The Paranormal: Ghosts, Entities and The Afterlife | Brent Thomas
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brother how are you hey I'm good how you
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to the table just kind of give a
background of who you are and what you
do well the paranormal portal is just
basically uh it's a discussion about the
paranormal I don't pretend to be an
expert or anything I don't believe there
are experts if anything the paranormal
is is it's just some odd things that
happen in our world debts are are
profound and amazing and they and their
life-changing experiences and they they
crush people's paradigms and they
reshaped people in their wake and and so
it's it's just our forum to have the
discussion about all these strange
things going on whether it's cryptids
UFOs ghosts psychic etc etc I mean we
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understand this now my fascination with
the paranormal came I mean at a very
young age I I don't ever remember not
being interested in ghosts and Bigfoot
and you know all these different things
that are going on but it's just it's
been something that I've spent a large
part of my life experiencing as well you
know it's not just I'm not just
academically interested or just fanboy
interested I'm actually had many
different experiences and now for me
what I think the significance is is that
people kind of regard the paranormal as
when things go sideways but for me it's
it's more of
a clue like it's a clue and it
demonstrates the dynamic fluid nature of
our reality we're so used to thinking of
this world being three dimensions and
the others there's just so much and and
everything else is rigid but I think
when these things happen
they are incredibly profound examples of
what is possible and I think that that's
the clue and that might even be some
somewhat of what Nikola Tesla was
talking about when he said you know as
soon as we start researching the
non-physical might we'll make more
progress in ten years and we made in the
entire history of mankind and that and I
think there's so much energy and so much
to learn from these oddities that I
think it's it's an incredible journey
and and one that I'm just honored to be
on and to have a platform to discuss
that's awesome man
I'm kind of I'm kind of with you like I
can look back over my life and in you
know from childhood I can I can trace
back and this fascination with the other
side and with the paranormal if you will
or monsters or the things that go bump
in the night from literally a toddler
like could be and I think it was because
I can trace it back to weird experiences
you know I'm saying that I had so there
was like something that happened in my
life I talked about it on your show
sending people back go go check that out
but I've talked about a night terror you
know being pinned down in my bed at when
I was like four years old I remember it
for you was there any like early on
experiences that kind of lit something
within you was it a movie that you saw
that was a big part for me especially in
the 80s tons of horror movies and but
for you know when I was a little kid so
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was there any experiences when you was a
kid that kind of lit that fire within
you like with the paranormal you know I
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okay all right um what for me there
wasn't any early really really early
experiences that I had I think it was
probably I was probably in my teen years
before I experienced anything paranormal
and my first experience I think was when
I was 14 I mean I there's been many
quote-unquote psychic events in my life
from an early age but you know there was
never any like ghosts er or UFOs or
anything until I was 14 and that was my
very first experience and that
absolutely was to me life-changing I'd
already been interested in all of this
but for some reason I never had any
experiences so I was I was always on
this journey to tried to understand it
because I was interested in it for as
long as I can remember but when I was 14
years old we were hiking a friend of
mine who was 15 and I were hiking and
this in this state park near where we
grew up and we were climbing into this
wilderness area and we climbed to a top
of what's called the bluff and basically
a short Mountain is all above is if
you're not familiar with it but um we
got up there and we're having a good
time when we decided it was getting to
be later at or in the afternoon so we're
gonna hike back down and we went down
this dry run ravine and we got to this
stop on the on the descent and it was a
it was a dry run because it's only it
only runs water during the spring melt
there's not any springs or anything
feeding this this stream bed but it's
just during the spring runoff but it's
obviously you know tens of thousands of
years old because it's really well
carved into the limestone but we're
standing there on this dried-out
waterfall and just on the edge of it
that's about an eight-foot drop to Louis
and you know we came right down and just
stopped there just to get a breather and
all of a sudden from right behind us
like with like around eight feet behind
us and just above like it was tall
something growled and I grew up in
Minnesota the southern part of Minnesota
right on the Mississippi River Valley
and the biggest thing we had there was
whitetail deer we didn't even have bear
or anything there was no big animals
that
presents and this growl was so deep and
so profound that it vibrated my body and
for the life of me I had no point of
reference for that because I'd been in
these woods all my life I've been
through here you know through there
throughout the course might of my youth
and never seen or heard anything like
that before so I was just frozen and for
the life of me truth I could not turn
around I did not I didn't know what was
there but I knew that it was gonna kill
me in that moment I felt like I was
gonna die
something was very big and resonant a
huge like if you know like huge and it
was growling right behind us like with
you know an 8-foot radius is what it
felt like and he couldn't turn around
either my friend and we were just like
no here silence until the conference
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this out man and uh you know you you
turned me on to this phone this phone
thing all right good keep going man okay
but so we were locked in place in this
growling has happened right behind me
and behind him and and I I just said
well what the hell is that now he was 15
years old year older than maybe using
all these environmental groups and he
just said I don't know but we need to
get the hell out of here so we just ran
we ran for it down this Dundas Boulder
run and we ran and ran until we hit the
main road which is about you know half
to three-quarters of a mile away and
nothing was chasing us nothing was there
but for the life of me I couldn't
couldn't figure out what the hell that
was what was going on and so I you know
carried that for years and years and
years and with the advent of the
Internet much much later I I started
researching it and found out that you
know I I knew there was things like
Bigfoot I knew that they were out there
but I knew they were in they were in the
Pacific Northwest because that's where
Leonard Nimoy told me they were on in
search of you know they weren't in
Minnesota so it was a long time after
that probably oh noes am I in my late
30s that I really started researching
Bigfoot
and I started to figure out the signs
and symbols and then things that people
our tribute to them and then I went back
up into the same wooded area with my
with one of my children at the time and
looked around and sure enough I was
seeing these signs like broken trees and
you know structures and things like that
that I'd never really noticed as a
younger man I just never knew that that
was peculiar or never knew what to look
for so I think and I can't verify it's
true but I think that I had a close
encounter with a sasquatch because then
I learned also that they weren't just in
the Pacific Northwest they're everywhere
and the only state in the United States
that has no sightings of Bigfoots
attributed to it is Hawaii
so that means everywhere else including
Canada and Mexico are having sightings
of these huge cryptids that are
wandering around so that was probably my
first real big catalyzing event in my
life and then later on in my life as an
adult I moved into a house that was very
haunted actually I moved into a few
houses that were haunted so either I
picked really bad places to live or
something was fine with me I'm not sure
which it was but lots of strange things
happen they witnessed UFO as well so
really some really cool things have
happened yeah man it's um it's hard to
say like I think those experiences like
open you up to it to the belief and it
creates for me I think like awe and and
wonder and you know what's really out
there and you know and I think movies
play a big part seeing movies and stuff
we're talking about Bigfoot Harry and
the Hendersons it's like the first thing
for me that comes to mind
Bigfoot's been been like a and if we
went for me I haven't I've never gotten
really big into it and it's never really
interests me but there's more interest
when it comes to this whole this talk of
people saying that like like Bigfoot
like is like a supernatural entity who
can like either travel through portals
or like cloak itself or go in holes in
the ground and things like that if you
had any of those people on that talk
about like you know Bigfoot being like a
supernatural entity you know I I'm a
well
of the discussions about it I haven't
gone too deep into that myself but
here's the thing and this is kind of a
revelation that happened to me very
recently as a matter of fact I did a
show we did a podcast about spontaneous
human invisibility and what it is is
there's apparently a phenomenon that's
going around going on or has been going
on where people are finding themselves
invisible to everyone around them for
some odd reason to the point you're them
so they're in this they're in this
whether it's a sub sub dimension or a
you know a fraction of the dimension
we're in or whatever but these people
are walking around talking to people
they may try to get people's attention
no one will talk to them and they'll go
back to where they started and boom
they're all sudden visible when people
are starting to talk to them and they're
like why didn't you talk to me before
what are you talking about I was right
here I was Yellin right in your face you
didn't even talk to me and and that
people are thank you you are not here
what are you talking about this is crazy
so people are experiencing this and when
you think about it and and you may be in
a more more versed in this than anybody
is the idea that in yogic circles and a
lot of Eastern practices they speak of
and in occult practices they speak of
invisibility and there are apparently
methodologies and potential to train a
person to become invisible now ladies
and gentlemen I know that sounds
absolutely way out there but is there is
a historical in those in the Eastern
religions the Yogi's were known to
disappear and reappear and a lot of lot
of religions around the world embrace
that kind of thing and shamanistic
practices as well so what if what if if
we're capable of this and which would
make us a very supernatural being and in
our potential what if these other beings
such as sasquatch and stuff which are
believed by many to have human or above
human intelligence what if they just
always known this and can do it at will
so that's my revelation yeah bring it
bring something new to the table I mean
as far as like
you know when I think about having the
power to to be invisible it is not
really with beans I'm not really well
studied on that my it it links to the
you know the UFOs the UFO phenomena
being able to kind of cloak themselves
and and jump in between dimensions and
things like that you know maybe a form
of like spying that same thing but like
astral travel like being able to kind of
like you know astrally go somewhere
maybe their subconscious is going
through the motions or thinking that
they're awake and yeah we had a
conversation I mean how many times does
that happen how many times have you been
laying in bed and the alarm goes off and
then you hit the snooze but in your mind
you're up getting ready and getting
dressed and eating breakfast and then
the snooze goes off and you're still in
bed like part of you has to go through
the motions again I mean even so like
it's showing up at work or the drive to
work and you wake up and you're still in
your bed but you're you could have swore
that it was it was real and but you have
to do it again I mean so many times
that's happened so this this instance of
like maybe that they're not really being
invisible but maybe their consciousness
is going out about their day having
conversations talking to people I mean
even with conversations like I could
have swore I told you that you know my
wife I told her that in a dream like I
did in physics she doesn't know it but
in the dream we had this conversation
you know that's a whole nother you know
realm to look at this stuff too right
sure yeah and then you look at my
location and things like that and so
apparently that the spontaneous human
invisibility well at least the trained
version of it where it's the the
esoteric and religious practice is to
imagine this cloud and it's like it's
like as you're meditating you're
focusing it turns into like you're
standing in this white cloud and you let
allegedly literally see it and then you
envelop it around you with your will and
then it becomes a shield and so I you
know you're right though I mean it could
just be a simple projection it could be
something something else where the
consciousness is extending itself but
the person that were actually moved
that's certainly possible and creating
platforms and and
have you but uh yeah I think it's that's
a good angle yeah it's interesting but
uh you know in and kind of linking that
to you know the whole sasquatch being
some type of spiritual or
interdimensional beings and they say the
same thing for birds and stuff as well
I'm sure you've heard that like birds or
that because and they try to link it to
we don't see enough bird skeletons and
you know dead carcasses as birds as we
should like the ratio like where do they
go when they die you know and and I
would say the same thing about Sasquatch
like why we can't find all of these
really for any any animals in the
wilderness you know as far as the ratio
to the carcasses that we see is like
it's disproportionate so you know just
I've heard some of those interviews on
coast to coast you know about Sasquatch
being a it's interesting to think about
it but um yes so what about uh let me
ask you about this so like something
that's very interesting to me and it
kind of messes with me at time I'm like
a real I wouldn't call myself a
religious person I'm more spiritual I do
have like you know religious background
but uh just the idea of exploring death
sometimes maybe from interviewing these
people with different belief systems and
backgrounds and stories and books even
like sometimes it messes with me like
the death in the afterlife like just
when you think you have it figured out
you like oh damn you know and it's still
and it's much research at as much study
and as much philosophy you would think
that you would have it figured out and
just when you do you interview another
guest and something snaps in this new
realm is opened up whether it's
reincarnation whether it is there's
nothing nasarah normal is reassurance of
an afterlife of something else happening
on the other side right what about what
about you is that has it helped you at
all like with coming to grips with with
what happens on the other side that we
we do get to live forever like some
people will say don't don't look into
that but for me it's like okay
something's got to explain these ghosts
something's got to explain these demons
these UFOs like there's something there
that gives us some type of validity that
something continues on now whether it's
a record or a like a stamp if you will a
recording that's just playing over and
over in the ethers of something like
traumatic that happened somebody who
died it was murdered or in the house and
it's just playing over like that those
are things are looking to as well but
having these conversations sometimes it
messes with me and I get and that's when
I do open the Bible and read about the
reassurance of everlasting life and
going to heaven it gives me this peace
but for you what what has studying the
paranormal done for you with a view of
the afterlife what do you think happens
and what is interview and all these
people are brought to the table for you
well I think you know there's there's so
many different ideas so like if you
subscribe to the whole simulation theory
that this is just a simulation and that
we're just you know we're just playing
apart or whatever I mean and that's
probably true no matter how you look at
it whether it's a computer simulation or
if it's spiritual simulation or whatever
I mean it's just a man manifestation of
energy either way so we're having these
experiences you know I of course I I'm
always thinking about all of these
things such as these big after death and
you know of course I read thousands of
stories during the paranormal portal and
some of the most powerful ones are when
these people and I've experienced this
myself but having visitations by people
that they love that have passed away I
think is so cathartic and it would it's
such a healing thing you know people are
just devastated mourning the death of
their father or their grandfather or
something and then you know they're
they're in bed to in tears and suddenly
a bright light fills the room and
there's this presence and it glows into
it you know it's there it is grab our
dad or whoever I'm okay don't worry
about me everything's fine I'll be
watching over you I mean what a powerful
powerful incredible experience you know
and so those are those are certainly
reassuring but I think the one one of
the pieces of research that I've done
quite a bit of that I think for me is
the most reassuring about life after
death and the continuation of our of our
life into other expressions I think is
is the near-death experiences especially
said he did a lot of researching with
children who was that name again I think
you kind of cut out right when you said
it Raymond Moody Oh character Raymond
Moody and he did a lot of a you know
researching on children having
near-death experiences because he'd done
a bunch with adults but his his idea was
that you know we have preconceived
notions so if this is just a function of
the brain some kind of visualizations
that we've been programmed to receive
maybe that's just you know a function of
our lifeforce fading and this is it but
what what he found was the the congruity
of that same experience including
meeting loved ones and meeting religious
figures like Jesus or or whomever and
having these wonderful conversations and
hearing oh it's not your time yet you
have to go back and then of course
coming back and then people having
near-death experiences floating above
their body telling you no coming back
and telling people hey I saw you do this
or I can't I was I was out of my body
and I was in the waiting room and I saw
you trip over that rug and spill your
coffee and and people are like you know
I mean there's these these phenomena are
are so incredibly powerful no you know I
mean in fundamental physics energies
neither created nor destroyed it changes
form and of course form and and
physicality is just energy as well so we
are a conscious energy not just a
biological mass of energy so you know I
think I think that it's it's probably
the biggest question there is but then
again it's the one journey we're all
gonna take yeah it's inevitable it's
yeah it messes with me with having all
of these damn discussions you know
enough it just keeps it coming up I mean
you know it's something that we all you
know your biological clock is ticking
like like you can't stop time it's it's
a journey that we all have to take and
it's the fear of the unknown
you know and
and for any of us especially the
religious who you know there's a comfort
there that you know when I die I'm going
to heaven and it's haven't and you know
this idea of what even heaven is if it's
gonna look like this or whatever the
case is which I doubt it we're going
back to energy and essence and light and
things like that so it it messes with me
sometimes I just keep thinking about it
and thinking about consciousness and I
get scared and I just be open about it
like my whole thing with consciousness
continuing to move on
is the fact when I look at here's I'll
just throw this at you I've talked to
some people but the thing that messes
with me is it's people who become what
is it like elderly people who kind of
lose the functions of their brain that
they have dementia they forget everybody
they don't know who you are they don't
know who they are they're just in a
state of other come other confusion
they're just data Hey they're not even
there they suck they don't remember that
kids anymore it's very sad it's
something that happens but for me to
think that like once they die once they
cross over they pop they snap out of it
oh wow I forgot who I was for like seven
years before I died no I'm here now that
messes with me a little bit to think
about dementia or to think about you
know someone trapped in a body who's
who's handicapped someone who has
physical disabilities who who can't
speak who can't move their body who has
to be fed but when they die damn I'm
good now I'm released from this to think
that it like it's automatically better
we would we hope it is you know there's
these things that kind of with like
consciousness in the afterlife and keep
moving what would what would your
thoughts be on that for someone who has
dementia like what happens to them when
they when they cross over is it just
even more questions the more we we talk
about this stuff or what well in those
cases I thought about that because my
grandmother had dementia and she passed
and my my cousin had Alzheimer's when
she passed and it's a painful thing for
us to observe and to see that confusion
and fear and stuff but I
you went on there this is just a
hypothesis obviously but I just think
that you know there's there's many many
types of deaths and there's many types
of passing and I think in those cases as
though as the physical mechanism of our
body fails or in especially I think the
brain is like a focal point in a sense
to our soul to Express and in this in
this realm and I think what could be
going on is as that damage happens that
calcification and and such happens in
the neural pathways that perhaps the
transition has already happened to a
degree but there still have an anchor in
the body so I that in a large sense
there's probably their soul has largely
moved on I would like to believe that
because of course having watched people
I love suffer you know I don't think
that they're trapped in there in that
state of fear and confusion so I hope
that I'm right in that that they're not
part of that conscious energy is still
there and and really doesn't know what
to do and the great liberation then of
course is when the body does eventually
pass but I think I think that maybe
they're already passed but their body
just doesn't know it yet or just takes a
little more time that's interesting you
say that you know I came on on your
podcast and shared shared my story about
you know teetering between the realms
you know and so it's almost like a part
of me was was was dying you know a part
of my spirit was was was crossing over
early and I was stuck in like a
teeter-totter between the realms and so
it is interesting that you say that that
part of us can live in this this next
life or this next realm and we're kind
of I think I think a true shaman there's
one who's able to go back and forth
between the realms you know and and try
to hold their sanity and not get lost
over there and make it back you know
when we talk about spirits and death in
the afterlife and evil spirits and stuff
like that it could be scary because you
know some people don't make it back of
going between the realms and making
pacts with with deceptive spirits if you
will but being one who's like stuck in
between like even now not when we die or
we we reached this this place in life
but young people or
people whose open up doors and they're
not all that there anymore like part of
them is living in another realm
you know maybe schizophrenia you know
and you know there's definitely a
borderline to what like we're talking
about people who are able to remain sane
and keep their sanity talking about all
this stuff the majority would just throw
all of the stuff out of the window they
don't even look into it but for those
who are like on the fringes even of
reality and exploration they literally
live in the other realms yeah yeah I
think so I think there's a lot to that
and that you know I think you know we
probably within us all have this truly a
multi-dimensional consciousness we just
were blinded so in so many ways to it
whether it's the the pace of the world
whether it's the pace of our lives
whether it's the physical distractions
or or media or any number of things that
may pound us into this three dimensions
but I think we're I think we're probably
meant to be that interdimensional
reality we just haven't quite figured
out how to unlock that as a society I
think that individuals do and we do it
we all probably do in moments in our
life it's just maintaining that focus I
think is what we have to learn to do
well being incarnate I think we did I
think that that's one there's like this
fascination with the ancient ways the
ancient world I think that they
understood it a lot more than we do now
and there's like a resurgence to
spirituality to the paranormal to asking
these bigger questions as we become more
technologically advanced we're moving
away from nature and from these natural
god-given abilities again to leave your
body to project your consciousness to
you know manifest and all of these weird
spiritual abilities that we have that
people focus on I believe that they were
commonly known by our ancestors whether
it was you know the Native Americans or
the Mayans or the Aztecs whoever they
had the spiritual technology that they
all understood and and that's for me as
a call to the paranormal in it again it
gives proof that that there is or was
something that exists that beyond the
five senses right yes is there a link
there to you
spirituality and in the paranormal
absolutely and again I think that's the
breadcrumbs those are the those are the
reminders I mean I think that a lot of
times paranormal things happen and they
frighten people
of course because things are happening
that they're not really they're so far
outside of their paradigm they don't
know how to how to process it but I
think that a lot of times it can just be
a wake-up call like come on you know
it's time to quit being so cosmetic quit
being so
so shallow and and realize you are
multi-dimensional you are part of the
divine light of the universe and here
you are just focused in your little
microcosm and and that's not the way
it's supposed to happen so I think
that's that in many cases it happens
because it's supposed to because people
have to get shuk out of there out of the
reverie and out of you know blindness so
to speak yeah yeah and and I think you
know for me maybe you and many other
people listening like it was done at an
early age they just it lit a spark
within you to to ask the bigger
questions I mean some people go their
whole life without even questioning this
stuff I guess you know as before you
know I think some of the stuff Lynn's -
if we're not careful escapism as well of
like religion for sure like I need to
have some type of answer about what
happens on the other side and it's like
the first thing or the best thing you
know whatever religion that you
subscribe to or you know you just
believe it and it does it there is a
blessed assurance right that kind of
comes along with it I mean you would be
silly to act like that even me saying
that like I need to open up the Bible
and read about that what really happens
on the other side like even some of the
weird far-out like reincarnation stuff
like that's even scary to me like I
don't want to be reincarnated as some
somebody else with another family and
another experience I want to get it
right now whether it's like karmic
balance or doing good or passing tests
and the more studying I'm studying I'm
doing it even within the Bible I'm
looking at there's like a sortation or
something like where you go from here
I'm not necessarily sure that you get to
do it again like
you come back as another child and new
family and stuff and so I do question
the reincarnation even though a lot of
people who listen to this and a lot of
people I interview believe in it I'm
still skeptical I believe more that like
you got a chance to get it right don't
wait for the next life like get it now
like make your amends now don't why wait
like and have to take the same test over
in lifetimes and stuff but the sortation
that happens again getting into like
ascended masters and people who have
passed those tests and become spiritual
leaders and things like that from the
other side this whole thing of like
looking into the Bible with like the the
great cloud of witnesses and your
teachers speaking with you from the
other side like they didn't reincarnate
and come again but they are like on the
other side rooting you on and at times
coming through to communicate with you
in the dream state as essences or even
through meditation and prayer or
actually physically showing up like
these people coming back and getting
into like Eastern thought that was
something that it's practicing or
believed by the majority of Eastern
religions and Christianity coming from
the east at like it gives some
credibility to this that you know maybe
that's not so far off of something they
get to communicate with us from the
other side I mean you're talking about
ghosts and demons and spirits and imps
and fairies and whatever that there's
all of these entities on the other side
again I don't I'm not really I can't say
but you know there is there is escapism
like we want to be able to wrap our head
and say okay that we put things in boxes
and we compartmentalize okay that's a
Christian okay that's a Muslim okay
that's a black guy okay that's what
happens when you die you know as we go
we're instantly with Jesus and this we
just get to put a check and just put it
to the side and carry on about our lives
you know right so here's kind of my my
two cents on this and again again it's
just me as a person that Ponder's this
stuff quite a bit as well and so there's
a concept called non-euclidean
space-time as what I think it it might
be butchering the hell out of it but
anyway it's the concept at all moments
of time
and of
first let me just reference a scientific
study that was done and I don't remember
the university or when exactly but it
was in in the recent past and what they
what they said is that they were able to
create little big bangs but they said
the problem was is they create it and
boom it disappeared and the idea of
non-euclidean space-time would say that
yeah you created a Big Bang a universe
formed it lived for it's billions of
years of life and disappeared in what
seemed instantaneously to you but for
for this reality that was created could
it have been an entire expansive
universe that had billions or trillions
or quadrillions of years and then was
faded back into nothing so time time to
to me maybe just our understanding of
how to measure change and so instead of
thinking about it in terms of I'm done
with this life I have to go to another
life now I'm done with that life I have
to go to another life as I progress what
if we are not just incarnate in this one
life right now in this eternal now what
if we're already spiderwebbed into all
these different experiences and and
living them in different timelines
because it's just a vibrational
dimensional kind of concept when you
think about potential time-space
possibilities and I'm no I'm no
physicist so I could be really really
bastardizing and beating the hell out of
this but in my mind it's it's you know I
kind of think that that might be
something so in other words after this
marathon yeah the last thing I want to
do is get on it again you know I you
know whenever this dirties done I hope I
get the reward that that I believe is
coming and I hope I have this eternity
of living in this bliss but so what if
we're already expressed in these
although all these other times and and
when it's done it'll be done you know
that's interesting too talking about you
know I'm saying manifestation being able
to manifest things and we'll it into
your existence and synchronicity and all
of these things tied in not something
that you're going to become but
something that you are but ER because it
already exists so thinking about
universal law and manifestation like
that concept
really
fits in and there's no such thing as
space and time you already have it you
just have to manifest it and kind of
kind of bring it into your reality now
time and the way things work too you
know to kind of to kind of get that into
your your your your your life is a trip
it's you know the Bible says that as
long as they're you know the earth is
here that will always be seed time and
harvest there will always be like these
seasons that come that if you plant
something even spiritually you plant it
you birthed it a business a career or a
friendship or relationship you birthday
it's going to grow you have to water it
you know in everything that we do so I
don't know if it you know that the time
thing is kind of iffy you know I've seen
things manifest the next day I've seen a
manifest instantly as far as like let me
put this into the atmosphere let me
speak it out let me believe it as it
already is not that it's going to come
but it's said already it's already out
there and I just have to kind of pull it
in and seeing these things birth or
whatever and live in my life that way
and and in you know the scriptures and
Eastern thought and all the stuff
becomes a lot more attractive when
you're like you know whether it's these
other these different timelines or
everything exists all possibilities
exist if you believe it but if you don't
believe it it's not gonna happen but
once you believe it you start to see it
and those things again going back to the
childhood stuff of having these
paranormal experiences you now have the
framework to believe in something
otherworldly so now you're having all of
these encounters I mean you are her last
party in the conference you will hear
silence until the conference begins
thank you lady so that so now now you're
staring at stars you know I'm saying now
you're watching movies that ignite
something within you right you watch
horror movies or scary movies or things
about ETS and then you start seeing it
everywhere because now you have the
framework that it's a possibility
even just for you even if it's just for
you if it nobody else believes it that
you believe it and you create it within
your reality I mean that's getting into
the belief system of crazy stuff maybe
that's again where the balance and
somebody had a quote there was some
balance between spirituality and
schizophrenia
like a thin line of believing these
things to be true believing that people
are coming for you believing that you
know people are listening to you and
watching you and getting it like this
balance between the realms you know it's
it's very interesting song and dance
have you ever had any close calls or
some weird places where you had to take
a time off or something or just got
overwhelmed or anything like that with
the paranoia or with life in general
both I guess I mean I I think they're
linked do you know especially your being
open to these other you know realms or
ideas you know I I don't know I think
that that growling was probably the
scariest event in my in my life that I
can think of I mean really nearly died
several times I nearly drowned a few
times and yeah I had health issues and
and had had battle through those some of
which turned dangerous but I've made it
and so I think that it all it all kind
of gives you an appreciation for what
you're what you are and what you're what
you're doing and where you're going but
for the paranormal I think you know
something might be wrong with me to be
honest with you because I've had some
really freaky ghost things happen and
they'll grant it I've never like stood
toe-to-toe with the incarnate demon or
anything like that but I've had some
really freaky things moving chandelier
falling out of the ceiling after I wrote
walked under it things that probably
should have frightened me and I've seen
things move and you know all of that
I've seen an apparition but none of it's
bothered me and it's like I don't know
if that means that you know on an
emotional level it wasn't meant to be
like it really was never in any danger
and they somehow intuitively knew that
or if that just means that somehow I'm
detuned to being jumpy around that stuff
I don't know I mean I don't mean to act
as if I'm super brave or anything
because I don't know that I am I'm just
for some reason when those things have
happened I never felt worried about it
but to me they just were most of the
paranormal things that I've experienced
for me have served to be affirmations
because I started the paranormal
because I wanted to believe I and I do
want to believe of course I love this
stuff I wanted to believe that the light
that life still has mystery that they're
still discovery that can happen a common
knowledge today is that the world is map
everything's labeled and kept classified
and the end let's shoot for space and
I'm like now there's just amazing stuff
all around us right around the corner
right behind you you know it within you
there's so much we still have yet to
learn and discover and to me that's what
the the paranormal represents and that's
the excitement of it is that you know I
don't want to live in a mundane world
where you know it's the best you can
hope for is 9:00 to 5:00 Monday through
Friday and you know saving your life for
the weekends I want to have adventure
and and Wonder in every moment of every
day you know that to me is exciting and
that's what that's what makes every day
fun to wake up to is that you know what
will I learn today well I hear today
what you know what what emails will I
receive from listeners today because I
get so excited about all of those and
when I'm doing the show who's gonna call
in what are they gonna say you know and
it's just this really cool experience of
people maybe in some cases suspending
belief because some of this some of the
stuff is out there and you know by
suspending belief I don't mean that
that's you know we have to suspend the
factual I'm just saying we have to
expand our consciousness or what our set
of beliefs is in order to open up to
possibility because I think the
paranormal is the possibility and that's
again the demonstration of the fluid and
dynamic nature of our reality
what about charlatans
what about have you interviewed people
and you like hold on I'm calling BS like
in some of these people I think are
really big big names they're selling
books and like they make it up as they
go and and it's definitely in the
spiritual it's in the paranormal it's in
ufology it's everywhere it's in the
church you know it's in Hinduism it's no
matter where you go you're gonna deal
with the people who were kind of like
muddying up the waters and they know
what sells they know how to move a crowd
and some of these people are very
popular like they're making a lot of
money and they're convincing they're
good storytellers
maybe that's the thing is I hey I'm just
I'm entertaining you I'm giving you guys
what you want you want this stuff and
I'm serving it up you know and there's a
lot of things like that again I talked
about like there's books that came out
in Christianity with like about the
afterlife a kid who died and and went to
heaven you know within they wrote a book
wrote a movie years later the kids said
hey my parents told me to make this up
you know and and the parents were
coaxing the kid I just that in in the
book as well but um like do you have you
dealt with that at all do you get people
on here just like oh I'm just you know I
can't say that I believe everything
everybody is said on the show but I try
to keep an open mind because I know that
that reality is subjective and so to
them it might be absolutely real but to
me it's way beyond my ability to really
subscribe to it but I know that there's
a lot of beliefs out there and some of
them to me to seem like really weird now
I will say that I've been asked to get
certain you know people on the show that
I don't believe it and I I don't make I
don't reach out to those people and
that's that's just me I can't because I
want I want the show to always have an
integrity like everything that I present
on the show is if it's not something
that I've personally sourced at least
it's presented as factual or true now is
it I can't say but you know I've
probably read a thousands and thousands
of ghost stories and then such on my
show are they all true probably not but
if only one percent of those are what
fraction of percent is true then that is
absolutely demonstrating some incredible
phenomena and and that to me is exciting
but ya know I mean once once anything
becomes a business I've always have
people exploiting it one of my biggest
pet peeves is the the the psychic craze
of the 90s and and late 80s when it
became a charlatans game do you take the
letter K does that mean anything to you
and that all these broad psychological
bantered well yeah looking for looking
for hits and then dialing in on that the
next thing my god he knew that
I lost my wedding ring and you know and
all this stuff well yeah I mean it's a
psychological game so like we have a
psychic that comes on that she's
actually on this Friday and does free
readings now I believe in her because
her process is what's your name and what
do you want to know about so people say
my name is Pete I'm wondering about my
job and that's it and then she boom will
start dialing stuff in she doesn't sit
and ask questions if she did I would
never have let her have a second
appearance but she's just a wonderful
person her name is Deb Varner if you
don't want to check it out check out our
show this Friday but she's just a
wonderful person but yeah of course
they're there's so many people
exploiting everything I mean look at
look at Christianity how many idiots are
there out there healing people on stage
in front of Coliseum's full of people
and performing miracles and doing slap
fests and everybody's fallen over it's
just it's a it's a it's a production and
that to me is actually sad that to me is
it's preying upon people's need to
believe in something more and to have a
to reinforce their faith and somebody's
just saying yeah you should you're gonna
be fine but you're gonna fill out that
donation slip you know that kind of
stuff to me that is just horrible and
and you know you know the New Age
movement when it first came out it was
so full and and still is so full of
people and that the ideas and the
concepts that are being paddled out
there I mean there's nothing new in New
Age it's just reworked old old
philosophies but they put a spin on it
today and they they get an idea and they
add more and and it becomes this
ridiculous idea of people you know
selling snake oil and so there's always
gonna be that and and I will never
knowingly entertain that on my show but
no I've been I've been pretty pretty
careful in that I again I have to
suspend my my own belief system a lot of
times on the show but I try to keep an
open mind ya know I'm with you on that I
just try to find common ground and I
some friends some friends of mine will
hit me up and say man I watched this
video on this Tom traveler man and he's
a 14 year old kid and you got to have
one the show made he got millions of
views I'm like
I don't I don't want to do did you get
so many views I don't I'm thankful for
the low 300 views I got well on
something that's you know of substance
or whatever I just I don't I don't
believe in it alright and and I'm not
saying that again like it's subjective
and you know it could be could be
telling the truth any of these people
you know you know the weird thing is it
like and even with conspiracy theories
like I've for the years now because I
was into them I've like kind of stayed
away like wanting something of substance
that's gonna help people I mean I want
you to ask questions I want you to
Google I want you to read books you know
what I'm saying I want to kind of do
that but the I want I want I want to
impart something you know again the awe
and wonder of a ghost encounter you know
of a ghost story you hear these stories
and you hear ain't your night not just
ghosts angels aliens you know all of
this stuff it ignites something within
you it's it's happened to me and then
I'm being able to pay it forward through
you know the podcasts and through the
music and the book and whatever you know
and it's doing that for other people's
and I'm with you again with the emails
and reading them and man I can't thank
you enough I was lost I was this I gave
up on spirituality I gave up on religion
I gave up on church whatever give up on
God but I listened to your song I
listened to your podcast and now I'm
like I feel free something's lifted off
of me somebody look that's uh that's it
that's good that's you know spiritual
I'm blessing people and you know and
giving hope and stuff like that of some
substance now we can get into some
far-out I'm interested in it all you
know what I'm saying but uh but you want
to be protective over your platform as
like hey you didn't you knowingly
entertain this stuff but again I mean
that you know we entertained it with
movies and you know ideas like that of
we know this isn't real and going to
this movie but we want to you know
they're good storytellers again you know
so we want to give them our money and
listen and the religion is huge like
that I mean there's a there's a
scripture in the Bible that talks about
like rebuking the false prophets right
and I got into this thing when I was
into like calling out all the money
hungry Church guys I just went on this
weird like just journey and I would call
people out by name and do videos on them
and just stupid stuff and but then out
there was a scripture that because
there's a bunch of scriptures about
rebuke and false prophets and the liars
and false witnesses and stuff like that
but then there was another scripture
that said that these people pay these
people these this money because they're
telling them what they want to hear mmm
like it's like they're these people are
looking for they want to hear that so
it's not like the you know the burden is
on the false prophets for deceiving
people the burden is on the people
because they're freely given their money
they're freely paying for what they want
to hear whether it's you don't believe
in Joel Osteen or whoever the preacher
or guru is like these people want to
hear this stuff again what we have going
on I have supporters and patrons like
we're striking a chord like they want to
hear this stuff it's doing something for
them they believe in it right so like
the burden is not on the snake oil
people it's on the people who's
promoting them and giving their money to
help fund what they have going on like
they says that the people have itching
ears and they want to hear all of these
lies and things like that so it really
changed my focus it's like hold on if
you take that guy down there's gonna be
another in his place you know that the
people are gonna look for and seek out
so no that's true and and and also I
think that it's certainly making people
aware is one thing but engaging in that
answer I think this it cheapens what we
do then if we attack those people
publicly then we're just seeing a part
of the same game we're just doing
another with the spectrum then giving it
a publicity and all kind of exactly yeah
and you know but it is it is tragic
that's that people leverage immortality
they leverage immortality for money and
that to me is is terrible now I don't
think there's anything wrong with making
a living doing what you
love and you know I mean nobody comes in
paint your house for free well you know
I mean everybody provides some kind of
value to somebody else and and money is
certainly a reasonable expectation for
that you know we all want to make a
living doing what we love but there are
people that of course take advantage of
that too it to a horrible degree and
they and they use fear and they use you
know doubt and they they tell you that
you're dirty and that you need it could
be clean and the only way you can be
clean is you know it gotta let me clean
you and and so it's you know there is a
lot of vulnerable people to that because
we're all I think that everybody yearns
for spirituality we do we don't we don't
want to just exist in this we want to
exist you know in in all of it and we
want to be a part because I think
there's maybe a part of all of us that
mint remembers being you know one with
with the God whatever title or
description you give it and so we're all
trying there's all these people holding
the signs like I can get you there I can
get you there I can get there and then
some of them some of them can and that's
what I think religions are is they're
just different paths up that's up that a
hill to the to the pinnacle then there's
other paths that are going all kinds of
scary places and never getting you
anywhere except uh separating you from
your money and that's unfortunate and
that's it is a predatory practice you
know and that's that's diabolical I
think I'm with you like I think you just
put it out there you know you let people
know look this is what you like you know
if you want us if you like this if you
support it you know and that not to like
you know twist your arm or trick you
into givin so that's the thing with like
a lot of the churches have done it's
like they can't say hey man this is what
we do we want to continue supporting it
like it costs money to keep these lights
on to pay for rent to pay for the bills
to pay for the pastor like a view if you
like this didn't support it cuz if not
then we have to turn the a/c off we have
to turn the lights off and you know all
this kind of stuff just be open and
honest but it's like you know they have
to trick them into give and they have to
shake they can't just preach a good
sermon and expect the people to give
they have to shake the money out of
people and it's a sickening man it
really is it is it's it's profane but
you know
that when you use you use salvation as a
currency then it's then there's
something broken yeah
that's a big one too when it comes to
like talking people because I do not
deal with a lot of religious people
people in the church and and and coming
out of the church or going into the
church like all of these different
transitions but talk like when the
pastor tells you something like you take
it as gospel you take it as proof like
he's a spiritual authority the spiritual
leader you don't question that he
studied he's a lot smarter than you are
you know he tells you stuff about what
to believe it but it's not just about
what to believe about this life in these
facts and these questions but it's about
the afterlife it's about eternity so
when we come up and we bring something
else to the table well maybe that maybe
he's not right oh wait wait
I didn't only trust this man or the of
this Bible or whatever for my for my
life I'm trusting it for my afterlife
too for all of eternity
that this has to be what happens and so
there's a lot of fight or flight that
happens and in the religious community
of like I don't think it's like that
none and I've seen so many like
religious debates and name-calling and
people getting angry and losing
friendships you know I've studied this
for seven years this is it you know it's
like I don't think so but kind of like
what we're talking about for we went
live like just seeing like the
differences in belief systems and and in
things like that and seeing how eclectic
people are and still being able to like
have a good conversation or be friends
with the person or whatever which is so
you know that's where the power lies now
and I'm starting to see that more and
more like the powers is in our
differences and that we come together
versus all being these lemmings who have
the same experiences and like would it
would be silly for people for me to
expect people to believe in any of my
encounters or experiences in them have
never had it yeah you know and and there
is some of those people they just trust
you or like maybe they trust you know I
get it all the time like okay I like
what y'all like your Jesus stuff but the
alien you lose you lose me at the alien
stuff you know tell me even yesterday
I'm not into the alien stuff that's fine
you
I'm not into this I'm not into that but
it's like you know you you you strike a
chord with people and and you know you
have something to offer that uh that
helps them you know and they're not like
it would be silly for but I think the
majority is people who have had those
encounters who are seeking out this
stuff like they're googling it you don't
have to force something off to trick
them looking up ghost stories ghost
encounters whatever it is they find your
podcast they find your music and and
it's because they've they've had a
similar experience or they want to you
know well you know there's the other
side of it too is the people that refuse
to acknowledge their experiences you
know they'll they'll have these most I
can't tell you how many how many stories
ever had on the air it's like I don't
believe in ghosts but this one time you
know and they'll go on to describe these
incredible events and it's like but I
don't believe in ghosts so how do you
how do you witness such such events and
still ignore them and so but I think
you're right I think it's that old
saying when when the student is ready
the teacher appears well the teachers
are already there and they are already
you know available and sometimes I'm a
teacher sometimes I'm a student you know
and likewise for you I'm sure and you
know people will find us when they're
when they're meant to on their own
journey but that's that's good and and
it creates a family of people that are
really interested for the right reasons
rather than being out there shouting on
street corners trying to get vulnerable
people a sign you know now let me ask
you this so do you get this cuz I get it
a lot and I talk about it a lot I know a
lot I know it's out there it's
definitely out there with the religious
community people will go with you so far
until you mentioned something and then
you lose them with the religious
community it's like that like they were
listening to a podcast like this they're
into it I love it again oh you lost me
with the alien things I'm out aliens are
demons and you guys are signalling UFOs
with your lighters in you know what I'm
saying like you lose people because of
like these different philosophies or
religious beliefs and it happens to me a
lot
I'll have big supporters and and friends
who were with me but like ah you lost me
here I'm done I'm removing my support
yeah not and and and now I'm kind of
your enemy I'm telling people to stay
away from you
you know just because it's not nothing
has changed like this I've been talking
about this name stuff for years now you
may not have seen those episodes or have
heard me talk about this stuff but once
you find out they're gone like they're
gonna do you do you get that a lot -
it's definitely with the religious but
do you get it a lot - oh yeah yeah I get
you know I get P you know I I don't do
as much on the religion and on the
paranormal portal because and I I don't
I don't you know I'm not prepared to or
knowledgeable enough to try to teach
people about religion but I do try to
teach people spirituality if that makes
sense there's a definite distinction but
um I get I get people that are like you
know I like the Bigfoot shows a ghost
ones are okay but man when you start
talking about UFOs I ain't into that
stuff you know it's like well how how
can somebody believe that there are
these intangible people walking around
moving stuff creating havoc you know it
possessing people doin all kinds of
crazy stuff and then on the forest
there's ten feet tall hairy apes
wandering around and rays inhabit but
they can't get around the idea that
there could be a flying saucer it's like
how come how come you suspend belief for
that one thing what is about that one
thing you can't wrap your head around
but you know of course and then there's
the people that wanna you know they want
to create your presentation into what
they want you need to do more of these
shows and less of those and this music
and and I and I use my own music for the
for the shows and I can you know I get a
lot of a lot of support from people I
really like that song what is it because
you know they can't find it and then
they're people like man whoever wrote
that is absolutely tone-deaf that is so
pitchy and terrible you got to get rid
of that garbage you know it's wrecking
your show yeah oh man that's the crazy
thing too because I get both in like you
know people say I have a long intro then
and you need to have a shorter intro
it's too long but I play my music in it
and then other people are like that's
the song you know and then they message
me you know what you know I'm saying
what song is that who is that singing
and on the course and I was like or the
the intro I'm like that's me so it kind
of like
I get to show them my work too but you
get those messages hey man intros too
long just jump into it or they'll post
it I've seen some of these where they'll
post in the comments like the timestamp
where the interview starts now they'll
get past your intro the music they'll
get past your patreon I was like you
know to timestamp it because if you
click it the guest comes in at 5:07
click this you know in it of jump right
to it as I hold on like without the
patreon and without the commercials or
whatever like this doesn't exist you
know what I'm saying so you have you
need to listen to that in support like
I'm saying it for a reason you know in
thanking those people for supporting it
for a reason you know
but yeah you get you get all that stuff
and trying to go back and forth and
trying to decipher but it always works
out when you just do what you feel led
to do and you're go you're good right
yeah I think so I mean it's it's it's
certainly uh it's it's a it's our unique
paths and that's you know we're just
putting on the best shows that we know
how to do I mean we're not Hollywood
we're just you know guys that with a
whole lot of ambition and and a dream to
do something special and so that's what
these shows are about you know you know
it's blood sweat and tears I mean you
know there's there's nothing easy about
this you've got to keep an unknown
number of people entertained for a
period of time and you struggle with
that mystery with concepts and ideas and
and you know these things don't pay for
themselves you know yeah yeah it was uh
there was a guy one time he hit me up he
shot out I like it's hard to mention
stuff without hoping that they don't get
offended but I had this one guy who was
listening he was like he's like me he
said man it must be nice man I'd love to
sit up and talk to hot women all day and
podcast I was like we'll do it like if
you you can start a podcast so you think
I am like you think I'm like there's
money or machine behind me do it like if
you want to sit up and talk to hot women
all day do it be creator there's a niche
for it there's people who are listen you
know and but yeah whatever it is it's
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looking back over like childhood like
combing over like doing that the inner
work and getting over stuff and wanting
to find out like what where did this
fascination with this come from you know
I look back over my childhood and
nostalgia a lot at 80s and 90s and these
horror movies were huge for me still
loved them most of what's coming out
today I can't stand you know I try to
watch it hopefully I hope hoping that
we'll get a good horror movie but it's
there for you and far between these days
I feel like with we don't see
animatronics and puppets and stuff no
more like we did in the 90s which I
loved it even if it was just like some
you know just one you know if even if it
was poorly done which there was so much
that weirdo that were done good it's
just so different than like CGI and
stuff we watched and I can't pronounce
this name we've been pronouncing it
different every time we say oh but
yesterday with my daughter I watched the
curse of Loch Corona or something like
that and which was it which was pretty
good it was pretty good movie a lot of
jump scares is what they're focusing on
now but I try to trace where this stuff
comes from even the fascination with
the other side and in the the paranormal
in the occult and spirituality or
religion or whatever afterlife had this
encounter when I was a kid man and I
remember it and I've been thinking about
it a lot lately like I remember walking
through the neighborhood in Springfield
Louisiana and we're walking through and
there was this house where these people
were moving out of and it had a bunch of
stuff piled up outside a lot of it was
in garbage cans and we're just mad we
had to be like 8 9 10 years old
something in there 8 or 9 some and we
walk by there and we started going
through the stuff and it was closed and
a bunch of stuff that happened a lot as
a random piles of belongings I say we
just run me to Stewart his kids and fine
that would find Playboy it's like you
find all kind of stuff we found this
magazine or this book and I remember it
and we opened it up and we were looking
at it and it was a some type of a cult
book like there was a pentagram on it
don't know the name of it and we're but
it was a bunch of images a bunch of
pictures of demons and crazy and we're
just like little kids we found the site
what is this and we're just I'm
fascinated
you know I like scary movies and scaring
people and stuff and we're just looking
at it and if we found it we felt like we
were doing something we wasn't supposed
to be doing there was just one image of
like this naked lady on a cross was like
a wolf head or whatever it was like some
sadistic pentagrams and Baphomet and I
remember one page being of like vampires
on a pit just crazy stuff and it felt
like what I supposed to be doing this
you know and the house next door there
was a Rottweiler behind the the gate and
the gate was a lattice fence the wood
lattice with like the XS or whatever and
on that in this dog was barking at us
like really loud aggressively so we're
looking at this book like what is this
it's like weird paranoia there then we
looking up the dog whoo-hoo-hoo like he
wants to tear us up or like oh man this
is this is weird we didn't know what we
should do all of a sudden that dog jumps
through the lad
and he busts through the fence it busts
like something like Cujo out of a horror
movie or the Sandlot even jumps through
the fence to come to lash at us but he
had a collar on in his collar the the
the chain wasn't long enough to to catch
us fall and so it caught his neck and so
this dog is like choking and and while
we're holding a satanic book and we're
like little kids what what's going on
and the dog like dies and we just throw
the book down and we run off and I I'm
looking back at that and I remembered
the movie the gate the gate was one of
the first scary movies that kind of
opened me up and there was a scene in
there where they kind of did a ritual
that summoned these demons and opened
these portals unknowingly like they did
a levitation spell and did a bunch of
like a blood sacrifice like dude cut his
hand and touch something and they did a
levitation thing at a party and they
read this book and it was like it had
the tutorial to how to summon these
ancient demons and so I look back at
like that experience that I had and it's
like it was almost like this sacrifice
that happened while we're holding this
book about ritual and sacrifice and I
look back on as I man this stuff is
crazy putting two and two together and
like part of me it's just the wonders of
the mind like I don't let us airily
believe it it's like was that a
sacrifice that that we took part in
somehow of some entities trying to come
through we had this book like it's
really crazy man what would you have any
thoughts on that well you know the funny
thing is is that you know of course I
look into some of the dark stuff as it's
clear of it as I can because not because
I'm necessarily terrified of it or
anything but I just think you know you
got to be careful whenever you're
messing with the spirit world because we
don't really understand it real well so
I try to be respectful mm-hmm in all of
my approaches but I have learned that or
at least it's claimed that in satanic
circles one of the one of the things
that they they allegedly do especially
around ritual sites is leave objects
that are quote-unquote cursed first knot
or bound and they try to get people to
find them you know of course there'll be
items of some value it could be a nice
knife out in you know in the wilderness
near an area where they practice or
whatever somebody comes along picks it
up and next thing you know you get an
attachment of some kind
I think that's there's definitely low
vibrational energies there's definitely
evil I don't know if I subscribe to the
idea that there's this omniscient
presence of evil I just think that
there's definitely darkness and that can
be manifest in many different ways but
yeah I think I think what you're
describing yeah it sounds exactly like
what happened I mean that you're saying
that it could be the function of a young
mine but there's their circumstances and
then there's circumstantial you know I
mean that's that's definitely into the
really creepy area of circumstance to me
yeah it's it's interesting just to look
at like how my life played out and got
into these things and I mean it uh you
know what you know I'm saying what you
focus on becomes your reality you know
ya talking about manifestation like you
begin to believe it you see it like like
I said I mean I have so many encounters
at this point and and I trace them all
back to this one you know the the
encounter when I was four Connor when I
was eight you know and you look at these
different things counter when I was 13
you know I talked about on your show
having literally an entity appear knock
us to the ground
you know these like what that did for me
change my life forever
having UFO and alien encounters and
feeling like I facilitated it changed my
life forever
you know what I'm saying all of these
things and so you start looking for it
and there's like repeatability and I
think that's the what about that
repeatability seances like we're going
to contact the dead we're going to
summon UFOs which is a big one that I
got into like like when it comes to the
paranormal spirits and repeatability do
we need to be careful that's you don't
contact them you let them contact you
you know I've had people listeners who
who
who loved the show and love my work and
they're like you know they they contact
me grieving they lost a child and they
want to talk to him they want to tell
him they love him they they want to
conjure him up and I'm like I don't I
don't know if he should like I wanna I
wanna I want to encourage exploration
but I don't know if he should you know
so I people like you talking to the dead
ghosts or demons and all this kind of
stuff aside we're not supposed to
conjure the dead there's a difference
when the dead contacts you though
yeah repeatability conjuring the dead
seances what do you stand in all that
again we got to be careful but we don't
want a stifle exploration that's what I
say
well I think that's you know so let's
just take for instance the Ouija board
yeah a Ouija board you get it and people
are afraid of that intrinsically they
just think because it is labeled a Ouija
board that that must be mean that it's
you know evil and I I would maintain
that look a Ouija board right out of the
box is about as dangerous as a Homer
Simpson placemat for your cereal bowl
it's just a design printed on on a piece
of material now the there is there is I
believe proper ways to do those things
and then there's improper ways to do
them Ouija boards are on the Box
recommended for eight eight not ages
eight now sanity yeah you know you don't
want your you go to your room Becky and
you you contact grandma and tell her
what you did you know I think that's
wrong you kids should not be messing
with spirituality or summoning spirits
at all but the problem with any kind of
esoteric practice like a Ouija board is
that especially a Ouija board is that
you're creating a blind channel you know
you don't know what you're talking to
you'd have no idea you put your hands on
the planchette 99% of the time nothing's
probably gonna happen 1% of the time you
might took make make contact with
something and that something may pretend
to be what you want it to be what you
need it to be but you don't know what
you're talking to now here's the problem
with a Ouija board if indeed something
does come through you've created a blind
channel you're saying
you're basically saying use me to move
this plant shut around I don't think the
planchette moves by itself but I think
it's some kind of you know energetic or
or subconscious principle that the
spirits can activate in us either
they're they're utilizing our energy to
do it or they're usually utilizing our
body to do it I think that's truly truly
real experience is you know indeed a
contact get your blood channeling and
most people don't know how to open a
session properly or close it and I am I
I maintain you should never open a
portal you don't know how to close and
so most people think look you drag the
plastic over goodbye and you're done
you're not done you you have created an
energetic attachment and connection a
door to the paranormal amen brother so I
think that if you don't know how to
close it don't open it and there are
proper ways to set a situation up where
you could probably use it without any
kind of problem and that includes
cleansing your environment prayers of
ritualistic objects like whether it's
crosses crucifixes or whatever but gonna
set your stage you've got to set up
barriers and keep negative things out
and then if you want to reach out and
try that you can you know I've I lost my
dad a couple years ago and and that was
you know it's hard because he and I had
a good life together and a bad life
together I mean we had rocky roads and
it was tough because you know upon his
passing I never really closed that
chapter and I had this this feeling like
I never got to say that you know I'm
sorry for you know when I was a dick and
being a problem and of course he never
had as well however about six months
after he passed they I believe very very
strongly that he came to me in the dream
and I was asleep and and all of a sudden
boom I was in their house I was in my
mom and dad's house and it was as real
as me sitting here with you it was
incredibly lucid and powerful everything
was absolutely real and I walked out of
my kitchen and into the the living room
and there was standing my dad it was
like dad where you been and and he put
his arms out like you wanted ogni now
this is
man throughout the course of his life
had been very stoic and didn't really do
a lot of that and here he was wanting to
embrace me and it was just this
beautiful moment and and we talked but
it was almost like I would talk and and
whatever he was saying came it didn't
come from his mouth it just came into my
head and and you know I of course
apologized for not being the best son
that I could have and I I was so sorry
if I ever hurt him and then and he gave
me the same thing back and it was this
incredibly healing cathartic moments of
of having that closure and having that
experience now was it real I really
believe it was maybe that's because I
need to believe it was but I really
believe it was real because it was as
vivid as what I'm doing right here right
now and even more so in many cases and
after that I have this incredible
feeling of healing now when I think of
my dad in my relationship with him yeah
instead of that scar and that pain and
that sore that I was carrying for all
these years so you know I think that
they will come to you like you're saying
wait till they come to you and then a
lot of times for most of us it'll be
through dreams because we're not psychic
I mean everybody's psychic but a lot of
us don't know how to tune into that and
our day-to-day lies because our lives
are loud and busy and fast and stuff so
pay attention when you're dreaming maybe
maybe go to sleep and send out the
message boy I'd sure like to have a
chance to talk to you and and hold you
one more time whatever and maybe it'll
happen yeah it's interesting man it's
something I mean that that is the
religious experience like that is it's
the closure it's the it's it's the
reassurance that hey everything's okay
with me and my dad now you know if it
really happened you know if it whatever
caused it to happen if it was an
apparition that you created it you
wanted it so bad that boom he's here Wow
you know whatever it you know getting to
the bottom of it it's very interesting
and enough heard and seen a lot of
things like that like a lot if you're
looking for it it shows up and you know
my wife she sees hummingbirds a lot and
on bumper stickers and it reminds her of
her
her mama who was very close to her and
she just loved hummingbirds and had all
that kind of stuff and uh you know and
he says when she sees it there's a
reassurance there's a there smells that
kind of bring you back and remind you of
certain people and you know songs or
whatever and they're there I think they
live on even through that stuff you know
like the nostalgia or just just you know
living on through a picture or you know
all of that stuff conic becomes a portal
whatever it is to remind us that they're
there if they want to be you know
reminded and or not remind reminder but
remember it even right right he's
talking about like that the portals and
the Ouija board and opening up doors and
trying to contact you know the other
side and stuff when I was a teenager
again used to tell my teenagers
shouldn't really get into this stuff or
kids but that's that's when we look into
it some people is like yes I became 35
and I just got into this like most of us
is like this lifelong infatuation right
that kind of dictates dictates the
course of our life you know we're doing
this these podcasts and these interviews
and stuff but when I was really big into
it
the to the occult and and the dark side
of the occult and opening up my mind to
portals with entities and just basically
my life became a Ouija board my body
became a Ouija board of doing these
spells and incantations and chants and
things like that to to see whatever
would come through there was a practice
that I did I don't do this much now
because of what what I what it used to
be and I know that all things can be
renewed and used for good or evil um I
do believe that the Bible is Pro
divination that there's divination
practices that were used in the Bible of
casting of lots of Claire oh man see and
the rolling of dice and this is the will
of God or the Holy Spirit is speaking
through these dice and it there's a
cover it in my book and it's very
controversial because you don't really
hear anybody talking about this but I
think it was a practice that was
promoted when we hear that term now most
people up divination is satanic don't do
it but um
it's called a you know the the practice
of dowsing even and people asking
questions are looking for the water in
it the sticks moving there's people who
use dowsing rods on on YouTube and
Facebook and they go live and they just
let people ask questions they'll hold
these two rods in their hand and if they
you know if it's a yes or no the rods
will come together if it's a yes if it's
no it'll go away and people are just
sitting there asking so again you're
talking about the energy is that the
spirit is a spirit coming through moving
with you know using your energy their
energy whatever it is to move it or are
you using it to move it and I and I say
that because the practice that I used to
do I used to use a pendulum what I had a
pendulum but it was really my necklaces
my necklace I had a they say you
something close to you but I had a
necklace that I would always had and
have my energy and I had a bunch of
different little trinkets on it and
stuff but I would hold it and impart it
and I would do this at parties and show
people and stuff but the biggest part of
it was like me like wanting to know for
myself is am I in contact with something
but I would hold it up and a lot of
people do this kind of stuff I don't
really mess with it too much anymore
but I'll hold it up and I would ask yes
or no questions and I wouldn't try to be
as still as I could and I would say is
there a spirit in the house and it would
just and it would blow my mind and then
I would ask a different question and it
would stop on a dime and I had a whole
different question and then it would
change I would say no it was all going
back and forth I got to this point where
I would uh put on this song by Marilyn
Manson it was his intro to the portrait
of the American family album and I would
put it on and I would say can you make
this go in a circle can you make it
swing in the intro to it as a is
actually his version of the the rowboat
song from Willy walk in a chocolate
factory there's no earthly way of
knowing which direction we are rowing
there's no knowing where we're go but
Madsen did it and the music starts off
real light and it builds up and it gets
a
gressive and crazy and crazy and I would
say is if there's a spirit here can you
make this go in a circle and this thing
will go I'm just sitting what what
what's going on but then now we're
looking at this with the rational mind I
got into demonic possession it got
really bad for me I needed help that's
why I got into the church ran to Jesus
but now I'm thinking about it did I
already know the answers to the question
when I said that yes or no question did
I use a form of telekinesis to make it
say yes or no I wanted it to go sideways
I'm imagining it go sideways gonna
circle going to circle bigger bigger
bigger like did I do it and I was
attributing it to a spirit those are
some of the questions and that's what
we're talking about with the Ouija board
and our will and our intention and our
emotion if it's connected but that
throws a wrench into it to say you know
what's really happening we find what
we're looking for I was looking for this
to spin around and I but I was looking
for a spirit to do it what do you think
well I think that we are spirit right so
um we often surrender our own power and
in in lieu of something else to have
power but I think that's you know I
think I think that we are in all things
like like I think that we truly manifest
our reality and we manifest whatever we
believe so part of you you see there's a
thing called muscle testing Emma I went
to school for a massage therapy years
ago and and it was a really cool really
medicalised version that is today but we
did a lot of Eastern philosophy studying
and learning about polarity therapy and
meridians and chakras and all of that
and there's something called muscle
testing which is very similar to whether
you use a pendulum or you use the
dowsing rods or whatever divination you
use that has to do with you being in
contact with something but muscle
testing is just like you generally would
do it for someone else and it's
basically uh you know you could like
even test your own arm like you can hold
it up and then you know is it okay to
muscle test yes turn oh and if it's
solid that's a yes if it's weak or that
and then you can ask yourself questions
like and what it is it's not necessarily
a spirit that you're communicating with
it the idea is that you communicating
with your higher self you're more your
higher vibration of your self and so
that's the way to bypass all of our all
of our prejudices and the world you know
and being being so isolated and in this
experience
we're actually touching a higher part of
ourselves I know a lot of people that
swear by it that they muscle test
themselves all the time because they are
really receiving really good guidance
from their higher self
now when you when you break it down
really uh really esoterically
is there anything that isn't you and
that's where it becomes kind of cool
right yeah so we are all things we are
all interconnected with everything like
I am you you are me I my desk and the
microphone and you can find yourself and
everything through meditation through
you know practice and root searching and
perhaps that's the key to moving objects
and having them move is that you know
you were resonating with a part of
yourself in there and creating that
that's that circuit you know I think all
of that I believe in so many as so many
things I believe that we are we are
literally these amazing incredibly
potent and powerful beings that have
become conditioned to believe that we're
not you know what's up yeah yeah we were
were you know anytime anything like that
happens we're just remembering who we
are or who we were at some point you
know it's still in our DNA the sickness
and all that stuff just kind of and
there's things that happen or movies we
watched that you know reactivate that or
we remember it's in our DNA Wow and I'm
gonna you know everything's linked
together and just following the
breadcrumbs with with the divination and
with all of that stuff I believe that
what makes something good or evil
positive or negative is the intention
like it's charged by the intention so
for me like you know my intention when I
was a kid was to make a cut to have a
spirit come through and let him do it
versus using that for the Holy Spirit
you know and maybe or something that can
use now I have a pack of tarot cards
that are called the Tarot of the Most
High and I've used this in some psychic
readings and stuff and had my mind blown
of how everything just kind of laid out
for the person that I was talking to and
they didn't even know I was doing it it
was just something personal like I'm
trying to use this spiritual technology
that's given to us and we're linked into
it and there's a connection there right
so the intention of what you're using it
for makes it good or evil like prayer
it's where good or evil prayer is is is
you know it's it's not biased you can
use it to pray to Satan you can pray to
demonic entities you can pray to aliens
you know you can pray to God you can
pray to Jesus you can pray the Holy
Spirit pray to Allah whatever you want
you use that vehicle of Prayer and your
intention and how you're using it makes
it good or evil right the same thing
with meditation fall it's not good or
evil it's it's just a matter of who
you're calling right yeah yeah yeah and
it again the Bible says forgive them for
they know not what they do
it's like you know there's this place of
innocence and childlike faith but we we
learn from that stuff and uh in the
scripture also says that to the pure all
things are pure but for that to be true
then the opposite has to be true as well
to the unpin pure all things are impure
so we talk about the stuff and it's
strict straight demonic everything's
demonic like demonic gets a lot it devil
gets a bad rap you know and I talk about
the devil a lot or the you know the
negative side of reality and if for
there to be a positive there has to be a
negative for there to be a light there
has to be a dark it doesn't mean that
it's evil you know the devil is is you
know evil but to see how how all of
these things kind of work together for
our good and you know just the contrast
and the polarities that exist and you
use it to your own detriment if you
don't know yeah well I mean that's it we
manifest our reality whether we're
and we manifest it through our beliefs
and so if you have a belief things are
going your crappy and and things are
going to hell then they are for you they
are however your neighbor can believe
that everything is wonderful and it will
be for them and you're living in the
same community so that you know you're
just seeing a different world based upon
your your folk focus on that to your
haunt that is what your manifesting so I
agree I think there aren't a lot of
negative and low-level beings out there
that will take advantage of our
inability to master our own expression
in this world and/or our unknowing I
guess our ignorance of it but but I
think that that's that's kind of where
this all goes now the paranormal portal
I don't focus a whole Lots on esoteric
development but I'm very very much
attuned to it and working on it and it's
researching it but it's just never been
part of my scope just because you know I
I guess I haven't taken that journey I
do drop my own all of the time and I
obviously I have quit a few of them and
I don't know if I'm right or wrong on
any of them but I know that they are
what makes sense to me mm-hmm
and I'm with you and just being open to
look to look into it yeah and to ask the
other questions and not being so sold
that this is the the way you know that
this is the only truth and people say
well true seekers preaching that every
religion points to God his guest said it
earlier he didn't correct them you know
and all this kind of stuff is like hold
on I can't really give you an educated
answer give you an opinion but the fact
of the matter is I haven't practiced
every religion I don't know where the
leader end though I know that I did this
this this and this and I and I have an
educated opinion to give you on that the
rest of the stuff is just theory and
what I heard or what I saw what my
pastor said or whatever the case is but
to really be open and honest to look
into all of this stuff and and
consciousness is key is and perception
is reality you know the way we look at
stuff and what we've been told in our by
or whatever the case is it changes
everything and it's changing daily you
know it should be anyway there's some
people stuck in their way is that this
is you know black people are this and
white you know Christians are this of
pastors that let's just to be open you
know again we talked about for went live
let people even you having me on at
first started was gonna be some
religious like rebuking all of the
paranormal and watch out for the demons
and you know and all of these kinds of
things and to go back to the the devil
thing there was a point I was trying to
make but uh Padawan says in chat he said
the devil is evil Christ didn't lie
about that but to finish my point of
what I was saying is that I think the
devil gets a bad rap because you guys
are giving the devil credit for
something that he didn't do like you're
dealing with your karma you're dealing
with things that you've created things
that you've manifested into your reality
because of your actions
that's on you it's not running the devil
he ain't even now believe it's the devil
in these negative forces that come and
deliver your karma like the spiritual
entities that kind of okay let's go here
okay the time is changing move it I'll
set this up the robot you know that all
in the sovereignty and sphere of God and
the divine and the song and dance
there's Devils and entities and angels
and imps and beings and all kind of
stuff that kind of play in this
ecosystem but I think that the devil
gets a bad rap for the most part because
you're just dealing with your own karma
and blaming the devil change your
actions change the way that you're
responding to people so change the the
way that you're looking at things again
this is people the cup is half empty or
half full
like what is it to you I'm thankful that
there's even that there's a cup of this
water in it you know some people just
squander the way they don't care their
mind their man talent squandering away
talent I know people that would love to
like be able to play guitar to be able
to sing to be able to rap but then I
know other people who have those amazing
talents and abilities that ain't just
they piss them away they they put it
down never to return to it because of
offense because of something that
happened or because of drug use and
things like man there's people who would
kill for just just a portion of what you
have you know and it's just like this
this spectrum of being thankful and
grateful for what you have and gratitude
kind of coming along coming along with
that that is the fuel for the faith and
for the spirituality and for all of this
stuff is too you know if it's if this
spirituality and paranormal is not
practical at the end of the day and we
can't if it's not gonna just like if it
can't help you then we're just kind of
it's like pipe dreams and theories and
things like that but I think that it
does play into our day and that our
day-to-day reality of faith and inner
knowing and an awe and wonder at the
very least yeah I mean I I do think I do
think that and I'll go on record saying
that I believe that all all the
religions that's try to teach goodness
and and a path to the divine do I don't
know if there's one faster than the
other I don't know about that but I I
think that people use the devil as an
out it's like well I didn't do it the
devil did it I don't have to be I don't
have to own that it was I am in on the
rain yeah exactly and it's like yeah and
I think you're absolutely right I think
that you have to create at the very
least you have to create circumstances
that the devil can can do it to you
because I don't think that if you're if
you're living in your in your virtue and
in your morality and in you know in a
good path in your life and if you're
making the best decisions that that
suddenly something can come and just
strip that away I don't know that that's
that that's possible maybe it is again
I'm just speculating but I think that to
blame some some universal concept of
evil that is omniscient and nearly as
powerful as the divine to me is is more
of an affront you know I just don't
think that that exists in that well
there's some rules and stipulations yeah
I'll tell you what they say in the
church they say that the devil doesn't
know what you're thinking but he only
knows what you say and what you do and
then they say about this devil that he
can only be he's not like God he's not
omnipresent he can only be at one place
at one time
mm-hmm so he's everywhere some people I
noticed some of these weird rules and
stipulations and so they say Wes why you
pray in town
because he can't understand tongues hmm
heard all these weird things about how
to like get over on the devil and trick
governments it comes to collect though
man you know like you know but when it
comes we are talking about manifestation
we're talking about positivity and
creating that kind of stuff and it's big
for me and it's big for all of us if we
know it we're already master manifester
and we don't even know it like our life
and and most people are just by default
they're in bad situations and bad they
don't know how to get out of it they've
they've played a part in it there's a
victim mentality that comes on but
they've played a part in that when you
understand that you can play a part in
getting yourself out of it too in
creating the life and the job and the
friendships and the community that you
want for yourself by stopping it stop
entertaining BS and negativity and all
of that kind of stuff we play a part in
that so when it comes to music and it
comes to the words that we speak in
things like that it plays a big part
there's a rapper there's all these eerie
stuff so if you looked into this juice
world thing that just happened there's
two interesting things that kind of come
come to mind when thinking about that so
they say he just died of a seizure
he's a big rapper and he died of a
seizure on an airplane and so looking
back over some of his songs were real
really interesting about deaths about
dying but dying of a drug overdose comes
out come to find out that it wasn't a
seizure that he died of an OD on an
airplane maybe he ate a bunch of pills
and rather take that way out versus
going to prison forever I think he had
400 pounds of marijuana on an airplane
that was getting seized and he they say
he killed himself
I don't know but listening to his lyrics
there's there's videos of him music
videos or going to his own funeral like
all of his friends remembering him at a
funeral and then the next morning he's
there by itself like his ghost is still
there
lyrics talking about you know these
drugs got me feeling weird I think I'm
about to die today is my last day I only
live to get high like all
these cryptic things about dyin Tupac
was known for you know faking his own
death just so the whole Makaveli thing
is was interesting but talking about
death I'm gonna be I'm gonna die in in
this crazy fashion and well I'm getting
close today I'm not gonna live to see
tomorrow like putting all this stuff
within their music and lyrics and
they're repeating it and they're kind of
creating it as they write it creating it
as they speak it again the going back to
this recent one juice world what saying
that he died of a seizure he whose body
was convulsing right taking all these
pills there was a challenge that just
came out on tick tock is the the kids
app you know and the challenge is called
the the juice world challenge or the
stuttering challenge and so they're
playing some of his music and then it
starts skipping skipping little and so
it's the seizure challenge and you drink
you have water in your mouth or milk and
you're just going about your whatever
you're doing and then the part in the
song plays in the app where it skips and
the person goes into a seizure and they
just are spitting water and milk
everywhere I don't know why but it's it
was a fad in the last 2 or 3 weeks with
tick tock the app and then it comes out
that he just and it was his song that he
died of a seizure now there's this big
back catalog of people almost like
mimicking his death in a sense of
creating this into the ethers and man
what do you you know and and that's why
I'm so vigilant and vocal about pushing
positivity and angelic contact and
beauty creating your best life walking
in awe and wonder and love for all
beings like I'm vocal about that for a
reason it's intentional like what have
you heard of any stories I mean there's
so many with especially in the music
industry of putting out these cryptic
messages and then it happens you know
yeah I mean I really believe that you
know we we are individual manifest errs
and creating our life on a very
fundamental level but I think that with
other people combining energy I mean
basically you know the spellwork of the
the ancient magicians and the current
magicians anybody that's practices you
know the occult practice of magic
whatever form that is magic is just a
fancy way of saying aimed intention you
know there's ritual involved with it but
ritual is largely symbolic meant to
focus the will towards a means so I mean
the idea of of spell casting is is more
more broad than most people think I mean
you don't need to draw these arcane
symbols and do these weird gestures and
save these one words I mean we all cast
spells I mean that's that's our
manifestation we're manifesting we call
it manifesting the old people the old
times they call it spell work or magic
but I think that once people you know
focus a will on something sure they
could manifest it you know I've heard of
people changing the course of hurricanes
the last hurricane that were coming out
people were you know gathering their
will and doing these whole whole groups
of people talking about push it back up
to see push it back up to see so it
doesn't come inland and sure enough it
would you know kind of go up the coast
off shore and you know are largely off
shore and I think that was just this
last hurricane season that happened and
I heard all these people working on
combining their will to keep it out to
see how people get hurt I think that we
have that ability I think we really do I
think that the world is you know just a
canvas we can paint on it and we don't
have to stay in the lines you know we
can paint whatever you want I think
that's what our podcasts and stuff does
sure you can color outside the lines and
yeah it's beautiful you know and it's
it's it's different and it has a little
bit of character to it but yeah I've
seen that too we've I mean I've done a
little bit even my own experiments you
know of trying to cloudburst if you were
pointing at the clouds and telling it to
you know what really gave some validity
for me is when I was working and I
believed in the prophetic and I believed
in but it was early on I was working out
in a hot in the hot fields and we were
we'd eaten and I'm just I'm barely
hanging on I get so hot and I got to get
out there and I have to work and I'm
weeding and I'm
working with all these inmates and
prisoners and we're cutting grass and
I'm like trying to conjure it up terrain
and I'm speaking to it I'm asking God
I'm like calling it in and like the
couple times that I did it it worked
like I brought the rain clouds over and
it rained all right everybody we're done
for the day but the tools and let's go
home
it was like something that I wanted
enough that I felt like was it
coincidence or was it gonna rain anyway
and I just had to kind of the right
timing who knows that there was other
times where like I remember working for
the delivery company and it was storming
and I would get to a customer and I
would pray and I would speak to the
clouds and command command the clouds to
like quit raining just above my truck so
that I'm not gonna be drenched you know
in with was rain and I have a long day
ahead of me and I'll be soaking wet and
I remember getting the places and just
enough time for me to get in and out it
almost seemed like the clouds opened up
around my vehicle but again with that
there's times that we've done it and
nothing happens it would doesn't stop
raining
it ruins the event that you're trying to
plan for the rain and we've all been out
there speaking to the rain and acting
crazy I command this rain I've been mad
there were a bunch of Christians and
even that lady cat Kerr I don't know she
has a video of her she's a preacher
crazy preacher lady but she's out there
with a staff talking to the hurricane at
the beach the last one that came and it
was like people were commenting on the
crazy charismatic sand you guys truly
believe that you can stop the the rains
and stuff like that but I mean looking
at the Bible Jesus did it and they said
who is this person you know who has the
power
they even the winds and waves obeyed him
that he was able to go out there he
understood his connection with nature
and his power and authority as a son of
God over the elements and he did it and
said look you know Hebrew buked his uh
disciples because they didn't do it
now I do believe that even though
there's just a physical realm I
definitely believe that that's more so
spiritual the winds and waves in our own
life and the mountains and the giants
that we face like the allegory to us
right here's a hey why you
why are you looking outside of yourself
up giving you everything you come wake
me up I'm sleeping at the bottom of the
ship you know and but physical sounds
fun too but then we don't we don't see
it as much though you know what is the
physical though I mean the physical is
just basically a vibration of energy
that happens to be tangible to our
senses so which which is which is more
possible well they're both possible
spiritual and physical I think that I
think we can we can fundamentally alter
in and change the the energy that's
manifesting around us in the form of
physicality now I think that it's not
just so easy as making up your mind
you're gonna do it and it just happens I
think that there are you know the you
have to be able to channel a hell of a
lot of energy in order to change a
physicality like that but I think it is
possible I think we've all had those
moments where we're just like I'm trying
to hang up this hang up this tarp and
the damn wind won't stop god it needs to
stop now boom it stops you hang up the
tarp and that's done boom wind starts
again we've all experienced that I think
everybody has even though even skeptical
people I think I've probably had
something like that happened and when
like we'll tell was that but you know
I've had more of those kind of things
than you know I can even remember where
something about what I needed to have
happen suddenly happened was it me or
was it was it some buddy looking over my
shoulder going okay that's what can
happen I think that it's it's us whether
we know it or not that we you know again
we get back to the interconnectedness of
us with the universe of all things we
are in all things as we are you know by
our birthright of being manifest being a
manifested form of divinity that the
spark of our life that created the fire
that we are came from the heart of God
so what could we be capable of I mean
there is no limits
yeah I think we are little creators you
know there was a time in in the church
were like the the word of faith movement
and the charismatic movement were using
some of this language that has been used
in a new-age circles for a long time the
little creators the you know the law of
attraction the secret even was being
taught in church circles but we didn't
know where it came from
but it was all taught in these New Age
movements as well but the fact that we
are made in the image and likeness of a
creator but it's like how much power do
we have like like can we create what can
we create matter like can we create a
tree can we create a seed or can we
create situations and circumstance like
like we create paintings you know III
don't know where the you know the form
of being a little God is definitely over
our own universe in our own reality but
as far as manifestation and how long it
takes to create something those are the
mysteries there's there's a theory and
things saying that some of the Buddhist
monks have gotten to the point where
they can make flowers and things
manifest on cue they've been able to
pull stuff out of the the dream state
again like a shaman would be able to do
but I'm talking about even instantly
like making these things up here just
because they willed them to they kind of
willed it to happen right yeah I think
it's all possible I mean Jesus of course
is regarded as the the Lamb the son of
God but his disciples were just people
and if his disciples were capable of the
great works as well I mean anybody that
is so inclined I believe can as well
because I don't think Jesus
fundamentally changed the genetic makeup
of its disciples I think that they just
decided to open themselves up to that
light and manifest it
so I think we're all capable yep that
the level of possibility and I think it
ties back into everything we've been
saying as far as like when you believe
it your receiver they believed that
they'd seen it happen yeah this is like
look um I'm no different than you you
know I'm chosen at the likeness of
angels I came as a regular man for a
reason because you wouldn't have
believed me you would have formulated a
new religion right but I came as one of
you to show you guys that greater things
that you guys are able to do as well if
you want to and and testimony enough
seeing us again going back to the
repeatability if Jesus did it I can do
it well his disciples did it I can do it
if my uncle did it I can do it or
whatever
showing us that God is not a respecter
of persons what is happening for one
person it's good for the rest of us we
all can do it and that's the beauty of
it in a sparking again that all and
wonder of belief the levels of
consciousness you know in making this
world a better place where the use of
the paranormal and spirituality brenton
thank you for coming on the podcast man
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I didn't have room for the a good but
yeah thanks man I really appreciate
being on it's always a pleasure brother
I'm just really thrilled to have gotten
to know you and the friendship and the
future projects we're gonna do together
yeah yeah thank you for all the I've
been been picking your brain about
podcasting and how to make it better and
what programs and apps to use and
numbers and just how the intricacy of it
is so thank you for taking the time with
Ron you know as a lot of people dude
bothered me you know what I'm saying and
I've sent those emails out to some of
those people who don't respond and you
you had me on as a guest so thank you
for that question
um how many nights a week do you go
laughs every night 7 yeah 7 5 3 3
podcasts on top of that so 10 shows a
week Wow 7:00 p.m. and err time on
YouTube you can catch live shows but
otherwise there of course they're
available if you just want to catch it
when you can umm how often do you have
guests on your show you know I
always I sometimes it just depends I
mean I don't have a guest based show but
at the same time
I love having guests on so if somebody
pops up that I think it'd be fun to
bring on I do but I never wanted the
show to be dependent upon that I just
wanted it to be a discussion about the
paranormal so yeah as we do sometimes we
don't it's kind of any could be either
well the interesting thing is well you
got the chat going and you have the the
phone lines open as well so you
essentially have new guests every every
time it's again that's the fun part you
the opening the chat up for the the
podcasts up for the callers in the
community again that I just did it like
last week and I learned so much stuff
from the chat like I read their messages
but it goes so fast sometimes but then
being able to call in and articulate
some of these ideas that like I said for
me it breathes a lot more than um saying
life into the podcast and kind of
because sometimes the monotony another
podcast and for me it's like another
psychic and another psychic another
another pastor another this another
alien you know and so just to stay
hungry and stay intrigued and keeping
the mind going and remember why you got
in into this stuff you know can be
tricky sometimes you can but it's been
that you know I I thought I knew a lot
when I started the much since just from
what all everybody brings to the table
that it's just just been an incredible
journey and I'm always excited for
what's coming next your stuff well guys
make sure you go check out this podcast
everything that he's bringing to the
table I'm sure we'll do more stuff
together I'm open to to do this whenever
man and I thank you for opening up your
platform to me as well and I think so
much brother would do it again very soon
thank you hi everybody take care my
brother god bless Bubba Brent Thomas
paranormal portal portal to the
paranormal hearin voices speaking to me
when spirit touches immortal good stuff
man
we did a really good show some guys like
he had me on
he's got a pretty pretty pretty big and
eclectic follow when he had me on to
talk about the book right after it came
out and we had a good conversation email
people all the time some and a lot of
times I don't hear back from anybody
trying to network and kind of get the
word out there about what I do everybody
hits me you should go and so in social
you should go and so so I email these
people man
they don't always email me back but
Brent did and I went on this show we had
a beautiful episode and became friends
after that so make sure y'all check out
what he has going on but again like
going back to the intention and the
words that we speak there's power in
your words what I saying that uh this
power and you versus the power in my
versus reverses power in these verses
reverses demonic curses teaches the
Pythagorus yeah there's a lot I mean
there's a lot of my lyrics that go back
to the power of words creating your
reality let's just listening to a
podcast like this again going back to
like I've talked about scary movies and
UFO and alien movies and stuff like that
it burps something within you I mean in
the Christian realm there say don't
watch scary movies because you open up a
door and that could be true as well like
you maybe open yourself up to an
encounter or an experience or a spirit
there's a lot of fear when it comes to
that phone lines are still open we got a
few minutes left if you want to come
through two five one two six three zero
zero zero one let me know if you want to
talk if you have something to add to the
episode the paranormal and if you guys
even like the topics you know there's a
lot there's a lot to be said with
spirituality and the paranormal for me
they go hand in hand it's just their
names and terms but I you know my book
everything we talked about in the music
so someone called it fantasy hip-hop one
time you're like I like your music man's
fantasy rap and I kind of got offended
at first I was like well it does
borderline fantasy right and you will to
believe it
what was that quote somebody quoted
see I'm gonna Google this I don't even
know if I'll find it though but there
was a quote that someone said about the
borderline I don't even know
schizophrenia quotes misdiagnosed Wow
very interesting very interesting
spirituality in the paranormal I think
all this stuff goes together I really do
shout out to everybody holding us down
in the chat Angela Thompson shout out to
you Eddie sauce
aka home sauce Chris bars Kristi Johnson
Derrell e der le I know I don't even
know if I'm saying your name right we
shout out to you Adam Starseed BAE
name some of these people here so many
people gothic mystic Padawan Chris
garner shelley
in luminous till emperor empress so many
people here i there's no way I could say
all these names thank you guys for
hanging out again let's see Chris
Gardner says I gotta have Donald
Marshall on are you being silly or being
for real I don't know if you looked into
him after that I think you already was
looking into that guy but yeah a lot of
people have been telling me I need to
look into some of that
yeah we're booked up like this is
definitely a a guest oriented show man
I'm booked up until like almost to
February I'm going into February with
guest booked up weeks in advance good
stuff
what's up J how are you shelli's has
enjoyed the stream have a great day true
seeker for sure for sure
yeah that's pretty much it I've tried to
hook these phone lines up I don't know
if they were working or not somebody
called in at first but then it was
giving me all of these errors of this
countdown it's kind of weird I think
it's still working though
so yeah juice world just death have
y'all seen seen that or no see if I can
uh I'm gonna this is gonna suck for
people well I'm not gonna play it I'll
get pulled just because of the song but
the the challenge man there's a very
strange of these kind of trends that
kind of get popular for the kids they
doing a dance and automatically like
having a seizure and like making it
making fun of it I think you can will
this stuff up I got think that's all
what we've been talking about today but
I think that's what we always discuss on
the podcasting and the music and the
work and the book like all this
substance in together manifestation and
I'm open and honest about how I
manifested it the power in your words
again wanna what an old friend of mine
you had just stinger he was like uh he
hit me up and he was like cuz he's seen
that we were number one on iTunes
whenever we uh the podcast hit number
one for a couple weeks in a row it's the
top spiritual podcast on iTunes and he
hit me up and he was like now I told him
like this is what I'm doing I'm gonna
create this I'm gonna stay consistent
you know this is what I'm doing we were
friends but then he kind of uh you know
took a different stance about what I do
and who he is and all that kind of stuff
and he overnight became an enemy I'm not
gonna say any names but he hit me up and
he was like I see what you did there man
with your witchcraft
you used witchcraft and you became
number one congratulations but you were
right
you witchcraft really did work it's like
are you talking about
this life is magical life and death is
in the power of the tongue like yeah
they get again I'm not talking about
this couple times were talking about the
white witch white magic like using
spirituality using magic for good to
help people like you're a master
manifester and you don't even know it
just because everything's like not going
your way
just because nothing cool is happening
you manifested it once you understand
that that you can work with God then you
can work with the universe to manifest
things and within your life you're not a
victim anymore you become a victor
it becomes a lot more inclusive and you
have a big part to play in that role
that song and dance again with with God
and spirituality and in life and uh and
that's that's how it was created life
and death is in the power of the tongue
speak life that you may live seek life
100 days at a time says aren't we tired
of these young rappers dying either from
drugs or getting shot if they don't end
up in prison from shooting somebody it's
so sad it's so like I posted that I
posted a video of juice world and like
in his lyrics and and these people are
crying out for help man the kids are
crying out for help but people ain't
listening I don't know why you know
they're crying and I mean the I mean
there's this the lyrics to talk about
like I'm searching for purpose I'm gonna
be on these drugs until I die these
drugs are gonna be the death of me all I
do is eat Molotov a cup and literally
like talking about they know they're
gonna die from this stuff let me read
some of these lyrics because I posted
some of them this was the one of the
creepy ones that that he said this guy
who just died from an OD he says these
drugs got me sweating
but the room getting colder looking at
the devil and the angel on my shoulder
well I die tonight I don't know is it
over
the answer is yes yes you died you well
there was a suicide because he didn't
want to go to jail some people are
saying there's a weird a weird
relationship people have what suicide
now ma'am it's becoming popular a friend
of mine on on Facebook it was like
encouraging it and I hey it's a way out
like some people just choose to go early
man get over it you know I don't think
it's a way out I don't I don't I don't
think that again I think reincarnation
can be dangerous because a lot of these
people who believe who look at suicide
as a way out they believe that they get
another shot they get to come back and
do it again I've had friends threatened
with suicide I'm gonna kill myself I'm
just gonna get up and look at it like a
reset but reset button they just get to
do it over I messed this one up sorry
and try it again come back as a
different person I don't think it works
like that guys I think it's very
dangerous that's why I don't like I mean
we talked about it the idea of coming
back and there's some scriptures that
are kind of vague and talked about the
spirits or essence of a being coming
back to do it again but uh you know we
got Olivia you got you got you don't
saying live like this the only shot you
got do it now get it right now okay your
conscious and aware that you messed up
good now you could be conscious and
aware to get it right you can I mean
again most of the lightworkers and
psychics and healers and Christians and
pastors and preachers they're inwardly
working off their debt to society there
were terrible human beings it caused a
lot of harm for a lot of people and now
they
and they're trying to offset the damage
that they've caused whether they're
aware of it or not a lot of them are
aware of it some of them no no this is
just the path that I chose no it chose
you because you offset the balance to
try to leave this earth a little bit
better off then you found it right when
it beats wouldn't it suck if you came
and you were just a leech a parasite you
want to bless it we want to bring
something to the table we want to help
people want to help whatever it you're
calling in your passion is you want to
help people get to heaven you want to
help people get through their struggles
you want to help the animals who are
dying off like you know you want to save
the environment whatever it is like you
were a leech your existence was just
sucking the life out of things you
didn't attribute anything that would
suck to be your existence but to come
and bless this place man and and leave
it a little bit better and uh whether if
you feel like you have a debt to society
or you're just by default I think all
these things work together for your good
Angela says suicide is not the answer
nope not at all
it can't rain everyday you know there's
there's this hope man and I think that
that's what we with all of this stuff
again the the the afterlife with God
Jesus the afterlife
excuse me Kristi Johnson says true
seeker is it God's will that they kill
themselves free will is so hard to
understand no now I don't think it is I
don't think that uh you know it's
complicated you know what I'm saying
it's complicated because a lot of
Christians and church folks they'll try
to look at suicide or something like
that and they'll say that it's a you're
gonna spend eternity in hell if you if
you take your life it's suicide is a
direct ticket to hell a lot of
Christians believe that under this weird
guys that
you didn't have a chance to ask for
forgiveness but that ties into the weird
theology of you're driving on the
interstate you get in a car crash and
you yell a profanity oh Sh whatever it
is before you hit the tree and you die
and you didn't have a chance to ask for
forgiveness like as a kid I believe that
I don't know why just religion and
Christianity like you have to it was a
part of saying your prayers every night
or I say my prayers every night I ask
for forgiveness
every day that you had to like get it
right every day versus like getting it
right because of what Christ has done he
got it right and he paid for our sins
and our trust is in him that you have to
keep getting it right if that's the case
we're all screwed guys if we have to
keep getting it right and keep messing
up I mean keep stay on the right path
we're screwed because it's it's it's a
faith lest any man should boast it's not
of your own works but your your good
works prove your faith let me show you
my faith by my works don't just say I
care for the hungry I care for the
orphans in in Africa no help them if you
really care for them you help them if
you care for the homeless if you care
for these people you're gonna help them
that's just how it is your your works
prove your faith but you're not
justified by your works if that was the
case then you didn't need Christ but
your works prove what you really believe
in that's where justification by grace
comes in free ticket so to think that
someone just because they commit suicide
they go directly to hell that's that's
crazy that's some weird religious
theology I don't believe it a lot of
people are sick depressed for many
different reasons and they choose that
route I don't think it's a choice I
think that it gets better tomorrow I
think that there's hope man if we you
know act off of impulse if we make a
what does Charlemagne say if we make a
like a permanent decision
based on a temporary feeling when you
know yourself you know how you feeling
today look a lot of people look into
astrology to even look into that look I
ain't gonna I'm have a this ain't gonna
be good to go out in public tomorrow or
what it mean lived it life by that but
to really know thyself know yourself and
you will be known to know who you are
know how you take look as good I got
friends who cannot have a drop of
alcohol the first drop they're ready to
start taking pills the second drop
they're ready to start smoking crack
like where's the self control for
different people but those same friends
have understood themselves after time of
relapse and time of binges and time of
this going crazy
look I can't touch it I can't touch it
I'm sorry come on man you can have one
nope
I had one too many I know myself to know
yourself to know your boundaries as a
person as a child of God to know what
you can and can't do discuss like
there's discussions that I can't have
with certain people
there's friends that I delete off of
social media because I want to be their
friend in real life and I know they like
to argue they want to have the last word
look I can't get into that with you on
social media I can't I want to be your
friend in real life so let's just get
out you don't know how to use social
media or I don't or whatever the case is
Angela says thank you I believe the same
suicide cussing not a straight ticket to
Lucifer let's take it straight to
Lucifer Jeremy says yo what up Jeremy J
ball so it's a little bit you know we've
been told these weird one-liners or
these again putting things in boxes
okay suicide is this direct you weren't
strong enough you took the easy way out
I don't believe it's an option I don't
think that anyone should do it I think
that there's again making permanent
decisions based on temporary feelings or
emotions
to know yourself it was funny when I
released my book the day my book came
out I was so happy I'm still happy like
I can remember I can go back and
remember the day it came out there's
only two months ago but I was doing
interviews you know how does it feel and
I'm like I feel really good right now
this is the huge accomplishment but
tomorrow I now told I told him look
tomorrow the newness is gonna wear off
and it's gonna be an old book you know
it's still a book I created it right so
there's still that joy but like this
whole song and dance of navigating
through life and through situations and
through friendships it's a rollercoaster
ride it's a journey
there's different parts of the journey
sometimes you're you're on the
mountaintop sometimes you're climbing
the mountain
it's hard work I'm looking at looking at
anything this book was a it's hard
process to write like I would spend a
full day writing and get like three
paragraphs filled rain what that's all I
got
I give Hardman but it sits there like
did part of the journey now I get to
climb that mountain of what it is to be
an author and have a book that's helping
people and blessing people and helping
people to explore and ask bigger
questions and and things like that so
anything worse worth doing is doing
right
it's a journey everything that you do
and it's all worth it so and I have to
be vigilant like I have to talk about
this there's people committing suicide
through the drugs again like when I when
I shared that status that's what I said
when I posted the juice world video and
lyrics I said I think he left us a
suicide note like these songs were
almost a suicide note I'm drinking lean
with my white friends I'm smoking with
my black for like all of these cryptic
drug use help me I can't find happiness
I can't find love like it's kind of
letting you know it wasn't a secret he
struggled you know
it's this interesting man I think that
uh there were times where you know that
we are low and we feel like there's no
way yeah we feel maybe you're there now
but there's always hope there's always a
light at the end of the tunnel there's
always a way for you to have forgiveness
of what you've done how do I do that
first of all forgive those who have
wronged you like Jesus said forgive
others and you'll be forgiven are you
gonna hold a offense and you're gonna
blame people and hold them captive but
you want forgiveness come on like
whatever you whatever you're looking
forward to it and so we've been talking
about you're gonna find what you're
looking for you're gonna reap what you
sow
if you want forgiveness sew it into the
world so forgiveness into those who've
wronged you if you want blessing and
prosperity and help sew it into the
world you want a friend be a friend it's
how it works it comes back to you what's
it what Jeremy said here he didn't
believe he could get help yeah I mean
there's so many people man and again I
like I don't like talking about this
stuff I just want to let you know man
that you're not alone I mean that's huge
okay I didn't even know how huge that
was it's almost cliche you're not alone
but uh but I found that just in my inbox
from from listeners who would say look
man like your podcast literally shows me
that I'm not alone your community your
discord it shows me that there's other
people like me that I'm not crazy even
though I'm different
even normal eclectic I'm not crazy
there's a spot for me I'm not just
another face in the crowd
and-and-and there's people who they
choose that and they don't they don't
tell you you know usually the friend
who's calling me telling me or whatever
saying that they're gonna do it they
usually don't it's the person that you
had no idea they just do it and again
the whole I attempted suicide like
you do it you just do it or you don't I
know a guy he attempted it and he's
still here this guy's wife left them and
I was the guy in Louisiana named dog his
wife left him so he takes a I think of a
45 and puts it up to his chin and he
shoots herself in the chin straight up
well he missed his brain and blew off
his nose and messed his nasal cavity up
now he doesn't have a nose and he has to
speak by a voice box and putting his
hand over a hole and mumble and he's
still here you know he tried it thought
he was gonna do it but he's still here
you got a second chance at life and
things get better find somebody else to
love you for who you are you know to
find out to find out that there is a way
out right
who does hit me a rock is that I can't
really see but ask him I live on Twitch
that should be yeah yeah you're
commenting on Twitch that should be live
on Twitch
yeah we're streaming on a lot of
different platforms right now twitch
Facebook D live periscope bunch of cool
places podcasting apps if you listening
to this after the stream but again I
think we have to you know that's the
message of Jesus was hope you know I'm
saying like you don't have to take that
way out things get better feel different
some days you wake up you just ain't
feelin it don't if you don't remember
anything from this whole podcast don't
make a permanent decision based on a
temporary emotion the emotions change
they'll I change like the wind here
today gone tomorrow so with that being
said I'm gonna say peace of Shalom I'm
goin in this episode man thank you guys
for hanging out with me this has been
two hour in 22 minutes into this podcast
thank you guys for hanging out it's been
awesome I enjoyed this conversation
Brent's a really cool guy paranormal
portal his podcast is awesome make sure
you guys check that out
so with that I'm gonna say peace and
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keep plugging this spirit realm bunch of
content everything that we talked about
like I wanted to just start reading
stuff out of the book because we talked
about like cursed objects or whatever
and I have a whole chapter that talks
about charging objects and cursed
objects and blessed objects you know for
so for one thing to be true the opposite
has to be true as well if there's such
thing as a cursed object there should be
is such thing as a blessed object and so
I go into some detail about this kind of
stuff in the Bible that shows where some
of the stuff is is in the Bible there
was a kind of the person's listening to
this but there was a comment that I got
a review and it was pretty much a good
review of the book but but there was
some some it said if I had to have one
thing they said was kind of targeted to
the religious like there was like a
religious undertone to a lot of this
stuff and and obviously but that's what
this book was for it's a bridge between
the religious the spiritual and the
paranormal like it's a bridge just to
show you that some of the stuff that we
were talking about today that seems far
out like I'm there's reasons that there
were scriptures in there you got to
understand like people who were in the
church people like even me like I was at
a point where like I would believe it if
it was in the Bible I don't care what it
was if you could show me in the Bible
then I would then I would believe it and
so there was a there's a lot of people
who are like that Christians you show
him in the Bible that wow that's really
in there you know if somebody told me
one day they were like you know uh
Abraham practiced voodoo I'm like what
are you talking about that sounds
they're like the craziest thing since
Leatherhead when is Abraham practice
voodoo and and something else on the
phone was like yeah you never heard it I
said no and they showed me in the
scripture where Abraham did voodoo and I
was like wow interesting never read that
or never looked at it in
like just kind of skimmed over it and
seeing some of these different things
that kind of tag these practices back to
a spiritual practice that's even in the
Bible so that was the book is a bridge
so there's a reason that there's a
scripture overtone I didn't have to like
but this is what it is you know there's
a lot of people who are in religion and
it hear us talk about a lot of these
spiritual abilities and the paranormal
and things like that and so they want
proof they want biblical proof and
that's what the book is for a lot of
people that's what the podcast is they
love it when I talk about the Bible
because they've never heard it broken
down in such a way like it was always
again when when when uh Brent had when I
went on his podcast I sent them my book
I sent them my bio he was like oh god
he's about to come on here and he's
gonna denounce and rebuke everything
that we talked about and like I can
still get that you know I'm not allowed
on a lot of shows because they think
it's some type of religious ideas or
whatever but I'm going agent aliens and
talk about this stuff so I'm gonna I'm
gonna keep being me man and and I get in
where I fit in and if you want if I
can't get in your land I'll make my own
and and that's what we've done here and
I found out that there's a lot of
different people who resonate with this
type of material and work and they feel
the same way I don't think that I'm
doing anything special I think I'm just
being vocal about my own experiences
which is the similarities and similar to
what a lot of other people are believing
are going through as well they just
never heard it vocalize like just before
so and with that you know it's doing
what it's doing Rock says that's because
people justify bad according to two
verses in the Bible about a cult being
bad Solomon seal practice by the highest
levels of magic yep yeah I go I mean I
go into that just a whole
chapter about symbolism in just about
the ways of looking at all of this stuff
you can what you're looking for you're
gonna find if you're looking for the
negativity if you're looking at looking
for the demons and it bad within it
you're gonna find it if you're looking
for the good if you're looking for
blessing you're gonna find it so the
universe is set up in such a way that
you find whatever you're looking for and
and I try to you know paint those
pictures you may read the book and have
a lot more you're going to have a lot
more questions you're gonna have some
answers about stuff but you don't have a
lot more answers that's the I mean the
questions I want you to think well just
take somebody's word for it you've done
that for too long
think ask the questions I remember when
I got freedom and just had a new look at
life in spirituality in the Bible I
started googling stuff I just sort of
like and I would find it in the Bible or
I would use like have a program East
sword it's a Bible search program and I
would just type in these words in the
Bible and it would show you every time
that the Bible says this word and read
the context and you're like wow look up
the word divination in the Bible that'll
blow your mind to think that the occult
or divination is something bad it's used
so many times in in a good light blew my
mind I had no idea but divination was
demonic and only to conjugate and and
summon demons and and conscious demons
and stuff like that but seeing that it
was something that the priests did
seeing it was something that the
disciples did come on it is what it is
all right I'm going to get off here man
let's see who some ice how do you think
John's revelation were come without
divination for sure signs and symbols
that's even encoded for us though like
it's codes and science and symbols the
word occult simply means hidden hidden
knowledge or at the word esoteric
meaning truth for a few that you're
gonna get it if you keep seeking it if
you keep searching for it if you ask the
questions if you take it out faith if
you take it at face value as what must
most people do about even the Bible or
spirituality whatever face value you're
just going to
on the outer courts of what's going on
is just gonna be a spectator but when
you ask the bigger questions and you
search for it you end up finding the
bigger answers and esoteric is truth for
a few who are the few are we just chosen
by birth no it's the few who search for
it
who asked Jesus says ask seek and knock
for them who ask that they will be
answered for those who knock the door
will be open that's up to you you could
be the spectator or you can follow him
up the mountain when Peter James and
John followed Jesus up the mountain they
got to see some really cool stuff the
rest of the people were falling asleep
you know it's up to you as deep and as
far out as you want to go it will be
given to you it's up to you or as in its
you can be a spectator you can be a
bystander I don't think there's anything
wrong with that
you just watch you could be a hearer of
the word and not a doer also but it's up
to you different levels and just kind of
learning not to judge people based on
their level of faith and not to judge
people or look down upon people whether
how deep they go into it it's different
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