Shamanic Yoga & The Mother Mantra | Selene Calloni Williams

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the podcast is Saleem Williams Saleem
how are you my friend welcome to the
podcast and I'm very happy to be here
with you well thank you I'm in Mobile
Alabama and the weather is not that nice
it's raining it's dark outside and it's
early in the morning but I am as well
excited to be here with you guys so yeah
looking forward to this discussion do
you want to introduce your son as well
in my job because you know the Russian
perfectly actually he got his degree in
Russian from Cambridge University and
now he's studying anthropology all
always at Cambridge and he asked me a
lot because I work usually with Siberian
shamans I go to Siberia two times per
year and he had me to understand this
incredible women and
which leaving the tabs and make
incredible amazing things
now they founded few months ago we
founded a shaman Union in order to have
to see the nature you know that in
Siberia before estar burning and this is
a really ecological disaster for a
planet and this is why shamans have
decided to found with shaman union and I
am a part of it me and my son we are
part of it and we want to really have
half nature's and from from a shaman
perspective the best thing to do to help
nature is help human beings to change
her thinking method which is not just
one set but the thinking method and try
to think in a different way try to see
that the multitude is in the 1 and the 1
is in the multitude try to see that the
things events happen not because they
have a causes but because they have a
and they have goals and you see my great
friend
Casimir with the siberian powerful
shaman always says but we can't we can't
have nature and our own bodies with the
same tools with with which with water
sorry we destroyed them we destroyed the
planet we destroyed our body and so we
have to
the tools and the tool of the tools is
our thinking method so we are here to
give an out a little hard to listen in
our newest a mission yeah yeah and so
just changing the consciousness of the
planet essentially right yeah okay so
for those people who are here with this
and we're talking about shamans and
shamanism for people who don't know what
that is can you unpack that a little bit
what is a shaman shaman means of the one
who knows and shaman and the people very
close to nature they are Animists and
they see God in nature when they say
when they pray God they pray the rain
they pray the woods they pray the water
they see God everywhere and they they
are able to see simultaneously the two
aspect of reality but visible and the
invisible the main job of a shaman is
the shaman journey which is a journey
across the great treasure the three
treasure is the threshold between
visible and invisible life and death
and unconscious and being a psychology
as well I really appreciate this ability
to cross the great treasure and I
developed myself visibility because I
think it is the most important
psychological act that a therapist can
do you see crossing the great treasure
and take someone with you is a great
therapeutical action don't you agree
Michael engine yeah because basically
indeed in the Magnificat translated in
western languages social purpose of a
shaman at the end is that of healing
people that's the main function we think
within a community and the shaman does
this by performing what my mom called
the shamanic journey because I mean the
shaman is basically what the ancients
the ancient Greeks called a cycle for a
ferryman between what could be called
the world of the living or the world
over there a world of the spirits and
the world of of us humans so in a
certain sense the shaman is in is a
bridge between different worlds not in
most a Siberian shamanic traditions they
they believe there are three levels of
the world there is another level of
spirits there is the middle earth you
could say where we which we have it and
there is an underworld where what were
demons you could say little yes yes and
you see in one of these three world
every everyone Azzam a bride or groom
you see this is why the center of
shamanic thought is a the mystical
desktop
the mystical marriage and I wrote a book
about that about the mystical marriage
which is entitled the maha-mantra the
shamanic yoga of non-duality and this
book was published in English by inner
traditions so it's available on Amazon
and even in the book shops in the US and
in this book I explained how to enter
the mystical marriage which is a very
powerful and happy condition to be
through the ancient some awesome
eudaimonia the word eudaimonia in greek
means being in companion of a good
diamond with a good diamond with a good
guide spirit having a good guide spirit
with you really changes on your life and
makes everything I teach them don't you
agree making yes yes awesome
so a shaman essentially a person who is
able to bridge the gap between the two
worlds let me ask you this so you
mentioned I said two worlds three worlds
as you guys put it so is there arm just
because you have the middle earth where
we are then you have the angels and the
demons are the demons in the underworld
is that necessarily bad or do the demons
assist us and and help us in things as
well no no definitely of all the
animistic traditions I would say to do
not happy but rather a horizontal view
so this this this world structure lacks
sort of ethical
it's not to say that the underworld of
demons is necessarily evil and envy the
world of all is good I must say that in
the last few centuries because shamanism
at least as savvy as has undergone a lot
of influence of Buddhism Islam and
especially Orthodox Christianity moral
concepts that belong to these religions
have sort of got into into shamanism
quite a lot so it will meet a lot of
friends that have this view that the
demons are bad the spirits of the of the
upper world are good and generally
shannon's divided themselves into
different germ lists in Siberia again
they divide themselves into black
caimans
white shaman's and they're also yellow
Feynman's that are buddhist shaman's but
generally the black caimans deal with
the forces of the underworld and the
white Raymond's deal instead with say
celestial forces and nowadays there is
this assumption that black caimans are
sort of involved in witchcraft and and
sort of negative verses and things like
that
exactly exactly once the wine shaman's
are the good ones the healers that is
not true absolutely not true it is
traditionally it simply shaman's that
have you could say different
specialities that deal with the
different types of illnesses and and
have her perform different little ritual
purposes in the community but as I said
with with the influx of different moral
systems this perception has changed with
some you know you mentioned Christianity
and Islam and some of these other moral
traditions kind of kind of sinking in
and I think that there's just a piece of
shamanism in all those religions as well
if for someone who is like a follower
of the Christian path right it's that
the shamanism go against their
traditional beliefs or would you say
that looking at the scriptures in the
life of Jesus was G was Jesus a shaman
shaman definitely I'm writing a book
about Mary Magdalene now and so I went
down in this topic and I definitely see
Jesus as a shaman you see a shaman is
someone who can perceive reality not
only through his thinking over thinking
mind but also with her or his heart you
see we have also an a thought of the art
not only a thought of it of the mind we
also had the fault of the art and a
Sherman is someone who can think through
his or her heart not only through his or
her mind and Jesus was definitely a
shaman from this point of view you see
and it was a mirror and his way of
healing was definitely similar to the
way of healing of Chamonix and and
crossed the great threshold and he came
back as exactly as the shamans do yeah
there's something that is known as the
shamanic death and stuff as well right
oh yes yes I was about that but
unfortunately is still not just
translated in in English has been
translated in other languages but not in
English
and I wrote a book about shamanic dothis
which is a ritual a ritual but every
real shaman as to perform before to
become a shaman is a ritual of death die
and be reborn Diane will burn and is a
really great and powerful ritual which
changes all your perspective you see I
think that until until individual has
not died and be burned he continues to
be unhappy and unsatisfied in this
planet Earth the dating life of the
death in life is a really key to shift
from suffering a pain illusions to
another completely different wave of
projection where pain is not suffering
but is powerful and energy is a very
high level another way of perceiving
reality where limitations are
opportunities and even death is not an
end just a transformation you see is a
question of awareness I think that human
beings the present human beings are full
of fear a full of fear because we live
in a dual state of consciousness where
and the world is a distinctive and
separated from the outer world is not
true and the world is is distinct but
not separated from the outer world and
so are bad and good which are distinct
but not separated but if you live in a
world where bad and good and wouldn't
our world are distinct and separated
then you live full of fear
you are full of fear every time
of course because you you are in fear of
bad you can't awake your real potential
your real possibilities if you want your
inner senses are contracted and closed
and so you can see the invisibility you
can't see what is hidden to the normal
senses and if you can't see what is
hidden to the normal senses of course
you you die of course you die you you
finish you end because at the moment of
dying
you can perceive your consciousness
which must be continuous between life
and death visible and invisible
interrupts interact cut off cut off
itself because of fear you see because
of fear
human beings are forced to have a death
like an end because they are not able to
be aware on the other side of the great
region and so they have a impression
what death is the end of everything but
is not
if you can be aware if you can see if
you can pursue cinema here and there in
the both side of the great treasured so
you perfectly you are perfectly able to
understand but death is not an end death
is just love as everything in this world
everything is love in this world and
Jesus is a it's the greatest teacher of
battle so he is but greatest Sherman but
we can refer to us you know what I mean
oh yeah I know I love it now I'm with
you on that too
it almost seems like you know we hear
terms like as above so below as within
so without
like there's this mirror image and it
almost seems like the two realms
you know the heaven in hell or the above
and be below they're almost like mirror
images of one another wouldn't you say
that my most argument was trying to get
across and and most of the essence of
feminism is this you see at the time of
oh oh oh man oh man oh man oh man at the
time of Homer only and the world existed
and everyone after death joined the
underworld the upper world entered in
the humanity unconscious only later with
the genius Virgil Virgil with Virgil but
before the Homer Homer times there were
only there in inferior who
which which has not to be seen as
inferior but as interior you see
paradise and has the division the
separation between paradise and half is
recently recently didn't exist at the
how many times I think that even comes
into Christianity as well like when
we're reading the scriptures there was
no mention of of Hell like in the Old
Testament Hell was like a state of
consciousness upon the earth that an
individual could walk in right it wasn't
somewhere that you go when you die going
to hell or to the underworld oh yes yes
I agree i perfectly agree the separation
between heaven and hell good and bad is
a question of powers because human
beings want power
they divided but two dimension in order
to be able to to have control upon
nature and upon other and you see
shamanism is a is a really great and
powerful tool to overcome this
separation and if you are able to
overcome this separation
your fear math math disappears and
because fear is because the very cause
of many diseases and sufferings so
melting metal fear is a really great
thing that we can do in order to react
repeat our body and nature absolutely
have tools to do something to have our
bodies and nature in this time and this
is why I am I believe about
shaman's and Nashua Hyuga in
particularly which is my topic can help
a lot well yeah that's that's why I
wanted to get into now so we're talking
about nature and how to interact but
there are practices
there's probably levels to it there's
some really deep ritualistic stuff but
then there's things that that everyday
people can do to interact as well right
like shamanic yoga that's kind of a new
term even for me we hear Transcendental
Meditation and different types of yoga
bhakti yoga and things like that
but what what is a shamanic yoga and
what what is that and when you mention
that term shamanic yoga is a very
primitive an animistic of course form of
yoga and it's about ecstasy we can say
that we do a shamanic yoga when we enter
a state of ecstasy and in this state
which is a state of non-dual
consciousness a state of trance aside
like trance-like state I mean when we
enter in the state we can do yoga in a
different manner we do yoga postures we
do breath control meditation all in this
state of ecstasy which is called
imaginal forest sometimes also psychic
forest so when we practice a shamanic
yoga at the beginning we enter the state
of consciousness we enter the imaginal
forest and once we are in we practice
yoga postures breath control meditation
all the yoga techniques and methods but
in a state of Estes ecstasy which is a
non dual state of consciousness as I
said
and how do you enter that state of act
ecstasy is it by doing the practice that
gets you to this state or is it
something else that will get you to the
aesthetic state first we have different
instruments for instance drumming music
chanting voice vibrations
repeating a mantra the Maha mantra is
very powerful nine repetitions of this
mantra allow you to enter the ecstasy
state and also our other tools we have
other tools like active visualization
all the tools of shamanic yoga are made
we say why son experience and mother
experience joined together the mother
experience is a visualization experience
and the son experience is an energetic
and body and experiences so in order to
enter the imaginal forest one has to
control the breath in order to rise the
energetic level of the body and then
also enter in a special particular
visualization and maybe singing and
singing a mantra or playing a drama this
is very helpful as well and once you are
in once you are in this state you are
exactly in the middle between visible
and invisible between conscious and
unconscious this is the dimension that
we call imaginal imaginal and not
imaginary or something
but imaginal imaginal is the
middle-earth is best space between
visible and invisible life-and-death
human and divine and this world where
all our images which become thoughts
ideas emotions and then events or the
images which become events take place in
this space that imagine so you
understand that being able to enter the
space is Veggie to become a co-creator
of reality I like that I've always kind
of went by the term shaman because it's
one who's able to kind of bridge the two
worlds and like we're able to access
those heightened states of consciousness
to go into what we would call the trance
state the dream state and get that image
for ourselves our dreams our life's
journey there's a lot of different names
and stuff that people have given this
their destiny Scrolls whatever to
commune with the higher power to commune
with God the higher self even go into
those states see that picture of what
they are supposed to be doing their
purpose in life and through these
spiritual techniques almost be able to
pull it out of that etheric realm and
embody it in the now moment it's almost
a sense of manifestation the law of
attraction even maybe the secret to be
able to go into the trance State and be
able to pull things out of that realm is
that what you're talking about with the
new changer changes forever and the
youth every time you take out something
very important but what I want to say
inspect them every moment in our life is
a shamanic journey but we have to be
aware
for instance when we eat even when we
breathe when we fall asleep when we wake
up when we change our food we make a
shamanic journey we undertake a shamanic
journey you see for instance when we eat
something be it an apple a character we
carries alive between one side to the
other of a great threshold and nobody
can do that without undertaking the
journey himself
that's art you see so every time you eat
something you do a shamanic journey but
if you are not aware of that you can't
really take out from this action you can
really take out from eating what eating
can give you and this is why people
nowadays have an operatic really
neurotic relationship with food and
aging because in our society which is a
death sacralized society we have lost
the ability to understand the real
meanings the real meaning of our action
because we love the invisible side of
things you see
and even when you when you breathe you
do you take a journey when you breathe
out you manifest everything that exists
and when you breathe Li you reabsorb or
withdrawal everything all the
projections all the images so if you are
really aware of your breath you can see
that life and death are simultaneously
and intertwined and if one can see
clearly but life and death are
intertwined one go beyond fear you see
goes beyond fear and this is my kids
live a fulfilled life I think it was
important you were you were saying
earlier about the shaman being a bridge
again I think that and you were saying
how I'm being a bridge he is able to to
lead you to do that invisible dimension
where you're able to realize a lot about
your lives in that sense the shaman is
even more even more than average she's a
creator in a certain sense of reality
because you could even say that the the
the role of a shaman is very close to
that of a poet in especially in
societies where poets do have a an
important purpose like I think of
ancient Greek society where I mean the
word poet after all come from it comes
from for years which means the creation
making some and not the poet was was a
person who in a certain sense created
reality because just like a famous a
poet goes back to the mythical level of
existence and
and it's what my mom was saying in the
sense that behind all actions in our
life lies in myth lies to put it in
Psychological terms an archetype and and
and when you go to Siberia when you meet
these shapes really understand that one
of the most powerful tools that they
have is storytelling and shamanism like
whole animistic tradition is really
strongly intertwined with mythology and
the case of shamanism of course with
Turkic and Mongolian mythology of course
shaman's were very present in in ancient
Greek against society with all wisdom
etc which was all intertwined with with
the Greek mythology so yes the Fremen is
a bridge but he's also there that the
creator of a whole interpretation of
exists through storytelling through our
inner narrative we create our reality
and through storytelling we can change
our reality well just like we're talking
about Homer he created this hell that
the underworld and he gave you pictures
in different levels of torment and
different levels of purging and you know
those how they give you a visual
representation and essentially he
created it for you because now it's an
adopted thing and it's a part of our
religions and things like that it's
something that artistically he created
you know he went into the ethers of the
mind and pulled it out and I was
presenting it to you and it's become
many people's truths right not
necessarily that it's good you know I'm
not saying it's good but he he created
something like that right it's you know
giving it to Christianity like their
concept of Hell comes from that you know
I think that
we the Greek mythological narrative I
think still lies very much as the
Christian narrative like that at the
basis of our society at the basis of our
moral system on the basis of even a
metaphysical and-and-and a scientific
even view of God of the world and and
that is why going back to mythology
going back to narrative is really the
key to understanding who we are and what
we we are doing as individuals and as
the as a civilization yeah I think
there's a resurgence now and we're
having this conversation and many more
people are whether shamanism or just the
eastern traditions and spirituality
Native American spirituality while all
this stuff's coming back there's a
scripture in the Bible that's really
close to my heart and it talked it says
to go back and revisit the ancient path
and there at the ancient past the
ancient ways you'll find rest for your
souls right and so just going back to
these ways that have been forgotten by
by society today and our ancestors
practices they knew about this type of
communication they knew about breathwork
in yoga and Transcendental Meditation so
it's nothing new it's very a resurgence
of something very old what what are some
of the ideas that come across through
maybe even plant medicine is that
something that you guys participate in
because I know like from the shamanic
tradition they believe that the spirits
behind the plants they would they want
to teach us as well so the different
plant teachers whether it be ayahuasca
psilocybin mushrooms and things like
that this really catching on now and
people are going to the Amazon people
are taking these trips to reconnect to
their spiritual roots so how do you guys
practice the use of plant medicines at
all practice them also that I took
ayahuasca and what I can say now is that
in the medicine plants the reason a
spirit a forest spirit of a spirit of
the forest and you see in my opinion
taking something from outside in order
to enter a state of ecstasy which is an
amplify the state of consciousness could
be useful a button only if you do that
once twice is too much because if you if
you do it twice it's because you haven't
recognized the spirit being in you in
the first time you see and so we did you
didn't you you didn't really meet a
spirit once you take a medicine plant a
spirit enter within you and you have to
recognize this and be able to understand
but visas forever and you don't need to
do it twice you don't need to do it
twice once is enough one that is enough
[Laughter]
is enough you see and yes this is my
opinion anyway in shamanic yoga we enter
ecstasy we enter amplified state of
consciousness and we undertake the
shaman occur journey absolutely without
anything from outside all the
possibilities our webinar
and we and they take a journey through
something that is within us we don't
need anything outside and it's very
interesting because we're going through
I mean I don't have much experience of
South America as my mom does but going
through through Siberia Central Asia
will often ask different shaman's what
they think about this not because you
would meet shaman's that would do
everything completely drunk having drawn
two bottles of vodka or smoking a pie or
you will meet a shame and who instead
would say absolutely not you shouldn't
be under the influx of any substance
it's it's blasphemous to to to consume
any substance during a ritual and what
you come to realize is that the basic
rule of feminism is that there are no
rules
feminism is is a very personal
experience and every single somehow
plays his role as a shaman so connects
with with with different worlds connects
with in a very individual way in the way
which works for him or her just as the
way in which they became shaman's is
very personal and and I think that's
that's something important to take away
that authentic spiritual experience is
something subjective it's what works for
you personally and what I really
personally like about shamanism is the
fact that in true shamanism emphasizes
the the sink receives the specificities
of the individual yes perfectly
I perfectly I remember my true manic
yoga teacher when offered me
medicine plant before to do that it
brought me into the forest and it told
me Selena
he asked me who is breathing who is
breathing I died to thinking oh my god
who is breathing it's me no it's not me
I said to myself because when I breathe
out and I am me I emit co2 and the trees
breathing my co2 and white wire and I'm
breathing in trees produce and oxygen
and when I breathe in I breathe in the
oxygen that tree produced so who is
breathing who is breathing it's not me
and so I have served mmm it's not me I
don't know who is breathing but it's not
me and so my teacher said okay you know
you can take the plant now you can take
the plant
otherwise if if someone take a medicine
plant you see keeping isn't over
consciousness within the sense of I I in
the sense of I if you are in the sense
of your eye and you take a medicine
plant the result is that you burn some
synapses first of all you have to go out
you have to go out the walls of your eye
you have to go out the sense of your eye
you must be able to enter the inner
space where outside inside visible and
invisible in
deidre and forest are distinct but not
separated you see once you are in this
stage of consciousness then if you take
a medicine plant you do a proper journey
and you don't run the risk to burn your
sign synopsis if you are in the in the
cage if you are in the prison of your
eye and you take a medicine plant your
honor ease because you have fear if you
are in in your sense of why you are in
the fear and if you are in the fear and
you take a medicine plant you run always
a risk a big risk so better to be able
to go out of a sense of I before to take
a medicine plant scram we have a
question here from the chat Kris garner
wants to know as far as the shamanic
path is concerned how do shamans view
empathy and being empathetic being able
to feel the emotions of you know maybe
not just people in spirits but even the
earth feel the emotions of the earth and
learn to sing that song and communicate
healing that way so do you guys talk
about you know being empathetic at all
being able to feel the energies from
that other people are sensing and stuff
like that yes because you see once you
are beyond morals which separate bad
from good and evil from from good when
you are beyond moralism
you acquire the power of inclusiveness
and a shaman is also some
who got the power of inclusiveness
through is true the kind of his or her
invisible lover the guide spirit the
guide spirit you see and be inclusive
having the power of inclusiveness
doesn't mean simply perceive the
emotions of the other but means being
the average you see any further than
that I think that what you're getting at
is that shamanism tends to substitute a
an ethical perception of the world that
is other people but also as he was
saying nature and and the cosmos in
general substituted the ethical
perception of the world with a
anaesthetic of anesthetic that's not the
way aesthetic doesn't mean beautiful but
going back to the original recruit of
the world puts at the center the feeling
not aesthetical as the opposite of an
aesthetical now and and so they and they
they change completely the narrative of
which we see saints not for example now
the the burning of forests in the Arctic
or the Amazon rainforest we seed as as a
biodiversity or ecological disaster we
see as as the loss of people who put it
in terms of economical loss what the
Freeman say and what the things have
been saying it's a Eva for example is
that a know that the forests are crying
the forests are dying in a way as if to
to to to sort of personalize these
forests talking about them as if the web
people with a movie such as out
I feel that that is an aesthetic
perception of of the vimana writing
saying absolutely absolutely we always
say in shamanic shamanic path that
aesthetic experience is the great
alternative to therapeutic model if the
therapeutic model is seems to be they
only go to solutions for all kind of
problem we can't feel bad very an
alternative which is not an alternative
therapy but which is an alternative to
therapy you see because therapy is an
aesthetic and aesthetic aesthetic
aesthetic experience which is also an
aesthetic a poetic experience which is a
shamanic experience is the experience of
inclusiveness which is bringing back the
soul to everything na na nun began by
saying we live in a decentralized world
and I believe that this shift from ethic
to aesthetic this saying at the forest
is dying the forest this crime is a
bringing back of the soul into into into
everything to that world with which with
objectified and which we have therefore
subjected to considerations of a purely
economic kind yes and I think these
encounters also the true Christianity
the Christianity of the origin you see
at the beginning a bill and kind were
brothers and to be brothers in the meat
means to be two faces of the same
reality two faces of the same reality
but
afterward you ceilings
everything went lost because human
beings want power and in order to have
power in order to have control you have
absolutely to separate and divide but
from good and this is not in nature
nature as sad as my son said nature as a
know his own perspective and not a
vertical one like the minders that's
good
what is the mother mantra is a mantra
mantra is a vibration is a vibration you
see they used very happy to survey used
to fooders
the central Ethiopia awareness in their
in in the I in the sense of I is a very
habit of our civilization and our one
can go beyond that it's not easy because
the condition mount is very deep in
ourselves so we have to go deep down in
order to cleanse the conditioned mind
and we have to reach our organs because
the condition mount is in our organ
cells is in our body we have to to go
very deep down and through a mantra we
can do that because a mantra is a
vibration and through a vibration of the
mantra we can reach the mind of ash
which is a vibrational form of
consciousness and the mantra is a very
powerful tool and but the maha-mantra
tradition is not only the repetition of
the man the man traumatic tradition as I
said before is when Corum shamanic yoga
teachings and either the tradition of
the mystical marriage many practices and
healing exercises are known in this
traditional and always practices and
healing exercises are done with with the
company of our guide spirit we which is
seen as a bride or groom as an invisible
lover in the shamanic traditions of the
world and in my book always practices
and healing exercises are well described
so through the book and I think people
can do a lot and if it is not enough
they can go on my websites for instance
and on my website Selina colonias
dot-com there are a lot of webinars free
webinars and videos in which I'll
describe how to do how to enter by much
not forest how to practice by healing
exercises how to enter the mystical
marriage and and so on I think we are
very powerful truths very necessary
nowadays proper present you my beings
awesome yeah it's really good work and
thank you so much for coming on I got
another question for your son when's
your book coming out - when I'm starting
some research on on Central Asian
shamanism at Cambridge and then we also
man yeah I really enjoyed this
conversation guys thank you so much for
hanging out with me again Celine your
website is Celine Cologne Williams calm
in there you can check out the book and
you have a bunch of resources and
teachings and stuff on your website your
website's really well-made so yeah make
sure everybody you guys head on over
there check out the book and everything
that she has as well so is there
anything that we didn't cover that you
guys wanted to speak on man before we go
I think we did a great overview just
touching on a lot of different subjects
and just kind of giving an over overview
about what shamanism is and to not to be
scared of it and you know we do have a
decent sized Christian audience here and
it's awesome to kind of bridge the gap
even there to let them know that their
founder Jesus was a shaman as well one
who is very well versed in working with
the spirits and and back and forth
between the worlds
quite literally even write something
about Gnosticism which which was and is
also the Christianity esoteric
Christianity in the esoteric
Christianity you see we can find the
mystical marriage image - and it's a
marriage between a Christ and Sophia
Sophia yes and Sophia the world the
Sophia in Greek means knowledge and
Christ Islam Christ and Sophia have
never to be divided
they have always to be together in every
one of us
you see if we divided the knowledge from
love then we have trouble and Jesus is a
really great master a really great
teacher who can teaches us how to do to
keep wisdom wisdom and love wisdom and
love always together in our in our
society because is a Disick relized
society who knows the one news doesn't
have a power and the one who have power
doesn't know yes - where is a knowledge
of the power but is very such knowledge
of the one who has power but is a
technical knowledge is a strategic
knowledge and the one who knows doesn't
have power because he is a true truth
seeker you see and he is interested in
seek the truth and not in the power this
is why this division is separation
between knowledge and power in our
civilization is a really great problem
in my opinion we need that person who
has knowledge are also willing to get
power and to guide society to a new
different dimension which must be
absolutely by the nation of law we need
leaders in our society who are able not
only to have a technical strategical
knowledge but who are able to love and
to feel through love we need that and we
need that urgently urgently someone like
Donald Trump the quite opposite of what
you just said you know you know I find
it funny because Joe Rogan from the Joe
Rogan podcast he says that he thinks
that all the leaders need to get up and
do mushrooms together and then let them
experience eternity let them experience
the heights of the heavens and the
depths of hell and let them exceed what
reality really is and then they will
come back more loving more empathetic
and more ready to serve people versus
serve the big pharma companies in the
big oil industries and things like that
so that's his say that's all we need to
do just get them all together and let
the plants teach them right I think it
would change their lives but I don't
know if it would happen in a perfect
world it would but I thought that was
interesting that he said that sounds
awesome so do so in the book there are
some techniques and things that you give
are there any videos and stuff on the
website that actually show you guys
doing the practice and stuff as well
about making in practice and people can
can practice looking at the videos it's
very it's very easy
shamanic Yoga is a very easy way of
doing yoga because it's a very ancient
yoga and so it's simple that you see
when you go back in time and you reach a
simple very simple that's good stuff
I love it and I'm very all the practices
that you that you said I like to
encompass as well we talk about you know
I'm a poet as well so what I bring to
the table in creating these realms and
these mystical experiences through my
music and in we talk about the power of
it and other people listen to the music
and it allows them to kind of journey
and go on those experiences as well and
which is really interesting the power of
the poet or the creator as you said and
that's definitely we have the music the
music raises vibration or put you in a
trance state anyway and then you have
the lyrics and the intention and
everything and the sounds and you know
the different frequencies even in the
output data waves and binary Oh beats
and things like that it creates for a
beautiful you know experience through
meditation as well so that's awesome you
mention that I mean the most important
tool of any treatment is the drama
definitely singing with with a drum is
at the center is the way in which
shaming reaches that stage but my mom
calls ecstasy that trance-like state
through music through with his the drum
but that's just the beginning right you
have the drum you maybe have incense you
maybe have to breath work the
visualization all combined together the
beautiful thing is which I like this
indigenous path which more people are
going back to is because you don't need
anything outside of you and that's even
the thing with the the plant medicines
is you have to seek something outside of
yourself to get you in that state when
really everything that's already within
your breathing technique your
visualization chanting mantras it's all
things that we can do by ourselves and
we don't need anything outside of
ourselves which is the really cool part
about the de spiritual path of the of
the the ancients and I believe Jesus
taught that too right obviously what we
have in Christianity is something
totally different than what Jesus
brought to the table but that's where
the power really lies in is that we all
can enter in wherever we are no matter
what belief system we have these
practices
there's no respecter of persons right
they work for everybody right I feel the
Jesus figure image very close by me and
you see I come from a very Christianity
terrain environment I have a grandma was
Shaymin and she was so Christian and so
close by Jesus and so I realized since I
was very young that we also Western
people we have a shamanic strong
traditions which goes through
Christianity and now I think that we we
must be able to recover to remember this
tradition it's very useful for us for
nature and for for for Christianity as
well because we have I think we have to
have Christianity to remember its origin
and get rid of God mode yes institution
institution have done yeah that's that's
pretty much my assignment and you know
and I work in the Christian realm
somewhat and going back just reading the
Bible and just seeing how in touch these
people were with the spirit world I mean
they were interacting with angels they
were going into trance State they were
fasting and just only eating
some vegetables for a prolonged period
of time and in the midst of doing that
they would meet with angels and things
like that so the Bible is full of these
beautiful encounters and experiences
that to me you enter those states
through shamanic yoga right you there's
the the spiritual practice and the
spiritual beliefs of the Ancients right
I think you know they don't it doesn't
say that but you doesn't use that term
right in the Bible but I think some of
the things that they were doing and
walking in a spirit of love and knowing
that love was the highest form of
operation and and and doing that and
being able to conquer your fears and
transcend the lower levels of reality
and things like that so it's it's really
beautiful won't like you said being able
to help Christianity remember who they
were not become something different but
just remember who you were you crazy
yeah it's a shamanic ritual you eat the
body Christ the Christ the body of
Christ and you drink the blood of Christ
this is a shamanic ritual you see in
shamanism a similarly Twala
is well known since the times of your
region since with very ancient time
shamans perform such a ritual because we
are perfectly aware but Christ is
everywhere everywhere love is Christ
innocent and so if you eat an apple
which gives itself for you if you eat a
tomato or a carrot which gives its life
for you
so what you eat at the end what you eat
at the end you eat now
you'd love so everything everything we
can eat is love everything we can eat is
cry
everything we can drink is love
everything we can drink is Christ and we
have polluted water
we have contaminated food that means but
we have contaminated Christ we have
contaminated water
we have contaminated an idea of God
we have contaminated our feeling of love
and we have to cleanse the transit and
this means that we have to remember that
origins we have to remember where that
beginning you see of our faith so good
yes I think that faith is the greatest
power of human being safe and long are
two faces of the same reality and safe
love love fever is the greatest power of
human beings if you if you can remember
this power you have everything you don't
need anything else
motivation productivity invention you
see all that yes you mention of us
illusion of the mind we have only one
great power which is faith and law faith
law and if we recover if we remember
this power we we don't need anything
else
we have everything we have the freedom
and in freedom everything is included
wellness
richness are all expect of freedom we
must be free and in order to be free we
need to remember our power of faith and
loss we need to remember Jesus Christ I
love it
wah Celine thank you for coming on you
and your son I enjoyed your presence as
well man thank you guys for hanging out
with me really enjoyed this episode
again right here at the last moment
let's go and plug your website again one
more time for everybody
I love it guys thanks so much man I'd
love to have y'all back on again thanks
so much
many blessings bye-bye
loved it Celine Kalani Williams and her
son great addition to the podcast man I
loved it just talking about returning
again to the ancient paths man shamanic
yoga it almost seems like just all of
the indigenous spirituality combined
right so I think I think in some some
ways were all students of shamanic yoga
we're all influenced by it right there's
many different types of yoga mindfulness
for Yoga Kundalini Yoga but I think it
encompasses a little bit of all of it
the rhythm of the drum puts me under
hypnosis I knowing it by the fire of
tongues that's close cloven Hebrews
mystics prophets chosen share it with
the world not truth is spoken the drums
meant all of these things you know and
I've been telling people recently just
trying to introduce them to breathwork
and how powerful that is and putting
that in trying that with your
meditations and with your your closet
time and things like that but the drums
the drums and the rhythm and then
getting your body and your spine in
motion in
with the drums as well it's so powerful
man the new tool CD album just got
leaked fear inoculum comes out in four
days but it's leaked and I got to listen
to it some this morning and then it's
amazing the the music every song is over
ten minutes and it's almost like a
spiritual experience in and of itself
that you can put on and go in so if you
listen to this album like and you
meditate close your eyes and go within
move your body do some of the different
koreas and some of the different bodily
positions with the breath work I mean
the number two on the album it's a song
called Numa which is about the sacred
breath and returning to the the breath
and remembering the breaths
don't forget the breath guys right
embrace listen to that song while doing
breathing exercises oh my goodness it
that in and of itself is a spiritual
experience and so the new tool that the
new tool album is a tool for us to enter
those states man it's awesome because
the different timing signatures and the
lyrics that are being spoken the tones
man it is so beautiful so that's how
that's something that we could we can
embrace I'd love to do that with a group
of people just go and meditate listen to
that freaking album man
the timing signatures the drums man
there's in it it's an experience that's
a rollercoaster of just the really soft
tones and then taking you on to some
different heavier melodies and stuff
like that so it's really beautiful
embracing all of it I don't think that
there's one that's greater than the
other I don't think that there's I don't
think that you even have to do them all
together but it's like the more the
merrier right you got your incense
burning you got some crystals around you
you got you know you have the
aromatherapy with the incense light
healing right you got your light on with
you put on some good healing light some
green light green light meditation man
the frequencies and tones that you're
listening to in your meditation and then
the drums and then the chanting chant
the ohms of the arms or the different
mantras again to talk about the mother
mantras the name of her book of another
mantra that is really beautiful near and
dear to my heart is the mantra ramadasa
ramadasa saw say so hung there's
different ways that you can do it I'm
not the best at doing those mantras in a
group of people I really don't like this
to hear the sound of my voice doing that
back because I don't think I'm that good
at it but when I'm by myself and I tap
in by myself and I'm doing these mantras
even if it's just doing the ohm mantras
doing it in a three part syllable the
three different parts you can feel it
the eye starts off in the stomach and
you're vibrating the the the O is more
in the throat and then the mmm is all in
the face and you can feel it stimulating
the third eye you can feel is
stimulating the third out the pineal
gland so if you have all that stuff and
you combined it you're trying to leave
your body there you go all the tools are
there you're trying to meet with God
there you go trying to encounter angels
summon UFOs there you go you create it
with the imaginal force of the mind and
then it becomes reality it's different
if it's just strong delusion and you're
just imagining things that aren't there
but when it it almost all is just not
there right because there's no proof
until it crosses the threshold into this
reality now we've done something you're
summoning UFOs people think you're crazy
wait one peered through one showed up
okay hold on something's happening
you're out there trying to summon UFO is
praying for angels to show up and it's
just this weird place in the mind that
you like I'm gonna go there I'm gonna
engage this to see if there's anything
there then it shows up your meeting with
angels in the etheric realm who were
giving you blessings or whispering
wisdom to you but then it shows up in
your waking state you were able as a
summon to go
to the that realm and pull something out
you were able to bid the angels to show
up and they made an appearance again
with the with the dualistic nature of
everything there's there's pros and cons
there's good and bad right be careful
don't get caught up in the worshipping
of angels as some have who is so easily
bewitched you from the simplicity of the
gospel right there's these things these
warnings these checks that we got to
make sure that we're not so far out
there that we're so spiritually minded
that were no earthly good but the shaman
the mystic someone who stands in the in
the in the gap in the threshold between
heaven and earth and is a bridge of the
two which is through the the christian
mystic would approach that through
christ and what he did and he torn the
veil that we can freely travel that we
can freely have access to the Father and
we don't need to go to a pastor we don't
need to go to a an altar but we create
an altar within our own heart and within
our own homes and within our own sacred
space that God comes in and fills the
temple how through the breath
experiencing God and as close as your
next breath and being able to feel the
Holy Spirit to be able to be at one to
be meditating with your feet on the
ground sitting out in nature the cool
breeze blowing against your face and you
can your Trent you're immediately
transported back to that place where I
had them walked with God in the cool of
the day and then you're not just at one
with yourself you're not just at one
with your family and your friends and
the other believers you're at one with
all of creation the birds the insects
the worms they're communicating you
learn their song it moves on it becomes
it gets a lot bigger your spirituality
your theology gets a lot more inclusive
and you see how small you really are in
this whole scape of things and how
everything is meant to be here
everything exists for a reason
and you feel the wind blow and you look
at the trees and the wind just begins to
move to the
trees and it almost is like an entity
that's pushing the trees these
experiences men that we were talking
about just Sunday morning on our Cyr
classes like we just was getting into
some really deep conversation and you
know we can talk about this stuff and I
know that talking just like the brother
said how the the poet you know it's
creating it and it's creating something
within people when they hear this
they're just they want more they're
wanting to draw away I mean I look at my
music and it's all there you know but
it's it hits different individuals
differently some people here turn it off
I don't like it I don't believe it I
don't even know what you're talking
about you're making up you're making it
up as you go some people say that other
people would hear it and be like man it
ignites something within them to go
outside to begin to stargaze to go and
book a flight to Salt Lake Washington to
go to James Gillan's East Eddy ranch and
go have an encounter there for
themselves to book a shaman to book a
session with a Reiki Master or healer or
one-on-one session over the internet
whatever it is man but just to kind of
step out it's unlocking things within
you as we're dealing with energy as
we're dealing with the language of light
the higher vibration of love it's all
it's all love she said faith in love the
two high is right they complement one
another one doesn't exist without the
other the Bible says that faith that
love is what fuels your faith love is
like your faith in action right it's not
just having faith of just believing in
the unseen but it's about walking in and
doing something well we believe in
angels yeah we believe in demons but
have you engaged them have you seen them
you can all of this stuff is possible
and more and it is embraced through what
we've talked about today shamanic yoga
these rituals everybody wants to terms
in traditions you know they want to own
it I've this is mine this is ours
I want to put a distinction between the
two this is universal here o Israel the
Lord is one God is not divided he's in
both realms the good the bad the ugly
I'm the LORD thy God I created light and
darkness is what the scripture says but
you but there in there is notice there's
no difference but you need the two there
is not one without the other
the yin and the yang they're both
together the good and the bad learn to
rejoice within both as the Apostle Paul
said I am content I could do all things
through Christ no matter what season of
his life that he's in he knows that it's
all working together for his good and
that's what we need to needs to be
imparted to us a level of gratitude so
strong that nothing can pull you off of
that path nothing can deter you off of
the road that God has put you on and God
has called you to
yeahthere's trials of tribulations
there's doubt there's fears and all
these things but they all work together
for your good working and building and
releasing something in you that can't be
bought they tried to buy the gift of God
they tried to buy the Holy Spirit it
can't be bought this is something that's
gonna take a lifetime to cultivate a
lifetime to walk in and and and as you
maintain it and you work with it in the
different levels and complexities than
the different points of view of the Holy
Spirit and of God's plan for your life
you're able to see it in everything
working for your good in everything not
just the good things the fun times
without the bad times there are no fun
times do you have no you have no
contrast there there's nothing to
compare it to you don't know what the
light is until you've sat in utter
darkness thank God for the darkness
thank God for the light for all of it
this beautiful journey which God the
Father is the author and the finisher of
our faith this is beautifully written
out your path is beautifully written
there's a plan and a purpose for you
don't grow weary in well-doing
get with the author of that plan get
with the one who wrote it how first of
all we get to it through love itself
which is Jesus right but then the
practice the spiritual practice do the
same things Jesus did shamanic yoga the
trance state singing worship look all
through its all throughout the
Scriptures man I try my best to give you
examples and bring this stuff out but it
is a attainable for everyone and in as
much as you're willing and able to
believe God for it's available it's
possible that's how like you know that's
between you and God
you know if the Bible says that
whatsoever you believe it'll be given to
you according to your faith according to
your faith not my faith nothing shall by
any means being impossible unto you well
what's that nothing well nothing is
different for each one of us that
nothing is different nothing - you may
be trying to heal your ancestral path
nothing for me may be trying to pay the
bills this month nothing for someone
else is restoring a marriage it says
nothing shall by any means be impossible
unto you
it'll be given to you according to your
faith according to the way that you
believe nothing is impossible all things
are possible for he has turned our
mourning into dancing our sorrow into
joy our night and today believe God for
it man and he's got you this far but
he's got greater things in store your
best days are ahead of you believe it
that's the Bible believe it it's for you
prophesy to your life guys man I really
enjoyed this talk it was really good
the indigenous path and I'm stepping a
little bit closer into mine as well
and I'm having fun doing it and
remembering is say I get we get we get
caught up sometimes and we you know I've
said this many times I don't learn
anymore I'm just kind of trying to
articulate and teach the things that
I've spent years learning well you know
what we all have to tap in through
practice and so that's what we do on the
Sunday seer class in the in the Thursday
night school of the Mystics we do that
together as a body as a group and it's
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we're gonna be doing that and more so
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