Near-Death Experience | The Man Who Died To Live | Robert Kopecky

Near-Death Experience | The Man Who Died To Live | Robert Kopecky
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we have Robert Kopecky Robert welcome to
the show brother how are you thanks very
much
definitely man so we talked about
near-death experiences and I think that
there's a lot of people who have claimed
to have them and it changed their life
and found their calling and things like
that you've had multiple near-death
experiences I don't know if you want to
tie them all in together or maybe start
with the first one that's that would be
a great place to start what happened and
what I can get through kind of quick and
time together
needless to say you know don't don't
follow my example well one thing I can
tell people this took me about 15 years
or so they were spread out and you know
near-death experiences come as
particular motifs you know some people
walk through the tunnel and see the
light and come to a field and they meet
their relatives and stuff that
particular one did not happen for me
but I did have I did have three sort of
classic motifs not a body experience a
life review and a being for
back into this life so now my first one
just to jumped into it I was living in
Los Angeles and I was art directing and
illustrating and all the kind of stuff
for that data as a career aside from
writing these books and I got in a
single car accident where I glanced off
an oddly parked car while I was fussing
with it with the sound equipment in my
car and drove it straight into a
telephone pole and the next instant I
found myself at the top of the telephone
pole next to the streetlight it was dusk
there was a moth flying around the
streetlight and stuff and I looked down
and there's steam roiling out of the
crashed car and his body kind of hanging
out of the window I could look over the
hedges into people's yards and stuff and
this unfamiliar neighborhood that I was
in and see lights going on and people
running out to see what the crash was
and stuff and then I witnessed the the
ambulance pull up and then load me into
the ambulance and taking me away
kind of at that time I was not aware or
conscious of having a body at all I just
I felt liberated I felt this as many
near-death experiencers would tell you
most of the time and their experiences
they feel like they're kind of released
from the bondage of material selfness
you know and just kind of expanding into
a greater of sort of matrix of loving
realities there's good love right you
folder to the love and that's that's the
sensation that I have and had in all
three of them and that's where I come to
my idea anyway this one was a little bit
more heavenly than particularly my last
one I was kind of shepherded off to a
place that was like a park really like
pastoral setting and underwent is kind
of an interview almost like a job
interview or something I don't remember
exactly the littles with and we count
these stories I try not to go anywhere
that I don't remember you know good I've
had more realizations about them over
the years they're meaningful to me but I
don't
like I have enough faith in the
mechanisms of memory you know so they
tend to be kind of self enhancing and
stuff like that so I just try to stick
exactly to the memory as I added a
couple of days afterwards I didn't away
from this experience which I don't
remember exactly how it ended but with
this kind of inner energy sort of thing
I woke about 20 hours later in the
hospital and I got plastic surgery and
was all wrapped up in a bandage and and
probably the notable aspect about this
experience is that a couple of weeks
later I went back to the location where
the accident happened and I walked
around on the ground and looked behind
those hedges and stuff and saw
everything the way that I had seen it
from up on top of the telephone Oh so I
confirmed that for myself that was about
all that I really had in terms of
interacting with people about this at
the time back in the mid 80s that
near-death experiences were not very
popular a lot talked about them and so I
just kind of went on with my material
life suits my first one wow that's
that's pretty profound so so you sent
you sent me your new book the book is
how to get to heaven without without
really dying yeah that's that's the
important part so you've already done
that you come back with a message I
think the majority of people who cross
over they come back with some type of
message whether it's don't fear you're
gonna be greedy you're gonna be loved
some type of message of hope some people
experience some demonic sounding stuff
or some torture hell demons things like
that you talk about some of the other
experiences that you've had with the
near-death experiences where any of them
like that at all but my third one had
little elements of that but the thing
that I find interesting because all of
this happened for me a few years after
my third one I never got in
the near-death experience thing as a
lifestyle at all during those
intervening years
it wasn't until sometime afterwards when
I had kind of a different kind of death
it had kind of an ego death and I
changed paths completely I took off on a
spiritual path in my life
I started a meditation practice and I
became fascinated with all this old
scripture and you know philosophy and
stuff like that that I've never been
interested in boy and that's when it all
kind of came together for me but in
looking at my three experiences I
suppose that you know one might have
profoundly changed me like it does with
a lot of near-death experiencers but
like I said I just kind of suppress it
and moved on into my life and then the
second one was unlike the first one
completely and by the third one being
completely unlike either the other two
then I got a few years later about ten
years ago as though I started wondering
why are these all so different and since
I put my first book yeah how to survive
life and death and 2014 I've been part
of this community of near-death
experience just kind of whether I wanted
to be or not I hadn't expected at all
but I have heard hundreds of stories and
I've shared time with people that have
had near-death experiences and we all do
have certain things in common that I
relate to heaven but every one of our
experiences even though they might be
similar in some ways is unique and it's
like custom-made and so my idea of what
my feeling about it is that we are
creating karma in every instant and that
has to do with my second near-death
experience jaqen I can tell you I could
just think of the idea of creating our
karma and then having to deal with it on
the other side is that kind of where you
gonna go with it yeah it was it was a
life review it's what's called a life
review and and I had a I had traveled
extensively with my first wife to a
bunch of spiritual places around the
world and then I I basically left our
marriage and I moved to New York City
and I was doing very well professionally
but I was living the total nacht
downtown lifestyle just very
self-destructive I'd had I suppose and
fart because of the first near-death
experience I'd had this kind of I've
been thrown into this kind of quandary
about life I was never feeling really
comfortable anywhere and so I was
looking for some relief really I ended
up having essentially a drug overdose
was the cause which is a lifestyle
cascading toxic experiences that I'll
pile up on me and I fell out on the
floor of my apartment I felt kind of
paralyzed from the neck down I could not
move the room filled in this time I
didn't go anywhere but it kind of came
to me the room filled in and this
brilliant white cloud like you'd see out
the out the window of a jack when you're
flying up through the sky and again I
wasn't I didn't feel really alone I
hadn't felt really alone in the first
one I was kind of shepherded off in this
version this time I was directed to look
into this cloud and it kind of a screen
opened it was not like a movie screen
but kind of like a box of experience so
to speak and started to show me these
scenes from my life not the greatest
hits for these kind of pivotal moments
when I had not been pressed when I
hadn't realized that I was building my
karma or creating my Karma
the cause and effect of my life in every
moment you know this this moment never
changes no matter how old we are this is
where we experience life right in the
eternal both sites know it's a presence
after the after the lesson of
perspective from my out-of-body one the
lesson of presence is what this is about
and about the fact that we're always
living in these boxes of time that we're
able to reach in and make things after
their life now is the only time we make
things happen you know so we're creating
our karma all the time and in a way
we're creating not just our near-death
experiences or what happens in the next
life but we're experimenting we're
creating what we experience in this life
all the time
mm effect that's interesting
I'm very intrigued by that and I've been
dealing with a lot of death themes
lately I had a cousin just passed away
most likely from an overdose we really
haven't heard for sure but I was asked
to come speak at his memorial service
and stuff and then my grandmother who's
alive is has been diagnosed with liver
disease and she was given like a month
to live and she asked me to speak at her
eulogy and to lead it and these are
weird feelings I've never been asked
that before especially from someone you
love if it's we have under half friends
and stuff we do this for strangers all
the time but when it's someone close to
you you're you you know it makes it a
little bit more real how do we send this
person off do we ignore this concept of
death do we try to give some solace and
what is to happen quite frankly I've
been to I mean I've studied the
religious texts about what has is said
to happen I think I think it's a little
vague even biblically like there's some
cool stuff in there but I think it's
still a little vague until you really
experience it and what the energy is and
what you know we're not gonna be as
these bodies which a lot of people try
to paint that type of picture so in you
people don't want to give up memories
and give up relationships and things
like that you know when we cross over so
I've been contemplating this a lot but
you're talking about going to that side
and bringing back knowledge wisdom
understanding about your life path what
are the true things like the Bible talks
a lot about these things of eternal
value and there's some stuff that you
can do on earth that you can kind of
take with you to the other side or
what's going to what you're gonna be
known for essentially right how does
that kind of fit into what you're
talking about no we have the power
within the now moment but what are some
of the things that maybe have that
lasting value that's gonna echo through
eternity well you're always creating
your life obvious you're always creating
this life and no you're not thinking
about it you may very well be creating
your next
- as is indicated by the different kinds
of near-death experiences that there are
yeah I mean the one big lesson that I
bring back if they're all their death
experiences do is if this is not it
right yeah goes on we were we were alive
before we were born I believe and we're
alive after we die we transitioned from
this mode from you know from this
vehicle and so we are transdimensional
and when you are experiencing these
feelings around the deaths in your life
in this life that's because you're trans
dimensional and and you are realizing
this kind of bubble this kind of sacred
bubble where we begin to occupy when we
are showing up for the people in our
life that we love as they make that
passage you know when you're in a room
when a baby is born or if you're in a
room when a person dies there is
something tangible there that is going
on in that atmosphere it's not like the
rest of your life all the time yeah at
little moment is precious and sacred and
you know you have to show for that right
that's like in my second year death
experience I had these things happen
where I hadn't been present for it right
maybe let people down or I missed an
opportunity or created some bad karma
for myself or something and when you are
showing up for the people in your life
the way that you are you are fulfilling
those moments of opportunity in your
life and answering that kind of eternal
call you know that's we're all here for
each other for some reason it's to fill
in these parts of ourselves somehow and
it's all part of the big cycle you know
hopefully somebody's gonna show up for
you when you pass on to right you know
and so we need not fear about there
being life after death I'm quite
positive that there is I'm here to tell
you that but at the same time you know
don't ask me to prove it right now it's
not something anybody anybody in human
form where he wants to experience
because of our instincts to live you
can't there's people who are trying
to experience it now we can talk about
that here in a little bit but I wanted
to bring up this notion I'm really big
into like a lot of the biblical texts as
they are and then a lot of this stuff
that's taken out of the Canon like some
of the stuff that the early church
believed in there's a book called the
apocalypse of Peter which talks about
when you die
essentially the demons or the the
destruction in the Karma that you've
built up for yourself on the earth the
bad things that you've done to people
the hurtful things that for a time earn
those spirits will be loosed to torment
you on the other side and it goes into
like the script of detail about rape and
killings and murders and beatings and
stuff like that if that and I'm not
saying that that's that's what happens
that just no that was in the apocalypse
of Peter if that scenario exists
maybe if we believe it it exists for us
if that scenario at all exists and we
definitely see bad karma we definitely
see people who have had a lifestyle of
destruction drug use stealing robbing
taking from people stuff like that once
you have this awakening the near-death
experience can you undo that karma on
this existence kind of like right the
wrongs and kind of erase that stuff I
feel like you can yeah yeah definitely
and you know I mean it's kind of a
no-brainer that if you do bad things
you're going to go to hell if you do
good things you're gonna go to heaven we
don't pay for our sins we live with and
we live with in whatever life we're
living that's paying form right there
right yeah you talking about the the
what's called the Apocrypha of early
Christianity the Gnostic writers do and
in the middle section of the book the
present section I go into some of that
because we live in the eternal now all
the time the wisdom that is that is
present in this moment has always been
present in this room so we can go back
to things that I have to some of this
some of the samples I have in the middle
of the book or the bhagavad-gita where
the Dhammapada and I have the guy
full of Thomas which is one of those
Gnostic cosmos I find very very
meaningful in fact it kind of provides
the theme to this book which is in lo
Gian 1:13 Yeshua and the Gospel of
Thomas says the kingdom of heaven is
spread across the earth but men don't
have eyes to see it so this book is kind
of devised to give you the eyes to see
how you can build an experience of
heaven like everybody's had a little
taste of heaven it's like a fight you
know you have a moment it's a bite it's
playing with a kid or they would hope
yeah gives you this sense of heavenly
transcendence and so that's the idea on
all these old texts they provide us with
these sort of ladders or puzzles that
help us find paths to heaven that are
just as contemporary in our lives right
now as they ever have been so I'm big on
nagging on that kind of stuff and
needless to say you have to live by
certain principles I mean how does
everybody be believed how does everybody
behave and have all right with you what
do you think happens going to be
everybody - right everybody's going to
be forgiving everybody's going to be
honest and humble and compassionate and
they're gonna drop everything to help
you whatever so if you live by those
principles you are aligning yourself in
this life with heaven and you're burning
off bad karma and you're creating good
car is that essentially what um how to
get to heaven without really dying is
about just to come back with that
message I mean because Jesus reiterates
over and over on earth as it is in
heaven as above so below like whatever
the atmosphere in heaven is like we can
experience it now we can walk in it we
can you know we can do those things
walking compassion love forgiveness
those things towards other people and
create heaven on earth is that
essentially what the books getting -
yeah pretty much
it's in Matthew someplace where where he
says that
as it is and have it as it is on earth
so it shall be in heaven kind of thing
so and vice versa essentially so that no
matter what a life you're in no matter
what life you're living in you are going
to experience either these aspects of
pain and difficulty and suffering the
hellish aspects of life without love or
you're going to enter into and expand
into this consciousness of love like all
divine consciousness penetrates and
animates everything and whatever life
you're in it when you enter into that
you know wholeheartedly and open
heartedly and you take part in it with
these principles that are kind of
guaranteed to get you to heaven much
faster than doing the wrong thing is
ever funny you know you're gonna have to
work it off eventually yeah oh yeah
that's the beautiful thing because it's
on earth you can experience it now a lot
of people kind of put up with some of
the bad stuff or other things that they
don't like about themselves when they
can experience it now like in this
present moment with whether we go
through meditation whatever we want to
do just to get it-get alone to find what
you're talking about the presence of the
the present moment to be in the now we
look at Eckhart Tolle selling easily uh
he's a millionaire off of teaching
people how to stay in the present moment
connected breathing all of these things
I like to look at the scripture when it
talks about um it says peace be still
and know that I am God so just to sit in
that moment and just to reflect on that
sacred energy through breathing whatever
it is and I think that's where the power
is when we try to live outside of
ourselves or anticipation about what we
have coming up on our calendar and a few
weeks or an event we're supposed to do
or the end of school whatever it is we
tend to get on this autopilot mode and
project our consciousness outside of
ourselves or we're not present to look
at the grass to smell the flowers all of
these little things that we take for
granted and we go through different
stages where that if we're conscious of
it
may be taken away from us so that we
long for the present moment maybe we're
over occupied and we can see that man I
gotta find time to rest I have to find
time to get back to the now moment and
that I I agree with you that's what
everybody is that's the end goal I think
like so many people would I want to go
into this a little bit talking about
like people who are on like ayahuasca
ceremonies or psilocybin magic mushroom
encounters people have an awakening on
this and maybe we can call that
near-death experiences as well some
people feel like they die some people
meet you know very similar experiences
to you to you and all the other people
who are dealing with in DES where they
meet their grandmother who's been dead
for ten years that they were close to
and they meet that person and they tell
them it's okay I love you you're doing a
good job I'm proud of you and they get
the power of that experience and bring
it back into the the you know their life
all from the now moment yeah it's kind
of interesting from my first near-death
experience the out-of-body one when when
you experienced seeing your body and you
have a sense of yourself still intact
and alive it's hard to get the genie
back in the bottle in the way after a
lot of my life I was never really able
to look at things quite the same way and
that's why this section of the book is
about the gift of perspective is because
I witness people now as these spirits
these expressions of divine
consciousness so to speak
coming through the form of their
physical being and I know that they have
a life story they have experiences that
have happened to them that that shade
this expression that they have you know
I look at you and I can kind of see the
makeup of your life in a way you look at
me you can kind of you know sense the
same sort of thing yeah and we know that
it's not easy to be this thing to be in
this form is difficult and unfortunately
it goes like this and then it goes like
that right you know others nobody told
me I was it
if it's all downhill from here how come
no one told me I was at the top right
yeah you go then it goes back down so if
we are if we are clinging on to the
forms of this life if we are overly
obsessive and self-centered in the
physicality in the materiality life
we're gonna suffer from yeah the relief
and what's expressed by people who do
any organic so you psychogenic sand
stuff is the release from that sense of
being tethered to the physicality
experience that kind of transcendent
unity with things and and that's another
aspect of having seen all these
different experiences near-death that
I've heard and the ones that I
experienced myself even though there
were different things that happened in
each there were certain things that were
consistent all the time that was the
experience of pure love this kind of
sense of radiant illumination at some
ulster another this transcendent a sense
of transcendent unity that can be gained
through ayahuasca or suicide into and
then there's some kind of karmic
instruction which usually don't follow
the advice or path that you need to go
like that my third near-death
experiences along those lines see so I
can kind of segue into that yeah great
but that's what it's really all about is
identifying the fact that you are a
spiritual being you are a
transdimensional that you are in this
form for now and that you're here to
work some things out it can only be
worked out in this form and to do them
and only the way that you can do them
and to show up for the life that you are
creating for yourself
that's that's the beautiful thing
because we always want to complain about
the bad stuff and there's something
we've just been exploring on this
podcast with a lot of guests and stuff
and coming to terms with myself is like
you know the bad things that have
happened to us in our lives you know
when we were going through them I would
gave anything to come out of it now when
we look back at these different trials
and tribulations that we've been
through some of the heartache and stuff
that we've endured I wouldn't change it
for the world there's this aspect of the
contrast of how are we to be able to
judge how bright and brilliant the
lightest if we've not experienced the
uttermost parts of darkness and it's the
same way I think - you're talking about
this euphoria this feeling that you felt
going through the other side of love and
of blessing that essentially that's
where you are that's who you are how
would you know that if you had an
experienced heartache and death and loss
and betrayal
here on earth and I think it all they're
all the pain all the bad stuff man we
have to use it for alchemy I believe
that 100% it's it's all it's all worth
it it's part of the contrast those who
the scripture says those who are
forgiven much love much and those who
have you know kind of right those wrongs
and understand look I've been a jerk I
got to fix this you know and it's only
through these type of experiences that
we have these awakenings or realizations
that we get on this path to want to
change change it so that's the beauty of
going through the bad stuff and it
helping to see how beautiful the light
is so your third and their death
experience this was a little bit more
darker yeah it was actually I was in a
small town in Arizona I'd been
snowboarding back and forth between New
York City and Arizona and I had gotten
engaged again and I was there for a
Super Bowl Sunday and after the game I
went out into a public plaza and made it
made a phone call on a payphone
it's just still a pretty long time ago
at this time what's that yeah and I had
a guy who sort of charitably in those
days called skinheads you know this is
like a great big dude with a shaved head
and and just kind of all the trappings
of that sort of neo-nazi sort of culture
type thing and yeah no judgement on the
guy except for that he started to really
asked me and got violent with me and I
got into an altercation with him where I
kind of got the best of him and I
thought I'd better get out of there
everybody around me thought that it was
great that I had handled it so well you
know so I got some sort of confirmation
about dealing with this guy but on my
way home on my bicycle I didn't realize
there was a band full of these guys they
drove up alongside of me and was like a
crowbar or a tire iron or something they
hit me in the back of the head knocked
me off my bike into the curb at first
then they stomped and kicked on for
about an hour
what so in that one that was obviously
not as heavenly an experience I didn't
go to his heavenly a place I mean to me
it's just really fascinating how
specific these experiences are like like
ultra specific dreams kind of that
exists in a different kind of reality
like a very real more real than most
dreams less random I was in this kind of
subterranean or almost loom like place
still again I felt completely like
transcendent community just I just felt
surrounded by love and there were as I
remember these entities around me loving
entities it was almost as though outside
of the room I had a sense of this kind
of crunching and stomping it's stuff
that I wanted no part of I did not want
to go back I wanted to stay where I
loved but they all told me that I had
not gone about things the right way and
that I had things that I need to do and
that I had to go back and I fought
against him but they prevailed and
pushed me through what I recall is being
this kind of a membrane and I sort of
popped through and I was on my back on
the street in this Arizona town with it
versus a medical worker who said he's
back and that I realized in that
experience I realized we all have this
very specific call we're all creating
adding to it making our lives whole in a
way through this purpose that we're here
for so the perspective
that gives you the ability to see people
as human beings struggling along through
this form the the presence that brings
all the sort of wisdom of this eternal
moment to bear where we make our karma
and then the purpose that is your unique
data package that you have to fill out
and dovetail into other people's
experiences yes I kind of see this as
being these sort of energy packets of
karmic and quantum information they
overlap each other we meet and infuse
with one another and that's the great
thing about the darkness and the light
that you were talking about I bring up
rule me who was Sufi and the Sufis have
this belief that if you're looking into
the catastrophe of things into the
darkness it's great it's beautiful it's
a blessing because you only have to turn
around 180 degrees to see the light and
the bliss you know it's right in the
opposite direction and so those
experiences in darkness or what I think
of as being deaths and themselves you
know these kind of moments where you're
making this passage through absolutely
humility where you become teachable
that's when you expand into a new life
your rebirth reborn this is like a
resurrection or an alchemical kind of
transformation so that was the third one
was to get the purpose my car which is a
beautiful gift I got an oh wow I was
gonna jump to this question but I think
you kind of already answered Christie
and the chapter wants to know when he
figured out he wasn't in this body
anymore did he want to go back into his
body or did he not want to go back it
sounds like you were kind of like you
wanted to stay where you were but you
were told you have to go back right yeah
the first one I didn't really even think
about it that was just amazed you know
you didn't know what you were you know
what was happening at first right they
had this kind of entity with me that I
now recognize as being my guardian angel
so to speak this energy that sort of his
serves as a higher power in my life a
lot of the time the voice of reason good
angel I might show
who shepherded me off and I didn't
really even think about it until I woke
up in the hospital in the second one I
likewise I was not very aware of that
physicality at all it was in the third
one where I did not want to go back I
had a sense of what was going on in that
physical realm and it was nothing I
wanted a part of it so I did not want to
go back at all but I didn't have a
choice you know some people in their
near-death experiences they have choices
you know interesting do you want to go
back let me think about it you know I've
heard that um so here's a question I
have for you what does God fit into all
this the the creator the the life
essence that animates all life which
you've talked about because not an
ineffective does it or does he/she exist
but the question as far as these three
experiences are they coincidence or did
something will it to happen was this
orchestrated for a reason or was just
this the luck of the draw the roll of
the dice do you feel like God or
consciousness the universe orchestrated
this for for you to be on your life path
to write this book and to help other
people overcome some pitfalls and and
learn how to overcome some things that
they don't have to actually die to to go
to the other realm to get the answers
yeah I mean like maybe seven years ago
or so I had no idea I was going to be an
author much less twice published to blur
I could never have imagined that but I
went through this situation in my life
where everything stopped working for me
I actually found a little place on the
Upper Delaware River where I literally
sat on a rock by the river for kind of
years and did a lot of meditation and
stuff and I had this sort of ego death
where all the trappings all the
constructions of my external life and
expectations and everything I thought I
was supposed to be it just failed
it's just ended flying and I have this
kind of transfer
or Matt if they answer into me and
started to want to express it and that's
where the three experience is coalescing
me and I realized if that's this was an
expression of my purpose and then I am
part of this vast invisible machinery
there is when we talk about the
technology about the kind of technology
that you can use these platforms for
putting your show out and stuff like
that as we were just before the show the
greatest technology of all what we call
spiritual virtual technology technology
is incredible and I think of God is
definitely being now he/she/it
I call that animating force what the
Hindus might call Brahmin or you know
what the Christians might call the Holy
Father I call that divine consciousness
now whether that's God or vice-versa
I'm not sure what I I didn't experience
a personage that significant of being a
God force is or anything like that a man
in robes that has the personification
no I experienced this transcend a sense
of a complete transcendent unity being
folded into a field of love divine
consciousness being part of a larger
mind my mind losing its boundaries and
expanding into a larger mind that I was
part of and that was my experience of
God and that in many ways is my
experience of heaven to know what I try
to impart you know through these
experiences and lessons in the book is
how to get there without really the kind
but you do have to really die to go they
have you know you know that everybody
knows that it may just be an ego death
that you have to experience yeah these
are all these false expectations and
forms of this world that enables you to
reach that place of transcendence I mean
Jesus talks about being born again
absolutely worn again you have to you
have to die you have to die
in the scriptures we're talking about
the egodeath the scriptures call it the
flesh the fleshly nature that nature
that is has ill-will towards other it's
self-serving it's oh you know me myself
and I what can I do to survive it's like
overcoming that and and it's the same
thing as the ego I think the words are
essentially interchangeable so I think
the you know I'm saying the whole
message is is it's throughout the Bible
it's throughout the Vedas the Bhagavad
Gita every religion talks about it every
day nothing I think that I think they're
all essentially telling the same story
I'm sorry I'm the resurrection you know
that is that to me that is a
metaphysical transformation is what
you're talking about
the cross is that the temporal plane
right the intersection of the temporal
plane with the transcendent unification
movement towards have that's what
everybody hopefully experiences to find
lent itself and to come into wholeness
and to experience God in their life and
to be able to bring handed onto this
earth yep that's that's that's our life
purpose I believe that's my life purpose
and I think a lot of people listening to
as well I wanted to talk to you as well
because like a lot of people talk about
when they go to the other side when they
cross over and they come back maybe
because it's dealing with with
spirituality you mention the spiritual
technology I think that everything that
we have such as Facebook the internet
all of this stuff is mimicking the
spiritual technology the global brain
we're all connected Facebook makes us
all connected our cell phone these type
of things did you experience heightened
senses of awareness did you experience
psychic abilities ESP being able to know
when someone was gonna call you know
before they even called you anything
like that when you came back would you
more susceptible to those goodness it is
yourself up to that when you
get your intellect and expectations and
the physical aspect of yourself out of
the way you start to notice that these
things are happening all the time that
was one great lessons of my second
master's presence experience was these
were moments that I had not been aware
of what I was actually witnessing I had
not been a witness to this kind of
marvelous sort of interweaving of these
threads of my life you know now I am
much more often and I have so much faith
in that that I see all the time what's
happening on I can tell you how I met my
wife but it's crazy it's mind blow no
let's do a lot of teachers we listen to
I mean there's tons of teachers in who
would tell you what synchronicity is and
they say pay attention to the
information that comes through and that
sounds good sometimes it works that way
the synchronicity is something you
should look into
it's the spirit realm letting you know
to go down this path sometimes the
information is silly
it's you look at a picture of a duck and
your significant other says hey did you
see that duck the other day and you open
a book that would a picture of a duck
you know little small things like that I
think it's essentially God's breadcrumbs
letting us know that we're on the right
path
what do you think is the most
significant part of synchronicities and
having them these reoccurring themes or
memes essentially happen in your life I
think that when you're aligned through
this kind of idea of what heaven is by
living with certain principles you have
as you bring a certain awareness and
open heartedness to bear that then it is
shown to you it's not a projection of
your own ideas about things where your
ego or your intellect starts to move
into something and think that should be
I should be manifesting that for myself
right now I'm gonna you know I'm gonna
summon this up from the ether for myself
that kind of thing that's not the way it
works because you're projecting this
sort of aspect of being human on stuff
it is already it is all there
ready and getting yourself out of the
way and opening up and kind of like
connecting transdimensional II through
your heart to these things and
experiencing them then you'll start to
see the real synchronicities at work in
your life I think you know it's tricky
because you know people want to people
want to feel like they can kind of enter
into it and work with it and make things
happen and it's gonna show them when
they want it to it doesn't happen on
your own schedule it happens on God's
schedule such that you get these things
shoun
but you can tune into that schedule and
kind of align yourself to that schedule
right it doesn't work the other way
around right yeah and by by living by
these principles that I talked about in
the first in the perspective part of the
book and then brains and certain powers
of presence to bear that kind of in the
now type a car holding thing in this
moment this eternal moment and then
recognizing what your life is showing
you is your purpose you know who loves
you who do you love what are you good at
what do people ask you to do what do you
know in your heart you need to be there
for that's your purpose syndrome and so
by aligning yourself in these three ways
you begin to experience that a lot and
it really will start to open up your
life and entirely different way have a
whole different experience life I think
it just makes you more sensitive to like
it change it literally changes your
consciousness like you could be sitting
in a room with seven other individuals
in your perception of reality
it gets into weird stuff sometimes I
mean that schizophrenics who their
perception of reality is different as
well but from a near-death experience I
think it's good I think I think it's
good I think if you work the energies
right if you do what you're supposed to
be doing obviously it would definitely
bring about pain if you have those
encounters with the spirit realm
however they come through a near-death
experience even if it's two maybe
ayahuasca or psilocybin or something and
you know what you're supposed to be
doing from like a divine order to say
and you don't do it like I think I don't
know if you have any experience with
that about this inward need obviously
you said you spent some time as an
animator and as fun as that is maybe
that wasn't the deeper calling that what
they were supposed to be doing I was a
truck driver and I was you know it
killed me eventually go to work not that
it was bad but I knew that I was
supposed to be doing something else
going on these journeys having these
encounters very similar to what you're
talking about and then going back to
drive a truck you're like oh my god I've
been in between the realms I have to
manifest this I know this is what I'm
supposed to be doing but it seems so far
away and they talk about this stuff
curing depression right the near-death
experience to ayahuasca curing
depression quite quite the contrary it
sent me into depression because I had to
go back to 2 o'clock into the night of
five and come back to reality but it
does ignite a fire within you that
depression can be used for good that
depression is part of the contrast and
it could be used for good but talk about
if you've had any encounters with that
as well it's kind of like my first 45
years of life we're sort of like that
may not have been quite doing what I was
supposed to be doing yeah keep talking
about as a near-death experience - in a
way I talk about different kinds of
dying dying from different stages in
your life I had this I had a
transformative near-death experience
that was of a spiritual nature around
9:00 9/11 I hadn't come back from
Arizona after my third near-death
experience and I'd fit back into this
commercial world of television
production and stuff here in New York
City and I still was not happy I was
more successful than I'd ever been but I
wasn't fitting into my life I wasn't
doing what I was supposed to be doing it
right and then 9/11 happened and I was
there downtown I was there live south of
23rd Street and experienced the whole
thing that
des and the thing that I experienced too
that I can never forget was this sense
this like six sensory awareness of this
rush this kind of cycle onyx swirl of
souls that were like departing this
plane thing so my experiences had opened
me up to this whether I wanted it or not
yeah and it was so powerful for me that
day I just could not deny it and my life
in many ways kind of turned around right
in those couple of weeks
that was when I needed to go find a
place to sit in the stillness and know
God myself right
that was when I began my my sort of
metaphysical the the desire to
metaphysically transcend the illusion of
separateness that experience my whole
life and I ended up in this kind of
study and and this meditational approach
to things that enabled me to kind of
pass through into the acceptance of the
real spiritual nature of life and
everything changed for me then so we
have those kind of near-death
experiences that are a variety where
something tragic happens to you other
than you just experience the six sensory
aspect young termination in your book
you call it divine consciousness right
and a wheat we in and out of that like I
know I think I'm in it now do you know
I'm saying but I've been there I've been
out of it depression doesn't seem
possible try to get in that now moment
it comes back and it is a roller coaster
ride is that something that everybody
can experience without having to die or
without I mean essentially I guess the
goal is to really you know so it I think
if it calls you it calls you especially
with like psychedelics and stuff but to
really be able to bring back the
information and save you the trip and
say look you don't have to do
that this is what its gonna tell you
everything you've been talking about a
car totally do you know these guys it's
the same thing it's not a different
message the message is the same
the way it it speaks to you we're
talking about deep states of meditation
I think that's a practice we should all
do but it's the same message the life
review the now moment quit projecting
yourself outside of yourself be present
with your family and the people who need
you the most these type of things so
it's something that everybody can attain
without I wish I had a near-death
experience oh I wish I had magic
mushrooms in my backyard or something
like that right yeah well I mean the use
of psychogenic is very valuable to a lot
of people and it's very valuable
therapeutically to people who have like
terminal diagnosis and stuff like that
because it detaches you from this
physical purely physical plane of being
and you start to experience that sense
of transcendence unity you know so it's
really important that way for me
meditation had a lot to do with it
because going in and out of divine
consciousness is something that we all
experience all the time where you're
just completely chill with it and you're
feeling it and it's flowing and then the
next thing you know your rent is due or
you know you can't pay a bill so there's
something like that and bang suddenly
you're right back in the same day yeah
and you fall under the auspices of this
voice in your head that is kind of
scolding and judgmental and comparative
and it's constantly negative pretty
negative right it's like the evil angel
the devil on your shoulder and when you
sit in meditation it does a couple
things for you one is that it enables
you to objectify that nasty voice in
your head I call it bad five you know
that's and I know that if you were a
person outside of me I wouldn't like him
much younger you're trying to control my
life in a pretty negative way and I
respect
that that's some kind of old instinct
that I have it's supposed to protect me
from a saber-toothed tiger or something
you know then I can like we said earlier
you look into the darkness if you turn
around the light is this in the other
direction I can't roll from that and I
can move to this place inside of my mind
while I'm meditating where there's peace
and reason and I can consciously move
that way and it allows me to objectify
my authentic self what I call my
authentic self it's grounded in divine
consciousness from the voice of my ego
who's grounded in the physicality and
the reality that we live right and the
other thing that meditation does for you
then is that it opens up that sense of
unity with all things job the inner
connectedness and the interdependence of
everything that the Buddha taught those
are the two ways that meditation can
help you really get in touch align
yourself to the divine consciousness and
stay there as much as possible yeah I
think it becomes second nature you know
I think I think the more that we
experience it when we know when we're
out of it and we know how to kind of get
back in line because we've been out of
line before we've been in and out so we
get used to it don't do this if I
respond with hatred and bitterness it
may send me on a spot like a downward
spiral we learned to kind of walk what I
like to call love to call the narrow
road I think that's what the Scriptures
are talking about if it's perfect divine
will not too far on the left not too far
on the right but just this perfect
narrow road which can be hard to attain
sometimes we get off a little bit and
sometimes if we get off just a little
we'll be off that path even on down the
road but it's about finding that balance
and everything and I think with practice
you know I think consistency being
persistent with it and learning it's a
big thing we learn from podcast you
learn from other people's experiences
you learn from your own failures and
shortcomings you have to you have to be
a student of life you have to you have
to learn from
and see what's working for Robert what's
working for true sigue was working for
so-and-so and then apply it see if it
works for you I mean it we're talking
about these cliches and the funny thing
is like there's a bunch of cliches in
the near-death experience I was gonna
say that earlier like a white light I've
seen this I was asked to I want to go
back I see my left my body looked down
the cliches for a reason because they're
real and other people are experiencing
very similar things and therefore the
outcome is very similar so the message
that were sent back with which is of
love peace kindness understanding like
those are the things that have lasting
value even within the Bible which I'm a
student of the Scriptures and it's just
it reiterates over and over and over
these things or forever these things are
going to last when the other things are
gonna be burned away by adversity and
like they're not good they're not gonna
last they're not gonna get us anywhere
so I really think that with with
practice comes perfection as well with
that and it's okay to mess up it's okay
to get off there's people listening
right now they wish that they could be
there but you know they were there
before I've been there I've done
interviews where I'm asking how do how
do I get it back you know I've been
there man and it's part of it's part of
the learning process as part of the
journey but I mean what are just some
techniques that you talked about in the
book I know we talked about meditation
what am i walking in love and every
aspect seeing other people as an
extension of yourself well what's
something that's kind of big that will
help us stay in in that in that present
moment and and treat others how we want
to be treated essentially right the
embrace of imperfection is part we have
to embrace the imperfection of our
internet connection just a few minutes
ago and that was all of us both of us do
things right
you know I but you mentioned a couple of
them it's you can't think your way into
divine consciousness lots of times as a
human being struggling to get by in this
world you have to lots of times act your
way into it so if you're consciously
being of a forgiving nature
or for example if you just devote
yourself to being as kind to everybody
gets you can be for a day without
without kindness being sarcasm or
gossiping but real sincere kindness to
people your life will transform it will
open up in a way that you may not have
ever experienced and you'll discover
this kind of fabric of kindness at work
in the world that is truly awesome if
you notice you have to be a little
vigilant when you're on this narrow path
that you're talking about
there's comparison and judgement and
stuff coming into your thinking then you
have to take that golden moment and say
wait a minute stop and smell the roses
right ground yourself in this present
moment recognize that everything that
changes is not real and everything that
doesn't change Israel and hold on to
that sense of oneness with everything
and then those petty little concerns or
judgments or comparisons we have about
others fade away they disappear and you
can realize your kind of unity with
everybody and start to recognize
everybody is being really beautiful in
their own way and even when you are you
might be and not if yeah I get a bus
stop or something and suddenly you're
able to you're able to look at that
world in a different way that brings
that kind of heavenly radiant south
through it you know and transforms that
instant that moment of presence no
heavenly experience yep and I think like
I said I go back to the Bible all the
time this is what I've studied in it
talks about having that peace that
surpasses all understanding that inner
peace and the inner knowing where if we
look at the situation in circumstance
you should be freaking out right now you
should be upset you should be bitter you
should be mad but how do you have this
peace and it's the inward knowing of
Jesus talks about my peace I give to you
not as the world gives no man gave it to
you so they can't take it from you don't
let anything take your peace and you're
able to weather every storm when you
wake up on the boat much like Peter
wakes in and the disciples woke up on
the boat and they're in the midst of a
storm they panicking where's Jesus or
whatever they get up and they're able to
speak to the winds and the waves and
tell them to be still and be silent and
not to be moved by every situation every
circumstance you're freaking out
panicking or you're doing good until the
circumstance comes you have to you have
to learn what to do when the
circumstance comes I mean in I think the
practical test I think we're talking
about it being said about a divine order
I really do think that God whatever is
watching out for us and it we're taking
these tests like we're we have to pass
them we learn I mean they're gonna come
up later as a pop quiz once we pass them
but if you keep responding the same way
you're failing but when you respond with
love and peace and understanding then I
think we're really speaking the language
of heaven and we move on to bigger
things we think we have to be trusted
with some of these precious jewels and
things like a podcast like a book deal
you know what I'm saying things like
that that you have to go through these
different levels and I think it's for
everybody I don't think that we're
special it's just us or whatever what's
beautiful about all of this stuff and I
love to talk to people about this is
that it's applicable for everyone it's
not that I was contacted and I was the
angels came to me no they come to you to
even do this podcast they're coming to
you through the conversation and faith
is not a well-lit place right that's
when you're on those troubled seas the
metaphysical metaphor of that you know
be still and know that I am and what
happens is the Seas become Placid and
not only that you can walk on the water
the depth of all that troubled emotion
and stuff becomes a foundation for exam
on actually you know so the these
beautiful rich messages of what's called
non ordinary reality but
is actually ordinary I think Einstein
said that you can live two ways one is
believing that nothing is miraculous and
the other is believing that everything
is miraculous okay I'll get people who
don't believe in anything that I'm
talking about don't believe in any of my
experiences and that's fine for people
to be skeptical I understand the
invasion of intellect into spiritual I'm
all about that and I like to point out
to them that we're on a planet in outer
space and that's where the whole thing
starts so if that's not magical and wild
enough for you for all of this beauty to
grow out from that place you know I
don't think anything's gonna do it for
these people bust open your heart and
experience that I am you know be still
and know I go back to that place of
peace I like the fact - we're talking
about the you know I'm saying walking on
the water I really used to remember
going to swimming we'd go out into the
middle of the lake and we go swimming
would be in a boat we'd jump out and it
was always scared or like how deep is
this water a hundred feet deep you know
ten foot deep five foot I could swim in
five four water I can't and people
people have this fear that they can't
swim in deeper water and we look at
Peter walking on water which is symbolic
of us he steps out of the boat and it
doesn't matter if that water's three
foot or thirty foot it 1000 feet and
fear overtakes and then you drown but as
you're walking in faith that's if you're
walking in water it like faith and
belief it the ebb and flow of it it will
like water change to and wrap around
whatever situation you're in we're
talking about those unexpected bills
that come up and I need that same faith
in that same knowing the same knowing is
the same knowing that's going to be
there when you have to pay a hundred
dollar bill or your thousand dollar a
month insurance or house note whatever
the case is like it's the same faith
it's the same knowing that your
connect it and you're protected that's
brought you to it it's gonna bring you
through it it's the same face and that's
the beauty of it like the principles
don't change you know I'm saying we go
deeper in our revelation of this grace
of this love and this that we can
embrace our thank God is tangible
they're not just a theory or whatever
the case is but it's tangible to the now
moment I really believe that look before
we go I wanted to ask you one more
question about the book something very
near and dear to I think a lot of our
hearts but you talked about animals and
their special role in our life and that
they may be a little bit smarter a
little bit more connected and a lot of
people give them credit for I want to
hear a little bit about that before we
go we got kicked out of the garden right
they did yeah we did because we assumed
ourselves to be like God you know to
have this idea of what's right and
what's wrong there we know better and
that kind of thing if you think about
divine consciousness as I'm as I've been
talking about it
animals are connected like directly into
that and anybody who pets a dog you know
or as a cat in there laughs or something
knows what I'm talking about the fact is
that animals through their physical
forms experience a reality that we
cannot even imagine they are heirs to an
intelligence that allows them to not go
to school or have to wear clothes yeah
so in many ways they're they're ahead of
us on the scale I think they're closer
to God in a lot of ways but we are
uniquely made for our role as being
stewards of this as being able to work
with things in a way that no other
creature can and that's the that's the
thing that happens with us we become
caught up in the physical demands of
this life and that one dimension
suddenly hems us in we begin to think
that animals are accessories we begin to
think that bills and fame and things
like that or what's really important but
in fact we are all extra dimensional
beings that's what I'm trying to talk
about it's a bigger picture than all of
that so what we are
is greater than what we generally think
we are and when we align ourselves with
animals more of that way we become part
of this life of the world then we can
start to actually bring heaven back to
this earth I mean it's a pretty heavenly
earth to start with yeah true true where
we're going wrong everybody is very
aware of where we're going wrong right
and part of it is losing our our animal
brothers and sisters at such a high way
so if we realize that we're greater than
we are my point
we're transdimensional beings really you
know then we can escape the illusion
that were trapped in this kind of
physicality and begin to experience a
whole different way to live that I
related to being in heaven that I relate
to going on half 100% on earth as it is
in heaven we can experience it now in
the now moment and and bring the now
moment with us in every situation
Robert Kopecky thank you for coming on
the podcast we have your book here how
to get to heaven without really dying
make sure you guys go out and pick up
this book I know you can get it at like
everywhere books are sold but let them
know the best place to pick up the book
and where they can check out your work
as well
well I've got a blog Robert kopecki dot
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they have it too but maybe go to your
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that's where I like to buy books and ask
for it if they don't have it there and
patronize those people that bring that
kind of knowledge to even close to home
Wow that's that's the first time I've
heard that publishing company name
spoken I've always called it lil one for
years I've been reading their books
since like I was like 13 year 12 13
years old
Llewelyn Wow the correct pronunciation
you guys make sure you go check out his
book is really good stuff and if you
really enjoyed this podcast if you will
to see him on again let us know I know
he's got a lot more stuff to talk about
we can even go into his first book as
well I want to talk to you a little bit
more about some of these special
abilities and psychic type experiences
as well so I'd love to have you back on
Robert thanks for coming on and I will
have to do it again soon
Thank You Derrick it's really been a
great pleasure talking with you
yes great questions I had a really good
fun I enjoyed it my brother will see you
again soon
lessons all right bye bye Robert Kopecky
ladies and gentlemen it's a really cool
guest on here man
people who've been through some stuff
and like I say if you want to call this
syncretism if you want to call it
comparative theology you guys know I
guess I come from a Christian background
Christian perspective but to me like
everything all comes back to the same
answers right we're having these whether
you having a Christian experience and
that's your worldview I mean this guy
wasn't using biblical terms and
languages for the most part right but he
was like if you know the Scriptures
enough you know I mean that's how my
mind works you know that's I have a
scripture for everything you know what
I'm saying and there's some there's some
deep stuff within the scriptures which
is really cool but we find ourselves
having very similar encounters and
experiences to people in other faiths of
people who have never even experienced
our faith we have got some people in the
audience now who or who are signed up
through patreon the part of the School
of the Mystics on Thursday nights and
they've never read the scriptures but
everything that I'm talking about it's
like the other way around like they're
referencing other books and other works
as I speak or as I share Bible knowledge
or whatever the case is they already
know what I'm talking about
it's stuff that's written within their
hearts it's written upon their hearts
right and so it's within them it's the
same the same encounters the same
experiences which is really cool that's
what it's about for me like he's talking
about having this awakening a big
part of my awakening and move into these
you know greater levels of understanding
and I came when I started instead of
looking at others and finding what makes
us different finding the things that
separate us I did the opposite I said
well let me try studying this stuff or
even talking to people in conversation
conversation man people will bring up
anything religious I'm my mind is going
how can I bump them and show you that my
religion is right
honestly that's that's I mean that's
what we were taught in religion but now
in these conversations I'm trying to
build I'm not okay I believe the same
thing we word it differently I've worded
it differently it's a different
perspective on the same type of concept
and that's what it's about for me we
call it comparative theology syncretism
how we're all saying the same thing and
now instead of like trying to tear
people down I look for the good in it I
mean we could just use like Joel Osteen
I mean it he's an enemy of most of like
heresy hunters the Christian heresy
hunters like that Joel Osteen is a false
prophet he's preaching deception and
things like that you know and I used to
look at him that way because of the
people I was involved with in many sects
of Christianity and many sects not just
one denomination or whatever but I would
listen to it and I couldn't take in
anything he said because of whatever the
case was you know here in having
preconceived notions about him but
didn't now I'm able to listen to us like
listen it man talking some good stuff
you know he's got some wisdom some
wisdom something he's saying is good
right
you know I'll he's a false prophet man
he's deceiving people what's up Patrick
all it is what our boy Patrick says I
can't stand him sorry talking about Joel
Osteen you know what like it's about I
had a point before I said your name when
you say
when you posted that man I was gonna say
something about not being able to stand
him but um just about the information
that comes through man I would say Thank
You Patrick Patrick just ordered some of
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it's you know looking at people and
finding what what we don't like about
them or we can't stand about them like
you move toward just just a deeper
revelation or just to see what we can
stand about them because I mean people
uh you know I think people people say
that about me you know what I'm saying
about anybody like you know there's
people who tune in to this podcast and
they see little I'll see an eye on my
hat and they're just they love the
wisdom they love the information that
comes through but they just see
something or they see a symbol in the
background or a video game or with it
and they just see something that they
don't like know that they can't stand
most people can't stand an eyeball
because it represents the devil to them
and they're understanding whatever the
case is so yeah we talk about triggers
man people get triggered people have
stuff that they can't understand and I
couldn't I couldn't stand him for the
longest time to not just dolos ting but
just I'm telling you man being able to
transcend and see everyone as an
extension of yourself I think that in
spirituality will all eventually do that
but to really see what we can agree with
with the people and build upon that the
scriptures say can two walk together
unless they agree and people use that to
say okay we don't agree you believe this
I believe that we can't walk together
and buy and they're done they cut you
off but I read that
can two walk together unless they agree
that's fine something that we can agree
on and walk together right great minds
think alike in the comments section says
everyone has some truths even if our
minds are blocked to it yep everybody
has something I know what I was gonna
say Patrick here was the point when it
comes to joel osteen we used to call him
a false prophet now people call me false
prophets oh yeah whatever he wasn't the
only ones we call it a false prophet
anybody I'll put it this way anybody who
taught stuff contrary to what we
believed were false prophets and I'm
speaking about this in past tense but
there's a lot of people still there now
you teach the Bible a certain type of
way you teach religion philosophy
politics you're a false prophet you're a
heretic these type of things
anybody who taught it differently and I
used to get mad at like Joel Osteen now
you should get mad at creflo dollar or
some of these people Benny Hinn or
whatever but the scripture says this is
the deeper the scripture says that the
people having itching ears will find for
themselves teachers that tell them what
they want to hear so it's not that like
Benny Hinn or creflo dollar's or Joel
Osteen has all this power that they're
able to deceive the masses because
they're wicked people now these people
are just presenting a message and the
audience are paying them money are
supporting them sharing their content
going to their rallies or sermons or
whatever because they're telling them
what they want to hear so what the
scripture says that the people having
itching ears will find for themselves
teachers that tell them what they want
to hear now that that works with
everything the scripture also says that
where your treasure is your heart will
be also
if you believe in something you're gonna
support it with your time you're gonna
watch it I mean many people listening to
this podcast you find something of
substance here there's people who
financially support the work I do your
time your money your energy your effort
your you know occupying it with with
your mind and letting it into your
thought life there's stuff that you're
entertaining because you bear witness
with it and people will support it so if
you're looking at creflo dollar if
you're looking at some of these
prosperity pimps you want to call them
that or quite the contrary any other
religion or something that you don't
agree with like those people are
listening to these guys for a reason so
it's I don't think it's much of the
teacher is the deceiver I think that
he's he has a message and and the people
bear witness with it I mean that's what
they want to hear you know what I'm
saying they want to know how they can be
rich they want to know how they can get
to heaven you don't say whatever the
case is man people will find for
themselves teachers telling them what
they want to hear but like it's not a
deception thing it's just it's just part
of nature
like you wouldn't most people wouldn't
be listening to this if they didn't bear
witness with something unless they're
just like chastising it and picking it
apart and stuff I hate when he does that
you know that kind of stuff I mean I
know there's those people listening to
and it's okay they'll agree with some of
it and then I wish I can interject
that's the funniest part when I talk to
people and they uh uh they say man that
there's so many times I'll you'll say
something and I guess we'll respond and
I want to interject you know and they
just they even talking to their phone or
whatever the case is you know it's so
funny
but I've been there too so yeah Patrick
all it is he says I found you that's it
you find the people that you resonate
with you'll find your tribe you'll find
that the the others right and if you're
someone who is into mainstream religion
and cookie-cutter Church you're gonna
find that and that's for you that's good
that's not a bad thing that's a bad
thing you know I'm saying obviously
there's some some bad stuff that I would
disagree with you know what I'm saying
but I think as a whole I don't think
these people are wicked as a whole I
think that they have a just a lot of
them have a just notion about themselves
and their intentions are pure and I
think that's what it comes down to at
the end of the day
Ruach says get in would you fit in
that's right yeah I want to thank
everybody for supporting man it's
awesome that you guys believe in my work
I am just I have a dilemma and this is a
dilemma that I'm coming to as a
podcaster and having being one who
juggles multiple things especially with
my album I just put out that took up so
much time of editing trying to get
everything perfect having a rerecord
things listen to it so even though I was
still doing podcast as far as editing
them making profile pictures writing up
the BIOS mixing them down to the audio
ripping them and putting them online
I'll kind of fell behind with that also
I fell behind because we did a hundredth
episode which was a little bit ahead of
what was supposed to be at and then we
did a look-back episode I wanted it just
to be one but it was - there was two
parts of the look-back and I'm just
giving commentary on all the episodes up
to episode 100 I did that and so I
pushed those ahead so it ended up
pushing stuff back so I'm about a month
behind on these these podcasts and I
have I have several ahead of me I would
like to get caught up it's gonna cost me
a little money just because I have to
pay for space so uh if anybody wants to
donate if you want to donate to that
helping me get caught up I'm gonna try
to put out as many as I can so that I'm
caught up so like cuz it only because it
like I'm cool with it being a month
behind as far as the episodes but I'm
not because it's becoming a problem and
it's a it's a learning experience it's
becoming a problem because I'm talking
about news and I'm talking about updates
and I'm talking about current events
then now they're a month behind you know
what I'm saying so if you're listening
to this live the live broadcast is gonna
feel different than the the tape version
because some of the ones that are coming
out I'm talking about hey I have an
upcoming album release party this
weekend and I was a month ago you know
what I'm saying so I want to get caught
up so if anybody wants to
me with those fees that I have to pay to
kind of get caught up you can click the
donation button you can go to paypal.com
every little bit helps and that's what
that's what I want to do I'm gonna try
to get caught up in and I'll try to be
consistent in in getting them all out
everything that's already recorded at
least one a day until we get caught up
I've got one ready to go I did one
yesterday got one ready to go today and
I'm willing to do one tomorrow but I've
almost used up my allotted space for the
month and it's all only the 15th so
anyway that's where I'm at if you guys
want to help me and even as I'm saying
this if this is behind it's just weird
trying to keep up with the time I said I
just told you today's the 15th
and if I don't do it it may be the 15th
sort of following a month so that's what
I'm trying to do I want to get caught up
so that like once I get caught up I'll
stay on top of it and every show will be
out like the next day every show would
be the come out the next day oh wow so
yeah thanks for all the support I don't
even like asking for support on anything
else because I know I you know you guys
already support me in so many ways
through patreon and stuff like that but
I just you know what the scripture says
you have not because you ask not and I
put it out there and just let you guys
know Christie says Christie folks I'm
still debating whether or not I should
encourage my new pastor to listen to the
song I am it's perfect hmm you should
let your new pastor listen to it I could
say this you know it can't I would say
it can't hurt it can't hurt it can't
hurt if you really if you really like it
and that song ministers to you and then
you share it with your pastor who's like
hey this isn't of God stay away from
this because you know that we get that a
lot
stay away from this this is a you know
Bob about everything I'm saying I have
everything I've been saying you know how
some people react to things that they
disagree with so that would be the only
concern I would if you want to do it do
it but if that happens don't get
offended
let it harden your heart and no oh I
have to reference everything so great
great minds think alike says are you
speaking of your intro song no the intro
song is called the inner reaches of
outer space there's a song on the new
album called I am featuring featuring
the voice Spirit of Truth and myself and
Saint Anthony it's a really good song a
lot of people say that's the best song
one on the new album it's a really good
song I know that so yeah there we go
look as I'm live right now all it is
Patrick just donated $10 he also bought
my daughter slime thanks for the support
man you have not because you ask not
that's that that's universal that's the
law that's for all of you guys if
there's something you want ask God in
your prayer closet also ask the people
around you that's the one thing when we
get weird when it comes to money man
people get weird when it comes to money
there's people who hate the fact I'm
gonna tell you this straight up I'm not
missing it but there's people who hate
the fact that I get to do this for a
living like they're jealous man they get
mad that I get to wake up and do this
for a living because other people are
paying me to do this like other people
it's it's a it's a lot of people giving
a little and it it enables me to do this
they get mad I will never understand
that I will never understand that
bitterness you know I'm saying that
hater got hater
you a hater man let's face it if that's
you man you a hater I got people who
listen to this only I got people who
listen to this only to try to find stuff
on me to blog about to gossip about look
I'm over your opinions of me because I'm
over my opinions of
me I don't like my life is not my own
this has come through prayer and fasting
man like this is this is what I'm
supposed to be doing and my question is
what are you supposed to be doing if you
are hater any of you who is who who are
getting mad at the success of another
person this is applicable to the Joel
Osteen stuff you don't have to like them
but why you mad cuz this person is
successful I mean I've told this story
before and this it gets into some weird
schizophrenic stuff
I ain't gonna lie like a buddy of mine
he was a buddy I haven't talked to him
in a long time but anyway he had a thing
at some local churches that put him out
or something and he used to go to a
church and all this all of a sudden
there was a big revival that came to
mobile so Mobile is known as the day of
the Holy Spirit there was a revival
years ago that broke out here and then
there was another revival as a recent a
really big when people from all over the
world came here to experience revival
and these pastors you know rented out at
the Civic Center and people came from
all over the world
and my friends pastor who he despised
his wife come down with some kind of
condition and I don't think she had
something something up with her legs or
whatever man she couldn't really walk
she goes up for prayer and gets healed
and instant live streaming on T on on TV
it was on God TV and it was on the
computer Facebook YouTube was streaming
on all that stuff like it was a big deal
my friends seen it happened live this do
got mad and punched his computer screen
and broke it he got mad that these
people he didn't like got healed who
were going through some stuff and their
faith made them well punched this
computer screen and broke his computer
because somebody else got healed that's
insanity man you know that's crazy
that's insane for people anybody getting
mad
for somebody else succeeding in life and
and what is it I don't care what where
you are with that whether you are with
whether you believe in me or not and I
mean obviously there are more that are
for me than are against me that's a
blessing
but I'll tell you this like my heart is
like this is for you to whatever you're
supposed to be doing it would be
different if we kept it to ourselves all
I'm doing and I say this over and over
all I'm doing on here is letting you
guys know what works for me this is
working this didn't work look I did
witchcraft summon demons tried to talk
to demons tried to cut myself to make
pacts with Devils look don't do it don't
do it don't do that it's not working
better yet I'll show you what is working
having faith in Christ faith in a higher
power thinking about those things that
are good speaking blessings and not
Karstens connected with people who get
connected with people that believe in
you go into meditation find out what
you're supposed to be doing connect with
your Creator look this is what we're
doing and all of the guests play a
similar role in that of you walking in
your high calling you doing what you
were put here to do and I understand I
understand where it comes from
I've sensed it before it's people who
are upset because they're not walking in
their calling they're not doing what
they're supposed to be doing what they
were put here to do that's all it's all
part of it so with that being said man I
just encourage you guys you know what
like if you if you're not if we're just
being a spectator you're doing it wrong
I'll say that I'll be mad too
I'd be mad too I would be mad too but if
you're not you got to be make you got to
be taking strides man if you're just a
spectator if you're just listening to
past time look this ain't the podcast
for you there's a sports channel you
know what I'm saying there's stuff
that's talking about other other
interesting topics there's more alien
shows out there for you but I really
believe that this is too
you on your life's purpose and you
define your life's path and let you know
how to how to obtain it in all these
spiritual encounters it's all part of it
every single one of them it's all part
of finding your calling walking in your
life path we've had people on here that
their UFO guys a lot of people find
contention with the UFO shows I do but
that's their life path there's something
to learn man consistency being
persistent and showing up these laws of
universal that's within the Bible your
Bible or lack of there's so many
universal truths and laws that show you
that God is not a respecter of persons
and God is not a man that he should lie
these scriptures are evident man this is
truth if you stand for the truth the
Lord shall fight for thee I believe I
believe this stuff and my life is a
manifestation of it and if you believe
it or something similar not to believe
it word for word and quote scriptures
you don't have to do that you just get
the principles man you get the
principles in you run with them and you
do it and you're consistent and you show
up and you show up even when they say go
home you say no I'm showing up and it's
when they say give up show up even when
you got a another idea don't be jumping
around like from one thing to the next
to the next to the next to the next I'm
telling you I talk about it all the time
creative people are doing that you got
so many awesome ideas it doesn't mean
you're supposed to pursue them all you
got to find out what you want your game
plan execute do it show up tell people
prophesy speak life all that good stuff
and I'm telling you God will bless it
man God will bless it as you bless
others and you're trying to use your
giftings and your abilities and your
talents to help others God will use his
giftings talents and abilities to help
you I believe it with all of my heart
man thank you
for supporting my work and what I do on
this podcast and my music it means the
world to me literally I couldn't do it
without you guys
Thank You Patrick for your your donation
man it means a lot I'm gonna run through
some of these comments right quick to
see what we got I hear you're Christie
let's see Lee Kelly he's got going off
about Flat Earth we haven't even
mentioned anything about Flat Earth on
this episode but he wants to make it
known that uh he believes in Flat Earth
and that's why I don't go down that path
okay I'm cut because you guys come in
here and do this type of stuff like I
don't like that that's insane that's
like that's crazy anyway
nf says uh en AF ain't if he says yo my
brother put me on your music recently
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with that I must say peace and Shalom I
love each and every one of you guys for
those of you who are watching today see
here's here's the thing I'm talking
about I I want to speak on it but I
don't because when this pi K comes
podcast comes out it's gonna be old news
we got to get this down I'm gonna get it
down that's this is my goal for those of
you watching today today is what we're
doing a c e v event this is when we're
gonna go out stargazing tonight we're
going to meditate now because it's the
new moon but now a lot of people there
forecast is calling for rain I think
mine is as well even if we don't get to
stargaze tonight we will we still meet
for a meditation I'm gonna go live and
at least lead for a meditation tonight
and maybe take some questions and stuff
like that but I'll maybe do some prayers
and stuff offer up some prayers and
stuff so that's gonna we're still gonna
make something out of it no matter what
happens um and if if we have to we would
just we will just reschedule to the next
new moon or the next night it doesn't
have to be the new moon new moons a
great time but you know these couple
days that we have it's it's you know the
moon's gonna be barely visible so it'll
let you see more stars Lee Kelly says
will you do a show on it curious I did a
show on it I did a show with on flat
earth we're talking like it it being
flat earth I did a show with um santos
Bonacci which i think you know i think
it when it comes to flat earther he's
got to be one of the experts so I had
him on the show he's a good friend I
don't and and I mean I give reason why I
don't really you know do a lot of
flatter stuff on that podcast but if you
go listening it's got a lot of views man
this I know it's a big big subject a lot
of people are into it I know it would
get a lot of views and things like that
but um I don't really I don't really
dive into that too deep and I talked
about it on that episode but yeah we did
we did a flat earth episode if you want
to go check that out with Santos Bonacci
I will say this though I will say that a
friend of mine cuz I haven't researched
it a bunch but I had a friend of mine
come by here yesterday and he Ryan Rose
shout out to Ryan he was talking about
how they're part of the the flatterer of
stuff there's this theory that that
earth is his water I know you said there
is no space I've seen your comment but
he did he said that space is water the
outer space is water and that's when you
look at
the stars they look like they're
flickering or pulsing and if they're
really lights out there and then that's
why they look like they're pulsing
because space is water and then he talks
about like if you look at lights in the
water like if you look at a light in a
swimming pool at the bottom it looks
like it's pulsing and it's looks very
similar that's a theory I may look to
explore because I'm definitely into the
space stuff in a star gazing and it
would be really cool and I will say as
above so below man and I definitely know
as above so below the beings the beings
that are in the ocean the weird
creatures that it that we this creatures
honor we've yet to see you know there's
there's you know reports of craft down
there in the ocean and in the center of
the earth and in those deep crevices and
things and caves and stuff as above so
below
we look down into the water you know it
it's like we're in like this in-between
as we look up it's like we're looking
into the water as well there's all types
of beings out there in outer space
and other forms that we would call them
angels but they take different forms and
they look different I've had the
privilege of seeing a bunch of them
through stargazing and through
meditation and things like I definitely
believe in that so that is something
that I will take you up on especially if
you have somebody who can who can bring
that to the table would be great it
wouldn't have to necessarily be a Flat
Earth show but we can do something about
space being water so if you have anybody
you'd like to send my way go ahead and
do that so with that I'm gonna say peace
and Shalom I love each and every one of
you guys I will be back on tonight and
let me know - I'm gonna um you know I'm
thinking about doing some more episodes
or not even episodes I'm thinking about
just going live a lot more on YouTube to
just cover cover different different
topics like I get a lot of questions I
try to UM formulate them here on the
podcast but if you guys want to like do
more Q&A stuff or whatever the case is
wanted me to go in on a subject matter
I'm thinking about doing some more life
stuff so I can do that
let me know if you guys would like to
see that happen and it'd be fun so with
that I'm gonna say peace of Shalom again
after the fourth time love you guys bye
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