666, The Rapture, Babylon and The Mark of the Beast | Brian Godawa

End of the Word Rapture Babylon Mark of the Beast Brian Godawa
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with Brian gaddama Brian good morning
how are you my friend good Derick thanks
for having me on ready to rock and roll
here ready to get into it early this
morning yeah oh hey I got a question for
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my nose I put it on just the guest and
I'll pick my nose and come back like
nothing ever happened so yeah man we're
gonna get into it this morning I really
enjoyed our last episode that we did
together I got a like I was saying folk
we went live I got a lot of traffic from
your site you have a huge following
people adore your work you just come out
with another book which is the third of
the fourth installment of The Chronicles
of the apocalypse right this is a
resistant revolt of the Jews it's a good
place to start would be just kind of
give people an idea of what the
Chronicles of the apocalypse is for some
of the newer listeners who have never
heard of that
sure Chronicles of Apocalypse is a novel
series where I try to
basically I call it the origin story of
the book of Revelation so you know
you've gotten a lot out there these days
there's a whole you know there's a whole
market of books and novels about the end
times and what's it going to look like
and you know of course left behind is
the is the sort of the the big turning
point where because it's sold you know
over 60 million or more books and it was
it was the the dominant sort of
interpretation of the end times called
dispensationalism or slash
premillennialism not that that matters
if anyone cares but the point is is left
behind is sort of likely the typical
view and so nowadays there are a lot of
books where people say oh you know
what's what's the mark of the beast
going to look like in our future and all
this stuff and all of them assume that
the book of Revelation was written about
our time period or our near future and I
take a different tack on that in that I
want I want to go back and write the
story about the origin of the book of
Revelation when John wrote it in the
first century you know you've got a time
period that's just fascinating
historically for Christians number one
or really anybody interested in kind of
religious history because we're you know
we've got Nero is Nero Caesar is the
Emperor and of course he became famous
for engage in engaging and persecuting
the Christians throwing them to the
Lions and the reason why he did that was
because he needed a scapegoat for the
Great Fire of Rome and otherwise people
are gonna blame him for burning down
Rome so that he could rebuild it in his
in his image see and so he found a
scapegoat and he started persecuting the
Christians and at the same time right
around ad 66 or so the Jews in Israel
revolted against Rome you know they're
part of the Roman Empire but they were
expecting Messiah to come and they
didn't believe in Jesus so they were
still looking from inside but they
thought Messiah would be a political
military deliverer from Rome see so they
rose up against Rome in many you know
they were there were a divided faction
all over the place but nonetheless they
still rose up and Nero sent Vespasian
and his son Titus to with four legions
and multiple auxiliary units from
different countries and nations and he
sent them to quench the revolt and
ultimately they subdued all of Israel
and and ultimately destroyed Jerusalem
and destroyed the temple the Holy Temple
and that's a story that is historical
and I want to tell that story and but I
also have another aspect of it and that
is well first of all I mean let me
finish that was I think this is a
fascinating important story that many
people don't know I'm particularly many
Christians because it's sort of like
you're the if you read the New Testament
you know it goes up to the book at book
acts is like the latest thing written
right and it ends in the 50s or whatever
you know it ends before Paul even gets
gets executed
so he gets executed maybe somewhere
around you know in the early 60s or mid
60's and so a lot of people don't know
much what happens after that you know
then we'll jump to the Reformation or
the Roman Catholic Church you know stuff
like that there that historically Sunday
morning yeah yeah exactly and but this
this particular war of the Jews against
Roman stuff is a turning point for both
Christianity and Judaism because because
of the destruction the temple it changed
Judaism it forever it turned it from a
religion of Torah into a religion of
Talmud and because once they don't have
the temple they can no longer engage in
sacrifices and all the the the
prescriptions of Torah that they're
supposed to follow so they create a new
system to make up for it and which is no
you know which is why modern-day you
know is Judaism even Orthodox Judaism is
not biblical because they're not but
nevertheless that changed it forever
right
and it also changed history Hannity
forever because up until that point in
time Christian was still struggling in
in that it was still sort of a sect of
Judaism right they they were Jews mostly
and you know Paul started bringing the
gospel to the Gentiles but nevertheless
the main Jewish Church was still rooted
in Jerusalem they're still heavily
connect
did in fact some of the Apostles even
went to the temple and stuff and the
point is is that it wasn't until the
temple was destroyed that the Christians
sort of like got kicked in the bud and
from that point Christianity grew and
spread over the earth because they got
unrooted from the judaism and and the
reason why that was important was
because the whole premise of the New
Testament gospel was hey you know Jesus
was the Messiah the Jews first but then
to the Gentiles and when when the Jews
rejected their own Messiah then that
gospel as Paul said then the gospel
would go out into all the earth and you
know Messiah was supposed to bring Jew
I'm sorry
bring Jew and Gentile together as one
into a new Kingdom right and of course
you know most everybody expected that to
be literal on earth and physical so to
speak but it was actually a spiritual
Kingdom and that's why they missed it
and so that's sort of that's sort of the
the time period but this war is you know
it's a fascinating historical thing and
we have one exhaustive source that wrote
that about that war and what went on in
the detail so it was written by a Jewish
historian named Josephus and he is very
fascinating because he was a Pharisee
and
he fought in the war against the Romans
so he was there at the time and then he
got caught captured and he ended up
going over to the side of the Romans why
because he believed that Israel had been
unfaithful to Yahweh and this is what
and God was chastising Israel using the
Roman armies to chastise Israel and he
considered Joseph is actually considered
Vespasian to be the Messiah come to sort
of make the world one and unified in all
this but nevertheless he retained his
strong Jewishness and so he tried to
help persuade the Jews to surrender so
they wouldn't get destroyed but of
course they didn't and they did and so
Josephus has this intimate insider's
view in both the Roman camp and through
research the the Jewish camp as well so
it's
this fascinating story so I I've done
research on this and I wanted to bring
that to life that historical side to
life of what's going on that time period
all that long-winded discussion is sort
of like just the the sort of the
historical his story side that I'm
interested in but the other side is the
more controversial side and that is
where as you know most of these end
times novels these days are about
revelation being in our future I write
about how revelation was written for the
first century that's a shocker to a lot
of people because we have all these
assumptions but I try to show in the
novel how the John writes you how he
writes the revelation and how people may
have taken it and understood it in his
time period to relate to events that
were going on at that time and that's
the shocker
but it's really not so shocking because
in fact it's it's not a new view it's a
view that's been around for a long time
there's plenty of great scholars who
have supported it all the way in history
in fact one of the later ones is RC
spruill who's a very well-known
evangelical theologian you you can't
criticize him from being unorthodox in
any way yeah it's just that many
Christians aren't used to it so they
they react and they sell that's got to
be heresy because you know this is the
way how Lindsey taught me or this is the
way John Hagee told me and they don't
realize that so much and this is the key
point so much of what we've been taught
the that revelation is saying about the
end times is completely not true it's a
it's a it's sort of a an imposition of
our own cultural biases on the text so
we read the book of Revelation and we
read it through our eyes instead of
through the eyes of an ancient Jew to
them it was written and who was steeped
in Old Testament prophetic imagery and
symbolism and and that is what I hope to
do is to sort of bring a fresh approach
to understanding Bible prophecy in its
own context and how it might be
understood by those who wrote it to
those who they wrote it to it's a lot
it's a mouthful before we went live we
talked about this is understood as
preterism I've been calling it Preet ISM
you told me yeah preterism right is the
way to pronounce it this is growing
it really is growing you said that you
believe in the next 10 years or so this
very much could be the dominant view of
Christianity of understanding that most
of this stuff if not all of it has
already happened and I guess that's a
great point as most of it or all of it
happened yeah so there are different
views
you know everyone actually and for us
yeah partial pressures and stuff like
that but so you know whereas I still do
believe there is a an actual return of
Christ
an E and a final judgment and a
resurrection okay so we are still
waiting waiting on that yes but the
important point is it's not rooted in
everything that most people assume it is
like in other words it's not rooted in a
rapture Great Tribulation Antichrist you
know and Armageddon type of thing that
stuff was a reference to what was going
on in the first century CE and and
that's where it becomes very interesting
and dramatic because you know there's
you know we could go through lots of
different can't remember which examples
we went through on your show last time
well let me ask you this because I think
this is a good one in I can't remember
either which acts I knew it was a really
good episode but I mean I still get
these questions people have watched our
interview and it's and they've learned
from it they've taken notes from that
interview and those people are with us
in the chat and they're growing shoutout
to Danny Guerrero who's definitely into
this right now so um people I've got a
bunch of questions coming in but it's
talking about the resurrection of the
Dead let's just look at this um I know
it's in I know Peter talks about it it's
talked about in several different places
that when Christ returned from the grave
right there was a period of time where
the dead in Christ also rose and went to
the to their family members house and
their loved ones house it was preaching
the gospel in the streets
so for me to look at the whole you know
the dead in Christ shall rise and you
know come up from their graves like that
literally happened right so would that
be that scripture fulfilled because like
for me it is like that's what that is
for me sure sure yeah I mean that that
is what some people say I I don't
necessarily think that what you're
referring to is Matthew 27 when the
curtain of the temple was torn into that
was Christ's death and that you know
keep in mind what does that mean
you know first shift you have to realize
you know you have to really look into
the meaning of the text and in other
words that the curtain of the temple was
that which divided protected the Holy of
Holies as the ultimate sacred space
right where nobody could go in there if
anybody went in there they would die and
the only time anyone could go in there
is on one day on the day of atonement
and only the high priest could go in
there to sprinkle the you know the
bull's blood or whatever on the mercy
seat and so consequently the the fact
that when Christ dies he rips that
curtain in half is a very powerful
spiritual meaning that saying there's no
longer a a an exclusion from the Holy of
Holies now Christ has made a way into
the Holy of Holies for everyone who has
faith in Him and so that's sort of the
context and then it says you know the
tombs were opened and many bodies and
the saints who had fallen asleep were
raised now it doesn't say all the saints
and it says many of the saints were
raised and they were coming out of the
tombs after his resurrection they went
into the holy city and appeared to many
and it's just this weird bizarre little
verse about so maybe to be honest a lot
of scholars have a hard time with that
they did they don't know what to think I
barely hear about it you know when we're
talking about so yeah like I'll talk to
a lot of people they're like I don't
think that's in the Bible yeah yeah like
they came back and you know the you know
the Walking Dead was here you know yeah
yeah exactly it is fascinating now the
reason why I wouldn't think that it
necessarily fits the you know the the
final res
exit resurrection is like in Daniel 12
you know for instance it talks about
many of those in the sleep who sleep in
the dust of the earth shall wake okay it
says many doesn't say alright okay great
but it says some to everlasting life and
some to shame and everlasting contempt
and so I think that even in that context
what Daniel is talking about is
something that's happening I would argue
Daniel 12 is happening at the
destruction of the temple so I don't
think that this event that happens
during gee it's it's during Jesus's
death I don't think it's related to that
it's a different kind of a thing and
honestly I don't I don't have like some
certain explanation of it I can only say
I think it is a reflection of the of the
the power of God reflecting and these
these are Old Testament believers in
other words who fall asleep and were
raised it's sort of like another
validation of Christ's you know deity
and his his Messiahship and all that
there's all these different miracles
surrounding Christ that show oh he was
the Messiah and I I just think that's
one of them in that nobody you know you
don't really see people raised from the
dead except by the hand of God and and
so this is a particularly dramatic one
showing this is a very important event
and and I do think it might be tied to
the fact that you know there's other
stuff like in Peter where it talks about
how when Christ dies you know he goes
down into Hades and yeah she Oh lor what
is it yeah yeah Hades or she'll and he
proclaims his victory yes that's most
likely who these souls were right he was
going down to kind of I actually don't
think they are okay because the the the
Peter passage we're talking about is 2nd
Peter no it's first Peter first Peter
3:18 says Christ suffered for sins the
righteous for the unrighteous that he
might be bring us to God being put to
death in the flesh but made alive in the
spirit in which he went and proclaimed
to the spirits in prison so I think he's
actually going and proclaiming his
victory as Messiah to the spirits in
prison who are the spirits in prison
they were formerly it goes on to say
verse 20 they formerly did not
Bay when God's patience waited in the
days of Noah while the ark was being
prepared so I think that actually Peters
referencing this is a reference going
all the way back to Genesis 6 that talks
about how the Nephilim were in the in
the earth in those days and the and and
the sons of God came down from heaven
and the sons of God are the heavenly
spiritual divine beings who are around
God's heavenly hosts in heaven some of
them came down to earth at that time and
violated God's you know separation of
heaven and earth and they mated with
women and bore them the Nephilim and all
this kind of weird stuff but I think the
theological meaning of that is that
there's this group of fallen angels
basically who who came to earth and I
think those are the ones that were
imprisoned at the flood and and I draw
that from Jude as well you know Jude
talks about this he says the angel 6 the
angels who did not stay within their own
own proper abode right but they left
their their position Authority but they
left their proper dwelling
that's the angels or the sons of God
leaving heaven coming to earth and
violating the laws of God he says just
I'm sorry he says God has kept them in
eternal chains under gloomy darkness
until the judgement of the great day
so what happened to these somehow these
in the flood these these you know
angelic beings were Punic punished and
imprisoned until the judgment and so
that's where those are the ones that I
think Christ is going to in in in Hades
not to tell them the gospel not to free
them necessarily but to proclaim the
probably the word is Christ went and
proclaimed to the spirits in prison so I
think the context there is a
proclamation of his victory as Messiah
and as Messiah then there's also you
know we we're gaining of way off was
good man let's go you know Ephesians is
where it talks about how you know what
does it say where is that verse there it
is so it talks about how Christ ascended
in on high in Ephesians 4 verse 8 says
when he ascended on high he led a coasts
host of captives this is talking about
the Ascension of Christ so in Christ
ascended he held it led a host of
captives and gave gifts to men and so I
think that that in other words when
Christ ascended he brought you know it's
like he opened Hades and and he may have
freed all those old tests using the Old
Testament believers that there may have
been a freeing of them but in particular
that the text is actually saying he led
a host of captives and the question is
were those captives the Old Testament
Saints or were they were they these
these spirits of spirits of the Watchers
the watchers who were judged and and I
Michael Heizer makes a good scholarly
argument that these are the Watchers and
I agree with them because the notion of
captives is not a it's not a positive
thing because this whole notion of
leading a host of captives is actually a
reference to the ancient worlds the
ancient world had this thing called the
the military triumph or the triumphal
entry and that is when a enemy was was
you know
defeated and particularly with Rome as
well you know they had the triumphal
entry when Rome defeated an enemy they
would parade the fallen leaders dead or
alive they dragged them through the
streets of the city as a way of
proclaiming their victory and there you
know now we are your rulers you know
they're dragging the old rulers through
the streets so this picture of the Roman
triumph I think is what's going on in in
the biblical text which is really more
about dragging the enemy through the
streets because you've triumphed over
him and Colossians says this very thing
right Colossians
one or two euro Colossians two right 215
it says Christ disarmed the rulers and
authorities put them to open shame by
triumphing over them so and this is
talking about the cross when Christ died
on the cross rose from the dead and
ascended into heaven it's a three-part
complex event it's not just one thing
when he did all that Colossians says
that's when he disarmed the rulers and
what the rulers and authorities by the
way you do Athelstan that he's talking
about spiritual rulers not earthly
rulers so it's saying that you know this
is what Christ accomplished on the cross
as he disarmed those rulers and
triumphed over them there's that word
triumph again which is a reference to
the military triumph of dragging the
enemy through the streets so this is the
this is actually and this isn't you know
it's funny because this is not this is
the picture of what I call the watcher
paradigm or the divine council worldview
and what it is is this notion that who
are these Watchers and why are they
important to the gods of the Bible yeah
exactly the gods of the Bible and you
know you read Psalm 82 there's a lot of
passage where they show up but but
nevertheless Deuteronomy 32 8 and 10
through 10 is sort of like the classic
passage and that's where it sort of
depicts the basic notion that at the
Tower of Babel mankind is so sinful that
God just gives them over and they say
and he says basically okay you're so
sinful you're not gonna follow me so I'm
gonna give you over to the very gods
that you worship and they will be your
authorities over you so all the Gentile
nations in the biblical worldview were
under the authority of false demonic
deities or Watchers and then God says
but I will keep Jacob for myself and and
and whether you Monica at first though
well that's that's definitely a that's
definitely a just like these rulers who
just kind of inhabited the praises of
the people and kind of got you know
big-headed or something yeah
so the two theories would be that that
oh no God gave them to rule over them
and they were good and they were
supposed to rule and they rule bad I
don't think that's the case that would
like all of them across the board just
started to do wickedness type deal right
right exactly in other words I think a
full context when you do a study in the
whole storyline and the big picture I
think the context is no mankind's
already fallen the angels have already
fallen because they fell in in you know
Genesis 6 and so what God is doing is
he's doing what Romans 1 says he gives
them over in other words it's like okay
you're going to you're going to continue
to be wicked I'll give you over to your
wickedness I'll let you worship these
false gods and they will be your
authorities over you so but you know
what if you think they were good and
fell that's you know whatever the bottom
line is being worshipped we're not there
anymore yeah and so so this you know
we're going off onto this you know this
massive side trail but it's really not a
side trail because all of this stuff
that we're talking about here I have is
also a part of my chronicles of the
apocalypse don't you have the Chronicles
of the Nephilim and things like that as
well yes so I wrote an eighth book
series before this called Chronicles of
the Nephilim and in that series I I
basically went from the Bible and I
retold stories everywhere
most everywhere where Nephilim or
Watchers showed up i retold that story
and I filled out this storyline of the
Watchers and because you know Bible
doesn't say a lot about it but it does
hint at it and there is some material on
and there's Giants you know Goliath
wasn't the only giant you know there
were there were five other Giants who
were hunting David and that's in the
Bible it's just we don't see a lot of
this stuff because we read over it or we
don't understand the text but anyway so
yeah so those those eight novels I was I
was explaining this this watch or
paradigm and how it may have looked in
the spiritual realm and and I try to be
consistent with the Bible but I also you
know try to pull back the curtain here's
what what would the spiritual world look
like you know and so I have some
fantastic imagery and some really cool
stuff there and you know now that was
chronicles nothing but what happened is
I realized that by at the end of that
series it ended with Jesus Jesus
triumphant was the last book
and I realized that Jesus was was
preaching a message that it's another
message that I think a lot of Christians
miss and that is a lot of what he
preached was wasn't just that he was
bringing salvation of course that was a
message I am the Messiah come to bring
salvation but the second part of his
message was I'm also bringing the day of
vengeance of our God the day of the Lord
and wonder why this terrible day of the
Lord yeah yes a terrible day of the Lord
right and so people like to often say
you know let me give ya and and that
that day of the Lord that judgment is ad
70 the destruction of the temple
why because two things one in Matthew 23
Jesus says that the first the generation
of Jews of his day that crucified Him
we're guilty because they killed Messiah
they were guilty of the blood of all the
prophets that's what he says in Matthew
20 Matthew 23 you know he says look he
goes I will send you prophets and wise
men and scribes some of you will kill
and crucify but on you and he's talking
to the people of his day on you may come
all the righteous blood shed on the
earth from the blood of abel to the
blood of zechariah whom you murdered
truly i say to you all these things will
come upon this generation so he's saying
because this generation is gonna kill
Messiah they're gonna do the biggest the
the highest handed sin in all of history
right and in other words he said it
would be like you have the blood of all
the prophets because you're killing the
side and then right after that what does
he say is gonna do Oh Jerusalem
Jerusalem are long to gathered you but
you would not willing see your house is
left to you desolate and then he says
not one stone will be left upon another
so he's basically saying because you're
gonna kill Messiah this first generation
I'm going to judge you and I'm going to
destroy the temple so the destruction of
the temple is sort of God's judgment
you're on ancient Israel for rejecting
Messiah but it's a second thing - and
this gets into revelation the second
thing is it is also the historical the
history
vindication of the New Covenant because
of this God in them in Christ when he
dies on the cross that's supposed to
bring in the New Covenant that happens
in the heavenly realm but God is not a
God of just the heavens he's a God of
the earth and he's a God of history so
whatever he does spiritually he also
does historically to justify it so he
what he does is in order to vindicate
the claims of Christ as being Messiah
the one that you Jews rejected the first
century Jews we're not talking about
modern day right he says because you
rejected him I'm going to get rid of the
incarnation of the Old Covenant I'm
going to judge you but also get rid of
the old condition because think about it
if you're saying there's a new covenant
if you're if you're God and you're
saying there's a new covenant but you
keep the Old Covenant temple up that's
contradictory right so God needs to get
rid of that Old Covenant temple and
destroy it so that it sort of vindicates
see the New Covenant is here the Old
Covenant is destroyed and it's
interesting that it's never been rebuilt
since interestingly it can't be starting
World War is that I'm asking this cause
we're like everybody's waiting for the
temple to be I'm saying rebuild and then
Jesus says in three days the temple will
be rebuilt that temple is us now is that
correct yeah Holy Spirit absolutely um
it's very very important I do honestly I
don't understand why there there is a
section of Christians out there are used
to run with the man okay be one of them
yeah I know
gotcha about me too actually so yeah
I've been all the different viewpoints
so I know what that I know messianic and
keeping the Sabbath and yeah oh really
oh interesting okay so um anyway so but
there's this you know mostly there
dispensationalists and they believe that
all of this prophecy is you know the
church is just a parenthesis we're not
even very important to God because what
God really cares about is this
geophysical Land of Israel and the
genetic descendants you know and they I
don't know why I know why they don't
know the Bible but it's all over the
Bible it clearly says you know whether
it's Romans all of Paul's writings you
know that the whole point of it is
of is that Israel is not a physical
people Israel has always been the
faithful in in the end those who have
faith in Christ are the children of
Abraham not the physical descendants
literally like he says that over and
over again and so it's like how could
you possibly say that God the chosen
people are these physical descendants of
Abraham when they're not actually
children of Abraham according to the
Bible you follow you know and so just
it's sort of weird but when the other
element is like you said so they think
this temple is gonna be rebuilt and why
it's interesting because there's not a
single verse in the entire New Testament
not a single prophecy anywhere that says
the temple will be rebuilt which is kind
of interesting because you'd think that
if it was that important to God he would
he would prophesy at us right the only
reason why they think that it will be
rebuilt it's because they assumed the
book of Revelation has to do with our
future rather than the first century
yeah and in the book of Revelation
Revelation 11 it literally says you know
literally talks about their go and
measure the temple and I'm gonna protect
the inside I'm gonna destroy the outside
on this case stuff so they say oh well
since the temple is destroyed this must
be referring to it built rebuilt temple
but the problem is is John actually
wrote this around 65 ad or so before the
temple was destroyed so actually the
temple in Revelation is a reference to
the temple that was standing at that
time period so there's no there's no
disk there's no description that all the
temples gonna be rebuilt after this
one's destroyed it's it's people
bringing assumptions to the text and
then they they have to spin it to meet
their their eschatology see but the
problem is is that one of the most
powerful themes throughout though all
the Gospels in the New Testament is that
the body of Christ is if you want to
have a rebuilt temple that's what it is
in Ephesians chapter one and you know
this is there's dozens of players with
it you know this talks about but it says
I'm sorry not Ephesians 1 it fusions -
you know it says look you he's talking
to these Gentile Christians you are no
longer strangers and aliens you are
fellow citizens with the Saints and
members of the
hold of God and keep in mind the
household of God is the people of God
but that's also a phrase that hints at
the temple right and and and it actually
does mean the temple in this case
because he says you are members the
household of God built on the foundation
of the apostles and prophets Jesus
himself is the cornerstone in him the
whole structure grows together into a
holy temple in the Lord in him you also
are being built together into a dwelling
place for God's holy spirit and so all
the Old Testament Scriptures talked
about God said I will be a dwelling
place you know or I'm sorry um I will I
will dwell amongst the people he in the
Old Testament he's saying when the New
Covenant comes I will dwell amongst my
people and where did God dwell in the
Old Testament he dwelt technically
according to the theology he dwelt in
the temple right the the Shekinah glory
now that so the dwelling place of God
was this physical temple according to
the Old Testament but in the New
Testament he says now God will dwell in
his people why because his people are
the spiritual temple so when these
dispensationalists or so they'll say oh
your spiritual eyes on the texture
spiritual eyes don't fix well the
problem is is yeah because the vibes are
both spiritual eyes it yeah and and if
the Apostle if Jesus says says this and
if Paul says this and if Paul writes
that that we we are a spiritual temple
that fulfills the promise of God's
temple who are we to argue with
spiritualization right it says yeah it's
spiritualization because that's exactly
what happened
just like Jesus was a spiritual Savior
not a military leader just like the Jews
expected yeah so I think in in some ways
the modern-day futuristic Christians
were expecting all this stuff to happen
in a way they're looking at Jesus like
the ancient Jews of the first century
looked at Jesus and they missed him yeah
right because they were looking for this
physical earthly leader and that's what
that's what these modern-day futurist
Christians are looking for as well
everybody wants to be the people of the
book you know Paul spoke with a letter
of urgency like when you understand that
they knew hey the end is coming the end
is near like it was literally it was
near we got a we can't make we can't get
married we have to get this gospel out
we have to stay out there and do this
thing
you know and don't look back and all
this cuz the end was literally near for
them all those prophecies that Jesus
gave he told him look these generation
shall not pass away until all of these
things be fulfilled in those generations
were the kids and people who were there
and it literally happened and it's
interesting to note that uh I don't deal
with I don't deal with a lot of people
who believe this theology anymore I
don't hang out in church this or
anything like that is usually where
these people are but um I got a message
in my inbox this morning and I thought
it was interesting because we were doing
this show this morning I'm so I got a
message in my inbox so somebody sent me
a video saying that the rapture is going
to happen next month August the 12th
2018 which all the fulfillment of the
Old Testament the prophecies the blood
moons the Stars to zodiac everything
points to that date is when the rapture
will take place I've been studying this
for a while myself and every year you
get multiple dates from gurus from
people who could show you those same
astrological signs and stuff and say
this is where he's gonna be and stuff
like that
but um there's people out there who
still believe this it's a it's like a
fear-based thing make sure that I'm I
get all the sin out of my life or I
might be left behind
type of deal um but people still believe
this and they're still gonna be days
just like August 12th is gonna come and
go it's probably gonna be another
September 23rd I mean there's September
30th whatever every year it's gonna be
multiple ones they've well I know you've
seen a bunch in your lifetime as well
but I'm those who are looking for like a
future rapture what is or was the
rapture that did it did the rapture
already already happen and we're waiting
for something to happen to us yeah I
don't believe is a future rapture to
happen and I don't I don't necessarily
think that there was a rapture in the
first century either I mean some people
do have that you know the but but in
terms of the actual biblical texts
the only real passage that you could say
you know talks about what looks to be a
rapture all right would would have to be
second Thessalonians chapter I'm sorry
first Thessalonians chapter four and
that's the passage where it talks about
how let's see if I can find it here we
do not want you being uninformed
brethren about those who are asleep that
they may not grieve as those who do not
have hope for since we believe Jesus
died and rose again so Jesus will God
will bring with him those who have
fallen asleep we declare to you by the
word of Lord that we are alive until the
coming of the Lord will not precede
those who have fallen asleep the Lord
will descend from heaven voice of an
archangel the dead in Christ will rise
first then we who are alive who are left
will be caught up together with them in
the clouds to meet the Lord in the air
and yeah okay so it sounds like the
rapture that we've traditionally heard
where they you know Christians vanish or
they go up in heaven but the problem is
is traditionally that chapter is a
reference to the second coming in the
resurrection of the dead that's not the
rapture
that's the resurrection of the dead and
so the rapture is supposed to be
something that happens before the
tribulation which that word is not even
in the Bible is yeah the words not even
the Bible but but the point is they
believe it happens before the seven-year
tribulation which is way before Christ
returns right or some now believe oh
it's in the middle of the tribulation
and some believe oh it's after the
tribulation
whatever whatever this is this is a
resurrection it's not the rapture now if
you want to call that the rapture at the
resurrection fine I guess go ahead but
but it's not the rapture as we
traditionally understand it which is
before the the book of Revelation itself
and this is something that I bring out
in my novel series they're claims and
yeah whatever jets and helicopters the
bizarre imagery and the Sun Moon and
stars going dark and stars falling all
this stuff like let obviously hasn't
happened but there's a couple major
problems with that is that number one if
you just go to the text itself the very
first verse of Revelation the revelation
of Jesus Christ which God gave to show
his servants the things that must sue
take place 2,000 years from 80/60 is not
soon hey hey it's like a thousand years
Brian
yeah well listen listen but the thing is
is it's the very first verse so he's
really telling you this is all these
things are but he doesn't just say it
once he says it about ten times yeah
I've got this list of the things which
must shortly take place in twenty-two
the time is near I behold I am coming
quickly a little while longer no more
delay the time is short there's a dozen
places in Revelation where Jesus says
behold the time is near is near shortly
and everywhere this concept takes place
in the Bible it always means with you
know within that generation or the
lifetime of the people writing and so
and some people say oh well yeah that's
just a metaphor for you know that will
soon take place when the events start to
happen or something like that try to get
out of it but the fact is is that's not
what it's saying so I'll tell people
I'll go okay so do you believe Christ is
out coming soon or you know do you
believe the rapture is gonna happen soon
whatever you know and they'll say yeah
you know go what do you mean by soon
does that mean like it's gonna happen
probably within our lifetime yeah and
then I say well that's exactly what the
authors of the Bible thought when they
wrote soon right in other words this
coming that they expect is not what they
think it is and so you have to go into
the text and find out what it means
and the second thing is right after he
says all these things must soon take
place he says he made it known by
sending his angel to the servant John
and the Greek behind that phrase made it
known is the Greek semiosis which is a
reference which means symbolism
so it's he's saying right up front that
he symbolized the message to John so
anyone who's gonna read the revelations
gonna have to focus and stress symbolism
they're not literalism or what I like to
call hyper literalism yeah and so if
you're going to interpret it you're
going to have to take it primarily
symbolic now that doesn't mean that it
doesn't refer to anything in history of
course not
symbols refer to something right
but the point is is it's symbolic so if
you take these things literally like all
you know these locusts with human heads
though that's literal it's you're
missing you're misunderstanding what the
text is the way that we find out what
all these symbols in Revelation mean is
by going back and seeing what their
precedents meant in the Old Testament
prophecies because after all John John
is drawing John the book of Revelation
draws more from from the Old Testament
than any other new Daniels a big one
yeah yeah he draws from Daniel he draws
a lot from Isaiah talking about what
time a Babylon being destroyed within an
hour we can go back and read in Daniel
where the ruler fell within an hour this
big hearty King is on the ground like
eating like a cow he was brought down to
the low places and fell within an hour
this big ruler and people are like okay
America is Babylon like we have to make
it about us America is Babylon so many
Christians believe that I've believed it
there's archetypes I believe in
spiritual archetypes I believe that
America could be that spiritually but as
far as literal like who these prophecies
were for a Babylon the Great has fallen
will fall oh so that stuff already
happened and you can read about it if
when you just just be conscious of it
when you're reading the Old Testament or
reading Daniel or reading some of these
things that we're gonna happen to the
rulers so what would you say for those
who would say that America is Babylon
and those prophecy America is gonna fall
and be destroyed because yeah marecus
Babylon the Great yeah I think I think
yeah that's a common thing and again I'm
a person who has to stress is the text
not our own creative imagination which
you know I'm not against the imagination
but when it comes to Bible prophecy you
want to stick as close as you can you've
got to draw out what it means what did
they intend by okay so so what is
babylon babylon is the harlot right
because the two things are the same
thing there's two images used of the
same entity it's the great harlot and
babylon and the great city on this
and rather than saying oh Babylon oh
that sounds like Oh Babylon was a bad
corrupt pagan city so I therefore what
you know what nation or what city can be
like that go back to the Old Testament
and one of the things I point out to
people is you look at Revelation 17
where it talks about the harlot I will
show you just first one I will show you
the judgment of the of the great harlot
who is seated on many waters etc etc and
this harlot is Babylon now you go oh who
can it be well first of all you have to
understand something the concept of
harlot is a spiritual tournament it's a
reference to spiritual and faithfulness
every single place in the Old Testament
that uses the phrase of harlot is used
of spiritual unfaithfulness
to Yahweh of Israel and Israel alone now
there's two places where it isn't used
of Israel it's use of Nineveh and tyre
and the interesting thing there is tyre
had a covenant with Solomon to help
build the temple and Nineveh actually
repented right and they ended up
repenting after Jonah right and so they
became into covenant with Yahweh so my
point is is if you look at the meaning
of the phrase harlot
it's a it's it means spiritual and
faithless in this Thiago a Yahweh who
can be spiritually unfaithful to Yahweh
only his wife right you can only be
though you can only be unfaithful if you
are the wife of Yahweh covenant did in
marriage and that's what the phrase
always means you know whether it's Hosea
Ezekiel Isaiah Jeremiah was it I mean
I've got tons of these passages it's
always used of Israel being an
unfaithful wife to Yahweh the Bride of
Christ the well we're getting there
so so what I you know I had a whole
debate with one of these guys about that
who believed he believed America was
Babylon I said America can't be Babylon
Islam can't be Babylon because none of
them are covenant 'add in spiritual
marriage with Yahweh
only Israel was so the hint here is
Israel is the harlot what does that mean
I think what revelation is talking about
is the first century apostate Jewish
leaders who rejected Jesus they led the
people into unfaithfulness against
Yahweh so basically the harlot is the
apostate Jerusalem of the first century
now there's some interesting things in
in Revelation 17 and again all this
stuff I actually do bring out in my book
am I in my novels but it describes the
harlot and if you look at the passage in
Revelation 17 for the woman was arrayed
in purple and scarlet and adorned with
gold and jewels and curls okay we read
that okay oh yeah so that's just some
generic description of her being all
prettied up or to be seductive right but
if you look at those those actual
clothing and material they are the same
description of clothing
now get this that the high priest of the
temple wore so what the the hint here is
this is a reference to the high
priesthood in other words the high
priesthood that is supposed to be
leading Israel are the ones morally
responsible for the unfaithfulness it
says that she holds in her hand a cup of
full of abominations on her forehead was
written a Mystery Babylon the Great
right
well what is this just some generic
symbol oh it's written on her forehead
what does that mean is that just a
symbol well guess what this would make
very much sense to the first century
because all those people knew that the
high priest of the temple had on his
forehead a a golden plate that had
engraved in it holy unto Yahweh and
Enoch Seifer for Jesus almost you know
what I'm saying yeah yeah but my point
is is that sounds exactly what's written
so what's happening here is John is
mocking the first century religious
priesthood that's leading Jerusalem and
he's basically saying you who think you
follow God your acts
we like a harlot your you know your high
priesthood that's supposed to be holy
unto Yahweh on the forehead is actually
like Babylon which is the opposite of
holiness right so he's subverting their
picture and he's using the images that
are connected to the Jewish high
priesthood to make the point that
Jerusalem has become the enemy of God
Jerusalem
first century has become Babylon why
Babylon because Babylon in the Old
Testament Babylon Egypt and Sodom and
Gomorrah were the three major enemies of
God now there were others like a Syria
but Babylon Egypt and Sodom were the
were repeatedly referred to throughout
the Old Testament as the symbols of the
ultimate enemies of God and particularly
Babylon because Babylon goes all the way
back to Babel right so Babylon was the
ultimate enemy of God so Kijana saying
in rejecting Messiah you have become the
ultimate enemies of God himself
and it's really interesting because this
isn't the only place where John is is
doing this subversion in Revelation 11
verse 8 he says he's talking about the
two witnesses and he says though their
dead bodies that they've been killed now
and the dead bodies will lie in the
street of the great city that
symbolically is called Sodom and Egypt
where the Lord was crucified well where
was the Lord crucified obviously
Jerusalem so John is saying the great
city is Jerusalem
it's called Sodom and Egypt so now you
have the two enemies of God he's saying
Israel Jerusalem itself has become the
enemies of God it's become like Sodom
it's become like Egypt it's become by
Babylon see what I mean so it's this
whole subversion going on of Revelation
that John is actually pointing to the
fact that Jerusalem is going to be
judged and the great city there is
another phrase that shows up in our you
know Revelation 17 at the bottom at
Revelation 17 18 it says the woman the
harlot that you saw is the great city
that has dominion over the kings of the
year
so it's like oh so the great city is
Jerusalem we know this cuz John said it
already so he's Jerusalem is the harlot
he's saying he's telling us right and
then you get this phrase that has
dominion over the kings of the earth and
this is another one of the things that I
like to tell people explain to people is
unfortunately they're following English
translations of Revelation which are not
very good and I say that because when we
read a word like earth we think oh well
that's what do you think we read earth
you think of the globe don't you because
we're my people and we think of the
earth the globe well that's not what the
word means the word in Greek means gay
it's gay and means the land actually now
the word land could mean all that you
see it could mean it's usually meant the
local areas of land or the dirt but when
you use the word land in ancient Israel
you are often referring to the land of
Israel right so when it says dominion
over the kings of the land it's not the
kings of the earth it's kings of the
land these are the rulers over Israel
see and I explain this to people and I
say so imagine if you change the word
earth throughout all of Revelation to
land and you suddenly will start to see
oh I thought revelation was about the
judgement of the earth no it's the
judgment of the land and when you say
judgment of the land what does the
ancient you think the Land of Israel
and and I could prove this - I won't at
the moment think of all those are some
examples to show how we have all these
assumptions and we're miss reading
revelation by by by misunderstanding
their original context we're looking at
you know the colors and the adornments
and the chalices and all of this stuff
and we shall we so you're pointing that
back to the Jewish people you know the
Jewish priests who what we you know I
guess were the people of the day then we
have Rome right so a lot of people break
that down with the colors and the Fleck
you know just everything that goes along
with Rome and I'm just message here is
in in the chat so they're saying doesn't
the harlot refer to Rome as well with
adorned in purple and uh yeah it can't
gone
it can't be okay Carly cannot be Rome it
cannot be America why
because a harlot a spiritual harlot in
the bible is someone who is covenant
ydynt a Yahweh Rome is a pagan nation it
was not covenant in Yahweh a marriage
Savior America is not a is not covenant
into Yahweh only Israel was so so again
you go into the meaning of the words in
it and and and you see oh my gosh
according to the context itself these
pagan the harlot cannot be a pagan
nation because they're not America is a
Christian nation don't if they turn
their back I'm sure you've heard that
though right I mean it was arguments
really make the argument that America is
a nation that's founded on Christian
worldview and principles absolutely but
we're not covenant into Yahweh because
Yahweh is not covenant 'add to any
nation anymore
once Messiah comes Messiah inherits the
nation's so people from every tribe and
every tongue and every people are now in
the kingdom of God so God cannot be
covenant into one single nation he's
covenant 'add only to his people so yes
America was founded on Christian
principles by a lot of Christians but we
weren't we weren't covenant to Yahweh
only the people of God only the church
is covenant to Yahweh and why do I say
this because when I said before that the
the harlot is unfaithful to Yahweh the
other aspect that I bring out and I like
to bring out in Revelation is revelation
is a story of two women the harlot and
the bride you mentioned this earlier so
when we get to Revelation chapter 21
that's where we read about the holy city
the New Jerusalem coming down out of
heaven right and and people again people
assume oh well that's this huge big
block and maybe it's gonna be a literal
city here and all this stuff and no it's
a symbol well what is the holy city what
is the New Jerusalem John this is
another thing Christians keep missing
this it's right there John tells us what
it is he tells us what is the New
Jerusalem go down of chapter 21 go down
a few
versus in in in verse nine he says come
I will show you the bride the wife of
the Lamb now that we all know is the
body of Christ those who believe in
Jesus right and it says he can't I'm
coming I'm gonna show you the bride and
he carries me away to spirit to a great
high mountain and showed me the holy
city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven
from God
having the glorious of God glory of God
so he clearly says that the New
Jerusalem that comes down out of heaven
that he describes is a symbol for the
Bride of Christ so here's the picture of
what has happening in Revelation first
century temple still up God is saying
I'm going to do two things I'm going to
judge Israel for killing Messiah and I'm
going to destroy the Old Covenant
replace it with the New Covenant
historically by destroying the temple
and what happens is he describes in the
first half of the book you know or what
I'm first part of the book it's it's
it's the unfaithfulness of the harlot
God's going to judge the harlot for
unspiritual and faithfulness in a
spiritual court of law how does he do it
he pulls out the scroll of divorce that
has seven seals right and he's going to
divorce Israel and he does it by but in
the law you you couldn't if you wanted
to take your adulterous wife to court
you had to have at least two witnesses
didn't you guess what the two witnesses
are in Revelation 11 the law and the
prophets Moses and Elijah condemned
Israel because they didn't follow
Messiah see so God has witnesses against
Israel he calls him in the court he
rolls out the scroll of divorce and
ultimately what happens to an adulterous
wife in the law of God you can stone her
and kill her right and so God basically
killed the harlot the unfaithful wife
which is first century Israel and her
leaders and he marries a new bride the
bride of Christ the new covenant people
of God
it makes all perfect spiritual sense if
you understand it in the Old Covenant
New Covenant context and I think
Christians just don't read the Bible
covenant aliy and that's why they're
missing all these pictures
everything's at covenants yeah yeah with
you know it all has to do with blood you
know going back to the beginning it's
really a bloody religion it really is
like everything seals the deal in blood
and it's been like that with all that
all the other nations as well they all
deal in the life force of man which is
in the in the blood life is in the blood
yeah so in other words the the very
essence of life on Earth
you know biblically speaking is blood so
God uses that as the ultimate spiritual
symbol you know or let's not say
spiritual somebody uses as the ultimate
liturgical or religious symbol to show
how serious his covenant is so yeah
absolutely a couple couple more
questions that I have for you right now
the mark of the beast
so we've we know about the RFID chip we
know about we know about a lot we know
about Rome not being able to you're not
being able to buy sell a trade back in
Rome unless you had more the sign of the
Cross and they didn't do any business
with any outside pagan people pagan
nations you had to bear the sign of the
Cross or they wouldn't buy sell the
trade with you or RFID chip I'm even
here now that the third eye it's the
mark of the beast or the third eye is
the forbidden fruit that we've opened
and now we're we have the knowledge of
good and evil in all of these type of
things right there's different
hypotheticals what is was or is going to
be the mark of the beast
yeah the mark of the beast is yeah like
you say it's a very very popular one I
am there's a couple things to to to
understand when we come to this text is
that it's interesting like I said before
there's all it's funny how everything in
Revelation has a precedent in the Old
Testament and when you find out what it
is it ends up giving meaning in a way
that you hadn't expected so Revelation
13 says the Beast causes all both small
and rich to be marked on the right hand
or the forehead so that no one can buy
or sell unless he has the mark now this
notion the mark is you know is it the
UPC symbol is it the computer chip in
hand all that's
it's none of those things and and this
is a security card yeah right it's none
of us thinks here's what it is it's a
symbol of spiritual ownership which has
nothing to do with some kind of literal
physical thing and here's why
if you the this notion of being the
stamp on the forehead it's not stamped
but mark on the forehead in the back of
the hand has a precedent in the Old
Covenant go back to Deuteronomy 6 6 to 8
it says this this was when God was
giving Moses the law he says these words
that I command to you today shall be on
your heart the law the Torah you shall
teach them diligently to children walk
and talk and sit by the way and walk by
the way and then he says you shall bind
them as a sign on your hand and they
shall be as frontlets between your eyes
now this is where the Jews take that
literally and they make the file actor
he's right I put the Word of God on
their foreheads but if you read the
context it's clearly a symbol God is
saying I want the Word of God the Torah
to guide everything you do your hand and
every way you think about the world your
forehead right your your mind your
thinking and all that so it's symbolic
of everything you say and do is is
within this context and so ultimately I
think the mark of the beast is basically
symbolic but it also so happens there's
a couple of things we have to you know
keep in mind and that is in in the
ancient world you know they had what
theirs well okay there's a couple of
things number one is he
verse 18 John says in chapter 13 this
calls for wisdom let him who has
understanding calculate the number of
the beast it is the number of a man his
Numbers 666 but it's not 666 its 666 and
this is very important because all these
people that say things like you know the
UPC code if you look at the numbers it
has six digits and six digits and or you
know this guy's name has six letters in
his name you know all that is completely
not the same thing it's completely
unconnected because this is 666 not six
three sixes in a row as you see I'm
saying yes so we can't be three sixes
row so what does it mean well it just so
happens that we have evidence of this in
the ancient world of something called
gematria or gematria and that was that
they ain't the Jews and the Greeks a lot
of them what they like to do is they eat
they liked to their alphabet system or
how this is before they didn't have
Arabic numerals right
we have Arabic numerals one two three
four five six right they didn't at that
time so they only had letters so letters
would represent number see and so what
they would sometimes do if they wanted
to be poetic or hidden in what they were
saying they would add up the numbers all
the letters in a name you add up the
numbers and you just say that and so
there are examples in the ancient world
that says I love her whose number is
five thousand and twelve in other words
they don't want to actually say the name
and this is like graffiti written on
walls right and so um they would do this
all the time and so if you take the
letters in a name and you add them up
that's what's going on here
he's giving a hint that this is secretly
what what it is and he's telling them
what it is now it just so happens my oh
my what a coincidence there's there's
one character in the ancient first
century world whose name if you add it
up in Hebrew is 666 and that name is
Nero Caesar and they've got proof of it
now Chiron is and they found actually
his name not that so and and guess what
if you add up the letters of his name
they all add up to 666 and it says the
number is the number of a man as a
specific man so these so so what I'm
getting at is I think the whole context
is is that you had Miro right yes that
you have you had to serve you know in
the Roman Empire you had to honor Niro
you had to obey Him right you had the
Imperial cult everyone had to obey Him
the Christians would not they would not
bow the knee and so they got in trouble
for it and it would it would hurt you
economically as well so so you see my
point is is that
oh and that's the other thing you know
all throughout history they saw his name
is six-six isn't theirs nobody's name
that adds up in Hebrew like gee you know
John is a Greek I'm sorry John is a Jew
writing in Greek some even believe he
wrote originally in Hebrew but he's
writing to Hebrew people he's using
Hebrew gematria and one other name in
Hebrew adds up to 600 666 no other name
that I know of your history these people
who are arguing a lot of this stuff and
they usually just church people who are
just repeating stuff off of the movies
or repeating what they seen John Hagee
say most of these people repeating this
stuff is the same people who were saying
that Barack Obama was the Antichrist
literally like all my life like all my
friends the church people they were you
know ripping their clothes crying out to
God no we can't let this happen
Barack Obama was the Antichrist to them
in their mind and it became real and
obviously he was not you know
listen I've lived through a long a lot
of presidents I've never all probably
been yeah
Clinton was Antichrist Bush was the
Antichrist I thought Bush was like oh
you know I came conscious of what he was
doing and all the wickedness in the
government that's the nd that man is
evil you know I thought it was that's
another interesting thing Antichrist
what is Antichrist that's another thing
that we have all these assumptions that
we bring to the text and we create a
false picture that actually is not in
the Bible did you know that the word
Antichrist does never refer to a
specific individual you go back at all
it's only founding like erases it yeah
it's found in five places on first John
2nd and 3rd John and let me just go
there and read these passages when you
read the passages where the word
Antichrist shows up you really you've
come to realize there is no specific
individual called Antichrist there isn't
John first John chapter 2 18 he says
children it is the last hour
interesting remember I said things are
gonna come soon John is saying it's the
last hour in his time period in the
first century he's saying it's the last
hour last hour of what he said as you
have heard that Antichrist is coming so
now
any anti Christ's have come number 1
when he says Antichrist he doesn't say
the Antichrist there's no preposition as
in that would make in a specific
Antichrist so the phrase Antichrist is
coming is simply a phrase that means
against Christ in other words there's
there's going to be a spirit against
Christ that's coming but he says so now
many antichrists have come therefore we
know it is the last hour ok so there's
many antichrists it's not a specific
individual it's just a generic spirit
against Christ what could that possibly
be few verses down later in verse 22 he
says who is the liar but he who denies
that Jesus is the Christ that is the
Antichrist he who denies the father and
the son so he's basically telling these
people look the Jews because I mean
these were Christians that he's ready to
and they're mostly Jews right and the
Jews were the ones who are saying Jesus
is not the Christ they were against
Christ they were Anti Christ right so
he's not saying there's if you want to
say who is the Antichrist the Antichrist
is anyone who denies the father and the
son anyone who denies that Jesus is the
Christ is Antichrist so you see this
whole notion of Antichrist is of being
an individual who's the embodiment of
Satan it's completely not even in the
text at all it's made up John's talking
about it the mark of the beast he's
talking about the fall of these nations
there's rebukes to physical churches
that were there that don't exist at this
moment they you know he wrote to
physical churches these letters to who
these people who were supposed to read
this text at this particular time was
the book of Revelation and these
prophecies in these codes they're almost
speaking in code words was it written
under fear because he was in jail he if
they knew that hey I'm writing a letter
about these people who have me right now
in captivity I'm writing about these
prophecies I'm writing about this stuff
that's to take place you guys get this
get this revelation decipher the codes
which you guys know the gamma trio these
Romans don't understand it you guys know
what I'm giving you the numbers I'm
giving you the codes break this stuff
excuse my language and get the hell out
of there is that kind of what what's
going on yeah basically Revelation is
what's called uses apocalyptic language
and yeah you're right apocalyptic
language was often the the the symbolism
used to hide it from the unbeliever and
conceal it reveal it to the believer so
that they wouldn't get in trouble you're
right and and it has a long history of
that which would by the way that's
that's the premise of my entire series
see I start the series with this Nero
has is persecuting the Christians and
therefore Paul and Peter are martyred
John gets sent to Patmos right but all
of a sudden Nero hears about this is
this is the story of Chronicles of the
Apocalypse that I've been writing and
Nero finds out that there's this
subversive letter going around that
predicts the end of the world and the
assassination of the emperor of Caesar
right so he's like alright so he's like
who is this I want to track these people
down I kill him so he sends a Roman
warrior to find out who it is and the
Roman warrior has a Jewish doctor with
him and a Christian servant or slave and
so the whole story comes through the
eyes of a Roman a Christian and a Jew as
they're trying to find out who wrote
this letter where is it and they're
trying to track it down because the
Christians are hiding it why because
they're being thrown to the Lions and
John is saying you know don't you know
he's writing to to the churches in Asia
Minor but the persecution by that point
had spread throughout the whole empire
right so the point is a creative being
persecuting saying just hold on home on
you know second last forever it's gonna
last for three and half years and sure
enough the persecution by Nero lasted
three and a half years and and so so I
have these this guy tracking it down and
then he ultimately finds out oh it's
written by John on Patmos they go there
and visit John and of course they then
learn oh this is not what we thought it
was it's not against Rome it's actually
against Jerusalem and and so then in the
second and third book of this series you
know you have Christians who then are
trying to get the letter to the
Christians in Jerusalem because it was
written to Asia Minor right and so
they're trying to get the letter to the
Christians in Jerusalem to tell them
get out because Rome is coming so it's
all about the story of well what if the
Christians didn't always didn't
necessarily believe them you know not
all of them would believe them because
you know there was divisions in the
church right the book acts is all about
how Christians disagree with each other
right so imagine going to Jerusalem Rome
is about to come down and you know
destroy everything and they're telling
Christians get out because Jesus says
when you see Rome you know surround by
armies get out
well the Christians may not have
believed it and so I tell that story
what that might might what that might
have looked like and what might have
convinced the Christians and I have a
historical basis for this what what
might have convinced the Christians for
for leaving and I'll tell you roughly
what the historical basis is because
we're back to the fact that you know
Matthew 24 Jesus is saying the Great
Tribulation which I would argue was the
persecution of Christians in the first
century I agree with that but how can
that be well guess what John says in
Revelation 1 verse 9 I John your partner
and brother your part and partner in the
tribulation was on the island of Patmos
so John itself is saying I am your
partner in the tribulation right now as
he's writing the letter of Revelation so
it's it's amazing how much of this stuff
is right well verses there of verse
chapter 1 verse 9 I I'm amazed at how
much is spelled out and the text and
Christians miss it so so so he's saying
the tribulation is going on right now as
John is writing the letter you couldn't
be any clearer than that right so any
back to the back of the story so so
Jesus is saying he goes the tribulation
they will put you to death I lost what I
was saying oh oh okay the Great
Tribulation
if these days not been short and all
that kind of stuff and oh so then he
says when you see the abomination of
desolation spoken by Daniel the prophet
standing in the Holy Place then let
those who are in Judea flee to the
mountains so he's telling the Christians
when you see the abomination spoken by
Daniel get out
and well what is that what is the bomb
ination desolation is it something
that's in our future or was it something
that already happened and what's
interesting is if you look up the same
exact sermon surround the Mount in in a
different gospel Luke explains it a
little bit more clearer because see
Matthew's writing to Jews so he uses the
phrase abomination of desolation they
would know that because they knew Daniel
but Luke is writing more to Gentiles so
he exceed uhz n't use as many Hebrew
phrases because they may not may not
understand it so when when Luke has
Jesus giving the same sermon he spells
it out more clearly to the Greeks he
says Jesus says but when you see not the
abomination ization he says when you see
Jerusalem surrounded by armies then know
that it's desolation there it is a
desolation has come near let those who
are in Judea flee to the mountains it's
the same exact thing but but Luke is
explaining what that abomination of
desolation meant
so he says Jerusalem surrounded by
armies my oh my isn't it interesting
that that is exactly what happened in AD
60 actually 80 66 and here's what
happened but but you have to ask
yourself but wait a minute if Jerusalem
is already surrounded by armies how are
you gonna get out right yeah how are you
gonna flee well here's what actually
happened in history and I tell this
story in the second book called remnant
rescue of the elect what happened was
when the revolt first started Nero sent
the Syrian governor who was one of the
client kings of Rome with several
legions and his name was oh I've got a
brain fart here says Dias Gallus and
says Dias Gallus took several legions
and surrounded Rome with armies and then
he started to break through into the
temple he was going to break through
into the temple put down the revolt this
was what was just starting in AD 66
right he's gonna put it down and you
know maybe even do something to the
temple all of a sudden he's on the
of breaking into the temple and all of a
sudden he just stops and he withdraws
and Josephus writes about this he says
we there's no for some unknown reason
cestia is just withdraws all his troops
and they leave and not only that but as
they are leaving the Jews kind of get
embolden and they say this must be God's
stopping and let's chase after them and
they chased after them and they killed a
bunch of them so they wiped out a bunch
of Romans and that made the Jews feel
like hey gods on our side we can do this
right so what happened was after that
point it was still another you know like
a year or so before Rome came back to do
the final destruction right so what I'm
saying is in that interim period after
Rome is surrounded by cestus then he
leaves maybe that's the point where the
Christians first left because they
realized Oh Rome was surrounded but now
she's gone but that means the the
desolations still coming this is our
chance to get out of the city and to go
to the mountains and these are the
ancient historian Eusebius tells us that
the christians did that they went to the
mountain city of Pella which was one of
the Decapolis cities in the in the north
on the Transjordan side of the of the
Jordan and they did that too to escape
and get away and so they the Jew the
Christians were not killed in the
ultimate siege of Jerusalem that
happened later so there's like two there
was two times basically where where
Jerusalem was surrounded and the first
time allowed and when that when they
withdrew it allowed the Christians to
leave but then the second time Titus
surround it and and there actually might
have been another time where people
could have left the city because when
Nero died was right in the middle of the
siege
so Titus withdrew and waited a year
before they could sort of there was a
lot of civil war going on in Rome before
he went back and finally destroyed
Jerusalem there was a year period there
where they kind of were waiting so that
was a time period as well where people
might have been able to leave while you
know while waiting for that destruction
all right people are still holding on to
this
idea okay we understand that understand
that this stuff happened understand that
the early church was martyred they were
made sport of different getting creative
on ways to kill the first century
Christians let's let's crucify them
let's torture them let's boil them let's
do all you know put their heads on
platters like all kinds of crazy stuff I
understand that that happened but that
was not it you know it's you know even
all of the stuff you're saying yes it
makes some sense but it's gonna happen
again history repeats itself Brian it's
going to happen again technology is
taking control the mark of the beast or
microchip and you're in your hand which
is could be your cell phone you're
addicted to it you can't buy a cell
without it as in the days of Noah
history is going to repeat itself
I understand that but it's coming upon
us now all of these prophecies are
happening happening again what did you
say to that yeah you know I don't
believe that that's the case I I can't I
can't disprove to someone who who will
believe that prophecies that already
occurred are going to recur again I
there's nothing I could say it's like
well if it's been fulfilled why would
there need to be another fulfillment I
don't understand why but I think that
but I mean there's there's a biblical
basis for - this gets back to the last
days and the end of the age and the
whole point of it is is the prophecies
in the Bible we do see some repetition
of things like the abomination of
desolation right there's a there's a
couple fulfillments so to speak and you
know not really but there's there are
repetitious imagery of fulfillment and
some of the Messianic prophecies had
like a you know a fulfillment in
Isaiah's in Isaiah's time but also in in
Christ's time but the basic principle is
this prophecy is often typological right
like you know the Apostles will say oh
you know just like Abraham killed Isaac
or not killings but you know was willing
to sacrifice his son so Jesus yeah yeah
exactly so it's type and shadows
it's called typology
but the problem is this the principle of
typological fulfillment is yes there are
repetitious images that reflect the
ultimate fulfillment but once the
ultimate fulfillment comes then there's
no law it's it's fulfilled itself for
instance it is finished like Jesus said
right yeah yeah and and and the whole
thing is is once the new covenant has
arrived there is no new new covenant
like the old cummins destroyed it's the
end of the age people think oh the end
of the ages the end of the world no it's
the end of the age what's an age and
ages across a single time period in the
ancient Jewish mind this is another
thing we don't know we don't we we
misinterpret the text they believe there
were two ages the present age that they
were living in and the age to come what
was the age to come
that was when Messiah came he would
bring the Messianic age to come what's
the point of the New Testament the
Messianic age has come Jesus arrived
died for our sins and brought in the new
kingdom the new covenant the new the new
age to come is here visit Aquarius yeah
right
no but when but when the text says the
last days it's not the last days of the
earth or in the last days of history
it's the last days of the Old Covenant
so if you have this if this picture of
prophecy is all about God is ending the
Old Covenant destroying the Old Covenant
temple establishing the New Covenant
Kingdom and what does he say about the
new covenant Kingdom no it will grow to
fill the earth and it will overcome all
kingdoms and it will never and what what
future fulfillment can there be I mean
it's it's been fulfilled but you know
these prophecies of the Covenant Kingdom
has have come and been fulfilled so I
don't think there's any any meaning to
saying they're gonna happen again
because the Christ has come and those
things have been fulfilled so otherwise
you could say well maybe Christ will be
born again in Bethlehem you know because
that's a prophecy yeah I'm sorry for
every generation I can't can't a new you
know and actually I heard that there is
a there's a TV series coming out that's
gonna have that but
but um yeah so that's that's what I
would say to that and I think that I
think the desire to have all these
things happen all over again is just an
unwillingness to ignite to recognize the
fulfillment has occurred and you want it
to it's it's it's wish fulfillment you
want it to be in the future because it
would be cool if it was and we would be
special if it was but if it's not all of
a sudden we become in our own eyes where
we're not special anymore but see that's
a misunderstanding of the kingdom of God
yeah God is not about we have some
special status more than anybody else
God loves all people who have faith in
Christ in all of history
and you're no more special than anybody
else and that is an ego crusher and I
think a lot of Christians a lot of
believers are driven by ego and sadly
that's that's the case I know what
happened to me when I when I came into
this understanding I'm like wow so I'm
not the let we're not the last
generation I'm not more special to God
than every other generation you just
feel this urgency within you like it's
there you feel it you know where's it
come from if you're just looking at you
know the eyes of your understandings
open that the world is wicked and wicked
people are out there so you're trying to
make sense of it in a biblical you know
sure sense and everything you hear on
the television is we're in the end you
know John Hagee all these guys that they
pay to promote out there and by the way
this is where this is now we get into
what I think is the dangerous part of
this whole Bible prophecy it's one thing
to laugh and mock and say oh you know
the blood moons you know you know like
John Hagee was saying that 2015 because
of the four blood moons it was
unprecedented it actually wasn't but
nonetheless you know something bigs
gonna happen of course what he meant was
you know the beginning of the end times
and the ravisher and all that stuff and
of course it didn't happen but the
problem is is it's not just that these
guys are wrong John Hagee Jonathan Cahn
was talking about the shemitah and the
shemitah was supposed to be the
and the shemitah' is the 70th seventh
and all this and he was saying that the
economic collapse and that was of course
a couple years ago and it never happened
and it's not just that these guys are
wrong it's that they're false prophets
yeah the Bible condemns these men but
Christians continue to give them a
platform they should all be running away
from these guys and not listening to
them because over and over and over and
over again they've said this stuff for
for hundreds of years but even in my own
lifetime
I remember how Lindsey yeah saying the
end of the world is gonna be in the
nineteen of them they were all on board
with this thing exactly and how Lindsey
is still around and still is talking
about officing nobody should be
listening to that man he should have
been excommunicated by the church
because he is a false prophet John Hagee
is a false prophet Jonathan Cahn is a
false prophet and and that's serious
business this is serious now
they all try to protect themselves by
saying things like I didn't say Christ
was coming all right
yeah you just hinted at it you just
basically said something big is gonna
happen those guys we try to save
themselves by not giving a date now
there's all these little guys who give
you a date like I said they'd leave in
the title of this video right now if
you're watching off there's dates
there's dates everywhere and so really
those guys don't give you the dates like
hey I didn't say it but that but that
doesn't matter they're still false
prophets because we all know what you're
talking about and we all hear that
you're saying this is gonna happen
within our lifetime right now kind of
thing you know within the next few years
or whatever and and so it's it's a it's
a it's a cautious false prophet but it's
still false prophet and and this stuff
is big big money - oh it's so funny
events ha and this is a minor point to
be honest because I mean I they really
believe in it I I believe they believe
in it but the problem is is you make big
money writing these sensational stuff
and once you get hooked into that big
money and into that circle of all those
false prophets and and you go to all
your conferences I know because I know
some of these guys
go to these conferences it's like if you
were to actually like if you were to
actually start to acknowledge this stuff
as false you would lose your income and
I understand the pressure of that and I
mean so so I respect the pressure
they're under but you ultimately have a
responsibility to the truth and you have
to start facing that reality and the
reality is this that all these futurists
have always been wrong through all of
history so what my my claim to
Christians is you guys they've been
wrong over and over and over again for
hundreds of years and even in our own
lifetime for decades and decades all
these guys you're following they've been
wrong and they keep changing changing
their their claims don't you think it's
time to consider maybe they're not wrong
in their specifics maybe the whole
system is wrong because they're never
right and maybe you should consider
another system and that's where I think
preterism comes in because a lot of
Christians are starting to see this you
know we all know for how many years and
that that that the dominant view the
left-behind view was based on Israel
becoming a nation in 1948 and they
thought that within a generation all
these things would happen another false
prophecy we're already into the second
generation deep into the second
generation none of this stuff has
happened right and the whole thing is is
maybe give it another generation another
unfortunately might take another 20
years but you know once you were so far
enough away from this and so Christians
are seeing this their start and say hey
yeah wait a minute Saul rooted and
Israel become a nation but nothing ever
happened when they said so maybe this
whole Israel as a nation thing is
completely irrelevant it has nothing to
do with anything in Bible prophecy and
they start to look at other viewpoints
like the preterist viewpoint and they
start to see oh our explanation is oh by
the way modern-day Israel has nothing to
do with God they are just another nation
they're like a Gentile nation our
religion they're Jews Bobby yeah and and
all the nations need to repent and
follow Messiah right so if you're Jew
and you don't follow Messiah you're not
you're not the God's chosen people
you're not a child of Abraham on
you have faith in Jesus and that's her
message to everyone not to just Jews
it's to everyone and so the point is is
that in the preterist understanding no I
mean you know there there's no special
status for the modern day nation state
of Israel at all now
there are some who believe that there
there will be a revival in Israel of
belief in Jesus you know in our future I
don't believe that but I acknowledge
that guys in my camp even suggest that
so there are differing beliefs okay but
but the bottom line is is you are not a
child of Abraham except through Messiah
through Jesus and so consequently if
there is going to be a transformation of
Jews it's going to be through faith in
Jesus not because they're God's people
no matter what creating the one new man
and an understanding the Scriptures tell
you plainly a true Jew is one inwardly
you're talking about these people have
always had the one-up or where the
people of the book I'm yeah it this is
it gets into racism I've been on both
sides of it I've studied with the Hebrew
Israelites absolutely I've studied with
the Ku Klux Klan real who showed me
their Bible and every I mean from
Genesis to Revelation every the only
scriptures that are highlighted or
scriptures about domination and the
dreadful year and our year is coming and
we're gonna be the people and our land
is gonna be given back to us and cleanse
the land and crazy stuff these people
believe and they all believe there's
that they are the people of the book
they've got out they teach it in their
churches they teach it in their in this
in their schooling in its it's demonic
and it always gets into I'm special
because of my blood type I'm special
because of my race or my ethnicity and
it gets in to the really demonic stuff
man and you know that's in fact that's
what makes dispensationalism actually
racist because they are they are
claiming that physical Jews are God's
chosen people because of their bloodline
yeah
and the New Testament says very clearly
ordered shop children of Abraham are not
children of the flesh of their bloodline
but they are children of faith and so
it's only faith that makes you challenge
me so yeah this is more deep serious
theological things as really funny
because like I've actually been accused
of being at my view as being
anti-semitic exactly experiences I talk
about God judging the Jews in the first
century destruction the temple but the
problem is is what they don't understand
is I'm saying the first century Jews
I'm only saying what Jesus said if you
want to if you want to call Jesus an
anti-semite be my guest because you're
the one who's gonna be judged but Jesus
is the one who said the first generation
will be judged but no other generation
after that as nothing no generation
after that has any blood guilt it's the
only the first generation that killed
Messiah so to call my view anti-semitic
is itself a kind of racism because I'm
literally saying the opposite I'm
literally saying only the first century
is guilty and no no other Jews are
guilty after that and and yet ironically
it's the dispensationalists who believe
that all the future prophecies that they
believe you are yet to come are rooted
in physical descendants of Jew of
Abraham of the bloodline being God's
chosen people which is racism and it
tell it the Scriptures tell you plainly
to stay away from genealogies and who's
your father Oh what you don't have
enough they literally gets done and
thousands of people that I've met and
been a part of these circles and these
conferences and paid to have these
people come down it taught to our
gatherings and stuff it gets really
demonic I will say that looking at left
behind looking at all the stuff that
we're talking about now shows us one
thing the power of art and the power of
books and writing I mean most of this
stuff like you said Kant was backed by
the Left Behind series these fiction
books that you know change the narrative
and they got behind it yeah and so it
shows us that the same way they kind of
that you for what you're doing you can
kind of undo some of that work or create
you know the true narrative or I look at
my music and things like that and see
the you know the entertainers which are
like the philosophers of our day now the
people blindly follow and they blindly
listen to ok that's what he said he wore
a suit it sounds professional I'm going
with it I believe him I don't know why
but I just feel something with dimming I
believe him in the end they push it they
repeat it shows you the power of art let
me play the devil's advocate here for a
second though because I'm sure you've
gotten this and there was even a there
was a quote here in the chat from
Christie folks and she wasn't accusing
you it was just pertaining to what we
were talking about but I'm gonna I'm
gonna play the devil's advocate as
accusing you the Bible says that we're
not to add to or take away from the book
and if we do would be accursed and I'm
sure you've gotten this from people
you're weaving stories in and out and
adding to and stuff like that have you
been accused of that what would you say
to someone who says that you're adding
to the Bible or the book of Revelation I
don't remember what I'm sure I have been
yeah well you know the problem is is
that that claim goes both ways I you
know my whole point is I'm not adding
I'm actually going back to the text it's
all these other futuristic views that
have actually been adding to the text
because if you listen closely to all my
arguments today you've noticed that I go
back to the text within the text I don't
go outside of the text I go within the
text and so I'm not adding to the text
I'm actually drawing out from the text
and the people who are adding the TAT to
the text would be more along the lines
of people who are imposing their own
modern-day view upon the ancient you
know book of Revelation you see I'm
saying so for instance when I say things
like what what what is the harlot well
the harlot is defined by the Bible and
we went into that and we showed oh okay
only a nation covenant with God could be
a harlot not a pagan nation so for
people to come and say well Rome's the
harlot they're the ones who are adding
because what they're saying is not
within the actual text you see and when
I say
like you know John says first one the
things are all these things in
Revelation are soon to take place right
I'm not the one who's adding I'm going
back to the original text and when
people say well I know that revelation
says all these things would soon take
place you know like within their
lifetime but it actually means thousands
of years from then they're adding to the
text I'm going back to the original text
in the original language when people say
well the Great Tribulation obviously
hasn't happened yet because nothing that
great could ever have happened so
therefore it must be in the future they
are adding to the text why because John
himself said the tribulation was going
on right then and there in our first one
chapter one first night
so you see him saying is this is why I
believe it's so important for us to to
really make biblical arguments for our
cases and not rely upon all these
modern-day newspaper exegesis you know
these guys I'm telling you you go back
and read I've got this book called
Armageddon now and the guy chronicles
how in that during the first world war
we're talking 1917 he shows how all the
Christian pre Millennials at that time
how they interpreted all the events that
were going on just like they're doing
today
you know Russia's doing this and all
that like nowadays right we've got Islam
is doing this for us and all these guys
know they're really up on what's going
on in the newspaper and in that sense I
sighs I guess they're they're laudable
because they really know what's going on
politically around the world but the
problem is is they have all these
details and then they all connect it to
Ezekiel and Jeremiah yeah and they don't
know that you guys did their ma-ma'am
you guys did that in World War one a
hundred years ago and you were all wrong
then - because you're interpreting it
you're executing the newspaper and in
the Bible and you need to apply it to
John's context not your own so that's
what I would say is is you're adding to
the text or taking away from the text
when you impose on it a modern view so
we need to go back to the original view
and that's how we get to the original
text I um I swallowed the pill of the
RFID chip I mean when it's when it's
brand-new to you of what
I'm sorry what the RFID chip Thanks oh
that it was the back of the beast when
that stuff's new to you and you're
reading the Bible and they're like hey
it's gonna be in your right hand they're
really chipping people bro they're
chipping people they're doing they're
gonna you know you're not gonna you can
buy with it and I mean like I said this
goes back from me 2008 is when I got
into this stuff and I'm it's a my music
I'm changing the way people think I'm
doing podcasts I'm preaching outside of
churches I'm preaching downtown the end
is near like doing this kind of stuff
right yeah it it it shapes to what
you're thinking that what you believe
and when people would come against me I
couldn't fathom it man and I had someone
share the info with me that I that they
you know in in there in their lifetime
they're a little bit older they believed
that the Social Security card was the
mark of the beast and how that you can
be cold and yeah you know you got
exactly you can't buy you have to you
have to mark the code when you buy a bag
of chips grocery store all of this stuff
and so you couldn't buy sell or trade
without the Social Security card and
some of these people man that like I
know personally I'm good friends with
them they believe that they've never
taken their children to the hospital to
the doctor's office one time this is
this is crazy but there's really people
out there it's crazy but there's a lot
there's a lot of eye-opening facts about
it as well because they thought that if
they went to the hospital when they were
in labor that their kids would get the
mark of the beast they would mark them
with this card Social Security card so I
have friends who are now 21 22 23
they're essentially illegal they can't
open a bank account they can't get a
driver's license because of their
parents who were like hey man this is
the end of the world they're giving
these cards out we're not getting it and
I'm protecting my children and all of
their kids who are you know they're some
of them are my age some of them are
younger they don't let their truck now
they're fighting what their parents have
done like look I'm trying to get married
I'm trying to create a life for myself
and these people don't recognize me um
you know and so people really believe
that at in the end they made decisions
and life choices based upon that when
it's interesting because these people
particularly when they're kids would
have 104 fever they wouldn't even take
him to the doctor if they would Wow
you know cut them sell those stitches
everything they did everything
themselves and they lived they didn't
live out in the woods they lived in
rural areas you know and so they I mean
they had neighbors and all that stuff so
very interesting when it comes to
vaccines people are saying this stuff
has real-life damaging implications it's
not just oh well I heard a different
belief about the enzymes and it doesn't
really matter you know you what your
thing is the way what we believe about
the future determines how we behave in
the presence and if we have a false
picture we're gonna behave yeah that's a
very very good point you know but you
know I on the other side of the coin I
would often tell these because I'm on
some of these guys shows and they're
futurists too and sometimes they're very
kind to have me on because they
completely disagree with me but they're
willing to you know let me let me give
my viewpoint which is really cool you
know and I have to appreciate that
and so not all of them are cooks and not
all of them are you know whatever but um
yeah sure yeah I know but but what I say
is I I go okay look I don't believe the
chip in a hand is the mark of the beast
but that doesn't mean I don't believe
it's evil Eve just because there's no
Antichrist coming doesn't mean I'm for
tyranny when tyranny shows up and I
believe mankind is sinful until the end
right so there will always be sin there
will always be tyranny we must always
fight tyranny so therefore I think chips
in the hand are bad just like you do I
just don't believe it's a fulfillment of
prophecy but I believe it's still
controlling humans which is going to be
evil right yeah so so you know in other
words just because you don't believe in
these prophecies doesn't mean you're you
just oh I'm just gonna believe and
accept the socialist one-world global
order of course not
it's of course it's evil it just doesn't
have to be a prophecy to be called evil
it's a Brian I appreciate this
conversation man let people know where
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one bro bye
Bryan good Darwin ladies and gentlemen
like I said the first show we did
together good stuff good stuff I love
talking about this man like he was
talking about like it seems like an
unpopular opinion even people who are
maybe new to my work and new to some of
this stuff like this is new to you
you've never heard this that prophecy
has already been fulfilled and man
there's just things that you can't
overlook when you go back to history and
understand like the people of the book
like it happened to them and it's it's
it's very interesting it changes the
narrative and you know just talking
about what you believe affects the way
you live
how'd you act how you treat people who
is this talking about ok Jesse Lee in
the comment section says I noticed
preaching brimstone makes me an angry
person no joy of the Lord there as deep
going out preaching the end is near
you're going to be destroyed
makes you an angry person but then going
out preaching the joy of the Lord
preaching the gospel or whatever what
Jesus has done and there's joy for you
you can lay your burdens down you can
pick up his burdens for his yoke is easy
and his burden is light like preaching
that kind of stuff it it changes the way
you see things I mean even understanding
the Illuminati and RFID and all of this
of understanding that studying it it
changes the way you see stuff your eyes
are opened to things that nobody has
seen the architecture you go downtown in
a big city you see them Masonic symbols
you're seeing ancient architecture the
way that they built their structures
you've seen all of this stuff because
you're studied on and your eyes are open
when it comes to that the eyes are open
when it comes to that um one of the
comments we had here I'm trying to keep
an eye on the comments section someone
said that I think it was binary Watcher
since they commit genocide on your dime
these other nations our government are
committing genocide through the wars all
of this stuff that they're doing when it
comes down to it I have a friend of mine
really close brother man when I got into
Messianic Judaism he was like my
entering he was into it taught me that
it was something different from the
crazy Karris Mattox that I had been a
part of at the time so he taught me
Messianic Judaism there's more of a
peaceful inward spiritual relationship
with Christ versus like ba hiranya
praying for people people falling out
flipping over the pews all of that which
I loved that stuff that's what I was
part of but it was just something more
of an inward knowing man it was a
beautiful thing that we participated
with with keeping Shabbat and
understanding the law and you know we
started eating kosher and all that kind
of stuff man so anyway this guy talked
about
the other day I had a conversation with
him and heard the urgency in his voice
but he says something very similar to a
binary said that they commit genocide on
your dime his brother was in a state of
panic that we need to come out of the
system because we're paying taxes and
they're taking our tax dollars and
funding genocide funding abortion
funding all of these different agendas
and things and going to war because we
give them money so the person was
frantic and believes that God's gonna
judge him or funding in aside funding
Wars killing babies the person was
frantic about it they believe that at
them paying taxes maybe if we quit
paying in taxes they'll stop if we quit
funding it they'll stop they'll stop
killing babies we'll stop going to war
yes we're not given our money keep it to
ourselves
taxation is theft all these movements
right I'm believing that who's gonna
pave your roads are you gonna do it
you're gonna go out there and take care
of them the road in front of house my
neighbors take care of my road I don't
but who's gonna who's gonna do that you
stop paying taxes if you believe that if
you withhold your dime then it's gonna
it's gonna end it these people print the
money man these people make they create
money they print it so you not you
taking away your support is not gonna
stop this
well what if we get everybody to come
out of Babylon this is the Babylonian
system God's gonna judge us at the end
of the day because and this person said
this their blood is on our hands the
blood of the innocent is on our hands if
we don't blow the whistle if we don't
pull ourselves out of this
that is a lot of guilt that you are
bearing and you have no control over sir
you take that into your conversation you
take that into the way you view the
world this person became a hermit as
everything's evil everything outside of
him and it's family their doctrine is
right right most of these people think
that their doctrine is right they're not
open for correction they're not open for
debate they're right everyone else is
wrong and this into the world mentality
Jesus is coming back to take us out of
here and destroy the wicked there's this
weird inner sense of like they want it
to happen they want God to judge the
wicked I mean I think I think we want
things to be restored we don't want
wickedness to rule the Bible says that
when the whenever the wicked rule the
people mourn but when the righteous rule
the people rejoice so but people want
God to destroy sinners man they're like
looking for it they're looking forward
to it they're looking forward versus
trying to win that person over to their
belief or to their faith man what you
believe really determines the way that
you act there's a lot of people comment
in here now saying that uh they believe
a lot of this stuff is spiritual for
them I believe it is like I said I mean
the the spiritual union with Christ I
mean Christ living within your heart
your body being the temple of God the
scripture says that God dwelleth not in
temples made with hands
but you are the temple of the holy
spirit and the Spirit of God dwelleth
within you so now you become the temple
and God rebuilt that temple Christ
rebuilt that temple so that the Spirit
of Christ dwells within our hearts
giving us a new heart that screams forth
Abba Father new desires new emotions we
have a hope of a manifestation of Christ
with Dennis
we are Jesus walking on the earth he's
still here reaching people loving people
just simply trying to go out there and
do what he said do becoming open to a
hopeless world right
that's the fulfillment of that
understanding man whatever people tell
they're looking for truth what is truth
man I'm looking for truth I mean I've
coined the term truth seeker my rap name
that was done in like thousand and three
men and really have turned into that and
it's kind of become my destiny right
hymns open that name over myself so many
times and wrote it down became a sigil I
became the truth seeker 20:18 doing the
true seeker podcast
it became my truth to us it became my
reality seeking for true searching for
truth getting to the bottom of it big
when does the seeking stop when does the
searching stop when do you when are you
sent you know we uh we encourage men to
seek after the truth find the truth go
after the truth regardless I mean I have
it tattooed on my chest this is out of
the book it's a rock out of the
Apocrypha strive for the truth until
death in the Lord shall fight for thee
this truth to be sent
to understand truths to embody it
whatever that means to you
we encourage men to seek after the truth
but we crucified them when they claim
that they found it did you get that
we encourage men to seek after the truth
but we crucify them when they claim that
they found it
keep searching brother keep seeking oh I
got it no no no no it's not it that's
not it
piece of it but it's not it it's more
you know what I'm saying and so this
truth whatever this truth is it becomes
true true for you of what you you're
studying and I'm reading the comments
here man
people are like no this is the truth no
this is the truth let me show you what
I've seen it's all it is all plays on
what you've seen men I've seen things
men in the Watchmen song I don't know
how many of you got guys have the
Watchmen album but it's a quote on there
he sings I've seen some things seen some
things there's things that you listening
may have may never see that I've been
privy to experience a vice versa vice
versa there's things that you guys the
listener you've seen you've experienced
that some of us may go to our deathbed
without experiencing in our little
paradigm of what truth is becomes truth
to us and our family in what's demonic
the opposite of truth or whatever we
feel like is a falsehood or as a lie
as really blessed to some people has
really helped people get through life
has been their truth whether we come
from a biblical approach of what truth
is and what the Bible says mean
there's so much in that that I've
brought out over the years and I
continue to bring out that I try to show
you things in there that you've never
seen especially the things that people
call evil but God is called good people
that people call evil baba says called
no man evil the Bible says judge no man
before the appointed time there's things
in there unless you have read it
experienced it someone said that truths
comes to experience that's gnosis I
really believe that we're going off of
the revelation of someone else I mean
even we were reading the Bible like
these are these people's revelation of
Jesus Christ it says that John above my
revelation of Jesus what is your gospel
who do you say that he is that's what it
comes down to who was Jesus for you
uh he was a magician I can agree with
that he was a wizard you know people
like they get into that aspect of him he
was this he was that he's the Savior
he's them he's my lord he's this he's
that
he's the son of God he's the son of man
it was born of a virgin
his father was Joseph like who is he to
you who is Jesus to you who was II to
you wow that's deep who was he to you
why did you let these people take your
faith from you who was Jesus to you you
had a relationship now you've let all
these questions come in the seeking
truths has kind of taken that simplicity
of the gospel from you the simplicity
which is found in Christ let no man rob
you of that let no man deceive you
this is your journey all of these
questions I think they come in for a
reason I think they come to build upon
that of who Jesus is for us or who God
is what God is who we are right I mean
we read the scripture will be holding
into a mirror and right when I said that
at a chat here
um I says it's an allegorical tale if
you believe that that has implications
too because you're reading not about
Paul you're not reading about I like to
go to the Old Testament for this
honestly when it comes to the allegory I
mean the New Testament quotes allegory
from the Old Testament but you're
reading about yourself you're not
reading about King David you're not
reading about Solomon you're reading
about you you're reading your own
autobiography essentially your own
ascension process your own inward
struggle different ways to overcome the
ways that they overcame spiritually who
are these people spiritually I mean you
I mean most of you guys were head over
heels about America being Babylon
definitely not physically Babylon I mean
we went over that today spiritually is
it Babylon what gods are present what
gods are being worshiped by our rulers
or the elite is it the Babylonian gods
is it the Greek gods who are we is it a
melting pot as some suggests that
America is a melting pot of all of these
gods and everything put together
maybe that's a new concept for you at
the elite worship foreign God's it's
different like once you studied you
can't go back once you open the door you
can't go back you shouldn't want to go
back you shouldn't want to you want
everything to make sense you want to you
want to to know what you believe you
want to be able to prove what you
believe or what you know we talked about
this it's a difference between having
faith in God or believing in God versus
knowing God there's things that I know
like I said I'm privy to just because of
my experiences and you could try to
recreate them we do things I mean
supernatural encounters and prayer and
meditations and spiritual experiences
that I know things exist the beings
exist love exist seeing God in nature
exist being strung out on dope exists
being homeless exists I mean we have
people from all walks of life here Paul
says become all things to all men so
that you can win some what have you seen
this is why this podcast exists I'm
curious I love to hear your perspective
where you've come from what you've seen
are you telling the truth are you making
it up are you a great storyteller are
you convincing I mean we got a lot of
comments about a Laura Eisenhower just
making it up you know and people you
know
into the day who knows I mean we share
our stories how many how many stories
can you tell right now a PITA nobody
will believe you I had store I got a
story about a mouse I'm at the other
story people think I made this up no ok
what were you smoking what were you
drinking that was thirteen years old I'm
sitting here playing my video game in my
room I got a little aquarium sitting on
the ground in that aquarium
I have mice little little mice that I
play with little companions so I'm
playing my video game Mike sit on the
ground in the aquarium another mouse
runs from down the hallway of this
trailer I was living in looks at mom my
mouse jumps up and jumps in they run
around for you jumps back out and leaves
all while I'm sitting here looking at it
I was seen that I was privy to that I
just I'll tell that story and nobody
believes me nope no way that could
happen who you know you're making that
up you're on drugs you know no that
happened and that's just this is an
example right I mean what kind of
stories do you have what kind of
experiences do you hold on to right I
mean at this point now like I think we
go from experience to experience from
story to story my life is there's
definitely those things I mean I can
look back at my life and there's most of
the stuff is in between but you have
these big milestones that changed the
course of your life
I mean trauma traumatic experiences that
happen to you when you're a kid
beautiful experiences that happen to you
as a kid that changed your life and you
take with you um coming into knowledge
of Christ things like that
like becoming born-again getting filled
with the Holy Spirit these monumental
things that change your life seeing a
ghost
seeing a demon being attacked in your
sleep sleep paralysis I mean there's so
much things that we have the experience
and all of us have our own stories men
it in your stories beautiful it's unique
to you you being open and honest about
your story the good the bad the ugly all
of it I believe it can help somebody
believe that there's people who are
ashamed of this story that you can't
share your story of your mouse running
in your room because people think you're
crazy you can't share your UFO
encounters you can't share your
psilocybin encounters as I'm reading in
the chat you can't share that people I
think you're crazy
I believe that you have something that's
gonna help somebody and the only way
they're gonna get help is if you're open
with your story and who you are and what
you believe I've seen it this is truth
this isn't my theory that that's my
truth that's why I walk in it that's why
I embody it that's why I'm open with it
versus the ridicule and whatever comes
with it the fame whatever like it's
truth it's my truth take your truth let
your freak flag fly be proud of who you
are what God whispers in your ear in the
secret in the secret places experiences
that you've had shot it from the
rooftops what happens in the secret God
will reward you openly in front of men
be open with it be honest I'll be afraid
to talk about it whatever it is whatever
you feel called to do man I hope these
are encouraging words I hope that you
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like what do you mean by crazy people
the list goes on and on
it's crazy people out there guys be
careful watch yourself don't do nothing
stupid
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what books should you read The Alchemist
you should read the the final quest most
people have read the final quest who
I've been telling about this you guys
have to read the alchemist to like once
you've done with final quest make sure
you I read the alchemist trust me by
name it sounds like some kind of a
cultic the alchemist we're gonna teach
you alchemy you know but it's about
spiritual alchemy it's about going
through your alchemical process in life
to obtain your goals your dreams in your
to come to pass and what you must do to
do that alchemist you can download that
free by going to my link in the
description and they give us a kickback
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whole month is booked this whole month
is booked we were live on the school of
the Mystics Thursday night and we played
an audio clip by a woman named her Laura
Alicia and so this was just kind of like
spur the moment we were talking about
the power of words and writing in
cursive and the spelling and as you
write you perform a magical write you
write in cursive curses and you cast
spells with your spelling and all of
this of the power of words so we were
talking about that and in our community
Thursday night and so I remember seeing
that video so I looked it up and I found
that video we played it and it was this
lady Laura Alisha talking about the
power of words and she put it in a
really good way your job you know waking
up awake you go to awake when you're
dead people in the morning people are in
mourning at funerals and all of this
stuff with words and showing you the
power of words so anyway played that
video and I say you know it'd be a
really cool guests I emailed her right
then and there are we having a
conversation - emailed me back I talked
to her for a good while last night she's
scheduled to be on the podcast probably
do a song together that lady is an
awesome woman Laurel Alicia y'all type
that in she's got some awesome rhymes
man some awesome poetry I don't know how
old she is but we're gonna make this
happen so good stuff so with that I'm
gonna say peace and salome love you guys
and we'll do it again soon I'm just hope
we're booking into September right now
if you want to come on the show if you
got a a guest in mine message me email
me we'll make it happen
peace and Shalom love you guys see y'all
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