The Atheist Who Went To Heaven | The NDE of Nancy Rynes

The Atheist Who Went To Heaven | The NDE of Nancy Rynes
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today's guest this is a really
interesting topic we've covered it
before but it's just a beautiful topic
to explore we're talking about
near-death experiences today my guest is
Nancy rinds Nancy welcome to the true
seeker podcast how are you my friend I
am awesome today thank you for having me
on and happy New Year to everyone
awesome you have a long list of
credentials and going forth and sharing
your story on a lot of large platforms
you've been on that the NBC Today Show
speaking of Meghan Kelly about your
experiences tons of of places that
you've been and I've I've watched a
little bit and I've made sure that I
didn't just dive all the way into it
because I wanted to kind of have my mind
blown this morning during conversations
I've listened to your story and I know a
lot about it the death is something that
a lot of people are afraid of we're
getting older you know we have a new
year here time is very interesting in
the way it affects the human body and
how we experience it on this side of
eternity
you were an atheist who had a near-death
experience and rocked your world better
and I'm thrilled and ready for you to
share your story so if you want to just
kind of give you a background a little
bit let people know who you are what you
bring to the table would that be an
awesome place to start yeah you're right
I was an atheist before all this
happened in fact I was raised actually
in the Catholic faith and when I went
off to college what we a long a long
time ago I went into the sciences and in
the sciences it's not really accepted to
be anything other than a huge skeptic
and materialist and atheist so I that's
sort of what became my norm and that's
what I bought into for so many years but
about actually five years ago in just a
couple of days so my my five year
rebirth of ursery is is in a few days
you have the date I do actually my my
accident that I'll be talking about was
on January 3rd of 2014 so it's coming up
here pretty quick but you know before
all that happen I didn't believe in
anything I was terrified of death as so
many people are I mean it was it would
keep me awake at night thinking about
how afraid I was of that final crossing
and you know I had lost some family and
friends before so I had seen it happen
and it terrified me even more and then
and then my accident came so I was
bicycling in my little hometown in near
Boulder Colorado at that time and just
doing my normal errands around town on a
bike and if anybody knows you know the
boulder area everybody does stuff on a
bike it's not unusual that people are
out all year round so I was out on
January 3rd it was a beautiful warm day
and I went her into a roundabout one of
those traffic circles and I was
basically t-boned like this from this
from my right side by a woman who was
driving a very large SUV and she was
texting while she was driving I didn't
know that but I just saw as I was coming
in
to where she hurt her road was hitting
the traffic circle I thought she was
gonna stop but at the very last minute
it looked like she kind of floored it so
I didn't know what was going on I was
just in that moment focused on trying to
survive and somehow I mean she hit me
but somehow I ended up on the hood of
her vehicle looking in at her like you
know go away one of these in part me
would you do what I do like Hello I was
thinking in my mind hello can't you know
aren't you looking at me can't you see
me but she was so focused on her phone
that she didn't see me looking back at
her and so she kept driving and I I was
absolutely flabbergasted but I was also
terrified you know there was that
immediate I had this feeling that this
could be it you know this could be how
it all ends for me right here and she
kept driving and and I ended up because
I couldn't find anything to hang on to
it was just in that weird point on the
hood of her vehicle I couldn't grab so I
slipped down the front of her vehicle
and hit the pavement and then as she
rolled I was luckily in between her
front wheels luckily but as she rolled
over me it was something like out of a
movie almost like Indiana Jones
I actually got stuck on the underside of
her vehicle and she was then she was
dragging me as she was driving I'm
underneath like this being dragged
underneath the vehicle and talk about
terror I mean I was absolutely
absolutely terrified but one thing did
happen which was the beginning of my
sense that all is not as I thought it
was in my whole life so as as I hit the
pavement there was a part of my
consciousness that remained in my body
it was very animal I would say like the
I call it the human body consciousness
very focused on survival
fear terror you know that whole
everything that we would think of as far
as what an animal might feel in that
situation but then I at the same time I
noticed a part of me was outside of the
accident watching the whole thing seeing
things that I shouldn't have been able
to see from under the car I was watching
that whole thing from I don't know 50 to
75 feet away as as I was being dragged
underneath and it was that part of me
that was outside I call it some people
call it The Watcher some people call it
your soul I don't know what to call it I
just know that that part of me was very
calm and serene and very connected I
guess you might say to the greater
reality and knew that this was going to
be fine in the end and there was a kind
of a struggle that I had you know there
was a that sense of everything's going
to be just fine it's it hurts now but it
will be fine and then that me underneath
the vehicle was like no this isn't okay
you know this is horrible and that that
sense of what I call dual consciousness
being able to experience two levels of
consciousness at the same time very
distinctly that lasted until the
paramedics finally arrived so what I saw
from my outside perspective was that the
guy that had been following her in
another he was in another truck you know
just a bystander drove around the
traffic circle the opposite way to stop
her because he had seen what happened so
he blocked her from continuing to drive
and effectively saved my life if he
hadn't done that
you know I wouldn't be here so he was
able to stop the accident from
continuing or stop the crash from going
on and then he called
he and probably a couple other people
from what I understand called you know
called it into the police and you know
the paramedics arrived fairly quickly
after that
and you know luckily for me there was a
nurse on the scene who happened to be a
trauma nurse or at least she said she
was a trauma nurse and there was a
trauma doctor at the scene as well he
was following me in another vehicle so
he was behind me and he saw the whole
thing unfold and he ended up being my my
doctor in the ER for the rest of the day
as well so he followed me in but I was
so lucky to have all of that support and
help right away at the scene but as you
know as the paramedics were working on
me and I was feeling the body pain I had
that sense of both both aspects of my
consciousness coming back together and I
remember laying there on the pavement
thinking what the heck just happened I
didn't use the word heck but what the
heck just happened what was all that and
I had no concept of what that could be
because first of all as a scientist I've
been trained your your consciousness
can't leave your body because it's
produced by your brain right so that
whole thing shouldn't have happened but
it did and that's where the weird stuff
kind of the weird stuff from my old my
old me the weird stuff started but for
me that's where my life really began to
unfold in a beautiful way Wow that's
pretty deep I mean a lot to say there
did I so it almost seemed like it was
gonna was going to or was I hit and run
I think it was going to be a hit and run
yeah the one once the woman got out of
her of her SUV what I saw cuz I was
laying partially out from underneath of
her vehicle at that time and I was just
kind of looking
her out of the corner of my eye and she
took one look at me got back in the car
and started it up like she was gonna
drive off well with me still underneath
did you got the way and you know got to
be at work or something well yeah and
and she luckily again I don't know if it
was the doctor that stopped her I think
it was the doc because the the other
bystander was actually still on the
phone with the paramedics at that point
but someone stopped her from going
anywhere
luckily for me not but it was gonna be a
hit-and-run I believe so
okay you were an atheist you have this
experience you almost experienced
something kind of like bilocation dual
dual consciousness which is very
interesting is that enough to kind of
shake your belief I mean you have that
running with death what happened after
that was there this place that you went
to this glorious paradise the land
flowing with milk and honey did you see
angels was there any of that that took
place as well yes that part of it the
the bigger what I was really truly
turned the near-death experience
happened a couple days later so this
this was just enough to be today I was
starting to question what I thought was
reality that was all it did it was like
what in the world was that that doesn't
make any sense but three days later I
ended up having to go into surgery to
repair my spine because my spine was as
you might imagine
busted beyond belief the fact that I can
now still walk is utterly amazing my
neck was broken in multiple places my
lower back was a mess it was broken in
multiple places so really I shouldn't
have survived the accident but so I was
scheduled to go in for surgery on the
following Monday so this was a Friday
and went in on Monday and I had what no
one can really explain was a bad a bad
reaction to the anesthesia and which is
weird because I had had this anesthesia
many times before when I've had
you know regular surgeries I've had a
few other surgeries before and and never
had a reaction at all but this time my
heart stopped my breathing stopped you
know my blood pressure went basically
flatlined for somewhere between a minute
and two minutes which in the OL are is a
real long time they don't like that
happening yeah but it's a long time and
what I experienced though I I didn't
know any of that all I all I experienced
was drifting off you know into
unconsciousness because of the
anesthesia and then I woke up which
you're not supposed to do and I woke up
standing up which again I looked down
and like this isn't supposed to be
happening I was standing up on a
hillside and well it wasn't necessarily
the land of milk and honey it was
definitely a different realm or a
different a different part of reality or
a bigger part of reality and it wasn't
really the visuals that were astounding
to me while they were there was the
energy the colors the sense of depth to
everything around me it wasn't just a
tree that was in front of me it was tree
with many layers of energy like coursing
underneath of it that wasn't the kicker
the kicker for me was feeling coming
through me like through to my body waves
of love what it's the only term that I
can come up with waves of love and
acceptance and joy and peace and
welcoming and that is what really woke
me up and I looked around I remember
distinctly looking around like this
isn't a bad place to be during surgery
because I was I was actually thinking
that I was hallucinating at that point
even though you're not really supposed
to be able to hallucinate while you're
under anesthesia
I was thinking that it was a
hallucination but then I began to wonder
if I died on the operating table because
this I knew that this level of awareness
shouldn't happen under anesthesia and I
thought well I must have died because
that's the only thing in my mind that
could explain this but then I thought
well if I died why why am I here because
I don't believe in any of this I don't
believe in anything after death that
death is it and that's when there was a
it wasn't really a voice I call it a
voice but it was a voice that kind of
came from everywhere through me it
wasn't really an audible voice
necessarily but this voice said this is
your home welcome back home you are a
part of me you're a part of us welcome
home and that's when I just wept because
I remembered just in that instant that
that was our souls reality if you will
and and this physical is but a temporary
state of being and that's when things
began to shift is when I remembered what
my true home was you know that that's
where things really opened up for me and
where I was really challenged beyond I
still AM to this day but that's where
the challenge began the challenge to
really embrace that here in this plane
that was my you know my life's
challenges to take that all that I
learned in the time after that voice
welcomed me there was I was there for
what seemed like months but I knew that
the challenge would be to take that and
come here with it that's always the the
hard part
Slippery you hanging on you're trying to
explain to people what colors sound like
rain knowing what
what sound looks like in the feeling and
it's so it's it's very similar the way
you're sharing that story like we've had
we did we did a men's retreat and we did
a pretty high-level dose of psilocybin
mushrooms and felt like we had that we
went to the place you go when you die
and the funny thing is it's sounds
exactly like what you're talking about
this ancient place of the ancestors are
like hey this is where this is where
you're coming we're here we love you and
and you feel loved yeah you're talking
about the sound and there's a thing to
kind of like know you're loved whether
it's love by God or love by your family
you know it but to tangibly be able to
feel loved wash over you like physically
euphoric li wash over you right and
clean you out
that is it's hard to explain that and
there's this like you know we've had
that encounter then I've had other
people have had near-death experiences
on here there's a there's there's these
bible scriptures like Paul Apostle Paul
like leaving his body and traveling to
the third heaven and he comes back and
he says I seen things that it's not
permissible for me to say like even if I
want it to communicate I heard the voice
of angels they have their own language I
there's no way I can physically I would
sound like a madman I'm gonna do my best
but there's no way to kind of articulate
the beauties and wonders that I've seen
and just so just to just start to take a
piece of it and and share that in and to
bring it back in and try to embody that
truth of hey this is temporary where
you're going is a beautiful place and
it's what we all came from and though
that information that comes from that
realm is so beautiful you talk about
having this inward knowing this
quickening you know it even calls it a
quickening in the Bible this inner still
small voice or whatever guiding you
he said they spoke as we this is you
know we're here with you did you see any
any beings there's people in the chat
want to know you know people follow that
you know that these stories of these uh
you know near-death experiences they
and most people say there's a man who
approaches them is it Jesus is that the
Christ does he may not even say his name
did you have that kind of encounter at
all of someone who's like I'm the one
who shows you around or anything I did I
did and she she I called her she but but
I also know that that was a cloak that
she wore just for the time that she was
with me in fact she said that but I'll
call her she and later she explained
that I could use the name Mary although
she said don't put too much but put too
much on that name it's just a name that
many have worn and it's it's just as
good as any is how she put it so it's
just a name which is why I often don't
use that people put too much
I'll get the name right then you know
but this when she approached me she
looked like a silvery spiritual I mean
all I can say is she looked like a
silvery spiritual being that was vaguely
in a human like womanly form with what
appeared to be long hair and her her
guard she glowed I mean it was like this
silvery glow that was coming off of her
and her garments or her energy around
her looked like you know cloaks but I
knew and she explained to me that that
was really just a a form that she took
an order for me not to get freaked out
because I knew as a human I'm still
partially in that human phase because
once you what I've learned since and
during that time is that when you first
take the first steps in leaving this
body you're still pretty well attached
to it you there's a process of letting
go of that attachment to the physical
human self and I was still pretty fairly
attached to that physical human self so
there was still the the potential to
have fears come up and and she and they
all of them did everything they could to
keep me from freaking out
so that meant the guide that came to me
would be one that wouldn't be
intimidating I think if if Christ would
have shown up or Buddha or some you know
bigwig would have shown up I would have
totally freaked out because that's just
that wasn't my reality up to that point
my I needed somebody that was kind of
like me that I could relate to so what I
saw was a woman who had an incredible
connection to a group of beings beyond
her which were kind of like phased out
of my sight I knew that they were there
with me I could feel them I could feel
their thoughts occasionally I could like
in here not in here not by my ears but
in here I could feel their emotions I
knew what they were feeling but I
couldn't communicate directly with them
because as they said there are too many
of us and only one of you and you can't
handle the amount of information that we
could give to you all at once so it was
being filtered through this mm-hmm woman
this woman Lee guide of mine and she
acted as kind of the intermediary for
this whole this whole time that I was
there and effectively what it was was a
training session or a retraining session
and she was teaching me what I needed to
take back to this life in order to make
this life one that would be worthwhile
for me and my family and my friends so
basically to be you know to be that the
love that I wish to see in the world to
learn how to really do that to be
present with that that higher truth in
this life so I could just be an example
of what that looks like it isn't so much
about telling people it's also about
being an example and so the next what
seemed like a couple of months I mean
there wasn't really a passage of time
because time is meaningless as you
on that in that realm it's it there
isn't a sense of that but if I was to
learn those same things here in the same
way it would take a few or three months
here so she taught me you know that some
of the grander concepts of love and
gratitude and connection and how your
thoughts and feelings and choices truly
affect the world around you not just the
physical world but also spiritually how
those spiritual vibes if you will go out
how every everything that you do every
way that you show up in this in your
life makes a difference and it was all
of those things together that really
began just began the process of shifting
it's taken many years after that kind of
fully bring it into my life but that's
when it started began to really truly
unfold for me but to have that support
now those thousand or so other beings I
knew were you could call them a soul
family you could call them soul friends
I like to term them my friends because
they tend to be my you know I call them
my spiritual friends but they they're a
as everybody has a group of like-minded
or like hearted spiritual beings that
that tend to support each other and they
were mine you know you'll you'll have
yours everybody has them but they were
mine and they were there to support me
and and be with me during this this time
of my learning let me ask you this about
the woman yeah then just about the place
in general because you're talking about
um she assumed a form that wouldn't
freak you out something you can handle
now we've heard a lot of stuff about
that where the Jesus figure or the 80s
or whoever they're able to kind of take
forms that you're going to accept that's
not gonna freak you out of scare you I
want to ask you this
in that realm that you were in you seen
hills mountains beautiful trees it
looked like Earth something you were
used to something a place where you
wouldn't freak out hey this is what she
knows she loves trees and this givers
let's show her this did that is there a
chance that that materialized for you to
feel safe and that's really not what it
looked like and I say that because my
experience on that side was a lot of
moving colors was a lot of geometric
patterns was there's no way to explain
there was nothing was everything was
moving you know although everything was
moving you have you have you explored
that thought at all that they brought
you to a a simulation room or this place
ahead this is what we can meet with her
let's give her a place you're right
you're absolutely right one at one point
as we were what I call walking we
weren't really walking we were kind of
gliding I looked behind me because I was
the scientist brain was thinking just
that like what is this how come it's
exactly like I think it should look like
right and I looked behind me and it was
fading away into a gray mist there was
nothing behind me and when I looked at
her I asked her about that she said we
have we have constructed this place for
you well we've gone basically gone into
who you are as a human and like you said
pulled out that which would feel
comfortable for you we have kurt you you
meaning so she was talking about me she
said you and we have created this place
together for you as a transition it is a
it as you describe I call it the green
room but but it's a transition place
where you get you basically get what you
need to be in you get to see or
experience that which you need to
experience in order to move on whether
that's moving on to fold final death or
in my case a learning experience than to
be able to come back but in that in
between in between physical the physical
vibration and the the full-on spiritual
vibration we do have what we what we
experience is really drawn upon from us
and what it is that we need and to some
extent what our team what our spiritual
team are what the divine thinks that we
need in order to move on so yes it
really was what I see that's why in my
it's why when I talk about this to
groups and even in the book that I've
written I don't really go into the
visuals all that much I go into some of
the basics like how you can see emotions
come through the colors that are in the
plants right you know and and your
emotional state will affect the energy
of the world around you but I kept
stressing to folks and I still do that
what I physically or what I think looks
physically around you know like a
landscape around me may be different for
you you might be at the beach you know
you might be on a planet in some other
star system III don't know and so that's
why I don't really go into like the tour
guide aspect of what I experienced
because it will be different for each
person that piece of it the the the
outward piece of it will be different
how long will you uh pronounced dead for
I know it was just a few minutes but
felt like consciously in eternity I mean
how long how long would you were you
over there for and in the physical realm
well you know it depends on how my
doctor describes it to me so physically
I was out for about a minute and a half
that's the flat line piece of it now
when when he and I talked about this
later and he does not discount this by
the way so he's one of the few docs
that will come out and say these these
events are real they they point to a
greater reality than just this but he
says
you know that in his experience those
physical those physical crises can just
begin begin the NDE and the and ee
itself can last for like the entire
surgery so he doesn't really know he
said it was at least a minute and a half
but that it could have been for me that
I was you know off in the spirit realm
for for up to two hours because that's
the length of the surgery I don't know I
don't really know but I do know that to
me like it said it felt like a couple of
months time there isn't in it and that's
the hard that's the hard thing - one of
the hard things to explain to people is
like that times I cotta me you know it
just it we experienced an arrow of time
as it's called but there everything is
all at once you know everything is now
when whenever you came back you talked
about this you know this information
that you received and just deep inner
universal truths about God about life
about yourself about energy you take
that with you you try to articulate it
there's much more that was shown to you
but it's slippery and it's just how the
human mind works we kind of know it we
forget details it just because there's
just so much you're talking about like I
said like almost like another lifetime
within a two minute window maybe or
whatever the case was so you kind of
lose a lot of that stuff coming through
but you hold on to what you can to try
to articulate it to remember to write it
down are you able to communicate now
with the angelic figure that approached
you with the guides did they tell you
hey when you need us we're here just tap
in come to the come to the place where
there is no time in between the thoughts
that's our walkie-talkie come here we'll
meet with you are you able to do that
get and actually go back and access that
information a
do you practice that in a taller I do I
do it it's and it's a you know it took
me a month to learn how to do that from
here because it's a shift it's really
learning how to shift your energy up
enough that that those entities the
Celestials or Angelics can come down and
um meet in that level where both can
communicate for us it's it's tough to
get for a lot of people to get their
energy up to a place where they can hear
that oftentimes everybody actually has
access to that divine voice in their
heart and that's where going into the
quiet to whether you call it meditation
I call it prayer
some people go out and to nature and
commune with nature but getting into
that quiet voice in your heart is is an
easy way to get there but if for me to
get to a similar level as I was during
my NDE which almost every near-death
experiencer wants to get back to
experience that level here in the
physical I've learned how to do it
through a combination of contemplative
practices and in raising up my energy
level but it's very for me it's a very
deliberate and intentional process I can
when I get myself into a pickle
sometimes those those that guidance will
come right through whether whether I've
done the work to get up to that level or
not and and my spiritual guy who will be
right there with me but for the most
part I have to be very intentional about
making that shift up in energy or
consciousness to get to that here that
that guidance you you know growing up
Catholic I don't know what it was that
swayed you away from the faith or made
you become an atheist if you really
believed at all even growing up
there's always a sense of you're running
from the very thing that you need your
paw you know Paul Paul why are you
persecuting me I'm you but you're
telling people I don't exist or you're
an atheist you don't believe well
there's a scientific mind that just kind
of battles faith at times like that
coming from that background Catholicism
and forgive me if I'm if I'm wrong but I
really see the Catholic faith really
venerates mother Mary sometimes maybe
even over Christ where you know um said
we prayed to Mary we asked her to do you
know to pray on our behalf and things
like that so it's very oriented around
the woman do you think that that is one
of the reasons that the woman showed up
to you rather than the Christ figure was
it that Mary was that safe motherly
being that's been there and you kind of
had that marriage back with maybe the
thing you were running from that Mary
was the personification of grace of the
you know the motherly aspect of the
faith do you think that that had to come
into play at all
I think it may have been the nurturing
aspect of it the motherly aspect again
the the figure that showed up to me said
not to place too much emphasis on you
know the name because it was or who she
was but but I think the fact that it was
a gentle loving motherly figure
probably hearkened back to that but
there's also another potential aspect to
that in that you know my childhood
wasn't necessarily the best and at that
time also I needed a motherly figure and
so there's probably a lot of reasons why
that being chose to show up as a female
I mean the way that that she explained
it to me and I hate to use the pronoun
she' because she really wasn't a she at
her inner core she was non gender
you know it wasn't technically in our
language it's an you know it was an it
but the the cloak that was brought to me
was one that would be comforting and
that would be you know someone that
could nurture that could be gentle yet
strong and and maybe that's where you
know the whole motherly figure came in
was was that was what felt yeah natural
to me now as a kid it was always I
always felt like I wasn't good enough
for Jesus I never felt good enough for
Jesus because he is in at least in my
church he was you know this perfect
being that you know you couldn't be you
couldn't be imperfect around him right
that was the way he was presented to me
that's not that's not hell you know
that's what I took away from was that I
had to be perfect and there was no room
for imperfection well I wonder if that's
why and I'm just putting two and two
together I wonder if that's why there's
a lot of personification of the saints -
hey ask this Saint to pray on my behalf
because I'm not really worthy to go
directly to him but this Saint who was
who has lived a perfect life or a great
life they're more worthy I wonder if
that is kind of how that goes on a
little bit in the faith it could be you
know a lot of Catholics are lapsed
Catholics that I've spoken with have
that insecurity about about Jesus about
Christ they don't in fact my dad you
know when he was a Catholic up until the
day he died and didn't feel worthy of
Jesus the day he died and you know this
was a man who had been a believer his
entire life 70 some 90 years but he
didn't feel good enough so there's this
I don't know if it's every Catholic but
certainly within some of the Catholic
folks out there there's this not not
good enough you know we don't feel good
enough to be associated with with Jesus
so we need to find something else that's
kind of that in
you know I've never even looked at it
like that but that is very interesting
yeah we are I mean we are I want to put
it out there yeah imperfections are
normal and accepted and part of the
whole process of being human and there
it's fully understood that we are
imperfect beings that we're loved and in
fact you know we are beloved because of
it so I don't want anybody to go away
with this thought that there because
we're all imperfect that we're not
worthy that's totally not the case I've
learned I've learned my lesson there
that's good I want to ask you this
because this is something I've explored
and talked about openly on on on many
podcast and I've actually said I would
like to speak to someone who's been on
this similar aspect there's this you
know we talked to a lot of spiritualist
a lot of New Agers a lot of Christians
or whatever to me it's just natural for
God to be the father I call him when in
my prayer life it's father God I talk
about mother God too but that is more of
the earth energy for me this father God
and how when I came to faith it was very
much so that I had a mother growing up I
didn't have a father I needed that
masculinity I needed that father figure
to hug me to love me to affirm me to
teach me things that a father never
taught me so I can be objective about my
belief and know why I needed that father
and quite literally I feel like God
showed up as a father in my life right
but I wondered what about the person who
didn't have the mother does God show up
to be the mother for that person and it
sounds like that some some what I would
you ve encountered a little bit so would
you say that that happens like what like
there's all of these names for God even
in the Bible this you know our beads
I'll be your provider I'll be your
protector
I'll be your strong tower and there's
different literal names for each
attribute of God God the Father so does
God show up because he shows up as what
you need if you don't need it why would
why would that why would it even be
there
you need the mother figure does God show
up and nurture you and or sinful if the
Angels who are the the nurturing spirits
or the Holy Spirit which is more of a
motherly figure does that is that kind
of how you interpreted it a little bit
yeah I think so you know we're like I
said before we're given exactly that
which we need not just that during an
experience like an NDE but here now too
you know in this place there is no
separation you know that's one of the
the key things that I learned is there
isn't a scent this separation between
the physical and the non-physical it's
just a gradual shift there's not like a
wall that you have to jump over in order
to get you know into the spiritual realm
it's it's a shift in consciousness and a
shift in energy that's that's on a
continuum really but but yes we can
experience at least in my view we
experience the divine in whatever way we
need in that moment for me now it shifts
a lot I tend to experience that divine
presence as as it's been as I heard it
over there called
the one who is the all or the one and so
that's how I experienced as kind of a
non gender-specific
you know one love one universal love one
universal knowledge but certainly at
times when so I had another NDE
last year very brief but in that time
that divine voice was very masculine I
mean it was very definitely the same
voice but it came in with like a more
masculine aspect and so during that
brief experience I think what I needed
was kind of like it alright you know a
firm father figure to say you got to
make a choice here kiddo you know this
is this is do or die literally and and
and I needed that firm kind of father
like voice to make that decision
to cut that and that asked in that time
it was to come back here so I had
another experience about a year ago
where I was in the hospital with
pneumonia and waited too long to go into
the hospital and and effectively died on
in the ER because my flung her filled up
and as I floated out of my body that
voice came through very masculine and
said you know you have a choice right
now
your choice stay or go which will it be
and it was very strong and very definite
and I made the choice and came right
back in so yes we can for Mike's
perspective we can experience that in
any form that we need and that's the
beauty of it right you know we were
loved so much
we are loved so much that it's hard to
put it into words but we're supported in
whatever way that works best sometimes
it might not be easy you know sometimes
we might need a little bit of a boost or
a jolt to get us out of yeah our comfort
zone but we in the end you get what
exactly what we need in order to make
that shift now what about the concept of
hell did you have any revelation of that
there's because maybe that's you know
one of the big fears of people think
that they're gonna burn forever you know
it's overcoming and that's if we're if
we're talking about faith we're talking
about Christ or whatever like one of the
big things is conquering death and
taking away the sting of death in the
fear of death and one of the biggest
fears is either being punished for all
eternity because you don't add up or
being annihilated just not existing
anymore and not being able to be
conscious anymore what did you explore
that aspect at all I you know I didn't
directly what I was what was explained
to me is that we can certainly create a
Hell for ourselves here on earth pretty
easily so
one aspect of it there's another aspect
of it though that when we first cross
over went during the route the true
death of the body not not mine where
where we where everybody knew that I was
coming back here except me you know all
of my spiritual friends knew I was
coming back so that it's a little bit
different when you're truly dying when
your physical body is truly dying there
is a moment as as my spiritual guides
have told me where you have a choice you
can choose to go to the light or turn
away from it and it's that turning away
that is in my estimation maybe the hell
that a lot of people are afraid of but
the turning away is only for as long as
you wish to turn away you are accepted
back as soon as you embrace that divine
love the divine presence the divine
light there is no I hate you for all
eternity at least as far as I can see as
soon as you make the choice in here to
embrace that divine love the divine
being God you're accepted back in now
that doesn't mean everybody takes this
the wrong way at first it doesn't mean
that you're without consequence for your
actions so you may have to make amends
and likely you will have to make amends
for if you've done something really
horrible probably not many people out
there but if say for example you have
done something pretty heinous or you
think in your mind that it's pretty
heinous you do have to make amends for
that
that doesn't mean you burn in hell for
all eternity you might mean you have to
in some way act as a spiritual guide for
someone else you might know is what that
looks like for you but you do have to in
some way make up for that or or try to
make things right or pay back in some
way so it isn't without consequence your
actions are not without consequence but
you are loved
there is guy does not deny his love from
you we often deny our love from
God for a while like I did yeah you know
you turn away for a while and but guess
what
you know we're accepted back in when we
embrace it what about this notion of
past lives it was a notion that you can
come back even as a different person are
you ready to to reincarnate as something
or someone else is that even a thing of
past lives did you there was any
information like that that came through
what comes through it what I did ask
about that it is a thing for some people
and it's it's certainly a choice that's
available and what what I was told was
that a lot of beings choose not to have
a second time around some do you know
it's it depends on the that individual
soul and their connection to the divine
to God what would work best for that
person so it isn't from what I saw
anyway it isn't mandated like you must
return and do this and that it's more
like is this gonna be helpful for you
but there are a whole lot of other ways
you know to do work or to live in that
divine love you don't have to
necessarily be back here on in this
physical plane I have spoken with a
woman who remember several past lives
intimately and also when she acted as a
spiritual guide for someone else so you
you know the the individual soul has
many many many options available to it
you know in the in the spiritual realm
it isn't just physical life there's a
lot out there that we don't know about
and you know in an incredible amount of
diversity an incredible amount of
diversity in what we can do and becomes
our mind can't handle we have to have it
okay what is it
it's this it's that in this okay that's
it everything else is
not God or not possible because it
hasn't been revealed to them they
haven't been to those states or realms
of consciousness by whatever state I
mean you can get to very similar states
through certain meditation practices as
you have learned like if you want I mean
for me it was always a if you want to
continue communication if you want to go
further do this you know and and we can
do it we can go further and so it's ball
is in your court type deal but it's
always there you're not alone that's a
big - right bring in atheist I mean I'm
sure that idea is a very lonely road as
one that you know when you're alone
you're alone that was one thing that
changed for me when I came to faith was
the fact that I was always depressed and
by myself and loathing and stuff as a
teenager and but then when I came to
faith I was never alone again by myself
in a room I was always connected with
God with the angels with Jesus right the
Holy Spirit I was never by myself ever
again so there was never this if I felt
lonely I start fellowshiping with my
father with Jesus you know this type of
stuff so was that something that came to
you as well
you know atheist and not being a person
of faith yeah you know that it is a
lonely road because as you said when you
are alone and that's it you're sitting
here in your house all by yourself and
Wow
you know this is all there is to life
but I mean when I came back here and and
came into my full faith again and I say
again for a specific reason but when I
came back I understood with what they
had told me when I was dead and like you
said you can come to this understanding
in a lot of different raised ways there
are many many paths to God you know it's
not just the NDE or you know meditation
or whatever so this is just one pathway
to greater understanding but one of the
things that my my friends my spiritual
friends
my spiritual team told me is we you know
we're here for you a hundred percent of
the time all you need to do is call on
us we're here with you and what what
they also said is don't forget about us
because we like hearing from you so even
when I'm not in that state where I'm
I've raised my my where I've
intentionally raise my vibration up or
whatever raised my consciousness to be
able to have a real full-on
communication with them I still I know
they're here
I'd still greet them you know I talked
to God all the time you know people
might think I'm other people you know
atheists might think I'm nuts but I know
that it's heard I know that I'm part of
the communication all the time and it is
it is a very comforting thing for her
you know more probably one of the more
comforting things that I've experienced
going through this is knowing that my
deceased family and also my spiritual
friends are able to tap into me at
anytime and I can communicate with them
whenever I want that I'm not alone that
they're here with me
all the time there it like I said there
is no separation you don't have to walk
through 10 doors you know to be able to
hear you your spiritual guides they're
right here all the time you're quite the
artist as well you've got a lot of
beautiful art on your website and things
have you tried to bring that back
through the art is there I mean I'm sure
it's in a little bit of all of it it's
just that expression with this this new
life that you have but have you tried to
draw the angelic figure the woman tried
to embody that to show people what it
looked like or anything like that you
know I have in its in its in my in my
estimation kind of been a failure
because it's really hard for me to put
into paint that which is ethereal and
ritual I have tried and the best I can
do is to what I've been doing now with
art is to bring in different kinds of
paints so I bring in mineral like actual
gemstone paints they have a really high
energy and I also use paints that are
sparkly and it sounds kind of like I
don't know like a little girl or
something but that's kind of how I paint
now I paint with these really sparkly
glowing paint so that at least I bring
in aspects of that energy into my paint
and my paint technique is different
these days but but what I came back with
wasn't really so much a desire to paint
that which I experienced while dead it
was a desire to highlight the divine
here in this physical because there is
divine all around us we just oftentimes
turn a blind eye to it so I there's a
painting on my website of my art website
of a little girl with Down syndrome and
she's in this glowing golden background
and and I used a lot of gold paint and
sparkly paint in that but that came as a
result of somebody on social media
saying that people with disabilities
were ugly and I said no that's not true
there's divine in everyone and so I
began that was when I began to say I
said I set out to highlight the divinity
and everything even if it's a dog you
know or a horse or a person there's
divinity in the plants and that's what
my goal has been is to really highlight
that energy and divinity and all around
us here in this plane it's very
interesting how do you how do you feel
after creating now there's this weird
sensation that I get of well no matter
what it is right if we you know we hear
the scriptures that say that we're made
in the image of God who was a creator
himself right and so we're these little
creators
once you bring something to life I mean
you have the book we have this interview
that didn't exist until we put our minds
together and we did this interview had
this beautiful conversation or we're
having this conversation your artwork it
didn't exist until you maybe went into
the ether went into your mind or seen
the beauty of a plant that's just
something that's just ordinary and you'd
brought it to life and you embodied it
and now it exists here is there this
appreciation of I'm a little creator
that I have this really beautiful
feeling when I create stuff and I know
that I'm contributing something
beautiful to the world as a creator do
you feel that as well that connection
with your art and stuff I do and and it
isn't for me only the end product I
don't know about for you but when I am
actually in the act of creating I don't
even feel me anymore
for me on most days that I go to the
easel it is as if I'm in an all-day
meditation where I don't exist
it's just I'm just there as a as a way
for the brush to make its mark known on
the canvas and there's there is that
energy of creation kind of coming
through me almost without my input now
granted there is some of me you know
physically but there is a when I'm in
the act of creation it's almost like a
oneness with with the creation itself
with the bigger creation but then you
know when it's all done there is that
satisfaction of wow you know that like
you said this didn't exist before but
now I can also help you know I'm a
visual artist so for me help people see
the beauty in a different way in the
world around them because you know they
might not they might not see a dog
sitting on the back of a pickup truck is
all that beautiful when they're out you
know driving around but when an artist
paints it and does certain things with
it they that Peart that viewer can take
a step back and go wow I can appreciate
that now in a different way so that
really gives me satisfaction that people
maybe because of something they see of
mine appreciate the world around them a
little bit more I mean I certainly do
whenever I look at anything now it's
just beauty that's all I see is beauty
it doesn't matter what I look at it's
all defying beauty we got it all exactly
exactly that's what it's all about for
me is so whether I write a book or not
or for me it's mostly paint that's how I
express that beauty that comes through
me and it's me it's a it's a blessing
and it's an absolute divine blessing
that I have that capability to do that
what did you do before the first
accident what did you do for a living
I was a science writer I'd wrote
scientific and technical stuff for
various companies in the boulder area
you know mostly doing satellite type
exploration and so you know we could get
a satellite and the satellite would look
at the earth and you know look for
different minerals and stuff and and I
was the technical writer science writer
for those folks so change it changed it
you know a little bit you still right it
changed the trajectory of what I wanted
to write about it affect my brain
doesn't really work as efficiently in
that way anymore Minh who knows why but
but it doesn't I
I love the scientific method it's a
really great rational way to look at
things but it isn't the only way and
there is more to life than just science
there's more to this universe than just
a scientific viewpoint and I think
that's what that's what shifted for me
wasn't just the knowing that there's a
lot more out there than what I learned
about you at University and it's much
grander and more amazing that I could
have ever learned about in graduate
school there's this this idea that I've
kind of exploring a little bit where
they weren't talking about psychedelics
or maybe any type of near-death
experience this place where you go where
you see eternity you see what you you
you get up you get a better picture of
even this life and what matters the
stuff that I'm seeking the stuff that
I'm I've been working my whole life to
obtain it doesn't matter what matters is
Peace Love joy family making memories
helping people like those are the things
that you kind of bring back from that
realm and people have come back from you
know I'm saying the near-death
experience they've come back from the
psychedelic experience with this
profound beauty this new this kind of
like a they kind of know what they need
to do to fulfill their destiny you know
the whole you know time is short
God hey you need to are you gonna do it
or not we've given you the tools now
let's let's get with it
I deal so there's this passion you come
out with to be gung-ho and just grab the
world you know and do what you were
sitting here to do now that road can be
you know where that starts on how long
it takes or something where you have
that vision now that's the good thing
about the NDE the psychedelics or
whatever and so but some people if they
don't have the the pattern the mold they
don't have the direction on what to do
and they return to their mundane jobs
their boss is breathing down their neck
they need to perform faster they got a
meet quota they get back into the hustle
and bustle of capitalistic America and
it just sucks the life out of you right
and I'm only as good as what I can
produce and I'm only you know I'm making
minimum wage or whatever the case is and
I've seen eternity I've seen God I've
seen angels I hear their song I see
their colors they communicate with me
but now I'm back here in this mundane it
can if you don't do what useful
to do it can produce a depression within
you like me and I'm meant for so much
more but I'm spending 50 hours a week
bagging groceries and I'm supposed to be
painting I'm supposed to be singing I'm
supposed to be doing a podcast I'm
supposed to be writing a book I'm
supposed to be sharing my story if we
don't do it there's this weird
depression that comes in I think we're
supposed to I think that there's a place
you can go with a depression and that
fear of not fulfilling your destiny you
use status fuel you take that and say
okay I I know what I'm supposed to be
doing and I know what happens if I don't
do it I'm gonna be depressed I'm gonna
go to the grave feeling unfulfilled so
there's this game plan that you have to
kind of figure out of how to do it how
do I write a book how do I book my first
interview like you know what I'm saying
you've had this vision of what you're
supposed to do now have you does that
does that sound legit to you that it can
be taken birth depression if you don't
do what you're supposed to be doing you
know oh yeah in fact in let's see in the
NDE community that's really well known I
tracked I gave a talk at a national
convention about that because so many
people that have whether it's a you know
an NDE or any other type of spiritual
experience there is that really big risk
of coming back and being horribly
depressed and I was for about 18 months
and after mine I was not only physically
traumatized and that actually I healed
very quickly physically it was like you
said for me the being back here in this
mundane reality you know having to put
food on the table having to wash the
clothes and do this and do that what I
ended up first for me I went the route
of realizing what it was that I came
here to do
remembering that I had to let go I was
really angry at God for sending me back
I was so mad for so long but I didn't
know it was kind of at a almost a
subliminal level I didn't realize I was
carrying that anger
that why couldn't I just be dead you
know that's really what I wanted when I
finally let go it was like this epiphany
one day where I realized that was what
was going on because I had asked for
help from from God and my guides what is
going on I don't feel very good what's
you know I feel depressed and I had that
knowing all of a sudden that I'm angry
at being back here once I let go of that
then I was able to really get into the
determination of okay now I know what
I'm gonna what I need to do
I used that prior depression to really
fuel the work on my book yeah and for me
it was it was one I had to realize I
couldn't do everything all at once I had
to take it one step at a time so I did
one little thing at a time and didn't
didn't set necessarily a time limit like
one must write the book within six
months that wasn't what I did I just
knew I needed to take these baby steps
and it would get done so I started to
take the baby steps the second thing
that I realized I had to do was to rely
on other people
and it wasn't all about me I didn't have
to do everything by myself I could rely
on other people to help me even if it
was just to act as a sounding board you
know to someone I could go to and say
you know what sometimes being here
stinks and here's why and yeah sometimes
you just need someone who can listen and
hear you and just say okay I got it
but I also learned and it was writing a
book anyway that I had people I could
rely on I had a really good friend who I
didn't even know that she edited books
for part of the time I mean she was a
technical writer at work we often work
together I had no idea on the side she
had this entire other business of
editing spiritual books for people I had
no clue until we talked about this after
you know I started writing my book and
so she was my book coach
if she wouldn't have been able to help
me if I didn't know about her and
thought I would have had done everything
by myself I don't know that the book
would have gotten written so it's
learning how you can for me anyway it
was learning how I can pull in other
people you know true it to help me out
even if it was just a little bit and and
really just chunking down the work
especially if you are working you know
50 or 60 hour a week which is you know
you might have to make some pretty tough
decisions like you know do I need to
switch jobs do I need to go part-time I
can't make those decisions for anybody
but those are some tough soft decisions
that people may need to look at you know
do I really need to live in a 2500
square foot house and pay for all that
stuff you know can I can I downsize a
little bit which would then free up some
more money so I wouldn't have to work 60
hours a week I I don't know what those
decisions look like for people but we
can easily as humans get ourselves stuck
in a job or in a lifestyle that really
doesn't suit the person who we really
are our inner truth so the first thing
is knowing what that truth is are you a
musician are you an artist you want to
write it science fiction novel you know
if that's your truth then begin to chunk
away at ways that you can achieve that
you know writing a book is achievable
like I would have never thought I could
write a book marketing a book that's
something to you know yeah I mean that's
where that's where PR people come in you
know I realized I tried doing it on my
own for a long time yeah I stink at it
it is hard it is for some people it's
hard for some people it's super easy you
know I work and in business throughout
my business career even in the
government there are PR people there are
people who do that for a living
who are wonderful at it so it's it helps
just to hire them for a couple hours a
week for help even if it's just a
consult I don't think in that way and
that that's just I'm a creator I'm not a
marketer I I'm just I just give it out
you know it's up to my the people who
help me to find that the venues for what
I do what I you know my speaking venues
or these venues but but each person has
gifts and abilities that they bring to
this planet and I one of my friends is
an incredible incredible PR person
that's the gift of love that in light
that she brings to this planet she does
it exclusively for people who write and
speak and on spiritual topics and that's
her gift to this planet is bringing
those voices to the wider world
she doesn't have to necessarily create a
painting her creation is bringing these
voices out to the world
that's good let me ask you this about
this is the question we had in the chat
and if anybody has any questions go
ahead and type them and I'll try to
translate them across to my friend here
um Sarah wants to know I'm sure you've
you've probably heard this too
especially being in that field and going
to lectures where everybody has a
different you know view of it or
whatever the case is and I've heard this
too going into the light can be a trick
like don't like that's the trick the
title like hey come here like you're not
supposed to do that is what some some
people have tried to promote and say
almost like a doctrine hey this is the
trick they trying to trap you or
whatever I don't there's all kinds of
weird stuff that goes along with it but
have you heard that that going into the
light was a trick and what was did you
go to the light I mean how did that does
that well I just woke up in it so I
didn't have the choice to make but there
are a couple of thoughts there
first of all it isn't just the light
it's the love you can feel that love it
isn't just this bright light there's a
love and a peace and a presence that
goes with it so it's all of that
together the other piece of that is the
the furthest back that I can trace that
whole myth about the the light trap goes
to a an episode of Star Trek believe it
or not I can't trace that myth back any
further maybe it does go back further
than that but it was an episode I think
on Star Trek Voyager or something I
don't know 10 or 15 years ago so be
cautious about I can urge people to do
is be cautious about stuff like that
that you hear because you never know
where that one of those stories are
coming from if you need to trace it back
I mean that's truly the furthest back
that I can trace the myth of the soul
trap of the light is is an episode on on
Star Trek Voyager so just be cautious
about what you hear and you let me tell
you that when you die you'll know there
isn't there isn't a question you'll feel
the pull to the love and that's what I
would recommend is just going with the
love that feeling of love and joy and
peace not necessarily what's going on
out here and in what's left of your
human perception go into the heart go
into the love you know go into follow
the lot follow the peace that's that's
the truth and that's something that
you've brought with you to this side of
eternity as well right you can kind of
discern the love or this is this is
tainted this is got an ulterior motive
by the what we were called discernment
of spirits if you will you're able to
discern the intentions it's not just
about what you hear who's a elegant
speaker who what looks like love you're
kind of able to kind of discern what it
really is you know I'm saying about the
feeling of vibration of it right yeah
yeah it's it's interesting for me now to
go to conferences the spiritual
consciousness
because I can pick out so be careful if
you're ever around me because I can tell
if you're struggling with with love or
with what you what you're projecting I
mean I've I I can always tell when
someone's faking their spirituality it's
so plain as day
the waters are muddy it might be harder
for other people to notice that but yeah
for anyone like us who has touched on
that and we're still we still have the
practice the daily practice of working
with that on a daily basis I can tell
immediately if the feeling I can also
feel if if someone is intending to live
in that love but there's some cloud of
discord around them that is kind of
clogging it up do you take on personal
clients to help them with that or is it
something that you just kind of use
through your art through your book and I
know you're helping people in that means
do you do one-on-one sessions or
anything with people like that now that
you're more connected I don't I had done
some spiritual what I called Blake
spiritual not really counseling but just
spiritual sessions with people what I'm
moving into and they'll be rolling out
in the next month or so is really some
energy work around that so instead of
like verbally coaching people
spiritually instead what I'll be doing
is offering energy sessions to kind of
help clear that stuff out on a
one-on-one basis that to me feels more
of my truth I'm not a I'm not a talker
really I'm not a counselor so getting
into like spiritual coaching didn't feel
quite right but for me helping you move
my energy and and channeling maybe a
higher energy through me I've been
working on my sister and some friends
and it's been working very well so I'm
gonna roll that out in the next month or
so so stay tuned more on that
it's good stuff well man I know you go
into a lot more detail in the book and
it's a beautiful story and if people
want to check it out then go to your
website your main website is just Nancy
Ron's comm correct correct in ANC y ry n
es you could check out her beautiful art
and her book so you have two two
different books I do the main book that
details my experience is called
awakenings from the light and then I
have a secondary book which kind of
contains a lot of little bits of wisdom
that I for one reason or another didn't
put in awakenings and that one's called
messages from heaven and that those are
things that I was told during my NDE
little bits of wisdom that people can
use as a contemplative tool I use it as
is like I read a passage and then just
spend 10 15 minutes contemplating it so
for me it's more of a meditative tool
awesome yeah you got a really beautiful
website um let me ask you this how was
this said I know you're talking about
going to conferences and you're able to
pick up on energies and being able to
tell and is you have some characters out
there whether there's the speaker or
whether they're helping with production
you've been on a lot of big television
sets sharing your story that Today Show
NBC there's a whole bunch of them but it
was yeah but have you been have you felt
that weird I don't believe you feel you
can feel that stuff too right even if
they don't say these you're sharing your
story they're like you know that they
don't
it gets kind of weird once you
transitioning huh and that could be
overwhelming right you're telling
someone your story but you know what
they're thinking a lot of weird energy
thing that you have to kind of learn how
to discern there was that was that a
hard transition at all being able to
share your story in front of people
because I know you're sensitive to
energy and stuff
yeah it was it's not so much anymore but
but it is true I can feel it when
someone's not when they're like and I
almost hear their thoughts I can't but I
can almost hear what's what's going on
in their brains but
you know like for example megyn kelly
mm-hmm whatever's going on with her or
whatever she was totally into what I was
talking about she was in her heart you
know it was it was a heart to hurt
conversation so that was not there was
nothing clouding that however some of
her staff we were not very believing of
me or or dr. Parr Nia or Sheree on the
program so I can feel that the transit
that first the transition to that was
hard because I wanted I was in that
place of love and light and I just want
everybody to love me right but then I
had a real it took me another maybe a
couple of years to understand and to
learn how to just let that stuff roll
off my back it's still not always easy
if there's a vicious personal attack
mostly because I don't want my family to
be affected by all that I mean I can
take it but I don't want those people
closest to me to be affected by it but I
also understand I think more now that
people are at different places you know
and people come here for different
reasons and some will never in this
lifetime be in a place where they can
embrace God or any kind of divinity and
that's okay that may be why they came
here is to experience that so it isn't I
you know it's not up to me to judge any
of that stuff it's just up to me to
learn how to be true in who I am and
what I'm saying and knowing that what I
say is truth I don't lie about what
would I experience if ice if I don't
know something I don't invent anything I
just say yeah I have no idea like
someone once asked me who made God I'm
like I don't know you know everything
who made God the Big Bang come from
scientists don't don't invent some stuff
but they really don't know that answer
either yeah I know that's the ones you
got to watch out for the ones who know
everything and they just make it up as
they go they have an
answer for everything okay let me ask
you this though has it gotten has
anything gotten weird for you yet as far
as like cuz you're getting out there
you've been on a lot of big platforms
your name's getting out there has there
been any this kind of comes with the
territory I've had to deal with stalkers
there being any people who were
adamantly against you or trying to
debunk your story personally have you
had any have you ran into any of that
yet
a little bit I'm certainly not not
anybody physically stalking nothing like
that but there are you know the
skeptical elements out there the trolls
- I mean there's a negative things just
to be negative but you know I I've had
what I've done is I've realized that
I've if what I say tweaks people that
much then I'm doing my job
instead of whining you know everybody to
be love and light which I do I know that
for some people to get to that love and
light I have to push their buttons and I
don't do it intentionally but whatever I
say may tweak something in them and they
react because there's a fear or there's
some stuff going on in their minds about
what happened in the past if if what I
say tweaks them enough to have them
react in anger then that means I'm
having some kind of an impact I'm
bringing something into their
consciousness they may not actually be
able to deal with that for five or ten
years I don't know maybe never but what
if what I say makes some kind of an
impact on someone that I'm doing my job
mm-hmm that's how I've come to look at
it the trolls are trolls they will
always be there always be trolls I just
ignore it yeah they're definitely out
there and yeah so again thank you for
coming on the podcast I really enjoyed
this conversation so everybody make sure
y'all go to her website Nancy rinds
and watch the interview that she had
with megyn kelly it's a really
professional piece that was done and she
got to share her story on that stage and
many other platforms that you had you've
been able to share your story on as well
it's a good stuff so Nancy Reince comm
Nancy is there any anything else that
you wanted to talk about or maybe plug
or anything before we get off of here I
just want to wish everybody a beautiful
beautiful 2019 and remember always just
to live the truth that you feel inside
for yourself I mean that's that's the
beautiful gift that each one of you are
that gut feeling everybody can tap into
it the god feeling the God feeling
exactly I Nancy thank you so much I
really enjoyed this we have to do it
again thank you
god bless Nancy Ryan's ladies and
gentlemen beautiful story and I know she
had more to the story you guys have to
get get the the book to finish it but uh
she's got a lot of really cool stuff and
again her interviews are really
beautiful to to listen to as well
near-death experiences the NDE
out-of-body experiences it's kind of the
weird by location or dual consciousness
to be conscious of your body and in
conscious that you're out of your body
at the same time very interesting
concept the I think the you know the
Mary figure is very interesting as well
how God or the divine just kind of shows
up in that personification that that you
can handle that you need you know
there's been a lot of people who've
talked about that Jordan Maxwell has
talked about it a lot of philosophers
who talk about these these angelic
entities or these ETS are able to show
up in a form that won't scare you
something you can handle and if you
could see them and the way they looked
at it may freak you out and seeing what
reality really looks like and the beings
that hold this stuff together it's could
be overwhelming but uh it shows up in a
way that we can
and and not get freaked out and try to
apply the principles to our lives it's
really good stuff so with that being
said I hope you guys had everyone had a
Merry Christmas hope you guys have
amazing New Year that stuff you've been
planning on doing it now it's a good
time to start you've been planning on
starting something you have a passion
you have something that you're wanting
to see ste come to pass come into
fruition whatever it is like I said the
you want to do a podcast you want to do
music whatever it is that you want to do
do it go ahead and start today plant
something put something in the ground or
you already put something in the ground
water it cultivate the land a little bit
do something today that you want to
manifest for tomorrow if you don't put
nothing in the ground nothing's gonna
manifest for you
shout out to my good friend John
Santiago who's in the chat listening I
only listened to a few podcasts and the
one one of the ones I listened to was to
John Santiago John Santiago raw so I got
as this shirt here and it's probably
backward on the screen if you're looking
at it but it's a beautiful shirt make
sure you guys check out his podcast as
well typing John Santiago raw and you'll
be able to check that out so I listen to
his podcast I listen to Michael Bastian
I listen to adam starseed Bay all people
that affiliate with and listen to
Christie leaves podcast I'm actually on
that one every Wednesday night so yeah
man beautiful stuff moving forward you
got to do something don't get
discouraged man don't get depressed it
can you know when things aren't
happening fast enough you got to do
something
you know I'm approaching or if not at
200 episodes you know and the first ones
were done years ago
you know 2012 you know it took me a long
time to get there then a long time to
find consistency with it right to keep
it going but when you have that vision
man write it down make it plain that's
what I'm that's what I'm doing I've got
I got my vision board I got what I want
to happen 2019 is it's going to be
beautiful used today you
these next few days these next few weeks
reflecting get a vision of what you want
to come to pass in 2019 learn from your
mistakes what didn't work what blew up
in your face what do you want to do
better what do you want to what are you
doing that's working find out something
that is working okay when I do this
people pay attention when I do this I
see results stick with that consistency
don't have all of these different ideas
and just attacking them all cuz you're
just going to be a jack of all trades
and a master of none find something that
you do really good find something that
makes your heart race when you do it
find something that you love to create
and bring it into fruition 2019 man the
ball is in your court man beyond your
wildest dreams
there's there's this whatever you want
to create I'm stepping into some new
things my goddddd meditations or man so
beautiful I'm just honored to be a part
of that of bringing that out of
channeling that information of hearing
the father's heart and putting codes and
modalities within that and people having
encountered through those meditations
it's beautiful that's just the beginning
I have a lot more and plan for those if
you guys want to check that out go to my
website truth seeker com those
meditations are available and there's
gonna be a lot more coming out excited
and I new album is out January the 1st I
got a new 7th song EP that just came out
most likely we're gonna be doing one
right after it as well so there's gonna
be a follow up that's already started on
so that's coming a lot of cool stuff man
2019 the ball is in your court
much love to everybody who has been
supporting and and who's continued to
support you guys rock it's good stuff
one thing I wanted to kind of talk about
it's kind of something interesting that
I watched and I wanted to be careful in
promoting this just because it's very
deep but there's a there's a show on
Netflix that the show black mirror will
they just put out a episode
that you get to pick the choices
throughout the the show you get to pick
what music they listen to and you get to
pick what cereal the guy eats and it's a
movie and you select as you go through
it and you get to pick the choices um
it's it's really good it's really deep
it can mess with your head if you're you
know if you have mmm
I don't want to say it but I have a lot
of people who who have hit me up over
the years who I think it would mess with
them right maybe that's the best
television maybe that's the best movie
it's the one that makes you think the
one that makes you go within and
question your life like we were just
talking about last night which I've
talked about on here before this show
hunting at Hill House which is something
that it's about death I mean the whole
and I couldn't help but thinking about
death and and and reliving it and it's a
kind of a grim view of it for the most
part it's a very sad story but it uh it
makes you go within it makes you
question your path or your trajectory
what are you doing are you wasting time
those type of things and so that's the
best art I mean even I guess what I
bring to the table with my music is to
help you get a view of eternity to get
to have a view of the angelic of the The
Sixth Sense tapping into your ESP and
talking about angelic encounters in you
know supernatural abilities and all of
that kind of stuff within my music and
it and that kind of stuff sparks
something within people and takes them
on this journey right and so that's the
best kind of art even like Nancy was
talking about her art she's even using
like minerals and things that you'd be
able to feel the vibration in her
paintings bringing it to life and it
just being a mirror into eternity I
don't have it with me right now but um
my good friend from seeing beyond the
veil art just sent me another piece in
it's this beautiful picture that she did
for me which is a bunch of sacred
geometry
a tree and it's beautiful I posted it on
my Instagram and Facebook and stuff so
if y'all want to check it out go look go
look at that but it's it's having art
that is like a portal to the divine
right like you're looking at something
and it reminds you these sacred geometry
symbols like those are things that they
exist as portals music stories books I
got this beautiful book here from my
guests I had on a couple weeks ago
Chantel Renee sent me her book aligning
with the divine great great episode
great book it's these things that you
create like how long does it take to
create something like that right it's a
dedication you have to have consistency
you have to show up you have to be
present whatever rituals you have
whatever you that uh you know if you
want something you got to spend time
with it you got to believe in it you got
to believe in yourself you leave it up
to other people I don't know that's not
really good but you have to find you a
team you have to find you people who are
good at what you suck at or somehow
writing a book everyone can write a book
yeah but not everybody can market a book
find you someone who can book you
interviews get you on podcasts get you
out there in front of other people you
know what I'm saying and so I I love
doing other other shows I love being
interviewed I love talking about
spirituality in my path and things like
that you know I go into I mean you'll go
on other shows and they'll be able to
tap in and ask you questions that you
don't think of you know I'm saying
people have genuine questions and I love
I love doing that and maybe even tap
insist some things on other people shows
that I wouldn't normally talk about on
my on my podcast you know finding those
things and in those areas that you
thrive something I love to do do more of
that do more of the stuff that you love
to do and especially if it's things that
bring joy peace understanding harmony
faith in God if you're doing that stuff
and you can do it for a living
what's stopping you
20:19 is here embrace it it's all on you
I'm excited for this year so so much man
just into 2018 with the bang was a
beautiful year we got a lot accomplished
I can look back over my music my
episodes of the podcast and I've had
talked to some beautiful Souls I've
created some beautiful things that will
hopefully outlive me right you know what
I'm saying it's something that you've
created that didn't exist until you
breathed the breath of life into it
good stuff 20:19 is here let's do it I'm
planning on doing some some some live
events
hopefully I've even been toying with the
idea of putting together a conference
here in my home state Mobile Alabama
putting together my own conference
getting some people down here to speak
and doing that so yeah make sure you
guys subscribe to the YouTube channel
make sure I have your email address on
the website go there and sign up for my
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with everything that we're doing if you
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I'd love to come on and be a guest
whoever you are no matter how big or how
small it is I'd love to come out there
and and do some some stuff with you so
make sure you send me an email if you
want to do that in 2019 is here again
thank you guys for the support the
patreon all the music is there cool
stuff a bunch of new stuff coming with
that I am going to say peace and Shalom
I'm booked up on these podcasts until
the end of February almost so we're
making moves Making Strides love y'all
we'll do it again peace and Shalom
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