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today's discussion. My guest today is Brendan Murphy. Brendan, welcome to the
acoustic podcast man, how are you? I'm a good man. I'm waking my brain up. It's about five
plus one here in the morning, but I'm going to hang in there with it and we'll have your
chat. I'm sure thanks for having you on. Yeah, definitely man. So, you know, waking your
brain up, hacking the brain and things like that, looking over your work, it seems like
you know how to do that. It shouldn't be a task for you. Biohacking ways to make up the
brain fire and stuff. Yeah, man. Absolutely. That's that's what I'm on
about. So yeah, getting out of bed, not my strong suit, but helping
be the way the brains up and DNA activated and all that sort of fun stuff.
Definitely. So I'm definitely on the, on the, on the many. So it's 1 a.m.
where you are, right? Yeah, that's right. You and I'll show you. Yeah,
use coast of Australia. I don't know if you've been to Byron Bay,
but the Byron Bay shot. For sure. I haven't been there, but we've got a, a lot of
listeners in Australia who join us. So that's pretty cool. So definitely if you're doing anything
as far as workshops or physical stuff over that way make sure you plug that because I'm sure we
have some people that want to leak in with you for sure. So let's just for sure for sure.
Let's just hear a little bit about the Genesis man like what got you into spirituality and so all
of the really cool things that you bring to the table like I like to hear the Genesis first like
was it any childhood experiences when you was a kid that made you ask the bigger questions in life?
Was it one near-death experience? What was it that got you into asking the bigger questions in life?
Yeah, fair question. I guess you could spare us our philosophical streak
for as far back as I can remember. I just had that element of the personality. It's curious
the blunders about things, the purpose of things, what's it all about. So if you skip
four until I was about 19 going on 20, I have a younger brother who was at school and I had
finished school, I think I was probably in the first year of studying the Institute of Music.
And he came home from school one day and he said, we have this guy coming in as guests who's a
guest speaker and he was talking about online. I'm just saying about business, he was an entrepreneur
and he also just, he was supposed to talk about business, but he was talking about this thing,
this book called the holographic universe and you know, I know yourself, quite a popular,
pretty well known book. And he just said, you know, I don't know why, but I feel like, you know,
you might be interested in checking that out for some reason, which was definitely, you know,
an unusual event that he would actually come home with a book recommendation forming.
So, you know, it stood out to me, and I thought, you know, put that on the back,
but in the back of my mind, and I'll come back to that.
So, that's what I did, you know.
I kept that there for about six months or so before I acted on it.
And when I did, I went and tracked down the book and I read it.
And that was the beginning of the end in a way.
The beginning of the beginning, it just blew my mind,
and it showed me that my model of reality, until that point,
had been severely distorted and severely limited.
And that was where I began to really,
that was where I became a seeker,
if you want to be a seeker of truth.
When you were, what year was that?
How old was you?
I think I was 19 to 20.
So, about 2003.
Wow.
Nice, so you've been in it for a while.
I was noticing like there was a lot of people
who got into a lot of this stuff around 2012.
Did you see a boom or shift during that time
your own life? Well in my immediate sort of surroundings that stood out to me that I know
was it was a time you know that was definitely active and I think it's just increased
since then and now we're seeing another exponential increase because of the you know the
pandemic. Yeah yeah definitely people would uh into conspiracy theories and asking like the
deeper questions now more than ever it's interesting too because you see I'm like getting caught
up and getting freaked out and stuff. But that's kind of part of the process for a lot of people
when you find out that whether it's the spirit realm or that the people that we've put our trust in
in the government or in the religious systems or whatever don't have the best intentions in mine
when you find that out that's that's kind of heartbreaking early on.
Yeah it is man and I would say that was the second major stage of my awakening you know I had the
spiritual awakened first. So you know, I had a key mystical experience that grounded in the concept
that consciousness is the foundation of reality. And then from there, because I knew from direct
experience, that's a very solid grounding to move forward into exploring other areas. And then
the next thing was the political awakening, if you want to call it that, that whole awakening to
the manipulation of the masses and how that plays out. So that happened through a day before
actually as it happens. And that showed me, like I said, you know, it is very, if you have
no idea about that stuff and then suddenly you dropped into it, it is pretty disturbing.
And you know, I felt pretty sick to decide first and I took a few weeks to put that book
aside and integrate what I learned of it. You know, I've stopped at the 99 page. I can
sort of remember that. And, you know, I just gave it a few weeks to digest it and then come
back and finished reading it and that was like, okay, well, this is what we've got to work with.
As far as like, you know, reading these books and stuff like that, I feel like any type of spiritual
material for many of us, it's books, music is huge, movies, like having this awakening experience
and then watching Star Wars or any of the La Matrix and stuff like that, it really helps facilitate,
again, you'd ask the bigger questions and then to understand that, hey, this stuff could be real
or Israel. And then it's linked in with just the realms of possibilities because you're
seen it in a movie and then you're experiencing similar things and then you're reading stuff in
books that are speaking about similar threads that were in Star Wars and things like that.
Like how do you tie the two together as far as reading some of these different philosophical books
and what is possible to maybe experimenting with them or facilitating a spiritual encounter
or like how did it happen for you to like versus this is something I'm reading about that's deep
and far out to like wow this is real and I can actually measure it or experience it in my day
to day. You dropped out a little bit there but could you make a question? As far as like
you know reading these concepts and books and stuff like that so as far as the David Ike book and
holographic universe and those books like from like how did it jump off the page and become real for
or did you have supernatural experiences?
Was there something that you could try?
Or was there something that you could do
as far as facilitating a supernatural experience?
Yeah, that's a good question.
So the first thing that happened for me was,
the book was followed by a very spontaneous unplanned,
unintentional musical experience.
I was just lying in bed, I was waiting to go to sleep
and there was just this sort of sudden shift,
there was no transitional phase,
it was just ordinary sort of state of consciousness
falling into lower alpha, falling into the sort of brainwaves,
but instead of losing consciousness,
I had the shift into, I'm a point of consciousness
in an infinite field of consciousness now,
and I am the universe and the universe to me.
And that was how the experience was translated
at a mental level.
And yeah, the interesting thing about that
was it gave me that in and knowing
that this is the nature of reality at a baseline level.
And as soon as I tried to mentally analyze it,
that was what actually terminated the experience.
So as soon as the left brain analysis kind of got involved,
that was the end of it, that grounded it.
So when there I was like,
Okay, well, you know, how do we get back there?
So I started meditating, you know, back in, you know, from the age of 20 to 22,
I was attending a spiritualist church.
I was doing the weekly transmedia and ship group.
I was doing meditation on my own at home.
You know, I was very much in that kind of energy and doing that kind of work.
So it was consistent consistency there.
And I had a couple of pretty spectacular further mystical experiences and quite deep,
which, again, you know, just anchors it in. So, yeah, there is obviously a systematic approach
that can be really useful if you want to have that knowledge and that notice and rather than
leaving it at a mental conceptual level, you know, you can actually be it and become it, which was
very, very powerful. So, it sounds like you almost had like a lucid dream where you felt like a
a oneness in the dream state with with all information with everything like when you say
I am the universe and the universe is me like is that what happened like you were going
to sleep and you fell in this this this realm where you experienced that and then you
were able to kind of tap into it later at times or like how like how would you explain
that a little bit more like when it started.
Yeah.
It's I would say that I definitely wasn't having a dream.
But it is, you know, it is possible to do very interesting things with consciousness.
I mean, if you can send your body to sleep and keep your mind awake, then you can have
this, like, out of body, loose and dream type of experiences and there's an argument
to be made that a loose and dream is a version of an out of body experience that they
are related.
I've had a couple of sort of minor out of body experiences, which are totally unrelated
to the musical experiences.
So what I've done is I've taken more of the root of the mystic rather than the root of the occultist, and I've just become, you know, my interest was more like in the infinite, and that undivided ground of reality, that fabric, that baseline where there is no differentiation, there is no subject object, there's just the one, the one, intelligence, the one.
intelligence the one the one awareness. So yeah, I would I would characterize it as a
a musical experience as opposed to a dream site. Yeah, if you want to categorize
put things in today, there are different categories here. That's interesting. Like
like as far as like repeatability though, like how did you find that repeatability
or is it? Was it just spontaneous? Yeah, the first time it happened, it was
entirely spontaneous. So that that was kind of a little bit of a trigger point. And then after that
it was a matter of me just systematically being consistent with meditation. You know, it was something
that I did most nights of the week. You know, I would most nights of the week I would lock myself.
If I wasn't down at the church, you know, doing these group activities, I was on my own at home
for making hours or an hour and a half, you know, I was listening to a brain-wave
of treatment CD most of the time, so that was helpful. I'd love myself in a dark
room, so I was creating a kind of a sensory deprivation environment, and that really
helps to, you know, experience these very altered loosen states of awareness. So yeah, that
was kind of my approach for the first two years of my 20s. So it is, it's definitely
something that's repeatable to have these deeper experiences, these deeper
musical states, I'm not saying it's necessarily easy, but it is it is
available if you if you're willing to put in some consistent effort, yeah. Yeah,
that's what you know, I have a lot of people reaching out to me asking me how
they can go deeper to experience all of this stuff and everything that you're
explaining as far as just like positioning yourself with spiritual
material with reading books on it. I always throw in listening the music and
meditating like those three things reading spiritual materials and books and
listening to spiritual music. I mean it was big for me and spending time in
meditation and I think just like cultivating that as part of your daily life
facilitates you know what I would call walking in the spirit but having this
connection there where you can you're having these dreams you're having what if
If you want to say downloads at these moments of epiphanies and things like that about
the deeper matters about your soul, your psyche, oneness and things like that, and I know
you have a bunch.
I know you have programs and stuff available.
Is that something that you would tell people to start with, though, as far as like how
do I go deeper?
How do I facilitate these things?
I'm interested in what you guys are talking about.
I mean, obviously, again, with the programs, there's other paths and breathwork and getting
a little bit more detailed in those musics and meditations, but as far as a whole, what
would you say as far as to facilitate that for somebody who's just not getting into some
of this stuff?
Yeah, I think your approach is pretty logical.
It depends on the individual as well.
My path was pretty haphazard for a couple of years.
I was disciplined.
I think discipline is useful.
I think like you've been saying, imbibing the materials.
so that your consciousness is focused in it
and resonating to that is definitely something
that encourages your brain and your consciousness
to shift into those other other phases
and other states naturally,
which is doing every time you get to sleep anyway.
You know, there's a lot of good research
that shows that we are essentially having
out of body experiences as part of going to sleep.
So if you can train yourself your mind to stay awake
as you shift through those different brainwave stages
and the deeper ones, then you'll have the loose dreams,
you'll have the out-of-body experiences.
And you can train yourself to remember this stuff, too.
So it's just a matter of practice and discipline,
I think, and staying focused on that kind of material
and the desire magnetizes those experiences,
the intention magnetizes them to you.
Like having an out-of-body experiences
is really predicated on wanting,
really wanting to have on.
So yeah, I mean, I kind of have just been more focused
on embodying the truth, these truths that we've been immersing ourselves and living from
that place and living intentionally and being, and sort of kind of trying to be the example
of it, but in a way that's just unique to me and what I am, like I'm trying to just
be me and I'm not trying to be anybody else or follow anyone else's pattern or formula.
So ultimately everyone's duty and job, their responsibility to themselves is to unfold
that for themselves as that unique, you know, we're all that unique fractal and unique snowflakes.
So you can only do you. You can only be you. I can only be me. And we can take all these
different, you know, modalities and parts and trainings and things. And at the end of the day,
the challenge is to actually, you know, become a bit at the deep level. So I try to facilitate that.
We, I know we've heard the quote when the student is ready, the teacher will appear. And so
So you are doing the inner work and listening this spiritual material, watching podcasts
like this, like all of this stuff, you know, whatever you focus on shows itself to you,
I guess.
And so what about like dealing with enlightened teachers or beings on the other side, some
would call angels that I feel like we're connected, whether it's again with God, it's
someone call it God, the universe, this all knowing, that shows itself to us in different
ways, whether it is a teacher or an angel or an ET or I'm channeling these light beings
or whatever it is.
Have you had those encounters with these deep levels of meditation where something comes
and says hello and then there even is repeatability with that kind of thing, a relationship,
Whether it's channeled material or I channeled these beings from data reticulae or I channel
Jesus or whatever the case is, have you had those type of experiences as well?
No, I've had that filter that happened really, you know, I just, I haven't meditated
for quite a long time actually, I've kind of translated, you know, rather than being feeling
obligated to continue doing that as a sort of separate activity, I think my mindset became
live, you know, make your life a living meditation, make it an intentional exercise so that,
you know, you're not being, you know, wasting your time and you're not living unintentionally
and unconsciously. So for me, yeah, I have, um, I haven't had some interesting sort of stuff happen.
I mean, back in the day when I was doing the meditation pretty hard for some interesting,
very interesting vision, vision type experiences. I had a guy who looked like a wizard
kind of show up and he was sort of juggling fire or something. There was a very ethereal
sort of fish that the light had passed my face. I mean, I couldn't explain to the purpose or
meaning of the fish at all for the life of me. I mean, you can sit there and try and analyze the
symbolism. It's like, which is funny. It's part of it. I mean, I'm all about, I'm all about
I wasn't this stuff for sure, but the experiences
tend to be pretty, pretty variable in my experience anyway.
I mean, I know a lot of people who go down the road
of, you know, they become one of these sort of intuitive
psychic channel types and they're always talking there,
guys, they're always talking there, you know,
angels or whatever they call it or conceptualize as,
a lot of ET contact.
I mean, I've been immersed in this stuff.
I've been interested in it for a long time.
Yeah, but on personal level, that level, those layers of it have kind of been almost filtered
out.
It's like I've kind of bypass that stuff and go on to the core, which has kind of been
my personality.
Yeah.
That's, you know, that's so strange and I loved to dig into that with like the psyche
and what is it and again, showing itself to you because I'm with you, like I've been digging
into this stuff for a long time and have had amazing experiences that, I mean, we're beings
or things show up in this realm, and I still can't put my finger on.
Yes, that was a being from Zeta Reticuli again, like in his name is Zoltan or something,
and I can channel him, like there, a lot of it's iffy, but so for some of these people
who come out and say, yes, I do channel him. He has a message for you, those kind of things.
I question a lot of that stuff about what's going on in the psyche and kind of facilitating
your own experience. And if you go into that with that notion and that experience and you
you can create that guy, that guy who wants to come and say hello and you created it in your mind
and he's given you information and this is some world within a world that you created and so
and it's not to negate anybody's experience. It's just how much of a role that we play in this
this experience as well. Do you question a lot of that stuff? But again, even if you made him
up and he comes to you every night, you're still getting the benefits of being that lives on
another planet saying hello every night. There's some interesting stuff to it when it comes to
channeling. I did a whole documentary teaching on it and the psyche and spirits and as far as dealing
with the ventriloquist spirits and like letting your body become a ventriloquist for something to
speak through. But I think it's usually deep within that person somewhere. You know, there's
different states that we can get into where we unlock more information, whether it's pulling it from
the conscious collective or even for more ancestry DNA. There's so much crazy stuff to it. But when
it comes to creating this philosophy, like I'm going to show you how to summon these beings from
this planet by doing this meditation. What are some of the pitfalls or some of the realities
to that kind of stuff that you've seen? Yeah, I think you raise a few good points there,
like people do this issue of unconsciously or even intentional creating another entity,
you know, a full form entity, a full portal being is something that is very, very common,
and also that we do this on a collective level as well and once it's created it will tend to
behave at least initially as it's programmed to, as it's expected to, in line with the kind of
ideas that we have about this thing or this being, then they can also take on their own
volition and intelligence and have their own kind of agenda like, you know, lose interest in
in obeying, being obedient or whatever.
So there, it's really a case-by-case scene
because there are so many possibilities
in this infinite realm of possibility.
So it's great, I mean, endless amounts of research
and fun to be had.
And that issue of what is it that you're actually dealing
with?
What are you actually opening up to is really a question
I mean a lot of people have an encounter or encounters but they don't have the experience or the
context or maybe the level of perception to show them what is it like the essence of this thing
that I'm interacting with? Is this like an intelligent thought form that's responding to me
as if it's a separate being like me or is it something that I've conjured up unconsciously? Is it
something that collective consciousness has birthed, is it an alien from our space?
You know, it's a lot of the skill set isn't there.
It's not developed to be able to discern things.
And I mean, I've spoken to people who have massive experience with that kind of thing.
And it's like, you know, these beings show up and that they shower this person with love
and light and make them feel really good, but for some strange reason, the person who's
being shared with love and light gets into this massive depression.
And it's like, the two don't add up.
It's like, well, something's not right yet.
And then, you know, someone on a bit more experienced
comes in to help them and sort of see, well,
what is this entity, you know,
and they give it a command, you know,
showing what you actually are, you know?
This kind of, this is like kind of cosmic universal law
where if you demand to be, you know,
told or informed what the entity actually is,
then they have to tell you.
And, you know, then it turns out to be something, you know,
that is operating completely in the against their interests against their best interests and maybe
it's not sharing you with love and mind, maybe it's harvesting your energy and making you feel
really shitty. So you have to assess things on a case-by-case basis.
Yeah, that's the thing, man. There's so many different things that people claim to experience and
and what's going on in their realm of belief and I don't want to make fun of them.
But some of it is sounds so preposterous.
I mean, people message me telling me I am the reincarnation of the God Odin and we're supposed
to be married, like crazy stalkers, weird stuff and I'm like, no, I don't believe it now.
you are you need to understand this and they're like I feel like no you need I think you need help
you know what I'm saying so there is some weird stuff that kind of that kind of comes into play
with that or with so many other scenarios and I know you've heard as many as I have but in the
back of my mind it's like not the Odin thing but some of these far out people telling me that they're
the Archangel Michael and all this kind of stuff and it's like what if they were right
Like, what if you die, what if you go to heaven or wherever you go after this place?
And you're talking to God and it's like, I sent you the Archangel Michael, but you didn't
believe it was him.
Some of the stuff that sounds preposterous is like, what if it's real?
I mean, I hear so much.
I mean, I mean, people email me telling me that they're my mother reincarnated from when
I was a king, you know, just crazy stuff.
I'm like, what would that do to me if I believed it?
You know what I'm saying?
Like what would that do to my psyche if I went around
and I'm Odin, you know what I'm saying?
And you need to respect me.
And that mess is what people psyche.
And so there is some pitfalls that people can fall into
with dealing with spirits.
And we say spirits, these become spirits
because they're in essence.
They're like, I'm carrying myself like Odin.
Now everything I interact with is like Odin's
picking up these things.
And I've never seen this type of technology.
Like it gets kind of crazy, bro.
Like what are some of the pitfalls
and how do we stay clear of it?
Is this, is it, it's not to stay away from it
or not have the conversation?
That's not the answer.
But what are some of the ways to avoid some
of these weird psychosis and pitfalls and things?
Oh, yeah, that's a great question.
Being grounded.
He grounded. Don't be off with the fairies. Come back to your center and create your reality
from the inside out, not from the outside. I would suggest, or I would caution against,
and this is a play on this planet at this point, even at this point in time of the 21st century,
where people create their personal reality by allowing a belief structure, a pre-existing
belief structure of whatever it might be to to inform their worldview and their
view of themselves and whether it's you know original sin in
catholicism Christianity or whatever it might be it's like you're
imbibing something that somebody else has created here and you're internalizing it
that's that's not your unique truth that's not the truth about who you are
the truth about who you are can only come from inside of you but if you're
distracted by everything going on around you, you're not listening to it, not tapping into your DNA,
then you're going to be blown around like a leaf in the wind. It's like you have no ground it,
because everything outside of you is constantly shifting and changing and you can be like,
one minute you've got this belief system, the next minute that doesn't suit you, so emotionally
you're driven away and you go over here and you become this other thing and it's like all these
labels and all this stuff, it's just externalizing. And you have no foundation whatsoever.
So a lot of these people, like if you, people who email you with like your own or whatever,
I thought I had some weird, some pretty weird stuff to them. And it's like, if you could
look at, and I'm not saying this to be an asshole, but if you could look at those people's
lives and the way that they function, not at least 99% of the time, you would not envy
them in the state that their mind and their heart was in. They're not coming from the stable
place. It's essentially a mind virus. If you think about the cycle terrain that we exist in,
it's populated with massive amounts of thought forms that up to tens of thousands, hundreds of
thousands of years old, and then we've got all the crap that we've been creating over the last
couple hundred years, all this stuff exists on the thought form in the mental
planes, the astral plane, and so at any given moment you can be influenced by
anything. Any garbage that exists psychically, cognitively, psychologically, can
infiltrate you if you are vulnerable, if you're not grounded in yourself, if you're not
protected, and stuff like, you know, uncontrolled use of recreational drugs,
you know, alcoholism, all this kind of stuff, you know, destabilizes the
to sit in and opens you up to these other intrusive energies.
So, you know, being sensible and looking up yourself
and being healthy is just a foundational starting point.
Yeah, I mean, I'm with you on like a lot of these people.
They, you know, it's nothing to envy, you know,
as far as their lifestyle or what they're doing.
But some of them, you know,
part of this is spiritual awakening.
Like so like when they have this awakening to consciousness
and all this one, and there are enlightened beings out there
and those kind of things.
Some of these people are like, you hear a lot of stories
about people leaving Fortune 500 companies
and they were CEO of this and that
and now they're a spiritual teacher,
now they're a guru, now they're more fulfilled
in life, they're helping people.
But I know very well to do people
who have their stuff together,
who like they have those mental breakdowns
and it's usually some type of spiritual psychosis.
I am God, you know, and I can give scenarios.
I don't want to call like stuff out just because it's,
you know, they listen to the podcast and stuff,
but I get a lot of, you know, well-meaning to do people.
Sometimes it's just a, you know,
and I've done some weird stuff, you know what I'm saying?
I mean, it's hard to, when you find out
that reality is deeper and it's a little bit different
than what we've been taught, like it's a mind mess.
It'll mess you up, it'll shake you, man.
you know, when you find out that, you know, your pastor has been lying to you or your
pastor's, you know, got a kid tied up in the basement, you know what I'm saying?
Just weird stuff that send people into these weird whirlwinds or whatever it can be.
I mean, there's so many different things that can cause a spiritual awakening.
I'll say that.
And it's usually having your dichotomy shifted, like destroyed, right?
Your worldview till I boom.
This is the real real world for so many people.
it's scary. So for some of the people, it's Alex Jones and, you know, pizza gate stuff,
you know, that's happening right now. But it always comes back to, again, like you said,
grounding and doing the inner work for yourself. But there are a lot of well-meaning-to-do
people that fall into those pitfalls.
It's, it's in seniors. One of the things is that stress, intense, really intense stress,
the intense psychological duress has a way of pressurizing and compressing the psyche and
making it, you know, it's like a bridge can only take so much weight on it before it eventually
starts to crumble. The psyche is the same and you know, the more that someone is compressed by
these external pressures and stresses and things that, you know, whatever they pass traumas and
all that stuff, the more it leads them to a point where if they don't have this like a constructive
integrative awakening kind of experience, they'll have a disintegrative sort of experience.
And a lot of people have noticed, this has been a theme that I've noticed over the last few years,
in particular, is that that has been playing out that whole having a life breakdown, like a life
crisis is often followed by somebody believing that they've had an encounter with Jesus and
you know it's like I don't care if you want to believe that this historical diversion of
advanced space on the Bible is that's your deal but there's a clear pattern that the psychologically
fragile stressed out person is going to become open to these other influences and the psyche
every, every spiritual awakening or journey or altered state is always occurring in the psychic.
You're always going deeper into the psychic. There is nowhere else to go. It's all psychological.
So, and, and that's not reductionist. I'm saying in the broadest possible sense. So everything
exists within the psychic, the broad psyche of the, of the cosmos, the universe, the multiverse.
So you can never avoid that. You can never avoid psychological content. It's either going to be yours,
or it's going to be someone else's, it's going to be the collectives, and one of the strongest
forces or entities in the collective consciousness at this point in time, based on 2,000 years
of, say, 1,800 years of conditioning is the Jesus Christ entity, the intelligence which
operates probably as a pretty autonomous being at this point and behaves as people would expect
it to, based on conditioning. So that's an example of what can happen when you
opened up to things that maybe you're not fully prepared for and don't know
how to interpret you know in the death experiences people have there are a
lot of Westerners who have that conditioning even if they're not believers if
they're not they don't have to be a believer but they will still often
have an experience where they see this being this luminous being and they
interpret it later on or even at the time they interpret it as
Jesus, but they also, I note, I notice regularly, that they also don't have a developed
perspective to be able to interpret the experience from a 40,000-foot view, and interestingly
enough, the entity in these need-app experiences to only an on one point never, ever identifies
itself as Jesus. It's always the subject of interpretation of the person who haven't experienced.
So what you'll find is, and this is, you know, I go on, I get into this in a lot of detail
in the book I'm running, it's book 2, where the forces of the cycling, the collective
arm just will manifest themselves as these different avatars and archetypes based on what
the individual needs or will understand.
And it's really, to a large extent, it's as simple as that, because otherwise it wouldn't
I'll be constructive or need certain.
It's like we get what we're capable of grasping at the time, kind of thing.
Yeah, that's so deep because I mean, that's my story, you know, I call myself a Christian
mystic, you know, my, uh, when everything was in shambles, it wasn't that, because it works
both ways, right?
It's like, there's a lot of people who like kind of go to Jesus or, or, but they end up
going to religion, you know what I'm saying?
And then that messes everything that, hey, you can't do that, you can't do this, can't
be friends with that person, can't listen to this music.
And so for that, that's like crumbling all of their stuff that they have built up.
But for like a lot of people who are hurting or having a hard time with the psyche, like
with Jesus represents is light.
You know what I'm saying?
It's like the highest form of love and that's what I call it.
Like love that became a person for me.
So when I, if I pray or if I invoke that name, I can say the same thing, I call upon
the highest form of love that exists in the universe right now, or I can just say I call
upon Jesus.
Like for me and my psyche, like we have these players, these, would you say avatars or
archetypes, right, that embody this.
And so Jesus would be the highest form of love, the devil is the epitome of darkness.
And then there's entities and beings in between, angels and demons, right?
And those are archetypes, they're essences, right?
And so again, what you believe shows itself to you.
And if you believe that to be true, and whether it's, whether if, if that is true, like
if it really is, if Jesus really is out, I don't care what you call it as long.
And just like AA, AA program, we don't care what you call it.
You just have to believe that there is a God or a creator or the universe that loves you
that you can drop power from, you know, and so it's like when you have these systems and
archetypes in place, they can help people, right?
Because I'm drawing this love from, from, and then people say because it's an external
source and you're not really getting it, you're going outside of yourself or whatever,
but all religions have like essentially something similar, right?
different tenets and stuff and whether it's through like some form of heroes
journey, right? We have the archetypes and this story that we're all you know
playing out. I believe that if this civilization of life as we know it is
deleted and starts over, I believe that these stories are gonna come back. It's
just like whether it's in the soul of man or whether it is the truth of Jesus
and God or sitting there watching. I think it's a little bit more deeper and
and we've given them names and titles.
And I'm cool with that.
It still works, that's the thing.
Like it works, this is the name.
Well, it's Babaji.
Babaji appears to, hey, it works, man.
Babaji, sending you light and love.
Hey, it's working, bro.
You're holding your stuff together.
Zeta, reticulide beings come to you every seven days.
And they're giving you knowledge and downloads
of the seven stars.
It's working.
Like, whatever it is, it's becoming the archetype
and understanding that it works.
So, you know, I deal with a lot of spiritual far out, just understanding, just trying
to explain the stuff and people will, you know, they laugh at Christianity or how simple
or whatever dogmatic that Christianity is or has become and we're deeper than spirituality
maybe getting the Hinduism or Mayan culture or whatever, but it's the archetype.
We have to pick one, like you got to pick one.
If not, you're going to be these people, hey man, I'm reincarnated.
You've got to have something that works, it's got to have practices.
It's got to have something that helps you, you know, have this routine, you know.
But I feel like what I do is a little bit of all of it.
It's like, if it's good, like I want to take the good stuff from every culture and get
rid of the bad stuff.
And maybe that is a form of my psychology of not wanting to deal with the darkness or
bad, but if it works, it works.
And I feel like that's even with this podcast is talking to people from every spectrum.
And like, I'm picking their brain to see what's working.
Oh, that works.
You did it and it worked.
Yeah.
And it brought tremendous peace.
Okay.
I can try it at least, you know, and see if it works for me.
And I think that that's how we progress with this narrative of what's working.
Okay.
I'm not, I'm not necessarily telling you that it's Jesus, but that's the archetype.
I can use those words.
And this is what it means to me, it triggers things in my psyche that allows me to connect
and not just me, but it's the religion of the day for now and people, you know, they relate
to it or draw away from it, especially in the hippie New Age movement.
Oh, Jesus and religion?
No, my father was a pastor.
For some people, it's a trigger.
They don't want nothing to do with you when they hear.
Even I've been using the term God, they hate that term, but I'm like doing the
in a word too is like, okay, why are you upset with that term?
Why does God offend you?
Why can't you use it?
Oh, because God represents the patriarch, you know,
whatever.
And I'm like, okay, let's get to the bottom
and really understand that.
So when it's coming, all of religion
and our spiritual practices,
like I feel like you gotta pick one, you do.
I like, when you join the masons,
you gotta pick a religion.
You can't come as just, hey, I'm just whatever.
You have to pick a higher power to masons, AA.
You gotta have some type of,
because they all have patriarchs,
they all have archangels,
you know, and all of these people and things
that represent different things.
What do you feel about like that?
Do you have one or is it just open?
I'm open too, but I understand,
like this isn't definite.
I understand the power and my psyche
and what it relates to for me and other people.
What do you feel about the archetypes
and having to pick one and having a spiritual practice?
Because if not, then will I,
hey, this guy says to channel,
this guy says don't channel,
this guy says I'm talking to a demon,
This guy says I'm talking to Jesus
and there's so much confusion and chaos
when it comes to this stuff.
Which is part of the process though.
Yeah, and it's a good question.
And it's a fair point and it's like
what you just articulated with somebody
who is externalized and not not centered in themselves.
So, you know, for me, like it's an interesting discussion.
Is that a bad thing though,
is that I guess what I'm getting to?
Cause if it's working, you know what I'm saying?
Well, um, what having like a, a belief structure.
Yeah, have a structure.
Yeah.
And in other players, archetypes, this is the Jesus who, which represents love.
This is the devil, you know, this is, you know, Shiva that represents this.
And this is, you know, Vishnu who represents that.
And they're all representations of the one of this, of consciousness, of love,
of God, of death, of hatred, of bigotry.
They all they have people that we they help us to stay away from that because that represents this you know
Yeah, yeah, that's right. That's all and as long as you can understand that it is a
Representation is a symbol. It is something symbolic
And it represents a deeper thoughts in the deeper layers of the site your site
in the collective psyche and the universe of psyche.
There's nothing wrong with having kind of,
I mean, that's what a belief structure does for someone
is ideally it stabilizes their psychology
and it stabilizes their personality
and offers a baseline framework
that you can then develop the personality from within.
And eventually what happens will be that maybe this life,
maybe the afterlife, maybe some other
so-called reincarnation, they'll let that go,
and they'll use other tools to explore themselves,
to get to know themselves better.
Whereas a lot of people will fall in the trap of,
you know, oh, Jesus and the devil,
these are, these are these literal beings
and they have this model of, you know,
this really dualistic model,
heaven and hell, if I'm naughty boy, I'm gonna hell,
if I'm good, I'm gonna heaven,
suit the right hand of God on the cloud
and all this stuff and it's like, you know,
heaven is not a geographical location and hell it's not either and you know if you can't
understand this stuff at a slightly deeper level than face value as superficial appearances
then you just there's nothing wrong with that I mean that's that's just the way things are
some everyone's at their own level of understanding development the challenge that I you know
I like to challenge people to always push ahead and strive to to go another step
going on a step deeper, understand a little bit better, understand from a higher
perspective, because as you do that, you know, perspective changes everything,
perspective really is everything, you know, because ultimately the only reality,
the only model of reality that makes any sense is a pan-psychist model, you know, in essence,
the essence is the understanding that consciousness is the ground of reality, so
therefore everything is possible, everything can be manifested, everything can be
experienced but what actually serves you in your internal, you know, maturation and growth
as a self-realized being, you know, like are you taking the archetype of Jesus and externalizing
it and turning it into this dignity that you worship and is, you know, greater than you and he
needs to save you from this concept of sin which is completely made up or are you using it as,
you know, like some people do, which is as a guide, a model for you to aspire to and to become
more like that, to embody those traits and be more, you know, so-called Christ-like. That's
useful. I mean, as long as you understand that that's a symbol and that's something that
it's fine to work with symbols. That's what we've been doing for hundreds of thousands of years and
nothing's really changed.
So would you say that it's kind of like we're even with religion?
I mean, it's obvious what's going on.
It's like we've literalized the archetypes and the myths
and the allegories and their powerful allegories,
their strong archetypes, their amazing myths.
If you dissect them the right way and apply those principles to your life,
so do you think that we all of religion, whether it's Christianity or Hindu
wisdom or Islam or whatever, especially some of the more, you know, I'm saying militant religions.
You think that that's where the pitfall is. It's when we embody these as literal entities or
tenets or and things like that. When it's an allegory. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. When you literalize,
you lose the essence of the message. You lose it completely. You know, it's like you can read the
the Bible as a historical document. But if you do, you lose the whole
mystical essence, which is the whole point of the document. So yeah, it's
really, you know, it's education and it's the trap for a lot of people is just
that they don't have, it's like when you're not aware and you're not aware
that you're not aware, you're vulnerable to whatever, you know, you're open,
you're vulnerable, you can be manipulated,
you might take on an idea and then you turn your idea
into a dogma, you turn your model of reality
into a dogma that can never be questioned,
you can't be expanded on.
And that's a really, that's a really
startifying limiting place to be.
So I'm just someone who, I don't really have
a belief structure.
So I guess, you know, I have to be transparent
and say, I actually, I can't do it.
Like for my purposes and my, like the function
here to serve on the planet is to show people like the highest possible level of perspective
that I can access and then here it is like take what you want from this and then you know
help people climb the mountain with me you know as I'm climbing the mountain but I feel like
those are a step I feel like those you talk about climbing the mountain there's steps in climbing
when you go up a ladder or ascend there's steps that say hey here's the like you wouldn't just
pick them up and let them skip these steps like you have whether it's the book or whether it's this
there are these things that again work for you, whether it is the meditation or whether
even those things or like these practices that we teach and they become, I wouldn't say dogmatic
but it's a structure, it's something that's repeatable and obviously Christianity or some of the
other religions have done a better job at or just a more of an ancient, more primitive people
at saying that this is the way but eventually there are these other archetypes or religions
or ideas or new age or whatever that becomes like these are the steps you know don't do this don't
do that I mean even Crowley had his stuff you know you know what I'm saying all of these occultists
and people who even explored deep realms of consciousness come back with some steps like this is
what you do and this is what you don't do kind of thing right like I feel like that is still
like even organically part of your structure even because you do it every day like listen I don't
don't want to skip this, I need to do this.
This helps me ground, this helps me do this.
I want to take ayahuasca.
I want to do psilocybin.
Like these are part of our religious,
I mean there's literally religions and cults built
upon these things and they have tenants.
You need a shaman, you need this,
you don't question a shaman, he's going to help you,
get through it.
You know what I'm saying?
So these structures and things that are,
we need it, I feel like we need it.
And so, but you don't feel like you have any structure,
It's just like, I'm, I guess even if it's your own that you made up, you know what I'm saying?
I have, well, like, for example, with the, the DNA activation stuff in, in the
involved yourself program, that's, that's more about giving people a
transformative experience. So it is, there is a structure inside of that, that
is designed to produce, you know, a transformative experience, a healing
experience, an evolutionary experience, a trigger so that they don't have to come back and
repeat that same level. So, you know, maybe five months later when they come back and we do
the second ceremony which is a completely different thing which takes you into a different
phase of your journey and then, you know, I'm not giving someone homework like do this
meditation, do that meditation because I'm not doing it myself. My life is, you know,
my life is about embodying the truths that I have
that have a lot of time.
But at the same time, if it worked for you,
like you are like mapping out what worked for you though.
And like paying it forward, I hate this work.
Like why wouldn't you tell them to try the Wim Hof method
or whatever it is, you know what I'm saying?
Because it worked for you and it's a beautiful practice.
Am I looking too deep into it or what?
Yeah, I don't know if I'm just using an example.
Well, I, I, I rate the Wim Hof method actually just in, it's
definitely, it's really good.
I like, I do like certain things like, okay, so if you want to talk
about like routines and that kind of stuff, like yeah, yeah,
structural stuff.
But that's what the rituals are, the routines you do it, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, like, like for me, I've gotten into a little bit of a habit,
like habits, habits is really the key word, I think habits, you know,
something that I look at is, you know, are you forming a habit that's going
and support you and expand you nourish you
or are you just running on habits unconsciously
that don't serve any purpose.
So I like to get up in the morning,
usually I'll do a little bit of movement,
just to loosen up, open the hips up, open the legs up,
you know, open the back up.
Go, I might go outside and I might do some 30 or 40 breaths,
standing in the sun, you know, of wind off breathing, you know,
just some, just a quick session of breath.
We're just, flood the system with oxygen, all this stuff.
So at the moment, like my early morning,
normally would look something like that
because that's the stuff that sort of sets me up
to just feel good and functional
to go into the rest of the day.
And, you know, you can stretch your day however you want.
Like I've had structure about how to, you know,
this block of time and this block of time
and all that sort of stuff,
but you know, people find not worse than them.
Yeah, and that's what I'm saying to just like paint,
like I don't want to say paying it forward,
but just like whether it's mapping out
or giving someone a plan, even like,
because that's what's working again.
Hey, this is what I do.
And I say that it's not like being dogmatic
or trying to force it on somebody,
but people need structure, man.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, look at like drug addicts and, you know,
even prison and stuff like that.
Like, I know people who, they flourish in prison.
They need to be told when to eat.
They need to be told when to go to sleep.
you know they need to be so there's this even so that's where religion comes in
you need to be told how to pray you need to be told how to commune
you need to be told how to go within or at least taught
you know but some people told and so i think that's where literally like religion
means to bind or to hold back
and some people need restraints that they just they have never had
passed down they were never taught they've never shown self-control so
some of these structures as far as i hate do this in the morning wake up
stare at the sun you know what I'm saying like take a couple breaths and so like even just that
If you do it, if you do it like 30 days straight if it comes a religious routine even if it's not religion
It becomes a routine or ritual my morning ritual is this I get my coffee
I get my donut I listen to the physical podcast like like what did it what is it?
You know what I'm saying so I think it's healthy
You know especially when it is good stuff that's building you up and
And I'm like encouraging you to seek encouraging you to go within
Encouraging you to ask the bigger questions and then tying it back into consciousness like listen you
Like this isn't like if you break these tenants. It's okay
There's more you can add or you can take away like these are things that that help and stuff and maybe I'm looking too deep into
Like you know the structure and just the we just did a episode about the power of like ritual and nostalgia and like those kind of things that it helps people
You know, yeah
Yeah, it does and that's fair. That's a fair thing you said it to because it really is and there are you know, like
There are people in all sorts of places in their lives
And like you said, there are some people who need to be told when to eat and when to go to sleep. Yeah, like that is true
That's not where I live. So it's hard for me to be mindful of that and think you know to incorporate those kinds of people into my my thinking
But there are people like, there are a lot of very troubled people out there.
We live in a very traumatized civilization.
So, you know, you write like rituals and habits and routines give us an anchorage point of orientation
to then organize ourselves and organize the psyche around that and then go out from there.
So, if you intentionally create those rituals intentionally choose those habits,
it's very, it's a very empowering thing.
definitely don't at all negate the power of habit and power of routine if you have created
them intentionally for sure and you know once you do like you internalize it once it's a habit
it's internalized and it probably isn't invisible to you you don't even realize you're doing it
like me wanting to get up and standing the sun and breathe is kind of like just what happens now so
these things are great like whatever it is that serves you to expand and deepen your self-awareness
and to be a better version of you, like, go for it.
If you've found something that's working, do it.
And just be mindful of, at a mental level,
like, be mindful of opportunities to continue
in expanding, continue seeking,
and understanding things at a deeper level
at a high level.
That's good.
I'm with your man.
And you talk about near-death experiences
and stuff like that.
And so I know you study it.
You hear people's stories and stuff.
As far as you have you had that type of encounter
with a near-death experience?
I'm never having any, no, no.
I've had like a mystical sort of unharmed,
non-traumatic stuff.
Well, that's the next question.
If you sense you've never had it,
are we facilitating them coming near death
on five grams or more of psilocybin or something like that?
You know, it feels very similar to what they're talking about.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think there's a lot.
A lot of people have said, ketamine is, in particular,
like a really close, well, I don't know,
a way to have a near-death experience, basically.
So yeah, I think there's some really interesting things
that you can do under appropriate conditions
and circumstances.
And you know, I definitely, like, I've done high doses
of mushrooms, I mean, it's not,
if you're listening to this out there,
it's not a toy, like, do not go into that lightly,
preferably go into it with someone who's experienced
and who is not taking the mushrooms while you are.
And do your homework, so you know what to expect
if it's not so, so fun.
Because like, yeah, going in again,
it's like psychic amplifier, psychological amplifiers,
like taking a humongous magnifying glass
to your own psyche and being able to look back at it.
And everything's turned up, you know,
the volume's turned up to 11 on everything.
And it's like, if you're not having a great day
or a great, you're not a great point in your life,
and that experience can be, you can be dropped into that
and it's like, you just stuck there until it's over.
So it's not, it's not always the best thing ever,
but if you do have a great experience,
it's like, beautiful transcendent words kind of even describe,
I mean, the last session I had was so abstract,
there was no, nothing that even vaguely resemble form
of any sort whatsoever is hyper abstract,
but it was absolutely phenomenal.
So, you know, in the integrated period, in the aftermath,
you can learn a lot about yourself if you take the time
to think about it and reflect on it.
They are definitely tools.
I don't have structure around it using that stuff as such.
I like micro-dosing, by the way, in micro-dosing,
the really cool thing.
So, very small doses on a consistent basis.
There's another habit for you guys.
If you want to have it, it's a routine.
That's an awesome one.
Micro-doses.
Yeah.
I feel like, so with that, with a lot of stuff we've been talking about and you're
meant to consciousness a lot and just, you know, going in, do you think that tools like
still aside and those kind of things are just allowing you to explore your own consciousness
and like a deeper way is all of that like within you and within the universe, like those
kind of, that concept that is like, it's not little, like the mushrooms like giving you
do access or pass to these deeper states of consciousness that exist within you and without
you at the same time? Or is it all within? Like, I want to put words in your mouth.
Yeah, I know. It's a good question. And it's sort of semantics as well because, you know,
without is within, you know, if you understand the psyche is the only reality and I'll
mean that in the broader sense. I don't mean that the thing, you know, you're brain
and you're skull. I mean, the nature of all reality infinitely is consciousness. So that's
that's the container. There is no container in a sense. It's like everything is theoretically
possible, everything manifests somewhere in some place somehow. And all that, after
life, the stuff, the afterlife stuff we've been talking about, you know, I just wanted
to be clear that putting on listening, I'm not at all negating the fact that consciousness
survives the death of the physical body. It's just that when you talk about in and out,
it's like those terms don't really have any meaning at a certain threshold. It's kind
all the same. Ultimately, everything's contained in this transpersonal psyche. So you talk
about having experiences on mushrooms and you can have contact with the spirits of deceased
family members. I mean, that happens that happened to my brother, no longer. He saw or communicated
at least saw our grandfather who we had never actually had a chance to meet. He died
when I was 11 and my brother was three years yet to be born. So he actually had that contact
with him in his ayahuasca session. So yeah, there's a lot that you can do with altered states
and consciousness. We're not trapped in our own personal, little, solid, cystic bubbles. We
are part of this integrated, transpersonal field where, you know, I can connect with you
telepathically. I can venture into the afterlife and meet my grandpa, you know, like all this stuff
is available to us if we want to do it, sure.
Now, with that, again, exploring the psyche, do you think that that really was your grandfather
or was it just the essence or the hope of wanting to someday meet him that it's planted
somewhere in the psyche, or does it, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter, right?
Because it's still the same experience for the individual.
you leave there with closure, you leave there with a hope of, you know, that we continue.
I mean, there's so much that's imparted to you in your psyche that there isn't afterlife.
Even if there isn't, you being okay with death now because I know where we go when we die.
And we're okay.
There's so much that's imparted to you.
But as far as it being really grandpa, obviously, do you think it matters or was it really
him?
What would you say to that?
I think the person having the experience has to be the one to answer probably, we can only assess things based on the information and the evidence.
So, case by case is how I like to approach things because it's like, could well, excuse me, could well have been.
Like that's entirely possible, it's a field of information and consciousness that gets
interpreted by your sensory system in the form of, you know, a physical appearance, you
know, humanoid looking, being, and, you know, that's just the way that it makes sense
for that intelligence to present itself to our consciousness while we're still anchored
in a human body, you know, we're still tuned to the human body system, and that's
what makes sense to us.
So, I think there's an intelligent interaction there, if it is a real contact, and there's
a lot of our life research experiments with mediums and all sorts of things that indicate
really strongly that we are capable of interacting with dead people, and it's just a completely
natural fact of life.
So, yeah, absolutely, could well have been that, and like I say, the survival of consciousness
thing is very, very evidentially based. You know, there's no reason to look at that as an article of
religious faith or something that we've just plucked out of the air to make ourselves feel better.
The evidence for it is there and it's very strong. Yeah, that's one of the things that even in,
you know, from some of the religious, I say religious, Christian-based spiritual movement,
So there's, I guess we'll call some type of Christian mystic, if you will.
And so they're really big on a lot of different studies or science even dealing with the
paranormal or sound or consciousness, if you will, like really proving some of the things that
they've believed throughout antiquity, right? Because somebody's just passed down throughout the
Bible or whatever, and many other holy books. And so it's like explaining a lot of the stuff,
whether it is the afterlife or whether it is the power of sound and vibration and words and
things like that. So I really I love those experiments and whenever science and spirituality collide
and it proves some of some of these things. And for me, I think that the paranormal and, you know,
the psychic realms and some of these things, I feel like they prove the existence of an afterlife,
right, of something that continues. Now that's even fun to explore, whether it's just some
type of record or an echo that's just there playing over and over because it was a traumatic
death when someone encounters a ghost or something, if you will. But just to explore that,
for some, I feel like this is this big, I've been listening to a lot of Mike Tyson lately on
his podcast and he talks a lot about you know many people just trying to make sense of death
and that's just what we're doing. We're trying to like prolong our death. I mean the elite
are literally trying to do it with all types of weird technologies and freezing their brains
and pumping blood of young people like taking their blood out and putting younger blood in them
like crazy far out stuff putting machines in your head and becoming one with you know robots and
and stuff like that.
It's just inevitable escape of death.
And maybe it's the fear of that consciousness dies
versus the body dying.
Like I'm okay with my body dying,
but consciousness dying is scary, you know?
And so religion and all of these things
kind of help us cope with it.
Even again, the paranormal, the afterlife,
the ayahuasca, the mushrooms, hey, listen,
I've been to where we're going when we die.
I mean, I've said that and I feel that,
like, which has something to do with our consciousness
with the all, with the one, it doesn't look like it does here,
but I feel like we're trying to explain or escape
or we're just biting time for that big transition with death.
Yeah, a lot of it is.
And it's okay to identify that though, right?
I mean, it's not like you're weak for saying
that you're still scared or have questions, you know?
No, I mean, I go through, I've gone through phases
of like different levels of certainty,
different levels of confidence in that idea,
even though I've got all the mystical grounding,
the direct experience that you possibly have,
or like need, and all the research
at an academic book learning level.
But I still look at that critically and question everything,
all the conclusions that I've reached,
all of the whole viewpoint.
But it's interesting, there's so many angles
can approach it from and there's been a lot of some very very interesting experiments done
on after life research by Gary Schwartz. I do mention this in my second book which I'm working on
where the experiments were done with with mediums and it was you know partly predicated on mediums
being accurate and actually having the abilities that they think they have but the key to the
The experiment was that the discounted entity was actually essentially running it.
They were the key.
If there was no discounted intelligent entity in the afterlife, whatever you want to call
it, then the experiment could not have succeeded.
So they would rely on this theoretical or postulated being who is not physical to actually
get this experiment to work and they succeeded on repeatedly to get these experiments with
mediums and communication working. So there were like double-blinded triple-blinded experiments
where the experiment didn't know what was happening, the mediums didn't know what was
happening. All about if these spirits are real, the only way that's the only way this experiment
is going to work if they're real and can communicate intelligently and understand what we're
doing and participate in it in a dynamic adaptive kind of way, so that they're not just an echo
of the past, they're not just this thing that's being replayed mindlessly, it is actually an intelligence
there. So, you know, I mean, one of many interesting strands of research that supports the idea that
consciousness survives. And you know, if you think of reality as a lucid dream, or as a psychological
state like people don't think of you and I sitting here talking, excuse me. They don't think
of this as the experience of a particular kind of consciousness. This is a state of consciousness
that we can interact in and a state of consciousness in which the physical body and physical
reality seems real, appears to be real. You know, I remember Robert Munrom made a very interesting
statement in one of his books which was, you know, he was the western pioneer of the
out of body experience. And one of the things he said as a result, these travels out of body was
that, you know, in order to have this experience that we are having, in a body, you have to first,
as an entity, you have to agree the time and space actually exists and then kind of insert
yourself into the video game and then play along as one of the characters. So it's, you know,
it's just perspective. Yeah. Um, well, I like the fact that you said, uh, that they were double blinded
and, and, uh, placebo's, um, just because like, my mind immediately goes to back to consciousness
and creating your reality and creating that response that you wanted, like, whether it is a
topah, right? A created entity that you're like, we're trying to contact this entity, whether it
is a deceased loved one, whether whoever. I mean, most of the time in those cases, I would say it
was a deceased person. I've been in this question like years ago when I was
real deep into the occult and doing a lot of practices and stuff like that like a
lot of weird meditations and stuff. I got into like the pendulum stuff of
like holding the pendulum up and what the pendulum for me was they said you
needed an object close to you so I would use my necklace. I would hold the
necklace, and I would ask questions. And so most of the time, I feel like like it would
move, like literally, I would hold it as still. And I'm trying, because I'm trying to prove
this to myself that it is this real is this something I could trust. And so I would hold
it as still as I could. And I would ask a question. And then it would go back and forth for
for no in this way, for yes and no. And it would move. And then it would stop after the
question was done. Now that, and for me, it was, it was into spirits
controlling it. It was demons, maybe, or whatever one had to
communicate. I don't know what it was. But now when I, and it was
even one experiment, what I did, I would put some old
Marilyn Manson music on that started off real slow and got
really fast and really heavy. And I would ask it to move in a
circle. And it would go be spinning really fast. And I would do it
that's a party trick.
You know, we get everybody and say,
hey man, we'll show y'all something and we do it.
And literally I'm holding it, I'm not doing it.
And so I guess back then it was like,
okay, the spirit was communicating with me
or whatever or a spirit, whatever.
But then now I'm like, I kind of knew
which way I wanted it to go in my mind.
So now I'm looking at this as some type
of telekinetic energy that I was controlling
the whole time with my mind.
Even though I gave it a persona,
if you will, I gave it an archetype as a demon,
or it's a spirit, or whatever, to move this.
Can you move this spirit?
And then I've seen the spirit moving it in my head.
But it's like, was I really, really using my own telepathic
energies to move it?
Because when I would ask it, yes or no,
I think I would kind of maybe try to push it maybe.
I don't know.
And yes or no.
And then definitely when it's in that going in a circle,
I'm envisioning it, can you do it?
Can you move it in a circle?
Come on, move it in a circle.
And I'm like communicating, and then it just starts,
what about those type of things?
But what would you say?
Can both be real at the same time?
Could there be a reality where sometimes it was a demon
or entity and other times it was me
with my own telekinetic energy?
What would you say to something like that?
Yeah, I think both possible.
There was an interesting study done,
I was quite detailed where, sorry, I'm just going to get rid of this thing off of this screen here.
Excuse me, one second, brother.
Okay, yeah, so there was an experiment where a group of researchers got together.
They were all into parapsychology and they thought it would be a worthy experiment to try to create an entity using their intention and as a group.
group. And so then see if they could get parapsyphological phenomena to happen under control
conditions. And they call, they call their hypothetical entity fuel. And so, yeah, they
did actually through the group pumping their psychic energy into this idea, like this kind
of way. So I think briefly as they managed to create physical effects, like they got rapping
on tables, they go at various phenomena that would normally be viewed as, you know, psychic,
parapsychological and entities here. But in that case, that was a classic example of
a group that had actually intentionally gone about creating their own entity out of nothing.
So their own thought form, essentially, thought form being, which is something that we do.
We've always done it. As soon as you imagine something, it exists as a thought form. And if
millions of people imagine it and it exists as a much more powerful, stable thought form with a lot
more sustenance behind it. And to the point where it can become autonomous is even, and that's
a potential for any thought form that gets created. So yeah, you just have to look at it case by case
because everything is possible virtually. Yeah, that's interesting man. Again, hence, you know,
Jesus or hence any entity that we've repeatedly went to. There had to be a time where that started
and it was just a group of guys like, hey man, we need to make this thing. We need to make it real.
I need you to give testimonies. I need you to make up stories about your encounters with this
entity. Joseph Smith even, in my book I talk about how the majority of these so-called religions
are birthed out of so-called angelic contact with, you know, Muhammad in the cave and meeting in
angel and Joseph Smith meeting in angel and even the New Testament Paul is on it riding a freaking
horse and Jesus appears to him as light knocks him off and so it's like these angelic encounters
that formed these religions or these people to have some type of life-changing experience whether
they made them up, whether they made that up and it just became the thing and they had other people
but with them, and it just caught on,
which could happen, which does happen for sure.
Or if it was real, like if they really encountered
these angels, it's a very, very interesting thing
to look into, but I mean, the more you say it,
the more you believe it, it becomes real
and takes a life of its own.
I guess if we even look at religion,
if Jesus like really existed,
like he definitely didn't have in mind
what Christianity has become,
and other people getting a hold of it evolved this thing
and corrupted your total, corrupted that spirit
that was beautiful.
Maybe to certain people, for some people it's not corrupted,
it's beautiful and they love it, you know,
but it's just, I guess the beauty in that case
is in the eye of the beholder,
whether with your spirits, you know,
I talk about spirit contact all the time,
you know, trying to contact what spirits are in these houses
or uncle, so-and-so, like most of the time,
when we look at our ancestors
and I love the terminology of our ancestors watching over us,
My ancestors were drug addicts and pimps, man.
They beat their wives, they were slave owners,
like these aren't, I don't feel like a good people
that we need to be trying to reach out
to to get information about how to live life.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, so people are like, is there any spirits here?
What if that spirit was a pedophile that's in your house
and you're like trying to reach out and channel these entities?
And so again, there's some pitfalls and things
when it comes to dealing with some of these energies, you know?
absolutely, absolutely and you know it's like you say like with the example of a pedophile like
the troubled the more troubled humans are the ones who tend to remain earthbound
you know they're the ones who are especially the ones who are like pathologically coming around
all the movies they're about down yeah yeah they hang around and they don't want to they're
They're not interested in, like, guidance or, you know, these, if you read this book, you might have read it, um, uh, 30 years, uh, car with one 30 years with the dad or something like that.
Yeah, somebody just talked about that on the last episode for sure.
Yeah, I mean, there's some really interesting exchanges and passages in that because his wife was a medium and she would channel these spirits ostensibly, and they would share some very interesting things.
sharing very interesting things about some of the
recals, the criminal spirits who remained earthbound
and didn't want the input, didn't want the guidance,
didn't want to go into the afterlife, didn't want to go
into the light and leave the earth plane.
And they talked about dragging them away to be,
putting to a quarantined against their will
because they were so disruptive and so unruly,
they wouldn't listen so it was like,
well, we can't have you running around creating chaos
and running a market anymore.
So we've got to put you in the naughty corner kind of thing
until you sort of straighten yourself up.
So yeah, it's a, it's a menagerie, I think.
Well, I think that's where the heaven and hell stuff comes from,
you know, of this judgment that's looming.
And I think, I even, I even have a hope for a judgment, right?
Of like Indiana, everything being right it wrongs.
And whether that is a holding place
and somewhere that you go to to be purged
for the wrong that you did
or you have to learn the lessons.
And not like some eternal punishment,
But like, you know, what would they say?
Like I've heard something like hell for Hitler
would be like him having to apologize
and see that the damage that he caused
and what he did and having to talk to the people
and stuff like that.
Like, I mean, I know it's like fixing,
but like the apocalypse of Peter,
like talks about Peter goes in the detail
about the types of wickedness that you did on the earth
in the afterlife, those demons or entities will do that to you
if you were raping people.
You're going to get raped by these grotesque demons.
If you killed somebody or shot them,
you're going to keep replaying that over and over.
Maybe until you serve out a sentence,
I would hope that there would just be a time period to where,
okay, you're released, you've learned your lesson,
you've accepted love.
I really do feel like love plays a huge role
in this conscious collective thing
about learning how to love others
and ascending higher, right?
You talk about the lower level entities or the stuff that people have done that earthbound
it's usually negative hatred, you know, earth, like lower level stuff and so it's this
ascension process to accept love, to walk in forgiveness, to minister forgiveness and
those things.
I mean, I really feel like whatever supreme consciousness if we call it God or whatever
that through those plant journeys and stuff, it's trying to teach us very similar experiences
is about love and about living in the moment
and being in the now and understanding our art.
That this is short, like this plate,
this is 70 years if you're lucky,
kind of thing, like being in the now,
being in the moment, taste chocolate.
Go swim in the ocean because where you're going,
it's not that, you know what I'm saying, that kind of thing.
And so that makes me, that makes me scared of death too,
honestly, like just with the small stuff
that I'm not gonna be able to swim in the ocean no more.
I'm not gonna be able to tell my friends jokes anymore.
You know what I'm saying?
Like just the little stuff that we take for granted
that I love, that I enjoy, that it's not gonna be here,
at least we're gonna exist differently
versus whether you believe in reincarnation
and coming back or going to another realm
that is totally different, maybe it's somewhat similar
and another earth type planet or,
I mean, there's so many different theories
and so many different things that can happen,
but I don't think there's any place
quite that's gonna be quite like this existence,
which I think I spent the majority of my life loathing,
not in the majority now, I'm on the other side,
but loathing and wanting to die
and wanting to cause chaos and confusion
and hurt people and corrupt.
And now I've crafted a life that I enjoy
and I love and I can't wait to wake up
and get started and have conversations like this
and be with my family and go bike riding.
And just a little small things that I love life so much
has put me in this place to where I don't want to lose it.
So when we're talking about the elite who maybe are scared to lose their wealth or what
they've achieved, they're trying to like live forever, um, I kind of feel that too.
Like now that I've, I've built a life that I love and I enjoy, I don't want to leave
it.
It's going to be sour.
It's going to be sad to I don't even coming back through reincarnation.
I don't want to even do that.
I don't want to come back with another family and new kids and a new wife or be a drunkard
on the street.
Like I don't want to experience those things because like I'm in the moment and I love
of this moment that I've created and I've been present in,
it's a fear to lose that, to change any of that.
Maybe it's even the stability there that I've created
that I'm scared to lose that, but it's inevitable.
It is the fear of the inevitable.
That's going to happen.
Like I'm going to have to say goodbye in this form anyway.
But it's scary, you know, I'm scared of it.
I don't want to do it.
Well, if death is the great equalizing, you know,
we're all gonna be, our bodies are all gonna end up dust
one way or another and that's just the way that's the game we signed up for.
This is the journey that we signed up for and you know we know in advance these are
the rules and we know you know how it goes and how it plays out and you know if
it's any consolation for anyone listening and I can say that you know when
people have near-death experiences as an example a lot of those people will
telling you emphatically that that moment of actually dying was the greatest thing that
ever happened to the most amazing, the most beautiful. And you know, not just because they were
often connected, reconnected with loved ones, you know, who passed already, but just because the
sheer expansion and the beauty of that process of, because what the body does is it shrinks
you, it shrinks your consciousness, it lifts it, it limits it. So all of a sudden you get disconnected
from this limiting factor, this filter. Take the filter away and your experience of reality becomes
radically different. And those people, you know, they rave about it. They can't wait to reach
the other side again. So what we're not seeing here is the other side of the coin, which is the
beauty of what he's waiting for us on the other side of this. You know, the other part of the
journey where the journey does continue. There's a little bit slightly different format.
Yeah, I mean, that's the hope, you know what I'm saying?
The hope is that it continues.
And even the consciousness thing is that like that you are in essence, that I'm not just
blended with 17 people, or going back to become a part of the one, which I really feel
like that's going to be something similar.
But to be even having a name and identity on the other side, I don't, I want to believe
it.
I just, I really don't at the end of the day, like I feel like we're going to go back
And it's not going to continue on like this.
I even like thoughts and stuff.
And what scares me with this.
I don't want to be a downer on this stuff,
but these are just things for us to work through
because other people have these thoughts too.
The whole consciousness continuing on outside of the brain,
when I look at Alzheimer's and I look at dementia
and people who go, you know, maybe 10 years or so
at the end of their life and they don't remember anything
or anyone and just to think that when they die,
they pop out like oh wow I had to shake that off man that body I couldn't even
couldn't talk for 10 years I forgot everyone I didn't know who you were and
then it comes back when you die like for me it's it's hard to you know it's
hard to believe that that they just pop back into who they were kind of thing
I watched this this documentary yesterday it was a short interview with this
family in Virginia who was like inbred and most of them couldn't even talk
They're clicking and making dog noises and stuff and like just to understand that their
existence and maybe when they pop back in the consciousness that they'll get to kind of have
a right brain.
But what the hell is a right brain?
Is it mine?
Is my consciousness?
Is it because they're not like me, that kind of thing, you know, and just these questions,
you know?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you know, these are these are questions will probably haunt us
You know, like this is this is it like a lot of the literature talks about this this some veil of forgetting that we
Pass through to in order to be in a body in the first place
We forget where we came from to get our heritage and the rest of what we are
So that we can play this game in this this role and do it, you know
in earnest a minute and get the full experience from it because if we knew it was
you know a game we wouldn't maybe take it as seriously we wouldn't get the
growth we wouldn't get the full experience out of it. Yeah I definitely can say
you know I've just been literally thousands of hours studying the question of
what happens when you dial up what happens when consciousness does not have a
brain to rely on anymore is clearly that it continues in an enhanced state, rather than
being a limited one.
If you think about the people with Alzheimer's, as you mentioned, consciousness operating
through a broken tuning system, a broken physical medium is going to be impaired, but the body
itself is a form of impairment in the sense of it's shrinking and contracting the natural state
of consciousness. So if you eliminate that from the equation, the restoration of consciousness is
is instant. It's like, you know, we see entities, people who have like birth defects, you know,
injuries and what and what have you. And when they come out of their body, they have a self-image
studies perfectly healed and perfectly whole. You know, and there's like references in the Bible to
this kind of thing, like people interpreted it as this is the spiritual body that they talk about.
And that's true to a point that is the truth of what happens as far as evidence is available to us
to communicate. And there's quite a lot of it. So it's a really interesting journey. I focus very
heavily on that in the second book, which I'm finishing in the process of working on. So hopefully
I'll get it out next year, early next year, in the plan. That's awesome man. Again, I think the
the paranormal, I think the supernatural for me that those fears, it really
quiets those fears for me. It helps me understand those fears that they're, you
know, it's legit. And I think that many people have different fears, whether
even if like, and we have different ways to cope with it, for me again, would
be paranormal spirituality to cope with that stuff and kind of reason through
it. Most people, they just put it on the back burner and just try not to think
about it. Like, so they feel like they're gonna live forever. Most of us live
life and without even thinking about death, it's how it's going to be forever and then
when someone dies or when someone things change or spouse cheats on you and your situation
changes or whatever, then they get thrown in this frenzy or this whirlwind.
So I think that just being present, man, I think that again, the spirituality and the
plant medicine really communicate those messages and wanting to step into manifestation
whether it's dealing with the psyche on how to tell yourself, yes, and this is the game
plan, and we're going to stick with it, dealing with manifestation deals with being in the
present moment.
And so that's one of the biggest keys that I think that it seems simple, but it's deep.
You know what I'm saying?
To remain present in the moment and those kind of things.
And so, man, I really enjoy talking with you, bro.
You got some programs, you got books and a lot of cool stuff.
Go ahead and plug your website, man, let people know where they can check out your work
and you've got some free courses and stuff like that too, right? Some programs?
Yeah, thanks, man. I guess so, yeah. If you want to see the book, the writing, the blog,
that's BrendanDmap.com, and if people are interested in, excuse me, if people are interested
in the D&A activation stuff, the transformative experience, the evolutionary side of things,
then I do have a free masterclass, which is you can find that at involveyourself.live.
So that's a pretty nice class and that will show you what it's all about, what it
how it works and what I'm doing with people.
This month in July will be the last time that we run, evolve yourself as it currently
exists.
So definitely encourage people to get into it before we, it is going to evolve yourself
as evolving.
So I'm changing it, changing it up for the future, it may not be quite as accessible.
And I'm not saying that as a marketing player actually will probably not be quite as accessible.
So you check out the free mask class, check out the book,
friend of mine if you don't comments
where you'll find my writing.
And yeah, you'll enjoy the chat bro, thanks for having me on.
Yeah, man, thanks again for coming on.
Thanks for staying up late, waking up early,
to come on and to change the schedule,
Amanda, to talk with me.
I really enjoyed it, bro.
And I'll send you everything when it's up, man.
Thanks again.
Really enjoy this conversation, bro.
Thanks, mate.
You take it easily and we'll chat again soon.
Hi, brother.
Many blessings.
Thanks, mate.
Shalom, peace.
Brendan Murphy, ladies and gentlemen, good discussion, open and honest.
You know, a lot of people don't want to talk about death, man, but again, that's why we talk about
the beauty, you know what I'm saying, the contrast of it all. And again, I have a lot of
mystic friends, a lot of Christian mystic friends, and a lot of Hindu type people who,
you know, their way to escape death is the fact that they think that they're going to live forever.
like in this body. Like not that your soul or your spirit continues forever. So I believe that, right?
But that your body continues forever. Your persona that you
gets renewed. You're not growing older. You're growing younger. They're going to get younger. You're going to
maybe I don't know if it's some people believe that to be tied in a breatharianism. You got to
learn how to eat the sun and breathe and just not cut out food that your food is killing you.
So many different weird analogies, but the more I read the Scriptures, man, the more I'm like it's about it's about like dying
I guess about it's trying to explain death to you and give you hope that Christ is as defeated death and so
I don't know why but I always think about that. You know, I know I'm mentioning that a lot and
You know if it's a form of escapism, but again like if it's helping you
you know if it's helping you then who am I who am I who am I the judge because then again I've I've never died so I don't know you might be right I might be wrong the weird thing is I hope I'm wrong for for for your sake you know what I'm saying but again if that if you go to your grave and that's how you it helped you become a better person and helped you not live in fear of death like me.
I like to talk about these things like you know what I'm saying like true secret fears death in that's what's the fear that look
I fear a lot of stuff man. There's healthy fears
Like if I didn't fear death then that I think that it would
Wouldn't like cause me to be cautious about
Situations where you could die
You know what I'm saying protect your neck be careful
You know that's healthy fears out there man and so hold your stuff together
So whatever's helping you make sense of all this stuff, then I'm for it.
If it's a religious practice, if it's a spiritual practice, if it's plant medicine, if
it's the lack thereof, I'm for it.
I don't care.
You know, I like to talk about it, let's talk about it.
Ask the hard questions, and that's how we get to the answers, man.
Getting to the bottom of it, asking the deeper questions that you were told not to ask
or don't worry about that.
God, I'll tell you when you get to heaven, like those are the questions you should be
asking.
They're in your for a reason.
come to the right place. Hey, thanks for hanging out with this man. I really enjoyed this podcast.
Hope you did too. Again, one of the books that was mentioned, Brendan has his book. So make sure
you go to his website, check out his stuff. I'll link it in the description. But another book that
was mentioned twice in the last two podcasts, which is interesting, got to pay attention to the
synchronicities, 30 years of the dead or 30 years of 30 years with the dead. I think it is. Check
that out. That's when I'm going to be putting into order very soon as well because it's coming
up as a meme for me. I definitely yesterday I ordered the screw tape letters because that's
when it's been coming up that I should have been read and so I'll put that in yesterday. So that's
going to be coming in. I'm going to check that one out. But yeah, if you got signs and synchronicities,
the funny thing is people listening to this podcast, you have so many signs. You have so many
synchronicities that are popping up for you and inner things that I'm not even aware of, you know,
and their words that have been spoken and things that have been said that you've been hearing for
years or maybe the last week or maybe just today you've heard a phrase or a term several times.
Pay attention to that. Pay attention to that. That is consciousness. That is God trying to get
your attention. That is a breadcrumb from the Creator. I believe that. With that, I'm going to say
piece in Shalom. Thank you guys, all the names that are scrolling across the bottom if you're watching
this on YouTube. If you're listening to this on the podcasting apps and your support and man,
thank you guys for all the support. There's no way I can name all of you guys. The interesting thing,
the beautiful thing is that the community and the supporters are at it all time high. I'm trying to
to get to 200 supporters. I think we have 168 right now, 163 maybe, something like that,
but and it's at the first of the month where usually everybody falls off. You know what I'm saying,
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stick around and I think so much guys with that I'm saying peace and
shalom we'll do it again very soon peace peace