The Path of The Healer | Modern Day Shamanism | Aaron Fowler

The Path of The Healer | Modern Day Shamanism | Aaron Fowler
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here I recently did an interview and
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he said skip the intro he said I start
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and that's kind of what I do at the
intro of this show I've had a lot of
Christians on the show in the past man
and they've had to have to preface it
hey this guy he likes mushrooms he which
well you know saying they have to like
prepare their audience and still feel
okay with sharing the content out
because they want to get their site
across but then again I've had other
people who don't want they've done an
interview with me and we're supposed to
cross promo and they just refuse to
share it they're like no I can't do that
because what will happen the church
folks will cut your head off you know
I'm saying so it's always been with with
the Christians man it's like they have
to give a disclaimer when they share out
a podcast that we've done together now
I've been putting up with that for years
I kind of know the song and dance behind
that but um it's funny man but it is
rude so for the Christians listening my
intro is the disclaimer some people say
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it's up to you if you if you're sticking
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I've had different people on people I'm
really close with seven you know some of
his fanbase he's hit me up and had
heart-to-heart conversations with me
because we've done the interview but I
think a lot of people come on and do the
interviews and stuff without even
knowing who I am or what I'm
or what I stand for or maybe maybe
sometimes it's hard to kind of pinpoint
what I stand for because I stand for a
lot of different things and it's pretty
eclectic it's not really something
that's in a box you can't say okay he's
a Christian or okay he's a gnostic so
you go look up what's a gnostic and what
they believe it's not really that simple
I don't think it's that simple for any
of us I think we're a little bit of
everything just kind of brought together
there's things there's pieces of truths
within every religion every holy book
every sacred science man every teacher
has a piece of something I don't think
that there's one place that we can go to
and say that's what I am I'm a mystic I
mean there's things that we kind of lean
more towards because of the character
traits that go along with it and the
belief system systems and structures but
to pinpoint who we are and say that's it
in a nutshell and in a box I think
that's why you're here we all kind of
gravitate together and there's so many
people who are like-minded individuals
on the internet and we kind of find our
tribe like we say your vibe attracts
your tribe and we find people who look
like us talk like us act like us you
know I'm saying and we walk together for
encouragement and to see the fruit in
the life of these people and what
they're bringing to the table regardless
of your faith regardless of your
religious tradition and so that's what
we're gonna be talking about today with
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heart without further adieu my guest I
was on his show a couple weeks ago and
really good conversation with this
brother and sister as well so Aaron
Fowler welcome to the show my brother
how are you thank you I'm well doing
great good to have you here man good to
be here thanks for having me yeah we're
gonna talk about spirituality we're
gonna talk about your story shamanism
um you look like a shaman native I'm
actually not a Native American
I mean I'm Native American I was born in
America but yeah I'm confused for that
when I have short hair I'm confused for
Polynesians I'm actually uh my mom's
half black so that's why I get the color
from oh wow good stuff man
yeah you definitely you definitely look
look more native than I am and I am
native with a beard that's awesome yeah
man
spirituality your story bro you're a
shaman a healer you know I think maybe
you can talk about
what I just mentioned about the boxes
and saying okay this is the title this
is what I'm okay with you calling me
this is what I'm gonna operate under the
role of what does that mean to you man
as far as being a healer being a shaman
like what like what labels we accept
what labels we call ourselves of what
labels in terms we answer to man I hear
a lot about you know no labels we
shouldn't label things well you know if
there wasn't a label on poison you
wouldn't know it was poison you know so
the labels are important however I feel
like you know spiritually and just for
our own personal growth even if we're
atheists you know and we don't believe
in a certain and don't really have that
you know connection or feel that higher
source right I think it's mainly just
being open to everything being open to
being you know if you have a belief
system it should be challenged I feel
yeah you like to be a shaman or be a any
kind of spiritual you know teacher or
healer or you know practitioner I feel
like you need to be open at least the
how to do to new things to you know more
of a universalist more you know because
we have one planet here right but we
have all kinds of other planets and
there's many other beings other places
that believe in something different
possibly you know promote more than
likely and from what I've seen them
through my experience throughout my life
you know time was kind of just thrown
into it you know this was kind of a
destined thing as I look back on it so
yeah labels I think being able to kind
of if you if you belief systems
challenged look deeper within yourself
you know look deeper into whatever's
challenging your belief system usually
what happened happens nine times out of
ten is your belief system isn't being
torn down it's being added to you know
you're more in from your getting more
information to connect more dots to what
you believe what your faith is in the
first place yeah that's good man like I
got accused of that a lot coming out of
Christianity in the church and stuff I
said true think are you confusing people
you confusing people you know I got that
a lot but at the end of the day like
there's a scripture that says God is not
the author of confusion so people will
take that's a
I'm confused this is enough god but I
liked it I like to look at it and say
that confusion is a really good thing
because until you find yourself in a
state of confusion you're not gonna ask
the answer the questions to get the
answers you're okay with whatever they
told me is true so you're okay with
whatever goes but when you're in a state
of confusion that's when you start
digging that's when you start reading
that's when you start using Google to
look up beliefs and references and and
improving what you believe and so I I'm
with you I think that that that we need
to break down our belief systems and
prove why we believe something I love to
play you know I'm saying the devil's
advocate you know I'm say in a good way
and say look why do you believe that
almost trolling yourself man you know
I'm saying you have to be able to to to
break this stuff down and to explain it
and hope that it has some type of
practicality to it that it's practical
that we can apply it to our lives and
and help other people around us with
other than that it's just theories and I
think that theories and truths are two
different things so we you know the
scripture says to examine yourself to
see if you're in the faith examine
yourself to make sure that you're
walking what you're talking you're going
out here telling these people this and
doing that but you're not doing it
yourself examine yourself so I think
that question in our beliefs are having
other people questioning them but
they're still even for me man like I
wish I was past it I get I still get
that weird feeling when people lash out
you know what I'm saying you get those
hundred beautiful comments from people
and then another comments all your fake
blah blah blah you diss or that you that
and when that they challenge you or
ridicule you or whatever that one
negative comment we've heard people talk
about this time and time again that one
negative comment or that one challenge
it still makes you feel a certain type
of way there's a lot of people who stay
away from the public or the YouTube
comments because of that right and I
feel you know there's sometimes I have
to delete comments but oh yeah that's
they're just plain nasty you know and
they're you know they're just coming
from a place that's not even yeah
there's no lot
that's just brick basically you're
spitting something at me that you have a
problem with it has nothing to do with
me right but I may have triggered you
and something I said good what I
triggered you because that makes you
think about things and if whether you
agree with me or now it sparks something
inside of you just like art does you
know we're both artists and we know
that's what we want to do that's that
that dichotomy of push and pull good and
bad that is necessary I feel you know I
think I think it's the best some of the
best stuff I've created has been kind of
part that dark in that light so I think
is being more open to being you know
open to the dark and be understanding it
better because it's not all evil yeah
just and that and I think right now
especially with all the stuff going on
the religious you know people that are
more religious and really one way one
sided about things which it's kind of
funny because you can't be really
one-sided about the Bible because it's
got multiple meanings right and I see a
lot of it coming you know especially
from the Christians and that's probably
because we live in America and that's
you know the prevalent really religion
but I do see that I see it more as I as
I watch people and what they say it's
more about their fear you know it's more
I feel like I said more about it's
coming from a fearful place well that's
also what you're getting to that point
where you're kind of starting to judge
others you argue are raising up but you
got to burst through that threshold
right you got to get through that to a
place of I don't want to say non
judgment because we have to make
judgments in their life every day so but
just in a place where you can you can be
with everybody and allow them to have
their belief if they're not hurting
others and they're happy with it you
know you're you're not nobody gets to
say my way is the right way they can say
it but they you know it's not ever gonna
yeah I know right that's the whole thing
that's the whole platform that
Christianity stands on is that we are
the only way all other ways are alive
there
shame their farce and and you and you
come to find out that that's not true
like okay there is some things in there
that I believe are the only way I think
that you know talk about Jesus we talk
about love man love made manifest or the
scripture says God is love I really
think that's the only way like I really
do I think that love made manifest and
all of us being loved or being like
Christ and that Christ consciousness
that's the only way it really is so I
will go with that but as far as like my
doctrines my belief system this is the
way this is the only truth and all that
kind of stuff that's all up for a debate
for each particular person and how it
applies to them how they understand it
how they grasp it and it's been so
watered down and changed over the years
man that what we have in America
resembles nothing like looks nothing
like biblical Christianity at all you
know I ask people sometimes you know if
Jesus were to return would you recognize
him but would you shoot him away and
ignore him yeah because that's what you
like and a lot of times I feel like you
know Jesus was coming from a place of
you know he didn't have a home he was
welcomed into other zones right yeah I
mean when he just did his pilgrimage and
started walking and doing his thing
right yeah that's I feel like a lot you
know that's that where that judgment can
get you that old uber judgment of or
over judgment of hey you're not you know
you're not aligning with me
so you're bad you know or you're not
you're not right now now Jesus yeah from
what up for my understanding Jesus was
loved Jesus preached love he talked love
he talked about you know being an
additional but he also stood up for
things that were right yeah you know and
and he was a fighter in many ways and I
don't completely believe from the stuff
that I've looked into that Jesus was
like you know didn't ever try one on or
didn't ever have you not really know
because yeah you know yeah that's the
higher vibration you're having fun
joking around messing with each other
being irreverent sometimes yeah you know
and and I feel like in my heart that's
that's my you know Jesus to me is
I believe he lived yes but more of an
archetype and somebody to look up to as
far as you know more of an inspiration
and somebody that I can that I can try
to model my life after but I feel like
there's others in many other religions
that have similar you know I can model
my life after them too I can take a
little piece from here yeah I can take a
mirror and I just keep learning you know
and I hopefully never stop learning
right I mean if you if you're learning
from all the masters if you're learning
from all the awesome people who's been
in your life and had something to offer
or contribute or even all the mess ups
you know we always like to learn from
the good in people like man he's doing
this you know me and you we're going
back and forth like hey what's working
for you yeah I got this YouTube plug-in
or Facebook plug-in it helps you share
you know and didn't you like you're
adding all this stuff you're you know
what's working but you can look at other
people's stuff and see what's not
working okay this dude keeps doing this
it's not working don't do that he's good
he's doing this he's not reaching
anybody nobody airs whatever the case
says that's on you know the level of
what we're doing it works across the
board on every level so when we bring it
into our lives we look at spiritual
principles we look I mean I really
believe that's alchemy I really believe
it's learning from all the things that
you've been through but we have to
transcend that we could just if that's
the expression we're just gonna be
focused on ourselves we have to be able
to look at other people because everyone
is an extension of ourselves so we'd be
able to look at other people's lives to
see where they're messing up and use it
as an example don't do that don't go
down that path man don't go down that
road and learning from everyone and
everything I wanted to okay you so you
mentioned if Jesus came back would we
recognize him you know what I'm saying
there's a lot of people and in in other
different denominations you know white
people man if Jesus came back and he was
a black man they would be appalled like
they wouldn't recognize him right they
probably wouldn't accept was okay okay
he was black okay whatever and accept
him I can
if you would just I don't know that's
not my Savior not a black man you know
what I'm saying that the very person
that I don't like or vice versa I know
every Israelites people black guys who
hate white people's but get it you know
break it down but there was a video and
I've heard this as a story for it for
years but there I just finally seen a
video yesterday of this pastor I think
it was in Nigeria or something and he's
wears like three-piece suits and Armani
and all these like it's really weird to
be like in a third world country and
wearing all of these things and driving
Rolls Royce when everybody's riding
donkeys and stuff still you know I'm
saying but uh anyway he's a pastor and
he went to his church but he dressed up
like a homeless man he just said like a
beggar had a thing on his head he's
laying outside with a sign at the church
and nobody helped on nobody gave him any
money nothing to eat nothing to drink or
even talk to him they just walk past
them and went to their service and so
the pastor dressed as the homeless man
goes into the church and tries to make
his way up to the pulpit and they all
grabbing him fighting him and wrestling
him back and stuff and finally he gets
up there and grabs the mic and then they
hear a familiar voice their pastor
talking to him looking like a homeless
man and and he kind of rebuked him and
said you know if I came in a three-piece
suit and looking like I always dude you
guys would have accepted me I come in
here looking like a homeless person and
you guys you know I'm saying turn your
back to me I've been a part of churches
and ministries and stuff in the past
that catered to homeless people like
they went out because they knew homeless
people were hungry
like literally hungry but hungry for
truth hungry for something some
substance man you know and and and they
cater to homeless people and when
homeless people would go in other
churches like really nice top dollar
churches they'd shoo them away or
sometimes they would say hey go to that
church on the corner that other little
hole-in-the-wall Church they'll take you
in because they knew that they the
church I was involved with at the time
cared about the homeless you know and
these other churches would kick them out
and say find this other church down the
road it's probably better for you go to
go there it's like crazy man you know
I agree maybe we wouldn't recognize them
you know yeah I feel like that's the
thing I feel like right it's gotten so
far or gotten so been around so long
right organized religion that yeah
people are using it for and that's okay
I feel like if they get you know
donations for what they're doing I feel
like that they should but yeah Armani
suits driving around in Mercedes Benz
you know 2018-2019 this you see his
model try to look you know for lack of a
better term and standing old trying to
look I'll fly you know that's that's I
feel like that is just kind of a that's
the word is basically is kind of asked
for me to me yeah materialism and
consumerism him yeah and but I think
there are a lot of churches out there
that do you really look out for people
that need it yeah and there's a lot of
churches out there that go and get the
needy so they can bring him into their
church and gain followers so you know
it's like I feel like it's you can kind
of look at each individual situation
different you know that's that's being
open you know you can't just be against
Muslims because you know a effective
Muslims went off and did something crazy
you know and you can't be against other
penis X or you know on religion or
basically racist any of that stuff you
know be open to it all I mean I get in
the state I live in it's predominantly
white and this is nothing against white
people
I'm 3/4 light so I can say it now and
it's a second anyway uh you know I'm
around a lot of people that it's they're
not used to you know there's like one
one or two black people in the city or
while here at end of town and I mean
there's probably more than that but yes
differently you know they don't they're
either pretend like you're not there or
kind of walk farther away yeah that was
my demonstration yesterday and my sister
used to bring this up all the time she's
like how come every time I go to Walmart
there's always common security check on
the aisle that I'm in you know I mean
yesterday I'm
give me gas station just looking for you
know someone cheese this woman comes
right up to me I mean she'd like right
in our space you know thinking I'm gonna
steal from her I'm like I come here
every day pretty much
I don't ever steal from you but it's
just that uneasy and it comes from fear
comes from fear and insecurity and
that's it's always has throughout our
lives we bought we both dealt with it
even you know I'm white people to deal
with the cue from the other side you
know yeah mothers yeah and that's I
think that's one of our biggest problems
we can't learn to come together and
accept each other for who they are and
not judge them you know on their clear
of their skin trails they still with
this at this day and age we're still
like it's still there you know I don't
know what I went with that but digress
no no it's it's good man because like
out of all the spiritual I want to get
into some deep stuff with you
experiences and stuff like that
but all of that really to me doesn't
mean anything if this conversation
doesn't happen first like this is the
practical side of trying to be a good
person you know I'm saying of walking in
white magic and alchemy and doing good
unto others and not doing it for selfish
gain man and to be a good person like I
don't want I don't care what you have to
say if you're not doing these things
we're talking about or if you're racist
or if you're this you're that you're
prejudiced you can you can tell you
don't somebody doesn't have to come out
and say it like if you're hanging around
somebody for a certain period of time
you're going to partake of the fruit of
their labor of who they really are it's
gonna come out you know and so it comes
out more than just on a podcast or
snippets you get that you get to know
that person you know hey Aaron do me a
favor your audio kind of got low leave
right quick and come right back
reconnect and hopefully that'll pick it
up yeah and everybody listening
everybody watching if you guys haven't
seen the little documentary that I did
called um well it was
Prasanna
the documentary persona that I did make
sure y'all go check that out I'm gonna
ask Aaron about it here in a second
because he he commented on it and
talking about triggering there was some
some some things that that was in there
that uh maybe were designed to trigger
but it was just some information that
was coming to me that I felt led to put
out in there and definitely planted up
the devil's advocate when it comes to
channeling you know channeling spirits
it really there was some things that
came to me just within the research but
going to the root of a lot of that stuff
and seeing where it came from
you know I covered the word
ventriloquist and like that's what the
word familiar spirits comes from under
the the the word Python which was what
the Greeks would call themselves print
ventriloquist when they would let
spirits inhabit their body so I put a
lot of that stuff in the little
documentary that I did but I already
knew that it was going to rub some
people the wrong way I was on up on a
pot on a psychic or channeling show
Aaron better yeah yeah um yeah talking I
was talking about that a little
documentary that I put out you did you
got a chance to watch that right the
persona okay
well talking about people being
triggered and and having like when you
bring up information that's contrary to
what they believe right or cognitive
dissidence you know playing the devil's
advocate and it's not to to a it's not
to attack it but there were some things
that I addressed in that little videos
like a 20 minute video about channeling
you know in going back to some of the
things like what if the the stuff you're
channeling is already within you in the
the entity the angel that I'm channeling
is
almost like a scapegoat to really say
yes to really say what I what I want to
say yeah well and that's that's the
thing that's the trust you have to have
you know I mean I feel like even some of
the people that are faking it and I know
this from I think a lot of it you know
week we are to some extent puppets on
our own strings yeah I think so yeah
some of that stuff comes out if you're
doing things in the wrong if you're
blaming others or you know this is who
said and yes you can use that
yeah well the demons made me do it right
yeah crazy right cuz I'm like yes there
are lower level entities they can mess
with you but let's not blame everything
for that it's kinda like we do in this
world like right well he's got a didi
well she's got you know this this
disorder you know instead of you know
saying hey maybe they just need to be
disciplined and put in the corner for a
minute and timeout right so they wake up
a little bit and that's that's how I
feel about it it's this yes there are I
mean I channel I do yes it's not as much
channeling as it is kind of talking to
my own super consciousness right or the
super consciousness we all its use its
utilizing the Christ consciousness in a
way that I can gain information from say
your Higher Self and you know basically
validation is what it is and a lot of
times now and it is a big responsibility
you know you can basically you can and
I've seen people do it you you know this
is you know I'm channeling this person
and then you know I'm come on you know I
saw this one and a guy's voice was
coming up I don't like see that's what
happens you screw things up for people
that are really doing doing something
and trying to do something good and
you're trying to just you know you're
faking it and you're not faking it very
well you know somebody sent me a video
of this and I'm like no that is not real
that's the guy's voice she's like dubbed
it over you could see or like lip sync
right yeah but yeah I said you can use
spirits as a scapegoat that was a good
good discussion if you believe it it
becomes real to you
I know what I'm saying even if the
people faking it maybe in their mind
they're trying to really do it like I've
got a friend and he watches this and he
believes that he communes with the
Joker's cards from the Insane Clown
Posse that the Wraith of shangri-la and
the great Malenko are all
personifications that have come to him
in the middle of the night to talk to
him you know what I'm saying in his
experience and in his mind I don't
believe it I don't believe that happened
but in his mind it happened and he
believes it you know what I'm saying
he's gonna live his life accordingly and
the same way God there's there's kids
out there like young people who were
trying to get into channeling and
they're like nonchalantly like oh yeah
uh hung out with Anubis last night yeah
the nubes hyung guy he came in my room
and me and Anubis you know he gave me
information about the secrets of the
university like some of its like how do
you know it gets kind of iffy and but
that is really if how do I explain this
okay so in the higher dimensions right
in the other dimensions other than the
human dimension which they're all
connected at least some way I'm seeing
it I'm not gonna give it a name I don't
want like giving it the fourth and fifth
cuz I don't know exactly right but the
higher dimensions our imagination
creates reality so have you ever seen
that movie what dreams may come with
Robin Williams oh yeah yeah yeah
so like that so that that creates that
reality but there is part of that that
is destined I feel my opinion and what
I've seen part of that is destined so
that's what I'm picking up and what I'm
getting is I'm getting the destined part
prop and here's the best course of
action now I'm not gonna get it
completely right you know I'm not but I
will say I do give it get it mostly
right Jeremiah and I have a you know I
have a history and I have some backing
from from people that I've taught to are
people that will testify you know that
this you know this is real I mean I
sometimes need it too you know I'll say
I'll be like you know
I don't know if I'm doing too well right
now and then I'll get somebody say hey
you said this on this time this date you
know within a couple of days and it
happened pretty much almost exactly as
you you know or as you said so basically
what I'm saying is yes we do create part
of what we're saying and what we're
thinking that's where it kind of gets
that gets dicey because yes you can take
it another way but you know if you're
faking and if you're not if you're
letting it flow it's like when you write
a song or you better if you've ever been
able to just it comes out you the same
thing as channeling you're channeling
that music as well you know and
everybody does it whether whatever
profession they're doing it in I'm just
doing it in the way I'm doing it to help
others yeah
and yes help myself as well but I'm not
you know I'm not driving around yeah
it's just weird to think about where it
comes from to play the devil's advocate
we have to eat like we said the
beginning like we have to question our
beliefs and say what the hell am i doing
am I really getting messages from the
arcturians are they on another planet
are they in a ship you know I'm saying
and I believe in it though you know I'm
saying I believe in that stuff but
there's a there's people who have a lot
more I think my belief in my I think my
experiences have made me a skeptic man
because I've had so many encounters dude
and I've been in the spirit realm enough
done the rituals and I've had in kind of
had visitations bro you know and I seen
it still so slippery I can't pinpoint
and say they're these angels or they're
obviously angels and demons those are
archetypes essentially as well I mean
but to say like this is what it is and
this is who's coming even with the Jesus
thing you know I'm saying I opened up on
Philip J Watts podcast and said look
like the whole Jesus thing at the end of
the day it works man like it's working
for people right like but we don't know
that Jesus exists
like we can't prove that he did now
there's theories ourself at that but
what we know but but we know that that
archetype of like the scapegoat
archetype works of being able to be
forgiven of all your wrongdoings and
being liberated and set free and getting
a clean slate pushing the reset button I
mean what it what are psilocybin
mushrooms what out what is ayahuasca
it's a reset button to clean the slate
and religion when you confess your sins
to God and you get it off of you it's a
reset button you know I'm saying so it's
something that works we can't put our
finger on it about the doctrines and who
was right and what color was he and all
of this stuff is debatable and up in the
air but we know that there is what we
would say fruit from it or there's
something from it that's working and
helping people you know what I'm saying
let me ask whilst it's a flow it's a
flow of energy we're all in that flow of
energy were part of it and it flows
differently minute by minute second by
second year by year you know and it's
all a cycle it's cycles we go through
and yes all these what I was trying to
say earlier and I got somewhere else was
yeah what we create like basically if he
believes in those Joker cards and he
connects to assert he's connecting to a
certain spirit or connected you know to
a certain entity that's his key
that's his you know that's his way to
get in touch or to feel more connected
and that's good but yeah there are
people out there that you know you start
seeing them put on the whole show and
that's okay just come at me and let me
know that they're you know it's it's
partly theater right and being live I
mean really being live and doing doing
shows like this you know you have to you
know you want to be have that online
presence you want to have that that
on-camera presence you know I think it
helps and it relates to people but yeah
I feel like everybody's everybody's
allowed to feel how they want to feel
but what are you doing to others or how
are you affecting others by what you're
doing right if you're just holding on to
one thing like the octo ian's and that's
your stick okay you know but I think
it's really just come down to we are
connecting to more than just Jesus and
more than just Buddha and more that you
know but these these guys I feel were
connecting to those higher sources as
well yeah exactly man um so I labeled
this show you know shamanism modern-day
shamanism and so people want to know
because there's people who have no idea
what it is what is shamanism and what
does it mean to you the word shamanism
well to me shamanism means you know
using a utilizing that flow being aware
of that flow of energy and not really
manipulating it but kind of
understanding where it's going that's
like I throw my goal out right these
goals that I wanted that I want to do
throw them out there
write them down that's basically putting
them out into the ether that's asking
right so then that flow start you're
gonna move in that it's gonna move in
that way but here again if you're not
open to new things or challenged belief
systems or learning new things that
you've never learned before you're not
gonna flow
you're not gonna flow in that direction
probably as fast you're gonna be kind of
stuck so I feel like being a shaman is
basically yeah it isn't that magic in a
sense that you want to call it just kind
of that that's the word basically
manifestation and using it for healing
use it using that energy for healing you
know and I use the Internet I used to
being online I use technology it's and
that's why I'm not I'm not that you know
every day the average shaman that we
know which grew up in a tribe or was
trained for years you know I mean my
training pretty much game for my life
and studying and I did a lot of study on
shamanism but that's not the type of
shaman I am you know I'm basically able
to integrate my psychic awareness and
abilities with the shamanism and that's
basically what I'm doing it's I'm using
it with the spoken word to help heal
others and with energy you know a long
distance energy healings
that's basically and being open to to
you know a lot of the spirit walks as
well I think those are just as important
for shamans to be able to to walk
through you know the cosmos or wherever
we want to go and be able to experience
new things to bring that back to more of
a mass you know form other people you
know most people wouldn't dare go or
we're talking about modern-day shamanism
as well because it's we're you know I
think I think everything's morphing
everything's changing everything's
combining we're creating new things as
they're combining we have the internet
we have we have the the ancient path
mixed with some modern-day technology
and if you're trying to just go one or
the other I think it's it's unbalanced
especially with shamanism our spiritual
healing I think it's a I think it's a
balance of it all of looking at the
ancient path of the the earth you know
I'm seeing to be tied in on the internet
but we had some time we got to unplug
and we had to go out man we got a we got
to get an ocean you know I'm saying we
got to put our feet on the on the ground
and uh and balance it out so I think
with like being a modern shaman man is
to really return to the ancient path
path and bring it into the now right I
think that even like with shamanism were
able to go into the spirit realm travel
the ethers and pull things out whether
it's a dream whether it's a career
whether it's healing whether it's like
you're saying getting information about
someone that can help someone you join
in with them energetically and going
into that hypnotic state and there's
many ways to get there but be able to
bring it bring out that energy and and
you know to help help in better humanity
right if you use it for life if you're
if you're doing white magic essentially
which i think is the way i think jesus
was a white magician if you want to call
it that someone's use uses his abilities
to the betterment of mankind and to help
people so as far as like spiritual
encounters man I want to I love to talk
about that and see what other people
have seen so let me ask you this so what
kind of got you
into what you're into now as far as
shamanism healing spirituality I know
you've you've had to have experienced
some dark stuff I think most people who
are well-rounded have been through a lot
of crazy stuff you know in the end in
their childhood what was the earliest
memories man do you have any childhood
experiences of anything supernatural or
demonic or paranormal anything like that
I think that those encounters when were
young play into our lives of put
pointing us in the direction of what
like when we're doing this type of work
you know right yeah I used to have
really really vivid dreams lucid dreams
and I used to have a dream I used to
dream that I'd wake up and I'd be in the
middle of the street my neighborhood
right and I had this dream over and over
again and I'd go to my house and my
neighbors were living there so I had
like spent all this time now that's kind
of my first knowing lucid dreams and
connecting that right yeah came really
easy to me then I mean I was like four
three or four so I had to spend all my
time looking for my family right what's
kind of a nightmare but I remember the
colors being really vivid I remember all
these things just coming and really kind
of like being on mushrooms right yeah
some I always gonna have that vision of
things and I knew I always have that
feeling that there was something else or
that I came from something else but I
also had yes I have like a Raggedy Andy
kind of it's like a guy like John Wayne
Gacy looking dude and he used to chase
me like for like a year in my dreams I
don't like pee I've had others another
demonic presence or entities that I've
dealt with I've seen Archangel Gabriel
before and that was the only one that
really materialized
in human and in the third dimension or
this you know okay that was pretty good
it was very faint but it was enough for
me to see it yeah but yeah I've had a
lot of experience seeing a lot of
different things I've even seen some of
the Norse gods I've seen
through that you know astral projection
and things like that I've seen a lot of
the things that I can't make sense of
yet yeah I know right that's the thing
we're talking trying to figure it out
what's going it's been kind of if it's
from a young age I had this ability and
we all do and I will say that you know
pretty much every every show I do and
every read you know open read I do but I
was thrown into it in my 20s because I
lost my job this was like right around
the time when things started to go to
crap as far as you know I was in
construction and then that just fell off
completely so I ended up not having a
job and half you know pay my bills still
so my mother she was a she's a tarot
reader she sent me this site online and
she signed me up without my knowledge
and said alright you're gonna start
getting calls so here's your tarot cards
and you know and I started doing it that
way and I was able to I didn't know the
tarot cards at the time but I was able
to see the tarot cards yeah and we story
that it told me that's how yeah that's
pretty much what I do reading and that's
what's been looked at the meanings my
mom gave me a little cheat sheet to look
at like certain little meanings if I
didn't have a problem with it you know
if I couldn't remember but it was pretty
much the meanings and what I was seeing
they correlated you know and that's
another thing you have validated me hey
I'm connecting here right but yeah
that's that's kind of how I I guess I
got thrown into it more than anything
else what's up so as far as like
anything physically manifesting he said
all the time you was was the the angelic
presence you seen hate white kind of
toga looking thing yeah
Gold Reef blond curly blond hair and
eyes were like glowing like shooting
like LED lights out of it and that's the
best that's what I said on it kind of
startled me at first because I was home
alone and I was
it was nighttime I just got done doing a
bunch of readings and I actually asked
for it yeah I asked for for whatever
presence was helping me at the time to
show me show itself and yeah it to me it
appeared I mean I I can't prove that it
was Gabriel but that's what I saw
yeah yeah that's what I felt that's who
I felt it was that's what's up man yeah
there's something about it about asking
I think that uh I think man I think
asking as far as wanting to have an
encounter like I've had a lot of UFO and
angelic encounters and most of the time
is because I asked and I went out and
stargates and you know made myself
available to that I think that whatever
we're looking for a man just like you
know maybe just like my friend who's
talking to the jokerz cards man maybe if
it became real I think that I do know
the way the universe is designed that
whatever we're looking for we're gonna
find it and maybe it all exists these
different realities and dimensions that
are here maybe if we believe them they
exist here but maybe we can be the
shaman and pull it into this experience
maybe if somebody's sick we go into the
dimension where they're made whole and
we pull that person in and we you know
send that energy forth man you know what
I'm saying
because if you believe in fairies or and
you give yourself enough time to want
wanting to see fairies guess what you
can see fairies you can learn how to do
it if you're wanting to learn Illuminati
symbolism and find it in the media and
find it on television and find it in
your governments state buildings
everywhere you go you're gonna see it
you looking for 333 experience
synchronicities you're gonna find them
and whatever you're looking for your
consciousness shifts and you bring it
out and that's what you find and that's
the way the universe is man so like
having those encounters wanting them do
you want to see a UFO do you want to see
a Hale Ian do you want to see encounter
you want to meet the devil like whatever
like the evil
good whatever you can imagine you can
create it and and and in creating it and
then maybe the alchemical process of
bringing it into the reality man because
we all have that I think we all had
those dreams within us that we've had
even since we were little kids I mean
what I'm doing right now is a part of my
dream and I created this and it's
awesome you know what I'm saying but I
had I had to do spiritual work to create
it to see the vision and then what I
could do practically to go in and have
these things that I can do to make this
manifest and there's practical things
that we can do there's things that we do
by just keeping it in our memory or keep
reminding ourselves of it we just go
into an astral session one time or
something and have a vision of what we
want to do but then we forget about it
you know in the scriptures there's all
these like guides are like write it down
make it plain tie it around your neck
do you always be reminded when you see
it draw a picture you know every time
you see it like the symbols in our lives
the crosses we hang on our walls we look
at the cross what does it do it reminds
me of the word Christ done for me we
have all of these things that remind us
of what we want to do in who we are
whether it's sacred geometry or symbols
or whatever but that act of going in
there and creating it and bringing it
out have you had any encounters with
that I know you do that as a shaman so
I'm sure you have but well what like
went when did it become real though like
for to what you're doing and you're
manifesting it and it's like man this is
there's something to this you know
because part of it isn't
I'm manifesting it part of it is me
getting myself in the right proper place
and frequency I feel to see it mm-hm
just like I feel like those UFOs are not
something we created but what we did is
we got ourselves in tune wait yeah see
that that fourth dimension because I do
believe I do believe in some most
aspects that that's that's where they're
at they're travelling in that fourth
dimension but we're able to see that we
live in the fourth of May to put the
numbers on
and we see an experience on the third
dimension but we're actually up in the
fourth dimension or whatever that hi
we're in a higher dimension that we're
actually seeing most of but if we can
tune ourselves into that high of those
higher realms yes as soon as we start
seeing things like elementals were
fairies or UFOs it's really like I said
I can't explain all of it I can't tell
you I mean it's a lot of it confuses me
and I'm still learning it but that's
what I've kind of come to is you know
this physical experience I mean there
was a time when I was really really down
and there was a shooting star so close
his little coincidences all your life
right over and over again yeah I've seen
city that happened there was a shooting
star - almost meant like feel like it
was for me
for me to see now that any others may
have seen it and you know got different
feelings from it been affected from it
but it would mean things like that you
know spirits messing with me and we were
in a house we lived in a house was like
140 years old oh my gosh and the front
light would turn on and off all the time
like somebody was coming into the porch
dude I mean just these kind of things
and but you have to be more in tune with
it some people are not there so trying
so hard and they don't just let it go
and tune in because when you're real
rigid about it like we've talked about
at the beginning if you're not able to
kind of step outside of your box a lot
of the times you're not gonna see ya no
you're not you're gonna it's it's gonna
be there but you'll you know you'll
you'll completely let it pass you by
it's like chemtrails I mean how many
people you still see that don't even pay
attention to those yeah you know
geoengineering is things like that you
know pay attention look up every once in
a while you know and that's by tuning in
you don't have to do anything special
other than just ask for it um yeah
somebody is somebody saying here in the
chat this is binary watcher not out to
him he says you never see a certain type
of car until you buy that one and then
they're everywhere you consciously aware
now you now you see them everywhere
you're looking for them and it's about
shifting your consciousness man and
and being doing it in a in a healthy way
looking for the good and all like I got
friends who just look for the bad and
everybody and everything all this they
just complaining complaining the
complaining and I think I was there when
in religion somewhat you know and trying
to become bad of and you're wrong I'm
right ideal and then now my
consciousness has shifted there I look
for the good and everything even though
the bad is there let's you know it's
just just seeing the good doesn't mean
the bad it's not there but it's like
finding what we can work with like we
can work with the good and and and help
you find ways that the good can overcome
the bad you know I'm saying focus on
your qualities and stuff and see the you
know see the the the potential in
someone especially when we're really
walking in shamanism or like Jesus
essentially you see the good in people
that they don't see in themselves and
you have that I that trained I see that
not everybody can see that and uh and be
able to work with people and call people
out of depression I mean there's a story
in the Bible where I think it's Elijah
looking at the valley of dry bones and
there's two people looking at up at out
of Valley with a bunch of dead soldiers
on it man and God asked him what are you
seeing just like I just see a valley of
dry bones there's no I see an army and
we can speak to these dry bones that
they'll come up and they'll live again
and and that's a picture of us man we've
been we've all been in a place where
we've been broken some people still may
be there but we can speak to them we can
speak to their spirit and and and ignite
that light that's within them that they
can live again man you know what I'm
saying and and just encourage them that
their goals and dreams and visions
aren't done away with like you can walk
in them you can manifest it and and just
speaking hope into people's lives man is
really what it comes down to and that's
the most spiritual thing I think we can
do man when it you know I I'm n turned
it into little documentary but and I'll
talk about all time but we talk about
spirits and elementals and demons and
all of the bad stuff or whatever but
that stuff is is is thought-forms man
and ideas that
artful your greater good and you they
come into your life and you believe it
whether it's depression whether it's
being overweight or however it gets in
and gets a hold you start telling
yourself and you align with what this
idea about yourself is you start to
believe it you start to speak it you
start to tell others and it becomes your
identity it's a false identity but those
spirits and demons and all that it's
it's strongholds thoughts in the mind
and just through confidence spiritual
conversation to be able to have to have
a positive conversation with somebody
you have the ability to encourage
someone and pull them out of that place
of confusion that place of darkness or
whatever you know what I'm saying and
that's the but that's the power the
spiritual power just even behind our
words man in conversation because that's
that's something I did want to touch on
is shamanism then I also representative
you know I feel like going into that
darkness to help pull people out now of
course they've they've got to do their
part yeah you know I can do is help you
out but you actually have to lift
yourself up a little bit first and grab
by hand right so to speak and I think
that's a lot of what I do
Allah I talked to a lot of people with
that depression and that really is it's
like being down on themselves and I'll
be able to kind of flow through
something or flow with something and
talk to somebody and and change that
that attitude and you know in a lot in
most case it's not in all cases there's
some that are very pessimistic and just
negative and they want to stay and live
in that in that hell right but I think
it is important that we don't feed our
demons I think it's important that we
don't breed them to get bigger right if
we've got a demon of you know whether
that's anger or rage or drug addiction
or you know whatever it is but we don't
feed it if it's something that's not
aligning and doesn't feel good to us and
it's something we can stop we can get
rid of a lot of evil in our life right
off the bat but I feel like a lot of
people aren't being accountable of that
they're not you know they're blaming it
like you said they're scapegoating it on
something else yeah instead looking at
it and saying okay I'm doing this I can
start
this and then that with you know a lot
of that the problems that come with it
will be gone and a lot of people aren't
doing that enough I feel yeah man that's
uh that's a game-changer bro cuz like we
in it and speaking as a healer myself we
want to fix people you know I'm saying
especially if you've you've been in a
place of Darkness and now you're in
light you want everybody to experience
that they should like that's a good
thing it's a noble cause man but want
people to be where you are I mean we
find that with Christianity and like
religious people I got the truth you got
it I gotta tell you like you gotta
listen to me you know I have the answers
to the universe to your life to your
sorrow I have the answer and we feel
that way but we happen but obviously
that's what the Scriptures would call
zeal without knowledge you have their
zeal but you don't know that knowledge
on how to win people how to articulate
it and how to apply it you just I got
the answer it's Jesus you know that's me
I got friends like that I've been there
but did the game-changer and this is and
I've always known it but it's just
becoming more and more apparent to me
now is that we want to heal people we
want to we want people to to find God or
see the beauty in nature or whatever
this little little things in life and
walk in the attitude of gratitude but it
was this book here I've read it on a
podcast a couple weeks ago but it's a
book by Manley P Hall it's just called
magic and it just goes between white and
black magic and but at the very end he
talks about being happy in that how
happiness isn't promised to anyone like
it's not God's will to be happy like by
default you're not happy for me and my
mindset was like everybody should be
happy everybody deserves that's the key
word everybody deserves to have their
dreams manifested everybody deserves to
have a great marriage everybody deserves
this everybody deserves you don't
deserve anything that's grace that you
get the way I have it but hard work pays
off you deserve
what you work for the demons the dark
night of the soul
you open up doors you deserve that to
come into your life now you have to
learn from it why it's there in it and
to get rid of it you have to do the work
like we want to call a shaman within the
shamans can help us and maybe the shaman
is a picture or archetype that I want to
get rid of this and it works as you
doing the work you know what I'm saying
definitely but you have to do the work
if you want a successful marriage you
have to work at a successful
relationship if you want to be a great
podcaster and I mean you just have a big
following and bla bla bla app trust me I
get P you can to work at it do the work
happiness as iron man you know and
freedom freedom is earned you have to
pay for it you have to work for it so it
takes away this notion of everybody
deserves freedom where everybody
deserves a perfect life you deserve what
you work for if you want it bad enough
there's nothing anyone can tell you to
stop you that's nothing anyone can do to
take that away from you if you want it
you can do these principles we're
talking about you can go into the ethers
and create it if you want it nobody's
gonna do the work for you and we talked
about this notion of the demons that are
in our lives especially come out of
Christianity there's these there's this
big notion of anything that is bad is
demonic
it's the devil we can pray it away and
cast it out and I've been a part of that
school and still AM it's a weird
discernment battle that goes on it's
okay what demons are do we need to pray
for and get out of your life and these
type of things but what demons are here
to teach you like you're asking for
patience and wanting patience and
there's these situations and things set
up in your life to teach you patience to
impart that to you that you have to
learn on your own I can't pray you out
of that like I can pray peace and and
help you and be there with comfort with
you and you know but you have to go
through that you can't skip ahead you
this life is at its testing trials and
tribulations and you have to keep taking
those tests until you pass it so in
Christianity would start finding
ourselves praying away the demons that
Almighty God has has graciously sent to
us these evil spirits these demons these
states of confusion that we asked for
all we need to get to the next level
many people they don't make it out of
that because they don't the drive to
survive is not in them as deep as it is
and others but for those of you who want
freedom and you're in debt you you have
to ask right you have to admit you have
to be open and vulnerable to want to get
to the next level but to act like it
doesn't exist or to simply pray it away
it's not the answer
have you had any encounters with that
this is is this making any sense to you
well I'm getting at it this is what I
what's coming out for me if I remember
hearing from somebody I can't remember
who said this but really if you want
courage you're gonna be thrown in a
situation that you're gonna your courage
is gonna be shown like this is okay
there's a situation where you can see
what how much courage you have you know
and see that you have courage if you
want if you want happiness you're gonna
be throwing it you know you're gonna be
thrown certain things that are gonna
probably not make you so happy but you
learn to have that happiness throughout
those things yeah my ex-wife used to get
so pissed off with me because tennis
everything nothing gets to you like
nothing just really stresses you out
that's why it's out of my control right
now I can't pay this bill right now so
why did I freak out come on you want me
to get upset and freak out about it but
that's not doing me any good you know
that really is peace and happiness for
me as is being grateful for what you
have even if you know I have live yeah
you know and that's that's always
managed to kind of help me keep that
peace and keep you not I have my days I
have my moments like everybody else I'm
human
but I've always maintained a pretty calm
and peaceful kind of way about me it's
just just because I've never let too
much you know that too much of the small
stuff get too
yeah man
with with lightworkers it could be a
rollercoaster ride talk a little bit
about that he told my hat is and you say
it you say it nonchalantly I have good
days and bad days even in the Bible like
we look at some of these people have
done crazy miracles like insane wonder
working miracles that defy the laws of
physics and just they've seen the beauty
of God in the power and in that and
they've done that and then the next day
they're depressed they give they given
up hope my friends like that I've been
there and you're talking about too but
when we're there to be able to find our
peace and hold that peace especially if
you're a light worker you're attracting
those things you're dealing with
everyone else's BS their baggage and if
there is this this battle of good and
evil like you're the more good you do
the evil gets upset you know I'm saying
you become a target and you can do these
awesome you could you know do awesome
podcasts and webinars and and and help
people and get them to the next phase in
their life and then the next day you
feel like you know you on the brink of
insanity you know what I'm saying or you
just given up all hope and losing
everything talk about that how to stay
balanced I mean 10 gratitude I think is
definitely number one right we have to
if you something you're like doing and
you're pretty good at if you have some
downtime you know it's that song what's
the Sun when you're hot you're hot when
you're not you're not you know that's
just the way it works that you're gonna
have your abs in your flows but you know
we talked about this before I think on
our show my show is being consistent
staying consistent with it you know
being able to write the ship you're
gonna have storms you're gonna have a
big waves sometimes even make you sick
or make you not feel so pleasant it is a
roller coaster ride and I think that's
you know enjoying or understanding those
times when you are down maybe taking
that time to learn and maybe ponder some
of the things that can change that or
change some of the the things that you
feel are out of alignment in your life
you're feeling down but really you know
I'm you know I'm a musician I've done it
for half my life played a lot of live
shows and for a while that we were
playing four days a week and you know
half of those shows I didn't feel like
getting up and playing you know I felt I
felt the other I felt that it wasn't
excited about it but and I do have
someone I have some stage fright you
know I do have some a little bit of
stage fright so you know was always like
okay I don't want to get up there and do
this again I don't want to get you know
then I get up there and I'd love it or
sometimes it wouldn't go so well but
really it's just I think it's just being
a professional and being you know
maintaining that balance throughout it
you know knowing that this this
experience may not be exactly what I
wanted right at this time but I'm here
let's make the best of it you know you
know and uh it's funny you used who we
said a roller coaster I think that's a
great analogy because I'm scared to
death of roller coasters like some
people count all the coasters and
freaked out that's all for ventilating
may start praying you know what I'm
saying and get I get really terrified
but my wife and my daughter they love it
they get on there they enjoy the ride
it's not enjoyable for me I'm thinking
I'm analyzing the situation okay if this
like trust me I'm thinking of what if
this Falls can I survive the fall can I
survive the fall if this thing Falls
will I survive like it's not pleasurable
for me so everybody's you know we're on
the same ride man we're all you're going
through this things but we all react
differently Leeman and in its the rides
for some people it's enjoyable for some
people they freak out but it's a have to
learn I'm gonna be okay
that could happen and it goes back to
what I was talking about earlier just
think of the good things I can see the
negative stuff let me think it a good
thing look I'm here with my family we
making memories I'm still trying to
fight that urge of analyzing the
situation walking in fear you know yeah
and that's and that's sometimes that's
why it's important to just let go and
enjoy yourself what we're thinking about
it for a little while oh I think some
people use that over use that whole let
go of the mind you
just the heart because I feel like both
of them important but sometimes you do
need to just let it all go when you feel
that moment of stratsi anxiety and you
just you know wanna f it let's do it and
that's always kind of gotten me past a
lot of certain fears when I've just
gotten so so scared or someone anxious
over it
so much that's built up and built up and
built up and eventually I'm just like
you know what I'm done that's enough you
know if I'm done being afraid of it
it's gonna happen it's gonna happen if
it's not it's not I'm gonna enjoy what
we're you know my present a present time
right now and you know that's tend tend
to help me
yeah man be yeah and that's um scent
being mindful being in in the moment at
all times and that's part of how we
achieve our goals and walk in healing
and in that life we create for ourselves
man but yeah maybe that'll help me dude
cuz like I have to apply it in in that
area too because I get kosta phobic you
know under them rods and start freaking
out I remember we went to Disney and we
went on a Harry Potter ride and I'm
nervous getting on it and we sit now my
wife sitting on my daughter then I sit
down in one and that strap comes out and
two blocks me I'm trying to open it I'm
trying like a last second I'm gonna jump
off of this thing for real I'm glad I
couldn't open it I was fitting to jump
off was like it was meant to scare you
like that so you to make you feel like
you were gonna fall off the tracks
yeah scared me but yeah I mean in spite
of my fear of them I do it is you know
is it is exciting this is the kind of
something I don't wait to my all of our
lives is yeah we have kind of pumped up
feeling kind of a you know that fear of
oh god the energy is really going right
now I'm anxious but you can transmute
that energy into if you can kind of
break through that threshold again right
of that fear and say you know what I'm
gonna do it anyway now of course you
need to be mindful yeah don't jump off a
20-foot building or 30-foot building if
you don't have a pic or anything there
to catch you you're gonna hurt yourself
but if yeah I feel like some calculated
risks
you know being maybe
rollercoaster that has a good track
record hasn't injured anybody but is
scary but it's worth going on it's worth
getting that blood pumping sometimes
that's nice yeah man I've something I
know I've got to get over personally
like but I know cuz we're talking about
being triggered in trauma you know what
I'm saying in these things coming
through that I was I was tortured by my
brother when I was little man he would
put us in little chest and he would make
us get in dresser drawers lay down
sideways and shut it like where your
sock in your sock drawer at least he'd
shut it and leave us in there and man I
just remember him heart racing thinking
I'm about to die cambrie he's
hyperventilating like all that all that
comes back when I get in a tight space
man you know what I'm saying it's hard
for me and it's a perfect example of
trauma man of relationship bad
relationships and things that people
have been through in it in whenever
teenagers or kids and then into their
adult lives it still endures them
I've passed up opportunities to go and
do concerts and things like that because
I don't want to fly because I'm too
scared at that cost of phobia will kick
in on a plane that I've had people want
to fly me out and stuff and I'm like I'm
bit too busy you know and I'm not going
okay but now I'll have bigger
opportunities coming and I have to get
over that yeah I know right that's what
I need that's totally that's my plan I'm
gonna get something to help me know
right I know I'll be missing missing
that I joke with my family and friends
and say lumps I'd be the one get on that
mug and run to the door it's how to open
the door on the plane while it's in the
air plane is something where you have to
let go I mean I get on there and I'm
scared but I enjoy flying I think it's
because I'm like let's do it you know I
mean I have to psych myself up for that
yeah yeah get in the mood for it right
just like anything else it's like doing
a reading but yeah
maybe a little different but yeah and
then I you know get excited this is
gonna be fun I'm gonna enjoy it you know
I mean I've been on some plane rides
that the turbulence has been it feels
like you're dropping out of the sky but
you know it's part of the ride man enjoy
getting a place you know it's a new
experience for you you know I know
there's a lot of people I have fear of
flying but I've always enjoyed it but I
enjoy kind of that thrill of things you
know I'm not a thrill not one of these
thrill junkies or anything but I do
enjoy a thrill you know and and I feel
like that's kind of helped me fly in
place yeah I'm definitely gonna have to
get over that man move moving forward
okay you know but it's it's just a
picture though you know I'm saying like
we're not let me help people who are
they have other things that you know
within us the perfect word triggered
you're triggered oh you triggered me you
know you reminded me of something I
didn't like about myself you reminded me
of someone who stole this from me you
know what I'm saying stole a part of me
and we have to find healing man or we're
gonna go through life being triggered
men are dogs men are all cheaters men
are this men are that no they're not
you know if the Christians are this
Christians are judgmental Christians are
bah bah bah I can't stand Christians
think they're right yeah not all over
you know cool Christian like you know
I'm saying you have these preconceived
notions and these triggers man and I
talk about a lie that Jesus thing comes
up on a lot of it's part of my life man
but a lot of my interviews I do and I'll
mention Jesus some some people do Dave
when I say Jesus they look like they
took they they bitter sour lemon what
Jesus right he ain't real like he never
existed like okay next question you know
yeah I feel like there's good people
everywhere most people are just like us
you know just simple things they want to
enjoy their life you know have a good
time with their family or not whatever
whatever they just they want to be happy
they want to just kind of live their
lives and and I think you know there
are those few you know the squeakiest
wheels are the ones that we're always
hearing so you know I feel like most
people aren't like that most people
aren't you know they're not they they
have a belief system in something or
know that there's a greater power
that's like Utah Muslims among you know
I I used to trigger atheists all the
time because I give them questions that
they like yeah they didn't have an
answer for right yeah they could get me
I'm like that's the way it works man
it's you know there's a lot of science
that's proving a lot of this stuff now I
mean I don't you've seen that Farsight
press those remote viewers
he doesn't go yeah yeah I mean he's and
he doesn't know any right Courtney brown
yeah yeah yeah I love watching him
because he doesn't in a way that you
could do it a lot easier than that and
you can get a lot more information but
he's doing in a way that can prove it
scientifically and I and I think that's
we need more people like that I think we
do need more people that can reach those
more logical minded or left-brained type
of people and I think that's what's
going on right now I think a lot more of
the left brainers are like wow okay
there's something to this or there's
something to this you know I think
that's part of the whole awakening
process and I don't know it's moving on
yeah yeah man he's cool dude like we
almost we almost work together he wanted
like he wanted me to do a astral travel
song about I asked for travel and stuff
yeah so that that was cool we never did
it could what I'm sorry not astral
travel remote viewing cuz that's what he
does yeah yeah I mean it's pretty much
the same thing like people think oh you
need to leave your body well you kind of
do but if you're paying attention to
that you'll see that but if you're not
really cared about leaving your body and
you're caring more about the target
you're looking at you know that's you
already left your body you mean you
haven't really completely but you are
you know multi-dimensional beings that
kind of thing you know you're you've
left part part of you is kind of gone
somewhere else to view a certain thing
you know and I feel like and that's what
I'm saying he's very technical about
that yeah
yeah he's really good people out we
talked about him a good bit on one of
the remote viewing episode that we did
but um yeah man anything that we didn't
talk about that you want to touch on
I've actually got to get going here
pretty soon but I've enjoyed this yeah
awesome
me too brother yeah let's uh staying in
touch let's do some more man this will
go live in a few days and I'll send it
out for you to share and all that good
stuff man yeah success to you thanks for
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3 3 3 3 star er eg star er E 3 3 3 oh
man I'm like lining up with all these 3
3 3 people so that's pretty funny yeah
yeah I'm gonna City guys will have to
let you go but thank you very much for
having me and yes we'll do it again for
sure aye brother Shalom peace peace
Aaron Fowler ladies and gentlemen good
good brother and if you guys haven't
seen go to his page and if you scroll
back through the videos you'll be able
to see the interview we did together I
think it's also on YouTube as well I
think the interview is on on YouTube as
well
shout out to Tiger King just sent me a
donation here on on what is this called
super chat thank you so much for that
thank you um said
patron patreon but will still contribute
from time to time thanks man appreciate
the donation and then yet from New
Zealand thank you yeah um triggers think
it's a healthy I think we should be we
should be aware of what triggers us
don't act don't act like nothing
triggers you right I mean not you know
we have I think we need to get over
ourselves I think we need to learn how
to respond so we don't freak out like
sometimes I get I still feel that weird
anxiety when someone disagrees or they
want to you know call you names or
whatever the cases you still feel that
they're I mean maybe that's just natural
I mean you want to get into a place
where you become water and it just
slides off of you and it doesn't bother
you but uh you know words do hurt words
have power men and for something that
you believe in and you're challenged on
it
it can be rather intense I've seen it in
Christianity for years and I have seen
Christians just over doctrine the
doctrinal issues then freaked out here
Shami shouting matches man yelling and
stuff over a disagreement about what a
scripture means or it's something that
they've given their life to follow you
know then here you come bringing a
different understanding a different
viewpoint you're freaking them out they
don't you know this cognitive dissonance
kicks in you're you're wrong they're
right bah bah bah bah bah this and they
get mad and storm out and you don't hear
from them for years I've seen it with
other people I've been a part of it but
you know glad that's behind me I learned
from that but it is man people get
triggered people are sharing or out of
their hurt now that their guilt and
things like that the next time you get
mad don't flip out yeah don't flip out
question in the chat here who is that
that's um
Hunter hunter huge see it ask him about
tarot cards he kind of talked about
Terra cards a little bit but he said he
recently bought a tech and a deck and
you said you use them to talk to the
Holy Spirit about your life that's
pretty cool man and I think I got a deck
so this isn't the like the regular tarot
deck this is a deck that I got my
introduction was essentially it's called
the turret of the most high I've talked
about this on several times in the past
but this is deck I got and it's like
it's modeled after biblical Ark types
archetypes if we've we do a Wednesday
night show on my friend psychic Christie
Lee's radio show and well we do a lot
more prayer and and energy work and
things like that on her show and people
are calling in for readings and stuff
and a lot of times I'll pull a card and
I've kind of like what Aaron said like I
don't I don't know Tara I don't I don't
study it I don't know but I do know that
these that my intuition is is linked in
with these cards that I think they you
know when I'm able to pull them I'm able
to get things about the situation most
of the time I already have them so I
anyway I've been using these on readings
and I don't even have to tell you the
card like I said I think that would even
be the scapegoat
well the card said you're gonna die you
know I didn't say it or whatever you
know but anyway just to be able to kind
of formulate that throughout the
conversation and using little things
like this as tools because that's what
they are just like meditation prayer
yoga anything like that it's all it's
all tools man that were able to use but
I posted that online and I think I lost
a bunch of my Christian friends when I
posted that I posted my status saying I
used tarot cards for the first time and
it was powerful and it was but what
wouldn't that be something if I couldn't
post that because I was scared of what
they thought about me in the past I
could I think I even thought twice about
posting it just because I
knew it would come and it came you know
rightfully so you know you got to do
your own research you got a they can't
let nobody do it for you Oh um hunter
also says on here he says the horrorcore
group twist it released their own
rider-waite deck oh that features
pictures of different underground
artists and other characters that's the
one I got oh wow
you get the insane clown posse version
are they on it because I know they split
up I don't know if the ICP is actually
on there could they at odds even though
they created them essentially but yeah
that's cool man you gotta find what
works for you and uh know who you are
know your worth man so with that being
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ce-5 I know a lot about ce-5 we held our
own ce-5 initiative two months ago for
the of the new moon and um it was good
we had this like a global thing that we
did were we just put the information out
there and created a Facebook event did
some YouTube videos on it and everybody
went out together I went live and you
know did the little prayer meditation to
call in the entities the angels the
ships whatever you terminology you
prefer the demons men some of you would
say
calling the Angela beans and a lot of
people had encounters man it was
beautiful people had encounters for the
first time that night though I seen some
ships and it was awesome because it had
been so long since I've been out there I
was able to go out there and have an
encounter and yeah ce-5 initiative is
the contact of the fifth kind fourth
kind you got one two three four the new
one is five fourths kind is when you
you're abducted or they come and get you
fifth kindness when you actually contact
them go out there and meditate say the
prayer get yourself into a place of an
activity a lot of ways that can happen a
lot of people specialize in that james
gilliland Steven Greer and so I've just
kind of copied what they've done and
that's what I did early on to have all
of my beautiful encounters that I had to
angelic contact or ET UFO contact I
don't care whatever so Dylan man I'm
here to stay lol I do it with my friends
we do it we all do it that's what's up
man yeah we do too we've we've done it
in the past I've had a lot more private
visions and in sightings and stuff than
I've had with the groups but we have had
group encounters that were phenomenal
but as far as like what got me into it
was the place of just going out doing it
by myself for hours on end
and then all my friends have done it
well we've went out in groups camping
trips it's finding a patch of night sky
going out and just stare at it until
something moves you know almost like
you're fishing but in the sky as above
so below Oh yep with that being said I'm
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