In this episode of The TruthSeekah Podcast TruthSeekah is joined by Scott Newell aka The Objective Believer as they discuss religion, dogmas, factions and heresy hunters.
The Objective Believer is Scott Newell who uses video teachings to take an objective apologetic look at the charismatic and word of faith movement. Signs and wonders, Healing, Holy Laughter and other manifestations accompany many Pentecostal circles which are labeled “heresy” or “done away with” by other opposing Christian denominations such as Reformed Baptist and others. Scott’s videos bring a biblical foundation to many of these God encounters that are beings experienced still today by many in evangelicalism.
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I just wanna be with you, won't you come, come and take me, you're mad I'll raise the mark on the promised seas, faith is thin when I don't believe I just wanna be with you, won't you come, come and take me You are now locked into the two-think-apide gang. Park Girls, slide gang, Saturday's on godly. Don't say it. Streaming live at truth-think-apide.com. She's not a cristock. Give it up, y'all. You're a portal to the paranormal, esoteric, and all things spiritual. She's tapered and you're down, sad and stuffed. And now, you're host, truth-think-apide. Hey, what's up ladies and gentlemen, I'm your host, Truff Stigga, this is the Truth to Seek a Podcast. I'm an excited and delighted to be with you guys again for another exciting episode. What we cover all things, spiritual, talk to awesome people with different backgrounds and identities and everybody has a piece of the puzzle, feel like we bring that, if everyone brings their piece of the puzzle to the table that we put it together and it forms the picture where we can kind of get some clarity or see what's going on. And I was thinking today, man, you know, I've done a lot of different interviews over the years. I've talked to so many people, a lot of so-called healers and psychics and Christian ministers and prophets and seers and ministers and hip-hop artists and, man, just people with all these titles. And so I know a lot of people from the church realm immediately, if you talk to these people then you automatically believe in what they're bringing to the table. If you do an interview with them, if you talk to them, then you cosign on everything they believe in. So for me talking to an eclectic group of people from witches or wizards or people in the astral projection, whatever it is, it's like, okay, talking to these people. That's not what I'm doing. I'm not talking to psychics. I'm not talking to mediums. I'm not talking to preachers. I'm not talking to pastors or evangelists or prophets. I'm talking to people. And then once you can get past that, man, I understand that there's a cry in the hearts of all human beings that we're all asking the bigger questions and searching for answers and trying to make sense out of this existence, then the facades fall, then the essences or the personas fall by the wayside. And you don't have to be scared of somebody's title or of somebody's position, their persona that they walk in. And I remember seeing that on the job site, man, I've talked about this a lot, but being on the job and having the big guys come down from corporate, you know, the court and you gotta make sure you're on your piece of cues, the boss is here and everyone's like kind of scared around the boss and making sure we're doing everything by the book and you don't even want to talk to him because you're scared of him. You're not scared of him. You're scared of his persona. And that really didn't fall until I got to work with the bosses one-on-one and go out and do jobs with them. And I found out that those big bosses that everybody's trying to impress and stuff, they're just regular people. And but while they're on that job, this title or this thing that people see that in it, it cuts them off from their humanity. So that's just kind of what I like to do on this podcast, man, I don't see the titles. I just see people, especially to I go back to the childhood stuff and why are you in this? Why are you the way that you are? Why did you choose this path? Or why did the path chose you, choose you? So I just wanted to put that out. There's something that I've been pondering lately. So I want to put it out there. I want to give a huge shout out for before we go any further to everybody, support my work via Patreon. This is a listener, supported listener fund that show could not do it without your help. So thank you guys for standing behind me. I wanna give a shout out to some of the latest patrons within the last week or so. A shout out to Abigail Squires, thank you my friend. Natani, AG, thank you my friend for coming on. Cody Richardson and Devin. Thank you guys for partnering with me with this great work. If you'd like to support, head on over to patreon.com there you get access to my entire discovery of music so over 200 songs our Thursday night school of the mystics which is like the community aspect to what we're building here. 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So yeah, just I guess scrolling Facebook. I don't know if I seen a sponsored video. Probably one of your videos caught my attention several weeks ago and checked it out and other ones popping into my feed and make sure that I like the page. I think that I turned on the notifications as well. And I really like what you're doing with your Facebook page, the objective believer. So, wanted to talk to you a little bit about that, your faith, your background, and just some of the other stuff that you're bringing to the table, like, is that your main thing? I've seen that you have other links and other websites and stuff as the objective believers that your main thing or is in an offshoot of a ministry or what's going on with that page. Yeah, that's pretty much it. We started on, well, initially, I started with a blog about five or six years ago. That didn't really take off too much. then yeah I just kind of fell into a niche with Facebook and I was just kind of expanding from there. But the basic idea is the objective believer, yeah that's the platform. And what is the like the stance behind that, like what is the I guess the goal with the objective believer? Yeah I'm glad you have because I kind of feel like a lot of people have some misunderstandings about that. And very few people last they just kind of assume. I think I think I've assumed that but I want to make sure I'm right too in assuming. Okay. Well, I mean, obviously what comes in mind for most people when they hear the word objective, well, in first, I guess I should say, I'm, you know, Bible-believing Christian. And so objective people kind of think, oh, you know, he's fair and balanced, you know, and, you know, just tries to shoot you straight. And, of course, I try to do that. you know, everybody, I don't think I've ever met anybody that would say they don't try to do that. So that idea in and of itself is kind of subjective depending on who you talk to. So, so there's that angle, but the other angle is another definition for the word objective is actually outside the mind. And the idea there is making observations that anybody can make. And that's kind as a perhaps of the idea behind the objective believer is just to make an observation whether it be observations of behavior, observation of doctrine, observations of whatever the Bible says, but instead of having all of this internal reasoning that often creates conflict within the body of Christ, I try to just deal with what we can observe and anybody can observe and it kind of eliminates a lot. I feel like the goal is to eliminate a lot of that conflict. Yeah I mean you said reasoning and you know I'm just thinking like what from the couple videos that I've seen on your on your page it just seems like you are you are being the voice of reason between different factions even is that kind of what you're trying to do and again like being the voice of reason and looking at both sides and not just taking a hard ride or a hard left, maybe taking some balance there if you will. Maybe there's good on this side and good on that with all of the different factions and sects of Christianity and things like that. Yeah, I mean, I have my own biases and that's part of the whole idea is you have to recognize if you're owned by it. But yeah, you know, it's just kind of trying to, like what, first the salooning is five says, it says, you know, test all things. So everything across the board is gonna get tested and it says, hold to the good and abstain from the evil. And so that's what I'm just trying to do is test everything, subtract the good from wherever that is and leave the bad. And of course, you know, there's a lot to be said as far as how you test things and that's, you know, another topic I guess. But yeah, are you seeing that like people may be dealing with cognitive dissidents when it comes to the Bible or just with anything, especially with the Bible and religion, politics, race right now, like there's cognitive dissidents where like they just have, even though you presented in a beautiful way and you break it down and it could be gospel truths, they just can't see it. Like, they just because they're so engraft and ingrained in their doctrine that it doesn't matter if it was Jesus himself teaching it like they still can't get it because they're just stuck in their ways and this is how we were taught. Do you see a lot of that going on? I do and honestly I see a lot of that in myself and that's one of the things I try to remember. It's so easy to recognize flaws in other people and I feel like we kind of live in this society and I got to always been like this, I don't know, but where I'm going to tell you everything that's wrong with you and I'm not going to really think and struggle with those own, my own concepts and my own issues with those things, myself, and so whenever I get too far into the point of, you know, thinking that way, like all that person's being biased or that person's not being fair, I try to come back to, well, what about me, you know, am I weighing everything correctly yet? And so I hope that answers the question, but I kind of just try to bring it back to me because I feel like there's enough finger pointing, you know, going on in the body of pride and going on in the world. Everybody thinks that everybody else should be the way that they are. And so for me, it's like, wait a second, how many people are actually listening and trying to learn from people? And sometimes I get faulted for for so many debates and quote unquote arguments that I get into. But those things mainly are for me. Like that's that's the way that I I learn if my ideas can stand up to scrutiny. It's not about trying to change the other person's mind. I mean, if I feel like they're wrong, then sure, I mean, that would be awesome if I could. But the primary issue is, am I wrong? Because that's who God, you know, that I'm the person that God's been holding responsible for what I think. And so, yeah, you know, just kind of try to stay humble about it and think about things like that. Yeah, I think that it's kind of what qualifies you, not in the eyes of anyone else, but just the fact that you're doing the inner work and you're conscious of your own flaws and you're conscious of your own dogmas. I guess the cognitive dissonant stuff is like, you're not even conscious of it. It's always other people and it's never you. It's never like, okay, make sure that I wasn't a jerk. Let me make sure that I'm doing the inner work and because so much of Christianity is projecting, like holding other, here's the thing, holding other people to a standard that you don't hold yourself to. So we want to make sure that we're not doing that. That it's definitely like whatever we would project on others. We want to make sure that we're, you know, holding ourselves to similar standards as well. What's gets overlooked a lot. So I feel like if you're doing that in a work, which I think all Christians should be doing, which, you know, the scriptures is talking about examining yourself to make sure that you're in the faith and, you know, make just kind of, you know, doing inventory, if you will. But it kind of programs the brain in a sense to be conscious of some of those things. Okay, is this my ego talking or do I want to win these over, win these people over because it validates me and my doctrines or do I get a chip that, hey, I convert it to seven people today, that kind of thing, or is the fact that like, at the end of the day, truth is, you know, going to be what stands. And so if you're doing that own inner, inner, inner work, it really helps, but I think even me saying that most Christians would say that that, yeah, I'm doing that, you know, yeah, part of the conference, just an answer not even going over their head. Yeah, I do. I examine myself and you're not in the faith. I'm in the faith. You're not, you know, that kind of thing. Yeah, well, there's this, I've kind of been dabbling in and a little bit of psychology. It turns out there's all kinds of habits and behaviors within Christianity that have been well documented outside Christianity. We've just been a part of the time to listen. And one of them is this concept known as the Dunning Kruger Effect. I don't know if you've ever heard of that. Yeah, well, in a nutshell, it's basically kind of like that cognitive dissonance idea, but it's basically people tend to think that they're smarter than they are. And the more confident you are and how intelligent you are, it's often an indicator that you're actually not. And so it's one of the, and then they actually have like a tap that's up you can take. if you're like the victim of the done and figure it back. But yeah, I mean, that's why I feel like you have to constantly bring it back to yourself. Like it can never become too much about other people because you can't control other people and God's not gonna be like, hey, you know, you weren't able to control that person, you know? And so you're not gonna get a reward for that. So it comes back to self-responsibility and self-reflection. And so I try to bring that back and I try to bring that in all of my content that I develop. And of course, since the PMR2, I feel like you got to learn to laugh at yourself and laugh at everybody really. Well, that helped me being able to laugh at myself and even if I still do, or I mean, it helps not to take yourself too seriously because you can, like a lot of Christians do that. And I'm saying Christians, I'm putting myself in that mix. Like I've definitely been the one to like think that I was right in every doctrine and trying to debate people and trying to convert people and those kind of things. But at the end, I just had to, you know, I think laughing at ourselves is healthy, you know, but some of it's like if it's a life or death situation and people are going to hell, how could you laugh at this? And, you know, and the injustice is going on or whatever, but I really do think it's healthy because we take ourselves too serious, I believe. And so to be childlike, I mean, you have to laugh, you know? Well, it's interesting because within Christianity, there's this strong idea about how we're all extremely and deeply flawed in how we're all wretched and we're all sinners. But it's weird because that reasoning suddenly doesn't apply when it comes to our doctrine and when it comes to our ability to decipher truth and embrace truth. to me that's a strange like a Galatians 5 names, Herity as a work of the flesh. So that tendency is in human nature and it's just weird that Christians will say, I send 10 times a day, like nobody can go without sending, but then it's like, are you wrong about any of your doctrines? And it's like, not that I know of her, I should give out, it's like so. Yeah, you know, the whole heresy word, I feel like Christians throw that around, heresy or heretic, like in the political realm and the social justice warriors would throw down, you know, they'd throw around the word Hitler. You're Hitler. You're a heretic and like they just put that on you and they tell other people and they want other people to believe it and want people to stay away from you and if they can get people to do that then in their mind and their heart they succeed it because they've painted you as a heretic and one thing we used to say was heretic but we'd also throw in the word, repurbate, he's repurbate, man. Just leave him alone, he's repurbate. He's not gonna get at the Lord ain't dealing with him no more. We were pretty bitter, and you know what I'm saying? It's just with these quick judgments. Like, there's some people who deal with you, like if you disagree with them on anything, oh, your hair tick. What? That's crazy, because I don't believe that. Then I'm a hair tick, what about all the other stuff? Like, it's interesting, man. So with heretic, let's talk about that word a little bit. Christian stole it around a lot. And heretic goes into what we would call a sect of Christians. They don't call themselves this. I think they've kind of earned the title, but heresy hunters, which they would probably call themselves watchmen. We're watchmen on the wall, brother. They'll probably name their channel that. And they just, there's a bunch of them out there. Just say, hey, what? There's a demon over there. Watch out, this guy's got this, this guy's past, this guy is married to this. They're pointing out all of the bad or the negative and other people in Christendom, or in the secular world, a bunch of those channels are huge, but heresy hunters and they look for the bad. They look for the things that don't line up with the scriptures in their opinion, or from what they've been taught, or from their understanding. So with you, I feel like you covered some of this kind of stuff. Would you have you had run-ins with those people? Were you a heresy hunter? Are you still a heresy hunter in the fact that you would identify with that term, you know? Yeah, I've definitely run into those folks. Actually, that's kind of what got me into doing what I'm doing now. Because back when I was like 14, 15, 16 years old, I've really got serious about following Christ and I really started spending a lot of time in the word. And I started finding this really awesome stuff in the word. And then I would go and I would share it with somebody else and it would be like, boom, I could tell you some stories about the things I've been called and even churches that I essentially been kicked out of. And so it kind of just got me thinking like, why is this happening and now it's kind of blown up blown up with social media, I mean, the internet has allowed it to be amplified. Whatever it was back in the 80s and 90s is now just like it's on, you know, it's on crack now. And yeah, I mean, we deal a lot with that. And in fact, a lot of people would say that we're that the objective believer, the ministry is one of apologetics for word of faith or charismatic. I'm not going to deny or affirm that. I tried to stay away from leaning too heavily on labels, which is kind of why I, you know, had to take issue with heresy to begin with. Yeah, I mean, being objective with that, with your faith and with the Bible and understanding that there are factions and those weird stuff in Christendom, you understand that all of them hold a little bit of the truth. That was one of the things I put my book out and the introduction of just kind of giving people quick warm-up was like I've studied under many different sects in Christianity and many different sects outside of Christianity and all of them have a beautiful piece of the truth but then all of them have this ugly grotesque piece as well that like no stay away from it and so and I feel like what maybe what you're doing what many of us are doing wanting to get back to Christianity before it was tainted before it was tampered with and became what we have here now is if we want to you know get back to the essence of it. And all of these other, you know, sex, they all have a beautiful piece of it. There's stuff I love about reform theology, but there's stuff that I hate. There's stuff that I love about evangelicalism and prosperity preaching and word of faith and miracles and the prophetic, the stuff that I love about that. But then there's stuff that's like, oh my God, this is not good at all. So it's about it's about balance. I think at the end of the day, I think it's the same with politics or you write or Democrat Republican or like if you're really objective and you're asking the questions and doing the research like you're going to be somewhere in the middle like there's going to be great stuff over here but now there's a note we can't even go near that you know so is that is that safe to say would you agree with that that it's just a little it's a like the truth is somewhere in the middle of all of this stuff. I think, I don't know if I would say it's in the middle. It's so hard for me to answer that question because it requires having knowledge of all the information of all sides and seeing where it's all from the spectrum. There's this idea called, I think it's called false balance or both sidesism and it's that tendency to see the extremes on both sides and then say, well, it's got to be in the middle. I feel like sometimes it is, but for me, it's kind of like you just have to address it piece by piece and take it issued by issue. I used to back in 2016 election, for example, I was crazy with my labeling. I'd be like, oh, that's lessism, that's SJWs, and then yada, yada, and now I'm realizing the labeling, just like in the body of Christ, the labeling, it hurts the discussion because you often either people have different ideas associated with those labels compared to yourself. And so you're saying one thing and they're thinking something else. So when people bring up this topic, I'd say, let's just take an issue by issue and see where we end up, and that's what I try to do. Well, I guess what that being said is like, it's just understanding. I mean, it's kind of, it should be obvious that that all of, I think, you know, even a broken clock is right twice today. So there's something to take from most of these groups that you can apply to your life and there's other stuff that you can, you know, and like I said, you have to go issue by issue because just to say it was in the middle, right, that wouldn't be right. But there's things that they do beautifully, whether it's they love, whether it's their compassion, whether it's their giving, whether it's their charity work, whatever it is. And that the other others don't do, like they just don't do it all, going out into the streets, feeding the homeless, taking care of the orphans and widows, like we just study our word and maintain the scriptures, brother. You know, there's just so much, but I think that all of them have a piece. But I think it's, I think, I do think we get to pick. I do think that we have different strengths and things that appeal to us, that aren't going to appeal to everybody. Whether that's upbringing or even through your own personal study and reading of the scriptures and stuff like that, just getting back to like the heresy hundreds and stuff, it's like, have you seen that the latest video that a good fight media just put out, they're just going in on Bethel now? They just did this long Bethel teaching that showed up in my timeline and I went, I mean, there's no way I could watch the whole thing. I would never sit there and watch that. But I liked a lot of their stuff early on when I was real militant, good fight media. It's like calling out the mostly secular stuff, but they get into the church and stuff and showing you those things. I remember years ago when I got born again and I was just getting on the internet And this was probably 2001, looking up Christian bands and stuff like that, looking up lyrics and ministers. And I found a website called CCM. And it was called corrupt Christian music. And it was this whole website, this blog dedicated to like D Faming, like POD was one of the big ones at the time, Stephen Curtis, Jackman, Michael W Smith and showing you like all of their garbage. I come to us and we'll show you all that why you shouldn't listen to them and you should listen to Jimmy Swagger ministries. Don't listen to them and listen to my brother who preaches the truth over here. So a lot of that going on but it's big right now, the exposing videos. It's been big for a long time but early on it was only a couple of channels that were doing that that blew up and now it's just something that everyone's doing and I kind to call it reaction, you have a reaction ministry, it's like you're not creating anything, you're not causing people to think, you're not like creating something to bring to the table some teachings or a better way to understand the Word of God, you're just like seeing other people's what they're doing and you're reacting to it. Just like we have reaction channels of like let's react to the latest music video that so and so put out, let's react to cat funny cat memes and people will film themselves reacting and laughing, like the church, like people have reaction ministries now to watch your video pause it and critique it. Like, I mean, you've seen some of the stuff I've talked about and people have interviewed and I've made, I've made it into some of those videos with some of the, uh, the bigger channels or whatever reactant to interviews that I've done wasn't about me, it was about my guest, Christ alignment, but um, I've made my, made it into some of those videos, But what would you say? I know it's a mouthful man, but I'm sure you got something though in there Yeah, well, I kind of do reactions to the reactions I've got some videos where I actually have a video on about the release about And some things that he said about oral Roberts. It's kind of a random video because I mean Cottie hen Okay, I'm not sure you don't know. Oh, okay. Well, he's he's the nephew of Benian. Oh, wow, and And yeah, and he's become like a real big critic of, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm okay. Okay, so I remember he did a video like the kind of exposing being a hand or whatever, doing anything. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's kind of his claim to fame was he's related to Benny hand. But anyway, yeah, I mean, I mean, there's a lot that could be said, you know, I feel like On the one hand, there is a lot of error, you know, and so it's like, okay, yeah, we got to be aware of error, but you know, I heard somebody put it this way, you have to trust that the Holy Spirit can teach people how to discern the truth, and sometimes it seems like people want to act as that Holy Spirit. Now, I mean, obviously, that doesn't mean you can't ever point out anything that's wrong, like I said, I'm doing that. I point out things that are wrong. differences, I try to deal with the content and not the person, because like you said, and I tend to agree with, everybody seems, pretty much everybody I've met can affirm some element of the truth and sometimes it can state it like you said, like beautifully, like in ways that I had enough thought of before. So the idea of going after the personality instead of the content, what you do there is another logical fallacy as poisoning the well. And that's where I'm going to introduce this bad information about this person. And then now you're not going to listen to them. And even if they had something good to say, now you're not going to be able to hear it because you now have that bias. And so I try not to create that in my content. I try to go after the information. And you know, I actually have a video where I talk about MMA fighting, mixed martial arts, and how it actually relates to Christianity because martial arts, back, you know, like a hundred years ago, it was all about tradition and culture, and a lot of it was just art, and a lot of it didn't work and real fighting. And so it mixed martial arts again along, and they said, we're just going to take the part that actually works for real world combat, and we're going to combine it to make it like the ultimate form of fighting. And that's kind of what I try to do with Christianity. It's like, I don't care what your title is. I just want to see what kind of truth you're presenting. And if I can read it for myself in the word, I'm going to take that and I'm going to make it a part of what I believe to. And I'm not going to alienate you or demonize you so that I don't ever want to hear from you again. And I'm not going to do that to other people and to other people, you know, plant that bias and discrimination, other people. I'm not going to do that. I just I don't feel like it's a good thing and I don't I don't really see any scripture in the Bible It tells me to do that the name names and We're system more of them amongst you that cause the vision like You know, it's like let people know hey stay away from this guy and a lot of people You know name them and I think there is a script that says name names or whatever But and people take that literally like they won't take the other stuff But see that's the thing that's the psychological thing Why are they picking that part to be like there's so much in there beautiful stuff all kinds of stuff in it I don't think we could we could devote our lives to understanding the scriptures, which I'm sure we've done and Still not you'd still be far off like you have a piece of it that that you know, but you still be off on some things I believe that And just this psychology is like why do you hold that part? You know, why do you hold this part? Whether it's the eternal hell or punishment and things like that It's like even with the psyche Understanding that it's interesting to me and and then when you when you talked about You know not wanting to judge or to validate, you know any of these I wouldn't say religions, but denominations or whatever doctrines Because you have to go by point by point and just see what it is they're talking about because that's good but this is bad kind of thing going through it. I learned, I learned early on for me to make people do that for me, and I encourage people to do the same thing too, because they try to put you in a box. They're just prosperity preachers, you know, why, you know, they can't tell you why I've told a couple things in there, but oh, you're just a heresy hunter, you're just a me, you're a new ager. Hold on, what do you mean by that? What is the new ager? Oh, you believe in all that stuff. What is all that stuff? And if you just let it stay at that it's done, but I got to make them break it down. And I've learned like if I can get people who really want to get to the bottom of what I believe or and why I believe it. Hold on, let's talk about it. And I'm going to show you why I believe what I believe. But you just putting a blanket statement on me saying I'm a new major and hold on. Why, what does that mean to you? What does new age or mean? Like, and what is that stuff. And so when you make people break it down, whether whatever it is, then you can deal righteously with the scriptures. If they are open, you know, and you can judge by their fruit and their character and just their countenance and see if they really, you know, want to do that with you. A lot of them don't care and they put that statement on you and just keep going. They don't care. But I've learned early on and I try to encourage people who are kind of going through that scrutiny too is don't let people put those blanket statements on you like that or just involve you with a people group. I know a lot of Christians who come out of the new age, they use, that's a derogatory word. They're into new age stuff, hold on, and when they say that, it's derogatory. Bethel's new age, Todd White's new age, that's a derogatory, they're using that in a derogatory way, it's not, it's stay away from him, poisonous, it's not good that kind but you're dealing with each point of your doctrine, whatever it is that you believe in not just having this blanket statements. Yeah, I feel like the generalities is what causes a lot, like I said, it causes the discussion to get shut down. And it's funny you brought up how, in the political world, you've got your homophobe or your races, your Hitler, and that shuts down the discussion because at that point it's like, Well, I don't need to talk to anybody that's a homophobe. I don't have to explain myself. And that's what they do in the body of Christ is if I can name you a heretic or a wolf or a false teacher, then the Bible says, I have nothing to do with you. So now I don't even have to talk to you. I don't have to exchange and interact with what you believe. And so yeah, try to stay away from the labels and just say, hey, if we're going to discuss this, then let's use laser precision and get right down to it. Let's leave out as many labels as we can. And honestly, I have to label it right here nowadays. I don't even know what they are. And a lot of people would say that makes me ignorant, which is fine. I choose not to look into some of these labels within Christianity, because it's like you know what? A label is not going to do anything anyway. It's the idea behind it. So if there's an idea behind it, let's discuss the idea and let's leave it a label along. So as far as you personally, you lean more towards word of faith and prosperity type stuff or character. Yeah, I do. Why is that? Is that just with your upbringing? Did you get born again in those circles? Or did you go to those type of churches? Yeah, I did. Which is funny, because a lot of people who have that background actually use that now as for why they're critic of it now, you know. But yeah, for me, when you look at the people in the Bible who serve God, Abraham, and Paul, and Moses, almost all the big name people in the Bible, they had a supernatural experience with God that props and two God and that made them decide that they wanted to serve God. And sometimes even if they didn't decide they had to you know like Jonah. But in all of those cases there was a physical real-time experience and you know it's funny it's like we think about how great the impossible Peter was and how great Paul was. But they weren't like that until they had a tangible encounter with God and so that's the kind of idea that kind of keeps me hanging around the quote unquote word of faith here's mad at circle to it's it's something real that you can experience it's not just head knowledge and you find just a lot you find a lot of head knowledge and the other sparkles and so I prefer something that looks a little bit closer to like the book of So that's kind of how I ended up there and that's kind of where I'm at. Yeah, I'm the same way. And I've said this and I did a podcast recently with the, it was a Christian guy, but he named the actual episode this, but I said that I can talk people out of their doctrine. I can talk you out of it and doctrines change overnight. Doctrine change if you watch an interesting video that compels you like, man, He's got some truth to it. Maybe everything I thought was a lie, but I really feel like you can't talk somebody out of their experience, man Like they right my doctrines and stuff will change but my experience is and even those people You know on the other side will tell you will brother you can't go to your experiences because your emotions a lot to you It's like what do you mean like Mike's my experience with that was this Whether you want to say it's the truth. It's my truth like you're telling me you don't go over there like that dog doesn't bite but every time I've went over there to pet that dog you're trying to bite me my experience is different than your experience with that dog because I don't been bit three times by this dog that you said doesn't bite and I really think experience is key man I think that you know it changes from a head knowledge of what and I'll just use these to as an example whether it is the the charismatic or assemblies of God, evangelical type versus, you know, like, um, um, the Baptist, um, reform theology where it's more of a head knowledge kind of thing or an agreement. Do you agree that you're a sinner? Do you agree that Jesus is Lord, long as you agree with it, you're good. And so it seems like I noticed a big difference because I've done a lot of street ministry over the years and in the scriptures like I didn't really see a lot of people going around trying to get you to agree with their doctrine or agree that do you agree that he is Lord? Do you agree that he is this? Do you know that you're a sinner and that you've broken the commandments of God and now you're a sinner in the hands of an anchor God and coming to this this mental understanding that you need God you know and the preaching of the gospel is one thing So I'm with that. That's there. But it's something about looking in the scriptures and seeing that when they came in contact with Jesus, they encountered Jesus. They weren't the same after an encounter. Not even just with Jesus, it continued with the disciples and with the apostles and I believe it still continues today. But the other side with the Baptist, my Baptist brothers and stuff would have you it starts with an experience for them because they'll be preaching even on the corners crying whatever I was a drunkard I was this until I had an encounter with God they want you to believe their encounter in 1976 I had an encounter you need to believe the gospel and they so they're telling you about an encounter they had instead of maybe facilitating an encounter for you to have now. I feel like, and maybe that's too much work to facilitate an encounter. Maybe nothing always happens, but for me, I feel like there's a big difference with versus making a head knowledge that he is Lord and having an encounter with the living God. I feel like there's a huge difference there between the two. I don't even know that I know how to do either one the right way. I'm just like trying to be an example and just trying I pay forward like what I've learned and what's helped me and it seems to be working like it seems to people seem to be responding to to prayer and having their burdens lifted and and casting their cares upon him and it's an experience it's not just a faith thing while I believe you took my burdens it's like I feel lighter I feel like you took my burdens like it is it's when the the supernatural becomes natural. So I believe in that stuff too, you know, and that's how I got born again. I got born again at a prayer meeting in 1998 whenever a buddy was trying to invite me to church and I would never go. Then he was trying to get me to go to a prayer meeting. And I'm like, if I'm not going to your prayer meeting, I don't want to go to church. I was into like the occult and things like that. He said, well, once you come to the prayer meeting, there's going to be a Christian. And he said, there's going to be a prophet there. I said, what's a prophet? He said, well, a prophet is like a Christian psychic. And that just caught my attention. Okay, I'll come check that out. So even with that, I got in, but it was about an encounter when I gave my heart to the Lord, I encountered him. I got literally, it changed my life forever. So there's a difference there, right? Do they go together? Do you know what I'm saying? Do you make that profession and then an encounter comes? Does an encounter come and then you make profession? seeing it happen both ways yeah and I mean you're you're kind of describing it more as like a like a personal experience like feeling type thing and I'm not discounting that at all but I would talk and more like you know signs and wonders you know seeing people actually get healed and and you know demons cast out boy no I'm talking about that too like no no no no when I'm talking about caring your burdens. Like those reform, they don't believe in that. They don't believe that demons are casting out. They ain't casting out no demons. Only demons are casting out as with the Bible, reading the Bible and you change your understanding. They don't believe in that. At least the majority. So when I'm talking about like receiving prayer and having your burdens lifted, like we can call that casting out of demons or strongholds or whatever, leaving your lighter because the Holy Spirit's there, that kind of thing. So I'm with you on the signs and wonders, but even, you know, I had demons cast out of me for sure. I believe, man, you know, and I could, you know, I gotta pay it forward, you know? That's my truth, man, like, it's in the scriptures. It happened to me, I mean, before anybody told me it was a thing. Like, I didn't even know it was a thing, you know, and it happened, so. That's awesome. Yeah, and I feel like, you know, some folks, want to preach the fire in the brimstone, if you don't repent, you're going to hell. And hey, that's in the Bible. But one thing that I've noticed, though, is that platform to preach that kind of message came with a demonstration of power, like we were talking about the science and the wonders. And I feel like a lot of times we just, we preached the harsh stuff, and we're just like, Hey, you know, they're too hard-hearted to listen. And it's like, well, maybe they're not too hard-hearted. Maybe it's because there's a million different voices in the world and you're just another one and you're not demonstrating the power of what you're saying. And obviously, I mean, that's the meaning of sign. Like in the Greek, it means somebody who's been approved of God to speak a message. That's one of the meanings at least. And so, you know, that's kind of like I said, that goes back to why I have the leanings that I have because I think there needs to be a delineation, like what makes Christianity unique compared to all the other claims going on in the world. And that was an issue they faced back then. And they were like, hey, you know, where's the signs? And Jews would do the signs. And the apostles would do the signs. And the Bible says, you know, they people were paying attention when that happened. So I think that stuff's important. Obviously you can go overboard with it. Everything needs to balance. but yeah, it's important. Yeah, with, you know, everybody's seeking after signs and I always said that like, it's always the people who weren't, you know, moving in those paths. Like you have to have a reason. You have to be able to tell people, like if you're not walking in signs of wonders, if you're not healing people, if you're not casting our demons, then you gotta come up with a reason. Why you're not? And so whether it's reformed theology or about this or you just pick, I'm just naming one. There's so many. You have to give a reason why that's not for today. And it's through, you know, cessation that it doesn't exist anymore. And it died with the apostles or whatever. It does. It does. Sometimes it does feel a little bit like a deflection of personal responsibility, a little bit. I don't want to be overly harsh with it, but it kind of seems like that. Well, it's definitely that because, I mean, they take the, I say they, again, start whoever or ourselves. And I'm saying this from, I've been there and insert the scripture like that you have to be able to give an answer for everything. You have to be ready to give an answer. So in Christendom, you can't let a young person or a young believer come to you and ask you a question and you say you don't know. So hey, why don't we cast our demons anymore? I don't know, young man. we got to give you a reason. Okay, because it's not for today. Like, because they, so if they don't have a reason they'll make a one, you know, why they're not doing it. I mean, because you have to give an account. One of the things you said too, just about like the testimonies of people who are now like critics of whether it's Word of Faith or the prosperity gospel or charismatic renewal or whatever, they come out and there's videos and then they got all their testimonies, but the interesting thing is that you find that there's there's those videos for everything under the sun, whether it's, you know, I left Christianity because of this and I became Buddhist. I left Christianity because it was shallow, it wasn't real, it was a mockery, there was no power there, there's no truth there that people are bigots and I became a Buddhist And I'm sure if we, and I've done the experiment on live like Google it, you know on YouTube anyway and looked up all the videos of people who left Christianity became Buddhist and didn't do the opposite. Look up the people who left Buddhism and found Christ, you know, people who, you know, left Masonry and became a Christian or Christian to left Christianity became Mason. So again, it's kind of like we deal with confirmation bias as well, and like the stuff that you're looking for, like showing itself to you. Those videos are out there of I was put, like with the Kundalini stuff and I was, I did Kundalini yoga and I began, I began possessed. I started doing yoga for six weeks and I got possessed after doing yoga and okay, well there's other people who started doing yoga and it changed their life radically. They lost 200 pounds, but in my dick was doing DDP yoga, Diamond Dallas pages yoga, and he lost 200 pounds doing that yoga workout plan. Talk to him about the Kundalini and the yoga. Well, it was more of an exercise, like we have these different ways of these clauses. Well, it wasn't that, he didn't do it right. You see, and they'll do that as an expert, or he didn't do it right. You gotta really let that, when you let the Kundalini spirit in you, and it takes over. And if you would've did that, and you would've been screwed, You know, and again, confirmation bias and that's the weird thing is this like at the end of the day, you know, all of those examples, all of those testimonies and all of those fears and flaws, they're all out there for whatever it is. When people would like jump on like, you know, Benny hand, because I'm I'm there was a time where I would attack those people and stuff. But I'm really, I like Benny Henn a lot now. Um, any of the, the charismatic people, Todd White, those guys in the attack them, I'm like, and this went usually my, um, my Baptist friends. I was like, hold on, show me your favorite preacher. Let me find some stuff on him because there's definitely stuff out there. At this point, there's some stuff out there. Why you shouldn't listen to your dude because he was there. So or, you you know, who was it Martin Luther still like pan homage to the pope and stuff like and even saying that the pope was still the second come and not second the coming to Christ but the vicar of Christ or whatever, even after everything, it's like hold on like even after he did everything that he did, like he still, you know, was saying these things, I mean, you find what you're looking for and I would have to dig, I would have to go looking for that to really show you. But these people are looking for ways to discredit and disprove other people. What's the end goal? Is it to really attack that? Is there a rest in that? Is there an ignorance to that? Is there let's just ignore it at some point? You've made it your goal to kind of place yourself in the midst of that conversation. Do you see that it's It's like something that you're gonna like until death, like that you're always gonna be there or it's just where you're at now or you think that that conversation's always gonna be there for you. What do you see that as far as like defending the truth and being into, I guess, the apologetics? So if you're in that, I mean, that's a lifestyle, you know, if you're into a apologetics, kind of thing. I have the sense that it is gonna be a lifetime thing and that's because when I look back over my life, I can see how God was preparing me for this. I've never been at a juncture in my life where I could look back in my past and say, and suddenly it all makes sense. But with this, it does. I remember writing letters to pastors when I was 16, 17-year-old boy, hey, you know, why did you say this when that was as that. So it feels like God, you know, this is my calling. I originally thought I'd be out, you know, just being a teacher, you know, a teacher of the word. And my plan was to go into full time ministry when I turned 18. And it just, it never happened. I got frustrated and 10 years went by. It still didn't happen. I kind of fell away. But all that time, God was preparing me for for what's beginning to happen now. And I feel like it's just a course correction. You look at the body of Christ over the past 2000 years and it's ways back and forth starts going in the wrong direction here, then it gets corrected because God raises up people and they come back this way, and I feel like, yeah, I'm just part of that, just one more cog in the wheel of the body of Christ to keep us going in the right direction. Now, have you always been into those sex or denominations? Did you ever venture out? Did you ever, you know, for a couple of years, get into, you know, start going about this churches or even just trying other churches? I remember I was going to press material and like, we were all kind of churches, man. And I ended up doing the Messianic thing for a while. Did you ever venture outside of the charismatic in some more of the Bible-based, let's study the word-type stuff, or even just prayer meetings or Bible studies? Yeah, I've always, and I do too this day, I attend a church that wouldn't really be considered charismatic, and I love it because, again, it's an opportunity to learn and just kind of test yourself. There's not my missing disease folks have, like you were saying, that piece of the truth, that maybe I've been this thing and so I love visiting different churches and interacting with different people. But again, it's like, for me at the end of the day, I wanna be able to read for myself in the Bible what I believe and I feel like some Christians do a better job with that than others and so that's just kind of where I ended up. Yeah, what do you think about compromise and stuff as far as like you talk about how we've got off course in the past and I mean that it helps me show grace, maybe it helps me, maybe it makes me, I don't know if we'd say less standards but it helps me, I feel like it helps me show grace but seeing how we, how far we've changed man from like biblical Christianity to where we are now and I say where we are now, let's say where we were 10 years ago, let's say that. And then how much we've changed in 10 years with the body of Christ, the LGBT stuff, same-sex marriage. I mean, there's so much that we're continuing to change. That was a big one. I mean, what do you see us? I feel like it's inevitable. I feel like that is coming. It's here. I don't know if it's coming. it's here. I have gay friends that are that are ministers you know now and and it was big for me I'm from the bottom from Alabama man and it was a big thing for me to even being conscious and not even trying to be religious like it was a big thing for me to work through of like even having gay friends like being you know and but not but to have gay ministers and gay minister friends And then I have other friends in my ears and like, tell them they're going to hell. If you don't tell them they're going to hell, then God's going to judge you, brother. I was like, you tell them they're going to hell. And let me know how that works out. If it works. Yeah. And I told them straight up, it's like, if it works, I'll follow suit. You show me how to do it. And if it works the way you're showing me, then I'll follow suit and do it. You know, and like, we're changing and that's a big change. And there's a bunch more. There's so much going on right now. It's we're in strange times. there's a big following away from Christianity right now too, like what do you see us with course correction with that? Do you think that that's something that is it the inevitable? I really feel like it is that you're going to have to incorporate that you're not going to be able to say anything about it. And that's just one thing, I guess, but I guess when it comes to the LGBT stuff, what do you feel like the modern church is going with that and what they have to to bow down to the culture and conform. The reason I say that is because we've already bow down and conformed with women being preachers, which I believe, like women being preachers, praying with uncovered heads, like there was so much stuff in the scriptures that is just not here. This is almost a different religion. So, you know, 100 years from now, if Christianity is still around, like what it's gonna look like. And a few years from now, What do you think about that? That's a tough question, man. I mean, I do kind of feel like you do that it is inevitable. And like you said, I mean, there was a time where, you know, the idea of women being a pastor, a woman being a pastor of a church was just unheard of. And now it's everywhere. to say whether that's right or wrong. Because honestly, I'm not prepared to have that discussion. Like if somebody tells me, hey, let's talk about this. I mean, I need like a day to go over the scriptures. And so it's hard for me to just like give an answer on the fly. So, but you know, it happens that change happens. And, you know... What happens even like with black people going to the same church as as white people? You know what I'm saying? Like just so it for us looking back at that now, even the praying with the head covers and stuff, That was like, you didn't do that. If a man prayed with his head covered or a woman with her head uncovered, they wouldn't have it. And some charges still, you know, they still continue those things, but that was like a big deal. You know, there was so much that was a big deal that today is like, I don't know, I think we're splitting hairs even still with stuff that they didn't even stand for or whatever. You know, I mean, one angle on that is the fact that I think everybody would agree with me here. I've never met a Christian who's 100% biblical on every single issue, and that's how we have all these denominations, because we're all like, okay, you're picking and choosing what you want to believe. We're going to pick and choose what we want to believe. So I think that's kind of where that false is, probably, what you're going to see in the future is these churches are choosing to ignore these verses, and you can say that that's wrong and that it's some biblical and that's fine, but most likely you have verses that you ignore in your own life. And I'll be honest, I do in mind, I try not to, and you try to be self conscious of things, but sometimes it's like, yeah, I know that's wrong, but you know what, I don't want to probably do it. I mean, I feel like obviously most people would agree since they say that we're all centers and wretched and all of that stuff. So I think that's probably where that's kind of fall into it's like these churches just decided to interpret those verses differently, you know, but I, for me, the goal is to stay as close to the Bible as possible. And so that's what I'm gonna do. You keep mentioning it wretched and there's a ministry called wretched. And you know, it's the, you know, filthy center, centers in the hands of an angry God, original sin, you know, as a common Christian belief. a lot more now are moving towards an idea called original glory or something like that, where we are created in the image of Christ and how we're not in original sin and how Jesus has kind of won all of humanity back to glory. Have you heard anything like that being spoken about I don't know if they call it original sin or original, I don't know what I call it, but original glory on it. It sounds like universalism maybe. What is Christian, Christian universalism or something? Yeah. I mean, well, I guess you'd have to first define, you know, all the terms, like what do people mean when they say regional then what I think of is Roman chapter 5 it says you know that entered by Adam and then said it was passed upon all mankind so I mean it's in there yeah um let's uh I want to ask you a little bit about your your video which is the one we first I commented on your video about the Kundalini I did my um I posted my little snippet that I made about the Kundalini about my I may be experienced with it or doing kundalini yoga and remembering the first ever kundalini exposed. Now that word is everywhere, it's kind of strange. I've been at the forefront of a lot of these things before they were like caught on the huge and not everybody has a kundalini video and you can, you can, this pastor is doing Sunday morning sermons about the kundalini spirit. I was just say that. But you know, people call in the shaking, the falling down, the laughing, all of that stuff, saying that it's to Kundalini. What is your synopsis on that video just being an objective? And mine was like, mine was saying that it was the same thing, but it wasn't bad, you know what I'm saying? And so the Christians are like, no, we don't want to be associated with any type of of Eastern mysticism, but knowing that Christianity is Eastern mysticism, I believe it's from the East. And I think we got to go a little bit further to understand what it looks like versus trying to interpret it through Western lands. But what did you come away with that video and all the comments and things like that? Did you, was there any more information that you got? Would you like to do another video with that one? Now, right now I'm pretty happy to visit it. I mean, in a nutshell, the answer, I think, for a lot of things. Again, if you're calling by what the Bible says, observations and scriptures, then you just have to say, I don't know about a lot of these things. And I mean, I don't typically like to share my own experiences, but I can tell you I've fallen over before. And I mean, there's been times where I was up there. And in my mind, I was like, this is not going to happen. Like I'm going to fight against it. Because a lot of the critics say, well, it's just the power of suggestion. So I've tested that where I'm like, OK, here comes the pastor. This is not going to happen. And then it happens. And then the laughing and things like that. So I've had my own experiences with it. I can only speak for myself that I believe it's from God and from the Lord, from the Holy Spirit. But I can't look at somebody else's. Not using the Bible. I could look at somebody else's experience and say, you know, based on how they did that and how it found it, it might have been this or that. But if somebody says, well, just with scripture, no, there's no scripture. I mean, there's no scripture that's going to tell me that that person over there rolling on the floor has a demon. I mean, there's just no scripture that says that. So, you know, and so you just have to say, I don't know, you know, and again, it's like, is this about other people? It's not on the Bible, brother. Why do you believe it? Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah. Well, see, that's a good question. I mean, well, part of the things that we explored in the video was there are some things that kind of look like that in the Bible, you know, and, and that's another thing too. Actually, that's funny. You bring that up is this kind of concepts of argument from silence where if the Bible doesn't say it, then it's not true. Okay. So you just didn't use the I mean, he went full 33 years without ever using the bathroom. And it's like, come on, you know those things. Like, no, no, no, it's the same logic. It is the same logic. I mean, so, and I'm not saying that makes it true. And I'm not saying it doesn't make it not true. I'm actually having a conversation with somebody about this right now. It makes it untestable. There's no way, there's no test that we could formulate to tell whether it's not it's true. I think that, you know, if you watch my video, I think there is a test and the test is the fruit, the fruit, like what happens when that person gets up, you know what I'm saying? And I guess the naysayers will say that it's still the same and coming back week after week and you know they'll tell you that there is no fruit there but for me and I'm sure for you you would a test that after some type of encounter like that there's a change, there's some kind of kind of like inward reflection or again lifting your burdens, whatever that means to you. There's some type of fruit from those encounters, right? But it's also, and I've heard that a lot of people would say that, look at the fruit, not just with that, but with anything. But it turns out that that's actually pretty subjective, like it's hard to, like for instance, people would be like, well, look at the fruit of Benihan. It's obvious that he's a heretic. Well, thousands of people have claimed to be healed So that doesn't count as fruit, no, it doesn't. You know, you got to look at his personal life. It's like, why is it your personal life? Like, where are these standards coming from? Everything is subjective, like you're saying. It comes down to consciousness and your experience. It really does. And so why argue about someone's subjective experience? But they have to come to the fact that they have to say yes to that. And maybe they will. A lot of them, I think, if they're continuing to do the inner work and they're working, they're really our seekers, and they're really, eventually, I think a lot of them come to that. I think Billy Graham came to that. I really do. I think some of the stuff we've heard Billy Graham say, a test to something similar, and, but many would even call him a heretic because of some of the things he was affiliated with, and he's talking about universalism, and God, you know, having people, and other religions that are his children, and stuff like that. So that's the interesting thing about it, You know, it's all subjective or or yeah, I say subjective or relative, but they don't want to hear that. They's a true, this truth, the brother, the truth is like, you know, yeah, I'm willing to talk about it. And if somebody feels like they can formulate an argument and it's verifiable, for me, it's all about verifiable. It's not if you just say if you just come with an argument, yeah, sometimes things seem reasonable. like you can make an argument and it'll seem reasonable. I'm not really interested in things that just seem reasonable because almost everybody can do that. I want something observable. So if you have chapter and first that says it, that's kind of where I come down on it. But I'm always open to have that discussion. You know? Yeah, I mean, I'm with you, you know? But again, chapter and verse might tell you that the dog don't bite. You get next gift of the dog and the dog bit the hell out of you. You know, it's like, don't go by your experience, brother. Go by what the word says. And it's like, whose example of what the word says? You know, the majority, a lot of people, their example of what the word says was Fred Phelps. That was their example of true Christianity. And a lot of them have said no to that Christianity because of an example like him or name however many other cult leaders or people who have done a bad job at representing the faith, you know what? And that gets into a lot for me, that really helped me show more compassion with people who said no was the fact that I don't think they were saying no to Jesus, I think they were saying no to that kind of thing. But just to talk to those people and see, and you know, a lot of the people I've talked to over the years, I've had people come on in the show that I thought we were going to, was one lady, I always used this example. She wanted to talk about how your pets are intuitive and how your pets can look at you and tell you that they're hungry or want to go outside and they can kind of send you that thought telepathically. And when we were talking about that, I was like, okay, it's interesting, whatever, it's talk about it. And then I said something about the Lord and then like, for the next, you know, hour and a half, we're talking about the Holy Spirit and how Jesus changed their life and I thought I was going to be talking to this lady about the psychic abilities of dogs and stuff you know. We tend to again like I said at the beginning judge of books by their covers and generalize oh that's the Bible. I deal with that with the New Age community because I draw myself in the middle of them and when I mention God I can look at some of them and they just their face changes and oh what's up? Well you don't like that word. Your father was a preacher and he left your mom and with the okay that shows but it's not Christ that's not that's not God you know what I'm saying but getting to the bottom of again the human condition you know I think the Bible speaks to that I think that God speaks to that and it's a it's a daily communion and it's beautiful it changed it changed your life and so it's about walking in the spirit and communion and stuff like that. So for you, you have those practices of prayer and getting in the Word and because you really, being, you know, being a big into the apologetics and stuff like that and being a student of the Word, you don't really come across as one who would be, and I don't even know what stereotype that's supposed to be as one who would be into the signs and the wonders and the miracles and the annoying team and you know all of the benny hen stuff you definitely come off as one who is just a student of the word which we know that we know that that's not a strong point maybe that's projecting as well you know that's not a strong point of word not word of faith charismatic it's more we'll give you one scripture and we'll dance on that scripture for two hours you know we'll sing that one course for two hours you know so as far as you and your spiritual routine or praying and reading and fasting and those kind of things, you have a regular practice of that stuff, listening to worship music and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I do mornings, emotional, with some different books that I have. We do Bible studies with the family and prayer time, yeah, praying the spirit is definitely a big part of that. That's what's up. books that I really stood out to you outside of the scriptures. I'm going to get hate for this, but I really love E.W. Kenyon. He's said some crazy stuff. I'm not going to lie. But the stuff that he got right is very, very edifying. So I spent a lot of time reading him. I also like Kennedy again. But honestly, I'm always looking for new stuff. So my thing again is, can I read it for myself in the Bible? And a lot of preachers don't present that information. So I just tend to kind of shy away from them and just kind of go with whoever can give me chapter or verse for what they're saying. Yeah, I mean that's that was my thing for like you know venturing outside of whether it was studying outside of the Bible again like you said there's just different people that teach you how to study a little bit different they could show you something that you haven't seen talking about the same stuff whether it's somebody outside of the of Christendom or your denomination but then you come back and filter it through the word and I remember just like writing down like all of these scriptures and I mean I have no books I'm sure you do too of just like referencing back what the Bible says about this and what the Bible says about that and what about this and you know I think it says a lot for the cognitive dissonance of wanting to challenge yourself right wanting to I don't know about wanting to be wrong but open to be wrong you know open to change And again, at the end of the day, truth stands for itself. And if the Scriptures are truth, then if your experiences are real, they'll survive going through the Scriptures and making it through that plumb line, if you will, or sifter, I try to sift everything through it. Yeah. Same. It's the word. So, man, I appreciate your coming on here hanging. I would, man, I do like your videos, man. Really good. Keep it up. House Facebook treatin' you with the algorithms and stuff. You havin' it, spend money and stuff to get out there to new people or did they kinda catch on and then just start gettin' shared organically? How does that, has it been workin' for you? We, I've got one viral video of a prophecy that Kenneth Hagan made back in 1963 and that thing's goin' pretty crazy right now. But by and large, yeah, there's somethin' goin' on and I'm just kinda, yeah, yeah, yeah, It's been that money, you know, and, but you know, I trust God and I'm believing God for to make a way and to reach people and we're starting to get contraction on YouTube. So, yeah, it's working out. Good stuff, man. Well, again, I appreciate it, man. Do you have any links that you want to send people to go check out or websites or what would you want to send them? Yeah. Oh, you mean, I'll thought my head. I mean, not really. I mean, are you just search the objective to deliver on YouTube or Facebook and we do have a website, be abjectiveblog.com. They want to check that out. Oh, you say we, who are you got with you? Oh, it's just me. Yeah, I hear that's like a professional way of saying things. I know, I do too, you know what? Because it's the spirits that are with you. They keep speaking to himself and there would say stuff, That's the little stuff they look for man, the heresy hunters when they're gonna come for you man, they're coming Hey, I appreciate it man, and we'll have to do it again and let me know when you got new videos and Put them out there. I'll share them for you man. Thanks so much for hanging out with me. I appreciate it Yeah, thanks man. I appreciate it. All right Scott. Blessings bro. All right, you too. All right, peace Scott Newell ladies and gentlemen the objective believer Good stuff enjoyed it talking about the Word, talking about the Scriptures, talking about faith, being objective, subjective to truth. For sure, man, you got to understand that, man, people believe what they believe for a reason, because what they were subjected to, what they were subjected to as a child, what would you taught? You got to unlearn, man. You got to unlearn that stuff. I'm interested in it. Most people don't care. They just let you know that you're in error and we need to let you know why you're wrong. I want to know why you believe it. Oh, wow. Okay. I see why. I think there's I know why then we can help you unlearn, but it's not that it's my job or even my desire to help you unlearn. Listen, if those beliefs, no matter how cookey they are, are serving you, look, peace, more power to you, long as it's about love and helping people, you know, if you're out here attacking people and all that kind of stuff, then then I will serve you up, let you know you're in the wrong. So look man, I hope y'all enjoyed it, I enjoyed it, good talk, stimulate the mind, the conversation, and you know maybe you know I think you would have to be in religion in some of these circles to even know these different factions within Christianity. There's so many factions and I do really just we name like two or three but there's a whole bunch of them. Those are like the big ones, I guess, but there's so many. So, uh, again, do not, the thing is, it's not, don't, don't be a partner to any of those factions. Be a partner of Jesus, the Christ, love, be a partner, partner with love today, ladies and gentlemen. It'll change your life with that. I'm gonna say peace and shalom. Thank you guys for all the support. If you want to support me on patreon patreon.com backslashtrusica with that peace piece. We'll do it again later. --- Untitled --- Look at that, just like that, I love talking about. You wanna chill up? Yeah, yeah, you need something. Like, well, I love you with a talking about like, M.R.E.E.E.E.E.E. There you go. Now the backpack can be good about that. That pack. That pack can be back. The backpack over here. They're back that way. Yeah, there's the females. Excuse me, where's your male backpack, Seth? Your male backpack? Like, backpack, you know what I'm saying? Okay, thank you very much. That's the one I first went out of the car. That's a nice one right there. Oh, so you want to get some snacks to put it out or put it out of the vlogs, and then go for it. Rockin' and rollin', makein' it happenin', and to lose it, Lord of God. Yeah, hopefully somebody else meets it somewhere else between here in California and do the same thing, man. Yeah, you was on the right road traveling the right path the day, buddy Might need to go grab a buddy, huh? We're all in the pin wheel He heavy Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the option is the blessing. The greatest baby we gave it in. There it is right there. Bless him. Bless him. Bless him. Bless him. Bless him. That's right. That's right. Every day's a blessing. Every day. As long as you look at it that way. Now we wake up and breathe and we got some opportunity. That's blessing. The energy is real. Excuse me. Red. Bull. Haha. Gotta have it. You get on. I can't remember that. What the fuck you got? What the fuck? The fuck? The fuck? The fuck? The fuck on my friend? What? He's at least six 15, with the brother right there. Oh, good. Oh, good. That's a good answer. What's up, man? You guys? I'm sorry. No, don't. Don't, don't, don't, don't. Get in the door. What's all about right there, man? Make it somebody's day. Chris, man, how'd you walk down the road and cut the ball into a come-up like that, man? Come up like that man. How do you do that? You gotta teach me that man. I got it. I got to learn how to do it, man He's probably did somebody going to do right here right here right here So I could do that's what's up This is where it's at right here ladies and gentlemen so where's that so where's that I think that's it. It is. Oh my god. All right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, thank you much, we're in here, look at this one, here's the AC, boom, in there, got you a little spot for the evening. Is it really work? Okay. You're right. You're right. You want your face here. You show it up a little bit. You like to keep the light. And I can burn it in. And I want it out really well. Take it in. And keep the light. You want it to light. Oh, we need to do it. Okay. I'm going to do it. You need to do anything? No. I'm going to move this chair. I'm going to set this up with the torch. All right. This is Chris before. Allie gets a hold of it. Let's see what it's going to look like. Years They're back down See All right, boom, there he is right there, press all the way in the game. Four and after baby, there he is, how you feeling man? Nice, look great bro. I'm looking fresh, look better than me. Boom, Mr. Chris. I think Chris got your work big though. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we're gonna go eat some meat, we'll get some Mexican. Yes sir, we're checking out man, we'll be picking back up shortly. Basically, baby. We're here. Let's get it Through secret Chris and flowing on the camera Going in Taco is a margaritas baby. Uh-oh, look at on the glass right there rimmy. Oh, I'm getting out on you. Yes, sir I guess a game. What has it got on Thank you, brother boom in here in the restaurant boom just like that we'll look at it menu check it out I have good vibes about this place you're pretty good she's dipshowed it now now you good bubmus thank you boom bam bam so that's you and you wow hold on here's man too who would be the crib big dog style have an up top mouth oh that's you huh I think I can do it like that thing, but that hasn't happened. All right, oh nice, it's cool. No, I appreciate that. All right, there it is, right there, let's do it. Something new. The toilets, the toilets are green. Right here, try it out, how was it? To try it, so we got it. But you got a wine in it, like a little wine. That's why I didn't go ahead. Wine, it was good. Oh, very good, very good. We all know that things haven't liked them. We like it's a blessing man. I don't ever see it like an accident. I'm gonna meet up with somebody like this And you was willing to accept us No, not who we are. They're up from Adam. So you don't know who we are. I'm trying to be able to accept this man We just like to know that You know as we're helping you as a person who helping us Worked for all the way the place. It was actually walking by right. Well, they sent us a Singapore back in February 2020 this year Of course, you got the pandemic going on. It's all crazy. We get over there Cross the two since they can drink and flake if he get caught with more than 400 grams of wheat it's attached to it. Thank you. Let me take something. Can you steal something? No. They chop your limbs off. They're still something. I didn't realize it significantly. Are you stole something? No. I don't talk. This is the same thing to talk about. Anyway, this is a big one. Hey, I know. But seriously, don't. Every Sunday, the prison they have, they have the heavy headings, and they have flashies. Public. Everybody gets to come in the public. Public. It's theory, real. Let me take something. That is the most beautiful conscience place. When you walk in and you meet somebody, they're like, how are you doing? They're looking junior eyes and ears. They really are. They don't want their friends because they might be cute. I can't put that in the video. I can't put that in. I can't put that in. I can't put that in. Oh, look at that. Bam. There he is. Move time. Let's take him out. Boom, he brought it. Hey, I'm looking at it. My man, stacked up, ready to ride. Let me take him out. Jeng, Jeng. We're going to blast the waves. We're going to blast the waves. We're going to blast the waves. We're going to blast the waves. Why not? Why do you mean blast the waves? Boom, let's say you're blessed with the waves. Just like that. Boom. Why not? Just like that. Look at that. Hey, let's go. God, I do it. God, it's faithful. I just need to really do things. Yeah, we just started. Yeah, we just started. It's a blessing. Yeah, it's definitely a blessing, man. It's always good to be able to connect it. Drinking good, eating good, stomach filling for real good. Look at that. Watch stomach, look. Oh, that was slimming. Oh, check them out. Cool. What up, watch slimming on? Yeah, you ain't low. It's pretty thin for this one. Keep the same, sir. He turned out, yeah, he chipped out on that one. I'm gonna be straight up with you about that. Hey, people take things, people take things different ways, man. That man just, you should see his eyes. Says a lot. Those things says, man. You can see him in the video. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, dude, dude. I don't want to burn you up, though. That's the loser, man. It's all good. Well, good blesses, man. Yeah, good blesses. Yeah, sure. You been on it, man. So we just tried them. I'm in college, bro. I got a paid $5,000 but I'll just $11,000 for the $10,000 in there. What do you mean to me, brother? Absolutely, man. God is good. He's faithful. Yo, it's our last shot for the day, so Chris, man. Yeah. What do you think? Oh, it's good. Good. Have fun? Oh, yeah. We did too. I just had a blast, man. Oh, nothing better. So what did we do? So we picked you up. We went and took you to get a bunch of cool stuff, some new clothes, shoes, all that kind of stuff, some groceries, some smokes, whatever. Got the hotel for you, got the nice haircut. That one looking clean. You say that man ain't clean, I'm gonna come through that camera, that man's looking good. Fade, line up, all of this stuff, shout out to Allie for doing that. Shout out to Allie. Then we just went and made some good Mexican. that was good and then now you know we tell them we're back here at the hotel it's one of the bless you and so let's see I got a few more dollars I want to bless you with it's all that camera please okay I don't know how it's alright so tell me I got that so there's a 100, 200, might not make it 300, let me give it a calendar. Four, six, eight, 10, 20, as I know, 120, so it's 420 bucks. We want to bless you with, man, make sure you can get there, you know, and the only thing we ask, you know, it wasn't free. Pay it forward. Yeah. And on top of that, I would love to bless you with that money. I didn't bless you with that. We have a lot of people who donate and give to what we're doing as a bunch of people who said they funded this. So if you don't mind, just I guess in the camera man, just for the people watching, just let them know, thank you, you know what, what it meant to, you know, a bunch of people watching. He feels it. He needs it, man. Thank you, guys. Everybody who donated, we're going to give you guys a shout out at the end of the video. And so if anything else, you just really made this guy's day with just a blessing out of nowhere. So Chris is a blessing to meet you. You're really blessing and it's awesome. My life is better now that I know you, Yeah, absolutely. For show, man. So where's your other job, you know, you enjoy the room? You know, enjoy the money, man. And have fun. Get your California man and do it big. Then I want to see what you're paying. Take yourself, please. All right. Take yourself. He's about some cool structure. I'll partner. All right, again, thank you, everyone who donated to make this video possible. It meant the world. Thank you. It was a vision and a dream that I had or something that I wanted to do. And you guys funded it, man. And we was able to pay it forward together. We're a co-creators. If anybody wants to see another video like this, it wants to donate to the cause. I'm gonna leave another GoFundMe link in the description, give to that when it reaches a couple hundred dollars. We will go out and we'll do the same thing again. We'll find another person. And man, I know we really made this person's day for sure. So I'm gonna give a shout out and thank you to the following people, Justin Cuffner, Amanda Ferras, Jennifer Hell, Danny Guerrero, boy Johnson, Jamie Rutman, Marino Torres, Jessica Younger, Pia Hardwood, Christie Johnson, my main man Brian Jones from the Cave Ministries, Jericanto, Kiffin Griffith, Gabriel Erevitt, Carlito Carlos Martinez, Gideon Alde, every day, shout out to Johnny Iron from the Fringe Radio Network, thank you brother, Debbie George, Lionel Anderson, Matt Hatchet, thank you brother, Gothic Mystic, Kristen Areas, Mary Carrier, Claire Burt, and Christopher Horton. Thank you guys for believing in the work and continuing to find this. I had so much fun and we really blessed this guy, man. Thank you guys, peace and blessings. Justin, you guys think the same bro? Man, shout out to God, man. I see any word today, man, and totally melted my heart, man. It's shout out to God for everything he does. I thank God for brothers like this, and I thank God for people like you guys, man, to donate and to see something inside. What God can do, man. God bless each and every one of y'all, man. Shalom, peace. Thank you.
