Paul Wallis | UFOs, Aliens, elohim and the Biblical gods of Eden | TruthSeekah Podcast

Paul Wallis | UFOs, Aliens, elohim and the Biblical gods of Eden | TruthSeekah Podcast
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that's definitely the uh tonight's topic
at hand. I am definitely interested in
it. Um the first conversation that we
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episode. My guest today is Mr. Paul
Wallace. Paul, how are you, brother?
Welcome to the Truthseeker podcast, my
friend.
Good day, Truthseeker. Thanks so much
for having me on your show again. I
really enjoyed our conversation last
time, and I hope I brought you some
bread up better weather this time. Yeah,
it's been nice. Uh we got some rain
right now, but it's been nice,
especially Okay. I mean, from from what
it was, cuz that was pretty insane.
Like, it was lightning everywhere, and
we were talking
I lost all power, so.
But even I think I I I tried to I tried
to to record some of the stuff off the
air, and uh but me and you could
connected off air, and we we talked for
a good another 20 minutes. I was like,
man, this is this would be great
material. People need to hear this.
Yeah, we just have to remember what we
were talking about now. Yeah, who knows?
I know what we were talking about. It's
going to be something to have to do with
the subject matter that we're talking
about today, for sure. Uh Sure thing.
Your your new book, The Scars of Eden.
We're going to be talking about that.
That just came out, and it's I think
it's actually number one right now on
Amazon, in uh what is it uh paleontology
right now? I probably
Paleontology, yeah.
couple Yeah, and it's up there in a
couple different um
categories. categories. So, we'll talk
about that the book. What I want to know
is because I I really enjoyed your last
one. Like what's the difference? Because
this is like the the the the sequel to
the last one you did Escaping Eden,
right? And so,
uh what's the difference in the two?
Well, after Escaping from Eden was
published, I started to be contacted
every week and most weeks every day by
people who had encountered the book and
were connecting with it because
of a couple of reasons. And one was
people had had close encounters
or anomalous experiences that had just
busted them out of their old worldviews
and were now in a space of trying to
piece their world together and work out
what was going on. But I heard of people
who had had close encounters
and couldn't talk to anyone about them.
And that's a really
uh mild way of expressing it because I
heard from a number of people who would
say things like this,
"Paul, I had an encounter when I was 15
years old.
Uh it changed my life.
I talked to my spouse about it. I've
talked to the person I was with at the
time when it happened, and I haven't
told another living breathing soul in
the 50 years since."
Yeah.
That's the power of the fear of ridicule
Yeah. around close encounter phenomena.
And yet they still needed to process
what happened to them. And so, they were
reaching out to me for those reasons.
And I began to perceive patterns in
these stories that really started me on
another journey.
And then another group that I heard from
very significantly, veterans of war. and
in particular veterans of the 2003
invasion of Iraq, and I was hearing from
people who had gone in
believing that they were laying their
lives on the line for the reasons stated
in the press. They'd gone in to free the
Kurds, or they'd gone in to save the
world from weapons of mass destruction,
or they'd gone in to save Iraq by
affecting regime change.
They went in, and then they found out
that their particular unit was there for
a totally other reason, and it was an
archaeological reason. They were there
to sequester archaeological finds, take
them out of Iraq, and take them to
I'm not quite sure where, in America for
we don't know quite what, analysis or or
experimentation.
And you can imagine how dislocating that
kind of experience is. I mean, first
off, it is a traumatizing thing to go
into a theater of war,
uh and have to kill people, and have to
risk your own life. And then to discover
that you're risking your life for people
you don't know who they are, who are
obtaining objects you don't know what
they are,
but they relate to the world's oldest
narratives concerning our origins as a
species, our place on the planet, our
place in the cosmos. And so, when these
veterans of war returned,
that's the white rabbit they started
following.
Their questions took them to the ancient
Sumerian texts, the cuneiform tablets,
and that brought them to the Fifth Kind
TV, or to Escaping from Eden, and then
to me in conversation. And really, it
was
helping those people to process what
story they'd just become a part of, and
the compassion that I feel for people
who are in that situation that started
the cogs turning for me and making me
realize I'm on a another journey here
that I'm going to have to share. But
there was another reason there had to be
a the scars of Eden and that was that
I was preparing for the launch of
Escaping from Eden when I suddenly
realized I was going to have to tell my
parents-in-law about this new book
that was coming out. Now my
parents-in-law, they're lovely people.
They are devout Christians
of the Lord.
They love the Lord, Baptist and
Pentecostal heritage, they're from Ghana
and I thought, "How are they going to
take a book
where the subtitle is does Genesis teach
that the human race was created by God
or engineered by ETs?" And by the time
you get to the end of the book you
realize it's engineered by ETs. I think
this could be confronting.
though to to be fair, isn't it Can Can
you still hold on to the narrative of of
both?
I kind of both.
Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. That's
right, Truth Seeker, and that's where
the sequel comes in because
um I'll come back to my parents-in-law
in a moment. A lot of people contact me
now
because that's the wrestle they're
wrestling. They have come from a faith
background. They have had experiences
that have convinced them of the reality
of a transcendent reality they call God.
They have had experiences of
manifestation and relationship with God
and yet now all the narrative
surrounding that seems to be in pieces
after they've realized they're in a
populated universe and that some of the
stories they thought were God's stories
are really ET stories, the Elohim
stories I talk about in Escaping from
Eden. And so people find themselves in
that territory and they're thinking,
"What pieces do I pick up? How do they
fit together? How did these two truths
go together? Populated universe,
ET intervention in our evolution,
and some kind of a god reality. How do
they go together? And in The Scars of
Eden,
I spent quite a bit of time walking
people through the reframing that's
required the moment you've taken the red
pill of populated universe.
So, I was uh preparing my parents-in-law
for that kind of moment.
Had no idea how they'd take it.
So, they came and stayed with us in
Canberra for a weekend, and we had some
nice food and some nice wine, and when
everybody was relaxed, I thought, "Okay,
this is a good moment."
And I said, uh "Coffee, patience. Let me
tell you about my latest book I've got
coming out." And so, I ran through what
we just shared. Uh they listened
poker-faced. I had no idea how they were
going to take this. And you know, I am
their son-in-law, so I, you know, wanted
it to work out.
Well, at the end of my um little speech,
my father-in-law lent back in his chair,
and he said, "Paul, a penny has
dropped."
Meaning that all the anomalies that he
had found in
his reading of the Bible or Christian
explanations for anomalies in the Bible
had just resolved because of realizing
these stories are really memories of ET
contact. And then,
my mother-in-law lent forward, and she
said, "Paul, we already know this
story."
She said, "In Ghana, we know the
Christian story. We know the modern
scientific answers, but there is also an
indigenous story that tells us we are
not alone on this planet
or in the cosmos, but there is another
non-human presence on planet Earth
involved with humanity,
and specifically involved in abductions
and hybridization.
And I couldn't believe these words
coming out of my mother-in-law's mouth
and then she said, "In fact, we're very
closely connected with another family
who experienced one of these
abductions." And she ran through that
story
and my jaw dropped. I had no idea they
had this awareness. I had no idea we
were so closely connected with people
who had experienced an abduction.
And that sent me on a journey around the
world because the
Ghanaian tradition that talks about
these things is called the Mami Wata
tradition. That's the modern name for
it. It's actually hundreds of years old
predating that name.
And this account of presences,
abductions, hybridization is there on
the East Coast of Africa, down to the
Southern Cone, all up the Western
Seaboard, into the Caribbean, Brazil,
Haiti, Cuba, as far East as the
Philippines. In the Philippines, they
have vocabulary that has been developed
purely to tell this abductions
narrative. That vocabulary has its roots
in India. So, the story is there. You
then go into Europe.
The whole of Europe is named after an
abductee.
Europa was one of the daughters of a
king of Phoenicia. She was abducted by a
non-human entity.
She was um
she produced children who were
uh hybrids.
Three of them, three boys. One of them,
his name was Minos and he became the
progenitor of the Minoan civilization.
Now, what I've just said is taught as
history in Greece.
Not fable, not fictional mythology,
history. The whole of Europe is named
after the person who had that experience
and then it repeats in the Norse
countries,
going to northern Europe and Scotland,
Ireland, Wales, they all have the same
story and the details that repeat
concerning the abduction phenomena are
the same and they are curious details
and the pattern, if I tell you what
happened to our friend in Ghana, every
detail recurs in all these cultures
through the centuries.
She was on the beach near the water. In
her case, she was on the beach of Anloga
in the Keta district of the Volta region
of Ghana. She was taken.
She was taken for 3 years and used to
produce hybrid children. They were in an
underwater base. That meant she had no
way of contacting her relatives and the
people who held her looked almost human
but they weren't human.
And every single one of those details
repeats. You go to Wales, listen to the
story of Twl with Tech,
it's the same details. You go to
Scotland and you listen to the
indigenous stories there collated in
Aberfoyle by Robert Kirk in the 1600s,
same story.
It's such an unlikely story and it
certainly doesn't parallel any human
patterns. It's not a mythologization
of of the slave trade or or conventional
slave trafficking. It's a different
pattern altogether and this was another
international journey I made that when I
started seeing the correlations,
I had to start concluding Yeah. this is
a this is real knowledge. This is a real
memory that's being shared here. And
when I wrote The Scars of Eden, it
wasn't because I had an ambition to
write a book about ET abductions.
Certainly not because frankly, I want to
be taken seriously and I know people
really struggle with the language of
abductions. You know, people can just
about cope with the language of
populated universe, but as soon as
you're saying I was abducted
you know, by aliens. I had an alien
baby. You're regarded as being at the
Fruit Loop end of the spectrum, and
people recoil as if they'd never heard
the like. Whereas in fact, the like has
been told us for thousands of years by
our ancestors in every culture on every
landmass on the planet. And I realized
if I was going to listen with respect to
ancestral narratives, I was going to
have to talk about the abduction
phenomena, what it is, and what it
means. So, that's another significant
thread in the skies of Eden. Well, we're
we're we're we're jumping right in.
We're getting deep off the bat. Um, let
me ask you this. Doesn't that seem a bit
primitive for advanced ET civilizations
to actually need to what some would
consider kidnap
uh a human and you know, use their
embryos and and they have to carry these
child for not children for for 9 months
versus building some type of a facility
or some type of technology or like a uh
you know, incubator or something like
that where they actually have to go and
get a human woman to carry the children.
That seems a bit primitive when it comes
to you know, these advanced ET races,
wouldn't you say?
Yeah, I
I I totally understand that reaction,
but
doesn't it seem is what we have to say
after we've listened to what our
ancestors said. We have to we have to
hear the story, process the story, and
then think what sense does that make?
I'm not sure how primitive it is to be
fair because it's taken us as a
civilization quite a while to learn out
how to learn find out how to do genetic
modification of human beings. We can do
it now.
And
I would suggest we probably have better
spacefaring tech than the public know
about. So, put those things together, we
could be in the same boat as some of our
visitors.
I'd also suggest that just because
people have better tech for getting
themselves through space, doesn't mean
they're cleverer in every other respect.
The The If there are abductions
happening, it's because there are things
about us that they like and that they
want in their gene pool.
And we don't know necessarily what those
things are, but if you accept populated
universe, if you accept the idea of
panspermia,
which means ultimately we're all
related. If we go far enough back, we're
all from that same
genetic coding for biological conscious
life that's been seeded through the
cosmos,
then
it is quite possible that at the same
time as being related, there's something
unique about the fusion that is Homo
sapiens.
The animal strength, the mammal emotion,
the higher consciousness may have
created a somewhat unique blend. Now,
that's what the Bible story of
hybridization says in Genesis 6. Um If
people are Bible readers, this is
probably the first abduction story
they'll know, where the bene elohim,
which I argue is the second wave of ETs
reported in the Bible,
turn up to abduct specifically human
females. And in the Genesis 6 telling,
it says they looked on the human females
and said, "Wow, let's have some of that
in our genetic pool."
And they find humans attractive. Maybe
we have a robust physicality that some
of our ET neighbors don't have. Maybe we
have an emotionality that some of our
neighbors don't have and they consider
that we have more interesting, more
colorful lives because of our
emotionality. It may be that we're being
visited by species who are on the
decline
because their population is too small.
They may simply need to enrich their
gene pool with something else.
Now, you said, isn't it a bit primitive
to have a human being to carry a baby
for 9 months, but a lot of the abduction
stories
actually don't include that.
The human mother will be used as a um
What's the word?
I've forgotten the word. This is a
middle-aged moment.
Where they will actually carry the baby
only part term and then
the fetus will be taken and developed
elsewhere in the lab, etc. But there is
something very, very important about
being in utero for that part of the
pregnancy that our visitors seem to
understand.
Um
There was something else I was going to
say about that response of isn't this a
bit primitive?
Um
Yes, people say that when they read some
of the say the the stories in the Vedas
about ancient space faring craft or they
read some of the accounts in the Bible
that describe vehicles arriving with
smoke and fire and shaking the ground
when they land.
And people say, isn't that a bit
primitive?
You know, for ETs who are able to travel
through the cosmos.
Well,
I think so. I think it's primitive of us
to be using that kind of propulsion
system 70 years after we started using
it to get people uh into space and
ultimately to the moon. We're still
using it. Yeah. And maybe getting off
the planet is the hardest part and you
actually do use primitive means for that
and then you wormhole it to the next
place or you conscious your way to the
next place.
Uh
these are really valid and interesting
questions but they're responding to an
intact story that has survived for
thousands of years that has been told
with details that correlate from culture
to culture from millennium to millennium
and it's part of our processing of what
do we do with this report? What do we do
with this information? And there are
plenty of things that our visitors do
that would seem to be primitive like
war.
Uh so many of the ancient stories talk
about ET demographics warring against
each other. Well, that's pretty
primitive, isn't it? And a few of them
talk about them arriving here and
needing a human workforce. Well, isn't
that primitive having a slave species?
These Sumerian stories
and the biblical stories translated in
the way I think they should be
imply that our ancestors were here
mining, working in mines for the
visitors and people say isn't it
primitive to use human beings as miners?
Well, yes, it is but then look at what
we do when we invade each other's
countries. We invade them cuz we've got
high-tech
and then we still enslave the locals to
bring all the natural resources to us so
we can take them home.
Why would we not expect to see something
similar at an interplanetary level? And
our ancestors say that's exactly what
did happen.
Um just going back to what you mentioned
at the beginning of us invading Iraq,
Afghanistan and all of that stuff. There
was a documentary, I have to give credit
from where I seen it from but it was
um
from the uh, secret space documentary
by um,
I forgot the name of the guy who put it
out, but there's actual footage.
It's heartbreaking footage of us going
into their holy places and destroying a
lot of stuff. Tanks running over these
ancient monuments and and and destroying
these images and and and taking a lot of
it. And those places are are very
ancient and you know, go back to our
genesis from Iraq, Afghanistan, those
places
being ancient Babylon. And these places
that are mentioned of in the scriptures
and they were invading them and and
taking all of the holy relics and
destroying their history and all of
those things. I I guess going back, you
know, with seeing that, I've seen that
for myself. Like,
what do you think the reason is? Is it
so that they can erase any trace of a
history so that they can retell it? And
which is, you know, history is his
story. Whoever is you know, prevailing
at the time gets to kind of rewrite the
history books and tell you where we came
from and who our god is and all of this
kind of stuff.
So, you see, I think you've hit the nail
on the head. I think that's exactly what
it is. And in The Scars of Eden, I
identify many moments through history
where that's exactly what's happened.
Where we invade, we take over the truth
and erase all previous knowledge of who
we are and where we came from. So, that
includes, you know, burning books, that
includes executing priesthoods, it
includes in Australia last year blowing
up
Aboriginal Australian sites with hard
copy of their knowledge of our ancestry
and our history. And it includes driving
tanks over sacred sites in Iraq. It's
all part of the same destruction of
memory.
That destruction of memory is
part of the story of the Hebrew
scriptures where there is a huge
forgetting that's actually commanded. In
the 10 Commandments that Moses gave,
it begins by saying,
uh
you must serve no powerful ones
other than this one, the one who's taken
the name Yahweh. Uh you mustn't uh bow
down to them
uh and you mustn't even depict them.
Yeah, you can't even written their
names. It goes as far as to say.
No, that's right. And so, you've got
through the stories of the Hebrew canon,
the destruction of ancient sites even
then. And so, that story begins then or
continues then and has rolled on ever
since. It means the destruction of
ancient sites. It means the suppression
of ancient narratives.
And I talk about executing priesthoods.
Um there was a lot of that in the 1500s
as the new world was being
uh conquered by the Catholic forces of
uh Portugal and Spain and other forces
besides, of course.
But, you know, when I was growing up in
the UK,
that pattern was still continuing. We
had a uh scientific research facility I
used to cycle past every morning on my
way to school and they were working on
technology for Ronald Reagan's uh Star
Wars initiative.
And there was a lot of intrigue around
what that was all about because the way
Ronald Reagan had phrased the
announcement of it and the huge sums of
money being diverted into it
raised the question of whether these
were space-bound
weapons to police war on Earth or if we
were talking about an extraterrestrial
threat. Uh while all those questions
were in the air and while the technology
was being worked on,
25 research scientists working on it,
committed suicide one after the other.
And it was so
glaringly not the case that these were
suicides. I mean, the coroners refused
to sign them down as suicides. It was
open verdicts they kept returning. And
then I think it was Clive Jenkins, the
union leader in Britain at that time for
research scientists, among others,
actually came forward, went to the
press, spoke to the television cameras,
and said, "This is statistically
impossible. These suicides/murders
must be looked into. We need a
government inquiry." And the government
of the day under Margaret Thatcher said,
"No inquiry is needed. The minister's
already given an answer. These were
suicides. It's an unfortunate chain of
coincidences." Now, when you have an
unfortunate chain of coincidences
uh that glaring, you realize it really
is a threat to anybody else not to
divulge what they know. So, it's not
just the destruction of ancient
knowledge, it's the destruction of
current knowledge. We're now though in a
rather interesting phase where we've
come out of that
period of history and into a period that
I would regard as soft disclosure, where
people are allowed to talk about things
that are going on, technology that's
been retrieved, without death threats
such as were faced by the people of
Roswell, without finding that they'd
committed suicide such as happened in
the UK at that time. They're allowed to
speak, and we're hearing from people
from very authoritative positions now
making these kinds of acknowledgements.
And that's a big shift that I've seen in
my lifetime while my attention has been
on the topic. Mhm.
Wow. Um
Going going back to the abduction
phenomena and and and contactees, right?
You know, we talked about this on the
last episode. It's just like
you know, even the even the term
abduction, you don't really hear that
term being used a lot. You got to go
back in history to see somebody who
comes forward and say, "I've been
abducted." Now we're hearing contactees.
I am a contactee. They contacted me or
experiencers. I experienced the craft.
And it's something pleasant, something
beautiful to them, changed their life.
Mostly these days I feel like it's in a
good way versus
mid-90s and before you heard abductions
and scary scenarios and and a lot of
this hybridization stuff that that we're
we're fearful and uh you know,
you know,
full of terror for this stuff to happen.
Um and people feel a connection of
something divine, something larger than
than themselves with this. Have you
found And this is
this is, you know, just a deep subject,
but have you found these beings to be
relational,
mechanical? Cuz people feel like they're
connected to God, connected to source.
I relate the ET phenomena back to the
angelic even. Um have you found these
beings to be relational that this
contact carries on even after
um the initial uh
experience?
Oh, yes.
I have come to believe there's a great
spectrum of experiences happening. And
certainly there are people who would
report very dark and traumatizing
experiences.
Um my friend and colleague J. Allen
Hynek Davies has produced a book called
Harvest, which has looked at an
experience a right at the darkest end of
the spectrum where not only does it look
like a hybridization story, but it looks
like
um
this poor person is being toyed with
uh in order for her terror to be studied
or enjoyed. It's it's a horrible story.
Uh fascinating, very far-reaching, and
then at the other end of the spectrum
if you go to Kenya, and if you can find
people who've had these abduction
experiences there,
uh the tradition there is called the
Maharani uh story.
Well, those people will often come back
after their 3 years away, and they say,
"I was being held by the Maharani, and
um
they're quite nice.
You know, I it was other than the fact I
couldn't return for 3 years, I quite
enjoyed being with them. I regard them
as my friends." Now, when people come
back
and share that kind of story in Kenya,
that's not very well received. And such
a person, if they dare speak that way,
is either going to be taken to the
doctor for some psychoactive medication,
or they'll be taken to the pastor to
have a demon driven out of them because
people don't like
they don't like the nice side of the
spectrum. And yet, in um The Skies of
Eden, I talk about a conversation I've
had with
Barbara Lamb, who has more than 2,000
case studies, people she has personally
uh examined with regard to their
experiences of abduction. And many of
them,
once they've come to terms with what's
happening to them, would say, "Well, no,
they didn't hurt me. Actually, they were
quite friendly." And as they retrieve
memory, they realize, just as you were
saying, Tree Seeker, they have had
visits from the age of 5 all the way
through their lives, and there is a
relationship.
There's a lady in Australia called Jane
Pooley, uh who is um
very credible, intelligent lady. She's
had a career in nursing.
She has three regular children.
And then she claims that she has
produced two hybrid children as a
consequence of being an experiencee, a
contactee, an abductee since the age of
five. And she would say the beings she's
in touch with
do have a warmth to them. They don't
have the same emotionality as us. It's
not as developed as ours, but you can
have a relationship and a familiarity
and a feeling of safety with each other.
And that would be her report. And I
think you're right.
We do hear more of that now, and I don't
know if it's because our culture has
shifted and there's more opportunity
for people to share stories like that
without being damned or ridiculed.
Although, I think in the mainstream,
people have these experiences
do guard them pretty tightly.
And in the research I've done for The
Scars of Eden, I believe these
experiences are far more widespread
than we would ever imagine.
And
that's because of the
secrecy with which most of these stories
are carried.
Now.
Uh question for you as well. Uh when you
talk about a lot of these people
disappearing for 3 years, you you hear
stories about people who have been gone
for 20 years,
but they come back and it's only been 3
seconds.
Um is is is some of this what we're
talking about or or some of these people
on record for being missing for 3 years?
Or did 3 seconds feel like 3 years?
Well, the cases that I have looked at
and that I reflect on in The Scars of
Eden are the second kind, where the
person was in our timeline gone for 3
years and in their timeline gone for 3
years. So, it's really that very
um
uh
four-dimensional world story that I'm
talking about that fits within our
paradigms other than the fact that
there's this other presence involved.
Yeah, so
I mean, what what do you think about
those stories though? Do they Is that Is
that in in in the worldview where it's
of something that could happen cuz we're
we're talking about some pretty
interesting stuff. Is that something
that could happen or or is it pretty
fictitious cuz you got a lot of
charlatans that have kind of written
books and have studied other works and
interjected and made up stories I feel
like that
that are, you know, sensationalizing
this phenomenon.
Yep.
Well, you know, of course, you have to
begin by saying anything's possible, but
it is difficult to
um respond to stories where there's no
um
way of corroborating the story, if I
could put it that way.
Someone reports an experience, if
there's no way of verifying it, then it
just has to remain a story that we think
about and wonder about. Yeah. Uh and I'm
I'm not being flippant when I say
anything is possible because
consciousness is a very interesting
thing. There are many people who report
close encounters
will will say I was aware my
consciousness was being interfered with.
My perception of time or my lack of fear
or my sedation was an interference in my
mind or my consciousness. Or they'll say
I was taken to such and such a place.
I think they took me physically, but it
may have been something they did through
manipulating my consciousness. Well, as
soon as you're in that territory, then 3
years / 3 minutes
might suddenly have some kind of a
framework. And another thing when we're
talking about consciousness, if you can
accept the possibility
that we are primarily conscious beings
and that our consciousness precedes our
material life and follows it,
as soon as your consciousness is absent
from your material body,
time
doesn't mean the same thing at all.
Um just think about the speed at which
you dream.
You know, the amount of story
you can get into a dream in a split
second
to incorporate the dog licking your
face. You know, you might have half a
day's story in your dream that
culminates in the dog licking your face.
That's a little clue that our
consciousness can really operate
Yes. very, very fast. And people who
have near-death experiences or
out-of-body experiences
often say in that state there is no
time.
And so maybe if we're listening to
stories of I was gone for 3 years, it
turned out to be 3 minutes, maybe we're
listening to a story of consciousness.
But when others come back and say I was
used as a soldier in such and such a
place for 20 years and I came back and I
was still 16,
well, that's an interesting story, but I
have no way of verifying it. Uh I'm
happy to listen with respect, but I just
don't
really know what to do with that story.
Yeah.
Um
there's a lot of that, you know, and um
I've I've tried to focus on
um repeatability.
You know, come back, come back, come
come give us a sign, those kind of
things. And I've had some luck, you
know, it's not 100%. It's very low, but
there's there's, you know, if you gaze
at the sky long enough, you'll see some
really interesting things. And I think
people who have had abduction scenarios,
that if you begin to stargaze, you begin
to see some very interesting movement in
the skies above your house, in the area
that you live. I'll say that. The skies
are active. I'll say that. Um a couple
different places I want to go. I want to
go and and and kind of question some of
this stuff a little bit for you and just
see what you you'd say. I don't know
exactly what we've we covered on the
last episode. This is just stuff that
that I like talking about, but I want to
kind of set it up a little bit from your
perspective of a biblical worldview for
the person who is a believer, you know,
which is me. You know what I'm saying?
And um I've I've come to to to uh
rationalize it and see how this fits
into my faith. Plays a very big part of
my faith. Doesn't go against the Bible.
Actually makes it quite literal. Makes
it versus something that is fantasy and
allegory, which there's definitely those
aspects that we love of the scriptures.
But something quite literal that
happened of these creators and these
gods who are watching over us from
Genesis to Revelation and are still here
now. For the believer, for the person
that's brand new to this, how does this
fit in
uh to a biblical worldview of
um our creators, the angelic, Elohim and
and all of that being literal beings
that came here and and did, I would say,
God's work in seeding us on the planet
and things like that. How would this tie
into a biblical worldview for somebody
who's brand new to this whole Elohim
phenomena?
Yeah.
In a word,
translation.
I mean, translation of the languages of
the original texts.
And if I were to go to the beginning of
Christian history and listen to church
fathers like Clement of Alexandria,
Irenaeus, Justin Martyr, Origen, uh and
Marcion,
they were people who
believed Plato's explanation of
beginnings.
Plato believed in God.
And when he when he talked about the
nature of God, his story was in the
beginning was consciousness.
And then that consciousness expressed
itself in
the material universe. The material
universe is there in order for
consciousness to be hosted, to
experience itself.
And the theory of panspermia is a nuts
and bolts
uh version of that view. The idea that
the genetic coding for biological
conscious life seeded through the
cosmos, that's just a mechanical way of
saying what Plato said. Now, these
church fathers held that view. Plato
also believed that life was evolving
happily on planet Earth, including our
ancestors, and then
some other beings from somewhere else
landed on planet Earth and genetically
modified our ancestors and adapted us
for greater consciousness and
intelligence.
These church fathers believed all that.
And that would shock some people because
it sounds very different to the
traditional Christian view of where we
all came from.
How could church fathers believe that
and believe the Bible at the same time?
The answer, translation.
When you go back to the stories of
beginnings in the Bible and drill down
into some translation anomalies,
make some translation switches,
the story Plato tells is in the Bible.
And it is the story that is derived from
the Sumerians. And it is the story that
repeats in ancestral narratives around
the world. And the translation switches
are around some really key words. Elohim
is a key word. Ruach is a key word.
Yeah. Kabod is a key word. Tob is a key
word.
Tohu wa bohu.
Uh thank you for that one. Tohu wa bohu
is another. I'll go to Elohim, which was
the entry point for me. Elohim is the
word
uh the earliest word in the Bible that
gets translated as God.
But if you take it to its root meanings,
it means the powerful ones.
And as soon as you see that, you realize
why Elohim takes plural verbs
and exhibits plural behaviors
Yeah. and plural agendas. So, the
powerful ones say, "Let us make humans
to look like one of us."
The powerful ones say, "We don't want
the humans to be too much like one of
us." The powerful ones conflict over how
intelligent the human beings should be.
The powerful ones conflict in Genesis 11
over how much technology humans should
have. And you realize that the powerful
ones, the Elohim, that's the Hebrew word
for Anunnaki. It's the Hebrew word for
the sky people. It's the Hebrew word for
those who engineer in the Mesoamerican
stories. So, that's a bit of a red pill.
As soon as you make that translation
switch, take it to the root meaning,
reread the stories,
the ET aspect of what the Bible is
telling us becomes as clear as day. And
so, I tell people I'm in no way out to
debunk the Bible. I want to understand
it.
I want to understand the texts that have
been so carefully curated for thousands
of years
and understand what the words actually
mean. My
first love was languages and linguistics
and uh
I studied uh
German, French, Latin, Italian,
Portuguese,
Greek, um maybe a couple of others I
can't quite remember now. And so when I
came to my theology, I brought all that
sort of sensitivity with me. So whenever
I go to a text, my first question is
what do the words mean? Yeah. If I want
to understand the text.
Uh so Elohim is absolutely vital. Bene
Elohim, I say that's the second wave of
ETs because Bene Elohim means ones like
the powerful ones who turn up and
they're in con
a conflict with the original powerful
ones. On and on it goes. And then you've
got moments
in the Bible where there is technology
being described um
the Ruach that arrives and hovers over
the floodwaters of the devastated planet
that's Tohu Wa Bohu.
The Ruach is a craft.
Uh it gets translated as the spirit at
that point. But you go to the root
meaning, a Ruach is a thing that creates
a strong wind.
And the Ruach arrives and starts
terraforming. Well, the Philippines have
exactly the same story.
They say the thing that came and hovered
over the waters was like a hawk and they
call it Tagalog. And with its wings,
they say,
it created these vortices of wind
to clear the land. The Sumerians begin
with the sky people coming down from the
skies and then four winds clearing the
lands.
And the correlations again
Absolutely. And the uh the Edo people
and the Yoruba people of Nigeria tell
the same story, coming down from the sky
and then clearing the land. So, the
correlations are fascinating and they
make sense when you do the translation
and you realize ruach is a craft. Go to
the book of Ezekiel and it tells you
what the ruach looked like, sounded
like, how it moved, so on and so forth.
So, it's really a matter of revealing
what's in the texts and understanding
that in the Hebrew canon, you've got a
whole library of literature. You have
got devotional literature. You've got
literature about God, the cosmic source,
and the prophets who had that vision
used the name Yahweh.
But, that name has actually been pasted
over these earlier stories that are not
about the cosmic source. They are about
the ETs who came, colonized our planet,
and governed over our ancestors.
And do a little bit of translation and
you realize it is all in the mix. So,
it's not an either/or. It's not God or
aliens.
It is the whole story, the whole
shebang. They are all part of the
picture.
Yeah.
So, with that being said, you're naming
all of these different tribes, all of
these different religious backgrounds
and beliefs and civilizations that
believed the exact same thing. Their
creation story is similar. With
Christendom and with the Bible, we've
claimed exclusivity as all of these
other
regions and religions. Um there comes a
point
and if we're just studying the creation
story, that we have to give up
exclusivity because we find it being
echoed, there's names that are borrowed
from other nations that are in the
Bible, there's stories that are borrowed
and just the names are
you know, changed to protect the
protect certain people.
Um it's these stories that are told over
and over, but there's just little
details that change. And so, even with
that being said, you got to give up some
of this exclusivity and be able to say,
"You know what? I see the similarities."
It doesn't stop there. It doesn't stop
with creation. It doesn't stop with the
gods or with the Elo or with the aliens
or with the Anunnaki or whatever. You
know, the the the star gods. Um
it goes into the Christ story and the 13
risen saviors, if you will. And and and
things begun begin to be a little bit
more uh inclusive versus exclusive as
we've been told that this is ours and we
need to convert you to this. We find the
biblical narrative to be uh a very
inclusive, a very
um universal tradition and uh practice
and and and mirrors and mimics
practices from all over the world. When
did you make that
um
that that voyage to to open up and to be
able to see God
in more than just what you were you were
taught of of Christianity, the Catholic
Church and all of this and be able to to
be able to look at look at the Egyptian
text and and see the beauty in it. To to
look at the Tao and see the beauty. To
look at Ethiopian eunuchs, you know, and
just every single one and see the the
lines that that definitely cross and
intersect?
Definitely. Well, when did I really
gradually through many many years and
through studying texts, but also through
experience.
So, I'll come back to the exclusivity
exclusivity question is really
important. It's very profound. I'll come
back to the the Jesus story in a moment,
but
if I say that when I was first a
Christian, I became a Christian when I
was 17, uh having previously been an
atheist.
And when I came to faith, it was a time
of renewal in the churches, meaning that
a lot of people were having very
powerful
spiritual transcendent experiences and
then we had to get our head around what
this meant. And some of these
experiences were
very powerful spontaneous healings.
Yeah. So in my church there was a lady
who began seeing through an eye that had
no optic nerve
and she'd been blind for years cuz of no
optic nerve. Well, that is what you call
a miracle and we were seeing things like
that happening.
We wanted to get into that and so we
were learning about healing modalities
within the Christian tradition.
And those modalities would include
placing hands over an injured area with
the intention of bringing physical
healing.
Sometimes you would speak to an injury
or to a body part as if it was an
intelligent entity and start telling it
what to do. Those kinds of modalities,
things we see Jesus doing Yeah. in the
Gospels. And
I saw amazing
healings happen through those
modalities.
Well, as I
grew up, left home, went to Bath
University, started exploring the world,
I started discovering other people were
doing this who were not Christians.
People with no religious religious faith
or spirituality were doing exactly the
same thing With better results.
Well, often getting the same results and
that was the confronting thing. So it
wasn't just that they they were copying
us.
Mhm. No, they were getting the same
result and I had to begin doing business
with the idea that God was much much
bigger than this little box I'd been
living in. So things like that clued me.
Often time to time I'd meet people
who
we would do what we call prophetic
ministry in our church that where often
people were able to download information
Yeah. about you.
And you'd think, how on earth did they
just do that? And I thought, well,
that's the spirit of God speaking to his
people, the Christians, to to help other
Christians.
And then as I started getting out into
the world, I realized, no, this is
this is happening to other people. Other
people are having this experience.
People who might call themselves
psychics are doing exactly the same
thing. Yeah. A chiropractor doing
exactly the thing. Yeah. Following their
intuition, it's exactly the same as
listening to the spirit. And so I had to
begin
processing all that. Now, come back to
the Jesus text, which is more recent
work for me.
And it comes down again to translation
because I have realized so much of what
we read in our ancient texts and not
this isn't just Christians doing it with
the Bible or Jews doing it with the
Bible.
People do it with Buddhist texts, Hindu
texts.
We read it through a
a lens. We This is a religious text, we
say to ourselves, and so we hear it in a
certain way.
Well, the Gospel of Matthew gives us a
little summary of the first teaching
that Jesus toured with. And again, if
you use the root meanings of the words
instead of read the translation with all
the cultural layers that go on that
language that we read into the text, go
to the root meanings. Jesus' first
sermon that he toured with said this,
the amazing power of the source is
available to everyone.
That was his sermon.
That's what he told people. And then he
went around showing what that looked
like Yeah. in terms of healing, uh
entity removal, uh emotional freedom,
uh living without fear.
He was demonstrating what it means that
the amazing power of the source is
available to everyone. You get into the
Book of Acts
uh in the New Testament, and it's the
same story. The Book of Acts begins with
people having this powerful transcendent
experience, and the Apostle Peter quotes
one of those prophets from the Hebrew
scriptures saying,
"The spirit of God has been poured out
on all flesh."
Yes. Joel.
Joel, he's quoting. That's right. Not
all Christians, not all religious
people, on all flesh. And then the
apostles start touring um the um
the the part of the world they were in,
and they start discovering it's true.
They keep meeting people who are already
in contact with the source, who are
already in contact with God,
and they're seeing manifestations of
that. And so they're catching up with
this a great outpouring, as they see it.
And then the Apostle Paul
I I'm going back and listening to him
afresh because I realized Plato's
description of God is very closely
echoed by Paul, because Paul goes to
Athens one day, and he has to clarify
what he means by God. Suddenly, he's
speaking to an audience that has no
Jewish language or Jewish heritage. He's
going to have to explain from scratch
what he means.
So he says in his little sermon,
"By God, I mean the source of the cosmos
and everything in it,
that in which we all live and move and
have our being." Yeah.
I love that definition because
that's a definition I think a lot of
people can do business with. It's not a
call to religion. You know what he was
quoting there, right?
"Yes, one of your poets," he said. The
hymn of Zeus. The hymns of Zeus. He was
using their own text to show them the
beauty of the creator in all things.
Yes, he was. And I love that because
what respect he was giving to the
knowledge and wisdom outside of Judaism,
outside of Christianity. He's saying
your your poet has already got here. He
doesn't quote Plato, he quotes somebody
else. You already know this. And I think
that is so powerful. The moment you
believe what Paul says
that by God we mean the source of the
cosmos and everything in it, that in
which we all live and move and have our
being, suddenly you demolished the whole
notion of separation
and fear that so much religion is built
on. And when the empire hijacked
Christianity, it used that idea of
separation and fear to re-feudalize
society with a religious gloss over it.
So now it would be considered that to be
a good Christian, you have to be subject
subject to the priest, subject to the
bishop, subject to the emperor. And
you're in a feudalized monolithic
society and no, you're not allowed to
think for yourself and don't read
anything written by someone who's
thought for themselves either. And that
was the world we got locked into as
orthodoxy got militarized. But go back
to the roots
and here's this far more cosmic
empowering vision that we are all
connected with source and that that can
manifest in the most amazing and
wonderful ways. So for me personally
that reframing gives me a more
confident, richer sense of connection
with God than I think I've ever had.
Yep.
And you know, it's it's something that's
happening globally. There's an awakening
happening. And and and what what would
you speak to that? I mean, I would say
my story, I would say your story very
similar, 100% but that's starting to
happen across the globe. I feel like a
lot of us were like forerunners to a lot
of this. It was kind of early on we
found some of this work and and and some
of these things that that piqued our
interest but now
it's global. It's something that that
that there is an awakening happening in
the hearts and the minds of people who
have been bewitched, who have been under
the spell of the clergy and those things
but now there's a freedom and as we're
open and honest with these stories,
they're seeing that hold on, there is
some steady, stable ground under this
for me to explore, to really talk about
and explore the subjects that I feel
like the creator God has drawn me to
whether it be UFOs and aliens, whether
it be studying the science of miracles
which have been beautifully explained by
Joe Dispenza and these kind of guys who
who um you know, would draw a red flag
in the the eyes of religion but people
that were finding it being more
inclusive. But do you think that people
have to give up their religion though,
their faith in Christ and have you had
to give up your your faith in Christ and
the beauty of the cross and those things
and the old rugged cross if you will?
Have you had to take more of a a
different nuance of what that means for
you and what about others coming along
after you?
Different nuance, certainly.
I still regard myself as a Christian
because I love Jesus' teachings and I
seek to live my life according to them
but yes, there's been some reframing and
it has to do with the claim to
exclusivity.
I think the moment you begin
to unravel
the
uh hijacking of Christianity that
happened and you begin to see some of
the doctrines that were
pushed forward by the church in order to
manipulate people. You start unraveling
that and quite frankly again
translation, you only have to do
translation to do that. Translate the
word Gehenna if anyone wants a white
rabbit to follow.
The church has translated it as hell
with all the horrible doctrines that go
with that. Gehenna doesn't mean that.
Yeah. Jesus came and he warned people
against behaviors that would ruin their
lives.
Come on now. Now, once you have
processed that
I I would put it strongly, the gospel
changes. You're looking at a different
gospel the moment you've done that
translation work.
Jesus came to help and he came to help
anyone who would listen to him.
His own story is part of a wider story.
Christians tell the story of the virgin
birth as a reason to regard Jesus as
unique.
Well, you start researching world
mythology ancestral narratives and
you'll realize that an anomalous
pregnancy resulting in an anomalously
clever and sensitive and wise person is
a recurring story. The story of Jesus'
birth and his mother's pregnancy is a
repeat of what happened to his aunt and
his cousin Elizabeth and his cousin John
the Baptist.
That story is told as a repeat of what
happened with Abraham and Sarah and
their son Isaac.
That story is the story of a close
encounter with three sky people as the
Sumerians would call them. So, join the
dots here. We've got a close encounter
with ETs resulting in an anomalous
pregnancy resulting in a very important
human being to the history of planet
Earth.
Well, we've got three of those right
there and then
you listen to the story of the Yellow
Emperor
Lao Tzu
Vipassi Buddha, the 22nd incarnation of
Buddha before Siddhartha Gautama Buddha,
it's the same pattern. And those are
part of a wider range of stories that we
might refer to as the stories of star
children or indigo children.
There are mothers today who
may tell you, although again these are
stories very closely kept.
They might have four kids and they'll
say there's something different about
kid number three and there was something
unusual about that pregnancy and in
their belief there was some external
factor that meant that child came out
more conscious, more sensitive, more
intelligent, something transcendent
about them. Well, Jesus' story fits
absolutely in that wider pattern. Now,
at first that can
come across as very threatening to a
traditional Orthodox Christian because
hang on, isn't that why Jesus is the son
of God? Isn't that why he's the savior?
Well, don't panic.
Don't panic. You know that story. Just
realize it's part of a bigger story and
a bigger
vision of God than perhaps you've done
business with before. But you know, for
different people
it'll be a different white rabbit. Yeah.
Exactly.
it leads to the same great white rabbit
warren and you realize all these topics
are connected.
Yes. Yeah.
They all feed into one another and it's
part of getting a bigger view of what's
going on, where we're living, where
we're from and who we are.
Yeah. And it's part of a bigger thing
and you got to give you have to give up
your exclusivity. Like, no, this is
mine. You can't have it. No, it's for
everyone. It really is and and and God
is is dealing with everyone. As Benny
Hinn I'm not Benny, I'm tripping.
Um,
Billy Graham at the end of his life
talks about how God is has a remnant and
a people
for his namesake that are all over the
earth and they have maybe never even
as even so much have heard the name of
Jesus spoken.
And but they are part of the body of
Christ. Listen, Billy Graham, the
greatest evangelist of our day, said
that before he passed. Absolutely. I
take my hat off to Billy Graham
and you know, I acknowledge he was a
human being. He had his flaws, but he
made an amazing journey. Yeah. And I
think he made that journey as a man of
integrity. I I
actually worked as a counselor at a
couple of Billy Graham missions and I
watched him firsthand in action and I
I really loved watching him work and
there was a great humility to the way he
did it. And there was a humility to the
man in broadening his view as he got
older. He used to be very strong on that
exclusivity
and then toward the end, just as you
were saying Truth Seeker, he was
acknowledging God has not left himself
anywhere without testimony.
And he got so much flak.
a Mason, he's a universalist.
that's right. He's sold out. He's Yeah.
something's happened to him spiritually,
that lit a fire in me, man, to see
the greatest evangelist of our day at
the end of his run. He's done it all,
traveled the world, preached the gospel
to hundreds of thousands of people and
then at the end said, "You know what?
God is more inclusive and more loving
than we've thought and he is with
everyone." Man, that that that really
helped me in my awakening to be more
inclusive and to share the gospel or
declare the gospel as the wonderful work
of God that's already happened and
there's nothing that you can do to
change God's mind about the way that he
feels towards you. Yeah. It
revolutionized it for me. Um, there's a
couple questions here in the chat and
people are asking about, uh
you know, Jesus was different because he
was the only one only person that that
ever came through the Holy Spirit and he
was conceived through the Holy Spirit
and not as a as a sexual encounter. I'm
just going to I'm going to give my
thought. We don't have to go deep into
this. This is my thought. My studies
have led me
to the understanding biblically that
Joseph was the biological father of
Jesus and that
he was of the Holy Spirit and his spirit
was with the father before he came to
the earth and and also that you got to
understand to think that Mary was a
virgin,
Jesus has two older brothers.
And Mary was a virgin? We're not going
to We don't got to explore it. I want to
go I want to go to All right. Let's Let
me I want to give another angle on that
as well.
Really I love a longer conversation with
you on that True Seeker.
But,
um,
not unique because his cousin, same
story.
Exactly. Of the Holy Spirit.
Isaac, the same story. It's the Holy
Spirit in the case of John the Baptist,
it's the same angel,
whatever that is, who turns up and it's
after that encounter that Elizabeth is
pregnant. So, even within the
storytelling of the gospel itself, no,
Jesus's conception is not unique.
Not even in the gospel.
Yeah. So, I throw that out as a
challenge.
Yeah. I'm with you and even whether
whether you you think it's, you know, I
think it's it's it's
he had a human father,
but it doesn't change the fact of his
deity, I would say, and who he was and
his message and what he brought that he
was of the Holy Spirit. Just like many
of you are were conceived of the Holy
Spirit with a message and with an
identity to bring as well. Um, we're
going to open up the phone lines now. I
know there's a lot of people listening
right now. If you guys have a question
for Paul or myself, the phone lines are
open. The number is in the description
wherever you're watching this at. Um but
if you call in, caveat, mute your
YouTube video and just listen to the
audio on your phone when you call in.
Pause the YouTube, mute it, give us a
call. If you have a question, we'll
bring you on air for a question for Paul
or myself. If you want to join the
discussion, we'll open the phone lines
up. Um so, we've kind of tied it into a
biblical worldview. I know we kind of
deviated a little bit. I did that to
bring it back. Well, I want to bring it
back to the aliens. I want to bring it
back to the UFOs.
Um
interesting, somebody in chat who's
who's who's speaking up a good bit. Uh
two questions that I wrote down, they
kind of asked these questions in chat.
So, I want to bring it back to
the fallen angels.
So, you even mentioned the bene ha
Elohim or even in Genesis chapter 6,
there were different beings. And most
people would say the fallen angels came
down and made it with women or angels
who left their first estate and
that you know, there's a lot of
different nuance even in that of of
these fallen angels or these demonic
entities which we call aliens. And like
you know just as well as I do, most
Christians believe that aliens are
demons. And I'm trying to undo that
stigma. Demons are demons.
Aliens are aliens. Uh what what would
you say with with fallen angels and
these people who would say that that
these are the entities that are coming
down or demonic fallen angels that are
trying to mate with humanity and a part
of this hybridization and even working
with our government. And that was the
second part of the question. But what
would you say to that whole idea of
these these demons and things that are
what you're calling aliens or gods are
actually demons. Yeah.
Okay.
The word demon
uh does not mean the same as fallen
angels. You know, if you just read the
stories, you realize those words refer
to totally different kinds of entity.
Uh
fallen angel, yes, that's fair, left
their first estate, that's fair cuz
that's the language of the texts, the
way they're translated.
But you've got to stop and ask what is a
fallen angel?
We use the word angel and we tend to
imagine a
a holy uh transcendent spiritual kind of
being. But the stories of the fallen
angels are of biological entities who
were similar enough to human beings that
they could hybridize with them.
Okay? Now, if you're willing to accept
that when you use the word angel, you're
talking about a biological entity, then
fine, use use the word.
But the word itself
only indicates that the biological
entity you're looking at is on a
mission.
That's all the word angel
tells you.
Follow the story and what you're looking
at is biological entities who came from
the stars, from the skies, came to
Earth, hybridized, and it created a huge
controversy and a great stink and a
conflict among the non-human
demographics in the story. That's the
very least that you can say.
And for my money, if we're talking about
non-human biological entities coming
from space, I'm very comfortable with
calling that an alien uh or an ET.
Yeah, that's the that's the the
difference there is the alien or ET and
then the the difference between what
some people would call a demon. The word
angel, though, I would just come back to
the point about it that the word angel
indicates function, indicates someone on
a mission. It gets used for those
entities, but it will be used to
describe totally different kind of
entities in other stories. So, some of
them are on a good mission, some are on
a mission to help.
So, please don't think cuz you've got
the word angel in English in your
English text that it's telling you about
the same kind of entity every time you
see it. This is why for me everything's
about translation and going back to the
original texts. Um
and I'm I'm
of the a different opinion with when
we're we're talking about demons, right?
I
Demons and angels, whatever that means,
right? Because
the word angel means messenger. We know
this. Um and but the demons
the real demons, not fallen angels,
again, those are different entities, but
the demons carry a message as well. The
demons are messengers, too. Jesus
That's true. Jesus
manifested that, showed that different
types of of of lifestyles, different
types of sins would welcome or open you
up for different type of demonic
activity or attack. So, but and it was a
message. They were messengers, and so
there's definitely a a difference there
with demons and fallen angels.
They're also not physical beings. If
you're thinking about demons in the
Hebrew tradition, Yeah.
they're not physical beings. They are
energy-based parasitical beings, and
that's something else. In other
traditions, the word demon does mean
something physical,
but not in the Hebrew tradition.
Even though they're not physical, right?
So, those would be different type of
entities if we're going back to Genesis
and in the creation story, but for the
phenomena
of someone waking up in their room
and having an entity
at the edge of their bed.
Most
you hear both. It's an alien, it's a
demon, I was abducted, they tried to
stick things in me,
they were looking at me, they were
laying on my chest. I've had these
experiences. I feel like a lot of people
tie them all together. Where they would
say that where
they're aliens or they're demons or
they're the same thing, but these are
different entities and I feel like
there's a mixture there. Have you Have
you thought of that?
I definitely have. In fact, that whole
topic of that confusion is part of the
story thread that runs through the scars
of Eden because
I begin by talking about an encounter I
had when I was 20 years old with some
entities in my apartment in Bath.
And at the time
I didn't know what they were. It was a
terrifying experience and as I reflected
on it as a young Christian, I thought,
well, that must have been a demonic
encounter. Cuz it was horrible, it was
scary, I don't know, they shouldn't have
been there. And the only boxes I had in
my worldview were God, the devil,
angels, demons, human, animal,
vegetable, mineral. It's got to be one
of those. I had no other boxes.
Yeah. Now that I've done a bit more
research and realized there are a heap
of other boxes, I go back to that story
and think, uh-uh-uh, not demonic. They
were physical entities, they weren't
human. I need to tick a different box if
I'm to really understand what that was
about.
I'm with you.
I I In my book I covered elementals and
I've encountered elemental beings and
there's even a lot of Christians
starting to talk about elementals. The
I think it's the
storgeon, I think it's the the Greek
word and the elements that are mentioned
in the New Testament. And I started
writing about the elementals and I've
had I've had encounters with beings that
are made out of the elements and and it
goes back into lore and ancient
literature, but even when you're
breaking down a category of yes, I
encountered the elementals. Hold on.
Which ones? Are we just talking about
earth, air, fire, and water? You know,
those those elements and elementals that
vibrate on those levels of frequency?
No, there's like a lot more. There's the
shades, there's the undines, there's so
many more entities that are in that
universe, if you will.
Right? And we're talking about UFOs and
the aliens and angels, we haven't even
begin to talk about the different races
or the different factions, if you will,
of of benevolent and malevolent ETs that
are watching over us or trying to
communicate with humanity, as well.
That's so true. And you know, even if
you were to confine yourself within the
Bible, you've got other entities named.
You've got elementals, you've got
shining ones, you've got spirits,
whatever they are, that will communicate
with you.
you. Yeah, that's what you've got all
those. And then the moment you're
willing to say there may be information
outside of the Bible, boom, your
worldview is going to explode way open
and you realize this is a far more
interesting planet and universe we live
in than ever you thought before.
Mhm.
Now, again, so I'm I'm mentioning some
of the stuff and I just kind of just let
it slip there, the saying that our
government may be working with
some of these entities. Whether they're
fallen angels, whether they are
creators, you know,
um what would you say that? There's
something called the My Lab experiments
and it's a very very interesting,
um whether that's dealing with
hybridization.
Um that people who have reported being
abducted or being upon ships
and and and waking up and seeing what we
would describe as some kind of alien
grays or reptilian type beings and then
they look in the corner and there's men
in military garb.
Oh, yes. And how
how disturbing
that would be. I mean, it's it's bad
enough
that you're in some environment you
don't know where it is with entities you
don't know what they are. And then when
you realize, "Hey, that's some of our
guys standing over there." Well, how are
you going to live your life after that
kind of experience? But, yes, absolutely
I believe that is what's going on. I
believe that we have had um
contact at covert government levels for
a long, long time.
Uh more than 70 years.
Um Robert Kirk, I mentioned, was a
Presbyterian minister who went to
Aberfoyle in Scotland
uh and wrote a book that he put out in
the early 1600s called The Secret
Commonwealth.
Now, Presbyterian minister, you don't
come much more conservative than that in
the Christian world.
And yet, this is what he is saying.
There's another presence
that has
not only an involvement in human
affairs, but has an influence over human
government.
That's 400 years ago that was being said
just before Christmas to bring it up to
the present day. Haim Eshed, the former
um chief of space security for Israel,
the brigadier general who held that
position for 27 years, came out and said
that on the basis of his experience and
work, his understanding is that there is
an intergalactic federation
in contact at a covert government level
that has chosen not to self-disclose
until humanity's understanding of space
is a bit more developed.
Well, do we believe him? If he's telling
the truth and he's only repeating what
our ancestors have said for thousands of
years,
then all of a sudden, well, maybe you
shouldn't be surprised if there are some
guys in our uniform standing in the
corner while you're being probed.
Yes, I believe covert contact.
Ed Mitchell,
the sixth man to walk on the moon, the
late Ed Mitchell, I think it it would be
hard to find a man of greater honor and
integrity than that.
Even while bound by layers and layers of
official secrets laws, campaigned
for
the USA to declassify its UFO files and
come clean about the contact it has
with ET demographics.
So, I believe him.
I believe Haim Eshed. And so, yes, that
means there is some kind of conversation
going on. The reason
that um Ed Mitchell wanted all that to
be disclosed is because he believed that
as a species,
we should be at that table.
We should be part of the conversation.
We should be able to say, "Uh this is
our planet. This is us. These are our
agendas." And to have the intelligence
to have diplomatic relationships with
other demographics who are with us and
who are for us and have a nurturing
relationship to us because our ancestors
say
that there are people here from the
Pleiades. There are people here from
Lyra. There are people here from Sirius
who
have a very protective and
um generous relationship towards
humanity. If that's true, if that's the
case, if we have friends at the table,
then we need to be there and part of the
conversation. Ed Mitchell believed it
was possible. Haim Eshed believes it's
possible, which is why he made the
statement. They have more privileged
information than I do, but they
certainly give me the confidence to
believe the same thing.
What do you think
that this is getting us ready for? And I
guess what is the purpose of your book?
Do you think that this is getting people
ready for disclosure that's going to
happen whether it's from our government
or just from the skies?
Is that Is that
Ah, yes, good. To give people
That's a good distinction.
I think um if we're thinking about
disclosure from uh human authorities,
uh disclosure is always blended with
cover-up. You know, if a document is
declassified,
that's great. What was the document that
wasn't declassified? Or if a document is
declassified, great. Can I read the
redacted bits? There's always a blend
that happens in these moments of
disclosure, and I think
some of the reasoning behind the soft
disclosure we're in now, where we've got
a number of
senior figures like Haim Eshed speaking
about these things,
maybe is a kind of insurance policy
against disclosure coming from non-human
authorities. That if suddenly it becomes
blindingly obvious we've got company,
the government can say, "Oh, don't you
remember we told you this? Remember the
Senate briefings?" They'll say in a few
months' time. "We told you this was the
case." And it's sort of as a an
insurance measure rather than a "We'll
come clean. We'll tell you everything we
know."
So, I don't know um
if I'd put it as strongly as getting us
ready. I think having some kind of
safety net
uh for if the news comes out. I think
that's more where we're at in my
opinion.
Yeah.
I'm with you. Um
We have a question here from uh Adam
Starsiak Bay and uh
he wants to know
what are your ideas or findings about
the many mysteries of Antarctica? Many
people who come on here, especially when
we're talking about flat Earth, all the
flat Earth guys are like, "Antarctica,
all signs point to this ice wall that we
cannot get past or whatever." In
Antarctica, that there's another another
alien civilization on that side. But
what are what are your findings and does
that stick out to you at all?
It is fascinating. It's not a topic I've
really
delved into at this point,
but there are certainly reasons to do
that, not least
Admiral Byrd's testimony from all those
decades ago, uh not least the no-go
areas that exist.
I strongly suspect we are looking at a
presence there, that we're looking at
current technology and buried
technology.
Um I think there
there is a rich vein to be studied in
Antarctica. I've not yet done that study
myself, so I can't really speak to it.
I'd just say, "Yeah, keep looking in
that direction cuz there's stuff going
on there."
What do you think? Let's just go out on
a limb just here at the end of the show.
What do you think our craziest
technology that we have
right now, the government has on the
planet? What do you think the craziest
technology is?
The craziest technology that we have?
Well, I I think that part of our
conversation with some of our ET
neighbors
um has included
um
a system of travel through the cosmos
that is connected to consciousness.
Um if you watch the science fiction,
uh
we're at a point now where the ships
turn up like that. They just pop into
this bit of space.
And I mentioned science fiction because
um privileged information has a way of
leaking into
uh filmmaking and storytelling.
And so if you've seen
uh in Star Wars or Star Trek ships
popping into space, well, that actually
reflects what some of our military have
reported. I think that phenomenon has to
do with travel through space or through
subspace, we might call it,
uh
that has connected consciousness with
technology.
And when you listen to
uh
uh our naval personnel, our Air Force
personnel talking about how some of
these UAPs maneuver, they say they're
moving like they're animals, like you're
looking at a conscious thing rather than
a craft that's being piloted.
Yeah. So,
I say
I say collaboration cuz I wouldn't
go as far to say we have that
technology. I think our friends have
that technology, and we've been with
them when it's been deployed, and maybe
some of our ancients, when they talk
about being taken into another region of
space, they're talking about that kind
of thing. So, I find that very, very
interesting.
I think the moment you you get into the
role of consciousness and material
phenomena,
start joining the dots from some
contemporary uh quantum research,
uh listen to our ancestors when they
took the Celts talk about the sidhe or
Aboriginal Australians talk about
dreamtime, I think we're in that
territory where consciousness can uh
actually achieve real physical travel.
So, I think that's the most
mind-bending.
At the mechanical end, I think we have
anti-gravitic
travel. I I and I think maybe some of
the UAPs or UFOs that have been viewed
are part of that experimentation process
by us.
Uh so I think we've got at least those
two things.
Which is amazing enough.
Yeah.
Um the advanced technology and and then
we're we're talking about consciousness
and how the technology is is
connected to our consciousness or or our
consciousness is the advanced
technology. Um
Yes. being able to manifest and see some
pretty interesting things at will that
for some people are getting faster and
faster in order to manifest things
within their life or even UFO contact.
Whatever these things are, our gods, our
ancestors, a future version of
ourselves, your higher self, there's a
lot of different explanations that
people, you know, whatever is out there,
a lot of it is is connected to your
thoughts.
Yes.
respond and show up and wink
at your thoughts. It's very very
interesting, whether we're creating it
and it's showing itself
in our reality as we ask for it, as we
look for it, just like manifestation
with the law of attraction. Whatever you
look for shows itself to you. Well,
let's step into the universe with space
alien ancestors. Are you there with the
vastness of space and time and history?
On some timeline it's out there. Well,
can you say hello? Can you show yourself
to us? And
we're seeing some really really really
interesting things when it comes down
the lines of synchronicities and and and
deja vu's and the matrix and all of
that. Um Yep. consciousness is more um
explorative and and
you know, we can shape our reality
through our thoughts.
And how real it is is very, very, very
interesting. And And we are
pioneering that um
individually. People can explore that on
their own without any schooling, even
without any training.
Definitely. Without any training, doing
your own inner work and just ex- the
spirit of expectancy, placebo if you
will, and be able to manifest whatever
kind of spiritual, supernatural, or
uh
your reality that you're trying to
weave.
I agree. I agree with everything you've
just said, and I think one of the most
freeing skills to develop in a personal
exploration is to learn to ask the
universe your questions.
Uh ask the universe your questions, and
um
uh expect an answer.
And I'm finding that the the more I ask,
the more I see. Yeah. Didn't Jesus say
that? It's the asking one who receives.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's it. You have not
because you asked not.
ask not.
And that is a universal truth.
And I don't think he made that up. I
think that that was even around
hundreds, if not thousands, of years
before we've got that story. But it is a
a truth that echoes throughout eternity.
Paul, what um what's next, man? What do
you What What do you see coming down the
pipeline?
Well, right now I'm in the thick of
launching The Scars of Eden, so heaps of
uh conversations, interviews, summits,
conferences. Hopefully, we're both going
to be at Holy Grail Multiverse in
November at Palm Springs, which I'm
really looking forward to.
I reckon if I if I know my own rhythms
right, it'll be July that I'll be
sitting down to begin working on the
sequel to The Scars of Eden. And for
that book, I'm delving into the question
of what other knowledge was buried along
with our ancestors knowledge of ET
contact. And in particular, I want to
sit at the feet of some of our elders of
indigenous traditions.
And the white rabbits I'm following are
people who've gone through traditional
initiation
in African tribal cultures
who get those questions answered for
them at that point.
Native American story is rich with
answers about our place in the cosmos.
I'm going to go there.
Aboriginal Australian, the same. I'm
going to go there. And I have a
particular connection with the
Philippines. And I'm going to go there
and listen to what our ancestors have
known, have curated, the knowledge
that's survived all the burnings and
bannings. And then looking at the
evidences
again in contemporary science and
through history that corroborate what
our ancestors have to say.
When you meet those people,
you'll find that there there's an inner
knowing
that we both know something
um that we
haven't talked about or or haven't been
privy to articulate with
the modern world. It's a very beautiful
experience to sit with the elders who
who keep and hold those traditions. And
I do think that many of them now are
open to share with with seekers um
because of um Yes.
of that a lot of that knowledge is
dying, whether it's being attacked,
whether it's being taken by force and
erased off of the face of the earth,
which we've seen time and time again. We
talked about it at the beginning. So, I
think that those conversations are
even more needed from other people
groups who want to learn about the
indigenous ways and and and how we were
seated here, our spiritual knowledge.
And and and you'll find again, like we
said, releasing the
exclusivity
and seeing that a lot of these stories
match up. I remember going to the Native
American reservation here in Porch
Alabama and and meeting people and
shaking their hand. Some of the elder
natives and I can feel the energy and it
was just this inner knowing. And I said,
"Hey, tell me about the star people,
man."
Tell me about the star people. And they
were Catholic, you know, they had kind
of renounced that kind of thing. I was
just part of what's what happened. But
they still remember the stories and
traditions of their youth and they
shared them, you know.
That's right. And I do believe that
uh some of the elders who carry these
stories are seeing how desperately the
rest of us need Yeah. the knowledge that
they have curated. And we're at a time
where there is not only the need, but I
think a greater receptivity
to
go back to people we've ignored and sit
down and listen and receive and be
informed. Yeah.
There's some beautiful people out there.
Paul, many blessings on your journey,
man. I know we'll do more stuff
together. Really love what you're
bringing to the table. Resonate with
your story, resonate with your work.
Thanks so much for hanging out with me.
Means the world. I know you're busy and
uh you getting getting this this good
work and word out there, man. Thanks for
hanging out with me. I really appreciate
it. Let people know where they can go to
uh the best place to go to to find out
more about your work and and you have a
you have a great body of work as well.
You have a lot that you bring to the
table, not just these books, but other
programs and documentaries even and and
all of those things. Let people know
where they can go to get involved.
Sure. Well, for The Scars of Eden, which
is my latest book, you can go anywhere
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And you can keep up with the
documentaries, the books, and everything
else, the research that I'm doing.
And Paul, you cover a lot of topics.
Again, spirituality, Jesus, history,
religion, all of those things. You you
tie it all back in. But there's
something about your UFO, your alien
work that seems to be of interest to
people. A lot of your videos are in the
millions of views now. Is that something
that you seen that there was an interest
in and you just wanted to to double down
on what the people were interested in in
researching?
No, it's it's more me following my nose
and my passion and the things I'm
finding out and joining the dots. And
happily finding that a lot of people
want to share that journey.
For sure. For sure.
Man, hey. Appreciate it, man. You got
good content, good work.
I'm a subscriber.
Siga. I love what you got going on,
brother. Let's connect again, brother.
I love what you're doing and I'm really
looking forward to our next
conversation, too.
We'll we'll find another topic and and
we'll we'll we'll go down the rabbit
hole, brother. I appreciate it, man.
Many blessings, bro.
And to you. All right, good night.
Peace. Shalom.
Say good night. He's uh in Australia,
it's morning for him. So. Anyway, uh
man, I hope you guys enjoyed that
episode. I really did. Paul Wallace is a
is amazing. And th- this subject can be
taboo for for many people. It could be
scary. Again, I know people early on
when I was getting into a lot of this
stuff who were uh afraid and and the the
the notion of ETs and aliens that that
they really believed in.
But how does it how do I reconcile it
with my faith? And so that's the biggest
question because for many people it
undoes everything that they've been
told, everything that they've studied,
all of their religious experience and
religious encounter with the divine.
Was it merely chalked up to space
aliens? You know, and so that was a very
detrimental for a lot of people to wrap
their head around. And And for some
people it it really
messes up their faith. For me it it had
quite the opposite because it wasn't
detrimental. It didn't question my
faith. It made me believe that it was
something more real.
That there are portals between heaven
and earth and that the angels,
the messengers, the bene ha Elohim, the
watchers, all of these these seraphim,
the rephaim, the cherubim, all of these
angels that are traveling back and forth
from heaven to earth like the Bible says
and like all the other books of
antiquity say say.
But that you can go out under the night
sky
and with an open mind and an open heart,
you can see these travels.
Now, you may not You may have to spend
more than 5 to 15 minutes.
May have to spend
7 hours.
But how bad do you want it? I wanted it
bad.
Stayed out there hours every day every
day every day much as I could looking up
all the time. Driving looking up,
stargazing, listen.
It it it made everything more real to
me.
That there were
entities, that there were angels
carrying messages, carrying essences.
Heck, the angels themselves are an
essence.
An essence is a message.
The Bible is full of this.
Genesis to Revelation. And uh it made it
more real to me.
And so that's why I study it. It is
definitely a part of my faith.
And uh and it's a very real part.
With that, I'm going to say peace and
shalom. Thank you guys for hanging out.
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Love you guys. I'm going to say peace
and shalom. I'm truthseeker and thanks
for hanging out with me. Peace. Peace.
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