Sequentiality: The Right Sequence of Steps | John Vespasian
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into
helping you obtain your goals, your
dreams. And he's got some steps and
sequences and things that he's actually
got map mapped out in nine books so far.
I think all of these books kind of work
together, but today we're going to be
speaking about his latest book. My guest
today is John Vespasian. John, welcome
to the True Seeker podcast, sir. How are
you? Hi Derek, thanks for having me on.
Awesome, man. Thank you for coming on
with me. Um
no video today. You don't really show
your face. I I tried to find pictures of
you. There's not really anything online.
Uh that's true. That's true. I try to to
keep my privacy. Something that I
recommend
in my books that people should try to
separate their business from their
private life unless you are
a celebrity, an artist, performer. I
think for most people
it's a good way to go to separate their
business from their private life.
Yeah, there's a lot of
musicians and artists who've come out
over the years who wear masks or even
change their look on stage for that
reason so that they can go out to eat
with their family on a Friday night at a
restaurant, you know what I'm saying
without being bombarded with people
wanting to take pictures and autographs
and just everybody in the whole
restaurant staring making it
uncomfortable. They've they've worn
masks or like I said even change the way
that they look on stage so that they can
keep that privacy.
That's important especially if you
travel.
I happen to live in Europe and I travel
a lot. So
this is what I recommend so I try to
to preach with example.
That's good stuff.
Um it's getting kind of weird like I'm
getting a little bit more renowned.
People are starting to recognize me in
public. People know who I am you know
before I know who they are and it it's
kind of awkward.
Um I could see where that would come in
handy to try to keep your face off the
stuff, you know. It it does get awkward.
People coming up to you and
um, you know, wanting to wanting to talk
and and and just like mid-conversation
cutting you off and just kind of it gets
kind of weird. And I guess the the more
renowned and the bigger you get, it only
gets worse, right?
Yeah, especially
if you have long-term plans and you
expect to grow exponentially the next
years,
I think it's very good to develop a
stage persona that's separated from your
private life. Mhm.
That's good. So,
you got nine books. This is your ninth
book, which is
um,
sequentiality.
We've heard of spirituality, we've heard
of all these other alities, but
sequentiality.
All of these books kind of work together
and have come to a head with this latest
one. Talk a little bit about what that
term sequentiality means.
Yeah, sequentiality
is an approach
to personal development.
The the word sequentiality comes from
sequence.
What I have done in this book is to show
an alternative to the current paradigm,
which is positive thinking.
Nowadays, you will not open a book on
personal development without reading
about positive thinking. Seems to be the
absolute truth. Seems to be what
everybody has to do. And what
sequentiality does is to show through
historical examples, because all my
books are based on history, they are
based on on real
persons,
that there is an alternative.
There is an alternative that does not
involve
so much emotional energy, because the
pro One of the problems with positive
thinking is that it eats up all your
energies. Unless you are
naturally extroverted, and there are not
that many people who are naturally
extroverted, maybe 10%.
If you try to be
overly enthusiastic
all the time, even when you're feeling
down, very cheerful,
you will not have energy for doing
anything else. It will eat up all your
energies, it will consume
all your resources, and you will not get
anything done.
And the idea of sequentiality is that in
most cases
I would say 90% people will achieve much
more in life, in their careers, in their
personal life, in their personal
finances, if they just focus on finding
the right sequence of steps. This is
what I call sequentiality to find the
right sequence of steps instead of
getting so emotionally worked up because
it's it consumes your energies, it does
not lead anywhere.
So, you have a bunch of steps here.
There's different ways that we can find
these steps,
categorize them, make sure we're taking
the right steps, asking the question.
There's a bunch of stuff that you have
outlined to actually do that. So,
is this personal? Is this some things
that
have have kind of happened for you to
kind of get to that level where you want
to be?
No. What I have done in the book is to
take a look at biographies of different
people, different centuries,
and to draw the patterns that show how
people find the sequence of steps. There
is not
a universal formula 1 2 3 4 5. This is
what you have to do. This would be very
unrealistic because everybody's going to
have his own background, his own
circumstances.
But, there are patterns, and I can give
you a few patterns from different
stories. One of the patterns that
emerges
when you look at hundreds of biographies
of people who have been very successful
is that in whatever area they work, no
matter which country, which century, it
does not really matter, you will find
always in successful people, people who
are also very happy,
that they have spent years of their
lives uh building some kind of assets.
And this is not uh self-evident because
when we talk about assets, more most
people will think about money, they will
think about houses, but it's not uh the
only type of assets. If you build the
skills, if you build uh social networks,
if you build uh reputation, those are
assets, and many people have built uh
very successful careers
uh on this type of assets. But uh it's
almost impossible
uh to become, I would say, uh
successful, uh to do it to a good
extent, it's almost impossible to become
uh happy in the long term if you are not
building constantly some kind of assets.
Uh if you are very
um
uh introverted, if you are very
isolated,
uh if you are very aggressive, and
sometimes you see this uh
uh hedge fund managers, they are
extremely aggressive, but they don't
build some kind of assets, uh you have
to start every day from scratch. And
this is something that uh whatever
uh biography you look into in the past,
and I have uh in this book I have
compiled about 30 different biographies,
um
this is a pattern that you will always
find.
Who were some of the people that you've
kind of um st- studied with with the
these paths and steps?
Yeah. Let me just give you an example.
Uh one of the um biographies I presented
in the book, and I found it uh super
interesting, uh is the life of Humboldt,
uh Alexander von Humboldt. Uh he might
not be very well known in the US, but uh
in Germany, in Europe, he certainly is
very well known because the University
of Berlin uh is named after Humboldt.
And Humboldt uh had a very interesting
career because he had a very boring job.
I mean, he had a job that he hated. Uh
he had studied um uh geology in
university,
and he tried to find uh a job in
exploration,
but he couldn't. Uh there were no jobs
available, so eventually he ended up as
a mine inspector. It was a completely uh
soul-crushing, uh super boring job. He
did it for years. He tried to get out of
it, and eventually uh he changed his
life completely. And this is this is um
uh why I found the uh the story so
interesting.
Uh because he didn't have a very
specific plan about uh what he wanted to
do.
At a certain point, uh he inherited uh
some money from his uh mother.
Uh it was not a huge fortune. If uh you
imagine you you inherit a house from
your parents, uh what most people do in
those situations is just to sell the
house and to buy a new car, uh to buy
maybe some
uh um equipment.
But very few people will use the money
to change their lives. And what Humboldt
did, and this is something that is
almost unique in the 19th century, uh he
quit his job,
and he used the money uh he inherited uh
to try to find the sponsors, uh like you
just mentioned at the beginning of the
show, people who are sponsoring your
show. He tried to find the sponsors uh
to um to go on an expedition uh to South
America. He wanted to explore Mexico, to
explore Argentina, to explore uh
different countries. And he went to
France to talk to Napoleon, he went to
Spain, he went to um to Belgium. And he
failed. He failed uh totally and
completely.
And eventually what he did, and this is
the the the real point of the story, uh
he used the little money he had left,
because he already spent half of it,
uh to go to South America
uh with a friend. He walked from Mexico
to Argentina,
uh he spent uh 18 months at a very low
cost. Uh a lot of many people today they
move their business to uh Thailand, or
they move their business uh to um
uh to Costa Rica, because very very
inexpensive. He spent 18 months.
He took notes. He made drawings. And
when he came back to Europe, he
published those drawings and notes in
eight volumes. And he became a celebrity
overnight. He created a massive asset.
He became very well known as a
naturalist. And from that moment on, he
built an amazing career in different
countries. He got very
important assignments for exploration of
of Russia.
And the whole point of the story is that
Humboldt became very successful because
he built these assets. He didn't know
exactly how to
find a way.
But little by little, he built these
tremendous assets. And he lived from
them
for the rest of his life. And this is a
good strategy for anyone who doesn't
know exactly
what to do. A step-by-step, try to build
some assets, to build a reputation, to
build copyrights,
to build a network because those assets
eventually will make you successful.
Those are
I think a great concoction to kind of
want something
greater than you know what you have now.
You're talking about him. And it's very
similar to my story to hear the fact
that he was at a job that he hated.
And in there, you know, there's this
this this inward longing for something
more out of life. And there's many
people who are there. That's why they're
they're listening to a podcast like
this. They they want more out of life.
They have dreams and stuff like that.
But they seem so far away, right?
They're stuck at a dead-end job. They're
they have all these bills and debt. And
so this life that they dream of seems so
far away. But I it's really cool that
we're actually talking about these steps
that you can take to do it.
Something about the drawing away
process, like getting by yourself or
going on that that pilgrimage or that
journey
um to kind of get those notes or get
those ideas or get those steps. How
important is it that to kind of um you
know, go into hermit mode essentially to
get the game plan and then go out and
and kind of um
execute?
Well, from my research, uh this is
extremely rare. Um I have drawn actually
the opposite conclusion that uh most
people
uh will not uh make a big change until
they are against the wall. Mhm. Uh and
this is human psychology. It's very
difficult uh when you have your
routines, you have your life, uh you're
all settled down doing something else uh
to go and say, "Okay, now I'm going to
um
to go in a different direction. I'm
going to quit everything. I'm going to
make a big change." It rarely happens.
And let me just give you another example
from the book.
One of the stories that actually uh gave
me the idea of sequentiality uh is the
story of Luigi Cornaro. Uh Cornaro is
known in history because he was the
first person uh who ever lived uh 102
years. He's registered. He's recorded.
Uh he lived in the 16th century. And um
he not only lived uh a very long life,
but uh what is impressive about Cornaro
is that by the Well, when he was in his
mid-30s,
he was terminally sick. Uh he was so
sick, he could barely move. He had
massive inflammation. Um the physicians
he saw uh different physicians. He was
living in Venice.
They told him uh to go home and prepare
to die because they didn't see any
possibility of recovery.
And Cornaro, who was uh at the time he
was 34,
he went home.
And instead of uh just giving up and
say, "Okay, I'm going to die. I'm going
to to write my will."
Uh what he did uh was to to uh to try,
uh, different experiments. He tried
different diets. Uh, he changed his
lifestyle
in every aspect. He started to go to to
go to go to bed very early,
um, to wake up very early in the
morning. He stopped, um,
um, um,
doing,
um, most of the things he was doing so
far because he was a guy he had a very
disorderly life. He became very much,
um,
adept to a vegetarian diet.
Uh, he reduced the number of calories he
ingested. Uh, within 6 months he
recovered. He recovered totally and
completely. He became extremely healthy.
And then he continued with his, uh,
lifestyle until he, uh, he was 102 years
old. And he wrote about it, and this is
why we know about Cornaro. And the, um,
the the crux of the story is that, uh,
Cornaro didn't just, as you said, he
didn't just, uh, sit in a corner
thinking, "How can I live 102 years?"
Uh, it doesn't happen like this. He was
against the wall. He was really dying.
And then he had to find a solution. And
eventually, by trial and error,
uh, he figured out, uh, a diet that
nowadays, in the 21st century, diet we
know that is very healthy. And he used
to, um, to have, uh, organic milk,
uh, vegetable soups. I mean, he came up,
uh, with these ideas by himself by
trying different things. And when
something didn't work, he stopped.
Uh, and then, uh, in the end he came up
with this, uh, diet. But the message
from the story is that, um,
Cornaro only changed his life when he
was about to die. He, uh, he had been
living,
uh, a very bad, um, lifestyle for
decades. Uh, this is why he he was, uh,
suffering from this massive
inflammation. And eventually, when he
was, uh, really dying, when he was
against the wall, he changed. And this
is a pattern
that people will only
seriously look for the sequence of steps
when they are really suffering.
If there is no suffering, the human
psychology is very reluctant to change.
Yeah.
You got to wait till your your back's up
against the wall or you kind of
you know, I think I think I think a lot
of people, you know, we talk about
suffering or whatever. Let me let me ask
you about this cuz you know, I like to
tie this into the dream and I look at my
life and you know, what got me to do
this full-time and kind of
you know, I didn't jump. I was pushed,
right? This was a great idea. It was
something that I wanted to do.
It kind of um
tormented me inside because I had this
dream and this passion for what I wanted
to do with my life. Um
but it seemed so far away.
And and I was trying to take steps. I
was trying to find out I was studying
other people what worked for them. How
can I transition? But it was never this
thing, okay, let me just quit my job.
Let me do this. I actually got fired and
it really just pushed me into
into it. So, all of the things that I
was studying, all the things I was
you know, looking for these steps to to
take and and to make connections and
plan and try to get an income off of
what I love to do versus the dead-end
job of what I had to do. You're talking
about being like, you know, what I'm
saying, tormented or being in this place
that's unpleasant. A lot of people are
in like a dead-end job like that and
they're just looking for whatever they
can do
um to kind of make that dream a reality.
Would that be something that you're
talking about as far as with their back
up against the wall? I felt like I was.
Yeah, that's
that's one of the uh we say principles
of sequentiality. You have to start the
sequence somewhere and you start moving
and then a little by little you find
the answers. But
this is what I was talking about
positive thinking because the idea that
you can have a goal and you say I'm
going to become I don't know what CEO of
General Motors and you are going to work
at this goal for 20 years is massively
unrealistic.
What my research shows and I have really
made a
big issue of this in this book is that
what is very important and you find in
in every successful every happy person
is a very strong sense of direction.
People have a sense of direction say I
want to move in this direction. I want
to do this. They don't know exactly how
they're going to do it. They don't know
exactly the goal.
Coronado didn't know that he was going
to live 102 years when he started to
recover.
But he got in the right direction and
this is a whole point of sequentiality.
Once you are in a in the sequence, you
will find more information. You will
find more opportunities. You will build
on your reputation. You will build on
your assets.
You will have
more visibility. Without this sequence,
you can make as many plans as you want
in your room.
You can look at websites for hours, but
you will never start the sequence. You
really have to start the sequence and
then you can gather information little
by little.
I'm trying to It kind of seems like the
same thing to me though. It seems like
you kind of have to have a game plan
before you can try to execute it. And I
also think that we need to be positive.
I think we need to be optimistic about
it cuz like
you know, as as far as our dreams or
whatever cuz you you would have people
like around you that would doubt you or
say no, you you know, you should have if
you wanted that in your life, you should
have started that 10 years ago. It's too
late for you. You know, so I think that
positive thinking and stuff like that
comes into play when when we're thinking
about our dreams, about what we want to
accomplish, right? I mean, don't we have
to have a positive outlook on what we're
trying to build?
Yes, I think positive thinking can
certainly help. Uh but you should not
depend on it.
Yeah. Uh
I think it's not
this why I was I was talking about sense
of direction. I never like to say goals
because it's too uh specific. But if you
have a sense of direction, say I really
like to do this. I really would like I
want to make a living out of this. I
think it's the right attitude. Uh
without setting a very specific goal for
yourself, say I want to make this amount
of money by uh uh the end of December.
Uh because you will be for sure
disappointed. You put the pressure on
yourself, which is totally unnecessary.
Yeah.
So, you see a lot of people like
kind of doing that in like the spiritual
movements where that's all they do is
just say think about it. You know what
I'm saying? Just just think about it,
dream about it, talk about it, tell
people about it. Like I do believe in
that, but it it it it is the, you know
what I'm saying? The hard work that pays
off and the consistency and having the
game plan. Because if we just
daydreaming about it and we don't do
something to kind of bring it into our
reality, then it's just a just like a
great idea, right?
Yeah. I I want you just to mention a few
more principles from the book. I think
they would be useful for your audience.
Okay. Uh one of the
um aspects
that systematically will break down
sequentiality um is when people are
hypersensitive. And today in the 21st
century, we seem to live in the in the
era of hypersensitivity.
Uh where people get super upset and
super
um
uh angry uh when they hear something
they don't like. And they say, "Oh, they
spend sometimes the whole day ruminating
because they heard something on TV and
say, 'Okay, I really hate this guy. He
should not be saying this kind of
stuff.'" And this is um this is very
inefficient.
Um and sometimes, I mean, one of the
stories I I I
I recount in the book is the story of uh
Dante Gabriel Rossetti. He was a great
painter in the 19th century. He invented
a new
movement in painting the
pre-Raphaelites.
He was a poet, but the problem with
Rossetti is that he was hypersensitive.
He got a few bad reviews in newspapers.
Newspapers were very powerful in the
19th century when there were no social
media. He got a few bad reviews and he
was so upset that he didn't want to go
out. He started to drink. He spent his
whole life
indoors.
He stopped painting.
It was a really a disaster because he
was a genius. I mean, you see his work
is really amazing. But he was too
sensitive. He was
trying to convince journalists that he
was really a talented painter. It was a
complete waste of time because he was
talented anyway. He was selling
a good amount of paintings, but this
kind of attitude of hypersensitivity
will destroy sequentiality
in any case. Even if you are a genius,
even if you make fantastic plans,
even if you have 10-year goals, if
you're hypersensitive,
there's no way you will get anywhere
because you will be criticized, you will
be
opposed, you will be
insulted in all possible ways because
there will always be people who don't
like you, who envy you, whatever.
Don't do that. I mean, Rossetti is a
tragic tragic example. He was a genius.
He was a very innovative. He was a great
painter, a great poet, but he died very
very young. He died in his early 50s
completely unnecessarily because he had
started to drink. Don't be
hypersensitive. It's a trap. It's It's a
terrible trap and today in the 21st
century is a big fashion.
Yeah.
Yeah, I know, right? It's that's I mean,
you're you're 100% right. And I've seen
people even recently, man. Recently, I
have a good friend who may be watching
this, but she got into a a business deal
with someone I'm pretty sure she didn't
really know that well. Um
they make great products. They went out
to the public to uh to to to to actually
sell these things in the marketplace.
Someone said some things they didn't
like, things didn't go a certain type of
way, and my friend's business partner
super sensitive, freaked out, couldn't
handle the pressure, couldn't handle
things not going her way, and just
freaked out and made a crazy scene and
ended their business on the first
venture that they went out. Others do
it. I've seen musicians and artists do
it and people who are building
platforms, and then things don't go
their way, or they read bad reviews, or
people question them and say, "I don't
think you should be doing this." And
then they freak out, and they undo
everything that they've been working to
build for the simple fact of what you
said. They're too sensitive.
Yeah, it's um it's a pattern you find in
history. Uh you will rarely uh read
about it in personal development books,
but they tell you it's a killer. It's a
killer. You have to stay out of it.
I just want to mention briefly another
example.
Uh one of the
um aspects that um
uh most people most people don't like to
hear this,
but the one of the things that really
stops our sequentiality and that um uh
keeps people down, keeps people stuck,
uh is the reluctance to move.
And um this is something that
how can I say? Um
is a bit uh uncomfortable for most
people. Uh if you are moving to another
state or to another city, if you are
moving to another country, uh or
learning another language, can be very
uncomfortable, can be very disruptive,
but um
uh to tell the truth is that many people
will only succeed when they move. And
this is because you might be living in
an area where there are few
opportunities. You might be in the wrong
business. You might be in the wrong
environment.
You might be surrounded by people who
criticize you for no good reason, just
because they they don't want you to
change. Whatever.
One of the examples I give in the book
is the story of Casanova. And Casanova
is known to be a great seducer,
but few people know how he became a
millionaire, because he was a complete
disaster. I mean, Casanova in his 20s,
he was a walking disaster. He studied
law. He was a very bad lawyer. He tried
to get into the military. He was fired.
He was prosecuted. He was
very very
conflict-prone. And he only actually
made a great career when he moved out of
Venice and he went to France. And then
he became very wealthy within a few
years, because he found the right
environment where he could use his his
talent.
And this is something that people don't
like to hear, but
you might be in the wrong place. And the
only the only solution might be to move.
It's a very practical solution.
Sometimes it's very annoying, because
you leave your friends and your family
behind.
But, I tell you,
when you see so many unemployed people,
so many people who are complaining that
they don't have opportunities, come on.
Move. Move to another place. Move to
another country.
And something that goes along with this,
Derek, is that I always encourage in my
books people to learn a second language.
If you're in the US, for God's sake,
learn Spanish. It's so easy. You're
surrounded by people who speak Spanish.
It will open your eyes. It will open
your opportunities. It will open your
career. It will make you more tolerant
and more benevolent. And this is an
asset. It is very easy to learn the
language. Every child can learn two or
three languages without any effort. If
you spend 10-15 minutes a day, you will
speak a second language. For God's sake,
if you do only one thing in the next 10
years, try to learn the second language.
It will change your life completely.
Wow, that um that
reminds me. I've been I've been watching
a lot of uh interviews with hip hop hip
hop artists, right? Once they finally
make it, they tell you you have to get
out of your hometown.
Um for one, you're going to have a big
target on your back because of the
people who were around you, who went to
school with you, who don't believe in
you, who want what you have.
W- Whatever the case is, and there's
something about uh getting famous or
blowing up in the town that you're from.
And a And a lot of the guys who have
been doing it for a long time and become
successful, they say you have to leave
your city. You can't stay there because
you're going to keep running into
problems and things like there's a so
many people around you are going to envy
you or think that they deserve it and
you don't. Um and it it it's funny, too,
because my mind always goes back to the
scriptures and I think about the Jesus
where he talks about that a prophet is
not without honor in his own in in in in
his own home, in his own town. He
doesn't get the honor, he doesn't get
the respect that in in the support that
he needs. But when you travel abroad,
people don't know you. They don't you
know, they they they
see you for what you show them and for
your talents and what you're w- what
you're able to bring to the table versus
your past mistakes and your failures and
stuff. Oh, we know this guy. We went to
went to school with this guy. He's what?
You're telling me this guy's a a what,
you know? So, something about, you know,
dusting your feet off and and and
actually leaving that area that that I
think really is important. Um
Let me ask you about this, too, because
you mentioned trial and and error.
Um
there's a lot of people, a lot of
um motivational speakers. I know Will
Smith talks about it a lot, uh Gary V,
all of these guys are talking about it a
lot. Now, they're talking about failure
and how it's it's good to fail and it's
positive to fail and they say fail
early, fail often. You're talking about
trial and error, failure and mistakes
and not all failures are bad, right?
Especially if we're learning from these
mistakes, right?
Um to a certain extent, I would not
recommend people to seek failure just
for the sake of learning. I um
because one of the patterns I have
identified uh in the research
um is that 95% of the failure can be
avoided. Uh the problem with human
beings is that we want to do uh to
reinvent the wheel all the time and we
start uh to do something and then you
say, "Okay, I'm going to to learn to uh
to do this on my own." Yeah. And most of
the time is a complete waste of time. If
you're trying to build a platform, to
build a reputation, to build a business,
uh you can learn a lot just by looking
on some web pages. It's free and uh we
are reluctant to do it
because of human nature. We we want to
reinvent the wheel, we want to be
heroes. Mhm. Uh we want to invent uh
shortcuts, but um I tell you most of the
time um
we should not be making failures. We
should not be making mistakes. Uh if you
just uh spend some time doing research.
Let me just give you an example from the
book. Uh one of the um the stories I
recount uh is the exploration of
Antarctica.
Uh this happened in the early 20th
century and it's very interesting
because um
you see uh three expeditions uh going to
Antarctica.
Uh one from the um from from England,
one from Scotland and one from Norway.
And uh the guy that went there from
Norway,
um he actually checked the facts. He
checked uh the kind of clothes you have
to wear, um
uh the kind of dogs you need in order to
move in Antarctica, he just uh, check he
spent a few months doing research, very
easy research, and he did almost
everything right.
But, uh, the other people, the one from
um,
uh, from England and from Scotland, uh,
they froze and they died uh, because
they didn't check anything. They tried
to reinvent uh, the wheel.
Uh, they didn't even check what kind of
dogs. They bought some dogs, but the
dogs died because they were not Siberian
dogs. They were wearing the right uh,
the wrong kind of clothes. They got um,
to wear this
uh, English
uh, wool, which is very nice, but uh,
when you get wet, you freeze. And they
froze. They froze uh, one after the
other. It was horrible. Because they
didn't check the facts. So, there is no
reason to learn from mistakes if you can
avoid the mistakes. Uh, try to spend
some time uh, checking what other people
are doing. Um, it was very easy for
Amundsen, from the Norwegian guy, very
easy to check uh, what kind of dogs you
need. He just went to Siberia, and he
checked the dogs, and he got the right
kind of dogs. And he calculated how many
dogs he needed, and he put on top 20%
margin, and he made And the other people
were stupidly um, uh, taking ponies
uh, to Antarctica, and the ponies broke
their legs, and they died within days. I
mean, when you look at the mistakes they
made, they look stupid, but we do the
same all the time. We try to reinvent
the wheel, and this is what breaks
sequentiality. You will not find uh, the
right sequence of steps if you don't
spend some time doing research. Yeah.
So, doing doing the proper research, you
can avoid a lot of those mistakes that
we're making, right?
Yeah, indeed. And um, I tell you it's
counterintuitive, because we want to
jump, and we want to start right away,
and say, "Ah, I want to start this. I'm
going to start that." Uh, spend a few
weeks doing research, and you will save
yourself a huge amount of problems and a
huge amount of money.
Um let me ask you about this. So we're
talking about mistakes. I think but you
know, whenever you do make the mistakes,
learn from them, learn not to do that
again or or or or go back and research
and do it the right way, right? Um you
know, something that's not working and
it could be you know,
it could be many different um variables
depending on what you're doing, but I
really like you know, the fact that you
wrote this book and and and studying
other people's mistakes as well because
like that's the biggest thing for me is
like you know,
for one just to learn from my own
mistakes, but two learn from mistakes
that other people are making. If they're
doing something and it's not working and
they they continue to get the same
results or whatever, somebody who's
already done it before like you said,
there's a lot of research online.
There's not you know,
You know, when we we don't have to
reinvent the wheel. People have already
done this stuff and they're successful
at it and they've you know, they're
they're telling you what works and what
didn't work and things like that. So not
only just learning from our mistakes,
but for the mistakes of of others as
well and kind of seeing how we can apply
that to our lives.
Indeed.
I just want to point out um
that human beings we are built in a way
that we hate the confusion. Uh we hate
situations where we don't know exactly
what to do.
Uh we just prefer sometimes to make
mistake after mistake instead of
recognizing that we just don't know. Uh
because confusion is very uncomfortable.
And let me give you an example. Um
you might have watched the movie I
should have watched the movie
Casablanca. It's from the 1940s with
Humphrey Bogart.
Um the movie is fascinating because they
they you see the last scenes between
Humphrey Bogart and uh Ingrid Bergman.
They look very realistic uh because they
don't know exactly if they're going to
stay together or not and they are
confused. Well, they were confused
because they didn't know the end of the
story. And the movie, I think it was so
successful because it's so realistic.
Uh the producer was writing the script
uh during the movie and the actors were
totally confused. They didn't know
exactly where they going to be in love,
they're going to be together, they're
going to die, they didn't know. So, this
is why you see these um
amazing scenes. I mean, you have to
realize the the the very simple
uh cinematographic
means they have in the 1940s. They
didn't have special effects. It was very
very simple.
And they did it on studio.
And they look uh perfectly true because
it was perfectly true. It was one of the
few movies that was shot in sequence.
And this is why I use it as an example.
It is pure uh sequentiality because they
shot one scene after the other. The
whole team of actors and um and writers,
they worked together during the shooting
from beginning to end. And in the end,
they produced this fantastic uh little
movie. They thought it was not going to
be a big success. But uh we liked the
movie so much because it's so realistic.
It shows uh confusion
um
in the most uh pure way. Uh and this is
something that human beings we hate. And
we like the movie so much because it
shows uh how we feel every day. And uh
if you want to get into sequentiality
and find uh the right sequence of steps,
you have to go through confusion. It is
inevitable. Uh you will never get uh
ABCD plan saying, "Okay, you have to go
from A to B." It will never work. You
can wait forever until you get all the
dots on the eyes. Don't do it. Try to
find the right sequence. Go through the
confusion and then you will find it.
That's awesome. I've been saying that
for a while now and it's kind of been
kind of weird because I come out of
Christianity and like you
I come out of like
the evangelical Christian realm and when
you you know, the word confusion for
them is a bad word. Like you said, I
guess it's a bad word for humanity, but
I think it's a good thing because we can
use it as a tool exactly like you're
saying. I've never heard nobody else say
this, but God say confusion is a good
thing because until you're in a state of
confusion and disillusion, you're not
going to start looking for the answers
until you're confused. If you think you
have it all figured out and everything's
working good for you just in your own
mind, but you're not producing the
results, you know, I think I think a
state of confusion is good. When I was
in a state of confusion, I jumped on
Google. I started looking up answers,
started trying to cross-reference and
trying to make sense of what was
happening in my life and my belief
systems and things like that, but it
didn't come until I was in a state of
confusion. So, use it for something
good. That's awesome that you you point
that out. Um
Let me Let me ask you this. So, you talk
about organic growth, letting organic
growth determine yourself. Is it uh your
your your steps. Is that something that
um
that we should keep doing it? Like if
it's working, let's keep doing it
because we're seeing growth because
we're
doing this formula or these steps are
working because we're expanding, we're
growing in in all areas and things like
that.
Well, organic growth organic growth is a
mixture
of uh your talents and the market.
And some people when when we talk about
the organic growth, sometimes people
say, "Oh, I have to do whatever I want.
So, I don't care about the market. I
don't care about sales. I don't care
about uh sponsors." This is a bit
stupid.
Uh this is not organic growth. This is
arrogance.
Uh organic growth uh is to find uh the
sweet spot uh between what you can do,
what you want to do, and what people are
willing to buy.
And this is very uh difficult to do, uh
but it's part of the sequence. If you
don't find
uh this uh sweet spot, uh the sequence
will not work. Let me just give you an
example from history.
Uh
one of the great artists of the
Renaissance was Giotto. And Giotto
uh is a fantastic
uh example because he made a transition
uh from the Middle Ages to the
Renaissance. He painted uh for the first
time in history, he was the first
painter who painted emotions, who used
uh realistic colors. In the Middle Ages,
the paintings were very boring because
they were very much um
uh rigid. Uh the colors were very dark.
Um it was the way they like it in the
Middle Ages, but Giotto invented a new
type of painting, a painting that was
today considered modern.
The problem with Giotto, and the story
is fascinating, is that he came up with
these ideas
when he was in his 30s.
Um he was painting uh basically what
they did uh in the in the 11th and 12th
century, they they painted churches. And
all the paintings uh we have are mostly
in churches. But Giotto got uh
the possibility to make um uh a a
special assignment uh because uh there
was a family in Padua. Giotto was living
in Florence. And there was a family in
Padua, they wanted to build a a private
chapel. And they hired Giotto for 2
years. He went to Padua, and he built a
scaffolding inside the chapel. And he
painted uh the walls from beginning to
end. He painted uh 30 different scenes.
And for the first time in history, he
came up with this um
uh amazing uh innovative style, very
naturalistic,
beautiful colors. You can see them today
uh still in Christmas cards. You see
Giotto paintings uh all over the place.
And uh what is fascinating is that
Giotto came with this innovation. The
paintings are beautiful, they are uh
original, they are full of emotion, but
he never did it again. Uh for the rest
of his life, and he lived uh until his
mid-50s, uh he went back to his boring
um medieval painting. And why is that? I
found this very intriguing.
And this is because he discovered that
uh the sequence of steps he was
following didn't work because there was
no market. He painted this private
chapel in Padua. It was very beautiful.
It was very innovative. It was
groundbreaking. But uh the church didn't
like it. The market uh was not there. He
found one customer who could pay for
that. But 99% of the market was not
that. They didn't like it. They thought
it was uh
uh weird. And they didn't like to pay
for weird things. So they in the end
Giotto uh spent the last 20 years of his
life painting again in a very boring way
because it was the market. It was the
sweet spot. He was a genius. But he
could not sell it. He could only sell
this kind of paintings. And he knew that
uh he tried to do something else he
would be blacklisted. He would be
ostracized. He would lose his uh
customers.
He would destroy his uh workshop. And
his children were working there. He
didn't want to uh to ruin his children.
So eventually he did it. And the lesson
is very important because
you will only find the right sequence of
steps if you try to find this balance
between what you can do and what people
are willing to buy.
And uh it might not be exactly what you
want. And most people who start a
business they end up doing something
else because they realize that uh they
are too advanced. Uh the the concept was
not really right. Um they find a
different approach, a different
location, whatever. But uh they find
this balance. And this is why it's so
important um uh to keep looking for the
sequence. Because if Giotto had stopped
uh when he painted this uh private
chapel in uh in Padua, he would have
been uh forgotten. Uh because he would
have stopped producing paintings. You
have to find the sequence every day.
Wow.
So it's like a uh it's it's almost like
a compromise, right?
Well, I wouldn't call it compromise
because he have no choice.
Basically the idea was between suicide
of to keep working. He decided to keep
working because they what was the
option? I mean the guy had a enormous
talent for painting and he could only
sell this kind of paintings. He could
not sell anything else.
Um, chapter 10, you're talking about why
it's so difficult to see the winning
path.
Yeah, it's
it's extremely difficult because we get
into our heads. We become super
arrogant. We become super positive which
can be very negative because if you tell
yourself every day, "I'm going to make
it. I'm going to make it." And you will
completely lose sight of reality. It
doesn't work. So it's very difficult to
find
the winning path
because to a great extent we're still
animals. We panic very easily.
We are very emotional.
We take
a little problems and we blow them out
of proportion. The only way
to find the winning path is to become
objective, to become cool, to become
calm in the in the face of opposition.
It's very difficult to do. There is no
simple formula. But when I look at every
example of successful happy people they
went through the confusion. They went
through the emotion and eventually
sometimes by sheer persistence
they found a way. And
you have to get rid of your emotions
when they are out of proportion because
they will drive you down. They will not
I mean you might get motivated for a few
minutes, but it's not a good deal.
Try to be objective. Try to find the
right sequence of steps by looking at
the reality.
Awesome, brother. Thank you for that.
I want to ask you this this one final
question, because
all all of these steps and all of these
things and we're talking about this book
of sequences, um sequentiality, you've
got a bunch of other books, you've got
eight other books in they all, like the
titles of them, the like the different
motivational, the philosophy of um
builders, thriving in difficult times,
all of these different the these
different almost
um formulas in themselves essentially,
if we can apply the knowledge, how do
they all fit together?
Well, they all fit together because they
are based on history.
Uh they are based 100% of real cases.
What I do in my books is to extract
principles from studying hundreds of
biographies of different people in
different areas and I try to come up
with principles that you can apply in
your own life, principles that are
logical, that are rational, that you
don't have to be super extroverted
to apply because
what annoys me enormously with these
personal development books is that
they assume that people are super
extroverted and super cheerful. And this
is so ridiculously unrealistic.
I mean, try to take a walk in a mall and
see how people how many people are super
cheerful and realistic. I mean, you have
a few, but for most people is better to
try to find the right sequence of steps.
Mhm.
And these are things that can work for
us if we just apply them. Finding the
sequences in uh
you know, and like you said, I think it
goes back to
watching
what's worked for other people in the
past, like literal things. It's not it's
not uh theories or, you know,
theoretical uh hypothesis about what
could work. It was what actually did
work and I really like how you
incorporate that in the book. Uh John
Vespasian, let people know where they
can go to check out this book and check
out some more of your work. You got a
really great website with tons of
articles, interviews, and a bunch of
really cool stuff. Let people know where
they can go to check out your work.
I'm very very easy to find. If you just
type John Vespasian on Google on any
search engine, just type John Vespasian.
Even if you
type it incorrectly, it doesn't matter
because the the
the Google will correct you because the
name is so so unusual. So, just type
John Vespasian, you will find the books,
you will find the downloads, free
articles, there's a free newsletter.
John Vespasian, very easy to find.
John, thank you for coming on the show,
man. I really enjoyed this. I appreciate
it.
Many thanks out there, Rick. All right,
talk to you soon. Thank you.
Bye. All right, bye-bye.
John Vespasian, ladies and gentlemen.
Sequentiality. You've heard of
spirituality.
Have you heard of sequentiality? First
time I've heard that word. Like I said,
it
Google will correct you. If you try to
type that word into Google,
sequentiality, Google's going to try to
correct you on that one, too. But,
it's about SEO. You know, if you type
that in, you most likely his stuff's
going to come up, his book, and all of
his stuff. So, really cool interview. Um
I agree with uh
a lot of it, man. And I've been talking
about this stuff. Like I said,
especially learning from your own
mistakes. He approaches it more from
doing the research and doing the study
and so that you make less mistakes in
what you're trying to bring to the
table, what you're trying to create.
Make sure you've done your homework.
Make sure you've done the research. It's
It's awesome. Like, when Like, I listen
to podcasts on spirituality. I listen to
podcasts on
everything under the sun that has to
deal with spiritual essence and and you
know, even religion and things like
that.
But, um when I wanted to start doing a
podcasting and I wanted to get better at
podcasting,
I started listening to
podcast about podcast.
How to you know, and and so much stuff
that goes in on the back end that the
listener just gets to click play and you
never know like what goes in on the back
end of creating a good podcast. So,
like whatever you're wanting to do,
whatever you're you're in that place
that you want to bring something to the
table, bring it to fruition, study
everything you can on it. Study
everything you can on that. Study the
competition. Study those who have done
it and failed. Study those who are doing
it and are thriving. Like you can learn
from them, right? It's really It's
really funny, you know? And I've been a
beacon or whatever and I have a lot of
people who are starting to do stuff and
you like, you know what I'm saying? In
my realm and like and I don't I don't
care sharing the tips or whatever. Um
you know, I I see people copying what
I'm doing because it's working. And and
people will do it whether it's in on on
the podcasting end with the podcast or
if it's on,
uh you know, the hip-hop end or
whatever. There's things that I've that
I've done over the years that are
working and people are trying to copy it
and stuff like that. And like I said,
you know, I can't get mad. Like it's
working. Like do it. If it's working, do
it. If I'm doing something that's not
working, don't do it. Same thing,
learning from people around you. And and
we could do it like in as far as like
a business is concerned or you can do it
as far as relationships are concerned.
Um
things like that. Learning from other
people that are around you and learning
from your own mistakes. And then doing
the research, like you said, so that you
don't make as many mistakes and and
spend money and time and energy uh
working against yourself. That's very
bad.
But you But in the end, like I said, you
still learn from it. You learn because
it cost you.
I would hope you learn you spent, you
know, several hundred hundred dollars on
something or promoting something or
branding something that you didn't plan
on to see uh you know, through to the
end at you know, whenever you started
it. I've been there, you know?
And you learn from that and you paid you
paid for it, literally.
And I've done it. I think we all have.
Um but moving forward, like I said, get
to the bottom of it, study, uh get
obsessed with this kind of stuff, man.
Whatever you wanting to do.
Um
It was funny. He was talking about
moving.
Um
you know, if if it's not working out or
there's not an audience or there's not a
um
you're in a bad area for what you're
wanting to do.
It's weird because in the entertainment
and the arts, like everybody moves to
California.
Uh if you want to be a a rapper, uh you
move to California or Atlanta or
I mean, you can there's other places you
can go to do go to, but essentially
you want to open a a yoga studio, go to
go to California, man. There's
the stuff we're talking about, the
spirituality and stuff like that, it's
on every corner. Um
I would thrive, man. I have people
begging me to come there to do concerts
in California and in uh Colorado, places
like that that are very much open to
um the type of stuff that I bring to the
table. And it's funny it's funny, man. I
had some friends over the other other
night, and they were they just
you know, commending me on on on what I
do and and how I've I've not given up.
I'm in the Bible Belt. Like I'm like
it's furthest as you can go in Alabama,
all the way in the woods at the bottom.
And here I am talking about
spirituality. Here I am talking about
psilocybin mushrooms and encounters and
then Jesus and stuff like that in in the
midst of it and yoga and meditation,
third eye activation, all of these type
of things that uh don't really fly well
down here in the South, but
um I could have easily tried to relocate
and move to California where I could get
booked at shows and people would love to
have me there. Um people would love to
have me in Colorado and the hippies and
all that kind of stuff. They love it.
That's a lot of my audience. But I've
I've stayed true not to kind of be ran
out of where I live just to to you know
what I'm saying, bring it to the table
here and essentially see change, man,
and see this you know, be a part of the
awakening of the Bible Belt or people
who are asking the bigger questions or
whatever the case is. It's not only me.
I have other friends who have been
consistent. I had a friend of mine 2
weeks ago who went downtown Mobile and
set up a tarot card reading
table down there where she was doing
psychic readings. That hasn't been done
down here. That's unheard of and that's
you know, for for like you know what I'm
saying, many people
it's not welcome. There's churches on
every corner. You know, they're used to
their way of doing things. It's very
much
you know, a red state.
And this this stuff is taboo.
But I really do think that there's a
special blessing in it of of being
effective where you are. And not just
saying cuz like even if I was to go to
you know, those other places and I
probably could could thrive, but
I get really weird when everybody starts
doing what I'm doing. Like he was
saying, like he's talking about
um
you know, wanting to be original and
wanting to be unique and almost
reinventing the wheel. Like with
stylistically in music, like I'm in the
Bible Belt doing this type of music. It
hasn't been easy at all. But if if
everybody around me started doing it or
everybody was doing the same thing, then
I would just feel like I'm one of the
people and and I don't have something
unique to bring to the table.
Um so, you know, being in the Bible Belt
is kind of just being like, oh, you're
that guy type deal, right? You're the
only one around here doing it. But I'm
not the only one anymore. We have other
people we've been discipling and
training up and and and recording and
sending out. And so, there's other the
down here doing it with me. So, I'm not
just by myself anymore. And so, it's
catching on though. There's a lot of
people waking up and we got to have
stuff for those people.
Trust me, there's those conscious people
who
eat mushrooms and do LSD or whatever and
they start they they they, you know,
grow their hair out, let it dread up,
start hula hooping
and fire dancing and moved and they
move. They leave. They move to
um Colorado. Like I I know a lot of
people have packed up and moved to
Colorado and just kind of find a place
there, but it's like do you leave
everybody else behind here? So, if we
could stick it out and thrive
and be effective where we're planted
right now and not just be ran out or
whatever the case is. Look, I'm telling
you,
uh don't grow weary in well-doing, but
just
you know, be effective, man.
But, at the same time, thank God for the
internet
because
you know, we can disciple the nations
through the internet, through something
like this in the privacy of my own home,
uh be able to reach the world, reach the
masses. And it's not something for me uh
anymore to have to kind of uh
proselytize to people or beg them to to
buy my product or or beg them to watch
my podcast. I just simply need to be
effective. I simply need to show up and
put it out there and make sure that it
gets in the search algorithms to make
sure you see it and click it. So, if you
see something like this podcast and you
watch it for a period of time and it uh
resonates with you,
and then if if it does, then I mean,
you're going to stick around. You're
going to watch it. You're going to
support. If you hear my music and my
music moves you,
you're going to support it. You're going
to buy the album. You're going to come
to the concert. You're going to do the
stuff. I don't have to like knock on
your door and say and try to get you to
convert to a belief system or an
ideology that I subscribe to.
Uh no, I just put my truth out there and
if it if it resonates with you, welcome
to the team. If it don't, keep moving.
You know what I'm saying? And that's
that's that's
such a beautiful place for me to be now
and I've been there for some years
because coming out of Christianity, I
had I'm trying to force you to believe
what I believe. If you want to make fun
and laugh at what we believe and
especially I'm in the Bible about, trust
me. I just had the conversation the
other day that been laughed at, mocked,
scoffed, ridiculed. Now I'm successful.
Now it's catching on. Now I get to wake
up and do podcasts for a living. Now I
get to wake up and and and make music
about the astral realms for a living.
You know what I'm saying? And it's
financially paying off. So now like
people don't want to look at
the hard work. People don't want to look
at
those days that I've cried tears over
this stuff that I knew that I was
supposed this is what I was supposed to
be doing but I couldn't get no support.
Couldn't get no love. Even my best
friends wouldn't don't support. You know
what I'm saying?
Uh and and things like that. So but it's
about sticking with it. And I there's a
meme somebody shared. I think my buddy
Drew. Happy birthday to Drew Gower, a
good friend of mine. Um
he shared out a meme and I want to read
this meme right quick cuz I shared it to
my Facebook wall but he said it says uh
success comes from thousands success
comes from the thousands of hours of
work that no one sees.
No one sees. You've put in time, you've
put in energy, you've put in research,
you've put in effort, you've put in
tears, you've put in blood, you've put
in sweat
to study, to create, to kind of bring
something to the light, to kind of bring
something into fruition. Nobody sees
that. You get to see the polished up
side. You get to see what we show you
type deal. But nobody knows the stuff
that you've been through and what you've
been trying to build. And and and that's
that's your credibility. That's what you
have. Like that's yours. You You can't
undo that. That's
working on it, man. That's what you have
to uh
You know, that gives you the right
to do it. You earned it. Nobody gave it
to you. You earned it.
Pat yourself on the back.
When people told you to quit, you
didn't.
People laughed at it, told you it was
silly, it would never sell, it would
never catch on.
You didn't. Trust me, you don't know how
many people over the years, even
especially when I was doing gospel
music, but I still get it even now. It's
like
um you know, if if you talked about, you
know, gangbanging, if you talked about
drugs and women and and stuff like that,
man, you get a lot of play cuz you got a
good voice, man. You got a good voice,
you know how to rap. But ain't nobody
trying to hear spirituality, ain't
nobody trying to hear gospel, ain't
nobody trying to hear that. But if you
talk about other stuff, you'd be
successful. Like
you know
you could easily say, "You know what?
You're right. Let me just
do what they're telling me and be
successful." But no, stuck it out. And
now it's catching on.
Now it's becoming successful and stayed
the course, didn't give up, didn't throw
in the towel, didn't look back. All of
that stuff is what matters, man.
I don't want to just have everything
served to me on a silver platter. I
don't want to just walk in someone
else's shoes or ride somebody's coat
tail, man. Even the word Alabama itself
means the thicket clearer, man. Just to
go through where nobody else has gone
and make a way where there was no way.
Make a path and clear it out where there
was no path. And that's what we've done,
man. And and kudos to those people who
haven't given up. Kudos to those people
where you look around you and
everybody's given up. Everybody's
tucking tail. Everybody's given up on
their belief on their on their faith, on
their passion, on their vision, on their
spouses. Come on now, preach.
They've just given up.
But shout out to you guys for
sticking it out.
Working it out. Not giving up. Not
tired.
Man, hanging on, creating something,
creating a way where there is no way.
It's good stuff. Um
we stuck it out and I think if we can
thrive here in the Bible Belt and be
successful with new thought and
spirituality and meditation and UFOs and
psilocybin and all this other stuff that
people find taboo, trust me, it there's
a growing number of people like an
audience is growing. Someone has to be
here to shepherd people uh who who are
waking up, who have questions that the
pastors aren't answering, that the
evangelists aren't answering. Someone
has to answer these questions. So, here
we are. Here we are in Alabama, here we
are wherever you are uh throughout the
Earth, wherever you're listening to
this, there you are, but here we are on
the internet.
Where people can just look up
whatever.
You can look it up and you're going to
find this podcast most likely if it's
something to do with spirituality cuz
that's why we try to cover it all.
People I mean, I have people coming at
me, they're like, "True Seeker, man, you
had and and they're they're you know,
they're have they have genuine concern,
but it's I can't believe you interviewed
this guy who says this and it's all
crazy and it's
uh it's demonic essentially. I don't
believe it. Why would you interview
someone like that?" You got to
understand, man, every move is a
calculated step.
Every move is a calculated step. Each
podcast, man, each
each name, each interview. Like, I'm
trying to tap into their fan base. I I
still approach it like I don't have a
fan base. I still approach it like,
"Hey, let me go out and reach the people
in a movement that so-called is the
truth movement. Everyone has the truth
or people are so-called looking for the
truth and if we have it, then we could
sit by ourselves and trust me, I know
very smart people who are very book
smart. They have studied, they can even
school me in knowledge and school me in
wisdom, but guess what?
They've become hermits and they're
sticking at home and they don't like
dealing with people.
They didn't pass the test. They just
gave up. They got all that knowledge,
all that wisdom, but they just keep it
to themselves.
You know?
They grew weary in well-doing.
You can't let that be you, man.
I'm not going to do it. I'm going to
keep on keeping on.
Um
There's a scripture, too. This is um
1 Peter. I I I shared this out, too, and
this is about chasing your dreams. This
is about uh bringing something to the
table.
Um
1 Peter
5 6 and 7.
Um humble yourselves, therefore, under
the mighty hand of God, so that at the
proper time he may exalt you. Casting
all your anxieties on him because he
cares for you. It's a really good
scripture on many different levels, but
it says, "Humble yourselves." It's like
a That's a That You know, that's a
sequence.
The first part, the first rule, what do
you need to do? Humble yourselves.
You're too proud. You're too arrogant.
Become humble. Become like little
children. Humble yourselves, therefore,
under the mighty hand of God,
so that at the proper time, not when you
want it to happen, not when you're
ready, not when
other people around you are being
exalted and you're being envious and you
think you deserve it.
It says, "No, but at the proper time God
may exalt you."
At the proper time God can exalt you.
That's one thing, you know, don't put
the cart before the horse, man.
And I I talk about this all the time. I
thank God for the failures. I thank God
for um
you know, the time spent.
Because if I would have had a you know,
as big of a reach that now that I
years ago that I have now
I would have messed it up. I would have
did the self-sabotaging thing. I've done
it, but I had a very small platform and
you know, ran people off and did
offended people intentionally, you know
what I'm saying? All of this kind of
stuff instead of you know, learning from
what I've learned from to actually bring
something to the table like that. So,
um
at the right time
when the timing is just right.
And uh peop- people grow weary in
well-doing. People, you know, they like,
"Okay,
how much longer, Lord? How much longer
um do I have to withstand this crappy
job? How much longer do I have to put up
with these people? How much longer do I
have to, you know, endure this stuff?"
You have to keep on, man. I'm telling
you and and then do all of the things
that we've been talking about today. Do
all the things we've been do- talking
about on every podcast, every episode. I
mean, we try to teach you different
techniques and things on how to ground
and how to find your center and find
your peace when all of that stuff is
going on when it seems like everything's
going to to hell around you when other
people are abandoning their marriages,
when other people are doing things they
shouldn't be doing because you won't do
it because you have the integrity that
helps to keep you from day to day.
That's the stuff we're trying to teach
you and I believe all of it can help
you.
And even a show like this one today
about studying the sequence
and the steps.
Real good stuff. It all applies. Every
single bit of it to create the life that
you want for yourself
spiritually. I really do believe
spirituality is a part of it. I really
do believe being happy is a part of it.
Dealing with depression is a part of it.
Being spiritual, healing others, healing
thyself, it all
is a part of it.
What's up? Uh shout out to everybody
holding us down on Facebook and YouTube
in the comment sections there in the
chat section. Shout out to uh it's like
Talia maybe? I don't know if I It's kind
of small text, but it looks like Talia.
Chris Barrs just uh
um got in.
Christy Folks
Everybody holding us down. Renee Renee
Ruiz, Libby
Jill Trengo, Jesse Lee
Quentin, what's up, brother?
Um all of you awesome people holding us
down live here in the chat. You guys
rock. Um
Listening for the first time. Good words
so far. Keep fighting the good fight
from the
sharper sharpening report maybe? It's
very small text. I can barely read this,
but Ali G
What up? Chris says my car broke down
again.
I'm trying to stay shining.
Take that breath.
Peace. Be still. Speak to the emotion.
Speak to the situation. Tell it to be
still.
Create it, man.
It all happens for a reason.
Christian, what up? Yeah, so
With that being said, I think I've
covered everything, man. Again, um
September the 22nd, I'm going to be in
Tallahassee, Florida.
We're going to be doing a concert at
Shanti Fest. I'm also going to be doing
a live
um podcast. So, that should be
interesting. We'll go live and probably
host it on Facebook live stream it. And
then, you know, edit it down and or
YouTube and then edit it down and
post it up for the podcasting
audience as long as there's decent
audio. So, I guess I got to get on top
of that.
How to record
um a live setting, but it's going to be
fun. We're going to do live
questions, Q&A from the audience and uh
going to be good stuff. September 22nd,
Tallahassee, Florida.
We also got something planned for
November the 2nd here in Mobile. We're
going to do another house show and so
make sure you guys make that as well.
All of that info is at truthseeker.com.
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Everyone in the chat are uh
sending prayers and and good wishes
towards Chris for his car. Hit me up
brother. We'll pray.
Love you guys and with that being said
I'm going to say peace and shalom and
we're going to do this again. Got a
really good show planned for you guys
coming up this Thursday with Joy Pew. I
know it's going to be good because of
the situations and the circumstances
that led me to book that show. So trust
me. This Thursday is going to be good.
It's going to be interesting.
With that peace and shalom. Love you
guys.
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