Consciousness Creates All Material Reality | Mark Gober

Consciousness Creates All Material Reality | Mark Gober
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Marc
Gober Marc welcome to the podcast
brother how are you I'm well thanks so
much for having me oh man thank you for
coming on so we're gonna be talking
about consciousness what what is it and
I've listened to some of your past
episodes especially the one with our
mutual friend it was really good so I
kind of I kind of got some ideas about
some things I want to ask you and about
death consciousness life you know all of
these things kind of work together so
we're gonna get into some good
discussion about your new book so if you
want to I guess a good place to start
would be just to kind of give the people
a little bit of background about you
your work and what you bring to the
table we'll start there yeah that sounds
good so as you mentioned I have a recent
book that came out in October it's
called an end to upside-down thinking
and the subtitle is dispelling the myth
that the brain produces consciousness
and the implications for everyday life
and we'll talk about the details of the
book soon but when I tell people about
my book I'm usually asked what I do and
whether I work in science or philosophy
or something like that and people are
often surprised to hear that I actually
work in business so I'm a partner at a
firm in Silicon Valley called Sherpa
technology group we advise technology
businesses on their strategy prior to
that I worked in Investment Banking with
UBS in New York one of the large global
investment banks I was actually there
during the financial crisis so from 2008
to 2010 is when I was in New York
working with many of the very companies
that were having financial struggles we
were advising them so that was an
interesting period and prior to that I
graduated from Princeton University
where I was captain in the tennis team
so most of my life has been focused on
athletics and business and it's only
been within the last two years or so
that I became really interested in
consciousness
it wasn't a planned thing it was I heard
some podcasts two years ago that really
piqued my interest a bit and then I
started to look into it a bit more and I
heard about things that just didn't
really make sense according to the
mainstream views saw that there was some
science that backed it and a lot of
science like from the US government from
Princeton from University of Virginia
and it really shifted my worldview 180
degrees so after researching for a full
year I decided to put my thoughts on
paper into a book prior to that I had no
plans on writing a book it was all just
personal interest because I wanted to
know and that's the book that is now out
so whenever we hear the term
consciousness a lot of different people
obviously say a lot of different things
what it is where it comes from things
like that I just put out a lot of videos
about Christ consciousness right so it's
kind of a buzzword in this spiritual and
in the philosophical communities
consciousness what is it so from from
your perspective what is consciousness
that term in general so I think we try
to use human language to define
something that might actually not have
limits to it so there's the minute we
use language we are limiting something
that's not limited so I'll give that
caveat but the way I think about
consciousness from a just a day to day
everyday experience perspective is that
you and I are having a conversation
right now we're both aware your
listeners they're aware right now what
is that awareness it's a subjective
inner experience so when you say I am
speaking that I that identity that's
what I mean by consciousness so it's is
it similar to the soul or the spirit of
a person the you that behind the glasses
or whatever or behind eyelids yes I
typically don't use the word soul
because people have different
definitions for it but the way I think
about it and people can relate it to
their own definitions if they want but
it's it's the experiencer of my life
like that which is witnessing my life
that is always there experiencing it
that's my consciousness and it's kind of
this intangible thing that's always
there witnessing and it's kind of
untouched by whatever happens in the
world but it is there experiencing the
life of Mark for example that make sense
yeah we were talking about just just the
other other day in our school as a
mystic sessions this this weird deja vu
moments where I used to kind of be like
on autopilot at work and I'm carrying
car parts into a business and bringing
them their stuff and signing paperwork
and getting my truck and going on their
route and then there's this weird weird
feeling that you get is like you're kind
of experiencing it backwards like it's
almost like the body is on autopilot
like what am I doing here lifting these
things and how did I sign up for this
and it only lasts for a few seconds or a
minute but you're like what am i doing
and how did I get here maybe similar to
you know when you had that commute to
and from work that you know seven miles
have passed
you've just been somewhere else and your
body kind of takes over is that is that
our consciousness becoming aware of
itself what is that phenomenon and how
does that relate to consciousness it's a
really important one I we're kind of
skipping to the end of the conclusions
that I end up getting to and I have a
feeling we have similar perspectives but
it's when we think about our
consciousness as our identity like that
sense of being and kind of witnessing
our the life of our body it's a it's a
recontextualizing of what we're kind of
taught we're taught that we are a body
and that our consciousness comes out of
our body through a brain it's just a
bunch of chemicals and your
consciousness comes out but what you are
just describing what I think is more
likely the case is that our
consciousness is our identity and that
our body is that which is experienced by
consciousness so when you think when you
were in that state of mind you were kind
of experiencing that firsthand where the
body was within your own consciousness
and you were really I sound like you're
identifying with your true identity as
consciousness rather than as the body I
know it would just open up for more
questions and we just we're just gonna
dig deep I guess but um is that singular
is there a collective consciousness is
it mi the individual experiencing itself
the way I think about it is
that there is one big consciousness that
is the basis of all physical reality and
that each of us is an expression of that
one consciousness yeah so for example
the famous physicist Erwin Schrodinger
he's famous for Schrodinger's cat in
quantum physics he said in truth there
is only one mind and that's the same
notion that there is it there's kind of
one consciousness that we are
experiencing through a - through
different bodies so each body is like
the lens of experience and there's an
analogy I like from dr. bernardo castro
who is a philosopher in this area and he
he says imagine that reality is like a
stream of water where water represents
consciousness so consciousness is in
this big kind of infinite stream and
each of us as an individual we're like
whirlpools within that stream meaning
that we're made of water were made of
consciousness but we have an individual
localized experience so it seems like
there's only my mind in your mind but at
the core level we're connected at the
level of our overall consciousness of
the broader stream we get into a lot of
spirituality spiritual talk we talk
about discerning spirits and being able
to walk in empathy being able to feel
what other people are going to through
being intuitive and things like that and
it would make sense if we are all
connected this way through consciousness
if we're all Justice what we like to say
you know I'm saying God experiencing
itself through appearances that people
are having if we are there with that
yeah totally and a lot of my book is is
looking at the science that shows that
those effects are real yeah and there's
a phenomenon in quantum physics which is
a really important one it's it's one
that we don't see with our eyes on a
day-to-day basis but it's been proven
for years and years so it's known as
entanglement which is the idea that when
you have two particles these are like
physical things ones here one's really
far away somewhere yeah when you affect
one the other one that's far away is
affected at the exact same instance
there's a correlated change one is
mirroring the other and there's no time
lag so that is suggesting that there's
some kind of interconnectedness between
at least our physical reality and these
are things that are
mind blowing because our mind our
limited human brain can only like kind
of conceptualize so much and even Albert
Einstein had a hard time with this
he called it spooky action at a distance
because there was this instantaneous
thing going on whereas he thought the
speed of light which is really fast but
not instantaneous he thought that was
the fastest that anything can go so he
tried to disprove it and ended up only
further proving that it's real so we
have this underlying entanglement in our
reality and there have been many
scientists like dr. Dean Radin at the
Institute of noetic Sciences he wrote a
whole book called entangled Minds which
gets to your very point of is there
something connecting all of us when we
feel an intuition about a loved one from
far away and we know something's going
on we all kind of had these experiences
sometimes and there might be science to
back it up I dealing with it with the
consciousness what happens when or what
you think happens when our life is is
over here on the earth and we're not
conscious of this realm anymore
the way that we see it now you don't
saying the way we know it now yeah well
I think the best evidence we have for
what what happens and maybe those other
realms is from the near-death experience
phenomenon and this is something that I
before getting into my research I would
have said well isn't the near-death
experience just a hallucination that the
brain creates because before you're
about to die your brain releases
chemicals and you kind of hallucinate to
make yourself feel better before you die
yeah that's what I would have thought
but when I got into the actual science
of it there's it's these experiences of
people till they talk about
unconditional love they talk about
hovering over their body so their
consciousness is like not even in their
body and they're seeing things in the
room that we're later verified as being
accurate people talk about having a life
review where they're reviewing their
whole life and judging themselves for
how they treated people and in some
cases they experience that life review
through the eyes of the people that they
affected during their life and they're
feeling the feelings that they caused
for those people so these are the things
that are happening in this other realm
or maybe other dimensions or something
and then they typically come back in
their bodies
we're cutoff as to what we can see but
for me the reason I think that those are
real things and not hallucinations is
that these experiences are occurring
sometimes in people who have such
extreme physiological trauma like
they're in cardiac arrest
there's no blood flowing to their brain
their heart stopped and yet they're
having these lucid experiences where
they're hovering over their body and
they see things in the room that are
later verified as being accurate and
there are a number of scientists who
have studied this for example
cardiologist dr. PIM van Lommel he has a
famous article in The Lancet Journal for
your listeners who are interested in
that you can google it The Lancet dr.
PIM van Lommel another one dr. Sam par
Nia in 2014 had an article in
resuscitation journal where he talked
about one of these people who had
cardiac arrest and yet remembered things
in the room that were time-stamped at
the time when his brain was off so again
that these things suggest to me that the
consciousness is not tied to the body
and what happens to us after we die we
have these little hints about what
happened soon after death but beyond
that it becomes really an inference yeah
with consciousness not being a part of
the brain right and almost like the
brain is kind of like just how we
interpret these you know I'm saying this
experience here on earth it kind of
messes with me a little bit to think
about deep right these little things you
know I'm saying that that kind of they
kind of hang you up but it kind of
messed with me a little bit to think
about dementia and Alzheimer's right if
consciousness is not dealing with the
brain and what we've experienced what we
can communicate and stuff it just seems
kind of weird to feel like that
consciousness is dimmed or can't express
itself the way it wants to almost like
the person is fully aware or maybe the
body or brain is not letting them be
aware and and it's just this weird thing
to think that when you pass that person
who has Alzheimer's or dementia or
they're not really there anymore
that death is in it almost like an
escape or release that oh now I can
express myself in this other realm or
other reality you know what I'm saying
it's almost like that light has been
dimmed but death is gonna be a like a
release to experience it so to kind of
you know I'm saying link the two there
for me it's hard to unlink them that
consciousness has to deal with the brain
and when the brain gets damaged and we
go through things and then it's over
versus like there's gonna be something
totally new once you you know crossover
or whatever the case is does that make
sense at all yeah I'm glad there are a
few points that you race that are really
important one is is the connection
between the brain and consciousness it's
important that we establish that I'm not
arguing that the brain has nothing to do
with our conscious experience and that's
not what many of these scientists are
arguing either what what the argument is
is that the brain is more like an
antenna it's a very broad metaphor so
when the antenna is broken or the
antenna is damaged or its reconfigured
than the conscious experience that the
person has is going to be different it's
like the signal the consciousness itself
is untouched but the lens of experience
has changed so when you have someone
with Alzheimer's or some or brain damage
they're going to have a different
experience but their consciousness
itself has not been altered and to your
point about well what happens when the
body dies and the consciousness is sort
of let free this is what people talk
about in their near-death experience is
that their body is almost a limiter it's
like a filtering mechanism and when
they're out of their body their
consciousness is more free to act it's
if they talk about it as being a
liberating experience that's d-man
because you're talking about the brain
being an antenna so where is this
consciousness is it in the body is it in
the brain is it in the third eye like
where is the consciousness because
there's all of these these deep theories
from different religions Christianity
touches on it a little bit the Greeks
talked about it but they talked their
description about Buddha says we're
seated in heavenly places with Christ
right and it's almost like there's this
avatar state in these higher realms
these higher dimensions the Greeks
believed that we were with the planets
and things like that and you're talking
about that consciousness being beamed
down almost into the body you have the
term of the higher self like that like
it resides somewhere else the brain
being an antenna where is the
consciousness or where is the the spirit
is it in this meatsuit or is it
somewhere else and we're like animating
it almost like the matrix or something
you know it's a good question but the
way I think about is a consciousness
that everything is consciousness the
entire physical realm is an experience
within this one mind consciousness and
even max plunk the famous physicists
Nobel Prize winner he said I regard
consciousness as fundamental and I
regard matter as derivative from
consciousness in other words this is
whole physical world is like an
emergence within consciousness so where
do I think consciousness is I think it's
everywhere and everything but then
another question that you're alluding to
is well how is the body interacting with
this that is a really good question and
I don't think it's well understood yet
because most scientists are thinking
about the brain as being the producer of
consciousness they're not yet looking at
it most of them as the receiver or the
filter so we don't fully know exactly
what the relationship is but I want to
give a few examples to that might that
might give hints
one is with organ transplant donations
we find that when people take an organ
from somebody else that they end up
sometimes taking on the person's
memories and even personality traits
yeah right so it's like well I mean if
that's the case then is all of our
consciousness just in our brain even if
our brains the receiver so I'll give an
example that I talked about in my book
it's from a book called the Hearts code
by Paul Pierce all where a little girl I
don't think she's named in the book but
we'll call her Sarah she got the heart
from another girl named Jane okay and
then Sarah starts having nightmares at
night where she feels like she's being
murdered by somebody and her mother
takes her to a psychiatrist they find
out that the heart that she got was from
a little girl from Jane who had been
murdered so Sarah is having nightmares
and she's having very vivid descriptions
and her psychiatrist says well why don't
you just start
tell me about this person that murdered
that you're having dreams about and
ultimately the description was so
detailed that they were able to give the
descriptions to detectives and they
found the person that murdered Jane the
one who originally had the heart that's
been pretty miraculous that's net
memories like that could potentially be
transferred through another organ number
one and it's also not the brain so we're
raises questions what else in our body
is kind of picking up as an antenna for
our consciousness and for our memories
and emotions there's a scripture in the
Bible that talks about like if we if we
believe in our hearts or in our minds
mind's eye for any we confess with our
mouth it's like believing it's like
bringing that awareness to like this now
moment we look at Eckhart Tolle who's
like a millionaire off of teaching
people to bring their conscious
awareness to this moment right now that
there is no past present future like
everything is in the now moment it's all
we have that's all we ever will have and
there's so much power in that with
planning creating a life that you want
for yourself your goals your future your
I'm to actually write them down and
things like that to bring that conscious
awareness to the now moment and I find a
lot of power in that is are you touching
on things like that because we're
talking about the consciousness the
awareness and then the title of your
book is talking about thinking so
thinking has to come and play it's not
just about this you know crazy spiritual
consciousness awareness stuff but about
using your brain and come into that now
moment I'm saying for me that's there's
so much power we look at as far as
meditation and all of the things with
that and how that's used in a positive
way to set goals for yourself and stuff
so what does it come in like the
thoughts that we're thinking the things
that we're entertaining into your
conscious awareness were like where's
the power in that with changing our life
or whatever yeah well you raised a
question about time at the core and then
that's an issue that I get into and as I
mentioned I think about consciousness as
being the basis of the physical reality
and even further than that consciousness
is beyond all space and time so the way
that we perceive time as a linear thing
there was a path there's a present
there's a future
this is a really important topic and
this is what I think Eckhart is is
getting at is there first of all we
cannot prove that there is a past so if
I think about something that happened
five minutes ago that is a memory that
occurs right now anything that happened
in the past allegedly is an inference
based on my memory that is occurring
right now so the entire past that I
could ever think of is occurring now in
my mind and the same goes to the future
any future event that's hypothetical
it's a thought that occurs right now so
just conceptually time is maybe not what
it appears to be we interpret things as
being sequential that's an
interpretation that it's so ingrained in
society that it's past present future
but when we look at things like physics
again Albert Einstein relativity this is
very well proven time goes faster or
slower depending on how fast you're
moving and we don't experience it on a
day-to-day basis because we're all
moving at roughly the same speeds but
when you start moving really really fast
in the galaxies time slows down relative
to other people who are stationary so at
the very least time is not fixed it's
relative depending on your speed so
that's a big deal because that's not
that's a totally counterintuitive and it
suggests that maybe it's not what we
think it is further than that I talked
about a phenomenon in my book called
precognition which is where we know the
future before the future happens and
actually some studies have been done and
these have been done by many credible
people like dr. Daryl BEM from Cornell
University and a bunch of other
scientists where the body is reacting to
a picture that randomly comes up on a
computer screen seconds before the
picture is shown and no the person
doesn't even know what kind of picture
it's going to be sometimes it's in a
rousing picture like a violent image or
something that's erotic sometimes it's
like a mountain or something peaceful
and yet the body is responding in a
corresponding direction before the
picture is shown so it's as if the
future is impacting our past it's a
retro causality which totally is
mind-blowing if that's a real thing if
that's what the statistics seem to
continue showing so this is all tier and
original point about what is the now
what's the power and the now I think we
it
can be very helpful to appreciate what
you said which is that all that is
really occurring is this very instant
and to get into that rather than letting
our thoughts go too much into the past
and too much into the future that can be
the key to being present and to probably
living a happier and more peaceful life
yeah now that we know that or we can
live our life like that's true right if
I mean it's a good place to start
something to try how do we bring that
stuff into the now moment are there
meditation techniques - have you
experienced this with your own life
being successful things like that
creating your book you know what I'm
saying was there any of that stuff I'm
sure as you were you know say
researching that stuff they were maybe
some techniques mindfulness things like
that that you could apply to your life
to create the life that you want for
yourself does that come into play with
your thinking awareness consciousness
and things like that
yeah totally totally I've come across a
lot of methods and for for everyone I
think it's different some people I've
just had different preferences for what
works for them so really it's whatever
works for you for me what is always
helpful is to kind of come back to this
reality that I've now come to appreciate
which is that my identity is not tied to
my physical body rather it is the
witness of my experience so sometimes if
I'll get stressed about something I'll
snap out of it and say wait I'm the
witness to this experience
yeah and that that's itself from the
from the whole situation like hold on
yeah I'm not doing it no more
yeah right right I'm experiencing it but
I'm the untouched witness by that so
that isn't a form of presence the minute
you do that I mean Eckhart when he talks
about presents I think he said something
to the effect of one one conscious
breath brink can bring you to the
present and that can be enough to snap
one out of if you go into an anxious
phase you just take a breath and you're
there and at least restart the clock a
little bit so I think it's those
instances while we're in our day-to-day
lives because it's it's somewhat easy to
go on a meditation app or go on a
meditation retreat and focus your time
then but to do it in practice while
you're living in your everyday life that
to me is the hardest thing especially
after years of training and thinking
that life was different it's like an
unwinding of whatever I used to think
and I have to consistently constantly
bring my
back to the president say wait a second
I'm the witness here no matter what's
going on or how stressed I am because of
what's happening in my life I am
experiencing the body of mark but I am
NOT tied to that so come back to being
witness and then usually that will calm
things down as far as creating the life
that you want enough I've had to do that
the last two years or so three years
maybe just being conscious of it and
trying some of this stuff out and there
were some times in meditation and on
psychedelic adventures and things like
that that I was kind of shown what I
needed to do with my life and actually
how to do it and it's always we like to
project our consciousness outside of
ourselves as far as like one day I'm
going to be this or one day I'm going to
do that you know we're talking about
time and we're talking about this person
that we see ourselves being or becoming
in the future there was this huge
revelation that shifted everything for
me when I would see myself like that I
want to do a podcast I want to be a
healer I want to do this and this was
things that it was outside of me like
one day I may get the opportunity but
understanding that I'm those those
things already reside within me I
already am those things because I want
to be them they're already a part of me
so it's not one day I'm going to become
this and and it was shown to me the
revelation of life different ways in my
life that are that I was already
achieving this stuff in small ways so
looking at those things that we want to
do the people that we want to become
maybe I mean it probably works for
everything if you need a spout you want
a spouse in your life like that person
is already connected to you somewhere so
it's just like I know there's a gap
there the things that are not as though
they were like how do we kind of reel
those things in but for me it was to see
them not separate from myself or cease
them something yet outside of myself
that I need to try to obtain that it was
already within and that we can go within
through the conscious breathing through
the breath or took bringing the
awareness to the now moment now have you
had any experience with that because
we're talking about Tom doesn't exist
the future doesn't exist that is just a
thought or an idea but
created in us within you but you can
pull it into your reality yeah I mean
for me I guess my personal journey is
maybe the best example where two years
ago I just started learning about these
phenomena and Here I am with the book
that's out I had no plans of writing a
book because I got really interested in
it and then when I told friends about
the research I was doing and there most
of my friends just because of where I've
grown up and what the things I've done
they're from the business world so when
I talk about things like psychic
abilities and near-death experiences and
start telling them the science there's
they say I've never heard of this before
but this is totally Rock world-changing
stuff and for a lot of people that I've
had conversations with like that it
started to shift thanks for them you
know so I said a very clear intention of
okay well I'm having a positive effect
on people so I I feel like I know almost
an obligation if that's something that
I'm providing without even realizing it
that maybe I can give that to more
people so I said the really clear
intention when I sat down to write the
book which was the July 4th weekend in
2017 I spent four days in my apartment
in San Francisco and didn't leave
basically I just wrote for four days
straight and finished more than half of
the book but I think the intention was
really clear I ended up finishing it
over the next few weekends it's super
clear intention of I want to make the
information clear to people so that they
can understand it and for those who are
interested it could have a really
positive impact on their lives so I
think whether I knew it or not I was
setting that very clear intention and
now here we are a year a little bit
after a year after I wrote it and the
book is now out and hopefully having
that effect on people
now let me ask you this so with those
techniques of mindfulness and stuff like
that and creating it do you ever look
back and say man how did I accomplish
that because like there's some things
that come through and you do with using
these techniques or whatever just being
mindful and you accomplish stuff and
then maybe sometime later you look back
you're like wow did I really did I
really do that or was that almost
without being too crazy with that almost
channelled to me like how did I do that
because you know what I'm saying it's
like we get all we we have all this
power we could do anything we set our
minds to and trust me when I started
doing it like stuff started click and
dude like
like I was able to manifest stuff into
my life just by thinking about it and
taking those practical steps and uh and
I was kind of blowing myself away like
wow this is a lot faster than I thought
like I thought this was gonna take you
know years maybe or months even but it
turns out it only took a couple weeks
for me to to kind of create this stuff
have you ever been in those all moments
like that as well maybe after the book
was out or whatever yeah I mean when I
sat down to write it and I realized that
I had now I knew very clearly what I
wanted the book to look like in terms of
structure you did a structure that is
now the final book is it's basically
what I outlined initially but I said
wait this is gonna take months for me to
do because I've still work and it's just
it's a research book so I can't just sit
there and write really you know I have
to have a citation for everything but
because I really wanted to do it I ended
up finishing things much more quickly
than I ever thought I'd put up I mean it
with in that month of July the book what
our draft of the book was done so that
was something I couldn't have envisioned
when I sat down to write it there's no
way I thought it would have happened
that quickly so when I look back at it
and I reread it it's like wow I was
really in the zone there and it reminds
me of my tennis days where it's like
some matches you're in the zone and
things are flowing you're not thinking
about the past present and future you're
just there you're not even thinking
about the now because you're in it I
think that's what started to happen as I
was writing it and I've seen it happen
in other parts of my life
so is there like is there like conscious
techniques and stuff like as far as
getting a game plan and because there's
people who you know they don't really
have a vision you know what I'm saying
they don't know what to do next like
Kent like I'm saying it like it's a law
I do it I go into that meditative state
and kind of get a game plan about what I
need to do and it's not always easy or
whatever the case is but if someone's
listening and they don't have a vision
they don't know what they want to do
with their life are they able to do it
through through these techniques and
things it's a really good point I think
so when I think about most of the
intentions that I try to set it's it's
based on things that I will find passion
in so I try to
acting things that I'm I will be
passionate about without knowing what
those are sometimes so I think it's okay
not to know but to maybe set the
intention of I want to find the things
that I'm just gonna be so interested in
when I don't even know what that is or
when it's gonna happen and not be
attached to the outcome of well it has
to happen within a week from now I think
that's really the key is not to be
attached to the outcome of that with the
thing that you're desiring is to say
well I put this desire out there whether
it's to be passionate about something or
something even more specific but if it
doesn't happen I'm okay with it
so it's like if you get too attached to
it maybe you almost prevent it from
happening whether it's a physiological
thing or otherwise but if you just kind
of let it go and say okay if it happens
it happens doesn't it doesn't I found
that to be the most effective technique
it takes the pressure off also Utama
having these different scientific
explanations for whether psychic
abilities or psychic phenomena that
happens you know and in our lives it
kind of helps it make sense whenever
it's you have both ways to explain it we
can explain it and make it sound like
really far-out really will bring bring
bring every thought to you know say a
single point and and all of this cool
spiritual stuff but it's really like if
you change your thinking if you change
the things that you're thinking about
you're like naturally going to start
walking in that direction if you're
thinking about your goals and writing
them down and and you know bringing them
to the book the forefront of your mind
and what the scripture says to kind of
you know I'm saying meditate upon these
these things daily all of these
beautiful lovely things and kind of
creating your life that way so it's cool
that it's spiritual and it's far out
because I believe it is but if it's just
that then it's rule but if it becomes a
practical dinner site look these are
practical things that you can do in your
life to create the life that you want
for yourself and their spiritual every
single point about if we're talking
about concerts if we're talking and
that's the whole thing of just talking
about your thoughts and thinking okay
let's get deep about your thinking and
why your thinking is important
on a lot of spiritual and metaphysical
aspects that your thoughts create your
reality or the things that you're
focusing on and things like that so it
is really cool are you saying that you
actually have all of these different
practical ways or scientific ways that
explain the far out whoo-whoo spiritual
stuff and that's the key yeah I totally
agree and I want to point your listeners
to a study that gets to this exact topic
for your listeners who want to have the
hard data for it at Princeton University
which I didn't even know about when I
went to school there there was a lab for
27 years called the Princeton
engineering anomalies Research Lab where
the former dean of engineering this guy
was a rocket scientist was running
studies where people put their mental
attentions intentions toward a machine
and the machine was called a random
number generator meaning that the
machine would spit out zeros and ones in
a random fashion when you look at the
string of zeros and ones over the long
run you get 50% ones 50% zeroes because
it's random what they ask people to do
in these studies is to put their mental
intention to the machine to try to make
it produce more ones and zeros and what
they found is that when people put their
mind to the Machine and they tried to
will it to produce more ones and zeros
there was a very slight but highly
statistically significant effect which
suggests that the mind is having an
effect on this physical process without
any touching of it they're not touching
the machine if their intentions shifting
it so that is really strong evidence
that our intentions can affect the
physical world even if it's a slight
effect now do you think that that has
something to do with what we call
synchronicity as well of just seeing
these things that we're thinking about
we're seeing them everywhere or these
different phrases that come to us that
we've never heard and now they're
everywhere everywhere you know what I'm
saying these different weird
implications with synchronicity does
that kind of fit into there somewhere
yeah it does it does in a way and I
think it gets to a lot of the issues we
talked about one is time if time isn't
linear then it's like the future
affecting the past and vice-versa and
who knows what but also this idea of
entanglement where the universe is
interconnected in certain ways so it
might be that our thoughts are informing
the physical reality around us in ways
that we don't fully understand and our
limited human mind interprets the
synchronicities as
kind of the few it's like the iceberg
the tip of the iceberg that you can see
but there's a lot of stuff underneath it
under the water we're seeing that tip
and we see these little synchronicities
but we don't know all the other stuff
that's going on in the universe to
explain how these things work so the
short answer is with regard to
synchronicities I'm much more open to
those events being not random chance but
there's something going on with this
entangled universe that we live in yeah
it's just got to get to the bottom of
what it is that's going on sometimes I
mean it's kind of like the glitch in the
matrix right you see the black hat that
keeps walking by like this same weird
thing every day and some of those arms
synchronicities are insane man so it
would be like we you know I'm saying we
want to think that some type of
intelligence or some type of
consciousness is interacting with us
which I believe right I believe what we
call it God or whatever the supreme
source or whatever it is like something
knows that you know type deal right it's
like hey I'm aware that you know and I'm
gonna send you these I like to call them
bread crumbs right they're just you know
I'm saying little bread crumbs and hey
you're on the right path those type of
type of deals for me a lot of people
will tell you like when you have
synchronicities to look at the
information what is it what does it mean
to you and I know that sounds cool is
sometimes it is sometimes a lot of times
it's just random stuff that just goes on
in your head and then it's manifested
throughout the day just these random
thoughts and if that and if it's just
these random thoughts that are
manifested in the connection there why
can't they be bigger things with our
life and I think that kind of gets into
that with your book a little bit man
they're actually creating those little
occurrences and and they're showing up
in the physical reality right these
thoughts and these weird connections
that are there somewhere in the universe
yeah yeah totally totally but when it
comes to interpreting those events
that's where it can get really tricky
because our human mind has such
limitations that we can't see the full
picture yeah the way I like to think
about it is imagine that we are we live
in a two-dimensional world like we're a
flat piece of paper yeah okay that's our
world and a sphere so a round 3d circle
is touching the paper and then going
through it at first when it touches it
all the people in 2d world like us
see a point then thus we are starts to
go through and you see a circle all
we're gonna see is a circle because
we're in 2d land
it's like a cross-section of that sphere
that's all that we can perceive so we
don't perceive the entire sphere
we're only perceiving its contact with
our two-dimensional world what the
sphere itself is 3d that's just an
analogy to use the this idea that we're
in this dimension or something and we
see little bits and pieces and we try to
interpret it from our limited lens of
this dimension but maybe there's
something much broader that we just
cannot comprehend because of where we
are now with that have you have you
played with that at all I know when I
first got into spirituality or listening
to these type of lectures about quantum
physics and things like that like I
wanted to try it I try to get into
telekinesis and like you know the PSI
wheel making stuff spin like making pins
roll and conscious connectedness and
things like that have you ever got into
that at all messing with that I
personally haven't gotten into it as
much at HHS because I've been so busy
yeah with the book and everything else
but I've you know it seems like there's
something there and there are many
studies that show that that exists at
least on a subtle level for me it's been
more about these intentions that we
talked about it just being really clear
with the things that I want and being
much more mindful of the way I'm
thinking yeah because if we view
consciousness as the basic part of this
a whole reality then it's like the
physical world is almost malleable it
can be molded by how we're thinking in
ways we don't understand and when you
even get to the level of physical matter
from the physics standpoint well Matt
what's your table made out of it's made
out of a bunch of atoms
what are atoms made out of when you look
at a microscope microscope the atom is
99.999999% empty so it's mostly empty
stuff that we call this material world
that seems solid it's number one mostly
empty and it's arguably not even in the
same form unless you're observing it so
this again gets back to the point of the
physical world potentially being very
much influenced by the way we're
thinking yeah so as far as like your
thoughts and your ideas and creativity
and things like that and then coupling
it with spirituality and just above
like an inward belief would I guess what
most people think spirituality is but it
becomes practical we're talking about
that so you're using it you're talking
about using it on a day-to-day basis
relating in your um saying the writing
of your book maybe even in in in
business this is what you do every day
right so it becomes practical and you
use it in every area of your life right
this mindfulness or this knowing or just
try to like is it to try to create an
outcome like a desired outcome like I
see it in my mind's eye this is how I
want it and I'm going to believe it I'm
going to kind of position myself to do
it and it starts happening so do so do
you use it in business do you use it in
marketing do you use it with your
clients maybe even capturing clients and
things like that do you see it done
before it before it even happens and
things like that and try to try to
connect them or reel them in to the now
moment is that kind of how it works a
little bit - yeah it's something I'm
still playing around with on a
day-to-day basis I like how it all works
practically I think there's just a
general mindset with that I try to apply
to everything I do and at first it was
it was I'd forget about it because I was
so used to my other way of thinking and
now it's more like everyday I try to be
conscious about it whether it's business
or relationships or anything else yeah
we're interacting with people this just
to be very clear on I'm the witness here
and identifying with the consciousness
rather than the body and things seems to
stem from that but what we've talked
about a few times is setting intentions
for things in the future and I'm always
very wary about setting specific
intentions for things because it's hard
for us to know what we actually want and
this is something I remember from
psychology when I studied psychology
back to for instance there were lots of
studies done where people would predict
that they wanted something then they got
it it wasn't exactly as good as they
thought it would be so for us to set an
intention for something super specific
I'm always just I'm very wary of for it
because I'm like well maybe I'm not
maybe I need to be careful what I wish
for so when I think about setting the
intentions in my day-to-day life whether
it's business or other things I try to
keep it really general where it's more
about passions for things things that
are going to help me and help others and
whatever form that takes is okay because
I know myself and I know that I don't
now what I'm gonna want in the future
yeah is to try to is to try to mend the
- you know what I'm saying that's why I
talk about all the time is the fact that
your mind is powerful you got to make
sure you use it wisely and the whole
even the thing that the little video I
did on Christ consciousness was about
making those decisions with the renewed
mind like making those decisions about
what you want to do for yourself in your
life with a good head on your shoulders
making sure that what you're building is
what you want for the future I mean how
many of us have spent time energy effort
and money building things like you said
only to figure out like man I don't want
this this isn't what I planned I wanted
something else or I knew I shouldn't it
did this you know I'm saying from the
beginning or it's kind of like you know
whenever we make decisions based off of
being offended or being hurt or
something like that and we see it
through and we have to be careful
because if you don't put yourself out of
that you you'll create a business you'll
create friendships you'll create a
platform based off of something that you
know it off of heard or offer being
offended or whatever here's almost like
I'll show them let me show them oh they
said I wouldn't be successful let me
show them and like kind of building it
in the wrong direction right and so
that's that's the whole thing with with
it being just a mindset and how it comes
into our practical day-to-day it's just
simply change the way that you're
thinking and and have this you know
these thoughts that you want to do these
things you want to do at the center of
your attention every day right and then
it becomes practical because it becomes
something I mean if you're thinking
about it over and over you're gonna be
making decisions you're gonna be looking
for this so even if it is
synchronicities or stuff you're gonna
start seeing these things why because
you're looking for them and you begin to
create that stuff yeah totally totally
so I think we all have to be careful and
mindful of the thoughts that we're
putting out and just be aware of why
we're putting the thoughts out so for me
when I when I think about like kind of
the highest level intention that I like
to set it's based on the research that
I've seen just that gets to like the
meaning of existence because that to me
is the ultimate thing of what am I doing
here and why and what matters is that
the things that I care about from the
ego perspective as some people call it
or is there something much bigger going
on and what seems to be the case based
on the research that I've done and
especially the near-death experience
where people are having this life review
and they're judging themselves for how
they acted what many of them and other
people who are very psychic come back
with is this notion that we're here to
evolve our consciousness right so that
we come into the body with we come in
here with nothing physical and we leave
the body with nothing physical the thing
that we leave with is what we've evolved
at the level of our consciousness so if
we think about that is really the core
meaning of life and treating each other
well as being part of being part of that
evolution then to me the highest
intention is around the evolving our own
consciousness and for for others to help
other people in their quest to evolve
their own consciousness through whatever
they're going through and that might
take a whole bunch of physical
manifestations it might be different for
me than for you then through your
listeners but that might be the ultimate
thing that everyone's kind of striving
for without even realizing yeah man it
almost seems like in this just the way I
look at it like it's almost like we're
being tested like whether you know
people believe that earth is a school a
proving ground or even the Christian you
know I'm saying perception is the fact
that like what you do now determines
where you're gonna spend eternity either
in heaven or hell so there's all these
different ideas that you're being tested
and tried here but as far as like on a
consciousness level of like moving from
one level to the next it's almost like
we're presented with these tests and and
it seems like the way that you pass the
test is to get it right and to get it
right is to make the right decisions the
right choices which it seems to be
moving and responding with love with
compassion towards people towards your
boss towards your family member whoever
it is like responding these ways you
know if I found out that like the more
and more we have these dilemmas or these
type of situations or these people who
come up in our life when we respond with
love we kind of graduate and pass that
test and we were able to go a little bit
deeper in this consciousness staying in
this spirituality thing in this business
thing or whatever
to thrive and responding like love to
love almost like Jesus did
right responding to your enemy's love
your enemies bless those who curse you
those type of things and and and in that
which kind of goes back to what you were
saying the beginning you step away hey
this ain't this isn't personal you know
what I'm saying I'm a spectator I'm
gonna see what you're going through I
know why you did that we're connected
you know in the hole namaste in LA
College can I'm connected to you you're
connected me you are another expression
of me do good to those who you say who
do wrong to you for in doing so you're
doing it back into yourself and it's
it's like this weird song and dance with
love with God with consciousness with
the universe and with everybody and
we're all in it whether we know it or
not right and we we're responding to
people and just do mere conversations
men and just the things we're thinking
about the things we're pushing and it's
crazy man but it's beautiful and I've
seen that have you does that have you
does that make sense at all like the
whole testing and like once I get over
this and then I can go to something
deeper and like I'm a queer making a
sound spiritual but even that's
practical right even that comes back to
something practical that we'd wit which
is in our mindset the way that we think
the way that we perceive life yeah I
mean that it's certainly something that
comes up over and over again with people
who have a near-death experience or
other sorts of mystical phenomena this
is a common thread and it might just be
that our human mind because we think in
such a linear fashion that's just the
way our brain works is that we we try to
analogize and we call it school and
levels and that just might be a
simplification of something bigger but
it seems like it's something in that
general direction
and you talked a lot about this
responding with love and just this
notion of having love for all people
that is again something that comes up
with from people in the near-death
experience that is very transformative
for them and they usually come back into
their bodies often they get divorced
they change their job because they're
they are experiencing this like pure
consciousness that when we're
our body it's harder to feel because
we're in this dense form but it seems
like unconditional love is a property of
the underlying consciousness that we all
are so when we act in that way according
to that theory we are just acting in
accord with our basic values as
consciousness and that seems to be like
the maybe it's the game if we're trying
to analogize it for just a human being
it's sort of like remembering that's our
actual state as consciousness sometimes
people experience it in meditation on
psychedelics in a near-death experience
and put it on an everyday basis it's our
challenge to kind of recognize that true
nature within us and within everybody if
we're all like Schrodinger says if we're
just one mind yeah then that's kind of
the whole thing it's kind of treating
other people like they're you and being
altruistic because when you're being
altruistic to help others
you're actually helping yourself because
you're the same consciousness whenever
we have those experiences whether it's
you know I'm saying through breath work
through psychedelics like you're talking
about or whatever the case says or
reading the book man you don't sound
like you reading your book or listening
to music like I've had that experience
with other people's music and people
have it with mine it changes the way
that you think and you have that
mystical experience you have that
revelation through reading a book people
read have that experience by reading the
Bible they walk away they want to love
better they want to do these type of
things so it's like shifts the way that
you think and then you go out and you
perceive life differently you perceive
the world differently you perceive
nature people you're connecting this and
then you like you're a little bit more
connected man after having those
experiences and those encounters so it's
just it's it's not all for naught it
means something it changes the way that
you're experiencing reality and and and
you know saying that's in a good way
right we have books and creativity and
art and things like that they help us do
that but there's people who have had
those bad experiences and stuff too and
like the world is against them and I
hear you guys talking about this stuff
but it doesn't work like that I have
bills to pay I have this I have you
everybody's against me I can't keep a
job those type of things and like how do
you break that cycle man cuz there's
there's things that we know work and we
want to keep doing the things that that
work and I think that's what that's part
of the evolution there too like you know
what what triggers you you know what
makes you feel a certain type of way
what no matter what it is you got a you
know I'm saying know yourself and and
start doing the things more often that
bring you peace and bring you joy and
kind of help comfort you on this walk
versus being around other destructive
stuff but like what what is the the
changing point that we can approach as
far as wanting to change the life
because there's a lot of people stuck
man they don't under people don't get it
and I think the music the art the
creativity the books and things like
that kind of help them do it does it all
come back to conscious awareness I think
it does
I mean you wrote a book on it so yeah is
that what it all comes back to to me
it's all about having a clear picture of
what reality is and the conventional
view in most of science and most of
society and I was certainly brought up
in this is that the universe is random
and just made of matter and we emerged
within that universe and our
consciousness just came out of our brain
and if you buy into that it is very
difficult to break the cycle because
that way of thinking says well all you
are is your body and there's no broader
meaning but once your body dies because
that's where your consciousness comes
from then your consciousness is gone
your memories are gone so life doesn't
really matter because once you're dead
it's over and that's definitely how I
used to think about things because I
understood once you die it's over so if
you want to come up with a meeting you
can do it it's just a rationalization so
to me that's why one of the reasons I
felt so compelled to write this book is
that if that is actually not
scientifically accurate and there's so
much evidence suggesting it's not then
that assumption that we are a finite
limited being that is separate from
everybody else maybe that's not a
correct assumption so at least for me
the way I think about things it starts
off with a a questioning of the current
paradigm and then realizing there's
science that suggests it's a different
paradigm so once you
kind of break that or open the door a
little bit I think it can help people
but what you talked about I think is
really the key is for people to have
those personal experiences whether it's
from music or from psychedelics done
responsibly or our near-death experience
which is kind of a traumatic way to do
it to me the most natural way seems to
be meditative States or breathing
techniques where you can achieve those
same states in you know in a way that's
not doing any potential trauma or harm
to the body or it's a lower-risk thing
because the consciousness is always
there just a matter of of accessing it
so I would say for me it's it's gets two
things one is something have having some
form of experience and then number two
is intellectually realizing that the
assumptions of the mainstream thinking
are number one very flawed and number
two there's a lot of evidence to
question that it's real awesome I'm with
you on that man I'm uh I'm looking
forward to to digging into the book let
everybody know where they can go pick it
up at man looks like it's everywhere is
it yeah it's available on Amazon Barnes
and Noble and many other bookstores and
also my website which is just my name
mark Gober ma RK g OB ER com has more
information on my book and also in the
next few months I don't have a release
date yet I'll be releasing a podcast
where I interview many of the same
scientists that I talked about in my
book so they'll be talking about
near-death experiences children who have
past life memories psychic abilities but
actually the science behind it and I
hope that will be another way for people
to kind of open up to this reality that
seems to be very real but it's not yet
accepted by the mainstream that's also
man that's kind of what I'm doing but on
the opposite in as far as like the
religious aspect so I'm taking the Bible
apart and showing you what we may call
new-age phenomena psychic abilities ESP
and all of those things within the Bible
right and kind of taking some of the
woowoo off of that so it's really cool
that you're doing it man just kind of
bridging the gap in any way and it shows
you that look at the end of the day
we're not so different after all and
people like the late claim like this is
it you got it wrong or it is merely
scientific or it is merely spiritual
orders merely
religious or it's all in your head
whatever the case says then we kind of
take that away from them and say look I
think it's a little bit of all of it and
we just have these whatever we're
focusing on it's kind of what reveals
itself to us and you know it just kind
of be more open-minded man I've seen
that happening and in the lives of a lot
of people when were able to take that
it's almost like a religious blinders
would I deal with right were able to
pull that away and I'm and people are
able to see that look we are all
connected and just because I believe
this or whatever the case says it
doesn't change who that person is and it
shows that we're all connected man and I
really believe that yeah totally I think
it's awesome what you're doing - I think
everyone just has a different lens on
I'm looking at things and they're all
important and for different people
certain things will resonate more than
others so in my case I just took the
lens that I was kind of given in my
training and tried to appeal to people
that have a similar outlook and we'll
see how it does yeah it's doing well man
I appreciate this conversation brother
and we have to do it again sometime soon
let me know when you want to get up and
we'll do it again all right that was fun
thanks so much and thanks for all that
you're doing brother bless you man thank
you okay you too bye mark Gober ladies
and gentlemen check out his work it's
very similar man the the conscious now
moment that's where all the power is
that's that's the only moment that we
have like you don't have tomorrow with
what they say in a church you're not
promised tomorrow so that's that's it
man that's all we have is that is this
now moment and the power of bringing
your consciousness in your awareness to
the now and I talk about it all the time
I talk about like it's the reason that
I'm doing what I'm doing today is
because of learning how to do it and
nothing is outside of us like that's the
cool thing about for me about about
Jesus right about the scriptures is the
fact that uh he's given us everything
within like we don't have to go outside
of ourselves to find fulfillment and
that's the problem with the world right
we're going outside of ourselves to find
fulfillment we're going
outside of ourselves to be happy whether
it's drugs whether it's alcohol is
addiction whether it's sex whether even
if it's in another person right you're
finding your fulfillment within that
person I think all of those things can
be and it's not that what you know all
those things are bad but to find your
identity in those things that are
outside of you I don't believe that
that's why I really like the scripture
that says that the kingdom of heaven is
within you and to me that implies that
we don't need anything outside of
ourselves
that the world is trying to sell us
there's this hey come here and get this
like trust me there's things outside of
us that we can apply and things like
that but to find fulfillment of to
explore the kingdom to go within
everything God has already given you
everything that you need within that you
can go inside and explore that stuff
within you need nothing outside of
yourself you're not becoming you already
are you already are
when I was going through that there was
a song because I'm really big into
nostalgia so I listened to some
throwback country from time to time
anytime I hear throwback 90s country it
reminds me of being a kid you know what
I'm saying and it reminds me of being
riding with my mom in the car and just
being at her friend's house and stuff
and summers hearing that old throwback
country and it was a song I'm gonna be
somebody someday and I would hear that
and I would sing it even just a couple
years ago and I had to catch myself wait
not gonna be somebody someday you can
like to even mouth that it's like you're
putting your expectation outside of
yourself that one day it's gonna happen
one day it's gonna come to pass
you already are you already are somebody
you're not going to be somebody the
thing with me with you know wanting to
become a healer right wanting to do
healing sessions in healing therapy with
people that I experienced through dr.
just Tragos she led us in a you know I'm
saying Reiki session in New Orleans
at her practice and it was beautiful and
I was just blown away on the fact that
she gets to wake up and do that every
day lead people in meditation and help
them through traumas and overcoming and
planning out their life and things like
that
we went and seen her we did that and it
was a beautiful way to start off our
men's retreat encounter and then we went
to the float tank shop and did
psilocybin mushrooms in the float tank
and and I couldn't quit thinking about
that fact man that I wanted to be a
healer I wanted to do what she was doing
and and I've just had this weird
wrestling almost with God and it was
just like an overwhelming like ah
there's no way I can do it and there's
all these doubts and all these things
against me to say why I couldn't or I
shouldn't do it I'm not that well-spoken
how are you gonna lead guided meditation
when sometimes it's hard for me to even
formulate a sentence like I used to
stutter all the time like really really
really bad even if you go back and
listen to some of the first podcasts
I've ever done man it was even then it
was it was still hard to to interview
people and and you just practice and you
get better and things like that but I
seen that as something outside of myself
that I couldn't be and I just was just
taken down this this journey with the
Lord was just like you already are a
healer and begin to show me things
within my own life even my music man
prayer circles that we do you know all
of these different things the Lord
showed me said look you already are
healing people you already are healer so
don't look at it like it's something you
might be or one day you could be if you
played your cards right you already are
it's within you and you in that one it's
within you for a reason like you want to
pursue that for a reason because I'll
put it within you all of those desires
and things like that God gave them to
you and we talk about it all the time
like God didn't give you those desires
just to kind of hang it over your head
and set up you know I was gonna give
this to you but you dropped it but you
dropped the ball so now I'm gonna give
it to somebody else and it's just weird
maybe I don't know if we feel like our
teachers or our parents or somebody did
that to us
but many people feel like God is doing
that to them like holding these things
over their head that is just barely out
of their grasp just barely out of their
reach like you could do it but you're
not because of baba baba or because you
have kids now you can't do this because
you have kids or and I've heard that one
too you know
be sure to did it years ago you're too
old to get started bye bye bye and we
just see people coming out walking in
their truth who are just defying all of
that stuff really it's awesome um so
you're not going to become something you
already are if it's within you now you
have to get from point A to point B to
learn how to manifest that stuff and I
think that everything we were talking
about today it's a practical things that
you can do with the consciousness with
awareness to manifest that stuff bring
it to bring it into reality I talked
about shamanism and I think a true
shaman is able to kind of go into the
astral realms into the spirit realm get
those dreams out and manifest them and
pull them out of that realm into reality
and knowing that who you are you you
have all the tools and everything you
need to do that if I can see it I can
believe it is what the world says right
if you show me then I believe it people
of faith we say if I can believe it then
I will see it to understand even the
very definition of faith that week we
have evidence of the things that are
unseen and be able to bring them into
this reality my expectation brings about
my manifestation and and it gets deep
and ever how spiritual you want but at
the end of the day I really do think
it's practical I really do think it's
practical
Chris garner says I don't know I think
Satan is a collective Topa he only has
the power you give him you know that I
believe in the spirit of Satan as far as
like the word means adversary and anyone
can play that adversary I've had close
friends play Satan in my life to become
an adversary to try to destroy things
I've built and stuff like that they've
played the Satan but I do see this is
how my mind works I do see that with uh
with Lucifer right the whole Lucifer
concept which is not biblical right it's
not a the Bible doesn't explain Lucifer
as a created entity that is that is
Satan or whatever the case is right so
the Bible doesn't say that but when you
when you use that term when you use that
word people automatically think of this
entity that that we have created named
Lucifer not that God created but that we
that we created Lucifer
that doesn't exist that the Lucifer
doesn't exist and you're saying that
it's a Tulpa you could we created this
tapa at Oprah is a created being through
consciousness through thought through
speaking to it almost like a daemon but
it's something that you create not
something that from the outside
approaches you but that you create them
you create the demon you create the top
or you create it and someone I'm a mass
of creation I've covered the Lucifer
thing on many occasions it's not
biblical at all if you go back and read
Isaiah chapter 14 in the Bible that's
the only time it's mentioned and it's
it's a title light-bearer and I'll tell
you what the devil is not a Light Bearer
we know who the Light Bearer is the true
the true bringer of light the light that
lighteth every man that cometh in
to the world some of these things is
really beautiful man
so not wanting to become something
outside of yourself but knowing that you
already are man these are like practical
things and it really it kind of just
like I was talking about in the in the
in the conversation with him was the
fact that uh like once I understood that
stuff after my spiritual encounter
experience or whatever once I understood
that started taking those steps you know
I talked about blood sweat and tears
within your vision and it takes all of
that that is the alchemy I believe blood
sweat and tears I've cried over this you
know what I'm saying while I was on my
other job and just seeing like this was
a pipe dream or this was a dead end or
something like that
literally cried thinking if I should
give it up maybe it's too late you know
you got it these bills aren't gonna pay
themselves you know those type of ideas
that can kind of steal your joy and
still that vision from you but once I
started to do those and just believe it
and say you know I'm gonna try it man it
wasn't years it was it was it was weeks
it was weeks I put myself out there I
did some interviews with some people and
told the story made myself available did
some distance healing with some friends
over video chat and and they was able to
feel it on the other side of the world
as we would say these prayers and send
forth the energy and things like that
and people who had pain in their body
they were being healed and there was
like little bitty things man that was
building my faith over just a couple
weeks and the encouragement from friends
I got to give shout out to a couple
friends man at the time it was Kelly in
the raw I was on her show and as many of
you watching now who know who I am from
those
days of back in 2015 when I was going on
there once a month and doing that but we
did some open healing sessions together
and stuff like that too on her show but
so Kelly in the raw was a big influence
for me to step out on their a even
bigger one my friend drew Gower you know
just I would just open with him about my
journey and just pouring into him and
and both of us to each other and and
within those months after that
experience man we both started coming
into those dreams and visions that we
had at that place and and to see what
happened in his life and for him to see
what happened in mine and we both played
this this role in each other's life of
listening of encouraging you know in it
worked man the power of the spoken word
the power of expectation the expectation
brings about your manifestation to
really believe that and not just as some
kind of like these people are making a
lot of money off of these stuff for
stuff for a reason because it works like
it really does work the secret the
secret was successful the law of
attraction for a reason you know don't
have everybody fooled that stuff works
and as spiritual as it is it's practical
I started to put myself out there and
book some sessions paid sessions where
people wanted a personal session where I
would lead them in guided meditation and
energy healing and and and speak wisdom
and speak prophetically over their life
and things like that
and I was commissioned and people
started booking me like crazy I think I
was doing several sessions a week out of
nowhere and then two week to three weeks
into it I'm like oh my goodness it was
kind of overwhelming like it was really
overwhelming how fast it happened
because I'm like man this is gonna take
years to to position myself in the right
spot you know to put out the right
marketing the right brand like I didn't
know but it was only a few weeks and I'm
doing this stuff and like man it just to
see healing flow
to people and teaching people and
leading them guiding them counseling and
I was like oh my goodness there's
something that seems so far away that
came like that
and it's like man it was scary it really
was most of the stuff is they say if
your dreams don't scare you
you need a new dream but then how fast
it comes stick with it man keep keep it
up expect it as spiritual as it may
sound I don't think you have to go out
and do though - psilocybin mushrooms
we've had this talk you don't have to do
that other people have we have we
brought back the information you can if
you want if it calls to you then do it
you have to do it if it's calling you
there's no way you could say no but it
you don't have to do those things to get
the information we're bringing it back
we're making it practical everybody
saying the same thing you apply it to
your life and see what happens I ended
up man it was it was just mind-blowing
but to see how practical in that
spiritually rule we want to make it
sound but that's practically as it was I
believe in the placebo effect
I believe in placebo I believe that if
you believe in something enough you'll
get it I mean the placebo effect the
spiritual at the same time you know if
you believe in something enough you'll
get it if you see what the universe
works in such a way that whatever you're
seeking whatever you're looking for
you're gonna find it and just like we're
talking about the placebo effect and
believe in belief if you believe that
Lucifer is a demon who's trying to tempt
you and taught you and he's showing up
in every crevice of your life
then he's he is you created that in your
mind but whatever it whatever it is if
you think Santa Claus is real if you
think the Easter Bunny like whatever you
if you can believe it enough you're
gonna see it even if you're the only one
I guess deep
but even Jesus with a placebo effect man
you know Jesus would come into towns and
you know he is the he would go in the
cities and there were cities who
believed him they were waiting on him
he'd show up he'd healed everybody in
the city he it says he healed all that
were sick among them every single person
and then he would go into other cities
where they knew him I said we Jesus is
doing this no he's a carpenter
now he's what a healer he's healing
people he did what he spit in the mud
rub it together and healed a guy no no I
didn't I don't believe it and if I you
know we did this and he did dad and
bah-bah-bah he's just a carpenter he's a
regular person like us
he went into other cities where they
knew him and he was subdued he couldn't
heal anybody because of their unbelief
that's deep
the Son of God couldn't heal people wait
a minute wait a minute
yeah because of their unbelief he was
rendered powerless because of their
unbelief yep placebo
he went into other cities were you know
the woman who had the issue of blood she
had supposed bleeding in her body for so
many years this it was like internal
bleeding and she was in bad shape and
she knew when Jesus came through there
were crowds of people around she knew if
I can just touch him if I can just touch
him if I can get through the crowd and
touched Jesus if I could even touch the
hem of His garment that I'll be healed
that was her expectation I'm pretty sure
there was no power in the hem of His
garment whatsoever at all I don't think
he wore magical roadbed healed people
but she knew that if she can reach
through the crowd and touch to him of
his garment she'll be healed and she was
so much so the crazy thing is that Jesus
felt it he's felt something happened
it's a held on who touched me I DS us
was able to connect with that faith he
know he knew her desires he knew her
thoughts in her motives he and he felt
it and he said he moved he felt the
virtue leave him is that wait a minute
who touched me he said man I haven't
seen nobody with that grit that greater
faith man this woman know if she can
just touch the hem of His garment that's
symbolic man just all you got to do is
just touch it man touch the hit to him
of his garment if you could just push
through the crowd
push through the noise push through the
naysayers it's now now you're too old no
30 year old rappers this is a young
man's sport you know you're too old for
this you're too old for that you had too
many kids you know all of these things
like there's so many reasons for you not
to do it but there's so many reasons for
you to do it whatever it is that you
want to do with your life whatever it is
you want you're trying to create and it
is practical there is trial and error
you learn don't do this do that don't do
this do that this works just don't and
that's what we're talking about the
power of expectation so much so that a
creative miracle happened in this
woman's body as recorded in the Bible
there's other instances where man people
would do whatever they could to touch
him Jesus was in the house speaking
right and it was a paraplegic guy it's
in the way we can get this guy through
the crowd and past everybody to get him
to Jesus there's no way we'll do it this
way too many people here there's no way
what did they do they took the guy on on
the roof they told his roof apart
they've cut a hole in the roof they cut
a hole in the roof and they they dropped
him down through the hole and Jesus seen
the faith is like man this guy's
dropping in on me Wow
he believes and why what he believes he
got what he got what he came for he got
a healing the woman who there was two
different women who came and who had a
child who was dead
and they said look just say the word
he'll be healed I know how you got to do
is just say it Lord Jesus say say the
word he'll be healed
okay I love your face he's healed he's
not dead he's only asleep
go back he sleep go get him something to
eat he's hungry he's gonna be hungry
when he wakes up right and it's because
of the expectation it's the placebo you
wanted it you got it
so that for we learn to shift our
thinking what are the things you're
expecting what are the things you're
hoping for
are they big are they big enough
Benny wean says Benjamin says nobody
needs psychotropic sex you know or
intelligence but they can't help yep you
don't need anything but they can't help
Benny says I'll hit you up to $500 via
patreon by the end of the month it was
gonna be on the first but my ships got
cut off - six days per week - one week
but I'm going to get a second job oh wow
man dude thank you so much brother I
really do appreciate all of the support
all of it and your weather from the
least to the greatest you know what I'm
saying even for those who who can't give
who can't support financially right you
know I've been messaged a couple times
where people have been offended that I I
think the the patrons and stuff and um
you know I don't want to sound I don't
want to sound cocky I don't want to
sound rude you know there's a lot of
people who support for $1 a month and I
say their name and they are guests they
want their name said to a huge audience
at this point man there's no way I
couldn't thank everybody every day just
wouldn't I'm not able to do it but I'll
say this I think if you're not it and
I'm not saying it about supporting me
just if you if you're not able to do a
dollar a month for somebody like we got
other issues we need to talk about and
you need this pie like you need these
practical things man that's gonna help
you not just survive but slide
if ya lie here surviving no you people
have a weird and I've had it right this
weird relationship with money money is
the root of all evil money is evil even
these having these weird poverty
mindsets man thinking that uh that it
you know
money the thinking money is evil and
that just because someone has money then
they're not godly Olcott types of weird
understandings that i've been him and I
kind of I kind of developed that myself
years ago by studying the propped up
Prosperity movement and how nasty and
disgusting that thing was and how it was
full of greed and full of all this stuff
that I would push away blessings man I
would self-sabotage I would I equate I
preached against that riches and things
like that man and there's people who
have this weird this weird relationship
with money they don't think that I mean
those who seek after money are never
gonna have enough you know you got to
watch what you what you're seeking for
but you got to know that if God gave you
a vision for something I don't care what
it is if God gave you a vision he's
gonna give you the provision now however
long it takes to get from point A to
point B that's symbolic and how long it
took the Israelites to get through the
wilderness it could have happened a lot
sooner but you didn't learn the lessons
could have happened a lot sooner I
really don't I really you know what I'm
saying like I don't like to see people
struggling I don't like to Pete see
people I like to see people thriving man
and I hope you know whatever it takes
and I hope that this podcast that you're
listening for a reason if you've if
you've if you've gotten to this point in
the podcast hopefully something spoke
out to you and I and and I'll say this
too because I know I talk about your
passion you know what I'm saying turning
your passion
into a paycheck you know what I'm saying
how to be able to thrive off of doing
the things you love for a living not
letting anything hold you back that's
between you and God at the end of the
day I don't know what it is there's
hundreds of people thousands of people
listening to this I don't know what it
is
for everybody it's different things for
different people some people enjoy and
they're fine working at McDonald's
they're cool with that they're they've
accepted it some people are fine being
landscapers they make a great living
doing it they love it they love their
job
I know carpenters people who are gifted
and blessed to be able to do what
they're doing out there in the job world
right they're truck drivers they love it
I'm gonna content with it if that's you
then then good I'm speaking to the
person there's something for you too but
I'm but when it comes to doing this
other stuff man I'm speaking to the
person who know who feels like they were
meant for something more it feels like
they're gonna go crazy if this is the
way that it ends
that's somebody Kris garner my only goal
is to grow an understanding of all
things my mind cannot stop searching for
answers I'm so thankful for all of you
for your contribution to this growth I
also love to help others yes I want I
have to probe to preface it like your
passions whatever man trust me I think I
know people whose passion is carpentry I
know some people whose passions are
gaming and at this point you can turn
gaming into a career there's kids that
we've never heard of who are making
hundreds of thousands of year $1 a year
teenagers binary watcher says all you
have to do is do what you do and put it
out there without any expectation from
anyone or anything and it will find a
life of its own true creativity and
creativity is the meaning of life yeah
put it out there cuz I and then there
was a time where this came Chris garner
says carpentry is my meditation yeah man
yeah it's different things for different
people and do do what you love and
that's what it is you can create you can
use carpentry to make things to help
people and to inspire people
trust me look at all of this stuff I
have behind me I've got some really cool
stuff that was done with digital lasers
and cutting out wood and things like
that and different things on my wall
right um somebody had to do it somebody
who was skilled in it and who loved to
do that and they did it and I bought it
and you know what I'm saying and that's
how it works and so whatever it is that
makes you heart be man
whatever makes your heart tick whatever
like set you on fire man pursue that and
use those practical techniques that
we've been talking about those spiritual
techniques that we've been talking about
to bring that into your reality whatever
it is even a spouse yes even a spouse
your job obviously he said well was
everything got to do with money was
always on my jobs and stuff listen
mostly I'm spending 40 50 hours a week
at a job that you don't like we need to
talk about that 40 to 50 hours a week
you get home you're exhausted you can't
do the things that you want to do you've
kind of I'm saying giving up on on your
on your dreams on your passing we need
to talk about it let's talk about it
that's a lot of time to be spending
doing something being at a place that
you don't like to be at least that was
me and trust me the only person I'm
speaking to is the young Derek out there
driving a truck why because I know it's
many Travis says that's me
I get those messages all the time even
people who were like driving drugs and
they're like bro your podcast helps me
get through I want to do this I'm stuck
I wanted to make it happen I believe you
I believe you could do it man if I could
do it I believe you can do it whatever
it is Chris Gardner says sometimes when
I'm woodworking my wife has to remind me
to eat yeah man you get caught up in
your passing and it's like time flies
just part of it so I wanted to be in
encouragement man because I needed
somebody to encourage me and I still
need people to encourage me binary
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me to drop the discord D our link to our
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there is video chat but we haven't
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messaging and all that kind of stuff
our community is building through
discord so that's available to man if
you have something that you can
contribute that
can help somebody if you see a need and
you can create a product or an idea or a
service that can help in a life you're
fulfilling a need no matter what it is
spiritual need yeah
it's trust me okay just turn on the
television man turn on the television
garner says kids make it hard to step
out of the job they make it hard but it
can be done it you know what the kids do
they kind of make it uh they make you
prove that you really want it because
you're not gonna pursue it if if you
don't want it especially with kids you
know so uh you know they do somebody a
good friend of mine and I know he didn't
mean harm but he told drew my buddy drew
he told him look man you know your best
he literally told him your best days are
behind you
you know give up and focus on your kids
it's what he told told him and that's a
fear right most of us have probably had
that fear this guy actually just
vocalized the the fear and I Andrew
coulda took that and say you know what
you're right I know it was kind of
discouraging but um he didn't let that
stop him man he he is pursuing his
dreams
he stepped out I stepped out in faith he
lost 200 pounds he wrote a book he met
one of his heroes like all of these
things that he would have not he's a
freaking huge inspiration to others
now what if he would have said okay you
know what you're right and their kids
had to see their dad
grow up
discouraged hating his job obese almost
400 pounds obese and they had with had
to see him die like that unfulfilled
like what does that do when you see your
dad obese and then you see him working
out everyday that's it
does it impart something that says look
you can do whatever you do you can do
whatever you want as long as you work
hard at it as long as you don't give up
even when people tell you look you
should give up look you should go home
get some rest
whatever keep it up don't give up and
you can accomplish anything that seems
like it all the reason not to do it
right you can this excuses right so many
excuses why you shouldn't work out every
day all you need a rest day you need a
cheat day you know I'm saying like all
of this stuff that kind of comes up but
that do drop 200 pounds man wrote a book
and encouragement and inspiration to
others and and there's all these reasons
against us even you know all of us every
single one of us you had to fight past
that that the voice of the naysayer Will
Smith had a quote man and you can look
up the video but he says the two most
important things in life are reading and
running so you're reading and running he
says yeah because reading all of the
people who have ever existed on the
planet write all of these scenarios
everything possible scenarios write all
the books that are out there there's
nobody who hasn't faced a problem that
hasn't wrote a book about it like
there's nothing new Under the Sun that
exists that there's not a book on so you
haven't a problem you're trying to get
to the bottom of you trying to find
answers font trying to find a way to do
this people are writing books I mean I
mean look at mark mark Ober he wrote a
book you need techniques you need things
you need ideas on how to do it read his
book I can tell you how I how this
happened for me I tried
vocalize it the best I can uh-huh in my
podcast this is what works I'm not
hiding anything so books and then he
said running and the running running was
interesting because it talks about that
we're talking about the naysayer right
he says running is important because
when you're on a treadmill when you're
on a bike when you're running there's a
little voice that eventually speaks to
you alright give up ok this is all you
could take we're tired let's go ahead
and stop let's stop and this is voice
trying to convince you to stop you know
it's like no if I want results I got to
keep going like there was you know that
voice wasn't there when I was slamming
cheeseburgers and milkshakes and
handfuls of fries that voice wasn't
there now watch this voice trying to
tell me to stop while I'm on the
treadmill to learn that voice that tells
you to give up it tells you to stop and
to keep keep going past it right you
have to learn with that that voice
sounds like there's other voices out
there trust me my sheep hear my voice in
a stranger's voice they will not follow
it let you know that there is a
stranger's voice out there that there
are other voices trying to compel you
trying to get you to come come and dine
come and sit at our table come and do
this learn to distinguish between the
voices so he said reading and running
are the two most important things in
life and I thought that was so powerful
we're talking about the the the the
voice that works against you cuz it's
there like there's a voice who can throw
you some excuses out there why you
certain we've had enough that's it for
the day you know all this kind of stuff
but you have to you have to know within
yourself if it's something that you want
and how bad do you want it you don't
want it bad enough ok I'll give it to
somebody who does trust me as somebody
coming up beside you behind you who
wants it way more than you are you
thinking about going outside your
marriage think about cheating on your
wife cheating on your husband you're
thinking about it guess what if somebody
who's been watching y'all for years who
would love to step into your situation
they would love to take your kids to the
park like they would love to have a
family have a faithful committed wife or
you thinking about that keep
entertaining it watch what happens
there's somebody out there who wants it
more than you you got to stay on your
game you got to do what is right
Stephanie promised man tomorrow's not
promised this this time every it's an
attitude of in an attitude of gratitude
and honor I give things and my method
there's a message in your presence that
for saf like you I approach everything
with gratitude first of all for you guys
for the support obviously for the
platform for the music for the friends
like everything for the even for the bad
stuff we're talking about demons people
talking about their demons and stuff I'm
thankful for that probably even more
thankful for that than for all the good
stuff because without that I wouldn't
know the contrast and you know we can go
down that path but um I'm thankful for
everything and with that you know I
understand responsibility I understand
stewardship you got to understand that
with those who are entrusted with much
much is required but those are only
entrusted with a little littles required
but the scripture which is truths it
says if you're faithful with the few the
few things I've given you I'll make you
ruler over more show me you can handle
that show me you can handle that 50 I'll
give you five thousand you can't handle
the fifteen overwhelming it's hard I
understand but just show me show me that
you can handle it
show me that you want it you know what
I'm saying that's what it's about my
video just cut off its back I think
we're back so faithful with a few I'm aq
rollover more be faithful with that
stuff maybe a good Stewart with your
time with your energy
your family whatever it is your platform
bigots to work with that stuff if I
could trust you with the small things
that make you ruler over much looks like
our Co our Co 2016 I can't really read
it's really small I kill a kil I want
somebody to take the well of a woman out
of my life somebody would love to Travis
are you a vegan and do you work out I'm
not a vegan and I do work out Chris
garner says without dark there was no
light binary watcher the Brethren says
you are a true seer mister true seeker
talent included thank you sir talent
included there is some new music
available via patreon I'm working on two
new projects one is entitled colors and
the other one is entitled the ESP EP and
they're both EPS 1 7 songs and one's
probably 5 songs or so but I'm halfway
through with both of them and I would
like to just finish one and get it out
the way and then work on the other but
like when the songs come they kind of
with these two albums being themed like
you know I'm saying they have to the
songs have to be about something and if
I have lyrics and courses and things
coming to me that are better suited on
another project and I have to put them
there that's just part of it but yeah
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Tim Reid says I'm tired of being told I
don't have Jesus in my life and that
ingesting plant medicine is against God
but depends on who you're talking to
that's what you're talking to is gonna
tell you that you know I'm saying so if
you hanging out with a bunch of church
kids I don't know who you hanging with
like who are you letting speak into your
life you know get you know I'm saying so
those naysayers like I still get it you
know and I still have to prove that I
believe what I talk about right and even
yesterday I had I had a former guest man
some guy I don't even really know him
like that but we did our episode and the
episode was decent it was like we kept
it Christian for the most part about
hearing the voice of God I knew the guy
was a Christian whatever I had a good
conversation with the guy but anyway
he's kind of lashed out at me and like
two different occasions kind of weird
posting stuff on his Facebook page that
I know he got from me you know from some
of my podcasts and stuff but anyway he
hit me up yesterday and it's so weird
because you get triggered and you want
to lash out you know what I'm saying you
want to do that and you got to hold your
peace you can't even know how bad you
want to you're gonna last out curse
these people out they'll screenshot it
and send it to everybody and all this
kind of weird stuff that goes on so
anyway I try my best to kind of just
have a dialogue and try to prove what I
believe to the person we're just making
all these weird accusations about me or
whatever the case is like I know I don't
owe them that but I want to give them
that I don't know o them anything but if
it's somebody who if I believe they're
really curious and they're in and
they're not just trolling or whatever
the case is then I'll try to spend time
with that person and let them know my
intent
show them the fruit whatever the case is
most of you guys can't see the work
being done on the back end physically
most of y'all can see it in the spirit
obviously if it's speaking to y'all you
know it's speaking to other people
a lot of people believe in and believe
in my work that way so they support
because of that because they can feel it
and they've been ministered to and they
know but not everybody can you know we
have I've had a lot of weird guests on
here and I have to let people know just
because I have a just cuz I don't cut
somebody off in mid-conversation because
they bring something else to the table I
don't mean I agree with them if I even
ever say I'm shaking my head I'm
listening like I don't agree with all
these guests that come on here man and
the weird thing is the more guests I'm
having on here the more I just want to
do solo podcasts just cuz like a lot of
weird stuff
it's just weird dilemmas man I'm just
have to be open man like I don't believe
in all this stuff but I like I'm
interested let's have the conversation
you know I'm a lot of times I'll pick
other things out of the conversation
like the psychology behind it why this
person wanted this person telling me
this and why is this person marketing
this aspect of themselves you know I'm
saying like the different I have more
questions
I enjoy the conversation a lot of times
but but just because I have somebody on
here does it doesn't mean that I vouch
for them or whatever the case is and a
lot of times even though I don't cut
them off or I don't object or they speak
something that I know is not true or or
have a believe the opposite to be true
I'll try to straighten it up in my
little post podcast arts or whatever you
know and I don't want to it's not it's
not my my goal to tear anybody down my
it's not my goal to disprove people it
doesn't make me feel better I know how
the ego works I know how religion works
I know how that works to make you you
feel better I'm not doing that
so it's just not what I do here take it
up with George Noory
I learned from him I love I love the way
he interviews people and he'll just let
people call in and say you know I had
these crazy stories and he just let him
go man and he's I'm pretty sure part of
hims interested but then I'm pretty sure
part of him is you know wants to call BS
too and he has and I
so you know it's just what you get man
I'm I'm having the I'm having the
uncomfortable conversations that a lot
of people can't have especially where I
come from so put it that way I'm in the
Bible Belt how many people are talking
about this stuff here
all right so Desiree says your thoughts
on deliverance
I had a she said I had a very weird
experience a couple weeks ago I believe
in in deliverance I believe in
counseling I believe in casting out of
demons I believe in the laying on of
hands spiritually and psychologically I
believe that they're both practical I
believe that you know and strongholds
and demons in the Bible or thought-forms
in the mind right
binary Watcher says but if your God is
of denomination then why are you ask
yourselves that God is going out to
anyone that sees it that way okay Tim
again says proving my side to my loved
ones to them is trying to debunk the
Bible thanks for your advice I mean like
I said you know the closing words I had
with mark is that you know most of the
stuff that he's talking about like I can
give you scriptures on most of that
stuff and there's the weird thing is
like most of this so-called new wage or
so called a cult or so-called spiritual
or whatever it's in the Bible and it's
in is not against it like it's proving
it like Jesus used ESP Jesus used
telepathy the disciples went into trance
States all of these kind of things right
and it's proven within the Bible so
those are the type of things that the
Christian right will try to you know
out-of-body experiences it's in the
Bible it's in the books that were taken
out angels visiting shapeshifters
leviathans dragons witches wizards it's
all in the Bible man Tim move Tim ooh
priestess heart 108 says I found your
show after the cult priestess was on
that was a wonderful show thank you
interesting
thank you watcher set binary watcher
says very rarely I comment but I'm
always watching garner says your music
got me interested the podcast got me
excited but your authentic authenticity
keeps me coming back I need to make
stickers out of that it's good um I
didn't Desiree says about her
deliverance she says a demon came out of
me during meditation that's awesome yeah
I believe that yeah I believe in um
deliverance I believe in I didn't even
know I had one for real that's what she
says that's most of the time right
because they like to masquerade as just
beings as a part of you like a familiar
spirit they're familiar with your family
your lineage they've been with you
they've been with you it was your mother
you know I'm saying in a speaking
third-person you make you feel like you
want to do those things
it's a voice speaking to you and it
makes you feel like it's you so you so
therefore you don't even know that you
had one hopefully like after hopefully
you can notice a difference right if you
rid yourself of spirits or unclean
entities or whatever then you can you
can feel different you feel more
clear-headed you see things more
beautifully like whatever they are lying
to you they're usually lying seductive
spirits that lied to you about people
about God about the Bible you know what
I'm saying like all of this type of
stuff so hopefully you feel lighter and
and you take that with you that's what
happens for me I've had it happen you
know many many times I've had like the
deep crazy ones and then I've had well I
just fill them leave man when I just
released unconfessed sin and released
things I've been trying to like uncuff s
in and stuff you trying to hide from
people trust me somebody who's had
pornography addiction and they've been
hiding it from people in the moment you
tell somebody there's a release
you confess your sins one to another so
that you can find healing there's a
release when you speak up speak about it
why do you think people who have
committed murders and all types of
heinous crimes eventually they go turn
themselves in and say I couldn't live
with myself but once I told you once I
gave myself up look even though I know
I'm gonna have to suffer the
consequences I can at least sleep at
night and you and you bring it into the
light even though you've messed up even
though you've done wrong you bring it to
the light and you confess it binary says
low love George Noory dude it's a
grandmaster Titan he is skilled at never
alienating anyone no matter what yeah
man he's done it a couple times but for
the most part I like his his style right
these people like you know they I don't
know man I wasn't with these people I
don't know if they telling me the truth
or not all I could do is take their word
for it I can tell you what the Bible
says I can tell you what I've
experienced I can tell you what other
books say you know but um I wasn't with
you
like I wasn't there so how can I might
be the final judge and say no that
didn't happen nobody can nobody can
maybe it did maybe it didn't maybe
they're making it up in their great
storytellers maybe they believe their
own story that they made up there's a
lot of that going on Travis's stationery
slaps Flat Earth thoughts I don't really
have thoughts on it I'm a I'm a I'm a
lean more tool uh I've just kind of
really it's kind of weird but just
intuitively have always felt like
they're worthless full hell when I was a
kid so but I don't know man I did an
interview with Santos Bonacci if you
haven't seen that one I think he's one
of the world's most Leaney leading
experts on flat Earth's I think that he
gave up his platform for pursuing
platters flat earth platters and I had
him on to kind of school me on it and I
just picked his brain I don't have a I
don't know I don't think none of us know
I believe the ancients believed in it
I'll say
much timrie to so many Bibles which one
do you suggest um
it don't matter it really don't matter I
like to read from the King James Version
just because it sounds
it helps me was looking words up in
phrases in terms were like breaking down
the Greek in Hebrew because it's the
closest that you can break that down in
but as far as trying to read it man that
you can go with the NIV NIV was the
first one I read I started in Matthew
and just read through most people that
you start in John I like to say start in
Matthew that's why I started me and my
wife read it all the way through
together I say started Matthew NIV is
good you know binary says I meant to say
if your God is no denomination then why
are you there you go that's what I said
yes after the demonic experiences that
she felt light afterwards yes oh my god
I didn't even realize my bondage was so
intense yeah man
in it and - until the Holy Spirit
reveals it to you man most of the time
you don't you know I have encounters I
wrote about it in my book about dealing
with my mom you know my mom always
telling me I was stupid and my mom
telling me this and little little - my
mom's telling me that she you know heard
her over say you know she wanted that
she should have had an abortion this was
in like a private conversation with a
friend and she said she wanted to have
enough she said out an abortion way and
all just weird stuff the stuff builds up
man and it creates strongholds in your
mind ideas that go against the knowledge
of God right it go against what God says
about you I love you you're fearfully
and wonderfully made I've got a plan for
you a plan to prosper you a plan to
bless you and not to harm you all of
these things and then you hear other
people saying other things you start
believing the lie over the truth so for
me you don't and that opened the door
for some spirits to come in for some
ungodly beliefs to take
you know form and my thoughts and I
begin to believe it and you know was
through revelation of the Holy Spirit
were you know spending time in prayer I
was actually cutting grass one day and I
felt the Holy Spirit tell me you got a
demon hey what the heck I just just got
born again I think I was like sixteen
which was in 98 the Holy Spirit said you
got a you got a demon it's because of
your mom so what didn't know what it was
so anyway I found out that night and put
it that way I got deliverance confessed
it told some people look at this that's
what I thought I heard the Lord say sure
enough had a manifestation you know so I
was screaming violently crying tensing
up all that crazy stuff man this was not
as a teenager but I felt really good
afterwards I could finally look at my
mom and tell her I love her and meant it
Kris garner says confession is the key
to self forgiveness but the church took
that away from the individual and
appropriated it as it was to keep
control and use people's sins against
them you may be a thot no no it's true
man that's true they're telling you you
know it is true they got to be careful
who you confess things to you definitely
have to trust them and have rapport with
those people some people just go to
anybody they're just so free they just
tell anybody you know so unsaved your
mind says the most important thing is to
be conscious what you put into your body
vegan or not and what they try to sell
you and that means not only a physical
diet but also what information you take
in yep yeah be careful and that's the
only thing that I have to and I always
catch myself with this but I mean that's
what I have to UM
catch myself I don't know what all these
guests are doing you know I'm saying I
don't even most of time won't even know
who these guests are couple myself I use
I use a
a company a lot of times to get guests
on who are making the rounds and doing
podcast and it is because of spiritual
and metaphysical people and paranormal
and sometimes biblical or whatever and I
get these emails and so for these people
and I try to do a quick you know
overview on these but I can't do a full
background check and all this stuff like
I had that one lady on a couple weeks
ago and we're having a good conversation
about consciousness about life and then
all of a sudden she says she's in a
relationship with the ashtar command and
the intimate romantic relationship and
they just blew my mind
so like I wouldn't have had that
conversation with her even though it you
know it is interesting and I guess I
enjoyed it you know but it would just
blew my mind I was like man you know so
I have to look at myself and say man
what am i promoting like cuz I know
inquiring minds want to know when people
are gonna look this lady up they're
gonna look at her work they're gonna
look at her books they're gonna look at
all this stuff so I so I'm kind of in a
sense responsible for you know
introducing that work to somebody and I
can see why people are like look man
you're promoting other stuff I'm not
promoting it but I will say this that I
do trust the work of the Holy Spirit
enough to lead you down the path you
need to be on no matter who it who it's
with or what it's with trust me man the
platform's gotten so crazy over time
that's why I like to do a lot of solo
stuff but even then if I mention an idea
I mentioned the Kundalini I mentioned
the Holy Spirit how they're one in the
same someone may do investigative work
on the Kundalini what it is and you may
be led to a false teacher or somebody
who believes something different and
they teach about the Kundalini but they
teach you all these other things with it
and so it's it's always gonna be that
though so I can't like I don't babysit
anybody it's not not my job to babysit
anybody but it is my job to you know to
protect my platform and to trust the
Holy Spirit's work in your life just
like I trust him in my life I trust him
in your life whatever path God the
divine creator has for you to check
something out here a little there a
little whatever
is I trust that man that's between you
it you got to get your relationship
right with the father man not me like
that's between y'all so if you
understand that going going in then you
understand that moving forwards is that
God can use anything and anyone to speak
to you just like he used Balaam and the
donkey speaking speaking from a donkey
if God can use a donkey if God can use
all of these rejects in illiterate
people in the Bible people who couldn't
it Moses couldn't even formulate a
sentence like I look at Moses story and
it can see encouragement to me Moses
couldn't talk early on a lot of times
you had to have an interpreter he had
his sister speak for him right motors
using all these rejects killers you know
I'm saying like sailors or like
fishermen people who were like rough
around the edges and stuff uses those
people God can use us God can use
whoever he wants he can use this lady
with a stockman he can I believe it he
does it uses everything binary says why
the hell do you not have a twitch
channel I do have a twitch channel and I
was simulcasting like streaming on
everything Facebook Twitter YouTube
everything all at once it became to be
too much of a hassle and so I'm not
gaming live streaming gaming sometimes I
want to but you got to understand like
live stream a gaming light sometimes
that brings out the bad side of me man
I'm so competitive man so I don't want
it might not want to uh televise all
that stuff I get mad I get heated way so
but as far as streaming gaming that's
why I don't really do that I gain me and
my wife game I have friends that I game
with you know I like that scene
yup binary says I love your guest and
also how it love how you bring it down
to your foundation after the fact got a
look at him and not everybody has the
same foundation you know not everybody
has the same foundation I may say a word
or a phrase and other people interpret
it this way or say it that way or I may
have too much gray so I may have be too
open you know what I'm saying these type
of things and it just rubs people the
wrong way and then chris garner says
yeah because I definitely can't game
stream on here garner says game and made
the spiritual people mad when they got
to see that I was a real person he's a
real bully yeah they didn't like the
fact that I played Pokemon with my
family and uh you know that was so funny
man like going through that stuff that
was kind of a weird transition for me
too but it was weird to get hate mail
and stuff from people about that and
people sending me stuff like it was
funny it was just one case I um this guy
messaged me it's like you're playing
Pokemon I hope you know when you open
that app they take pictures of your
entire house and they know where
everything is inside your house and can
hear you and all of this stuff he's like
talking about all this weird fear-based
conspiracy I hope you know you're doing
that you're giving them permission
there's an agreement that you signed
when you open the app and it gets them
gives them all your information so we
just did some investigative journalism
my wife went to his looked up his name
copy this he used this guy uses his real
name on his YouTube channel my wife
copies his name puts it into Facebook
pulls up his uh Facebook page where he's
offering everything about his life hi my
name is so-and-so I work here I do this
I do that my girlfriend's name is
so-and-so I'm in a relationships got her
link you know what I'm saying Scott has
dad's
named family he's just offering it to
the world he because we want people to
know who we are we want them to look at
us hey hey look look at my house you
know I'm Sam obviously look at Facebook
you're offering information man look I'm
scared I'm glad I didn't have the
internet when I was young man out of
robbed y'all quick like people like I
used to break into houses and I was a
delinquent like if people are like
posting pictures from Disney World and
all of this stuff you know what I'm
saying and uh when they're at work and
they post their schedule long another
long day at work 12 hour shift got this
for another six weeks oh really okay you
gonna be out of your house man
I don't I don't know how I thank God for
Jesus man technology was a little bit
behind me but I just know the type of
person I was people are offering you're
volunteering information you ever owned
the job you ever had those friends were
like they just start telling the boss
all types of stuff about everybody
they're just volunteering information i
ho let me tell the boss we did what you
know you know they just volunteering
information they can't hold water people
are giving that stuff out on Facebook
they love you too they want you to know
who they are notice me senpai notice me
but then he's like mad that you know I'm
saying that like opening Pokemon they
know where you are bro
someone wife gets all this information
on him and she just responds in a
comment and she lists all his stuff hi
my name is so-and-so so-and-so I work at
blah blah blah
my girlfriend's name is so-and-so last
week we went to Denny's for dinner
and we had a great time and went and see
this movie at blah blah blah and she's
just going to his time and she wrote
this little paragraph say okay you
talking about you giving them too much
information look you put that stuff out
there you want these people to know who
you are you're volunteering all this
stuff on Facebook crazy
Chris garner says well if the CIA ever
needs to borrow a cup of sugar they know
where to look it's in the cupboard man
um it's like Mandy you know they're
listening to you what are you doing you
hiding something I think if you're hot I
mean obviously maybe a privacy invasion
but then again people are just giving
herself I talk to I've talked to a lot
of people who they cover up their webcam
you know they have a black piece of tape
or a black cloth over it you know over
their webcam and stuff and you know
different reasons man but I mean I don't
have nothing to hide I want you to know
what I'm doing
that's what I got a podcast look I just
interviewed someone so share it out let
people know you know so um and I've had
people who who won't have those deep
conversations whether it's about aliens
whether it's about angels or the Bible
or whatever they want to they want me to
sign up for like an alternative email
address that is untracked and I didn't
want me to go and sign up and confirm in
and use this to talk to them and go and
check it I'm like almost I talk about my
stuff openly my guess is what I do like
I have a podcast like promoting the
secrets you know what I'm saying like I
don't have nothing to hide we want me to
sign up for this email - buh buh bah bah
so hold on if you're trying to I might
not want to know the stuff you're trying
to tell me I just like the dark web type
stuff Silk Road like that's crazy stuff
I don't want it might not want to know
this stuff you're telling me I've had
there's some weirdos out there man you
never know where people are coming from
have one guy jumping into discord one
day and he was like he had this plan to
overtake the government or something I
wanted to know if I was in I'm like nah
man like I'm doing my part raising the
awareness raising the consciousness
helping people spiritually mentoring
people like I'm doing what I'm supposed
to be doing no we got to do this we
supposed to overtake it we got overcome
like man you don't get out of my face
how about this kind of stuff man
no no I had wonder years ago when I was
into the NWO and all that stuff I was on
podcasts and other people shows back in
the day about the Illuminati New World
Order and this one guy he was on there
and he was like here's the old man he
was like uh yeah man I got my website
set up and we uh we're selling all these
different equipment to help you in the
world you know comes to an inn and water
and writes and there was selling
crossbows was I guess he got the most
commission off for crossbows but he was
like giving this big excerpt on how like
if the government's coming to overtake
you you get this crossbow and you lined
six people up and everybody loads their
crossbows and when the first person
shoots it they shoot it like an assembly
line and when it gets to the six person
by Tom it gets to that sixth person the
first person has enough time to already
reload and be ready to shoot again this
man was like trying to I was like brah
can you talk to you about this man I'm
sorry like I don't want to I'm not
trying to talk about that's not me you
got the wrong guy
you go find somebody of there's other
people who love to had that conversation
or to say man look y'all crazy
so weird man but um Tim who says yes the
Holy Spirit she will never lead you
astray
this Shekinah Chuck and uh she kind of
glory of God yep you got it you have to
learn it to that voice for yourself
there's people who are lead you astray
man everybody else here out here saying
one thing doing another everybody's got
a voice everybody's got the way
everybody's got the truth everybody's
got the life but then ain't nobody at
the end of the day have any fruit
nobody's you know they just building
platforms there's a bunch of craziness
man so you have to go within for
yourself you have to be able to judge
all things and said don't judge they
don't judge judge ins nasty no a
spiritual man judges all things you
should be able to tell right from wrong
and be able to know what is good and
what isn't like that shouldn't be like
everybody should be able to have at
least that much discernment if not
you're gonna get swept up into a
I trust me I've had people hit me up on
here wanting me to interview cult
leaders saying no I'm not doing it I'm
not debating with cult leaders on here
and I certain that I have standards man
so I do have standard even though we may
talk about whoever channeling the energy
or channeling so-and-so of the Dead or
whatever the case is let's have the
conversation I'm not trying to have a
cult leader on here man not I'm not
doing it it's just me I got my standards
you know I have before I have before
I've definitely had them on here before
so yeah I mean with that I'm gonna go
ahead and call it an episode of the true
seeker podcast two hours and twelve
minutes I enjoyed it enjoyed hanging out
with you guys thank you
Austin Kerr for the donation I did see
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Chris garner says best podcast ever
thank you he says again thank you
brother
um this episode well he's like I like
each episode you do it's the best the
best of ask it's getting better and
better
it's weird man cuz like having these
guests on like some people not some it
seems like the majority of the people
like the controversial stuff I'm like
bringing it home these days I really am
I try to bring it home this is what
works this doesn't do this spirituality
let's get it in let's meditate let's
pray
let's do this you know I don't really
get into a lot of conspiracies or even
look watch a lot of videos maybe I
should hell I don't know but I've a lot
of people what they like the
controversial stuff you know I get the
most views I get the most clicks I get
the most likes but I never want to feel
like I'm doing something to get that I
mean the content the titles and stuff
like the images and stuff like that's
just gonna reach out to the people who
are interested in that type of stuff so
I like that that I don't have like
mass-market or manipulate or something
like hey this episode is about this if
you're into it let's build listen to it
but it just seems like a lot of people
like the controversial stuff or maybe
that stands out about the regular stuff
Chris garner says shift happens Travis
says look up Dave
Winton winning tonight YouTube and
research geoengineering true second I'll
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