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mantel phillip welcome to the truth
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yeah good afternoon derek i'm fine thank
you very much
good to have you um we we first met
through i think i left a comment on
um uh calvin parker's
uh facebook trying to you know get in
contact with him about doing an
interview a couple years ago and
and you responded with his contact info
and and how to get in touch with them
and inbox you or whatever
and we set it up and it was one of my um
first and only on location
interviews that i did with with calvin
parker and went down to
um uh you know pretty much where he
lives
he was the one with the pascagoula ufo
abduction experience and uh had a you
know a great time
you know meeting with him and bringing
my crew in and interviewing him and
just just seeing uh you know how
you know he partnered with you and you
really helped to amplify
his his story his message putting
together
the book and so you're his essentially
um publicist publisher and uh
and you you've put a lot of work in over
the years and
and uh finding people who have amazing
stories and
takes on ufos and aliens and that
phenomenon
and and helping give them a voice with
your your publishing company
flying disc press yes i mean
i remember the interview you did with
calvin uh
way back when now it's it can't be two
years surely
i'm sure it is but i do remember it and
of course i've just been writing about
calvin today
um and when i originally contacted him
derek uh it wasn't you know book wise
what had happened was his partner on
that day in october the 11th 1973 was
charles hickson
uh charles sadly passed away in 2011 but
i i got the
uh rights to republish a book he wrote
with a chap called william mendes in
1983.
and i i just thought as an idea maybe i
could find calvin parker and just get an
interview you know put it in the back of
this book
but by the time i did find him it was
too late you know i published that book
but nonetheless i thought you know an
interview would be nice
um so it took me about three months but
i tracked him down
i want to spoke to him on the phone um
he was very polite but didn't say an
awful lot
now unbeknown to me uh in the background
just a few weeks beforehand calvin had
been at a funeral
and uh coming out of the church he
signed a book i think it was a book of
condolence
and he wrote his name and those coming
behind him started you know winking and
pointing
you know there's the alien guy and it
kind of upset calvin he first of all he
thought it was disrespectful to his
to his deceased friend whose funeral
they were at so his wife waynette
on the way home said well why don't you
write you know a book
because even i don't know everything
that's happened to you you never told me
everything
so he kind of said yeah all right
darling you know i'll write a book
no intention of doing it and then i
turned up
and he just happened to mention it to me
oh i'm thinking about writing a book
so i said well maybe i can help you so
with wayneette on one side and me on the
other he you know
there was no turning back then but he
was he was glad
that he that he did write it it kind of
lifted a you know a heavy burden off his
shoulders
and the book went on to be very
successful
we followed it up that was called
pascagoula the closest encounter
followed up by another book called
pascagoula the story continues
because calvin had another encounter in
1993
and we found out a lot more new
witnesses that come forward and so on
and uh literally today we've we've
recently had an offer to do a graphic
novel
and i was writing part of the
introduction which we told how i
how i came across calvin in the first
place you know
um which was just by chance you know i i
i you know
somebody said i think this is his email
and away we go
and um we've literally you know got
other things
there's a movie being written about him
that's almost finished is the writing
and a documentary series it's the the
books published in various
foreign languages as well so from that
you know
that first initial phone call things
have changed
dramatically and like i said i remember
your interview with him
um way back when two years ago as you
said
yeah i mean one thing about calvin and
his book anyway that's a a
large book right the book is really big
and i've actually
i have a copy in on my bookshelf and
the book is huge and tons of research
i mean you found all the articles and
newspaper clippings and there's a ton of
publicities that went into it not
publicity but you know
news you know news coverage and
newspapers but this was way back in like
you know years ago and and it that that
book is
full of all of those pictures and
articles and one thing he told me
because i had just published
a book and he said that it
you guys knocked it out in like two
months putting that book together it
didn't
yeah it didn't take as long i mean when
i when we started talking seriously
about the book
one of the first things i asked calvin
was do you have any documentation
you know have you got any photographs
any letter
you know anything like that and of
course he didn't because calvin was in
the thick of hurricane katrina
and his house is right by the river and
i think they were under 12
15 feet of water so all he's no pictures
of his
of his daughter as a youngster and no
pictures of him as a young man
they all got washed away so
you know whilst calvin was writing i'm
contacting people saying i'm working
with calvin parker
have you got any of this any of that and
just about everybody that had anything
derek was
was only too happy to to assist us
and the reason i put a load of newspaper
cuttings in there
is because it was to emphasize how big
this story was when it when it broke in
the news the day after
and it literally went around the world
so
you know i thought well i'll emphasize
that maybe i overdid it a little bit i
don't know but it's
but some people liked it others didn't
but
and also we put things in like to show
how this had been
woven into popular culture and
we've continued to find out things for
example
you know i see you know a musician
but in 1976 i believe it was
um the brock band fleetwood mack
wrote a song called hypnotized and it's
about charlie and calvin's encounter
that day
we didn't know that at the time uh you
know
so that kind of amazing and it's a damn
fine song on my
my ad um i haven't listened to it
and then we found out for example again
um
a television station in italy made a
two-part tv movie
about the encounter i've actually got it
in black and white i can't understand
the word of it of course but
i do have it so all this other
information came out and then slowly but
surely other witnesses stepped forward
and said well on that night in question
you know i saw this as well or i saw
that
and and there and that is continuing to
happen as we speak derek
yeah and that's just one
case that's just one scenario with
calvin parker and his story
and you have a lot more
calvin parker's out there people that
you work with and help
tell their story and you put in the work
and
and and you present it in a beautiful
light where does
your you know um fascination with ufos
and aliens come from
but obviously this is something that you
love to do this is your passion
i'm looking behind you and there's just
alien memorabilia
everywhere uh what i mean where does
your fascination come like
when did it start for you yeah yeah i
mean as a young man i was always
interested in all things paranormal
derek
as far back as i can remember i've told
this story before but
i'll i'll tell you again my my mom she
came from northern ireland
and when she was a youngster it was
quite a rural part of the
the country where they lived and for
example she had to walk
five miles to school every day and five
miles back
so give you some idea of how uh you know
um and and she did i think she didn't go
a lot of course
i think if i had to walk five miles
every day i think i'd give it a miss but
anyway
it was a kind of rural setting and she
told me about one day she met a fairy
down by the river a little female fairy
and she conversed with it
and um the fairy given a little bottle
to drink out of and and she told me this
story many times and i quizzed her about
it down the years
and she told my children about it so i
always had that around with me but
um all things paranormal fascinated me
derek you know
my my best friend's grandmother used to
live at the opposite side of the road
and i used to
attend the spiritualist church with her
when i was about 13 or 14
and i found it absolutely fascinating
didn't necessarily
agree or disagree with what they were
saying i found them to be honest and
truthful people and
they believed in this there was no
faking going on as far as i was
concerned
and then i started to read a little bit
about ufos and that kind of got me
hooked
so when i left high school in 1974 i was
16.
it's only a few years later 1978
spielberg's blockbuster came out
uh close encounters i'd started to read
more about the subject then
and um in late 1978 in intercept 1979
i worked in west germany for a while and
well i couldn't speak the language
so while i was there i asked my mother
if she could send me some books to read
and she did and this box of books
arrived and they were all about ufos
derek i don't know where she got them
from
so i would obviously read them on an
evening so by the time i got back from
germany i was ready to go you know
just by coincidence my my aunt lived
round the corner
and i live in the north of england in a
county called west yorkshire
and at that time i lived about five
miles from the city of leeds
and they have an evening newspaper uh my
aunt brought it around and there was a
small advert
for that coming sunday the first ever
meeting of the yorkshire ufo society
so i didn't drive then on that sunday i
got on the bus
went into the city of leeds found this
meeting place
it had been organized by two brothers uh
graham and mark birdsall
and there was about i don't know 20 30
people there
they put on a presentation there was a
whole table full of books which i
thought was great
and i was hooked that was it i was in
and
um there was no turning back i just felt
at home at that point
derek and you know so that's where it
all began for me
wow and so have you had any uh other
like experiences or ufo sightings and
encounters
i've lost you derek okay i think i'm
back did you have you had any
ufo encounters yes
kings not encounters when i joined the
yorkshire ufo society in
in the north of this yorkshire um
there's we have what's called the the
oxydales national park
beautiful part of the world and in and
around the market town of skipton
there's a lot of hills and dales
and there was one particular village
called carlton only a small place
and above it was carlton moore
so this is covered in heather you know
there's
very few livestock there it's mainly
used for
uh for game birds like grouse and
and pheasant for whatever reason derrick
we used to get a lot of sightings coming
from in and around these hills and moors
and dales
so we used to go up there watching how
you know keep an eye out every now and
again so
in i can't remember the date but it was
in the the winter of 1981
grain birds the founder of the yorkshire
ufo society he telephoned me
because i still wasn't driving at that
point he said you fancy going up to
carlton moore for an hour it was only
about you know just over an hour's drive
from where we lived so off we went
and uh we're parked in a location that
we knew very well
and you can see the whole of the moor in
front of you
but it's no no buildings on it derrick
there's nothing there
there's no lights no illumination and
we've been talking for about half an
hour 45 minutes and right at the end of
the moor this little light appeared
and we knew there was nothing there
there's no buildings
there was no reason why a farmer would
be out at that time and now because this
is
this is just grouse and pheasants this
is just heather there's no livestock
there
as such so we're getting the car it's
pitch black
uh graham used to drive like a maniac
derrick you know he
he thought it was a racing car driving
so we set off across the mall we knew
the road
it's very small road and dreams driving
like a maniac and i just looked out of
the passenger window
and i could see down the valley and in
the valley was this
what i can only describe as like a
cartwheel ferris wheel full of lights
all different colors just hanging there
in the sky
you know bit like it's a bit like if you
got the london eye and took it off its
axle and stuck it in the sky
it's huge and then it was gone and i
told graham
we pulled the car over a bit further
along took us a while to stop we
we couldn't see it from that vantage
point grain was as mad as hell because
he hadn't seen it
so we followed the road and that
particular road takes you all the way
around the moor
back to where we our original position
so we drove
slowly around them or didn't see
anything else that night and you know we
stayed there for another hour
and um i make if what you will i have no
idea what it was but it was fairly
similar to some of the reports that came
out of this area
and i'm only sad that graham
didn't see it as well sally graham's no
longer
with us so he can't back that up but
that's what happened that night
wow and i left an impression on you
um well it did what it did daddy
it convinced me not that i needed much
convincing
that um investigating this phenomenon
wasn't a waste of time there was
something definitely there
and uh you know so i i i invested
as much time in it as i could as simple
as that
and and what is it of just the need to
get this
out i mean you you formed a publishing
company that is that caters to
you know ufos and aliens and people with
the what is the need to get this out to
the public
yeah well you know um i i just felt that
there is something there to further
study you know having witnessed it
myself
and down the years i have interviewed
and spoken to
people from all walks of life and um
so the way i look at it um derek is
perhaps when you
you go back in time slightly when people
were observing strange things in the sky
and didn't know what they were they
would document it we now call that
astronomy
you know rocks can't fall from the sky
well they do
you know it's meteorites but they didn't
at the time they didn't know what it was
so i
i look upon we're doing the same kind of
thing now with ufos we're not
entirely sure what they may or may not
be there's lots of different ideas and
theories
but let's do our best to document it and
hopefully we'll find it find an answer
that will satisfy everybody at some
point
um and and that's why i think it's
important it's a
it's a valued area of study that's
largely gone ignored by
conventional scientists
yeah you've heard just so many um
excuses or people denying it and people
who you know
know like people who know some things
and i don't know anything and
you know it was funny because like even
neil tyson degrassi
is like yeah he's like zero percent
proof he doesn't believe in ufos and
aliens but now he has a ufo alien show
coming out about the possibility
of life and it's like come on give me
somebody who believes or who has had
experiences to kind of lead this stuff
and um
so you know you're helping people with
their books you're putting out your
books you you you know you've
you've been writing for years and you
you have a you have a
uh essentially a large library of work
as well
under your belt but you're putting out a
new one which is called
introducing ufos a young person's guide
what is that about is it trying to uh
reach out to the
next generation of of seekers and
people who are having these experiences
and how to study yeah absolutely i mean
you know i've discussed this with
colleagues on and off for a number of
years
and uh you know wherever you are in the
world if you're a high school you are
the next generation
and that's the next generation of pilots
you know engineers
farmers whatever the next generation of
everything
and then amongst them will be those that
you know have an interest in the ufo
subject but it's
sadly it's not somewhere you can go and
get a job get funded and earn your way
at it
so what i decided to do a few years back
was try and give them the benefit of my
experience if you like
this is not to indoctrinate anyone
and give them the sort of lift up onto
the first run of the ladder
because you know they've got all this
technology available you punching ufos
on google
well you'll get you know millions of of
websites
doesn't necessarily mean that the first
one at the top of the list is
is better than any of the others how do
you decide it's very difficult
so i decided to write introducing ufos
and have it illustrated by a friend of
mine called ronald kinsella
uh to hope to try and appeal to to that
next generation the high school
generation yeah
and let's say i've been at it all these
years
and i can give you a little lift up or
up or i can point the way if you like
if it's something you want to take up if
it's if
it you know what and it's not a waste of
time so we the the book goes through
the cases decade by decade we use three
cases
per decade there's an introduction to
begin with and of course we
we we do highlight some um
well-known cases like roswell and betty
and barney hill
but others that perhaps are less well
known
and um we have a ufo photo file right in
the middle
garrix i know when i was a young fella
if i got a book i'd pick it up
look at the back cover then i'd flick
through it to see what the photographs
and illustrations were like
so we've got it's it's it's not too text
dominant it's about 150 pages
a nice selection of pictures and
photographs and documents
and then wonderfully illustrated by by
ronald
kinsella so hopefully i'm looking at the
cover the cover looks great too
yeah yeah well that's again that's
ronald's artwork hopefully
we can help them along the way um
similarly
derek when when i was uh i um
started in this field um a lot of the
the work we used to do was in paper
format
so we have all the files and things like
that to fall back on
and we're looking at where where we can
leave these files once we're no longer
involved
or are no longer here in fact so that
we can preserve them for for the next
generation as well i'll give you an
example there's a
colleague of mine called john hanson
former retired police detective and john
has been going around the country for
years now
um rescuing ufo files that we're ending
we're looking to be thrown away or
disposed of
john has got something like half a
million pieces of paper
so he's got a huge archive of this
material which he's making
public via his own um publishing venture
called haunted skies
so look that up as well so introducing
ufos hopefully is pointing
pointing the next generation in in the
right way
yeah one of the big things i think with
uh turning this on to another generation
for me is just been with my music
and putting these experiences
in and things within my music and um
articulating them with art obviously
and uh it's i'm seeing just a
uh splurge in people who who come out
and
and feel more apt to talk about their
own experiences
and and people who are apt to go out and
actually try to have an encounter
go out in stargaze and go out and and
meditate under the night sky and those
kind of things so definitely with with
the art and music
and just the way it was you know you
know i'm saying back in the day
there's always been those songs that
stick with you
and um you know like fleetwood mag and
then
i know we we had a retreat this weekend
and at the end of our retreat we go out
in stargaze and
we do a meditation and things and so we
but we listen to
always you know it's part of my ritual i
i play the song
um by uh the carpenters
calling occupants of interplanetary
craft i think it is and so that's a
beautiful song about
going out and trying to make contact and
like it's something about the art that
kind of stirs people up whether it is a
painting
or a song even um you know there's
the old renaissance art of paintings of
jesus on the cross with these little
chariots behind them with
people driving these little ships in the
background and
and it's hidden all throughout
iconography and the art these ufos and
things and so
even seeing that from 1700s 1600s
and even way before when you see that
stuff it it stirs you up and makes you
want to look into it
well yeah art and popular culture have a
big you know influence on on all of us
whether we recognize it or not i'll give
you an example
back in the the 70s and 80s there was a
pop group here in the uk called
hot chocolate and uh it was
they had a lead singer called errol
black brown
great singer black guy and and they
released a song called no doubt about it
and it's about flying saucer landing it
was totally different
to any of their other music derrick you
know
but he went on to be their biggest
seller sadly the
the the lead singer is long gone
but um i managed to track down the the
writer of the song this chap called
steve
glenn and i said was it just a song
steve you know because he's a songwriter
he was a an artist
and performer in his own right as well
and he says no it's actually
based on a true account for it but but
not by the band they didn't see it
i did me and my writing partner and he
tells the story they were heading to the
studio one night with another band
in a truck behind them when they had
this sighting
he said we went home wrote the song in
about 10 minutes
and it became hot chocolate's biggest
seller no doubt about it
and of course that in in turn has a has
its own influence on popular culture
and like i said with with calvin
parker's account
earlier this year we were contacted by a
um
a norwegian artist
and uh and songwriter and she's released
a six minute
sort of techno yeah uh version with it's
even got calvin
narrating part of the story on it and
um i can't pronounce her name i'd love
to have a go but i think it would only
be an insult if i tried it derek you
know
but uh she said no just letting you know
philly the song's gone up
out to all the nightclubs in and around
scandinavia and europe
sadly a lot of them are closed of course
but with cobin but once they open up
you'll actually hear calvin parker's
voice booming
out across the dance floor at some point
so i i have
i have made fun of him about that i can
assure you
but it just shows you and um you know
and that's once we put
items in there from popular culture just
to show what
what what it had an influence and um
like with introducing ufos we hope that
the artwork
would send its own message because
they're not meant to be
you know a hundred percent accurate
their interpretations
and uh you know ronald had a free range
to do
to do the artwork and i knew ronald
beforehand anyway
uh and it's it's hoped that that artwork
will stimulate you and
interests you and perhaps draw you in
and
and of course if you read the rest of
the book then maybe you'll decide that
ufos is something that that is worth
pursuing
oh yeah and um it's in there and it's
something about you know having the
visual aspect too
playing up are you buck yeah
sorry about that my my internet
connection's just being crazy today
going in and out but um
i'm gonna do an edit of this when we're
done and uh it's okay
nice video just just the gremlins yeah
yeah yeah internet gremlins but yeah
what i want to ask you just about the
the the ufo ships and things like that
have you
done any research or looked into the
difference between like
the nuts and bolts ufo craft and those
type of ships versus what we would call
like a chariot of fire
or a plasma ship or even some of these
ships that people say
are actually living entities themselves
you know just because we see
fire in the sky it's not necessarily
some type of of of nuts and bolts craft
that it could be some type of
merkaba or um cherry to fire or
something like that have you
have you heard any stories i mean done
any research
well i mean some years back here in the
uk there was a chat called
constable i can't remember his first
name but
um he was of the opinion that ufos were
actually life forms in the upper
atmosphere
and he used at that time uh infrared
film
so he put infrared film in his camera
and he couldn't see anything
and he would photograph the area and
these blobs and blotches came
out and it and some it was a topic of
debate
that has kind of faded away however you
go back as far as kenneth arnold
kenneth arnold even toyed with that idea
that perhaps the things he saw
were they some kind of of living
creatures that we hadn't
come across before uh i don't know
whether he pursued it any further than
that but it but it certainly crossed his
mind
and um and of course you know the
the the phrase now is uap
zone identified you know aerial
phenomena
in introducing ufos
uh it's not a case it's more of a piece
of science it's called project hess
stalin
and hess darling is a valley in central
norway
and it's surrounded by three mountains
and back in the early 1980s derrick
the the local inhabitants which amounted
to only a couple of hundred people
um started seeing these lights
down below the mountain tops and in the
valley
kind of long story short the ufo groups
of ufo norway and ufo sweden
set up a monitoring base in the
hessdalen valley
uh in the winter you know very cold
indeed
so they got some radar from us from a
boat road they got
i mean you name and they managed to
capture the lights
you know on film so you could confirm it
was there
and continue to study in the end you
know you'd be
batches of scientists going out there
even the late doctor
alan heineck went to hestalin i think in
1984
and he saw the lights himself he called
it a ufo laboratory
uh i went out there sometime later
didn't see the lights but
but i was there so you you come forward
in time now
it's it's now run by a chap called
erling strand
who was one of the original founders and
there is a scientific monitoring station
in the area 24 7 and you can log on to
project hestalyn's website
and and look at all the stuff they have
they have school
parties go there it's taught in high
school
and of course they have a webcam now
which has captured the phenomena
on on on camera so you can actually see
it moving across the valley
in the early days when they tried to use
video cameras in the winter they used to
just freeze solid
you know it gets that cold so all the
early photographs were still
photographs but these are these balls of
light balls of plasma
yeah so that's another area of study
that's that's in
in the book introducing ufos if you want
to study it
science-wise there's an example of what
can be done
that's awesome um i feel like i've seen
both you know i've seen
the cigar-shaped ships that definitely
seem more nuts and bolts and but then
i guess at night you would you know you
see a lot of fire just lights in the sky
it's really hard to kind of see what it
looks like and um
but yeah as far as them being you know
for me i tie a lot of my study and my
work
back into the ancient texts and things
and so for me
definitely reminds me of angelic
presence of these
beautiful chariots of fire light in the
in the night sky
coming down and and doing aerial you
know
you know i'm saying maneuvers that uh
our aircraft can't do today
um when it comes to good and bad ufos
it's this big debate and then
obviously the work you're doing it you
know you're you know i'm saying being
involved in this
early on and hearing all of these
stories and i think a lot of
the early ufo stories 70s 80s 90s for
sure
were a lot of terrifying stories of
abductions and being taken against your
will
and having tested experiments run on you
uh for me like where we are now i don't
really hear those stories anymore you
know i really
hear a lot about people calling
themselves contactees and experiencers
and they they they're they're going out
themselves
trying to make contact with ce5
initiatives and stuff like that
where do you think that that is
something that some people would say
that
the abduction stuff has been phased out
like that was
a true phenomenon that happened but then
it was phased out
through contracts with the grays and
different things like that
um what do you what's your take on that
good in aliens versus bad aliens and
people i think what you'll see derek if
you look at the phenomena from well
we'll use the benchmark of kenneth
arnold to start for it
just you know it's for just for sake of
argument um
the phenomena has evolved in its own
right
because with kenneth arnold you had the
simple
flying sources you know
that kind of thing in the 1950s you had
the space brothers
yeah you know adamski and co and others
of that nature
they've disappeared then in the 60s we
started with
the first abductions with betty and
barney hill
in the 70s you got the real high
strangeness
i mean things just got super weird for
whatever reason
you know then in the 1980s at the back
certainly the
mid to back end of the 80s we start with
large amounts of flying triangles
you know in the 90s the abductions
really took hold with john mark and bud
hopkins
so but they they're no longer with us so
we've moved on since then so now we have
a whole mixture of things
uh so you could argue that it is
um the way we we find out about the
subject is through the various
personalities like john mack
you know like bob hopkins like before
him it was alan heineck and so on
if you think about that now there isn't
such a personality in the field like
that
so we end up with all kinds of things
plus what we do have now
derek is the internet and and so it
allows you to share all the information
from around the world you know in the in
the in the click of a finger
whereas before we couldn't do that you
would you'd have to wait until
the next magazine came out that someone
was publishing or the next book
before you really or if you were
fortunate like me
you correspond with individuals you know
writing you used to write you know
and so things have changed most
definitely when it comes to good and bad
we can look at calvin's experience
as an example now when when calvin and
charlie were fishing that night back in
1973
this thing came down behind them this
football shape thing with two lights on
this opening appeared and these three
creatures floated out
i mean literally floated they were
described as humanoid but with no
neck no eyes no mouth they had
protrusions out of the side and one out
of the front
they had mitten or claw shaped hands the
legs were stuck together they never
moved
and they had skin that was grey but it
was like an elephant skin all wrinkly
now two of these got hold of charlie and
one got older calvin
didn't hurt them you know didn't hurt
them in any way
took them on board this thing um
calvin said this object dropped from the
ceiling about the size of a pack of
cards and
circled around him but it wasn't her you
know
but then he says he encountered a female
creature and calvin
both uh consciously and under hypnosis
he says she's evil she's pure evil
and any second encounter in 1993
this female being is there as well as
the other ones
he calls them he just calls them big
ugly things
and she got older calvin and they he
said
i was determined that that that i'd had
enough of this
and and they they got into a fight
basically
calvin was trying to kill her and she
was trying to
he thought she was trying to kill him so
you know and he's still calling colin
her evil he used some
some uh some different expressions let's
put it that way
choice words yeah so but the ugly things
were just stood there
and didn't do anything so were they good
or what
were they just under their the female's
command
it's different it's difficult to say i
mean but
if we go right back to 1994's when i
published my first book it's called
without consent
it's out now because i've i've done a
revised edition
but it's all about the the encounters
here in the uk nowhere else
and and they don't really know some said
it was et some thought it was some kind
of spiritual experience
others had no uh some were frightened
others like this is great you know and
uh you know i'm special they've chosen
me for a reason
so there's a whole mixture of things and
like i was like we try to emphasize in
in
introducing ufos we don't hide anything
there we've got betty and barney hill
we've got travis walton
got another case from scotland from a
place called five it's a whole mixture
thing not not hiding anything
so whatever you know
where you want to study the subject that
is something for you
but similarly when it comes to try and
make any sense of the subject
there's lots of different avenues you
can you can go down
derrick and and research that particular
vein of things
it's just very difficult because there
is so much
information there to to cherry-pick and
say i'm going to investigate
just that part of the subject which some
people do of course
yeah and to great effect so it's it's
it's very difficult for me to say i
i have not cherry picked you know
everything comes across my desk from
time to time yeah
well that's good that you're just open
to it versus having an agenda because
you you'll find
you know even with that that question
you'll have the ones that say they're
all good
and then those will say no they're all
bad be careful they're coming to get you
and
they're even demonic even you know me
studying this from a christian
perspective early on um i found that
almost across the board all of the
christian ufologists
think that they're demonic and demons
you know across the board
um and i started studying that way until
i till i ran across
the work of a couple other people that
opened me up in ufology to look at
people
outside of clergy kind of thing um
and one of them was patrick cook are you
familiar with his work and
bible ufo.com that was out several years
ago
no i've heard the name but that's that's
about all i can say
okay yeah he uh he had an uh um
an amazing website that once he passed
his wife let
let it lapse and i've been trying to
rebuild it with bible ufo.net trying to
get a lot of
his he had hundreds of thousands of
pages of research and
most of it was like a lot of bible
references to
what could be ufos in the bible and
aliens in the bible and
these clouds by day and fire by night
and god speaking from a cloud and
coming out of a cloud and going back in
he had just tons and tons and tons of
just
research on these biblical um
anomalies when it comes to e.t contact
and the paranormal as well so
his work really opened me up to start
venturing out more
from more of a biblical perspective but
saying that hey these things might not
be
demons that are come here to abduct and
kidnap people kind of thing and so
from my research just like you said
there's a mixture of the spiritual
aspect of people who are having we'll
call it demonic encounters or ghost
encounters or whatever they are
and they're calling it aliens they woke
up and there were beings in their room
automatically it's aliens you know there
was there was a time when calvin thought
that there must be
they must be the devil's work you know
scared the
jesus out of him you know and to him so
it was just something that passed
he believes in god you know um and
without offending
people's beliefs i've often said you
know the bible is probably the most
paranormal book
that you could buy he's got he's got
everything in it and of course
there's there is the ancient astronaut
theories that goes back
i remember reading um eric von danican's
book
chat his first book chariots of the gods
uh with the subtitle
you know he's got an astronaut found it
fascinating
i'm not saying i agree entirely with it
but i i found it nonetheless fascinating
and was fortunate enough to meet eric
some years later in vienna and but
nonetheless fascinating so but like i
said i remember one lady here in the uk
she had a what we call a close encounter
and she
totally believed this was of a spiritual
nature
and afterwards she said she became a
spiritual healer yeah she said i did
not have this um i'll call it a power
but i did not have this ability
prior to this encounter it all started
that that day
and and she was grateful for it she she
found it amazing
um but like i said you know that there's
a bit of everything
whichever way you want to study yeah and
um
it's it's there for you yeah that's what
uh that's what i figured
you know and um so i guess i guess
leading to my next
question what do you think about the ce5
initiative and people going out trying
to make contact whether it's through
meditation and
asking for sightings and asking for
these ships to show up it
it seems like you're you're just
championing uh
you know any type of research in any
type of further field
what i've done via flying the express i
mean i started it in 2015
um the idea behind it was to
publish as much material as i could that
you perhaps wouldn't find
you know so the first book for example
was ufos over poland
by a colleague of mine in poland and
some very strange cases in there derek
that you wolf never have read then i
followed it up with ufos over romania
by dr dan farkas again the same type of
thing
but you know we have a book uh by nancy
tremaine
you know nancy's um interacted with with
all kinds of of creatures and of a
spiritual nature
a dimensional nature uh her book is
actually called preordained
that's the name of her book and um
and it's a fascinating read i'm not
saying you have to agree or disagree
with it
but nonetheless it you can still find it
fascinating
and so so that's the idea behind the
book and
like i said things are are evolving
within the ufo
subject keep hearing the word disclosure
again
i kind of sigh when i hear that because
it's it's the kind of thing that goes
around
in circles it resurrects itself every
five or ten years derek
it used to be the last time it's
incarnation was operation right to know
and they were adamant that the you know
the the government
whoever that is we're going to release
the information
and now we have disclosure and the
government's
gonna release the information but i just
said don't hold your breath
as far as that's concerned um for
example derek
let's assume we have we you know we have
we have
information that aliens are real and
we're being visited
who would you trust to deliver that news
to the world
would you trust i i i think it was one
of those things where
the closure's coming from the skies and
i if donald trump came out and told us
about ufos i'm not i'm not going to
believe him
exactly so yeah even if you were a trump
supporter
he's only one man if it was the united
nations if it was the pope
there would always be people who didn't
believe it for whatever reason
and and of course in we talk about the
western world there's parts of the world
that don't
have access to western technology and
television and internet
you know so they wouldn't know about it
in the first instance
so if if you're waiting for disclosure
that way then don't hold your breath
uh what i would say it's and and again
this is sort of highlighted in
introducing ufos
is to go make up your own mind you know
don't let
don't literally don't trust anyone the
information is there
you can study it at your leisure
you can find out more information become
as involved or not but you can still
study it and draw your own conclusions
when you're ready yeah and like i said
keep the mind open
don't don't don't pick any one
particular theory
because what tends to happen derek is if
you pick a theory
you will only cherry-pick the evidence
to support your theory and ignore
everything else
so you know it's just it's just like
eating the potatoes on your dinner and
leaving the meat and vegetables you know
yeah um i i do think that that that the
spiritual aspect of it is really
interesting and that's probably the
the part that that appeals to me the
most
it all appears to me appeals to me
whether
you know it even if it's government
reverse technology
and it there's some of us up there and
and many people believe that
with the flat earth theories and those
people they take another
approach to ufos that there there is no
outer space and these are
interdimensional
ships that we're seeing that are in
another dimension
in our atmosphere you have all of these
different theories but then like you
said
you cherry pick because the let's just
take the flat earthers
for example they will dismiss anything
that has to do with outer space
where we talk about stars and ships
coming out of what looks like stars and
all of these kind of things and so
you you cherry pick but for me i i like
the
um the spiritual side because i feel
like it has
repeatability for me like to go
out to stargaze and to try to make a
spiritual connection
and get ships to appear like i've
done it like i've spent man a lot of
hours
under the night sky the morning sky the
day sky
and i've seen these ships come out of
nowhere and almost come
even just to say hello wait till i
acknowledge them
like i see them okay there it is boom
it's gone
it stays there until i see it once i see
it
it then it disappears i've seen i've
seen hundreds
i've seen fleets of ufos in the daytime
i was looking for it though you know i
was i was putting
i was doing the research i'm listening
to the interviews i'm trying to
consciously uh you know send those
thoughts and prayers and asking the
creator
that if it's if it's something beautiful
to let me see
and like in this period of of a
good probably four years i was seeing so
much
from your point of view um derrick if
you believe in the creator
then whatever ufos are and then he he
created them
even if they are evil well that's it you
know
so but i mentioned a colleague there
called dr dan farkas from um
from romania uh donna has a theory that
yes
we are being visited but the the beings
that are coming here
are not a couple of thousand years in
advance of us
not tens of thousands not even hunt but
possibly
millions of years in advance and that's
why we can't make any sense of it when
we're not high enough on the
evolutionary scale yeah and it gives an
example there because
if you've got a you know a tv set
and put it in an ant's nest the ants
would know it's there
they would run all over it and be able
to feel it and see it and touch it the
you know the soldier ants might even
attack it
but never in a zillion years we'll be
able to figure out what it is
and where it comes from and um and how
it works
yeah so you know if you put humans on a
similar scale we perhaps
we are the you know the ants of the
universe and
and the things we see are so advanced we
just can't make any sense of it
yeah uh and that was just an idea and i
found it kind of interesting
um i'm not saying it's right i'm not
saying it's wrong i just found it a
different way of looking at it
and also when you talk about the good
and evil
here on on this planet we um
we test all kind of things on animals
yeah
on dogs on rabbits on chimps
we'll test out you know medication and
all kinds of stuff
vaccines so are we evil
and no yes i mean it's subjective right
yeah
you know you go and ask the monkey yeah
yeah if you could speak you'd probably
say yeah
what you're doing to me you're evil
don't let me out this cage i mean yes
it's the same thing that we're you know
we would do if we had
if if we and we most likely have
found down ships we're running
experiments on these
things and locking them up you know on
these et's and things
yeah but what i'm saying is if when
you're talking about the et's doing
things to us
yeah are they evil
or is it just that where the where the
lab rats
and the the whatever they come from
whatever culture they have whatever laws
they have
that it's justified in in doing those
kind of things because we do it
yeah you know i'm with you 100 and so
just because
just because something's uncomfortable
you know we like to think that it's evil
or bad
you know you had to go through this
uncomfortable situation
same with with that right it's like when
we go around the world
you know things are different from
country to country
they're not necessarily good or bad they
are just different
yeah and and you know sometimes the
ignorance leads us to think that no
what they're doing is wrong well it's
not wrong it's just different
and it's as simple as that so
when it comes to good and evil aliens i
don't know
i don't know i'm not sure but it's it's
it's an area that's worthy of further
study is it not
yeah um and we got a bunch of questions
here
in the chat and i'll try to ask uh
translate some of them
to you um my friend jaguar here he's
bringing up
something that that we experienced
together back when we were going out all
the time it was his first time
and um i was trying to um tell him about
my experiences and going out seeing ufos
and
if you believe it when we'll go out then
you'll have a sighting and all of that
so
we ended up going camping down here in
atmore alabama
and uh and the goal was to go make
contact the goal was to go out
meditate play some music under the stars
and that kind of thing
and really see if we can see something
and we were in the country and so
there's a level of expectation that we
built up for him to come out with us and
do it and so we went out
and literally within an hour i think it
was 12 ships that we
that we counted these 12 just lights in
the sky that were
traveling and doing strange aerial
maneuvers and uh and within an hour
window we counted 12
and then no more and and you know no
later from like
10 to 11 and that was it for the rest of
the night we're playing music and it was
just a beautiful experience for us
we wake up the next morning because
we're camping out we wake up to
a helicopter hovering above the tree
line right where we were sleeping in our
tents
and they had a uh a bar going across
the bottom of the helicopter and he was
spraying us with chemicals
and his door was open on the helicopter
and he's looking at us laughing
we wake up with this really strong
stench like what is this and we look up
and the guy is spraying us with
chemicals in this helicopter
and it was just we're trying to put two
and two together we got up and
and tried to wrap everything up and
jumped in our car and took off as quick
as we could
about six in the morning and so that was
an experience that we had and he's
bringing up here
in the chat have you heard anything like
well the only reference of course would
be the movie close encounters of the
third kind
when they're trying to clear everyone
out off from devil's tower
you know they they they spray
something that puts people to sleep
that's the only thing i can think of
um but right he's bizarre yeah i mean
would have terrified the living
daylights out they did
i don't know if they were connected you
know i mean my in my mind they were
you know because like you know
just my research it's almost like you
open a portal to be able to see that
stuff and i don't know if they can tell
or what you you know you're just trying
to do your research on how to figure
it out but very bizarre nonetheless to
have both of those experiences
um another uh question here
um from from another friend who we've
been talking about
we've been talking about these little
blue orbs that we've seen i
i had an experience that i wrote about
in my book and i just said it i i call
it fairies because
me and my daughter went out and built a
little fairy house in the ground and
just made this little home and welcomed
the fairies to come and then
maybe a week later we go outside in our
backyard stargazing just me and her and
i would tell her we're looking for
angels is what i would tell her
when she was little and we'd stargaze
and try to see if we could see something
moving and that kind of thing
and um when we're doing this
all of a sudden out of the top of the
tree line these
little uh about four inch
long little blue fluorescent orbs come
out they all come out of the top of the
trees it was a handful of them
and uh and they come down and they're
flying through the trees and they come
down right above us and i jokingly told
my daughter
hey it's the fairies let's ask them if
they'll come down playfully
and literally like a movie they came
down and started circling around me and
my daughter
like the movie avatar or something
fluorescent about four
three to four inches long little little
ovals
they go around us and then they go back
up into the trees exactly like they came
and disappear i'll run inside get on the
internet
blue orbs blue blue fairies blue
ufos uh blue lightning bugs we have
lightning bugs down here
but they're yellow and a lot smaller
and i couldn't find anything one of my
friends here in chat
dave we talked about it he has had some
type of blue
entities kind of orbs appear in his room
he talks about
have you heard anything about yeah yeah
if you
if you go back to yeah well not just
always but the creatures if you go back
to whitley strieber
and his first book communion yeah some
of the creatures he saw there were blue
yeah you know little blue guys um
even even the beatles sang a lot sang a
song about the little blue meanies
[Laughter]
but yes um what what tends to happen
uh derrick it's some of them are blue
but there's other colors as well people
will see these
we'll call them orbs or small lights
them like yourself will just describe
them as lights
or orbs but others
will will say they were no it's it's a
spirit or it's a ghost
or it's an alien but the stimulus was
these blue lights
you know and again just by pure
coincidence
if we go back to calvin parker and
charlie hickson when they were driving
up to their fishing spot that night
calvin had never been there before
they passed the no entry sign and
charlie said it'd be all right don't
worry about it
so they stood on an abandoned pier from
an old shipyard
with their cast their rods out out into
the water
and it was a blue light from behind them
calvin thought it's the police we
shouldn't have ignored the no entrance
sign
and he wishes to this very day that it
had been the police
but of course it wasn't and it was this
when it turned around it says this
intense dazzling blue light
and he said it was the type of light it
took you a while for your eyes to adjust
before you could see what was behind it
so blue lights are and i think i think
um i think it was kevin randle who did a
study about
uh official space recovery
operations by the air force
and it seemed what the the
the word blue was often used like
project blue book blue avians
that's another word popping up yeah yeah
so
you know the the evening in what we
would call you know military terms for
retrievals of these things
or space debris or whatever that the
word
blue maybe just a coincidence crops up
every now and again
but certainly i know what the streamers
saw these little blue creatures
yes so it's not it's not uncle it's not
unheard of yeah
um it's interesting do you know keep
going back to calvin i know you probably
heard me talk about it in the in
in the interview but i went out to
pascagoula very close and this is before
i knew exactly where it was i remember
hearing about the story but it had been
some years removed for me
and going out to the the welcome center
and
right there across the bridge in
pascagoula there's one there and i would
go out there and try to make contact and
it was so
cool to talk to um calvin
after having my own experiences out
there you know and i was like
i was trying to i want i need to get up
with him i would love to see if he would
like to kind of go back out and make
contact and i brought it up to him
you know in our interview he's still a
little skittish but he's he seems open
to it you know
at this part of his life and so yeah
i've had those those encounters in
pascagoula as well
um i just i just love it for me
it's everything's been beautiful you
know all my interpretations all of my
sightings and what it does to you know
for your spirit for creativity again
it's coming out in the art it's coming
out
it's funny you should mention that
because like i said when i wrote without
consent
um and i spoke to a number of the people
then
and it was surprising how many of them
said that they'd had this
i call it a side effect and it was of an
artistic
nature yeah you said creativity
and there was one one young man um down
in wales called david
and david was pretty much like me when i
was at his age you know
denim jacket long hair rock music
but half after his encounter
and he's he swore me to secrecy he
didn't want his friends finding out he
began to write
poet but it was spontaneous he wouldn't
sit down and think about it
he got a job in a local hotel and he
said philip you know he'll come to me
and i have to write it on the napkin or
whatever
and and it all was a result of it of his
encounter so
the side effect for want of a better
word which is
of an artistic or like you said a create
creative
and um i'd love to have studied that
further so it's a it's a question to be
asked i would think if
if someone's had such experiences it did
you
did anything did you have any side
effects did anything happen to you good
or bad
as a result of this and one of them is
cr is that creative spark
interesting is it not yeah for sure i
mean
um just the odd wonder and
you know it's just like a natural
phenomena i think for me well i wouldn't
say it was supernatural
but it was like it brings this this part
of you out that maybe you didn't know
existed or
um it opens up so much more at least for
me it did
um what about so we're talking about the
government we're talking about
disclosure what's your take on the
government finally coming out with
this branch of the military called space
force
where they're going to try to police
outer space and protect
the earth or whatever whatever they plan
on doing when they they came on they
were vocal
that that's a branch of the military now
space force
no i don't just think it's it's
hilarious to be honest
how can you police space i mean it's
just
not practical it's a bit it's a bit like
you go back to
uh ronald reagan and his star wars
initiative
that was kind of patrolling the skies
without people but building a
a an anti-missile network uh that would
shoot down any russian
uh you know missiles coming your way but
it never
it never got anywhere it never got off
the ground and it was a big hoo-ha
about that but um you know i'm not just
respecting to the american president
but um it just seems like a crazy idea
how you know
the the cost of getting into space the
difficulty of living there
hasn't gone away and how you would
patrol it who owns space
america doesn't own it do you get up
there first we do
yeah yeah we don't you know you planted
flags on the moon but it doesn't mean
you won't it you know
surely you know space belongs to what to
no one or or everyone so how you how we
would police it
i just think it's crazy i i don't give
it much
much thought at all to be honest derek
yeah yeah i do too
and i think you know for me it goes back
to
um you know them being so far advanced
of whatever is is traveling here
from outer space that we don't want a
war with it you know what i'm saying
like if they i think
in an instant they could if they wanted
to they could wipe
every well that was creature about the
seti program wasn't it that we shouldn't
be sending messages out into space
because you know what if somebody hears
it and when they get here
they don't like us very much you know
so but no space force it sounds like a
television program doesn't it
well they just made one and that's what
they always do right they just try to in
some weird comedy they just got trying
to get
it almost seems like celebrities to kind
of like make it seem fun or something
laughing or like a joking matter
because they they literally came out
with the show space force right after
you know probably a year after they
announced space force
yeah maybe we should when we should send
a few celebrities into space that'll be
good for a laugh
i could put a few on the list or a few
politicians
yeah uh let me ask you about this other
experience that i've had
uh and i've seen this twice once when i
was a teenager and then
several years after but
and this could be something natural i
don't know but i've seen it twice
a green blinking
light that falls from the it falls
straight down it doesn't shoot like a
shooting star but it's a
a flickering green light that flashes
from the sky
from the heavens and then goes out have
you heard anything about that i've seen
it
i think that i think what did they call
them is it is it sprite
is it a sprite there is you know
a number of things what we would call
related to lightning
but it's not the conventional lightning
that we would know but whether it be
you know sheet lightning or or
forklighting that there are offshoots of
it
some of it is quite weird you know
there's lightning that also goes up
not just that comes down so i i think it
might be an offshoot of something like
that
again going back to my mum um
and i could i i i couldn't understand it
when i was a kid but if we have a head
without a thunderstorm
she would always open the front door
which would leave the front door open
because we used to have a coal fire in
those days so we had a chimney
and there was there was ball lightning
and
and the tradition was if ball lightning
came you know into your house it had to
have an exit which was out the front
door of course
yeah so but there are there are other
we'll call it light phenomena that is
linked
yeah to electricity it's kind of kind of
like a second cousin
and it may be something like that yeah
we have earthquake lights
as well of course uh small and large so
i don't know but that that's what
springs to mind eric if i'm honest
yeah this was like somebody dropped
something though
just a single linking
life yeah yeah strange
yeah i mean you know you you want to get
to the bottom of it you know and figure
out as in
you have these experiences and people
chase them you know i've been chasing
a lot of them and i've come to the point
where i think in that i've opened myself
up for more
experiences and just look when you go
out looking for this stuff you
you you find it right yeah exactly like
like the night that night
we hit the jackpot on the malls back in
1981
you know sadly graham wasn't looking in
the right direction he was
too busy being a racing driver you know
but
we tried many on many occasions to see
something up there and
finally did and it convinced us we were
on the right track
we tried to get up close and personal
but never managed that but it didn't
stop us trying derek
and i don't i don't know what i don't
know the neck of the woods where you
live but upon the moors
there in january it's pretty cold you
know so
we didn't go too often it was too cold
um what about
this info do you do you intuitively
hear somebody's story and just think nah
they're making it up or do you give
everybody across the board the benefit
of the doubt
well you you know again keep an open
mind but we know
not just in this subject derrick but
pretty much any
there will be people who uh embellish
things
you know for whatever reason um
you know and it doesn't matter you know
if you if you were in a club that
collected stamps
you know you'd speak to someone and of
course he'd have a better stamp
collection than you would never show you
it of course but oh yeah i've got it
or i've got the world's rarest stamp oh
you know or if you're wearing a steam
train enthusiast oh yeah i've seen them
all i've
i've seen the flying scotsman do 500
miles an hour
you know and no you haven't you can't go
that fast but
you just gotta play along with these
people that i don't think they mean much
harm
and uh that that's just a fact of life
derek
well what about the ones who are you
know getting paid behind it like
i just throw a name out there that a lot
of people question corey goode
you know there's comic books and then
there's all these far out stories and
yep you know that that kind of stuff
where like corey goodes and stuff that
have a whole productions behind
what a lot of people believe to be made
up stories
yeah well that's it you know there is
that that desire to believe
and there'll always be an outlet for
that and
you can call it disinformation you can
call it you know
a hoax you you know you can give it
whatever label you want but there are
always people that want to believe this
or any such thing you know that the
world is full of them
yeah and the way to deal with that is
not to believe it and just ignore it and
it will go away
it is as simple as that but they are
there yes and
and you should should give them short
shift in my opinion but again who am i
you know i i'm like i said earlier make
up your own mind
yeah you don't have to don't have to
listen to me come to your own conclusion
and when i've when i've interviewed
people um
down the years uh derek
i've never said to them well this is
what's happened to you
i've always let them come to their own
conclusion because who am i to tell
anyone
yeah and if if they believe that these
are fairies at the bottom of the garden
and they're happy with that
i mentioned that young man for example
in wales called david
david had a close encounter he was
abducted
he it was very frightening to him he was
only a young man at the time he had to
have hypnotherapy
because he had nightmares he couldn't
sleep yeah
and i said i asked david you know
sometime afterwards what was this thing
what you know what's the nature and
origin of it he said philip it must have
been the russians
now he doesn't think for for a minute
that it was the russians but
something bad happened to him that night
but the only bad guys around at that
time
were the russians i.e therefore it must
be the russians
so who am i to argue you know he let let
him believe that if it's
if it's his way of dealing with it then
that's fine that's fine by me
yeah um another question here from
jaguar
says can you ask phil if he has ever
seen them
fight either scene or the wars the ufo
wars
like them fighting each other have you
ever seen them or or
you know have you ever ever interviewed
anybody who
who's pretty convincing i remember
somebody that i interviewed before he
passed away
was um ed grimsley who claimed that you
can go out with night vision goggles and
he was
he claimed that he would see them have
fights and shootouts
in space like like star wars even
um and and that even for me lens two
there was something that edgar casey
said that
the battle of armageddon would be fought
in
in outer space but have you you know
read anything have you
heard any any uh eyewitness well there's
only two things
there's there's i think it was goes back
to the 1990s
when there was one of the shuttle uh
cameras and you saw this thing you could
see that
this dark sky this and there's this
thing moving
and then all of a sudden this huge
streak of light is fired
towards it and off it goes it it
it made you know the news at the time it
was sensational
and they were thinking that that's all's
firing at it and it got out of the way
in time
um when it comes to one-on-one the only
one i know of going i keep referring
back to him is calvin
in 1993 calvin went out on the
on a fishing boat on his own it only
planned to go for a couple of hours
she got a drink of water and uh
something to eat
and he was laying there looking up and
you could see this cloud and this cloud
opened there's an opening underneath it
and he went
cutting a long story short this female
alien was dead again
and she'd hurt calvin and he said i've
had enough
and he was paralyzed to begin with and
he said i'm waiting for an opportunity
and he managed to
get older and bang her head against the
wall and calvin was actually looking for
an opening
you know a doorway and he said even if
we'd be suspended in the sky
i was going to get all of this this
female creature
and we're both going out the door one
way or anything
if it means i die i die but she's going
to die with me
but then you know the big ugly thing
interceded and that was
the end of it so those are the only two
things that spring to mind i'm afraid
yeah um i've heard a lot of stories
about it and
this this war this battle that's being
fought in the heavens and stuff and
it's very interesting so i wanted to ask
that well it's nothing new is it
you're a you're a christian man you know
there's the war in heaven
in the bible you know and the depth that
the devil's cast out
he ends up on the losing side um so you
know
walls in heaven are nothing new like you
said some of the um
the ancient texts in other uh languages
and invaders
yeah that they talk about you know
battles in heaven machines
flying machines um so it's nothing new
in that respect
yep yep 100 um
your take on billy meyer in his story i
think you know we can we can end it
there billy meyer is
is a liar and all his photographs are
fake
it's as simple as that yeah i'm with you
i think so too yeah um i had one of his
his people come on
a couple years ago and they just tried
to take up for it but yeah you can
they're his yeah and they were trying to
keep going with it but
you know i mean for some people billy
myers their way in
you know some people like corey good or
whatever they hear
their story and it opens up it opens
them to the world of ufology you know
yeah i'm like we said before and your
people want to believe
yeah and it's almost like a cult yeah
i wanted to believe it but when i looked
at the evidence i there's no way i could
you know well that's
it if you if you keep a rational head on
and look at the evidence
then you'll come to the same conclusion
it's a fake
have you did you ever uh see any any
other videos
or look at the guy uh he's he's passed
as well but prophet yahweh
had a a viral video of him
going out and trying to do a it was one
of the first
ufo summonings on camera but he had the
news crew
that came out with him and he said he
learned how to summon ufos by using the
hebrew version of the bible and they go
out in los angeles and he
prays and puts his hands up and there's
this orb that appears did you ever
see those videos i i i did see it yeah
but it was a five minute wonder wasn't
it derek and
and you know it was here and today and
gone tomorrow
and i'm pretty sure it's it it reminded
me of like a modern day magician
that they can do all kinds of things and
they have a tv crew i've seen norigella
bend the spoons
in his own home and i'm not saying he's
a faker or anything like that but if he
is i couldn't see how he did it
you know so um but but
again you know it's another story that's
been
gone so i don't put any substance on it
at all
sorry
yeah it's one of those things like if
you want to believe i mean
you you find it and i found out you know
early on again
i want to make sure that's what it is
you know what i'm saying like you don't
want to just see a light i'm like oh
i've seen the ufo just because i've seen
a light in the sky
you want more proof like i want to see
something that you know
something that's that's uh you know that
we don't have to kind of pretend or
stretch that this is what it was i think
that the proof is out there and the
truth is out there
um so i would see i would see lights and
i would get excited but then it would be
a plane you know or it would be
a uh a satellite or something when we
look at cases like calvin's or travis
walton's
there's other independent witnesses so
you're not just dealing with lights in
the skies thing
you know so many people have come
forward now that we were confident if we
took calvin's case to court we could
prove something happened to him that
night
um because people from all around the
area all saw these blue lights you know
over that patch of the river
um and like with travis you know i'm
putting five or six of his work
colleagues
in in in the truck you know just a
hundred yards from him
if that so they're not gonna mistake it
for a light in the sky or anything other
and there's there's lots of other
stories just similar to that that don't
don't hit the headlines of course so the
evidence is there
you've only just got to look for it uh
one more question before we go here
what do you think about um what people
would call
chemtrails or the government spraying
um clouds in the sky you know artificial
clouds essentially they turn into clouds
to block ufos traveling so that we can't
see
a lot of the ufo activity in the sky
have you heard anybody talk about any of
that well
i i i see it on the internet but i i
haven't taken a lot of notice
to be perfectly honest because a lot of
the so-called evidence just looks like
airplanes to me
i don't i don't see any any logic behind
it whatsoever
i could rather than ufos be involved
i could you know be interested if they
were trying to alter the weather
because it's the one thing on earth that
we pretty much
would never well we can't control no
matter what we try and do
so i i i could buy it if these were some
kind of
experiments to try and control the
weather in some respects but
yeah how could you hide a ufo with it
with a vapor trail
what about the cloud seeding stuff i
thought that that was like
that work i think that works on like a
small scale
but on a large scale well if you could
do it instantly then you wouldn't have
had the forest fires and
on what i mean in california you could
have just made it rain
and saved all that devastation in
people's lives and so
on um but by the fact that we ha
it hasn't happened probably it tends to
say that
it's we haven't found a way of doing it
yet
um your new book is introducing ufos a
young person's guide
it's usually everywhere books are sold i
know it's usually on amazon but all of
your stuff's on the website if you want
to go ahead and
let everybody know where they can go to
check out all of your work because you
you have a lot that you have done and
that you bring to the table
so where people can go to check out your
work phillip yeah just just
you know tabbing flying this press dot
com that's this with a k
and you'll find uh the website there
with all the books on
and as you said uh derrick they're all
on amazon
easy good stuff philip thank thank you
for everything that you're doing all the
work that you're you're doing to uh
to further this field and to encourage
people to step into it
ask the bigger questions which means the
world so thank you for everything that
you're doing and i really enjoyed our
talk
let me know uh i i guess at the same
time a huge thank you for sending me
guests too you've sent me a lot of
the guests and people that you work with
and stuff so thanks for everything
brother and um
i'd love to have you back on let me know
when you want to come back on we'll do
it again
well you take care derek and my pleasure
thank you very much
all right brother many blessings bye-bye
now
all right bye-bye philip mantle
ladies and gentlemen doing a lot
for ufology and uh helping
get a lot of people's voices out there
who have had experiences
definitely check out this brother's body
of work when you have a body of work and
he
he's been doing it for a long time and
doing it really well and consistently
and especially his book with calvin
parker i have it in
in the uh living room and it's uh full
of research full of articles full of
uh newspaper clippings and all of those
things which which i think is really
cool so
make sure y'all check out his work
support people who are
out there on the front lines doing the
good work man
so uh jaguar
says one of my faves on your podcast
have a blessed day thank you man yeah
good stuff again just approaching it
from a non-biased
uh perspective is huge just looking at
the evidence
and then obviously you know make your
um a conclusion draw your own conclusion
after you look at all the evidence
and the interesting thing which which i
believe and i think you know philip as
well that
you know most of these experiences or
scenarios are true
like the universe is so vast and
enlarged that
ever you know two people's story can be
can contradict one another and still
be true which is the interesting thing
you know my my uh my fascination and
and experiences with ufology has
has changed and has grown over the years
and
and has come through art movies you know
are in movies
in in and fiction and even you know
um sharing this stuff almost
science fiction even you know star wars
and all of that stuff
but i think a lot of that stuff they
they hide really deep truths
in these movies and a lot of people are
into star trek and things like that
and and can go back and talk and talk to
you about these different
races and of aliens or beings and the
abilities and
telekinesis and telepathy and all of the
stuff that
comes with ufology
and seeing ufos or summoning
ufos even so something really you know
i'm saying near and dear to my heart and
it goes back to the scriptures for me
it's the angelic it is the study of the
of the angelic
even if it is uh
you know that people want to know do you
think that it is
physical beings that live on another
planet like do they go and live do they
have families and all of this kind of
stuff right
listen we don't know but even if they do
even if they do have another planet and
they travel here
just like the cargo cult theories that
we would call them angels we would call
them
gods even if we go back to the anunnaki
we go back to the elohim
these are our gods they created us
they've been watching over us
when we were yet primitive they've had
this technology
they've been here since the beginning
so with that being said man do your own
research go out
make connection under this under the sky
you can do it with that i'ma say peace
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