was so weird man
it's so weird but anyway I think it's
enough of the rambling for here it was a
good show
I enjoyed uh you know getting into
conspiracy theories I I like them and
ever it reminds me of like when I first
got into this type of stuff cuz it was
into some of the things that kind of
pull you but you don't want that to
become your gospel you don't want that
to be what you're known for I'm known
for the guy who proved that the earth is
flat or the guy who argues with people
about the the flat earth or whatever I
don't want to be that guy you know some
of you have become that guy don't even
know it not just flat earth I'm just you
become that guy there to say you watch
out for him stay away from him you've
given him a good reason to know uh Horry
says uh y'all check out his channel too
I check him out when he goes live
sometimes as well he says what I do is
go on chatroulette you know tinychat in
other places and riding the Tesla that
they launch speaking that I'm a flat
earth to unsuspecting Internet goers
it's funny yeah man I've seen uh I've
seen some of that it's it is funny
chatroulette is crazy very crazy I don't
go in there but I've seen those videos
where people do it so anyway yeah that's
the end of this show man imma go ahead
and end it let me know what topics you
want to see me cover like I I exist for
the audience as well I do take
suggestions and stuff especially for
people who support
on patreon most of the townspeople will
hit me up as a hey look into this guy
try to get him on I do send those emails
out you know if I have people who
support me and they want to hear
so-and-so on the show I send the emails
I don't always hear back but I do send
those emails out most of the time let me
know if there's any particular guess
you'd like to have on the show or any
topics that you'd like to see me cover
try to make it happen even though I
don't really get into the conspiracy
stuff I I know 100% obviously look at
the numbers that you know some of the
conspiracy stuff is what the fans like I
they want to hear those crazy theories I
don't know why it sells people say that
it doesn't but it does man you know I'm
not really the more interviews I do with
people the more I talk about the stuff
the less I want to you know the less I
believe people all these spiritual gurus
come on here the less I believe them you
know and I could see through it maybe
it's a spiritual gift of discernment but
I can read people I could see through it
and I'll have people on how I'm just
like man you don't even believe what
you're telling me and you know it and
you know I know it you know you have
these people on here and but you know at
the end of the day you know we can say
we had the conversation and there's a
lot of people who are just afraid of the
conversation and that's one thing you
could say that I didn't do and just
doing that as kind of created the
platform that I'm not scared to have the
conversation we were told not to have
the conversation from a Christian
perspective told not to don't give these
people a platform don't let them tap
into your platform all of these kinds of
things most of you guys wouldn't know
who I was unless I networked with these
people outside of of these realms
obviously Danny Danny Goro he tells me
straight up he found me by listening to
the Bizzy Bone interview that I did Kris
Garner's in chat you said you found me
through the Kelly coffee interviews back
in the day Christy folks found me
because I interviewed seven the wrapper
from hog mob Christian rapper seven so
but there was something that you
resonated with so I'm open to kind of
having these conversations with people
and I understand here a little there a
little
at the end of the day you know I feel
like I have something to offer too so
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Deb's Cassie says I found you on
Facebook being mentioned by Jay Friedman
that had to be a long time ago I'm
pretty sure he's not mentioning me
anymore
but that's what's up yeah see I mean
everybody that's a beautiful story to
once you see the chat blowing up and a
lot more people in the community you
know we're talking about understanding
the mind understanding why you believe a
certain type of doctrine or belief
system I want to get to the bottom of it
even this why do you like what I do I
mean some people like it because of the
spiritual side some people like it
because of the Jesus side that I still
talk about Christ in the midst of this
kind of stuff everybody has a different
reason why they're here and there's
different people how they got here to be
a part of this community it's not just
the podcast it's not just a talking head
like I really believe that we are doing
life together okay Christian says I
found you by the first album I don't
know what you mean by that what do you
think my first album was so let me know
about that I don't know it was first huh
that's weird you don't know what album
it was a lot of people I can say they
didn't find me until I started doing
more of the spiritual hip-hop there's
not a lot of people that have hung
around from the early days right from
the but there are so
shout-out to those people for sure okay
that was my man spiritual alchemy that
definitely wasn't the first album that
was like my fourth third or fourth for
real yeah my first album came out in
2006 most people don't own it but I'm I
did put it up on iTunes it's uh it's a
Christian rap album it's um it's a fight
music is the name of it but it's kind of
corny very corny actually so all good so
yeah yeah check out my patreon check out
all that stuff everything helps man any
any little bit helps and so even if you
can't give and stuff like that people
share in my work and just being a part
of the community we're growing good
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check it out with that I must say peace
and Shalom and I love you guys Northside
says I was recommended in their
recommended videos that's the best way
like my YouTube works with you in
recommends your videos and it falls upon
the right person
half and half says I found you from the
Jordan Maxwell interviews that's what's
up I mean those are big interviews and
thank you for the donation by the way I
didn't get to say it it played out I
know it played out on the on the chat
here but thank you for that for the the
donation what's up I heard Dumbledore
says found you in the astral plane just
kidding yeah I found you cuz I was your
mother and I was your little brother in
the past life and I found you and I'm
here to reconcile what I did to you in
the past life crazy crazy crazy hold it
together people you can do it you can
have a peace of mind I found it in
Christ it worked I was going crazy I was
those schizophrenic so I'm talking about
I was becoming one like really like
having my mind taken from me by entities
that felt like were they were a lot
stronger than I was but there's a piece
of monitor so anybody out there who's
struggling with
illness I believe there's help
I believe there's different ways and
different things that we can do to cope
with these energies these these
vibrations that were receiving from
everywhere the different winds being
pushed around by the winds I believe
those winds are solar winds spiritual
winds the Bible talks about being pushed
around by doctrinal winds I believe that
those winds are coming from a lot of
different places and that you can be
grounded on your foundation for me the
foundation is Christ
you know I urge you to seek that out
that foundation will not be moved you
can build upon it everything else that
can be will be shaken if you build your
house upon shifting sands it could be
shaken when the rain comes something's
gonna happen go out there and build a
sandcastle at the beach and what happens
when it rains or what happens when the
tide rises what happens to that
sandcastle but if you build a house on a
firm foundation anything that you build
on top of that that's gonna be good it's
gonna be shaken you have to prove what
you believe we're gonna be other ideas
and doctrines and theologies but at the
end of the day that foundation won't be
shaken there's a peace there a peace
that passes all understanding man and
it's good good stuff if you need prayer
if you need somebody to talk to I am
available via discord or email or
whatever just uh yeah hit me up keep it
civil love you guys with that I'm gonna
say peace and Shalom we're gonna do this
again very soon let me know - in the
chat I'm thinking about aDNA a Wednesday
night live stream as well maybe
something different maybe a roundtable
with more than one because I've been
talking about that since we've been got
started maybe a roundtable or maybe a
prayer session
Wednesday night live prayer session kind
of done both of those in the past let me
know what you guys think hit me up on
discord peace peace love y'all
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