Tim Freke | The Deep Awake | How Meditation Practice Induces Spiritual Awakening

Time Freke
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Hey, what's up guys, truth seeker here.
I love interviewing people who are interesting, who have been to similar places that I have
been in spirituality and in the dream state and exploring the mind and consciousness and
things like that, just to roll other questions and ideas off of them.
And so that's pretty much what you're going to get this episode.
A lot of things that I've experienced in the dream state, talking to Tim Freek who was
a phenomenal guest, very well spoken, stayed on subject, it was a great interview from
start to finish.
So had a great conversation with him and really focusing on how to stay in that state
and go into those states and pull things out where we're talking about your dreams and
ideas in your future and actually go into the dream state, make stuff happen and pull
it out and bring it into this reality and manifest it.
And so this is what Tim is talking about in the interview and it's really cool because
we fluctuate from these different levels of vibration.
Sometimes we feel like we're in sync and other times we feel like we're the furthest
thing away from anything spiritual.
But at the same time we're to embrace every situation as it comes.
One of the key things that stood out to me whenever we started taking calls was that one
One of the guests called in and asked about the term as above so below, and I believe
in synchronicity, and those things just blow your mind, and when you're walking in the
spirit, when you have the spiritual lifestyle, synchronicity happens a lot more often,
and it's almost the universe giving you a pat on the back, letting you know you're on
the right path.
And so, one of the guests called in and asked about the term, what does it mean as above
so below?
we go into detail about that but it was so interesting because last night me and my daughter watched
the movie as above so below and so to hear that that phrase or hear that term repeated right after
it's almost just like a just the universe letting you know you're on the right path I've had so
many messages come through through synchronicity some of them just blow your mind I mean I've had
people being on the telephone with me and them driving through another state in a car drive by
with my bumper sticker on the back. It's a seat-truths-truths-sigga.com, while they're on the phone with me and
different things like that. That was for them. And it's something that it just interests me, man. So
we talk a little bit about that and really hard to stay in the deep, awake state. Enjoy, guys.
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What's up ladies and gentlemen, thanks for joining us with another exciting episode of the Truth Thinker Podcast
finally got all this stuff up and running. I know today is going to be a very
special episode. I'm going to be joined by my good friend Tim Freek and we're
going to be speaking about the deep awake state and different techniques to
stay in that meditative state and in the power of now to create the life that
you want for yourself and make things happen. So this is really powerful and
this is what all of our shows are about about being in the now moment because
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I put his image up on YouTube
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and all kind of stuff.
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He's been waiting patiently
while I try to get this mess sorted out.
Man, thank you for your patience, brother.
I'm delighted to be here.
Man, thank you so much.
So you got a lot of books under your belt.
That's one of the things.
You have a lot of resources, a lot of materials.
And I heard you on the Freeman Show
and you were talking about the deep awake state
in these different states that we go through
throughout life.
And I've been there, I've come out of it
and that's kind of what you were touching on a little bit
that I wanted to go into about how to stay in that state.
And so one thing that you mentioned with Freeman
was about the newness of it.
And so I know a lot of times when there's information
that comes when we explore the dream state,
the astral realms and stuff, it's all new
and we're excited and blown away.
And it changes our vibration
we're kind of walking in this. Everything's new. Everything is spiritual. We see things differently,
but then sometimes bills kick in, family, stress, depression, punches you in the face and brings
you back to reality. How do we stay in that state? Because you, because you said that we could,
how do we stay in this place of its new all the time? And we feel the euphoria from the love of God
the Kundalini and we can stay in that state, right? How do we do that, man?
That's I think that's what people need to stay in because it's like a rollercoaster sometimes.
Well, I think the thing we need to think about it very carefully because I think it can
you can easily mistake this the idea that you can stay in a permanent state like you know you're there
and then I worry all the time yeah yeah and I not only do I do nothing as
possible I don't think it's desirable so what I was saying previously I can't
remember what I said but it wasn't it wasn't meant to imply that because one of
the things I suppose that happened for me is that's what when I was your
agent younger I was very much coming into a spiritual situation in my culture
where that where we inherited a lot of Eastern ideas and with this there was this
idea of this permanent enlightenment. And having been around it now for many, many decades,
that has gone and the people that I've met that were enlightened turned out not to be.
I have a very different perspective. So the first thing is, look, the first thing is just,
there is this deep awake state. And what characterizes the deep awake state is a shifting
consciousness where it's unique. I'm sure to everyone, but there's common threads which are found
throughout history and around the world, which is where I've written all these
different books on all these different spiritual traditions, there's a human
state and that human state is when you are super alive and with that comes a
profound sense of communion and oneness and a confidence, a very deep
knowing of something and the knowing that the way I would say it is that life
And this is okay that despite all of the horrors and the bills and the things which are
really not that okay underneath, what we're in here is good and matters.
And then most important of all this that you mentioned is love and sometimes also beautiful
euphoria.
You know, this feeling of uplifted spirit which is quite, I mean, it's just exquisite.
Now, I do feel it's very important to, well, for many people, it's like, you know, the
first time, I'm with many people who experience this for the very first time and it's
a very big shift.
And then it's important to get to know the state and return to it to find it whenever
you can.
Because as you do that, what happens is not that you stay in one state, I mean, to be honest
with you. I don't know, but it's like for you, but when I am in that deep euphoria side,
I couldn't deal with my accounts or my mortgage or I'm like, that's just not going to
happen or my kids indeed. So it's not about being permanently blist out. It's more for me
anyway about having access to this deep state when it's appropriate. So when I was younger,
my experience was waking up oh my god oh lost it and then oh I hate this and I
hate this and then oh my god and I hate this right and then what's changed over
the decades isn't that I'm permanently like this you know or that I'm super
enlightened or it becomes sort of uber being or anything nothing like that's
happened what's happened is much more interesting is that this deep state is
always accessible now so that if I put my attention on it it's there now but
that doesn't mean up if I sink into it it can become that ecstatic place but
but that's always not the right thing to do but I don't lose it anymore and
that and the secret to it is in me it sounds but now people want a magic bullet
oh you you know cross your fingers and just go breathe through your nose five
times every day. It's much more obvious. The way you get to that point is you just
pay attention. Like anything else, you're doing this and you do it well because you've done
it enough times and you've paid it attention. If you play a musical instrument the first time
you pick it up you can't really play it. How do you learn to play? You just keep playing. Keep
doing it. And if you do it enough times, it becomes familiar.
Yeah, we talk about a lot of times like all the world religions.
I don't know about all of them, but the majority that have a spiritual practice and have this spiritual
ecstasy within their practice, even if it's not in the holy books, like they kind of turns into
maybe a church service and the music is playing in your in that state and the holy spirit comes
upon you and you feel one with God and nothing else matters and the bills don't matter and just
love and God and I'm accepted for who I am like this is the same thing we're
talking about whether it's the kundalini or it's you know something that you
feel during yoga just being mindful and so with something like Christianity
someone who goes to church every week they have this routine of like if I
have a week that is crazy and I barely made it through the week Sunday or
Wednesday, I'm going to get back to this place of the euphoria of God loves me.
Let them pour his love out on me and feel it and get back there.
You on the other hand have meetings that you hold and it's not really a religious ceremony
or religious meaning, but it teaches people to be in that presence of God or the presence
of oneness and feel the euphoria of love.
So if someone who doesn't have a religious routine every week, how would we do that?
Is it just fine time when we are can or would, I mean, you know, you know, really
very impressed.
Really great questions.
Before I answer, I'm going to give you a little quote.
I can't remember what I mentioned this to Freeman Ollie.
It's one of my favorite quotes.
So it does come out every man again.
I just love it.
It's from Thomas Moore, the American writer, his Jungian, and he wrote the care of the
soul.
Lovely, lovely man.
I adore him.
And in one of his books, he had this line, which I just love.
I love it, really, because it's got words
and I would never normally use.
It's absolutely absolute and unforgiving.
I never use these words, but in this context,
I'll just throw the quote at you
and I think it's really capture something.
And you said at one point, the soul has an absolute
and unforgiving need for regular excursions
into enchantment.
I love that.
The soul has an unforgiving
an absolute need for regular excursions into enchantment.
And that's what you're talking about.
We don't live in the enchanted state.
And it's right, we don't.
We need to move between states.
No one's awake all the time.
Literally, in the Dalai Lama goes to sleep at night.
The level of consciousness is fluctuating all the time.
It's getting late here.
In a few hours, I'll be feeling tired.
I might just want to watch TV for half an hour
and relax with my wife.
I'm not going to be like, it's just going to be like,
Right now, I just need to chill and that's okay. Yeah, so you know, it's fine
But like you said what you need to build in is regular
Excursions into enchantment so that you just remember on a regular basis and if you if we do that
Then the journey stays alive if we don't do that
The journey goes black and white doesn't it goes dead and suddenly it caught in it and it's on top of you and you've forgotten
You're alive and being alive doesn't sound very good. So how do you make sure?
or that you stay in touch.
That's where you need either a community or a practice.
Now, the great thing with what's happening now
is that these communities and practices
can involve online connection,
like exactly like we're doing there.
It doesn't have to be your locality,
it doesn't have to be well,
what's on offer, the religion you were born into, no more.
Now, everything is on offer.
So you can find the thing that's right for you.
What I offer is a way of connecting physically
we can with people but also through these other things which allows you to develop a practice
of remembering and the things which I teach and you can go out right now if people are interested
and download a meditation which will take you half an hour in the short ones too which you
know which you can do whatever you want and it will take you to this deep awake state and if you
get used to it and that feathers load to them on that because what it's about is about paying
attention to your deepest beer. It's my learning to notice who you are beyond your body.
That's easy. There's this deeper level to us, isn't there? There's this body you can see right now
waving at you. There it is. But actually, there's something behind that. There's psyche,
what used to be called soul, mind, imagination. There's something which is on another level.
It's not made of matter, but it's connecting with you. These words are coming from it.
So you're aware of that, and then this deep thing that really marks out all of the mystical
traditions, all the deep traditions, is that there's even a level beyond soul which gets called
spirit or numa or nouse or upman in the east of Buddha nature, doesn't matter what you call it.
And that's your, that's your, your being, which is your deep being as the
experience or of this moment. And, and the deep meditation is about paying
that attention. And when you pay that attention as, and as you learn how to do
that, the deep awake state just arises of itself. There's nothing in the way,
you don't have to get rid of your ego, you don't have to modify your body,
everything, you just let yourself be as you are. You're fine. In fact, I appreciate
yourself as you are. And just notice this deep, deep level to your being, which is the
witness. It's awareness itself, witnessing this moment. And if you can, if you find a way through
meditation, and that's what I can cut off it, to come back into that deep being, there's this
profound oneness and this incredible all embracing love, which just is just there waiting to be
discovered. What are some of the other things that you're able to pull out of that state? Because
It's almost like you commune with your higher self, like there's something watching over you
or guiding you that knows what you need, what your life journey is supposed to be,
and when you go into that state, you get inside about what to do, and if you go deep enough how
to do it, you get the steps and things like that. That's beautiful because we're able to pull
things out. We go in, pull things out, bring it into manifestation in our reality, which is
beautiful practice. And I, you know, I found myself teaching people that all the time and doing it,
but, and we talk about it like, it is this enchanted state, which it is and there's a need for it,
I believe. But what about the people who don't go to that state and they're able to do those things
just fine, which is have a career being, you know, creativity, you know, walking their destiny in
they're calling and they have never even stepped a foot in that realm or not on purpose. Maybe
they have. Maybe they, you know, throughout life, they've been, you know, maybe they have.
And I think that's just a key thing. One of the, you know, I've been around, I had a spontaneous
awakening when I was 12 and I've been involved in spirituality one way or another ever since. So
that's a long time now as I'm getting older, you can see, but I'm up here, you know, getting old
there and so it's been quite a few decades for me and my relationship in that time
spirituality has changed considerably because I you know it annoys me quite a bit
now because it seems very stuck and one of the things is is that it sees this awakening as
only happening to people who read spiritual books or do spiritual practices you know
people often say to me, who was your greatest teacher? And when I answer, you know, I've answered that
with real honesty, my deepest teacher was my mum, who didn't read spiritual books, didn't think
about philosophy, but just naturally inhabited this deep awake state and was full of love and everyone
saw it and was totally giving and you could just tell. And she taught me it was natural. Now,
Now, for me, I've come at it through books and writing books and reading and meditation
and Tai Chi and ayahuasca and God knows what, everything, I could let my hands on.
But she didn't.
She came in a completely different way.
And so what I see is that this awakening, which is happening, is natural and it happens
to people anyway so that it doesn't require a spiritual tag because it can just occur anyway.
Now, those who are drawn to spirituality were drawn because we want to consciously engage
with the process and good for us. That's great. But make no mistake about it,
the most awake people person you might need may not even think about any of us.
Yeah. Because the telltale sign really is the love and that sense of connection with something
bigger than themselves, which can go very deep. And they've done it throughout their life
either knowingly you know and people can discover it and so so that there really is you know you
can come in it through all these different spiritual traditions and you can come in it through no
spiritual tradition because it's inherent to what life is yeah that's the big like enigma of it all
is like we teach to go in into those states and pull stuff out but I'm like people are you
know people who aren't drawn to that they're probably just like what are you talking about like you
don't need all of that, but it's, it's what works. It works.
Yeah, that's the key thing. You know, the important thing it feels to me is that each person
has the deep self-empowerment to follow the thing, which is right for them, because every
soul is different, you know, has a different past, has a different agenda. And mine is,
I mean, I love philosophy. I love all of this. I suspect yours might be too, but not everyone.
what we need to do is contribute in this way and if we're doing our best to manifest what is
best in our souls to the world then we can help other people do the same even though they may
be coming at it a very different route. So I see my experience is very much like it sounds like
yoursos which is if the more I have cultivated the steep way of state and not as something again
for me it's not really a spiritual practice anymore I do because I like it. I do it because it's
fun. I do it because it's what else would you want to do? It's like do you want to live
hard to live? The older I get, the more alive I need to be because you just think I ain't
going to be that long left because I'm going to make the most of this. And so I want to be alive.
As much as I can, I want to be as creative as I can. And these are the same thing. When I'm awake,
I'm in touch with the creativity of the universe. So no surprising, I can see things in a different
way when I'm not so awake then it's I'm much more likely to be caught in
repetitive patterns and it looks like oh I've got no way out I'm just stuck in
this thing and yet a minute I'm awake it's like there's a million possibilities
and and like you said you you think it doesn't the mind in spirituality one of
things that pisses me off about is that it has a real down on the mind
often you'll hear the minds of problem or just stop thinking I don't know
and what people are talking about.
Mind is a beautiful thing, but like everything,
it can be very repetitive and,
or it can be lucid and clear and full of insights.
And that's what happens when you enter a more wasted.
The mind becomes this sort of,
you know, that lovely, oh my God, look at it like this.
Oh, God, I just thought we could do this,
or, and that experience of insight.
And behind it all, don't you think it's so important
have a confidence. It's actually faith in its deeper sense, not faith in a set of dogmas,
but faith in life. A real faith that makes your enables you to take a risk because you know
that it's okay. It's okay even if you fail. Even death is okay.
Yeah.
When you see that, when you realize that even death is okay, then you're free to actually
lives. That's the most profound experience that I had, even as a believer, like, you know,
growing up in the Christian church and having my, it's static encounters in that system.
And then, you know, the whole thing about Christianity, a lot of people come to it to kind
of know where they're going to go when they die and have this, you know, security in place.
But even then, on a really strong psilocybin encounter, I went to that place where you
go when you die, like that was what was communicated.
This is where you're going to go, and it's okay.
It's different.
There's no humans here.
There's energy, but you're here, but it's energy, and it was scary, but it was beautiful.
And then overcame that fear of death through this really strong psychedelic experience.
So, and I used to, I used to tout on being able to achieve those states without psychedelics
or ayahuasca.
You don't need that.
You could do it through these strong states of meditation and things, right?
And which I still believe, but I think that those deep ayahuasca encounters or psilocybin
encounters are needed and it is something almost totally different.
Like it's not the same thing, right?
What was your, like, big awakening when you were 12?
Did it include the...
No, I was very lucky.
I mean, I was just, I used to sit on this hill
as a boy looking at it just in a small time
in the southwest of England where I grew up
and where I still live pretty close.
And just looking at all these adults running around
and thinking, why are they pretending
they know what's going on?
Because clearly they don't.
because we're in the middle of this breathtaking mystery.
I mean, my feeling for as long as I can remember
was I'm alive and first and foremost, I have to know why.
I wanna know what this is, what I have to do with it,
what's important, why is it like it is,
all those questions and I couldn't understand why anyone,
I still don't, if I'm honest.
I still don't understand why anyone
doesn't ask those questions.
Every day, every day I wake up and there it is.
I'm alive again.
What the hell is this?
What is it?
What's going on?
There's no sensations and thoughts and feelings and story
and what the hell is going on?
And then the universe goes off forever
and you look up to the sky and it's 100 million galaxies
and so mysterious.
How could you not be overcome by it?
And yet I look around me
and I see the vast majority of people that don't seem
to notice.
So as a kid that was obvious
and I think what happened to me,
Now, I didn't know what happened when I was young,
was that I went so deep into that mystery
that it always does if you go deep into the mystery,
it triggered an awakening.
And the next thing I know, there's this,
oh my God, the whole universe is full of love,
I'm crying, there's this profound oneness,
there's immense sense of goodness and a feeling,
like oh my God, the feeling that I can remember
was oh my God, I found the answer
that I need, it's just not words, it's beyond words.
Yeah, it's an experience.
And that's what I came down from.
And for me, it wasn't on drugs,
so I didn't have a connection with that.
At that time, I'd explore them later.
I wasn't in a church, although I did go up with a church
and I nearly became a friar twice when I was older.
But in that seminal moment,
I wasn't meditating, I was just sitting on a hill.
And I was a kid sitting on a hill.
And so for me, there's always been that sense.
that this is accessible and natural,
it doesn't need to be through some fixed form.
And the more I've gone into it,
the more I found it everywhere.
You can find it through drugs or ayahuasca, for sure.
And you can find it through meditation.
And you can find it through ecstatic dance.
Or you can just find it anyway,
without feeling the sun on your back.
That's like the powerful thing about it,
because once you remove the guru from the religions
and know that you don't need anything outside of yourself.
Like maybe people listen to this and they hear,
you know, hear us talk about the ayahuasca
or the psilocybin and they're like,
I'm not gonna have my awakening until I have that.
But the power behind it is almost like it says
in the scriptures that the kingdom of heaven is within you.
And you don't, and so that bursts this feeling
and notes us within you that you don't need
anything outside of yourself,
that all you have to do is kind of go with them
And even when we talk about meditation,
maybe some beginners would be like,
okay, how do I meditate?
What do I focus on?
But to kind of break that down is you don't even need
that ceremony or that ritual of like meditation.
You could just be going about your day and stop
and focus on your breathing
and bring all of your attention to the now moment
wherever you are.
People get overwhelmed in their day to day
where they can't just create this special place
of meditation to go in for 30 minutes or so.
but you can stop and you can focus on your breathing
and for what it does for me is it pulls me out
of the autopilot.
I get on autopilot in days and weeks go by
and I'm not conscious.
I'm just in the routine of work, of rest, of work,
of entertainment and I was like, man,
I haven't went into that state.
I haven't brought my attention to the breathing
or to the grass or the nature around you,
which can easily like that and you don't have to go in,
You just stop and just focus just at one moment.
And there it is, you have it within you.
You'd need nothing outside of you.
That's the beauty of it.
It really is and what we offer each other
from the outside is what I try and do is I go,
look, I've had the luxury of been a very, very lucky life.
I've been able to experience this very deeply,
write about it, da da da da.
So anything I can offer to others before I pass it off to the next bit of the adventure,
I would like to do that. Nothing special about me, we're all exactly the same. That's the point.
And the whole point for me when people come to my retreats is they leave feeling empowered,
not leave, feeling like, oh Tim's great, it's like, well, I hope they think I'm great,
I think they're great. But at that point, the point is they feel, oh, I got it in me.
Yeah, because that's where you find it, and it's because the thing you're looking for is your
debuting, and the great secret of the heart of every mystical tradition is it turns out your
debuting is one with my great debuting and everything, everything, the being of everything.
So when you hit that, the depths of yourself, you're, so you're like on the surface where like
individual like waves on an ocean, but go to the depths and it's one ocean. And so that's where
when you as you cultivate a familiarity with the depths of your being there's this
oneness and then the love is how the oneness feels when you when you when you know
that we're all one there's this incredible love and not loving some it's not
like just pink fluffy love it's like really strong powerful support you in the
most awful suffering love and and it's a love which can carry you and go
right into the darkest, you know, I was talking about my mum recently, when my mum died a few
years back and being with her through all of that cancer and that older, it was like,
ah, but that love was still there to sustain us both. And even though it was horrendous on one way,
it was also beautiful and kind of strangely magic and as well, there was both of those things.
So my contribution and the thing which, which may be of use to people in my book deeper
awaken in my talks and notations is to try and take having studied all of these different
spiritual traditions is go how can we develop a philosophy for now which can speak directly
to what we need to wake up and how we need to think about things which cuts through all
of that kind of Eastern mysticism which is to do with another cultural is deep but it can
be very confusing and can cut through through the kind of
deadness of sometimes of our western tradition and find
its essence and then bring it to life in a new form and really
the last 10 or 15 years that's why I've been doing my friend
I've been developing a new 21st century approach to awakening
and the great thing is it works and I'm because I've now been
with I don't know what it is probably thousands I
a lot of people in countries all over the world where I've seen people wake up for the
first time or if they've woken up before and lost it, find it again in a very deep way.
And so I'm getting to the point now where I'm nervous to say because it sounds a bit
much but it's all, I do kind of feel like look every single person who comes can experience
this deep wake state so profoundly they feel the love in every poor in their body.
they just know, it's so powerful.
If they give themselves over to the experiment.
Yeah, and they just get it.
They just get it.
And you just see, you know, people arrive and they're like,
oh, can I get it?
Come here.
And then they just get it.
Yeah.
And it's nothing to do with me.
It's to do with all of us.
We take each other there.
And then of course, that doesn't stay like that.
Nothing stays like that.
But once you've had it, you've had it.
You know.
And then you've got somewhere to return to.
Exactly.
That's a really important thing.
Yes.
We could have now, we could have to people just listening to this.
My feeling, honest to goodness, my feeling is, if you say you want it, life will find a
way to give it to you.
Yeah.
Definitely.
Well, definitely.
And when people say, oh, I lose it, I can't stay awake.
My feeling is, are you paying attention?
It's a bit like sitting with a guitar on the corner and going, I still can't play.
And it's like, well, how often do you pick it up?
But if you want, and the reason I've had so much experience of it is because when I was
very young and all the way through my life, I really wanted it. It was really high on my
list, the top. I want this. I want to know what life is. I want to know who I am. I want
to experience that deep awake state, that oneness, that love, that's whatever it takes.
And of course what life did was gave me loads of opportunities to experience it.
Yeah. That's one thing that I can't say against organized religion, such as Christianity
because it's almost like they're preserving that and all of the things that happen in like a
charismatic or open church service as far as like speaking in tongues or you know what I'm saying
what is it called a glossala like there's something that's practiced by every religion
and they're still doing it so there's a beauty in like it's still being preserved it's still
teaching you to listen to the rhythm of the drum and go into hypnosis, even they won't teach
it like that. Like it is that they're still with keeping touch with that primitive side of our being
of something that's been practiced ever since we were here to go into those states man and to
to go in there and come out with tears and go out come out crying and stuff like that like what's
the parallels that you've seen because I mean because I totally believe it's the same thing when
When you feel that euphoria, I felt it in the Christian church and I felt it during Kundalini
yoga.
It's the same thing.
People get pissed at me in religion for saying that the Holy Spirit is the Kundalini and
it's the same thing, right?
But that euphoria, there's the difference, there's the difference, if there is one which
is not that they are different, it's just that people are involved in something which
is a rigid dogma.
it, that's it. Whereas as you explore, you realise, oh, it's all it.
Exactly. It's all it. It's the same thing. Yeah. And it's all, but each one has a different
tone of voice. And each one probably has a different problem that it hasn't dealt with.
Yes. And an obstacle, which is, if you get into it, you'll find, oh, that's not quite right,
is it? Each one's evolving. Each one you can get trapped in. Each one you need to move beyond.
And so the key thing is you making the journey and my feeling is, you know, I was involved
with, like I said, I almost joined a Franciscan friary when I was younger.
I thought that I was very close to doing that.
I also had an Indian guru who at the time I thought was God to turn that he wasn't.
You know, but I'm so grateful for each step because each step took me further.
The key thing is to keep moving, I think, to trust your own intuitions.
But try and avoid it to begin with it's hard, but it gets easier try and avoid thinking oh, this is it
Whatever it is that that the the faker arriving
Is the only thing which stops you traveling? Yeah, so did you think arrived you'll stop traveling?
Everything's working. I'm good. I learned everything. I need to know how to implement it without
Still going back to that state
Yeah, it's always fresh isn't it, you know, there's always a new challenge. It's always how can you love in this moment?
How can you love in this moment? Okay, now, you know, I've just been through a whole lot of things
With my accountant like my worst nightmare. Ah
Money and a tax and I hate all of that and then what do you know?
It's come my way. So then it's like well, how can you deal with that and not get lost?
And each one becomes an eye slip over and I get up and there's a great description by one of my mentors when I was younger who is now much, much older, rammed us.
The American teacher was with Tim Leary with all of the LSD.
And I remember him saying in his experience the spiritual path was step-fall up, brush, step-fall up, brush, step-fall up.
step and it's like yeah that's so rather than it being about why aren't I in
anything the whole time actually saying look the reason we're not in it the
whole time is because you're evolving yeah and evolution means you
move forward and moving forward means you see things you haven't seen before
so you know when I was young I wanted to be right now I want to be wrong
because every time I'm wrong I learned something
yeah and and something new opens up to be okay with that too that's a huge
level. I can't be wrong. And that's what's so beautiful about what you're doing.
So innocent is that you're not trying to get the followers. You're not trying to build
the cult. You're not trying to say, okay, next week I'll be back and you guys have to come to
me. It's like, you got no. I've given you what you need. Go out and give it to others,
almost like Jesus making the disciples sending them out to teach everyone else. You know,
versus like, okay, guys, come back. I have something more for you. It's like, no,
I'm giving you something within yourself and there's such an innocence to that because
That's not taught by the other religions like we have to have the people who come and eat from us
And we give them only enough to bring them back next week or or whatever and so that they're reliant on us
And then what people are in that system and they see that their guru or their leader is is a regular human like they are
And that person falls or they see them in a different light many people lose faith in what they were taught because their leader fell
or something like that. But what you're teaching is something that's independent for each
of us to go out and do it ourselves. That's where the innocence is and it's okay to be wrong.
I don't have all the answers, but I'm giving you a technique that does. Like if you go to this
special place, it's called, in the scriptures, it's called the secret place to go into the secret
place and pray, spend time with your Heavenly Father, and you'll know things, I think
it's Jeremiah 33, says come, it says, come into this place, and I will show you things
that you do not know and cannot find out.
And that's what's beautiful to me, because we go into this place to commune with the
one, and we learn things that we will never learn with studying a thousand years, and stuff
Nobody's even speaking on like we go into the state and pull out stuff like where did I get this from, you know
That makes me want to
Share with you or try out for people that are listening
One of my favorite quotes from the Gospel of Thomas the Gnostic Gospel
Because you know we talked about you know for me this meditation whatever you want to call it
It's simply looking at what is so you look at what is and what is is the moment
That's you're coming into the moment. That's what is isn't it? Have a look
there it is, but also oneself to know yourself. So that's seeing oh look on a body, there I am
really appreciating that. Whoa yeah body. Feel the air on my skin there was so we're having a heat wave
that's all sweaty, that's interesting. Oh that's interesting. What's that? Oh you know breathing,
well that's interesting. How does that feel? Wow, pretty amazing actually when you pay attention,
So that's body. And then it's like then they're solar. Then there's another dimension. Here it is
right now. It's the dimension, you know, in body, Tim's making funny noises. That's what's happening
in body. But in Seoul, in the imagination, there's meaning. And I'm sending meaning to you. I'm
moving my mouth and sending you meaning. I mean, that's incredible. And you're hearing meaning.
And we're connecting solar solar right now. That's incredible. So you explore solar.
wow that's interesting all these thoughts what a thoughts and an image is and and then
there's this other thing being spirit numa and and it's pointed to as there's a lovely line
in the in the gospel of Thomas which reminded me of the things of in Jeremiah but it's kind of
even more that Jesus says I will reveal to you what cannot be seen what cannot be heard what
cannot be touched and what cannot be imagined. And it reminds me, I love it, is it reminds me of a
quote from the panashats which is like five or even more hundred years earlier. And then you
panashats, it's almost the same but it's like a co-an or a riddle. You panashats, it says, what is it
that cannot be seen which makes seeing possible. What is it that cannot be heard
that makes listening possible? What is it that cannot be touched which makes
touch possible? What is it that can't be imagined which makes imagination
possible? And what I love about those is I think what they're pointing to is our
own deep being. And our deep being is what's looking, but it hasn't got any shape and it's got
no colour. Everything that's got a shape or colour is what it's looking at. But the thing
itself being awareness doesn't have any colour, doesn't have any shape. It makes no noise.
It's what's listening, but it makes no noise. It's what's feeling touch, but you can't touch it.
It has no, so the deep, mystical teaching at the heart of all of these different religions
that I've written about.
One of the deep teachings is, your deepest being has no form to it.
It's not in your experience.
Now, these are really deep ideas, but when you get it, you're seeing that what you
are right now, your bodies in your experience, your souls in your experience, that's your
individuality, but your being is before your experience.
It has no form, it just is.
It has no other qualities, it just is.
So you tune into, there's a fantastic mystical text
in the Christian tradition called the Cloud of Unknowing.
It's a medieval text.
And it talks about the need to become conscious
of your naked being, just that you are.
Not that you are this or you're that,
but just that you are your I am.
And if you take your attention and sink it back,
there's another wonderful text
that called the strangers and very early Gnostic texts.
And it says in the stranger that the goddess of wisdom
says to the stranger,
take your attention to the rear
or behind all your activity,
behind all your experience,
and just be conscious that you are.
And in deep meditation,
you can do it with your eyes open, you can do it right now.
But particularly, you can close down the senses
and retreat right back into your beard.
And there's this vast ocean of beard.
And suddenly there's this experience of vast oneness
and oceanic beard, which has just been there the whole time.
She didn't notice it before.
And you didn't notice it because you were it
looking out into experience.
And the difference is, now you're it,
reflecting back on yourself,
and seeing that you are this field of being,
you are this enormous presence,
a bit like you are the dreamer of this dream,
and then you see that your being is one with all being,
because it's formless, there's no barriers,
there's no cut-off points,
and that's when the love just there it is.
Then it cuts in, and the love comes into the body,
and there's that's what you call the ecstatic,
or the state, just this natural.
Yeah, it's naturally there.
So there's a lot of studying out there,
and I know you're saying not to try to be in that state
because we couldn't get anything accomplished.
There was a point in time,
and I'm pretty sure many people still believe that.
That that's the goal is to get there and stay there.
But it was like...
I do think it's great to want to do that,
and I encourage and I use a lovely aspiration.
I'm just saying it's more subtle than that.
It's more fluid.
Yeah.
feeling is, you know, what I want is to make it all accessible. So where do you need to go
right now? Do you need to put your attention? You've got this attention. It's fluid, isn't
it? You can put it wherever you want. You know, I can put it in my foot. I can put it in my nose,
I can put it out the window, I can put it in the future, I can put it in the past, I can bring
into the now. Where am I going to put my attention now? What am I going to do with my teaser?
It's the most precious thing I have. Now, if your attention's very limited and you can only move
between a few worrying thoughts or doing the same things over and over again, that's not very
interesting but if you can expand it your take where does it want to go does it
want to go into deep being whoa does it want to come into thinking let me
think does it want to come into feeling oh does it want to be sensation whoa
you can it's fluid so that you've expanded the range that you can explore now
for most of us the deep states are initially not accessible sorry excuse me
That's, uh, the, the deep stakes are not accessible so that we can't, you know, we need to learn
to be able to open them up. But the point is not to stay in one. It's, it's rather to have the
fluidity, that the attention, it can go there. Like I said, when I was younger, I couldn't get back.
Yeah. I'd go there and I couldn't get back. If you've become familiar with it, you can get back.
Yeah, but that's not because you live there.
It's because you're moving around.
Your attention is able to move around.
You're able to come and go freely.
Yeah.
So I think what some of the studies are saying,
and they kind of link that to the flow state.
Like once you get in there, then there's
a creative process that you're able to go into when you come
out of, right?
And you're like so linked there because you know it's real,
and you know who you are.
You carry that love with you.
And, but people are saying that those who try to stay in there or if you were to stay in there,
the state of mind is similar to psychosis or schizophrenic who is like always in this realm of
creativity or not able to kind of connect the arts together and things like that, you know.
My philosophy is what I call pathological philosophy which is really about embracing paradox
because the nature of what we're in is paradoxical.
You know, for instance, I've just said,
look, I'm a body which is a thing you can touch
and I'm a formless presence.
And I'm both of those at once.
That's how paradoxical it is, both of those at once.
Now, you can get just stuck in your separateness,
and that's pretty unpleasant.
But equally, you can withdraw into these deep states
and lose your humanity.
And a lot of that goes on.
and you reach there are clinically described conditions, like depersonalization,
de-realization. You know, I've been with people, you know, with most people I'm there going,
hey, wake up, there's something beyond your personality. But for some people, they're just going,
I've got no personality. I'm lost. I'm just this presence. It's like, well, no, you're not.
You need to get because that's also a distressing state. You need both, or it's great
when you see through and realize, wow, this is like a dream. But when you've only got a dream
and it's all unreal, that's horrendous. That's due realisation. So it's having both at once.
And that's when it's like, oh, I'm Tim, and this is real in its own way. And I'm the formless
presence dreaming the whole thing. And they're both true. And either extreme without the other
is kind of disastrous actually. It's kind of difficult and will lead to states of distress.
Yeah, I'm assuming that's the yin and the yang just being a part of the world to be
And the great thing about that yin and yang
Derek, which is why I love the symbol if it's in movement. It's not like black and white. Okay. Yeah
Yeah, yeah, that's that's like
Yeah, yeah, it's really it's dynamic. Why could life's dynamic?
It's gonna keep changing doesn't it like I said, I mean loving this conversation with you
And then I'm going to go and have a rest yeah, and you know
You different and then I'll go completely unconscious. It's okay. It's okay
That was the big thing for me to get to man like it it took a big leap for me
I talk about all the time now to where I
Can be the guru like I can be the you know the spiritual seeker who goes into those realms and receives information and
Speaking poetically and things like that and helping people get over hurt and trauma and things like that
which I do, but then I can also be the guy who loves to, you know, tell jokes with my family,
make them laugh, play video games, and just be a regular guy and to like combine those
together for me and for many, many gurus, it was something hard to do as a level because
like people were getting upset, like, no, you know, you can't play video games.
You are the guru.
You are.
I'm like, I am all of it and it's okay.
to get to that place to where like, I'm okay with you seeing that side of me or something
like I had to hide. That was a really hard thing for me to do.
That's the key, you know, this pathological philosophy, the shorthand phrase I use for
is both and not either. So it's finding both poles and having both. So it's not, you're
not either divine or human, you're both. And what I thought would happen, I think when
I was in my 20s was I thought that if I meditated enough and I gave up enough things
of abandoned sex or whatever it was, fasted enough. Then I'd be, I wake up, I'd be a noobabying
and you'd meet me now and I'd be like, oh my god, I met him and he was, and all that stuff.
None of that's happened. What's actually happened is I'm conscious of the paradox of my nature
that I am both this incredible presence of oneness and love, and I'm just Tim and Tim as a guy
who has this particular accent and has this particular past, it was essentially very vulnerable
because I could die now. He has qualities that if you hang out with him you'll really,
I think you'll like and I hope you'll enjoy certainly for this hour, but if you were within 24-7
like I am, I am not eventually. And that's who he is and he's doing his best and hopefully
he's wiser now than he was and I'm sure there's a long way to go and I don't expect that to ever
Man, there's such an innocence in that. I'm telling you because they don't teach that in the religions, man
They teach you that you don't let them see that side of you because then they'll doubt and they'll lose faith
And they'll go to somebody else for some reason we look for these gurus who
Can fix us and we can become like them and things like that and but then when we see the side of the
human side of them the humanity and that they do put their pants on one leg at a time or they do have those traits that you know
what I don't like that guy. We lose faith in those people and we move on to another one
and that's the weird place a lot of seekers are you know. Yeah and the irony of all of that
is the biggest gift we can give each other is to be what we actually are because if we do that
we give other people the permission to be what they are. So if you if you really pushed me and you
said okay Sam you've said that all of these people experiences awakening when they come to your
your deeper weakening retreats, why?
What's the deepest reason?
Well, I'd say it's the philosophy, it's the practices,
and I think it is both of those.
But the biggest thing, I think the biggest thing
is that I set it up right from the start that is okay
to be who you are.
And I'm okay being who I am,
and I'm not gonna try and pretend to be anything other than I am.
And I'm not expecting everyone to pretend to be spiritual,
and put on a certain voice, or will, more slowly,
or to be, you know, just to be, you know,
So if you're loud and boisterous like I am be that if you're quiet be that if you're happy be that if you're feeling a bit sad right now be that and
Just and then everyone just relaxes into being who they are and when that happens you see other people
Loving how they are but loving how everyone else's you look at everyone else and think well, it's greatly your you
That seems so like oh man
That seems so simple. Yeah, just be yourself be who you were created to be but there are a lot of people who I deal with and I
You know, I guess I've been I think a lot of it has to do with religion that you can't be this or you can't like those things and
Like this they don't measure whatever. I just got the phone with someone yesterday and I'm just be yourself man
Be the authentic you whatever you like do it you like meditation you like
Deep stuff you like to have a few beers fine. Don't be scared of it. Do it. There's nothing wrong with it
but the ideology man in the dogma and the schisms that's so
deep within religion man I deal with a lot of people and that's the hardest
thing to kind of get over but that's what's powerful about your retreats and
about going into the now moment is that it's okay I love you like source or God
whatever you call this I love you regardless and I put those things in you for a
reason man that's that's the beautiful part of it man and then it's so powerful
once you know that and you're okay and we need just you know life life is a
wonderful journey, but it's hard. Sometimes there's regular times when it'll
catch you and we need to, you know, we're not one thing. You could meet me in one
phase of my life and you'd think, wow, Tim is really arrived. And you can meet
me four months later, maybe like, wow, Tim's is in pieces. And, you know, and it
doesn't mean that I'm any lesser before or any greater. And I think it's like,
But it does not linear like that, and then we've made this mistake, and it's particularly
coming out of America, actually I think, although Europe's very infected with it, we are
here too, that somehow being awake as to do with being happy all the time, or things
always going right.
Well, if you haven't got what you want, it's your fault, you're not creating the life
you want.
You know, that's all superficial, the great heroes of spirituality in the West in the past
were not happy all the time and neither did they get the life they wanted.
They were courageous and adventurous.
They were people who took on the challenge of being alive
and discovering love. Whatever it took
and bits of that I'm sure were fantastic and often bits of it were really tough
and included things like they get called the Dark Knight or
things where it doesn't go well and you have to go through that.
One of the great things about Thomas Joseph Campbell
with his ideas of a hero journey, is you get that, look, some days you're walking through the
meadow, other days you're walking through the dark wood. One's not better than the other,
they're just different stages on your unique journey. And where someone else is,
doesn't mean they're better or worse, it just means that's where they are on their journey.
And then we can just, which, but the good thing of that means, you know, when I'm lucky enough to
be going through the meadow and you're stuck in the, in the wood, I can hold your hat.
That's what it's going on. And when it, and when it turns around, and I'm the one going,
oh my god you know this is awful thing happened to me you can be there for me no
judgment I'm here holding your hand you know we're gonna open up the phone lines
if anybody has a question for Tim freak if you have any questions for him be
sure to call in we've got a few minutes left what's so powerful about that is
about loving them regardless because and maybe this is just religion but I
deal with a lot of people who are in or coming out of religion and but when
And that person changes, like, okay, here's the, the, you know, the Tim who's a guru.
I love that guy.
He's helped me so much.
Here's the, the Tim who is telling jokes and laughing every day.
And they can't, you know, connect those together.
But I've seen it to where here's the, the, the, the healthy spiritual Tim.
And here's the, the Tim who's battling cancer.
And that person changed, and it changes everything and like, oh, I can't, I don't know
that person.
And they withdraw.
versus what you just said to like you know I'm saying want to help them want to be with them
because they were there for you um they withdraw when that when that situation changes at all
like they are just used to this constant that's who I know but when that person changes
they withdraw even in the most subtle way like okay you said this about this and now you change
the way you feel I'm done with you that's a really weird thing and I'm assuming that it's
something in religion or maybe there's something that's deep down within humanity.
I mean, I think what I see these days is just different states of consciousness and they're
all changing and they're all moving. But so what happens with religion is it attracts a certain
stage of consciousness. It doesn't matter which religion could be Christianity, it could be Islam,
it could be Hinduism, it will attract a state of consciousness which manifests in that way and
then people will go that for a while until something deep within them goes, no, no, no,
I need more than this, or they read the right book, or they meet the right person, and then
they will sit crack and they will start to go out. And as you know, for many people, it's a
quite difficult process. You know, I wrote a book many years ago called The Jesus Mysteries,
which was very controversial, it was a big bestseller, and a lot of people freed themselves
from fundamentalist Christianity by reading that book. And what really, you know, it was lovely.
I got a huge number of emails saying thank you, but too many of them at the end went
But I now my family don't speak to me and neither do any of my friends
Because you know they lost that community in stepping out
So I think instead it's a hard thing to do, but it's a it's a state of consciousness which moves and then at you come
The the key way to avoid the things that you were talking about
I think well, we've said it both of us
I'm sure already it's just authenticity. Yeah, if we just meet see for me when I meet like you now we meet as life explorers
You know, I have a different life experience, I'm older, I've got certain things which
that may give me, but you've also got a different life experience to your younger.
That gives you certain things, which I have an access, so that there's a fundamental
equality between everyone and then this diversity of experience.
And we share what we've got, and certainly for me, part of that sharing is, I'm going
to keep learning.
So don't expect consistency, expect, you know,
one of my favorite lines from Amanda Scandy,
is when he said, my commitment is to truth,
not to consistency.
I don't expect me to say the same thing tomorrow
that I'm saying today.
If I find something more truthful, I will say that.
Yeah.
And it's the whole thing about you saying we're changing.
Like we're changing about, you know, every three to six months
ourselves are dying and being reborn,
but from the type of experiences that we've had,
trauma we've been through and even the food that we're putting in our stomachs like we're eating
bad and you know drinking a lot of alcohol or whatever the case is you know I'm going to be at a
certain level and then the next three months we're dying being reborn and constantly changing so
that's one thing about as far as like the consistency and who we are and just becoming different
people and that's okay this is part of life there's a quote that I want to share I think it kind of
goes directly with what we're saying. And this is from Manly P. Hall, which is one of my favorite
teachers. So he says, uh, the religious experience moves inevitably from the congregational
worship towards an inward communion. No matter how desperately sex and certain creeds attempt
to oppose the concept, religion finally becomes a personal spiritual experience. Each person
must find their own faith and must find it within, as the key word. Religious systems
may supply us with the instrument of this personal quest, but cannot accomplish the quest
for us. Yeah, that's right. So, you know, traditionally, I mean, it's changing now because the
world is so interconnected, but traditionally, well, you're born into a culture. Everyone is
born into a culture. And traditionally, there was part of a big part of that culture was whatever
religion you were born in. So that gave you the vocabulary with which you could
explore soul and spirit. But for you to make it your own, you have to doubt it.
Doubt is what makes us conscious when there's no doubt we stay within our
cultural conditioning. The only thing we set you free is doubt because when you
doubt you take your ideas that you've been indoctrinated with and you do that
of them. Now, once you've done that, you can go back to them and go, yeah, I like them.
And now they're your idea. I thought they would just put in you by someone else.
Now they're yours. Or you may go, you know what, that doesn't work for me.
But by doubting, questioning, let's use that word. And what strikes me about the
religious mindset in that negative way that we've been talking about is that you will hear
again and again, doubt is a bad thing. Don't doubt. Don't doubt. Just believe. Just believe.
because they because and that's what's holding everyone back. The minute you go
no chorus question and doubt and explore and become conscious then you can
wake up from that and it does become your own. You realize that you will have
your own religion. How could you not? You've lived a different life to everyone
else. You will find your own way. That doesn't mean you can't learn from loads
and loads of people. It doesn't mean you won't call yourself for something, the
Christian or, you know, you're going to be a damn it.
You can read my books, be a freakist.
I don't care, but you will still be yourself.
Yeah. And you will have found it for you.
And in that way, you know, I've been here
at the beginning of this conversation going,
oh, this deep wake state is so love and oneness.
But me just saying that doesn't help the person listen.
Exactly.
Well, I wish it did, but it doesn't.
And I may be full of baloney.
I may be just making all this up.
And that person has to have their bullshit detector on
and go, ooh, is he all right?
Is he true or is he is he full of, you know, yes?
And and and they have to work that out.
All I can say is as one human being to another,
this experience in life is here.
It's waiting for you and it's much closer than you think.
Yeah.
You know, it's in fact it's too close for you to notice.
That's true.
It's so subtle.
And that that's what's so powerful to me and like in church
they always use Thomas as the doubter,
and we don't wanna be like Thomas, right?
In the scripture, when Jesus comes back,
but then you're like, no, Thomas was beautiful.
His story is awesome.
Like, he just didn't accept it
because everyone else was doing it.
Oh, there's Jesus, yeah.
He wanted proof.
Like, he, like, his doubt was something beautiful,
and it saved him.
And he wasn't just gonna come and follow
what everybody else is following.
No, you gotta show me, man.
I want proof.
And that's the proof in the pudding.
It's not like to follow the philosophy of what we're saying.
It's like, no, go for yourself.
You can explore these realms.
You don't need me.
I can help you, but you don't need me.
It's something personal.
And you can go and experience it for yourself,
just like Thomas, man.
I think his story is so beautiful.
There's so many parallels with that one.
I really thought in my opinion,
the Gospel of Thomas is my favorite.
That's some great teachings that I man.
Yes, lovely.
Got some great lives.
All right, we got a phone call.
go and take this phone call. I know Tim's got to go here shortly, but we got a phone call for
my northwest Arkansas who we speak of it.
It's like you sure I know who this is true. This is 100. How you all doing this morning?
Today, doing great. Good.
You got a question or comment? I do have a question. And so, um, all the start off shortly
for Mr. Freak, you know, I didn't have that right, correct? You did. Yes. I
It's my name.
All right.
I was afraid of it was going to be like, it's just a fork or something like that.
So my apologies for that.
Okay.
So I'm barely new in my spiritual laws.
My third eye in this sense has still been slowly but surely opening.
And one of the things that's been something that happened to me recently is that I was in
Trusika's podcast a lot where I might work.
One of the things that hasn't taken out my mind lately is I keep on hearing the phrase as
above so below. Ever since I started hearing a season no matter where I go, I keep on hearing
that phrase and sometimes I feel like someone's whispering it to me, but there's no doubt
I keep on hearing like, I have a buzz, I have a buzz, I have a buzz, I have a buzz, so
below. So it's like, I never quite understood. So how what exactly does that mean?
Okay. Great question. As above so below is a phrase from the
the hematic tradition.
The hematic tradition is a mystical tradition
which has its roots in Egypt, in ancient Egypt.
Its teachings are attributed to a mythical sage
called Hermes Tris Megastus, who is also known as Thoth,
and it particularly popular in the Renaissance,
in Italy, and then sweet across Europe.
And really, the whole Western culture
has arisen from the Renaissance being rebirth.
And it's the rebirth of this ancient pagan,
hermetic knowledge, this ancient wisdom
of which, as above, so below, is part of that.
The phrase is partly to do with astrology.
It's the idea that the stars represent a pattern
for our lives and that there's a correspondence
between what happens in the stars
and what happens on earth.
And that also has a mystical resonance as well
because the heavens, which are literally the stars,
That's why we say the kingdom of heaven
because they're referring to the stars,
in which is, you know, you've got to think
in the ancient world or everyone up until quite recently,
that's what you could look at when you walked out your door
was this huge canopy of stars.
So it's the idea that there is another dimension,
another world, a world of soul,
which were, as we said earlier,
we're all experiencing a non-material world
where you're understanding the meaning
of these words in the non-material world now,
is the idea that that is the other realm,
and that what's happening in that has an effect
what's happening in this,
and that you need to bring the two of them into harmony
with each other, so that as above so below,
and also as above, as below so above,
but it really, you're taking the higher
and bringing it into life.
That's, there's a lot of meanings to it actually,
because it's quite a big body of work,
but those are two that feel relevant right now.
You're in the Bible as well.
Jesus says on earth as it is in heaven.
Say, meaning, it also says that we're seated
in heavenly places with Christ.
And so that's actually referring to the stars
and our solar body or us being up there
and being down here at the same time.
One of the things which is really interesting to get there,
it's very hard to understand all traditions
because you have to really go back
into a different state of mind.
So around 2000 years ago and before,
they didn't look up at the sky and see what we see.
Well, they literally saw what we see,
but they didn't interpret it as we do.
So what they imagined was a canopy
in the ancient Egyptian tradition.
It was knew it, the goddess knew it.
There was a canopy with little holes in.
And each hole was looking through to the treasure house
of light, which was God, which was the great beyond,
which was the source.
And so the teaching was that everyone is a star.
You and I are, everyone is a star.
And not because we were a big ball of gas,
but because each one of us is like a little hole
in the canopy, beyond which is the one consciousness of God.
And so in a way,
it's the reason I love looking because it feels like
when you're looking somebody's eyes,
you're looking through that canopy.
You're looking through the appearances
to consciousness itself, looking back.
you're going beyond
mmm that's interesting and it's like i was about to say about the eyes of
every time i see that like solo post like i posted at the court on facebook
now see it related to outseeds with
like human eyes so like i was always wondering
why those two seem to go to court
correlate with each other with the winking of that phrase
yeah that's right exactly right it's why one of the you know we've been talking
this conversation about these deep awakening events that I run. One of the key things I do with
people is I get them to simply to connect, soul to soul. And one of the ways I do that is I'll sit
them down, I'll play some beautiful music for a few minutes and I'll just say look at each other's
eyes and see what you experience because, you know, if you're relaxed and you're comfortable,
what you experience is I'm seeing a face literally colors and shapes. But what I'm connecting with
where there's something I can't see.
I'm looking through the veil and I'm connecting
with something beyond the physical.
And it's really obvious.
And if you look deeply enough,
you see that you're looking at being, looking back at you.
And there's this suddenly, this incredible wonder.
So you're just looking at somebody's eyes
and the next minute, you know, there's one of you.
And if you do that with a lot of people,
and that's what I often do,
I'll get people to do that with person
after person after person in a beautiful environment,
there's some lovely music, so you feel really cool
relaxed then really the transformation that can happen because you're just
looking through the veil it's like oh my god I look through a new and then there's
another one oh my god you're I look through with you and you're looking at
something and and although that's actually happening all the time it's
happening right now by putting your attention on it you see the reality of it
and when you see the reality of it that's when this deep wake state will just
open up the eyes of the window to the soul it's so true isn't it true yeah that's
as in the years. Well, hey, oh, Hunter, thanks for calling, man. We're going to go ahead and
yeah, nice to speak to you. All right, Mr. Frig, what was that book you were talking about earlier
that you said you wrote? The book that's relevant to what we're talking about now is called
Deep Awake. And if you, my name is such a strange one. If you spell it right, F-R-E-K-E
in New Google, me, you'll find my website and you can read about it there also, of course,
an Amazon and everything else. Deep Awake. But my latest one, it's called Soul Story. So,
here into philosophy, then Soul Story. My latest one is my major work of philosophy. If you
want the one on a weakening, then Deep Awake, which is my wonderful.
All right. I'm going to put you on my reading list. Great. Well, I'm going to let you go in,
gentlemen. Good. Well, when you get, when I reach the top of your, your reading list,
be sure to contact me via the website and tell me how you got on or on Facebook.
All right, I'll make sure to do that. Thank you again gentlemen. Thank you. Thanks for calling in, man.
All right, let's invent some room. The other thing, which may be relevant to anyone who's listening to this and thinking, oh, I'd like to know more about what
team does. I mean, hey, there's tons on my website, like I said, Tim Frick. Oh, yeah, I was like a while ago, tons of stuff on there.
Yeah, I love it. But I am coming to the States. This year, twice, I'm going to
symbiosis festival to run some events in Oregon. So I'm going to be speaking at the festival
and doing other stuff. But I'm also hoping to come and run a deeper awakening. I'm speaking
at the Science and Non-Juality Conference in San Jose in 8 October. And around that time,
I'm hoping to run a deeper awakening retreat either in LA or Las Vegas, probably.
So the key thing is if people are touched by this and they'd like to know, I mean, I couldn't come to write me a U. I, you know, I go where I'm invited. I end up in all sorts of places.
So sign up to my mailing list, sign up for the newsletter and you get a newsletter every week or two with just of inspiration, things that will touch you.
But also if I'm coming to somewhere near you, you can get to hear about it and maybe we can meet in person.
awesome. You sign all the books as well when people order them right. I do yeah if people I mean it's
much more expensive from my site because I have to send them from the UK. You know you want a
cheap go to Amazon. If you want a signed copy come to me and I'll make sure you get a lovely sign
copy. Awesome yeah we got links in the in the description as well about getting on there as well
to do that. So Tim right man thank you so much for coming on hanging out with me I've enjoyed it
and it was a beautiful episode and there was a lot of knowledge that was shared and I'm sure if
anything it sparked people's interest in what we're talking about and there really is so much
power and going into that meditative state and just experiencing oneness and taking that with you
on your day-to-day man. Yeah it's been a delight to speak to my friend
I'm very pleased you're doing what you're doing in the world and it gives me great hope for what's
coming when I see what yourself and others in your generation are doing and it
fills me with hope that we can bring about this sort of transformation we need to
see both for the sake of ourselves or humanity but also the planet we're
we're inhabiting and the future of our children and their children. Awesome.
I agree so much so thanks so much for coming on and we will speak again very soon my
brother. Blessings thank you.
Tim freak ladies and gentlemen that was a good episode and I'm glad that I got to speak with him
because I'm telling you like there was so many distractions there were so many things going on
with my computer as soon as I put this on YouTube I got a I got a strike on my channel man
it's crazy YouTube is is insane and YouTube has it out against me it was nothing in it
I put his image in his name there and it said that it went against the community guidelines.
We've heard that before, right?
So I'm glad that we're using iTunes and all this other good stuff, Facebook for now.
So that happened and then as soon as he jumped in the stream for the chat, the computer
messed up and I couldn't open up, I couldn't access the internet, I couldn't access it
through Explorer or Google Chrome or nothing.
It wouldn't even pull up, man, so I had to restart the computer right when we were supposed
to go live.
So I thank him so much for his patience and just working with me.
But I'm glad we did it.
I'm glad we didn't reschedule because there was so much information and knowledge and
just inspiration in general for you guys in this episode, even for me.
Like I enjoy picking these people's brains as well because the main reason that the podcast
was kind of birth was me researching a lot of work, Jordan Maxwell, Trishima Cannon, some
of these people that are James Gilliland, people I was watching hours and hours and hours
of while I was having my awakening and I wanted to have them on so I was actually able
to talk to the people on the podcast and pick their brain about stuff I learned in their
presentations or their interviews and kind of go in, you know what I'm saying the same
direction and ask deeper questions about it so out of that stuff was sampled in my music
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Shalom Shalom, peace.
Your ass are much higher than mine
So much higher than mine
You're nothing so much more than mine
So much more than mine
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