Astral Travel  Shamanic Shadow Healing  Nicolle Leanne
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your name right? Nicole Leanne, is that it? Yes. Awesome. Welcome to the show. How are you doing? I'm doing
great. How are you doing today? Doing good. After I did the podcast with Jim Girard, he actually
reached out to me, told me about you. And then I got an email from you, you know, pretty much
checking out your work. What is your
affiliation with him? Did you go
through some of his courses or
anything? Did he teach you any of
his his uh so he so he actually I
guess stumbled upon a video I
released um discussing what I
learned about our president
Trump during my first ayahuasca
experience in 2016 and that would
have been when I learned that
information a lot is while he was
still running for president so it
wasn't um even though I released it
after he was president because I didn't really want to go jump into it. I was kind of withholding,
but then finally I felt the message wasn't for me. It was for to share to others. And anyways,
that's how he stumbled upon me and he, I guess, did his divination dice code reading. And it even
mentioned me by name and even had a lot of profound messages in those readings that were actually
connecting to a recent plant medicine journey that I went on to in
connection with the intentions that I went into that one with however when you
do those plant medicine journeys in this case ayahuasca yeah you tend to
find there's a lot of synchronicity that not only leads up to the journey
itself you know and then you have your profound journey which is amazing and
then following it's just like what you kind of see coming in and I feel like
He was one of the connected dots as part not only for being a part of my journey and in the intentions
I was seeking kind of answers to and
He kind of brought that through his divination dice code, which was really fascinating to me
and then
Yeah, and so he reached out and we've been kind of chatting for the last I'd say a few weeks to a month
And we've been kind of doing some dice code readings
we've talked about him maybe training me how to decode it because that's I
guess taking him three years to do. But in the meantime I've just been
really impressed with the the channelings that come through and it's not like
your typical it's kind of like an oracle in a sentence. It's not where it's
like a yes-no and this is your future and this is your destiny. It's really
kind of, if I were to compare it to, and it's actually part of what my recent intentions
were, were kind of exploring around like the emerald tablets. It's kind of speaks in that
kind of parable of like, like almost poetic almost. So I would say it's kind of like almost
an oracle feel to it, of how the information comes through. So it still gives you room
for interpretation. So of course he did his video with you and had me watch it.
And then I was drawn to reaching out to you because I really felt connected to
how you hold yourself in not only the metaphysical community and being open to new age concepts
or metaphysical or spiritual, while still, you know,
throwing some biblical asses away.
And then also kind of not coming at ease or stance with judgment,
just because I feel like when you're on one side of the playing field,
there tends to be judgment that you experience from the other side of the team that,
in my case, I wasn't raised religious.
You know, I kind of had an open door to explore whatever I wanted, and so I got to start at a really young age.
And so yes, I don't really have the backings religious wise, but I've also experienced judgment from the things that I've gotten to, I guess, tap into because it's something that's of the unknown, the misunderstood and people tend to fear that which they do not know or have no experience with.
So, yeah, I mean, we find out that like every religious sect
or denomination, I mean, because it even goes from religion
to religion, but within the religion,
and I guess if we're talking about religion,
we can talk about the New Age as well.
Like there's all kind of sex into that,
and people say, I'm just spiritual, I'm not New Age.
You know, like they don't wanna be affiliated
with that term, and then coming from the church realm,
they use that as a bad word as well.
Oh, that's just New Age you're into New Age or whatever.
But then like everybody wants to claim that they own this thing
that they're religious, that they practice with a religion,
especially when it comes to spirituality,
whether it's the Holy Spirit or the Kundalini
or the Qi energy.
And so, well, brother, you said that's the Holy Spirit.
That's actually the Kundalini.
It's like, we're all talking about the same things,
but everybody has their own terminology
and nobody owns it.
They just own the terminology.
But once we can move past that,
we're all talking about the same thing.
And I think that's beautiful.
And it just shows you like the control and the dogma,
even within the spiritual realms,
because whenever we were first going live,
I was talking about,
I wanted to name this or something about psychic abilities.
And then even you were like, wait, wait, wait.
It's not actually psychic abilities that I talk about.
I do shamanic intuition and things.
And so whenever we talk about that,
my mind, to me it's all the same thing.
So I want to talk to you a little bit about what's different
because there's good in what I do
and bringing everything under one umbrella.
But then there's also like, there is some.
And structures.
Yeah, yeah, there is some misconceptions
in some things are a little bit different.
So you're getting known for your shamanic shadow healing work.
There is, yeah.
So that it's a little bit different
than just talking about psychic abilities
predicting future. So let's talk about that a little bit. Okay, so obviously I have a big
background of what led me into this service that has been actually channeled by my higher guides.
But it initially started, I guess, evolving from originally Reiki, which I didn't think I was
initially going to use which great ease and energy healing modality of laying up the hands
and aligning your chakras. So when I actually started doing this work I didn't actually or when
I was guided say by the universe to be providing these services that have accumulated over actually
you know a good two-thirds of my life. I didn't really think that I was going to be using these
things for others because it was been a big part of my spiritual journey.
So of course when I had a then make it available to others, I kind of was very nervous
because it meant being authentic to myself and putting myself out there as who I am
and my spirituality and my business being one of the same thing, I couldn't no longer
hide behind the mask.
So once I started adding in some of the services that I've accumulated through different
things that I've done over of my life. One of them was Reiki and so I started making it
available as a sideline service and then I started channeling with the clients different
information as to what the root cause of say some of their health concerns were and what
they needed to know to actually further their healing journey and which took me a little
while to acclimate to because I wasn't trusting of that intuitive side at the time.
I was over rationalizing it and trying to find proof, but part of that is where we distort
information because we're playing like a messenger to this other person, and so if I'm
withholding something that it was not meant for me to rationalize, I'm actually preventing
information that they needed to hear for themselves only to be the interpreter.
So that's how it kind of started and then my higher guides started kind of communicating
more and more with me this way and started evolving the service to what we then had
to change the identity up because there was no longer Reiki and the name they gave me was
the shamanic shadows healing and they kind of guided me into it through a little synchronistic work.
But the main reason why they did that is because they wanted and so again to explain what
what the shamanic shadow is healing is is,
where I really lead the person into an out-of-body,
astral state experience through a pairing
of a powerful guided meditation with the energy
that I've developed within my own being
to kind of serve as a bridge to help connect them
to say the higher realms where many of my clients
get to experience spiritual phenomena
like connecting to their deceased loved ones
or their personal guys, angels, guardians, loved ones,
as in their higher self.
So we work with their higher self and reuniting them.
So they themselves can start to open up their own
extra sensory abilities and start utilizing them,
not only within the session, but within their reality.
So that's kind of how we bridge it up and kind of connect them.
And the reason why we do that in my guides were emphatic on that
is because they didn't want me to be the messenger anymore
because they said that it's really important
that the client, the person realizes that they have the answers for themselves and they
have that portal open to them, they just might not know how to access it yet and so instead
of me relaying a message that I might be filtering or skewing through my filters or perception
of what I think I know or where my rationalization is, it's really about connecting them
so they're the ones interpreting whatever they connect to and whatever the messages that
they get through that because it's way more impactful,
experientially, than say going to a psychic or a medium
and saying, oh, your loved ones coming through
and they have this message for you.
If you get to experience that connection
and everybody's experience is unique to them,
they can see, they can maybe feel here.
I find that if that connection takes place,
which happens majority of the time,
but not all times, and I'd say the times
that people struggle to connect is when they come in with strong expectations of how they
should connect and they actually block the connection that way.
And so that's when they kind of connect to these beings, but that's not for the shamanic
shadows healing, that's not the goal is that connection.
That's just the bonus because we also invited those energy of those beings to kind of
proceed with the healing in tandem with the chakras. And what we then really go after
is, um, it's resting the shadow, um, the shadow parts of our psyche of ourselves that
we've buried over time that connects us to our past because the one thing that I found
is that, um, society wise, you know, we've been in trained in condition to cope, but
Nobody was taught how to actually heal themselves.
We were taught how to not feel what we're feeling.
So if you have a headache or physical symptom,
you're trying to do whatever you can to numb that symptom
or not feel it.
So you're gonna go reach out for the tylenol.
Meanwhile, your body is communicating you
something's wrong and you're ignoring that signal
because you're trying to avoid pain.
And so we're conditioned at all costs to avoid pain.
But the root in our healing is actually facing
those shadows, those sources of our pain,
whether it's sourced or rooted physically
or rooted emotionally or mentally or on a sole level.
And so the shamanic shadows healing
is a really a comprehensive thorough process
of walking this person in facing different aspects
of themselves so they can essentially reclaim themselves
and have a new relationship to themselves
because especially if you factor then
in the law of attraction, you're manifesting your reality
by the vibrations you hold within you,
the way you think you create,
and the way you feel empowers those creations.
And so if you have a lot of negative,
low vibratory emotional states of being,
even if you sweat them under the rug,
essentially, in your being,
and pretend it's not there,
it's still creating effects in your reality
if you're unaware of it.
But if you can integrate it and heal it
process and face it. So you release the hold that that has over you. You really have more of a solid
platform and foundation to move forward with because you're not bringing all your baggage with you
essentially is what we're trying to do in the in the shamanic shadows healing is we're trying to
help you release as much of that baggage as possible so that you literally feel light after your
session so I would say in a nutshell that's kind of what we do there. There's so many different,
so it's hard just to say okay this is what we do because it's a little bit of everything because
you're talking about dealing with the hurts and the wounds and things like that versus just
treating the symptoms because you can have these hurts and wounds that can actually stem from
from childhood, birth trauma, there's all types of stuff.
Someone took something from you, when you were younger,
your parents disowned you, whatever it is,
and it creates this hurt there,
and we start acting out of that,
and it messes up our relationships with people.
But it also, but it also creates a magnification
of what your likely to attract in relationships,
because all of our relationships,
even if it's just passing acquaintance are mirrors to us,
showing us different aspects of ourselves
that need addressing or showing us different aspects
of ourselves.
So if say you were raised in an environment
that wasn't supportive of your well-being
or provided unconditional love,
which is the majority of most people's upbringing,
let alone adding factors if there was trauma
or abuse or neglect or abandonment,
we take those and we own those as part of our identity.
And when we associate that as I'm not worth loving
or I don't deserve what it is that I want
or people are out to use me
or whatever those beliefs that we associate
by an experience, you then create relationships
in your reality not because you deserve to be treated badly
but because you believe that that's all your worth.
And so you will have the proof of that
by virtue of law of attraction, like attracts like.
But most people are unconscious of how much of them
is creating what they see.
And so instead of realizing that part of them
has created exactly what they see,
and if they don't like it, they can change it.
Instead, they react to it and create more of a small,
domino effect, more of the same, more of the same.
And wonder why they're not happy with their lives.
Because the symptoms never go away.
like you're gonna keep having those symptoms
until you deal with what they are.
But why you have the symptoms?
Exactly, and I've been through it myself.
I went through, which is a Christian version of Reiki
and what they call deliverance ministry,
like going through just your childhood
and, you know, did you ever think this?
Did your parents ever say it was a big list
and just checklists, filling everything out?
And then I've seen it was a Christian program,
But then there are so many spiritual programs that were like identical, they just changed
the name.
And I'm saying like, look, we're doing the same thing.
I did this in the Christian church.
There were some people who were doing this and then there's people who actually do that
to kind of cut the ties, they call it different names, spiritual, soul ties, cords of attachment,
things like that.
But you got to deal with the root of the problem, if not, you're going to just be dealing
with the symptoms for the rest of your life.
And I've been on shows, you know, we talk about like, you know, I quote the Bible and stuff
like that.
I believe in Jesus and stuff.
And I'll go on new aid shows and I'll mention Jesus or mention the Bible.
And they'll just little subtle things under their breath, under their breath, the laugh,
oh, Jesus, so the Bible and then they're laughing like they don't take it seriously.
But a lot of those people are still even through this conversation or acting out of hurt
by someone in a place of authority that maybe did something to them or their parents tried
to force Christianity down their throat and then take that Christian stuff and shove it.
I don't want nothing to do with that.
So they just start, anybody who's a Christian, anybody who mentions the Bible, they start
operating out of that hurt and they don't know it.
They could be 40, 50 years old, you know, on up into their adult and professional lives
still operating out of hurt and out of trouble messing up people on the way.
I mean, we've all done it if we're honest, you know?
Well, the reason why I think, and what's really important to emphasize, regardless of what
your beliefs are, you have to really explore what beliefs you adopted that did not belong
to you, meaning, you know, you're conditioned as a child.
Your parents tell you what, you know, what's right, what's wrong, what's good, what's
you know, you're religion, if you're indoctrinated in a specific religion, you have a priest or a
pastor or whoever the authority is that is preaching the Bible, but they're interpreting it again
through their lens and their interpretation of what they say it means. And that's where people get
into trouble because they're not owning their truth and being the sole interpreter of what that
means for them. And so they're essentially again propagating the problem and it's basically interpreting
someone else's interpretation. And that's where people get into trouble and that's exactly why
you know my guide specifically for this service you know basically steered me you know and first
let me go that route because it was kind of still opening up that portal in that channel but really
it was them saying what's really important is that person individually needs to assimilate what
are their beliefs through their own exploration, their own interpretation and discover what it means
for them, whether they're sources, the Bible, or Krishna, or they, you know, Judaism,
whatever, they're sources, or maybe they want to explore it all and take little bits and
pieces from each one and find what serves them.
I would say, in my experience and in my opinion, from what I haven't exposed to, I would
say that's the best approach for anyone person to take bits and pieces from exploring
because they're open to trying to understand well what is all these different areas rather than
saying well I wasn't raised this way so I'm going to naturally like repel this modality or
this belief because it goes against you know what my church told me or whatever you know and that's
where people get into trouble it is because they're adopting someone else's belief and remember
or the law of attraction is always working.
It's creating by virtue of your beliefs.
So it's not like, oh, I'm going to prove to you the truth.
It's going to prove to you your belief is true.
So if you are not really in a higher truth space,
you've adopted other beliefs that aren't actually
your own authentic beliefs.
They're just ones that you've accepted as true.
You're creating proof daily that your truth is true.
But then you have to think about everybody else has the same capabilities and we're
this melting pot of, you know, many, many beliefs, creating proof to ourselves that we're
right.
Yeah.
And then you come into conflict because you're like, no, you're wrong because I'm right
because I've gotten the proof of my stuff being more true than you.
Yeah.
And then I've always said it was my expectation brings about my manifestation.
And you see people in the world.
to say, show me proof, and then I'll believe it.
But I say, you know what I'm saying?
Let me believe it first, and then I'll see it.
I mean, that's what faith is, you know?
And just aligning yourself up with that belief.
We're seeing crazy manifestations right now.
Like, even just with this podcast and general,
I got fans and friends who hit me up and say,
you know, they're throwing these big names at me.
Like, hey, what if this person can come on the show?
And then like, the next day,
I get an email from their publicist.
Hey, we want to see if someone so can come on your show and like, man, we're creating, we're
literally creating this as we, as we think it, but then it's when the thought, it joins with
the power of confession. And then we speak it, like we can, what we can walk around having these
positive thoughts all the time and just keep them to ourselves. But when we, when our heart joins
with our, with the, with the mouth and the confession of the spoken word, abracadabra, I create it
as I speak it and we're going, we're literally going around
and creating stuff.
Yeah, especially if you have no resistance to what it is you're
trying to manifest, meaning if it's not going to break or make
or break your day, whether your manifestation happens or not
of what you're trying to intend into the universe, then you're
more likely to be an alignment of receiving the very thing
that you are trying to say purposefully create and attract
and the more, of course, you practice using the law of
attraction consciously things happen a lot faster and you also practice by getting out of your own way
and so things happen faster and you're less resistance to that but for the
average person you know they're in their way you know a lot of times what they
want they have limiting beliefs to what they want because they were taught
something that they can't have what they want for example the belief money
doesn't grow on trees or you got to work hard for everything in life.
That person, that person is struggling and working hard to meet their needs because that's their belief they're seeing the proof of it.
So the challenge is, fifth year belief, allow it room to kind of prove to you in small pieces rather than be like, oh, I'm going to go buy a lottery ticket and I'm going to win.
now I'm going to try out this new law of attraction thing. It doesn't work like that because you
have to think about your belief. Does your belief support your ability to when the law of attraction
or are you already working out the odds against you unconsciously? And so we do that, we sabotage
in all areas of life. And so when you feature in the law of attraction, which is a powerful
universal law for anybody who's listening that doesn't know what it is, it's kind of like gravity
is to earth, it governs our universe, whether you are aware of it or not, but when you become
aware of it, you can literally change your life and who doesn't want that power in their
own hands and that really brings in the concept and I mean you can probably quote the
Bible verse, I'm not again probably I'll probably butcher it, but you know where we're
made in the image of God or whatever, you know, we are co-creators, we are powerful and
And so part of what I think maybe the certain religions might do is not necessarily gift
that individual that they are powerful co-creators in the image of God.
They might plant more the seeds of we were created in sin and we have to fix ourselves
before we can enter his heavenly, you know, realm.
So whatever, you know, again, that's not my arena of delving.
But again, it works the same way you are creating that reality to be truth for you.
Just like if you believe in the devil and evil, it exists because enough of the collective
believes in evil, believes in the devil, but I would say the higher truth to that isn't
necessarily so, but there is enough of a manifested energy behind a collective belief that
creates those denser entities that can actually be demonic in nature and can, you know,
that's when you experience things like, you know, exorcisms and, you know, paranormal activity
and hauntings and what have you. And it's a fear consciousness, but it is a consciousness
that we all, I think, have experienced is fear in general. Fear is a very powerful
manifesting energy, it's just dense.
And so what you create from that is never good.
You mentioned a while ago,
you're talking about the service that you provide
and you mentioned the word channeling,
that you channel.
Talk a little bit more about that
because coming from like a religious background,
that's a scary word for a lot of people.
They think like immediately their mind goes that,
okay, you let a spirit and habit your body
and speak through you.
That's what they talk about.
Um, but there's channeling energies, right?
You can, you can hear about breaking and, and actually give that message that's on somebody
or around somebody.
It's not like, it is a mystical experience, but it's not so woo, woo as leaving your body
and letting, uh, entity speak through you, correct?
So if you, if you are familiar, um, there's different type of, I guess, channeling, um, and
And the kind that you're talking about is where an entity speaks through you or a consciousness
speaks through you.
I would rather approach it from that perspective.
Consciousness that embodies certain identity so you can connect to it as the listener
or the channel can create a certain relationship with this energy that is trying to communicate
higher information through you.
are usually people that channel, I feel like a lot more connected to the deceased,
not to say that they don't have, they can certainly channel guides and angelic
realms and et cetera. But again, I would consider channeling, if we're talking
loosely, we all have the ability to channel to some extent if we open those
portals. It's really just opening up your intuitive faculties where information can process
to you and through you. And that can come in the forms of, you know,
clairvoyance. Your dreams can be a communicating toll-free. They can be
pragmatic. They can let you know what's going on in your world if you were to be
in tune with receiving visually or clairvoyance, which means you might receive visual stimuli
that kind of imprints a message or not necessarily a message but imprints something that needs
to be interpreted kind of I guess like a message either to that individual or whatever it is that's
coming through or maybe it's for you yourself. Clear audience is where and I'm not clear audience
at least not yet. Where you can hear information in your head almost and it's kind of like maybe
more on the voice side of things where you can actually maybe hear something. That's my understanding
of it. But again, I would talk to somebody who actually has that gift for them to describe it to
you. That's not mine. There's clear cognizance, which is I would say is my strongest, which is
where information kind of, and when I say channeling, it's like connecting to a radio frequency
and being in tune with higher information that flows through you in my case in the form of
of noings. So it's like you can have downloads, exactly. So it's like where the thought
isn't your natural thinking mind, where you're thinking, what I'm going to be for lunch
today, you're receiving information that's kind of profound if you were to really listen
to it and then share it with another person. And usually maybe it's because you're sharing
with that person, but then when you're actually hearing yourself say it, a lot of times
that message is also for yourself. And in my case, I find that to be a lot of times with
my clients is they're usually a big time and near to me. But in any case,
channeling can be also in the form of being an empath, a feeler, where you feel
energy and you can almost assimilate the energies in the room or what that
person is going through because you're feeling their stuff in your body. And I
would say that's another one of my experience that like sickness or headaches or
bad things. And I'd have to take my hands off the person to see is this
mine or is this there? Exactly right I'll talk about that in the Christian church like like being in
churches and it was a safe haven growing up because like the pastor would trust me to go on stage
and ask anybody if they were feeling that but if you're in a large group of people and you don't
know you've never heard a podcast like this you don't have nobody that talked to and you're in a
large group of people all of a sudden you got this crazy back pain or I had an experience where I went
death in one of my ears and I thought like in the Christian church, we think it's the devil coming
against it. We're sorry. I can't hear the devil trying to take my hearing. I rebuke you in Jesus
name and it doesn't go away. Well, like, oh my God, I gotta go to the doctor. I can't hear, you know,
and then you find out like, hold on. Let me confess this. If I'm praying, if I'm healed and I'm
delivered, I'm set free. Why is this happening to me? Well, maybe it's not me. Maybe somebody else
has this and I'm moved by their infirmity like what's going on with them. So you have to find out
if it's yours, if it is a demonic attack or a negative energy attack or if somebody else in here
cannot hear out of their ear and you're the one to deliver the message or put your hand on them
and and and actually have their ear popping open and I was in a church that actually allowed me
to kind of move that way. I tell the pull of passion to decide he let me get on stage and call it
out on the microphone and people would come forth and they'd get healed and my pain in my ear
or my neck, whatever the energy was dealing with,
it would leave when it wouldn't lift that person.
It's awesome, but it's like the safe haven.
And I think podcasts like this are important
because people, like, that's some's driving people crazy.
They're like going to Walmart and like,
just energies and they're just like,
oh my God, I'm just, I gotta keep to myself
getting here and get what I need and get out.
And then, you know.
Like probably why I love people have a lot
of social anxiety because they are,
A, they feel, you know, different,
or they're feeling so many other people's energies
that they might not be able to discern
what's theirs versus what's others
and can have a lot of anxiety associated with that.
But I would like to share to, like two examples
that kind of popped a mind of clients.
And when I mentioned when I first started doing the raking,
this is before it's evolved into the service
that I told you about with the shamanic shadows healing.
One of my earliest clients,
and initially it was another girl that was going on
attorney to leave that did Reiki that was like, hey, can you take my client, you know,
I'm going to maternity leave. And so I was like, sure, why not? And the only thing she told me
or that I was aware of about him is that he had cancer, but I didn't know what kind, you know,
again, I was still kind of new at adding that service to to make available to other people.
Because I thought they would be seeing me for a different service more that I thought was going
to be my breadwinner and little did I know it was going to evolve me in so many different ways,
but at this time when I was working on it, I remember I was like working on his heart chakra
and this message popped in my head, that is why I fit cheated on him. So when I said the filter,
so that was my big, he's my big, I hate it when it's those big things. I'm looking for a ring on his
finger and I'm like, is he even married? I don't see a ring and I'm like, I must have pulled this
out on my butt, you know, I'm making this stuff, you know, and that's when I was like,
I'm not going to say anything because my ego didn't want to be wrong, right? I was like,
I don't even want to say anything.
That's too big. It was something small. I hate you have pain in your back. No, I'm good. Okay,
yeah, your wife's cheating on me. Yeah, like, you're not trying to play at those seats,
and he didn't even have a ring. So I'm like, oh, I just, I'm making this stuff up.
So, and that's when I, um, and it working on his root chakra, which is in, you know, in between
your pelvic region and I was hovering just above it a few inches and it was literally
like my hand went on fire like I was hovering over a hot stove and so of course I was like
what is this? So anyways when he came out of his session I then asked him I'm like what kind
of cancer did you have and that's when he said I have prostate cancer and everything clicked
after that it was like he developed prostate cancer because his wife had cheated on him
And he internalized that not just as an emotional betrayal,
but a sexual betrayal of what a man ego cried of what's wrong with me down there
that she had to find it somewhere else.
And all that anger and all that like, you know, energy.
He internalized in that root chakra, which is also associated with, you know,
your genital regions and physical body parts.
And that's in that sense.
And so it manifested into his, um, into his prostate cancer.
So if I had withheld that message, which was actually the clue to his healing, because it was the root cause as why he had not been able to heal yet, even though he started off alopathically doing chemo during radiation, but it came back full force, because it wasn't caused physically, and again, I'm not necessarily one that stands behind that.
I have my own opinions but anyways we're not going to go into that but so that's when
he started looking into alternative routes you know changing his diet and he also then started
doing the energy healings with me once a month for about nine months and he was part of
my evolution process of what my service was evolving into no longer being raky and anyways
he's now cancer-free because he started doing the work, not only with the energy and the healing
that we were doing, but consciously trying to forgive and release that anger and that whole thing.
We'll come back closing that door, yeah.
And so, and yeah, it's cancer's undetectable. And another one, I want to give another example
that was one of my, and I have so many profound examples, some that people have done testimonial
videos on which you know I'm always grateful for when people share their story but of course
not everybody feels comfortable on camera so I have all the stories and or what people get to
connect to and so it's been like a crazy wild experience for me to be a part of that with them
but there was this one lady that kind of taught me something else or showed me proof of
and in this case it was a proof that we are not our physical bodies nor are we the symptoms
of those physical bodies, we are the soul that inhabits it and so the being, the essence of the
consciousness and how this was shown to me was because originally she had a bunch of family
members that had all come to see me. Most of their family because they all experience a lot of
loss of loved ones. I think they collectively lost like 12 members or something like that
where they were all grieving in different ways, you know, and reacting to the remaining
members in different ways, because they were internalizing it differently.
So anyways, there were quite a few that had already come to see me before she'd come
to see me, and so she got to share what they got to connect to, who they saw or talked
to, or whatever, you know, of the loved ones, and so she came in with those expectations.
The other problem was, is she is hard of hearing.
She had a hearing aid.
And so when we were laying down and I'm trying to guide her,
she was like, wait, what, what, I can't hear you.
And she was having a lot of trouble hearing me
to the point, I was just like, you know what,
this is gonna get in the way of your session.
I think we're just going to do just an energy balancing
for you today.
And so she was really, you could tell,
just really disappointed.
Like she felt like she was not gonna get
the same experience that her family did.
you know, and I kind of felt bad while I was going through, I'm like, oh man, like, you know,
she can't hear me, because she took the hearing aid out and just kind of let herself relax.
And, um, or she might have turned it down or just, yeah, I think she might have just turned it down.
I don't think she should get out. And just kind of let herself go. And when I knew she was in a
trance-like state where she let go of that control and trying to force this experience,
I then started talking to her and started leading her into it. And she heard every word
and crying and sobbing at different parts that she was connecting to and it was because
you know she wasn't the limited hearing. She was the soul that was in another state
that was processing the work that she was doing that was still connected to physical
self of course but it was just really a profound experience I think not only for her and
for me is to say, you know, you weren't limited by your physical condition or your limitation
or your pain, although I would say pain can get in the way of somebody connecting.
If you're in severe pain, it's really hard to take your focus off of that pain to even
disconnect from body because you're kind of rooted in that, the suffering in your own
pain physically.
And so I'd say that sometimes people would struggle with if they're coming in with pain
and didn't take their paying medication and they're feeling everything more intensely so
and then you're trying to get them to relax so they can, you know, go into this astral state
kind of like when you're dreaming, you know. But anyways, I wanted to share those two examples.
No, it's awesome. It's awesome because like the same exact stories that I have and you
have very similar ones, like I had my experience in the Christian church, right? It was a
the cares matter church or wasn't like some backward back because it was charismatic which is open
to the spiritual giftings that are mentioned in the Bible. It talks about healing and laying on
of hands and hearing the voice of this spirit and being led by intuition you know all of that stuff
is not what I consider channeling. Exactly I know right so we're saying the same thing just
different because the word channeling is not in the Bible but essentially you can channel the
Holy Spirit. You can pick up on unclean spirits that are leached on to people. It's being able to
to feel the energy and stuff like that.
And it's also how the stories are so similar.
And you've never, you don't have the background of being
in the Christian church.
And it's the exact same thing.
It's awesome.
But then when people get mad,
because they feel like they own their religion
or they own their experience.
And it's this way, and this is the only way that it's...
Oh, because our ego, ego is something that I think is
in everybody's way.
we all, I think, on our spiritual journey, struggle with, you know, what's your higher truth
versus what's your lower truth and your ego tends to, I mean, it's gotten in my way plenty
of times, you know, that's what I feel like I've had a lot of depth to in certain ways, but
there's a lot that still needs to be transcendent on my part, even with all the work I've done
on myself and my journey, you know, I still got room to go, you know, not like it's not like climbing
to the top of the house.
I've arrived.
I've arrived.
That's it.
I would say it's an unfolding, like an onion.
You're peeling back layers of falsehoods or things that you accepted previously as what
you thought was true and then you realized there's a higher truth to even that.
And so what I would compare that to is as humans, we're like toddlers on the playground.
You know what I mean?
We are evolving and I think our consciousness is beginning to collectively evolve so that we
can be more mature on a soul level where our first instinct isn't to fight with somebody
or to persecute them because I think something differently to you.
I think we're beginning to become more open and I think it's taking a lot of those leadership
roles that people have taken upon themselves because of their journey to really speak
out about opening up that portal and being like look you might believe this or you come from this
country or you might wear this kind of rag on your head and you know have Muslim beliefs or whatever
you know but hey I accept you you know I can still love you I can still see god essence in you
you know or consciousness or source essence in you you know I think it's really when we start to
like separate and create judgment and labels to differentiate why we're different is where
we really start to to get problematic with one another instead of being like, you know,
like you got some good qualities. I would like to pick your brain and learn a little
bit about why you believe what you believe, you know, I don't need to adopt it. Nor do I
need to project mine onto you and say you're wrong and sheres mine, you know. But I think
we can kind of just have that sort of coexistence of acceptance, there would no need for war.
That's where... that's where we're headed. Yeah, I mean that's where spiritual awakening
starts for like a lot of people who come out of a dogma and come out of religion or the new age
or a cult or whatever the case is. And so they end up saying that they have this and this is my
own and I'm different and I'm unique and then they put it in a box. Yeah and yeah so nobody can mess
with it and then here here they're listening to this interview and you know I'm saying maybe they
resonate with me I'm a Christian I have this stuff and then you have the same exact story but
hold on it just like totally messes up everything because we're thought we're taught to see what
makes us different and why our religion is right. Like that's what they tell you to like be able to
break down everybody's belief system and understanding to prove why yours is right. Well in doing
that I mean you can't you can do put two and two together and see what makes us the same if you
can see what makes us different you can see what makes us the same and all of the stuff starts
lining up and the experiences and love is universal and healing and and and and and being around
good people and all of this stuff and it it it kind of breaks down the walls that that you've
actually built up and so listening to stuff like this if you have something to protect it becomes
threat to like their belief. Oh, and that's not real because it because the threatens their their belief in like
But you can only you can only imagine like if somebody has based their whole life upon this not just their life
But their eternal salvation like where they're gonna go forever and they and they have trusted this belief system
And so to be told that that's wrong it can only be you know
It's only like the fight of life that kind of change nobody likes change and nobody likes to be told that they're wrong
nobody likes criticism, you know, and I get what you're saying with the self
preservation of, you know, here's the problem is they identify it as who they
are. And that's why it's really hard because it means like oh I'm not who I
think I am then if this belief needs to shift because it's not really the ultimate
truths and I and so I think people have a crisis of consciousness when they when they do say end up
you know breaking with their religion or their church because they they feel that what they've
come to know does not it challenges what they've been told to know and so that's where I feel like
they push it all away and resist it completely or say I don't believe in anything or I'm going to
go, Buddhist, or I'm going to, you know, or maybe they'll go explore, you know, exploring.
And I can definitely say that because, you know, when you're told your whole life, what
you're supposed to be believing and how you should act and you're good if you do this
and you're bad, we fracture ourselves, we can't be whole and know we're going to be accepted
for who we are without disowning parts of ourselves that we say isn't good enough.
I'm not allowed to show anger because that's not the best item.
And not allowed to be sad because that means I'm a crazy troll.
Yeah, I'm just depending if you're male or female, right?
So guys are, you know, definitely been raised harshly in that demeanor.
You know, like a lot of guy, especially my guy clients will repeat a lot of that
programming as, you know, if you get upset or hurt and really it
because you have a reason to, you know, you might have had that strict parenting
where like, I'll give you something to cry about if you cry, you know what I mean?
And so it makes guys even dissociate from their own feelings,
their own intuitive compass of where they're at.
And that's what our emotions are.
They're clueless to where you're at at the given point of time.
Something's making you feel this way.
But if you're not allowed to explore that,
unless it's exerted in a socially acceptable manner
of anger or testosterone, think about why that really,
you can't just be like, yo man, I'm really sad.
grandmother died and I just want like a shoulder to cry on. You know what I mean? Or like,
you got to pull up your bootstraps and be like, tough enough, I'm going to go drink some, you know,
alcohol real quick and get over it. You know? And so a lot of guys, especially the way they
were conditioned in society, have swept a lot of their stuff under their rug. So they do have a
lot of things to work with. However, women, they have, I'd say, had more of an acceptance as far
are being able to express themselves emotionally.
However, they still have it as a tool of showing weakness
in that sense of, like, oh, you're crazy.
You're getting over-reacting or you're over, you know.
Sensitive.
Yeah, you're overly sensitive.
You don't have a reason to feel the way you do.
And so they get discredited how they feel.
And it really disempowers them in that way too.
you can kind of see why that energy is so in our society is just so unbalanced. Because you
don't get to really be where you're at and so you're trying to talk yourself out of where you're at
or not feel what you're feeling. And again, you know, it internalizes energetically, you know,
it's dense, those negative emotions are so heavy and dense and it manifests, not only in physical
illness and conditions, if that's what you have not resolved. But again, like I said, in your
reality, you are manifesting experiences that are giving you more of that same hurt in layers of pain
or trauma. If you were, for example, raised in an abusive household where maybe one of them was
an alcoholic or whatever and dad was beating up on mom, whatever, you know, you you might know
that's wrong and I don't want that for myself but even your resistance energetically like I don't
want that is still magnifying it to you and attracting it to you where where you then enter into
these relationships that treat you the way you know you don't deserve but then you start to believe
it is the way you deserve because that's all you know and so those individuals come in yeah
It always keeps coming because why you never adult with that initial trauma that wound
of when that was first initiated with you as normal and that would have been saying
you're upbringing, you saw it being normal with mom and dad and it felt bad and you hated
seeing it and you might have even gotten the friends of it and it distorts your reality
of what you think is acceptable and even though you know better and you have those friends
that you think are in these relationships
where you say they should know better,
they should leave this person
and they don't leave this person.
And it's because they don't think they deserve better
because that's all they've known.
And again, it's not the truth.
Yeah.
But it's what we've accepted in our own selves as truth.
And it's because a lot of times,
we don't feel we deserve better
because maybe we haven't had proof of deserving better.
We've had proof of where we've been.
And so it really takes people coming into their own awareness
and their own consciousness.
I feel to start to address those things.
And some people might have happened naturally,
because you've been seeking, because you've
been in your pain.
You've been in your stuff.
And that's how I think a lot of also mine started.
I was in my mess.
I was in my darkest days.
I was my own worst enemy.
what I mean and when I was looking in the mirror, I was crying myself to sleep every night
because I was trying to find everything that was wrong with me because I felt different
because I didn't belong. I mean, I come from another country and I come from South Africa,
you know, moved to the United States, Texas first, you know, I was different. I communicated
different. I had a different accent. I spoke faster than everybody else, you know. So I felt
like I didn't belong and then add in my beliefs, you know, and the things that I've been exposed to
at a young age, like I said, connecting to spirit world, started for me at age 13.
I started studying astrology when I was 12, you know, to understand initially myself because
I wanted to know why am I different, you know, and I, and that, so I've always been that
seeker, but it also took a lot of self-punishment along that way until finally I reached
this breaking point where I'd hurt myself so badly, I damaged myself so badly, emotionally,
It became like scar tissue where kind of liberated me.
I didn't feel anymore.
It was like, I don't even feel my own torture now.
So it was like kind of like the setting free.
I was numb.
And I was kind of like owned this like new confidence
that I could just be myself because I didn't care anymore
because I'd already done the worst to myself
that anybody else could have ever done.
And I feel like that then led me on kind of like a liberating
journey of and then things coming into my field of experience because I
shifted my energy. I no longer was holding on to that darkness of feel bad. I was
now kind of not feeling anything but kind of having having hope and then I
started then being you know got introduced to the law of attraction when I was
19 and then that completely blew my reality wide open as what was possible and what I could try
and what I could manifest and of course at that stage was still playing with the ego because a lot
of my bruising was ego related and so I'm still trying to prove my worth to myself in that ego so I
was manifesting from that place which came easily to me but then it also I was still having this
private spiritual journey this whole time. You know, not that I thought I was going to use it
doing the work that I do now for others. That's not what I foresaw for myself. But it's really
interesting that I feel like the universe was divinely guiding me in this direction the whole time,
but I was unaware of it because I was focusing on ego pursuits of what can I have if I attract this
or what can I maybe I'll feel better if I have this until I reach the point where none of those
those things made me happy, you know, and I had a like to do it with myself, I'm like,
okay, well, what's going to make me happy?
Like, you know, that's kind of when I surrender to the universe.
I'm like, I need to sign like, you know, I've attracted money in large sums easily.
You know, I've, you know, put my husband on the vision board and he's now my husband,
you know, like, and he's exactly, you know, the fitting image of the guy on the
with all the characteristics, you know.
So I've created all these different things
and learned to master the law of attraction for myself,
but a lot of that I feel like for anybody
who's trying to do it for themselves,
it's about self-mastery.
It's more about getting rid of the things that are preventing you
from co-creating in the space of your desires
rather than in the space of your fears
because you can also quickly attract latch.
You can quickly attract what you don't want.
don't want very easily and I've seen those examples too but yeah I think that I don't know I think
my journey has just been amazing and I'm still seeing what's unfolding and every like I said the
synchronicities that follow when you're in tune it shows up you know and I think that if you
just have to be open to the universe or God or whatever you're you're thinking is proving it to
that it's real is going to show up for you, you know, but you got to start that belief
small.
You have to even prove that the law of attraction works to you, you know, it works for
you.
And so start small, don't go for those big ticket items, I'm going to, you know, I'm
going to manifest a celebrity want to come in my show when I just started my show, you
know what I mean?
I'm not going to believe that it's going to happen right off the bat, you know, you have
to be out.
I've actually emailed some of these people when I first started, like years ago, you know,
I'm saying now and now they're coming to me.
So yeah, you know what I'm saying, so.
Because you've shifted your ability to manifest
and believing in your ability to-
There's practical steps in it.
It's not just magic.
Oh my God, I thought about it.
It happened.
Everything's practical.
I believe in magic.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm absolutely in magic.
Magical prove itself to you.
Yeah, I mean, it is, but it's practical magic.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, there is steps.
It's like, okay, let me make the phone call.
Let me just trust that this phone call is the magic.
And let me, when I get this person on the line,
they'll say, yes, trust that I'm going to get it. It's where I see myself in the future.
This is where I see myself doing. I'm speaking with all of it, putting barriers on what that magic
is supposed to be for us. It's so everything is magic. Like all of it, the thought, the confession,
all of it. If you believe in magic, magic shows up for you. If you believe in miracles,
miracles show up for you, but if you the type that doesn't believe in it, it doesn't show up for
you because you don't believe it and so miracle magic you can you can synchronicity all these
terminologies you know or either going to create a resonance with you where you're like yeah I can
get behind that you know maybe if you're religious a miracle might seem more resonant to you in a
language form if you're more spiritual maybe magic unless of course you know you have certain you
you know, if you associate with being a witch or, you know,
demon worshipping or whatever, you know,
then maybe you might have a resistance
to what you think that means.
If you're in law of attraction, new age community,
it might just be intending manifesting
and you might do different rituals or meditative practices
to get you into that space so that you're in flow
to have things happen for you quicker.
And that can be magical, but really, I feel like anything is possible.
In my experience, which again, I can't tell people what's truth and what's not truth
for them.
And again, I can't tell you what to believe and what not to believe.
That's your journey.
You're the one that lives with that daily.
You're the one that has to challenge that for yourself, because if you're not experiencing
magic or these profound, wonderful experiences, maybe it's because you're not seeking
it.
you've already written it off, because you've only been able to experience doom and gloom
in your reality so far, or, you know, you are a realist. The realists are the ones that
I think have a lot of trouble with manifesting, because they are the ones that typically
have that belief of, I have to see it before I believe it, right? So, so did you watch, so
And did you watch the spirit orb footage that I should have sent you?
Yeah, no, that was so cool.
Yeah.
I've seen similar stuff too with big ones, so yeah, so to have a frame of reference of seeing
somebody else and then seeing your footage, yeah, that was awesome.
But then, can you imagine if I went up to that realist and be like, well, I'm showing you
something, what do you believe now, you know, and they're like, we're going to try to,
they're still going to, they're still going to, yeah, try to rationalize it.
like, do you ever see dust particles that move like this, you know,
to get it and get it in front of your floor and flicker like a strobe-like change
colors, like a rainbow, you know. And that's what, you know, I find interesting
because it started showing up because I was opening that doorway. I was
opening that portal. I was working with energy and I would and how it started
with those spirit orb footages was when people started doing testimonial videos
and they started seeing them flying around them in their testimonial videos and that's when the
question became was well what's happening during their session and so then I started taking like a
clip maybe a little bit in the beginning of the session middle and end and just for like a minute
and put pops up. It would be insane to like really film like what's going on you know what I'm
saying in those in those realms to actually see the angels doing the work or the energy moving
and then changing and leaving the body and things like that.
It's insane when you do get a glimpse of something,
but even the orb is like, that's just the beginning of it, right?
I mean, there's so much going on inner healing and inner work.
And we talk about like the ayahuasca ceremony and journey.
I know Amber Lion, her stories are amazing.
She talked about going to Peru and doing her journey.
And she said, well, she seemed what looked like to be little elves.
all over her body doing work and repairing her DNA fixing the DNA like little
elves on her body like what if we actually was able to see that wasn't I guess
I guess on on the psychedelic you can though like on well I'm not because what
it's doing is it's like removing your filters we have filters like creating
this holographic view of perception of what we see in our reality that is you
and our filters are made up of our personality and our beliefs and our experiences that says,
what is real, what's not real, what's good, what's bad, you know, you kind of create like this
perception and that's how you see through your lens and that's the reality you experience.
And someone's, someone else's reality can be completely different. But when you're doing
in this case, ayahuasca, I feel like how I would describe it, it's like, it's opening you up to
to those higher truths, but it's doing so by stripping away the filters of what, you know,
you think you know. You know, and like they say, you don't know what you don't know,
and it's been really, and I've had quite many of these experiences, but I would say,
you know, like my first one was obviously, I feel like my most profound, because you're going
into it blind, you're going into it a little bit of anxiety and fear because in my
world, you know, I wasn't very experimentative with drugs or psychedelics, you know, mostly
like marijuana or I tried trims, you know, but I never really messed with drugs. I was conditioned
to stay away from it. However, you know, they say like even if you're raised by the same
household, your siblings might take a different approach because when you're told not
to do something, you might say, well, I'm going to repel, I'm going to try it, because
now I want to know why you're stopping me from it.
So, in this case, me and my sister had a different approach.
She was more open to experimenting and I became more closed off because I was like, oh, I
got to be this do-gooder, you know, and walk the straight line and, you know, and I was
the eldest.
So, I was, in my opinion, her role model, you know, but in this case, you know, I remember
her, she planted the seed that she really wanted to try this medicine and kind of
described it to me. Well, anyways, it kind of crossed my path. And to the point where I remember
thinking like, oh, my sister's been wanting to do it, I'm going to share this information
with her. And then I decided after doing a little bit of research, I'm like, fuck it, I'm
going to do it too. You know, and part of me was like, I'm going to protect my little sister,
you know, and they're pretty. But it was such a profound experience for me. And how
a lot to do with. At the time, this was in 2016. My intentions around my mother, she had
a very toxic influence on me energetically, and I had a really hard time with that. I actually
did a video describing all this experience and all the synchronous things that not only
led up to that, but didn't follow that, so if anybody wants to watch it, it goes more
into detail. The things I got to experience, it was really profound. I got to learn that
and then some with my mom connected even to Mother Earth
and the relationship to Gaia and Mother Earth.
I remember healing codes being downloaded into my hands,
and I'm just like, oh my gosh, it's so cool.
But then there were parts that weren't that fun
when you're throwing up and you're releasing
what's not serving you, in which the first one,
it chose for me to release disease and illness.
And that's mostly because my intention
around my mother who has Lyme disease. And energetically, because I had, and the bigger clue
was I had poor boundaries with my mom, she was energetically leaching those toxic energies into
me because I had poor boundaries. And so every time I was around her, I felt depleted. I felt
like the life was sucked out of me. And come to find out is because I had poor boundaries of what's
her energy versus what was mine. But in that same experience, Trump even showed up in it, which
Like I said, I did a video about, and I think the reason even that information came to me and it actually came, it kind of popped up in like two other people's experience in that group.
Different information about Trump and it was really profound because, one, I'm not political, you know, I didn't have an opinion. I wasn't even following the President, you know, elections because I'm not even American.
So my opinion doesn't matter, you know, so it's like try like fighting a battle, you know about who you're supporting when you can't even officially support this person anyways, or who you're for it again
That's why you get the vision because you don't have a stake in the matter. You don't have a like a piece of notion
Yeah, I was just like whatever this is on the the drama in the world right now
I'm like not my this is not my world. I'm gonna focus on my world. You know, like he fixed up my shit
It's like harder for me to receive for people that I know like if I know like if I know what you're going through and people
Like hey, would you pull a card for me? Can I can you see if you can get a word for me?
It's like I can't but it's harder because I already know so I have to I have to fight like what I already know
I can use wisdom and I can pray and I can speak a blessing but to really tap in and pull something
It's either for something if I know you know attachments
Yeah, they say yeah, he learned her circle. I try
And then there's like kind of an expectation, you know, like even someone like my sister
like, oh, can you put me back together?
But then she goes, lives this like, you know, party lifestyle, and then doing a, you know,
the funny thing is though, Jesus went through the same thing.
Like the people who knew him, they, they couldn't receive from him.
Like they're like, man, this is a carpenter.
We know this dude.
We went to school with this guy and you're saying he's the son of God.
He's healing everybody.
Get out of here with that.
And he couldn't do miracles.
He couldn't.
But when you go out of town,
the bias against you receding you too.
And you also have that relationship with them.
And it's frustrating, and for me in particular,
because a lot of the mommy stuff on my end
was like, mom, I just need to get you in here
and fix you up so we can have a good relationship.
You know, and of course she was like resistant to it
because you're my daughter.
And so we had, you know, so she's never done a session
with the shamanic healing,
even though a lot of the work that I've done
involved in, it has been somewhat inspired by what I want to do to help her. But again, like,
that's awesome. Yeah, heal your inner circle and it's frustrating because you want to.
That's awesome. That you actually motivated from that. And then so therefore you're healing
other people's relationships. And I think, you know, in the midst of that, the universal
guys are going to send it back to you in one form or the other. Like if you're like almost like
when you're healing someone else's mother, you're doing your extending the work to your mother as
as well. I've always felt that, you know. And also it's really important for people to understand
like I might be in the role of like what you've deemed you know like humor. I play that role
but at the same time it's like a relationship with the client and this higher space. It's kind of
like we're working together. You know I'm kind of serving more so as a bridge to connect you so you
You can, in a guide, so I'm more serving as a guide while kind of being holding space
with, with allowing energy to flow through me, while you essentially are the one doing
the work on yourself, you're, you're just being guided to, to, you know, address those
points, but how you internalize it, how you work around it or with it, you know, and what
you, is what you take with you or what you leave without, you know, is going to be your
journey and that's why everybody's experience, therefore it's unique to them, you know,
is because everybody comes in with their own stuff and, you know, everybody kind of experiences
it in their own way there for, you know, and some people have done more work on themselves
than others, you know, so some people's experiences are more intense.
The other thing, so the shamanic shadows healing is, I would say, the foundation of where
usually start clients, but then there's still like the shamanic journey which was what
anything is possible after that, you know, when it comes to like potentials, I'm still seeing what's
possible through virtue of what they connect to, whether it's multi-dimensional experiences of
traveling to other dimensions, connecting with other beings, channeling their future self,
doing ancestral healing and working on the energies of what you've inherited from your own ancestors,
because that's the other day we're also connected and have once been our own ancestors.
So essentially when you're sending healing to your own ancestry, it's trickles downhill
and that's how it embodies in you and that shifts that it takes place in you.
You can do things like past life, healings, I mean really like anything's possible.
One of the testimonials that's on my website, he actually wrote out the testimonial detail
by detail and this is where he was able to connect to an ascended master Lausu who instructed
us to refer to him as master and basically he was able to channel and a lot of my clients
too actually I should mention have channeled information about myself or channeled my when
I was pregnant my child I had like about four clients who had my baby come through and
had her giving messages through them to me. And they knew the difference, you know, so it was
really profound in Institute. But yeah, this particular client, he, yeah, he got a channel
Lausu and went on this journey and got to download this profound enlightened wisdom that
he also channeled. He was one of his, we were both actually apparently students in this lifetime
of Laus-Zou, but he was like remembering it and seeing it and describing the visual and
then connecting to this master and a sended master and we were asking questions, you know,
even I was asking questions and he was downloading, you know, these answers or channeling the
answers. And when I say channeling, he was speaking through his, where my clients speak through
their physical self, describing what it is they're experiencing as they're
experiencing it. So that's what I mean by channeling. You are connecting, but you're
describing it through your physical self. What you're experiencing. So I know
where you're at any given time or where you might be stuck or where else we
need to kind of suggest to go with it, you know? That's fun. Yeah, definitely. We
got a lot of people in the chat room just very blown away by your
stories and so yeah, go ahead and give your website to if anybody wants to contact you
for a personal session or check out some of the videos that we just mentioned about
the orbs and stuff like that.
I want to experience it as some of the real videos.
Yeah, you can go to my website.
It's www.wholisticspeltw.com with a W, so W-H-O-L-I-S-T-I-C, and then a dash-vitality.com.
The other thing I failed to mention, too, is embracing the gap of multiple modalities and
we've mostly spent time discussing the spiritual, mystical, shamanic, and we've barely
scratched the surface on all of it, but the other things I really stand behind is finding
a bridge between two worlds, and a lot of people, especially the rational mindsets, are those
that stand behind science.
So I've tried to incorporate even services
that have more of like a technology science backing.
And so things like quantum biofeedback
is what I offer.
I have a photon sound beam machine,
which is based on Tesla's technology.
A PE, a meth mat, which is pulse-electromagnetic frequency mat.
I just invested in a crystallite machine,
which is kind of more still working with chakras,
but it is still a piece of mechanical technology.
You know, so there's definitely there is definitely a relationship if you can see the commonalities between the two
However, I would say that I feel science is still behind
The spiritual of what is you know, and it's science trying to prove what already has been and is and it's just behind and being able to do that
But if you have subscribed to science being the only answer
Well, then you might be kind of behind a little bit to us to what actual higher truths might be because you're trying to have something
prove it to you, rather than having the intuitive connection to even want to prove that that might be.
I like it when they line up, though. I like it when the science and spirituality.
It's like you like when religion and spirituality and all these different areas that people seem to find.
It kind of proves that you have somebody else speaking what you believe.
And I don't think that it adds more credit to what you believe.
If you got all these other people and all these other religions and science are backing
up what you believe.
I'm just over here like told you, you know what I'm saying, like everybody's talking
about the same thing, you know, I love it.
So we do have a caller here.
I'm going to jump to this call.
We got someone calling from Northwest Ohio, a caller who he's speaking with.
Northwest Ohio.
Hello. Hello, Derek. Hello, Nicole. I have a question about astral travel. Okay. I have tried many
times when I was a child. I was exposed to this probably from the time I was 10. Okay. And what
happens is, and you may have answered it with your explanation of fear consciousness. Every time I'm
able to just get out. But as soon as I look down at myself, I am immediately jumping. I'm
passing back down. But I've had experience definitely with the dark side, a lot of experience
with that. Even to this day, if I'm upset, my husband's yelling at me because lights
are going off and on, TV's going off and on from all around the house.
So, so here is potentially involved here.
What were you raised with with your beliefs is my question.
Like what beliefs were you raised with?
For a while, when I was a very young child for a few months, I did go to a Baptist church.
But generally, spiritualist.
Okay, and your parents are also not.
Yes, yes.
But I do think some of it may have to do with when I was, I want to say I was probably
12 or 13, there was a family member that was taking courses on parapsychology and the instructor
died, it wasn't during class, but it was during the session, like not in class, but when
they were taking classes and people were speculating that it was due to losing contact
with their court.
So I know that's probably a fear part of the life here too, yeah.
Because you adopted it from someone else, even though that wasn't initially your first
experience and so fear that it could happen to you, correct.
But part of you is still a seeker and you're curious and you've had some profound experiences
with it, so it seems like you're dabbling on two sides of the field there, correct? You're
kind of like, correct. Balancing off. I don't dabble with the dark side. Like I grew up
with a lot of that, yes, okay. But you have fear of the dark side, so there's a resistance
there, so you may have had some questionable experiences that might propagate some more
that fear because it's the unknown. And so again, you might have had from what it sounds like,
you have two energies, one's that's curious and wants to know more and wants to go further,
but part of you is also afraid of what could happen if you did go further. Yes? Yes,
but there's like a part of me that's compelled that I know I'm supposed to be doing this,
that there's something that I need to see and that's what's driving me.
Well I also meant to mention is that I have come to find and I don't and you said
you're located where?
Northwest Ohio.
Ohio.
I have done quite a few distant remote facilitated sessions with the shamanic journey which
has made it even more exciting for me because at first I wasn't sure if it was something
that could be facilitated from afar because I felt so excited, I'm like that I come into this
and I'm seeing it transform and change people's lives before my eyes, before their eyes in a
lot of ways, or at least get them on that path of transformation. And so it started off actually
doing it with a friend and I'm like, well let's try it, let's see it and she was able to connect
and get the same quality of experience from afar as in person and so I've
done and facilitated quite a few of these from afar as long as there's
mutual availability so if that's something that interests you we could
definitely talk some more you can reach out to me on my website and I have
already. I've already thanked your website in my favorite. So yeah and keep in mind the session
last three to four hours. It's very, very comprehensive. I address a lot of things. I'm not somebody
that's good with time management in the sense of like, okay, you only got this hour and you're
cut off after that hour because this is what you're paying me for. I try to really create it with,
Like I said, in tandem with my guides, to make it as comprehensive to get as much addressed
in one session, and again, that's not to say that everything you need is going to be in that
one session, because depending on your desires or goals or what might need further work,
the next step might be that you want to try a shamanic journey. And that's not to say that I'm
the only person on that path for you. You might explore, say, some of the things we've talked about,
like plant medicine or other divination systems or other healing techniques with other
healers. You know this is your journey and I would say what's really important for anybody
on their journey is to listen to synchronicity and synchronicity is basically what appears as
coincidence but isn't coincidence. It's like those little magical moments as we put it that aligns
you with either a person or a piece of information or a song that is an alignment that resonates
with you for the the the seeking that you are currently on where you feel the sense of knowing
this that that's what you need to do next. And if that's kind of when you feel like by listening
to this podcast, you know, that might be a clue and in connecting and that's how I find most
my clients get drawn to me it's kind of synchronistically you know they find me and and you know
and it was meant to be and part of it is also meant to be for me as well because they're part
of my growth as well. So I see I always see this in biotic relationship. I hope I answered your
question. Let me know if I, if I, if I, another perspective. Yes. Well, thank you very much.
I think you did. And I just, I, I'm going through your website. And I love it. So thank
you very much. I appreciate it. Well, hopefully we'll be working together soon. What was your
name again? Okay. Oh, this is Brenda. Okay. Brenda, Brenda, is this Brenda Bradshaw?
Okay, oh hey, how are you? Okay. Awesome. I do a lot of commenting on your post.
Oh, I know. Awesome. Yeah, good. Thank you very much. You have a good day.
You too. Thank you so much.
It's always good to hear from some of the people who's on social media and she's been
supporting on Patreon as well, so it's always cool to connect with people and that
good stuff.
So yeah, it's awesome too because you're talking about, that's the question I was going
to ask you because you're talking about you have all this equipment, so I'm assuming
if you have all this equipment then you must be doing a lot of in-house sessions where
you are actually able to be physically there with the person.
But I can also be distant too, which is really cool because especially, like I said, I'm
so excited that I'm seeing that it's possible for people to have the same experience
as long as we have a good thing that they can hear me and that we have mutual availability
on time.
We got Zoom now.
You got Zoom video chat.
Zoom works amazing with this stuff.
Zoom is Skype.
But yeah, I mean, I remember the first time that someone was asking me to step out into
it.
And I was like, I know I could do personal sessions with people and I can put my hands on
the person and release energy and remove stuff.
And it's awesome.
There's a way you could do that.
So you want like a science perspective, I guess, and again, I'm not a scientist.
But you know, when you think about the concept that everything is energy, even down to
the miniscule atom, you know, we're 99.99% empty space is what the science teams
that's 99% consciousness of energy that is connected
by those other shallow electrons
that are communicating information by its neighboring atoms
that makes up majority wise word empty space.
So when you think about it,
we're transferring by thoughts through synchronicity
not only in this three-dimensional reality,
but multi-dimensionally sending signals by thought
because thought is energy or emotions are energy
and that's why if you were to do healings,
you can connect to somebody energetically
and quantum physics has proved us.
Yeah.
And so again, this has always been, I say, a higher truth,
but it's taken science a long time to catch up
to even be able to prove it.
So it really makes me question,
how much of the unknown is still yet to be defined
or answered or how much of our science
is that has been accepted, you know, might actually be false.
Yeah, there's no such thing as space and time.
So there's there's nothing that actually separates you.
So essentially all are there of space and time.
And so already with the person, yeah.
Yeah, so my clients have that validation
when they're in that out of body state.
And then they come back into body and they're like,
so surprised how long the session lasted, you know,
because they have a different sense of time where they go
because everything happens instantly is.
You think it and already is, you know what I mean?
There's no like, let me drive to my car,
let me go to the gym, let me go to something
where it takes in hours of time, yeah.
Yes.
And so that's our limited perspective in this reality,
but people-
That's just scary for a lot of people,
it's like, Alex, because you're in a state
where there's no time.
And you're like, oh, am I in purgatory?
Have I died?
There's no time, am I gonna be here forever?
So for those that are afraid of trying things that they, because again, where we all like to have control and unfortunately our control prevents experience in an openness sense, I find that the service gives people kind of like an ability to try and see what's out there or what's possible for them.
Without taking anything, taking some sort of hallucinogenic or psychedelic or whatever to
exactly, it's, and what's even cool about that, to then know is that we're all capable
of it.
Right?
Yeah.
And it's just a matter of us kind of creating this roadmap of then how to learn to maybe
access, being able to do that consciously and on purpose, which is usually reserved for
those that have dedicated their lives to being a master yogi or whatever that can master meditation.
And so I find this option to be a really quick way to branch you and bridge you to have that potential
experience without necessarily having to have lived your whole life, trying to do meditation,
to have that experience. However, like I said, there is certain requirements. You kind of have
to be open-minded. You can't come in with this, you know, um, rigidity to where I want to have
this cool experience, but I still don't believe it's true. And, you know, how it should be. Yeah,
so if I find that gets in people's way, and even though I've, the way I lead people into it is
trying to navigate, especially getting past the mind first, you know, let's quiet that down,
let's throw away your thoughts. Let's get that into a no space zone where you're in a no thinking
zone so you are and can be receptive but if you allow your control nature to try to still infiltrate
and sabotage it is possible that can sabotage the session and so I think that any guidance for
anybody that wants to explore follow up with me or maybe there's other practitioners that might
had a similar service, I would say being open-minded and being ready, you know, make sure
that you are ready for that experience and that you can't let go of some of that control
to allow whatever your experience is to prove to you what you need to know.
You know, it's not for me to tell you what to know or what not to know.
You know, that's my own journey.
You know, I'm the one that has to live with my own evolution, but you're the one taking
home with you, what you take home with you. And you live by what you live by and create your
reality by that. So yeah, being open-minded, I think is a prerequisite. Otherwise, it's like just
showing up through the door is an action, which is good, you know, but if you're kind of closed
off, I'm saying, you know, you're not going to get very far. Yeah, that's it, man. Nicole,
thank you so much for coming on the show. Thank you for hanging out with me.
One last time, if you want to plug your website and where people can check out your work,
I go ahead and do that.
Okay, so it's www.holistics.com, W-H-O-L-I-S-T-I-C-DASH, Vitality, V-I-T-A-L-I-T-Y, dot-com, check it out, check out
my videos of testimonial videos, other people's experiences because everybody's their own
testimonial.
I can tell you what you could potentially experience, but again, it's not, I don't think it's as
authentic as kind of hearing it firsthand from them. There's spirit word footage showing proof that
there is some beings that show up during people's sessions, you know, that we might not be able to
proceed with our naked eye, but does not mean that does not exist. Also on a side note, Derek,
I think I mentioned in the email, which I think would be cool if it's something you're interested in,
Maybe we do a follow-up where you actually explore a session and then we talk about what you got to connect you
Heck yeah, we'll do that. Definitely. I love it. Man. I love it. I need it and I'm like you
I enjoy going in those states whether I'm alone or with someone else or I'm doing work on somebody because I'm getting healed at the same time
It's it's it's this beautiful connection that goes both ways. I love it. So we definitely can do that. Yeah
Yeah, many last questions before we go or that's it for now. Thank you for coming on. We'll do it again soon, and we'll be
Yeah, let's try to schedule that soon, too
Yeah, yeah, you know
I'm my friend you have a good one. Thank you so much for hanging out. All right. Bye. Peace. Peace
Nicole Leanne ladies and gentlemen awesome person beautiful soul everybody in the chat room
little tea, says I listen here and remember so much.
Christy folks, this person is so blessed. This woman is so blessed.
Wow, awesome. See, and the whole thing, I try to like pick up where like different
people come from and it's like what I can do,
greater things you shall do as well. So it's not like come to me to get this, come to me to get that.
Obviously you're going to come to that person, you're going to have interactions,
interactions, but they're going to teach you how to maintain on your own. They're
going to teach you how to apply the same principles that we're sharing and that
we're talking about to your own life. So you don't have to keep coming to
someone looking for answers or keep coming to someone looking for prayer. Although
it's good and it works, but you won't be reliant upon somebody else's spiritual
journey. It's going to be all about your journey and different tools that you
can apply to yourself. That's why it's hard for me when I do personal one-on-one
sessions with people. It's hard to me to have like repeat clients because I try to like,
you know, take care of it all. And one session, if possible, I've never had like weekly
clients or whatever. So it's really cool to hear here how you're able to kind of
heal the healers, right? Teach people not just come for like a quick fix, but to show you something
that you can apply on your own. Obviously, like a lot of people need help going into those realms,
guided meditation, you know, having unclean spirits or entities or like family,
heritage stuff, you need to get off of you. But, you know, once that one sets off of you,
like the same experience you went through, you could do it yourself. Man, I can't tell you,
like, I know some, I had other friends who did it more than me. But when we went through these
deliverance sessions in the charges and stuff. I say they're in the
charges. It wasn't in the church. It was in a home meeting, but it was a
Christian thing, right? But some of my friends, they would go through it and
they would be confessing and like they were taught to cough. Like when spirits
come out, they would cough and it would gag a lot. So I had friends who would
be in prayer and they'd just start choking. And it was it was it was kind of
systematic. You got kind of weird. I can't lie to you, but they would be in
prayer and then it started gagging and coughing up. They called it hacking up
demons. It's pretty, it's pretty weird. I know, but, um, but if it worked for
them, right, if they got deliverance and it made them feel better, then I'm all
forward, hack it up, cough it away. You know what I'm saying? Um, it definitely is
dealing with breath and with the spirits. And I've, I've had some experiences
where the breath is involved.
But I mean, it was, it's been a,
it was really where when it would just be
hacking, coughing and choking.
Like, yo, hey bro, yeah, I'm just hacking up demons.
And it was like, okay, just, oh, that's it.
Okay, that's fine.
You cool, you cool.
You know what to do.
And they would do it all the time.
Very interesting.
I will say that it's awesome that
when we're talking, oh, yeah.
So little tea talks about the green mile.
That's what she's talking about in the chat.
Definitely with the grandma
That movie so so true as well. It's so it's so weird. Like I've been through those situations where I put my hand on
Someone and we're sitting in the room and I take the deep breath in and it comes out of them and into me and then I
Discharge it or cough it up or breathe it out and release it. I've had that I've had those experiences and they've been powerful
The first couple of times that that that's actually happened and it looks just like the green mile, which is funny that you bring that up.
It's awesome.
Christy says, yep, I've witnessed vomiting during prayer.
They were trying to pray her through the Holy Ghost. Yeah, I've seen that too.
Can we talk after the show?
You can hit me up.
Tonight, Thursday night, we're going to be doing the school of the mystics.
The mystics and so that's more of a candidate one on one thing with with the people. It's not it's not recorded
It's not film. So if you want to catch me tonight
I'll be available for that and that's for the patrons like I say even for like just sign up for a dollar or whatever you get access to that
So you could join me tonight. This kind of won't whenever we do the open sessions tonight
So join me for that. I will say that it's it's pretty cool as well that
that when you're going through the spiritual awakening, the synchronicities come and they
kind of confirm everything, you start seeing like God, the universe lining everything up
for you, the numbers, 333, 11, 11, and then the numbers are cool, don't get me wrong.
But when it moves past the numbers, enter phrases and it moves into people and it gets really
interesting, it gets really deep to where like you think that you're making it up or something
and it's so powerful that you'll say a phrase
and then that television's on in the other room
and it says the same words with you
or maybe right after you say it and you look at each other
people like, oh my God, did you just, I just said that?
And they just, all of these little things adding up,
what does it mean?
I know like David Wilcox says to pay attention
to the information that comes through.
I've tried to do that, but a lot of times
there's no information that comes through.
It's not like what you heard was profound.
There were a couple, but it's something for you.
And it's not gonna mean nothing to anyone else.
Cause I mean, they're not in your mind.
They don't know what you're expecting for,
what you're believing or what you're thinking.
I remember going to work really early one day
and it was very hot, humid, everybody was sweating.
And I drank all my water and there was a water fountain
the job but I knew that when you pushed the button on that water fountain the water came out
with a white milky color to it. It wasn't clear it was it was white the water was not solid white
but it was foggy water that came out and I was really thirsty and I was I was going up to
to get some drink I was like man I know I shouldn't I shouldn't drink that that that water
And, you know, because I don't know chemicals or what, but I was going to do it anyway.
So I said, I went down to the drink and the radio was on in the shop that I was working.
And there was a song by a silver chair on and it's like, right when I pushed it and went
down to the song, I don't drink the water, whatever you do, don't drink the water is
what the song said.
And I heard, I was like, you know what, I'm not going to drink this water, man.
Like so it's just little stuff like that if you explain that to people like that sounds pretty cool
But it's not it's not gonna be like life-changing for them for me. It's like oh wait what's going on and then when you start having this stuff
All throughout the day. It's when it gets very interesting if you just have it one time that's cool
But it starts happening all the time. There was a guy who it was in the church and he was into
to my work, he was into my music, he was checking me out,
was checking Dan O, Dan Oscar Pinsky out,
even Brandon Barthrop, he was big into that.
He found my work, we were going to a spiritual journey
at the flow tanks in New Orleans.
And so when we were headed there, he said,
hey, I want to meet you guys,
because you guys are going to be driving by my house.
It's okay, we're taking a road trip, we'll go meet them.
So he invites us into his home,
and we have a time of prayer we filmed it
we were documenting the whole journey. We filmed it, we have a time of prayer and just really
just deep discussion opening up our hearts to one another and he was just ecstatic to finally
meet us for us to be in his home and things like that. He was just blown away. I mean it was a good
experience, a good encounter. Well this guy was very well off he owned the business and I think he
He was like had some business partners and you know, he makes a lot of money and he ended
up telling his wife that we came over and she flipped out on them.
It was like, why did you let them in our house, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
He writes us and says, please don't release that footage.
You know, it could, my business deals, I got investors, please don't release that footage
of me hanging out with you guys. That kind of stuff. It was like, man, this was a really good
brother. Like he was really connected, man. We had, we shared good space with them. We got the
footage. It was part of our documentary. And he asked us not to release it. So it was like, okay,
we didn't release it. Well, uh, sometime later, I hadn't heard from him for some time after that.
And, uh, he was debating whether to call me because he's like, you know, true seekers of mystic,
truth seekers, this people say that truth seekers, that like whatever, you know,
everybody's got an opinion, not just of me and just the company I keep, you know, if obviously,
you know, in the same company with Brandon Barthrop or Dano, people got their own conclusions,
but anyway, this synchronicity for him was awesome because he's driving through
a little small town called Mandeville Louisiana, which is two and a half hours from me.
me. He's riding in his car and he's thinking about calling me. We say, no, I don't need
to call him. I shouldn't. He wants to call me, but he don't know if he should. And then
he's on my Facebook page. And he's scrolling at the red light and it looks up in front
of him. And there was a van in front of him with a true single bumper sticker on it.
And Mandeville, Louisiana, little small backwards hole in a wall town that many of you
You've never heard of and it said seek truth and it had my stickers and stuff and he's
that was sequinistic for him to go ahead and call me up and kind of fix our relationship
or whatever and to apologize and stuff.
So he was on my Facebook and looked up and he's seen my bumper sticker.
There's not a lot of cars where my bumper stickers on him, right?
I used to have a bunch of them.
I need some more.
But so anyway, he called me and we patched our relationship up and stuff.
So little things like that to pay attention to.
I think God speaks to everything.
God speaks through, if he could speak through a donkey
in the scriptures, he could speak through us.
He could speak through the television.
I just put up a clip where busy bone
from bone tugs and harmony on the interview
I did with him when he's talking about God
speaking to him through the television.
I was in that interview, he's all over the place,
but there's some other excerpts of him talking
about watching the TV and talking to God through the TV.
Just some deep, off the wall stuff, man,
that that's real.
Like God speaks to everything, our situations,
our circumstances, the thoughts in our mind, our fears.
If we're listening, he speaks to everything.
And that's the beautiful thing that you can't see God
in at all until you can see God in all.
And that's literally what it is.
So to say that a God is only using Christians
God is only using church people or God is only doing this or whatever, like, that's what
I used to think.
I mean, that's what I was like, she was saying what I was taught to think by the church
and, and, and from my own experiences and, and understand this, but when you see somebody
who's saying the same, like that lady was saying the same thing I've been talking about.
I heard experiences were like right on with mine and she didn't even come out of the church.
I could see if she was in church and she got out of it and then got into spirituality
and things. She has never even been into the church realm and in experiences are so similar.
That lets you know, man, something's up. Somebody's lying to us, man.
That's part of spirituality in your spiritual awakening, essentially giving up your right to be
right or feel like you own something or this is the only way, brother. You've left the path
and all that man, get out of here with that, man. Got no time for that. But that's part of waking up.
You have to go through these experiences to wake up and you see everybody as an extension of yourself because they really are.
Everyone is an extension of you and like I said, you got to see God in all or you can't see God at all.
Once you understand the body of Christ, you can understand, I mean, this is what my tattoo means, the flower of life that we're all connected.
connected. Everyone is an extension of you. And it's, it's the truth. So nobody's different.
And if we'd look at the when we bring in the Bible into the picture, we go to Acts chapter
10, which I love to talk about. It talks about calling no man unclean. That's that whole
thing where Peter seen the, the sheep come down, which was a, which was a tallit. I
feel you're watching our video. I have one here. This is the black one, which is because
I like black, but he seen it come down and it was by tradition lowered by the
fringes and it had pigs and all kinds of unclean animals in it that they
would never eat and God says the Peter and in the vision, take it and eat, eat
of this and he's got a pig just like, no way, I've never ate a pig. Like that's
I've never ate anything unclean. He's like, no, take it and eat. And so it's
funny that a lot of Christians like break that down and say, well, that was
See, he was just showing us that you can eat whatever you want.
But then at the end of that vision, he gets the interpretation and it says to call no man
unclean.
Don't think of yourself better than anybody.
The whole level of the playing field is even its level.
And the scripture says that God will deal with anybody as long as they will repent.
There's people who, man, I got people who, they're scared to talk to me, you know what
What I'm saying, they feel like we're on at different levels.
It's so funny that even in the church realm, there were so many people who, like, when
I left the church, they didn't want to talk to me because they knew that I knew the
Bible so well and they didn't want to debate me because they knew, like, I guess I would
handle them with the Scriptures and I would, let's just be honest, I would.
But they wouldn't come to me because of that, right?
And it just shows you that people aren't on these different levels and people don't want
to be uncomfortable.
They don't want to be challenged and so you're different.
You're this, you're that, you're a mystic.
And I say this and I know I sound like a broken record but I'm going to say it because
there's always new listeners, there's always new people listening.
Do not let anyone label you in generalize.
Don't never let these people do that to you especially because I'm telling you I have
to deal with the Christian stuff, I have to deal with the church stuff because so many
people listening to this show are people who are coming out of the church, people who
are coming out of religion and they feel isolated, they feel alone, they don't have
nobody to talk to.
I've been there, I've stuck my neck out there, this show was new and so well because
I've done that, it's 100% because I've been faithful to do that and I get the messages
in my inbox daily and it's working, what I'm doing is working and so I'm letting you
You know, church, people coming out of that don't feel isolated, don't feel alone when
your friends and your family try to disown you.
What did Jesus tell you though?
Didn't he tell you that that's what was going to happen?
That your friends and family were going to hate you from my namesake?
They're going to try to tell you that you left the faith or you left Jesus or whatever.
No, Christ is love.
If you have forsaken love, then yeah, you forsaken Jesus.
But if you're walking in the spirit of love, then don't let these people put any of
those type of labels on you or barriers and don't let them
generalize, don't let them say a true secret's a mystic.
But okay, I am a mystic, I like that word,
but what do you mean when you say that?
They say you're into mysticism.
What do you mean?
What is mysticism?
Like what are you talking about?
Am I into astrology?
Am I into that?
Okay, if we can break it down and be specific
about these things, then you can win them over
and you can prove what you believe.
You can't really prove a generalization.
Oh, you're a nastick.
Hold on, I've never, I don't agree,
I don't call myself a nastick.
There's so much of that that I don't agree with
and for a good reason, right?
And so don't let nobody just throw these names on you.
Make them break it down and improve why they are calling you
that whatever they have a contention with.
If you call me a mystic because I believe in UFOs,
okay, we can go to the descriptions on that.
I believe in astrology.
We can go to the Scriptures on that.
You believe in divination, I heard you,
you got tarot cards.
We can go to the Scriptures on that too.
It's all in there, it's all in there.
Maybe not by name.
Obviously the Bible doesn't use the word tarot cards.
You know what I'm saying?
The Bible doesn't use the term psychic abilities,
but guess what, tarot in there, it's in there.
It really is, and it's in there with a,
in a good light, in a good light.
And I understand, trust me, I get a phone calls
from some people who are concerned, some friends
who are still concerned.
But I am, the scripture says that you'll be judged
more harshly, those of you who are teachers.
And so I'm on a platform and I'm telling people
that it's okay to look into somebody's things, right?
It's okay to look into divination.
it's okay to look into astrology.
I say, I say use the Bible as a frame of reference,
use, that's what I do.
I can only tell you what I do, other than that,
whatever works for you, that's between you and God,
but for me to endorse something,
I use the Bible as a frame of reference,
and I'm gonna tell you what, there's a bunch of stuff
in them, scriptures that people don't even know exist.
There's stuff in there, the Bible is very clear
about astrology, the Bible is very clear
about divination and it's not what you've been told.
It's not all demonic, it's not all negative,
it's not, you won't be possessed.
It shares information about these subjects
in a good like 100%.
And I will take that up with my father.
And so there's a lot of people who listen to this.
They get mad that I now have a growing platform
and they don't agree with the stuff I'm sharing
and I will have to take it up with the father
But trust me, I take it to him in prayer.
I submit myself before God
and I trust him believe that what I'm doing is righteous.
And you all have to live by that same conviction too.
You know what I'm saying?
There's people who come and go out of your life
all the time and there's people who can only be there
just for certain seasons, man.
If it's time to let them go, I'm not saying
you have to let them go, but let them walk.
don't kick them out your life, but if they want to walk, let them walk. When the
time is right and the season is right, they'll come back. If they're, if they're
meant to come, you got to understand like, eventually you kind of be like me. If
you're just getting into this, eventually you'll represent something else. You
won't, you won't be Chris. You won't be low tea. You won't be Lane. You won't
be Nicole. You'll represent an idea. Right. It's not that they have a
Contention with you. It's about what you represent. And so they have a problem with that
Don't take it to heart don't get offended don't walk in the fence, but walking love and truth towards all people no matter what
They call you no matter what they believe in all of these things was in the scriptures talking about
You're gonna be hated for my name say you can all who live all who live right just Lee and Christ Jesus
South shall suffer persecution. But then you freak out when the persecution happens. We can't
be doing that. So understand that you're in a good place and if you're if you're receiving
persecution, if you're receiving judgment, hatred, abandonment, just know you're in good company,
you're not alone. You got a big army of people who are are here with you. You have a community,
you got people who love you. We believe in you. Even if you don't believe everything we're talking
about if some of the things we say you have contention with, the thing is like that's what Nicole
was talking about. We're not defined by that. My dogma doesn't define me. Even me, I have to come
out of dogma still. Like this is a daily thing, but when you're able to recognize it, then you're
able to move beyond it and kind of transcend it, not to let it harm you. You know what I'm saying?
not to let it hold you back or mess up friendships and things like that. You're dogma, you're
hang-ups. Once you're awake and man, once you've done the spiritual work, you're able to see
this stuff in your life because I mean, you have to see it in the light first and then next
the next time when something like that's coming up or creeping up or bitterness or resentment,
you can feel it and you can deal with it versus like we're talking about living 10, 20, 30,
40 years with resentment towards the pastor, resentment towards your grandmother or your mom
because they look down upon you, because you're different or they disown you, dude, they're
doing it.
Like I have really good friends who are being disowned by their families, like to the point
of tears and the point of heartache and it's the real deal.
This is a spiritual warfare.
So I put my neck out there for that.
Look, I love each and every one of you guys.
Stand strong.
If you need somebody to talk to a man.
I'm on social media, hit me up, look me up.
We do the school of the mystics tonight.
We're gonna be doing that.
So that's, like I said, that's candid conversation.
If you guys wanna talk about some deep stuff
and get into some community discussion
and meet other people who are part of the community,
make sure you guys take advantage of that.
But that Thursday night at 7 p.m. central
will be doing that.
The new album pre-order is up.
You guys can purchase that if you'd like to support my work
and do that.
All this stuff is at truceika.com.
There's links to everything there.
New album, I just put the pre-order up last night.
The album is almost done.
It's being mixed and mastered and waiting on two more
verses, but essentially the album is what it is.
And there's a sampler and all that stuff on the website as well.
So check it out and support my work.
If you find this podcast at all valuable, if you can do it,
I mean, there's ways to support know everybody.
You know what I'm saying?
I can't support financially.
There's other ways of just sharing the work,
sharing the music, sharing the information
that we're putting out.
So everything helps, man.
And I appreciate you guys.
Like, to the point where I'm moved, man,
I'm moved that you guys are resonating with the work
and you guys believe in me so much
that you support me financially on Patreon.
I know I have, you get music and all that stuff,
but I'm just still blown away
that you guys wanna see me succeed
and really are backing the message
because it's growing.
There's a lot of people listening to this show now.
I'm blessed, I'm elated.
I'm moved that you guys are resonated with it.
And it lets me know I'm not alone, right?
Because I was in those same shoes, man,
thinking that I was alone.
That was the only one.
Can you imagine, I'm having all these experiences
I'm seeing UFOs and going out in some of the ETs and stuff and for hours praying looking
into the sky, right?
I didn't have nobody to talk to, man.
Like I had to go online and find podcasts and there wasn't a lot at the time.
There was people doing it and you had your big shows, but there was people who played
a key role in me not losing my sanity.
Like I try to go to my friends and be like, hey man, I'm seeing UFO and they got kids
stuff and I'm telling them about me like, come on. This is insane. I know you guys are
going through the same thing. I'm reading some of the messages here about going out
and seeing the moving lights in the sky, right? You know? So this is what it's about, man.
Like I said, I love each and every one of you guys. Thank you for the support and send me
email. I know a lot of you guys are wanting to get get in contact with me. Send me an email and
I'll try to I'll try to write you back. Peace and blessings to each and everyone. God bless.
I tell you that you're the only one that's all I hear in mind
It's so much the world's in mind
It's so much the earth in mind
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