Andrew Schwab of Project 86 | Surviving Rapcore, 20th Year Anniversary & More!

Andrew Schwab of Project 86  Surviving Rapcore, 20th Year Anniversary & More!
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to another exciting episode of the true
seeker podcast got a very special guest
tonight tonight I'm gonna be speaking
with someone who I've been looking up to
for years ever since I became a
Christian since I came into the faith
back in 98 and I remember sitting with a
bunch of friends watching MTV getting
high sitting on the couch getting stoned
and just flipping through the channels
and landing on this channel with these
these guys playing heavy metal music
jumping around on stage and stuff like
that salsa music we're watching it for a
minute we're high out of our minds
smoking pot and all of a sudden this guy
runs up to the TV and points at the
camera and says hey you yeah you sitting
there with the joint in your hand I want
to tell you Jesus loves you and then he
runs off and I'm like whoa I'm sitting
there holding the joint this is back in
like 1998 and come to find out it was a
television show on the Christian station
called G Rock and one of the bands they
were playing right before that little
video came on was a song pipe dreams I
believe it was by project 86 I'm joined
with Andrew Schwab from the band project
86 what's going on brother welcome to
the show amen thanks for having me G
Rock days man yeah how silly well that
was awesome but you don't see him back
in the day for you guys I was like that
was like y'all's MTV though man you know
yeah so do your music early on it was
about not compromising your face
standing for what you believe in are the
struggles that that that we go through
as believers but in a very poetic
form put to where of a lot of like
artistic allegories and metaphors and
things like that within the museum Anne
was just in like a beautiful way I got a
couple questions I wanted to ask you
dealing with the music did you get a lot
of backlash from like the church
community like you weren't Christian
enough because it wasn't just Jesus
Jesus Jesus every every line but those
who understood what you were talking
about man like it like I'm saying really
hit home for them yeah I think you know
because of the nature of the style of
music you know it's aggressive music
that in and of itself sort of eliminated
the sort of commercial Christian
audience for the most part however we
were fortunate and you know right place
right time to be this is sort of on the
forefront of a few really major
I don't know movements in popular
culture I guess one being just you know
Christianity in general being sort of a
pop cultural phenomenon in the mid to
late 90s and then also you know playing
the style of music that we played you
know that whatever you want to call what
it was back then
we were sort of on the forefront of a
lot of bands actually not a lot of bands
of a few bands that were were actually
taking something from the sort of
underground thing that was this sort of
self-contained you know faith-based
music culture and bringing it to a large
audience and so in that sense we were
able to sort of access a larger audience
I think than just heavy music would by
itself at that time so I think that yeah
there was definitely a discussion
surrounding bands like us at that time
because you know Christian culture in
general is always a little bit
find if not a lot there behind ya the
culture at large and truthfully we were
glad to be a part of a greater
discussion because we felt like one of
our motivations and starting a band one
of my motivations and wanting to put a
band together was to sort of challenge a
stereotype that you know yeah being a
person of faith and believing something
that is inherently uncool and lame and
not rock and roll can someone who
believes in these inherently uncool
things make art that is cool you know or
that is good or current or relevant or
whatever we're doing and so that was
kind of you know the goal the man has to
be you know a legitimate man in every
single way but also sort of have this
sort of real life perspective and
honesty about being a person with a face
faith-based background yeah that's what
like you know you just said about the
the Christian scene being a few years
behind for something in in some circles
they say Christian music is seven years
behind whatever's happening in the
mainstream I think that's changing a lot
now but you know definitely back in the
day we totally can see that especially
with the Christian hip-hop back in the
day but so for that being behind the
kind of style that you guys were doing
in in project 86 in the early days yeah
you know there there wasn't other bands
that you sounded like like oh these are
the Christian limp Biskit so these are
the Christian Korn obviously if you're
into that genre it's gonna kind of fit
in but it was still something original -
about what you were bringing to the
table with the art form of as far as
like being very poetic you know I'm
saying it so did so what what would you
say about the creativity in the early
ages of like just being original in sin
standing out as separate well I think
whenever you embark on a creative
journey so to speak it's in the early
stages a really large part of that
process is finding your voice
like in defining your voice it's a lot
of artists don't ever do that but if you
you know take your craft seriously that
has to be made a big priority and that
was a big priority for me and for our
band is to have you know our own sound
not just sound like our influences or
not yeah for me as a songwriter and
lyricist not just write like ABC guys
that I looked up to the who were
frontmen
so just try to be myself within the
songwriting process and you know what
came out naturally for me was just you
know pictures with words essentially
more like a stream of consciousness kind
of approach where I'm just connecting
with the music and just writing phrases
and and words that come out of me with
you know maybe on a loose theme or with
a general point in mind or in reflection
to some sort of life circumstance but
really just getting help feelings in the
forms of words and so as much as there's
a direction and a purpose with a lot of
the songs that project 86 we haven't
released over the years the starting
point is always an emotion rather than
like some sort of message yeah and I
think hopefully that's what established
the band is having our own unique
approach you guys are coming upon the 20
year anniversary from some of the early
stuff is it to draw on black lines 20
year anniversary or is it the first
album the 20 year anniversary of the
band was last year bands okay when you
university the first album is next year
next year 2018 and you're about to
release it some tour dates that you're
gonna be touring off of the music from
the first two albums as far as the
majority goes well we actually just this
previous year we we did a 20th
anniversary tour
us-only and then we have been in the
midst of a PledgeMusic campaign that's
really stretched over a long period of
time it's almost finished now for our
tenth album which is for our 20-year
anniversary okay and as a part of that
we released a five song EP that was all
influenced material I don't like the
word cover but their cover songs
essentially to me a cover song is you're
essentially just trying to emulate the
original and these are our own
interpretations of songs that have you
know been influential or artists who've
been influential to us over the years so
on that EP we did we covered or
reinterpreted songs like sabotage and
Beastie Boy yes we did fell on black
days by Soundgarden we did facet squared
by Fugazi Nana constant sorrow and
strange fruit by Billie Holiday so it's
kind of an eclectic mix of songs but it
it was fun to record them and in the new
album is 10 songs we're just finishing
up the last touches the recording and
starting the mix process and that will
be out late this year to the public and
little sooner than that to our pledge of
music people if you want to still get on
board you the listeners shameless plug
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on there and get immediately our 5 song
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yeah make sure you guys go over there
and do that and support some of the arm
that do there's a lot of cool March over
there I wish I would have got one of the
early photos dude from from the first
release oh no man I see I see note those
are gone I was like oh man
totally one of one of those dude as far
as the style starting off there you know
coming into the Christian music scene
they called it rap core right you guys p
OD rod laver
packs 217 38th parallel and these were
some of like the the bands that you know
pretty much wrapped over metal that's
high but it's just it's create this
crazy eclectic fusion in and I'm saying
you your band was was in the mixer of
those guys many of those guys who were
going strong back then don't exist
anymore
so surviving the death of that genre and
you guys being able to kind of keep
going because I've seen some of those
guys try to change the style up a little
bit I would see like 30th parallel I was
a huge study at parallel fan and then
seeing them around that time like the
Christian hardcore bands started like
taking over if people wanted breakdowns
people wanted to slam dance like that's
what it was and to see 30th parallel
singing like these beautiful melodic
songs and rapping at these hardcore
festivals which this essentially turned
into hardcore shows it did it you know
I'm saying it wasn't well received and
bands like that packed to 17 were some
of my favorites they didn't you know I'm
saying they we see we've seen them I
guess kind of fades out kind of early
but you guys kept going you you you
you're sound evolved and changed over
the years and became something a little
bit of everything put together and just
kept evolving talked a little bit about
those early years about like all the
other bands who were doing it that kind
of came but you guys kept going yeah the
interesting thing was back then in which
was kind of the mid-90s that sound had
come around and like it was new right
there were only a couple of bands doing
it and they were considered cool you
know this was before went biscuit and
everything that came after that you know
there was def tones there was Rage
Against the Machine and there was once
nine-millimeter and there was down set
and that was it really
yeah and there was a real hunger
for that kind of music because it was
really punk rock you know but it was
also it was just combining a sounds that
a lot of people who listen to more you
know aggressive music love you know
hip-hop and in punk rock and hardcore
and all that you know in one package
sounded like a beautiful mixture at the
time and it was for especially for those
pioneering bands that I just mentioned
and we you know I made plans to start a
band that had that sound you know right
you know early on when I heard a couple
of those bands playing in you know this
is it this is the sound and when we
released our first album you know we
sort of landed in that realm because
that's what we were shooting for however
you know I talked to a lot of people
about the early days of the band I
really sound like I didn't really rap
exactly exactly
like I was intending to and it come out
that way and that was sort of a saving
grace of the band I think if it had been
more rappy instead of more of like a
spoken word shouty kind of thing I don't
think we would have endured yeah you
know Isaac became known yeah okay no it
became incredibly popular for a minute
and then it became incredibly uncool
yeah and it's still uncool you know and
so well I think we had an accurate
enough perception about this the scope
of the music and you know the way music
was going in general and and our
influences I think were a lot different
when you boiled it down and all of those
other bands I think we were savvy enough
to realize when we released drawn black
lines that that music was going to go
away pretty quickly and so by the time
we started writing music after drawing
black lines we started saying okay what
kind of band are we going to be here
yeah
you can't keep doing this thing
because this thing has gotten played out
and I think what biscuit ruined it for
everybody
- gimmicky man it turned into a gimmick
something cool or the they embodied
every cliche that was horrible about you
know that genre of music and you know
there were some other bands that came
along as well that sort of ruined it for
everybody else to just leave it so awful
you know we played our you know we
played we have our own smudges on our
history as well if you just go back and
watch the old videos and things like
that but you know it was what it was and
I'm thankful that you know that movement
happened because project 86 wouldn't
have existed yeah like like he said you
know we we made a decision that we
wanted to evolve into something else
into you know something that hopefully
stayed a little bit more relevant and I
think the priority that we placed on
having our own sound early on and the
band is what is the other thing that
sort of saved us and so you know we've
been kind of like a I don't know harder
rock band I guess yeah so it like wasn't
a regurgitation of something that
already existed and I think that's why
that in your vocal patterns and the
metaphors and stuff and I think that if
you was to come out with your lyrics a
little bit more blatant about Jesus or
whatever they've like cuz cuz we're kind
of you know walking a fine line of being
Christian or beat in being corny - so
your lyrics made it in this poetic form
to where like I think anybody could
listen to it and it's like okay what
does this mean to me he's talking about
struggle this is the struggle that goes
on within the heart of men versus the
heart of Christians or whatever so it
was something that kind of reached
deeper to a broader audience it was
something real versus hey we're gonna be
the youth group band and play up here
and and please you know play worship
music or whatever the case is and that's
dude and I think that speaks for the
longevity of the band in those first
couple albums that I still listen to to
this day which are amazing I'll put him
on to get chills listening to that older
music man thank you
mm-hmm appreciate that and you know as
much
I don't necessarily think our first
album you know I think we were so young
when we wrote those songs and so new as
a band and some new at doing it you know
like we hadn't really even tapped into
the potential that sort of came to
fruition on our second record and I
think our second record you know we
really did something special there
because we were all on the same page and
really wanted to write a certain type of
album and we really wanted to prove
something as a band and made a little
bit more experience a little bit more
confidence and you know I think drawing
black lines really paved the way for us
to have a long career as a band but I
appreciate the good words man like it's
been a really interesting and fun
journey and you know I think people who
haven't been turned on to us for quite a
while would be shocked to hear that we
actually have some pretty good songs on
some of the more recent records exactly
exactly and notwithstanding the album
that we're planning on dropping later in
the year there's some let me ask you
about that because I've been watching
some interviews with I know I'm Anton
and Billy Corgan did a tour recently and
I've been watching some of their
interviews and they're talking about how
they have new music that they're working
on but the fans want to hear you know
they want the old stuff in Billy Corgan
and Manson are kind of upset about it
because they don't want to get up there
and and just play the music that you
made out to end days eighth grade in the
back seat or whatever and be like the
soundtrack for that aren't you into a
cliche it turns you into a joke and play
those songs a thousand times just yeah
it's hard to stand up there and do that
I think for project you know our biggest
song as a band that came out later in
our career that was fall going at all we
got more traction with that song if that
song would have come out on our third
album we would have sold a million
copies you know it was a different type
of music but yeah I think that we've
made as good or better of songs middle
and late in our career but that's pretty
rare
we just haven't had a major label push
behind it you know um but yeah I mean I
I totally get where artists like that
are coming from but the reality is for
most artists you have a sweet spot in
your career which is usually earlier on
in your career where your youthful angst
meets your hunger yeah and you have the
passion the drive and the talent and
also the seemingly limitless well of
inspiration to pull from make albums
it's harder to write new stuff that
you're excited about and still make it
commercially viable to where people are
gonna relate to it it's just hard you
know so like I'll be honest you know
Marilyn Manson's best records are behind
him probably yeah
mashing pumpkins best records I love
both of those bands are finding them
most likely and it's not just because of
nostalgia it's because of the fact that
they made those records during a time in
their lives when they were hungry and
young Diane just at a place where they
were capable of making those records and
I just don't know if they are capable of
making those kinds of records anymore
I haven't amount of magic that goes into
that it's I haven't seen Manson I want
to see Manson because of the nostalgia
right and but like I'm watching on
YouTube some of the newer concert
footage and I'm like okay that's Manson
I remember Manson from my childhood and
then I go back and watch the early
Manson stuff and I'm like oh my god
these dudes were like otherworldly they
brought something totally new artistic
to the table the way they dressed the
way they acted the stage performance and
he loved it and it was striving now he's
just he's just there you know I'm saying
and so you see a lot of bands go through
that transition a lot of rappers the
first two albums are the best everything
else whether they have other people
writing for them they live in the lavish
lifestyle or they don't have time
anymore but it just goes downhill but
some of them could still write a single
write they know how to you know do it
and I
you know not to crap on Jeremy camp but
Jeremy camp knows how to write a good
worship song and he knows he could keep
writing them and keep dishing him out
put him out and they're good they're
good songs he knows how to do it but
it's not like the early hungry this is a
part of my heart that I'm giving you
type stuff you know yeah after a while
it kind of becomes career maintenance
you know I mean you're trying to please
the fans to keep paying bills to keep
the career and the machines on the board
and all that stuff you know yeah some of
that comes into play and for me like I'm
super thankful that there are people out
there who still love my band and still
support what I do this PledgeMusic
campaign has gone really well yeah a lot
of people come out of the woodwork and
have ordered multiple things and
experiences merch and everything we have
a lot of work to do ahead of us and
fulfilling a little bit but it'll be fun
yeah we're just thankful man like 20
years later plus still being able to do
it and not in such a way that we're just
like holding on to it because of again
nostalgia or you know it's more just the
fans voting like you really want another
okay show us show us but you know anyway
you're not this shows you want another
album we will give you another album we
will put our heart and soul into it I
will put my heart and soul into it I
will give you hopefully some songs that
you'll really love and really connect
with as much as our other ones that you
love if not more and I feel like we've
done that like you know every you know
when your new album comes out you have
to say this is our best album you know
because of the hype training that you
have to create to sell the records you
know I try to just let the music speak
but yeah we have some really good songs
again on this album ones that are
memorable that will sound out stand out
and our catalog and the people seem to
feel the same way on that music can't be
over plugging that but that's all the
way people can listen to these yes I'm
not seeing some stuff about the
parchments on the PledgeMusic as well
but I know you do I know you do
Commission work as well you you yeah
t-shirt designs and I got this from you
that's awesome signed by one of my
favorite artists and and favorite lines
from a song this is from when darkness
reigns and for those who are listening
on audio version this is a calligraphy
parchment that Andrew did himself and it
says this is the hour when truth divides
and dude the build-up on that song and
just not like that's a statement that we
live by and it's not just me I have a
bunch of friends who a hardcore project
36 men and this is what we live by we're
talking my getting shirts printed up
with this quote on it and everything and
dude just because it's like man just
like and you know I guess I could tell
you early on like being a baby Christian
and going to church and not really
fitting in and just being different
trying to fit in but not really fitting
in looking for a voice that sounded like
someone to say what we were thinking and
to kind of get behind early on dude it
was you and Sonny scent of all frumpy OD
men so it's an honor to have you on the
show to talk to you man
I've been listening to your music for
years and you're a huge inspiration to
me especially with the art form being
eclectic and bringing something
different to the table and being okay
with that because in some realms of the
Christian Church it's not okay to be
different like you have to kind of be in
this mold or whatever and so you kind of
given us the past to be the past to be
ourselves and speak our truth man and
still you know follow Christ man and do
it the would in an expression the way he
gives it to us man thank you so much do
for everything you are appreciated
words man that makes my day so
appreciate everybody is listening as
well and we'll do it again man so all
right brother thanks so much for coming
on and hanging out with me man like I
said we'll do it again and I got a whole
bunch more questions on here so whenever
you have Tom hit me up brother let's do
it again all right one more album comes
out how about that we'll do it we'll do
it we'll do it again brother I'll hold
you to it man you know I will we'd be
trying to make this happen for a long
time
okay Jerry Oh bless you man thank you
Andrew Schwab from the band project 86
and I met y'all I'm a little nervous man
I'm a little I'm a little girl here
little starch like I've been listening
to Schwab since I was since I was little
since I was like 17 his music is the
soundtrack for my conversion experience
man you know coming into the faith and I
got a caller here and I wanted to bring
him on ask him a question but I promise
you that I'll bring you in whenever the
the album drops and I get him back I
promise I'll break you on early you
could come over here and do it with me
but imma go ahead and bring in a good
friend of mine Big Dave who's on the
line as well what's up Dave man you
didn't even let me dude he said yeah my
man yeah I kept him I kept him longer
than then he was supposed to stop dude I
listen to I listen to talk radio I
listen to talk radio all the time and I
know how it goes yeah so it was funny
when you can't you know you let me know
he was gonna be on there so I broke my
phone out started looking up all the old
project stuff that I could think that
way I would look stupid when I come on I
didn't know anything he forgot it was it
was like it was like so long ago right
after after drawing blank lines and
heroes I'm ashamed to say I fell off you
know I ventured over to hardcore stuff
just like you said Norma Jean and
blindside and on the road and I got into
that stuff after but I always man I mean
but you know what though I have more
project stuff on my phone and I do any
other Christian art period band out
there maybe there's a beside beloved
because beloved are you able oh no don't
you know that that's you get that guy on
I'm coming to your house we've gotten on
this enough that one but because that's
my favorite band
yeah but you know project was man I
discovered project and that was like my
gateway you know to the rest of you know
tooth and nail and goatee record it I
was looking for Christian rock I was
looking for something other than I love
praise their worship
Ginetta phrasing worship leader have one
but man I love that old-school I
wouldn't win Christian rock came out
back in the mid early 2004 2000 that
changed a lot of music you know I mean
you could listen to secular bands and
hear their influence from what could
have been some of these Christian band
you know they just kind of set the
standard for what Christian metal was
and and you can't find that I hadn't
looked too hard to them old mouth but
you know that that that early 2000 you
know late 2000s that that Christian
metal that any any of that Christian
rock was was just great and I haven't I
don't think anybody's doing it like that
anymore
yeah man it's it's different man because
they were hungry like you were saying
and I bands change and albums change and
some bands come back with their second
release their sophomore effort in in in
the you know they don't even get a
second one it's not as good man you know
I think I think a band that I could have
named there with those guys as a band
called these five down that we used to
listen to a lot as well yeah but their
their their second release it did not
hold up to the hype which you know I'm
saying that when the first one came and
they kind of raised the bar in Christian
music they kind of brought that raw that
that raw hardcore sound I'm saying a new
metal slam-dancing
and all that's like the the 7 string
guitars drop a tuning that kind of stuff
but their second album didn't do it and
then to see bands like packs 217 was
kind of like the rap core stuff their
first two albums were good but then as
rapcore was phasing out they kind of
started doing rock music Christian rock
and it was good but it wasn't it wasn't
you know what their fans fell in love
with and they weren't able to kind of
keep going and it's a bunch of early
Christian bands that were you know I'm
saying kind of had that same the same
story or that same legacy I think I
heard was Andrew swab I think I heard
him say that he said that he didn't
quite mean to new like rap or wasn't
what he says yeah no he said something
he says was found he was pursuing
because he because so you know I'm
saying people call it rap core right and
it's a kind of a corny name but hey you
guys do rap core they kind of want to
stay away from that name so he was just
kind of talking about how he was he was
trying to rap early on but his his vocal
patterns the way he wrote his lyrics it
wasn't rap as in hip-hop as well as I'm
saying like the way I do it
his was almost more along the lines of
Rage Against the Machine shouting these
different these poetic lyrics that
didn't have the ROM raps half the ROM
right so that was the difference between
like his cadence and what he was doing
and what he brought to the table so
that's what he was talking about even
though he was trying to rap so I made it
with that you know with those same
cadence and the melodies and the
drumbeats and stuff like that but it
wasn't rap as we know it you know Sam I
think his voice I mean the first thing I
heard from project I didn't even I
didn't hear anything at first I heard
his voice and the way he did his vocals
at how unique that sounded and man I
loved it
I gravitated towards his sound and I
still listen I still show strangers I'm
at listening to this guy's bored
listening how he does it and I don't
think anybody I don't think anybody did
it like he did everything he meant to do
it or not but just it's not screaming
it's not singing and it's it's almost
talking aggressive was a strange
statement you know he's such a unique
voice and that really that's that I mean
that that caught me before anything else
before they were before I knew they were
Christian before I knew anything about
him I heard I heard the way he did his
vocals I'm like man that is the most
unique cool thing you know because is
even uh even Johnson Davis you know corn
I mean this is just the way that he did
the beatboxing thing I know whenever
like frequent least came and that was
unique that was really cool but you know
you look for the human sounds and then
he had that address Rob just killed it
and he still has the most unique vocals
you know I mean whenever you called me
before the interview I started looking
but you know I'll be a dead man and
stuff like that all the old stuff that I
have with my home pipe dream and I'm
just like his voice is so you yeah
I remember early on whenever I got saved
and I was hanging around Mike Malone and
you know berry and you know I'm saying
that crew when I first got saved and I'm
coming out of the world huge corn fan
huge Marilyn Manson huge limp Biskit fan
and I'm one and I'm asking them okay one
that I want some Christian rock is their
Christian metal bands that sound like
corn is their bands that sound like I'm
a biscuit and they say yeah okay yeah
there's some Christian rock bands
someone's got some CDs he'll let you
borrow and they gave me um Audio
Adrenaline okay you know this is this is
the closest we have the corn and they
gave me Audio Adrenaline to kind of
replace the corn addiction you know and
I was like let down thank God right
Betty copper tooth and nail records
tooth and nail records you know there is
the one that I can remember off the
baddest tooth the nebula yeah it was the
one that things are cracks tattoos and
man I don't even know if yeah I don't
even know I don't even know who Rogers
86 will side with in the beginning when
they did blood when they'd be drawing
blank lines I have no idea who they were
with as far as a record label but you
know I mean that once I discovered them
I started answering off you know and I
found these other you know he's right it
seems like they have a rapper I'm saying
it quickly turned over the hard for you
know a few years they had to run man
those guys had to run I mean because
they were doing festivals with hardcore
bands and you know how the hardcore fans
are give us a breakdown play a breakdown
we can't appreciate your amazing you
know voice vocal and your good lyrics
because even their lyrics man yeah I
can't quote any of right now I did not
get to brush up on this I played I
played some of the earlier and it's it's
it's been it's been a while since I've
listened to some of the old projects as
well but dude that old stuff man those
first two albums were amazing dude
yeah I got chills listening to and it
just brought me back to a time where I
was early in my faith where I was
vigilant where you know and just and
just reading the lyrics and the lyrics
just meaning something like totally new
just about not compromising your face
a standard for what you believe and in
quoting those lyrics and a whole sea of
people these you know these guys are
performing at Cornerstone and these huge
festivals and you got a whole sea of
people being vigilant about their faith
about what they believe in and not being
ashamed of it right you know saying even
if it's not popular whatever the case is
it's not popular opinion and Schwab and
Sonny Sandoval from PLD early on both of
those guys man we're like that's all I
listen to man early on I love the men
you were talking about uh you come up I
was looking I was gonna tell him and he
mentioned that he said the perfect thing
limp Biskit ruined ratrock yeah he did I
thought that was funny that he said that
because yeah you know first came out
you're like yeah but you quickly realize
that west boiling was like this yeah and
once was more than lefland biscuit limp
biscuit became no more you know because
he wrote the song he did the music I
mean West Bolden was when biscuit and I
was gonna tell him and you know I
thought just a for about I old youth
pastor 10 mills and the very first time
I brought up with biscuit to him and I
showed it to him he listened he said
that's Fred Durst I'm not you know and I
was all fascinated he's like yeah man he
used to move down the street for me and
my brother used to hang out and he
looked at it and said that's not Fred
Durst so what do you mean he said that's
not he said that's not the dirty little
kid that I grew up with that that is a
he made himself into this hip-hop Limp
Bizkit thing that he kind of laughed at
him because he said yeah there that
that's not the guy that they grew up
down the street for me at all that's
somebody totally different you know so
of course you I hated Fred Durst since
he sent behind there and Lewis and
Biloxi and called the whole locks
at that moment he did two things wrong
he interrupted Aaron Lewis it was a far
better musician than he is and then he
called it Moloch see instead of look I'm
like do you just did two strikes right
there and know that you know at that
point of what yeah yeah well you kind of
got to give it to him a little bit
because I believe that he found Aaron
Lewis like he actually found stained and
kind of gave them the deal and and and
today and stay only did stain you know
I'm saying come on and we yeah we could
talk about the same thing when stain
first started their album versus to
where they are now or a couple years ago
you know that was a good progression
though but they had to come out of that
dark and heavy and grungy sound to you
know not be depressed and I know he
talks about that a lot too of just being
able to write a good song and not be
depressed or not being about thinking
about killing yourself or something like
that you know people grow up they get
families and stuff he's he's not
thinking about killing itself anymore so
you got to write something beautiful you
know songs about his kids and wife
trying to uh trying to get you know like
my daughter you know hey I'm trying to
get her you know to listen to try to
help her find Christian things and who's
the name of the rapper who he's white
guy he's a referee's Christian KJ laughs
- huh nf know it onf okay I'm finna
Sadie's back too far away KJ but ya NF
know down enough is up there direct yeah
yeah so she loves you know but I can't
like I haven't searched new Christian
rock and I have no idea who's even out
there anymore is anybody good okay so
this is what I was gonna tell Andrew and
I'll tell you as well but I'm definitely
gonna bring this up the next time I have
him on but there's a band out it's a
Christian metal band you gotta check
them out dude trust me
so it's a band called silent planet and
they do the vocals are eerily similar to
Andrew Schwaab old Andrew swab and
end up erin wise from the band me
without you so if those two got together
and had a baby this guy from silent
planets got named Garrett Russell I
actually had him on the podcast dude you
gotta check out he's got her he's got a
song called panic room everybody
listening if you haven't heard silent
planet they got a song called panic room
go and listen to that especially if
you're a project 86 fan and you have
those guys trust me
check them out good stuff he said he
sounds just like him and actually when I
had him on the podcast I asked him if he
had ever heard of project 86 I mean
you're doing Christian rock you're doing
Christian metal he said he'd never even
heard of project 86 he didn't even know
who Andrew Schwab was you know he's a
young guy that's a young guy but but but
but those guys are putting in work
really good stuff yeah he does like the
dude that's a that's a great album it's
a great album I had him on the show too
so if you guys want to go back and
listen to that interview
Garrett Russell from silent planet go to
the website check that out as well on
iTunes and all that so the the new Norma
Jean you know I told you about that and
your guy from desktops names you know
you know yeah Tina Brown I'm totally I'm
terrible okay yeah but he did he did
that album with Norma Jean yeah man it
was really there and helped reduce it
and stuff yeah it is good man it is good
hey Norma Jean still doing some good
stuff they've come a long way from
Memphis will be laid to waste man that
was a song of my the glaze and you're
scared there yeah that was the song that
raised me that you know what I found
normally I was like this is it you can't
be this is it this is the owner
that's a good song man he lay there
moles in her eyes oh yeah yeah do you
know what when it when it comes to that
I'm actually a member of the bat the bad
Christian podcast I think I've told you
but it's the band Emory they have their
own podcast and they have that and you
know they have their own group and stuff
and I think Emory came a little bit
later than these bands but Emory kind of
made their mark on the gadget the
Christian metal scene and you know I'd
like to move my hair here in Mobile man
the mobs haven't seen they you know at
the same way emulating bands like so
there were some bands who came on the
tail end of that they were just a little
too late to really get into what was
going on you know you know between
between us at Pensacola man we just I
mean there were shows every weekend and
dude vans do one of the best ones man
because I'm going back listening to the
first still remains album d I'm EP and
the hasted day both of those EPS and you
know we actually booked them in
Pensacola and got to shake hands and eat
dinner with those guys and seen them
before they I'm saying before they blew
up dude you remember that that was so
awesome in the Dylan cafe we lived there
with remember the fights we used to have
between the Pensacola kid and the mom
pound kids yeah
again game fighters we were still
marching yeah we were trying to Maus and
they were jump in there and wanted to
fight and we'd be like we want to fight
with them because we were still Mawson
and they wanted to get in there start
throwing well that kind of brings up a
whole thing to the discussion too
because we were there in those early
years of the hardcore dancing and stuff
when nobody knew what it was right and
because a lot of them that music got big
in the Christian hardcore scene that
kind of dude because like I'm saying the
bands like under oath the bands like
hast a day
As I Lay Dying and Norma Jeane were the
ones to blow up here that genre before
it kind of went mainstream and in
mainstream guys sort of kind of copying
what the Christian guys were doing right
and then exactly what I kind of felt
like you know because I mean the
Christian hardcore thing was that was
the best music you know I mean I beloved
and then under the mainly though those
bands such as band and I have no idea
how far out it went yeah but it seems
like it's you know the Christian Ark or
bad you can't you can't mimic them that
we're this is a sound like it lets you
this is us an old guys no man we got
people we got people in the chat room
who are dropping names too brother Adam
stars he just says he's talking about
Zao man
Zao still around Zao with a band brother
I remember the first time like because I
used to go to the Christian bookstores
and they would have the CDs opened
already you take the CDs and put them in
you can sample them the CDs before you
bought remember this was like an early
2000 and we go there on a Friday night
bunch of Christians hanging out in a
music store drinking coffee listening to
Christian metal and trying to find new
bands that's over before the internet
like totally blew up and I remember
because you used to be able to go out
and you meet and people would bring
their CD they would find yeah now kids
don't even leave their bedroom they sit
on you sit their face on each other and
they talk about what's on 97.5 and I'm
like yeah this is terrible there used to
actually go out and meet other people
this is how you found out about other
band a lot of cool people and I'm
friends with a lot of people to this day
from meeting them at a show right like
going to a hardcore show like a local
show and meeting somebody and stuff and
and I was gonna say when it would become
kind of before we get too far removed
from that topic the whole Christian
hardcore thing how to create blew up in
the Christian scene first
mind you that everybody was with slam
dancing in motion right but as far as
like the dancing where they had like an
art form to hardcore dancing
that kind of blew up in India in the
Christian scene first and then whenever
we were all into it we would do it as an
art form many of us did it almost as
worship to God right just getting by
yourself doing these it's like
aggressive you know I think descriptions
even say that King David danced
violently before the Lord right so you
people would do this and do it as an act
of worship and if you hit somebody it
was an accident you said all my bad bro
you give them a hug hey man cool dude
what's your name bro get my hugging and
then you go back to what you're doing
but then when that when they started
blowing up in the secular realms and the
secular guys started coming over with
the secular bands and and they would
come to the Christian shows because it
blew up in the Christian song first and
then when we would do the hardcore dance
and people be almost like I said
worshiping you get punched in the face
these guys trying to fight you at a
concert like you know I'm saying because
they're doing it and they're violent you
want to start a fight and it's like it
totally like hold on I'm sorry bro and
they're like f you man I hope wow this
is this is a whole nother this was weird
I remember I remember um this little guy
over in Pensacola at the end of the line
cafe we went there it was me Jesse Josh
curry I'm not sure if you you were there
but there was a little guy he ran up and
he did a cartwheel and he kicked Josh
curry in the face with both of his feet
and uh and Josh pulled him to the side
after the band he's a hey bro uh yeah
man that little move you did you kicked
me in the mouth and he looked at him and
said play with fire get burned bro and
walked off I was like that's weird it's
just awkward man we weren't used to that
what what to church boys man going to
the bars and stuff to go to go here we
were going to hear Christian hardcore
bands at bar rooms right yeah that's why
that's why I quit getting in the pit man
because I guess I got hit to me we
brought we brought Phil two to a show
over in Pensacola under oath was
supposed to be playing and I think you
might have came Dave I don't know how
many souls you were at yeah okay well
that was the thing I'm supposed to be
playing but they never showed up
would you remember that do remember that
one yeah that one but there was as a
older like 15 years ago exactly I know
there was a say Oh side-project there
I think the guitars from Zeo when the
bass has had another band and then
there's a band called love drug and we
don't remember because they weren't big
but an Berlin played that night before
amberlynn blew up and it remember that
remember that but Phil got in the mosh
pit there at the bar
we all got in it but those guys started
getting violent trying to saw fights so
we kindly moved out the way and let him
have the floor we're not coming here to
fight and so Phil stayed in there it's
crazy metal Phil right
one man mosh pit filled circle around
and phil was getting punched in the head
like they were punching himself like
taking swings at him I'm like Phil get
out the mosh pit man you're getting hit
they're trying to punch you he said no
no no this is supposed to happen it's a
mosh pit say brother trying to eat you
on purpose man you gotta get out of
there dude you know what this is crazy
it happens hey bro you got to get out of
there I just so I got mad it became it
became the whole mobility versus
Pensacola scene and we were they were
hardcore kids and we were metalheads and
yeah and there was there was we call
didn't the hot topic kid that's what
that's what that's what alternately
changed a lot of things like they were
the hot topic kids and we were still
making our own clothes
we were legit yeah and uh and there's
miss separation man yeah man just I mean
that whole that whole scene mana that
back at the to look for me when I was
like 18 and 35 now but when I was like
18 up to but I don't know maybe late
twenties you know maybe 28 29 man I
lived to go out and see bands play that
that's that's all we did every weekend
we were Mississippi we were over
Pensacola we were anywhere there was a
man playing we were going to plan on
there and let's don't bring up silver
before they got super big we would take
do good job like four hours we go see
skillet
miyamoto funny I tell my daughter I tell
my daughter ad because she loves the
song monster is that one of their songs
yeah yeah yeah so she loves that song
yes I tell her yeah you know the Eric
and Erin wouldn't follow them around
some bases you got straight-up stop
stealing on BAM I memorably played in
they played in to ask me that's where
they get big you know it's another
Cheers
some other fans like the least remember
we've seen bleach on a couple times
bleach rely on k-pax 217th Rambo State
Marine Sarah Lee yeah reliant K which is
like super stardom right reliant K blew
up yeah yeah they did they got really
big for a little while yeah I don't know
he's probably doing other stuff I think
he was doing some stuff with our city I
know they did a song together but I
think he got more some of the other
names that are being dropped in the chat
room rackets and drapes does that ring
any bells to you David rackets great a
and the only reason I know who rackets
and drapes are was because I used to I
used to get the Christian magazine hmm I
think it was heavens metal or hard music
I think it was kind of back and forth
about what it what it stood for whatever
and ragged brackets and drapes was
always in there and they were kind of
like the Christian Marilyn Manson they
wore makeup in warlike dresses and stuff
and they were like totally like Manson
knockoff or whatever but one thing about
the HM magazine back in the day which
like every month they put out a new
issue and we went to the Christian
bookstore to get it in the back of every
episode of every armed issue they had
yeah issue magazine they had a an
interview with the secular band and they
would ask the secular bands all about
their music their influences bah bah bah
bah it didn't at the end like the last
three or four questions it was about
their faith you know I'm saying they
were ask him about their faith in Jesus
you know who do they think Jesus is and
that was really cool to look in
there and see that they had an
interviewer I think cold chamber was in
one of those magazines and they're
asking them you know yeah I'm saying who
do you think Jesus is what does he mean
to you have you ever heard the gospel
you know I'm saying and they would like
have these secular bands on and
essentially explain the gospel to him
right and they would do it every every
issue there was an interview with a
secular band and it's kind of
reminiscent of what I do I reach out to
a lot of secular people a lot of I have
secular artist on I have people who
don't believe in Jesus in my and I have
to wonder if they've ever heard of Jesus
so I feel like that's my job and you I'm
saying my responsibility so it's very
reminiscent about what I'm doing now man
that's pretty cool to see those ties and
connections they're you know you should
reject the Katy Perry and Esther what
will turn earth believe me up man you
know what she you know what Katy Perry
though man there was a time where I was
just like every time I heard Katy Perry
recently I'd want to pray for and and I
just I just started praying I got some
interceding for a man um
because early on listening to Christian
music Christian radio 24/7 I remember
when we got born again when you get when
you got in our car and you went to
change the radio station to put it on a
different dial you know how you program
each station every single button what's
program talk local Christian radio
station and everyone who changed went
straight to a Christian station but they
used to play a girl by the name of Katy
Hudson back in the early 2000s and one
of the most anointed songs that that
works was played on that station was by
a girl named Katy Hudson and the song
was called don't worry look it up don't
worry about Katy Hudson Katy Hudson I
used to call and request it every day at
lunch they had a they had a request hour
every day I would call that lunch and
say can you play don't worry about Katy
Hudson and I called one day and the guy
told me it was Kenny Kenny from power 88
he said well we don't play her anymore
I said well we don't play her anymore I
said I said why not I said what she
changed her name and she's doing secular
music now we don't we don't play her
music anymore
and then it had been like two years had
passed or so and then even after her
first single I kissed the girl right
even after that I still didn't even know
that that it was her but but come to
find out I watched the CNN interview or
like a Dateline interview or whatever
with Katy Perry and she talked about her
early Christian roots and she was a
Christian singer by the name of Katy
Katy Hudson and I was like oh man that's
Kate Katy Perry is Katy Hudson in si oh
my god like she was anointed worship
singer and then her first album is about
like kissing girls and liking and
promoting you know saying that that our
life style and stuff man and did but to
say where she's at you said about
reaching out to her see where she's at
she just did a very interesting
interview there's this thing where she
you go on and you talked to it like a
doctor like a guru I think vice puts it
out I'm not husband percent sure but a
lot of people do it and they filmed them
just talking to this counselor guru guy
and she starts breaking down man about
like having multiple personalities and
wanting to go back to being Kathryn you
know before the fame before that and
just missing the church missing singing
in church it's sad man so I just
encourage everybody who knows anything
in there's a bunch of messages in the
chat room talking about MKULTRA and
mind-control and all the stuff that you
have to get into like pacts with the
devil and stuff there's all all that
Illuminati rituals
weird stuff that goes on in the
entertainment business man so be praying
for that girl man she has a call on her
life doing this it's obvious man I mean
it's you know you know that if she ever
had an actual experience with God she
ever that they moved was the Holy Spirit
happened in her life she will never be
able to truly deny it you know what I
see I see what you're talking about is
I've seen you know I've heard some of
her recent music and I can't know which
one it is yeah oh yeah yeah there's some
some of it comes out anything you can
hear you can hear it man with the with
the turn away from that success yeah
give up that lifestyle has something
that is all
most impossible yeah you know who knows
I mean look at head from home you know
Ryan was he you know he he had a
breaking point that he finally got to
her head of it that's what she's gonna
have to have you know I mean it's gonna
have to be you know something's gonna
have to happen now I say one thing if
God really wants that girl he's gonna
reach up here and he's going for her
bags you know she has we have free will
yeah we have free will as Christians but
when God really wants his children but
he decided that he needed hidden you're
his tell me he'll reach out there and
grab you he'll pull you back yep
you know what to do it to me Mandy and
it's not gonna be fun he did it to me
honest and you know what though I've hit
that rock bottom and that's that that's
the weird thing I don't understand and
maybe it's because they don't know that
there's another way that there's an
option and maybe that's why we're
supposed to tell people about Christ and
about the gospel and what the true
meaning of the Cross is you know but
there is a lot of people in the
entertainment business who got born
again who hit rock bottom and they turn
to Jesus and even in the UM the music
business
um what's uh the a Baldwin guy it was it
a sweating I forget which one Alice
Cooper he's a born-again believer he's
outspoken about his faith I was Cooper
one of my big ones early on Dave
Mustaine from Megadeth
he's an outspoken believer that there's
a lot of people man is a whole bunch of
them who have hit rock bottom and come
to this place of calling out to God but
what I was gonna say is I don't get it
to where how people hit rock bottom and
they stay there you know I'm saying and
they don't know they'll do or like I
said I think it's you know maybe they
don't know what to do like how to get up
from there or something I mean I don't
know this for a fact but I can imagine
if you like a Katy Perry man you want to
go back
imagine the threats that come out
against you I'm sure
signed contracts where she can't man you
know like 1519 I've heard there's an
actor and I cannot remember his name but
he's a famous actor maybe I could look
the store if I what you know later but
he doesn't live in Hollywood and he came
out he said Hollywood there's the most
poisonous place there oh yeah you know
he said I won't live you know it is evil
it is you know I mean you know I'm a big
Marilyn Monroe thing you know I'm a huge
Miller was half holy believe that all
right you know she got sucked into
taking all these pills and they said
well you do this and he'll take these
pills you know I mean you know she's
just a you know I've read in her story
launch on big melon but man they they
made her they made Marilyn Monroe
because they they fed her so much
medicine and so much drugs and then they
they were screwed her up you know and
that's what happened in Hollywood you
know I mean I'm looking through the
whole law this is far from middle talk I
know we're going to get back to that and
say yeah but um but you know there's
there's poison there the devil has got
his hand and that you know I mean he's
that lifestyle that lavish you make all
the money man you sell your soul to the
devil and you'll be you'll be rich on
this side of heaven you know and it's
all about chasing an earthly game you
know it's all about earthly game and
it's and it's a trick of the devil I
have to deal with it myself because like
me and my wife are having some financial
trouble and it's all I can do tonight
try to go out there and make all the
money I can you know yeah but I got it I
got to remember that okay God got a plan
for me and I just started a job
two weeks ago you know and I felt like
God called me this job and right now
things are not going great we've had
trucks broke down I haven't been able to
run I'm not working tomorrow
unfortunately I'm off or that's that's
the money out of my pocket you know but
I have but I'm just feeling like I'll
just hang on something's gonna happen
Oh God take care yeah we'll definitely
do that he'll definitely and I'll speak
for God he'll definitely take care of
you David definitely oh yeah oh I have
no doubt about that
do you have another point you go ahead
oh you know I was going to share one
more metal moment and then I was gonna
probably get off a nice but man you can
blindside yes
and one of my favorite bands get make
the metal for a second one of my
favorite all-time I was always close to
stuff by then the other day and they
sort of looking look again I fictional I
haven't bought the album on iTunes yep
and I fix him to buy silence yeah oh it
was silence in another one they had two
albums back-to-back the man - were out
of burning fire yes and do me and Tyson
were lost furnace in Birmingham front
centre it elite senior the lead singer
wise of standing on our shoulders was a
hand on her head balancing himself yeah
Christian and he's and he's like he's on
mine and Tyson shoulder he's got his
hand on top of her head me screaming
riding by here he's and get the
microphone right there by my head and
he's just going for that wasn't my
favorite concerts ever been through
shows whatever man oh well funny field
POV was the main act yeah you know he
said they put on another show a point
before clearly I didn't I mean I came to
see blonde top you know me as much as a
pure defender is the man pricing we get
to watch and we get to watch The Blind
Side we cuz of the back we go stand in
the back no impunity comes all nice this
one maybe chokers are great but man I
was there see Blind Side and I wish that
they could have stuck around a little
bit longer needless and some little
music oh yeah we're good you're the old
stuff Christian metal bands out there
Swedish they were from Sweden I know
right make some cause it's cool quick
story Dubai's awesome I remember when we
first found out about them and like we
thought we were on top of our Christian
metal game to me and my wife right we
listened to project we listened to pack
anything we could find I was Christian
metal like we had it right and so we
went to this we went to this youth group
out in West mobile and and in it and
everybody was cool there we were like
we're gonna start helping with the youth
and stuff some friends hooked it up we
went out to the youth group we've met
with the youth pastor and
I had a meeting with them everything and
then at the end of service do they start
they started playing blindside and we're
listening like who is this is this
Incubus like what are y'all playing up
here what is this at the churches like
no dude this is blindside silence the
new album just came out we're like what
is this and do we were blown away we're
in the car we went to Walmart that night
and it was a late youth service and we
we got the Walmart almost like at 12
o'clock at night and we went in there
and we found a blindside silence right
after it came out in Walmart and we we
bought that album dude and that is a
phenomenal album dude and that this dude
that's scratches on it and you don't
have to skip a track no you don't roll
yep yeah yes dude I scratch it I play
that CD until it had scratches on it and
I don't know if I ever replace everyone
I just awarded see slap house it never
came out of a movie player that's a
great I just completely killed that I
played it back you but what's funny just
here's the house of the day I hop on
YouTube I won't make you think a
blindside but I thought of them when I'm
here by myself and my wife's gone I'm a
daughter thought around crank it up give
it to bro hey hey we're in the same boat
planted to man yeah I just turned it
over later buddy's here with me I'm
blasting while I'm blowing the walls
that was some blindside right now I
totally kill it this is great love some
old-school blonde side some beloved man
the kinky past there's old Christian
metal bands and them mm ruled the world
some of the other good yeah life is
still good but it just said nostalgia it
makes you remember when you didn't have
any bills put it that way and it was
kind of you wasn't worried about what
you were doing tomorrow you're just
gonna wake up and see what's on TV and
stuff like that man
so some of the the other names that were
dropped and there's a couple living
sacrifice stave shaker man and there's
so many stories we could go into about
these bands like living sacrifice the
guitarist I believe it is one of the
guitars of Rocky
started the band Evanescence with a
melee right and whenever they came out
everybody everybody thought that was a
Christian ban right because the
Christian Stores were promoting it may
be because rocky was in there but I
think I think the other Christian
connection they had was Paul McCoy from
12 stones was on the first single yes so
you got Christians in the band and the
Christian stores started selling it and
I think a lot of their early success was
from the Christians what they do they
got they got kind of big they got on MTV
and stuff and then they gave a statement
we're not a Christian band and she was
cursing on that she's like after that
we're not effing Christian band
my life is my ministry we're not a part
of any Church and in like the Christian
Stores pulled all the CDs right they
pulled them all another one that was
mentioned here it was along the very
same lines Chevelle I still love it oh
he has I think then the bassist and then
they put it onto just with those three
guys man yes brothers yeah you know they
put it on some of the best be they were
amazing Chevelle then when they first
came out I mean the red oh my goodness
it it's just oh you know and there's
still there music man they're both there
vocals and everything I still play them
a whole lot no see that's what yes it's
kind of the same story they came out on
a Christian label I think it was B EC
recordings and they were sold in all the
Christian bookstores so the Christian
market ate it up and they promoted it
was clean there was no cursing the drug
use no nothing like that very symbolic
lyrics life I don't I don't think they
do but there are they're a positive
here's nothing like if you're a positive
band and you're not particularly air
quotations Christian you know I'll still
listen hearing because like I think it
kills switching back you know you kill
switch Killswitch Engage
and you know I mean yeah and I still you
know I still listen to them I still
listen to heartache that album yeah
that's another album that I bought and I
played it so much that it just kinda
scratched of a complaining work then the
heartache album was unbelievable and it
was positive and you may not be able to
label it Christian but there was nothing
negative about it you know there was it
was positive music you know and I could
listen to and I can get something out of
it you know you just listen to the
harder that's the song the end of
heartache yeah you can almost Christmas
all just doesn't work yeah
the good you know yeah well David we're
coming up on the end of the show man and
just before we leave man if you would
tell everybody just if we can make it
short man we can have you on for another
episode but tell everybody about your
relationship with Jesus man what he done
for you and how you came into faith with
them and pray for those who are looking
for answers man and they in there on
this this podcast and they're listening
to true sigue and David talk man tell
them a little bit about your
relationship with Jesus man man you know
strange thing you can identify with this
God raised me as weird as that sounds
my relationship with God here especially
here recently is not based upon a church
I'm reading the Bible I'm talking to God
I'm getting to know God I'm learning I
have pick the Romans apart like crazy
now I having to read about a week
because this new job has got me running
the circle so I got to make myself a new
schedule to make sure I'm sitting and
reading but uh man I have been studying
Roman I have been taking pieces that
I've made so many notes and I won't go
in all over cuz it takes forever the man
that's what I'm doing I I met God at a
very young age and I know why and it's
because I had a grandmother who prayed
and in him was a powerful soldier of the
cross
my grandmother would pray something and
I promise you she could have split the
Red Sea just like Moses did I have that
much faith in my in my grandmother she
was a super Christian and man I grew up
under that with parents who prayed who
took me to church you know and I just
knew God from a young age and I tell you
what I want to get away from me for a
second I can talk about me a lot of them
but I have been looking into atheism
lately you know and it's becoming more
and more of a thing where people simply
don't know who God is they simply don't
know who God is and that's what I've
been getting into it's just simply
studying atheism I'm on the radio there
yeah my daughter got sorry I might be
baby just also but um there you know
I've been looking at that really people
who were just angry with God it is
simply because they do not know who God
is they don't understand I hear this all
the time I've never heard God speak to
me I've never heard the voice of God you
have an entire Bible slam full of the
voice of God but Jesus was in the denser
and he was dealing with this with Satan
himself he quoted scripture if it's good
enough for Jesus it's good enough for us
we should know Scripture if you if
you're a person who is angry with God it
was who just you'reyou're dabbling maybe
I don't know who God is I don't believe
in this that's because the Internet is
trying to explain to you who God is
media is trying to explain to you who
God is we try to put God inside our head
like he's actually gonna fit there yeah
man
we have to battle back trying to act
like God going to fit inside a box
on your shelf God is got so much bigger
you know this is my cry to atheist
step back quit listening to everybody
read the Bible I promise you I promise
you if you will read the Bible and you
will begin to pray the God reveals
himself to you and you're reading my
Bible and you're studying you get away
from all the social media and all the
anger that's out there God will show up
he's not a genie
you're not gonna rub a bodily he's got a
pub that's all people want they look big
get inside show me son what do you know
what Jesus was hanging on the cross and
they were saying it's you're the son of
God they come off that cross they wanted
a sign then nothing's changed it's
exactly the same they still hold sons
people are still trying to show me a
sign
well they had God right in front of them
and still one of the sign so you know so
we're not getting real I'm you're not
gonna get that you're not gonna get a
sign you're not gonna guys not gonna
show up in your bedroom and say I'm God
it's not gonna happen they had Jesus the
Son of God right in front of them and
still didn't believe that's it's not
gonna work my cry my prayer open your
Bible find some good solid teaching I
love Ravi Zacharias I love David
Jeremiah a little Chuck Swindoll there
there are great creatures out there that
don't base your entire belief on a
preacher don't base your entire belief
on the church they're gonna let you down
at some point that God will never ever
let you down that's good open your Bible
begin to pray begin to see God and then
he will show himself to you but you have
to look in the right places not in
social media not in your friends not on
Facebook not on Twitter not on YouTube
get get in the Bible get a good
old-fashioned King James or New King
James by reading New King James you know
get in there to learn about God man the
scripture says in the book of Acts they
want to know who you know who Jesus is
for what will you know will God revealed
himself to me
the book of Acts says that God is
willing to deal with all men whoever
they are as long as they will repent as
long as it will turn from their sins so
I don't care who you are if you want to
know who God is and you don't believe
you want proof here's the proof a life
transformed I'll tell you this like
David said open that Bible say God if
you're real get by yourself and really
mean it don't do it as a as like a robot
but if you really want to know you you
can really find out who God is get by
yourself
open them scriptures and ask God God if
you're real if you love me if you are
who these guys on this podcast say you
are I'm asking you to show yourself to
me if you show yourself to me I'll
believe in you and I guarantee you he
will he'll reveal himself to you through
his love through the person of Jesus and
what he did on the cross for us for all
of us and we all are sinners in need of
a savior we're all sinners
who have come short of the glory of God
so right now if that's you if you're
looking or if you're a Christian and you
believe and you just need some
encouragement I'm gonna pray for you
right now and I just want you to receive
it the Bible says that the prayer of the
righteous availeth much we are many men
of Prayer we believe in the power of
prayer God I thank you for each and
every person who is listening right now
lord I pray that for those who don't
know you that you just reveal yourself
to them God pour out your spirit upon
them coz Lord you said that you wanted
to pour out your spirit on all flesh
Lord so I pray right now God for that
person listening god did you touch them
and it ended in the depths of their soul
Lord from the top of their head to the
soles of their feet they say they feel
this tingling sensation Lord let them
feel your fire your Lord even more right
now of your love of your grayson of your
mercy thank you for the cross lord I
thank you that Jesus died in our place
so that we wouldn't have to I thank you
that he died so that we might live Lord
I bless your Holy Name I just ask you
Lord for the Christian out there who
struggling with their faith and what to
believe in and they just have so many
questions and they need answers they
need reassurance that this isn't fake
this is just isn't a game or this is
just playing Church god I just
pray that you recapture their heart let
them bring them back to the place where
they started in Jesus mighty name power
and Holy Ghost and fire right now
Jesus name God you know their thoughts
you know their burdens you know their
struggles God
I thank you for your grace in your peace
Jesus mighty name amen thank man thanks
for hanging out with me Dave it was fun
brother and I want to get you on so we
could just because there's a bunch of
stuff and we did it we did a show and
it's still archived would you call it in
at the end but I want to do a full show
dedicated to you where we go into some
of the experiences that you've had
because we'd love to address the sport
realm on this show man we love to talk
about the biggest lie the biggest lie
that Satan tells people this is among
his bigger lies if you have experienced
spiritual things if you have seen demons
the first thing Satan is going to tell
you is you better not tell anybody
better not say anything they're gonna
think you're crazy if you tell them that
so that's the first thing he tells you
he wants to he wants to intimidate you
he he wants to intimidate you he wants
to scare you and then he wants to put
you in a corner and say you're by
yourself in this no one else is going
through this beside you that is the
biggest lie the enemy you expose and for
one thing you have to realize Satan has
no power over us God has power God is
the ultimate authority gee you plead the
blood of Jesus Christ and hell's gates
trims them it is the biggest lie of the
enemy to say you're by yourself you're
going through this wing or not it's not
talked about because of that it's not
address because Satan's lying to you
saying you're by yourself you're not by
yourself there is power in the name of
Jesus Christ and we'll address that
that's good man dude we're gonna do a
whole show dedicated to some of the
experiences that you had because I know
him so we're gonna go into it I'm gonna
pick your brain we're gonna talk about
angels we're gonna talk about demons and
we're gonna talk about struggles so
we're gonna do that let's set that up
maybe sometime this week man would you
get some free time and I'm sure people
with that little plug what you just said
that that that gave me chills so I'm
sure that people listen and would love
to hear your story man we're gonna have
you on the podcast i brother thanks for
coming on brother I'll talk with you
soon
David McHenry ladies and gentlemen man
this is a good show I got to talk to
somebody who has been and I'd like to
use the word Idol but uh he's been an
inspiration in my life
musically spiritually as far as the
faith artistically just had to be
different to be okay with that man just
a lot of stuff in in the life of Andrew
Schwab I remember I used to read
articles years ago about how they
weren't Christian enough and he didn't
say Jesus enough in his music and so now
it feels like like I'm in a similar boat
I get those comments from the Christian
people as well like you don't say Jesus
enough and your music your music is
touching on other stuff I don't know
what you're talking about
I have to look up what you're talking
about those type of things and so I
learned from the best man Andrew Schwab
early on blame him
don't blame me but yeah it was such a
such a blessing to talk to that guy man
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