Christalignment | New Age, Occult and Jesus | Interview With Jenny
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today tonight my guest is Ginny who is
the founder of Christ alignment Ginny
welcome to the podcast how would you my
friend Thank You Derrick it's great to
be here I've been looking forward to
this I first I first sent an email
probably a year ago and then just
somewhere somewhere in the spirit I the
name came up again and I was like Cindy
email again so I sent it again and you
replied right back and said hey let's
talk and now we're here we're gonna do
this episode and I'm excited to hear
about your story the the work that the
Lord is doing in your ministry and in
your heart and I'm excited to get into
some of these encounters and stuff as
well yeah so for I guess for an opener
for people who aren't familiar with what
you do and what you bring to the table
just kind of tell people what you do now
and then we'll get into some background
on testimony and things like that too
okay well we we run a team of seers
and we attend all of Australia's largest
New Age festivals where we're probably
Australia's largest group that a christ
face that go into the New Age in
Australia
when I say Christ based everyone on the
team has actually had an experience with
Christ and we don't channel other
spirits and we don't use other wrong so
we're a team of seers and healers that
are using only a heavenly realm which we
love which we find safe and absolutely
amazing and inspirational and our core
value is to take healing to people that
need that people that um anyone really
we don't have a qualification about the
type of people but we do specialize in
you a
events in Australia that's awesome yeah
I've seen some powerful videos are you
guys involved with the normal Christian
life that those were some videos that
went viral that was was really awesome
out of Australia people go into some of
the festivals dealing with people who
are having bad trips and bad encounters
and stuff like that yeah we actually we
know those guys when we love them but
that video actually did not work well
for the Christian Church as a whole in
Australia and they have some regrets
about making that video they actually
even got death threats after making that
video because it because of that video
now all ministries that are associated
with the Christian life are banned or
suspect in Australia and we can't get in
to music festivals largely because of
that video so it actually had a very
negative effect over all online on
ministry wow that's that's interesting
and I no mean you have went back and
forth about a lot of crazy encounters
that you've had I've had them talking
but they're almost like a badge of honor
though I think part of like the
persecution and what makes it hard to
bring this stuff to the table at the end
of the day it's like the anointing it's
when you may be impressed they're gonna
get that oil out and I think that that's
what that's the refiners fire that we go
through and I think it's showing in your
ministry is beautiful thank you yeah so
let's let's let's talk a little bit
about your testimony where you came from
because I know you come from some pretty
intense realms as well which kind of
gives you a little bit more of an
authority to kind of speak on this stuff
even to just talking about your
testimony and what your your background
yes thank you I had an encounter with
Christ when I was 22 years old I
actually saw him before that I was a
real hippie I lived in an art commune in
Australia I a man
and so I lived in an art commune with
everything that's associated with a
hippie art commune in the 1970s it was a
time in America and Australia of the
Jesus revolution the Jesus people so I
came out at that time of and had this
experience of seeing him for myself when
I was 22 and everything just went from
there my dad is a nudist he's um he's no
I do not come from a religious
background so I guess you'd say can my
husband who's the joint founder of this
ministry he's come from an even more
extreme new-age background his mother
taught him how to do astral projection
astral traveling and then he went in and
became a Buddhist so he he came from a
more extreme new-age background than I
did before I met him and then he also
had an experience with Christ as well
that's awesome
we may be jumping the gun a little bit
but just talking about these encounters
with with with Christ you lead people
out of some of the dark occult arts and
things like that and people are going on
Vision Quest and having these
experiences and things like that and
they're having their own personal
encounters with Christ as well right yes
that is correct
great that's so right and that's at the
core the main thing that we do in our
destiny readings is actually take people
into an amazing encounter in the third
heaven realm where many of them over
half of them the clients that we see are
actually seeing do actually see Jesus
standing in front of them and they're
talking directly to him so obviously
that has a really big impact on their
lives and brings a lot of healing as
well how does that work because I know
what you know people talk about
channeling spirits and I know that we're
in a position as believers that we can
be you know get impressions from the
Holy Spirit words of knowledge words of
wisdom words of encouragement
now were they having this one-on-one
with Christ in the in the trance state
or are you communicating what the Lord
would say to them in that in that
situation we're really leading them it's
pretty simple it only lasts about 15
minutes usually and we were able we came
up with a way of being able to lead them
on a really detailed guided encounter
which is an imaginary encounter but then
it becomes incredibly real that's good
stuff yeah and they're seeing all kinds
of things which is upset an incredible
amount of church people because they say
this can't happen
you know like Jesus can't rock up as a
seagull or Jesus can't rock up as a dead
relative but actually we've found in the
nine years about this ministry that
Jesus will rock up and show up and do
whatever he wants to do and he is and
he's showing up in incredible ways to
people that don't know him yet because
he loves them so much yeah he does man
so people people are having encounters
with with Christ speaking through other
means and stuff you said eagle or
something or just like animal how's that
work sometimes but usually he's standing
right there in front of them and we
asked them to describe him and they
described what they're seeing they don't
know who it is usually in the encounter
but he's always you could basically
always say looks a bit like you do
that's all I ask does he look like me
doc eh he's got a beard he's wearing
long robes and don't forget these are
people that do not definitely do not
come from a religious background and
they actually don't know who they're
talking to
who they're seeing at first but often he
they ask him who are you and he will say
I am Jesus Christ in the encounter so
he's actually talking to them and giving
them the answers to their questions
because the race
and they come to us of course is because
they think we're psychics and they they
believe that we've got the answer to
their deep life questions there's
something particular about the New Age
realm and people who are into the
spiritual movements is the fact that
they're seeking you don't have to see I
felt like in Christendom and even like
trying to reach people for Christ or
share my story I was trying to convince
them of something I just need to let you
see him however if you have to see him
through my life if you have to see him
through a meditation I just need you to
see him because he's so beautiful to
change your life right awesome
we've only been using this type of
encounter now for one and a half years
and the results are just stunning and
the amazing thing is that now we don't
have to do anything yep oh all we do is
take them into we hold their hands we
take them into that place and the Spirit
is doing the rest and they come out of
it crying weeping on their knees even
they get healed of illnesses within that
encounter especially the issue of dead
relatives because many people are going
to psychics now in Australia by the
thousands to try and connect with their
dead relative and you had an encounter
with that as well right or just like I
don't know about an encounter but a
belief system that the Lord spoke to you
which spoke healing to that maybe
ungodly burley belief or this this place
where you didn't know what was gonna
happen on the other side you had an
amazing encounter about that you shared
right if you want to share that story
that'd be awesome you mean to me
personally yes yes yes yes I did well I
actually saw him I saw him in physical
form standing in front of me but I
couldn't see his face because it was too
bright there was just like white light
coming from his face and I was unable to
move for about three hours
while the stucco stuck organs all over
the building
yeah and from that day onwards I decided
to find out if he is really true and I
think that's a core question that that
anyone who is spiritually seeking should
always be asking is um if is this real
is this person real is he alive now
did he really live on earth 2,000 years
ago and I started asking that question
in all seriousness and the more I got
into it the more I started to have more
and more encounters with him and to know
his love that's so beautiful
I've had an encounter that was you know
that was very similar but I didn't see
it was like a silhouette of light it was
beautiful
his heart was communicated like through
feelings through emotions and it was a
beautiful euphoria of Christ but then
again it was like this weeping and oh my
heart for Humanity I need you to tell
him I need you to reach him and it was
it was it was agonizing but euphoric all
at the same time Wow yeah it'll change
man it's so good yeah yeah so as far as
concerning you you were speaking about
people not like people trying to reach
out to their dead relatives or maybe
messing with Ouija boards and things
like that whatever the case is people
are hungry for the supernatural well you
also had an encounter where you lost
someone close to you and you was trying
to get clarity on what happens on the
other side and you had an encounter
through that correct I lost my husband
through suicide because um I nursed him
for five years he got very very sick and
I nursed him for five years
the good thing is he knew where he was
going he hadn't
in relationship already with Christ so I
knew where he was going he he did that
he committed suicide to relieve our
family of what we were going through but
unfortunately the children were very
small and it had a profound effect upon
them and I do remember one of the key
questions I was asking after he died is
where are you know and I find this it's
very common with people that have lost
someone now it's all very well to say
all your life well heaven doesn't exist
all this doesn't exist but when someone
dies it becomes a key question that you
want clarity and you want peace to know
where that person is and so I asked that
question every day
admit many tears even though I already
believed in heaven but I saw that
question where is he yeah and I did I
did get the answer on that yeah um
cuz there's a lot of ungodly beliefs
when it comes to yes suicide when it
comes to hell or this place of torment
we have to discuss it just because it's
being more accepted as an option now I'm
seeing a lot of memes on Facebook up and
I've been talking about this lately
where people are sharing memes making
fun of suicide there's a particular meme
of a baby who was just born on the
operating table with its mother and he
looks mad the baby looks mad and in in
the caption says when you committed
suicide but you reincarnated five
minutes later and he was mad that he
came back to this place this whole thing
even with my show I like to you know do
I have different people on psychics
people of different belief systems or
whatever and I'm open to searching out
stuff and then relating it back to the
scriptures I have a lot of guests who
are really big into the past life things
how do you feel about that because
that's never resonated with me and and
and I've I've heard people just in even
close friends
talk about like I just want to try again
let me push the reset button reincarnate
because I've just you know I've had
enough trauma that one soul can take let
me try it again
and you look at it like an option I
don't I don't believe that that's the
case at all how do you feel about the
whole reincarnation and suicide aspect
of it as well like it's an option or
something
well we personally don't believe in
reincarnation because we believe that
your higher purpose isn't to come back
as a rat or a dog Jerome or something
yeah yeah I just can't get it because I
really I can sense and I know that
people are born for a destiny and their
destiny is eternal and I believe that
their value as a person isn't just a
pile of dust when you die in a coffin
and I don't believe it as a rat or a pig
or a dog or something either so for us
personally we don't but we do do as with
our clients many of them many of them
believe you know and many of our clients
we see do believe in past lives yeah but
they usually come to us because often
they're in a mess because they are
believed we've been talking a little bit
when it because we I have I have friends
who believe in that and I particularly
don't I don't want to make fun of them
or belittle them but I just don't butt
out one thing we did discuss I thought
was interesting that said that people
are having these so-called past life
encounters maybe they're tapping into
that their own DNA in their family
lineage and they're able not to see
their past lives but the lives of their
ancestors something that their
great-grandmother experienced that's
coming through the family line that
they're getting glimpses of that sounds
a little bit more feasible versus I was
a astrologer from lumeria who collected
crystals you know or a magician all
always these grandiose things use
things that people want to be in this
life but they aren't when they or they
can't they say well in a past life I was
a great ruler or you know something like
that it's interesting even to look at
the psychology behind it and also
researching you got past life
regressions but I believe I found in
something with through hypnotherapy
something called suggestive memories so
if somebody's leading you on this type
of experience and they're suggesting
that you were this and then you receive
it and I get messages from people who
believe that they were from lumeria and
there was a cat goddess on Venus and all
of these weird identities that's not
them in but they accepted as a persona
or another spirit is that dangerous too
for us to even entertain some of this
stuff because it can be obviously right
yeah uh yeah we definitely do say that
it's very dangerous because out there in
the in a lower realm millions and
millions of spirit guides and those
spirit guides are waking for a human
body to inhabit we believe and we've had
much experience with this of getting rid
of these spirit guides and they're quite
hard to get rid of and we believe that
they are waiting for a chance to channel
a human being to connect into a human
being we have seen when they can't do
that they will even go into animals but
they would prefer a human being and the
sad thing is that I think a lot of
people are searching for their identity
not and they don't you know their
identity and I think the past life thing
is a cry for Who am I I need
significance Who am I and Plus as you
said I think it's also a crime to be
connected to past generations which is
an awesome human trait actually I don't
think it's necessarily bad I think it's
actually an awesome thing to want to be
connected to your grandmother or to you
know
people in the family line I don't know
that the cat goddess or we get a lot of
Zeus we get Zeus all the time yeah Zeus
I don't know why they want to be Zeus
but we get that all the time yeah it's
it's interesting it opens up a lot of
doors but you definitely here's the
thing with me I always say be careful I
come from crazy a cult demon-possession
myself I come out of that and into the
light of Christ and then now I'm able to
kind of go back and relook at some of
those things especially from a biblical
point of view because there's a lot of
these types of ideas encounters with the
light beings in it literally being Jesus
not being some kind of deceptive new-age
name that's kind of possession which
that could be out there as well but a
lot of this this type of stuff is in the
Bible that's why I wanted to have you on
because the more studying that we're
doing the more examples you see of
people walking in their spiritual
giftings their abilities some would say
you know being able to hear the voice of
the Holy Spirit to be able to smell the
sweet aroma or fragrance and using our
senses to move in the spirit and we look
at Jesus and he was doing it the
disciples the prophets the seers and it
becomes more beautiful and so a lot of
what we see with the modern Western
Church is that they've kind of just
given it over to the new age all the
cool stuff they've just given it to them
like okay you take but I'm taking it
back it's ours man we get a lot of
clients that say they're like workers
that's a very common thing at some of
the big festivals here and our answer to
that is hey dude you've come to the
right place because Jesus is the
ultimate light worker like he came from
another planet he owns the planet so
like come and experience that because
this is the ultimate light worker yeah
and and there's a lot of people I think
their belief in that is part of their
spiritual journey and yeah we certainly
don't tell people the
they're wrong in their spiritual journey
because they're their values and their
beliefs are just as important as ours
and I think that's been a big mistake
immature has been to alienate people by
saying we've got the only right belief
system and you guys haven't so therefore
you're crazy or whatever so Christianity
but actually they probably think we're
crazy because yes we're operating in
word of knowledge which we are all the
time
we look like psychics and we look like
we're crazy so that it can equally be
said on both sides I think now I know
you you may have a problem with some of
the phrases and terminology from new-age
as far as accepting it as yourself but
do do people introduce you as a psychic
or call you a Christian psychic are you
cool with that or or do you say no no
more of a prophetess or C or something
like that
we never cool with really being labeled
as Christian psychics because we believe
that we are see it's just living out and
normal everyday life because of a
relationship with Jesus and that makes
us healers and seers but most people
that come to us their first face value
of the whole team is that we are up in
the psychic League where as powerful as
the other psychics in the building where
as powerful as I kept getting called a
high priestess and they'll say like what
got it to see you channelling because
it's pretty high and and we're
comfortable with that we don't care
about that yeah um who was a Joseph that
was even you know they were talking
about Joseph in the Bible and said hey
come meet this person who has the spirit
of all the gods dwelling in him
essentially right they had he was
grandiose when it came to you know
I I don't know if you wanna call it
Egyptian magic but I guess spirituality
at the same time you know and he was out
there with him yeah I think Joseph is
like our role model for the whole team
because he was a kid dream interpreter
and on our team we have three really key
dream interpreters and sometimes
interpreting one person's dream will
actually entirely change their life yeah
and that's anything to watch that and to
see that but um I like to think of our
whole team and myself as very trained
says that we're not just paddling around
unit we're actually proud to offer a
service that is of a very very high
standard and we maintain that standard
regularly - that's awesome you say that
trained because there's a scripture that
um always stands out to me and this is
the way that I've always interpreted it
once I had some experience in me the
spirit of the prophets are is subject
unto the prophets for me that means if I
was to go to a pastor or an evangelist
or an apostle and tell them the things
that I see in here yeah they're gonna
say okay we need to get you some help
we need to prep you we need to pray
these things off of you and it could
very well be that you're hearing but you
know you're sensitive to the spirit
realm as a gifting as a seer as a
prophet you know even kids I mean we
look at the Bible like a lot a lot of
people were actually very young when
they were moving in their different
abilities so you need to find someone
who's been through that you can't just
go to some random person and say hey
I've had a dream where this stuff
happened they'll take it and I mean
that's where the scripture talks about
throwing your pearls before swine as
well right you need to see somebody out
who is trained in the Bible there were a
school of prophets where they practice
they taught they you know they actually
knew what they were doing so that's
beautiful you say that you you actually
train people up in this
yeah we're very fussy about training
were also very fussy about their own
health spiritually we're very fussy
about the team they cannot be on the
team with any addictions so we're very
fussy about the people on the team about
their gifting and we protect that
fiercely because that gifting is very
powerful but that gifting can also be
very dangerous it definitely can and the
whole thing you see with that when the
scripture says is that the giftings and
callings are without repentance there's
people who are still operating in that
but they're living a life of debauchery
and sin and taking advantage of people
on both sides of the cross before the
cross and after the cross right and you
see that going on and there was a
ministry I'm not gonna say the name but
I knew somebody in particular who went
there with a they let a lot of prophets
come in this is somewhere in the south
and I knew a guy who was actually
smoking crack and and they would let him
come in and prophesy over people you
have to be protective over over this I
don't know this is nut I don't play with
this at all
this isn't nuts a hey let's try it let's
have fun it is fun right but it's very
serious at the same time and it takes a
life of you don't attend dedication as
well right yeah it's people's lives that
we're dealing with out each client that
comes to us we treat them incredibly
seriously because they're they're coming
to us in a vulnerable position they're
coming to us with a very serious life
question that they want answered and I
do believe that Christ when he was on
earth I believe that he valued people
and that was so sensitive towards their
heart so incredibly well that we want to
do that too
yeah there's a lot of we we have a lot
of psychics coming to us but for a word
as well and they are seers and it's very
interesting there was one account at one
festival when one of our team members
actually had an incredibly strong porn
addiction that we didn't know that and I
sent four psychics to him for a reading
in a row and all four refused to go to
him without ever knowing him before and
so that that highlighted to me the fact
that the spiritual realm is real and and
lower spirits spirit guides and familiar
spirits in that realm they actually see
and know a lot of stuff about people and
about Christians to that that I think by
and large Christians are very ignorant
and unaware of this that the spirit
realm is so real that they can actually
read stuff and see stuff about us too so
identity is the key because if you're
not walking out a true identity and
living out Christ in you it actually is
very dangerous
I believe yeah you definitely have to
know who you are it is dangerous as
there are spirits of intimidation that
like you said they know your
shortcomings they know about your past
and they can call it out and they play
off of your wicked you I'm saying your
weaknesses and you have to deal with
those those spirits you have to make
sure you're walking that fine line and
there's no hidden sin you really do you
know and that makes us better seers too
because then we're I Buitoni access a
pure heavenly source so we're on the
operating and speaking into people's
lives the I think the good thing about
Christ alignment is that we dialogue
with the person all the time so if the
person doesn't like us or they think you
know it's garbage what we're saying
they're like they can just get up and
walk away they don't have to stay
there's no there's no commitment there's
no pressure
there's no pushing there's no trying to
convert somebody that they're free to
use our service and then what
Kawai and say whatever they want about
that service mm-hmm that's beautiful
yeah so we I know I know we just talked
about your testimony a little bit but
what were some of the things that you
used to do or experience when you was on
the dark side it's pretty bad on the
dark side the hippie commune out commune
I was in
well the drugs in those days was
marijuana not not all the ones now and
the house would be constantly filled
with that smell they used to grow it
themselves so that the trips were pretty
wild and everyone would basically swap
partners every night so um though there
was a lot of a heavy darkness that came
over me as an artist because I do
believe art is a reflection of your soul
and the drawings and the images that I
was able to draw during that time when I
look back on them now are pretty wild
and pretty scary because they were so
dark and they were images from a realm
that I did not know that I was involved
in or in contact with but definitely I
was I was part of a realm that is very
dark and yeah the difference in changing
wrongs was so huge it took me months and
months months to get used to a different
to light and to love and to peace
because there was not love and peace in
our own yeah
it was it was very a drug filled a drug
induced a hippie world in the art world
then in the back in the sixties and
seventies and um a lot of things were
going on that shouldn't have gone on and
a lot of little a lot of little kids too
in families were subject to seeing
things that they should never have seen
which have probably affected them
maybe for the rest of their lives yeah
yeah when it comes to like spiritual
entities when you were on that side did
you ever experience anything
supernatural and and okay let's hear so
let's hear some of the stuff you've
dealt with on that side I think I was a
visionary even as a small child because
I do remember at age 4 having an
incredible encounter with I'll say God
in a backyard of a neighbor's house and
I still remember that encounter to this
day but at the same time even when I was
4 in our backyard I was aware of spirits
of the presence of spirits in our in my
own family home backyard and indeed my
mother used to set two places at the
dining table - for my two-spirit friends
so they were my constant companions they
were both male and they were both about
17 years old that are very real and I
was very very young and what that did is
that put a fear into me a fear that I
could never identify a fear that was
always lurking in the background and I
used to blame my family I used to look
for the solution in other things and I
could never quite identify what what it
is there was a malevolent presence that
I could not actually identify 2 years
and years later till I was on the other
side and I had to actually get a lot of
counseling - to go way back to find out
what was actually happening in in the
backyard of my home and there are many
clients that we see four days a week
that have the very same experience and
we actually now almost specialized in in
getting rid of sleep paralysis we find
that slight growl system is a very big
thing to do with spirits we've been
discussing out alike
with a few different guests what what do
you feel about the sleep paralysis thing
happening to people when they're young
almost people who are destined to do
great things for the kingdom yeah and
it's almost like let me scare them I
want to kill them I can't I can't but
let me just scare them and it's usually
those people who are you have a calling
upon their life to do great things and
it's like I'm trying to scare them away
from anything spiritual but it ends up
bringing them deeper into it really
because they hey something's happening
out there
would you agree with that does that kind
of happen I totally I completely agree I
really feel like most of these people
have this incredible call in their lives
or incredible seers and because they're
gifted so much in seeing they will see
darkness and light as well so the dark
side is drawn to a CR and I I do agree
I've we've seen that firsthand that many
many children are already born with a
great gifting in in Supernatural sing
into into the realm of heaven into the
realm of God but the the enemy or the
one that doesn't want them to move into
their destiny will do anything to
actually attract their attention or draw
them into a copy room or another realm
yeah now when I was into some of the
darker stuff right years ago and not
some of the darker stuff a lot of darker
stuff at least the spirits or like you
say the realm that I was in was a
lower-level realm and I've tried to
explain it like this we hear the word
vibration a lot I kind of like that I
kind of like that word because it's just
essentially the spirit of the essence
that you live at like you dwell upon
that level and I feel like when I was
tapping into the spirit realm years ago
I was dealing with demons and unclean
spirits and all types of negative
entities that wanted to get get me and I
ended up becoming possessed opening up
my mind
my heart to all of these entities
because I wanted an encounter
I got possessed that was in 1998 right
years ago I'll come out of that the Lord
delivered me I'm on this side now yeah
any time I meditate I go into my prayer
closet I receive visions and dreams from
the Lord I'm able to access these higher
realms no demons no I'm not dealing with
any of that and I feel like it's because
we may have heard this in a new age but
I think if we explained it from you know
a believers perspective it's the fact
that you you're not like you're not
entertaining those type of entities
because your your level of density your
vibration is so much higher up here with
the Angels and you're not lying cheating
robbing stealing backbiting when you do
those type of things you attract those
type of beings in your life say does
that make sense to you like when you tap
in do you like have to worry about
demons messing with you like in your own
personal space you know into the realm
of light it is pure light and it is
extreme light and yeah I agree with it
about the vibrations too because I mean
it actually says that the whole of
heaven is filled with our sound and
color and vibration and I really do
believe that um people have
underestimated Christ's spirit this very
of Christ they've underestimated kind of
how powerful he actually is and if you
have that spirit now living inside you
as you said you're possessed before by
negative spirits if you now transfer you
no longer have the negative but you
actually have the the reason power and
the full love of the whole of the Spirit
of Christ inside your own body
basically nothing can go wrong you
really got no excuse either for anything
going wrong because you've actually now
just um invited in light and and love
pure love and that's what your I can't
even comprehend it right that's what the
Bible thank you no no they cannot
darkness cannot stay with what it just
doesn't mix and some clients will even
say to us well we want Christ's spirit
we want him in our lives but we also
like our spirit guide you know we've had
that once they just want to just want a
new one to come in try it when I we we
just have to tell them that no and it's
not a sharing business with the spirit
guides they're actually very malevolent
and they're at - really cause harm in
your life so it's one or the other
is that all of them though do you think
that anything outside of Christ is a
demonic or some type of false spirit I
do what about it about the angels though
what about if someone says yep yep
angels angels many people see angels all
the time as you know and yeah and angels
are messengers sent to help us utterly
and sent with great messages for human
beings and yeah definitely where we are
aware as a team of the presence of
angels and many times people have sat
down for a reading and said to us that
they start shaking and we say to them
why are you shaking and they say there's
two huge white things standing right
behind you yeah so that's very real
that's happened many many times many
times and people had near-death
experiences um where they've said
they've seen a white thing and this is
definitely I'm not talking as a
Christian I'm talking as
just as a human being many many
thousands and millions of people I
believe actually had the presence of
angels because God's love is so great
he's not saying to people I'm only gonna
help you or I'm only gonna rescue if
you're a church-going Christian it's
just rubbish one God God's presence on
the earth in the trees in nature in
animals is there all around for
everybody to enjoy and see not just
Christians so yeah I had a thought come
to me earlier today and it was like just
looking at God I've just seen God in
everything now right everything every
single thing so I was thinking about you
know the whole fact of like a lot of
Christians or we used to or have or
sometimes still do put God in a box
right and so God is in the box and then
Eli hold on God it's not in the box
God is the box no God is the table that
the boxes God is he is the box but he's
also the table the box is sitting on yes
okay well he's also the house that the
tables in okay now he's also the ground
in the earth that the foundation at the
houses he's every is in all and through
all the Lord is one and it just said
it's so beautiful I had that thought
come to me today
meditating upon yeah I often can and I
like to get away and we like to go away
to nature just nature and actually we've
written a scientific paper on sea eagles
that are very quite rare in Australia
and we've done a paper on them and
during that time we had the rare
opportunity for eight years of being out
on a boat just with the Eagles out on
lakes where no people were at all and
you don't have to even believe in God
or even have had any experience
whatsoever with Christ to be able to
know and feel the love of God which is
in every plant in every tree in every
created bird you can feel it you can
sense it when no one else is around when
you're just alone just
alone with nature I believe that every
human being on the planet does have a
recognition inside their heart of really
who God is by just that yeah have you
ever experienced God through the breath
or experience the Holy Spirit through
the pneuma just breathing in and when
you breathe you can feel that love on on
the breath have you experienced the Lord
that way may personally I me a litany a
little bit but I have got 10 members
that have definitely experienced that
but for me personally I know what your
meaning because you can feel the breath
the breath of God in everything even in
the wind in the wind and the Sun I
believe that that his breath is just
everywhere that permeates every part of
our lives of nature everywhere and I do
believe people can breathe in the breath
of God yeah I do and okay I'm just
talking about just breathing but and you
can you could be conscious and aware of
the breath I believe in that but there's
some people who they get really far out
and they just like they just like toking
the ghost and just getting high off of
the breath and that's all they do
I'm not talking about that sense cuz
there's always a balance to all of this
stuff if the only thing that you we know
you for is this you're not well-rounded
you only have this one thing that you're
known for whatever the case is I think
there's a balance to it all that we can
get out of whack if we're if we're not
we're too far in one realm we're too far
in this room it's really a balance of
walking with the Bible calls the you
know the straight and narrow path is the
path of Christ it's not too far to the
left or to the right but it's a perfect
place in the middle which is the you
know the the scriptures even call it the
highway of holiness which is a good a
good way to put it as well yeah yeah
very easy to go onto our own imagination
and if
I think so right we yeah whoa look at
this wow you know exactly yeah yeah but
it's it is really important to keep a
relationship because after all it's only
the relationship with God that that
really can I believe inspire or empower
human being the relationship so if you
take out relationship you're just left
probably in a bit of a mess because
you're trying to figure out everything
with your brain I believe people of
mind/body/spirit not just my body yeah
so they might body spirit and we're
constantly educating people clients
especially I'm not to ignore the
spiritual side of their lives which is
so easy to do especially in a modern
city in a big city you're working it's
very easy to just shut out the whole
spiritual side of your life right down
and you you'll suffer eventually for
that definitely there are some comments
here even in the chat dave-o says the
Creator is inside you the the you know
the it says in the New Testament that
this whole mystery of life essentially
right the whole Old Testament just
everything they were looking forward to
is like yeah Christ in you the hope of
glory to understand that our body is the
temple of God and he doesn't dwell in
temples made with hands but he dwells
within your body and comes to abide in
you but when somebody finds that out it
takes the power away from any outside
source whether it be religion dog my
doctrine falsehood or whatever and just
gives the glory to God because he wants
to dwell within each and every one of us
totally and that's the Forgotten thing I
think that you know unfortunately
religion in the church in past history
this has not portrayed that God but I
really believe that we're coming back to
it into a pewter
pure of understanding of who really God
is that he actually isn't he does live
he loves every human being with an
adorable love like weird we're nearly in
tears with our clients when they start
going into the encounter because they
can't invent that they can't imagine it
or all of these is pure love coming from
God reaching into their very heart and
it's something that you can't even put
words to but the love every human being
is a divine creation is an image of God
is a absolutely superb
creation made in love destined for
relationship but unfortunately people
have been sidetracked and sideswiped out
of the relationship bit as soon as they
can get back into relationship they'll
see their whole life change and their
whole life will go back on track back
they'll get answers they'll get purpose
they'll get everything everything will
start to fall into place yeah I couldn't
I couldn't do Christianity without
without the Spirit of Christ you know
I've been there and and you can get
there you go through the motions you get
good you know what you're supposed to do
but you know your heart's not there and
that relationships there and it becomes
one of the most darkest things ever to
be involved in religion without the
Spirit of Christ moving through you and
say hold on he's not here at all I gotta
get out of this I gotta check myself and
see where did I leave a man I left him
at the door I left him here I left him
six months ago you know you still he
still loves you you still connected but
yeah you know it's it's that
relationship and people need to look at
it as far as the fact that just like a
relationship with a friend or a lover
it's yeah you have to spend time God's
not scary it's scary but we've had so
many supernatural experiences that just
cannot be explained and that is what a
lot of
seers are searching for in all these
other modalities like they're searching
for a very real supernatural experience
but in in our experience in the team for
nine years God is more than happy to
rock up in people's world with a
supernatural experience in fact he just
can't wait to do it and he will give it
to them he will go to where they are he
doesn't get you to find you no rules and
religion he's actually dying to blow up
in your world with the most incredible
supernatural experiences and we've had
and seen a real lot of those and can I
share one for myself yeah definitely
my son Samuel he started dying when he
was four years old he got a thing called
necrotizing
interrogates which is like like cancer
of the bowel and his Bell started coming
outside of his body like it
disintegrated and came out of his body
and we hadn't named him yet and they the
doctors told us you'd better name him
because he's probably going to die this
is at four years old four days old so
chordate not for his old and so we named
him Samuel which means one who he is
gone and the we got a priest at the time
came in and you know baptized him for
death but he whispered in my ear he said
I'm actually baptizing him for life for
healing a really incredible thing
happened he was taken away from us by
air ambulance taken to a specialist
Children's Hospital in Melbourne and um
for two weeks solid my husband and I
said we don't accept this death we're
not going to allow it we're not going to
have this death so for two weeks solid
we didn't speak in any English we spoke
in the heavenly language
job angels that comes straight from
heaven for two weeks straight no matter
where we were we didn't speak in English
we just spoke in that language after two
weeks nearly to the day we got a call
from the hospital they said we just
don't know what happened we've just
taken an x-ray but your son's whole
intestine has grown back into his body
yeah we trying to explain it but it's
there you better come and get him
because he's so healthy and he's
screaming he wants milk and and that was
to us that was an amazing thing is
showing the power of the supernatural
room if you're tapped into the correct
role if you're tapped in
anything can happen that is amazing and
that is wonderful
anything can happen and some people have
even seen dead people raised yeah we've
seen a lot of healings that's awesome
just the power of speaking in tongues I
actually had a guy on he was a he was a
youth leader and a worship leader as
well but he started having a no and
awakening reading other materials asking
questions and they had no more use for
him at the church so he's trying to find
his way in but he came on the show a
couple weeks ago and Tom Tom from
Florida is what we call him and he told
a very similar story of a his daughter
and I'm she was like eight years old
maybe if not younger I probably often
rage but she read a book and in the book
the little girl had appendicitis in the
book and and there was a weird
transference of some type of spirit of
fear because after she read that book
she thought that her appendix was gonna
explode and he's like oh that's just a
book don't worry about it a week later
they rushed her to the hospital from
school because she's having crazy
stomach issues her appendix burst it and
in it was it was looking really bad and
so they started fasting and praying
and I believe in for a miracle and they
wouldn't you know believe the report of
the doctor and they seen a creative
miracle as well with it with his
daughter and so that was a testimony
that was on here a couple weeks ago
that's very similar it's awesome man
well yeah yeah yeah you also had a I
don't know if it's a divine encounter or
a dream you had a dream about ministry
maybe the ministry that you would be
doing later in life as it coming to
fruition or what what was the event
where that took place yeah well can the
night we never intended really to become
psychics you might say we didn't intend
to be at festivals we didn't even though
we were hippies like I said from the 60s
and 70s we definitely both were hippies
but um we didn't intend or form this
ministry in fact either dream in one
night and in the dream I I was chasing
my mother's red purse which was lost on
a bus and it went down a windy road to a
town and I could see the town very very
clearly in the dream I retrieved the
person in the morning I looked up on
Google what was the town and the name
the spirit told me in the dream the name
of the town was port-au-prince and I had
no knowledge of that town whatsoever I
looked it up on Google and it was
exactly as I saw it in the dream which
is the capital of Haiti and the Spirit
of God actually said to me almost in an
audible voice he said I'm about to take
you and Ken into the very heart of
witchcraft into the capital of
witchcraft and my mother's red purse
symbolized a generational calling um a
purse is your heart and red is power and
anointing and so he was showing me that
by default we actually never planned
this to go this way but by default he
had a calling on both
and I to go into darkness into the very
heart of darkness so it meant that we
have no fear at all it also meant that
we have incredible love for people
trapped in it and it also meant that
there's no judgment on them there's no
judgment put on them in that place - Wow
yeah that's beautiful and that all comes
through dreams and the interpretation of
dreams right because if you didn't know
it you would be kind of shooting in the
dark and not having anything and there's
example after example after example in
the Bible where God openeth our ears
while we sleep and he speaks to us in
the wee hours of the morning and we have
to seek it out in that's the whole
process - the whole seeking out process
it's the fact that you have to just kind
of prove that you want it like I'll show
it to you but I'm just not gonna give it
to you show me that you want it show me
that you're gonna get to the bottom of
it and I'll work with you because a lot
of times in the prophetic like people
think that if God speaks to you he'll
say hey Jenny tell that person I'll I
know who their daughter is sometimes it
works like that but most of the time
it's like I see a young girl wearing red
or you know the name so-and-so even with
the dreams we have a we have a piece of
it and we have to like play detective
okay God what this mean what does this
mean and then we see a billboard or we
see a person wearing that shirt you know
and and it just it clicks and it's like
okay that's God I'm following God
I'm not following anything else and so
it's a whole there's a song and dance to
it all right yeah it's it's amazing like
dreams dreams are just incredible and
transforming and then again I think
proves to people because we have a free
online dream interpretation service and
so we're getting emailed dreams from
literally from around the world quite
regularly
but again we don't let anyone on the
team interpreter dream until they are
trained because we don't believe in
untrained dream interpreters but thus
saying that it's just incredible that
the the concept that the God of the
universe or whoever someone else might
call him that
that God loves people so much to bother
to speak to 50 million people every
night in a different dream with a
different scenario different colors
different symbols if it blows your mind
it's like it's almost unbelievable yeah
but it's real but it's almost
unbelievable
I had a psychologist who deals with
dream interpretation come on and I
thought I knew about dreams but we were
breaking down symbolism in and I got God
is creative like he'll he uses what you
know you know whether it's a fear we're
scared of different things we have
different fears so if we're addressing
the spirit of fear it may show up as a
parent with a belt in my dream
and your dream could be falling off of a
bicycle repeatedly over and over there's
just different ways and so God just uses
everything in our universe in our mind
to kind of speak to us and that's what's
really cool it's so cool that's what all
of mankind or like you're talking about
nature and like writing his laws upon
our hearts and we know when we do
something wrong we don't have to be told
like hey you did something wrong like we
know through just because of nature and
our hearts and our Anatomy the way we're
created where we're fearfully and
wonderfully made especially we have to
quote that when it comes to spiritual
giftings and ability is that it is no
accident and things like that you know
let me ask you this I get some people
when it comes to opening the third eye
which I don't even I don't believe in
that like it's a thing that you do to
open it up I think you can I think you
can you get better at sensing you know
your spiritual the the realm of the
Spirit and use
that the third eye pineal gland if
that's how we interpret all the way God
built us to see in the spirit I can go
with that yeah some people want to turn
it off because they maybe do techniques
or try things and it becomes more than
they can chew and they want to turn it
off do you get people like that and do
you encourage them just to turn it off
or do you say hey you might be a seer
there's a right way in a wrong way to do
this how would you move forward with
somebody like that for sure we would say
to them um you definitely are a CR and
usually they are very disturbed by what
they're seeing and so what this thing is
bothering them but actually it's it's
only really because they are a CR
destined to see really great things in
in God that they're able to see darkness
and other things as well
the third eye yeah we don't quit we
don't question that in a client because
if that's if that's their beliefs that
they believe that for me personally I
tend to think your spirit is in the
stomach region that's just at what I
feel but um it's interesting whenever I
do do healing for people or cleansing
from spirits I do always put my hand
right there on their forehead and that
seems to have the most effect and I do
believe it's like a portal into the
brain into directly into the brain there
and I think the third I think is that
they've tapped on to a little bit of
truth there but they've called it the
third eye but I do think I do think
there's a bit of truth that they've
actually tapped into because we've seen
tremendous healings where just by very
gently tapping that area on the face and
it's very interesting to find that out
what about the base of the skull oh yeah
when you put your hand there I've
listened to like new-age document
cult stuff and they they give some some
insight on it and then I'll do it in
prayer and they say that a lot of
spirits will try to enter people through
there as well absolutely yet totally
we've seen spirits into there at the
back of the head at the base of the
spine totally yep that's another I guess
you'd say portal
yeah entryway the messiness too so there
is some some other stuff out there where
they'll say your right hand pushes more
and your left hand pulls just with the
polarities and everything maybe in this
maybe this is in the true in the
person's mind and if they believe it
that it becomes true to them but is
there any truth have you seen with like
I use this hand to speak blessings to
release the things of the Spirit and
this hand would be more used to pull
those negative entities often out of a
person is the oil can be done however
you want or do you do something with
that it's interesting because I'm at a
dream interpreter John Paul Jackson
who's now passed into heaven he he
always firmly says that the right hand
is your destiny and that you're reaching
out into your destiny and your left hand
is your generational family side so your
left hand your right hand in that sense
is more predominant in the that's the
hand the visionary hand that reaches in
to destiny and we've found that in dream
interpretation and indeed even in tattoo
interpretation to be very very accurate
Wow
yeah yeah that's interesting yeah talk a
little bit about the destiny cards
because that's something that I've heard
I first found out about you guys with
some stuff on the internet with the
Christian ministry that uses tarot cards
or some weird campaign that someone did
yeah I was led to maybe it was after I
found out about you guys and I did I
haven't
you know done much research and so most
of the research I'm hearing is really
from you from our conversations over the
last day and so I've started using some
that you know the turret of the most
high I've found out got me some
so-called Christian tarot cards and I've
used them through you know the word of
wisdom and in prayer asking what what
what to go into next as far as prayer
and they have some different things on
them and I found them to be really
interesting just getting with the Lord
and using them on on a prayer line we
was taking phone calls and somebody
would call in and say so-and-so is
happening I lost my lover what happened
he's doing this and I would pull the
card that would say betrayal and the
Lord would say just begin to minister to
that area and speak it out or another
one would be finances or whatever and it
was weird because every caller that we
had the card it was like the Lord was
showing me it was like right on every
time and I'm like and people say okay
you're reliant upon a card like that or
you don't need to be reliant on anything
and I'm like no there are tools if
you're able to see in the spirit we have
yes we have thousands of tools the Lord
has given us and their sexual examples
when it comes to something similar to
the cards for me anyway
what what are the Destiny cards because
I know they're a little bit different
than what we would say tarot cards or
even the tenets of the Most High it's
something specifically different right
yeah well we make all our own cards so
we're in control of what what is on them
they they are not they're definitely not
tow in that they contain no occultic
symbols on them at all and we don't need
the cards at all because we're operating
fully in word of knowledge where we're
able to give word of knowledge on the
phone or whatever without the cards it
just a tool like use if you don't need
them why use and Jenny that I have ticks
back on fights because it what's wrong
with you guys you're so hung up
about a piece of paper yeah and they
they go up from the Christian side it's
incredibly annoying incredibly annoying
and the new ages have got it way more
together than we do on that score
because from the Christian side they
they will always say well it's not in
the Bible
but actually neither is Facebook now
there are cars neither the Internet
neither there's a whole lot of stuff
that we use today as tools I can't even
get with that argument anymore where's
it at in the Bible worse Facebook
where's your vehicle a gas budget change
as for predicting the future I don't
believe that um any cards really predict
the future but I would say this I would
say that God God is so out to have
relationship with mankind that he will
use a donkey if he wants to yeah he even
actually Jesus that actually said if you
don't praise me the very stones will cry
out oh yeah he doesn't need us and he
doesn't need of our cards he doesn't
need he is dying to reach humanity into
a loving relationship with them and if
the stones cry out so be it because the
people are gonna get a shock when that
happens because I think a lot of the
church hasn't woken up to the fact that
a lot of the New Age has much truth in
it and they have sought truth with a
diligence with a persistence with a
professionalism but a lot of the church
isn't and I think that to give the New
Age credit for that they've tapped into
a lot of some truths in this too and as
you said you know God God is dying to
speak to people and he'll do it through
anything you know who doesn't need a car
he doesn't need anything you he'll use
anything the most bizarre things you'll
use
anything anything that you can think of
you he will use that but we love our
cards and we have no intention of
stopping using them yeah despite how
disturbing they have been to certain
sectors around the world our cards are
painted by our amazing prophetic seer
artists and the images on our cards are
absolutely incredible and I've had grown
men sitting there in absolute foiling
their eyes out just over the images on
the cards because they are profound
because the person that painted the
cards the artists that paint them are
CIS and so the cards themselves the
images carry a very strong anointing for
healing and for other things too so we
have no intention of stopping the cards
yeah it's awesome people you know and I
guess it's I guess it's only right so
people want to sell care what kind of
biblical examples do you have I have
some and I know you have some as well um
they I don't know that the disciples had
cards per se but they do have they did
have a bag of sticks or bones or
whatever you want to call it that they
they called the casting of lots and
there's many examples throughout the
Bible do I and I know we talked about
this you you're not really keen on the
word divination but I think that the
like the way it was used by Joseph and
by Laban and these people they used it
in a beautiful manner and several places
Joseph said do you know it's like he
said pretty much why are you lying to me
do you not know that a man like me can
find out things by using divination like
and then Laban says that every lot is of
the Lord that the Lord speaks through
the lot and this the casting of lot it's
the luck of the draw whoever gets the
shortest straw that type of
life-changing experience on the luck of
the draw was because God has his way
through it because we believe it so so
much so that in the New Testament you
no the Apostles did it or the disciples
did it to find out who the thirteenth
disciple would be a seems very important
because that was a very very important
decision for them at that time and just
as our words of knowledge are very very
important you you've got a client in
front of you and it's going to change
their life and it's very very important
to be accurate and it's interesting the
disciples who heard God very well and
who were seers and could hear the voice
of Christ very easily they also did not
want to make a mistake about that very
important decision
yep because they probably have bias and
opinions as well right they said well I
like say yes I like to saw the guy
better I've known him for years I feel
more comfortable with him and they say
well I want this guy to be it's all over
we just let the Lord figure it out okay
God who is a guy yeah and he speaks to
it that's what he does and this is it's
it's a it's a very you know similar way
that he speaks through cards or whatever
if you have the faith if you don't have
the faith you can't speak to anything
because without faith it's impossible to
please God and it takes faith to access
these realms or whatever but when you
step out in faith and you begin to see
manifestation you begin to see people
weeping and in tears and getting healed
then you say hold on your religion and
your theology
hold on something this is changing lives
and if in you can find it in the
scripture and a lot of people we talk
about the Calvinists and the reformed
theology people like they want to they
always put all this weight upon the
church fathers as far as being like John
Calvin and Wesley and Lally these all
patriarchs of Western evangelicalism
like they are the patriarchs alona I
don't care about those guys let's go
back a little bit further and see what
the disciples in Christ did hold on they
were healing people they were going into
trances they were traveling to heaven in
visions so real they
didn't know if they took their body with
them or not I want that you can keep all
of this here said he said she said stuff
Peter Peter was Phillips sorry Philip
was translated into a different location
now there that is fully supernatural and
then you look at the account of Peters
shadow healed a whole town's whole
town's just the actual shadow not not
Peter touching them but his shadow was
able to heal crippled people and people
with diseases or possessed by spirits
and that's powerful that you're talking
about very powerful supernatural stuff
do you know who Damon Thompson is the
minister was at the ramp with Karen
Wheaton and you mentioned Mattie
Montgomery Mattie Montgomery moved to
Alabama to be discipled under Damon
Thompson I was just listening in passing
one day I used to listen to a lot of
Damon Thompson and he was at a big
revival and he just said this in pass in
passing he said he started talking about
Peter in the India and the his shadow
healing people and in passing he said
that's his aura but we can't even talk
about that cuz y'all gave it to the new
age he said okay moving on before y'all
run me out of here I'll say oh wow Damon
Thompson knows a little bit when it
comes to that stuff too I thought that
was really neat yeah we we fully believe
this because we're operating in at four
days a week and we can prove it we even
have a guy came up to us that the
mind-body-spirit festival and he said
his specialty in the new age is
measuring energy and he goes he stood
outside our booth first ever so long and
then we asked him like what he was doing
and he said your your booth has a three
meter energy radius of white light all
around it like you could actually tell
where it ended and that's amazing
because the Peters shadow thing is huge
for us and huge on the team the team are
being trained to walk in there
you know four days a week because I'm
we're seeing that we barely have to
touch someone now for them to be healed
yeah and I mean when Jesus said even a
word the person was healed who lived far
far away yeah so the power the the
energy in the spoken word I think we
haven't even begun to tap into I think
the realm of supernatural healing we
haven't even touched the surface of it
and I think new ages genuinely are
genuinely seeking that and wanting to
know what is that what am I missing what
is this power and yeah we're seeing that
Peters shadow at work more and more and
in fact this year we've seen more legs
go out more than we ever have before
many many legs are growing out even up
to two inches and when they do the
person stands up from their back
condition is just gone it's just healed
totally yeah yeah that's beautiful
there's a lot of people with videos of
that and I got a guy the other day you
know for me that's old like I've seen
that years ago yeah yeah it's not old
for that person who had happened to
right it's the means of the world to
them and it should but I had a guy
hitting up as a hey man you know my
pastor pray for somebody in their leg
grew out I've never seen such a thing I
was like yeah God does that all the time
this beautiful man let me I got a couple
more questions I want to ask you when it
comes to trance right the Bible uses
that word in the King James and some
other versions it says that I was in a
trance on the Lord's Day I was caught up
in a trance here I was caught up in a
trance there the angel of the Lord spoke
to me in a trance
I feel like Western Christians believed
that they were just walking up to in the
next city or walking to the grocery or
whatever and the Lord just pulled them
into a trance that's what they believe I
tended to see true Christianity as a
spiritual practice that comes from the
east
where this was something that they would
practice they would sit in silence like
the Bible says and know that He is God
meditate upon his works and who he is
and close your eyes and yes what happens
even if musics playing you go into a
trance do you think it was like this
one-time thing of them just going about
their way and they just got sucked into
a trance or or trance state and prayer
and meditation was something that the
disciples practiced no I totally agree
with you I believe that it was a 24/7
lifestyle and I believe that's what
we're called to now to be 24/7 in that
state where you can receive a transfer
God or a vision from God 24/7 so that
there's no separation between going to
the supermarket and receiving a visual
change of their eyes we live there we
don't move out of that place no we don't
we don't we stay there 24/7 so talking
to God too is is like we don't even have
to set aside a particular time no that's
a good practice yeah yeah - but if
you're 24/7 talking to God it - 24/7
hearing what he's saying and being in
communion with him then anything's
possible there's there's no limits and I
do I agree with you totally that the the
Western Church has moved right away from
the understanding of how it actually
happened in the Bible of what I mean
you've got the case of angels - they
thought Peter knocking on the door that
was his angel that means they were
actually fully accustomed in those days
to seeing angels and for the presence of
angels to be around and I think we've
lost it we've lost that now but I
hopefully we're getting yeah we're
reclaiming that back I think we are and
I think you doing this are you doing
this interview and just being open
there's power in authenticity and not
hiding anything so hey this is who we
are this is what we do it work from
it could work for you too because
there's people who are hungry they're
not getting the answers that they're
looking for in religion they have to
move into a relationship and so you know
there's rules and dogmas and all kinds
of weird demonic stuff that is
infiltrator religion let's just be
honest and so it's hard to just be the
person God called you to be to be
interested to explore and and be
yourself you have it's so so it's hard
to come out of that though right it's
very hard to come out especially maybe
if you're brought up not to or you had
experiences as a child in it to come out
of religion and I mean religion just
kills it chills with the letter of the
law no it kills by defining people which
is not what I don't believe that's God's
heart at all I believe his heart is his
imaginative creator and that people
actually he loves their freedom he
celebrates their joy he celebrates their
happiness and all the creative things
that they want to do and we do have to
reclaim that in the church and it's hard
it's made it very hard for us because
for us talking to new ages all the time
we can fully understand why they don't
want anything to do it's probably the
same reasons you don't right I mean come
on right
we don't know we don't we've experienced
freedom - yeah the whole thing without
me I'm just reminded of the scripture of
just the gospel in general that we are
given the the Ministry of reconciliation
for being able to forgive people of
their sins not that God will forgive you
or he might forgive you if you repeat
this prayer but know you're already
forgiven and just step into that
understand who you are they has a
there's great love for you he's not
going to do these things he's already
done it and you're really just declaring
it your people puts us in a place now
where we get to represent Christ
or represent him because you've seen a
cheap alternative or cheap knockoff that
had all these hidden agendas and biases
and stuff and people are precious man
and God you know yeah he loves everybody
and I'm not gonna stand for your only
representation of Christ was Fred Phelps
in a Westboro Baptist Church that God
hates them that's your and so you made a
decision about Christ based off of that
he's not holding God's not holding it
he's not holding you to that
that's not God I mean at one festival in
New South Wales we it's a hippie
festival and dress is optional so if
it's hot and half of them are naked and
there's about 10,000 people in there and
we get queues of 200 people lining up
for a destiny reading a lot of them are
naked and they are hungry man they're
hungry and you know what those hippies
they can really tell what is a genuine
experience with the love of God they can
tell that very easily and when they sit
down and have a destiny reading they can
feel whether it's real or not because
they're not into fake and they're not
into it and then go into it
stuff like that but we've we love that
festival possibly the most of all the
festivals because it's free and people
are free there and they can do what they
want to there without restriction yeah
and the beautiful thing is you don't go
there trying to convert anybody that's a
big key thing I found so much healing
when I stopped that when I stopped
trying to convert someone it took all
the all the work off of me
and put it on God oh I don't have to
convince them I don't have to trick them
I don't have to trick them to follow God
you know I just you know let them see
Christ so you just go they're operating
in the in the spiritual gifts and
abilities operating out of love and see
transform you know like I know you have
an agenda and you know I'm saying your
agenda is just to show up and love
people which it should be all of our
agendas no matter where we go and like
people have apologized it should be I
mean every god they may think thing
about God is that he's given all human
beings free choice and free will and if
God has given people the freewill to
either choose him or not then we should
also operating in that as well
we can't force or it's wrong to try and
force people to choose God because they
must come to him in their own heart in
their own way in their own time that's
how he honors them and so we must honor
them with the same way that he honors
and he he gives humans free choice and
choices it is part of the human DNA and
I just believe that yeah a lot of damage
has been done by probably well many
Christians that have abuse that honor
the honoring of of the free will yeah I
think that um you know we find out that
there's a lot of insecurities when it
comes to the afterlife when it comes to
faith which sect of Christianity do I
believe in am i right and so if we share
our truth with someone or convince them
or trick them I was even happy with
tricking someone just hate man say this
prayer you know just getting them to do
that and there's just just weird notion
that it makes us feel more like
validated in our truth if we get more
people that believe us
it can't be wrong see all of these
people believe me you don't see and this
is weird
it's selfish very much yes a selfish
identity issue and um yeah people from
me that even new ages have got a right
really to question a selfish motive
that's coming from that hey Derek I I
did not charge up my phone properly
right because it's about
go dead on us I think okay well if we
wouldn't go ahead and end it here I did
have some more questions I'd love to
have you on again do you want me to
going will I exit and going chat get
this charger um
sure we I mean we have we have a few
more minutes with it will it it would
only take take a second I can continue
this okay you go ahead I'll just I'll
just keep talking you can go do that
that's fine I'll ask you these last few
questions these last few minutes so sure
thing but yeah it's I mean it's so
beautiful just to see the work that God
is doing in everybody's heart and I
wanted to ask you about speak the whole
speaking in tongues thing I found out
there's levels to that like there's this
prayer language that we can access like
this we do it it's our second nature but
sometimes when you travail in prayer a
lot of times through deliverance when
there's evil spirits or unclean spirits
on someone and you put your hand on them
uh it's hard for me to explain but
another voice comes out it's stronger it
sounds it's for mine it sounds like an
old Native American man it's very stern
every time it comes forth something
leaves out of that person breakthrough
happens they hit these Spears we're all
trembling it's really interesting it's a
it's a new level of just verses to my
regular praying in tongues have you is
there deeper levels of you know of
travailing of authority that you've
experienced as well yes we definitely
have we definitely haven't we've heard
of her Ken's my husband's tongue change
greatly the language changing to a
completely different language at that
hippie festival actually one of our team
members was speaking in tongues over a
client and the client was from Israel
and they said did you know that you're
speaking perfect Hebrew and they they
don't know Hebrew at all but the amazing
thing was they translated it and it was
so awesome because the word
so I was saying we're actually almost
like God was speaking back into the
person yeah about their identity it was
incredible yeah yeah that's what I
messaged you earlier you know it took me
even to another level of just starting
to write down some of those syllables
that I'm saying over and over like is it
just gibberish people some people
believe it's just the brain running it's
gibberish I'm like let me just see
because there's some phrases that I'm
saying over and over let me try to write
them down let me get on google translate
look it up his beautiful messages coming
through and it's like oh my goodness
ain't like I'm talking about even like
names of angels that mean beautiful
things I am the one who is for Humanity
my heart for Humanity if you want to
like there are some really interesting
messages that are coming through and it
just Oh both my mind I've never been
talked with in five weeks we've been
given the amazing opportunity the huge
New Age vessel Australia's biggest New
Age festival where we're paying a lot of
money to go in as as a stand in that
festival we've been asked to come up on
the stage and sing in the angelic
languages for one hour I've seen that
video
this one is one hour non-stop so one
hour non-stop can be quite challenging
really but we're going to release
healing and freedom and deliverance over
everyone and last time it was really
incredible with the other one because we
have many people sitting in that
audience who can't connect with this
fear of their dead loved one and some
had suicided so it was it was very
powerful and we were able to connect
with the audience at the end of that
singing time yeah and the organizers
called at the scene in tongues of angels
I think they weren't sure what what it
was actually yeah I mean I mean why not
I mean I've
I've had people reach out to me who have
books called light language and the
language of angels and they want to know
hold on I got some truth on that I got I
got some input on this light language
and how how to access it and what
happens in changing the vibration of a
room of a city of a situation you know
so man it gets pretty deep and it's
interesting talking about the dead again
I wanted to ask you because there's kind
of like a resurgence in this thing of
the masters who teach and I know you
said you kind of felt weird about the
term ascended masters or having other
you know maybe mortals or whatever the
case is but there's like a resurgence of
people who are having encounters claimed
to be Helen encounters with Moses Elijah
Enoch appearing to them teaching them
sharing can you would you be able to
talk with your audience just why I guess
yeah sure thing go ahead and do that all
right so yeah that's a UH that's
something that we've been exploring for
awhile and it's been something near and
dear to my heart as far as just reading
the scriptures on my own which I've
talked about on several occasions of
seeing Jesus step out and do that as
well right
see Jesus go to the Mount of
Transfiguration he goes up there he
meets with Moses and Elijah and as he's
meeting with them hold on I would say as
he's meeting with him he brings his
decide he brings two disciples up with
him it might be three I had to go back
and read it but he brings them up there
and they get to kind of see what's going
on behind the scenes Jesus is always
beckoning them to come and pray with
them I come you know stay up a little
bit longer I got some things I want to
show you and they're always falling
asleep and stuff when he prays he either
goes into a cave or he goes on top of a
mountain and then we kind of get to see
the first time they bring a
pretty much like bring the camera in you
get to really see what happens when
Jesus goes to be alone with his father
and at this time it was at the top of a
mountain the Mount of Transfiguration as
its called Moses and Elijah shows up I'm
under the impression that that could
have been happening every time he went
into the secret place with his father
yeah there's nothing that says it didn't
that's the first time we got to see what
was happening right I agree I think that
he walked in that probably 24/7 yep
I do that yeah so um it's interesting
there because we also have people and
this is the eastern thought that your
master the one who you yogi who taught
you when they pass you can commune with
them obviously Jesus communicates with
us
Jesus's elders communicated with him
from from the beyond and then we have
some church people now saying that their
meeting with Bob Jones noted prophets
who existed in our lifetime saying that
the Lord led them to a hotel room to
fast and pray the the apparition or
spirit of Bob Jones appeared and said
something to them and had a conversation
with them we are we have the whole thing
with this is that we have to be careful
in everything so all the people who are
always saying be careful be careful yes
but we cannot stifle exploration of the
spirit so there should be some type of
way to approach this to definitely judge
it by the scriptures but what would you
say even to the people who because you
know we see Jesus doing it but do you
think that other people are having it
with Moses Elijah the Saints of old and
then even their predecessors of like
people who existed in our lifetime would
how do you feel about that from the
scripture standpoint I would say that
anything that detracts from Jesus isn't
good I would say anything even any
ascended master appearing or Elijah
appearing or an angel appearing anything
that actually detracts your attention
away from Jesus as the source as the
Center can be can easily full become a
doctrine can easily become a theology
can easily become very distracting and I
do believe that as spirit lower spirits
are always watching what we do and
hearing what we do and watching this I
do believe some of these things are open
portals where spirits can attach
themselves to that person's
private experience and I think that's a
good word private because many of these
experiences that people are having
they're having in private so there's no
there's no collective voice or there's
no person to monitor that except the
person in private that's having that one
experience and yeah you're you're
absolutely right there are many books
now written about people seeing Elijah
and I didn't you know about oh it's a
big one now everybody's seeing him he's
popping up everywhere they're showing up
they're not done yeah I don't know it's
an interesting thought and I can yeah I
don't either but I can't rule it out
just because I do see some some things
in the scripture that that kind of
leaned today I really understand
Christianity as not a spiritual practice
from the east but the spiritual practice
from the east and I think that a lot of
those things we see in movies or see and
Hinduism or Buddhism they were taken
from Christianity right and then so the
churches are just you know just kind of
giving it up or whatever the case is so
it's worth exploration but but doing it
in the right way and I think at the end
of the day to really say if it's of God
or not I don't care what it is I don't
care if you're seeing angel feathers and
diamonds and gold teeth gold dust that's
beautiful I don't care I don't care
about your doctrine your evangelism I
don't care I care about the fruit of it
Jesus Jesus told me he told us to judge
by the fruit
what happens when these encounters
happen like you said do they take your
eyes off of Jesus do they put your eyes
on something else on yourself on how
powerful you are whatever the case is
and so you always have to judge the
message it cuz that's the fruit that's
the only thing thank you judge the fruit
doesn't lie people lie don't lie and I
mean people people afraid to have any
kind of mystical supernatural experience
when they're on their own and that's
wonderful and to them that experience
might be very real and it's just as real
in the New Age to the individual person
that's having that experience but it is
definitely the fruit that's coming out
of it yeah
and does it I always say okay did the
early disciples that walked in such
power like Peters shadow did they have
that did they need it did they need that
and I always I come back to the answer
is none no they actually didn't need
that because they walked in Justin in a
pure relationship with Christ the master
and like I feel that adding things on to
that even though they're amazing and
mystical and I agree with you I wouldn't
say to someone what you just saw isn't
real or what what you just get that that
would be harsh because they're sick they
believe they're seeing it but to add on
to to the perfect truth or the perfect
love that you already have to add
something else on to me doubts puts a
question of their identity may be in
doubt where they're seeking maybe maybe
not to have an added experience like the
Elijah the Elijah thing I know about
that one the very well and well that's
see that's the thing with a lot of the
the criticism from the church realm with
us who maybe more
into the spiritual things or whatever
they'll say that you're not supposed to
seek those things and so we're talking
about the trans even the trans thing
they say that okay yeah that happened
but they didn't seek it like but I
believe you have it's it's it's this
weird thing about like you're not
supposed to seek encounter you're not
supposed to seek this or whatever and I
think it's a it's a weird to cop out but
that's where they draw the line as
seeking it Angeles Angels and counters
do happen but you're not supposed to
seek after them what word is that where
do we I mean what do we say to that yeah
I agree with you I think God is
supernatural and and so he would want us
to experience
I mean after we're dead if we believe in
him and after he dead but gonna have the
most massive non-stop supernatural
experience all out how are we gonna cope
with that we're not having any
supernatural experiences here on earth
how we gonna cope with an eternal one
that's gonna blow your mind like so I do
I believe that I agree view I just think
that people should be able to be free to
seek out to seek experiences in God or
to be open that's good I like the fact
that you said in God that's the clause
for me it always is in a box in a box
and you said we've just scratched the
surface to a lot of these things right
yeah but moving further from it on that
surface is in God people come to me they
want an encounter they want an
experience yeah experience it with God
don't ask me like I can help you and
just show you and tell you what I do and
bring you in that realm what you have to
have that relationship right with God
and whatever he allows you to look if
John Paul Jones shows up if God did it
and you went through that all supreme
all-knowing I have I can't do nothing
about that and
and I can't say nothing on it so
everything is in and out of that no fear
perfect love casts out all fear
to experience whatever realms with
whatever Devils may come whatever angels
whatever people serpents snakes whatever
we have to deal with if it's through God
he sent this here he's gonna protect
this and he's gonna allow us to
experience it him as a creator he's like
you know what you like you look at your
realm he's like look I got some up in
this yeah and when I create a song or
anything or painting a picture a podcast
when I create something this is my baby
it wouldn't have existed if I didn't
work on it and breathe life into it and
I'm excited for people to partake of it
and to show it off and to share it with
them and you know who I get it from my
dad he's excited oh you like looking at
the Sun I check out the wind hey close
your eyes feel the wind how does that
make you feel I made that I made that I
got some other things I want to show you
to close your eyes you like this and
this is just that by itself of just
knowing that he loves showing off the
things that he's created and what made
it his likeness it can keep you busy for
eternity right I know always seeing
about 6,500 people a year and of that
percentage they're all non-religious non
church-going people and being counters
that they're having we're starting to
record them and and I know about to
write a book but to at least record with
recorded thousands now of the encounters
because they asked so mind-blowing they
they blow every concept that anyone who
have of God out of the water I mean I
had I'll just tell you only one lady her
her dad had recently died and she was
grieving him so she wanted to connect
with the lost day and we said well we'll
see what the Spirit says so we're never
going to say to them yes we're going to
connect we don't say yes we're going to
connect you with your departed loved one
so we said to yes we're going to see
take you into an encounter and you will
see what the spirit does well in the
encounter the the gift-giver came to her
as her dad and she started crying and we
asked her what's going on she said well
I see my dad he's standing there in
heaven and he's talking to me and then
she said hang on a minute another person
has appeared and we said what describe
what that person's like can they said
he's dark hair beard or mustache or long
robes and he's wearing he looks very
white like white light and she said my
dad is talking to that person and we
said to her what is your dad saying she
said my dad just turned to me and he
said to me from now on in your life I
want you only to follow the Spirit of
Truth no that is profound because
neither did not only didn't she make not
make that up but we did not make it up
or enhance that to happen and they're
having encounters like this and as soon
as she opened her eyes at the end of it
she said the very first thing I'm going
to go home and do is throw out all my
tarot cards that's what she said and we
had we said nothing throughout the whole
encounter and at the end of it she said
I want you to show me how to get the
spirit of truth into my life how do I
have a relationship with this spirit not
all the other spirits that I've been
having yeah yeah that's awesome that's
that's pretty typical of an encounter
with the team where we're seeing God
break out of the box to into the most
incredible one lady she saw a starfish
and the starfish started talking to her
things like that like really crazy but
she knew it wasn't really as tough as
she knew actually was the highest
spirits oh yeah that's awesome um here
within the last few minutes of the
podcast if any
he has any questions for Ginny y'all
post them in the comment section and
I'll try to relate them over if anybody
has any questions um one thing because
we were talking about like people having
their own personal encounters and then
having weird mystical experiences and
stuff there's something missing from
many prophetic circles and many
experiences here even prophetic words
and sharing you need to be careful
there's a lot of weird people there's a
lot of people with agendas a lot of
people who aren't they don't walk in a
level of integrity there's mixed
messages that come through all types of
things can get in the way of that flow
of God's Spirit you got to be careful
one thing in the scriptures I'm note I'm
noticing Corinthians 14 talks about a
lot but there was usually a judge there
someone there who maybe wasn't biased
who can listen to the prophetic words I
don't I don't think that's God or I
don't think that's why this is getting
too weird versus everybody just going in
there was always a judge there have you
guys explored that at all like the judge
who was there just kind of making sure
everything was you know kosher yeah what
do you mean just with a tea yeah just
having someone there to be like hey guys
I think I think we might be getting too
far out or I don't think that that was
God you know because some people they
may give a word and it's right on and
then they just had to keep following up
and they've really undo all the work
that they just did you know we're
extremely straight with the team and and
we monitor what they're saying
constantly so they're basically always
under training even when they've been
with us for nine years so if we hear a
word of our prophetic word that they're
saying that doesn't sound right or
that's off in any way we were told them
straight away and pull them up on that
and so for Ken and I we have people that
we turn to as well who are mentors who
we would ask
what do you think about this idea is
this on track or is this you know way
out there because there does need to be
that safety in the whole spiritual realm
and one of the scary things about for
instance the festival in around
Australia mind/body/spirit there is no
control and even the fact that people
are coming to us for reading they don't
know who we are they don't know what
we're going to say to them but they
blindly trust any psychic and any reader
for information without really knowing
is it safe and I think the safety issue
is a huge thing and it should be
addressed
probably in all levels actually um you
know I come from that background of just
the dark occult stuff psychics I lived
in New Orleans right on Houston New
Orleans we went visited New Orleans
around Bourbon Street with my family
several years ago we I don't think we we
was just around Bourbon Street I don't
even know if we went there and but there
was an alley
it was the psychic alley where the all
the psychics are set up and it went and
there was probably thirty tables Oh
thirty different people who were some of
them are hearing familiar spirits some
of them are tuned in it was just the
most intimidating some of them on drugs
you know you can feel it like me being
an empath as well and being able to
discern spirits I'm like oh okay and
they're all looking at you what they all
want you to come get a reading from them
and you're looking at like hey that's a
potential client you're like oh god I
gotta get off of the street you have
like the integrity and and the lifestyle
of a person means the world and you end
if someone who's so we can talk about
this maybe nobody knows what I'm talking
about it well you can't judge those
people usually when you're first
starting off in the prophetic you notice
you start judging people you know hold
on
why do I know things about these people
I shouldn't why am i doing that
I shouldn't be judging and they like wow
I know that person's past I know their
friends you like what is what's going on
like that's what happened for me but
those energies can be hard to balance
and that's why the spirit of the
prophets are subject unto the prophets
and we have to come together and talk
about this stuff and be open and honest
it's true oh we've actually had there
have been prophets around the world that
have questioned our ministry as well
yeah but it's just taking them a little
bit of time to understand really what
we're doing and we've listed we have
listened to them one of the main things
that some people keep saying is we want
you to stop using cards you know help me
say oh that's the one thing we're not
gonna stop using them so so they they
realize that or maybe they're not such a
bad thing after all and we'd have a lot
of discussions around that sort of stuff
it has nothing to do with the cards
it's just what they're related back to
cards tarot readers psychics demons oh
that's not good ahold of the way these
cards have nothing to do it's not even
like what are you it's this weird thing
you know this is yeah and the really
awesome thing is in the New Age in
Australia now we're really well
respected by psychics and they will come
to us for readings themselves and we're
actually good friends with some witches
so we're actually able to talk now on a
different level with them and on a
one-to-one level on a more of a friend
basis and they know that they know which
spirit we're operating from they know
that we run using Christ and we make
that very very plain and very obvious
that we're not channelling any other
spirit guide or any weird spirit and
they respect that and they actually
they've renamed our tent at one
witchcraft festival here the healing
tent so they recognize us as healers
that we're coming
in internet environment as a team of
healers and they really do actually
respect the gifting that the see a
gifting yeah yeah yeah I think that
church falls down on that one yeah it's
so weird could you talk about you have
to have these people you have to be
connected you'll go crazy if you're not
you have to find somebody you can talk
to especially when in the early days of
this kind of stuff right yeah all of
your peers all of your peers are lashing
out they're talking behind your back
most of the time they never talk to you
they just talk about you and that and as
an as someone who's sensitive to the
spirit you can feel it you can feel it
the next time you see them
why won't they look me in the eyes oh
they've been involved in gossip and
slander when my husband died when he
suicided
we were told by a group of prophets that
the enemy was going to take out my whole
family and indeed in his side of the
family many suffered mental illness
after that after he got that but it made
me learn one thing is that when he died
I realized that was very serious and it
affected not just my whole future life
but my kids lives I realized that the
enemy isn't playing games and it taught
me something about the enemy's
personality and that is he's out to kill
me he's out to actually really destroy
people and so I thought I'm not going to
play games anymore either and in it was
in that moment I lost all fear of him
complete loss of fear I said okay you've
done the worst you can do to me in like
my life you've destroyed my mind you've
taken out my husband but that's the end
of it and and it was like a point that I
reached spiritually where I saw what's
really happening in the spirit realm for
the first time with unveiled eyes and I
could see that he's actually out to take
out everyone
there's no kind it's like there's no
nice spirit guide that you can take
shopping to colds and do shopping with
like we've been taught you know in some
of these other classes and yeah he's out
to actually take you out and we've had
psychics come to us saying they've been
a psychic say for 10 20 years they'll
come to us and they say can you please
help us and we say what's wrong they
said at first everything was going great
with my spirit guide
now I'm physically very sick in my body
help me because I can't get rid of this
sickness and he's actually apt to take
people out and I realized that and I
lost all fear
I lost all fear yeah that's one thing
that the new ages gets you know gets
criticized a lot for because there's
always love and light love and light
yeah and I think that there's a lot of
loving light because we know how much
darkness is out there and we don't want
to dwell or perpetuate darkness but we
got to be oh we have to be honest like
you have to deal with that side too
usually first you got to deal with the
darkness first in your own life yeah
especially before you can help others
but that's definitely you know those
realms exist in those entities that want
to deceive and all of those cut type of
things really exist in they're really
smart at what they're doing but they
hold no power to King Jesus that's the
good news
so we do have another question here this
is from CT The Alchemist my good friend
Chad here Chad's ask let's see if I
could scroll back to his comic there's a
lot of activity are there any other
mystical experiences with Yeshua Jesus
and his direct messages anymore like one
on one I know every day is the
one-on-one against right but maybe any
type of different manifestation where
he's come through in such a way where he
made the room shake or something you
know yeah generally one that comes to my
mind a quick one is on Christmas Eve
with my daughter
just her and me alone in the house and
we felt something moved at the front
door we looked towards the front door
and we saw a being of light walking
through the door and arriving in the
house and we're pretty excited at that
at that very point her face little
particles of gold started appearing like
gold oil all over her face and it went
down from her face troubled down her
neck down on to her clothes until she
was actually sitting there we were by
now nearly screaming because this was an
amazing spiritual experience it was a
manifestation of not only the glory of
Yeshua but it was a manifestation
probably of the angelic presence that
had just walked in the door and it was
really amazing we tried to take
photographs of it I mean that they
didn't photo very well but on the
outside of her coat and skin this
glowing these particles of gold were
gold color but when she took off her
black jacket the whole inside every
single particle was silver there were
two different colors and that seemed
that's impossible that that's just
impossible and in that like you said
that the proof is in the fruit of it the
fruit of it was that we could literally
tangibly feel the presence of Yeshua in
in the room without having to see him in
a bodily form it was just crazy like the
oil was literally you could put it in a
glass it was dripping off her hands it
was just dripping and since then we've
had many experiences of this heavenly
dust that people call gold dust a lot of
people say it's fake yeah we've had bed
sheets out on the line covered back in
front
Australia of the washing machine as they
hang on
line one sheet will be covered and
there's not one speck of it on any other
cut that was in that washing machine and
they are miracles that happen a signpost
to I believe towards God as it's like
God invading the physical earthly realm
saying Here I am I'm here I'm real like
look at me because I'm real and it just
made us feel so much love and so much
wonder and so much joy that you would
bother to to put gold stuff on a sheet
we actually shook a lot of it into
little boxes and we still have them to
this day
they're now about seven years old and
they're mate we haven't bothered to have
it scientifically analyzed but the
amazing thing is it doesn't lose its
intensity in shine in glory like an
brightness and even when you hold the
box with it in it is supernatural that
you cannot say this is not from heaven
because it is attached from heaven for
sure that's awesome I remember and it
was probably 97 98 yeah a lot of that
stuff was coming out at least I seen it
for the first time on VHS tapes that
were passed around and people copied
them in theirs worship services where
this lady's patting her hair and all
this Gold's coming out of her hair and
they're catching it catching it in the
bot and in her Bible and it's just yeah
all this gold just coming out of her
hair and I remember seeing that and it
was so real and I never well it was on
video though and I never I never
experienced it in person but I would
have crazy dreams I would have dreams
that I was covered in gold dust and I'd
wake up looking for you know and it was
so it's so funny that I just kind of
like transferred over into the dream
state but it was just it was just like a
representation of the glory of God and
in those days I remember the guy the guy
who led me to the Lord he told me about
um they had they were having experiences
with the gold dust and stuff and praying
in circles and go
just manifesting all over the children
and stuff and they were they were blown
away that were really big into the
miraculous and supernatural and an
evangelist came to town and the pastor
had pulled pulled him aside and they
talked about and he like check them from
the pulpit some of y'all out here
getting into gold dust and things you
shouldn't be and it's like talking about
this weird stuff from the pulpit like
checking him or whatever it was really
really strange when he told me about
that but there's something that there's
like there's a power trip - there's like
this you know now I've noticed it as
someone who comes into the church as a
young man full of the Holy Spirit on
fire for God people come to you for
prayer like that because you have what
the pastor used to have when that
becomes you and there's many young men
and women across the globe who that's
their story a lot of times it puts a
target on your back because now okay
what are they coming to you for prayer
you should come to the pastor for prayer
you should come to the elders verses
this this person here in the
congregation or whatever and you see a
lot of people you see the dark side of a
religion enough control you know and of
which have really true rich witchcraft
honestly manipulation of them are
operating in a sad that people go into
that unknowingly you mentioned one thing
about people how they could and I've
talked about this many times - they can
come out of bondage they can come out of
drugs and the occult and sex trade all
think about all kinds of stories write
this stuff they were in and and put off
one bondage only to pick up another not
even knowing and that could be the
bondage of religion you know
the weird thing is is that we go to
these churches we go to prayer meetings
we have an encounter and we want to grow
in that encounter we want you
maybe recreate that encounter who is
this God that I encountered will come
here come to our church will help you
but then there's Dogma there's rules
do's and don'ts all of the stuff you
like this has nothing to do with what I
experienced you know and a lot of people
are experiencing that there's so many
new ages that we see that have now had
these most incredible experience with
Christ the Spirit of Christ who who now
want to go to a supernatural church yeah
where healing is normal and where these
experiences are normal I told you
they're hard to find even in Australia
they're few and far between to find a
place where they can actually grow in
healing and grow the seer gift the
prophetic gift so that they can operate
in this and grow in a safe place but I
mean hopefully this is gonna change I
think it is I believe it is changing
slowly it is it is I see I see growth in
my show just by being and I don't think
I'm doing anything special as far as
like oh you have the anointing or
whatever yes I do but we all have the
ability to tap into that but I do think
there is power in authenticity and
that's what we haven't seen you have to
play the role of a hypocrite the
definition of hypocrite is someone who
wears many masks in a play and you wear
this mask around these people and around
these people you're someone else and in
church or religion we have to wear those
masks and so people are taking those
masks off and they want to know what it
looks like we don't claim to have all
the answers we know the one who does I'm
not and all I'm doing on my in and I'm
sure you you you as well it's just doing
in being open and honest about what
works to you hey I've tried this it
doesn't work don't do that don't open
your mind and body to any spirit that
wants to come through please don't do
that
yeah do this it works we have proof
it'll help you and so no one can say
anything about that that's your story
that you're experiencing you're being to
yourself there's power in that man
series yeah I don't know if we answered
that guys you know Kay but no he's gonna
chat he thought it he said it was these
like Manny he said it was beautiful
other people are saying that they got
chills listening to it someone said that
their heart chakras lighting up
listening to you share about Christ
you know the whole weird thing about
Christ and the heart chakra thing
it's the fact that we would always see
the image the Catholic image of the
Sacred Heart on on fire always think of
it up I did an album right so I did an
album entitled colors and and it was
seven songs one based off of each chakra
I'm not an expert on the chakra don't
even know that they exist but I do know
that they represent different things in
our lives our root problems our root
issues our relationships our you know
spiritual ear to be able to hear the
voice of the Lord and we have things
that block them up so they're symbolic
so I did a whole album just kind of
dealing with those on like a spiritual
level and like relating it back to
Christ and the Bible and stuff and
people are getting Rockville listening
to it it's a pop album and it's exciting
man just to see just to go in there and
go to some people who've you know
they're they're not gonna listen to a
gospel album you know in the southern
gospel or a gospel rap but they'll
listen to one that's using their their
terminology and I'm inve I'm going in
I'm literally I'll tell them I don't
care because they find it that you know
at in the end they know the truth so
they find out I'll tell them look I'm
going in as a sheep in wolf's clothing
I'm trying to infiltrate these people
and it's working and yes we get
naysayers yes we get people who make fun
of they don't like what I'm doing on the
Christian side and the New Age and the
philosophical side they think I'm silly
or whatever but it's not for them it's
for the one or two people who watched a
video with me interviewing a psychic or
whatever the case is and they said yes
sure something about when he talks
there's something about when he prays
what is it let me tune in let me check
it out and and they they inquire for
more and I really think like I said
overall the publicity that you guys got
over the last year or two a lot of it
was bad and negative and people jump on
the bandwagon but they're you know
they're pretty much what they say any
promotion is good promotion
there is no promotion it's it's putting
you in front of people who would have
never heard you and forget the naysayers
there Adama they're a dime a dozen
they're gonna keep coming they're not
there's no end to them whatever but it's
it's for the one or two young people who
feel marginalized they don't have nobody
to talk to they're having dreams they're
having visions pastor says it's a demon
they don't know who to talk to they
would look on YouTube there's a you know
to Sears being open and honest about
their experience with the spirit realm
and with Christ now they have more
questions now I'm tuning in next week
now I'm gonna email them we get them
every day every day they it's totally
worth it
keep them coming keep all the
persecution the fire coming we know that
they did I know that the anointing comes
with that the more you press down the
more you squeeze the the olive the oil
is gonna come out yeah I think that's
the only way it comes out you have to go
through adversity and stand the test and
prove they really believe this and
you're really gonna stand for something
and it shows man it flows like like the
glory of God and it's so beautiful yeah
yeah I think that just reminded me of
another experience that I had with Jesus
and it was after my husband died in that
first six months I'd be on my knees in
lounge often crying and I'd be saying
where is he I wanted to know where the
body was where the body is which becomes
incredibly important when someone does
die the body and the blood become
incredibly important which is really
interesting because I never thought of
that before that but of how important
the blood is but but after that idea but
I had this experience where I be just
crying in the presence of God and it was
as if someone cut a circle in the top of
the roof like a portal straight into
heaven and there'd be white light so
coming out of it and I would open my
eyes and say where is the light coming
from and it was actually from this hole
in the ceiling and that happened many
many times and I really already
encourage any listeners that are going
through a really really hard time in
their lives at the moment um the deepest
time that the Spirit of Christ that
Jesus met me was in my worst time but
that was when he felt so close to me and
he went all out to actually ship come in
a physical form to me was when I was
desperate and I just encourage anyone
who's listening who's going to a really
really hard time he's actually closer to
you than you think like he's closer than
breathing all of the time and all you
have to do is reach out to him only a
tiny little bit and he'll take it you'll
take that tiny bit and he'll really meet
you where you're at to to heal your
heart or to heal whatever you're going
through because I feel like it's a few
people listening that are going through
some really heavy stuff at the moment
and yeah I just want to really encourage
them that you're not far away he doesn't
judge you and it it doesn't matter what
you've done in the past but he's very
close to you and he does have a solution
to your life and to your future and for
your destiny and it's good not bad it's
not bad it's not going to be a
continuation of the bad it's gonna be
something amazing in your life mmm
that's awesome we have a couple people
in the chat also asking about
if there any specific meditations or
things that they can do to experience
that if you don't mind can you just take
us into just a short prayer of someone
to who's who's watching this who you
know there are two hours in and they you
know they're excited they don't know
where to start they want to feel the you
know the presence of the Holy Spirit
that you know Jesus loves them and he's
real can they can they feel that through
it through a prayer just by closing
their eyes and receive do you take us
there yeah okay I got some soft music
playing - I know you can't hear it but
it's playing I want you just to close
your eyes and imagine your favorite
place in the whole world
where's your favorite place to be in the
world it could be a beach it could be
your bedroom it could be your lounge
room it could be a forest or a waterfall
and I want you to imagine that you're
there right now are you sitting or are
you standing
are you looking at the view or are you
just resting
is it a warm day or a cooler day
just over to one side of you out of that
scene now is approaching towards you a
gift giver and he's carrying gifts just
for you in his hands it could be in the
shape of a box it'll have a color and
he's going to walk over to you and
either put that gift into your hands or
down at your feet can you see that gift
if you can see that gift I want you to
pick it up now into your hands and I'm
confused open the gift box and have a
look what's inside what do you see
I want either take that gift out and
hold it close to your heart how does it
make you feel
then I want you to say after me spirit
of truth please show me show me what
does this give me what does this give me
you will come to you and he'll speak to
you because he's right there in front of
you now
none of you will see here in a physical
feeling trapped
what do you see
is he smiling at you is he looking at
you may have a question in your life
about your life you're going through
right now now's the time to ask him that
question
yes a spirit of choice and then asking
the question
asking me question to to say spirit of
truth it's pretty truth what else do you
want to talk to me about what else do
you want to talk to me about
read income to
let his rent himself feel his love fear
he's present
just say spirit of choice paratroops I
ask you into my life I ask her into my
life to be mine
to be my guide my protector my protector
show me your love
show me my death show me my destiny
give me peace give me peace
give me supernatural experiences with
you give me supernatural experiences
with you I should say call other spirit
guides I forsake all other spirit guides
I want to know who you are I want to
know who you are don't be alone show me
your love
many of you would have got a gift box
and it would have had a particular color
and those colors mean something so the
gift box the color that you saw is often
your life how your life is represented
and it has a really strong meaning the
give the gift that you saw wasn't your
imagination it was actually real and he
wants to do that for you in your life to
fill your life with love and purpose and
a destiny that's eternal anybody at
anytime you can always come back to this
this moment in the podcast and listen to
it again or share it with a friend or a
spouse if you want them to hear you can
always come back to that so yeah make
sure you guys do that and hopefully you
had an encounter and it's as close as
your next breath is what I say it's
really deep as exploring that you know
the next breath and so it's beautiful
you don't have to do anything you don't
have to go anywhere but just close your
eyes focus so yeah I'm just reading in
the comments here a lot of people are
singing thank you thank you thank you
amazing living lights made of love
awesome good stuff so Jenny I really
enjoyed this podcast you speak 2000
peoples you speak to thousands of people
per year you do one-on-one sessions with
them give them readings help them on
their their life their journey their
destiny reclaim their dream get that
vision of who they really are do you do
private consultations with people no
matter where they are do you do phone or
Skype consultations and sessions with
people as well
at the moment we don't but we do give
our email and we do do free dream
interpretation and often that involves
the consultation because we need to know
a little bit about the person's life so
in that way yes we do but we won't we
need to see the person interest and
usually to do the reading yes have you
tried it yet have you tried Skype oh my
goodness well I mean if you if you're
busy doing what you're doing now you're
in a good place you need Skype some of
us
I'm in the Bible Belt it makes things a
little bit easier to actually have the
internet and reach people where they are
but no that's awesome though so do you
want to plug your website where people
can look up some of your resources and
follow what you guys bring to the table
Oh give our email reaches I'm very
simple it's just Christ alignment at
hotmail.com so Christ's alignment at
hotmail.com our website is wwii an org
our website though is designed
specifically for people that are
searching for people that are in the new
age it is definitely not not geared
towards religion in any way so don't get
this chopped if you get going our
website people think we're a whole bunch
of wild things on that website so we are
that's right that's because we really
are charter
childlike at heart we really do have a
mixed multitude but there's a common
bond there's a common bond and I think
it's really do you think it's the Spirit
of God people you know they're just
trying to find out where they belong
like you say who they are like we see in
Australia everyone that would matter if
we go to a football match it wouldn't
matter if we go to a huge festival or a
naked hippie festival the question is
always the same why am i on earth what
is my purpose on earth what is my
identity they all the same question is
the cry of everybody's heart who loves
me why we're here and that's what we
believe the answer is Christ the Spirit
of Christ that's good stuff wow I really
appreciate this time you spent with me
and we'll have to catch up off the air
too so maybe sometime tomorrow we'll get
some time to talk talk and catch up but
I really appreciate your coming on
hanging out with me yeah thank you so
much really enjoyed it it's been really
wonderful
ok credit for all your listeners thank
you it will do the same for you guys
there's a special gift in it for us to
be you know I'm saying the waist Sears
to take it clearers to kind of look away
for a lot of people but it's working be
of good cheer we have overcome the world
my friend you have it you have a good
day where you are you're 17 hours ahead
of me so I'm glad we I'm glad was able
to do this thank you so much my friend
thanks Jenny
from Christ's alignment beautiful so
beautiful people they got a they got a
powerful ministry or powerful movements
we can call it reaching out to all all
people groups and they've they want you
know they go they've undergone a lot of
flack as we all have right I think
that's one thing we talked about this
common interest of this common thing
that has brought us together I think one
thing should be persecution I know many
of you personally in the chat and I know
personal stories where you've been
persecuted you know going through
through those things and you know I
really believe I talked about this
yesterday that the secret the magic
elixir of dreams is blood sweat and
tears you're gonna have to fight for it
you might have to cry about it a little
bit you're gonna have to work hard over
whatever it is that you believe if it's
your faith your faith is going to be
tested it's gonna be tried
he who endorsed to the end shall be
saved don't give up there's a special
reward in it for you if you don't and if
this if the reward is his presence it's
enough I could be honest that's what was
in my gift when I closed my eyes it was
this more of his presence more of him
opened it up it's not a toy
a new trinket something shining is this
more of his presence that that really is
all reward his presence man sustains us
and helps us get through this thing it
could be scary out there it can be hard
man behold I send you out as sheep
amongst wolves it could be hard
sometimes especially when they're from
your own fold you know that's you know
friendly fire friendly fire someone who
had this who stepped down from ministry
some years ago a good friend of mine
they had a term they said well he's just
a casualty of the ministry it happens
people never stop a foot back in the
church again because of some of these
things that people have done in the name
of God that wasn't God was in Christ by
any means
that's why we're loving light because
the world is wicked be of good cheer
I've overcome the world you guys were
asking about meditations and things like
that to tap into the spirit I've worked
on a couple I have the chakra alignment
meditation I have the guided meditation
into the throne room of God and also
have the two meditations that I just put
out the scripture meditations where
they're just repeating the scriptures
over and over with beautiful music for
an hour so one is to focus on financial
abundance I don't think that you're
supposed to be broken begging and
borrowing I think that we're supposed to
be the lender and not the borrower also
the other one it's about healing those
who are suffering with pain in their
body pain in their spirits needs
spiritual healing physical healing
emotional anything you're dealing with I
believe that if you put that meditation
on it's a free download if you put that
on you'll experience healing it's in
there's just repeating healing
scriptures over and I had a beautiful
encounter with the Lord while I was
recording it and I know that I captured
that on the on the audio so head on over
to my website true seeker com you can
get that the links are on the patreon as
well bunch of cool stuff that we're
putting out please join us
Sunday mornings for the school of the
seers that we're doing we're doing very
similar things to this we're gonna guide
a meditation breath work and healing and
so if you looking for community we got
many ways that you can reach out
Thursday night school to the Mystics all
of that good stuff so I'm also doing
private consultations as well working on
some courses got some stuff that I'm
bringing to the table make sure you
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miss an alert all that good stuff thank
you guys again I really enjoyed this
this episode and enjoyed hanging out
with you guys as well reading the chat
love you guys
Chad says where can we access the
meditation link if you go to true seeker
com there was a pop-up that will bring
you right to it but if you want to go
directly there just go to Gumroad comm
and type in true seeker Gumroad calm
type in true seeker that's where my
meditations are uploaded and so the
throne-room is a really good one
Ali and Kenny saying that they listen to
it weekly and in the encounters are
beautiful thank you sir she says thank
you yeah good stuff love you guys and
I'm we'll do it again tomorrow Shalom
Shalom god bless
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