Rocco Nugent - Ted Nugent's Son Is A Spiritual Power House (Roccomoon)
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moon aka rocco nugent ted nugent son bro
what's going on man how are you
blessings bro glad to be here blessed
yeah
good to have you thanks for in
thanks for admitting the signals that
you emit and i'm glad that we made it
similar to a line here today yeah
for sure um
so we we met through uh dr charnell who
is like connecting a lot of people uh
which is really cool so we did a we did
a round table uh discussion with her
which was fun and uh you know we had
just
got over covert me and my wife we went
through it we had all the breathing like
it was the scary stuff we ended up
losing losing uh a lot of people within
a week that we knew uh about eight eight
eight people uh some of them really
close some of them friends fathers and
somebody else's friend's father and like
just people in our circles and stuff and
it hurt man you know being empathic and
carrying that weight and and um and then
we started having like
crews crying a lot
hyperventilating a lot just processing
all that pain and it hurt and we sat
down on that on that uh that round table
me you and a couple other people
and uh as soon as i sat down man i
started having like heart palpitations
like really bad
like my heart started racing going like
111 beats per minute and started getting
kind of dizzy just sitting here just out
of nowhere and uh and it happened before
in the middle of the night and like that
fear tries to overtake you because like
that's a
symptom of long-term covet or whatever
the case is and you could have long-term
damage and all this stuff racing in your
head and there's anxiety and you're
processing helping people cross and
grieving mothers and friends who aren't
here anymore a lot of energy man
and that hit me as soon as i sat down my
heart was racing and we're all giving
our little bios hey i'm truly good hey
i'm rocco and it was my turn i'm just
like
i'm like doing my best just to like pace
myself and breath work and sage and you
know what i'm saying uh paulo santo and
it was my turn i was like
um
can we can we shift some energy i'm
needing some
some energy right now guys i'm not
feeling it i'm going through some stuff
in my body and and the world is going
through stuff as well can we can you
guys shift some energy and can we say a
prayer or something
and when i did i felt that when i said
that i know it really connected with you
and i just seen that you just begin to
kind of like do warfare for me man and
just send me energy and bliss and i just
connected with you as soon as i said
that i was like okay i've got one who's
on my side who's fighting with me i was
like yeah we gotta we gotta do we gotta
do something man so
that that was how we met you know and uh
wow and here we are
wow thank you for sharing and
articulating those kind of subtle you
know components of what was happening
for you behind the screen i saw and felt
as much as i did and yeah i'm glad glad
it was felt received and thanks also for
dropping into that
level of vulnerability to share and not
keep up podcast attitude character and
just like this is what is currently for
real
and uh yeah that's what it is
authenticity
you know when you're struggling you're
struggling like it was hard for me to do
that episode but i did more you know
that's what i do it's like i'd be crying
on it on on people's podcasts crying on
my podcast and stuff and it's like
like should you take a break like you're
going through a lot of stuff man should
you take a break and but it's like no
this is authentic like that's what i'm
dealing with this is real people that's
not real it's not even real
you know all this crazy stuff going on
i'm like listen this is
this is real what i'm going through this
is real life like
it's eight people dead
in my next you know what i'm saying all
of these fears and stuff where are you
geogra where are you geographically i'm
in the south i'm in um mobile alabama so
gotcha it hit us
pretty hard like really quick because
all of like we're like bible belt it's
not real most people think it's not real
you know that kind of stuff and it
became it's not real until it hit you
though right anything and we could just
we could just even move on to another
subject but like your spirituality the
bliss that you encounter with it
like life isn't real until until you
encounter it on your own on life's terms
right
factual
and then i mean
let me know if you want to steer away
but i feel my heart kind of magnetized
to like put a put a lantern on it um
interested to like know and again yeah
like let me know if you don't want to do
it now but interested to know like what
is your perception of what like
what is molecularly happening
that shows up as covid and how is that
different from
the molecular again like nervous system
just straight up like
how the biology receives it as as a flu
it's like a really intense flu and then
how would you notice like the
psychological difference as well because
of the times that we're in
and because of you know all the other
kind of psychic energy that's with that
yeah i mean you got everything on top of
it like you know so it's
it ain't just one thing it's like it's
like okay if you have the flu and you're
not operating at
you know um
you know i'm saying top
performance and you're fighting the flu
you're already under the weather if
that's what it is or people believe but
then you got
all this other stuff on top of it yeah
my my which is which is a lot
which is a lot of psychic yeah
yeah sorry
it's like no just it's it's
it's you know and i talked to charnell
she's in chat shout out to shawnelle she
was like derek like most professionals
say like to lose one person it's hard or
to lose one friend
but to lose seven to lose eight like
that quick like
yeah you know and us being i think being
very empathic like we carry the weight
of the world on our shoulders we help
people process trauma and if we don't
release it then we carry it on ourselves
and so
dealing with grievous grieving mothers
man children who lost their fathers like
and it's hard so that's on top of it
that's on top of any sickness like let's
just get that sickness out the way that
never visited me you know what i'm
saying let's just say we're just dealing
with that grief like that's got the
power to to take you out and make you
susceptible and vulnerable as well you
know
giant brother
man um i i just
i just want to watch i just want you
know i don't want to say too much on the
you know we're on youtube yeah i'm
saying yeah yeah yeah um yeah
steer us away if called but yeah i just
think it's one of the more fascinating
things happening in the world because
you know
experience is experience and then
interpretation and then how i think
i'm very interested in how geographical
subcultures augment the interpretation
of these kind of cultural events i'm i'm
very fascinated in the yeah i still very
much
yeah
well i don't want to cut you off i uh i
wrote a piece for a friend of mine's
book he wrote a book called peace in the
pandemic
you know what i'm saying and it's like
listen like he looks up to me as a
musician as a teacher and all this stuff
is like listen i'll write it but
i don't know if you're gonna like it you
know and uh most of it was stan was
steering away from conspiracies
and and that's how i found peace that's
how i was led to
navigate to maintain what little peace
that i that i have in it and to fight
for it and protect it i would say
protect your peace to be vigilant over
of of people and memes and bots and and
people
who are lashing out
like you know one thing we i did talk
about on that on that
on that round table was the fans lashing
out at me who have a different narrative
of what's going on and then it's against
my experiences against their narrative
so they're just
juicy you giving up on you man you're
one of them you know i'm like hey man i
got a new album coming out i was like
damn i don't even need to talk about it
i'm trying to sell cds and i'm losing
fans trying to be authentic then i was
like you know what damn that you know
what i'm saying damn trying to sell a cd
or with it listen this is authentic this
is what i'm going through this is my
experience and it's it may be different
than yours but you know it's my story
and i i honor that man whether
whoever's narrative i like to i like to
trace the psychology behind it like you
like let me know why you believe that
why do you think that this is going on
why do you think that
you got
i don't want to even throw theories out
there because they're gonna they're
gonna put us man but uh you know what
i'm saying yeah yeah yeah hear you we'll
follow up with that i'm sure more as it
comes yeah we'll do something we might
do a
lot of those fans they just want me to
speak to it again i think it's against
their narrative so maybe they don't want
me to speak to it that's why i just like
i stay in my lane i'm i'm seeking peace
in the pandemic i'm still seeking peace
you know that's well that
that that's a nice uh that's a nice
segue there's like
i think those of us right now
who have been initiated to even
minor degrees on
the path of seeking
call it alignment call it metaphysical
insight call it spiritual awakening call
it truth realization whatever
and there's many that are like i see
polarized towards wanting wellness even
more than before like this whole
pandemic has shifted them into like all
right i might have taken it serious to
some extent and it's kind of kicked
others up into the gear
and not even to get into the gradients
because
in this polarity there's definitely
gradients in the scale
but then there's also others that i'm
sure you've seen the the kind of uh the
matrix minions we'll call them which i
call them chaos shamans and i'm i feel
like you have a
wild level of context that i don't
normally get to dive in with folks on
that stuff but uh following your skipper
with this boat here
um but seeing seeing yeah many many of
us kind of like
you know more more polarity towards
wellness and awareness of these things
that are not serving our wellness
because this hyper inflammation of
awareness to you know
the kind of
don't take don't take your wealth your
health for granted kind of thing and
then there's also this large amount of
the community
you know yeah call them agents or
whatever you want to call them but it's
like more now than ever they're
attracted to dissonance they're
attracted to this friction that comes
from interpersonal arguing that comes
from
you know i call it time-based identity
hierarchy
meaning it's it's the ego but it's like
minds that need to interact with other
people firsthand and get a sense of if
they're right or wrong
they need that polarization like i'm
staying away from
i don't want it's very
man i hear you because you know i i i
hear you i hear your story i watch a lot
of your videos and stuff and like i hear
you talk about like a religious
background as well like a just regular
christian kind of upbringing and i was
hardcore christian street preacher like
i went through i studied under many
different sects of christianity black
hebrew israelites uh reformed baptists
charismatic miracles signs and wonders
like i've been through it all and uh
and i used to debate and
what do you believe about the cross of
christ what do you believe about
salvation and like if you were off or
whatever we would
we beat you up with the bible kind of
thing so i've like right i've stayed
away from that
on this side of awakening like because
of i didn't like the person that i was
and the way that i i did things and so
um
i had a lot of christians who did that
to me as well like they would keep
picking my brain until they found
something like that that that we
disagreed on
okay so what just happened to me the
other day so so what do you believe
about this and we'll agree on everything
everything boom boom i said wow i got a
new friend and we can break the
scriptures down together
do you think jesus was god or was he the
son of god oh i think he was the son of
god you know i think he was you know
god's son manifested on earth i don't
think god left his throne and became a
man and
uh oh yeah well we can't we can't be
friends i'm like oh god that's what you
were waiting for like you were asked i
had to answer all these questions until
it was all it was all funneled it's like
a funnel of like yeah the test it's all
testing what else do you not agree what
do you not know and i'm catching that
from the spiritual new age or
open community that embraces everybody
and it's like okay what do you think
about the lgbtq movement
i don't i try not to think too much
about it like i'm not in that movement
like i'm a straight male it's like
it's like
i was like oh god
it's like a
passive uh pulling on our
our uh
like social identity template it's like
they wanna see it they wanna see the
mind they wanna be able to measure it
and catalog
who are you who are you who are you
though what about this what about that
man i i love to get your lens on a
phenomenon
though we're like that's not we're we're
a little bit of this a little bit of
that a little bit of eastern mysticism a
little bit of old-school southern
baptist like a little bit of pentecostal
crazy charismatic i'm we're all of it
and it's okay
that's what it is so
what i see that is as
as like
uh how could we
not for needing to put labels on but how
could we identify what's happening there
in someone like let's just use these two
for example we seem to be
magnetized to harmony and in
interpersonal inner cross-cultural kind
of relating we see that it's
there's the
seed of the one infinite truth in many
different kind of interpretations but
all of a sudden you get hyper rigid in
that identity and you kind of close off
to the seed that the following is built
on anyway
um and
what you're talking about is like a
little bit of this little bit of that
little bit of that i see that as as a
reflection of our the nature of
consciousness in a higher
kind of crystallinity which is mirror
consciousness i see it as it wants to be
reflective
with
us because to do that means i think
that's what you're pointing at with
empathy as a nervous system
when someone's emotional intelligence
kind of determines their level of
ability to mirror another one's
emotional state in
in the respect of like wanting to aid
them and holding that space
um
sidebar on on mirror consciousness
there's a online course that i'm
releasing soon that it's basically the
last online course i did it was called
moon alchemy program and it's basically
moon is missing out on nothing which is
the remedy for fomo and
fomo is the feeling of missing out which
is separation consciousness moon alchemy
is pretty much christ consciousness 101
then mirror alchemy course is like
mirror consciousness 101 which i found
to be very pragmatic and
utilitarian those are the two words
pragmatic utilitarian awakening
um and so that quick sidebar on on
mirror consciousness that you just
pointed at shameless plug uh but swerve
back over to this other thing that you
started looking at the archetype of it
and i'm interested to know what you
noticed because
obviously we have some differences in
our journey but
also some interesting mirrors as well
um
uh hip-hop christianity uh
pigments uh handful of things it seems
like so far
uh
so there's like several humans in my
life right now that
i'll say a couple
checkpoints since jesus came got
released
since
this pandemic
situation
and um
sure there's another one but those kind
of two in particular they have come into
so several humans that i know of
personally
have have started like
doing this thing that all i can see all
i can see it as is tribal
uh sorry spiritual tribalism
and it's like there's more now than it
seems like i don't know it just seems
like it keeps getting intense or
intenser is it those in
third density um
are like wanting do you have context on
the law of one and the raw material and
the densities very little yeah
basically first density is uh the
elements earth fire water wind you know
akash either uh second density
animals and plants third density is
humans fourth density love the density
wisdom so kind of yeshua buddha
archetypes and then sixth and seventh
are integrations of those and then eight
you start again whatever but it's like
seeing this kind of tribalism around
spirituality and these several humans
i have such a really close relationship
to yeshua i feel like i know him more
than
when see someone starts someone
sometimes reciting bible verses i see
them going second hand
or or you know two two stones throw away
from the one who actually threw the
stone
and my relationship has been with with
him directly and yeah all the scriptures
that
zoom in on that
but there's recently been this thing
that's happening where it's like people
are using jesus as this sword
to like
guilt-trip other people that don't think
jesus is the one and only way i saw this
meme that says
you know yoga not god crystals not god
astrology not god and i heard a couple
of audio snippets on your intro here
so i'm curious to hear how you interface
with that or what you perceive that is
on a quantum level on an
anthropological level on an akashic
level
what what how do you interface with that
because it's been i mean if they feel
like a glitch in the matrix
that's weird because uh it's it's always
been there for me you know what i'm
saying like because as far as like being
a christian and being
being um
one who uh
you have to convert people like that's
the great commission to go out into
proselytizing you have to proselytize
and what's been something beautiful as
of
lately
there's there's two ways to look at it
is
is that
the uh something i've been pondering and
i heard it
on another podcast to hootie from the
killer priest podcast shared it but he's
he talked about
the idea of proselytizing and
um
let's just say jehovah's witnesses it's
still a
you know derivative of christianity or
whatever and we have to share the gospel
people are dying and going to hell and
you're going to burn forever so like
you got to understand like their motive
is trying to do a good deed like i don't
want rocco i love rocco i don't want him
to burn forever like they're convinced
right so
that sword play that me trying to cut
you down that battle is if i can
if i can win you know what i'm saying if
i can beat you then my truth is superior
um
and so there's some battle intellect and
philosophy going on there but it's also
the other people who are really think
that you're gonna die and go to hell and
me too and so
they're there they're they're
proselytizing um
but when it comes to
maybe how it should be done
um
we look at
where christianity comes from and this
is where i come in what i bring to the
table understanding where christianity
comes from it's an eastern tradition
christianity comes from the east and we
look at it like it's a
something a new religion in the west we
have to look back to the east and so we
see
people meditating we see
uh holy men and people like jesus going
up on top of mountains to pray for hours
to go inside of caves they do that in
the himalayas like to separate
themselves to fast and pray to get them
to to have an encounter with god have an
encounter with their ancestors the
angels whoever and they come back
enlightenment like the death of the ego
this inner journey that they pull away
jesus is known for doing those fasts all
the time
going away for hours and in on end to
pray and these kind of things and when
you come back down from the mountain
let's just say that 40 days later and
you've reached enlightenment you fought
the devil and won right jesus did that
and so
the idea would be people would seek you
out let's go see the holy man listen i'm
trying to
get to the end of my ego i have things
that are addictions in my life and
personality traits that i that's
killing me and i need help like you
would seek out the holy man versus the
holy man coming down from the mountain
everyone
enlightenment i'm gonna share let me
tell you like trying to go knock on
people's door hey i just come off the
mountain and i've encountered god no you
hear the story about the holy man who
comes down and you seek him out so
that idea of not having to proselytize
but that that you would go and seek out
that man
is pretty interesting when it comes to
eastern thought
or even i'm going to throw this in there
and this isn't it doesn't help with
symbolism on my shirt tonight but
masonic
lodges but the way that they operate the
masons aren't coming knock on your door
this saturday morning hello rocco you
home i want to tell you about the grand
master lodge we're looking for new
members you'd be a good a good candidate
they're not doing that
you have to do your own research find a
book
know a co-worker who's like man this
guy's pretty devout he's like just a
genuine good guy hey what what is it
well we have live sessions and you know
and you have to come upon your own vote
listen on your own free will you have to
ask them
it's in their rule
they can't hey man come come to our
lodge come come to our youth group bro
come see our church bro we got smoke
machines and and frogs and skillets
gonna be there and toby mac no
you have to find you have to seek them i
said hey man i notice
the way you live and the way you treat
your wife and the way you treat not just
your wife i notice the way that you
treat your friend's wife
and and you don't try to hit on her and
you don't try to
sleep with other people's like i just
noticed the way you do life and i want
to know more and it's like hold on like
when it comes to to proselytizing i
think that i think that we should lead
by example you know so that um when the
scriptures talk about that that that uh
the world may see your your good deeds
and your good works and your philosophy
and your yoga and the way you take care
of your body and the way you take care
of your family and the way you get to
wake up and do what you love for a
living and then like hey man listen hey
how do you how do you run a good podcast
like they'll come to me i don't have to
sell you hey here's how to listen to a
good no hey how you doing okay let me
teach you right and so you seek out that
person you seek out that coach you seek
out that master
so and i know that's
we it's it's kind of trailed off on on
on that but for me it's nothing new it's
always been there um
it and the beauty of what i do is is
connecting
um
western christianity or just what we
know it to be now because this most all
anybody knows to the esoteric
to the occult
to the eastern mysticism to kundalini
yoga to the kundalini to the pranayama
to the chi and tachyon energy and and
and commuting and feeling that bliss
that that enters your body and and and
burns within you and cleans out all the
wrong that you've ever done
like
is this happening in the church well
it's it's happening in temples and you
know is it the same thing so syncretism
is very near and dear to my heart when
it comes to
all of the different modalities if you
will we're saying the same thing just
using different terms you know
yeah that part
that's it
so i'm with it so i don't know if you
know
much about what i do but yeah
um i mean ma'am i'm still learning but i
see i see you showing up in a variety of
capes and i like them um i'm in full
agreement of that
uh
kind of wisdom passing needing to be in
that orientation we can't
um
it's it's a teacher showed it to me it's
like it actually pulls on the akashic
field differently when a student is
seeking
when a student is seeking upstream
uh it's like it creates this pressure of
this dam and it really it makes them
kind of more intense in their identity
this aware that they're seeking and it
acknowledges that and so this humbleness
kind of immediately kicks in because
you're
you're seeking it from somewhere versus
if the teacher was trying to recruit you
it's like the water is already flowing
downhill that's a kind of secondary
redundant energy and
um
yeah it
sounds like we're saying the same thing
and obviously it works both ways it's
not to say it's only this way
you know what i'm saying um it's
different yeah
but also if you haven't watched this
there's a good um short clip
that i talk about a lot but it's from
um
penn gillette you know who that is the
magician
he's uh he's a stunt atheist like
disproves the bible the bible is bs like
he's the in-your-face atheist and he's
from penn and teller they do the magic
shows and and vegas stuff so he's like
in your face the bible is a myth it's
for uneducated people that kind of stuff
well he he did a just a little video on
camera he just took his cell phone in a
hotel after uh one night
of
on on the road or whatever and uh
he shared this experience with this guy
after his performance in vegas i guess
comes up to him and says shakes his hand
hey my name is so-and-so just wanted to
say i appreciate your work love what you
do and if the guy knows him at all he
knows how big and bad
of an atheist he is but he said i just
want to give you this and he hands him a
little gideon's bible is i just wanted
to give you this man and if there if you
have any questions just give me a call
my number's in the back there and uh
and
it touched pin he went back to the
hotel and and and kind of vlogged it and
was like you know what it touched me
because
this guy was taking a chance if he knows
anything about me he knows i'll eat his
lunch like i'll you know i'll make this
guy this christian look like a fool and
he most likely would have but he said
that guy was willing to take a chance
because he really cared about me
like the the fact that those christians
think that you're going to hell
like he could have took his bible with
him and gave it to somebody else but he
said you know what i'm gonna give it to
to penn
and so with tears in his eyes
in in that video pen says that listen
i don't respect any christian
or any religion that doesn't prostitute
ties
because if you think i'm going to hell
for all of eternity
and i don't know it and there's a way
that you can save me and you won't tell
me because of fear of
uh getting into a confrontation with me
or fear of losing me as a friend and now
we're being awkward every time we see
each other
and he's like i don't respect you you
have to be one of the most cold-hearted
individuals who walk the face of a
planet who know that everyone around you
is going to go to hell forever and be
tormented and you're because you don't
like
uh to get into it about i don't talk
religion you know but you think they're
going to hell
like
now when you think of those dudes in the
streets with the signs
all and some of them do a different way
queers go to hell all gays go to hell
it's not the best approach
but a lot of times
it's the best we know we can cover the
most ground by by doing this
because they so-called
really believe that everybody's going to
hell you know so you got to respect it
it's like it balances things out too i
think like i'm thankful for
for for those guys doing that and like i
can reach it and even even if they
i would receive it differently like
to be straight up with you i miss it
i miss it that most of my christian
friends will say
you know [Â __Â ] you true seeker like we're
gonna give you over to the devil you
know what i'm saying i was a christian
minister
like yeah there's no saving him he's too
far gone guys like i get that all the
time he's too far gone he knows the
bible better than me and they won't
reach out to you because of fear of
confrontation and it's like damn
like i wish you cared about me enough to
say hey man you into some weird stuff
dude i don't understand it and i think
you're headed down the wrong path you
don't get that you just get a block or
unfollow and those and they'll never
talk to you again and just write you off
as one of those guys and so
here's the full circle of
do you proselytize do you do you share
how pushy
should you be with it you know and
that's just i come from
i've been in it all you know what i'm
saying so
wow
what a beautiful
kind of alternative angle on that on
that same note thank you for
like
yeah illuminating that
the first place it takes me is is
looking at
honestly i think it's my
my pain body or at least how i interface
with the understanding of what trauma is
yeah it's in my auric field as a remnant
of
a wrong use of energy at some point or a
non-aligned moment that happened and
then it
is part of my geometry
um the geometry of my prism that i see
through and then i witness this world uh
so i you know i grew up watching my dad
basically do his own proselytizing
but also there's something interesting
about it where
you know the promo and marketing is a
thing
and
then uh
also
being planted in uh it's kind of like
the metaphor of like a trampoline and
you put a bowling ball in the center of
it and anything that has lesser
gravitational weight or whatever it's
like it'll go towards that
like you know somebody really heavy sits
next to you on a trampoline also you
start rolling into them
and i i didn't know that's what i was
doing but i was kind of observing how
that happened in my father's life
because he was so intense that it just
happened it would pull things but other
people that were just as intense they
didn't come near they just they held
their own space they had their own life
and then
i didn't just didn't make sense to my
heart i departed being a christian in
2012
and um then i think i found about the
council of nicaea and like i was like
romans
this this
phrase just kept hitting me like romans
raped yeshua's story
and i started to just notice when
someone was giving me true yeshua signal
which is the christ or the crystalline
the christos the sophia the merger of
the the souls awareness into the body as
the sun or solar essence of the infinite
and um i could feel when that was there
and then i could feel when it was rome
or i felt like i was like wow that's
wrong that's rome's
christian stuff that's the council of
nicea's edited biblical version of what
yeshua did so yesterday was signal is
still in there
but i was like man it seems so
uh
glitchy it's like what trying to watch a
bootleg of harry potter you're like ah i
mean i get the story but it's like i'm
missing so
i know i'm missing so much there's so
many cool effects that i want to see
that's blurry here it's not coming in
full clarity and interestingly those
people for me
never felt like
i've interfaced with a handful of
christians that are just like i
know
god's love and i'm like i love that
you're lit let's do it and i'm with that
and there's other ones that it felt like
they didn't know and they were clinging
to this doctrine or this idea of this
dude
out of fear really and it felt like
thirsty it felt like uh
needy it felt like clingy it felt like
it wasn't strong it didn't is it working
um i saw this stat this one times like
uh
what religions are most popular in the
places where there's highest suicide
attempts and highest depression
and christianity interfaces with the
western world very interestingly
christianity interfaces with
people who are very polarized into
emphasizing goodness and then denouncing
badness within themselves
um and then i found
honestly steve jobs mentioned yogananda
autobiography yogi read that find his
yoga teacher
start asking him questions
and he would push me away almost
sometimes it was almost like this story
i read about the zen master whatever
like the guy wants to come and learn and
he like sits outside at the door and he
waits and like he says you know this
master you're a famous master can you
please teach me he's like
it's silent treatment whatever and like
keeps keeps walking and going leaving
his house and then six months later he
gives him a broom so you can start
sweeping if you really want to learn
something
and then um
six months later it's like all right
you're still here i'll i'll teach you
and
just long story short as an anecdote
it's like a very different
relationship with knowingness
and
needing to push
knowingness or conviction one's own
conviction
on someone else
uh
quote unquote
you know just how you kind of phrased it
is like very interesting to me but it's
also it's such a different
polarity with solar and lunar i i
interface with that
kind of
looking um looking at people's energy
fields or the culture like that's very
solar like wow that's very lunar that's
a
you know someone could be hyper
receptive but not very assertive someone
could be hyper assertive but not really
receptive
my pops pretty darn assertive the
receptivity thing i was like i think
maybe i'm supposed to learn about the
things that he didn't necessarily master
he did this other [Â __Â ] like really well
yeah maybe there's a couple things for
me over here
um
and
uh
man one okay one more anecdote it was
kind of like i think i actually shared
it on on the other talk we had but it
was for me this
this click moment in my i see it as my
auric field or my merkovic structure my
crystallinity had a
a very tactile anchored
landed moment of genuine realization and
understanding
it couldn't have came from nobody
telling me nothing had to be an
experience within myself
and uh yeah i was at one of my pop shows
go outside there's animal rights
protesters you're like he's an animal
murderer probably like 10 or so of them
with some with pictures of my father
with like blood and animals and
you know i grew up hunting i i
understand it's pretty traumatic and
it's very normal for a lot of people and
if you're going to eat meat i think
that's actually a much more reasonable
way to know where it's coming from i
digress but i walk up to these folks and
i was like hey i'm ted's kid i'm a yogi
i'm a vegan i'm wondering if you're
interested in having a dialogue about
political uh identity and um
anything else you want to talk about and
we dove in this and this one lady was
like uh you have to convince your dad to
stop eating meat and i was like man
what about my bro who's like an mma
fighter and his well-being i know and
potentially his blood his blood type is
o type and you know science says that
he's actually
nourished by these ingredients
um way way better than anything that i
could ever tell him that he needs to do
because of my moral conviction i would
be hurting him in some way even if i
thought that i'd be helping him
by not respecting his free will in some
way i'm like i'm
i'm nudging very aggressively up against
this boundary of someone's you know
choice and honoring of what feels good
for them
um
so obviously quite a skewed a skewed
kind of reference but
even as a i have a young a young
family member um a cousin actually that
every time i hear about him i i'm not
that super close with them but
um
my family says i just got out of rehab
and i just got out of jail and like oh i
just got arrested again or
no it doesn't seem like it's a good
momentum
i've i've leaned in to the amount that i
can but there's a certain amount of uh
kind of like
honesty that someone
i suppose has within themselves of like
is it worth me pouring myself into this
person
if they're if they're not ready to hear
it um
am i are these words falling upon deaf
ears kind of thing
um and i suppose it's just a very
different kind of uh
way of interfacing with someone's
spiritual philosophical orientation
which their life is now showing up as a
byproduct of i think that's where you
know interventions come in handy which
that's that's a real thing i think it
helps people probably a lot
um and there's also something that this
doesn't seem to be
uh
obviously it's very different but i see
it as a solar teaching
an emphasis of like we need to give you
this that you don't you know you need to
get
it's like those people need something
from that
uh
i don't know
that um
you're converting someone you're
converting them as a soul to being on
your team and it's like
that whole idea of uh you know denying
someone the heavens or the heavenly
state or god or the kingdom of god or
however you want to see it just based on
that lensing
versus i think a lens that has some kind
of understanding of well this is their
this is this lifetime for that person to
figure it out and if they really want it
they they have to come to it on their
own push them a certain amount you can
kind of push them away also
and respecting free will reflecting
someone's interest of learning from the
thing yeah um
yeah anyways those are a couple other
angles on it um you know i'm i'm well
studied in the scriptures in my mind
like you can say anything and i i've
trained myself to like oh yeah that's
what
that's what's helped me with eastern
mysticism and thought because they'll
i'll hear yogananda say something or i
hear manley p hall say something or
whoever in my mind goes immediately to
some obscure verse like wow okay it's
or or i'm researching the seven hermetic
principles and oh that's why the
scripture says that that did that oh so
the seven hermetic principles are in the
bible cool awesome we can study to this
so yes my mind goes to the scriptures
just to say that you know paul says
uh become all things to all men so that
you can win some and so here you are at
the concert as you always are and then
there's vegans here wow those are my
people let me dad they're not gonna
listen to you they might they might
throw a bucket of paint on you and say
it's blood like there's there's no
telling what's gonna happen but let me
go and speak to them let me go talk to
them i'm gonna be the ambassador if you
will to these people and find common
ground and talk with them and so
like becoming all things to all men is
like just sitting with people where they
are like meet them where they're at like
for those who are vegans listen we're
going to talk vegan for those of you who
are hunters you can talk to a hunter and
a meat eater and sympathize with them
yeah
type o negative yeah you're going to be
anemic if you stop eating be careful
maybe eat meat once a month you know
what i'm saying twice a month uh but be
careful so there's wisdom and a way that
you can connect with that person where
it's not
proselytizing like there's an exchange
and there's like an offering and just
and really you don't even have to
give anybody anything you're like you
just being there is going to you're
going to exchange but but not trying to
it's the training that once christians
let that go
and whatever it takes for for each
person because every everybody's
different for some it's a revelation of
hell it's a study of the bible and they
find out damn hell doesn't exist i've
come to another revelation and jesus was
talking about the trash heaping gehenna
and and there is no such like there is
no mention of hell in the old testament
and so whatever it is like if this if
they're studying most christians if you
could show it to them in the bible
they'll change the way they think
because the word is truth to them and
like if you can show me so when it
becomes down to all things to all men i
i have to talk christianese to you like
i can't come with you about hey come do
yoga meditate with us and open your
chakras no let's say listen you just
need balance in your life you need to
get your sex drive taken under control i
may tell somebody else they need to get
their root chakra right and not be
living from the root there's different
ways i love it especially as a hip-hop
artist like it's opened up so much
so much word play for me because i was a
christian artist and you know i only had
seven words i can say for jesus jesus
and yeshua maybe mashiach that's a cool
word but now i'm like sananda i'm
talking about the cosmic christ like i'm
using i'm just angels aliens there's so
much more wordplay but meeting meeting
people where they are
so when it comes to like your dad or
whatever and those people like hey
tell your dad stop eating me you're the
one to do it you tell them my response
at this point when people try to project
like that hey you need to tell your
audience that this is wrong
getting that you know this is i'm
getting those messages i'm like no
you need to tell them
you need to tell my dad that eating
meat's wrong
no you do and they want you to carry
their message or whatever like if it's
your conviction
and you've given your life and you've
showed up at this concert like you're
here for a reason
you need to do it not that i need to do
it whether is that
becoming all things to all men
and these are just this this is one or
the other your dad
might be set on not being able to learn
from you because you're his son like
yeah i can't have my son correct me and
teach me how to eat and keep that there
could be that going on but the other
side you may be the only one to be able
to show him these ways right so we don't
know but when somebody has a burning
passion that they try to project on you
to like take their torch and run with it
and say you need to say this or you need
to do this it's like i'm always like no
you need to and they get mad but hold on
sit with that a moment
like you have a passion i don't have a
passion for this message like it's gonna
seem
i speak on it or whatever but that's
gonna seem disingenuous if i try to come
off as a lgbtq expert and preach your
gospel it's not this your it burns
within you live it you're living this is
your reality i'm with you i love you and
i honor you but um
you know i have mine too
that i'm having a hard time getting you
know this truth out in these messages
you know
but um speaking of that you know
what with your dad
it was weird but it was synchronistic
how it happened
i'm scrolling on on tick tock as as i do
and uh i'm scrolling tick tock and i saw
a video of your dad from the 90s i saw i
am i don't have to really go into it but
it was the kurt cobain video
of him like doing a rant on on kurt
cobain after he after he uh committed
suicide and uh and so and it was some
some tick tocker was like look at ted
nugent look how he responded he would be
canceled today and it played the clip
and i hadn't seen anything on your dad
in years and i see that clip and it
stuck with me most of the time i just
keep scrolling wow i've never seen that
that's pretty harsh that he said that
and then
charnel is like hey i gotta i got a
friend who i want you to meet he's a
rapper too
it's actually ted nugent's son dang i
just see the damn tick-tock and now
we're gonna do a round table with them
and uh and like i understand that but i
also understand
your dad
in that interview and how he's just
raw you know it's what he does like
nobody's going to hear him if he was
you know what i'm saying he has to be
out there in like that and and be
assertive
um
but in in your conversations with your
dad because you you filmed some of the
sit-downs with rolling ideas off of
off of your dad and stuff and those have
been some really cool
videos to watch and uh
and i hear him talk about drug abuse and
i hear him talk about drug addicts and
being next to them and people trying to
get
him to shoot up or to drink and he's in
that lifestyle and how much like
adamantly against it he was so that he
wouldn't get caught up in that world
when you know and we can that's your dad
obviously i know you see these things
but the same with the preacher
like a lot of people who are preaching
against
homosexuality when they really just
going at it like going against it you
find out that they're closet homosexuals
and they can't be who they are who they
were created to be i'll say that you
know and so they they they start
attacking that very thing that they hate
about themselves and those christians
christians will do it too because you
got a freedom in you truth seeker rocco
whoever listening you have a freedom
that i still beat myself up with it
anytime that i do it and uh and and so
you know that freedom they attack it
they don't know what else to do they
can't honor it and let and just let you
live your life i gotta attack it and so
we see a lot of that going on navigating
through these
um narratives
and so many more right now and all those
narratives come from trauma
i'm dropping a couple things out here i
mentioned that that thing with um penn
gillette to go back and watch that if
you can but also there's a documentary
on netflix called
misha in the wolves
we sat down and watched it me and my
wife and uh
i've been interviewing some really
interesting people lately
but when it comes to narratives then
when it comes to
to trauma and stories that people make
up
it is insane man these you know people
live these realities that
are real even if it's only real to them
man and uh and that documentary really
brought that to life and i'm
i mean i'm a seeker dude like i want to
hear your story we're gonna i've seen
some stuff i'm a skeptic i'm a skeptic
when it comes to all of this stuff
because i want proof but when you hold
out you get the real deal you know and
so
you know there's a lot of people
responding to trauma and triggers
because if trauma comes from a wound you
were wounded when you were seven
your your dad was a pastor and
they excommunicated you because
you're a child of satan whatever like
those stories exist for sure and anytime
somebody touches that open wound
it triggers you
you're you know you have a response to
that trauma but those are good for us
who people who identify and work as
healers because we know what areas to
to you know send some energy to to to to
send some nourishment some treatment to
in others
but also
heal yourself first heal the healers and
so when we find ourselves getting
triggered and somebody said that and it
made me revert back to
lashing back out at people and stuff
like hold on why can't i hold my peace
when somebody brings
every subject up but that one and i have
to be assertive and i'm losing friends
and
so
you know trauma
and narratives and us
hanging out with people who
aren't here right now they're on a
different wavelength in a realm of
existence and it was it was there it is
their way to cope with trauma to cope
with hurt you know a lot even when it
comes to abductions i'm i'm interviewing
a lot of alien abductee people and
people who are contacting one of the
most interesting things and richie if
you're listening to this this is what
the the alien gray theory that i left
off the other night when we were talking
but one of the alien gray theories where
people say i've been abducted and they
were looking over me and there was
lights and they were putting things in
me a lot of people talk about the
connection with those alien abduction
experiences and running experiences on
experiments on them is come from
birth trauma when you were snatched out
of your mother's womb by this
doctor with a mask on and big goggles
and they're all looking at you and
giving you shots and all this kind of
stuff like coming out of the womb to
this new world taking your first breath
of air and all these people are pulling
on you and stuff and like you're getting
memories at like seven years old of
these
beings looking at you and you're seeing
it like there's some interesting
connections with
alien abductions even being linked to
birth trauma the way you came out of the
womb
man i i would love for you to talk to my
brother hermes he's the thing that just
popped up while we were talking his
instagram is awakened consciousness
collective
he's other than i'd say you and i he
he's one of the more
um
esoterically informed occult informed
magically informed beings in the
crystallinity that i've ever witnessed
and uh in terms of like the different
yeah
ways that these kind of dream traumas
show up like with the grays
relating it to the bird trauma and that
has an actual memory um
yeah i think there's a lot to it man
that's quite the that's quite the portal
there
yeah uh and
uh charnel's asking for the name you
said awakened conscious collective
yeah awakened conscious collective i
think or awakened consciousness
collected but yeah it's a it's like a
pretty big page it's it posts a lot of
memes and stuff but he actually has
awesome other online uh
like uh a bunch of bunch of offerings
yeah nice nice nice
traumas deep dog like
when you
i got to stop talking i love this stuff
but i'm just like religion is i think is
a response to trauma you know the trauma
of
of death
of what happens to us when we die like
bro spirituality all of these
jesus saving you and giving you eternal
life like you got to pick something or
just being okay with death like some
people get to the point where they're
okay with hey when i die it's just
nothing we don't exist anymore it's
scary to talk to those people
because that that's very scary to me and
uh but i understand that religion and
finding
a narrative that takes away that fear of
death is is something that all humans
deal with every single one of us and and
for some people listen i talk to a lot
of past life regression people i'm not i
can't say that i fully believe that that
narrative but i got people who were sold
on it but it's just like as long as
you're sold on past life
regression and you get to keep coming
back
then you never die or well i'm just
gonna be energy in the cosmos hence i'll
never die there's just we have to come
to this understanding of why we will
never die okay well i get to be live
eternal life with with jesus i never die
he offers eternal life he has defeated
death he has defeated the grave he's
given us a second chance at life
we're already dead now and we were born
again in the spirit and our spirits will
live in eternity and
you have all of these every religion
gives you something different about what
happens and
and uh
people want to be okay i recognize that
in religion i recognize that in
interviews and it's like because i
recognize it in myself you know and
maybe that's a projection but i do feel
like it is the
we'll make up myth we make up story we
make up something and that is even a
response to trauma to say okay this is
what happens when we die guys
i've never died bro i don't know
like for me to tell you exactly yeah the
bible i'll tell you what the bible says
i believe it i i know that that belief
comforts me
i don't know for fact there's also some
other cool stuff about reincarnation in
the bible right i don't know i'm not an
expert i never died
yes you have let's do a regression
and you know that you were a king in
egypt okay let's do it man
i'm a skeptic bro i want to know like i
know there's too many fakers bro
there's too many people making this this
stuff up
as they go and they get an audience and
they get a crowd and they keep doing it
of course with all things there will be
those who are in the shadow trying to
get the shine of the brightness
it's a response to trauma it's a
response to nobody ever listening to
them
i didn't have now i got all these
christians listening to me now i gotta
now i got a platform with new agers
listening to me or whatever it is like
it's because nobody listens to you and
your family or growing up so now you
deviate and go start something where you
got people listening
that's even a response to drama
what you know about the akashic field
and how it informs karma and how trauma
is a reflection of karma
um
not not the science of it you know what
i'm saying
i know
i'm not an expert on them by any means
so
um if i may expound a bit um
because just you just pointed out a
bunch of really gushy good stuff
um man so i had
uh
two i would call them near-death
experiences um
with archangel michael
and
all he did was kind of like he poked me
into an awareness of what it feels like
to waste energy
and why it's disrespectful basically
those were at uh 20 21 and then again at
24.
um
yeshua spoke to my left ear at 3 30 a.m
december 2012
2016 and said one word paul
and made me go looking what what did
this do paul was saul paul what happened
what is he really pointing at what are
these letters about
and then i go into this initiation
through uh there's one yoga teacher that
just i loved it was just funny but it
was like making good sense and i like
that and it seemed practical and not
and
then i realized the real thing i wanted
is called raja yoga raja yoga is like
the yoga of my mind i want my mind's
fluctuations to go away i want my mind
to be calm and steady and and basically
an instrument of my expression and not a
hindrance of my expression a tool that
i'm able to use instead of a tool that i
don't know how to use and i hurt myself
you know a hammer that i'm able to hit
nails in with not a hammer that i break
my thumb with kind of thing
um
then
raja yoga and siddha kind of paired
together for me and started working with
dmt and i saw that because i was
anchored in certain yoga practices that
it actually informed my framework during
these experiences
started seeing that framework mental
framework is basically karma karma is
this kind of like
estheric template psychological template
and etheric elemental template that each
soul comes into each body with each body
gets basically imprinted with plasma
ionic
solar sunlight of the i am presence when
the first breath is taken by that child
prana she
clicks into that carbon and that
boom is the star moment all those
astrological those are all just
elemental reflections of that i am
presence in in that moment
and that soul i am is coming into that
body because that body has
kind of momentum because of the parents
and the parents parents parents and then
the social moment and then that
geometrical kind of influence of all
those planets
everything is this pressure point onto
that soul's first breath and their life
has all these kind of
uh
most likely things and less likely
things
free wills this uh bowling ball in the
middle of gutters and sometimes there's
bumpers depending on if someone has good
karma but i got really really interested
in what karma was how how yeshua's
teachings basically aligned with karma
or even gotham's teachings um
and i really was interested in that and
this dude named krishnamurti stood out
you know you know him and
um
looking at how
yeah like all these religions are
somebody found something but then a
bunch of people wanted to follow the one
who found it some of the ones who follow
find it themselves
and stop being a follower and start
being the realizer or the finder so to
speak
um and then
most though it seems like the majority
don't
use that guidance system in the same way
that that
first person or the
the origin point of the teaching or as
iran would say that the fountainhead of
that teaching
it's not exactly replicated it's like
the
phonetic uh like well the game of
telephone where it's like whispering
into one person's ear 30 people here you
know 30 years later that person whispers
back to you with the original whisper
was was very different
um
and
yemen started seeing
so i said akashic feel karma and trauma
so
i learned about trauma in
2017 18 19 i got certified um from this
amazing
situation out here in l.a
psychoneural energetics
judith and catalina
lived with these two master teachers
back in the day and like learned a lot
from them they're bringing this there so
i'm learning about that okay how does
that line up with christ all right
christ really is just the crystal the
crystal is the soul self the soul self
is the jiva atma jiva atma really is
krishna own
conscious awareness presence that is a
babies make uh
oz and oohs and consonants shape around
vowels the body life these moments
vowels are the things that fill up the
opening
and so christ is really the soul so then
what's the body and how can we all get
different bodies
and it's really just the elements
assembled in
astrology gene keys human design all
really cool reflections of that but i
see karma as situational momentum that
we're all inside of or rather we're
interfacing with as our life
um
but
when someone chooses their eternal life
they're basically choosing their soul
self's i am
compass versus their
physical world identity
trauma-based compass and those are the
kind of the two pulling things for every
soul on a very realistic pragmatic every
day during their life why somebody
chooses spirituality in the first place
or alchemy or anything like that
dharma whatever it is
um
but yeah then i got a couple different
moments where i interface with somebody
that said they read the akashic field
and i was like what does that really
mean what is the akashic field
heard sad guru talk about it was in
person with him twice blown away like
all right that's very real
ask different teachers about it and
honestly dmt has been
one of my main teachers um and
didn't really start having integrated
integrated integrated experiences until
i could hold padmasana which is full
lotus you know where you can put the
legs kind of in this very particular
lock
and i started having different
experiences out the top of my crown and
saw very vivid real electromagnetic
blueprinting witnessing experiences of
what my energy body is and how it's
composed of these sediments that uh
you can measure them in
density so the bones we all have bones
but some people don't have bones in
certain areas certain people have
traumas that take away bones from
certain areas
and astrologically there's this
incredible mirror there it's like yeah
you were gonna your venus and taurus
were like gonna hit this moment and uh
this vedic astrologer one time showed me
this
this map this diagram
and
i see it as the elements are pulled
together by ether ethers like the glue
of time space
um so why jesus in yeshua is
one of the most powerful teachings in
the world is because it just says choose
the soul choose your soul your soul
saves you the i am that i am is what you
are in awareness consciousness that
which experiences all experience
choose that you'll go to the father be
with the father you experience all the
stuff through the body still but you're
just going to choose everything in life
differently because you're really at
home upstairs
um
paul selig amazing author you know that
name paul selig yeah the name's familiar
with what did he write
uh alchemy paul selig uh profound
profound teaching um there's another
book paul selig uh
forgot the name of it but he uses this
term the upper room and he he's like
abraham he's like bashar and for me
that's christ consciousness they just
give it this new name and i see their
dharma kind of encouraging them to give
it a new name because it's really the
light fractalizing into other people
um you know you know sound complexes
that they can receive and you know
everybody's gonna find what they're
gonna define for them well it's like
yeah that it's the messenger like
because you got people who aren't gonna
receive from jesus because of their dad
because their dad was a pastor but
they'll receive it from
seth you know you know
receive it from bashar uh or channeling
a space alien you know what i'm saying
like that like i'll receive like even
saying the same things
like i got i know christians who will
crucify you when you when you share the
beautiful teachings of jesus but you
don't quote the verses or you change it
up a little bit and you live it because
they want it in this container they want
it in this box you can be saying and
doing the same thing but because it's
not in that container that they're used
to we talked about the beginning just
the boxes we want to put okay that's the
christian box there's the there's the
yoga he's talking yoga now he's a yoga
box you know and so okay he's a yogi he
talks about christ we want to put we got
boxes for people because we've met
people
we've met other christians well we met
other hindus or new agers or whatever it
is that
when you i when you meet somebody you're
like okay he's this he's that he's that
and when you when you blow those
paradigms out the water i i i love doing
that you know it's a an um enigma or
whatever and just blowing those boxes
away and messing with people's head and
then being able to kind of share truth
in that kind of because you got to like
destroy that paradigm in a sense like
all christians are this or all what we
thought all muslims were that all
muslims are
terrorists or all muslims are extreme
radical extremists it's like no that's
not the case that was like that's like
saying every christian is a
member of the ku klux klan i know a lot
of christians in the ku klux klan in the
south in mississippi and i used to work
with them on the job i got to meet them
firsthand and so people they think that
all
you know christians are that we we got
these boxes that we put people in
because of our life's experience but
and you and you can't receive from them
we got it we all have the thing we just
shut down like yeah i have it but but i
know it's i have it because i identify
it though like obviously we know it's
there so that allows us to kind of
take the back door okay i know that
there's some resistance here but i'ma
listen anyway because there was the
scriptures where god spoke through
balaam's
donkey
like god spoke through a donkey like he
was kicking the damn donkey or whatever
because he wouldn't go a certain way but
the donkey could see something that he
couldn't see
and he wouldn't listen he wouldn't take
a hint so the donkey started talking to
him if god can use and speak through a
donkey then he can speak through the
people who i think he can't
and when you step into that again all is
god i see god
christ in everything then you open up to
a new realm of possibility that
your your devotion to christ he'll speak
to you through church and through
christians i also speak to you through
muslims you also speak through you
through watching an episode of whatever
movies on the television or an ads on a
billboard
or somebody's bumper sticker or Numbers
11-11 333 oh my god
he's trying to do whatever he can to get
my attention i am conscious i'm lucid in
the dream so therefore it's like
i can listen to bashar
okay it's cool i can listen to jesus i
can listen to buddha muhammad it doesn't
matter it's like once you once you know
the truth
the bible says you know the truth
and the truth will set you free most
christians are like okay if we know
jesus he sets us free yeah he's in that
you can identify the good and the bad in
it there's christ and there's some bad
this one listen hey man seth they got
some weird stuff dude there's some
demonics there's some dark energy in it
all in christianity there's some super
dark stuff be careful there's the yin
and the yang but that's the beauty that
we get to look at it
and like okay
i know they threw you away
that's why i get emotional talking about
this it is the story of christ it is the
cross it's like listen i know they all
gave up on you
i know your family gave up on you i know
your friends i know you said you want
nothing and we see the people christ
reached out to the prostitutes
the tax collectors the ones that society
everybody gave up but he saw he saw
something valuable in those people
he saw that he could look and everybody
saw the bad
but if you look a little bit closer and
look through this veil of the box
and open the box and look in it and you
can see that person's soul you can see
their spirit
you can breathe life upon them you can
prophesy to them you can speak to them
and change their day change their moment
change their situation change their
entire entire life with the word of
encouragement and jesus did that with
everybody
that he met
even his enemies he left them
dumbfounded and had him thinking and man
and he did that to me you know what i'm
saying so
i
owe it to humanity and to myself and to
him you know what i'm saying to pay it
forward you know what i'm saying in
every way i can even if it's just
sprinkling a little salt
it might not be doing no miracles in the
street we would want to but it may be
just through a conversation of being
vulnerable and speaking your truth that
in in the midst of that people know the
truth in the midst of a conversation and
it sets them free
that's it man
that's the gospel i like both of it dude
you know what i'm saying i there's a
part of me that remains to the gospel of
being broken
like i i got a lot of friends even in
the christian movement there's mystical
christian movements that are thriving
right now they're growing it's really
cool embracing yoga the embracing breath
work it's really cool i love it
christian mystics but a lot of those
people are starting to get away from
what they call um original sin
which is like we were born sinners or
whatever and i know that's what we've
been told in the church
that's a sticky one you're a sinner in
need of a savior but they're like no no
listen you're
you're redeemed you're you're made whole
you're not a dirty rotten sinner you
never were the only thing that happened
was when you believed you were
and that's what made you that because
you believed it and and i got a lot of
friends in that movement and and and
i'm i'm in that movement to a degree but
it's like
i can get so lofty to think i'm so
ascended
and my head is in the cloud but my feet
aren't connected to the earth and i need
the grace that i needed
21 years ago now when christ found me
and my sin like i still need him and it
was pretty bad it was pretty far out i
was going schizophrenic i was possessed
by evil spirits and
going i was sickly like it was bad and i
but it's so easy i'm so far removed from
that person to forget about that i said
well now i've got everything together
and now that's the old me it's like
listen i'm one wrong move away from
killing somebody i'm one wrong move away
from
slapping the taste out of one of my fans
mouth when they talk down to me in in
public you know what i'm saying like
it's a daily thing the grace and the
peace in that moment that's how whatever
how spiritual i am or how much i love
spirituality it is to balance out that
negative energy the light in the dark
still exists
it's still there there may come a time
where i need to slap somebody in the
mouth and they stepped in my family if
they you know what i'm saying they're
breaking my home like you got to go to
war well you know what i'm saying so
everything exists and we get to see the
yin and the yang and we choose this day
who will serve the light or the dark
and uh to think that you've transcended
or it's not
in there is the moment they find out
that your pastor has a kid tied up in
his basement
and he's been teaching on on this new
doctrine of how he's untouchable and
there's no guile in him and come on now
like
you know pride cometh before a fall and
so i understand that and it keeps it
keeps me humble but i am lofty i know
who i am in the spirit you know what i'm
saying i know who i'm connected to i
know that we are luminous beings within
this body this body is temporary but we
get to experience duality
and that's beautiful
we want to transcend it we want to leave
it we want to
leave our bodies
and guess what if you're dying
when you die and you're in the akashic
guess what you're going to want to do
i want another body
i wish i was still in my body it was
like listen be here be present be in the
moment and you said wasting energy
come on man that's plant teachers like
that's jesus be anxious for nothing be
in the moment stay in the moment
any moment that you're not present is a
waste of that moment
and that's what they all
sing with the resounding gong every
single one of every plant teacher hey
man
be present be mindful listen a little
bit more like you only got a little bit
time there like create some beautiful
stuff it's in you nothing's going to
stop you we're going to show you how to
do it when you reach these blissful
states of meditation you said dmt
psilocybin it's these same messages that
are from their whispers
from eternity which are synchronicities
reminding you hey troop seeker you lose
it in the dream bro
you get to do some really cool stuff man
take take advantage of it so
ah i know i'm ranting man um i love the
energy bro um and i know you gotta go
man um
and uh go ahead and plug your stuff dude
uh you're a hip-hop artist
you got some really cool music that
you're working on some really cool music
out you're active on instagram you do
one-on-one sessions you got some courses
and stuff like that coming out let
people know where they can uh tap into
your work man and listen to some of your
tunes and book sessions and all that
cool stuff bro
man appreciate your prism and your
reflectivity and your anchoredness and
your articulation and your full spectrum
kind of like historical analytic
awareness it's a it's a blessing to be
in coherence with you bro appreciate you
the space you hold thank you thank you
um yeah on instagram it's at rocco moon
r-o-c-c-o m-o-o-n
moon stands for miss out on nothing you
heal and resolve fomo the feeling of
missing out which is separateness from
what you want to have by missing out on
nothing and choosing what you're
unwilling to miss out on and living that
daily
i got an online course coming out mirror
alchemy which is basically
kind of buddhic awareness simplified
pragmatized i'd say it's the next level
of christ consciousness which is mirror
consciousness which is just highly
emotionally intelligent pragmatic
uh alchemical beingness on a daily level
uh got another online course moon
alchemy program pretty much like
spiritual
embodiment i don't like the term
enlightenment as much as embodiment
makes it really
again that word pragmatic um all of the
highest level enlightenment stuff but
simplified pragmatized for a waking
state kind of yeah
is it is it helpful yes or no
um everything's pretty much on instagram
been putting out music as rocco moon but
just went through this identity shift
and the moon just stopped feeling
feeling like it was part of the music
so the teachings are going to be more
kind of with this last name of moon as a
as a branding because you know what
what you and i are both doing is
reflecting the light of the infinite sun
into this space so i see a moon as a
metaphor of that
and uh the music will keep coming out
but as rocco with a comma at the end but
again just go to rocco moon on the
instagram and the link tree
there's uh services offered
it gives you kind of clarity as to what
um my specialties are as a servant to
each soul
mirror sessions are what i call them
when we do like a full kind of quantum
alchemy scan of what is the most
relevant thing that anybody needs
assistant with
i don't believe in confusion i feel
confusion is just psychological pressure
and friction waiting for clarity to have
an aha moment i'm an aha moment gardener
and uh i just work as an extension of
the crystal body that we all are as one
infinite intelligence
and um
yeah the online courses fun eight week
program and then a 12-week program
one-on-ones love doing those see
anything you need on instagram that's
about it
that's what's up that's what's up uh
rocco enjoyed it man and uh anytime you
want to do it again
we we need to do it i'm sure there's so
much that we can talk on and we didn't
even like crack your story we just went
in on some deep stuff off the yeah going
into your story and stuff there's still
more that i'd like to explore with you
and and get your take on a lot of stuff
too so
let me know when you want to do it again
man we'll make it happen man we'd love
to and yeah let's like plant a seed here
with whoever's listening whoever watches
this like maybe comment what you'd like
to see us kind of go in on and what
topics um
i'd love to talk to you more about how
you've alcoholized your masculine
heritage into what you are now i think
both of us have something to come in
there
um amongst i'm sure some other fun
topics too but yeah i appreciate you
it's been a blessing thanks everybody
for tuning in thank you
rocco moon ladies and gentlemen rocco
thanks for coming on and uh yeah like i
said we'll have to do it again and with
that i'm gonna say peace shalom rocco
we'll do it again bro peace i say peace
bless you
ladies and gentlemen
rocco moon yeah the new just son ted
nugent's son
killing it man killing it uh spiritual
powerhouse i think i uh i i labeled this
episode
pretty cool name
spiritual powerhouse
um brother's really in touch really in
tune got a lot in common a lot more to
explore and um hopefully yeah it'll be a
friendship there'll be some camaraderie
to be some music come out you know
something like that we'll make it happen
um we're not done with this episode yet
guys for those of you who are on patreon
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a guest that we're going to bring in
here in a moment and i'll introduce him
on the other side of this short break
we're going to take a short break and on
the other side listen we're going to
talk about you ufos we're going to talk
about orbs
we're going to talk about ufology and
somebody who's having a lot of
amazing
encounters
here in a minute so make sure you guys
stick with us on the other side of this
break and we'll be right back
wow so the throne room meditation man
this was just like a new level for me of
creating encounter
really the process behind it is going in
for myself having an encounter with the
lord tapping into the spirit and getting
in his presence and really just
petitioning the father's heart and
saying god
what would you say to them if i'm
bringing these people with me here if
they're doing this guided meditation and
we're going through this journey we're
having fun we're seeing things we're
experiencing new feelings and emotions
and sensations
what would you say to him
so it's channeling the father's heart
and relating it back to the people so
man it's just a beautiful encounter and
i remember when i wrote the first one
i was so excited about it and it was
just
god speaking to my heart i was able to
channel the father's heart and i would
read the script to people because i was
just so excited while i was working on
it and every time that i would just read
the script the presence of god would
just invade me and i just burst into
tears and i couldn't even read it i'm
just like let me copy and paste it and
send it to you but every time i listen
to it i'm immediately translated
back into the throne room of god and uh
everything's good there that's the place
where everything is okay where in the
scriptures it says that we are to hide
under the shadow of the almighty this is
the throne room of god this is the place
that we can encounter for ourselves but
this is also a place in which we dwell
so a part of us is always there and we
have access to that now there's people
who have never encountered this before
in their life and it's a totally new
experience for them and almost every
time i get a testimony back from someone
they just say how god wrecked their
lives that they didn't know what they
were getting into the next thing they
know they're in the presence of god
wrapped up in his glory he's
communicating his love to them and it
just totally wrecks their lives so
make sure you check out the throne room
guided meditation visualization that i
brought to the table
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night
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with the true secret podcast my guest is
uh joining me right now but he's having
some audio issues uh see if you can
leave and come back nate which i think
you just did and uh we'll see if we can
hear you get your mic working again
we're gonna be talking about ufos
ufology with something that's near and
dear to my heart um i need to pull these
pictures up just so that i can uh show
you guys who are on stream but
my facebook has been tripping but i had
somebody reach out to me and sent me uh
some
pictures
and videos of ufos
and um
sent them to my um
facebook
and i think i think he's back with us
now
nathan
are you there bro
hey bro can you hear me
um
he sent me these uh
uh pictures
i'm trying to see if i can share them on
this on the stream right quick just
because they're really
really cool but my facebook isn't
loading
but he sent them
to me and was telling me all of these
different experiences that he was having
with ufos and with orbs and
um interesting thing telepathic
communication
and that's something that we cover here
a lot i've been talking about ufology a
lot we've been talking about
um
interviewing people
who
have had continued contact with
lights in the sky and and ufos and and
things of that nature but
they talk about having continued
contact they talked about having
telepathic communication
downloads
and epiphanies
and
who or what they are
remains a mystery for a lot of people
you know they can talk about their
their experience they can talk about
what they think it is
you know
uh but it's really you we get into weird
territory
when when people come
forth and and tell you exactly
what it is
and tell you that i know for a fact that
these are the beings from
zeta reticuli or
the beings from orion
like
you know there's there's some there's
some muddy water there
for a skeptic maybe for you you believe
it you know maybe it's resonated with
something deep down in you when they
said it and then that is truth i don't
know but
a lot of people are having a lot of
different experiences and even though
you know we talk
about
uh ufo and alien abduction and and how
that's being phased out and we don't
even hear those terms being used anymore
we talk about that but
some people
still say it's happening
other people say that you hear
more of people calling themselves
contactees
inexperiencers or
awakeners in those terms that sound like
more fun terms and people are willing it
to happen people are actually going out
into the fields and doing ce5
initiatives
and if you don't know what that is
you go out into an open field you go out
under the night sky
and you ask for a sighting
you ask for
um
a ship to appear or a being to appear we
don't we don't even have to say um
a ship you could say a being because i
think a lot of the stuff that we're
seeing
are actually entities
that these these aren't
plasma ships or
um or not plasma ships because that
plasma ship could be a being as well
they're not nuts and bolt ships
they're not
um
what what people would call
back engineered craft or even or even
physical
craft as far as with occupants in it
but you look into the night sky and you
see
these lights
you see these orbs
you see all of this stuff and
you could be looking at an entity itself
is which
i believe most of the things that i've
seen
have been along that lines has
definitely been
um
entities
nathan i think we're here you know buddy
okay i figured out man
i think there is some sort of bluetooth
uh miscommunication going on there nice
so i'm trying to i'm trying to uh do the
you know lead into the segment and work
audio controls and try to help you get
your mic worked out at the same time but
we're here man so i don't know if you
heard much of what i'm what i'm talking
about but
i get a lot of pictures man i get a lot
of pictures in my inbox and uh hey what
is this and most of the time it's like
uh i don't even see anything um honestly
most of the time it's like a shadow
maybe a it looks like it could be a face
in the shadow or something but uh some
of the the pictures and videos that you
see me were were really
interesting bro and uh i want to i want
to talk to you i want to break it down
hear what you're going through
and your relationship and what you're
experiencing what's going on in your
head i know how it is how long has this
been happening but
yeah what so why did you inbox me and
send me these pictures you've been
listening the podcasts and things like
that
yeah so
i guess i'll take it from like the most
recent and then bring it all the way
back to the past or start from the
beginning and go back to the end from
what i first know
um
so about two years ago um i'm just
outside i'm whittling my own chess set
i'm listening to reggae music i'm sort
of day drinking i'm looking down at an
ant
thinking to myself man this aunt and i
are so much alike man i'm just doing my
thing not even know
what's going on and i'm thinking in the
back of my mind i'm also like god just
looking down on me just ready to take
over if you know like i've always been a
type of you know step over hands help
help spiders out what not and then all
of a sudden i got this feeling come over
me which these feelings happened to me
before
and you know this just like energy like
uh
like a buzzing feeling like this like
energy like electricity almost and then
i look up
i see these you know two balls of light
just spinning around dancing around each
other and i'm thinking oh man i'm glad i
had my phone this time so take my phone
out and i'm recording and
um you know and in the recording i get
you know pretty excited because it is
exciting because i i know what they are
because this is the second time that
it's happened to me
so after i record it and then i
go back and i look at this these videos
you know i call my girlfriend out she's
looking at him too
um
you know it's not just me who see these
seizing scenes so then when you break
the video down slow it down you can see
at least 20 of these smaller just soft
by softball size
brown objects with
what looks like wings
chasing around black rectangles
um that's what i can describe them as um
and then some sometimes you'll see discs
of light
and then as i'm sitting there this uh
you know the sensation comes through
this uh like lightning rod of like just
energy coming surging through the top of
my head out through my body down the
left
out of my leg
and um you know ever since then
um just been searched around trying to
find out what these things are i've
turned to religions
i um you know different religions
um
the quran the quran talks about the jinn
and kareem
um the korean is supposed to be
something that spiritually tied to a
human when it's born trying to get the
human to do bad
deeds i you know it gets
you know really uh
kind of messy when when you look in all
that
um so yeah i've just been
looking around and then i found your
podcast and every time that i hear you
and your experiences and how you said
that you've seen a fleet of them during
the daytime and it basically describes
what i've been seeing and
take that back six years ago the same
incident
happened to me where i seen three fine
objects and
like before it happened you know i was
looking down to my son he's just
in a baby harness and
in front of me i'm just you know hey
we're gonna look out this window we're
gonna see something amazing then i see
these three
balls of light just flying by like real
super high really super fast right
behind each other and i just you know i
thought out and i felt it for my heart i
called out and i said hey where are you
going why don't you come back
and then
in that moment the very last one stopped
in its tracks and it started drifting
towards me
and that's when i jumped on
uh you know the
good old youtube trying to find out whoa
this is crazy because
you know i've seen a ufo before but it's
never been like this
so then that's where you and i were
talking about um where i jumped on and
i'd seen that video of the prophet
yahweh where he summons ufos in front of
the news crew and whoa this is really
cool
um
so before all this happened you know i i
also had a ufo experience where i seen a
big solid black trapezoid craft
um with my friend he was with me at the
time we've both seen it
um kind of just stopped on the
four-wheeler that we're on got off
started walking up to the house looking
at this thing just floating at the back
of my pond we lived up north uh in
atlanta michigan at the time so 20 acres
and this you know this thing was at the
back of the property but it was it was
huge
um so we look down we look back and it's
gone
um well during that time is when my
mom and my dad started telling me
they're like yeah you know i've i've
seen ufos too
and uh the story with my mom was she was
sitting at
you know in her house with
all of her brothers were gone
um out bowling with her dad and
you know she was sitting out in the
living room grandma was downstairs doing
laundry
get this feeling come to the window come
look out the window same basic feeling
that i got my you know that this my
second experience so she finally looked
you know finally had the curiosity to
get up and go look
and like i said it's just like it's not
like a voice or it's just like a feeling
when i feel like they like communicate
it's just like i wouldn't say
someone's voice just just like a feeling
you know that you get that like just
like ah like i know like i don't know
how i know it's just like there
um
and then the the closest thing to these
orbs these light orbs that i can
describe them as
um the best of my knowledge is that my
father
who was adopted um on his communion day
when he first got home
um
his adopted mother and their neighbor
and him were in the basement
not sure what they were doing but
his story was a a ball of light
about
uh bigger bigger than a grapefruit came
in
through the wall it hit his chest it hit
my mother you know my grandma's chest
and then the neighbor's chest and then
it flew out
through the glass block window
so now here i am years later i'm still
trying to find out what these things are
you know i've researched all lightning
you know i
go on the internet you can find old
historic reports of like these flying
objects in the sky in like germany
um you know and then the more recent
ones that are on there you know i'm just
i'm just glad that i'm connecting with
more people who i had no idea
also existed out there who is also
experiencing these same things and i'm
just glad to share with other people and
um
i'm just you know here to learn and find
out what's going on and
connect with you and you know get you
know connect with other like-minded
people and just so that we can
you know all get together and say hey
you know
you're not the only one yeah
for sure and that
you know we hear that all the time of
you're not the only one man like but
that is so powerful when people find out
that they're not crazy
especially going through this
like i i i went i was kind of going
through my awakening at the same time
like
that stuff facilitated awakening
going out under the night sky hey are
you guys out there can i see you
oh wow like yeah that
yeah something's
exists that knows my thoughts and is
communicating and then
it opens up so many questions but then
friends would disappear like oh am i
crazy am i really experiencing this or
did i make it all up in my head and what
i believe showed itself to me there's a
there's a another rabbit trail that
could be possible but
for you um
when you started out like
did you uh
this happened out of nowhere for me i
seen prophet yahweh first
but it was around the same time of doing
some ufo studying and stuff and then i
saw prophet yahweh when i seen that it
was like
yeah i'm gonna do that
like so it's like prophet yahweh came
first and then some some biblical study
too to make sure that it was safe and
just studies on the angels and how they
travel and could this be angelic because
the christian realm says no it's demons
man be careful you guys are waving at
demons asking demons to come back and
say hey to me and my son so you can't
even talk to them they're closed down to
the entire conversation so it's like
well who else do i talk to i got to go
on some podcast and and have a
conversation with people which is what i
did
i called in the mini podcast
and interviewed and started my own
podcast where i got to interview those
people for in long form
um
was this like a first time experience
when you've seen it or did you watch a
movie did you
hear about someone who summoned ufos or
angels that are watching you in the sky
or anything like that at first that
planted the thought that could
sprout
you know i i grew up
without tv um the
coolest show i ever watched was the
closest colors of the third kind which i
seen young um
you know i
you know i didn't think too much of it
you know et scared me when i first seen
that i turned that off yeah
so you know i
grew up with like christian um based
family and you know i i've always often
thought you know
that you know i'm just
and god's god and i i don't
you know i know that there's there's god
and angels and so when when all this
started happening like i've
you know
i've just been informed and you know
read my bible and
you know just i stopped going to church
all because of you know
i guess you know kona on sundays and not
the sabbath and you know just certain
you know things that people would you
know just it was more of oh i'm doing
this like you said just to be doing it
to follow other people and then i
realized you know from reading on my own
learning on my own
and then from
the moment that you know they got their
closest to me because you know in this
video is the closest that they've ever
been and from when they they touched me
that that's when i've kind of like
went kind of like you did it's like i
got to go to the preacher and like oh
i'm going to go there and then he's
going to look at me like like what are
you like
where do i go to and then i
actually i found a pagan temple that i
went you know asked questions because i
i felt that they'd be like more adverse
and um
you know the
this first meeting i went there
um one of the leaders there
uh he said that
you know i wanted there's um archangel
michaels here and he says that
you are one of theirs and we need to
watch out for you
and so that got me thinking and and
you know i just i really think
that these have to be some sort of
angelic beings these light orbs like i'm
sure that
there's man-made stuff out there um but
these things that i'm seeing and
encountering and other
they're they're fluid they move and they
they work together they communicate
together and it's a back and forth like
open exchange
of ideas when like you're around them
and um
i've just i don't know i kind of lost
track of yeah
um
so the ones you're seeing because you
you know they look like little lights i
guess from far away but there was other
ones maybe there's something something
different but
something was translucent something that
you can you could see through and
remember
i said it looks kind of like a bubble
because it was like you can just see
a reflection now we got to understand
too that beings
spirits
and
whether ufos are actually
ships or they are beings themselves like
i think a lot of times what i've seen
they're actual entities right they seem
alive they don't like their inner a
vehicle driving by it feels like what
you're seeing a lot of times is
something that's alive right and it's
communicating with you and
um but you was able to see through it
but those beings and ghosts and they
have the ability to cloak
to kind of like
into cloak it would give the appearance
of of being translucent of being
see-through or whatever so that you see
what's behind it and we we even have
technology now that that does something
similar to that you know
um
the the thing that you saw that that was
see-through during the day and everybody
he's got videos and pictures of all of
this and and if we can i'll like to link
it on on my website and but then you
know link it back to you just so people
can go there and look at this footage
and actually look at the pictures but
i seen something at night that was like
that like i'm looking like with
stargazing and looking at ufos most of
the time they're they were like out of
the atmosphere they're just little
pieces of rice like little lights
that you gotta focus oh there's one but
then like
there's one a little bit lower or one
comes down you know and uh they go in
and out of stars and i'm like watching
like highways in the stars and stuff and
uh and as i'm focusing way out there
this
orb that is see-through this big ball
um similar to what you showed
in the video like at night i seen the
sil i seen the outline of it but you
could see through it and it was flying
right above the tree line so as as i'm
looking way out there just right here in
the peripherals this big thing
what the heck
and you could see through it so i've
seen something similar
and i've asked james gillin and he talks
about seeing things that look like
balloons that you can see through but
they're actual
entities and stuff
yeah yeah so um
there's this uh
there's this goddess called her kate uh
she goes around with like torches so you
know i i even thought that
this thing the
i'm gonna send you the video and when
the video first starts off you'll notice
two large
orbs just
stationary right above my rooftop
um you know and then i pan the camera up
to where these things are then you watch
me watching these things and you know in
them
like
with my eyes i can just see the two
moving around i don't notice all these
other ones going zipping out and then
when you see the video you can see it
and you you'll see
these orbs go from one side of the
screen all the way to the other
and
you don't see them the travel you'll
just see them in this spot and then
they're in this spot and then when you
slow it down there's actually there's a
smoke
like ring like a smoke circle where this
thing has gone through a cloud
and it's quite amazing and you can hear
it i think when my voice starts saying
oh my god no no way
like that's when i first noticed it
and then um
yeah they
they definitely can
change shapes
change size
to me i think that they can
group up together as in you know groups
and
i don't know if these
if these two things they were looking
around were the eyes of a bigger
creature
um you know looking around surveying the
area and then these other orbs were like
the children
you know flying around
you know it's you've got so you've got a
couple theories and some stuff in in in
a lot of uh ancient uh renaissance art
which i love
i love the ancient renaissance art that
show ufos
and there's some that show
and a lot of people talk about maybe
there's a mother ship and that those
little
the little ones a lot of people say
they're like drones
that they just kind of go out in and and
survey
and either bring back information or
they can see through them from this
craft and things like that or god can
see through them like there's some
really interesting um renaissance art
that even shows that and people who who
believe that now
um also you mentioning like this this
rod that kind of hit you like a beam of
of light that was like a knowledge that
came through like a download
communicating with you there's
renaissance art of that
one coming from like a cloud and it has
a dove on it as well so it's like going
through a dove i guess representation uh
you know
representing the holy spirit but it's
hitting this
lady in the head so it's like
she's being enlightened and she's
receiving a transmission from the stars
from the clouds and uh and we talk about
telepathic communication it's like wow
they were drawing this stuff in early
renaissance art and it's all throughout
christendom as well so
one of the things you said that looked
like this interesting that you said they
look like they were fighting or like
erasing like
black
the little black rods that's interesting
too like they're like
spiritual warfare or something or
negative entities that are trying to
invade an atmosphere that they came to
clean it up or something and you just
got to see it you know
yeah definitely you know i i've been
wanting to get my video onto like a
professional grade like editing system
so that we can blow it up
zoom in slow it down like super duper
slow like i would love it to be
professionally analyzed and like
taken even further and see because like
you know i can just like piece together
what's going on and you know that you
know
the way that my camera works and
that you know what when the things are
spinning around like you can literally
see things coming out and then when you
slow it down like frame by frame and
then you stream it together you can just
you can see
these white balls with
what looks like wings chasing these you
know like smaller rectangle things
around you know i don't know if they're
chasing now or what what they're doing
but
and um
what you talked about when you said you
know the holy spirit you know i've even
said
you know
this these are either aliens
angels spirits or i've just seen the
holy ghost itself
and
that's really cool that you mentioned
that yeah so um
and one of the things you were sharing
with me in in the messages as well which
is cool and i'm sure you can appreciate
that i said it earlier in the interviews
i'm a skeptic
you know what i'm saying and and i know
you are too you told me in the message
you said you want you don't
you don't want to just see a light in
the sky oh it's a ufo everybody because
you can be fooled it could be a plane
like there's some interesting planes out
there there's some interesting lights in
the sky that are satellites and if
you've seen the stuff uh you know spacex
put out there like if you've seen that
like that would
you would swear that it was a fleet of
ufos as well like you want to make sure
that it's not something that
that uh that you want to see and so the
first light in the sky you think it's i
think it's that and that can happen too
but it's like the more that you're
trying to like
you want the real thing so you're not
going to fall for something like you
know birds chasing each other well let's
we got to rule it out we need to study
and make sure that this isn't
my camera not using autofocus and it's
really birds or or bugs
there's a lot of that that goes on the
internet bugs and and night vision
goggles that that light up and people
are thinking their fairies and
things like that so when when you
approach it you have to be a skeptic
because that's what that's how you get
your answers
you know because you don't want to you
you don't want just somebody to say
like not being a skeptic would just be
going to the pastor and the pastor said
oh yeah those are demons just don't
worry about them don't focus on them
it's like hold on i'm not that doesn't
seem right
but just taking his answer okay they're
demons everybody like hold on i don't
think it's right i'm gonna keep digging
because i wanna i don't you know and so
i i honor that in another seeker you
know what i'm saying especially when it
comes to this because you've been in
groups that you said they post rant like
crappy videos and ce5 stuff that's like
i'm not sure that's what that is
right yeah i'm not sure maybe you've
heard of this gentleman he's really cool
i think he's been on the history and
discovery channel his name's jeff
woolwine
um not right off he did
yeah um
and he does stuff like with the
petroglyphs that you know the stone
carvings that are written in the stones
by the the indian the native americans
um
and you know i've reached out to him and
you know he's he's taking a look at the
video and and i like i said i i i really
would like to get my video to the
experts and
you know have them even
break it down a little bit further for
me so that i could better
you know understand who i am
why i am
and the the download thing i don't like
to share
you know the whole
everything
of the download but i mean because i
don't want people to think oh you're
just saying that because of this that
you know it's
you know the feelings that i got were
a
um
you know
yahweh is upset that his people are
being deceived
into thinking that sundays are the
sabbath okay and
the second thing is that there's no
you know
reason for me
to personally you know consume me
anymore and that it'd be you know best
for my diet to uh you know switch to a
more plant-based
um thing for for some reason and um
you know from there that's all i've been
you know searching for is more answers
more clues and connecting with more
friends who are also interested and
i didn't
i didn't know anything about ce5
and you know i got into c5 and then i
found junior podcasts and
i've just i really liked your stuff man
very grateful that you invited me out
it's good to meet you it's good i'm glad
you're on here sharing your story and
um
let people know that they're not alone
but i mean at this point you know
there's a lot of information out there
with ce5 initiative and the
documentaries and
uh the close encounters of the fifth
kind uh project that that stephen greer
put out which is really cool
they caught a lot of cool stuff on on
camera um
so
the the thing that you you mentioned
also about
you know going going vegetarian
that was one of the downloads i got as
well
while
stargazing was if you wanted to continue
this
then you need to work on your diet and
meditate more your diet was you got to
eliminate meat now again for me i don't
i'm not hard on that for a lot of people
but like when you when you want to dig
in and you want to have those encounters
and experiences and
see some really cool stuff then it's
going to take some kind of an action to
do it and getting a lot of that stuff
out of your body i think is part of it
so that you can receive so that you can
hear and and they can approach you even
i wrote a book i don't know if you
checked my book out yet but i actually
you know i actually detailed that part
of ufology and angelic contact with the
diet and kind of give examples and in
the bible where daniel would go on a
fast and i had some really interesting
synchronicities uh behind it as well but
that was one of the main
messages as if this is some profound
what did they tell you well they told me
to stop eating me you know that kind of
thing they told me to quit going to
sunday sabbath you know i was like oh
most of the times
some of it could even be personal so we
got to make sure that we're not
projecting on people like our own
our own uh
uh sanctification if you will that we
need to better ourselves and we need to
do this or we need to stop that and then
it becomes a message that we force on
people or say that god says it or
whatever the case is so you also you
always have to watch out for that um
but i had a lot of synchronicities and
there's a lot of biblical examples and a
lot of eastern examples about cleaning
your diet and it was one thing that they
said if you wanted to to
to go deeper and to keep it up and and
honestly ever since i heard that it's
been a struggle to uh to do it you know
but it was like listen when you when
you're ready to get serious
like we know it's a struggle you know so
this will this will show us that you're
serious because we know how addicted you
are to food we know how
you know how much you love it and it was
something that
you have to address in any spiritual
walk is eventually you have to address
your diet and whether it's cutting out
meat or eating kosher or whatever the
case is
yeah yeah definitely like uh
i don't know for a long time
i just feel guilty you know any time
that i was eating meat and it got to the
point where the only thing i was eating
was chicken and
even for thanksgiving day you know i
upset my whole family just like man why
are we doing this yeah it's so cruel
guys why are you doing that i'm like i
know i don't want to do this i'm just
doing it because
that's what you guys made me think that
i had had to do and like i just like
woke up and i was like oh you know i
don't need to actually do this anymore
and
uh just
you know
i don't just
oh people say like waking up or awaken
but
it's just like like a light bulb went
off like your eyes are just a little bit
more open you know it's not like being
awake
it's just like understanding more i
guess it's like if these things can go
around
being pure energy
based on you know based on electricity
what are they made out of electrolytes
like if they can fly and they're made
out of
they don't need to eat me i want to fly
too like my number one thing was like oh
maybe i'll make friends fridge with
these guys maybe they'll maybe if i
focus real hard they'll make me levitate
like i do my dreams all the time
well the possibilities are endless man
and you can't let somebody say oh that's
silly like no it's silly to you
to me it's it's a possibility and the
bible says that whatsoever a man
thinketh in his heart so shall it be
like if you have the faith to believe it
then why not try and not let anybody
rain on that parade because here you are
flying around town or flying in your
home it's not so far out of the books
the there's
stories of of
the the priest
that used to do it the you know the
early early christian mystics
their stories of them hovering and
flying and the flying nun and so
no like that's that stuff is
somewhere it got lost you know and i
think a lot of this information of who
they are and our involvement with them
whether they're angels or guardians or
whatever
uh
that knowledge got lost so for me
it it it when it started happening it
just fueled my awakening was like
we're not alone that was one thing and
that heaven is real like you know that
because for me i would see these things
traveling back and forth from heaven to
earth like i would see them come out of
a star or come out of orion
and my and for me there's a lot of
information about orion being a portal
to what we would call heaven like that's
how you get to heaven is through orion
and
things and uh stars are created and
birthed out of orion almost it looks
like everything is actually coming out
of the orion horsehead nebula a lot of
research a lot a lot of amazing art even
in ancient art
about orion
horsehead nebula is hidden in a lot of
ancient iconography which is awesome
but it made it real
you know the angels weren't just some
idea or heaven is not an idea but like
there's when the bible says that michael
travels back and forth from heaven to
earth like it wasn't lying like they are
watching over humanity and the cosmos
and
all types of beings that are out there
um
and it just awakens something within you
a possibility it got in my music it got
in my art it got in my studies
you know and it
it made me better it made me more loving
it made me more tolerable it made me
less of a know-it-all and more of a
child that just approaches awe and
wonder with life in in the cosmos and
astrology and astronomy and stargazing
and
grounding and it wasn't just that it
leads to so taking care of your body
your body is the temple of the holy
spirit the bible says why would you
defile your temple with things that
you're putting in it whether it's
processed foods or
or meats or whatever it is for each
individual like at least eat kosher you
know what i'm saying like you can eat
maybe try that start somewhere
um
but it opened up a lot of stuff for me
you know
and i know it does for a lot of people
yeah yeah definitely
yeah definitely
yeah
would you simply see the prophet yahweh
video did you have you already seen that
before or
no i had not seen that before i
i got onto that
and then it led to flat earth and then
it led to concave earth
i'm like i'll jump on the i'll i'll jump
on the concave earth
there's a website that i helped restore
that that um
helped me when i was going through a lot
of this stuff with the with the bible
and stuff too it's actually it's called
bibleufo.net
and so there's a ton of bible verses and
stuff about anomalies that
things that could be ufos in the bible
the chariots of fire the cloud by day
the fire by night
voices coming out of clouds and we know
that
ufos come like go in and out of clouds
to hide their presence they hang out in
clouds and and it was even we talk about
downloads in in telepathic like it was
like i was told that chemtrails or how
they blocked them out when there's going
to be a lot of traffic with ufos that
the
the government or whoever will spray
chemtrails and cloud seed to where
there's a perfect perfectly clear day
and then within an hour
there's cloud coverage as far as you can
see because of the uh the uh
contrails or chemtrails whatever you
want to call them that just make a
blanket where you can't see above a
certain height
um
i've also got gotten the downloads where
uh
i've seen the orbs
or it wasn't really
there were lights in in the day uh
something was like reflecting off of
them it seemed like though during the
day like maybe the sun was reflecting on
it just so it made it bright so i can
see it
and uh and a jet was flying towards it
i saw the jet first
and it told me
that jet is flying over here to
scare us away so i looked exactly where
that jet was coming i looked
while i was driving my truck and looked
way on the other side and there it was
a jet was headed right towards that
shiny orb in the middle of the sky
during the day and as soon as i seen it
it caught that
bright glimmer it
hey i just want you to see it and then
poop it was gone
yeah
oh my god that's insane how did i know
that
it's like an inner knowing it's very
strange
and your whole body will start tingling
too yeah um yeah and i know what you
mean about i've got like so many videos
where i'm zooming in on something like a
zoom in and oh yeah it's it's a balloon
oh i'm glad i got this this camera in
here to figure it out
but
you'll know
when
they are them
because of how they're responding to
your thoughts
and
and or getting your attention
it's not gonna you know if you're
sitting there paying attention oh look
you know what's that but
when
when you get that feeling
when when i'm in the back of the house
vacuuming with my son just
on my chest looking down to him saying
ben you want to go look at the window
we're going to see something amazing and
then you go out and do it or sit in
there whittling and you get this
funny feeling and like five minutes
later you see them it's like you know
when you know when you know when you see
them because i got to just have that
feeling who uh went through a lot of
this stuff with me he on the christopher
macklin episode he jumped in on the end
of it i know you said you heard that one
but the one we just did with christopher
macklin my buddy uh the voice
who uh stephen cook i do a lot of music
with him he's talk we you know we put
the stuff in our music you know we talk
about
telepathic communication and seeing
light ships and on wonder and child we
talk about it changed our lives man
and um
he talks about he gets that knowing i
don't really get that no more as far as
like step outside and look up like i
don't it doesn't it's not that clear for
me anymore like it was at first there
was a lot of it but he gets it now and
he walks outside and they look straight
up and they see him and it's like an
inner knowing hey go outside and look up
or when you go to your car look up and
every time he does like he always sees
them
you know definitely
definitely um
you know really cool that's
same experiences here and then i'll also
tie in to the fact that once i've
started
realizing that they're there i started
realizing more of the world that was
going around me like i
said with the synchronicities
um things tying in together
like
you know i'll say something about
you know
you know the
you know ice cream shop
parking lot needs to be fixed the very
next uh or within that week
that you know they had somebody out
there surveying it and getting it
repaired yeah you know and like
you said like you know ted nugent you
know came across your feed and the next
thing you're talking to his son yeah
it's like really really cool and when he
was talking he noticed those things now
when when when rocco was talking a while
ago like
he was saying there was a moment towards
the end why just started smiling
and he wasn't like it wasn't
he wasn't saying nothing profound per se
but to me it was because
i've had this same conversation with
three four different people uh in the
last two weeks in the analogies that
we're using and
he said stuff that another
you know everything he was saying is
stuff that you don't really hear all the
time
or maybe since you were little or
whatever and then now somebody's echoing
that back to you enough to where it gets
your attention
and that's that what they want to do
what synchronicity is to get your
attention
i think even with the ships there i i
don't see many ships anymore you know
but it's like hold on they still have my
attention like i needed to show you the
ships i needed to show you the fleets to
get your attention now
going through meditation and let's
connect you know because the more
revelation and the more the deeper you
go into it there's some really
interesting stuff that comes
um
so much so that
that like
you couldn't even explain it if you
wanted to
you couldn't explain it so we just get
pieces of it and we have fun
remembering and waking each other up but
if we tried to really explain it
like these beings pop it i've been there
they're time travelers they they hold
the fabric of reality together in this
existence like they are the
gods right they are watching over
humanity they have the ability to
to do whatever like they are the gods of
the bible not they're not bad they're
good like they're they're angelic
they're benevolent like they're you know
watching over this that this experiment
or earth whatever this this existence is
you know goes through its awakening
process
just like a lot of people are awakening
within themselves and having spiritual
awakenings when enough people begin to
have a similar awakening well the
collective is waking up it's not just
you anymore it was just you
until you found out that you're not
alone and there's people all across the
globe having the same encounter
wrecking their lives and now they're
more loving and now they're more caring
and they they're
you know and and they're facilitating
and they're doing it by many different
means it's not even just stargazing like
it is meditation it is
some somebody maybe ayahuasca or dmt or
whatever or just you know it's different
means but the message is usually the
same
be mindful enjoy life
don't take things too seriously
hug your son you know these kind of
things just to be mindful in the moment
and and everything
spiritual should reflect that not to
take you out of this ex existence but
remind you to be lucid in the dream hey
man
you know
10 years from now you're going to wish
you had that moment that you you missed
you know time flies man and you only you
only i don't know about reincarnation i
don't know if we come back as something
else as a bug or as a lamp or i don't
know if i was a king in a past life i do
know who i am right here today in this
existence and and my voice and my breath
and my heartbeat and and i'm here and i
don't need to waste it and i need to be
present and mindful and not even be even
lofty because spirituality could be an
escapism ufos are escapism
i'm telling you there's people who make
up stories in these fields and tell you
that
they tell you all kinds of stuff so
trying to decipher the truth in the
midst of a lot of this stuff is it's
very hard when there's a lot of
narratives and a lot of trauma going on
so i appreciate you
you know bringing what you what you did
and what you do to the table and and
where it leads you and
you know people need what you got i
don't have any videos i don't have any
any pictures i want to but i don't you
know so when i was able to see yours i
was like hey that's awesome because i've
seen a lot of similar stuff
definitely
yeah uh i don't know if you can edit out
my voice in it
my voice sounds ridiculous at the video
but oh i'll like i'll tag your name in
the original video and i don't know if
it i don't know if like sometimes when i
upload stuff on facebook it's not like
the actual height definition so maybe
like i'll send it to you okay
but yeah and then use uh use something
like we transfer or something
and you can just upload the raw files
even if they're still on your phone or
your computer or whatever so you can use
wii transfer to send large files send
them to me um
or if you want to upload them to
something else but i'll take a look at
them i mean i do i do video editing as
well but i'm not an expert of like
obviously i can slow stuff down i can
put like a you know
uh make it just black and white you know
you can do there's so much that you can
do i guess what the so-called experts
are going to do like i can do it i guess
so
yeah send them to me i'd love to take a
look at it
yeah
i think my iphone just got this update
where i can record the screen so i i
didn't know that before but yeah before
i was sitting there like going like
trying to scrub through it click a
screenshot
go a little bit further click the
screenshot but now i can just
record the whole thing and just move my
thumb really slowly
yeah i mean doing that and even just
uploading it to youtube you can send the
raw footage and just name it ufo
sighting and boom you're like people are
looking and when they find the footage
like oh wow i seen something similar and
that's how we evolve like it's how like
i've seen so many things i've seen like
triangle
big triangle ships and stuff that looks
like stingrays like i've seen all kind
of
dude like i told you i've seen fleets
you know the bars
they light and then the bar then they
disappear and
so much stuff that yeah we need
everybody's input you know we need all
the footage you know because the
government's not going to tell you what
it is you got to make an assessment you
got to be able to figure it out yourself
so definitely
all right brother well i'ma go ahead and
jump off here man thanks for hanging out
and uh you're welcome to join anytime we
we do a
podcast and go live man but uh thanks so
much for coming on and sharing with me
and we got to get get connected get you
on my discord too i know you said you
didn't know what discord was right
yeah yeah i sent i'll send you a link
it's a chat app with uh you can send
pictures and videos and stuff on there
it's just a chat app like its own little
kind of social media thing or whatever
but
i'll send you a link to check it out
uh if people if if people want to
contact you if they if they have stories
and they resonate with what you're
sharing are you open for people to
message you and things like that where
can they find you
yeah um you know just finding out with
the ce5 initiative i i made my own ce5
detroit group
um so if you know if you want to touch
base with me there that they can i just
change the group name it's facebook.com
groups slash ce5
detroit
and you're the admin of that group
yes all right nathan that's what you're
looking out for
all right man
uh enjoyed it brother and uh we'll we'll
connect again thanks so much for hanging
out man
yeah by the way this is like you know
really cool i got to actually talk to
you in real life yeah yeah don't talk to
be on your show it's really cool though
really really nice meeting you you're a
real cool guy thank you man i'm glad you
that you resonate with with the the
podcast and and the music and the book
and all that listen i'm i'm like you i'm
no different you know i'm saying i'm
trying to figure this stuff out myself
and we need each other so
enjoyed it brother
yeah we'll talk to you soon bye-bye
peace
all right that's it ladies and gentlemen
a real seeker
real deal see jordan maxwell says
one of my teachers
never trust the person who claims to
have all the truth
but you can always trust the person
who's seeking truth
and you talk about something resonating
down to your core
that resonates
you know again we're talking about
proselytizing people sharing their
not sharing their message but like
trying to force their message
upon you force jesus on you force
religion on it don't work man stop it
stop it
you ever heard the song about green day
called when i come around
i've heard it all before don't knock
down my door like listen
when i come around you're gonna know
like you can't force anything on any
anybody
but
let people live their life tom has a way
of
helping people come around when they
come around
uh people who are seeking versus people
who are sharing people who are
trying to force you their truths it has
this weird thing we we kind of got in
just a little bit of psychology behind
it why people do that why do christians
do this because
you know the idea that they think
they're helping because you're going to
hell so we got to tell you you're not
um
or vegans are like listen you don't know
how you don't know what off how awful it
is and when it comes to proselytizing in
a movement
vegan there's a joke about vegans it's
like how do you know somebody's a vegan
because they tell you
oh my god i just found christ oh my god
oh my god i just became a vegan oh my
god oh my god you know what they're
gonna tell you
and that's your zap you're
zealous you become a zealot
the bible has you said you have a zeal
without knowledge
you're excited
you're ambitious but it's just
it ain't harnessed it ain't it isn't it
isn't well rounded or polished and
you're like a pig in a parlor there's a
book on that
you're knocking stuff over
you know
it comes this this moment of where you
can just
you can just be
you don't have to win the conversation
you don't have to win the narrative
a lot of people come on here and i'll
share a point or whatever and they know
like cut me off or whatever in mid
sentence and no no that's not what it is
this is what the truth is
okay
cool
i understand that's what your truth is
sure
but uh you don't know me
you don't know me people listening
and you just share
and you be okay and be okay with it
hey listen i understand why that you
think that's the only way because it's
what's work
it's because it's what's worked for you
or
you just put out a book on it you're
trying to sell books that say this is
the only way
right so like what if christians
what happens when christians say that
there's there's many ways
well they don't have the corner of the
market anymore on
eternity because now you can have jesus
and you can have buddha now you can have
jesus and
whatever it is nothing
you know so
for them it takes it takes away their
proselytized
what what gospel do they share you know
a lot of a lot of christian
universalists eventually get there
i think i think in the end
most christians will become universalist
and understand that the power of god of
the gospel in christ was so strong that
there's no way that any
soul any light any person could resist
it even if they wanted to
like and so every so love wins and
everybody gets into heaven everybody is
christ died for everybody before the
foundations of the earth the lamb was
slain
before before you even knew you were
centered like you've already been
justified and made whole once you
understand that you become like a
christian universalist oh yeah where
everybody gets in so from for a lot of
people that idea
scares them because okay if i'm not
saving them from hell what am i saving
them from
the revelation is is that you're not
saving them from an eternal hell any
eternal damnation
i'm not worried about those people dying
and going to hell for eternity anymore
to me they don't exist
i
am worried about the people who are in
hell right now
just like jesus was the prostitute
the tax collector
the demon-possessed man he wasn't
studying about that man dying and going
to hell he said this man is in hell
right now
and i have the ability to set him free
and get him out of that hell
and let him
not just get into heaven when he dies
but i have the ability to let heaven get
inside of him
once you understand that that's the
gospel that's what he did jesus was the
gospel this one like he died death
burial resurrection his gospel yeah that
but his life what he did do what he did
just do what he did and that's good news
people don't get that
people don't get it
um
it's that simple
and that's the news that you have to
offer
whether it's proselytizing or just
simply sharing
simply sharing it's good news people
it's good news
uh
raquel says
i used to know this vegan girl who says
that you can't be a yogi and eat meat
but she got an abortion at playing
parenthood i deleted her contact
it's these it's these schisms it's like
again you know we went back to saying
like when people project onto you
and they say yeah you you can't be a
yogi and eat meat you didn't know that
right
you say you're a yogi and you're
spiritually enlightened
but you're not because you can't do both
at the same time no that's the
mind blown in your head why
what we said earlier
you can
you can't be a yogi and eat me not me
because i'm showing you i'm showing you
that i'm a yogi and i'm showing you that
i eat meat
and i can show you better than i can
tell you
you can't be a yogi and eat meat
christians can't be into astrology it's
against the bible
you want a bet
i'm a christian
and i dig i dig astrology like the bible
is full of astrology
the bible is pure astrology
astro theology
the bible
talks about orion it talks about the
pleiades it talks about the four fixed
signs of the zodiac it talks about the
zodiac it's actually called the mazeroth
like it doesn't use that word again you
gotta break the language down and see
what what what is a maseratis i've never
heard that term
break it down oh it's the zodiac it's
ezekiel's wheel
it's a wheel inside of a wheel that
passes through all the houses like come
on
you can't be a christian and do that
want to bet i just did it
you can't be a christian that cussed me
out want to bet i just did it
it's like
you can't because you got this duality
in your head
that that separates you no it's a
oneness
and it's beautiful
there's beauty in the blueprint there's
magic in the mayhem
everything comes together a conglomerate
and it's a beautiful picture
you gotta have gradients you gotta have
blacks you gotta have whites
you have some color in there
life is about contrast it isn't about
hard right or hard left we talk about
this all the time with religion
it's not about your religion or your
denomination that is right because you
got a lot of flaws that you need to work
on
you got a lot of things that you you you
avoid you fail to look at you fail to
see
and that's one of your flaws it's not
about your religion it's not about that
religion it's somewhere in the middle
politics it's not about right or left
people
it's somewhere in the middle the truth
is in the middle that's when the bible
talks about the narrow path of the
believer
that there's a narrow path that you must
follow
it's the highway of holiness spoke about
in the old testament
it is narrow what's that mean it's not
too far left
it's not too far right
it's there's balance it's somewhere in
the middle
so i'm not touching your disgusting
judgments i rise above it illuminati
congo awaken
says that's my approach too i don't
care if people take or leave what i say
people can be way too touchy sometimes
though when i might explain something
not common like i believe in hell
i've been i've been there right it's not
a negative thing i'm glad it exists
right it's the polarity
like what if what if you
if you were
born in a in a a a room or a box or
a place where there is no
darkness there's always light
you begin to take that light for granted
because it's always there
and that's people in your life too you
take people in your life for granted
because they they're they're always
there you've never imagined never
fathomed them not existing
until they're gone
so you don't appreciate
that light
until somebody turns the light off
or to you sat in darkness
and those who sat in darkness
beheld a great light
someone or something turns that light on
for you and now you're appreciative of
something that you took for granted the
light
or maybe even giving your eyes or your
pupils a rest and be sitting in darkness
so you can meditate so you can collect
your thoughts there's so much
stimuli like i gotta sleep with the
lights on you know like if you sleep
with the lights on
that's not really sleeping your body's
not all the way going through all the
processes of of shutting down when you
still have light and tvs on in your room
and stuff like that like there's science
behind that
so you need both you need
darkness you need
light you need sunlight you need it all
you're connected as above so below
as within so without
everything exists for a reason
everything can claim itself everything
has the yin and yang it has the
beautiful part and has the nasty part
but don't judge either or don't judge
the holy man and give him the thumb up
because that holy man is a holy man
usually for a reason because he used to
do some treacherous stuff
he used to he used to be ruthless
all these movies like you see the the
hero who was like
a reformed
villain
negan
you guys know who negan is walking dead
you don't want to make negan mad he's a
good guy now
if he ain't caught up negan's a good guy
he's reformed
but
when somebody pisses negan off
and they hurt women and children
oh my god you're dead he's going to kill
you like negan is an og he was a villain
he got reform he learned the error of
his ways but that beast is still within
him
there's sometimes he needs to let the
beast come out
sometimes it's the yin and the yang to
say that you're reformed and you're not
that person anymore listen it's one
thing he's back
negan's back
you got a negan inside of you
you have an angel and a demon you have
the higher in the lower nature both
exist you have to choose love you have
to choose to walk in the spirit you have
to be mindful
the power exists because you have free
will to choose what you want to do with
life
and how you want to respond
it's awesome
everything works together for your good
the light in the dark the good the bad
the ugly the in-between listen
it's good stuff
there's a light at the end of the tunnel
whether you're satin and sitting in
darkness
everything works together for your
good remember that
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with that i'm gonna say peace and shalom
we're gonna do it again
tomorrow's thursday listen we got
another talk do you guys want to know
who it is just so you know what the next
episode is
um
just so you don't know what's coming up
next let me pull this calendar up and
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know we got somebody tomorrow
michael goddard listen tomorrow we're
going to be talking about a guy
who
has
mastered the now moment
the beauty of the now moment
kind of like eckhart tolle right but
what is that is everything we talked
about tonight
remembering be alive in the now not
tomorrow not yesterday you living in the
past sir
you got you got some beautiful ideas for
the future but you're not making any
impact now bring both of those to the
moment
where fusion happens
so this guy
michael goddard is going to talk about
the beauty of the now moment also
a lot of this stuff came to him
through past life regressions
figuring out
who he was in past lives i think he says
he had 18 past lives
interesting you guys know i'm a skeptic
i'm gonna treat him with love honor and
respect and hopefully there's some
proofs hopefully he makes me out of
believer because that would be really
cool
to know that you have the ability to
choose to come back if you like
not that i want to or if i ever would
but just to know that these other people
aren't lying to me on my podcast
i love you guys we'll do it again very
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