Off The Grid  Born At Home  No Doctors, No Medicine, Nothing  SA115  Samuel McCray
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before I do let me just give a little
bit of background to maybe what you're
gonna hear in this conversation today
this is a friend of mine we go back many
years now and being a truck driver in
the past in having long days and being
on the phone
three-way conversations with me and two
other brothers or you know sometimes
five or six people on the phone seven
eight we'd have so many people on the
phone we get into prayer we'd pray for
one another we discuss the Bible you
know just do life together on the phone
man and so we would do that we'd have
deep conversations and I would say man I
wish we had this stuff recorded you know
people there's some meat in these
conversations and yeah this would be a
good radio show or something so that was
back and I would say like we started
having those conversations early on
maybe 2008 or before but um started the
podcast the awakening podcast about 2010
and it was just like a radio show and
blog talk radio so we would basically
have those conversations that we had on
the phone we just move them to a public
platform open up the phone line for
anybody who had something to add to the
table and many times those same people
would call in so that's what you're
gonna hear because the guests today
Samuel McCray he was definitely there
for the majority of those conversations
so we had we're gonna reminisce we're
gonna catch up I haven't talked to him
at some time we've done a lot of music
together over the years but I'm excited
to have this conversation Samuel McCray
welcome to the truth seeker podcast my
friend what is up it's good to be here
do you remember those those
conversations bro those how can you
forget they shaped your adolescence
as homeschool teenager with nothing
better to do and stay on the phone all
day with the guy in his 20s oh yeah oh
right I would have we would have Church
man we like yeah well we you know me me
and you would have long conversations
you know ourselves but we would have
we'd have seven eight people on the
phone you know just all over the world
people chiming in with us you know and
those early conversations man so that's
it and now people are doing it full-time
I'm doing it full-time
yeah I'm having those phone
conversations full-time now you know
it's great look at God yeah I just want
to honor you man you know our friendship
man what you mean to me
you know give some background about your
life and your character and I will say
this so like you know when I was going
through a lot of my stuff figuring out
who I was and what this what what is
ministry what is what this Christianity
looked like what is this thing that God
has called me to there was a lot of back
and forth and most of that stuff was
public I was on Facebook I mean going
back and forth really double-minded over
many situations trying to figure out who
I was and then wanting to still be
accepted by my peers Samuel was there he
was a friend there were there were times
where I'm trying to figure out my own
philosophy my own belief systems and I
was be on the phone with Samuel and I
would throw ideas off of him and I would
say to myself I would even tell him okay
I know this is gonna be too deep for you
after I tell you this you're gonna
unfriend me you're gonna be like all the
rest of them who have said you know all
of this crazy stuff about me once I tell
you this and there were different
biblical truths that I had come to a
believer or whatever whether it was like
who Lucifer really was according to the
Bible I know that was a big one at a
time and these things but you know there
was nothing I could tell Samuel that
would drive him away and I kind of felt
like I I got used to people leaving that
I was getting ready for Samuel as a
friend to just say I just do true
seekers he's out of it you know because
you know many people having those
conversations at gospel rap concerts and
ministry events and Samuel was there he
was they would talk to him and stuff
he stayed he stayed uh a close friend to
me man like the Bible says showing
long-suffering
one who really walks with the Lord so I
want to commend you bro and that to this
day man has meant the world to me bro so
publicly I want to say thank you for
that bro
well thank you man thank you yeah now
that that definitely I recall those days
very well and I remember mutual
acquaintances I'll bump into and they'd
be like hey so you still talk to Derrick
so what's going on with him and and and
I mean like there were times where I
even I was like I just don't know if
this is like really like a good
direction or whatever but not anytime
that people would ask or whatever be
like nah man he's just I mean cuz the
the whole time I can say I can publicly
say that through everything I've been
able to always be able to see your heart
for for God for reaching out to people
for ministering to people or whatever
and in the end I've been mean I I knew
that back then but realizing one more
that in the end what matters most is
it's not the checking all the right
theological boxes or whatever it's about
just love so yeah love covers a
multitude of sin and then again
commending you bro just showing me what
a real Christian is like and in that
that turn that that term long-suffering
goes a long way that you better along
you know suffer along with someone I
remember cuz I mean we didn't need to
set this up a little bit more man we
weren't just friends you you were young
man so you came to you somebody gave you
a true seeker CD you were maybe no no
okay so I don't know if you remember
first time we met you was at the cave we
just happened to pop in it was like some
Sunday night or something like that the
cave trees Pastor Brian and I heard
people talk about you before but I
didn't have any like a face or anything
to put it with so and then then we
connected from there you gave me a CD
and stuff no go ahead no that's it I
just
I've been talking enough I'm gonna talk
even more but you talk a little bit yeah
now we definitely um we we met and you
gave me your CD I played it and I
recognized that I'm shining track cuz
they played out on on Christian radio
Arabia yeah I made it I made it
everybody about that
but it was still even I mean like you
know I
you've definitely progressed a long way
your artistry but even still I mean
looking back that was it that was it was
it was a dope track for for that time
and in your life and for definitely for
me too so it was uh it was it was great
and then and then I gave we like
exchanged numbers or something you
called and built from there but not it
was it was uh it was definitely a dope
time for real but yeah then like so the
first time I remember meeting you you
know and you don't remember this you
were just a wee little boy lat wee lad
and when we met that time but I remember
you know going to Saraland assembly it
was a turkey I fell in love with Jesus
at pretty much you know there's a bug
right here it's freaking me out I'm
trying to give her this bug as we're
talking let's just put him under this
cup Saraland assembly I don't know if
it's a spider or what so I fell in love
with Jesus at Saraland assembly and it's
some years later there was just family
who came you guys would you know your
family wore that the long dresses
you guys were button-up white shirts you
and your dad I believe both had the
haircut you were a little fella you must
have been six
you bet your brother I was like I was
probably like okay so you guys came to
saralyn assembly and you guys you got
stuck out because there's a regular you
know Assemblies of God Church on the
move upbeat cutting edge music cutting
edge lights laser show here comes Samuel
and his family coming in really modest
wear the dresses hairs there and buttons
and stuff but then you know you guys
would really get in to worship your
family your family's really near and
dear to my heart and and into many
people's hearts really did you know you
guys just love for God and the way that
they brought you up but you know even
then seeing you guys worship the Lord
and I remember during the altar call you
were just a little guy man and your mom
was holding you and you were shaking and
quaking in the spirit bro and I remember
this little boy five of Jesus on him
like God loving on you or whatever was
happening I know theologically you try
to hit try to because you probably
didn't I give your heart to Jesus until
many years later so theologically maybe
there's some different stuff in your
head I want to break that down because I
know we've had we talked about that but
I remember seeing that say man this
little kid bro and he's like on fire for
and God's loving on a man so that's the
first time I seen you and you guys would
come to church and we we'd all pray
together and worship and stuff but you
said you don't remember me the
fast-forward God
you know six years or so you know you
had he was like 13 that time we met
there became really good friends you
became like a little project man because
you were so homeschooled and you were
green to everything you would you fell
in love with with Christian hip-hop I
was a Christian artist and we would hang
out we'd work on music together I
recorded your first song here in my
studio and recorded a lot of stuff for
you here we've done so much music over
the years but those early years of
seeing you progress into Christian rap
of even maybe this little homeschooled
boy maybe even tried to take on the
persona of what a Christian rapper
looked like what they would a Christian
rapper talk like and it was definitely
dated like most Christian rappers are
seven years ago healing that was so
funny man yeah he would come over we
would say stuff and I'm gonna tell you
in advance is gonna make fun because we
got a reminisce man we got a record and
so he'd be hanging out with the
Christian rappers and some of our black
friends and stuff their rapper they had
the lingo and stuff and somebody was
sitting on his butt I out for real hold
on don't say that cuz he's this little a
little white guy he's like all for it
it's like almost like like be rad but I
was like you kind of you kind of sound
like you know a madea man like that was
the thing back in 93 like Carmen said
for real and it was cool he was it was
Carmen and Lecrae I didn't have anybody
face my persona but it was Carmen way
before lecrae alright no Christian rap
you heard was Carmen exactly yeah it was
great bro no I remember those times I
definitely remember a few times where
anyway so yeah just those early years
man and then like you know we did a show
together one of our first shows we did
together at the river Church over here
and in Simms Alabama I believe it is and
so we did a show there and I remember a
bunch of people hanging out in the foyer
before before after the show and people
were talking about Linkin Park and Link
apart was really big at the time and
you're like whoo hope I never heard a
Linkin Park and everybody's like who are
you and he's like dude I don't know
anything about pop culture I don't know
any secular bands like you guys didn't
know any secular music like that was
forbidden a lot of TV was even forbidden
in your home right like all TV bro all
TV like y'all will get crystal VHS tapes
them sometimes alright we had some VHS
that I think at the time whenever we
you we still didn't watch TV like at all
like DVDs VHS whatever we didn't even
watch that we started watching more and
more like more Christian like pretty
much just like all the corny Christian
movies that you can think of I've seen
pretty much everyone but uh but ya know
that was we didn't like didn't know
anything about the outside world at all
really yeah really sheltered I mean the
only that you guys eventually would get
on YouTube and stuff but your parents
would drop you off at the or you guys
would go together as a family to get on
the internet to send emails and things
yeah and you would spend hours at the
library without I didn't what I didn't
get my first phone until I think it was
like 18 and finally like I scrounged up
a little money I think it was I don't
know I was working some odd jobs for
somebody or something was I was worried
how you were gonna keep it on yeah cuz
you were working with odd jobs there
wasn't like a sure thing yeah yeah no
but uh so now before that the only
internet access that I had was was the
library and so yeah I mean when I had
discovered YouTube that was like my
whole world changed basically and this
crazy yeah we we would hang out you come
over I'd pick you up and we come over
here we'd work on music we'd pray but
you know I would show you we do Bible
studies we did all that but then I would
show you like secular rock bands and
suffer you just like wow what is this
just like we would watch the limp Biskit
videos cuz you had no idea what it was
even on the biscuits like way old it
wasn't even relevant at the time just
cool like crawl out of the wall is noise
yeah
with crazy I mean to me like I mean even
some Christian rock artists rely yeah
skillett not like red like for real for
real one time I remember I walked down
there there it was no I was a oh fly
leaf yeah I think it was slightly um our
fire flight now it's one of those F
beans they they were playing at a
Twinner jam and I literally walked out
even though their Christian ban and I'm
you know since the drug is an Edgar it
was great but at the time it freaked me
out because I didn't like I said I was
super sheltered didn't have anything
compared to him so it was it was it was
definitely crazy from there yes okay so
when we talk about super sheltered I
wanna I want to just make sure make sure
that you want to go that you want to
talk about this a little bit cuz that's
always something that's interested to me
interesting to me about you and your
family would always and even now you
hear about people talking about being
off the grid I want to be off the grid I
just don't I just wanna I don't want
even nobody to know who I am I don't
want to have any I don't want them to
have my fingerprint and I don't want to
be in I don't want to be a part of the
system at all I don't know if you want
to unpack this a little bit about the
theology or whatever but you're maybe it
had something to do at the time with
like the mark of the beast right so
there's many people who believe that now
they think the RFID chip is the mark of
the beast if you get this or radio
frequency identification chip in your
right hand it's the mark of the beast
mention of in the Book of Revelations
but before that thirty years before that
even there was this thing about the
social security number and when everyone
had to get social security cards and so
that generation to them was the
fulfillment of Biblical prophecy that
we're gonna have our names are going to
have a number that goes with it
we can't buy sell a trade without this
number we can't get a job we can't even
travel the road systems we can't drive
we don't have identification so their
numbering the people in and so this is a
big thing in many Christian communities
it was and still is for for many
um I did your parents believe that at
the at the backbend absolutely like
about like 100 percent I want to
definitely give props to them and make
sure that I don't sound like I'm talking
down about my family at all or whatever
but uh and definitely even give props to
them for enacting what they were
believing or whatever like actually
taking action on what what they thought
was was happening um so I mean that and
that does take a certain amount of
courage and stuff so definitely respect
for that but um but yeah at the time
they they were just seeing how much more
mandatory the the social security number
was becoming um how you really couldn't
do anything without it so my my sister
she was born back in Los Angeles in a
hospital or whatever but before um I
guess that was before they automatically
would give you a social security number
when you were born so she never got one
but then when it came to me they they
had me born at home so they like
actually went through that at that whole
birthing process by themselves it was
just my mom and my dad's there like
didn't even have a midwife didn't have
anything they felt like no medicine no
medicine no they right right before I
was born they stumbled across some
teaching that that basically was saying
that all medicine and all doctors are
evil and it's witchcraft and for
mechanics or sorcery so they they they
just pretty much started shutting all
medicine and so they they had meet one
at home and with that I didn't have
birth certificate they they drew one up
on some old computer or something like
that supposedly had a it notarized but
it wasn't official at all so they
actually the birth certificate was
actually too small so they had this
notary put a stamp on a separate piece
of paper
and like put it together with the birth
certificate looks like it's taped
together yeah exactly
no I probably burned up or something
like that years ago but uh but ya know
it was it was a extremely extremely
sheltered growing up and just my whole
life it was drilled into my head that um
that social security number was going to
be the way that the government rounded
everybody up and tracked everybody down
and said you have to get the mark of the
beast or else now they didn't actually
believe it was the mark of the beast
it's because both my parents have social
security number and identification and
all that all that crap but they they
definitely believed that it was gonna
happen like any time like they they
honestly believed like within the next
couple of years back in the 90s they
thought that at any moment the
government was gonna round everybody up
and force them take the mark of the
beast or else be killed so that
definitely raised us with that kind of
conspiracy theorists mentality which
they weren't the only ones you know here
I've actually met several not not a lot
but I've met several other people who
were raised the same way but I was
preached in a lot of churches - yeah
yeah I actually I didn't even know that
but I mean this is like before I was
born when that was when that was
starting to become like a frenzy or
whatever yeah why wasn't this you so you
have you have two other younger siblings
and it was same story for them they both
born at home and no medicine no no our
our whole lives which you can say we're
lucky or you can say we're blessed
whatever but we never really had any
major health issues that I could
remember never broke any bones I think I
might have broken a toe bone one time
when I was like 12 but I mean the Lord
he'll do exactly what I mean even the
doctor can't really do anything I know
right I know that's the thing
unless it's piercing the skin at this
point it's not really much to do so but
now we were we were definitely blessed
in that regard and there were there were
a few instances where there were some
some some times where we got just I
don't know seriously sick or something
but but God always provided so I mean
I'll definitely give honor to where
honor is due to my parents for really
putting faith into action in that case
and praying through and yeah yeah that's
something that that had that happened
like whenever you guys would get sick is
that there was no let's call the doctor
I mean you know the baby's running a
hundred and four fever for a young
couple who have a kid we freaked out
yeah okay we got to get him to the
hospital we got to get him we got to
break this fever 105 because you can
overheat you have brain damage like
there's a bunch of different things they
say whether it's fear-based or whatever
your family when you guys would get sick
or run a cold they would immediately
fast and pray yeah yeah and they that it
was maybe a demonic attack or something
or yep they they had a few other people
who a couple other families that believe
the same way not in the immediate mobile
area but but they would call him up and
kind of in a prayer chain going I guess
and so there was definitely I've seen
the evidence of that now some people
might say that's like tempting God or
something but I've definitely seen that
that God does honor faith like that yeah
I can't I mean I can't even say that I
have faith like that for real you know I
can't you know but uh but definitely
have seen seen honor that so yeah man it
was definitely a testimony for me of
like you know people who don't get the
you know all the shots and stuff like
that and all the vaccines or your kid's
gonna get smallpox and die or the reason
we the reason we give you these vaccines
or so you don't get smallpox
you're how old are you 25 I'm 26 26 now
and you even at this point can you still
say you've never been to the doctor
I'm never had any vaccine I've never
been never had any vaccines never been
might need to be careful like who were
telling this to but but it's the truth
and so it would build faith for those
people who would say that like look I'm
not I don't feel comfortable with all of
this lead and Mercury and all the stuff
that's going into these vaccines you're
pumping into my kid autism rates are out
their ceiling there's many people
Lincoln and stuff the octaves I'm and
stuff you your brothers and sisters you
guys have been perfectly fine again your
family fasted and prayed when when when
you guys wouldn't have a fever I get
sick I mean most of us do that anyway
but we may would give them some Tylenol
to try to break the fever little do we
know that the reason you're actually
getting a fever is because your body
needs to burn that thing out of you so
you going through that that fever in
that temperature your body overheating
is to burn that thing out and for you to
sweat it out when we give you the kids
tylenol it's to bring the temperature
down it's gonna be okay when your body
is really fighting you're fearfully and
wonderfully made so God knows what he's
doing he's put the things in your body
to fight off that kind of stuff so that
there's some faith that's been built
there as well we're just hearing about
you guys hey these guys are okay you
guys may have not have heard of these
people but I know them and they've been
okay
there maybe it gets into extremism maybe
you were just lucky maybe you're blessed
as you as you'd say that there's other
people I know there was a guy we've
talked about this guy in the past but he
was he feel like he felt like he was the
last apostle to America and that God
mandated him to come yeah it was just
him he's a Messiah Complex is what we
call that but he's the last apostle that
God has anointed for America and he took
a vow of poverty and he lives in the
woods of Meridian Mississippi and he
would go open-air street preach and all
this stuff and he they're really against
any type of system I mean pharmaceutical
system the government welfare and it
just against it all I took a vow of
poverty to be like Jesus do
said own oh no man nothing and all that
so they took that literal but there was
an instance where his kid got sick and
was coming down with some I don't know
exactly what it was but she needed
medical attention and the neighbors told
on him and told the law enforcement and
they had a standoff with the guy cuz
this kid was in the house
supposedly dying and he was like
fighting the cops and wouldn't let them
take his kid because they were believing
God for healing you have other stories
like you know from the band Metallica
the leasing with James Hetfield
supposedly his mother was a very
Christian woman who ended up dying from
cancer I believe it was and if she would
have went to the hospital they probably
could have treated her and helped her
deal with that he became mad at God and
mad at the church because of that it was
very vocal about it she was a Christian
Scientist as well or Christian believed
in Christian Science where they was
really pushed off any type of medical
attention and stuff like that
Maynard from tool to song 10,000 days
his mother struggled with cancer for
10,000 days and finally lost the battle
but he commended her faith you know that
she now is she's with to God that she so
wanted to be with and served you know I
mean we talked about this this is kind
of close to home to Jean Duffey you know
so we have we just lost a good brother
he was a street preacher a man of God
someone told me that you know it was
because of his extreme faith that he was
taken from us too early that maybe if he
would have went to the doctor and and
worked through that or the got some
medicine medical attention that maybe he
would still be here preaching the gospel
being a person of faith it's like hey
God knows what he's doing if it's his
time it says time at the end of the day
we all have to believe that right when
it's our time it's our time where do you
stand on that now you know what I'm
saying well we have examples and we have
things like that that's going on like do
we do you do we do we go to the doctor
do we take the medicine we get cancer do
we just fast and pray
I mean where are you at now with that I
mean I've liked going back what you were
saying saying ago about the the man who
had the kid who was with the standoff
with the police I've heard tons of
stories um like that I mean growing up
the way that I did I heard those stories
were passed around for you know for
people to pray for and everything but I
definitely heard many stories of
children dying from different from
different stuff because their parents
wouldn't take him to the hospital so I
mean where I stand now I believe that
God can heal I don't believe that he
always does and I for whatever reason
and you can debate that whatever um I
think that God has given us wisdom to a
certain extent now I mean growing up the
way that I did and seeing people who I
knew who would go to the doctor for
every little thing I kind of always
question that a little bit because like
I'm fine and you're going to the doctor
you nothing's even wrong with you so I
still don't think that you know I think
that we maybe rely too heavily on the
medical system whether it is right now
but uh I've definitely been in need of
medical attention since moving out of my
parents house since moving out here yeah
um so so I have benefited from from the
medical system but again I'm not gonna
say that I put all my faith in that or
whatever
I'm definitely thankful for medicine
this at this stage in my life yeah it
does I mean so a lot of people who
believe that strain would say that shows
a lack of faith that you have to go to
the doctor and they're kind of judged or
even if you're in a congregation of
people who believe that and that if you
do go to the doctor and it shows a lack
of faith you didn't fully trust God you
doubt it and you know it's still it's
debatable you know you know I don't know
I didn't grow up like that you know what
I'm saying you did and this your story
and it's a really amazing story not
going to the doctor never going to the
doctor not having a social social
security card birth certificate things
like that
you're becoming a young man your parents
have jobs they have IDs and all that
stuff you try to get a job with son we
need to see some identification nobody
knows who you are you have no proof that
you exist on the earth I was scared that
if we got pulled over they would take
you to customs you can one time I was I
was mowing grass for a friend of ours um
and like I don't even think she was
really paying me if that you know she
was an older older woman
maybe was giving me a dollar for it or
something you know I wasn't doing it for
the money I was just trying to help out
mm-hmm a couple of cops came over and
like literally detained me for about a
half hour and they're like we need to
see some ID
you know because you're not you're not
allowed to cut grass without a license
and stuff and I tried to explain not
just I'm just helping somebody out there
like now I need the CID
they wouldn't believe me that I did not
have identification like they they would
not believe me finally I mean I gave my
name told him my my date of birth and
told them where I live and everything
they had they called it back into the
station has somebody you know run like a
search on me or whatever couldn't find
anything they finally let me go but yeah
it was crazy it was it was a little
scary at that moment yeah
Bobby got me Mom they rounded us up
things that got me first
yeah well you have to laugh about it now
right am i insensitive or you kind of do
no no I definitely I mean I definitely
laugh about it now I mean there are I
don't even know that I would actually
change anything about my childhood
simply because it is many Who I am today
it was definitely harder then I feel
like it maybe had to be harder than a
lot of other people have it like but uh
but still I'm thankful for it because
all of it shaped me into Who I am today
and kind of put me on the journey that
I'm on now so um so trying to get a job
that would make it hard
you growing up you're 26 now you
recently got married as well you need to
produce some type of ID and go before a
judge go before you know the that system
and to get that singing bye-bye you know
the judge or whatever it's so it's a a
god-ordained thing do it the right way
anyway you had to do that and some of
that stuff became hard did you did I
haven't even talked to you I know
because I was talking to you while you
were in the midst of trying to see how
you can get some ID
there's nobody knows who you are you
can't claim yourself like where were you
at now with that you're working you're
married now how did you go about getting
that stuff well I told I kind of I
talked about my situation to another
friend of mine and she mentioned it to
her mom and her mom put me in touch with
the home school Legal Defense
Association and it's like it's a lawyer
it's a team of it's a law firm basically
that focuses especially on homeschool
related issues for people who didn't go
to public school or a private school in
whatever they hired so they definitely
helped me out a lot they put me in touch
with a lawyer out in California where I
was born
Los Angeles and we ended up having to
make a road trip out there when was that
I guess the maybe fall of 2016 I guess
it was um summer fall somewhere in there
we went out there and went before a
judge my dad actually came out with me
came out there so that was it was really
it was it was it was just kind of a god
thing that that my parents actually at
least my dad actually was accepting that
I was making my own choices and so he
actually and came with me and and
vouched from you to the judge basically
and kind of helped confirm my story so I
got a delayed birth certificate there
and then that was probably the hardest
thing and then after that had to I had
to jump through a bunch
difference to get my social security
number but it all worked out and the guy
who the the guy who I initially started
working for when I came out here was
nice enough to let me work for cash
until I got my social security number
and everything I'm on a deist right now
so so yeah it was it was definitely all
a bunch of a bunch of things that kind
of collided at the right time and so it
was just kind of even down to when I was
at the Social Security office the guy
who was helping us he had a what would
Jesus do bracelet on and when we had we
had to go we had to leave to get some
further identification to show him when
we came back we probably weren't gonna
be assigned at the same person and sure
enough we went we got back with the same
person so it was even that was kind of a
like a small confirmation to me um you
know that even down to we we got a
Christian guy who would be maybe not
fully understanding but at least kind of
understand a little bit attic at least
empathetic at least yeah so it was it
was definitely I think it was a god
thing it all things work together for
the good so so you said that uh you know
your dad your dad went out there with
you and he lets you make your own
decisions your mom really wasn't on it
she still didn't voucher don't really
like the fact that you got it where do
they stand with that now she came with
me she like the whole family went out
went out there kind of took the
opportunity to just kind of go out and
see you know see where I was born and
see where they were living back then but
uh she came with but she didn't go to
the to the the courthouse with us she
did she really was not on board with
that she's accepted um
kind of you know she's accepted that I'm
old enough to make my own choices and
stuff but she definitely wasn't on board
probably still to this day which is that
I hadn't you know gotten identification
as
it's at this point it's not a big deal
anymore so it's something that that we
kind of work through and move past which
we're gonna all families do yeah that's
good exactly so yeah it's an interesting
story man and so uh you know something
out of a movie
even they made it hard for you yeah it
did it definitely did but again you know
you know I'm commending your mom and dad
for standing up for what they believed
in if this was the end like they
literally thought it was the end yeah
just like you read like uh you don't
saying the severity in the scriptures
hey it's about to go down it's we're at
the end I mean I even some years later I
got into I got into what sects of
believers or the Hebrew Israelites who
who would preach the end we are at the
end the bombs are gonna drop at any
moment get your you know get your life
right we have to leave this this we have
to leave America like they taught it and
it would give you scriptures and line
upon line and precept and they they
preached it with the urgency and then it
would show you things in the government
the King Alfred plan all of this stuff
that's in the government like files that
talking about like first of all
eliminating all minorities and it would
show you these plans maybe a lot of it
was even conspiracy made up stuff but
it's whoever put it out there was good
enough to make it go viral and there's
still people who were into that now they
they're waiting for Jesus to crack the
sky any day and all of this stuff to to
melt away but I guess even before that
they're looking for like they're still
looking for Christians to get their
heads cut off like any moment you know
what I'm saying I don't know where do
you stand on at the end of the world
because I was I was big into it RFID
chip like we preached that that was the
mark of the beast and they're gonna
round us up there's FEMA camps and FEMA
coffins the king the King Alfred plan I
mean there's so much stuff out there
that it you know and it's people who
fear it's really a fear right where do
you stand maybe even on the end times
with that especially with what you know
what you came from you're gonna approach
it with a little bit of sensitivity
right yeah I definitely I mean I
honestly don't really know I mean I'm
right best answer praise God for you I'm
to the point where I'm okay with not
knowing a lot of stuff like I've really
deconstructed a lot of stuff that I
believed when I was even even just years
ago like I want to have you on because I
know you did I want to see where you are
so uh at this point um you know III
don't know I know that I have heard some
people who believe that uh that
revelation already happened and all of
it has been fulfilled and all that and
I've never really actually yeah so you
don't it's not there's other things that
you would rather spend those you know 15
20 hours a day or Satan whatever mean
how would you have in a day that you're
awake or even learning about and
discussing and things that are more
important because if it's pre-trib you
get to go post-trib you get to go
maybe something happen if it's already
happening where we got to figure out
where we are now we in the new you know
we Satan rule in the world and a
thousand years of terror thousand thirty
years of peace it gets crazy
there's some interesting stuff out there
all of its interesting and the funny I'm
more concerned with like why people
believe it and especially like knowing
as much as I've studied and being a part
of different sects or whatever I know
why they believe it that's okay so you
know I I just honestly have gotten tired
of the around it like everybody's just
everybody wants to study Revelation
because it's scary and it's like you
know the Christian version of a horror
film or whatever and so they just want
they just want to study it because of
the stigma about it and I've just gotten
to the point where it's like as there's
so much more important stuff that we can
talk about you know sure that song we're
not gonna keep talking about the book of
Revelation on this podcast because
there's some really more important so we
could talk about
oh just to see what people people
believe you know and yeah absolutely so
my beliefs have changed radically and I
think are more as more of a biblical
approach to it versus uh you know the
movies even left behind series that
influenced a lot of that stuff well let
me do it let me do ask you this though
especially coming from very sheltered
life I never had to worry about this but
I talked to a lot of friends who grew up
in the church and so maybe they would
come home mom dad they get no answer
they immediately think I may have missed
the rapture family's gone I don't see
the family vehicles here families in the
backyard yeah you're like what mom dad
mom dad freaking out have you ever had
that encounter because I've talked to a
lot of Christian friends who if they've
had that experience
they got left behind now it definitely
happened for sure and it would happen
when maybe I was like I would be home
alone with my dad or somebody and the
rest of the family would be out before
before we had cell phones or whatever
and even though maybe the phone would
die or something
and you know couldn't get ahold of the
rest of my family some people first
thing they jump to is you know worrying
about if they had a wreck or something
me the first thing I jump to was did the
rapture just happen and they're gone and
I'm left here and everything and even I
used to be so afraid of that that we had
a bunk bed my brother and I we shared a
bunk bed
growing up and and so in the middle of
the night just at random hours I would
wake up and roll over to see if he was
still there because I knew because he
was I mean this is back when he was I
don't know six or something you know I
knew that he you know that it was always
taught that the children were gonna get
grouped in with with believers because
they were too young to understand too my
prize or default yeah yeah so I kind of
building
I knew that my brother would be will be
taken if the rapture happened so I roll
over and look down make sure he was
still there
okay good I can go back to sleep yeah
are you being a growing boy with
hormones going through puberty having a
wonder God came to collect at least now
maybe you know you're a little bit older
you know some of those behind you is at
least and even being a Christian like if
that's true like the way that we've been
told there's an inner knowing the Bible
says you can know the hope of your
salvation versus a guessing game you
have to guess and wonder if I'm gonna go
or not you know there's a hope of your
salvation which I'm sure for you as
found in Christ Christ alone right there
was I remember like some weird doctrine
like um this was a old church I used to
go to but the pastor was preaching and
he and they would and this was a fear
that I had as a kid that um and in a
preacher was saying this like it was
biblical truths and I know it's not but
he would say like if you're in a car
accident I used to have a fear of you in
a car accident and you about to hit a
tree and you curse what up and you hit
that tree holy and you just say that
word and then you die you will spend
eternity in hell because you didn't get
a chance to repent of that wickedness
that came out of your mouth you'll spend
eternity this is these weird little
Christian loopholes and causes that the
blood of Jesus was not strong enough to
overcome that dirty word or whatever the
case is I don't know what people believe
but he said that and then he also you
know just if you sinned before you died
and you don't have a chance to repent
then you go to hell and it's like we're
little I know you had a little stigmas
like that was that one of you ever
thought about that or heard that or
anything yeah I still to this day
struggle with a lot of that type of
preaching that was so drilled into my
head as a kid I mean really they I think
they say that like you know the first
few years of your life are really what
shape you the most even when you you
know grow up and and and you you change
your mind on some things or you just
new ideas or whatever still a lot of
that that stuff that you were taught as
a child still feels real to you in some
to some extent or another you know so I
still definitely have had those thoughts
like that sometimes I've come to the
point where I believe that I believe
what the Bible says about salvation
being through through grace alone and
it's or by grace through the the venue
of faith so I believe now that if you
know that if God has saved you from from
your sin from yourself however you want
to term it or whatever that he will you
know God isn't this the this cruel
vindictive person that that we've been
taught you know through the church that
he's just waiting for you to do
something wrong so he cannot just smite
you yeah so I definitely believe that
God is faithful to to see to see us
through and I even believe that it's not
even really us that uh that keeps us
like a lot of times you're told all you
gotta you know you gotta just believe
hard enough and sorry my cat is trying
to crawl over everything sorry but ya
know I mean I've definitely been told
that all my life that you gotta like
hold on believin and stuff and I even
come to the point where I really believe
that it's God who even gives us the
ability to believe in the first place
you know so like I I thought to me I
find comfort in that is not anything
it's not about how good I can perform
and how good I can do or whatever but
but God just keeps me and that that
sounds a bit like I don't know maybe
Calvinism or whatever I definitely was
shaped some by Calvinism flirted with it
for a little while I'm not by any means
a Calvinist at all I don't know what I
consider myself
but uh but yeah I just personally I
believe that that God is more than
willing and able to to keep someone
inside of his love instead of us trying
to to work our way to stay inside of his
love you know Calvinism was a weird one
for us like because just like the
counter opposite maybe of Pentecostal
yeah evangelicalism and and about it's
about feelings
so like that side of Christianity that
doctrine was about having a head
knowledge and like a right it really was
about having the right doctrine and the
wrong doctrine could send you to hell
and all of these things and so well you
know we first dealt with Calvinism years
ago a lot of our friends got into it
because of Lecrae the Christian rapper
MacRay he had a song it talked about I
got a backpack full of tracks and I keep
a Johnny Mac and we had people who
followed Lecrae
literally like MacRay was their pastor
you know I know we know all those people
and and they wanted to figure out what a
Johnny Mac was and so there's a John
MacArthur Study Bible and so they would
read that and eventually find out that
that there was Calvinism was something
that a lot of reformed theology guys you
know preached and believed and so they
went down that route and disassociated
themselves from me and many other
Christians because we were Pentecostal
because we believed in the gifts of the
holy spirit was still at work and God
does still heal people and miracles
still happen and a static worship and
you know all of this kind of stuff that
we believed in and so that was a really
weird one you know losing friends
because of that that's even in the
church that's not even with like you
know believing anything that was like
pseudo biblical or extra biblical stuff
like that you know so I was kind of a
rough one for me no yeah some of that
too yeah no I I kind of find it ironic
that people who who believe that it's
God who saves only and God chooses who's
gonna be saved and who's not gonna be
saved and all that
so believe that you have to believe a
certain set of like you got to take all
your boxes because I mean if if you
really believe that it's it's all God
then and you're putting this this other
criteria that sounds a whole lot like
work to me you know that sounds like
you're trying to yeah you know even I've
come to the realization that I saw you
know the reformed theology debate or
whatever pissed off as a side note I've
come to the realization that it really
like even trying to believe the right
things is a form of work that that we
believe saves us and if we truly believe
that it's God who saves us then we we've
been hung up way too long on trying to
make sure that everybody has you know
these different boxes that checked and
everything and questioning people yeah
no go ahead no so do you pretty much
believe that maybe a lot of these
religious sects or Christian sects hold
a piece of the truth and maybe their
piece at least part of that is really
beautiful and the other part is very
disgusting or vile even maybe or they're
off that's how I look at it I mean I
look at some of the stuff from the
Pentecostals beautiful worship very
spiritual I look at some of the the
rightly dividing the word of truth in in
the reformed guys and then I look at you
know even the Messianic believers and
you know there's something from all of
those places that I've been that is
something very beautiful that that drew
me to that and I feel like they all have
a piece of it and you've done enough
studying you've been around you've
ministered at enough churches to see
some crazy stuff and some really
beautiful stuff like so do you you do
you wouldn't just call I'm assuming but
you wouldn't just call yourself I'm this
or I'm a Christian there so I'm a
Christian dad or you just kind of
respect the beauty and in just Jesus
alone what do you call yourself man um
so this is Mike a little deeper here but
at this point
I don't I mean I guess I call myself a
Christian simply because I am part of
that religion and people want to say
Christianity is isn't about religion
it's relationship not Christianity is a
religion I mean be honest yeah and there
are things there are aspects of
Christianity that I love as far as the
organized religion aspect of it the the
church buildings and church meetings and
you know whatever there's parts of it
that I love parts of it that I don't
like I still operate within that because
simply honestly because that's part of
life you know that's exactly exactly so
I but I beyond being a Christian I would
just consider myself all and and and you
know I'll say some stuff we're at a
Bible study a couple weeks ago and the
somebody I remember exactly everything
to that but I said something about you
know I really don't believe that Jesus
came to start a new religion and
everybody's like yeah you're right amen
amen
I'm like no no no no this religion
religion he didn't come to start this
you know like is back whenever Jesus
came people who follow Jesus still
continue to follow Judaism you know they
still continue to follow whatever and
and you know and Paul wrote to them and
said hey you know don't put your faith
in this and if you go back to relying on
this then then Jesus means nothing to
you but even while they were relying on
Jesus they still some of them would
continue even Paul himself continued
doing some religious rituals and Judah
Jewish practices and stuff like that and
I've come to realize there's not
necessarily anything wrong with that you
know you be part of the culture that
you're part of um but Jesus didn't come
to make you something different as far
as to convert you to this new religion
or to start this new tradition or
whatever different of life you know and
and whatever wherever you find yourself
Jesus came to give life you know so
that's yeah I don't I don't know how I'm
with you no go ahead yeah no I'm with
you and there's a growing amount of
people who are with you and I think that
that's why people gravitate towards
podcasts and discussions like these
because they they still believe they
still have a foundation of Christ but
they've rejected the majority of
Christendom being they find it there's
so much so much there may be more harm
than good you know and things I said and
so it's so that they come out of that
system and still hold on to that
beautiful faith in Jesus man they're
freaking they're troopers bro yeah the
troopers most people lose their faith in
the church we've been in this thing for
a long time we've seen many people come
and go but to see somebody still hold on
to their faith in Christ regardless of
all of this craziness and foolishness
and and platforms and notoriety and
overlooking and and divorced and trauma
and death and questions man it's so
beautiful to see people hold on to their
faith and they're lucky so and but where
we all have that that bond the bond of
the Covenant a bonded agreement at
Christ is so worth it you know what I'm
saying he's done he's what we agree on
forget all this other stuff I remember
we're talking about you know reformed
theology and that stuff was there's a
lot of people I would look into and read
and definitely paul Washer we found most
of us fell in love with paul washers a
sermon to the youth group you know and
Paul washes this reform guy and he's
most likely at a Pentecostal church or
something talking there estatic and
worship that man cool
praise God bro they're listening to the
youth evangelist and he's giving you all
the stuff and he's like holding and
everybody's clapping he say wait don't
clap he always cries when he talks don't
cry I'm talking about you they're like
oh snap and that was like the youth
message heard around the world and that
blew him up really but we got into him
then and you know and the gospel rappers
embraced paul Washer but i remember
several years ago trying to get my
theology on point make a shot wasn't to
new-age make sure i listened to enough
christian doctrine and stuff but I
really loved paul Washer
and I can handle him in segments but um
because he there there's some hoops that
you have to jump through to be a
Christian and paul Washer really
believes in those hoops and I've heard
those hoops I know those hoops you got
it he wants you to to be saved at least
six months before you can call yourself
a believer you want you you know all
these weird so he would preach all their
cellphone okay they want you to prove it
like don't tell me you're born again
prove it don't so they really believe
that but I heard one interview where and
I knew about these hoops that he they
want you to jump through to prove that
you're a Christian you got to have fruit
you got to hate the sin that you once
loved you got to do this you got to do
that you know and then I listened to an
interview and he was like back to back
to back to back to back to back to back
to back to back to back about what you
have to do to be saved I'm like damn
ain't none of us getting in we screwed
though like if we got to really produce
these fruits worthy of repentance that
he says we got to produce we're not
getting in we're not and I was like you
know what man Paul wants to do I like a
lot of your stuff but man I can't I'm
not gonna put on this monkey suit and
come and dance and act like I'm somebody
I'm not and act like I agree with what
you guys are petitioning and all of its
beautiful by itself when he be hit with
all that back to back is like this is a
this is damn near impossible but but God
right thank God that it is by grace
through faith and not your Christian
walk I feel like to me the Bible is a
lot of driving ourselves to the point
where we realize we can't do this and I
feel like a lot of times people take all
those rules and stuff and try and make
it into something that we're supposed to
follow and supposed to try our best and
everything like that and I really have
come to the to the point where I really
believe that all of that at the end of
the day I mean yeah I do want to live a
moral life
oh yeah I want to to kill you know my
own personal the setting sins or you
know whatever you want to call them
one want to strive to get better and be
a better person be a better husband to
my wife and you know all that um but I
at the end of the day it really is just
about driving us to the point where we
realize hey I can't actually do this you
know I can't be good enough to to please
God or to whatever because God is
already pleased with me through Jesus
you know that's that's why Jesus came
please show us hey now you guys think
you got it all together but nobody got
it together you know where does it come
in to where like to say okay God is
pleased with this through Jesus but
maybe there's something that comes in to
where like man isn't pleased with this
or the pastor or family isn't pleased
with us because of a belief system or
because of a lifestyle choice even I
mean most of us are like even like our
view of God a lot of it comes from our
parents like if our parents were always
anytime you messed I did there's parents
who when the kid messes up they get
slapped in the back of the head when
your son says something stupid he gets
slapped he gets popped there's abuse and
things like that and many people even
though they've been liberated by it by
Christ they come into they still you
talk about that unlearning process that
go takes years to unlearn the you know
some reward system oh you've been a good
boy today here's a treat you know here's
a here's a coca-cola a piece of candy or
whatever and we look at God and him
reward rewarding us because we're good
Christians or we didn't curse today or
we didn't look at something we shouldn't
have and so it's this performance-based
but you eventually find out that it's
about the goodness of God and he doesn't
judge us based upon our works it judges
like you said based upon Christ yeah
yeah no that's and that's that puts me
at odds with a lot of even a lot of
people who I know and people who I love
and people who love me there are there
are people close to me who I know for a
fad are worried about my soul or
whatever you want to call it you know
and
they're probably praying that that God
gets ahold of me or whatever and that
you know I see a light and realize you
know that I'm too far off on the grace
spectrum or you know whatever you want
to call it I mean I my wife was talking
to a pastor and my wife would kind of
also was was questioning some of the
things that she had been taught growing
up deconstructing a little bit if you
want to call it that and just kind of
finding freedom in Jesus and talking to
a pastor about it and they were just
they were like oh well so I see what
you're saying you know you're trying to
find the balance between you know
between the legalism that you were under
and like the free grace and of the
spectrum that that or the the easy grace
whatever that your husband is on and she
told me about that and I was like yeah I
mean I probably they probably met that
didn't mean it as a compliment you know
but I kind of take it as as a compliment
cuz like I still believe like I'm 100
percent believe that sin is sin and I
still 100 percent believe that evil is
evil and there's wrong and there's right
and everything like that but I also
believe that God's grace is free and
that God's grace is good and and that
that God does like I say keep working on
us and doesn't just throw us away
whenever we mess up so yeah yeah that's
good man and you're not alone there's
many people who come to that conclusion
and the fact that you still you've seen
a lot man you've been through a lot and
you're still a young man and you still
have that faith in Christ man you're
still cultivating that daily as far as
like your belief system as far as let's
look at some of the far-out spiritual
stuff as far as and I know I go way far
out more than you so let's just not try
to compare this but let's let's go as
far out as some of the you know the
early Pentecostal stuff that you've seen
do you is it does that stuff have a
special place in in your heart and I
know I'm bringing this stuff up and you
probably been back and forth with it
there comes a time where you hate it and
I can't believe we did this and this is
how shallow our religious was is it our
religious was based upon a holy
hallelujah who you know and these these
if you didn't fall out then God didn't
show up you know this kind of weird
theology we've learned in in you know
the charismatic movements and stuff like
that and blessings do you because you
come from that right of this you know
Benny Han the anointing the whole church
falling out when the pastor what waves
his hand shaking and trembling under the
power of God you still believe in that
that the Holy Spirit and baptism that
comes and cleans you out and that's
shaking and quaking and that that you
know is that there's those times in your
life still mean something to you and do
you still practice that I believe that
it can happen I'll believe that most
like I'm gonna say like throw a number
like 90% in those churches big percent
bro percent but I did it I've been there
bro and I've lived it you know I've been
one who fell out on the floor because
everybody else was falling out on the
floor you're like oh man you know how I
need to stay here and and like you know
people will talk about God knocked him
out and they were just out and then they
came to like they were literally
unconscious that's never happened but
they fall out but there's you foria that
comes with it right that is that from is
that from the spirit of expectancy and I
know that and this is crazy broke I've
been thinking about this a lot lately
that you know I mean God the the Bible
is filled full full of we want to call
it the placebo effect
yeah and God responding to your faith
what you believe and I believe if that
man of God touches me God is gonna hit
me and if that man of God doesn't touch
you God doesn't hit you unless you press
through I said god I need you I don't
care you didn't touch me you know and so
like do we create it in our minds
I think a lot of it is definitely
created in our minds and I'm not gonna
say that it's not all genuine like I
think some of it is absolutely like
faked and people just trying to put on
the show I think a lot of it is 100%
genuine people actually trying to see
God and really like just just doing the
best that they know how yeah and and
worshiping in the way that they've been
taught to worship yeah um but I I don't
think that most that most of it is
literally God not well what about that
what about the new manifestation surely
you've been in churches that have
outpouring and they don't know any of
that right so that's some of the rare
occasions that God showed up with fire
and that he just did a new thing for
them they had they don't know religion
they don't know doctrine they don't know
about shaking and quaking and crying and
spinning or even running around the
church you know I know but it becomes a
part of the tradition of a part of the
you know religious routine that we do to
talk to God or meet with God every
Sunday Wednesday whenever but God does
show up so you're saying that do you
believe that he does do that but just
not as much as we would maybe we learned
we feel like we learned the formula
exactly that if we do this he'll show up
and it's like no I'm moving like I moved
in the Old Testament and you had to
follow me and I don't don't over there
yeah no that's that's definitely really
what I believe I think I think like I
said I think that God can and does work
however God wants to work like God does
what God wants to do but hold on just
one second my trying to get inside okay
it's time to tap on the keyboard
my cat learned that if he jiggles the
door handle will let him out on you
gotta film it but yeah YouTube you'll be
famous we have I think if we had one of
those like long handles I'm pretty sure
he would figure out how to open it up
himself but but no yeah no I I
definitely think that that God does
whatever God wants to do but I think
sometimes or a lot of times we will stop
at where where we first experienced God
and think okay this is this is the way
that God hit me you know back then so
I'm going to try to find that experience
again it's it's almost almost like a
drug in a sense
you know finally yeah yeah you get that
first hit and then you want that feeling
again Trey hi exactly and a lot of for a
lot of people it's not even about like
actually seeking God is about absolutely
yeah well let's I mean let's just look
at a little bit closer because I mean
for me and for many people like it take
it the presence of God the Holy Spirit
it takes the place of the drug like they
get they get delivered from drugs
because they've they've received the
perfect drug which is the presence of
God which is intoxicating which is
otherworldly and even what you came up
with your name right your name sa 115
that you went by early on like it has
something to do with being intoxicated
right or you know was when handed the
mother of Samuel with a prophet she was
she was in the temple or in the
tabernacle praying for for a child
because she couldn't have a child and
the priest thought that she was drunk
and she said first samuel chapter 1
verse 15 centons
it's a paraphrase did I don't remember
it anymore
exactly it's been a while uh but she
says something like no I'm not drunk as
you suppose I'm just pouring out my my
heart to God I'm just pouring out my
grief to God and so I definitely think
there's I don't even think that all of
that has to be like God hitting you with
some putting you in some trance or
whatever I definitely believe in and
being expressive and and having emotions
and feeling emotions towards God and
because God created emotions you know
God gave us emotions um and so I don't
believe in being stoic or whatever I
definitely believe in in in vibrant
worship and all that I
I hate it when it becomes a ritual and
like a form that that people think you
have to follow or when it becomes a
ritual that we put on ourselves because
of how we experience God the first time
no yeah yeah there's a lot to explore
there man but I've had some you know
I've been many different places in the
spirit and religion and philosophy and
stuff and just understand the power of
thought I mean just even the biblical
stuff like you know you you you know the
power of your mind and spoken word and
creating it in like creating those
experiences and creating those
atmospheres and want wanting them so bad
enough that you got it and that goes
with anything that goes if you want
drugs
you're gonna want them you go look for
them and wanting that encounter whether
it's God showing up or not you you and
your friends created that you know you
guys wanted it the pastor wanted it it's
very interesting to look into man and
it's I don't wanna it makes you like
question for a second was all of it made
up did I we'll all of this to happen
I've been there yeah you know did we
like really on a subconscious level like
we got every time we got what we were
looking for but that's but then again
back to the scripture God God said do
that
yeah seek me you'll find me if you don't
seek me you won't find me you know what
I'm saying so it's part of I think God's
a lot deeper than we've been taught I
think these scriptures are speaking even
deeper when we talk about this stuff
he's like placebo I mean I talk about
all the time how Jesus went in a certain
towns the son of God made manifest
before men Jesus went in a certain towns
that couldn't heal nobody
oh that's the carpenter bro that's true
seeker bro that's si 1/15 bro you you
you're rendered powerless this is the
Son of God he goes into other towns
they've heard renown oh man it was a
crazy guy chained up on an island Jesus
shows up heals them the guy's holding on
a regular job he's talking to people he
loves the Lord now and this guy was
cutting himself every day with Jesus
showed up and I wear
where's Jesus I got I got a son that
needs to be healed you know and so as a
spirit of expectancy me and you
experienced that I know I did and this
revelation came deeper to me whenever I
hit you up as a hey dude I can't really
go to church around here people know me
you know my reputation precedes me they
think they've got a witch in their
church or something come with me to
Louisiana because Todd Bentley's gonna
be there i persecuted him in the past I
would like to go and and uh kind of pay
my respect and uh you know seek God in
and I knew y'all was cuttin I was
looking forward to our trip to bond
together we haven't we haven't hung out
in a long time and I was looking us out
I know that we were listening to worship
the whole time expecting a move of God I
had a really powerful encounter and it
didn't take much of the table Bently
really didn't even have to do much
that's what I'm saying I my expectancy
for God to meet me when we drove there
that he was going to do it and he did it
and I got what I was looking for and we
always do that you know so it becomes
something a lot more deeper than a guy
and Jesus always said hey according to
your faith that's given unto you all I
don't believe okay me neither but if you
do believe it whatsoever you believe
you're gonna have it whatever in the so
that's when dot where doctrine comes
into play that's where bigotry comes
into play that's where all of it the end
of the world and the RFID chip and the
Social Security card comes into play
yeah it was real for your parents man it
was definitely it was life or death for
them yeah and they've responded
accordingly and they believed it and and
everybody with all their weird far-out
theology they believe that's the for
reason and it's near and dear to their
heart whoever they are whether they
agree with us or whether they're against
us it's a very intricate to understand
why they believe and do what they do but
that's the power of the mind man in the
power of faith dude I believe it
absolutely absolutely nice it is trippy
when well I guess when I first started
realize
seeing that people who I disagree with
strongly like actually held beliefs like
as powerfully as I believed that you
know in heaven and hell and and and and
Jesus and whatever everything that I
have ever believed as powerfully as I
believed in that someone across the
world will use something completely
different but just with the same amount
of fervor and passion and and 100% is
100% convinced they have all of their
you know archaeological proof and they
got their you know they got their
experts and their teachers and and and
everybody could tell them oh you know
this is this is the truth and you're
supposed to believe this and it's trippy
when you start thinking about that
because like just just thinking about I
don't know it was it kind of to me just
really made me question for a while like
wow like is anything that I believe
actually true you know and so that's
that's part of what brought me to the
point where I've just decided to rely on
God like just completely like Andy Mineo
has a song where he says I remember all
my life that it ain't gonna be based on
works or whatever so it is literally
like just that's that's I'm putting all
my all my chips in so to speak you know
I'm just like I don't I I don't claim
that I have answers I don't know a lot
of stuff I am just putting all my chips
in on Jesus on God's love for us you
know that's not gonna put but our warm
butts in seats though Samuel you know
that make up an answer Samuel come on
people listening to this right now
you're trying to plug your album and
people are looking you know and we've
been to those churches who the pastor
has no idea but they're gonna make it up
and act like they do you know and it's
something they've never studied or
whatever it's so it's crazy but it
really is the way that you know
manipulation comes in again man you
you've seen a lot of my journey man
and when I really ran into that that
Billy Graham segment at the end of the
Robert Schuller interview or Billy
Graham said that that Jesus has a people
for his namesake
all across the world they may be in
Hinduism they may be Buddhist they may
have not even have heard the name of
Jesus but they're seeking out something
deeper that they know to be God whatever
that is and they know that they need
something outside of themselves Romans 1
and 2 God reveals himself to them and
that's all this the only teachers who
are around and I needed God I cried out
to Jesus Jesus showed up you know this
is the religion of our day we're here in
the u.s. grazed Baptist I knew that
someone else has a different story but
there's something similar deep in the
hearts of those people just like there's
people in the churches now who they do
all the right stuff they say all the
right things they've learned emotions
like you've been talking about but Jesus
is gonna say hey depart from me you who
practice lawlessness I never knew you
why do you say Lord Lord but don't obey
me why do you do the things that I hate
these are people who are healing people
casting out demons got it all figured
out but at the end of the day they knew
not love man they didn't know him they
had a form of godliness but denied the
power thereof stuff starts to make a
little bit more sense yeah it's crazy
because all my life I was I was taught
that you know the truth is unpopular and
it's it's never going to be popular for
you to you know take a hard stance and
and make sure everybody knows what you
believe about homosexuality and marriage
and and sex before marriage and purity
and all these hot-button issues and
abortion and all that and you got a hold
to this standard and it's not gonna be
popular but you gotta stick with it and
I've realized madness all that stuff is
extremely popular like that I mean that
that fills church pews every Sunday I
mean all of that stuff people will seek
out a church that so unquote teaches
hard teaching you know like no
look for that because it's popular but
what's not popular is saying it's it's
it's to say hey you know all of this all
of this religion means nothing you know
if you don't if you don't have love like
that's that's really I've realized this
that's really what's unpopular today at
least in the church is when you take a
stance to say no I mean all of this is
great but it does yes is it it might
seem real it might even be real your
perception of truth to some extent
shapes the truth around you you know
perception sometimes is and and we used
to go back and forth on this I used to
talk about non perception is truth and
I'd be like no others there's one truth
and I still believe that there is one
truth I still absolutely believe it's
pretty new there's only one perception
often so they know where you are man you
know and the thing is like good we saw
and this is what we signed up for we've
heard sermons about this the whole time
and you remember like we had we you know
when God calls you and you really step
out there
no one's gonna accept you no one's gonna
believe you but you gotta stay focused
like okay we're here nobody's except
lies believing me you know and then now
it's so funny because like we have a
mutual friend who I tried to rebuild our
friendship a couple of about probably
two years ago now just because we had
been off speaking terms for so long and
they were like talking about how like
I'm only doing what I'm doing now is
because it's lucrative is what he said
and he tried to like rebuke me and say
it was lucrative it's like bro I've been
doing this when when I was the
laughingstock of my town and I still do
this in the let as the laughingstock of
my town but who's laughing now now that
it's successful now that I've shown
myself faithful with what God has called
me to and you know now it's it's working
out and now it's lucrative or now you
get to make a living do and
and now you're dissing that you know and
sound out to you again man because like
one of the things you told me because I
went back and forth and I talk about
this all the time and it was I'm
embarrassed of it but many people do it
too and I have to talk about it because
there's other people in listening to
this who are where I was and are where
you were and there's young people
listening to this and they're like man
I'm in the same boat I don't know and
others I have the questions and I get
laughed at when I ask questions and I
don't think homosexuals are going to
hell and they think I'm reprobate now
you know and just these are the
conversations of the day we gotta just
we're talking about it and this was
festive from a Christian standpoint but
um one thing you told me I was going
back and forth and it got really weird
it became really obsessive and I didn't
know I know I'm still a believer but I
know I'm into these things I'm fasting
I'm praying I'm begging God I'm seeking
them in tears lord if this is not of you
I don't want to be a part of it why am
what does this pull in me to go down
these paths and and and I throw it away
I thought I'd get rid of everything I
delete all my videos I was working on
that were or up with thousands of views
seventy thousand fifty thousand I delete
amasi no it's all it's all gonna be
about Jesus from here on out no
Kundalini no Kundalini no no anything no
Nephilim no no nothing and and it's
always all Jesus until it's about Jesus
and baptism or Jesus and tithing or
Jesus and fasting then it's not about
all Jesus anymore is it it's about your
opinion and what the Word of God says
and rightly dividing the word of truth
and now we're stuck here about giving an
opinion about our belief system so it's
not about all Jesus anymore
so we kind of we try to go back to that
that their innocence that we had in
Christ but it's it's not really there
for good reason we've built upon a God
doesn't want us being naive and all of
that stuff anymore he's taking us
through the places that we've learnt
things and his character that's birthed
in us and lessons that we learned that
cost a lot of Tears and things and so I
will go back and forth and I would
delete my
website and I mean I would redo a
website in in like a couple hours I
would have my website up in all my new
esoteric music and lost children of
Babylon and then I would get made fun of
and didn't have a pull back to me
because all my friends would like they
would laugh and oh you really hanging
out with witches or whatever they would
say I don't know I wasn't even part of
that conversation honestly but it pulled
me back and forth and you've seen that
and I was honest with you and only I
there's really two of you I'll say to
let me say four let me say you King
James Watchmen and and cook we're
Watchmen it cooked followed me down
those paths good way
praise God but you know you guys really
were there for me going through it and
you told me and I wrote this down
because it's it's stood out but you were
like this was like one of the last time
so I was like all right and this was
probably a year maybe two year period of
going back and forth for just freaking
out man don't know because I'm fasting
away this stuff but God is opening up
doors and I have this burden on me and
then when I put it all away get rid of
everything I felt like I'm selling
myself out that God has called me to
these realms into these people groups
and to be interested in these things but
I'm like shunning it because I want to
be accepted by the church crowd and you
said Derrick like if God has called you
to be an apostle to the New Age
community to reach out to the spiritual
community then do it but if God has
called you to reach the church crowd and
perform in churches and all of that then
do it but you need to you need to choose
because you can't keep going back and
forth and it was really when you told me
that it's like you know what I know
people are perceiving this and I know I
look crazy and it's like you know what
I'm gonna I'm gonna do it and so I just
really and it's not stilled I've been
easy I went through the dark a dark
night man I've just you know all of my
friends who I you know we would have
conversations with brothers and you know
how this is I'm a grown man and I'm on
the phone with another Christian and
he's like oh it's time to hang up it's
like I brother all right man I love you
bro and for me I'll have a check of my
cell I don't tell another dude that I
love you I never I didn't have a dad
that I told I love them right I
so for another man to say I love you I'm
like I brought love you too man and I
had to I really meant it and okay but
did you go through that and those people
that you did ministry with and who put
you on platforms and gave you applause
and were hey you know in the trenches
with you when you go through it they're
nowhere to be found
yeah yeah so that was a really hard
lesson and and to go through that but
yeah you find out that uh you know the
fruits of the spirit are real like when
you really have that that truth of what
you believe it's like you know I tried
to run you away you know and tried to
say I've never given you the Book of
Enoch hey bro you gotta read this is
deep man and your dad back and like your
fortress I brought it to the church and
put it in the envelope got my name on it
at the church he's like hey yeah
somebody dropped this off for you
Derrick okay hey what's this a package
the church who's the Book of Enoch
that's crazy yeah nah man dude my I'm
kind of been in a kind of sort of place
like like you like before I moved here I
was I was preaching you know like in
churches like all all over all over the
mobile area and I was I was doing doing
that pretty steadily and then I started
being vocal about some of my beliefs and
stuff that I was that I was discovering
for myself kind of like you said like
you were you know open about it as you
were going through it I was definitely
very very vocal as I spoke yeah Facebook
yeah yeah and and so those I mean those
some of those preaching gigs or whatever
you want to call them started drying up
a little bit but then other doors were
opening and stuff but since I moved here
I think I've preached maybe twice maybe
three times since then and one time was
a youth meeting like a youth camp or
whatever and and the other time was a
couple months
um but uh but no I mean it's ever since
ever since I started being vocal about
stuff that I believe that doesn't go
with you know evangelicalism
conservative the the Christian Right or
whatever um ever since I started being
vocal about that people started like
okay now you can't come to our church
anymore now my mommy told me my mom told
me you got to stop talking about this
stuff like people literally told me hey
you can believe what you want but you've
got to stop talking about this so that
you can you know for the sake of your
ministry or whatever you know so that
you can continue to be in these circles
and that was like I mean this though
this whole time even I mean I look back
at some of the stuff that I said and I
kind of cringe at some of the stuff I
used to say but back then whenever the
whole time I was just trying to share
the truth as I knew it
this whole time that's that's all that
I've been I wasn't trying to make a name
for myself for trying to do anything
like that I was just trying to share the
truth and now that the truth that I'm
finding that I'm discovering you're
starting to clash with people now I'm
supposed to be quiet about it like now
okay though
so I now before it was all know don't
hide your light under a bushel but now
because they don't line up with what
they believe but this is what we've been
hearing that it's not going to it's
going to be counter cultural and the
culture that you were in was Church
culture yeah yeah and you're finding
truths you're finding universal truths
even and God loves everybody and let me
just be an extension of that love and
all this practical stuff practical not
Christian ease and stuff like that you
start finding out and being vocal and
but then you I think when you messed up
as you put your mouth on their Savior
bro like and I never thought that you
would like really go in on the savior of
evangelical Western Christianity and you
win in on him how dare you exactly the
orange when I'm talking about not the
brown skin when the orange one
as the parent this was a white what you
know they know it but once you actually
like we're trying to tell him no cheese
is really like he didn't matter what
color he was it don't matter yeah but he
didn't experience the world that you
that you experience you know and but not
people it don't matter what color he is
until he's black then it matters
exactly it's man and not to go too deep
into that yeah into what you were saying
about me putting my mouth on say yeah
but that really that was kind of the
breaking point one of the breaking
points for me um I mean I was already
doing a lot of deconstructing of my own
beliefs and stuff but uh that was kind
of the breaking point when I realized
like there were all these different
different candidates that they could
have picked from being Republicans you
know everybody they think that you have
to be Republican to be Christian or
whatever so even that aside there were
all these different candidates that
Christians could have picked from and
and all these people who I know are
saying oh I just voted for him because
he was the only alternative and it just
came down I would I wanted somebody else
bro how did he become the candidate then
cuz y'all all voted him in like in the
primaries all like you can say all you
want to that you were pushing for
somebody else but you picked this guy
because this is what you actually
believe and that was kind of like a
blindfold got taken off in my eyes and I
realized whoa these people yeah you know
they can talk a good game but when it
comes down to it they care more about
power and about about just just like
bullying people into a way like they
want to win this imaginary culture war
so bad that they don't care not what us
like they were neither abortion thing is
huge right now yeah you did it you did a
post on her recently I've stay away from
that stuff I know people who have had
abortions I have opinions but I have
other things I'd rather talk about that
I think that thing or more important
than abortion and I
remember for the Christian there's
nothing more important than abortion but
what's more important than abortion for
me is the principle of raise your kids
up in the way that they should go and
when they're older they will not depart
for them from that that covers abortion
people that covers everything raise them
up in in the truth and love them whether
they have an abortion or not like people
that this Internet is so crazy man I
don't even it's so polarizing and it
gives people a platform and it gives and
people will say he lured cowards come
out these people would never say this to
you in public they would never say it
but they get behind the keyboard and
they they you know say whatever they
want whatever comes today that's what I
remember the first time I saw seeing I'm
like bro we hang out every day and you
were bringing this stuff up in real life
but you get on the internet you want to
get all deep in and debatable and I'm
not you gave me 17 points and you want
me to address all those points on a
Facebook post you're crazy I can't type
that fast let's sit down and talk let us
reason I'll do that with you but I'm not
finna era you see that on online I say
oh Lord the agenda this was we talked
about this on a couple episodes ago with
a guy about the Trump thing the weirdest
thing for me coming from being an
evangelical and no one who Trump is and
you know what who he is what he
represents the weirdest thing for me
coming from Christendom what's watching
them teach him Christianity on camera
and watching the evangelical pastors
Paula white I mean creflo whoever it was
it was a bunch of them watch them like
pray for him they lay hands on him he's
like oh what do you know like he doesn't
understand any of it but they're like no
he's the Christian choice and him just
holding the Bible and he was one of my
favorite chapter is Corinthians type
deal like it's so funny till he's like a
monkey like they get a monkey it know
the word of God you know it was like
what is this it was really interesting
just to see his while they were praying
God ask you to bless him Lord raised him
up God raised up a standard through me
like just looking at him all weird he
doesn't get it
he's like an alien it's really weird
did you notice any of that Nami yeah I
definitely well it's just I mean
justifiably so like if you're not from
that specific church culture which like
Paula white and all her crowd and all
that yeah they're not even like
mainstream Christian they're like a
specific like sect where even people
from out in mainstream Christianity look
at that weird so I mean I can only
imagine somebody who doesn't have any
knowledge of all that that bull they go
that they you know that goes down they I
don't need a lot of there was a lot of
people um what's the guy that was a POWs
McCain yeah so what's the the big guy
with the seven blood moons John Hagee
yeah John Hagee tried to endorse McCain
hey I don't need your big buddy sit down
somewhere big buddy I don't need you you
too wild for me you own this weird Jesus
became savior later to the Jewish nation
and just a bunch of weird theology so
sit down big buddy
but it's so funny to see you know how
the you know the conservatives try to
get in them yeah
field it's funny but at the same time
like it's it's like ingenious almost
like I look at it like from a strategy
standpoint and man like he tapped into
something like there's been laying
dormant and you know people want to want
to blame it on President Obama or
President Trump and blame all the
division on stuff this this has been
sitting here this is the city and they
found it and they were able to tap into
it and it was weird to him but he was
like okay I'm gonna sit I'm gonna sit
through this and learn about it because
I see that this is a niche that needs to
be filled and and you know power at all
costs or whatever you might call so
strong vote yeah the Christian vote was
a strong vote
yeah as if our votes matter that's a
whole nother subject or which states
votes matter that's a that's a subject
right um so like I've heard it said you
know just by Obama did like I was cool
with Obama even being a Democrat or
whatever I was cool with them he is
because he's the cool pastor I mean the
path the cool president but like he got
jay-z he's shooting basketball with the
Lakers and Kanye West and he's got them
all in the White House and he's just
wanted a fellas
he won him over he was a people person
right but at the very end all of this
crazy stuff got passed as far as on the
conservative side the transgender issues
the same-sex marriage like right at the
very end he's a he got him in he's like
hot tricked you and then so it got
really really weird there for a while
for Christians right we're under attack
you know all this stuff has passed it
got really weird so Trump the cry for
Trump was like the right one three
months and we're doing what now there's
men taking a crap in a saint install
next to my daughter where are we at with
this we need a savior I'm here the
orange one I'm here to save you
so he's like the blowback and it's like
so right but I think they do that to
keep the to keep us doing this I think
that's just strategy of someone who is
controlling both of those sides just hey
we got them we got them good they'll
keep consuming keep them in fear make
them feel like they have a say so he
gets deep you know that's just my
opinion and but but we definitely could
see that uh that happening and some
other someone watch him back and now I
don't know I'm tryna I try not to get
into politics anymore because it's so
polarizing and I don't feel like it
really matters again I know there's
things that do matter right don't get me
wrong and some people are very
passionate and some people are called to
that I really do believe that it's Paula
white and those guys called to that I'm
not sure but they're there yeah you know
while they're there I guess I don't know
I I feel that and I don't doubt that
some of that stuff is real like I mean I
I'm no doubt there are people I mean
behind the scenes pulling strings and
and puppeteering and all that stuff but
for me like as much as anybody who
follows me online or whatever knows that
that I can be quite political at times
but for me it's not even really about
politics like and and it sounds like
like people don't really believe me when
I say that but it's not it's about your
whole life a mirror yeah yeah yeah it's
what are we like as people who are
calling ourselves Christians calling
ourselves follow followers of Jesus like
what type of Jesus are we presenting to
the world like we're presenting this
ugly picture and we're supposed to be
drawing people to the love of God and
all the while like it's you know it
comes down to what Jesus said about what
profit is it if we gain the whole world
but lose our soul and right now I feel
like the church is gaining the world
like as far as America we're winning
quote-unquote the culture battle or I
say we I don't really count myself as
part of that but like Christianity is
winning the culture battle um but like
at what cost you know but what what are
we doing as far as as far as reaching
people with with the love of God and I
feel like that this whole Christianity
winning has really set us back as far as
just ministering people which is what
we're here for
we're not here to push our own stuff
through you know we're not here win
we're here to be servants so that's I
mean that's that's really what it all
boils down to and year for me just I
want to see ya you also likened it to
was it King Cyrus King Saul King saw
where Israel became a nation and they
wanted a ruler they had God lording over
them
and being their god and being there
covering being a provider but I said now
we need somebody else we need another
one we like we like God but we need
another one give us another one and you
liken that election to watching how the
Christians were like begging for a ruler
and kind of liken that to King Saul like
okay because when they got when they got
what they were looking for it bit him on
the butt and any and it wasn't a
righteous thing right and I feel like
I've been seeing that like and honestly
you know all our lives we've been told
that there was going to come you know
there's gonna come a time when people
are gonna depart from the faith or you
know the the great falling away or the
separating of wheat from the chaff you
know whatever all those different
pictures Bible talks about and I feel
like recently that's been just pushing
like out of nowhere which which somewhat
like makes me believe that maybe there
is this is all building up to an end or
whatever but out of nowhere it seems
like there's been to me I knew it as a
great falling away in that people like
when there's a like an army or whatever
you know this army is moving forward and
when someone follows away from the army
or falls back that's they just stay in
the same place it's not like they're
running away or whatever they just stay
where they're at and and they're falling
back or falling away and I kind of see
that like now with with the election and
with all everything all the craziness is
going on right now I feel like the
Spirit is moving you know the Spirit of
God is moving forward and a lot of
Christianity has just like fallen away
like just like stayed ok I'm comfortable
here I'm just gonna stay right here you
know and so so yeah yes that's that's
kind of where it all comes down to for
me bigger than politics bigger than
who's president I mean don't get me
wrong I love politics
I can talk politics all day probably but
bigger than all that is just like well
we really had you on here for an
intervention
you know it's funny it's so funny we had
we had an inside joke that I still save
sometimes people don't get it but guard
your flock yeah and I want to say that
because we're having this talk about
Christ and stuff and I'm looking at this
for those of you who are watching you
can see this but people on a podcast
can't but you have a pagan you're
quoting a pagan philosopher right above
your head hang really did you don't know
who said that no I don't who said it it
says be the change you want to see in
the world yeah it's the same person who
said I like your Christ don't really
care much for his for your Christians
really I did not know that yeah I'm not
gonna tell you who it is because you're
gonna take it down no no that's uh
what's his name um I forget guys like
Gandhi but right is it that's a
beautiful true quote exactly but now you
know you said it you might feel a
certain type of weight at least back in
the day you would have I don't know
about now I'm pretty sure it's still a
beautiful quote no matter I don't care
if Satan came here and hey be the change
you want to see and laugh like hey
that's we could get behind that let's
just yeah talk let's let's walk the walk
yeah that's what let's do it let's don't
tell people I watched a video on that
today just people like this like you
telling people here about to start a
diet hey I'm about to start a fast ham
but I saw the podcast man do it telling
everybody I can show you better than I
can tell you I I tell God that all the
time I get with the Lord and I'm just in
worship and I'm like you want to tell
them what you're gonna do and stuff you
like you know long gonna show you Lord
because you try like give them lip
services like look man repent
brain for meat worthy of repentance and
showed me I won't sit here to talk about
it and tell people look let me see what
you're gonna do man don't talk about it
you know and I'll be the change you want
to see in the world man as uh isn't I
think is a beautiful quote I don't know
if my family or whatever
they heard the heard the intro the intro
man Christian rap are you working on any
music if you did would it be Christian
rap would you break down the gospel in
every song would you teach Bible stories
in every song would you say I like blue
y'all like some light blue your first
song I've ever heard that was a weird
song dude but it's a weird song but but
you know what I was thinking about it
even the other day of like when can I
get Sammy on I thought about that song
and that song is just even more true
today than ever yeah you know it's what
we're talking about you may like this
you may like that but at the end of the
day let us come together and walk in
love and unity and peace be the change
you wish to see yeah so uh quick a side
story funny story behind that song it
was a preacher actually I was in a
church service and they started they
were preaching about differences and how
we fight about stuff and they literally
started chanting I like blue you like
yellow and like hey drummer get me
something I was like hey I gotta put
that on the song but anyways but ya know
this is definitely still true um I'm I'm
working with stuff I'm a CAC I can't say
working I'm sitting on a bunch of stuff
bro I got a bunch of songs and songs
ideas and like beats and stuff that I've
written a bunch of stuff bro written a
bunch of stuff I've got a point where I
would I mean I think people would call
it that I wouldn't necessarily say I'm
setting out to write Christian music
quote-unquote um I definitely have a
worldview that that that seeps into
everything I do and that sounds like the
cliche answer that all the Christian
rappers are giving right now but but for
real like that's I definitely have a new
point that it kind of makes its way so I
mean I you can call it Christian rap I
don't I don't I just kind of talk about
you know talk about God and talk about
my life and so sometimes I'll like I
said sometimes I'll be bad guys
sometimes that'll be about
stuff I'm going through so I'm kind of
at a point where I'm maybe a little bit
too perfectionist so I'm trying to build
back up my recording studio or whatever
so yeah we're not we're not as
perfecting this as tape though he has a
drop nothing in so long he wants to but
he just I don't know if he will yeah you
know it shot the tape though tapes a
really good friend he's been there with
me even though he's you know gone on his
journey and did his thing but um yes I
thought the tape like especially with
this whole thing of watching it like
cave was good it was about to go to
Bible College but when all that stuff
was happening with me as being a
minister and becoming the laughingstock
and gossip and backbiting they've seen
what they they did to me he's like damn
if if they did that to him I'll do that
to me
then he seen them do it to Lecrae at the
same time he's like okay these folks
here like if I don't agree with
everything and and and sing their song I
can't be around them you know and so
tave that kind of shook him a little bit
he changed the course of his life and he
didn't go to Bible College and he said I
was a had a lot of impact on him so why
how you treat people man it's more
people watch him bro you know should be
it's definitely is a lesson for everyone
who was part of that and definitely
listened to me but I'm for sure man I'd
like to hear some more music for those
of you who don't know me and Samuel like
I said I kind of helped him get started
early on and he really progressed past a
lot of us early on stylistically he got
to kind of learn from us and and and get
there kind of you know I'm saying bypass
a lot of things that took us years to
learn as far as writing and and what he
should do and things like that and
Samuel took off really fast and you know
bypassed a lot of us with speed and
stylistically and putting really cool
stuff in your arms and for those who
want to look him up he's on a lot of my
stuff under sa-11 5 so if you type in
true seeker and then sa-11 5 we got a
bunch of really cool collabs together
some of them in the Christian rap phase
albums
some of it just pouring out to God one
of my favorite songs I've ever done it
done it's especially just my verse I
just really love my ramen scheme origins
and Oracle's you use less that with the
verse and we're on that one together but
he's got his own stuff too recently
featured on watchman's album pretty cool
verse but yeah you got your own stuff to
me so if you have any plugs where people
want to follow you or get to know you or
read some of these controversial tweets
and stuff work a date what can they find
you man I mean you can look me up on our
Facebook just my name Samuel McCray MCC
RA Y and that's and you can find me
there I don't right now I don't have an
artist page up on Facebook until I just
really want to like do it right when I
start putting music out again so for now
the artist page is down you can find me
on on Instagram at its Mac cray ITSM AC
r e IG H it's a little different
spelling of my name and then the same
thing twitter @ i TS ma c re IG h it's
MacRay you can find me on there and I
definitely I'm I keep saying I'm about
to drop some stuff I'm like I said I'm
sitting on a budget stuff I'm sitting on
it and some of it is insecurity like
looking back at some of the stuff that I
have done and gone man
I thought that was great back then but
now I look back and cringe so so someone
that's a little bit of that but but no
and then and yeah every so often I'll
post some you know some songs that I've
done honestly like my favorite songs
that I've done with you so like this I
mean a lot of stuff I've done a lot of
stuff with you but that's some of my
favorite stuff what my favorites is with
uh with cook so mo yes so I'm sorry
uploaded that the other day yeah my
favorite tracks that I've done that and
everything you know yeah that's a deep
deep when that that song means a lot
yeah
follow me I'm gonna be putting some
stuff out yes y'all make sure y'all
follow him Sam was a really cool guy
really good person to have in your
corner there's this little snippet here
we mention you know looking back compare
that to some of that some of the other
stuff like with the people the some of
the circle that we were running in right
there like she's still trying to pin the
guys
good stuff man yeah hey it's where you
come I mean I feel the same way about
fight music you know and most a lot of
people love it you know and uh ya know
it's
I still like some you know some of the
tracks for sure like I said I'm shining
still alright well I got to jump off
here ladies and gentlemen we can talk
all night and catch up we do need to
catch up some more man I love to see you
in person next time you're in town or
whatever the case is we need to catch up
good good catching up with you and
hearing your story so much more that we
could cover so much more that we didn't
have time to get into but brother I love
you I'm praying for you and in a way
that we we need to be praying for each
other and and I trust God enough like
you trust him that he's good and
faithful to complete that good and
faithful working which he started within
you and that's his job not mine not
anybody else's job not it's not in your
mom and dad's job either sorry mom and
dad it's God's job and I and he's good
he's good at what he does man God is
good at what he does and he's got you in
the right place for the right reason for
the right season there to reach certain
people and at the end of the day if you
don't stand for what you believe in who
will you know and be vocal about your
beliefs your learning all that kind of
stuff is part of a man but God loves you
for you you know that man and bless the
call your friend brother here for you
thank you for being there for me all
these years we got to catch up soon
absolutely man feel the same about you
love you for real for real and
appreciate your friendship and
definitely man I mean there's there's
times
we're like I said I work all the time
but there are times where I'm driving
I can definitely hit you up sometime or
something yeah sure like Oh times sake
get all the same time and phone
yes switch around I brother Shalom and
peace man love you bro I love you too
bro I'll talk to you later
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