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In this episode of the TruthSeekah Podcast TruthSeekah is joined by Nate Bauman & Brandon Whitlock of the band These 5 Down as they discuss their new music, inspiration and spirituality. In January of 2000 These 5 Down released their debut self titled album that changed the course of christian rock. It was still the early days of christian music and most everything that was out was either extremely heavy or moderately soft. There wasn’t much of anything that remotely sounded like it embodied the sound of the time until These 5 Down came on to the scene. At the time Nu-Metal bands like Kittie, KoRn, Disturbed, Coal Chamber and Marilyn Manson were at the top of the chats in secular music and the majority of everything in the christian world was a cheap rip off and in fact sounded dated (some have suggested seven years behind). Their debut album not only was a breath of fresh air at the time but sounded current to the sound that was popular at the time and created a great alternative for people to enjoy their favorite sound without all the negative and profane lyrics. Their sound as well as their hard work and success is what led them to eventually be picked up by Absolute Records. Several other christian bands came on the scene during this time that seemed to take the same pursuit such as Travail, Project 86, Pax 217 and a few others. These 5 Down’s debut album challenged everything out at the time in christian rock and in doing so they received their fair share of scrutiny from the church.

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During the interview lead vocalist Nate Bauman shared that they weren’t keen on playing too many church gigs at the time but felt more comfortable playing at back yard barbecues or the local bar scene. The lyrics were in your face hardcore truth about the dangers of over indulgence and inflated egos yet seasoned with the grace and truth of the gospel of Christ. There is one song on the album titled “Hymn” that is a hardcore spiritual warfare song and almost acts as a song of deliverance as it challenged the spirits of the age taunting the fact that they would all be cast out by the name of Jesus. With this album being 19 years old in 2019 it still holds up today for anyone looking for great sounding christian metal. Their follow up album “Friction” was released a few years after the band had already broken up. The bands sound seemed to deviate a bit on this project as the group lost a few of its members and others came and went during the writing process which changed the sound of the band. For reasons unknown Absolute Records promoted the release of “Friction” but these release date kept being pushed back again and again until it was a few years down the road in which it finally was released.
During the interview the guys spoke about their upcoming project, new material and have released a new single entitled “Coming of the Son” which is now available on their website. It seems as if after all these years These 5 Down haven’t missed a beat and this new material is something that fans old and new are already in love with. We also spoke about Brandon and Nate’s spirituality, evolution of faith and their relationships with Christ.


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delighted to be with you guys again

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breath with you all I just thankful to

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be here man beautiful stuff so that

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tonight impromptu interview kind of

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nostalgic for me we’re gonna be talking

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about some old memories and some stuff

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dating back in the late 90s early 2000s

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bring it back to present date and what’s

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coming from this band here so I’m

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already you know seeing a bunch of

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people talking in the chat everybody

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excited to be here

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the band is these five down some of you

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guys have never heard of them before

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but as I’m reading in the comments some

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of you guys have already went and

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checked them out since I put this

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podcast teaser up and you guys are

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saying wow this is really good stuff so

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don’t know who they are but you enjoy

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the music that’s good stuff make sure

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you guys go check them out whether it’s

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you know after this podcast or whatever

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but it’s gonna be good we’re gonna get

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into some deep stuff so I want to say a

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without further ado I’m not going to

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keep these gentlemen waiting

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I have Brandon and Nate from the band

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these five down brother brothers welcome

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to the show man what’s going on hey

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thanks for having us what I do YouTube

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what up everybody new chat say what’s up

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man so these five down man so it’s an

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honor to talk to you guys man back in

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the you know the early days of my

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Christian experience probably you know

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2002 maybe you know I became a believer

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again in 2000 came back to the Lord and

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was looking for for Christian music and

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listening to bands like Korn and stuff

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like that at the time and cold chamber

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and went with some church buddies at a

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prayer meetings and stuff so I need some

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some Christian heavy metal what does

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some Christian happy metal and they say

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okay it’s a band called Audio Adrenaline

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man they’re really heavy that’s okay

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Audio Adrenaline is the Christian so I’m

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going from listening to corn to listen

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to audio Journal I was like it is what

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it is and then I found some heavier

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stuff like in the beginning and then I

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found some stuff like living sacrifice

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which was a little bit too heavy for me

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and then he at the time and then

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eventually I found a band called travail

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and I was blown away to find a pretty

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much a Christian version of corn at the

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time after travail it

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a band called ds5 down from michigan

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right yes I mean I’m saying you guys and

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travail early on that um saying new

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metal rap core is kind of stuff man

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there was nothing like it for Christians

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to listen to and everybody there was a

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lot of charts out there like these

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comparison charts like if you’re a

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Christian and you don’t want to listen

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to Korn anymore you don’t want to listen

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to Marilyn Manson or whatever so they

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had these comparison charts that say

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okay this band sounds like Manson this

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band sounds like cold chamber and it was

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cool early on right so I found you guys

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and um that was like I said probably

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back in 2001 2002 so it’s a pleasure and

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to be able to have you guys on my

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podcast now you guys released your first

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album what was it like

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I think it’s 18 years ago this month was

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it it wasn’t into January of 2000 mm

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yeah yeah that’s correct and you just

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asked me to pull that date oh you’re

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obviously the researcher I I wouldn’t

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even have been able to tell you when I

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knew it came out it’s better not to

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think about it like time is scary man

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right I mean that cuz the whole thing

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with you know being a parent and or

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putting out material now you have

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something that dates yourself like when

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you look back you see your kid growing

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up you’re like oh wow

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time is real right and then you have

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these albums you look back 18 years ago

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don’t tell me that and you know I’m

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saying and then so so much has changed

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and and I’m saying you guys are here now

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but that early music spent especially

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that that that album changed

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I think changed Christian music because

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it was you guys were like forerunners to

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like you know I’m saying that that type

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type of sound of what came after and uh

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and I’m gonna shut up here in a minute

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I’m just kind of fanboying out a little

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bit man is this an honor to talk to

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y’all but I’m guys post posted this one

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on Facebook and for those of you guys

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who don’t see can’t see it I went ahead

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and purchase that somebody

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a mint-condition they took really good

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care of this like in perfect condition

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bro it’s like a mint-condition ad for

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the debut album and on the back we got a

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picture one of my other favorite

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christian rock bands it’s kind of these

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guys would be with the if you was to do

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the comparison with 311 back in the day

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this is packs 217 I’ve seen I seen those

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guys a bunch and a lot of different

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festivals and skating rings and things

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like that never got the chance to see

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you guys hopefully here maybe within the

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next upcoming months maybe you know we

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can make it happen I remember talking to

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you Nate oh man this was probably 2005

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maybe I was trying to book a show and I

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actually spoke with you on the phone for

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a few minutes I was trying to get the

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funds together to bring you guys down

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but it it didn’t work out and you know

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same kind of felt felt through so I’m

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done fanboying out man I’m gonna let you

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guys talk a little bit let’s start off

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with you I’m in Mobile Alabama so I’m

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I’m hallway I’m all the way south so uh

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but let’s talk a little bit about the

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first album man because that that thing

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kind of like I said I think it changed

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Christian music and what was to come

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after and what was okay talk a little

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bit about you know I’m saying the sound

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of the album saying were you in like the

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writing process were y’all trying to

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emulate your favorite secular bands at

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the time or what was the whole

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inspiration behind the first these five

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down album I think I think we all had

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our influences not necessarily all

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Christian you know some people had been

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believers longer than thirst but I guess

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everybody had their influences and I

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think they all I mean obviously we had

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certain ones that we had in common you

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know I guess their way just kind of

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brought their own to the to the table

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really yeah I mean in the beginning I

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mean we’re pretty young I don’t know if

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we had a goal it was just we’re kind of

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just I think we were trying

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makes up that we were excited about you

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know as like it listeners like this um

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you know did we felt that we thought it

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was cool that we want in there there you

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know felt like it fit with with the

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sound of what we were exposed to at that

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time you know uh had you guys had heard

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about you know I’m sayin travail or any

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of these other Christian metal bands at

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the time cuz you guys were like pioneers

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to some of that stuff I feel like yeah

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maybe maybe we were we were kind of

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heavier hard chorus then then what was

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out there kind of in the in the surface

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of that of the Christian scene as far as

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Christian rock stuff we were heavier at

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time than some of that stuff but being

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you know coming out you plan these small

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little places around you know the

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underground scene it was a lot of and

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there still is and there was prior to us

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but there was a lot of heavy heavy stuff

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it just it never it’s kind of like

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regular mainstream music it just never

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kind of breaks wide you know what I mean

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yeah maybe we’re maybe we were say maybe

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we brought that harder heavier edge into

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the Christian rock scene on a broader

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scale because we got picked up by radio

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a little bit and you know stuff like

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that maybe that helped to usher in

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because I know after after we were kind

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of on that scene there was some some

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other heavier stuff come off and you

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know maybe we were just right there at

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the right time you know during that mix

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I think it I think it’s interesting how

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he mentioned because I don’t think we

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were aware of it I just don’t want him

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saying that we were kind of frontrunner

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than that

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bringing that to the Christian scene

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it’s interesting that you would say that

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because I feel like I think we all did

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we we honestly got I feel like

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discouraged here and there because we

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took a lot of flack for what we were

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doing at that time

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shall I go to open – yeah a lot of

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people weren’t very encouraging about

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what we were doing musically that was

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music I mean come on exactly and also I

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think another part of it too is when we

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before we got the deal we didn’t come up

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in I mean we were believers and we had

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Christian music but we didn’t come up in

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the Christian scene we I mean we played

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bars and stuff like that was where we

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kind of you know started playing because

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we didn’t know where we didn’t know word

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play you know what I think like we

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weren’t really a part of a Christian

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scene I guess you know we had our belief

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right but uh we were aware right but we

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didn’t just stick to that scene it’s

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like we grew up in church but uh yeah

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when we started playing shows that you

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know the kind of began with backyard

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barbecues or just one anywhere really

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you know it wasn’t necessarily a

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Christian environment I guess yeah so

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with that you know I’m saying breaking

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the mold and the stereotype early on and

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you said and so so I you guys played

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some bars and stuff like that and you

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guys were probably better received in

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the bars and stuff in the backyards

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versus at some of the youth groups and

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stuff did you guys you know I’m saying

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make that that that I’m saying those

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rounds as well in the youth groups and

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get some of those weird looks and as

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soon as the first note is strong they’re

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like you know yeah yeah it’s really

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weird in some settings it was we’re a

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bit a bit much maybe more than they they

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have experienced prior so much of it now

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it’s pretty cool pretty

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cool how I mean yeah there’s stuff

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obviously now it’s way more extreme than

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anything we were ever doing and uh

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people are totally open for it you know

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going back to your audio adrenaline I

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guess in that time all you adrenaline

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was you know Christian rock they were

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they were what people thought of when

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the term Christian rock with you that’s

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that’s that’s what people gave me it was

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the audio gentleman album and it was

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something from going from you know

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listening the corn listening to Manson

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Pantera you know coaching or who I felt

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um saying you guys were like a great

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embodiment for me for a coach amber I

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was a huge coach amber fan and to hear

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your vocals Nate you know I’m saying in

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the way you approach the mic your

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cadence as well and just you I’m saying

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the you know if I yeah I guess if you

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want to call it a nu metal at the time

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it was it was perfect so from going from

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listening to you know coach amber and

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all that stuff and listening to audio

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adrenaline you feel kind of let down

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until you find these five down or that

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band that kind of replaces you know I’m

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saying the old secular music that you

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were listening to and there was a lot of

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Christians who had that experience or

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whatever they found their favorite you

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know I’m saying secular being like a

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Christian version of it and I know that

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even kind of sounds cliche and like a

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knockoff like I’m a I’m not my own

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entity because what you guys brought to

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the table um saying had your own style

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to it as well but as far as saying that

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like you’re just like a Christian

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version of that that’s definitely not

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what I’m trying to say but you’re going

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to get the comparisons you know what I’m

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saying in especially with John yeah we’d

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be in that genre you know well yeah

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that’s the kind of stuff we like I mean

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I obviously everybody had different

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influences but I think the core of a lot

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of stuff that we all mostly agreed on it

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wouldn’t be in that vein approaching you

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know I’m saying this and some of the

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songs on the old album there so the

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first album there’s there’s so many

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songs on there that stand out man I mean

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it’s almost like every song could have

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been a single right just pick which one

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you want to release

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obviously some of them are saying deeper

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than others there’s a sense of spiritual

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warfare and the vocals and stuff like

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that were you going through some of that

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stuff have you been through you I’m

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saying intense spiritual warfare or

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anything like that because it definitely

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came across in the lyrics with media

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with low with him especially with him

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but was it was there was there that kind

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of theme approaching the the the writing

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process of the album it was you know ah

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it’s funny to say that the whole

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spiritual warfare I mean I think I think

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everybody kind of deals with some of

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that throughout some of their life but I

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I had a lot of my background I had this

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I had this sense of you know it is a it

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is a war a battle this life – there’s a

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battle between good and evil sort of

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thing going on and I and I always

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gravitated to this sense of you know I’m

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gonna be one of those people in God’s

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army I’m gonna be a warrior for God’s

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kingdom sort of you know that that

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appealed to me does that come from

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being a warrior of Satan’s Kingdom at

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one point causing destruction just

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living reckless and so you know I’ve

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talked to a lot of people on here who

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are like in the light now whether

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they’re Christians or light workers or

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whatever and there’s this weird sense of

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like I have to even if it’s not you know

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saying at the forefront of their

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consciousness it’s like I’m doing this

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I’m serving God now because I’m trying

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to undo a lot of the wreckage and bad

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stuff that I did in the past you think

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some of that was there a little bit –

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maybe not maybe not so much you know

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tied to because of or that I had to undo

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the bad stuff it’s just more more of a

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sense it actually you know I’ll touch on

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that for a second I I look back and and

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some of where I was personally and

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spiritually I was I can look back and

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see that I was a little off based on on

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some of some of my position of who I

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thought I was you know what I mean

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with that edge that that warrior sort of

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spirit warrior edge did come through and

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and that’s you know not that it’s not

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that it not that I wasn’t that but I

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have a I have a different perspective

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today what it what all that’s even about

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you know what I mean but that’s just

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like a natural process though for

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anybody kind of coming out was it kind

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of similar for you a little bit to

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Brandon did you kind of experience

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experience that too well as far as far

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as like coming out of the darkness or

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coming out of the world or I don’t know

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if you guys were into because there’s a

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lot of darker themes I used to do this

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but now I’m this did you kind of know

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whether it was dealing with drugs or

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alcoholism or witchcraft or anything

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like that did you come out of a I’m

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saying that that I kind of background as

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well when you became a Christian or

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started doing Christian maybe I don’t

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know what to be honest I mean I thought

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well I I grew up in church my whole life

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I don’t know you know that doesn’t mean

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you’re Christian but I guess I’ve been

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aware of God and you know the word and

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stuff like that my whole life but uh

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yeah I mean I definitely dealt with

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times where I’ve fallen away and had to

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come back and things like that but um I

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guess yeah I’ve always thankfully I’ve

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always kind of known the truth you know

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sometimes I didn’t listen been able to

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find the centers were yeah

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I started I started doing Christian

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hip-hop in like started messing around

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by 2003 2004 put on my first album in

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2006 and it’s kind of hard to go back

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and listen to that stuff now theology

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wise for one understanding growth

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spiritually there is even nostalgia of

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that people wish I still did that type

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of music today but that’s just you know

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I’m saying sonically it’s it’s you know

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from the you know I’m saying the late

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90s or whatever but even the stuff I’m

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talking about killing the devil with how

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much shooting the devil with guns and

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you know it’s all and a lot of it is

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talking like almost like maybe you don’t

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saying how you guys did the song lo how

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it was talking about this scenario of

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these people like hey you’re using

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people you’re abusing people to get what

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you want out of life and there’s always

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like all these songs and not just me but

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there’s a lot of Christian music like

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that of kind of embodying this person

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who maybe represents the majority of

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people – you know I’m saying on the

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narrow I mean on the broad road and I

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look back on it now and I cringe at it

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for me do you feel that way a little bit

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with some of those lyrics maybe with him

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because him is a straight it’s a

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spiritual warfare song it’s a powerful

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song but as far as you grow in and I’m

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not knocking that song that song says

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still as powerful today as it was back

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then I believe but as far as your

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theology and your growth changing do you

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look at songs like that and some of the

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stuff that you brought to the table a

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little bit differently or is it or do

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you respect it or do you cringe cringe

496
00:23:19,440 –> 00:23:27,450
from it I I’ve got a I’ve got a sense of

497
00:23:23,910 –> 00:23:33,030
respect for it still and that that hymn

498
00:23:27,450 –> 00:23:39,120
song that the whole idea behind that is

499
00:23:33,030 –> 00:23:43,710
just it’s a essentially a prayer that we

500
00:23:39,120 –> 00:23:47,580
would we would lead off our set with you

501
00:23:43,710 –> 00:23:50,880
know after it existed and that’s what we

502
00:23:47,580 –> 00:23:56,700
would open with and it was just kind of

503
00:23:50,880 –> 00:23:58,700
a that that

504
00:23:56,700 –> 00:24:03,269
that spiritual warrior positioning

505
00:23:58,700 –> 00:24:06,239
letting that spirit world know who we

506
00:24:03,269 –> 00:24:09,330
are and the authority that we’re going

507
00:24:06,239 –> 00:24:10,799
to have here in this setting to go

508
00:24:09,330 –> 00:24:14,789
forward with the rest of what we’ve got

509
00:24:10,799 –> 00:24:17,129
sort of thing not that I like I don’t

510
00:24:14,789 –> 00:24:19,889
necessarily cringe at any of that any of

511
00:24:17,129 –> 00:24:24,239
the concepts that were covered I always

512
00:24:19,889 –> 00:24:28,889
tried to you know even though at times I

513
00:24:24,239 –> 00:24:32,850
may have you know been a little bit

514
00:24:28,889 –> 00:24:37,909
focused in full of myself I always tried

515
00:24:32,850 –> 00:24:40,919
to have a sense of I really want to be

516
00:24:37,909 –> 00:24:46,529
uttering the words that God would have

517
00:24:40,919 –> 00:24:49,230
me say in any of this you know you know

518
00:24:46,529 –> 00:24:53,009
and that’s not to say that none of my

519
00:24:49,230 –> 00:24:56,899
self got in there but for the most part

520
00:24:53,009 –> 00:25:01,429
I’m uncomfortable like and I I

521
00:24:56,899 –> 00:25:04,950
appreciate the songs for what they are

522
00:25:01,429 –> 00:25:09,119
and you know just like you I’ve heard a

523
00:25:04,950 –> 00:25:11,009
lot of that story and it you know coming

524
00:25:09,119 –> 00:25:12,929
from the perspective of the people

525
00:25:11,009 –> 00:25:20,279
writing it putting it I will put it out

526
00:25:12,929 –> 00:25:23,340
as art sort of it’s we’re doing it and

527
00:25:20,279 –> 00:25:26,190
we’re hat we’re just doing what feels

528
00:25:23,340 –> 00:25:31,590
right and what’s fun and what what seems

529
00:25:26,190 –> 00:25:35,730
good and then to hear stuff like your

530
00:25:31,590 –> 00:25:38,129
experience with with our music you know

531
00:25:35,730 –> 00:25:41,669
I’ve heard I’ve heard similar things to

532
00:25:38,129 –> 00:25:45,210
what you had to say about like you know

533
00:25:41,669 –> 00:25:47,489
it was a it was an alternative for

534
00:25:45,210 –> 00:25:50,249
somebody coming out of a dark place in

535
00:25:47,489 –> 00:25:54,570
their life and if something really good

536
00:25:50,249 –> 00:25:59,659
for them to have and and that just that

537
00:25:54,570 –> 00:26:02,039
alone is really cool to me it just those

538
00:25:59,659 –> 00:26:04,289
those those people peppered throughout

539
00:26:02,039 –> 00:26:06,590
the population maybe it’s something that

540
00:26:04,289 –> 00:26:09,269
they needed right then in their life you

541
00:26:06,590 –> 00:26:10,450
know and that’s that’s the whole reason

542
00:26:09,269 –> 00:26:13,000
that

543
00:26:10,450 –> 00:26:16,210
this whole unit chained together and did

544
00:26:13,000 –> 00:26:22,000
what we did at the time you know um it

545
00:26:16,210 –> 00:26:26,080
was all about being uh for me my my

546
00:26:22,000 –> 00:26:28,300
position was about being an available

547
00:26:26,080 –> 00:26:30,450
vessel for God to use you know what I

548
00:26:28,300 –> 00:26:30,450
mean

549
00:26:31,380 –> 00:26:41,140
yeah whatever whatever he needed wanted

550
00:26:36,940 –> 00:26:43,690
to use before yeah so like when went

551
00:26:41,140 –> 00:26:45,520
like whenever you guys would play you

552
00:26:43,690 –> 00:26:47,530
would open up with him kind of set the

553
00:26:45,520 –> 00:26:49,390
atmosphere and then we just ask you this

554
00:26:47,530 –> 00:26:51,070
because like as I’m coming from playing

555
00:26:49,390 –> 00:26:52,720
in bands and stuff as well there was a

556
00:26:51,070 –> 00:26:54,130
sense of especially the Christian bands

557
00:26:52,720 –> 00:26:55,960
whether you’re in the bar or whether

558
00:26:54,130 –> 00:26:58,690
you’re in the church or whatever a sense

559
00:26:55,960 –> 00:27:00,970
where you just kind of you’re that

560
00:26:58,690 –> 00:27:03,640
spiritual warrior but did you guys

561
00:27:00,970 –> 00:27:06,310
worship on stage even to that um sent to

562
00:27:03,640 –> 00:27:08,230
the heavy crunch of the guitar you don’t

563
00:27:06,310 –> 00:27:11,140
send to the drop D tuning would you guys

564
00:27:08,230 –> 00:27:13,240
worshipping at like I’m st. playing the

565
00:27:11,140 –> 00:27:15,000
music as well even though it was heavy

566
00:27:13,240 –> 00:27:22,170
music that it was that something that

567
00:27:15,000 –> 00:27:25,660
happened at all what’s a more doable I

568
00:27:22,170 –> 00:27:30,520
wouldn’t say that we were like in a in a

569
00:27:25,660 –> 00:27:32,380
spirit of worship yeah you know it was

570
00:27:30,520 –> 00:27:36,010
more so you were saying earlier yeah

571
00:27:32,380 –> 00:27:40,990
worker I come coming out you know coming

572
00:27:36,010 –> 00:27:44,560
to to lay down a message and make it

573
00:27:40,990 –> 00:27:48,190
pretty plain and and have a pillar

574
00:27:44,560 –> 00:27:50,890
backing track with it and smash the

575
00:27:48,190 –> 00:27:54,760
place you know and let it resonate with

576
00:27:50,890 –> 00:27:58,170
people who ever needed you know who ever

577
00:27:54,760 –> 00:28:03,550
needed to hear it wasn’t necessarily

578
00:27:58,170 –> 00:28:05,440
okay a worship sort of thing good stuff

579
00:28:03,550 –> 00:28:08,050
yeah I could I could see that though and

580
00:28:05,440 –> 00:28:09,700
uh but you know that your words are kind

581
00:28:08,050 –> 00:28:12,340
of like permeating the atmosphere and

582
00:28:09,700 –> 00:28:14,380
just changing especially with him you

583
00:28:12,340 –> 00:28:15,850
don’t in not just him but there’s so

584
00:28:14,380 –> 00:28:17,380
many other songs but you’re just

585
00:28:15,850 –> 00:28:19,420
changing the atmosphere or whatever as

586
00:28:17,380 –> 00:28:21,580
you’re speaking that stuff out let me

587
00:28:19,420 –> 00:28:24,039
ask you this cuz I’m curious as well the

588
00:28:21,580 –> 00:28:26,109
artwork for the debut

589
00:28:24,039 –> 00:28:27,729
album who put that together the artists

590
00:28:26,109 –> 00:28:29,399
and whose idea and can you explain a

591
00:28:27,729 –> 00:28:35,759
little bit of it because that’s really

592
00:28:29,399 –> 00:28:42,759
interesting it’s good stuff though well

593
00:28:35,759 –> 00:28:45,639
it was a piece of art that we weren’t we

594
00:28:42,759 –> 00:28:48,100
weren’t even aware that it was going to

595
00:28:45,639 –> 00:28:50,769
be the record you know the album cover

596
00:28:48,100 –> 00:28:52,419
until it was decided that was the Elden

597
00:28:50,769 –> 00:28:56,529
cover and it’s really just a piece of

598
00:28:52,419 –> 00:28:58,029
art that was pulled from a catalogue

599
00:28:56,529 –> 00:28:59,769
source you know something something

600
00:28:58,029 –> 00:29:02,320
today’s it would be like shutterstock

601
00:28:59,769 –> 00:29:04,629
there or something all right

602
00:29:02,320 –> 00:29:09,479
but it was it was all in like catalogue

603
00:29:04,629 –> 00:29:13,899
forms back then you know record people

604
00:29:09,479 –> 00:29:15,970
would have their books of art to license

605
00:29:13,899 –> 00:29:17,799
and whatnot and it it’s just an image

606
00:29:15,970 –> 00:29:21,279
from there that they that they decided

607
00:29:17,799 –> 00:29:24,309
was fitting and I remember like all the

608
00:29:21,279 –> 00:29:28,419
all the people in the band was like what

609
00:29:24,309 –> 00:29:33,190
what oh man it it’s a little bit

610
00:29:28,419 –> 00:29:35,399
cartoonish and I wasn’t really even – I

611
00:29:33,190 –> 00:29:39,009
think that was the thing and that was

612
00:29:35,399 –> 00:29:41,919
that yeah come from I did this like I’ve

613
00:29:39,009 –> 00:29:44,559
never seen it was like hey here’s you

614
00:29:41,919 –> 00:29:48,009
guys album come out right wow really

615
00:29:44,559 –> 00:29:49,779
oh yeah right okay nothing like I mean

616
00:29:48,009 –> 00:29:52,149
not that I just like it I mean the

617
00:29:49,779 –> 00:29:53,979
concept of the picture is pretty cool

618
00:29:52,149 –> 00:29:54,609
but yeah which is kind of odd how it

619
00:29:53,979 –> 00:29:58,299
came about

620
00:29:54,609 –> 00:29:59,799
yeah it’s pretty iconic though man now

621
00:29:58,299 –> 00:30:01,599
you know what I’m saying but that’s that

622
00:29:59,799 –> 00:30:03,609
is weird that cuz you I mean you guys

623
00:30:01,599 –> 00:30:04,690
had some backing or whatever right with

624
00:30:03,609 –> 00:30:07,479
the label you guys were signed to

625
00:30:04,690 –> 00:30:10,029
absolute records I don’t know what all

626
00:30:07,479 –> 00:30:11,769
that entails it definitely put out some

627
00:30:10,029 –> 00:30:13,809
decent mute you I’m saying music videos

628
00:30:11,769 –> 00:30:15,639
that at the time look like they were

629
00:30:13,809 –> 00:30:17,529
pretty high budget you know I’m saying

630
00:30:15,639 –> 00:30:19,840
look like actors and just – editing

631
00:30:17,529 –> 00:30:21,429
skills for the time you know what I’m

632
00:30:19,840 –> 00:30:23,349
saying what all did that entail with a

633
00:30:21,429 –> 00:30:25,269
record label like what perks did you get

634
00:30:23,349 –> 00:30:26,830
you talked about maybe having some

635
00:30:25,269 –> 00:30:28,840
people obviously you guys were in

636
00:30:26,830 –> 00:30:31,239
magazines you guys were getting played

637
00:30:28,840 –> 00:30:32,649
on the radio things like that that you

638
00:30:31,239 –> 00:30:34,119
kind of had to have a manager and those

639
00:30:32,649 –> 00:30:36,340
people to do that is that kind of what

640
00:30:34,119 –> 00:30:37,570
the record label um Sam brought for you

641
00:30:36,340 –> 00:30:39,490
guys cuz

642
00:30:37,570 –> 00:30:40,840
back then it held a lot of weight you

643
00:30:39,490 –> 00:30:42,640
know what I’m saying versus the

644
00:30:40,840 –> 00:30:44,530
independent route now where you know you

645
00:30:42,640 –> 00:30:47,680
can do a lot of that stuff you know

646
00:30:44,530 –> 00:30:49,960
yourself yeah was necessaries at the

647
00:30:47,680 –> 00:30:54,100
time to kind of try to really do

648
00:30:49,960 –> 00:30:56,650
something you’re saying what did they

649
00:30:54,100 –> 00:30:58,360
kind of bring to the table was it yeah

650
00:30:56,650 –> 00:31:00,340
because I mean you hear so much stuff

651
00:30:58,360 –> 00:31:02,560
with with I’m saying record deals and a

652
00:31:00,340 –> 00:31:05,740
lot of bands a lot of rappers whoever

653
00:31:02,560 –> 00:31:08,260
starting out even some people even be

654
00:31:05,740 –> 00:31:10,090
naive now they want a record deal they

655
00:31:08,260 –> 00:31:11,950
think you’ve made it if you have the

656
00:31:10,090 –> 00:31:14,200
record deal when now you’re talking

657
00:31:11,950 –> 00:31:15,520
about that as many people that’s were

658
00:31:14,200 –> 00:31:17,680
reaching right now listening to this

659
00:31:15,520 –> 00:31:20,860
podcast you could do it on your own and

660
00:31:17,680 –> 00:31:22,720
without having to be in a hole so many

661
00:31:20,860 –> 00:31:25,300
thousand dollars so so maybe I’m asking

662
00:31:22,720 –> 00:31:27,730
how much you know was the budget for

663
00:31:25,300 –> 00:31:30,280
that video what perks did you get did

664
00:31:27,730 –> 00:31:31,720
you guys have to sign a 360 deal where

665
00:31:30,280 –> 00:31:33,550
you got money and then had to pay it

666
00:31:31,720 –> 00:31:35,890
back later like what all was an album

667
00:31:33,550 –> 00:31:38,740
you know I’m saying like as far as a

668
00:31:35,890 –> 00:31:45,010
record deal for an early you know I’m

669
00:31:38,740 –> 00:31:52,500
saying 99 mm Christian artists band it

670
00:31:45,010 –> 00:31:52,500
was for us they essentially they were a

671
00:31:53,130 –> 00:32:00,460
the label put up or you know they

672
00:31:56,680 –> 00:32:05,830
they’re their obligation I guess I could

673
00:32:00,460 –> 00:32:07,930
say was to cover recording of masters

674
00:32:05,830 –> 00:32:11,890
and you know all the mixing and all that

675
00:32:07,930 –> 00:32:18,210
and then they lined up distribution

676
00:32:11,890 –> 00:32:21,580
deals they did some publicity works and

677
00:32:18,210 –> 00:32:24,370
there was no there wasn’t any sort of

678
00:32:21,580 –> 00:32:25,930
upfront money you know everybody got ten

679
00:32:24,370 –> 00:32:27,280
thousand dollars each and nothing you

680
00:32:25,930 –> 00:32:30,610
know just all the myths and stuff that

681
00:32:27,280 –> 00:32:33,670
people assume for some awesome TV there

682
00:32:30,610 –> 00:32:36,520
was the money that went up front was was

683
00:32:33,670 –> 00:32:40,360
put forward to like record and produce

684
00:32:36,520 –> 00:32:42,640
and it paid for studio time when I and

685
00:32:40,360 –> 00:32:44,620
that was all like they’re like we did

686
00:32:42,640 –> 00:32:46,930
nothing got handed to us it was all

687
00:32:44,620 –> 00:32:50,700
later show up here on this date and this

688
00:32:46,930 –> 00:32:53,820
time & xpx why

689
00:32:50,700 –> 00:32:56,910
z and you know here’s the schedule’

690
00:32:53,820 –> 00:32:58,800
you know what this is going on and we’ve

691
00:32:56,910 –> 00:33:02,610
got some there’s some interviews lined

692
00:32:58,800 –> 00:33:06,270
up and there’s the these festivals that

693
00:33:02,610 –> 00:33:08,490
they want to book you and I think they I

694
00:33:06,270 –> 00:33:11,070
don’t know what I talk to people I guess

695
00:33:08,490 –> 00:33:14,820
about how that kind of stuff works in my

696
00:33:11,070 –> 00:33:17,190
mind I think of it as like you know like

697
00:33:14,820 –> 00:33:19,620
it’s like a bank loan the labels the

698
00:33:17,190 –> 00:33:24,900
bank except for you know the interest

699
00:33:19,620 –> 00:33:26,490
with flat worse the answers yeah I mean

700
00:33:24,900 –> 00:33:28,350
there’s a whole thing now with the 360

701
00:33:26,490 –> 00:33:30,240
deal everybody gets all this money and

702
00:33:28,350 –> 00:33:33,060
they go on tours and all this stuff even

703
00:33:30,240 –> 00:33:34,350
now it’s artists but people don’t know

704
00:33:33,060 –> 00:33:36,690
that those artists have to pay that

705
00:33:34,350 –> 00:33:38,670
money back like all the comps and things

706
00:33:36,690 –> 00:33:42,210
that they get and you have to pay that

707
00:33:38,670 –> 00:33:44,370
money back or whatever you know every I

708
00:33:42,210 –> 00:33:46,020
mean I did learn a lot though I’m really

709
00:33:44,370 –> 00:33:48,150
thankful for that experience I mean

710
00:33:46,020 –> 00:33:50,700
because we thought we knew what we were

711
00:33:48,150 –> 00:33:52,620
doing and we I mean we really had no

712
00:33:50,700 –> 00:33:54,180
clue I mean I mean at least that was my

713
00:33:52,620 –> 00:33:56,280
experience once we got involved with the

714
00:33:54,180 –> 00:33:57,870
label and we kind of started doing

715
00:33:56,280 –> 00:34:00,480
everything we were doing with the label

716
00:33:57,870 –> 00:34:05,220
and then you realized how we really were

717
00:34:00,480 –> 00:34:06,720
coming into the whole thing so moving

718
00:34:05,220 –> 00:34:07,800
forward is probably good to know that

719
00:34:06,720 –> 00:34:09,750
you know guys don’t have because

720
00:34:07,800 –> 00:34:11,250
everybody’s like let me you know drop a

721
00:34:09,750 –> 00:34:13,590
couple singles and hopefully I’ll get

722
00:34:11,250 –> 00:34:15,270
picked up or whatever and even now

723
00:34:13,590 –> 00:34:16,980
getting picked up by even like somebody

724
00:34:15,270 –> 00:34:19,080
like capital or like a bigger a bigger

725
00:34:16,980 –> 00:34:21,090
company that just can’t you kind of sign

726
00:34:19,080 –> 00:34:22,350
off or like you know saying distribution

727
00:34:21,090 –> 00:34:24,600
and things like that if that’s even a

728
00:34:22,350 –> 00:34:26,670
thing anymore really you know I’m saying

729
00:34:24,600 –> 00:34:28,350
but uh you know there’s people who want

730
00:34:26,670 –> 00:34:32,240
that but even now they just look at

731
00:34:28,350 –> 00:34:35,640
artists who are already you know have a

732
00:34:32,240 –> 00:34:37,860
presence online a social status online

733
00:34:35,640 –> 00:34:40,980
YouTube following Facebook Twitter

734
00:34:37,860 –> 00:34:42,930
Instagram on us though if you’re if

735
00:34:40,980 –> 00:34:44,700
you’re attractive to them and that means

736
00:34:42,930 –> 00:34:48,210
you’re already or doing something or

737
00:34:44,700 –> 00:34:49,380
they see something of value so it’s kind

738
00:34:48,210 –> 00:34:51,780
of like we’ll just keep doing what

739
00:34:49,380 –> 00:34:54,210
you’re doing that anyway yeah that’s how

740
00:34:51,780 –> 00:34:58,410
it is nothing absolutely there’s there’s

741
00:34:54,210 –> 00:35:03,540
a lot there’s a lot of things that you

742
00:34:58,410 –> 00:35:04,090
know certain groups of yeah just it’s

743
00:35:03,540 –> 00:35:06,670
like any

744
00:35:04,090 –> 00:35:08,170
other business and and of course if a

745
00:35:06,670 –> 00:35:12,010
record lane will see somebody doing

746
00:35:08,170 –> 00:35:16,330
something already down their meter seems

747
00:35:12,010 –> 00:35:21,220
to register good you know obviously if

748
00:35:16,330 –> 00:35:22,690
your business is to make money in you

749
00:35:21,220 –> 00:35:24,820
know in the music industry and whatnot

750
00:35:22,690 –> 00:35:28,690
obviously you want to you want to go

751
00:35:24,820 –> 00:35:31,360
after people that are already doing

752
00:35:28,690 –> 00:35:33,100
stuff right and it’s the same way back

753
00:35:31,360 –> 00:35:35,380
in the day it was kind of the same way

754
00:35:33,100 –> 00:35:41,050
if you weren’t if you weren’t out there

755
00:35:35,380 –> 00:35:43,000
like working because I want a two day

756
00:35:41,050 –> 00:35:45,600
effort they had you know nobody really

757
00:35:43,000 –> 00:35:50,770
had an interest in picking you up and

758
00:35:45,600 –> 00:35:54,460
I’m the whole whole record label or this

759
00:35:50,770 –> 00:35:56,890
is the deal end of thing every I don’t

760
00:35:54,460 –> 00:35:59,050
know how what they’re like these days I

761
00:35:56,890 –> 00:36:02,710
don’t even know why they need to exist

762
00:35:59,050 –> 00:36:05,380
yeah but apparently but everything

763
00:36:02,710 –> 00:36:07,960
everyone is different it’s all ladies

764
00:36:05,380 –> 00:36:11,530
individual sure there’s probably these

765
00:36:07,960 –> 00:36:16,780
these parameters that are somewhat young

766
00:36:11,530 –> 00:36:20,460
a B and C is is always part of a deal

767
00:36:16,780 –> 00:36:24,430
but everything is so different for

768
00:36:20,460 –> 00:36:26,290
what’s your sign it’s like like it’s

769
00:36:24,430 –> 00:36:29,740
like a business deal if you approach

770
00:36:26,290 –> 00:36:35,590
like say for the record we were a record

771
00:36:29,740 –> 00:36:36,880
label and we’re looking to sign a group

772
00:36:35,590 –> 00:36:43,210
we’re going to look at what they’re

773
00:36:36,880 –> 00:36:45,520
doing look at what they’ve done and if

774
00:36:43,210 –> 00:36:50,290
that gets put on the table the upfront

775
00:36:45,520 –> 00:36:54,310
money you know then it could become a

776
00:36:50,290 –> 00:36:56,500
thing depending on what what that artist

777
00:36:54,310 –> 00:37:01,060
is doing you know but it’s not always

778
00:36:56,500 –> 00:37:03,070
like cookie cutter your said yes if you

779
00:37:01,060 –> 00:37:04,270
gets not if we get signed we’re set type

780
00:37:03,070 –> 00:37:10,870
deal that’s what a lot of people think

781
00:37:04,270 –> 00:37:13,030
so so you got seeing any money even off

782
00:37:10,870 –> 00:37:16,300
of the old records now you guys seen any

783
00:37:13,030 –> 00:37:17,170
type of residuals or royalties to this

784
00:37:16,300 –> 00:37:19,359
day no

785
00:37:17,170 –> 00:37:23,230
no YouTube money no iTunes anything

786
00:37:19,359 –> 00:37:26,740
coming in that’s not a complicated thing

787
00:37:23,230 –> 00:37:31,630
that we’re kind of still trying to work

788
00:37:26,740 –> 00:37:33,460
out I guess yeah yeah moving forward now

789
00:37:31,630 –> 00:37:35,079
everything’s changed and it’s a lot

790
00:37:33,460 –> 00:37:37,299
easier you know what I’m saying so

791
00:37:35,079 –> 00:37:38,740
moving forward um but you know I’m

792
00:37:37,299 –> 00:37:42,670
saying talking about that and talking

793
00:37:38,740 –> 00:37:45,339
about the the a music video for lo which

794
00:37:42,670 –> 00:37:47,529
was one that I ordered off of the

795
00:37:45,339 –> 00:37:48,910
website or maybe even had to write in

796
00:37:47,529 –> 00:37:51,490
and send money I don’t know but I

797
00:37:48,910 –> 00:37:54,549
actually had I still had some where the

798
00:37:51,490 –> 00:37:56,710
VHS that was sent in the mail with the

799
00:37:54,549 –> 00:37:59,589
music for a low on it man so I bought

800
00:37:56,710 –> 00:38:01,660
that back in the day man and a very cool

801
00:37:59,589 –> 00:38:04,269
video you know what I’m saying very uh

802
00:38:01,660 –> 00:38:05,980
it seemed like a high budget video even

803
00:38:04,269 –> 00:38:07,750
now like go even I’m saying going back

804
00:38:05,980 –> 00:38:10,150
and revisiting it it still seems like a

805
00:38:07,750 –> 00:38:11,980
high budget video so kudos that you guys

806
00:38:10,150 –> 00:38:14,410
got that out of the deal as well yeah I

807
00:38:11,980 –> 00:38:16,480
mean there’s a whole storyline treatment

808
00:38:14,410 –> 00:38:18,400
it shot really well over the shoulder

809
00:38:16,480 –> 00:38:21,910
with the storyline a bunch of really

810
00:38:18,400 –> 00:38:23,740
cool stuff several dishes it’s several

811
00:38:21,910 –> 00:38:26,500
shots of video guys performing and stuff

812
00:38:23,740 –> 00:38:31,809
too so it’s cool and it still kind of

813
00:38:26,500 –> 00:38:34,900
holds up yeah it is a decently decent

814
00:38:31,809 –> 00:38:38,109
done video well done for you know at the

815
00:38:34,900 –> 00:38:42,779
time it just it was way cool alright and

816
00:38:38,109 –> 00:38:48,369
and actually it’s what you’ve mentioned

817
00:38:42,779 –> 00:38:52,119
it seems like a high budget video the

818
00:38:48,369 –> 00:38:55,859
story this is a good story you know a

819
00:38:52,119 –> 00:38:59,380
lot of a lot of the music business is

820
00:38:55,859 –> 00:39:03,309
you know who you know and in the right

821
00:38:59,380 –> 00:39:06,819
time and the production company that did

822
00:39:03,309 –> 00:39:11,289
that video happen to know the guy that

823
00:39:06,819 –> 00:39:14,140
owned the record label everybody

824
00:39:11,289 –> 00:39:18,700
everybody in in the Tennessee music

825
00:39:14,140 –> 00:39:20,619
industry in the Nashville music industry

826
00:39:18,700 –> 00:39:25,269
kind of knows everybody and that’s where

827
00:39:20,619 –> 00:39:28,150
our label was out of and so this this

828
00:39:25,269 –> 00:39:29,980
production company was really I think

829
00:39:28,150 –> 00:39:30,880
recently put together but the guy that

830
00:39:29,980 –> 00:39:32,980
was

831
00:39:30,880 –> 00:39:36,039
it up she had a lot of experience in

832
00:39:32,980 –> 00:39:39,789
video production and he was he was going

833
00:39:36,039 –> 00:39:43,150
into more music video production with

834
00:39:39,789 –> 00:39:47,230
his company and he was just at the onset

835
00:39:43,150 –> 00:39:52,839
really of his company like starting to

836
00:39:47,230 –> 00:39:56,519
grow some legs and he he basically I

837
00:39:52,839 –> 00:40:00,160
think our record label covered like

838
00:39:56,519 –> 00:40:04,359
costs associated with some of the

839
00:40:00,160 –> 00:40:08,430
production and then like lunch but they

840
00:40:04,359 –> 00:40:13,960
they basically did that video as a

841
00:40:08,430 –> 00:40:17,619
almost a freebie to our label because

842
00:40:13,960 –> 00:40:21,309
they wanted to gather their own

843
00:40:17,619 –> 00:40:26,049
promotional material to say look see

844
00:40:21,309 –> 00:40:27,880
what we can do you know and and so we

845
00:40:26,049 –> 00:40:30,609
got and I remember hearing one of the

846
00:40:27,880 –> 00:40:33,759
guys on set it towards the end of the

847
00:40:30,609 –> 00:40:38,680
day talking to somebody else saying that

848
00:40:33,759 –> 00:40:42,750
was that was easily $100,000 video huh

849
00:40:38,680 –> 00:40:46,390
and I was like wow that that amazed me

850
00:40:42,750 –> 00:40:51,759
first of all because we spent like not

851
00:40:46,390 –> 00:40:54,579
even a full maybe 10 hours a 10 hour day

852
00:40:51,759 –> 00:40:58,930
and and there was some some actors that

853
00:40:54,579 –> 00:41:00,490
showed up for a casting call sort of

854
00:40:58,930 –> 00:41:04,359
thing or you know hey you want to be in

855
00:41:00,490 –> 00:41:08,410
the video I’m not even sure if they made

856
00:41:04,359 –> 00:41:10,410
any money you know just get your name on

857
00:41:08,410 –> 00:41:14,079
it a little bit get your face out there

858
00:41:10,410 –> 00:41:17,230
hey yeah there’s a lot of that there’s a

859
00:41:14,079 –> 00:41:19,180
lot of that entertainment hey I mean

860
00:41:17,230 –> 00:41:21,099
moving forward I mean you know everybody

861
00:41:19,180 –> 00:41:22,809
can I’m saying work together all you

862
00:41:21,099 –> 00:41:25,269
know if you are a videographer and

863
00:41:22,809 –> 00:41:26,859
you’re looking you know do something for

864
00:41:25,269 –> 00:41:28,990
free if you’re trying I mean there’s a

865
00:41:26,859 –> 00:41:31,029
lot of up-and-coming people in the

866
00:41:28,990 –> 00:41:33,700
market now people who are up-and-coming

867
00:41:31,029 –> 00:41:35,799
whether you’re an artist or you create

868
00:41:33,700 –> 00:41:37,809
you know I’m saying you do photo shoots

869
00:41:35,799 –> 00:41:39,549
hey let’s do a photo shoot and I’ll just

870
00:41:37,809 –> 00:41:41,650
tell everybody you did it and I’ve got

871
00:41:39,549 –> 00:41:43,240
so many followers like you know saying

872
00:41:41,650 –> 00:41:44,380
networking and stuff like that so that’s

873
00:41:43,240 –> 00:41:45,819
definitely a way for

874
00:41:44,380 –> 00:41:47,859
people to get out there today you know

875
00:41:45,819 –> 00:41:48,940
because there’s cuz it’s even with that

876
00:41:47,859 –> 00:41:50,680
budget you’re talking about a hundred

877
00:41:48,940 –> 00:41:53,349
thousand dollars and there’s this crazy

878
00:41:50,680 –> 00:41:56,200
budgets that all the major videos back

879
00:41:53,349 –> 00:41:58,809
then were that’s like you know I’m

880
00:41:56,200 –> 00:42:00,460
saying a low budget for video 100,000

881
00:41:58,809 –> 00:42:02,859
people paying two hundred thousand and

882
00:42:00,460 –> 00:42:04,119
stuff you can and then I even heard

883
00:42:02,859 –> 00:42:06,490
people saying well yeah I paid this

884
00:42:04,119 –> 00:42:10,539
other guy 20000 M paid you don’t send

885
00:42:06,490 –> 00:42:11,829
later in your in the arrow whatever now

886
00:42:10,539 –> 00:42:14,319
you can get somebody fresh out of

887
00:42:11,829 –> 00:42:16,660
college who’s just a beast with After

888
00:42:14,319 –> 00:42:18,279
Effects and get something that is ten

889
00:42:16,660 –> 00:42:20,319
times better for like seven hundred

890
00:42:18,279 –> 00:42:25,539
bucks or something you know what I’m

891
00:42:20,319 –> 00:42:28,299
saying it’s crazy yeah yeah was the kind

892
00:42:25,539 –> 00:42:31,119
of was being made in the industry too

893
00:42:28,299 –> 00:42:33,099
since the sale you know the sales were

894
00:42:31,119 –> 00:42:37,630
like at their peak or something you know

895
00:42:33,099 –> 00:42:39,430
I mean so you know I think it’s all it’s

896
00:42:37,630 –> 00:42:41,109
all big system I mean if you’re making

897
00:42:39,430 –> 00:42:43,059
that kind of money than people who are

898
00:42:41,109 –> 00:42:44,980
doing that kind of work or gonna charge

899
00:42:43,059 –> 00:42:55,569
that kind of money and you know and so

900
00:42:44,980 –> 00:42:57,460
on crazy man for when I do it but um the

901
00:42:55,569 –> 00:42:59,259
music video for low like I said there

902
00:42:57,460 –> 00:43:01,450
was uh you know there’s a there’s a lot

903
00:42:59,259 –> 00:43:03,039
of different shots that were done you

904
00:43:01,450 –> 00:43:07,059
know you guys performing in different

905
00:43:03,039 –> 00:43:08,529
places there was one shot with the band

906
00:43:07,059 –> 00:43:09,970
playing and then there was another side

907
00:43:08,529 –> 00:43:12,609
I wanted to ask you because this this

908
00:43:09,970 –> 00:43:14,920
shot always stood out to me there’s one

909
00:43:12,609 –> 00:43:18,400
shot of the band playing and the drummer

910
00:43:14,920 –> 00:43:20,650
is playing like air drums without his

911
00:43:18,400 –> 00:43:23,019
set maybe they went to a location and he

912
00:43:20,650 –> 00:43:25,119
they put that shot in there with him

913
00:43:23,019 –> 00:43:27,700
playing without the drums for some

914
00:43:25,119 –> 00:43:30,549
reason I just remember a pause that

915
00:43:27,700 –> 00:43:32,289
rewind it what’s what’s going on here

916
00:43:30,549 –> 00:43:39,240
what’s the story about the drummer

917
00:43:32,289 –> 00:43:43,740
playing the drums man was to deal with I

918
00:43:39,240 –> 00:43:48,970
don’t know either I don’t even remember

919
00:43:43,740 –> 00:43:50,740
the incident of and just do veneered I

920
00:43:48,970 –> 00:43:53,230
don’t know I don’t know man well I think

921
00:43:50,740 –> 00:43:56,200
you just always do that like on the

922
00:43:53,230 –> 00:43:58,000
sidelines and maybe they just film them

923
00:43:56,200 –> 00:44:01,180
or something and threw it in there

924
00:43:58,000 –> 00:44:03,400
yeah that’s one thing that always kind

925
00:44:01,180 –> 00:44:04,859
of person like do that we’re like

926
00:44:03,400 –> 00:44:07,390
playback yeah

927
00:44:04,859 –> 00:44:09,010
this is that kind of a thing they just

928
00:44:07,390 –> 00:44:12,270
filmed he last

929
00:44:09,010 –> 00:44:16,470
did he ask okay let’s get a shot of me

930
00:44:12,270 –> 00:44:19,869
behind the band no it’s very possible

931
00:44:16,470 –> 00:44:28,240
now that would have been Andy like for

932
00:44:19,869 –> 00:44:29,800
sure I mean I mean I mean this was

933
00:44:28,240 –> 00:44:32,230
something that was discussed right you

934
00:44:29,800 –> 00:44:33,880
guys had to have seen it and looked at

935
00:44:32,230 –> 00:44:35,470
each other you know at they at the end

936
00:44:33,880 –> 00:44:37,690
like hey we’re thankful but this is

937
00:44:35,470 –> 00:44:39,640
weird was that any of that ever this is

938
00:44:37,690 –> 00:44:50,950
I’m not the first one who said something

939
00:44:39,640 –> 00:44:54,369
about that right I don’t even you know I

940
00:44:50,950 –> 00:44:59,830
don’t even I can’t even picture I’m out

941
00:44:54,369 –> 00:45:03,190
and that’s this the second thanks yeah I

942
00:44:59,830 –> 00:45:06,099
can’t picture even where that or what it

943
00:45:03,190 –> 00:45:08,920
like when you brought it up I love it is

944
00:45:06,099 –> 00:45:11,610
body it was just such you just had to

945
00:45:08,920 –> 00:45:14,460
black it out just wouldn’t piss you off

946
00:45:11,610 –> 00:45:17,740
[Laughter]

947
00:45:14,460 –> 00:45:19,030
it’s good stuff but um yeah so I mean I

948
00:45:17,740 –> 00:45:20,410
mean all of this stuff we’re talking

949
00:45:19,030 –> 00:45:22,030
about people I’m gonna I want to you

950
00:45:20,410 –> 00:45:23,800
know at the end of the podcast I’m gonna

951
00:45:22,030 –> 00:45:26,109
plug these songs and stuff again so you

952
00:45:23,800 –> 00:45:28,089
guys can go check them out to check out

953
00:45:26,109 –> 00:45:30,910
this just the older stuff that they put

954
00:45:28,089 –> 00:45:32,890
out it’s all available on online on

955
00:45:30,910 –> 00:45:34,210
youtube you can check that out I’ll plug

956
00:45:32,890 –> 00:45:35,830
it we’re gonna get into some of the

957
00:45:34,210 –> 00:45:37,089
newer music this is the first ow we’re

958
00:45:35,830 –> 00:45:39,640
talking about an album that like you

959
00:45:37,089 –> 00:45:41,050
said was recorded 18 years ago but we’re

960
00:45:39,640 –> 00:45:42,220
going back reliving some of this stuff

961
00:45:41,050 –> 00:45:43,540
like it was yesterday right

962
00:45:42,220 –> 00:45:45,280
I feel like this is one of the

963
00:45:43,540 –> 00:45:47,290
interviews that you guys probably

964
00:45:45,280 –> 00:45:49,390
should’ve did 18 years ago even right

965
00:45:47,290 –> 00:45:51,369
but we’re you know I’m saying something

966
00:45:49,390 –> 00:45:54,070
about nostalgia there’s something about

967
00:45:51,369 –> 00:45:56,140
and I’m gonna I’m I’m gonna get to the

968
00:45:54,070 –> 00:45:58,470
the fact of you know I’m saying the next

969
00:45:56,140 –> 00:46:02,950
album changed a little bit sonically

970
00:45:58,470 –> 00:46:05,859
there was this death of new metal for a

971
00:46:02,950 –> 00:46:08,560
while but now there’s a resurgence now I

972
00:46:05,859 –> 00:46:11,760
feel like even now somebody like someone

973
00:46:08,560 –> 00:46:14,670
who’s a fan of metal in general can pick

974
00:46:11,760 –> 00:46:16,890
up that older stuff and become a fan of

975
00:46:14,670 –> 00:46:18,960
it today most of the music I listen to

976
00:46:16,890 –> 00:46:20,580
is older music anyway you know what I’m

977
00:46:18,960 –> 00:46:23,250
saying and stuff that I’m just finding

978
00:46:20,580 –> 00:46:25,530
that was put out in 1999 and I can’t

979
00:46:23,250 –> 00:46:27,990
stop listening to it like I feel like

980
00:46:25,530 –> 00:46:30,119
that album is definitely um saying one

981
00:46:27,990 –> 00:46:33,810
of those albums moving forward so but

982
00:46:30,119 –> 00:46:37,200
yeah fiction was the the next release

983
00:46:33,810 –> 00:46:41,850
right it was a sophomore release a lot

984
00:46:37,200 –> 00:46:43,530
of different sound changes on there was

985
00:46:41,850 –> 00:46:46,500
there was a different people involved on

986
00:46:43,530 –> 00:46:51,630
on the writing and recording process of

987
00:46:46,500 –> 00:46:55,710
that album the second release yeah yeah

988
00:46:51,630 –> 00:46:59,280
yeah we had we had a different drummer

989
00:46:55,710 –> 00:47:04,859
and a different one of the other guitar

990
00:46:59,280 –> 00:47:07,609
player yeah we changed out and I think I

991
00:47:04,859 –> 00:47:10,500
think maybe we did some of the writing

992
00:47:07,609 –> 00:47:11,940
yeah there was a short so you didn’t

993
00:47:10,500 –> 00:47:15,300
really play it with that album too much

994
00:47:11,940 –> 00:47:18,150
Brandon or not at all or Oh Brandon did

995
00:47:15,300 –> 00:47:20,670
all yeah I’ve done all like I’ve been a

996
00:47:18,150 –> 00:47:25,980
part of all of it yeah but the other

997
00:47:20,670 –> 00:47:28,170
guitar from the original album he was

998
00:47:25,980 –> 00:47:31,050
replaced for a time period and then that

999
00:47:28,170 –> 00:47:33,390
guy ended up leaving and we took on

1000
00:47:31,050 –> 00:47:36,869
another one and and some of the material

1001
00:47:33,390 –> 00:47:40,680
from the second record was written like

1002
00:47:36,869 –> 00:47:44,480
among halls with those two guitar

1003
00:47:40,680 –> 00:47:49,530
players and then the new drummer and he

1004
00:47:44,480 –> 00:47:55,080
he added a new dynamic to the sound of

1005
00:47:49,530 –> 00:47:57,840
things the drummer did yeah and and then

1006
00:47:55,080 –> 00:48:02,070
the guitar work I think was just maybe a

1007
00:47:57,840 –> 00:48:04,890
little more mature yeah I was gonna say

1008
00:48:02,070 –> 00:48:10,020
I think from the first general maybe

1009
00:48:04,890 –> 00:48:11,490
guitar and vocals yeah it was it was

1010
00:48:10,020 –> 00:48:13,260
yeah it was different than the first

1011
00:48:11,490 –> 00:48:15,210
time I think a lot of people at

1012
00:48:13,260 –> 00:48:18,660
definitely me was looking forward to get

1013
00:48:15,210 –> 00:48:21,359
like a part two of the self-titled and

1014
00:48:18,660 –> 00:48:23,580
so fiction was was different I got that

1015
00:48:21,359 –> 00:48:23,990
man I ordered it from the label I got it

1016
00:48:23,580 –> 00:48:28,100
up

1017
00:48:23,990 –> 00:48:30,410
got it in and I feel like you guys may

1018
00:48:28,100 –> 00:48:32,690
have not even been together much longer

1019
00:48:30,410 –> 00:48:34,670
after that release maybe or what I know

1020
00:48:32,690 –> 00:48:36,740
I didn’t hear much from you guys huh huh

1021
00:48:34,670 –> 00:48:38,420
how much longer did you guys stay

1022
00:48:36,740 –> 00:48:42,280
together as a band after the release of

1023
00:48:38,420 –> 00:48:45,950
that album you know I think we’re done

1024
00:48:42,280 –> 00:48:51,590
yeah the album the album was recorded

1025
00:48:45,950 –> 00:48:58,610
yeah there’s a big gap at the end of or

1026
00:48:51,590 –> 00:49:01,250
maybe throughout 2001 and it was it was

1027
00:48:58,610 –> 00:49:05,470
that one yeah and I think it was

1028
00:49:01,250 –> 00:49:10,070
supposed to be out at the end of 2001

1029
00:49:05,470 –> 00:49:10,970
and then it got switched up to make sick

1030
00:49:10,070 –> 00:49:14,240
or something

1031
00:49:10,970 –> 00:49:16,970
right I it kept getting pushed back to

1032
00:49:14,240 –> 00:49:19,670
where it was it was all of a sudden it

1033
00:49:16,970 –> 00:49:22,369
was gonna be like ‘hot 3 February ago 3

1034
00:49:19,670 –> 00:49:25,070
or something yeah and in that because I

1035
00:49:22,369 –> 00:49:26,450
was on the website but it was never but

1036
00:49:25,070 –> 00:49:29,540
it never came out

1037
00:49:26,450 –> 00:49:35,750
someone says Oh Jackie Randall says it

1038
00:49:29,540 –> 00:49:37,820
was 2002 in the chat I came home no

1039
00:49:35,750 –> 00:49:41,990
that’s what I was supposed to come well

1040
00:49:37,820 –> 00:49:44,570
I think it’s a 2006 is that okay – too

1041
00:49:41,990 –> 00:49:48,020
far ahead 2006 is what it said on line

1042
00:49:44,570 –> 00:49:51,470
one website yeah yeah when it came out

1043
00:49:48,020 –> 00:49:54,290
yeah I think only came out yeah three

1044
00:49:51,470 –> 00:49:56,030
years I mean like recording the first

1045
00:49:54,290 –> 00:49:59,300
one the second one so that’s what I

1046
00:49:56,030 –> 00:50:01,400
thought it was there was like a two year

1047
00:49:59,300 –> 00:50:03,020
between was reported it came out or

1048
00:50:01,400 –> 00:50:05,000
something like that was something crazy

1049
00:50:03,020 –> 00:50:08,210
like that I’ll remember but it never got

1050
00:50:05,000 –> 00:50:08,780
released when the band was still

1051
00:50:08,210 –> 00:50:12,440
together

1052
00:50:08,780 –> 00:50:16,390
yeah we have got we came we were out

1053
00:50:12,440 –> 00:50:20,900
actually pushing that record turin and

1054
00:50:16,390 –> 00:50:26,510
one of our stops stays at home for a few

1055
00:50:20,900 –> 00:50:28,910
months at a time we ended up like losing

1056
00:50:26,510 –> 00:50:32,600
that guitar player that we had he’s like

1057
00:50:28,910 –> 00:50:34,940
listen this isn’t gonna work I need to

1058
00:50:32,600 –> 00:50:37,610
do something different I need to make

1059
00:50:34,940 –> 00:50:43,550
more money in my life basically

1060
00:50:37,610 –> 00:50:45,620
and so that started the crumbling of

1061
00:50:43,550 –> 00:50:48,950
like he left and then there was an issue

1062
00:50:45,620 –> 00:50:51,290
that came up with the drummer and then

1063
00:50:48,950 –> 00:50:54,410
it was like it was down to Brandon

1064
00:50:51,290 –> 00:50:55,840
Justin and I again and we were talking

1065
00:50:54,410 –> 00:50:58,160
all right we got to fill these positions

1066
00:50:55,840 –> 00:51:01,850
and keep doing what we’re doing and

1067
00:50:58,160 –> 00:51:04,430
during that time period I it was just a

1068
00:51:01,850 –> 00:51:07,220
lot of personal stuff going on I had

1069
00:51:04,430 –> 00:51:10,460
ended up moving from where I live you

1070
00:51:07,220 –> 00:51:12,670
like out of state and but we are still

1071
00:51:10,460 –> 00:51:16,610
going to try to string this together and

1072
00:51:12,670 –> 00:51:19,430
then we then we catch word that the bass

1073
00:51:16,610 –> 00:51:22,070
player is leaving to go play with this

1074
00:51:19,430 –> 00:51:25,400
other outfit and it’s like oh well I

1075
00:51:22,070 –> 00:51:27,620
guess I guess we’re not really a band

1076
00:51:25,400 –> 00:51:30,220
anymore I guess we’re not doing this and

1077
00:51:27,620 –> 00:51:35,710
then it was a few years later that

1078
00:51:30,220 –> 00:51:38,930
friction came out finally released and

1079
00:51:35,710 –> 00:51:43,310
you know I won’t make any comments on

1080
00:51:38,930 –> 00:51:46,400
there on that one but we have long been

1081
00:51:43,310 –> 00:51:51,160
kind of disbanded and it did come out

1082
00:51:46,400 –> 00:51:54,200
and it was a little bit disheartening

1083
00:51:51,160 –> 00:51:55,640
the way things yeah there’s a lot I

1084
00:51:54,200 –> 00:51:56,960
don’t know what happened you know I’m

1085
00:51:55,640 –> 00:51:59,210
saying with the band everything I mean

1086
00:51:56,960 –> 00:52:00,890
it always it’s hard keeping a band

1087
00:51:59,210 –> 00:52:02,690
together it’s it’s a lot more fun than

1088
00:52:00,890 –> 00:52:04,910
doing the solo thing I do the sort of

1089
00:52:02,690 –> 00:52:06,470
thing now because of that right it’s a

1090
00:52:04,910 –> 00:52:07,940
lot more fun being on stage with a bunch

1091
00:52:06,470 –> 00:52:10,250
of brothers and being able to glory

1092
00:52:07,940 –> 00:52:12,380
together the Bible even talks about that

1093
00:52:10,250 –> 00:52:13,580
like we like when you have you have

1094
00:52:12,380 –> 00:52:17,240
victories you can celebrate together

1095
00:52:13,580 –> 00:52:19,370
versus just you by yourself right but

1096
00:52:17,240 –> 00:52:22,040
it’s hard to keep it together man and so

1097
00:52:19,370 –> 00:52:23,870
but you know I’m saying right when that

1098
00:52:22,040 –> 00:52:25,670
album came out when it was released and

1099
00:52:23,870 –> 00:52:28,490
you guys have broken up said you said a

1100
00:52:25,670 –> 00:52:32,210
few years before whatever there was kind

1101
00:52:28,490 –> 00:52:34,310
of the death of new metal right like it

1102
00:52:32,210 –> 00:52:36,770
would just it just became redundant Fred

1103
00:52:34,310 –> 00:52:38,660
Durst was everywhere like took something

1104
00:52:36,770 –> 00:52:40,820
in just there just new metal bands

1105
00:52:38,660 –> 00:52:42,470
sounding like other bands popping up and

1106
00:52:40,820 –> 00:52:46,250
something that was really cool

1107
00:52:42,470 –> 00:52:49,920
it got old really fast and you started

1108
00:52:46,250 –> 00:52:52,470
to see a lot of those bands die out

1109
00:52:49,920 –> 00:52:54,810
because it was more rap influence I

1110
00:52:52,470 –> 00:52:56,790
would say you guys I wouldn’t even say

1111
00:52:54,810 –> 00:52:59,550
that you guys were I’m saying rap metal

1112
00:52:56,790 –> 00:53:01,260
that was even that term but it began it

1113
00:52:59,550 –> 00:53:04,080
became something that was laughed at

1114
00:53:01,260 –> 00:53:06,870
right rapcore rap metal or whatever and

1115
00:53:04,080 –> 00:53:09,510
and something that faded out the

1116
00:53:06,870 –> 00:53:11,550
hardcore scene especially the Christian

1117
00:53:09,510 –> 00:53:14,190
hardcore scene blew up and took off

1118
00:53:11,550 –> 00:53:17,550
there were bands around that time that

1119
00:53:14,190 –> 00:53:19,440
we’re starting to transition and I think

1120
00:53:17,550 –> 00:53:21,600
it I think a lot of that sound was

1121
00:53:19,440 –> 00:53:26,160
birthed in the Christian underground

1122
00:53:21,600 –> 00:53:29,040
scene with bands like say oh and then

1123
00:53:26,160 –> 00:53:31,970
under oath Norma Jeane As I Lay Dying

1124
00:53:29,040 –> 00:53:35,610
all of these names are saying Emory

1125
00:53:31,970 –> 00:53:38,250
Christian bands that the hard court took

1126
00:53:35,610 –> 00:53:39,930
hardcore dancing to a new level I knew

1127
00:53:38,250 –> 00:53:42,120
people who would worship and do hardcore

1128
00:53:39,930 –> 00:53:45,240
dancin like really get in that warfare

1129
00:53:42,120 –> 00:53:47,610
and it that was birthed at youth groups

1130
00:53:45,240 –> 00:53:49,890
and stuff and then went to bars and then

1131
00:53:47,610 –> 00:53:52,650
started to kind of catch on to the

1132
00:53:49,890 –> 00:53:55,110
secular world and then so the roles were

1133
00:53:52,650 –> 00:53:57,330
kind of reversed in that aspect because

1134
00:53:55,110 –> 00:53:59,610
it wasn’t the Christian bands like hey

1135
00:53:57,330 –> 00:54:01,590
man can we can we be like a Christian

1136
00:53:59,610 –> 00:54:03,150
version of these guys it was almost like

1137
00:54:01,590 –> 00:54:04,640
the secular guys seeing what the

1138
00:54:03,150 –> 00:54:06,990
Christians were doing and then

1139
00:54:04,640 –> 00:54:10,050
responding okay we can add killer

1140
00:54:06,990 –> 00:54:13,020
breakdowns hasted a brutal breakdowns

1141
00:54:10,050 –> 00:54:15,480
man those guys – step dancing all of the

1142
00:54:13,020 –> 00:54:19,920
stuff that kind of changed Christian

1143
00:54:15,480 –> 00:54:21,930
metal and but with that it put the new

1144
00:54:19,920 –> 00:54:25,430
metal or rap metal on the back burner

1145
00:54:21,930 –> 00:54:30,030
and I’ll you seen a lot of those bands

1146
00:54:25,430 –> 00:54:31,740
struggle to survive project 86 a lot of

1147
00:54:30,030 –> 00:54:33,840
people mention the project 86 in the

1148
00:54:31,740 –> 00:54:36,120
chat I interviewed Andrew Schwab and had

1149
00:54:33,840 –> 00:54:38,730
the same conversation with him on the

1150
00:54:36,120 –> 00:54:42,300
podcast so everybody go check that out

1151
00:54:38,730 –> 00:54:44,610
but you know even project 86 like they

1152
00:54:42,300 –> 00:54:47,010
changed their style and even almost I

1153
00:54:44,610 –> 00:54:48,360
denounced we don’t do that and if we

1154
00:54:47,010 –> 00:54:50,670
don’t rap or whatever we’re not in

1155
00:54:48,360 –> 00:54:53,220
change the style changed the music packs

1156
00:54:50,670 –> 00:54:56,010
2:17 no we talked about earlier he was

1157
00:54:53,220 –> 00:55:01,050
he did a lot of rap in 311 vibe that

1158
00:54:56,010 –> 00:55:03,630
faded out he was into more like post

1159
00:55:01,050 –> 00:55:05,760
rock type stuff or whatever they quit

1160
00:55:03,630 –> 00:55:07,620
in writing and as that error it was the

1161
00:55:05,760 –> 00:55:09,600
end of an era some of these Christian

1162
00:55:07,620 –> 00:55:11,160
bands tried to tried to hold on to it

1163
00:55:09,600 –> 00:55:13,020
and they got left behind if they did but

1164
00:55:11,160 –> 00:55:15,720
if they changed their style some of them

1165
00:55:13,020 –> 00:55:19,170
were able to keep going a lot of bands

1166
00:55:15,720 –> 00:55:21,330
soft I’m saying sophomore releases kind

1167
00:55:19,170 –> 00:55:24,000
of fell through 38th parallel was a big

1168
00:55:21,330 –> 00:55:26,040
one kill her first album turned the

1169
00:55:24,000 –> 00:55:27,900
tides they came out with their second

1170
00:55:26,040 –> 00:55:30,990
album and kind of broke up the same way

1171
00:55:27,900 –> 00:55:33,300
tried to keep it going and and couldn’t

1172
00:55:30,990 –> 00:55:35,430
do it and and there’s the second album

1173
00:55:33,300 –> 00:55:37,710
came it was just totally different by

1174
00:55:35,430 –> 00:55:39,090
trying to stay relevant or whatever when

1175
00:55:37,710 –> 00:55:42,030
this other because you’re doing

1176
00:55:39,090 –> 00:55:43,470
festivals where all these hardcore fans

1177
00:55:42,030 –> 00:55:44,970
are hardcore kids and then you’re

1178
00:55:43,470 –> 00:55:48,120
getting up there doing rap metal and

1179
00:55:44,970 –> 00:55:51,450
they laugh at it it’s just kind of that

1180
00:55:48,120 –> 00:55:54,090
was the process did you guys yeah that

1181
00:55:51,450 –> 00:55:57,120
would be tough to do we never went down

1182
00:55:54,090 –> 00:55:59,370
that road so I don’t really so you guys

1183
00:55:57,120 –> 00:56:01,080
were done before it kind of switched it

1184
00:55:59,370 –> 00:56:03,900
before it kind of switched over right

1185
00:56:01,080 –> 00:56:05,910
you guys weren’t trying to cuz cuz you

1186
00:56:03,900 –> 00:56:07,650
know I’m saying even though it’s not rap

1187
00:56:05,910 –> 00:56:09,900
metal I don’t even think it’s rap chord

1188
00:56:07,650 –> 00:56:11,880
there there’s rap Cadence’s in your

1189
00:56:09,900 –> 00:56:13,380
vocal patterns right that’s definitely

1190
00:56:11,880 –> 00:56:15,900
there right but I wouldn’t I wouldn’t

1191
00:56:13,380 –> 00:56:18,090
call it rap core you guys weren’t trying

1192
00:56:15,900 –> 00:56:19,920
to hang on to any of that with with with

1193
00:56:18,090 –> 00:56:22,440
our friction it was a different album it

1194
00:56:19,920 –> 00:56:24,270
sounded it sounded totally different so

1195
00:56:22,440 –> 00:56:25,830
there was no you guys weren’t drownded

1196
00:56:24,270 –> 00:56:27,990
out it was just kind of some stuff that

1197
00:56:25,830 –> 00:56:29,730
kind of some schisms that happen within

1198
00:56:27,990 –> 00:56:33,870
the band that you guys disbanded way

1199
00:56:29,730 –> 00:56:38,430
before that whole tide came right right

1200
00:56:33,870 –> 00:56:40,350
yeah did you guys still stay in the

1201
00:56:38,430 –> 00:56:42,450
scene at all cuz I was one I was want to

1202
00:56:40,350 –> 00:56:44,130
ask you I mean have you were you doing

1203
00:56:42,450 –> 00:56:46,470
any other vocals at the time did you

1204
00:56:44,130 –> 00:56:49,200
mess with any other bands have you tried

1205
00:56:46,470 –> 00:56:50,850
any any solo stuff like that if you guys

1206
00:56:49,200 –> 00:56:54,480
play with other bands or anything since

1207
00:56:50,850 –> 00:56:57,900
then after after the band kind of fell

1208
00:56:54,480 –> 00:57:00,380
apart and then I had a lot of personal

1209
00:56:57,900 –> 00:57:04,380
stuff going on in my personal life

1210
00:57:00,380 –> 00:57:06,900
shortly thereafter I ended up moving

1211
00:57:04,380 –> 00:57:14,010
back shortly after I moved out of state

1212
00:57:06,900 –> 00:57:16,090
I moved back and I kind of

1213
00:57:14,010 –> 00:57:18,910
you know some of the other guys were

1214
00:57:16,090 –> 00:57:20,830
still doing chuffing music Brandon was

1215
00:57:18,910 –> 00:57:22,810
doing stuff in music I got more into

1216
00:57:20,830 –> 00:57:26,530
production and meaning I worked on some

1217
00:57:22,810 –> 00:57:28,840
different projects but uh I guess yeah

1218
00:57:26,530 –> 00:57:32,800
one of the production I just laid back

1219
00:57:28,840 –> 00:57:35,170
didn’t do much of didn’t do much of

1220
00:57:32,800 –> 00:57:38,200
anything I you know I would dabble

1221
00:57:35,170 –> 00:57:41,520
around with my own you know computer

1222
00:57:38,200 –> 00:57:45,460
stuff and and put together you know

1223
00:57:41,520 –> 00:57:47,380
pieces and I would do some vocal work on

1224
00:57:45,460 –> 00:57:50,290
it but I wasn’t doing anything with with

1225
00:57:47,380 –> 00:57:51,760
any other yeah nothing worth project um

1226
00:57:50,290 –> 00:57:52,750
stem putting out or trying to market or

1227
00:57:51,760 –> 00:57:57,070
nothing like that just kind of

1228
00:57:52,750 –> 00:57:59,860
experiment a little bit right yeah it

1229
00:57:57,070 –> 00:58:05,230
was until recent it was until reasons

1230
00:57:59,860 –> 00:58:07,600
that like I I had this vision to you

1231
00:58:05,230 –> 00:58:10,600
know do something more in music and I

1232
00:58:07,600 –> 00:58:12,220
actually did start I did get involved

1233
00:58:10,600 –> 00:58:15,250
just recently in the past couple of

1234
00:58:12,220 –> 00:58:18,190
years with getting back to doing vocal

1235
00:58:15,250 –> 00:58:20,410
and Brandon and I we started

1236
00:58:18,190 –> 00:58:24,820
communicating again after a long while

1237
00:58:20,410 –> 00:58:27,700
of not really talking much and it was

1238
00:58:24,820 –> 00:58:29,560
talking you know I want to do XY and Z

1239
00:58:27,700 –> 00:58:32,680
and he’s like well I want to do XY and Z

1240
00:58:29,560 –> 00:58:34,800
and in those conversations it was like

1241
00:58:32,680 –> 00:58:37,360
well hey since we’re kind of both

1242
00:58:34,800 –> 00:58:42,250
looking at doing music why don’t we why

1243
00:58:37,360 –> 00:58:47,230
don’t we put some g5d material out there

1244
00:58:42,250 –> 00:58:50,770
and and that’s what that’s right now

1245
00:58:47,230 –> 00:58:52,420
France bring us here right so we’re here

1246
00:58:50,770 –> 00:58:55,300
to talk about forget all the old stuff

1247
00:58:52,420 –> 00:58:57,190
let’s talk about the new music right its

1248
00:58:55,300 –> 00:58:58,780
iconic dude you don’t say and you gotta

1249
00:58:57,190 –> 00:58:59,860
know where you came from and I and like

1250
00:58:58,780 –> 00:59:01,330
I said I’m gonna I’m gonna let everybody

1251
00:58:59,860 –> 00:59:03,160
know to go back and listen to that stuff

1252
00:59:01,330 –> 00:59:05,020
but um you know I’m saying moving

1253
00:59:03,160 –> 00:59:06,400
forward with the new music like I mean

1254
00:59:05,020 –> 00:59:08,740
what can we expect you guys have a

1255
00:59:06,400 –> 00:59:11,140
single that’s available right now people

1256
00:59:08,740 –> 00:59:13,360
can can actually go in and listen to a

1257
00:59:11,140 –> 00:59:15,220
single but how long has it been that you

1258
00:59:13,360 –> 00:59:18,190
guys have been kind of messing with the

1259
00:59:15,220 –> 00:59:20,230
idea or even jamming together writing

1260
00:59:18,190 –> 00:59:22,690
recording how long is this been we’re

1261
00:59:20,230 –> 00:59:24,610
talking just a few months or a year or

1262
00:59:22,690 –> 00:59:26,830
so how long has it been since just even

1263
00:59:24,610 –> 00:59:28,350
this idea and then starting to kind of

1264
00:59:26,830 –> 00:59:31,720
move forward

1265
00:59:28,350 –> 00:59:33,520
so probably all mostly here now yeah I

1266
00:59:31,720 –> 00:59:37,120
think we are started discussing it yeah

1267
00:59:33,520 –> 00:59:39,280
maybe a year ago but uh I mean it was a

1268
00:59:37,120 –> 00:59:42,280
while where we ever really every got to

1269
00:59:39,280 –> 00:59:46,170
gather on it I guess you could say but

1270
00:59:42,280 –> 00:59:49,120
yeah discussing it in a minute year baby

1271
00:59:46,170 –> 00:59:53,770
yeah and and putting some material

1272
00:59:49,120 –> 00:59:54,310
together writing and and getting getting

1273
00:59:53,770 –> 00:59:59,080
stuff

1274
00:59:54,310 –> 01:00:01,510
this guy’s the the recording the

1275
00:59:59,080 –> 01:00:08,020
recording studio master right here that

1276
01:00:01,510 –> 01:00:10,090
makes master and so yeah that that

1277
01:00:08,020 –> 01:00:12,910
single has been done for a minute and we

1278
01:00:10,090 –> 01:00:16,330
just kind of we decided that we were

1279
01:00:12,910 –> 01:00:17,890
going to drop it on Christmas for a

1280
01:00:16,330 –> 01:00:20,860
little Christmas present before the end

1281
01:00:17,890 –> 01:00:25,930
of the year what’s the response been so

1282
01:00:20,860 –> 01:00:29,310
far haven’t we haven’t really heard any

1283
01:00:25,930 –> 01:00:34,000
feedback we haven’t we’re gonna put up

1284
01:00:29,310 –> 01:00:35,920
I’m gonna put up a video shortly to the

1285
01:00:34,000 –> 01:00:40,420
whole thing and put it up on YouTube and

1286
01:00:35,920 –> 01:00:41,890
and see but as far as when we when we

1287
01:00:40,420 –> 01:00:46,030
dropped it out there we had a good

1288
01:00:41,890 –> 01:00:49,990
response off of our our email list the

1289
01:00:46,030 –> 01:00:52,590
respondent it I mean for this 18 years

1290
01:00:49,990 –> 01:00:55,600
ago and I’m finally getting the email

1291
01:00:52,590 –> 01:00:57,580
what what I said they’re like I signed

1292
01:00:55,600 –> 01:01:03,370
up for this 18 years ago and I’m finally

1293
01:00:57,580 –> 01:01:06,160
getting the email from these guys but it

1294
01:01:03,370 –> 01:01:11,110
was a hotmail and stuff like Outlook

1295
01:01:06,160 –> 01:01:20,490
press aol.com email address was popping

1296
01:01:11,110 –> 01:01:20,490
up in there you know some Netscape net

1297
01:01:21,240 –> 01:01:25,450
so I guess you know I’m saying this is

1298
01:01:23,470 –> 01:01:26,770
part of getting the word out right you

1299
01:01:25,450 –> 01:01:28,390
know I’m saying doing these interviews

1300
01:01:26,770 –> 01:01:30,120
and kind of talking about the new music

1301
01:01:28,390 –> 01:01:33,310
talking about the vision moving forward

1302
01:01:30,120 –> 01:01:35,830
what can we expect from the new album

1303
01:01:33,310 –> 01:01:38,290
and and this isn’t

1304
01:01:35,830 –> 01:01:39,520
I’m talking to you about this but people

1305
01:01:38,290 –> 01:01:42,880
you know I’m saying people are gonna

1306
01:01:39,520 –> 01:01:45,070
talk amongst themselves it has a it has

1307
01:01:42,880 –> 01:01:48,700
a stone sour esque

1308
01:01:45,070 –> 01:01:51,400
to it the at least the vocal patterns

1309
01:01:48,700 –> 01:01:53,290
and I say that as a compliment as far as

1310
01:01:51,400 –> 01:01:54,940
what I hear sonically like as I’m

1311
01:01:53,290 –> 01:01:57,310
listening to it as a fan I’m like okay

1312
01:01:54,940 –> 01:01:58,780
these fell down put out a new song is it

1313
01:01:57,310 –> 01:02:02,890
gonna be

1314
01:01:58,780 –> 01:02:05,410
you don’t saying friction or is it gonna

1315
01:02:02,890 –> 01:02:07,120
be you know I’m saying the debut and

1316
01:02:05,410 –> 01:02:08,440
listen to it okay okay it’s a little bit

1317
01:02:07,120 –> 01:02:10,960
of both it’s a little bit of something

1318
01:02:08,440 –> 01:02:14,350
new something different to the table and

1319
01:02:10,960 –> 01:02:17,800
his vocal patterns it’s less of the cold

1320
01:02:14,350 –> 01:02:20,290
chamber sound and more of a postmodern

1321
01:02:17,800 –> 01:02:22,330
rock sound which is good and I like it

1322
01:02:20,290 –> 01:02:24,310
so kudos to that I hope you take that as

1323
01:02:22,330 –> 01:02:27,550
a compliment that’s just as a listener

1324
01:02:24,310 –> 01:02:29,860
and as a fan that’s what I hear that’s

1325
01:02:27,550 –> 01:02:34,240
cool yeah Corey Taylor one of the best

1326
01:02:29,860 –> 01:02:39,130
vocalists of our time man you know right

1327
01:02:34,240 –> 01:02:42,100
like yeah I’m doing what I’m doing today

1328
01:02:39,130 –> 01:02:43,690
man I think because of that album dude

1329
01:02:42,100 –> 01:02:45,370
you know I’m saying the first these five

1330
01:02:43,690 –> 01:02:47,830
down album I like to kind of pay homage

1331
01:02:45,370 –> 01:02:50,290
and you know talk about my influence and

1332
01:02:47,830 –> 01:02:52,690
as a young Christian like getting into

1333
01:02:50,290 –> 01:02:55,510
music and stuff that music had a big

1334
01:02:52,690 –> 01:02:58,060
impact on me and my friends and going to

1335
01:02:55,510 –> 01:02:59,950
the Christian like our Friday and

1336
01:02:58,060 –> 01:03:01,690
Saturday nights were hanging out at the

1337
01:02:59,950 –> 01:03:03,640
Christian music stores and they would

1338
01:03:01,690 –> 01:03:06,280
let you open a CD and listen to it in

1339
01:03:03,640 –> 01:03:08,230
the store we’ll just check this out you

1340
01:03:06,280 –> 01:03:09,820
know we let her listen as a oh no that’s

1341
01:03:08,230 –> 01:03:11,920
too hard dude check this one out it

1342
01:03:09,820 –> 01:03:13,420
sounds like corn let’s get it whatever

1343
01:03:11,920 –> 01:03:16,420
you know I’m saying so there was so many

1344
01:03:13,420 –> 01:03:19,480
nights and then so many church youth

1345
01:03:16,420 –> 01:03:21,790
group guys with piercings and stuff and

1346
01:03:19,480 –> 01:03:24,310
wearing black band t-shirts and like hey

1347
01:03:21,790 –> 01:03:26,890
and even using it as a ministry tool

1348
01:03:24,310 –> 01:03:30,220
type you know so it’s it’s the nostalgia

1349
01:03:26,890 –> 01:03:31,570
aspect of it all but I’m excited to hear

1350
01:03:30,220 –> 01:03:34,150
what you guys are bringing to the table

1351
01:03:31,570 –> 01:03:35,830
moving forward um I’m excited for it man

1352
01:03:34,150 –> 01:03:37,480
that you have a fan in me and I’m gonna

1353
01:03:35,830 –> 01:03:40,060
do what I can to kind of you know I’m

1354
01:03:37,480 –> 01:03:42,400
saying let my fan base know about it

1355
01:03:40,060 –> 01:03:44,070
because I don’t know you know if I would

1356
01:03:42,400 –> 01:03:45,850
be doing what I’m doing

1357
01:03:44,070 –> 01:03:48,190
stylistically if it wasn’t for people

1358
01:03:45,850 –> 01:03:50,200
like you guys doing it right

1359
01:03:48,190 –> 01:03:54,039
there’s a lot of stuff that I bring into

1360
01:03:50,200 –> 01:03:56,200
my hip-hop that is influenced by the

1361
01:03:54,039 –> 01:03:57,880
whispers and you know I’m saying the

1362
01:03:56,200 –> 01:03:59,140
breakdowns in the buildups and stuff

1363
01:03:57,880 –> 01:04:02,020
that was all in the music and I was

1364
01:03:59,140 –> 01:04:04,539
definitely was and am a fan of these

1365
01:04:02,020 –> 01:04:06,640
five down even before I knew that you

1366
01:04:04,539 –> 01:04:08,349
guys were even working on new stuff we

1367
01:04:06,640 –> 01:04:10,150
have a discord community where we hang

1368
01:04:08,349 –> 01:04:11,500
out and play music and I’ve been I’ve

1369
01:04:10,150 –> 01:04:13,569
been letting everybody hear y’all’s

1370
01:04:11,500 –> 01:04:15,190
music in the discord and playing him and

1371
01:04:13,569 –> 01:04:16,299
they’re like people have never heard of

1372
01:04:15,190 –> 01:04:17,650
it right you know I’m saying these new

1373
01:04:16,299 –> 01:04:20,980
Christians and stuff I was like you got

1374
01:04:17,650 –> 01:04:23,319
to revisit this man so I’m excited for

1375
01:04:20,980 –> 01:04:24,670
you guys moving forward man and but let

1376
01:04:23,319 –> 01:04:25,960
me ask you this about the writing

1377
01:04:24,670 –> 01:04:28,119
process a little bit of some of the

1378
01:04:25,960 –> 01:04:29,410
videos that I’ve seen if you guys just

1379
01:04:28,119 –> 01:04:31,780
released in a studio or that little

1380
01:04:29,410 –> 01:04:33,940
teaser who’s all working on the music so

1381
01:04:31,780 –> 01:04:35,950
is it just you two kind of putting the

1382
01:04:33,940 –> 01:04:39,460
music together yourselves doing the drum

1383
01:04:35,950 –> 01:04:40,839
tracking whether you’re using Cubase or

1384
01:04:39,460 –> 01:04:43,720
free loops or whatever tracking the

1385
01:04:40,839 –> 01:04:45,220
drums that way or are you guys layering

1386
01:04:43,720 –> 01:04:46,660
all the music yourselves kind of working

1387
01:04:45,220 –> 01:04:48,760
on it or do you have other people coming

1388
01:04:46,660 –> 01:04:51,480
in and laying bass riffs and doing the

1389
01:04:48,760 –> 01:04:54,579
drums and stuff like that kind of

1390
01:04:51,480 –> 01:04:57,720
experimenting really with different ways

1391
01:04:54,579 –> 01:05:00,039
of going about it

1392
01:04:57,720 –> 01:05:02,890
you know we talked about having other

1393
01:05:00,039 –> 01:05:06,789
people involved maybe other guys that

1394
01:05:02,890 –> 01:05:08,650
were apart apart you know in the past

1395
01:05:06,789 –> 01:05:11,349
maybe first song I thought it’d be cool

1396
01:05:08,650 –> 01:05:12,880
to maybe do a song with each of the guys

1397
01:05:11,349 –> 01:05:15,400
that were involved before or something

1398
01:05:12,880 –> 01:05:17,020
one song with you know this guy that was

1399
01:05:15,400 –> 01:05:19,329
a part you know like the song with him

1400
01:05:17,020 –> 01:05:23,069
song with him we’ve talked to we stir

1401
01:05:19,329 –> 01:05:27,339
around uh you know a few different ideas

1402
01:05:23,069 –> 01:05:29,589
but um as of now it’s not really a live

1403
01:05:27,339 –> 01:05:32,890
band type of thing you know it’s more

1404
01:05:29,589 –> 01:05:36,250
like a writing session recording thing I

1405
01:05:32,890 –> 01:05:37,779
don’t know what it’ll be like I mean I’m

1406
01:05:36,250 –> 01:05:39,309
hoping for whatever you know I think

1407
01:05:37,779 –> 01:05:41,170
it’d be cool to do that – it’d be like

1408
01:05:39,309 –> 01:05:43,420
hey let’s write the material in a room

1409
01:05:41,170 –> 01:05:45,130
with the you know with five guys and the

1410
01:05:43,420 –> 01:05:49,450
hands all the way up and you know like

1411
01:05:45,130 –> 01:05:53,380
yeah I’m a really you know a good songs

1412
01:05:49,450 –> 01:05:57,940
good song that’s my opinion but on you

1413
01:05:53,380 –> 01:06:00,880
know so far that that single that we’ve

1414
01:05:57,940 –> 01:06:01,910
released that’s that’s been put together

1415
01:06:00,880 –> 01:06:07,050
a sense

1416
01:06:01,910 –> 01:06:09,510
bye-bye him he it’s it’s an old song we

1417
01:06:07,050 –> 01:06:11,190
were opening up our set

1418
01:06:09,510 –> 01:06:14,180
when we were out pushing the second

1419
01:06:11,190 –> 01:06:19,590
record with that song Wow

1420
01:06:14,180 –> 01:06:23,400
and and it never yeah not not really

1421
01:06:19,590 –> 01:06:27,020
sure why it didn’t it maybe it was

1422
01:06:23,400 –> 01:06:29,550
budget maybe it was other reasons but

1423
01:06:27,020 –> 01:06:32,760
the label I’m not even sure if we

1424
01:06:29,550 –> 01:06:35,730
recorded it but they were aware of it if

1425
01:06:32,760 –> 01:06:39,030
that exactly didn’t make it but didn’t

1426
01:06:35,730 –> 01:06:41,130
make it to the record so we figured she

1427
01:06:39,030 –> 01:06:42,750
picked it apart you know I’m sure he may

1428
01:06:41,130 –> 01:06:46,380
be remembered some of the stuff but

1429
01:06:42,750 –> 01:06:49,380
where he pulled it off of a video that

1430
01:06:46,380 –> 01:06:52,410
somebody had put out of a live

1431
01:06:49,380 –> 01:06:55,440
performance of ours and we used that

1432
01:06:52,410 –> 01:06:57,380
audio and he picked it apart and kind of

1433
01:06:55,440 –> 01:06:59,730
put it back together again

1434
01:06:57,380 –> 01:07:02,990
yeah it’s not exactly the same but that

1435
01:06:59,730 –> 01:07:05,340
you know you know it’s like 80% there

1436
01:07:02,990 –> 01:07:08,220
what it’s a new recording though it’s an

1437
01:07:05,340 –> 01:07:10,619
old song but a new recording right right

1438
01:07:08,220 –> 01:07:15,600
yeah there’s some changes to it very

1439
01:07:10,619 –> 01:07:17,640
small yeah little changes but yeah well

1440
01:07:15,600 –> 01:07:19,619
I think in our like you know we had been

1441
01:07:17,640 –> 01:07:22,650
talking about it for like a year now I

1442
01:07:19,619 –> 01:07:24,210
think in the beginning you know we were

1443
01:07:22,650 –> 01:07:27,660
all excited about just working out some

1444
01:07:24,210 –> 01:07:29,600
uh some new music but then when you get

1445
01:07:27,660 –> 01:07:32,940
into like how you had mentioned

1446
01:07:29,600 –> 01:07:34,380
nostalgia you time you know initially it

1447
01:07:32,940 –> 01:07:36,630
was like I’ll just be exciting to do

1448
01:07:34,380 –> 01:07:39,680
some stuff again you know work together

1449
01:07:36,630 –> 01:07:41,910
again do some new stuff within um I

1450
01:07:39,680 –> 01:07:45,480
think it can lead you to kind of

1451
01:07:41,910 –> 01:07:47,970
overthink it because of the history of

1452
01:07:45,480 –> 01:07:49,920
the group and you know then you have the

1453
01:07:47,970 –> 01:07:52,080
other 12 you know like if you were to go

1454
01:07:49,920 –> 01:07:55,109
out and start a new project tomorrow

1455
01:07:52,080 –> 01:07:57,750
there’s really no expectations of

1456
01:07:55,109 –> 01:08:01,859
anything yeah so I guess I’m like

1457
01:07:57,750 –> 01:08:03,030
balancing that you know cuz but it kind

1458
01:08:01,859 –> 01:08:04,470
of goes back to our looks what are we

1459
01:08:03,030 –> 01:08:07,560
doing that we’re just make something we

1460
01:08:04,470 –> 01:08:10,470
like so I mean if we just stick to that

1461
01:08:07,560 –> 01:08:12,420
whatever that is today you know well

1462
01:08:10,470 –> 01:08:14,820
what’s it let me wist it was what’s the

1463
01:08:12,420 –> 01:08:15,299
name of the man the name of the band

1464
01:08:14,820 –> 01:08:20,759
mean

1465
01:08:15,299 –> 01:08:22,710
what does these five down mean and we

1466
01:08:20,759 –> 01:08:25,589
had that question a lot back of the day

1467
01:08:22,710 –> 01:08:28,829
and they wanted they want us like a

1468
01:08:25,589 –> 01:08:31,440
spiritual explanation five guys down

1469
01:08:28,829 –> 01:08:33,929
with you and what I mean that’s how it

1470
01:08:31,440 –> 01:08:37,469
was back then yeah when there wasn’t

1471
01:08:33,929 –> 01:08:41,179
when there wasn’t a spiritual meaning

1472
01:08:37,469 –> 01:08:44,699
behind the band some people were like

1473
01:08:41,179 –> 01:08:47,250
seriously yeah you just their whole

1474
01:08:44,699 –> 01:08:49,859
countenance shifted like what I can’t

1475
01:08:47,250 –> 01:08:51,750
believe like just couldn’t believe that

1476
01:08:49,859 –> 01:08:54,359
it there was no spiritual significance

1477
01:08:51,750 –> 01:08:56,130
because they to the name there’s really

1478
01:08:54,359 –> 01:08:58,230
not we just thought it was cool

1479
01:08:56,130 –> 01:09:01,139
just like music we were doing we thought

1480
01:08:58,230 –> 01:09:03,869
it was cool we thought the name was cool

1481
01:09:01,139 –> 01:09:07,949
and it fit in it just it was a phrase

1482
01:09:03,869 –> 01:09:12,000
that came out in conversation and we

1483
01:09:07,949 –> 01:09:14,849
would tell people how it came about you

1484
01:09:12,000 –> 01:09:18,739
know some people would be like hard

1485
01:09:14,849 –> 01:09:21,420
robes like they were expecting some huge

1486
01:09:18,739 –> 01:09:23,190
company in any stories you didn’t make

1487
01:09:21,420 –> 01:09:25,289
up any stories cuz I mean we were in the

1488
01:09:23,190 –> 01:09:27,509
Christian bands and we we had some weird

1489
01:09:25,289 –> 01:09:30,989
names and and I and I remember here in

1490
01:09:27,509 –> 01:09:33,989
our guitars make up some we actually had

1491
01:09:30,989 –> 01:09:37,769
a band called six hours frail six hours

1492
01:09:33,989 –> 01:09:39,569
frail and and I remember hearing him

1493
01:09:37,769 –> 01:09:42,599
saying that was Jesus hung on the cross

1494
01:09:39,569 –> 01:09:44,699
for six hours it was like he would tell

1495
01:09:42,599 –> 01:09:46,529
me when it was like man this is crazy so

1496
01:09:44,699 –> 01:09:48,929
did y’all have any did anybody anybody

1497
01:09:46,529 –> 01:09:51,539
try to explain to their grandmother or

1498
01:09:48,929 –> 01:09:54,329
the pastor yeah you know it means there

1499
01:09:51,539 –> 01:09:56,519
was no stories or nothing like that no

1500
01:09:54,329 –> 01:09:58,650
it was always a brief pretty much

1501
01:09:56,519 –> 01:10:01,019
abbreviated it kind of appliances that

1502
01:09:58,650 –> 01:10:03,449
there’s five guys in the band we’re all

1503
01:10:01,019 –> 01:10:06,199
down with each other down with what

1504
01:10:03,449 –> 01:10:08,369
we’re doing these five down you know

1505
01:10:06,199 –> 01:10:11,099
what’s interesting is that didn’t even

1506
01:10:08,369 –> 01:10:12,960
cut it didn’t even come from the five

1507
01:10:11,099 –> 01:10:16,110
guys in the band it was about like

1508
01:10:12,960 –> 01:10:18,030
bright and song but I think people when

1509
01:10:16,110 –> 01:10:20,519
they hear they automatically assume

1510
01:10:18,030 –> 01:10:23,280
right that I had to do was that there

1511
01:10:20,519 –> 01:10:27,449
was originally five people in the group

1512
01:10:23,280 –> 01:10:28,740
even if there’s six people in the group

1513
01:10:27,449 –> 01:10:33,840
moving forward or

1514
01:10:28,740 –> 01:10:35,850
– moving forward right right yeah but

1515
01:10:33,840 –> 01:10:37,140
people always assume that that’s what

1516
01:10:35,850 –> 01:10:41,310
they I think that’s what people

1517
01:10:37,140 –> 01:10:42,930
automatically a cool was a newbie a

1518
01:10:41,310 –> 01:10:47,580
single that’s out is called the coming

1519
01:10:42,930 –> 01:10:49,470
of the son is in and I know I know time

1520
01:10:47,580 –> 01:10:51,840
has a way of changing people your

1521
01:10:49,470 –> 01:10:53,910
beliefs in structures and we kind of

1522
01:10:51,840 –> 01:10:55,530
covered that just a little bit so it’s

1523
01:10:53,910 –> 01:10:57,900
kind of I don’t know if I would say a

1524
01:10:55,530 –> 01:11:00,720
preachy song but there’s images of G of

1525
01:10:57,900 –> 01:11:02,820
like angels in Jesus and Devils and

1526
01:11:00,720 –> 01:11:04,770
stuff like that and even the old stuff

1527
01:11:02,820 –> 01:11:07,590
was kind of really strong spiritual

1528
01:11:04,770 –> 01:11:09,360
in-your-face themes some people have

1529
01:11:07,590 –> 01:11:12,150
kind of backed away from that of being

1530
01:11:09,360 –> 01:11:13,980
less preachy and more allegory more let

1531
01:11:12,150 –> 01:11:16,530
me just show you how I live let me just

1532
01:11:13,980 –> 01:11:19,560
tell you about my trials as a Christian

1533
01:11:16,530 –> 01:11:21,840
type deal is it so you guys moving

1534
01:11:19,560 –> 01:11:24,090
forward is it gonna remain a Christian

1535
01:11:21,840 –> 01:11:26,190
Accord on quote Christian ban or

1536
01:11:24,090 –> 01:11:28,440
Christians in a band with which are you

1537
01:11:26,190 –> 01:11:33,960
I need to know right now those type of

1538
01:11:28,440 –> 01:11:36,990
you know questions we’ve always kind of

1539
01:11:33,960 –> 01:11:39,300
sort of been the the Christians in a

1540
01:11:36,990 –> 01:11:41,240
band sort of mentality that’s kind of

1541
01:11:39,300 –> 01:11:44,580
been our approach since the beginning

1542
01:11:41,240 –> 01:11:47,580
and there’s have you ever been asked

1543
01:11:44,580 –> 01:11:49,530
that other than are you Christian ya

1544
01:11:47,580 –> 01:11:51,330
know Christians in a band like that was

1545
01:11:49,530 –> 01:11:54,960
a thing yeah yeah Wow

1546
01:11:51,330 –> 01:11:57,300
yeah it’s it’s kind of quite the talking

1547
01:11:54,960 –> 01:11:59,520
point it seems when you’re in a

1548
01:11:57,300 –> 01:12:03,750
Christian hardrock band if you’re not

1549
01:11:59,520 –> 01:12:07,560
doing Church music there’s this this

1550
01:12:03,750 –> 01:12:09,600
different line of questioning I don’t

1551
01:12:07,560 –> 01:12:11,670
know how it feels about it because he’s

1552
01:12:09,600 –> 01:12:14,220
the vocalist and that you know he writes

1553
01:12:11,670 –> 01:12:18,570
the lyrics but you know I’m a musician

1554
01:12:14,220 –> 01:12:20,490
so I don’t really feel like it is I

1555
01:12:18,570 –> 01:12:23,370
don’t necessarily I don’t feel like I

1556
01:12:20,490 –> 01:12:26,010
have a ministry that’s what you want to

1557
01:12:23,370 –> 01:12:30,270
call it I don’t feel like I’m a preacher

1558
01:12:26,010 –> 01:12:32,820
that does music so I guess I don’t

1559
01:12:30,270 –> 01:12:36,420
really think about it like that but you

1560
01:12:32,820 –> 01:12:39,450
know since he he does the lyrics you

1561
01:12:36,420 –> 01:12:42,130
know may be different for you you know

1562
01:12:39,450 –> 01:12:44,470
it’s not like

1563
01:12:42,130 –> 01:12:46,540
all right I mean I don’t know if like

1564
01:12:44,470 –> 01:12:50,500
ATAR and theif you know what I mean I

1565
01:12:46,540 –> 01:12:52,410
don’t know I knew I knew gospel rappers

1566
01:12:50,500 –> 01:12:54,580
who wouldn’t who wouldn’t purchase

1567
01:12:52,410 –> 01:12:57,340
instrumentals and beats from secular

1568
01:12:54,580 –> 01:12:59,350
artist if they made a fire beater it had

1569
01:12:57,340 –> 01:13:06,730
to be a Christian who made that track to

1570
01:12:59,350 –> 01:13:08,920
rap on that’s cool too if that sound is

1571
01:13:06,730 –> 01:13:11,800
that’s what somebody you know or if

1572
01:13:08,920 –> 01:13:14,200
that’s their preference and they just

1573
01:13:11,800 –> 01:13:15,160
want to work with you know Christian

1574
01:13:14,200 –> 01:13:17,770
artists or whatever

1575
01:13:15,160 –> 01:13:19,510
thank you learning that I don’t look at

1576
01:13:17,770 –> 01:13:21,580
that recording that like your believer

1577
01:13:19,510 –> 01:13:23,680
you want to support other believers and

1578
01:13:21,580 –> 01:13:34,380
I totally get that I didn’t want to get

1579
01:13:23,680 –> 01:13:40,530
possessed by any spirits I think I think

1580
01:13:34,380 –> 01:13:43,180
so like lyrically there’s good there’s

1581
01:13:40,530 –> 01:13:46,390
some metaphorical sort of stuff but

1582
01:13:43,180 –> 01:13:50,260
there’s also some straight-up just in

1583
01:13:46,390 –> 01:13:53,580
your face with what’s being said and I

1584
01:13:50,260 –> 01:13:56,670
and I it’s gonna there’s gonna be a

1585
01:13:53,580 –> 01:14:01,600
familiarity to some of what’s being said

1586
01:13:56,670 –> 01:14:04,180
and it’s it’ll resonate with people

1587
01:14:01,600 –> 01:14:09,940
whether they identify as a Christian or

1588
01:14:04,180 –> 01:14:13,720
not sort of thing they’ll they’ll be

1589
01:14:09,940 –> 01:14:17,800
able to maybe some people will be able

1590
01:14:13,720 –> 01:14:21,700
to just respect what the piece of music

1591
01:14:17,800 –> 01:14:24,280
is for what it is now in terms of like

1592
01:14:21,700 –> 01:14:33,490
coming of the son yeah there’s a lot of

1593
01:14:24,280 –> 01:14:35,890
I really it’s I mean I guess that’s a

1594
01:14:33,490 –> 01:14:38,640
pretty bold straightforward line you

1595
01:14:35,890 –> 01:14:43,920
know you never thought that you’d miss

1596
01:14:38,640 –> 01:14:47,850
seeing the the end start and you know

1597
01:14:43,920 –> 01:14:51,190
just that whole theme of of the end time

1598
01:14:47,850 –> 01:14:52,810
thing and the coming of the son but you

1599
01:14:51,190 –> 01:14:55,719
know throughout it if you really kind of

1600
01:14:52,810 –> 01:14:58,090
pay attention it’s it’s really asking

1601
01:14:55,719 –> 01:15:00,010
what are you doing with your life you

1602
01:14:58,090 –> 01:15:05,019
know what are you doing with your life

1603
01:15:00,010 –> 01:15:07,059
today and I I know there’s people out

1604
01:15:05,019 –> 01:15:10,719
there that have thought about the

1605
01:15:07,059 –> 01:15:13,599
concept of you know the return of Christ

1606
01:15:10,719 –> 01:15:16,300
and the end times the end of the world I

1607
01:15:13,599 –> 01:15:20,019
mean that that’s that’s mainstream like

1608
01:15:16,300 –> 01:15:26,289
themes in everything right now you know

1609
01:15:20,019 –> 01:15:29,670
so it’s not like it’s gonna be I guess

1610
01:15:26,289 –> 01:15:32,880
people will be able to identify I think

1611
01:15:29,670 –> 01:15:35,949
whether they identify with being of

1612
01:15:32,880 –> 01:15:42,070
Christian beliefs or not they’ll be able

1613
01:15:35,949 –> 01:15:43,840
to identify with the lyric so is there

1614
01:15:42,070 –> 01:15:46,300
is there some more stuff so I know this

1615
01:15:43,840 –> 01:15:49,269
is an older song just just um rerecord

1616
01:15:46,300 –> 01:15:50,619
it put out or whatever do you have do

1617
01:15:49,269 –> 01:15:52,749
you have new material are you currently

1618
01:15:50,619 –> 01:15:54,309
writing for some for some new stuff that

1619
01:15:52,749 –> 01:15:58,900
you’re working on is it kind of coming

1620
01:15:54,309 –> 01:16:02,619
out the same same vocal there is there’s

1621
01:15:58,900 –> 01:16:06,489
there’s we have quite a few what tracks

1622
01:16:02,619 –> 01:16:10,960
and the works yeah and there’s there’s a

1623
01:16:06,489 –> 01:16:14,260
mix there’s a mix of there’s a little

1624
01:16:10,960 –> 01:16:17,920
bit heavier a little bit you know

1625
01:16:14,260 –> 01:16:22,420
throwback yeah to the old you know kind

1626
01:16:17,920 –> 01:16:24,369
of as far as vocally a little more

1627
01:16:22,420 –> 01:16:29,320
aggressive than this coming of the son

1628
01:16:24,369 –> 01:16:31,449
um this this was more of a back in the

1629
01:16:29,320 –> 01:16:34,719
day I kind of viewed coming as a son as

1630
01:16:31,449 –> 01:16:39,929
like almost another rendition or another

1631
01:16:34,719 –> 01:16:44,710
a similar piece to him as far as its

1632
01:16:39,929 –> 01:16:48,219
heaviness it’s not very not a really

1633
01:16:44,710 –> 01:16:50,829
heavy song I mean it is it is for what

1634
01:16:48,219 –> 01:16:55,409
it is but it’s I guess I’m it’s on the

1635
01:16:50,829 –> 01:16:55,409
softer side of what we’re known for

1636
01:16:55,650 –> 01:17:02,920
when you or argue a cold chamber fan was

1637
01:16:59,260 –> 01:17:06,479
that an influence at all yeah I really

1638
01:17:02,920 –> 01:17:08,550
liked cold chamber a lot yeah a whole

1639
01:17:06,479 –> 01:17:12,000
and

1640
01:17:08,550 –> 01:17:15,300
and apparently they had a big influence

1641
01:17:12,000 –> 01:17:16,110
on my on my vocal style everybody knows

1642
01:17:15,300 –> 01:17:20,340
it

1643
01:17:16,110 –> 01:17:23,490
I just got there I just got to see last

1644
01:17:20,340 –> 01:17:25,950
year my wife got me tickets for my birth

1645
01:17:23,490 –> 01:17:27,780
before Christmas and we went last year I

1646
01:17:25,950 –> 01:17:29,120
believe it was and went to Atlanta and

1647
01:17:27,780 –> 01:17:31,920
seeing um

1648
01:17:29,120 –> 01:17:32,430
orgy and Powerman and that was that was

1649
01:17:31,920 –> 01:17:35,190
good stuff

1650
01:17:32,430 –> 01:17:36,840
oh yeah then you got the power man

1651
01:17:35,190 –> 01:17:40,410
influence as well I definitely hear

1652
01:17:36,840 –> 01:17:42,830
spider zombie and your vocals too but we

1653
01:17:40,410 –> 01:17:47,490
also hear nate so it’s all good

1654
01:17:42,830 –> 01:17:48,930
right yeah so uh yeah excite excited

1655
01:17:47,490 –> 01:17:52,020
about that I wanted to ask you just a

1656
01:17:48,930 –> 01:17:54,650
little bit too about touring or whatever

1657
01:17:52,020 –> 01:17:57,180
like some of the experiences on the road

1658
01:17:54,650 –> 01:17:59,190
playing with other Christian bands or

1659
01:17:57,180 –> 01:18:01,110
whatever the case is in general how many

1660
01:17:59,190 –> 01:18:09,480
shows do you think you guys did together

1661
01:18:01,110 –> 01:18:12,150
a lot not a lot of proof online anymore

1662
01:18:09,480 –> 01:18:13,860
right I remember I remember even seeing

1663
01:18:12,150 –> 01:18:17,400
some stuff did you guys play at the

1664
01:18:13,860 –> 01:18:20,400
revelation room with travail one year uh

1665
01:18:17,400 –> 01:18:24,780
I feel like I remember seeing in Texas I

1666
01:18:20,400 –> 01:18:26,400
think it was it’s possible it’s it

1667
01:18:24,780 –> 01:18:29,310
sounds familiar

1668
01:18:26,400 –> 01:18:31,650
we played we were the purple baby always

1669
01:18:29,310 –> 01:18:33,750
called the purple all over the country

1670
01:18:31,650 –> 01:18:38,790
man all over the country for couple of

1671
01:18:33,750 –> 01:18:42,240
years and it was good times I couldn’t

1672
01:18:38,790 –> 01:18:46,680
tell you how many shows the word for it

1673
01:18:42,240 –> 01:18:50,040
was on hey it was all a blur it was all

1674
01:18:46,680 –> 01:18:52,350
a dream well man I’m excited for you I’m

1675
01:18:50,040 –> 01:18:55,170
saying new material somebody Adam in the

1676
01:18:52,350 –> 01:18:58,830
chat says we need to have a true secret

1677
01:18:55,170 –> 01:19:00,780
these five down song we need it happen

1678
01:18:58,830 –> 01:19:02,610
man I need to send you something to get

1679
01:19:00,780 –> 01:19:12,710
on man get on get on the track with me

1680
01:19:02,610 –> 01:19:15,270
rip it up no no nevermind

1681
01:19:12,710 –> 01:19:20,490
what they said about a hip hop song that

1682
01:19:15,270 –> 01:19:22,699
you were working on Kenny you’re

1683
01:19:20,490 –> 01:19:26,909
relevant but that

1684
01:19:22,699 –> 01:19:29,099
I guess so I guess the plans for the new

1685
01:19:26,909 –> 01:19:32,159
stuff though is we I mean we’re kind of

1686
01:19:29,099 –> 01:19:34,079
writing you know one completing one at a

1687
01:19:32,159 –> 01:19:36,750
time kind of thing you know that’s kind

1688
01:19:34,079 –> 01:19:39,449
of I guess the modern way kind of

1689
01:19:36,750 –> 01:19:42,360
releasing you know releasing them as

1690
01:19:39,449 –> 01:19:45,360
they come together I guess then you

1691
01:19:42,360 –> 01:19:47,520
don’t feel rush to you know have ten

1692
01:19:45,360 –> 01:19:52,530
songs that you know only two of them are

1693
01:19:47,520 –> 01:19:54,420
good you know just what the way the

1694
01:19:52,530 –> 01:19:57,119
industries change that’s kind of the

1695
01:19:54,420 –> 01:20:00,900
what we’re thinking I guess as of now

1696
01:19:57,119 –> 01:20:03,300
and then we were kind of shooting for we

1697
01:20:00,900 –> 01:20:05,820
like try to have something every month

1698
01:20:03,300 –> 01:20:09,079
or if you want to talk about some of the

1699
01:20:05,820 –> 01:20:12,869
concepts or ideas for that

1700
01:20:09,079 –> 01:20:15,900
did you know essentially we’re going to

1701
01:20:12,869 –> 01:20:19,889
our attempt is going to be to put out at

1702
01:20:15,900 –> 01:20:24,809
least a single each month we’ve got some

1703
01:20:19,889 –> 01:20:27,630
other ideas as far as like video stuff

1704
01:20:24,809 –> 01:20:34,710
that’s going to coincide with the

1705
01:20:27,630 –> 01:20:37,920
singles and and we want to give I guess

1706
01:20:34,710 –> 01:20:41,630
with the whole new media scene and kind

1707
01:20:37,920 –> 01:20:44,150
of some a mix of both of our interests

1708
01:20:41,630 –> 01:20:47,849
we want to give more than just music

1709
01:20:44,150 –> 01:20:52,500
we’re going to do videos with want to do

1710
01:20:47,849 –> 01:20:55,920
videos with each track and and I that’s

1711
01:20:52,500 –> 01:21:02,699
more my ballpark of things I’m into that

1712
01:20:55,920 –> 01:21:05,699
realm of of media and it’ll be cool you

1713
01:21:02,699 –> 01:21:09,119
know if if we can if we can get it all

1714
01:21:05,699 –> 01:21:15,150
correlated and do that you know once a

1715
01:21:09,119 –> 01:21:19,440
month drop a single in a video and just

1716
01:21:15,150 –> 01:21:21,840
kind of see what see what unfold I’ve

1717
01:21:19,440 –> 01:21:24,030
even talked to Brandon about maybe maybe

1718
01:21:21,840 –> 01:21:26,869
putting together a regular regularly

1719
01:21:24,030 –> 01:21:32,420
scheduled like videocast video show

1720
01:21:26,869 –> 01:21:36,110
podcast a certain certain time each

1721
01:21:32,420 –> 01:21:39,960
month or maybe a couple times a month

1722
01:21:36,110 –> 01:21:43,500
just to because this is the new media

1723
01:21:39,960 –> 01:21:46,740
landscape you you’ve got to be present

1724
01:21:43,500 –> 01:21:49,650
and interact yeah it with who’s out

1725
01:21:46,740 –> 01:21:50,640
there paying attention and that’s how

1726
01:21:49,650 –> 01:21:53,940
you get more people paying attention

1727
01:21:50,640 –> 01:21:57,630
right and there’s so much there’s so

1728
01:21:53,940 –> 01:21:59,130
much stuff I mean I guess it’s hard to

1729
01:21:57,630 –> 01:22:02,420
say what the future holds but you know

1730
01:21:59,130 –> 01:22:07,170
we’ve had people already asked us about

1731
01:22:02,420 –> 01:22:11,460
touring and shows already man like we’re

1732
01:22:07,170 –> 01:22:14,940
ready yeah and book fall Joe days and

1733
01:22:11,460 –> 01:22:18,270
now well you know it’s exciting and you

1734
01:22:14,940 –> 01:22:19,560
know we’re uh you know excited for

1735
01:22:18,270 –> 01:22:21,240
whatever may come but you know we’re

1736
01:22:19,560 –> 01:22:24,600
trying to stay like we gotta have the

1737
01:22:21,240 –> 01:22:30,930
material first a focus on that be good

1738
01:22:24,600 –> 01:22:36,480
I’m being one we thought always that we

1739
01:22:30,930 –> 01:22:40,050
might be able to if that if that idea

1740
01:22:36,480 –> 01:22:43,050
rolls into a realm of possibility you

1741
01:22:40,050 –> 01:22:46,470
know playing shows or any of that we’ve

1742
01:22:43,050 –> 01:22:48,810
talked about possible solutions to in

1743
01:22:46,470 –> 01:22:53,150
show if it stays the two of us

1744
01:22:48,810 –> 01:22:57,270
or if yeah if there’s more added on four

1745
01:22:53,150 –> 01:22:58,770
alive I’ve been to many a show without a

1746
01:22:57,270 –> 01:23:01,410
bass player and they’re you know they’re

1747
01:22:58,770 –> 01:23:03,780
going to a backing bass track that

1748
01:23:01,410 –> 01:23:06,930
sounds like a live basis there and other

1749
01:23:03,780 –> 01:23:11,250
other stuff incorporated as well so it’s

1750
01:23:06,930 –> 01:23:12,110
a thing right and it it can it can work

1751
01:23:11,250 –> 01:23:15,000
these days

1752
01:23:12,110 –> 01:23:16,740
right you know it’s crazy I mean that’s

1753
01:23:15,000 –> 01:23:19,500
a whole another subject is how like that

1754
01:23:16,740 –> 01:23:22,980
that became way more acceptable I mean I

1755
01:23:19,500 –> 01:23:25,020
I worked on a project maybe ten years

1756
01:23:22,980 –> 01:23:28,500
ago and there was a lot of banking

1757
01:23:25,020 –> 01:23:29,520
tracks and pre-recorded stuff and I felt

1758
01:23:28,500 –> 01:23:33,560
like at that time

1759
01:23:29,520 –> 01:23:36,840
it was not really acceptable it was like

1760
01:23:33,560 –> 01:23:39,180
people expected everything to be live

1761
01:23:36,840 –> 01:23:42,810
and then it’s like how things have

1762
01:23:39,180 –> 01:23:46,050
changed now you know we’re like the DJ

1763
01:23:42,810 –> 01:23:49,330
has just exploded and now it it’s became

1764
01:23:46,050 –> 01:23:51,310
the norm people don’t really uh

1765
01:23:49,330 –> 01:23:52,990
don’t think like that anymore even if

1766
01:23:51,310 –> 01:23:55,390
even if everything is unplugged and

1767
01:23:52,990 –> 01:23:58,420
they’re acting like they’re mixing style

1768
01:23:55,390 –> 01:24:01,240
here by just into it yeah yeah it’s kind

1769
01:23:58,420 –> 01:24:02,950
of weird each one of these DJ’s are some

1770
01:24:01,240 –> 01:24:04,840
of the biggest acts around right now and

1771
01:24:02,950 –> 01:24:07,030
I mean they got a landing iron there is

1772
01:24:04,840 –> 01:24:08,740
play on their hands up yeah and they’re

1773
01:24:07,030 –> 01:24:09,670
making the killing or making a lot of

1774
01:24:08,740 –> 01:24:12,460
money okay

1775
01:24:09,670 –> 01:24:14,620
actually in it’s just crazy how much

1776
01:24:12,460 –> 01:24:17,740
that’s changed like I said like I don’t

1777
01:24:14,620 –> 01:24:22,450
know 10 years ago I mean I wouldn’t want

1778
01:24:17,740 –> 01:24:24,700
to be that guy on stage right you I deal

1779
01:24:22,450 –> 01:24:27,310
with it now man I deal with it now with

1780
01:24:24,700 –> 01:24:30,340
the hip-hop so there’s a ton of stuff

1781
01:24:27,310 –> 01:24:32,500
that I do in my vocals that I produced

1782
01:24:30,340 –> 01:24:35,050
this sound that I love I mean there’s

1783
01:24:32,500 –> 01:24:37,180
whispers going in and different and this

1784
01:24:35,050 –> 01:24:38,890
is over hip hop music right whispering

1785
01:24:37,180 –> 01:24:41,770
I’ll do a regular track and then there’s

1786
01:24:38,890 –> 01:24:43,540
a whisper track it maybe even screams in

1787
01:24:41,770 –> 01:24:45,610
in a hip hop song there’s so much I do

1788
01:24:43,540 –> 01:24:47,830
there’s auto-tune with my singing that’s

1789
01:24:45,610 –> 01:24:50,650
not the best but I can get it to where I

1790
01:24:47,830 –> 01:24:54,190
like it then trying to pull it off live

1791
01:24:50,650 –> 01:24:57,340
and then doing the whole song or even a

1792
01:24:54,190 –> 01:24:59,530
whole set I can’t I’m honest I can’t

1793
01:24:57,340 –> 01:25:02,410
pull that stuff off it’s too it’s too

1794
01:24:59,530 –> 01:25:05,650
hard so there’s stuff to do I’ve it here

1795
01:25:02,410 –> 01:25:07,690
in the studio that’s amazing it sounds

1796
01:25:05,650 –> 01:25:09,340
and you can put if I run out of breath I

1797
01:25:07,690 –> 01:25:10,090
can punch in in the studio hey let me

1798
01:25:09,340 –> 01:25:12,430
try that again

1799
01:25:10,090 –> 01:25:14,950
punch in Orland with it and never and

1800
01:25:12,430 –> 01:25:17,860
I’m doing all these syllables together

1801
01:25:14,950 –> 01:25:19,390
that I cannot do live I’m gasping

1802
01:25:17,860 –> 01:25:22,300
there’s no inflection in my voice

1803
01:25:19,390 –> 01:25:23,830
because I’m trying to get everything out

1804
01:25:22,300 –> 01:25:27,730
man because I try to speak with such

1805
01:25:23,830 –> 01:25:29,950
power and it’s hard to do life so even

1806
01:25:27,730 –> 01:25:32,830
in the hip-hop there’s a stain hey those

1807
01:25:29,950 –> 01:25:34,750
guys are using backing vocals or you’re

1808
01:25:32,830 –> 01:25:36,490
not they just want to play the beat and

1809
01:25:34,750 –> 01:25:38,350
then expect you’re gonna get a really

1810
01:25:36,490 –> 01:25:40,600
bad show if I have to do that and I’ve

1811
01:25:38,350 –> 01:25:42,790
tried it I’m so experimenting of how

1812
01:25:40,600 –> 01:25:44,950
much of a backing track maybe only the

1813
01:25:42,790 –> 01:25:47,140
course maybe only the rhyming words but

1814
01:25:44,950 –> 01:25:48,520
it’s a thing – especially with

1815
01:25:47,140 –> 01:25:50,170
underground hip-hop because they want to

1816
01:25:48,520 –> 01:25:54,910
see if you really got skilled can you

1817
01:25:50,170 –> 01:25:57,550
really do it yeah okay bro all right so

1818
01:25:54,910 –> 01:26:00,280
about the like rap the whole life rap

1819
01:25:57,550 –> 01:26:02,710
battle mentality like they want a few

1820
01:26:00,280 –> 01:26:03,070
kind of bars you have on the fly and

1821
01:26:02,710 –> 01:26:06,820
like

1822
01:26:03,070 –> 01:26:08,860
yeah like just a different thing yep yep

1823
01:26:06,820 –> 01:26:10,599
and I’ve even in it kind of rubbed me

1824
01:26:08,860 –> 01:26:12,090
the wrong way I remember just seeing in

1825
01:26:10,599 –> 01:26:14,380
the local scene bone thugs-n-harmony

1826
01:26:12,090 –> 01:26:17,020
right they they came into the show

1827
01:26:14,380 –> 01:26:19,449
locally several years back and they had

1828
01:26:17,020 –> 01:26:21,940
a bus they had several local rappers

1829
01:26:19,449 –> 01:26:24,250
opening up for him and then the next day

1830
01:26:21,940 –> 01:26:26,139
there was just all this trash talk on

1831
01:26:24,250 –> 01:26:28,780
the freaking living legend

1832
01:26:26,139 –> 01:26:34,420
bone thugs-n-harmony of how they had

1833
01:26:28,780 –> 01:26:36,400
backing tracks just lip-syncing out and

1834
01:26:34,420 –> 01:26:38,050
do not lip-syncing like they’re doing it

1835
01:26:36,400 –> 01:26:41,110
with a backing track and stuff but it’s

1836
01:26:38,050 –> 01:26:43,210
just so weird how like some people don’t

1837
01:26:41,110 –> 01:26:44,889
play about that it’s really weird this

1838
01:26:43,210 –> 01:26:47,110
place that we’re in now I guess it’s

1839
01:26:44,889 –> 01:26:50,110
just whatever scene yeah it’s people

1840
01:26:47,110 –> 01:26:52,989
yeah it just depends yeah oh yeah it’s

1841
01:26:50,110 –> 01:26:54,699
like all in one extreme to the other you

1842
01:26:52,989 –> 01:26:58,119
see it yeah you see at all it’s

1843
01:26:54,699 –> 01:27:02,770
definitely become more and more accepted

1844
01:26:58,119 –> 01:27:07,020
in today’s music scene right but more

1845
01:27:02,770 –> 01:27:07,020
than it was you know say 18 years ago

1846
01:27:07,320 –> 01:27:17,860
now that people love to get offstage get

1847
01:27:11,469 –> 01:27:19,329
stuff grown a good stuff man well there

1848
01:27:17,860 –> 01:27:21,070
was anything that we didn’t talk about

1849
01:27:19,329 –> 01:27:23,619
that you guys wanted to mention at all

1850
01:27:21,070 –> 01:27:25,360
any subjects that uh you wanted to bring

1851
01:27:23,619 –> 01:27:27,040
up whether it’s dealing with the music

1852
01:27:25,360 –> 01:27:29,800
whether it’s dealing with spirituality I

1853
01:27:27,040 –> 01:27:31,599
mean have your beliefs and I know I mean

1854
01:27:29,800 –> 01:27:33,070
beliefs normally changed if they’re not

1855
01:27:31,599 –> 01:27:35,199
changing then something’s wrong right

1856
01:27:33,070 –> 01:27:37,420
you’re doing more researcher you live in

1857
01:27:35,199 –> 01:27:40,329
life you’re having experiences or

1858
01:27:37,420 –> 01:27:41,889
whatever so things change so you guys

1859
01:27:40,329 –> 01:27:43,750
like I said move forward it’s gonna be

1860
01:27:41,889 –> 01:27:46,540
still a Christian band or what now but

1861
01:27:43,750 –> 01:27:49,570
is there any books or any philosophies

1862
01:27:46,540 –> 01:27:51,880
anything that has inspired you or helped

1863
01:27:49,570 –> 01:27:53,949
you over the years or anything like that

1864
01:27:51,880 –> 01:27:55,510
or is it just like strictly the Bible

1865
01:27:53,949 –> 01:27:59,520
how do you feel like spiritually moving

1866
01:27:55,510 –> 01:27:59,520
forward both of y’all

1867
01:28:00,129 –> 01:28:08,609
I think I’m in a far far different place

1868
01:28:04,899 –> 01:28:10,840
today than I was then

1869
01:28:08,609 –> 01:28:12,489
I’m in a different place than it was

1870
01:28:10,840 –> 01:28:21,099
three years ago

1871
01:28:12,489 –> 01:28:26,459
and I think it’s a far better place you

1872
01:28:21,099 –> 01:28:32,499
know I look at some of some of my

1873
01:28:26,459 –> 01:28:36,369
beliefs that were kind of taught or they

1874
01:28:32,499 –> 01:28:47,229
did I grew up around that I just kind of

1875
01:28:36,369 –> 01:28:56,619
grabbed onto and as far as I

1876
01:28:47,229 –> 01:29:01,599
I think I think I am a lot a lot better

1877
01:28:56,619 –> 01:29:03,280
off spiritually where I am today which

1878
01:29:01,599 –> 01:29:08,409
you know that’s a good thing because

1879
01:29:03,280 –> 01:29:10,989
because there has been growth a far

1880
01:29:08,409 –> 01:29:15,579
different person all around I you know –

1881
01:29:10,989 –> 01:29:19,749
I can I can say today that I am surely a

1882
01:29:15,579 –> 01:29:23,649
different person than than before and

1883
01:29:19,749 –> 01:29:25,570
it’s only because of God and it’s his

1884
01:29:23,649 –> 01:29:28,989
enlightening and his teaching of my

1885
01:29:25,570 –> 01:29:36,159
spirit along the path that I’ve walked

1886
01:29:28,989 –> 01:29:38,050
pursuing that you know and it’s good you

1887
01:29:36,159 –> 01:29:47,669
know it’s it’s real good

1888
01:29:38,050 –> 01:29:47,669
where I’m at and you know as far as like

1889
01:29:49,050 –> 01:29:54,129
philosophical there’s so many there’s so

1890
01:29:51,639 –> 01:29:58,269
many things out there available as far

1891
01:29:54,129 –> 01:30:05,559
as philosophical lines that could be

1892
01:29:58,269 –> 01:30:09,010
followed and you know truth truth dreams

1893
01:30:05,559 –> 01:30:11,889
true and people in everyone’s heart and

1894
01:30:09,010 –> 01:30:13,780
in in their spirit they know truth when

1895
01:30:11,889 –> 01:30:16,800
they hear it and

1896
01:30:13,780 –> 01:30:22,630
and so there’s there’s truths out there

1897
01:30:16,800 –> 01:30:27,880
within a lot of philosophies that I’ve

1898
01:30:22,630 –> 01:30:34,510
looked at anyway and I’ve come I’ve come

1899
01:30:27,880 –> 01:30:39,309
to view even the Bible as it contains it

1900
01:30:34,510 –> 01:30:42,010
contains God’s Word and God’s truth but

1901
01:30:39,309 –> 01:30:49,530
I it I view it a lot different than what

1902
01:30:42,010 –> 01:30:57,159
I used to and I see I see far more I

1903
01:30:49,530 –> 01:31:01,210
guess in spiritual depth than I used to

1904
01:30:57,159 –> 01:31:07,960
and I don’t know if that’s because of my

1905
01:31:01,210 –> 01:31:11,920
my external sources outside of you know

1906
01:31:07,960 –> 01:31:20,110
the Bible in the pursuit of truth and

1907
01:31:11,920 –> 01:31:26,500
knowledge but I guess that’s that’s kind

1908
01:31:20,110 –> 01:31:28,690
of a a roundabout summary but still

1909
01:31:26,500 –> 01:31:31,480
faith in Christ for the most part or

1910
01:31:28,690 –> 01:31:38,289
just Jesus figure Oh dying for the sins

1911
01:31:31,480 –> 01:31:42,969
of humanity for sure I think that I

1912
01:31:38,289 –> 01:31:43,690
think it is that the foundation and it’s

1913
01:31:42,969 –> 01:31:45,159
going to remain the foundation

1914
01:31:43,690 –> 01:31:49,780
everything’s it’s kind of built on top

1915
01:31:45,159 –> 01:31:56,829
of that right there’s no there’s no

1916
01:31:49,780 –> 01:32:00,760
removing Christ out of being the center

1917
01:31:56,829 –> 01:32:05,559
of what a spiritual life should be you

1918
01:32:00,760 –> 01:32:09,460
know I it’s funny you know look at some

1919
01:32:05,559 –> 01:32:12,940
of the the other major religions that

1920
01:32:09,460 –> 01:32:15,489
know the character and I guess I

1921
01:32:12,940 –> 01:32:18,460
shouldn’t even say major religion you

1922
01:32:15,489 –> 01:32:22,510
know every I think I think everyone out

1923
01:32:18,460 –> 01:32:25,179
there that has any sort of sense of a

1924
01:32:22,510 –> 01:32:27,250
spiritual life they know the Jesus

1925
01:32:25,179 –> 01:32:30,030
figure or cry

1926
01:32:27,250 –> 01:32:33,700
you know you know what it’s about what

1927
01:32:30,030 –> 01:32:36,570
or they they have an idea of what it’s

1928
01:32:33,700 –> 01:32:38,610
about and what it stands for

1929
01:32:36,570 –> 01:32:43,390
[Music]

1930
01:32:38,610 –> 01:32:47,710
well yeah in my view Christ has to be at

1931
01:32:43,390 –> 01:32:48,760
the center right because he came to be

1932
01:32:47,710 –> 01:32:54,130
the light

1933
01:32:48,760 –> 01:33:00,610
he came came for to offer us a life more

1934
01:32:54,130 –> 01:33:02,770
abundant you know a full life and and

1935
01:33:00,610 –> 01:33:07,170
that’s just I don’t know we look at the

1936
01:33:02,770 –> 01:33:11,380
stuff that Jesus taught man and and I

1937
01:33:07,170 –> 01:33:13,450
can’t help but to think that if if we

1938
01:33:11,380 –> 01:33:19,330
just kind of walked in with teachings

1939
01:33:13,450 –> 01:33:20,680
and we were the people that he was like

1940
01:33:19,330 –> 01:33:24,910
and we were the kind of people that he

1941
01:33:20,680 –> 01:33:30,730
was man what a what a world this would

1942
01:33:24,910 –> 01:33:32,230
be you know yeah that’s good that’s cool

1943
01:33:30,730 –> 01:33:35,080
that’s cool you say that the other

1944
01:33:32,230 –> 01:33:36,850
religions Alysse it point back to the

1945
01:33:35,080 –> 01:33:38,470
light or something like that but I’ve

1946
01:33:36,850 –> 01:33:40,150
always thought it really cool cuz like

1947
01:33:38,470 –> 01:33:42,580
there’s all this stuff now about people

1948
01:33:40,150 –> 01:33:44,890
trying to disprove the fact that Jesus

1949
01:33:42,580 –> 01:33:46,470
never existed right and he was a fable

1950
01:33:44,890 –> 01:33:48,790
or whatever made up and there’s

1951
01:33:46,470 –> 01:33:50,680
documentaries like the zeitgeist and say

1952
01:33:48,790 –> 01:33:52,630
he’s borrowed from another religion or

1953
01:33:50,680 –> 01:33:54,580
the Sun cults or whatever and a lot of

1954
01:33:52,630 –> 01:33:56,500
that stuff can shake your your faith it

1955
01:33:54,580 –> 01:33:58,810
shook mine for some time but really took

1956
01:33:56,500 –> 01:34:00,490
me deeper and what I believe in made me

1957
01:33:58,810 –> 01:34:03,010
prove what I believe and I think it’s

1958
01:34:00,490 –> 01:34:04,450
healthy to have your faith is shaken you

1959
01:34:03,010 –> 01:34:06,490
know just so you know it’s not handed

1960
01:34:04,450 –> 01:34:10,030
down you I really had an encounter with

1961
01:34:06,490 –> 01:34:12,430
a type of being that is Jesus or

1962
01:34:10,030 –> 01:34:14,080
whatever and and it led me to God or

1963
01:34:12,430 –> 01:34:16,030
whatever when I was at my lowest that’s

1964
01:34:14,080 –> 01:34:18,130
my foundation everything else is on top

1965
01:34:16,030 –> 01:34:20,920
of that it’s obviously his name wasn’t

1966
01:34:18,130 –> 01:34:22,450
Jesus right he never responded to that

1967
01:34:20,920 –> 01:34:25,930
name you never heard that but it’s the

1968
01:34:22,450 –> 01:34:27,850
figure that responds it’s the light you

1969
01:34:25,930 –> 01:34:30,010
know what I’m saying and he responds to

1970
01:34:27,850 –> 01:34:32,770
that and we call upon that name the name

1971
01:34:30,010 –> 01:34:35,080
of Jesus or the name of of light the

1972
01:34:32,770 –> 01:34:39,100
highest vibration but to look at the

1973
01:34:35,080 –> 01:34:41,079
other religions man like they all try to

1974
01:34:39,100 –> 01:34:43,359
like lay claim to Jesus

1975
01:34:41,079 –> 01:34:45,550
like the Hindu like they all they’re

1976
01:34:43,359 –> 01:34:47,559
either he’s either in their holy book

1977
01:34:45,550 –> 01:34:49,629
they’re saying hey yeah we know who he

1978
01:34:47,559 –> 01:34:51,909
is he existed he was here he taught he

1979
01:34:49,629 –> 01:34:54,369
was a prophet he did many good works or

1980
01:34:51,909 –> 01:34:56,289
like there’s people saying that you know

1981
01:34:54,369 –> 01:34:58,510
the Hindus they have shrines built to

1982
01:34:56,289 –> 01:35:01,089
say yeah he he came here and he learned

1983
01:34:58,510 –> 01:35:03,609
under all Yogi’s for so many years and

1984
01:35:01,089 –> 01:35:05,530
there’s even shrines to mother Mary and

1985
01:35:03,609 –> 01:35:07,479
they say our bodies buried there and

1986
01:35:05,530 –> 01:35:08,439
there’s all this veneration from all

1987
01:35:07,479 –> 01:35:10,599
these other whether you want to call

1988
01:35:08,439 –> 01:35:12,489
them pagan or whatever nations they’re

1989
01:35:10,599 –> 01:35:14,349
like yeah we know who Jesus is right and

1990
01:35:12,489 –> 01:35:16,689
they all are like kind of proving the

1991
01:35:14,349 –> 01:35:18,789
existence because they’re in in in he’s

1992
01:35:16,689 –> 01:35:20,079
in their stories and stuff too and I

1993
01:35:18,789 –> 01:35:21,639
thought that was always somewhere cool

1994
01:35:20,079 –> 01:35:23,469
these outside sources kind of

1995
01:35:21,639 –> 01:35:25,089
reaffirming that there was something

1996
01:35:23,469 –> 01:35:27,129
even if they’re making it up they’re all

1997
01:35:25,089 –> 01:35:28,570
just trying to you know say that he was

1998
01:35:27,129 –> 01:35:39,939
there or whatever thought I always

1999
01:35:28,570 –> 01:35:41,199
thought that was cool right what as far

2000
01:35:39,939 –> 01:35:43,719
as brain therefore far as your

2001
01:35:41,199 –> 01:35:45,849
spirituality and Christian beliefs or

2002
01:35:43,719 –> 01:35:47,229
whatever whatever beliefs in general do

2003
01:35:45,849 –> 01:35:50,199
you still hold true is it pretty much

2004
01:35:47,229 –> 01:35:52,659
the same have you gone deeper how

2005
01:35:50,199 –> 01:35:58,539
studying or were you a spiritually with

2006
01:35:52,659 –> 01:35:58,959
that oh I don’t know why fit well I mean

2007
01:35:58,539 –> 01:36:01,539
I

2008
01:35:58,959 –> 01:36:03,189
I think life’s a journey I mean living

2009
01:36:01,539 –> 01:36:04,839
you learn I mean it sounds generic but

2010
01:36:03,189 –> 01:36:08,079
it is you know it’s like things I

2011
01:36:04,839 –> 01:36:10,449
struggled with ten years ago I think I

2012
01:36:08,079 –> 01:36:12,219
came to terms with you know there’s God

2013
01:36:10,449 –> 01:36:14,979
has been there the whole time and then

2014
01:36:12,219 –> 01:36:18,010
then you uh you come up against new

2015
01:36:14,979 –> 01:36:21,669
challenges that I didn’t know existed

2016
01:36:18,010 –> 01:36:26,050
ten years ago you know it’s a solid

2017
01:36:21,669 –> 01:36:27,609
journey really I mean I but uh yeah he’s

2018
01:36:26,050 –> 01:36:29,859
the one thing that’s always there you

2019
01:36:27,609 –> 01:36:35,139
know it’s always true the you know he’s

2020
01:36:29,859 –> 01:36:38,619
always there and uh I’m sticking with

2021
01:36:35,139 –> 01:36:39,280
that stuff that’s my story and I’m

2022
01:36:38,619 –> 01:36:40,869
sticking to it

2023
01:36:39,280 –> 01:36:43,570
good stuff man well I’m excited for

2024
01:36:40,869 –> 01:36:45,579
moving forward to hear new material from

2025
01:36:43,570 –> 01:36:47,469
you guys and maybe having you back guys

2026
01:36:45,579 –> 01:36:49,329
back on the show when there’s a fishel

2027
01:36:47,469 –> 01:36:51,999
release of an album or something like

2028
01:36:49,329 –> 01:36:53,500
that whatever I’m here to network with

2029
01:36:51,999 –> 01:36:56,260
you guys and

2030
01:36:53,500 –> 01:36:58,810
be friends so uh a bunch of people India

2031
01:36:56,260 –> 01:37:02,679
in the chat have already started pulling

2032
01:36:58,810 –> 01:37:05,860
up the music and a lot of people Bach

2033
01:37:02,679 –> 01:37:07,600
Bowman says don’t music guys I’ve just

2034
01:37:05,860 –> 01:37:09,580
checked it out I love it definitely

2035
01:37:07,600 –> 01:37:12,159
gonna be bumpin y’all there’s a bunch of

2036
01:37:09,580 –> 01:37:13,960
other comments here but uh Adam Starseed

2037
01:37:12,159 –> 01:37:18,130
bass as he but he remembers you guys

2038
01:37:13,960 –> 01:37:20,650
from back in the day he said one of his

2039
01:37:18,130 –> 01:37:24,280
favorite bands was was bride back in the

2040
01:37:20,650 –> 01:37:27,100
day but uh all good stuff man so yeah

2041
01:37:24,280 –> 01:37:29,469
right guys in and I saw getting together

2042
01:37:27,100 –> 01:37:32,469
and you know starting this going again

2043
01:37:29,469 –> 01:37:34,929
it’s been really cool because uh you

2044
01:37:32,469 –> 01:37:38,739
know we’ve ran into and reconnected with

2045
01:37:34,929 –> 01:37:40,510
so many people already that like where’s

2046
01:37:38,739 –> 01:37:42,369
all the time gone you know like you said

2047
01:37:40,510 –> 01:37:45,969
to think about how long has it been and

2048
01:37:42,369 –> 01:37:48,010
just it’s like crazy you know I mean you

2049
01:37:45,969 –> 01:37:50,590
lose touch with people and things change

2050
01:37:48,010 –> 01:37:53,050
and uh it I mean it’s been really cool

2051
01:37:50,590 –> 01:37:56,110
just in that sense just reconnected with

2052
01:37:53,050 –> 01:37:58,360
a lot of people and uh well hey we’re

2053
01:37:56,110 –> 01:38:00,790
yet now how you been you know that’s all

2054
01:37:58,360 –> 01:38:03,100
all these people I mean are you getting

2055
01:38:00,790 –> 01:38:04,960
a lot of the nostalgia I mean I live for

2056
01:38:03,100 –> 01:38:07,090
nostalgia so I’m sorry if I sound

2057
01:38:04,960 –> 01:38:09,880
redundant but I just I don’t mean listen

2058
01:38:07,090 –> 01:38:11,860
to like 90s music and I listen I listen

2059
01:38:09,880 –> 01:38:13,690
to stuff from the 90s that I didn’t

2060
01:38:11,860 –> 01:38:15,699
listen to when I was a kid like the

2061
01:38:13,690 –> 01:38:18,489
stuff I hate it now I love it like I

2062
01:38:15,699 –> 01:38:20,050
loved it or whatever country music I

2063
01:38:18,489 –> 01:38:22,230
don’t care what it was if it’s something

2064
01:38:20,050 –> 01:38:26,230
from that it brings you back right over

2065
01:38:22,230 –> 01:38:27,520
time that was a little bit more simpler

2066
01:38:26,230 –> 01:38:29,350
right and it kind of brings you back

2067
01:38:27,520 –> 01:38:31,540
where you didn’t have bills and all this

2068
01:38:29,350 –> 01:38:33,340
other stuff and whatever nostalgia of

2069
01:38:31,540 –> 01:38:35,770
that and it’s just the power of music

2070
01:38:33,340 –> 01:38:38,500
man it it almost acts as a time machine

2071
01:38:35,770 –> 01:38:40,840
to take you back and relive memories and

2072
01:38:38,500 –> 01:38:44,380
you know I’m saying the power to kind of

2073
01:38:40,840 –> 01:38:46,750
make you you don’t saying people come in

2074
01:38:44,380 –> 01:38:49,210
I mean early on for it for people who

2075
01:38:46,750 –> 01:38:50,920
became believers back then it reminds

2076
01:38:49,210 –> 01:38:53,139
them of them coming out the world in

2077
01:38:50,920 –> 01:38:55,389
those early days of falling in love with

2078
01:38:53,139 –> 01:38:57,580
Jesus and the first Christian metal

2079
01:38:55,389 –> 01:38:59,530
album they bought you know these $5 how

2080
01:38:57,580 –> 01:39:01,090
they found it where they were at when

2081
01:38:59,530 –> 01:39:03,099
they did so that’s really cool too and

2082
01:39:01,090 –> 01:39:04,810
then you guys were a part of that and if

2083
01:39:03,099 –> 01:39:07,000
that’s it if it stopped today if they

2084
01:39:04,810 –> 01:39:08,950
ended today to just bask in

2085
01:39:07,000 –> 01:39:11,410
that and to know like literally how much

2086
01:39:08,950 –> 01:39:13,060
power that had for somebody maybe even

2087
01:39:11,410 –> 01:39:14,740
to change their life right when they

2088
01:39:13,060 –> 01:39:18,010
heard your music there’s those stories

2089
01:39:14,740 –> 01:39:20,530
to your music saved me your music you

2090
01:39:18,010 –> 01:39:22,570
know led me to research and go deeper I

2091
01:39:20,530 –> 01:39:25,090
remember when I was playing a Christian

2092
01:39:22,570 –> 01:39:29,260
hardcore bands there was a kid in the

2093
01:39:25,090 –> 01:39:31,120
scene years ago and he he was listening

2094
01:39:29,260 –> 01:39:33,700
to all those bands that I named he was

2095
01:39:31,120 –> 01:39:36,370
what it was it was all the hardcore

2096
01:39:33,700 –> 01:39:39,220
bands like Norma Jeane Underoath As I

2097
01:39:36,370 –> 01:39:42,370
Lay Dying all of those guys me without

2098
01:39:39,220 –> 01:39:44,050
you you know and it just hit him and

2099
01:39:42,370 –> 01:39:45,910
he’d been listening to those bands and

2100
01:39:44,050 –> 01:39:48,190
playing music and you know you’ve seen

2101
01:39:45,910 –> 01:39:49,810
people at shows in the scene you only

2102
01:39:48,190 –> 01:39:50,830
seen them at the show but they were your

2103
01:39:49,810 –> 01:39:52,900
friends when you were there and you

2104
01:39:50,830 –> 01:39:54,970
maybe got their numbers or whatever but

2105
01:39:52,900 –> 01:39:58,810
I remember building a friendship with

2106
01:39:54,970 –> 01:40:00,580
this guy his name was Kyle and he was

2107
01:39:58,810 –> 01:40:02,590
listening to under oath Norma Jean all

2108
01:40:00,580 –> 01:40:04,900
that kind of stuff and then finally he

2109
01:40:02,590 –> 01:40:06,370
was an unbeliever he was an atheist and

2110
01:40:04,900 –> 01:40:07,900
he’s listening to nothing but he’s

2111
01:40:06,370 –> 01:40:10,120
Christian metal bands who were great

2112
01:40:07,900 –> 01:40:13,890
from the homina bands and he called me

2113
01:40:10,120 –> 01:40:16,030
one day and like in tears he said bro I

2114
01:40:13,890 –> 01:40:18,580
don’t know what’s happening it all makes

2115
01:40:16,030 –> 01:40:22,240
sense now like all of these bands that I

2116
01:40:18,580 –> 01:40:22,570
was listening to for a year months at a

2117
01:40:22,240 –> 01:40:25,240
time

2118
01:40:22,570 –> 01:40:27,520
they’ve all been singing about Jesus and

2119
01:40:25,240 –> 01:40:30,490
I never knew it and it just hit him as

2120
01:40:27,520 –> 01:40:32,710
this deep revelation of like man and

2121
01:40:30,490 –> 01:40:34,720
he’s like you know wanting to pray

2122
01:40:32,710 –> 01:40:36,280
together and wanting a Bible and stuff

2123
01:40:34,720 –> 01:40:38,740
and I led him to the Lord and it was

2124
01:40:36,280 –> 01:40:40,360
just like something that small you know

2125
01:40:38,740 –> 01:40:41,770
he didn’t know because I mean the

2126
01:40:40,360 –> 01:40:43,630
message was a little bit different for

2127
01:40:41,770 –> 01:40:45,400
Senator it wasn’t you know Jesus Jesus

2128
01:40:43,630 –> 01:40:47,770
in every every song but it finally hit

2129
01:40:45,400 –> 01:40:49,390
him he had that revelation and and

2130
01:40:47,770 –> 01:40:50,800
that’s the power of music man you know

2131
01:40:49,390 –> 01:40:52,360
what I’m saying and I get I get to

2132
01:40:50,800 –> 01:40:55,030
experience that with my music with

2133
01:40:52,360 –> 01:40:56,800
people and you guys too and like that’s

2134
01:40:55,030 –> 01:40:59,230
so powerful like words that’s the

2135
01:40:56,800 –> 01:41:01,120
biggest compliment of or like you guys

2136
01:40:59,230 –> 01:41:04,390
killed it or I love your riffs just like

2137
01:41:01,120 –> 01:41:06,400
man something something wrong out of me

2138
01:41:04,390 –> 01:41:07,960
when you share that story or whatever

2139
01:41:06,400 –> 01:41:12,400
you know what I’m saying like that’s

2140
01:41:07,960 –> 01:41:15,640
what I live that stuff oh it’s it’s cool

2141
01:41:12,400 –> 01:41:20,829
it it’s cool it you can you can play a

2142
01:41:15,640 –> 01:41:22,360
part in it’s cool to think that it will

2143
01:41:20,829 –> 01:41:27,820
something you did something you put

2144
01:41:22,360 –> 01:41:30,670
together impacted on an emotional level

2145
01:41:27,820 –> 01:41:35,110
and a spiritual level somebody that much

2146
01:41:30,670 –> 01:41:40,420
that that you know you you had a you had

2147
01:41:35,110 –> 01:41:43,540
a hand in it maybe opening some

2148
01:41:40,420 –> 01:41:45,760
spiritual eyes in somebody else’s life

2149
01:41:43,540 –> 01:41:50,349
in somebody else’s spirit that’s a

2150
01:41:45,760 –> 01:41:56,320
really cool thing that’s a really cool

2151
01:41:50,349 –> 01:41:59,170
thing to be a part of um do you guys

2152
01:41:56,320 –> 01:41:59,889
ever and I’m gonna I’m gonna pull this

2153
01:41:59,170 –> 01:42:04,900
up right quick

2154
01:41:59,889 –> 01:42:07,630
do you guys ever I don’t know if you do

2155
01:42:04,900 –> 01:42:10,030
but do y’all go to youtube videos and

2156
01:42:07,630 –> 01:42:13,329
read the comments sections for uh some

2157
01:42:10,030 –> 01:42:18,250
of y’all’s all videos and stuff yeah I

2158
01:42:13,329 –> 01:42:24,400
have I have I’m actually gonna take off

2159
01:42:18,250 –> 01:42:26,849
and I gotta head out we’ll reconnect

2160
01:42:24,400 –> 01:42:29,020
again soon you’re gonna hang out right

2161
01:42:26,849 –> 01:42:30,579
I’m gonna go ahead and into here here in

2162
01:42:29,020 –> 01:42:32,860
the next minute anyway so I appreciate

2163
01:42:30,579 –> 01:42:39,940
you hanging out with us Brandon yeah

2164
01:42:32,860 –> 01:42:44,079
yeah all right much love man our brother

2165
01:42:39,940 –> 01:42:45,849
piece yeah well I’m just uh yeah there’s

2166
01:42:44,079 –> 01:42:47,320
people there’s people of in the comments

2167
01:42:45,849 –> 01:42:49,090
section here on some of these videos

2168
01:42:47,320 –> 01:42:50,679
that they’re going back and promoting

2169
01:42:49,090 –> 01:42:52,179
and that’s what I was gonna say just as

2170
01:42:50,679 –> 01:42:54,190
far as like the nostalgia or whatever of

2171
01:42:52,179 –> 01:42:55,809
it all like back then you really like

2172
01:42:54,190 –> 01:42:58,599
you had to actually meet the person or

2173
01:42:55,809 –> 01:43:00,489
hear the story verses like now you put

2174
01:42:58,599 –> 01:43:02,590
out a new piece of material or go read

2175
01:43:00,489 –> 01:43:04,119
these comments sections and there’s

2176
01:43:02,590 –> 01:43:06,639
people from all over the world who have

2177
01:43:04,119 –> 01:43:08,230
experienced these five down and the

2178
01:43:06,639 –> 01:43:09,639
impact that I had on their lives and you

2179
01:43:08,230 –> 01:43:11,800
can go and read those comments sections

2180
01:43:09,639 –> 01:43:14,099
there so that’s really cool like atomic

2181
01:43:11,800 –> 01:43:18,130
razor

2182
01:43:14,099 –> 01:43:19,570
I I browse through some of them it’s

2183
01:43:18,130 –> 01:43:23,469
been some years since they actually

2184
01:43:19,570 –> 01:43:25,809
looked but I do recall like going

2185
01:43:23,469 –> 01:43:29,230
through and seeing seeing some

2186
01:43:25,809 –> 01:43:33,010
commenting and some of some of the

2187
01:43:29,230 –> 01:43:33,929
things people were saying and it is

2188
01:43:33,010 –> 01:43:36,820
really cool

2189
01:43:33,929 –> 01:43:38,460
and this hour a lot of this is recent

2190
01:43:36,820 –> 01:43:41,410
comments too so there’s people

2191
01:43:38,460 –> 01:43:42,760
revisiting it so I think that uh moving

2192
01:43:41,410 –> 01:43:44,500
forward putting on new material I think

2193
01:43:42,760 –> 01:43:48,370
people are waiting for some stuff man so

2194
01:43:44,500 –> 01:43:52,840
that’s gonna be good yeah that’s

2195
01:43:48,370 –> 01:43:55,090
exciting exciting for for us and it’s

2196
01:43:52,840 –> 01:44:00,100
cool that it’s exciting for some other

2197
01:43:55,090 –> 01:44:01,780
people out there Peyton well awesome man

2198
01:44:00,100 –> 01:44:03,489
well Nate I appreciate you hanging out

2199
01:44:01,780 –> 01:44:05,640
with me as well man like I said a big

2200
01:44:03,489 –> 01:44:08,380
fan of the music and just recently I

2201
01:44:05,640 –> 01:44:10,179
remember showing it to people maybe two

2202
01:44:08,380 –> 01:44:11,140
weeks ago you know in our chat showing

2203
01:44:10,179 –> 01:44:13,270
them some of that stuff so it’s really

2204
01:44:11,140 –> 01:44:15,040
cool to finally get to connect with you

2205
01:44:13,270 –> 01:44:17,110
and look forward to some of this new

2206
01:44:15,040 –> 01:44:19,719
material coming out look for a man if

2207
01:44:17,110 –> 01:44:21,460
you’re up dude like I would love to get

2208
01:44:19,719 –> 01:44:23,620
you on a song man something that would

2209
01:44:21,460 –> 01:44:26,170
fit you I’m saying more of your style so

2210
01:44:23,620 –> 01:44:27,340
I’m probably when we get off here go

2211
01:44:26,170 –> 01:44:28,510
through some of my stuff and see if I

2212
01:44:27,340 –> 01:44:30,610
got some like a syndrome and it’d be

2213
01:44:28,510 –> 01:44:36,370
cool moving forward happy party some of

2214
01:44:30,610 –> 01:44:39,130
it – sounds good brother all right

2215
01:44:36,370 –> 01:44:41,290
these five down calm they can check out

2216
01:44:39,130 –> 01:44:42,610
the new single there is it on iTunes or

2217
01:44:41,290 –> 01:44:45,940
anything yet or is it just direct

2218
01:44:42,610 –> 01:44:48,100
download now yet it’s just just on our

2219
01:44:45,940 –> 01:44:52,989
site we’re going to be doing some stuff

2220
01:44:48,100 –> 01:44:55,719
to get it out to all you know all the

2221
01:44:52,989 –> 01:44:58,420
distribution points and all the stores

2222
01:44:55,719 –> 01:45:02,110
and all the you know it’ll be it’ll be

2223
01:44:58,420 –> 01:45:05,679
there but it’s not yet in a pre-release

2224
01:45:02,110 –> 01:45:07,000
sort of stage at the moment yeah just

2225
01:45:05,679 –> 01:45:08,710
kind of testing the waters a little bit

2226
01:45:07,000 –> 01:45:11,320
but yeah everybody can go to these five

2227
01:45:08,710 –> 01:45:13,989
down calm and check out the new song

2228
01:45:11,320 –> 01:45:15,610
there’s merch there as well also those

2229
01:45:13,989 –> 01:45:16,810
songs I was letting you guys know go

2230
01:45:15,610 –> 01:45:18,489
back and listen to some of the older

2231
01:45:16,810 –> 01:45:19,840
stuff to kind of get a feel for who they

2232
01:45:18,489 –> 01:45:22,449
are what they bring to the table

2233
01:45:19,840 –> 01:45:24,850
check out the low video the song him

2234
01:45:22,449 –> 01:45:28,480
freakin classic make sure you guys go

2235
01:45:24,850 –> 01:45:30,910
check that out too revelation war media

2236
01:45:28,480 –> 01:45:32,500
all that kind of stuff so they

2237
01:45:30,910 –> 01:45:35,770
appreciate a man let’s do it again soon

2238
01:45:32,500 –> 01:45:39,670
brother I enjoyed it well good man I

2239
01:45:35,770 –> 01:45:43,510
appreciate you having us on and all this

2240
01:45:39,670 –> 01:45:43,900
it was cool it was cool to be a part of

2241
01:45:43,510 –> 01:45:45,760
it

2242
01:45:43,900 –> 01:45:47,580
good stuff man I’ll send you everything

2243
01:45:45,760 –> 01:45:49,490
when it’s done man

2244
01:45:47,580 –> 01:45:51,180
have a good night we’ll do it again soon

2245
01:45:49,490 –> 01:45:58,770
all right you too

2246
01:45:51,180 –> 01:46:02,040
take it easy god bless Hey all right

2247
01:45:58,770 –> 01:46:06,140
ladies and gentlemen Nate and Brandon

2248
01:46:02,040 –> 01:46:08,840
from the band these five down good stuff

2249
01:46:06,140 –> 01:46:13,350
make sure y’all go check out their music

2250
01:46:08,840 –> 01:46:15,600
check out the new single that just is

2251
01:46:13,350 –> 01:46:17,370
posted on their website I’ve already

2252
01:46:15,600 –> 01:46:19,260
purchased it make sure you purchased it

2253
01:46:17,370 –> 01:46:21,690
tell them true seeker sent you let them

2254
01:46:19,260 –> 01:46:26,010
know that you heard them heard them on

2255
01:46:21,690 –> 01:46:28,200
this podcast and so I hope you all took

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01:46:26,010 –> 01:46:29,970
something away from that as well so we

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01:46:28,200 –> 01:46:32,790
talked about a lot of good good points

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01:46:29,970 –> 01:46:34,530
and then kind of driving home the you

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01:46:32,790 –> 01:46:36,420
know the spirituality the spiritual

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01:46:34,530 –> 01:46:38,670
aspects of it I mean maintaining your

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01:46:36,420 –> 01:46:41,540
faith is a big thing throughout the

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01:46:38,670 –> 01:46:45,060
years I mean studying philosophy reading

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01:46:41,540 –> 01:46:47,750
other books or materials or heavens even

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01:46:45,060 –> 01:46:50,610
having struggles in your life personally

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01:46:47,750 –> 01:46:53,130
maintaining the delicacy of that

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01:46:50,610 –> 01:46:54,930
relationship with Christ men and and

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01:46:53,130 –> 01:46:57,360
never forgetting that no matter where

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01:46:54,930 –> 01:46:59,880
you go like I say that’s the foundation

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01:46:57,360 –> 01:47:01,530
everything is built upon that and

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01:46:59,880 –> 01:47:03,030
there’s really no deeper truth there

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01:47:01,530 –> 01:47:05,430
you’re seeking that’s gonna get any

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01:47:03,030 –> 01:47:07,290
deeper than then Christ crucified and

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01:47:05,430 –> 01:47:09,420
what that does the transformation of a

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01:47:07,290 –> 01:47:11,910
person is hard man that’s so beautiful

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01:47:09,420 –> 01:47:14,100
so it’s awesome to see how even over the

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01:47:11,910 –> 01:47:16,110
years tested and tried and you know

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01:47:14,100 –> 01:47:19,740
people around you follow people around

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01:47:16,110 –> 01:47:21,960
you you know doubt you and talk down and

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01:47:19,740 –> 01:47:24,180
and there’s all types of just the winds

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01:47:21,960 –> 01:47:27,270
and waves of life that that come up and

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01:47:24,180 –> 01:47:29,400
happen and so to maintain that the

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01:47:27,270 –> 01:47:31,110
delicacy of that faith man and 2-foot

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01:47:29,400 –> 01:47:33,900
you have to fight for it you have to

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01:47:31,110 –> 01:47:36,840
really believe in prove that you believe

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01:47:33,900 –> 01:47:38,430
and if you believe it it should be

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01:47:36,840 –> 01:47:39,870
something practical in your day to day

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01:47:38,430 –> 01:47:41,940
life that helps you get through hard

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01:47:39,870 –> 01:47:44,490
times that helps you when you feel alone

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01:47:41,940 –> 01:47:48,510
all of that kind of stuff so really good

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01:47:44,490 –> 01:47:50,100
stuff um these five down check them out

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01:47:48,510 –> 01:47:51,810
want to give a shout out I don’t know if

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01:47:50,100 –> 01:47:54,170
I did on the last podcast or now but I

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01:47:51,810 –> 01:47:59,330
want to give a shout out to Kristi

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01:47:54,170 –> 01:48:02,300
Johnson and her family they I got a

2295
01:47:59,330 –> 01:48:04,430
a letter full of little Christmas cards

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01:48:02,300 –> 01:48:06,860
that her and the kids made for me and my

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01:48:04,430 –> 01:48:09,950
family so thank you so much for taking

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01:48:06,860 –> 01:48:10,460
the time out and send in that enough so

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01:48:09,950 –> 01:48:14,690
beautiful

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01:48:10,460 –> 01:48:17,660
also to Bret Stacey who sends me like

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01:48:14,690 –> 01:48:21,140
fan mail and just like buys me stuff off

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01:48:17,660 –> 01:48:23,480
of like Amazon all the time but he sent

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01:48:21,140 –> 01:48:30,050
me this t-shirt it’s uh I think you know

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01:48:23,480 –> 01:48:31,790
give me one second okay he sent me this

2305
01:48:30,050 –> 01:48:33,710
t-shirt here and I’m gonna show you guys

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01:48:31,790 –> 01:48:35,750
who were on the livestream but it’s just

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01:48:33,710 –> 01:48:39,950
this random shirt they just sent in but

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01:48:35,750 –> 01:48:41,630
it’s just a picture if those of you who

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01:48:39,950 –> 01:48:43,280
are watching on the screen you can see

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01:48:41,630 –> 01:48:45,380
it those who you’re listening to this

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01:48:43,280 –> 01:48:48,700
I’m gonna describe it it’s a picture of

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01:48:45,380 –> 01:48:53,960
Jesus hanging out with Batman Superman

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01:48:48,700 –> 01:48:57,470
all the DC characters I guess it is all

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01:48:53,960 –> 01:48:59,720
the superheroes and then he says it’s

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01:48:57,470 –> 01:49:03,020
Jesus with them and he says that’s how I

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01:48:59,720 –> 01:49:04,250
saved the world so cool shirt Brad thank

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01:49:03,020 –> 01:49:07,760
you for the family our brother it’s

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01:49:04,250 –> 01:49:09,710
awesome you rock wanted to make sure I

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01:49:07,760 –> 01:49:12,260
give a shout out to you guys for doing

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01:49:09,710 –> 01:49:15,250
that if you’d like to send anything in

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01:49:12,260 –> 01:49:19,400
the mail the addresses in the

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01:49:15,250 –> 01:49:22,700
description of the video 333 P o box

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three three three yes I I was able to

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01:49:22,700 –> 01:49:29,900
purchase that P o box 333 I have an

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01:49:27,050 –> 01:49:30,410
album of the same title P o box 333

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01:49:29,900 –> 01:49:35,750
criolla

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01:49:30,410 –> 01:49:36,980
Alabama jump to these comments here

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01:49:35,750 –> 01:49:38,180
thank you guys for hanging out with me

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01:49:36,980 –> 01:49:40,220
to live it’s awesome

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01:49:38,180 –> 01:49:43,070
Tiger King shout out to you brother

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01:49:40,220 –> 01:49:45,740
Grimm what up grandma’s late better late

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01:49:43,070 –> 01:49:48,710
than never brother Kirk would ups as

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01:49:45,740 –> 01:49:51,440
much love said Hofstra says that shirt

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01:49:48,710 –> 01:49:52,550
is awesome no doubt Jesus Christ the

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01:49:51,440 –> 01:49:54,860
original Superman

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01:49:52,550 –> 01:49:57,050
speaking of rap metal there was a there

2337
01:49:54,860 –> 01:49:59,450
was a band called pillar who was about

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01:49:57,050 –> 01:50:01,280
probably about the same time as these

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01:49:59,450 –> 01:50:04,250
five down maybe a little F probably a

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01:50:01,280 –> 01:50:06,080
little after there were more I don’t

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01:50:04,250 –> 01:50:08,210
know maybe little biscuit esque I guess

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01:50:06,080 –> 01:50:10,430
maybe but they had a song called out

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01:50:08,210 –> 01:50:12,530
Jesus Christ it was called Superman and

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01:50:10,430 –> 01:50:15,950
it was about Jesus Christ the

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01:50:12,530 –> 01:50:16,370
original Superman kryptonite can’t slow

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01:50:15,950 –> 01:50:18,710
him down

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01:50:16,370 –> 01:50:21,860
nothing can at all Jesus Christ

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01:50:18,710 –> 01:50:23,780
everything a Superman but uh yeah good

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01:50:21,860 –> 01:50:27,290
stuff

2350
01:50:23,780 –> 01:50:29,420
shout out to Jackie Bach Bowman Adam

2351
01:50:27,290 –> 01:50:30,890
Starseed Bay Katelyn and Bobby

2352
01:50:29,420 –> 01:50:35,600
how y’all doing thank you for joining us

2353
01:50:30,890 –> 01:50:39,080
in the chat Kurt CT Alchemist which is

2354
01:50:35,600 –> 01:50:41,750
my brother Chad Rene Ruiz Jonathan

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01:50:39,080 –> 01:50:43,490
Jonathan Santiago I wore his shirt like

2356
01:50:41,750 –> 01:50:45,590
two podcasts ago I got one of his shirts

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01:50:43,490 –> 01:50:48,440
make sure y’all check out his podcast as

2358
01:50:45,590 –> 01:50:53,440
well Santi uh Jonathan Santiago raw john

2359
01:50:48,440 –> 01:50:55,790
santiago raw Jackie says hello there

2360
01:50:53,440 –> 01:50:59,180
yeah everybody hanging out with this

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01:50:55,790 –> 01:51:02,590
live Jeremy pic what up yep and thank

2362
01:50:59,180 –> 01:51:02,590
you guys again for all the support

2363
01:51:02,650 –> 01:51:09,110
birthing these dis new music the new

2364
01:51:06,110 –> 01:51:10,130
album colors I’m already working on some

2365
01:51:09,110 –> 01:51:13,040
other new stuff that’s going to be

2366
01:51:10,130 –> 01:51:16,280
released on patreon very soon as soon as

2367
01:51:13,040 –> 01:51:18,440
I get a feature back from Watchmen it’s

2368
01:51:16,280 –> 01:51:21,790
gonna go up we got a song called

2369
01:51:18,440 –> 01:51:24,230
voices it’s gonna be up really soon so

2370
01:51:21,790 –> 01:51:25,580
make sure that you guys look out for

2371
01:51:24,230 –> 01:51:28,490
that but all that all this stuff is

2372
01:51:25,580 –> 01:51:30,710
available on my patreon patreon comback

2373
01:51:28,490 –> 01:51:33,020
sighs true seeker you get a access to

2374
01:51:30,710 –> 01:51:34,670
our Thursday night school of the Mystics

2375
01:51:33,020 –> 01:51:37,670
you get access to my entire discography

2376
01:51:34,670 –> 01:51:41,000
for like $5 you get to download 200 plus

2377
01:51:37,670 –> 01:51:42,080
songs why not and or $10 $20 whatever

2378
01:51:41,000 –> 01:51:46,400
you want to do whatever your heart

2379
01:51:42,080 –> 01:51:48,380
desires whatever you can do so that’s

2380
01:51:46,400 –> 01:51:51,290
I’m getting a lot of great feedback on

2381
01:51:48,380 –> 01:51:54,190
on the meditations – that’s just hope

2382
01:51:51,290 –> 01:51:58,520
opened up a whole new door of creativity

2383
01:51:54,190 –> 01:52:01,610
of healing of encounter with God like

2384
01:51:58,520 –> 01:52:03,050
those meditations I’ve done two of them

2385
01:52:01,610 –> 01:52:07,010
so far and they’re both near and dear to

2386
01:52:03,050 –> 01:52:10,040
my heart of being able to tap into in

2387
01:52:07,010 –> 01:52:11,840
prayer the father’s heart and take you

2388
01:52:10,040 –> 01:52:14,420
on a journey to this place where you

2389
01:52:11,840 –> 01:52:15,920
meet God through this this journey just

2390
01:52:14,420 –> 01:52:17,420
like a visualization it’s like watching

2391
01:52:15,920 –> 01:52:19,240
the movie or something but it’s not

2392
01:52:17,420 –> 01:52:21,920
watching the movie with in your mind

2393
01:52:19,240 –> 01:52:26,230
painting these pictures of taking you on

2394
01:52:21,920 –> 01:52:31,340
the into an encounter of ancient Israel

2395
01:52:26,230 –> 01:52:34,250
into the the tabernacle of Moses and the

2396
01:52:31,340 –> 01:52:36,800
temple in literally like biblically

2397
01:52:34,250 –> 01:52:38,900
accurate description of what you saw

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01:52:36,800 –> 01:52:40,760
what the colors were the animals that

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01:52:38,900 –> 01:52:42,110
were there the people of the priests

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01:52:40,760 –> 01:52:44,900
what they were wearing and I’m kind of

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01:52:42,110 –> 01:52:46,880
describing it as these sound effects are

2402
01:52:44,900 –> 01:52:50,210
going on you hear the animals you hear

2403
01:52:46,880 –> 01:52:52,670
children playing laughing the priests

2404
01:52:50,210 –> 01:52:57,140
greet you and say hello welcome you know

2405
01:52:52,670 –> 01:53:00,620
and it’s really in-depth and I hired

2406
01:52:57,140 –> 01:53:04,220
voice actors to come in and play roles

2407
01:53:00,620 –> 01:53:06,890
in the interactive guided meditation and

2408
01:53:04,220 –> 01:53:09,740
so I encourage you to check it out it’ll

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01:53:06,890 –> 01:53:11,750
change your life for a fact that every

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01:53:09,740 –> 01:53:13,160
person who have heard it is usually come

2411
01:53:11,750 –> 01:53:15,650
back to me in tears and that’s a

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01:53:13,160 –> 01:53:17,740
blessing the highest blessing that God

2413
01:53:15,650 –> 01:53:20,120
spoke to them through that encounter so

2414
01:53:17,740 –> 01:53:22,430
it’s called the throne room meditation

2415
01:53:20,120 –> 01:53:24,950
it’s available in the description you

2416
01:53:22,430 –> 01:53:26,930
can check it out there but yeah you go

2417
01:53:24,950 –> 01:53:28,490
into a place where you encounter God

2418
01:53:26,930 –> 01:53:31,010
through the Holy of Holies and into

2419
01:53:28,490 –> 01:53:33,380
heaven into the the literal throne room

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01:53:31,010 –> 01:53:36,230
of God and you see the four living

2421
01:53:33,380 –> 01:53:38,300
creatures and you know interacting with

2422
01:53:36,230 –> 01:53:40,970
interacting with angels and then with

2423
01:53:38,300 –> 01:53:43,550
the father and who has a message for you

2424
01:53:40,970 –> 01:53:45,710
and the meditation so if that sounds

2425
01:53:43,550 –> 01:53:47,930
interesting to you check that out also

2426
01:53:45,710 –> 01:53:49,280
you know our discord is available if

2427
01:53:47,930 –> 01:53:51,340
you’re looking for community you want to

2428
01:53:49,280 –> 01:53:53,870
talk and meet up with like-minded people

2429
01:53:51,340 –> 01:53:56,180
discord is in the description as well

2430
01:53:53,870 –> 01:53:58,430
you can get that on your computer or

2431
01:53:56,180 –> 01:54:00,200
your smartphone and it’s really cool we

2432
01:53:58,430 –> 01:54:01,670
can take advantage of this technology

2433
01:54:00,200 –> 01:54:03,760
and use it for good bring people

2434
01:54:01,670 –> 01:54:07,250
together that’s what it’s about

2435
01:54:03,760 –> 01:54:08,630
yeah so that’s pretty much it make sure

2436
01:54:07,250 –> 01:54:12,170
you guys stay tuned in what I’m doing

2437
01:54:08,630 –> 01:54:15,230
doing a lot more client coach coaching

2438
01:54:12,170 –> 01:54:17,690
as well the four different things like I

2439
01:54:15,230 –> 01:54:20,530
have a lot that I offer whether it’s

2440
01:54:17,690 –> 01:54:23,690
helping people get started in their own

2441
01:54:20,530 –> 01:54:28,400
business online business start their own

2442
01:54:23,690 –> 01:54:31,880
podcast people who are having who were

2443
01:54:28,400 –> 01:54:33,350
needing like counseling and in sessions

2444
01:54:31,880 –> 01:54:34,610
like that one-on-one for healing and

2445
01:54:33,350 –> 01:54:38,270
stuff and I’ve been offering that I’ve

2446
01:54:34,610 –> 01:54:39,620
been doing a lot more lately so if you

2447
01:54:38,270 –> 01:54:40,070
know if you need help with anything like

2448
01:54:39,620 –> 01:54:42,050
that

2449
01:54:40,070 –> 01:54:44,210
you would like to consult me on a

2450
01:54:42,050 –> 01:54:46,610
one-on-one basis there that is available

2451
01:54:44,210 –> 01:54:47,690
on my website as well true seeker com

2452
01:54:46,610 –> 01:54:50,390
whether it’s you need help putting

2453
01:54:47,690 –> 01:54:52,430
together a website you guys listen to

2454
01:54:50,390 –> 01:54:54,530
the podcast you know what I do a little

2455
01:54:52,430 –> 01:54:56,240
bit of all of it so a lot of new stuff

2456
01:54:54,530 –> 01:54:57,620
coming in 2019 you’re gonna get some

2457
01:54:56,240 –> 01:55:00,370
courses ready and I’m gonna really show

2458
01:54:57,620 –> 01:55:02,660
you guys how to do what I’m doing here

2459
01:55:00,370 –> 01:55:05,030
forming your own videocast and

2460
01:55:02,660 –> 01:55:06,980
converting it into a podcast and then

2461
01:55:05,030 –> 01:55:09,800
giving it on your website and driving

2462
01:55:06,980 –> 01:55:11,060
traffic everything that comes in line

2463
01:55:09,800 –> 01:55:14,390
with that I’m working on that right now

2464
01:55:11,060 –> 01:55:16,220
the podcast master class and then after

2465
01:55:14,390 –> 01:55:17,810
that there’ll be some some other group

2466
01:55:16,220 –> 01:55:19,460
sessions that we do outside of the

2467
01:55:17,810 –> 01:55:22,460
school of the Mystics whether it be kind

2468
01:55:19,460 –> 01:55:24,560
of intentional whether it’s uh you know

2469
01:55:22,460 –> 01:55:27,380
I’m saying group meditations holotropic

2470
01:55:24,560 –> 01:55:29,710
breathing and pranayama things like that

2471
01:55:27,380 –> 01:55:33,350
which I’ve been doing on a one-on-one

2472
01:55:29,710 –> 01:55:35,120
basis with some some people and I’m

2473
01:55:33,350 –> 01:55:37,730
ready to do it with some some group

2474
01:55:35,120 –> 01:55:39,530
settings as well so if that interests

2475
01:55:37,730 –> 01:55:41,030
you make sure you subscribe to the email

2476
01:55:39,530 –> 01:55:44,420
list so you get notified when all that

2477
01:55:41,030 –> 01:55:46,100
stuff comes out so with out any other

2478
01:55:44,420 –> 01:55:48,170
delay I’m gonna say peace and Shalom

2479
01:55:46,100 –> 01:55:50,630
thanks for hanging out with me on this

2480
01:55:48,170 –> 01:55:54,640
impromptu episode of the true seeker

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01:55:50,630 –> 01:55:54,640
podcast good night and God bless

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01:55:55,320 –> 01:55:58,410
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[Music]

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well then does it for this episode folks

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you hear more episodes of the truth

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01:56:10,660 –> 01:56:15,010
seeker podcast head over to Jessica calm

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01:56:13,270 –> 01:56:17,380
and if you wanted to support the show

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and get rewards go to our patreon page

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at patreon.com forward slash truth

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