How Psychedelics Have Helped Me Heal… Joel Lambert – TruthSeekah Podcast

Navy SEAL Joel Lambert Has A Life-Changing Encounter With Ibogaine & 5-MeO-DMT - TruthSeekah Podcast
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days of our lives, so much stuff, Hancock, Joe Lambert, welcome to the Trucica podcast,
my friend, how are you?
Truth, I'm good, thanks for having me on man.
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you just went through.
It sounds amazing.
It's so much, and there's so much that I didn't go through.
That's the bad thing.
He's like, what are we promote?
What are we promote?
We need to get clear on what we're promoting down the pipeline, but it's so much stuff
going on, right?
I'll be going right after we're done for sure.
But sure, man, a good friend of mine, Drew Banky,
hit me up, sent me a message, like,
hey, man, there's this guy you got to have him on your podcast,
told me your name, he was on these shows,
he was on the manhunt, he was,
they take him and drop him off in the wood,
and he chase his people, and there's all this crazy stuff
I'm like, man, sounds good, he's like, well,
he had an awakening, man, he did a found healing
through psychedelics, and I know it'd be right up your alley.
So, do you know him?
What's your relationship with Drew?
We know each other through social media pretty much.
I'd say podcast for psychedelics today a couple months ago talking about my experiences and you know
Just like anything else my spiritual journey has been a long one from
Before I can remember but I had a
We'll get into it. I'm sure I had a
Phenomenal healing and awakening experience with Ibogaine and five and meo DMT with other Navy seals
just about a year ago and
And since then, that has been a quantum leap in everything.
And my lived experience, my spirituality, and everything.
And I've been in posting about all those sorts of things
and Drew and I connected that way.
And hopefully we're going to work together on something pretty soon as well.
That's awesome. Yeah, he's a good brother.
I had him on here and he's begging me to come out there with him.
And I need to make it up there to see him.
But definitely want to say his name.
Good brother like we're gonna just jump in and there's so many places to start you just mentioned that
We'll go into the detail about that experience, but you're still doing your thing
You're still like in Hollywood essentially you're still working you're still in the business most people are like
I gotta get out of here. It's the furthest thing
Not everybody can stay. Okay. I'm not gonna freak out. I'm not gonna freak out. I'm gonna stay here
This is where I'm supposed to be. What's that like?
well you know I kind of have to correct that a little bit because I have stepped
away from most of it because just through this experience and through this
awakening process you know you're discernment your third eye your spiritual
discernment whatever you want to however you want to couch you in those
terms whatever terms you want to use you see much more clearly you begin to see
things without really trying to look for them they just you just begin
understanding. And the whole situation in Hollywood is just one of a dirty
sessp. I mean, it's just nasty, nasty place. And I don't want anything to do
with it. I've kind of, I want to say sort of retired from appearing on television.
I mean, I just did a couple of new shows last night and so inside addition and
stuff. But as far as wanting to be in front of the camera, I think those days are pretty
much over. I've got another project and I'm moving into that I'm leveraging everything
that I've done and all of my experiences. You know, I do all this acting and scripted stuff,
which is great and I love doing that and I love the creativity of it. But like Manhunt,
the Discovery Channel shows I do. Now it's taking all of my skills from the SEAL teams.
Everything I know, everything I should have known and I don't know. It's everything
I can possibly do the drop of me in to a undisclosed location in another country and
giving me like 48 hours to make it to a certain point.
And that country's special operations force, fugitive recovery team or specialty track
community comes in with all of their assets and tries to track me down and take me down
before I escape.
So it's all the skills I have.
It's my on camera skills because I'm working with the camera as we're doing this.
And then my strategy, my tactics, my wits, it's everything that has ever gone into making
this incarnation Joel Lambert is all on display and all there to be tested.
And that there's nothing more fulfilling and challenging than that, I can imagine.
Well, you don't have to be somebody else, exactly the opposite, yes.
When I'm being myself under the most insane, stressful duress that I can, and it's all
up to me, whether I win or lose, or how I conduct myself in the most stressful situations
that you put a man in.
How long has that been running?
Well, that was I did two seasons internationally, it aired 240 different countries and
territories worldwide, and then I got in a motorcycle accident at the end of the second
season and destroyed my foot.
And I had another series called Predators Up Close.
I was doing for Discovery Channel,
and we'll find it also.
My foot was smashed,
and I was forced to recover for a year,
lost all my shows,
and kind of re-established my career.
I was just about to move out of California at that point,
and just kind of settle out and Wyoming or something.
And then I got the motorcycle accident,
so that shut everything down.
I had to stay in Los Angeles and get my career
going again and heal back up.
and over the course of that,
you know, my career got going again
and now I'm not in Nashville,
but as far as auditioning or working anything,
I've got a movie coming out next year
that I was in with Ron Perlman
that's gonna be an awards movie,
it's an incredible film,
but aside from that coming out,
I'm not gonna be probably doing much else
on film and television.
Nice, nice.
So yeah, you did back out.
I didn't drop it and run away from it.
I just realized what I wanted a little bit of.
Yeah, it's not feeding me and I'm not feeding the world
through that in a way that I want to do, you know?
That's what's up, man.
Man, I don't want to do.
I don't want to do it.
Let's talk a little bit about the spiritual awakening,
what that means.
We hear a lot about psychedelics.
We hear a lot about plant medicine.
I mentioned different plant medicines that we can work with
but people think about ayahuasca,
they think about cyber mushrooms and things like that.
They're really helping and aiding people and healing, really.
But a lot of people, that's kind of a nuance
when the Ibogaine, you know, the DMT,
can you explain what that is before we get into
this whole story and why it called out to you.
I'll say that.
Yeah, well, Ibogaine is kind of the,
I didn't know what these substances were,
these medicines were when I was presented.
Let me, if I wanted, let me back up
to kind of start my spiritual journey
and lead up to that.
I'm gonna give you context on me.
So I grew up in the church my whole life.
And so kind of by default Christianity,
but it didn't really have a lot of my own ownership
in that was just through parents and family.
And then in high school, when I was about 17 years old,
I had a profound spiritual experience
at one of the churches that I was going to.
And it just launched me.
I had, I mean, how could this be anything other
than the ultimate master truth,
you know, I've never experienced anything like this.
And so I was just 100% sold out committed Christian.
It was amazing for several years.
And then, you know, the Western Christian church
and all of that stuff kind of,
I don't wanna say I stepped away or anything.
kind of fell off of me and it wasn't fulfilling me. During that time, my whole life, I had always
been fascinated with Eastern religion, Eastern thought, Bushido and the samurai and the coat of
the warrior and all that, which kind of fed my pursuits into the SEAL teams in special operations.
But I'd always read a lot of zinn books and fascinated with co-ons and things like that.
But I never really had in my little vlogging town in Washington state, there wasn't a lot of
exposure to, you know, zen temples or anything like that.
So I didn't have really any connection to it,
except for what I would read.
Then, you know, I went into the Navy,
one of the steel teams and Afghanistan
and all the stuff that came along with that.
I came out of it, I don't wanna say messed up
because more guys are way more messed up than I was
and I felt pretty good about everything.
But, you know, my body was beat up, broken,
and your mind as well.
I felt that those wiring harnesses and cars
have the giant connectors that connect like 40 wires together.
I felt like all these wiring harnesses
between my heart and my head had just been disconnected.
Everything was still there.
There was disconnect.
And so when I got out of the Navy,
some of the things I did to pursue healing
was acting classes, connecting with emotional stuff
and things like that.
But then I also started to sit meditation.
And so I learned, I went to Zinn Temple
in Santa Monica, California, and I began sitting there.
There's so much of the spirituality in Los Angeles
in Southern California can be very
to a lot of different stuff.
It's not, it's not, it's not, it doesn't stand on its own.
It becomes whole persona, it becomes a whole ego thing,
a whole ego trip.
And I found this Zinn Temple,
and I was trying to find a place to meditate.
I found a zen temple and I went and sat one morning at like 4.30 or 5 a.m. with a morning meditation.
And the sin sai, the zen temple full, it was a full sin sai.
So we had all the full robes, all the ornate layers of robes and everything.
And he had an American flag patch on his shoulder, just like my uniform.
And the dude was a carpenter and I started talking to him and I really connected to him.
So I started going early mornings and sitting at the zen temple.
So I learned zazen.
I learned zen meditation was my first exposure to that.
And it really, all the benefits of meditation started coming along.
And then I learned transcendental meditation
through the David Lynch Foundation,
started to sit, TM, and began a meditation practice.
And over the course of about 10 years
after I got out of the Navy,
and as I was doing my Hollywood career,
I was meditating a lot.
And that was the, that healed so much in me.
And so then I started hearing these rumors and stuff
about some psychedelic program for Navy SEALs,
for other guys.
And whenever I'd hear somebody mention something about it
or tweet something or talk about, you know,
Facebook with a bro, they'd be like,
I signed an NDA, I can't talk about that,
but I always stuck in my head.
I'm like, I want to know about that
because that's everything that I want to know about.
And that's the pursuit I want.
And so I've been to it to a friend of mine.
And she said, oh, that's probably the Ibogaine program.
And I'm like, that sounds right.
And she says, one of my good friends is running out.
I'm like, I hook me up, you know?
And so she introduced me to this, her friend
who friend who introduced me to the doctor, Martine Polanco, who has run an Ibogaine program
in Mexico for a very long time called Crossroads, and has worked with mostly heroin addicts
down there, you know, with addiction and eruptors. Because Ibogaine is a addiction and
eruptor. It's, they call it the great grandfather of psychedelics. It's a hardcore. It's
hardcore. It's a root of West African shrub that the witty and the pygmies use. And it is,
It's like a 36 hour trip. Oh, wow. Yeah, I didn't I didn't know any of this stuff.
So I'm I'm they've signed up for it and they're they're sending me this program vets,
Marcus and Amber Capone to seal the seal of his wife who had this profound healing starter program
where they would send other seals down there to experience this healing after he went.
It was like, oh my god, I got everybody down here. And so they provided funds for me to go down.
And so I did a little bit of research. I didn't do much research, but what they did send me was some
pre-work, like a little booklet of questions and stuff to go through.
And so I took it very seriously and started reading through everything and answering these questions
about myself and what I wanted and all kinds of delving into your psyche and your spirituality on this.
And as I'm doing this stuff the week before I go down stuff starts coming up.
I'm starting having these things happen to me with family and with friends and with
ways I used to look at myself and they're all coming up and things I have shoved down,
I don't want to, you know, for my steel career from just my own life, I buried that I didn't want
out of shame or disgust. I didn't want to, you know, look at those things. They started coming up
in a very palatable way. And I'm like, this is very strange. And one of the facilitators
that was putting me together in this program said, the medicine will start working before you take
it. I'm like, said that. I'm like, okay, hippie, you know, right on. And then these things started
coming up. I'm like, wow, this is fascinating. Stuff is coming up now. It medicine really is
working. Once I said yes to it, right, it's like, oh, yeah, there's the act of matter.
Exactly. Well, time and space are both illusions. And so this impact from a psychedelic
Okay, hit me in all directions. What's that? I said, okay, hippie.
Right back at me. So, uh, so we go down on a Friday night for this weekend in Mexico.
to do this healing program. And the first thing is, is we get down there and there's there's four
other guys, five guys total, one ranger and four other seals. And I only know one of them, we all
get to know each other pretty well. And the ranger has since become a good friend of mine. He's a
very involved in this psychedelics world. Nathan Poll, I don't know if you know him, but he's a
really knows this stuff in plant medicines. But we go down. And the first night, I've
again is one of the only psychedelics that can be physically dangerous to ingest. And so before
we're doing the Ibogaine, you know, they do all take a urine to your analysis and, you know,
heart monitors and all kinds of stuff. And so we have a ceremony that night. And they give us
So this Ibogaine dose is based on our body weight and we write down what we want to leave behind on a little piece of paper, we burn them in a flame, we have a little ceremony.
Is that drinking or smoking? It's just consuming capsules.
Capsules, okay.
So the Iboga is the bark of this root and then they extract the active ingredient, the Ibogaine and then they measured out for your body weight and just put it in capsules.
And so they have a little dish,
and it's like a sacrament, you know,
and we all take our capsules and say a prayer.
And then we're led upstairs to these mattresses.
It's gonna be all-night experience.
And so they sage and smudge you and cleanse you.
And the thing is, is that I've been around all the saging
and smudging and cleansing and stuff in soul cycles
and yoga studios and stuff in Los Angeles.
And it's always felt very hollow.
But down here, all the stuff that's happening
feels very weighty, feels very gravitas.
There's a lot of truth and reality that's happening
in everything that's going on.
We lay down on these mattresses.
There's a medical personnel all around.
They've got heart monitors on us,
and O2 monitors on our fingers.
And we lay down and have eyeshade,
and I'm laying back, and I'm like,
I don't know, I have no idea what's about to happen.
I read one guy's account of what his eye began experience
was like, and it was beautiful, and it was light,
and there was a green dragon that was flying around,
taking him through the universe,
and I'm like, well, that would be pretty cool.
I'm down for that, you know?
And so I lay back and I'm waiting for something to happen
and nothing's happening.
And then boom, it hits me.
And there's this nightmare buzzing began in my ears,
that cape, which is very weird.
It was shaped like this, the buzzing.
And it begins buzzing in my ears.
And truth, it was a nightmare in 4K is what it was.
It just turned into this, it was hell.
I descended into hell, my own personal hell.
And it was hideous.
And all night long, I just experienced this hell.
And there were these alien people around that had no souls.
There were people, but they had no soul.
I can't get all of the stuff that I saw.
But these visions were more, it was clearer
than anything I've seen with my eyes.
I've never seen anything with the clarity
that I saw with my eyes closed on that mattress on my eyes.
Was there a screaming or is there a cry in like what was your physical body doing during this little body?
I begin to dry heat
I began to wretch and I just dry heating purging mass of purging nothing came out
But was you know now I know what it was it was this purging for a long time and people were hanging on to me because I've again
The first four or five hours things can happen and so you need to be monitored medically if you're going to participate in eye
began experience. And so that I'm laying back down, there was not a lot of physical result. Like,
I felt you feel very disconnected. It feels like you are 100% in a dream and also 100% awake.
And the dream feeling is the kind of dream feeling that you remember. You're like, oh, this is
what a dream feels like. I don't ever remember it because I'm dreaming when I have this feeling.
But now I feel it. And this is a dream and I'm totally in a dream, but I also can stand up.
but your body doesn't work.
It works in a gross way.
Like if I were to move my arm up,
I could move up like this,
but I couldn't do anything subtle or anything specific
or detailed with it, you're very,
I couldn't walk for about 20 hours, 24 hours.
Could trust myself to walk.
So you're laying there and all these visions
are coming and coming and coming and they're horrible
and they're painful and I'm not enjoying any of this.
There's no green dragons, you know?
There's just this frat alien fractal hell
with these shapes and faces that aren't faces,
but I know there are faces
folding out of this nightmare hell coming at me.
And I'm getting nothing from it.
Nothing makes any sense.
And I'm laying there trying to make sense of everything.
And finally at some point during that night,
I just let go and just let him come.
And I stopped trying to make sense or understand.
Yeah, it's happening to me.
Yeah, and just go with the ride.
I'm like, I want whatever the medicine has for me,
whether it's nothing or whether it's profound,
whether I understand it in six weeks
whether I understand it right now, it doesn't matter. I'm here for the medicine, and this
medicine is going to do what it's going to do, and I'm just going to participate. And
I let go. And one thing I've learned is that letting go is probably the most powerful
thing you can do in just about any circumstance. As I'm letting go, things just keep coming
the washing over me. At some point, the morning comes. And I see that it's light out.
And the the visions stop. And you move, this I begin is in two faces. There's a vision
area phase. And there's a contemplative or integrative or the secondary phase to it. And
the vision is a powerful vision stop. But I'm still in this trance. And I still can't
walk. And I can't really move. I'm starving. I haven't eaten anything because you're
doing this on the fasted state and I feel miserable. At some point in the
afternoon I finally felt okay enough to get up and walk down stairs to
have to go to the bathroom like crazy. So I walk down stairs and take a
piss. I'm super hungry and so I managed to get a banana off the counter I
think and I fall down and eat it on the ground. Everyone's looking at me like
wow this is kind of crazy and I go back upstairs and lay back down. I look at
the other guys and every single other guy is still frozen to his mattress
and some like terrible rictus of pain or discovery, you know, they're all just
twisted up on their mattresses. And so I go back to sleep,
ish, until that evening where we had a group dinner, we all go downstairs
and make it to the group dinner. I think I ate about two bites.
Some of the guys were screaming at the table, like moaning,
screaming like, screaming like, girl's like, oh,
they're trying to eat. I mean, these are big tattooed badass Navy Seals,
You know, just completely destroyed.
And I'm thinking, you know, this has to be something because it's really screwed up a whole bunch of badass dudes, you know.
So I get a couple bites in me and go back upstairs and and fall asleep for the night.
And at some point during that night, the the Ibogaine wore off and it ended.
and I went to sleep and when I woke up in the morning that next morning it's
now been an entire day and then that night and the next morning I wake up and I
feel you feel I felt destroyed and cramped and exhausted like when you wake up
after a fever broke after your sickness is over you know worn out but it's
it's over that's what it felt like I felt like myself again but I just been
beaten with bats and get up and and go downstairs and I'm I want to eat some breakfast but we're
going to do the five Mio DMT and we still can't eat yet so I go downstairs and oh I forgot
it's during that when I went downstairs at first time to get a banana and take a go to the bathroom
one of the facilitators asked me you know how I'm feeling I'm like you know I feel completely
messed up and she said go lay down on the couch and I go lay down and she went and got her
tuning force to do some energy work on me. And I'm like, okay, hippie, you know, but it just it
helped. It was amazing how much it helped. And I could feel that her actually moving this energy
I'd never felt anything like that before. But as I'm sitting there laying there, I'm still in
this trance. And as I'm laying there waiting for her to get her tuning force, I've got my phone
in my hand. I'm just kind of scrolling. I feel the weight of it. And I'm looking at, I don't know what
what I was looking at Instagram or something like that,
waiting for it to come.
And then as I'm looking at my phone scrolling,
I realize I don't have my phone.
My phone's been locked up for the whole weekend.
And I'm like, why, there are so many things that spoke to me
that I didn't see at the time.
It was just, it was a profound, crazy experience.
So we have another little fire ceremony.
We're gonna do the five Mio DMT,
which is the Toad Venom,
which is a variation of the DMT,
the dimethyl trip to me.
And I don't know anything about this.
I'm at the point where I'm like, you know, I've had enough
of psychedelics, I'm good.
You know, I had a profound experience, it was amazing.
I don't know, I have no idea, I'm completely disconnected
from anything but I feel like I'm beaten by about 14 elves
with small, little baseball bats up in my body.
Pretty good.
You know what, I all sit this one out.
And so we're down there and the guys are together
and they have another little ceremony.
They said, okay, the five in me-o is not at all
like the Ibogaine, it's a complimentary.
And if someone else said, you know, I think they've had enough to and she said,
just complimentary, you should really do this. And they're not saying any about this,
you really want to do this. I'm like, okay, so they're telling us a little bit about it.
They say, we're going to go individually because it's a short experience. And so we're going to go
in order. And I'm number three out of five. And one, there's a couple other seals down there
who are helping facilitate who had already been through the program. And one of them said,
I'll never forget you said, when you experience this, he said, it's like on a deep dive in the
ocean you're down a hundred feet and it's quiet and the pressure is immense and
it's deep blue colors and you're looking around it's beautiful and you're
looking around and it's amazing and you're like wow this is incredible and
then you look over to your right and there's a there's a this there's a pit
that drops down and you said if you have it in you go down there because that's
where the jewels are. I said okay well I'm in this for the whole shebang a
whole inch a lot I'm like I'm I want it all whatever it is if it kills me cool
I just want the whole experience. I'm here for the medicine and it's gonna and that
was something you smoked right the DMT? Yes the DMT we we we smoked so then I go
outside by the pool and I bring my little journal because it says it's helpful to
journal at this point waiting for my turn to experience the the five M. Yale and so I walk
outside and I'm sitting down there with my journal and I write I have the page from this is crazy
right I don't I am my head and my my brain and my body are not in sync nothing is working together
like three different entities and I kind of scribble that out and I write the the I began made
note it was like a nightmare in 4k it made no sense to me then or now I hope it does at some point
I had expectations for as much as I tried not to I have no expectations for the 5mio I don't
you know what it is. So, you know, it'll be what it'll be. And right when I finish writing that,
I hear a scream from the house about 50 feet away. The first guy is screaming like,
like his head's being cut off. I'm like, wow, okay. And then as I'm sitting there waiting,
after he screamed, I just have this realization. I have this feeling as I'm sitting there,
I'm like I feel clean. I feel completely clean. I feel like everything that has accumulated in my life
from the time I was two to the time I'm 48 has been washed out and has gone. And I don't know,
I've never felt anything like this. I didn't know it was possible. I only noticed it was there
because it's gone now, never noticed. It was like all the scar tissue for my entire life,
little ones and big ones is just all taken away. And I just sat there savoring this feeling of pure
freedom and complete unattachment to anything. And it was the most beautiful feeling. And I thought,
if this is the only thing, if this is, if nothing happens on the five and you know, this is,
this is amazing. None of those visions, none of that experience made sense, but this feeling right here,
I felt like it was a fresh snowfall and all the paths and all the roads and all the dirty tires
and all the mud puddles had all been covered up. They're all probably still there but it's a complete
new landscape for me to do anything I wanted in it. It was a pure fresh start and it was
profound and beautiful. So then my turn for the 5mio goes and so I go upstairs and there's about
about five or six of them all dressed in white,
waiting around one mattress, the doctor and some facilitators.
And the doctor shows me these three little doses
of toad venom that it's just a couple grains in each vial.
And this vaporizer with a medical caduceus on it.
And he explains what's gonna happen.
And I'm gonna take this handshake dose
towards, I'm gonna inhale the vapor
just to familiarize myself with the taste
and the experience and what the process is
and then we'll move on to the real doses.
So we do the handshake dose.
He vaporizes his little glass bile on this vaporizer,
and I breathe.
He tells me, hold, counts down from 10, exhale.
Nothing, okay, cool, that's what we're gonna do.
And so we move on to the first real dose.
And they tell you, as you exhale,
the throw your arms and fall back, and just let it all go.
And so we do this first dose.
I breathe in and hold 10, 9, 8,
and then down to one, exhale,
and exhale, and I throw my arms back,
fall back in my world explodes and this kaleidoscope of colors. There was red
blue, blue, green, yellow, but colors like I've never seen. I've never seen this
yellow. I've never seen this red and it's the sound of the universe is all
laying back there and it's just bliss and I have no idea how long I'm there
but it was just this incredible bliss and love and this kaleidoscope of
colors in this and the ome in my ears and my soul. And I thought, well, I can still think.
So there must be more to go. I want to go down to the abyss that my friend was talking
about. So I signaled for another dose. So they pulled me up and I'm way out of it. And
they hold the vaporizer up and they vaporize the next dose and inhale it and it count down.
32, 1, XL, an XL, and truth I died, I died, I laid back and I felt my body atomized
and it was gone and all I was in this black expanse of everything and there was no love,
there was no ohm, there wasn't, there was no body, it was just pure consciousness.
connected from anything else and I was the only thing around this big black
expense was consciousness. It was just pure consciousness and I joined back
where I came from where we all came from and how could I have ever thought that
I would separate from this consciousness? How could a drop of water ever think
it's different from the sea? How can a wave be apart from the ocean? It was
It was just this realization of what we are and what I am.
And it was infinite power and infinite potential there, but there was no love.
It was just consciousness.
And me returned to the consciousness from which I came.
And I remembered, and I remember, and there I'm like, it wasn't anything new.
It was like, I remember now.
I remember what I knew before I incarnated here.
And it was this connection.
And they said it was about 45 minutes.
I was just existing in this laying there.
And then I thought, I had a thought.
I go, because I thought when I first,
my body atomized and I was gone,
I was like, oh shit, oh shit, oh shit, oh shit.
I really done it now.
And then it was like, whoa, it's okay.
You may be dead, but it's okay.
Yeah.
And it just settled into that
and had all the realizations of the consciousness
that I'm returning to and remembered everything.
And then, as I'm laying there,
I thought, I wonder if I can breathe.
I wonder if my body's breathing.
And then, this huge breath came,
and I came back into my body and the hands were around me
and there was this bright light.
The light was coming in through the windows
and the light was textured.
The light was real.
I saw light for what it really was.
And I could see this light as an actual thing,
an actual conscious thing shining down on me.
And I began to laugh with the realization of what we are.
And I began to sob with the sadness of what we lost,
what we've forgotten.
And I just laid there,
snaught coming out of my nose, laughing and crying
and laughing and crying in this pure bliss and love.
And I looked around at everybody else
and I said, I get it now, I get the joke, I get it.
I'm in on the joke now too, I understand.
And at one point I thought, I asked,
I think I asked him, I said, are we dead?
Are you angels?
Is this heaven right now?
Are we here in heaven?
And then at some point, I said, I'm born.
This is my beginning.
I'm born.
I'm born again.
And I never knew what that meant.
That changed everything.
That has, it's, and since then, I've read a lot
and what I believe happened was there's a teacher
that I follow when I read a lot of Dr. David Hawkins.
It was a, I don't know if you're familiar with
any of your written books, yeah.
So in Dr. Hawkins book,
transcending the levels of consciousness,
which is one of my favorites,
he talks about the level 850,
which is the void, the classical Buddha void,
which is no love, it's just the consciousness of God,
the pure consciousness that is creating everything.
Consciousness is all that there is.
And that was the consciousness that I returned to.
And after that, right after, and then over the coming weeks was a slow descent through
the levels of those high levels of consciousness back down to, you know, wherever I'm at now
or was at then. But so many things happened during that that I don't, I didn't realize, you know,
um, you know, third eye being activated discernment, understanding of things, complete transformation.
you can't have an experience like that. And once you see the truth like that, once you will
awaken to that consciousness, you know, there's nothing, there's nothing will ever be the same.
You hear about people who have near-death experiences, they get in a car crash, they drown,
something happens when they come back, hey, I gotta get my stuff together. I can't be in Hollywood
anymore. A lot of Hollywood guys, I gotta pursue my dreams. I'm wasting time. I can't be a part of
that anymore. And they have a near death experience and it changes everything. They write
a book about it in the East. It's huge right now. But you essentially had a near death experience.
You literally died. Like you went to the place. You probably, you may even went further. I don't
know where you go to the place that you go to when you die, right? You would say that. That's
where you came from. And that's where we're all going, right? Yes. It changes everything. You come
back with something you've been touched by the other side.
Yes.
Yeah.
You've remembered the truth and you can't forget that.
You can't un-experience that I don't understand how it could possibly be.
They talk about some of these psychedelic experiences, bungee jumps into enlightenment.
I think, you know, and then you're whipped right back out.
And I think that depending on how prepared you are as an individual and what you're lead
up to it is, you don't go back, you don't go back to where you started.
It's a...
No.
You couldn't.
No.
No.
You can't.
And so I think my meditation practice really plowed the ground, so to speak, for this experience
to happen, and then also for this experience to take hold and or like it did to integrate it.
Yeah. I mean, you know, you hear a lot of people celebrities even go into ayahuasca ceremony,
Abigail ceremony. So it's I've been and they deal with drug addiction. They go and they have it.
Drug addiction is gone. Right. I've touched eternity. I don't need that anymore. And or you know,
gut wrenching depression, depression is gone. I don't need substance anymore to complete me.
I am whole, I know who I am, I'm okay now.
And a lot of people kicking depression,
one of the things that I've kind of articulated
because I experienced it from still assignment,
which was very similar to what you said,
not as deep and profound, but it was for me it was.
But it was coming back and when I tried to integrate back
into my regular life and my job that I loathed at the time
and I knew I was created for something greater.
But my situation was, yeah, go,
you gotta go earn that paycheck,
you gotta keep the lights on, you know, this kind of stuff.
And instead of curing the pressure, it almost caused it.
Cause I'm like, man, I meant for so much greater.
It was good though, because it was the universe
positioning me to do something.
But if I didn't, that idea of dying with your dream,
dying with your song within you was like,
here it is, man, like you gotta do something.
And, you know, did you feel like that at all?
like you had to make some changes,
like if I stayed in this place,
I'm not, it's not gonna be good.
No, it sounds like you kind of got awakened
a little bit to the matrix in that,
and then, you know, made choices.
I think what it did for me was,
it the same sort of thing,
when I came back, all of a sudden,
I started just understanding things.
You know, understanding things about the matrix,
about Hollywood, you know,
and you have this discernment where,
then, you know, you're presented with a choice
or a situation and you see it clearly.
And so a lot of things happened
when I came back from that experience
to change my whole focus of my life.
But it wasn't like I felt like I had a choice,
like, okay, I'm coming back and now I've got to drop this
and I've got to change, I'm gonna do,
and now I've got to do this.
There's nothing, that's a profound experience as well.
for me, it was like, no, the things that I'm doing, all I need to do is exist, you know,
this right here right now in this moment. And it just, it kind of, it went, there are things that
I'm doing that I feel like this fed into, like this new project I'm doing and there's a,
some stuff I'm doing with dogs and stuff that really feels like it's coming out of, you know, my
my deepest part of my heart and my connection to divinity.
But what it really did was it just settled me
into my meditations became insane,
like my meditation practice is incredible.
So I had another, my girlfriend and I went and did a,
a ayahuasca retreat down at Sultara.
The end of the year after I had this experience,
because she had had a civil side of an experience
and she had had some profound experiences,
but she didn't have anything at the depth
of transformative level that I had
and she really wanted something like that.
So we went to Solpara and Costa Rica
and did a three ceremony, ayahuasca retreat.
And things started happening to me
like we got down to Costa Rica
and the first day we're there
and we haven't even gotten to the resort yet.
And my meditation, I'm normally doing a transcendental meditation
so I'm doing a 20 minute session
in the morning and 20 minute session in the afternoon.
And I wake up one morning in our hotel
and I do my 20 minutes, the timer goes off
and I just hit it again.
I do another 20 minutes, it goes off, I hit it again.
Do another 20 minutes, I did an hour of meditation
without attempting it.
Usually I'm kind of fighting boredom
and trying to stay focused on my meditations.
I just did an hour without any,
just, I just did an hour of meditation,
without even trying.
I didn't plan on that.
I didn't try to, I didn't set the timer,
okay, I'm doing an hour.
I just did an hour.
In the evening, I did another hour of meditation.
And the whole time we're in Costa Rica,
I'm meditating an hour in the morning
and an hour in the evening.
and it was incredible.
And then the whole time we're down there,
we get back for another month and a half every day.
It's an hour in the morning and hour in the afternoon
and I'm having just the transformative effects
of meditating like that or just in the downloads
and the insights.
So are you going back to a deeper or I say deeper
because it is deeper if it's more profound,
but is it similar to where you went?
Is there a connection?
Is there, you know, is there a remembrance?
Like maybe this is the edge of where I went.
Like when you go into meditation,
or you're going back to that place,
or I know that it's further into that,
and I'm here on the outside.
What it was it like now when you go into meditation?
As deep as I was on the, on why them,
that I would love to experience that again,
but I can't let go of that.
I'm like, I'm gonna do five in the old every week,
and I wanna, you know, I wanna get back to that.
And that became something to hang on to.
and that became an ego kind of connection to the world.
And so I had to kind of let go of that
and just trust what's happening.
And so what's happening with spirit,
with God, with the universe, with source,
and this, I started having some profound experiences
meditating, let I never experienced before.
Weird things starting to happen during my meditations,
but never as deep as I went on the 5MEO.
That I think was, if I never experienced that
on in this flesh suit, again, that'll be okay.
I want to, I hope to, but that was what I needed.
It's, the one thing about the medicine,
and I'm sure you'd probably say this a lot,
but it is, and I've experienced with friends
going there before and after me,
it is exactly what you need when you need it.
It's gonna be exactly what you need.
If it's a dark experience,
if it's a not so much experience,
if it's a, it's gonna be exactly what you need.
If it's just a step to make you realize you need to let go more and need to commit more
and have another experience, it's going to be exactly what you need if you're open
to receive that.
What does it make you feel like as far as being present and owning your time, you speak
about time being a control, but it's like, hey, be present with that time.
Be in the moment.
Be now, hug your girlfriend, hug your wife, listen, listen, put your feet in the
grass. And so it's little stuff that we take for granted. I feel like it's saying, Hey,
you're going to miss the, there's going to come a time where you miss putting your feet in the
grass. Because when you go and we don't have grass over there, like that kind of really deep.
Yes, that's kind of those kind of profound realizations and loads and insights. I get all the
time now. Like just just the reality, I understand things that I kind of understood intellectually
before in Zen and in the readings and stuff that I would have, but I just, if I could
sum up the whole experience and everything in one sentence, I would do it in this.
I get it now, I get it.
And so that whole thing about, you know, we all want to be enlightened sometime in the
future.
You can never be enlightened in the future because there is only this one boundless
glorious now.
And realizing that is a large step towards that lighting from within and letting go.
There is only this existence in this present.
There's only now.
Heaven is right now because there is only now that will never be any other than now.
And so it's just different vibratory levels, you know, just different dimensions of consciousness.
And so those sorts of things are becoming my life.
Those are the things that I don't just read about and stuff.
That's the real reality that you experience and that you live your life by the understanding.
Have you revisited the faith of your childhood since you've been back?
Have you opened the Bible?
Have you listened to any Christian music or anything like that and my, my spiritual, I want
to say my spirituality isn't limited by the Western Christian church or just the Bible,
That is, I mean, Christ, Jesus the Christ was the perfect man who achieved full God-consciousness
in one lifetime and paved the way and opened the door for all of us.
And so it's not that I am not a Christian or not that I am not carrying that faith, it's
just become broader for me, much broader.
It's like the boundaries have expanded.
And so I think my experience made me understand the scriptures in a weird light as far as,
you know what I mean?
You just said, heaven is here, heaven is now, Jesus is like, listen guys, the kingdom
is within you and around you.
Yes.
So I know we hear that we quoted, but like, hold on, he'll do something.
And then I'm reading Paul in the New Testament, he's like, listen guys, I know a person
who went to a place where he saw things that is not permissible to even tell you.
And once you go there and you come back and I read that, I'm like, Oh, yeah.
I don't think it's that they couldn't tell you.
It's like, or they can't because they're bound by contract.
But it's like, there are no words to describe this color.
Yes.
And that's exactly.
I'm glad you brought that up, truth, because that's another thing that you asked me
if I revisited the faith of my childhood, actually, yes, because what's been happening
as I read Doc Hawkins and I read these things on the Akashic field and on the ether and on,
you know, the spirituality of quantum and all of these things, all of that together.
I have Bible verses pop in my head and I'm like, oh, I did it now. Not like I did it before,
but now I really did it. Now I understand what he's, there's levels. There's levels of
spiritual, just like the temple, Solomon's temple. There were boundaries. There's outside the courtyard
and certain people could go inside,
and then they could go in the anteroom,
and then other people could go into the deeper chambers,
and they had to be purified,
and they had to be certain people,
and then Aaron, he could go all the way
into the Holy Holies,
and then of course that was rendered,
that was rent when Jesus was on the cross.
But all of these, there's levels to spiritualities,
and you don't just get it all right there
when you confess blah, blah, blah,
or whatever, you know, sign up for whatever.
There is a trial, there's an expansion
and a revelation, a progressive revelation that comes
as we ascend, as we go deeper, as we mortify the flat,
whatever you wanna put it.
But I'm understanding those things now.
And it's come, you know, just understand them.
I hear, you know, the kingdom of heaven is within you.
or something, and I'm like, okay, I know what that means.
No, I experienced that.
Yeah, exactly, it changes.
Yeah, there's, you know, they say that the Jewish mystics
believed you hear different numbers,
but four different ways to break down the scriptures.
You got the spiritual, esoteric, metaphysical.
You've got the allegorical of what it means to me
right now in this situation.
You got the literal translation.
There's so many more that like you said,
you become privy to wow, this scripture means something
it's totally different to me now than it did 10 years ago.
And I appreciate what it meant to me then,
but now it holds a deeper truth in my life
and music, music's the same way, you know, everything,
you have been awakened, you're lucid in the dream, you know?
Yes, exactly, and that's what we're here for.
That's what this meat suit experience is much for.
Yeah, it's just the idea of escapism that I try to check.
Even with my meditations, I'm like,
let me not escape, let me be present.
And whether it's leaving your body,
astral travel, or even psychedelics,
which become escapism, so hold on.
You're trying to escape to something
that is yelling for you to be present.
Be present, go over there and help that homeless do.
Give them the last five, whatever.
Like just make an impact.
You do something that's gonna help people.
And I just, I see the ripple effects of it now.
You know, I wear the flower of life
And it's just like this one circle that touches another and all these circles of touching
and you can trace it back to like, man, random acts of kindness, being present, doing something
that I would do one to others as you would have them do one to you.
And it's like, wow, that's pretty profound because little acts like this change the world.
And that's those are the kinds of things that you realize and then everything changes.
This people think that once you realize that you are God, that's an egotistical sort
of thing.
But what comes along with that is you also realize everybody else's and that cricket is
and that dog is, you know, and that squirrel that you're throwing rocks at is, it opens
everything up.
Man, whatever you can believe, whatever you can fathom to open your imagination to, it
It becomes real and it shows itself to you,
but there's things that stretch us
and these psychedelic awakenings,
plant medicines, they're here to heal.
You know, and it's amazing that you shared your stories,
people in the comment section already,
saying this is one of the most beautiful descriptions
of this experience that they've ever heard
and people are being moved to tears.
Joel, thank you so much for sharing with me.
I know you gotta go soon.
I wanna, I wanna, I gotta couple more questions
before we let you go.
I wanna ask you about your role
what you did for the video game Call of Duty. Call of Duty Ghost when you were working on that.
I just got it. I'm a fan of the franchise.
Oh, okay. Well, a long time ago, Call of Duty was redoing their movement library. So basically,
when they are creating a video game, they have a movement library for all the character players
that they make it move from a knee to run over here to draw from when they're creating
the game. And they needed to redo that. So they hired me, came into the big volume, the motion capture
volume space, all the little balls all over my body, little gun with balls over that. And basically,
I did all the movements. So it was exhausting. For all day, I would be like, they've got to get all
eight directions. And I'm moving from my knee to a sprint. And so I moved from my knee to a sprint
and all directions. And if I try to sandbag a little bit, like I'm getting tired, they're like,
No, we need full, they can see that like we need full blast. So I have to do every variation running to money need to running need to walking
prone to running every variation of anything you could play. I had to do and then they use that in the further games
And then when they did call a duty ghosts
They called me in again and I did all the movement library for that and then I did I acted in a lot of the cut scenes
It wasn't my voice, but it was me moving around with the dog and stuff
So, in all of the cutscenes and Call of Duty ghosts, that's probably me, you're watching
as your character moving around in the boats and with the dogs and stuff.
And I do like the fact that they reach out to a lot of people in the military to get them
in.
Like, we got to get the experts.
Why hire an actor, which, no, say, we can go to, and their feature in their characters
in the game too, there's people in military that become, like, unlockable characters.
It's really dope what they're doing.
One of my close friends who's also involved
in the psychedelic healing of seal,
he is directing a lot of their stuff now at Call of Duty.
So the new stuff to Call of Duty is coming out,
there's a Navy SEAL good friend of mine
who's a Kundalini guy and a psychedelic proponent
who is directing all that stuff and working with the Call of Duty.
That's so cool, it's speaking of video games
and that's something that's near and dear
to our hearts and people in the chat,
video games, augmented reality, VR,
like psychedelics kind of feel like a VR anyway,
but bridging that a segue,
you're working on a project right now
with some augmented reality on a game that's coming out too.
And no, you haven't been talking much about it,
but can you give us a little bit on the episode?
And so after I finished with Manhunt and Lone Target
and I was done with the Discovery Channel stuff,
I got into virtual reality.
I'm very excited about this merging technology.
So I went to Norway and Sweden to film the bunch of stuff
from Northern Lights with Virtual Reality kind of scene.
Now, this is going to work.
And Virtual Reality is very cool,
but I think what is cooler is augmented reality,
and that's where everything's moving.
All the big companies are putting a lot of money
in augmented reality, which is digital overlays
in your real world.
So you're looking around with your mobile device,
so with your Google glasses or Apple Glass,
and their digital overlays that you can interact with
in your day-to-day experience.
So mobile gaming is huge,
and it's just getting bigger and bigger and bigger,
And all of the big companies are investing money
in their augmented reality platform,
software and hardware for mobile gaming.
So I developed a game that is escape innovation.
It's like what I did in my show, Manhattan,
the loan target, where you track people, digital tracks
throughout your neighborhood, around your city,
disarming and avoiding booby traps, solving
and negotiating deception trails, and ultimately
trying to race with your team to take down your target
that you're hunting before they get away.
So it's an augmented reality, mobile game experience
where you're tracking people or you're being hunted.
Wow, it's very cool.
I love it.
I'm going to, when's the release date on it?
It's right.
It's not completely built out yet,
but if you just go to escapeandavademobile.com, escapeadavademobile.com.
And that's our landing page and you can sign up there
and we'll email you updates as it's coming out and video
and we're shooting a bunch of stuff
and you'll be involved in all the processes
that comes to the market.
Pretty exciting.
Thank you, man.
Joe, thanks for coming on, man.
I'm looking forward to that.
I'm gonna go sign up myself, everybody else.
I'll have the link in the bio, in the description.
Thanks for hanging out with me, man.
Really enjoyed it.
And so much more that we can get into, brother.
But I know we gotta go.
Let me know when you wanna come on again.
We'll make it happen, brother.
Thanks so much for hanging out with me.
Fantastic discussion.
I love talking about this stuff, man.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Shalom, Shalom.
Ladies and gentlemen, Joel Lambert,
make sure you check out his stuff.
He's been in a bunch of movies,
he's been in a bunch of video games,
doing stunt work, all kinds of stuff.
Listen, go to his IMDB, like he is decorated.
You know, in more than one ways,
he's decorated in the military.
In the Navy, Navy seal man,
like I was wanting to even crack open,
like what are some of the baggage that you gotta carry?
We kind of limited for time.
He told the story, it was a long story, but he had to tell every part like he had to go in.
And it's what it is, but like, what is the bag?
Is there, is there extra bad?
I feel like there's extra baggage that most people aren't privy to that,
that they have to carry.
And then it comes up and you deal with it during, you know, these ceremonies and stuff.
So, um, man, so, so many more places that we can go.
And I'm sure we'll have another talk, a shout out to Drew Bankie, my friend.
We did an episode on here.
Make sure you guys go and listen to that episode,
but Drew referred me to Joel and told me about his story
and helped set it up.
So shout out to Drew as well.
Shout out to everybody.
Hanging out in the chat, man.
See a bunch of beautiful people here.
Dylan, he's there.
Misty, Misty White.
She's a my son plays Call of Duty.
We probably play together.
I play Call of Duty.
Alternative elements, as thank you, Drew.
He has shout out to you.
Ritchie is in the chat too.
Man, two podcasts today.
two really good episodes getting to change it up a little bit subject matter and we haven't
done an episode like this in a while on plant medicines or psychedelics and specifically
Ibogaine or Iboga like in DMT.
So Jonathan Santiago in the chat said that this was a really good episode as far as him
explaining what he saw visually.
Listen, the Apostle Paul said, I can't tell you,
it's not permissible.
I don't think that he's bound by contract.
I believe that he couldn't.
So you sound like a babbling madman
when you come back and you try to do it,
but when you can articulate it,
and more so articulate the meaning, what did it mean?
Okay, you saw seven aliens,
were they real, what did they mean?
You had your cell phone in your hand,
but it really wasn't there, what did that mean?
And I know there was something there.
You're always connected to that thing.
Even when it's not there, you always
saw, we've got your attention.
You think it's there, it's controlling you.
You bring it with you everywhere, you, oh, come on.
There's all kinds of things that we need to let go of
in order to tap into healing and freedom.
We gotta let some things go to be confronted
with that stuff, man.
Sounds very scary.
Very scary.
30 something hours.
Journey and through hell.
the abyss of hell, the netherworld.
Your own personal hell,
because it's different for everybody.
But those experiences change us.
I'm for the plants want you to be healed.
Doctors want you to addict it to a substance
to treat the symptom.
Plant, just want you to heal.
Look at that, Joe Lambert just became a $10 patron.
Look at that, that's the coolest thing.
So he just became a patron.
He may join school of the mystics.
When I have a guest on here and they immediately go
and become a patron, like something's working, man.
They resonate with something on a deep level.
And that's why we know this is working.
So thank you to everybody who has been supporting this work.
And that really as a host that's done over 450 episodes
or whatever, when a guest leaves it becomes a patron
and supports and shows up and now they're in the chat
and now they're watching videos.
Now they're adding to the discussion.
Listen, that means more to me than anything.
I love it.
I love to see people that are interviewing
and they come back and they're part of the tribe, man.
They're part of the community.
And so they have a seat at the table.
It is what it is.
Make sure y'all check out his work.
Go sign up for the mobile app.
All-minute reality is amazing.
I caught so much flack early on with my conspiracy friends
with augmented reality when Pokemon Go came out,
which is a world within a world, right?
You can see things around you.
So many of my friends got upset
that I installed that on my phone,
but listen, technology mirrors the things of the spirit
of what is possible.
Of this thing may be a VR simulation.
There's a lot of theories, there's a lot of scientists
to believe that, that this is some type of simulation,
this is some type of, it's scripted.
You have to script a simulation.
Don't just, it doesn't just run on its own.
There's developers, there's so many realms
and things to experience when it comes
to those types of realities, augmented reality,
like the psychedelic reality, which one's real?
I could tell you what, one of them's temporary and one of them is eternal.
And when you touch eternity, things happen.
And do you have to do an experience like that?
No.
Everything is a portal.
There's other things that draw you.
He's tearing up, talking about it, talking about it is a portal.
Seeing artwork that reminded him of Alex Gray stuff, like it's a portal.
by tool, a worship beautiful, that's why I asked them about worship music, beautiful worship
songs.
I moved me to tears.
I touched heaven.
I write songs about where we came from before we incarnated here.
It's imparting something to you.
I'm pulling something from the netherworld, the realm that you can't touch, taste, see
or hear unless your eye is open, unless you have a trained eye.
And I'm bringing it back for the people, not just me, we all are.
Shout out to the other Linda Caldwell became a $10 patron as well.
Thank you guys.
Man, that means the world.
You know how encouraging that is when people get behind you?
Financially, you know, people, it's hard on money and it's like, yeah, you know what?
I'm going to commit to $10.
Listen, it means the world.
And I try to make it worth it while there's so many cool things there.
But thank y'all for real.
It means the world.
Richie, Dylan, you guys are in chat.
You guys are patrons, you've been patrons.
You know what I'm saying?
Love you guys, and all of the other people as well.
But it's something about, I call it a shaman, a person who is able to tap into a realm
and bring it out.
Ritchie might call it an imagineut.
It's his word, imagine not.
One is like a psycho knot, an astronaut of the imagination where we can just go into that
realm, have conversations with God, with the ancestors, with whatever, and then bring
it back and articulate it in a painting, in a podcast, in a conversation, not
everybody's gifted to do that. Not everybody can, you know, explain it in such a
way where you're like, man, tell me more. I need to know more. I need healing. I
need help. I'm dealing with fear of death. I'm dealing with the loss of a
love one. Like I need help, I need healing. How can I get it? There's many different ways
that healing presents itself to you. And that's the beauty of it. What I would say, God,
it's not just one thing that I've hidden amongst the cosmos. And if you have to find it,
if you get into it, you'll get healed. No, there's a bunch of different strokes for different
folks, but it is about transformation. It's about the divine knowing to be a connector between
the realms, a true shaman of the imagination, of the dream state, of the psychedelic realm,
whatever it is, you're bridge to another place that doesn't exist until you pull it in.
You pulled it into a conversation. He's pulling it in through his life, through his work,
there's been some shift, there's been some changes.
You know, and I know obviously he said he didn't really receive instructions or do this,
go there, but he's got instructions for sure. He's following them in there. There, it's being,
it's being integrated. I got a game playing right in there. Hey, do this. Quit doing that.
Me just do this. Go here. Do that. Write this down. Don't, okay. I got you. I'm writing it down
fast. It comes to me. Um, but there has to be a way of, of integration. And you're not alone
to actually have to like figure it out. There's a place of trust to really abandon
and figuring it out.
A lot of people, a lot of my skeptics and stuff
and people who disagree with some of the content
we talk about on here,
they'll think that we're chasing our tails
and chasing dragons and chasing truth
and you're just trying to figure it out
and you never come into a knowledge.
No, we cease from dead works.
We just exist.
We just enjoy the ride.
And we wanna hear other people's stories.
We wanna hear other people's experiences
that impart something, especially if it's beautiful,
especially if it's here to help.
I don't care who you are.
I don't care if you're a preacher or a master mason.
I don't care if you're a Muslim or an atheist,
whatever you have, that piece of the puzzle
that's beautiful to help humanity,
to help your brothers and sisters,
not feel alienated, not feel marginalized.
Listen, we on the same team.
The names and the people in the places have been changed to protect the innocent, different
names, different masters, one message.
Is Christ divided?
Is there more than one God?
No.
One essence that is encountered through many emanations.
Yes.
For sure.
Sure, even in church, my church folks,
I don't know how many of my church folks are listening
this far, but yes, one church experiences God
in their understanding and it's beautiful to them,
but it's a wrathful God.
It's a vengeful God.
They love it, it's an aspect of the all.
Yeah, the wrath and vengeance is a part of
vengeance is mine, say after the Lord,
it is wrath that is stored up.
That's a part of it.
somebody else sees the beauty and the grace and the healing and the forgiveness and the love.
Are they divided? No.
They're different lights from the same diamond that is emanating a different angle.
What's your angle? You're important no matter how far
going you feel no matter what you've done. Listen, as a grace, as a love and you could tap into it
through many different means. We're exploring, we're experimenting. You guys got a new way to tap
into God's love. New words, that's just the words I use, infinite love, infinite bliss, whatever
you want to use, man. Exploring that in the deep depths of the abyss where there's treasure hidden
or in the beauty and the closeness of a single breath, bliss, thanks given, a heartbeat,
the cry of a baby, the smile of a dog, religion, philosophy, your enemies, your parents,
your dreams, your aspirations, listen, everything is a portal, I mean that, it's contemplation,
ever being reminded, it is never coming to a knowledge of the truth to say, aha, I got it figured
out. There's epiphanies for sure, but it's there's layers to it. There's layers to the onion.
Once you read the Bible the first time you got to figure it out. Yeah, you got the literal side
figured out. You read it literally. From Genesis the Revelation, you read it like it was literal.
You read it like it was and you made it be about you. Not only did you read it literal,
but you read it literally about you as far as the prophecies and the revelations and this and that
and this and that. Thank you Lindsay for the donation. Thank you so much for the super chat.
You read it. You got to figure it out. But there's another level. There's another layer of the
onion. It is the allegory. So you read it thinking King David was a real person that lived
of, you know, 6,000 years ago, 5,000 years, whatever, 3,000, depends on who you ask.
And I'm not saying that you read it wrong, but go back and read it again as if you are
King David, whether you mean you're projecting yourself in a story, yeah, it's a mirror.
life, the whole thing, not just the New Testament. Read it as your King David and you've
got to face a giant. What is that giant? It could be an addiction. I know a lot of dudes
facing giants or have faced them drug addiction. Alcoholism. It's a giant. Just killing
people left and right. This is a giant. How do you face it? When you better draw from
that story, you better read that story, interject yourself and see how he did it, used
those same tactics.
Okay.
You got it on the allegorical metaphysical, spiritual, how's the spiritual on earth as it
isn't heaven?
We are a replica of the kingdom, your anatomy, your mind, your heart is the holy of
holies.
Come on.
You already know one way to come on, four ways to break down the scriptures, four places
it'll meet you for every verse. Some people argue and say there's nine or ninety-nine.
Go with four.
But that's why it's a rainbow word. It's able to meet you where you are.
Yes, the Bible, Bible stories for sure.
In the same power, the same off of an psychedelic allegory of the psychedelic
symbols and characters that appear. Wow, who's that guy? I don't know, but he tried to kill me.
Who's that? He was a tour guide. He was, well, that represented something, something else you've
been dealing with, you know, that hell. Why was that your hell? Why didn't experience that?
Mine was different. Symbols, analogies, allegories. It's all part of the human psyche.
Everything has a place and God uses it all consciousness.
You can't show you something if you don't mean nothing to you.
That's where most people mess up trying to break down the book of Revelation and making it fit literally today.
We know that was a bomb.
That was a bomb that they seen coming.
They couldn't explain this to helicopter.
He talks about these locusts.
I've seen locusts that came and the locusts devoured and they stung people and it wouldn't stop.
It's like, oh, it's like, see, he's a helicopter.
You're trying to interpret it through your lens for this one literal meaning.
That could have been anything.
When you reach this place of this absolute,
it's only a Sith deals in absolutes.
You got to defend the truth. You got to defend a stamp point.
You got to argue. No, we cease from dead works.
Avoid foolish conversations. Y'all go ahead.
Y'all like that conversation. Go ahead. There's people who have it.
There's another video probably right next to this one for those of you watching on YouTube.
There's a video probably right under this one.
If you scroll down, people are arguing about the Bible.
arguing about God, people arguing about who's right,
about the thing that we're experiencing right now
in life, the world.
Go watch those videos.
They're there.
Are you watching this one?
It's cause you feel something deeper.
You feel something deeper that connects you to something
ancient.
That's why I want to ask them,
was you connected to something ancient?
Like there's an ancestral presence
or you tap into that realm.
You know, the Bible talks about where it's surrounded
by such a great cloud of witnesses.
How did you know?
How do you know?
How do you know you're surrounded by such a great cloud
of world?
The Bible said, no, you got to experience it.
You're just, you're parroting,
you're repeating something, a doctrine of theology
somebody told you, you don't know
unless you know, unless you know,
unless you've experienced it.
You've brought something back, you've been kissed by eternity, whispers from eternity.
This is a good talk.
I really enjoyed his description and the power that he now walks in.
Nothing to prove, not seeking your approval.
Well, debate, yeah, that was all going on in your mind.
That didn't really happen, sir.
The drugs, ah, didn't happen in your mind.
I was there, I fought the dragon, I rode the dragon.
You weren't there.
The stars unfolded, the stars opened up,
something came out of the stars, I seen it.
Well, it's a UAP, it's a technology from the government.
Listen, it's what we do.
We roll ideas and talk to people about their encounters
and experiences and it makes sense.
but you can never put yourself in somebody else's shoes
and try to denounce something that they've encountered
and experienced it, especially if it brought so much joy
and it's beautiful and it's helped them.
How do you know?
You look at the fruit, the fruit.
Jesus says, judge according to the fruit.
What's the fruit?
What is fruit?
Is there actions?
What is this man doing with his life now?
What was he doing?
And most of you don't know that.
Most of us don't know what he was doing,
what I was doing with before,
what were you before you encountered this?
Most people don't know.
They just don't only get to see what we show them.
So, the people that you do show, they're privy to something that maybe no one else has seen
an aspect of yourself.
Richie said at the end of the last podcast, we did, that not everybody gets to eat with
me.
Some people show up in their acquaintances.
people show up and listen, we eat together, we break bread, I tell them things about
me that nobody else knows. I allow them to see tinks in the armor because if you show
it to the wrong person, they'll crucify you. So to be careful, but it makes it worth more.
That's what intimacy is. Intimacy with it, with the lover, with a spouse, with God.
intimacy with a creator who knows everything about you knows what you look like
naked that's why trip that's why he tripped out on on Adam Adam brought
seeing you naked bro I'm not a why you had well I'm naked who told you you
was naked man this is how you were created the serpent told us we were naked
man listen y'all believe the lie why don't I believe him I told you I was going to
try to trick you, come here.
Don't cover up, you know what I'm saying?
In returning back to that innocence.
No things about you and it still loves you.
Your spouse knows things about you and still loves you.
Your children know things about you,
still love you.
God knows things about you, still loves you.
You know scripture says that it's a good deed.
a good act to do if somebody would lay down their life and die for a righteous person.
Like the guy we just talked to, we used to train the lay down his life for his country,
for his comrades who were with him, the other seals.
Like there's the code, code of conduct, code of ethics, Christ talks about, it's a good,
it's a good person who does a good deed that would lay down their life for good people.
What about the person who lays down their life willingly for wretched people, wretched
listeners, something special about those guys?
And there's a piece of that.
That allegory is there.
A man would lay down his life for his friends.
A man would lay down his life for a stranger.
You would help a stranger.
You ever read the story of the Good Samaritan?
All the hoity-toity religious people and the rulers and all of these people who had the
The money would, the person got robbed inside the road, got beat up by bandits, robbed
and left for dead.
The religious people walked by, and so he probably deserved it.
I seen him stealing last week.
He probably stole from the wrong person.
He stole, he caught up with your buddy, the universe has a weird way of catching you.
And he walked by, I'm turning the nose of it, and left him die.
You get with karma, you reap what you sow, and it was somebody who was looked down upon
that came by them, somebody that the religious people, the Pharisees and Sadducees, they
looked down upon, somebody from a different sect.
He said, what are y'all doing?
Why is everybody walking past this guy outside the road about the die?
Here, take my money.
We need to get him to an inn.
We need to get him to a doctor.
Here's all the money I have, take care of him, bandage his wounds, feed him and house him
for a week until he gets better.
I'll give the money.
Oh, you anything else? I'll come back and give you that too. For stranger, that was a parable.
That was a parable. You know what the parable is?
That that's me laying in that road. That's me. It's been stepped over overlooked. It's you.
The leper, the prostitute, the beggar, the tax collector, the demon possessed guy,
the drug addict, the crazy person. That's you. You got these labels on you. Love,
Christ transcends that and moves heaven and earth to meet you where you are. You got
experience it. And once you do, you integrate it. Wear how in the next breath. How do
you do it. Let's do it together. Simple breathing technique. I sound like a broken
record, but I love it so powerful yet so simple. I'm a countdown from three, but
when I get to one, we're going to breathe in really deep through the nostrils. The
to three part breathing is conscious. Connected breathing. The first step is just to take a
really deep breath into the nostrils. And once we do that, that's the first part. Second is at the
peak of that breath. Just to enter thank you to the creator for the breath. Thank you for the
breath. Thank you for life. I'm still here. There's an inner thank you. And the third part is to
release it out of your mouth. It's that simple, guys. It's gratitude. Why do we have to do this?
What are you doing? Listen, the Bible says you got to enter into his court with things giving.
Enter into his gates with praise.
Listen, I'm thankful.
Well, I'm not thankful for anything.
You better find something, start with the breath.
It's that small.
It's that simple.
It's right there.
It's been with you the whole time.
You take it for granted until you can't breathe.
Anybody have COVID?
There's an attack on the breath.
You take it for granted until you don't have it.
So don't wait to that last minute.
every moment, treat every moment like it's your last.
That is the power of the now moment,
which is the psychedelics of screaming out,
God in the midst of a deep meditation,
worship, whatever you do,
you're getting that message.
Be mindful, stay mindful, be present.
Listen, so yeah, three, two, one, breathe in really deep.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
and then release out the mouth.
That simple praise.
And you'll find out that what you start
in the midst of that Thanksgiving
of stepping into God's presence
with any type of gratitude,
any type of praise.
When you step into that place,
that you continue it throughout your life.
That place usually starts at home
in a prayer chamber and a meditation.
You know what I'm saying?
Buy yourself reading, worshiping by yourself.
It starts by yourself in the secret place, the intimate chambers would God.
It starts there, but it's carried out until you're waking moment when you go out there
into the marketplace, when you go out there and, you know, all the world is against you.
It's carried out.
God begins to continue that conversation.
You get familiar with it.
It feels like what it looks like, what it sounds like to be taught.
So what starts in that place of gratitude, what starts in that place of prayer and intimacy,
I'm trying to tell you that it's every every moment. It is still the Holy Spirit. It is still the sacred breath.
Never left you never forsaken you. Following you down the rabbit's hole. Following you into this,
following you into that deep cause unto deep, wherever he calls you, you can best bet that he's
prepare the path ahead of you. When Joel talked about he signed up for this, I'm gonna
sign up for the journey. All right, you said yes, now the teachers are gonna show up and
begin preparing you before you step into it, unaware. Got to experience it. One more breath guys,
three, two, one, breathe in. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Just the inner
word. You feel chills, something move around a little bit, release. Without the
breath, there is no praise. The Bible says, let everything that has breath. Praise
the Lord. Love you guys. Enjoy this conversation. If you did, let me know in
the comments section. Send me an email if you're listening on the apps, wherever
you are.
Peace in Shalom.
We're going to do this again.
I got a lot of podcasts coming up this week.
We're going to be busy.
Busy, busy, busy.
Love you guys.
Peace in Shalom.
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