Vibrational Energy | How Spirit Speaks | Debbie A. Anderson
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intuitive healer energy worker Debbie
Anderson Debbie welcome to the podcast
how are you I'm great thank you so much
Derrick even though we have these roles
okay this is what I do this is what I am
there's always so much more right I mean
if you really love it if you really want
it to say what you did it would be I
think it would just be a long list of
this this this this this so what's the
best way to just explain what you do or
is there I'm a clairvoyant medium and so
I basically speak to dead people
oh we've been we've been we've been
covering that a lot lately it's a very
interesting and I try to approach a lot
of these conversations from a biblical
perspective and when we're talking about
that and and it could be scary you know
is this can we do it should we do it is
are we are we talk are we literally
talking to these dead people or are they
demons some people believe that you
can't talk to the dead so a lot of
interesting conversations here lately
when it comes to talking about that so
I'm excited to have you on the show and
kind of get into some of this stuff both
living and dead so we have to and I
always say to people before you start
playing with this kind of thing ensure
like you know one we're going to drive
in a car we put the seatbelt on we check
the oil we check the gas we check
everything around us we make sure that
we're protected and that's part of what
we do when we're doing these very work
and very important you know you can't
you know assume that you can dive into
the you know into the ocean 300 feet up
and everything's going to be okay we
don't know what's below we need to be
very conscious of that so I always say
to people just use common sense
but you know - I guess the fear the fear
is there there should be a healthy fear
right
but exploration is needed we need to go
down to the depths of the ocean and
figure out what's down there and the
treasures and the new entities in like
fists or whatever there's some crazy
stuff down there so we need to encourage
exploration as well right I think we
need to be consciously aware of our role
in anything and everything to me is
about intention you know from the time
we get up in the morning we clean our
teeth to the time we go to bed at night
everything we do within 10 so depending
on what our intention is with that
connection whispering is what we will
draw to us as well mm-hmm intention is
key
whatever we're creating branding
whatever like we put yeah we tweet
that's like the life essence is is the
intention like we give it that that
entity that Topa that it exists now from
the intent that we created it's really
interesting when we get in a alchemy and
and breathing life into something yeah
you know with the intention what is it
we're all creators of our own universe
which is something we tend to forget you
know we all want to find the scapegoat
we all want to find somebody - it's not
my fault but we are our own creators and
you know for those of you out there that
still believe you can make me who I am
today yeah yeah yeah because if you know
I've had everything and not have to want
for anything or any of those things
maybe I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing
today maybe it didn't set me aside so
you know I would say to people you know
anything out of something bad always
comes something good yeah and you know
if we want to stay in that treadmill or
looping in something bad and our life or
something that's all quite gone right
guess what we're gonna keep saying that
we keep looping round and round
around around we're on a little
treadmill whereas we can decide to step
off and that's what sometimes we have to
do you know sometimes I say to people no
the best thing you can do at the once is
just being silent step away from
everything heel and then step back out
again you don't have to keep finding it
although all the way along there
sometimes we just have to do that what's
cool is is that going into a refuge like
you just need to be inside and you know
protect yourself and love yourself and
just do what healing you need to do and
then when you're ready come out fighting
or come out smiling or whatever but you
know life is for living and though
people seem to think while we're here to
learn lessons we're here to experience
because this is all about emotion when
we're in spirit we don't feel those
emotions so yeah this love this hate
this happy the sad everything has to
have a dual polarity to it just as we
need on a battery there's a plus and a
minus a negative and a positive but it
needs both of them to actually put it
into our flashlights to get light so
it's just keeping it in balance yeah yep
they work together without the other as
you say it's the alchemy of it
we just need to keep that balance and
yeah maybe we do go the other side a
little bit and go into the negative but
when we when we recognize that and we
see that it's like oh okay
alright I mean now I know what that
feels like but I also know what positive
feels like which do I choose so yeah
it's very much our life is imbalance all
the time okay so we're talking about
speaking with the dead spirits the
spirit realm
what exists over there what does it look
like what does it sound like I want to
get into that but first I like to kind
of go back to the beginning maybe your
childhood you said you kind of you know
it was there was some adversity there
growing up and it maybe got you into
some of this stuff what what was some of
the things that if you look back at your
childhood it kind of pushed you in this
direction what were there any encounters
that you had as a child that
you know that something else existed on
the other side Thank You Benny yeah well
when I was born in 1957 so that was way
before Internet and all the amazing
stuff that we have access to today and
around about four years of age my
parents separated and my twin brothers
and I and my mom moved in with my
grandparents and I shared a bed with my
mom and my brother shed because
obviously though it wasn't a big family
house so you know in bed at night four
years of age the ceiling would peel back
down would come these little ethereal
bodies and sit on the end of my
grandmother's bed and scare the [Â __Â ] out
of it it was it was scary
yeah so in those days you know I had
nobody to sort of say hey this is spirit
don't worry about it they're just yeah
they just want to hang out with you just
like you know everything's gonna be okay
so of course I would scream and cry and
wake up and you know mom would come up
and she stole you're just having a bad
dream go back to sleep so that went on
for a little while and I think they
thought that they were scaring the
bejesus out of me so they went okay this
kids not ready at the moment so let's
just step back and when she's ready
we'll come back in and start interacting
in her life so sort of as I was growing
up I would sort of see profound things
to people and there were a lot of kids
that do that today so for parents
caregivers grandparents whomever have
young children around them and they
start to give these profound insights
just zip it listen don't interact just
listen because you're actually may learn
something that would help you in your
life because they're very connected kids
up till about the age of eight seven or
eight very very still very connected
with spirits in fact you can walk along
and you'll see it you know a little baby
and when they start just for you you
know you've got something because little
babies don't you should start to follow
total strangers in a store when they are
still focusing their eyes in my I always
I always smile at them and say you know
what you're here to do and then a big
grin comes on
face oh I hope they remember by the time
they're at the stage to start their work
but yeah so through my life I was seeing
spirit saying these things to people
sort of being told that I was a
precocious child and that kind of thing
come my teenage years I was sure I saw
Jesus Christ absolutely positive on the
school bus and of course I was in
England there so it wasn't quite like
the school buses we have in North
America but yeah I was on the bus coming
home from school and you know I said oh
look this Jesus Christ back to work and
then my mother you know thinking that
there was something quite wrong with me
took me to see a psychiatrist and of
course in those days I was a little bit
concerned that I might end up with a
little white jacket in the padded room I
actually said I've made it all up and
felt bad that I had sort of I felt that
time it sort of betrayed paribus
understanding and then again just
slightly backed away so it was really in
my 20s when I fully went okay it's okay
I leave I always played with the tarot
deck and stuff like that from my sort of
late teens and kept on doing readings
for people so it was sort of know it can
up and down kind of thing and you know
as I've moved on in my life
as I got older it seems to be more and
more so you know it's I'd be very
blessed and all I would say to people is
you know we all have the ability we're
all psychic all right so psychic medium
clairvoyant whatever you want to add
that little label to it they're just
names but everybody's psychic and we
have it there we just have to remember
to connect into it and I you know sort
of say to people it's a bit like a kid
that plays soccer they go out and play
soccer every week and then the coach
says hey there's a kid here that can
really do something and he'll put in the
practice and put in the time and put in
the energy and then later on he goes to
become I don't know famous soccer star
whereas the other kids maybe just enjoy
playing soccer for the fun of it
so that's what I say to people if you
have this and you want to like we all
have it but if you want to tap into it
then do so you can help yourself in your
life in so many ways we all get messages
we all get connections we all get you
know all these things every single day
of her life but sometimes we're too busy
to notice them and this is why I've been
hearing a lot lately that people say
it's almost like when I'm just going to
sleep I feel like I hear a voice or
there's something there and I said
because I see any time spirit can
connect with you get sincerely done
younger your electronics arlynn you know
you're running your lap around in your
life and busy and things like that so we
try and connect with us during sleep
state or just as we're going into sleep
today so again there there are no hard
and fast rules IRA say to people just
you know sit have some quiet time you
know and quiet time cos go gosh you
haven't got a meditate have I mate well
yeah you have but meditation doesn't
have to be sitting for hours on a
cushion in the Zen position going on you
can go for a walk in nature you could
put some music on and just switch off
everything else and just listen you know
sit in silence lay on the grass looking
up at the clouds yeah place your feet in
some water in a lake or a paddling pool
and just look at the water you know it's
just we don't have to have all the
expensive tools we don't have to be you
know quiet time with you yeah that's
that's the thing because like I remember
when I was I was a truck driver for some
years and I would be driving and I would
want to tap in the spirit
I would I would want to do that and I
would just look at like a you know
driving past these lush fields and I'm
like man I just want to go lay down in
that field just for a minute and just
connect it going pass all of the scenery
or whatever the case is and it doesn't
it could be that quick and it really is
that quick just like stopping that that
vehicle closing your eyes and going in
for two minutes one minute just focusing
on that breath tapping in and getting
tuned in with spirit right absolutely
absolutely and you know I say to people
just go for a walk you know just make
you know when I say people go out and
lay on the grasses and put your
electronic phone away because I'm
pinging pinging tapping thing is like a
irritating and we're sidetracked or like
oh I wonder who that is contacting me so
they switch everything off yeah just
later look down close your eyes connect
with mother you know I always call
mother mother earth connect with the
mother and just see what comes through
you'd be quite surprised and ask a
question you know if you need guidance
on something we will have a guardian
angel I trying to explain to people we
have a guardian angel from the time we
come into this incarnation to the time
we leave and those are those moments
when we get there all I haven't heard
from so-and-so in a while and then we
bump into them or we hear something was
I was just thinking about you or you
know we're driving along we get you know
taken on a different Road and like why
am i driving all the way around the
houses to get to where I need to go then
we find out that there was an accident
or you know a holdup on that road so
that you know usually I place my hands
together and say thank you spirit for
taking me away but of course within that
it's free will and free will is when we
go I know better than this and then go
ahead with what we're going to do and
then wish we'd listened to our gut
feeling our intuition our guardian angel
whatever name we call it but it's there
we can ask a question and I'll give you
an example of something some years ago
when I was going to print my first
Oracle deck self-publish so I was like
okay I have three printers here and I
don't know which one they're all about
the
same price point they're all about the
same quality so how do I make a decision
I'm going I really feel I've had like
some guidance on this and at that time I
was we were driving I was on tour and in
front of me swing says big truck and it
has the name King on the back and I said
oh my goodness and one of the names of
the people that I was dealing with in
China his name was King Wang so I
thought okay I think I've got my answer
thank you very much and that was it now
sometimes we get that and you know I had
a friend of a friend in England and she
was thinking of coming to Canada yeah
and she wasn't sure and I said well ask
you guardian angel ask you guys to help
us ask and she said okay so I said but
you have to wait and see what comes
through and so she's in this tiny little
village in England and she said okay she
said I'm driving along and all of us on
this big truck and in England they have
very small trucks they don't have what
like we have in North America in swings
this big truck inch that it has a big
Canadian flag on the back of it do you
think that was a sign and I smile and
they said what do you think it was right
well I'm still not sure okay we'll just
see what else happened and then she saw
another something on the TV about Canada
and visiting Canada so they do sent us a
sign we just have to interpret them
hearse was very clear and I think very
concise in in her face and so was mine
because I was open to okay how do i how
do I interpret this so that's why I say
to people you have to create your own
interpretation catalog you can't go to a
book and say okay this is what this
means we just have to be aware of that
and then we have the choice at the end
of it do we follow it or don't we so
yeah there was a guy there was a guy
talked about like um I had a guy he was
he was a member of a church and some of
the things that we talked about will get
you kicked out of churches Ty bill right
but he was really into my work and liked
how I incorporated Christ and
consciousness in it and so he you know a
lot of people in who follow my work they
are still in church or coming out of
church I used to be in church anyway he
wanted to hit me up and he had messaged
me a couple times but then he was like
you know what I don't need to follow
true seekers work I need to stay away
from him because I'm in the mysticism or
whatever you want to call it it's like a
taboo thing in the churches but he
really felt drawn to reach out to me and
wanted to support me he loved my music
he loved the stuff I put out but he was
gonna message me on his own on Facebook
about possibly meeting up with him he
lived to two states over I'm in Alabama
he's in Louisiana so it's over almost
three hours away and he's thinking about
messaging me he's like now I can't talk
to him because if people find out that
I'm affiliated with Trucy good I'll be
excommunicated that kind of weird stuff
it gets awkward
um he's thinking about messaging me he's
at a red light he puts his phone down he
says no he looks up in front of him it's
a true seeker bumper sticker on the back
of a truck it's one of my bumper
stickers on the back of a van and two
states over and I mind you I only have a
few bumper stickers and it's two states
over it he looks up seek truth truth
seeker calm okay okay Lord I'll call him
so anyway he ends up getting in contact
with me we ended up going on a vacation
trip and we stopped in to see him and
his family got to meet the guy had a
great conversation got to pray with him
and stuff like that so he was you know
that was a synchronicity for him that he
was like he wasn't contact me but then
he did and it worked out we became
friends after that you know whether
people call it defining intuition or
divine communication this is what you
know the synchronicities about it's
there we've asked we have the messages
we just have to interpret them and yeah
when you go something is clear
they quite incredible you know I had a
lady that I was doing a reading came to
see me and I'm in Winnipeg Manitoba at
the moment I'm just heading back to
Ontario and she said the the weird story
of how I came to connect with you was
some months ago she was with another
psychic or something and she said oh who
says Eddie this I think the name is
Debbie a something Debbie and she's a
clairvoyant and you should really see
her and this is another person know you
but you didn't know me so she said I
then she said I'm on it
she's on that Instagram I'm on Instagram
she said then all of a sudden Debbie
Anderson came up she said I didn't know
what she did so I had a look and she
said I heard you were clairvoyant me I
saw you were clarifying medium then she
said I saw you were coming to Winnipeg
so all of those synchronous so she came
to hand reading with me so you know all
of those things that you know she could
have just didn't dismiss that or
whatever but you know this other psychic
said you really got to see her you know
she'd be a great deal of help for you
and hopefully I was but you know I just
those kind of things that happened and
you know my husband does past life
regression and he had this late him
first I she said and he said why is this
chrisley come up on your phone she said
is it something should know I have no
idea so she said at that point she did
some investigation and then heard he was
coming to where she went so how happen I
have no idea like some of the wind stuff
that happens I always go
but it's defined synchronicity the way
it comes in you know she said it freaked
her out cuz you know the guy in the
store said well it's a brand new phone I
just switched it on and there was my
husband photograph in his name and he's
like Facebook photograph and name
underneath it and she said I had to see
who this guy was and what it was to do
with and she said I've been thinking
about doing a past life regression and
she so she'd put it out there and said
okay so I think it's amazing you know I
think some of the miracles that we
every day we tend to miss them and I'm
hopeful people will just take a moment
that's it smell the roses and see what's
out there you've asked a question that's
spirit we fear magic I think it's
beautiful it makes it a lot more
interesting too when you have that stuff
happening all the time and so I'll have
the synchronicities happen a lot I've
been in seasons where they were crazy
then I've had seasons where there's no
synchronicities and it seems dry and I'm
like what's wrong with me tight deal and
then now where I'm at I have them all
the time and it's insane and like me my
wife and my daughter it's like a game
now yeah something happens and I say
something in the TV says it or the
somebody says it at the same time and
it's usually something profound or
whatever and it says we just laugh at it
now and for me it's just like spirit
letting me know that hey you're on the
right path you do you know and I love
you know people sometimes say to me I
feel that nobody's there for me spirits
not there for me anymore I feel alone
and I said you know what I love the
prayer footsteps the poem footsteps Wow
about this two days ago on the podcast
the same poem saying these little secret
little things man but I always loved
that because you know the words in there
were you know I didn't abandon you that
was a time I carried you well you know
and I think that's so beautiful and
sometimes we forget that and we've all
had dark times you know
guilty as charged where I sit here but I
had to make choices hmm and some was
stepping away for things some was
stepping into things yeah and yes you
know I always say to people spirit will
not take you to the abyss and then push
you off they never do that they'll help
you there guide you and yet sometimes we
have to go through the hard stuff yeah
sometimes we have to do that yeah you
know and you know I know they're saying
is what doesn't break us makes us
stronger and I think from that we bring
something forward that we can utilize
ourselves in our life whether it's for
us or for somebody else you know I'm a
great person I buy a book
let me go okay I'm gonna read this out
to read yet no I own that's right down
there and then a little while later
somebody come along and they're talking
about saying I got the book just
actually said to Sperry this is getting
expensive can you do it in another way
but that's it that's being there turning
up being in your divine synchronicity
yeah and letting God Jesus Christ
whatever your belief system is yeah to
talk through you adversity is our friend
you know and it's weird that like we can
talk about this but and I we have to
talk about it because in Christianity
and Christendom we're told that the
devil is our enemy and which he kind of
is he's our adversary but that adversary
is your friend
he's showing or a reason you need the
positive and the negative reinforcements
in your life you need to be checked
sometimes you got all these people in
your corner telling you what you want to
hear you need that adversity the word
Satan means that adversary right it's
it's something coming against your will
or what you feel like you're supposed to
be doing or whatever you need to be
checked you need to be kind of shaken up
and get out of your comfort zone
sometimes so you know I've made peace
with all of my demons and I'm thankful
buried somewhere I pull up now and again
and just dust them off and go okay maybe
it's time to actually get rid of you now
because you know the other thing and
this is not a slur or a slight on
Christianity or any other face but the
Bible has been written rewritten so many
times by men and sorry I'm not trying to
you know diss men but in those days it
was men than had the authority or ivory
and and sadly the rewrites were to make
people fearful to tithe to the church I
know I grew up in England and many of
the churches and the beautiful
cathedrals there were built on people's
money that you know if I pay into the
church or whatever
I will have a heavenly passing into the
next into the world of spirits oh yeah
it's it's a shame because you know I
believe like Jesus Christ his love he
sent me yeah he got ticked off now and
again and made it clear but then it's
not what we do as humans no I think he
was showing us examples how to love
people how to help people and you know I
have you know people say to me but our
world at the moment is so chaotic and
let's go no no no there's an awareness
and awakening' happening this is
beautiful this is where our world as
individuals as groups we're starting to
come together as a community again help
people work together except you know
where I am in Canada remember this
horrendous forest fires and you've got
them in the States here in California
but we've got people from all over the
world that are fighting these fires to
save these people's homes to save
communities and you know that's what
sometimes we get sent to us and we get a
choice and I truly believe whatever is
going on in our world at the moment is
perfect synchronicity to what we need
because I'm a true believer of out of
something bad always always always
always always always come something good
something better something more that we
wouldn't have done if that hadn't
happened through the adversity
absolutely and this is where the devil
and the the God all you know the Satan
or whatever this is it you know we have
that choice at that time do we help
somebody do we move in and you know like
a good Samaritan mm-hmm yeah keep
walking by right if there's so much
there in the Bible that we you know yeah
that's just so much though I love it
because it's not that I want to tell
somebody you should do their so you
should do that or this is a path to
follow because I truly am interested
when I meet people other face to hear
how their faith were
so four lots because I want to become
part of it but in Howard's healthy how
many crossovers are how many threads
that link us all together and there are
there are so many threads that link us
all together as male yeah and I have
this weird sort of thought process and
back in the time when time began whether
it was a blindness or whatever it was
that there was a group of people and
they took the word whatever the word was
and they walked to the four corners of
the earth and on their journey they met
other people along the way that created
all these different diverse cultures and
all these different diverse
spiritualities that we have that are
available to us because there are so
many threads that cross over it's just
incredible the more we find out about
somebody else's face it's like oh my
gosh that's very similar here or this is
whatever so yeah we're all into woven
there's no we're not any different we're
all interwoven in some way yeah we all
have a piece of that and that's the
interesting thing and it's like it took
the power away from it for me a sync is
like each of those religions will try to
tell you that they have exclusivity
whenever it comes to a term or idea just
like you mentioned at the beginning now
we're dealing with what the bible calls
like spiritual giftings and to be able
to prophesy to be able to lay hands on
someone and and heal them well there's
other practices where you lay your hands
on somebody and heal them as well and
it's called Reiki you're moving energy
around and you're helping them so like
as far as hearing voices of the Holy
Spirit being led by the spirit that's
ESP intuition empathy being able to feel
all this stuff so none of these
religions actually like have the corner
stone or on these things or they like
have the market on them it's it's it's
all the same thing and it's to me it's
beautiful I'm not judging them but I'm
judging the fact that we're all
experiencing the same things but from
different perspectives and standpoints
point of view we're looking at the same
thing from different points of view and
so for us to say that this is the only
way what you haven't seen seen it from
this side you haven't been
over here how are you making judgments
and you've never walked a mile in these
shoes you don't know what it feels like
to go through this you know and to
experience that so everybody's walk to
me is beautiful even the people who were
in that judgmental phase you know in the
in religion or they're in Dogma and
they're holding on I remember I remember
doing it myself you're like this is the
truth and if we look at it like now I
talk about this like it's it's so
aggressive because that's their eternal
salvation it's not just their life it's
their afterlife too they've put their
their money your tithing into it they're
supporting it they're funding it they're
putting all of their their their their
money into it but then they're after
life and you're telling me that what
I've entrusted my life and my eternity
into is wrong or it's not the way the
absolute way so you can see how people
get into cognitive dissonance when that
kicks in they don't they just holding on
holding on
I believe the divine works through all
of us and we have that part where we can
work with it or against it and you know
I always say if the wheel turns to you
and your religion your belief system or
whatever then great I would never ever
change that for somebody because if
that's what they need that's what they
they need but for me it was you know I I
grew up with a Church of England
Christian background and there were many
times you know my mum at that time was a
very young lady divorced so if you think
of 1960s and how divorce aid ladies and
I'm sure there's a few out there still
would treat it it was very very horrible
you know it was not like today and so it
was very difficult for my mom and she
was a beautiful lady you know she could
go on and then find somebody else but
know it was wrong and all these kind of
things and you know we used to go to
church on Sunday and very much my mum
was you know believed in all of that and
I just saw some of the way she was
treated and
for me as a child growing up in that I'm
like Christian this is not Jesus crisis
it's not love you know this is just you
know pure pain and agony but but that's
okay you know that maybe as I say it's
all these things that I saw and viewed
from a child's aspect that it's like you
know why can't we all play together
every different culture every different
religion you know under the age of five
in a room and let them play and they
would still have that thing that one
kids got the toy that I want it wouldn't
be about race it wouldn't be about
belief it wouldn't be about anything
else it would be just kids playing and
being kiss yeah was one of those single
single women she was a divorced woman
and she had three kids and she was a
waitress and she would bartend she would
do what she could to provide for us we
ended up there was some neighbors in
this place where we lived and it was an
older couple they were probably in their
70s that they would watch us we'd go
over there and stay with them and they'd
help my mom out and we'd go stay over
there and they'd take us to church
little small backwoods Southern Baptists
Hellfire and brimstone Church I was a
little kid and I was into like Metallica
and heavy metal and I love horror movies
so we're going to church and I'm drawing
pictures of demons and stuff but you
know I'm having this just weird
encounter so religion for me was like
this
man screaming red-faced you know telling
you you're gonna burn forever and it's
all these people listening to it really
old backward search and it would be
weird to see him like turn that off
after service and be a regular person oh
this guy he's going off to he's fixing
to knock out this uh
this pizza buffet you know after serving
you know but while he's up there he's
playing this role and stuff but I
remember so my mom she wanted to come to
church with us they kept inviting her
but she'd always put it off because my
mom liked the party and
- and she didn't want to go Church she
ended up going to church with us with
the with the elder people in us and she
wore what she had she just kind of got
tried to get dressed up he showed up and
she wore jeans yes the pastor changed
his sermon she was the only one she
condemned women wearing men's clothing
that whole time and my mom has never
stepped the foot in another church again
crazy when when I was in Matt salon last
time last year in Mexico I went and was
very honored to be able to go and help
out in a church called Lavinia and they
work there helping people by taking
meals to them so there would be Lakota
which is a ham and cheese sandwich
a bottle of water and a fruit so either
an orange or an apple and I was asking
how this all came about because they
have services and things like that which
I didn't go to I was just going there as
a helper for the day
and you know one of the guys said well
actually the church came about because
in the time when I think it was Vietnam
war was going on and people were trying
not to be signed up accepted to go they
went to communes and things like that
and they tried to get into what I call
the the church but a lot of them were
hippies so they had the beard and long
hair yeah and they were told that they
couldn't have a beard you know you had
to shave off your beard you had to wear
a shirt and a tie and you know pants and
they're like well yeah so they they
created their own church and it was
called Lavinia because it was like the
vines and the wine and they would go and
help people they would just make bags of
food along to people sit there and talk
to them and the people would be fed and
this is how they ended up going into
Mexico
not trying to change the Catholic
religion or anything like that but where
people were poor taking along a bag of
cornmeal and saying you
it says to you and they're like well why
would you do this I'm like well you know
we want to help people yeah and that's
what they do and it's such a beautiful
because I thought you know that's what
Jesus did so to be able to go and be
part of that although I'm not part of a
Christian Church anymore anything like
that just gave me hope there are people
out there doing good work and not
raising it about you know you know yes
and in fact they they have t-shirts and
it says God's work our hands and I
thought that was just so perfect God's
work our hand and that's what it is yeah
God's work our hands how do we how do we
deliver how do we do something yeah and
I thought that was so perfect I sent you
to do it you know that's the thing where
everybody I can't believe that this is
in the world I can't believe that that's
in the world well you sent you to change
it you have that I can't believe
building of anger and this in raises you
what will change it you know and it's so
crazy like there's so many Christians
who like make like this big stand like
and they free to get something versus
like and they try to like change
legislation or whatever to like whether
it's abortion or with these weird things
that they get on or whatever it's like
look you want to end abortion you teach
your you teach people you don't like try
to like change legislation or whatever
the case is or whatever you teach people
the right way to do things versus like
everybody knows what you're against
nobody knows what you're for and it's so
it's okay see when we look at the hippie
movement we look at the Jesus people is
what they called him as all these
hippies got you don't say I'm born again
in descent in the late 60s and 70s and
there was an influx of hippies coming
into the churches well like you said
they told him they had to shave their
beards and cut their hair you know not
wearing any shoes you know and so they
would be it would kick them out so they
had to start their own movement and he
became the Jesus people and and and and
you know most of the people who were in
the prophetic movement right now the
people who teach spiritual gifts and the
people who teach you how to prophesy and
hear God and things like that most of
them came
out of the Jesus people movement and
their old hippies who are now Christian
pastors and evangelists because I you
know when he was telling this story I
said oh my goodness I said can you
imagine if Jesus Christ turned up to go
to their church that he was from this
long hair and his beard and probably bad
feet and you know wearing a smock kind
of you know thing I think it's crazy
we wanted to be who we were wasn't about
what we wore it was who were inside and
that's what I say to people is who you
are inside that matters that's all it is
whether you have the smartest suit on
all the ripped t-shirt it's who you are
and what you do come as you are
absolutely they want you to get it's
like I think they're put in the cart
before the horse because they want you
to get cleaned up first
and then come to the the healing
facility the church is what's supposed
to be healing people but they want you
to get cleaned up first and then come to
get clean that's a backward you come in
dirty you come in crazy full of demons
or whatever and then you get washed then
you get changed and then you get healed
and sent out so they're trying to put it
backward they're like hey look we don't
need you you like yeah you know messing
with the people that we have here or
whatever the case is you know what I'm
saying so really we're they yeah
performance makes person yeah you have
to follow the rules yeah it's crazy I
don't know why they do that they kind of
you know they get in these weird yeah
pristine temples and everything's clean
and nice come on that's not that's not
went out and he he he gave he shared the
word on outside he didn't have a roof
and a you know everything over the top
of him he just let people come and
listen and share what food they had and
things like that and you know that
awesome beauty of it so had all things
in common yeah absolutely and we're
forced to be reckoned with men love
changed their generation and we look at
six days I mean it's a very you know
similar thing that happened there love
and what and what love has the power to
do with whatever we're creating whatever
we're branding like if it's love that
motivates it it's it's it's not gonna be
stopped it has powered literally over
darkness and over demons and over all
the negative stuff that we go through is
love is the answer at the end of the day
and I'm like you I believe Jesus was
love and I think he was loved that
became a person and started walking
around with you don't say humanity you
know and that's what it is to me and
that's the key that's the foundation
it's love if you want to say Jesus is
the foundation he is love made manifest
let's let's go back a little bit to
because I do want to talk more about
contacting departed spirits that's very
interesting there's so we talked a
little bit about your past what kind of
got you into some of that stuff we're
having organic encounters as a kid I
mean that that's my story most of us
probably listening have you had night
terrors and shadow beings and stuff and
it just opens up the door but what does
it come into like what was your first
experience with contacting the dead did
the dead contact you like how does that
work in the beginning as I say growing
up the one thing was in those days we
didn't have showers we just had a weekly
bath I know it sounds gross but you know
I shower every day but in those days we
would have the Sunday night bath and
then all through the rest of the week we
were just what I call hand wash those
area service so you know I'd be sitting
in the bath and and then it would be
like there were people there are like
I'm naked you know like a little kid of
course they don't see us but I would
have these conversations and it always
seemed to me that I was telling people
things so it became very difficult to
understand that there was something
wrong with it it just seems like a
natural thing you know as I grow into my
sort of teenage years into my 20s and so
forth it was like okay it's probably
there they come to me for a reason is it
that I'm supposed to be doing this work
yes it is I'm supposed to be doing this
work so how do I do this way okay I have
to learn I learned have to learn how to
how the
communicate with me and how I
communicate that message to the other
person sitting across from me so you
know I learned with different tools you
know as I said I always play good tarot
cards when I first started and I always
say to people now those things are just
like blankets
you know the blankie that we have as a
child but it's our safety blankie the
Divine's coming through us and that's
how it works so for me it can be I'm
clairvoyant so clairvoyant can mean that
I can see I can hear I can sense I can
feel so they come through in different
waves of things there isn't just you
know I love it if it was just you and I
having a conversation and I could just
do that and have that conversation with
them but it comes through like
pictograms or metaphors and things like
that and sometimes I'll get an initial
sometimes I'll hear a name so it's all
of those things I think it was John
Edwards that said his spirit up here
here's a clairvoyant in media or meet
him down here one has come down one has
to come up they connect now they have to
find a language in which they can
communicate with each other
so yeah it's sometimes I'll get somebody
like wow that was really easy
yeah and then the next time it's like
okay now I got to decipher everything is
it's coming down so it's different every
time and it's beautiful because this is
where at the end of it I usually go well
thank you spirit that was a new
experience but I've been doing this for
quite a few years yeah for those who are
you know maybe skeptics when it comes to
that how do you know what you're
communicating with so because and I say
that because of the you know we're
talking about Christianity in the church
most of them will say oh you're
communicating with demons and it's a
blanket statement there is no other
spirits like do they tell you who they
are are you actually trying to help
somebody bridge the gap who has a
departed loved one or something like
that that's what I'm doing
yeah people come to me because usually
they want either closure or confirmation
or some connection with somebody that's
passed in spirit
all of those people come with love so
they're bringing that love vibration
with them I just want to connect with
you I want to just make sure grandpas
okay or mums okay and those kind of
things so that's coming with pure love
and that's where I connect now I have my
guide to my helpers
I don't just you know jump into my car
and drive off without putting my seat
belt on and as I say to people yeah so I
I have that work I meditate beforehand I
connect with spirit so that I'm grounded
and connected to the divine so I'm
tethered if you like some people that I
hear do this work are all floating
around and then all these things happen
to them alike well how can this be
happening if I'm supposed to do this I'm
like well because you have your own
responsibility too you have to be
grounded to our mother earth because
you're human you're in a solid format
you're not energy you are energy coming
through you so then the other part is we
connect with our the heavens are divine
so yeah there's a process you know I go
through it I I've been doing this for
many years I feel very blessed but
there's no way I would step into that
without knowing that I have my team with
me no way that I would open those doors
without doing that connection because
it's like having a light on the porch at
nighttime all the moths come to it it's
a bright little light so you switch on
that little light and you're gonna
attract everything and yes as I said at
the beginning there are some entities
energies that are not good justice are
on you know would I go walking down a
back alley at 3:00 a.m. in the morning
in an area where I know that I may or
may not be accosted you know use common
sense it is something that we still need
to use so you know I think anybody who
wants to open that portal for themselves
personally just before they go to bed at
night clean teeth PJs on laying on the
bed all electronic switched off please
and thank you
ask that question of your loved one
whatever it is are you okay
is there a sign you can send me and then
drift off into sleep you'll get
information through sleep state and
maybe in the next day you'll get these
little oh I think we might have lost her
for the time being okay you guys can
still see me awesome Benny welcome to
the stream brother you want to go back
and watch the beginning of this episode
Benny because I gave you a shout out and
talked about the dog and the family and
all that stuff at the beginning bro so I
gave you a shout out at the beginning
there make sure you go back and see that
yeah when it comes down to it people are
having good and bad encounters in
everything right so if we were to say
you don't want to do this because I had
a bad encounter like people like to
project then it's only right I guess
it's only it's only right to project
because like if you had a bad encounter
but it's not a blanket encounter it's
not for it's not for everyone it's
really not for everyone
nothing is for everyone everybody's
different everybody has the different
things that um that help them they have
the different things that they're into
or you would everybody in church kind of
mentioning you know the 60s that's where
talking with that would talk about the
drug culture and then Adam talks about
how it was all about the drugs and it
wasn't about the love then we look at
Terence Mckenna who is a psycho not who
has learned some really deep truths when
it comes to the spirit realm and when it
comes to using psychedelics for
spiritual purposes as well so there is
that connection there but you're gonna
find videos on everything you're gonna
find videos about people say hey stay
away from psychedelics because you're
going to get if you do psychedelics
you're gonna get possessed and I'll
guarantee you we can go right now to
youtube and
we could do it you could do it you could
go to youtube and you could type in
anything and you're gonna find videos
for it and videos against it you're
gonna get possessed if you do drugs and
in other people's I met Jesus on drugs I
met Jesus on like $1 so let's look at
the Kundalini that's a controversial
word especially in in Christendom and
and I use that word a lot and for me
it's synonymous with the Holy Spirit
right so we could type in Kundalini and
there's gonna be people doing videos
about how they got possessed by doing
Kundalini Yoga they got possessed by
Devils by meditating in when they
meditated they opened up a door to the
spirit realm or they got possessed and
they got hurt and they're warning you to
stay away on the other hand you're gonna
find videos where people will have
amazing life-changing encounters with
the Kundalini it changed my life there's
a sense of freedom purpose it cleaned me
out
I'm not a better person I'm a link
towards love more these different things
that have helped make them a better
person same thing for Christianity in
what denomination do you want to hear
horror stories about people coming out
of the Christian Church people coming
out of the charismatic denomination I
guarantee you there's tons of YouTube
videos about people who say oh man
they're charismatic all this bad stuff
then you're gonna find another video
with someone with all the good stuff
about that denomination we've talked
about it this morning in discord our
good friend Chris Neely here in chat was
talking about she came out of Mormonism
for the most part she that was wrong it
was like really bad experience or really
bad encounter for her in Mormonism my
experience with Mormonism from a
Christian standpoint they say that
Mormonism was a false belief it's
demonic it they don't have the truth
like that's what Christianity taught me
about Mormonism
I had a friend on my show some time ago
who was a Mormon and it was a
life-changing encounter for him
very spiritual experience that he had in
that church and his story is completely
different from mine and Christi Lee's
and so it's uh everybody has their own
encounters and so people want to project
it as being the truth which one of those
is the truth which one is the truth if
you meditate would you become possessed
and meditate it I was possessed McLean I
cleared out my mind and demons came in
remember Christians used to tell me that
that is a jacked-up philosophy and
theology that you can clear out your
mind and then demons inhabit you that is
a desam that's demonic that's a demonic
ideology right there to think that
you're fearfully and wonderfully made
and if you clear out your mind you stop
thinking about all the garbage and all
the stuff that you stop thinking about
the bills you stop thinking about your
meal you stop thinking about your diet
you stop thinking about your clothes
whatever it is consuming your thoughts
stop thinking about that
clear your mind out and focus on God
focus on nothing nothing this the the go
to the place in between the thoughts go
there although that's where the demons
live brother you know I've been told
that by many people that's where the
demons are don't do that you get demons
coming as soon as you do that demons
come in it sounds silly and people laugh
at me for talking about this who were
seasoned in meditation or whatever the
case is they laugh that we're having
this conversation but I've had so many
people in Christianity over the years
I'm in the Bible Belt so I kind of it's
a little bit different down here but
we've heard that so many times
if you empty out your mind you'll be
possessed by the devil's the most
amazing angelic encounters that I've had
with God what the Holy Spirit was when I
was reading the word the scriptures I
had worship music playing on in the
background and then I got a little
devotion in got in some prayer and it
just laid down and I tried to clear out
all the thoughts and I tried to go to
that place in between the thoughts
and I try to push every thought out I'm
laying down okay I'm gonna go play
basketball this evening Oh get that out
of there I got to do the laundry
move oh this my wife Oh get out of here
you know and and and maybe those things
are coming up for a reason they're
important you have to deal with them but
go to that place in between the in
between the thoughts where nothing
exists and hold it grab it hold it lay
there as long as you can and so I did
that in prayer in worship worship music
playing on in the background I begin to
get I feel the Holy Spirit come upon me
I begin to get up and I felt like the
Holy Spirit wanted to dance with and I
begin to dance in my home dance to the
music and I felt literally felt this
euphoria the Holy Spirit was wrapping
around my body and I began to dance with
God in my living room I went to this
place with God where we danced together
and it was it was euphoric
there was no drugs there was no I mean
worship music reading the Bible and
trying to get those thoughts out data
occupy the time and say you know what
this time is for God this time ain't
about thinking about basketball this
time ain't about reading a book this
time ain't about playing a video game
this time is about focusing on God and I
had amazing encounters and I just begin
to recreate that keep doing it over and
over and I would have amazing encounters
man we'd have supernatural counters
encounters with God with Jesus and I
remember that dancing with the Holy
Spirit in my house it was just it felt
like it was rapping or it wasn't like it
was in me you know you feel the Holy
Spirit within you or you get the chill
bumps like it was that but I literally
felt it moving and dancing and wrapping
around my legs it was awesome
good stuff but it's about going to the
place in between the thoughts get all
those thoughts
that are that are trying to occupy your
time and so for people to say that
that's demonic thing is I think it's
demonic to like go into prayer and
you're thinking about something else
you're thinking about the video games
you're thinking about dinner tonight
trust me ask my wife if my wife is
talking to me and my mind is you know
I'll try to do I like the multitask but
she deserves my undivided attention
I'll be I'll be texting someone
and my wife's talking to me and then I'm
replying to an email and watching a
YouTube video and I and I can hear what
she's saying right but I don't all the
time process and I have to stop have to
put that phone down wait on this email
and around whatever I wherever we are
and just get from my undivided attention
God is the same way the Holy Spirit is
the same way deserves your undivided
attention and you'll see you begin to
start showing God a little bit of extra
attention maybe he'll start showing you
a little bit you get a little bit of
extra attention from God it could happen
it could happen I really believe that
that's where everything takes place that
is in the prayer chambers which is in
the secret place the quiet place the
majority of my music is about encounters
in the secret place was God
and so you have access to the universe
the multiverse you have access to
everything you're seated in heavenly
places with Christ Jesus as you go into
that quiet place of prayer and
supplication and just communing with God
it is very much symbolic for the wedding
chamber that one would go in with their
spouse where the two become one flesh
you go into this sacred place I'm
telling you like giving it your
undivided attention why would you go to
the wedding chamber why would you go to
the bedroom with your spouse and you're
thinking about all that's all you
thinking about other people you're
thinking about video games you're
thinking about the bills no that's a
sacred that's a sacred space man the
same with prayer and supplication don't
fear it that's insane and I know this
sounds like um like it's elementary for
a lot of people um it sounds silly but I
get this a lot over the years from
Christians who are scared they think
they're gonna be possessed if they
meditate I'll do it
meditate upon the Lord meditate upon the
word meditate upon what is beautiful
what is pure what is righteous and it's
a tool do you are you trying to be
possessed you can you can get you sure
you can get possessed
I got possessed meditating so yeah it is
possible but like we went to the place
at the beginning we're talking about
it's all about the intent what is your
intention what are you trying to do you
have to go into it with an intent my
intent and in that space was to commune
with my father who loves me
the lover of my soul to commune with
that entity that being the essence which
is in all and through all its in the
breath it's in everything
mr. pranayama is the life force in
everything that was my intent so have
your intent even Debby talked about you
know closing yourself and making sure
your seat belt is on those kind of
things so you have to use wisdom you
don't just run in you run in you're
gonna get done in you know I'm saying
that you do have to be careful it's not
a game it can be dangerous if you're
focusing on the wrong things like if you
know my first encounters with the spirit
realm I was a negative individual I was
robbing people I was breaking in the
houses I was stealing cheating I was
stealing from stores and then I was
doing occult rituals and then I was
trying to contact demons and entities
and whatever wanted to come through
guess what some stuff came through and I
bit off more than I can chew but it was
because of what I was doing it was what
I was vibrating at it was what I was
trying to contact and I did it the wrong
way
I got possessed I did so it is possible
but all of these same meditation
psychedelics prayer yoga is all tools
it's all tools prayer okay who are you
praying to it's prayer demonic no what
if you're praying in the demons it
becomes demonic right all things are
permissible but not all things are
beneficial what is your intent behind it
what are you trying to create what are
you trying to accomplish meditation this
meditation demonic no are you meditating
trying to contact demons and will asking
demons to in hitting and habit your body
then it becomes demonic right
it becomes because you're doing it with
the wrong spirit with the wrong motive
yes you have to be careful this it is
you know we talked about this stuff
openly really deep stuff you have to be
careful we don't want to play with this
Christianity people playing with
Christianity Christianity has nothing to
play with God is not to be mocked the
Bible none of this stuff is to be played
with
we encourage exploration but it's not to
be taken lightly those who put their
hands to the plow and look back are not
worthy for the kingdom look at Lot's
wife put your hand to the plow and turn
away there's there's stories when it
comes to Kundalini of people having
people becoming disillusioned by opening
their third eye and there's gonna be
videos that you can find where people
say I got possessed by opening my third
eye
I got possessed through Kundalini Yoga
and they're gonna give you the testimony
and so when it comes to weighing that
out with the holy spirit which is the
same thing the prana all of it's all the
same thing
I said well you don't get possessed with
the Holy Spirit it's just a perfect
gentleman it's just beautiful it's just
lovely Kundalini will get you possessed
as a difference no you can get pizzette
you can you can get disillusioned in the
churches I can I can I know more people
than I should who are disillusioned in
churches saying that God told me this
God told me that and God ain't said a
damn word about that too you know it was
God and it's crazy stuff crazy stuff but
they're talking about God told me this
the Holy Spirit told me that your
disillusion you're in dysphoria because
you put your
into the plow and you look back
something something happened you didn't
balance to energy even with the holy
spirit what do you mean balance in the
energy of the holy spirit yeah there
comes a lot of responsibility upon you
it's not a game you don't play with this
none of it
you don't play with the Kundalini you
know play with the holy spirit you don't
play with the prana I'll play with
breath work I know we make it sound fun
put it in a rap song you know what I'm
saying like there's a lot of
responsibility even for me to be judged
if I don't tell you guys this stuff like
I have to but I encourage exploration I
really do
I should but do it the right way take
precautions and all of it take
precautions in all of it but explore if
these things are calling out to you like
I say I don't think you have any choice
but to go down those paths if
psychedelics are calling out to you
they're calling you you have no choice
but to go down that path and do that
stuff and that's what happened to me and
it changed my life in a beautiful way
there's people who went out and did it
with us in it they had a beautiful
encounter they went out they abused it
if you're abusing the church if you're
abusing the Holy Spirit if you're
abusing the Kundalini it's not gonna be
good it's not gonna be good for you if
you're abusing if you're taking
advantage of people in the church if
you're a pastor if you're a leader
you're messing with children in the
church if you love that power if you're
getting drunk on power no matter how big
your platform is you got7 fans seven
followers seven patrons whatever if
you're getting drunk on power not gonna
be good for you you better learn to
balance the energy you better learn to
keep your hands clean in your heart pure
each and every one of you guys so many
people who I'm involved with you
everybody's seeking a platform everybody
wants to be heard and I think you should
but you better do the damn work you
better do the due diligence you better
you're gonna be tested and I'm open
about it I'll get you know women
petition me and all kind of weird stuff
goes on you're gonna be petition you're
gonna be head up Adam star seed be
maturity is key everyone
guys get ready it's coming if that's
what you're seeking it's gonna come be
encouraged Oh do it you all have a story
your story can benefit people it's gonna
come it's gonna come and you may have
the right intentions and you might have
the right motives but you aren't ready
for these attacks you ready for these
demons you ready for the dark night of
the soul it can send you in a whirlwind
some people don't come out of it that's
a fear to die in that to die in that to
be sucked away going down a path that
you have no business going down and you
die in that I've seen marriages
destroyed I've seen ministries destroyed
I've seen kids growing up without
fathers because of their dad or whoever
was a minister and get sucked into a
extra marital affair and it couldn't
balance the energy couldn't balance you
better do the work man if you seek in a
platform if you're teaching people the
Bible says you're gonna you're gonna be
judged with the harsher judgment I do
believe that in this a respect issue I
respect the platform
I respect the spirits I respect the
devil I respect Satan I respect all of
it I don't play with none of it and you
better - well I don't respect the devil
he's the buh-buh-buh-buh don't respect
nothing you better you better Never Say
Never Never Say Never we're talking
about this this morning there's churches
out there who are doing celebrate
recovery reaching out to all these
addicts and really on a slight tip
trying to get them to be members of your
church and stuff reaching out to all
these addicts who are usually if you're
addicted to a substance and you're in a
situation where you're openly abusing
yourself you're a weak-minded individual
many of us have been down that path you
come into Christianity they tell you
what to do tell you when the sleep tell
you when to wake up tell you what to
touch what to eat all of this stuff
so you're easily dismayed right people
can tell you what to do when you follow
them because they have a suit and tie or
they have charisma with people or they
have
some spiritual authority so you begin to
follow these people so in the churches
there celebrate recoveries in their
there with the scripture talking about
sending them out there trying to do a
good deed but they're sending them out
in and making them twice the the son of
hell than they were to begin with you
gotta be careful man with these with
these people man lives are precious man
dealing with these these addicts and
people who are who are on substance man
you got to be careful and I forgot where
I was going with that but we were
talking about um we're talking I did in
the discord earlier how they end up
doing more harm than good
at the end of the day people in you know
abusing themselves and then you're gonna
be judged you got to be careful with
that stuff y'all man
you know I guess a couple one thing I
had some notes here to ask Debbie and
stuff so I'll kind of go down this path
here for a few minutes but talking to
the dead Tabou to do to not not to do
what's going on with that let's approach
it from a biblical perspective there's a
lot of people now in the prophetic
movements of stuff for what they're what
they've deemed to be communing with the
great cloud of witnesses there's a
scripture and a verse that says now that
we are surrounded by such a great cloud
of witnesses and this great cloud of
witnesses are the elders and church
fathers and things like that heroes of
the faith that kind of have went on
before us some of these people in the
movements are having encounters with
their people that led them to God that
people led them to God and they're
having encounters with with with
people who have passed on their elders
are like God is leading them to go get
go out and get a hotel fast and pray
they go and do it and then their elder
who has been dead for 10 years shows up
in spirit and teaches them and in parts
them wisdom to them impart some wisdom
to them have an encounter and it's
happening more and more a lot of people
are doing this I don't know you know and
then other people are saying you know
they're doing similar things like that
and Moses is appearing to them Jesus is
appearing the spirits of the departed
people who died physical deaths on this
earth are coming in spirit of
communicating with the dead so it is
something that is now being explored by
a lot of Christian sects
a lot of Christian denominations are
kind of exploring this idea some of the
big name people Todd white one of the
biggest evangelists out there right now
who had the he has stories where this
happened to him he was visited by
spirits of his departed elders that he
looked up to and that taught him but
there's the great cloud of witnesses and
I'll say the synchronicity there for me
was this and um I was watching you know
at the peak of my awakening going
through all this stuff bunch of crazy
stuff going on I'm watching Star Wars
right and we look how obi-wan he had a
he had a teacher which was quite Gon
Jinn to me watching it that's Jesus
qui-gon jinn as I'm watching Star Wars Y
GaN Jin is Jesus to me and little things
he's saying and stuff like that so I
think spiritually to me he represented
Christ and then obi-wan represented us
which honestly they all represent us
it's the hero's journey type deal right
that's where the movie came from Joseph
Campbell so anyway qui gonn Y GaN Jin
the Jesus character dies and Yoda takes
obi-wan at the end of one of the movies
and he they walk off into the sunset
he's like follow me I got some things I
want to show you
is that what is is like I'm gonna show
you how to commune with the one who is
gone before you I'm gonna teach you how
to communicate with him he's a obi-wan
and I took that and I put it in a song
to me that was profound I was like wow
Yoda is fixing to take him and teach him
how to connect with his elder that has
passed away and then you know Star Wars
goes on to kind of explore that
communing with with those people in him
speaking to you whether it's the Holy
Spirit of Jesus in our in our time and
when I went I seen that my mind went
straight to the Bible with the amount of
configuration a Transfiguration where
Jesus goes up to the mountain to pray he
goes up there and then as he's as he's
praying he brings James I think it's
James John and Peter he brings them or
John and Peter he brings them up the
mountain with him he's always tried to
get them to go with them well finally we
get a look at what happens when Jesus
goes up on top of these mountains or
goes inside of these mountains to pray
so they go up the mountain
there with him Jesus starts praying
immediately this cloud comes upon them a
voice comes out of the cloud such
communicating with Jesus jesus's clothes
changed to his ascended form looking
much like Gandalf the White from Gandalf
the Grey
coming back to Gandalf the white type
deal right his raiment was white
everything turned brilliant his face was
shining and all this stuff the voice is
communicating with him through the
clouds and then Moses and Elijah show up
who've been passed on for so many years
they came and it started communicating
with Jesus and so Peter and John seen
this and they're recording this like
they're blown away right that's the
picture of me like this little bitty
nuggets sprinkled throughout Star Wars
and throughout you know a lot of these
these other holy books as well this was
like common stuff even some of the books
that were taken out of the Bible talked
about very similar things like this I'm
convinced that this happened every time
Jesus went to pray Jesus went to pray he
would pray for hours like clockwork he
would go away in it and when I talked
about going into the prayer closet going
into that secret place with God this is
what I'm talking about Jesus would go in
the mountain or on a mountain he'd go
off by self and pray for like hours
straight
what is he praying about God I ask you
to take care of my family my friends got
leukemia I'm asking you to bless them
then forth healing I ask you in my name
you know what is he praying he's I'm
convinced he's communing with his elders
the first time we get to see it's all
speculation but the first time we do get
to see what happens these guys went with
him they seen that happening and it's
only written of like one time where that
actually happened in the New Testament I
believe but I'm convinced that that was
every time I have no reason not to think
it I just the first time that somebody
went into there to kind of write down
what was going on
he's communing with the elders is he's
because people are doing this now like
it's happening people are going off to
pray I've had many visions of
supernatural encounters and and spirits
showing up like we've seen some weird
stuff man this stuff is possible so
communing with the dead they're deceased
they've they've passed on Moses and
Elijah is there
I know people who claim to link I said
talk with Noah and all kind of crazy
stuff I don't I know I wasn't there to
validate it I got it have that encounter
I didn't have that experience but I've
had similar encounters where I can see
you know maybe this is happening you
know maybe this is happening for that
person so going back to the churches and
going back to the celebrate recovery
where they're dealing with drug addicts
they're helping people get off the
street all that kind of stuff they're
they're trying to help people get off a
dope right in these celebrate recovery
things and many of us have done this but
I have and I've said that I've been
saying this a lot but I never say never
never say never I can't tell you how
many of these pastors these church
leaders these elders say I will never do
that nope I'm good I'll never do it I'll
never say never I'll never do that and I
knew people I knew pastors who come out
of the dope game will come out of the
shady lifestyles who were living a good
life they're ministers at churches now
beautiful wife and kids great family
doing it and they come out of that
lifestyle and needs they'd say I'll
never do that again brother I'll never
smoke meth again I'll never put that
pipe to my lips I'll never do that I'll
never do this and I know they mean well
when they say it but I feel like that's
a I feel like you're tempting God they
said you'll never do something you can
now I never say never now I will not do
it and we all feel like nope I'm never
gonna have a sip of alcohol I'm never
going back to the bottle I'm never gonna
do this I'm never gonna fall away you
find out two three years time is it time
is something else Tom will have its way
with you
it'll break you I don't jump god I never
say never I'm thankful but the grace of
God that keeps us in is able to hold us
but to never say never man those people
like I knew those people they went back
to smoking dope I'd add that that pastor
he's in prison right now I love him he's
in prison right now and many of them car
salesman fell into it extra extra
marital affair now the car salesman
other bank tellers it were pastors there
were spiritual leaders spiritual pillars
of their community now they're bank
tellers in an instant that could be
taken away from you
don't let your talent take you to a
place that your character can't keep you
don't put the cart before the horse do
the spiritual work welcome it learn from
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talking about you in discord and you
know how cool it is that you've been
through a lot of stuff and you know and
when people have seen my journey my
journey has been online and Facebook
like it's I've always been out there on
that platform so people have seen me in
many different stages of this growth and
who I've become who I'm becoming
right they've been able to see that and
they've been that many people have been
able to laugh at that many people have
been able to scoff at that
but then again many people have been
able to learn and to grow from that you
don't just learn from your mistakes you
don't just learn from what's happening
to you you learn from what's happening
to other people around you especially if
you're studying a niche you're studying
if you're trying to go and get into
something look at people doing it see
how they're doing it what's working
everybody wants to patreon now everybody
wants to everybody wants to podcast like
you study people and then you try to
mimic it but they're like true seeker
man you you know you've put up with a
lot of stuff but you stay strong at the
end of the day bill
you're still here you didn't give up
many people would have given up many
people did give up I've rubbed shoulders
with people in the churches they're not
in there anymore they they don't even
believe in God anymore all of this stuff
these people who have last out over the
years how do you do it
you get used to it and um but at the end
of the day you got to stop caring for
people who don't care about you not
caring because we do care maybe that's
not a good word but you got to stop like
worrying about their opinions you got to
stop worrying about the opinions of
others like it matters know people are
talking about you people are judging you
for talking about aliens on Facebook
people are judging you for talking about
psychedelics on Facebook people are
judging you or doing this or doing that
right I went through that stuff you know
and they laughed at it they scoffed at
it or whatever I made sure that I didn't
go like to Bible studies in church
meetings to start talking about this
stuff though but I created my platform
the podcast years ago um and I started
doing it so you go through scoffing and
like you know and I'll say this other
people have heard more than I have like
usually when I hear something it just
it's word of mouth maybe those guys were
talking about you or hey that Pastor
said this or hey that woman said that
there they never like come to me and
like you know if you think somebody's in
error if you think somebody's in sin
like you should go to that person and I
would it would blow my mind cuz people
would uh eventually I would hear stuff
and I checked people say brought heard
you were I'm sorry what's up and they'll
say stuff and they're like I said well
if you believe that I'm in error if you
believe that I'm doing something wrong
you believe I'm going to hell right do
you not love me enough to come and tell
me and they'd have their reasons why
they didn't well you know the Bible
better than me while I'm intimidated my
pastor told me not to so if I'm going to
hell go get your pastor if you think
i'ma handle you with the scriptures go
get your pastor maybe he's more learned
and y'all come together and rebuke me
and straighten me out and cast demons
out of me or whatever the case is and
but it never happened so most of it's
like gossiping like
word of mouth type stuff that I've had
to put up with over the years and they
tell me what other people said or stay
away from true seeker about all this
stuff like how do you still do it like
it it's I live in it's not really it's
kind of a small town I'm in Mobile
Alabama but my renowned precedes me the
podcast is people sharing it I'm going
live on social media now like I'm just
looking at there's been a lot of people
man a lot of people have clicked this
link and watched it it shows me even if
they jump in for a second it shows me
their name pop-up so people know what
we're doing people know what we're
talking about and if it ain't for them
keep it moving at this point in
Christianity I was trying to beckon you
like I was trying to handle you with
theology I was trying to trick you
almost to become a Christian and I had
to win the conversation I had to win the
theology I had to win the point because
I had the truth many of you guys thought
that felt like you have the truth you
have the truth at all these people
everybody's wrong but your theology is
on point you've studied you've been here
a long time you've went through the
stuff ba ba ba ba ba you got it so now
you got to go out there and deal with
people and win them over to Christ and
rebuke them and tell them not to do this
and do that and all kind of stuff we're
dealing with with religion people know
what we're doing you feel like you have
the truth you feel like you got it
figured out and in Christianity I did
that but now I've given up my right to
be right so much peace has come in
instead of finding out like how I can
nitpick somebody's belief system oh I
can nitpick what somebody believes and
how they're wrong
I'm telling you man the first time I've
really felt that spiritual freedom come
in that area was when I was dealing with
Catholics there was a Catholic dude who
was hanging out with us I was gonna get
tatted up with my homey white Mike gonna
get tatted up with him and he had some
guys he was reaching out to one of them
was a Catholic and if you're a Catholic
I know all the scriptures to debunk
Catholicism you pray to Mary you call
your do you call it a the not the priest
you call him father like all of these
different ways that my man was trained
over the years how to dismantle your
theology and win you to Christ
tomate to my doctrine like I studied
that you all many of you have studied
that you know how to do it you can break
it you can break it down you could chop
it up up up up a lot and do it but the
first time I felt that freedom I knew I
was gaining the ground is that I went I
hung out with this guy and I did not I
didn't bring it up that I didn't bring
it up I thought about it am i trying to
go back hey let me just dismantle it
slow do so we can give him some truth
let me show him that he's in a idolatry
he's worshipping idols he's worshipping
fallen fallen angels through the
Catholic religion let me show you that
in a Bible I had to catch myself and I
didn't do it man so the first time it
was like a releases okay man let me just
find what I agree with this dude on he
loves Jesus hey me too man
he's awesome Annie you know and just
love him where he is in his journey I
said we know you have a responsibility
if he's in a false religion if he's
practicing a false way you have you're a
watch you're a watchman you have to pull
them out of that how dare you let him
stay in that false religion true seeker
how dare you you have a responsibility
no I gave up my right to be right
I respect the process I respect where
this dude is he maybe he's seen
something that I haven't seen maybe he's
looking at it from within maybe he has
it you know and so that that's a bit of
arrogance to have to feel like you have
it all figured out so you have all these
people who have it all figured out
they're going to war with each other
doctrinally and even in the ancient
world you know physical wars because
your doctrine are you worship this God
or you have that this God's banner or
whatever the case is so people are doing
that with doctrine I got when I got out
a Christian rap man I was so relieved
and I was like you know what y'all were
doctrine banging and these dudes like
gangbanging with the Bible it is insane
referencing Bible verses and chapters a
man but y'all believe this man y'all
believe that a book it got weird they
wouldn't want to be seen on stage with
you they wouldn't do a song with you
all kinds of just weird shady stuff and
that stuff is demonic man y'all y'all
missing the point
what we teach here at the true seeker
podcasts did you just see what Jesus did
you just emulate it just do that and
worry about that I like to talk about
some of the theologies and stuff but
just simply emulate what Jesus is doing
he's helping people he's loving those
who don't deserve love he's showing
grace to those who quite frankly don't
deserve grace do that and see what
happens
just be Jesus to these people y'all
rather be poorer to these people I read
y'all y'all want to teach these people
with doctrine and theology but sly way
doing insecure they challenge you cuz
you might be wrong now I ain't wrong I
know the truth truth was revealed later
and put up with this stuff over the
years man this is demonic thank you got
it all figured out you missing out
you're missing out love is the answer
love is the key is Jesus the only way to
God
I'll tell you all the time yes because
Jesus is love it's a religion away to
God no there's this the way to God is
that no I didn't know it's love man
whatever is built upon that Christ is
the foundation for me he is the
cornerstone love is the cornerstone
anything that you're building upon love
is going to stand
that's the firm foundation not doctrine
not theology is not being right it's
love at the end of the day I don't care
what religion you are what set you with
all of that stuff look and I just seen
look my video went out too much truth
hit him with that truth we're back
um get steep guys forgive me for ranting
but hey you guys are still listening so
it's on you talking to the dad we
covered that I'll say this too because
she was talking about um the childlike
faith becoming like a like a child right
another big learning curve for me was
what my daughter my daughter you know
started growing and I'm a Christian I'm
a believer got a got a winner to Jesus
right got a teacher about Jesus got a
winner to Jesus so here's me when my
daughter was younger I'm trying to tell
her about Jesus we've always told her
about Jesus well I was being inspired
we've had the essence of Christ I mean
we are Christians we are little Christ
but then I wanted to like win her to
Jesus like she had to say this prayer
the sinner's prayer which is not in the
Bible anywhere this prayer of confession
that a lot of evangelist used but I
thought that because that's how I came
to Christ I had to say this prayer or
whatever the case was so I'm trying to
witness to my daughter about Jesus and
say hey you ready to pray ask him into
your heart and it was really weird for
me because he didn't understand it it's
like I already have Jesus already
there's a little kid and she's always so
telling me that like Christ is already
within her and she's like giving me
wisdom but it's messing with my theology
I'm gonna hold on you gotta have to
repeat what I say you have to repeat
this prayer like anyway and we did never
prayed you know him say we never did we
pray every night though cuz she it was
like she's been raised in it you know so
she already had this connection there
for being a kid in that innocence which
is so beautiful and then on top of that
she's been raised in here in prayer and
thanking God and all that kind of stuff
so that really that really uh threw me
for a loop that was the fact that I
thought that I had to win my daughter to
Jesus he's already won her she's already
with with interest she understood that
the
was big for me understanding these kids
and how they are close to Christ you
know I've covered most of my notes here
that I just wanted to kind of make
points on you know people are judging
you regardless people are making fun of
you
regardless not to your face it's not
gonna be done to your face usually
behind your back people are cowards most
of them that do that and they do it too
they do it because you represent
something that they don't like about
themselves you represent what does true
sticker represent I have to look at this
like I had I have to make sense of this
how do you do it like how do you make
sense of it do you freak out it will
like can you fathom the spiritual energy
that you feel when you have a whole
congregation of Church aggregation who
are mocking you from the pulpit making
fun of you you know how that feels
you have to learn from this stuff though
so why I try not to gossip about people
while I try not to judge these people or
I too have been judged in my life do you
know that's how God teaches you I
learned not to gossip by having to know
what it feels like when churches gossip
about you quite literally I gotta know
how that feels it doesn't feel good you
can literally feel the energy of it your
words have power Jesus condemned people
he said by your speech you'll be
condemned he told people he said look
y'all are out here speaking that was
sometimes what Jesus said look you're
gonna be in danger of hellfire and it
was by using your words against people
to hurt people and to bring people down
if Jesus said that dealing with that
it's important man your words have power
life and death is in the power of the
tongue
you have the power to bless you have the
power to pull down with the words that
you say to people use them use them
wisely you bless people and create all
kind of beautiful things with you with
your words but you you learn from from
that stuff and you start you got to
learn not to care about what people
think about you who aren't serving you
and it was really weird for me because I
genuinely cared about you know most of
these like people in church and stuff
and some of the guys I would be you know
it's big for me because like I would
have conversations with different
ministers and stuff on the phone and
when we would hang up it wasn't
something new to me I they would say I
love you brother
love you man it's like okay you could
test my you love him but how do you
respond to that you like hey I love you
like I love you too
you know I'm saying so that was a big
thing for me to say to another man it
was just kind of awkward to tell her
another man that you loved him on the
telephone but in that few seconds it
took me to kind of rationalize okay I'm
only gonna say this because I genuinely
love these people I got I can say that I
love you too and then we you know when
adversity hits whenever stuff hits the
fan or whatever and these people are
gone you're like these people love me a
dude was telling me he loved me on the
telephone ain't that weird you know and
um
so for me at this point they're like how
do you keep moving like how do you stay
I said I got a vision in mind I know who
I am you have to know if you don't know
who you are you you allow these people
to put these labels on you and tell you
who you are I went through it I had to
learn to I learned by going through it
and several years removed from that
stuff it's it's 2018 this stuff started
happening in like 2010 really and even
before they even when I was just in
Christianity as a minister they've
always had little bitty things to say
like you're doing this wrong you're not
doing this so you're not doing that it's
all I've always had contention there
even in the church realm so as trying to
keep everything straight
biblical not talking about anything that
kind of ruffle the feathers type stuff
you know um so they've always been
talking you know you guys focus on
demons too much I will let you come to
our church but you know Johnny G Johnny
got some good friend of mine he's
probably watching I reached out to him
recently but they used to they just try
to pick my songs for me and I come to
the church they want to go through my
songs and they do this song don't do
that song because we talk about the
spirit round we talk about demons and
stuff and I would share my testimony and
I would share about dealing with demons
are in the past and they'd ask us not to
they tell us not to not to talk about
demons there would be a church full of
like 300 kids I'll say kid of teenagers
right and they said I don't think yeah I
don't think any of these kids have
demons true seeker just don't speak on
at this time and I would just tell my
story and it's part of my story you know
and it asked me not to talk about it and
and I we we'd go to we go to these
recovery centers man when these people
who hooked on dope hooked on opiate
addiction hooked on all this stuff these
drugs and they tell us they're not to
talk about demons keep because of the
theology wasn't but they're like yeah I
don't think they're ready for the demon
stuff a thing that's the number one that
you start with the demons what you mean
not they're not ready like that's the
starting point what do you think
addiction is you think this mindset to
be addicted to a substance is is demonic
you have to deal with that stuff so I've
always you know had contention there but
we've always seen fruit man we've always
stayed faithful so over the years now
that we're some years removed and true
seeker is this true seeker is that be
careful stay away at the end of the day
eff true seeker honestly you know what
I'm saying laughs Adam whatever I could
be dead these people don't even care so
like I went through some really really
rough times coming out of that stuff was
like all your friends forsaking you and
stuff like that I'm on the other side of
it now but going through that was very
hard and you learn you learned some
things that you're only gonna learn
through that adversity
nobody can tell you and get you ready
for it
but you have to actually go through it
to get the wisdom to get the adversity I
like to lift weights I like to workout
sometimes it's more of a good idea than
going in doing it and if you want to get
them shoulders right if you want to
workout you actually got to go out there
and pick up the weights and you got to
add resistance onto it you got to add
weight that resistance keep lifting keep
working it out you get better you get
better you get better you do it but it
works at the end of the day it works if
you're trying to gain muscle that
resistance that adversity who is the
father of adversity the devil serves you
God orchestrates at all that's the
sovereignty of God all of that stuff all
of the gossip all of the slander all of
the accusations all of the giggles all
of the laughter all of the blogs
everything that I've had to go through
over the years have paid the way for
where I am now and for you too
that's your spiritual alchemy use those
things take it all use it as a stepping
stone from one level to the next you
learn what not to do look at those guys
who are going outside of their marriage
and losing their platform and losing
their renown'd and losing all of losing
their mind see what's happening to them
and don't do it don't do that it doesn't
work out don't slander don't do this
don't do that you learn from other
people going through it and if you can
do that man you're going to be able to
be steps of head speed steps ahead of
other people that you don't have to
actually make those mistakes yourself to
learn you learn and you respond with
love which is which is Jesus you respond
like Christ responded with love in every
situation with love with trust and and
and not doubting
responding with love and that's how you
passed the test to get to the next
lesson and it goes as deep and as deep
in a spiritual wisdom and spiritual
authority as deep as your mind can
fathom it'll go as deep as your mind can
fathom whatever you believe whatever you
want to see you could do it as a man
thinketh in his heart so shall he be
what are you thinking about what are you
meditating on what do you believe is it
jacked up judgment and all kind of crazy
stuff are you gonna get that you're
gonna receive that um everybody's
wanting here in the live chat they're
wanting a Debbie's info I don't know
what happened I guess her phone went
dead or something I don't know what
happened um she's on tour right now um
you can go to her website vibrational -
energy calm she's on tour she's in
Canada she's touring doing uh readings
and presentations and workshops and
things like that really cool she's on
tours he got a tour schedule and all
that kind of stuff up - so yeah
vibrational - energy calm and you can
get all of Debbie's info that way and
drop her a line let her know you seen
her on the podcast and stuff so you can
keep up with her stuff there so yeah
really good conversation what we got
into speaking to the dead you know we
just did a podcast I just put it up
yesterday which was the one about the
guy who said you know he the Dead was
contacting him in his house he was in a
haunted house you know and what what is
that a lot of people a lot of Christians
don't believe in ghosts
they base a lot of them base it off of
one scripture where the scripture says
to be absent from the body is to be
present with the Lord so I guess there's
no in-between realm there's no getting
caught there's no traveling back to
earth or maybe
occupying the heaven that is here
whatever the case is like they just
believe that it like once you die you're
with with God so any type of ghost any
type of disembodied spirit
is the demon as a God with a little G
coming to deceive you and things like
that people people believe that I seek
any comment me and Kenny was talking
about about this to like so there's many
people who believe about that we look at
Samuel saw King saw contact he went to
the Witch of Endor a medium to contact
Samuel for wisdom Samuel was passed on
and he she seen these these gods or the
spirits coming out of the ground and one
of them was Samuel he called Samuel
forth Samuel showed up and talked to him
so there's a lot of even with that
scripture it blessed out people's
theology because no you can't contact
spirit spirits are dead they can't
answer you so you have to make up a
theology well that's a demon but that
doesn't the Bible doesn't say that that
that was a demon the Bible says that it
was Samuel you know when he goes on to
say Samuel over and over and over that
it was talking with the spirit of Samuel
and there's a lot of other cases where
spirits of the Dead come back to contact
people there's all types of spirits we
talk about this all time there's all
types of spirits and their spirit
contact all throughout the Bible in good
stories about it like good like the word
angel means messenger they bring
messages people were so we talking about
it's like well you know when somebody
dies those are the people who really
understand truth they understand what
happens hey well what about when they
bring back that information
what about when they die and we say that
okay they have it all figured out now
that they're dead right about when they
share information with you but be
careful
a lot of Ouija board and see what
spirits are around you and you got to be
careful man
you really do connect with the Holy
Spirit at the end of the day it would
God at the end of the day the beginning
of the day that's a different story get
what the Holy Spirit man get what God
that God's plan for your life and it's
interesting there's this the bibot it
was a website some time ago called Bible
UFO calm it's and I've spoken about this
in the past but it was um what was his
name now man his name is slipping my
mind right now um but it was a website
called Bible UFO calm and it was full of
UFOs in the Bible and all types of stuff
I forgot what is his name he's passed on
now anyway he once he died his wife
ended up deleting the website but you
can actually go back on some other
website called Wayback Machine wayback
machine will let you view like old web
sites but it was a really
synopsis that he wrote Patrick cook was
his name but he had this really um I
don't even know if I'm gonna be able to
find it anyway but it talked about like
it had all of these weird paranormal
words and phrases in it about the Bible
and it was talking about um dragons and
pyrokinesis clairvoyance telekinesis
levitation dragons unicorns like it
named all of this really cool stuff and
he said all of this is within the Bible
and it was really cool because it is and
I remember getting a sucked into his
work some time ago and and he had
everything on that website it was a
really exhaustive website it could be
found if you go to wayback machine
wayback machine calm and then type in
Baba UFO calm and it'll go back and show
you the old website but um you know show
you some stuff that's a good Kenny
that's a really good thing you just
brought up in chat he says the Apostles
thought Jesus was a ghost I thought he
was a spirit yeah that's good man he did
I'm gonna use that and taking it mine
yeah when he sent me seen Jesus walking
on the water they thought a ghost was
coming out to him so they believed in
ghosts I believe then there was
superstitious people they were into
mysticism they believed in all that
kooky stuff maybe they knew more than we
did I think they do and if you go back
just to wanting to know what they knew
it's so deep those were some spiritual
individuals man don't they they were
religious at all they didn't even have
the Bible they even have the New
Testament like they are the New
Testament I'm looking at the disciples
and their stories and stuff
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