Biblical Divination: Casting Lots, Urim and Thummim and Intuition | D.W. Prudence | TruthSeekah
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is Daniel prudence Daniel welcome to the
true seeker podcast my friend how are
you I'm great how are you
oh man I'm doing doing pretty good yep
considering you know all the confusion
and chaos that's in the world right now
so uh John yeah to bring some peace and
trying to be a light in the midst of the
darkness and chaos man so hopefully we
could talk about some of that stuff how
to be a light how to channel that light
as well yeah well I had done some
studies on a biblical divination running
across that word in the Bible seeing
what it really means and then running
across it in the Old Testament just
doing a word study divination I know we
read about it in a New Testament in the
book of Acts it's like says this lady
had a spirit of divination in a New
Testament so in Christendom that's what
we're told that divination is a spirit
that comes upon you and it's a demonic
entity yeah that's what we're told but I
started doing this word study on it and
finding out that like Joseph bragged
about being able to perform divination
Moses lot and you can find out the
secrets of God by tapping into what the
Bible calls divination and all these men
of God and godly people we're using it
and we look into casting of lots since I
hold on you know so so doing this study
is like man it's not what we've been
told this whole word divination it's got
this negative connotation on it and
that's not the case at all so I started
doing my study
putting some videos together and
teachings and stuff like that then I had
a friend of mine who does a lot of
psychic readings and psychic cards and
stuff and dealing with the Tarot and
there's a bunch of people who deal with
that but I found these like on the
internet it's looking like Christian
tarot cards or something like that so I
found these uh deck of cards here called
the Tarot of the Most High and yes you
you did you create these yes that that's
actually an older version we got the new
ones like this now so it's easier to
read the scripture and stuff that's on
it then that original version and
updated the colors and stuff a little
bit and I also wrote the book that
Alchemist Nick would Pat Tarot and
that's published by ship or publishing
we got to get your book because that
looks interesting too I love that stuff
yeah we'll try it out about these cards
and I was uh I was doing uh because I'm
trying to find out for myself is this
something that a Christian someone you
know judeo-christian you know could get
into is it taboo should we stay away
from it cuz that's what they say so I
was I was running the phone lines for
their psychic radio show a friend of
mine was doing and uh and I would take I
take the calls and then she would ask me
to pray hey could you come over here and
pray and say a blessing over these
people because they just they like it
when I pray and so I said sure but then
I had these cars let me try these out so
I started like just pulling cards for
people one at a time and I didn't tell
them what card I pulled as like a you
know I just got the you know nine of
swords or whatever I didn't do none of
that I just pulled it and and I'm really
big into the prophetic and working off
of intuition and stuff like that and
especially with in Christian perspective
and in every card that I pulled for that
person was was key on how I should pray
about what they were going through or
some type of wisdom that I could give
them to get through their situation and
it was like every time I pulled it so I
was just trying to figure out for myself
is this something that works you know
and so I was like communing with God
using the Tarot of the Most High proving
to myself and it was a powerful
experience man
yeah yeah from my perspective I think
that it definition has always been part
of like the judeo-christian practice and
stuff and a lot of stuff is just
different you know translations and
stuff because I think that verse you're
talking about says that the girl had a
familiar spirit yeah you know and then
sometimes they translate that as
divination but being possessed by a
demon isn't the same thing as defamation
like I got another like self-published
old book called the Urim and Thummim
yeah and that is about like when Aaron
would go into the holiest of Holies to
you know used emanation and stuff to get
your word man just let's start there
because people are gonna tune out they
say yeah does that word mean can we keep
throwing it around like it's nothing
well it's just like divine influence is
how I would do it and God has always
spoken to people you know through like
symbolism and the spirit of the Shekinah
and the Old Testament and respond to the
people in dreams such as Daniel or
Joseph and I mean if it wasn't for
Joseph interpreting the dreams and stuff
of Pharaoh's people then there would be
no Jews because he would have died in
prison and all the other Jews would have
died so I mean everything is rested on
it at some point so how I look at it
definition or like reading tarot cards
and stuff is a mixture of the spirit
within you so everyone's a dwelt with
the Holy Spirit or the Shekinah the
Kabbalah or Holy Spirit of the New
Testament the counselor that your
guidance and that exists within
everybody but I think that our purpose
in life is to develop wisdom and to
learn understanding and stuff and that
God puts us in situations even like you
know what the buyers going around right
now it's opportunities for us to prove
ourselves and make decisions and stuff
like Jesus said that I'll judge you you
know I'll shut up separate the sheep
from the goats by what you do when did I
see you thirsty when did I see
makin right now everybody's thirsty and
naked people are buying up all the
toilet paper and leaving everybody else
out you know so I mean I think that most
of life is all about developing wisdom
and that we have the spirit of wisdom
within us and we're given like the
information that we need
you know like prompt us on our own
development so there's our there was
people in the Old Testament or like
Jesus and stuff that's got the fullness
of God that can hear them speaking to
him or something like Abraham and gets
specific directions you know to go and
do this you know for multiple people but
for most of us is just us navigating our
life so we're not gonna hear the voice
as clearly so using tarot cards and
stuff like you're saying when you would
pull them they'd make sense because
you're interpreting symbolism and stuff
and it's from you're drawing it from
your own subconscious mind and getting
your your actual intuition you know is
getting pulled out and translated to
your conscious mind and you'd be hard to
know if it is like the spirit of wisdom
living within you that's prompting you
with these things like hey telling this
or you know what just from your
subconscious you know like the do would
be hard to figure out you know from my
experience but yeah
I mean it could just be the spirit
prompt you just enough to let let us
thoughts get into your mind so that you
could make up your own decisions and be
like hey this is what people need and
remind you of some other scripture that
we read and stuff yes so like so the
thing is Cicely what you're saying is
they you know they kind of work together
it's not like one or the other it comes
like you know here's a symbol and then
you interpret it here's a sign you
interpret it it's a synchronicity you
interpret it it means different things
to different people you know all these
signs and symbols and things cuz it
works off of your consciousness and your
intuition and stuff right but but I will
say this I want you speak to this a
little bit because you because we were
talking about like those people who can
hear God Father what are you say
yes I'll tell them so I'd say the
majority of Christendom would say that
was them so they they say we don't need
tarot cards anymore or or I don't know
if we ever needed Tarot but we didn't
need divination well if we want to speak
on it from a biblical perspective we can
say casting of lots that's a one I would
use we don't need to cast lots anymore
because now we have the Holy Spirit and
we can go directly to God and that kind
of thing so that's where they kind of
like you know push all of that stuff as
old testament or they couldn't hear God
for themselves but again I think it's I
think it's both man I think they're
tools that we are able to use that can
help us yeah I think that in the Old
Testament they did hear God and
everything the same way it was just
limited to like one prophet at a time
like just like Samuel did it and the
difference with the New Testament is
that everybody is a priest and a prophet
that everybody has it in them and yeah I
agree that everybody has the spirit
living within them and prompting them in
stuff which is your intuition and stuff
like in the Kabbalah it would be the
third Sephiroth of understanding which
is interpreted as a intuitive
understanding but you just feel the
truth and know the truth in you without
being able to explain it and then the
next you process that true to understand
understand that and then you get wisdom
is being able to apply it so I mean God
speaks everybody differently so they can
some people might hear a voice you know
I don't have God personally talk to me I
just get prompted you know and it's
everyone's their own spiritual walk so
you don't know what you're you know our
paths are the same we're not going to
have the same experiences so one person
might hear God and the other person
might interpret it through symbols and
stuff because we're given what we need
you know different different portions of
the Spirit based on what we need and you
know what we're doing and being a
lumberjack is different than being a
teacher so you know we're gonna get
different gifts or understandings and
stuff as for is best for the yeah as for
the Tarot
I trace it back through like the
Rosicrucians and stuff in like 16th
century mysticism so it was the cult is
more like just the secret teachings of
like Christianity that differed from
like the main Catholic Church and stuff
there and you know back then if you
disagreed with them you'd be termed a
heretic and get burned at the stake and
killed and stuff so they hid Alchemist
and caballes and stuff had a lot of
their beliefs within symbolism and stuff
so that you know they could pass it
along without getting killed by the
mainstream Church and stuff and facing
prejudice and bias where it is most of
the cult is just freedom and free
thinking and you know it's not devil
worship they're not trying to tell you
stuff that's just like mainstream
churches are saying yeah hey you're
disagreeing with this particular
congregation or something you know and
that's why they had it that's why they
coded everything in symbolism is so they
don't face prejudice and let everybody
be able to choose you know but like
freedom religion that choose how you
worship by God by your own consciousness
you know so the Tarot was like
incorporation of the Kabbalah and
different of the 22 different Hebrew
letters of the Cabal and stuff put into
cards which leaf asleep I thought were
symbolic of the items within the Ark of
the Covenant with the ones representing
like the staff of Moses and the swords
being the BLET the two had sort of
blessings of curses of the Ten
Commandments and the cups being the cup
that was actually in the ark that held
the manna and then the manna within the
cup would be pinnacles which is like the
bread from heaven and stuff which
represents Jesus according to like the
pentagram at on the brother fee no idea
yeah yes so even even says that yeah you
you you know before I cut you off you
were talking about the room and the
Dumon just talk a little bit about that
because that's another biblical example
of divination and or whether it's
divination or a form of magic how do you
think that that
what was used back then there's some
different beliefs to that as well well
the priests would it would it would just
be Aaron of the high priest then he had
on his chest was the breastplate of
judgment that has them twelve different
stones that each have their own
attributes representing the twelve
different tribes of the Israel Bowl and
each of the different tribes had their
own job you know like one is like the
negotiator and speaker and the other
one's a sailor in summer soldiers and
Judas the leader and Levi is like the
priest and stuff so everybody has their
own attributes which is not that
different then like astrology that
people put the twelve different zodiac
signs in there but definition is just
interpreting symbolism based on things
you know on other symbols that had that
you apply attributes to and stuff so if
you're pulling out so how I think I did
is the high priests would go into the
holiest of Holies where the Ark of the
Covenant is and the Shekinah has you
know the burning incense and stuff so
like a smoke and stuff and it doesn't
say how you know God appeared to them
back then but you know I'm picturing
that it's gonna be light because that's
what the Urim and Thummim stand for is
lights and perfection so I'm thinking
that's probably like two like Spears
that are like polished the black one and
a white one and if the if the priest
pulls one out and looks at it looking at
a ball with light on that you know in
the Shekinah on the other side blown in
there and bouncing off it's Jess you'll
see like a reflection in the ball of one
of the tribes and since it's a circle it
would instead of like the host square of
everybody on the breast plate it would
just focus on one of the particular
tribes or something so I think that
that's a way that at least in my book
that I describe on how they could
interpret you know specific information
and they go in there with the question
and anything any question is always
you know just it's just a starting point
to start brainstorming so don't go in
there and be like hey should we go to
war with this neighboring tribe or
whatever and then he'll get something in
looking at it
however he happened to hold the ball you
know for ideomotor response you know
just like Ouija boards or pendulums or
anything that you're not really
continued are controlling it but
subconsciously that you aren't
consciously aware of it and then you he
sees this one thing and say oh that
trait is you know if it's like GAD or
whatever it's troops their good fortune
so it would either want to be like it's
a good fortune to go to war and employ
your troops you know and it'd just be
how you interpret the question so a
little bit deeper probably than just
saying yes or no right you think yes
it's a look it's deeper than saying yes
or no I mean you can't be because you
have you have two different things that
it could be either yes or no but most of
it is interpreting stuff just like tarot
cards people have meanings for them but
you aren't just reciting and meaning
because then you can use a magic 8-ball
and stuff you know just repeating
something that's random what I think I
think if you believe it it kind of works
off of your intuition as well though
right if you think that the divine is
speaking you know to you through that
then it kind of is right yes but I think
that you're the intuition part of
divination and reading is from the
spirit living within you so you can get
you can get any attribute or symbol that
gets pulled up from whichever card is
selected and how you interpret that
means like the death card or whatever
there's so many different ways that
people can interpret that you know that
it's what you feel intuitively when you
look at it based on the question and
stuff so it's like should I get this job
and you get the death card then it's
like what do you think you know do you
think no this is you're it's dead it's
over or other people be like yeah no
it's talking about cycles of life and
that I feel this is going to be you know
really beneficial for you you're gonna
start a new start a new chapter
progressed on so I mean it doesn't
matter what card you get there's it kind
of tie into like muscle testing and you
know dowsing rods and that kind of thing
cuz like it's like you like like
inwardly the the part of you that is is
God are connected to God like it already
knows all truths you know yeah so you
ask that question and that's what you're
gonna get usually is you think it's kind
of they're all kind of connected in that
same type of metaphysical manner yeah I
think that it's all connected but I
don't think that even though if all
truth is available to us that God's
gonna let us know all the truth you know
that we're only gonna get what we're
supposed to get at that certain point of
time you know like some stuffs not our
business and some things we might not be
meant to understand yet we might have to
take 10 more years before we understand
it you know all of us are like on our
spiritual path I'll look at like we're
all heading towards the same mountain
but we're coming from different sides of
it so it looks different to us and our
paths that we take is going to be
different and everyone's going to start
their spiritual journey at a different
phase of their life at a different age
in a different geographical location so
all of our journeys are different and we
might not experience the same things as
everybody else and even if we have
something close it's gonna be unique to
our situation and that's what we're
really doing is adapting information to
our situation so I think if we lay out
any kind of tarot cards or whatever you
know Oracle it is you're gonna get that
and you're gonna compare that to the
question and it does it's gonna be a
randomly generated thing and you know
you could say yeah God is like these
cards and there's right order something
yes I think it's actually gonna fit
somehow to your situation somehow it's
gonna make sense if yeah yeah I think
that that's the intuitive part is that
your intuition will tell you to
interpret it differently you know so if
if the Yurman theme was a white ball and
a black ball or heads or tails that you
you get him like oh I got tails we'll
have to make you still have to make the
decision on how this tails apply to this
or something you know and I'll look at
that as in that book in the book down
that you're mental
I'll look at it that's exam it look so
I'll use in it I'll use like dice and
stuff to select one of the different
tribes since we don't polish balls in
the whole breast please breast piece or
anything but uh if you get the white one
then I'd look at the light and like that
more positive attributes of them you
know because when right before Jacob
died he did his blessings on each of his
kids so he assigned attributes do them
like Benjamin you're gonna be a ravenous
wolf and stuff so he assigned like
personality traits to them so you could
randomly select personality traits but
if you're looking at the white aspect
you're only looking at the light and the
positive things but in if you get the
black the black is like made up of all
colors and it's like perfection so it
would be like looking at the entire you
know things so like you know Reuben he
was the firstborn and he was given all
kinds of opportunities and stuff but he
also lost his birthright and stuff for
uncovering jacob skirt or whatever which
in Jubilees and the what is that joshua
d yeah and the testament of the
patriarchs that that book they they talk
about so that he raped his stepmom when
she was passed out drunk and that that's
what caused him to lose his birthright
that he was referred to as it was
compared to water that he'd just driven
by whichever path you know of least
resistant and not really putting in
thought so i mean you did you take
that information as the complete thing
so you could look at is just basic its
name Ruben which I don't recall what it
means it's off the top of my head if it
was that's a good deal if it was God
hears or God sees but ads from Layla now
do you think that these are all you know
the twelve are linked into the zodiac do
you think that they are like emanations
of the zodiac do you think that all of
this is no I think they're different
things they're still interpreting
symbolism and applying different traits
to twelve different things you know but
whether you're applying it to the twelve
tribes of Israel or the Stars you know
that would be the difference of what's
good divination or bad defamation you
know because even then like like like as
far as the stories are played out I'm
kind of kind of similar to the astrology
linked to it at all and even with the
you know the 12 disciples and the 13th
and all that kind of stuff I mean there
are connections through everything you
know but the Bible says like you so I
mean there's there's some there's some
experts or people I look up to Santos
Bonacci and some of those guys would say
like the Bible is astrology so the Bible
is kind of telling like from Genesis to
Revelation it's you know talking about
you know the Sun going through the 12
houses and all that kind of stuff so you
don't really tie that in at all it's you
know it's a part of the world and you
know joint experience for all human
beings but the Bible is specific to the
Israelites
so astrology and the influence of stars
and stuff that you know it affects
everybody in the world but maybe not
specifically how it affects Israel was
different because they were a different
nation than the Egyptians and the
Babylonians and all the other cultures
around them it's like a good guy bad guy
thing going on right yeah
yet kind of but you know there's is
astrology in the Bible that Genesis says
that the stars are created for you to
tell time and to read science and stuff
but then other cultures used it
differently you know to come up with
their own definition off of Roman gods
and things like that so the concept of
stars and the plants and everything
moving and the influence of the moon and
stuff you know it affects all people but
the different cultures are just
interpreting it differently so I think
that you know tarot cards can work
subconsciously that you're extracting
information from your subconscious mind
and making it known to your conscious
mind if you're a Christian then you're
indwelt with the Holy Spirit you'll also
have the prompting of the Holy Spirit
you know helping you - helping you to
intuitively influence you know your
intuition on how you interpret the
information the witches and stuff that
don't believe in God and stuff they
could still do it with intuition or
maybe they're talking to spirit guides
or whatever else they want it's not
necessarily the same thing because I
mean I think there can be lots of other
spirits and other things out there that
aren't you know specific to the
judeo-christian belief system it's
interesting like it kind of it kind of
leads to kind of another question is the
fact of like talking to demons or
disembodied spirits or you know aunt
Jackie or whatever oh the girl who ever
lives in this house or using tarot cards
or Ouija boards if you will or using a
pendulum to contact whatever spirits in
that house do you think that you're
getting through to the other side or are
you still working off of your own energy
in your own intuition and it's coming
out of you which I've explored which is
it gets really deep you know yeah so
what do you think when it comes to that
like you're trying to conjure demons and
is it your own inner demons or that part
of your psyche that's can kind of create
that experience what do you think that
is I think that there is everyone's
unique
so everyone has their own paths so not
everyone's gonna agree with you know
everything in some stuff they might be
creating mental hallucinations or in
stuff you know do like self-hypnosis or
whatever hypnosis was like the first
things I studied to get into mysticism
so I know other mind works and how you
know you can make your own projections
of what you want to see but then also I
think that yeah the Bible's that it's
clear that there's Nephilim and
disembodied spirits and all kinds of
stuff that depending on what someone's
practices yeah they can be summoning
demons they're talking to ghosts or
whatever you know and that that's not
what I practice so I've never been
taught tarot cards and tried to talk to
it goes what do you think makes it
different though because some people
will say that just the practice is by
default conjuring demons is it is it
your intention that changes it we could
with the use of this tool just like you
can take a gun and use it to protect
your family and hunt and provide food
and things like that or you can take
that same gun and commit murder and sell
it on the black market and you know all
this kind of stuff is it just the
intention in the way that you use it
that that makes it good or bad in
someone's mind yeah I mean it could be
something like that because I mean it is
just a practice and it's a spiritual
practice and you know for me the Tarot
is like deeply related to the Cabal and
stuff and it's an entire system of
mysticism within it that I'll look at it
more as like at a religious experience
and just using it to contemplate God and
understand how the universe was created
and stuff but other people just you know
that are just trying to tell fortunes
and stuff or just like hey will this guy
like than me or not does Johnny it's a
little thing kind of cute you know so
yeah I mean it really depends on what
you're using it and obviously what you
know what I'm putting in there is this
is my religious belief compared to like
hey let's see what you know I want to
make that that you'll use it for what
they would use it for they're saying
it's evil hey cuz if I could do this I
would contact demons so you have to be
using it this way you know yeah it's
lots of different
you know everyone's got their own thing
so I mean I think it can be used lots of
different ways and the Book of Enoch and
everything makes it sound like yeah
there are lots of other kind of
creatures out there besides angels and
demons which are supposed to be the
disembodied spirits of the Nephilim but
he also talks about the planets as the
luminaries and stuff so there are these
other like I guess it'd all be Elohim
which would be like kind of like gods
yeah you know on what we would call God
over sluggers yeah or but it's just some
kind of spiritual beam you know and
whether some cultures interpret them as
fairies or not you know it's just based
on how you interpret them so I think
there are other things that talk to but
I mean it's just like speaking to
somebody in the mall you know like you
could go into the mall and blindfold
yourself and be like I have this
question to answer me and then just some
random person in the mall answers your
question and you are you gonna be like
oh yeah that's Bates I'm gonna take that
advice you know so I want to trust just
some random ghost or anything like that
so I think that we're communicating with
the Holy Spirit of the spirit of wisdom
or the Shekinah and if you're doing that
then I have no interest in talking to a
ghost or you know an ancestor or so you
don't even know anything anything other
than the highest I think there's a step
in the face man of God in Christ and
it's like like you can go freely to them
but you would rather settle for some
disembodied person in your house that
died four years ago you know what I'm
saying well we have that ability now as
believers or sonship or whatever being
adopted into so for me I think that's
where the sin comes there man where
there was like hey yeah don't consult
mediums like you have now you have
access to talk to me I got bridge the
gap I did all of this because of these
people are lying to you you know all of
this now we have the ability to go to
God for ourselves man with the use of of
prayer or with the use of different
tools the game we talk about incense in
you know mentioning crystals you're
talking about the ephod which is
something interesting and these crystals
that change your vibration if you were
to change the way that you feel they
have a frequency about them and when you
put them all together they get you in a
state to talk to God I really believe
that's what the ephod was if something
that changed the vibrational state of
the priests to get them ready to go in
and commune with God when they had all
of them together then they had the
incense going I mean once you have all
that going that's a mystical experience
in and of itself a vibration and you
know I'm saying all of this kind of
stuff so it yeah I think that's what a
lot of this stuff is is it's just basic
Jewish practices and stuff you know if
you go to like Masonic Jewish churches
they're all like all dancing and doing
all this stuff you know and you're like
yeah if they were naked under the
moonlight it would be considered pagan
you know oh yeah that there isn't much
difference you know what the priests
were doing and stuff or casting Lots
that's not that different than what
other cultures are doing and their
practices debbye nations you know and
it's just mainly what your intent is and
what your belief is and stuff because no
I mean all the stuff that do they have
as magic nowadays like most of the stuff
comes from like Jewish practices anyways
yeah because they came out when they had
like the testament of Solomon and stuff
which was in like 300 AD and that's the
first book that he starts summoning
demons and stuff like that which it's
parallel to the Bible except the Bible
talks about that he was given wisdom and
that's its you know special power that
he had that he was directly and dwelt
with the Shekinah and was able to you
know had what wisdom but in the
testament of Solomon shows how he got
the wisdom though from David's you know
it well will I mean that's what the
wisdom is is that he got the Shekinah
but did well and just like Jesus did but
in the testament of Solomon he's given a
magic ring by the Archangel Michael and
then he uses that to summon demons and
stuff so then later on they have the
like the grimoires and stuff that they
made the kings of King Solomon and all
of the
grimoires that started summoning demons
and brought all that stuff in but I mean
it was taken from just regular Jewish
practices of you know yeah we're burning
these incense and we're lighting these
candles we're doing these symbolic
things and then people take the same
symbolic gestures that they're doing and
just use it different use it in a
different way
you know or use it to summon demons or
something you know but as far as so many
demons I think that's just rude anyways
and that's it's gonna be bad karma if
you wanted to speak to someone else draw
a magic circle and be like I demand you
to come here and do whatever I say or
I'm gonna cast you the hell and stuff
you know but you know if there are other
entities that you want to talk to just
make friends with them like you do with
normal humans you know don't you would
you start drinking bottle or some yeah
yeah but you would call him up though if
you want to talk to me you call Matt you
found my number get it from a friend
call me up and I'll answer
I'll tell you I'll tell you if it is
similar the friend who has the number
it's God gods guy you know talk to God
that's my thing like I go directly to
the Father through Christ and if
anything any you know spirit or entity
or anything he allowed me to encounter
for me and my conscious it comes
directly from the father I don't go I
don't go directly to a spirit I don't
try to summon these things out say
father if you allow me to encounter
these things if there's an angel or any
type of messenger that has my greatest
good in mind that you will allow me to
see then I'm open and for me I've I've
encountered so much like mind-blowing
far-out stuff that has all been
beautiful now I have I have dealt with
the demonic and things like that in the
past but that would be kind of be see
you know what I'm saying but yeah like
going you know having this clear channel
with God with the divine in Christ you
can't go wrong you know yeah there's
like you have the phone number for the
CEO of a company but instead you're
summing up a janitor or something and
being like hey I demand you to come here
and mow my lawn or what
you know and even if you know they do it
eventually the CEO is gonna be like are
you calling my employees and telling us
that you gotta do this no complaint it
just you're like complaining about the
boss to another worker you know we go
directly and handle your grievance with
the boss yeah parallels I mean yeah
someone to ask you this too cuz talking
about that the taro and how it
represents different things in your life
and when you're going through for me a
lot of this kind of kick-started being a
young Christian reading the Bible by
myself and just seeking God yeah Old
Testament and I would read things and it
would be like download it to me and
saying okay this is you what you're
reading that's you see what they're
doing yeah remember when you did that
see what's gonna happen to them that's
what happened to you this is how you get
out of it and it was like this weird
song and dance with the divine with God
as I'm reading the Bible and I'm not
reading the story about these Israelites
I'm reading about myself
so these people in these places even the
names of the places and you know
etymology of the words change and they
represent something in my life and
idolatry that I've dealt with and you
know fighting and grieving and all of
that stuff and I'm starting to read this
story that's telling my story
do you have you had that experience at
all I was I reading the Bible and then
that like the allegory just kind of
opened up to you and that kind of
experience yeah that's what like the New
Testament says is that to understand it
is spiritually discerned
so I mean you can't if you just only go
to who's from a denomination or sect or
something and they say this is how you
interpret those bursts you're not really
ever gonna know but that's what Jesus
his mission was was to come that they
had the rabbi's that were like
mainstream churches today that would be
like this is how to do it this is how to
apply stuff and then Jesus taught no
it's a personal relationship with God is
what you're trying to do you're trying
to build a personal relationship but
first you're the servant and then your
friends and then your family you know
and then you're one
and that's what he was trying to do it's
it's a personal spiritual journey that
everybody has to go and if you're trying
to get it relayed through I'm gonna have
this priest go and represent me and he's
going to tell me to say Hail Marys or
something and I'm gonna be forgiven you
know you're missing the whole point you
know it's all about making that
connection and reading the scripture and
seen the mind of God working within
everything so I believe in like
Providence and that there is they could
plan like there's a mixture of freewill
and predestination there's certain set
things that we need to go through but
how we reach those points and reach
those milestones is based on our
freewill so I think everything is
planned out and like what you're saying
that you're able to see different
allegories of your life in the lives of
others that's because we're all
following the same plan you know a
blueprint or mind of God you know that
the same things are repeated over and
over and then once you start seeing the
connections you could see how everything
makes sense and stuff you know like when
Jews and Christians are fighting the
Jews or like all Christians you know you
don't God would have never had him the
Messiah do this or you know whatever but
when you look at it's like it's exact
same story that Jesus was born and Herod
wants to kill all the babies you know
because he thinks that it's a threat to
him and that's no different than at the
time of Pharaoh that Pharaoh killed all
the babies and then Moses was the savior
that was sent to Egypt and he escaped
being killed as a baby but I'm doing
Egypt and then the same thing happened
with Jesus that they start killing all
the babies and then the angel says hey
you guys go to Egypt and wait this thing
out and then come back and then free
everybody you know and connect Passover
and everything so there's lots of stuff
like that that you had you have to see
the parallels between multiple people's
lives in order to understand the Bible
like the whole thing with Abraham going
to sacrifice Isaac you know if you don't
have any context and you don't know
anything about Jesus and the future
being a child of the
promised that Sakura you know that is
actually sacrificed by his father you
know to alleviate the sins then that
hope the whole episode with Abraham
going up to get tempted into sacrificing
Isaac is just like a bizarre thing that
yeah sure why did he do that well that's
the thing there's so much of that in the
Bible that people just kind of throw it
out but they're spiritually discerned
like you said and I remember my daughter
having this weird conversation with us
when she was little and she sometimes
she still brings it up just kind of you
know if God told you guys to kill me
would you do it it was like he wouldn't
God would never tell us that well he did
Abraham to kill Isaac it's like no no no
no okay we got to get to the bottom of
this and just understanding the allegory
and then there was there was a was a ram
in the thicket he pick God provided a
sacrifice and you know what with that
story represents of of that thing that
you hold dear are you willing to give it
up you know what I'm saying your dreams
and visions all of this of what does
that mean to you and you find out like
wow this is these are just pictures and
things to represent something else going
on in our lives and the entirety of the
scriptures at least the Old Testament
for sure being this you know you know as
we read the Bible it's it's we're you
know looking into a mirror you know what
I'm saying and we're reading our stories
so I remember having that conversation
with my daughter it's just kind of eerie
you know and a lot of people they take
they take they take it all literal you
know and they don't understand that
there's there's multiple levels of waste
that you know the Jewish mystics and
scholars you know I'm saying made sense
of it I think that was for here a lot of
different things that some say in 72
different 72 is a lot but I think it for
the most part it was the four different
ways of actually breaking down the
scriptures as the literal as the
allegory the the occultic are hidden in
Indy like the deeper esoteric ways as
well so uh understanding and and and not
what I'm studying in that is like to not
exalt one above the other because some
of my my my friends who take the Bible
literally
they hate when I speak on allegory cuz
it's so beautiful and it comes alive to
me
you know but they want to find Noah's
Ark they want to find King Herod and
where he his bones and Goliath skull you
know and all this kind of stuff yeah
yeah and I think that's it the Bible is
both literal and figurative at the same
time you know like for Abraham it was an
experience you know but it wasn't
something that he understood because God
doesn't need to tell all of us the
entire plot you know that's what I'm
saying about defamation is that even if
the thing is available that there is a
hidden truth that doesn't mean that
God's gonna let us know about it all you
know that uh events happen you know that
David goes to fight Goliath and stuff
and he doesn't really understand how
that is impacting you know billions of
people that are gonna be alive after him
you know all you know is what you're
going through and you don't know what
its gonna represent to other people you
know that we just played our role within
God's plan and it's gonna fit into
together with a bunch of other pieces of
everybody else in the world to bring
about something a greater good for
everybody you know but we might not see
it we just see the experience we have
and have to learn from that little piece
that we've got in it like I think Paul
says that we see through the glass you
know clouded or whatever but later
you're gonna see it clearly and stuff
you know that no beater
even then you know I look at it as
levels of spirit then I go off of like
Hebrew a lot you know I've got rolling
to the Kabbalah interpreting like the
secret meanings and how Hebrew is is you
will have the literal meaning and you
could deter participate this way and
they're all right because like all the
concepts fit into it you know and I
forget what I say but uh everything just
you know just comes together and
a distinct that we're told what we're
you know word just playing our role on
what we're supposed to do you know and
we might see everything you know we're
just okay I got it I think what I talk
about is that so we got the spirit right
that we're given the breath of life that
we're body spirit and soul so your soul
is your psyche or your mind or whatever
that's what makes you unique the spirit
is like the letter hey which is breath
and it represents the breath of God and
the breath of life so that is like the
spark of God that's allowing us to be
alive you know for a certain period of
time and everybody has the spirit in you
you know even if you're a Satanist you
have that tiny portion of the spirit and
then like in the wisdom of Solomon which
is a in the Catholic Bible they say you
know the same stuff that the woman
wisdom is gonna dwell in those people
and reveal herself like she did to
Solomon to the people that she likes and
that's people are if you sin against the
Holy Spirit then you know don't grieve
the Holy Spirit such dwelling within you
and stuff so I think that people get
different portions of the spirit so
Moses and prophets that did miracles and
stuff have a higher level of the spirit
living in them than just the basic spark
that we're all born with and then Jesus
had the fullness of the Godhead within
him so he's able to bring people you
know back to life and he could you know
was told or read people's minds or
whatever but you know like the woman at
the well just do everything but for his
specific role that he played in God's
plan that amount of information was
needed for him but we don't need that
amount of information probably you know
we're because we're like should we go to
Walmart after work you know that our
stuff isn't as challenging that stuff
you know but I think that the spirit
prompts us and it gives us what we need
for our spiritual journey and for our
development so I think that you can do
like mind over matter and
things like that and do some things with
hypnosis but I don't think that if you
you can will yourself to walk on water
and stuff I think that stuff was only
because it was given a higher portion of
the spirit and some people decided got
it yeah it's like I'm trying they're
like airbending and pyrokinesis and we
that was one of the last interviews we
did was we we talked about you know
Jesus saying greater things shall you do
you know and yeah and there's a lot of
like Christians and like the charismatic
movement who try to say that that is the
miracles as far as like the crazy signs
and wonders like Jesus walked on water
I'm gonna walk on water yeah you know
I'm gonna do greater things than he did
versus like being everyone having the
outpouring of the Holy Spirit now was
what he was talking about you know the
in uh the outpouring ending and feeling
and the baptism that it was better that
he go so it would be poured out upon all
flesh but that's the interesting one cuz
people do get caught up in the there's
some interesting stuff I mean I there
was a season when I really got more into
the spirituality and third eye and all
that kind of stuff that I tried a lot of
it I really wasn't successful like at
all I spent a lot of time but there's
other people who were spending more time
in claiming that they're controlling the
wind and I mean I don't know what it
does just like whether it's ego or just
York I think it opened up the doors of
creativity of what is possible like I
don't think that's enough to like really
do anything you know just like like a
parlor trick or something you know but
uh there's people who are doing it and
and Christians and believers who are
kind of stepping in that area to show
that authority or how the real the Bible
is what the supernatural is because they
can push and pull wind and things like
that yeah I think that it's a thing she
could do with mind over matter
you know like Reiki and energy work and
some things that not everybody just
normally does but their human abilities
and I think that's different than
miraculous abilities that Jesus was able
to do I'm walking on water and stuff and
when he taught when he the Bible says
greater things and these you're gonna do
he was he wasn't saying any person in
the world's gonna have these abilities
and he wasn't saying any following
Christians are gonna have these ability
is talking to you specifically his
disciples it's like you guys are gonna
be able to do this and Peter did bring
people back from the dead and Paul did
get bit by snakes and not dive it all
those signs that he was talking about in
those passages were what identifies
people as the apostles and so they were
able to do stuff and John drank poison
and didn't die and stuff so they were
given greater powers of portions of the
spirits that was directly related to
their missions that they had to do of
John had to go to the island and write
the Book of Revelations and stuff like
that but not every single person in the
world is gonna have those same like
magic powers you know there was given to
them and as Paul said we don't even see
everything you know they only know what
they're given and that even Jesus said
that he says that no I don't know the
day or the hour I just know I'm just
telling you what the Spirit is telling
me to tell you you know that's really it
said pile he's like I came to testify
the truth and these aren't my own words
I'm only telling you what I'm told to
tell you so I mean a lot of people yeah
even though I think these people go you
know overboard in it it's for them that
to explore explore the psyche you know
but I do believe that that the scripture
talks about like if you believe nothing
shall by any means be impossible to you
like if you had the you know just just a
little faith you'll see these you say to
this mountain to be removed and cast
into the sea and it's gonna be given
unto you according to your faith and uh
and so I would never want to like limit
their faith even though I may think it's
foolish or I got better things to do or
whatever I think that's how we see the
miraculous right we as how we we can you
know rediscover the ancient practice of
divination or casting of lots because
our faith is believing that God is going
to speak to us if we do it so there's a
level of faith that kind of as long as
we can have the realm to believe it then
God the creative force fills in those
gaps and uh
and for me it's allowed me again to just
see some far-out out-of-this-world stuff
that I don't know you know exploring the
psyche if it if it was if I seen it
because I believed it and I wanted it so
bad that it showed itself unto me but
other people it's been having like some
you know you could duplicate it you know
I'm saying other people can experience
it as well and that's the interesting
thing with all of this with with your
beliefs of going as far out and as deep
as you want you got to make sure that
you're grounded in that you're just not
just because there's definitely those
people right God is speaking through
everything you told me to you know do
this and then just do crazy stuff so you
got to have balance with it but uh but
again I think it's those far-out reaches
that cause us to believe where we want
something to be true that even allows us
to even explore so that we can receive
some far-out experiences or denote the
depths of the universe or God and how it
operates you know yeah well I'm looking
at likely the alchemists perspective
that you go through the chemical wedding
which is like their version of baptism
that new mixes spirit of wisdom with the
soul of the alchemists and you start the
great work within yourself so that would
be like seek first the kingdom to God
and all these things will be added to
you that it's a lifelong journey that
you're always building up on stuff and
we have that faith in everything and as
we grow in our faith we're gonna get
filled with more and more wisdom and
then the Spirit is gonna be a greater
portion with them that's like when Jesus
sent out I forget him and he sent out
but you know when he first sent out the
disciples and they came back and they
were like wow even the demons respond to
us it wasn't that they as a human being
had any power over demons it was like
delegated to him that Jesus sent them
out with a power so it's not that uh you
could say say to this mountain cast
yourself into the sea just as a novice
or beginner and you're gonna make the
mountain do anything but if you get
filled up with that amount of
spirit from you know growing in your
spirituality and stuff and it in
response to your faith and in response
that like in Jewishness that you're
obeying mitzvot and stuff to get
rewarded by God and stuff you're gonna
get increases to the spirit where you
can get it delegated that you could say
to this mountain go there you know or
Peter bring people back to life and
stuff but I think that it's like given
by God by an increase of spirit that
it's I don't think it's a natural human
ability even off of faith but I think
that it's a spiritual journey that you
could get increased levels of spirit
where you can accomplish such things
yeah you know you're faithful as Mabel
you'd even try it you know if God it's
like okay God spoke to me and told me to
do this and so there's this level of
response that you have to have the room
to believe that it was God or that it
could that you know that it can happen
that you whether it's yeah prayin even
like praying for the sick you know like
like do you have a level of faith that
can can see something like that to
happen or is like okay I'm not even
gonna pray for you because I don't
believe in it you know what I'm saying
like somebody calls and asks for prayer
I'll pray for you one day and versatile
let's believe now I believe that God can
touch you now let's say a prayer sending
energy whatever you want to do and and
could you have that room for faith to
move right so you have to be listed in
some sense I mean all of this stuff is
going on in our mind and in our psyche
yeah but I think it's like Jesus thought
that it's about your relationship with
the divine in your relationship with God
yeah that yeah it has to be something
different but it makes you a better
person or something right yeah if the
person James says that the prayers of a
righteous man will avail much or
whatever better the response that God
gives you the person's prayer just like
the Jews even that you're doing these
mitzvahs and gods going to think you're
a better treasure to him and reward your
actions or whatever that it's based on
that person's relationship with God if
God's gonna listen to their prayer and
heal the person compared to somebody
like Peter who Jesus says I'm delegating
you the Holy Spirit is going to come
upon you
you will be able to just say be healed
and clear you know cure leprosy or bring
somebody back on the dead it's way
different than just one of us praying
for stuff you know I think anything's
possible but I think you know I think
that a lot of times we don't need it you
know even though we don't if all of this
trust with it is going on in the psyche
you know what I'm saying because like
their scripture that talks about like
certain prayers that are hindered
certain prayers that God doesn't hear
you got blood on your hands but now
you're praying for a miracle like what's
going on clean your hands first and then
I'll hear you like there's like protocol
and stuff like that so but then again
it's going on in your in your head you
know that you have blood on your hands
and you're trying to lift up bloody
hands like it's the inward cycle it's
just this like you said the alchemist
journey that the alchemical journey that
we're all going through and I mean how
those people and how those scriptures
tie-in for somebody who doesn't know
that scripture like I know it it means
something different there's no frame of
reference to hinder that prayer or
anything or just the fact that you're
making a connection that God hears you
you know what I'm saying these different
things that come up while I got too much
sin in my life God's not gonna hear me
if I pray or you know there's just
different things that we all have to
work through the psyche is interesting
you know and it definitely comes into
play what we believe shows itself to us
you know what I'm saying again I think
it I definitely think it's you know I'm
saying a proble with you know the
divination and casting of lots and Claro
Mancini and knowing that God will speak
to you you know through this stuff
versus maybe he will or he used to do it
2,000 years ago or something like that
it's tough the belief that if you
believe it he does but if you don't
believe it he won't and that's really
how it works right because if you don't
believe it's going to happen you're just
gonna approach it we're not nonchalantly
it would disbelief and even if it
doesn't work you're gonna explain the
way anyway right yeah I think that
everybody's got their own spiritual
journey you know that we all are given
you know our own gifts and our own
portions of the spirit and have our own
talents you know that these things in
practices you know the occult practices
or whatever
some of this it'll resonate with us and
really be part of our life and stuff and
you know some people can read tons of
stuff and academically study and
understand Scripture and know this stuff
but like you're saying if you don't have
that frame of reference and you don't
know that first gods still going to work
with in your life based on what what you
have you know and even if you haven't
read anything or you read the Koran or
written other books you're still going
to have some kind of interaction with
God and he's gonna be working in your
life well you're trying to figure out
stuff you know but some people will be
blessed with yeah you're gonna be a
healer and some people be blessed and
you'll be able to interpret dreams and
some people will be workers and stuff
would be like you're gonna make enough
money that you can be able to provide
for these people well so that last Jesus
said when didn't we see you naked or
when did you see thirsty you'll be able
to give people clothes and stuff and
help out your fellow man you know that
there's lots of different ways to serve
and lots of different ways to aggress
that we don't all have to astral
projector levitate or something you know
to achieve the same things as somebody
that you know just goes and works at a
job you know as a waiter or something
and takes care of his family you know
yeah I mean people want to see that
cause it's the miraculous but then again
I'm saying to myself like what does it
you know what what does it matter that
you can defy gravity and levitate or
whatever and it was a well then people
will believe my gospel you know they
will be they will believe what I say you
know and I was like well you know I
think Jesus did that they're like Jesus
performed a miracle hey now listen to
what I got to say let me feed you
I multiplied this bread now listen to
what I got to say you know I met your
knee I met you where you are even I
think a lot of that stuff is even
symbolic though you know what I'm saying
as far as that we have to multiply bread
or you know do the same things that he
did or greater there's some kind of
things that are mixed up now I don't
really believe that anymore but that was
a realm where I did but a lot of people
do and a lot of people do they think if
they're not healing people
or performing weird miracles then
nobody's gonna listen to their gospel ya
know which I'd say that you know you
can't really make anybody listen to
anything
no one to care you know if you did some
magic trick or whatever you know there's
not it's not gonna it's not gonna make
anybody believe anything one way or the
other those same people love Jesus after
he did the methamphetamine yeah we're
not having this and it yeah you're right
about that
you know that it's exactly thing Jesus
already did that stuff and some people
believed it and some people didn't but I
think the main point is you don't have
to convince somebody of anything you
know like we don't have to be able to be
like if I do this in front of an atheist
then they're going to be like oh now I'm
going to listen to you you know it's all
about learning discernment and stuff and
making up your own mind which
everybody's doing that with their own
life experiences and you can't you know
whether you can do some trick or
something you know or heal the blind
that doesn't you know it does it's not
gonna influence the other person's life
as much as what God's gonna do it within
that person's own mind and work through
their experience and well I seen this
guy levitate and he said send all your
money to Jesus so I you know yeah it
kind of happens like that but I think
it's with the gospel man just just
explaining what Jesus did and who he did
and what and how God sees them and and
that's what they're supposed to respond
to it's not supposed to respond I love
how cuz you man we got so many ain't
kiss I'm I'm gullible as far as like I
want to believe I've seen crazy
out-of-this-world stuff by myself like I
believe in the unseen but a lot more
people are if you can trick them there's
money in it you know there's a little a
lot of fake miracles and big-time
ministers and speaking engagements and
per diems and all of the same guarantees
for us to come out and speak because we
were good at faking miracles we've been
there talking about this a lot on here
and there's a lot of people getting
caught making gemstones appear out of
nowhere or gold teeth appearing or gold
dust appearing a lot of crazy stuff and
so people are drawn to it it fills out
churches versus like hits let's we're
gonna be going through the book of first
John and really see what this really
means to us now today
versus like hey we can make angels
appear on cue and gold will fall from
heaven that place is gonna be packed out
it's just how people are but I want to
believe but I'm like Thomas at the same
time like you got to show me like I want
to make sure like I doubted I need to
know for myself
but I think there's a healthy skepticism
that we all need to have especially
knowing that there's so many of these
people who are good at yeah tricking you
you know yeah well I think it comes back
into discernment that you've got to
discern the truth from you know
falsehoods and stuff but some of them
are really good though and if it were
possible they can deceive the elect cuz
some of these people are really
convincing they know the Bible you know
people know the Bible better than you
and they know how the psyche works they
know when to do the sleight of hand you
know they know all of this stuff and so
I know I know me when we say discernment
we have a probably a well-rounded we've
used the sermon of lot we've been wrong
so we've kind of been able to sharpen it
a little bit but just for the layperson
when we say just use the sermon brother
it means something even to them that
means something totally different
because they don't have a frame of
reference ask somebody might be lying to
me in the church like yeah and for me as
a baby Christian I thought that you know
that was a high position that you
couldn't be a liar and be a pastor you
had to be a man of the cloth you had to
be respectable and thing but that's not
the case you know yeah we have to have
that frame of reference so we can
interpret that there are wolves in
sheep's clothing yeah that that's the
sermon it's life lessons you know and
you know what you've learned it
throughout your life and stuff which is
the same thing with David that he didn't
just go and fight Goliath but God
prepared him and before he did that he
fought a bear and he fought him he
fought a lion and stuff and then he's
like oh yeah I've done this other stuff
I could do that you know okay
so I mean we're not looking for somebody
that already has the answers and then
being like oh now I'm going to listen to
you because the thing that Jesus taught
is that it's a personal relationship
between you and God and you could go
there and you'll figure out this guy was
aligned to I've wasted all my time
but dude that's what it is though like
its movements man there's these
celebrity pastors and they can perform
miracles so-called and yeah it's really
you know people stay there after years
and then they find out all this dude was
sleeping with all the women
it was embezzling money this dude was
doing this and and they find it takes
years sometimes but that's definitely
what's going on though people are
following man in like I've been talking
a lot about it lately like I feel like
God has it set up in such a way where
nobody has all the truth
like we all have a portion and a piece
that were really good at and we're
supposed to share it we're part of the
Bible we're really good at this I need
you for that this guy is really good at
breaking down the cross and redemption
this guy's good at baptism or whatever
and I think that God set it up like that
for a reason so that we wouldn't get
into man worship and I am of Galle and I
am of apollos and I am of Barnabas and
you know is like s Christ divided so
we're really big on that right now
because there's a lot of people you know
of camps are trying to pull people away
to what we're doing or this you know we
don't really believe the same thing so
don't listen to him and as a lot of that
goes on in in Christendom yeah I know
I've gone to tons of different churches
and different denominations and stuff
like that and it's part of our life
experience that you know is that you go
there and you find out you have these
people are lying to me you know and
that's he'll that's how you develop the
discernment you know recognizing this
stuff and it's struggles that we always
do like casting your pearls before swine
and stuff that you know it's a thin line
on how much I'm going to help her or how
much I'm gonna withdrawal or something
and you know you'll still you know make
mistakes and stuff but all of it's a
learning thing and like what you said of
we're all part of the body you know we
all have our different gifts and stuff
like like I said we're all trying to go
to the mountain from different angles
you know but we're not we're not gonna
have the exact same experience as
somebody and there isn't really a right
way or some a specific thing that tract
that you could follow that's gonna get
you the same place because it's all
personal journey but jesus said seek God
and you'll find
he'll work within you and you'll figure
the things out you know and meanwhile
were there were supposed to be there to
help each other out like you said that
hat if someone's good at doing this then
refer people to that person you know
like a I can't do that but I know
somebody that can and as humans we're
here to help each other out you know and
just help out people out whether they
believe the same thing as you or not
because they've all they're doing their
same journey too you know and right now
they might think hey I'm a Satanist or
whatever because they're rebelling
against their parents religion or
whatever that you know because the they
could see ball sit in the church you
know that they get brought up and like
yeah these guys are hypocrites that guys
sleeping one of the women in the church
you know I'm gonna be a Satanist that
stuff you know you know and you'll go
through these phases and stuff but then
later on people figure it out so we
shouldn't condemn anybody just teach
with gentleness and stuff and then when
somebody's ready or if the spirit
prompts them intuitively to seek an
answer that you can provide then help
them out you know and if not send to
somebody that might be able to help you
know but mainly I think yeah we're
different members of the body and we
might not even know the other people in
the invisible church that we're part of
you know we might even not even connect
with them while we're on the earth but
we could help all the people around us
and you know some of them will join the
body and some of them well you know
we're going to be judged on how we
interacted with people and when we saw
them thirsty if we gave them water or if
we tried hoarding all the toilet paper
and stuff you know
yeah it all comes back down to love man
at the end of the day it sounds it
sounds easy and there was a point in my
life where it was I was like no Joel
Osteen loves the gate people love each
other it's got to be said deeper you
know but it really does come down to a
universal love that you know God so
loved the world that He gave in and I'm
saying laying down your life for your
brother and everything comes back to
like this test of love like
you going to love are you gonna share
what you have because someone doesn't
have it are you gonna hoard it even
though you got more than enough
I mean hints what we're seeing now for
sure yeah in what it ties into the
mystical for me is like and I don't know
if these go together but it does for me
but it says like if I if I speak with
the tongues of angels but have not love
I'm only a you know resounding gong or a
clanging cymbal I always think about in
akheon language if I know the language
of Enoch and the depth that you know the
tongues of angels if I can if I learn
the dialect to commune with angels and
beings from beyond but I'm not a loving
person
I know people who claim to do this stuff
and have so much deeper call far out
knowledge but they're bitter they're
jealous
they're always causing division they're
always gossiping and aside come on dude
like you can you can partake of that
fruit and it's like you've totally
missed the point you know yeah it's not
making you a better person you're not a
better friend you're not a better
co-worker you know what I'm saying and
so I think you got things out of balance
or I think everything really does come
back down to love at the end of the day
and that's what scriptures are trying to
show us but I'm for the mythical I'm for
the far-out but if you ain't walking in
love then it's all for naught I don't
care if you can levitate or make me you
know and a fall from heaven or whatever
I don't care if you're just a better
person and nasty and you're deceiving
people and still confused it don't mean
nothing
yeah I mean you could be a farmer or you
can be a soldier you know it's just how
you're making your money the main thing
is love you know Jesus said that it's
love God you know with all your heart
and with all your soul the second
commandment is love your neighbor as
yourself you know do those two things it
doesn't matter if you're a farmer or a
soldier what you're doing you know where
if you're exploring mysticism I mean
that's just the stuff that consumes our
time you know on what our interests are
you know what does a lot of people
listening who or who were into that so
it definitely and I beat them over the
head with that stuff you know and I
don't think we can hear it enough
because it's so easy to get you don't
make it about other things and I really
think that like Simon the sorcerer or
even in school
sure is a symbol of like going about it
the right way versus the wrong way doing
it like the deciders and knowing that
this dis costs my life it doesn't cost
money you just can't buy it it does cost
but it costs a life lay down to the you
know the call of God and and you receive
the anointing by this process you said
by learning and going through hardship
and that really changed my whole outlook
on the whole baptism of fire
you know that being baptized with the
fire of God is going through these
trials and being purified to be made as
fine gold and any things that come
through and uh and they really you you
you learn so much man and it's it's not
you can't get it any other way
you can't buy it you can't read a book
you can get knowledge and stuff like
that but it doesn't become real to you
until you actually have to go through it
and apply the wisdom and knowledge that
you get the wisdom on how to apply the
knowledge that you've gained yeah then
same thing that Simon the sorcerer or
Pontius Pilate they're just like us that
we all have our own ethical decisions
and trials and stuff of trying to
understand this you know that you see if
the Apostles do this and you want to do
this but what your motivation is you're
gonna have to learn you know a lesson to
help you move past that you know oh it's
all good though you know be positive and
you got a few more minutes yeah just
want to ask you man because I usually
start with this but what got you into
this stuff man where was your where did
your journey lead you through was it
through Christianity was it through
occultism as a teenager what got you to
the place you are now well my parents
didn't really go to church and stuff
because they had bad experiences in
church and so we didn't really go to it
yet we still kind of like believed in
God you know but is just [Â __Â ] that I
made up on my own you know because I
didn't really understand God never read
the Bible and stuff but I just thought
yeah even like a cultural understanding
of the you pray and then you're gonna go
to heaven and stuff you know just
complete nonsense so I was pretty lost
as a teenager and
then once I got at high school and stuff
I was looking for jobs and stuff I was
interested in hypnosis because I watched
hypnosis stage shows and stuff at the
fair and then I went into that and
started looking more at like mind over
matter stuff and using your mind to
influence things and you know really
make changes on your conscious and your
subconscious and doing things like that
and that brought me into kind of like
dowsing rods and pendulums and then the
Tarot and then Kabbalah and I would
always I would study like cabal like the
hermetic version of it you know like the
gold addon or something like that
like the magic portions of Kabbalah and
didn't really connect it as religion
really you know and then for awhile we
explored all kinds of different churches
and went to Mormon churches and Catholic
churches and everything little
denomination and stuff and just went to
those different things and saw all the
dogmas and everything like that and you
know learned all the lessons that you
were talking about of these people are
trying to lie to you this this guy's got
their own agendas and stuff like that
trying to figure it out and then it
finally came to the point that I'm like
yes it's our own just our spiritual
journey and you know there's good things
and all those different denominations
and churches and stuff that we just need
to learn from each other and what that
person is going through isn't the same
thing that I'm going through but I
started doing that stuff and got more
into Kabbalah and Tarot and stuff and
then I started going back into the Bible
more and once I read the Bible and stuff
then I was able to get a lot more out of
the Cabal and stuff because I was able
to see all the principles you know like
you're talking about the allegories and
stuff and how it applies to your life I
was able to see how all those principles
are displayed in the Kabbalah is like a
graph to try and help us understand it
and then went into the bike occultism
and alchemy and stuff which are all just
steel metaphors
of explaining those accents things do
symbolism and stuff and they started
really getting more back into like
Hebrew and the more Jewish parts of
Kabbalah on stuff
what year was that thing that was that
was all of this stuff going on for you
it's probably been over the past like 30
years or whatever that and you've kind
of thing like once you got into it you
just stuck with it you never got into
like the dark arts or anything like that
with it no I'm like a loving place like
a beautiful place yeah I've never
thought of yeah I needed summon demons
or stuff because I always thought that
there's a connection with God that would
be better than you know dealing with
some random ghost or something see I got
so I actually got in through the dark
the dark stuff at first you know but I
was in my adolescence and I've been able
to return to it with the light of Christ
you know yeah well I would do like
magical type things of like energy work
and stuff but more of like within me
that I'm doing like Reiki or something
like that or therapeutic touch was
popular back and like assassinating
people's ores and doing like the power
from within me you know doing more like
mind over matter psychological stuff
instead of like trusting and religious
and trusting and the spirit and stuff
where now I see more like everything in
the world I'd see it's like all
connections of God and God influencing
people and God influencing me and giving
me opportunities to make decisions said
I'm either gonna learn a lesson or I'm
gonna be given opportunities to either
help somebody or not help them that I'm
gonna be judged by and stuff or you know
coming in contact with other people like
you or when they'll do like classes or
whatever on the tarot at stores and
stuff you know you meet people and they
have all got their own unique spiritual
experiences and stuff and just try and
talk to them and put the pieces together
with without trying to be dogmatic like
the churches and stuff I used to go to
you know we we think eternity like you
don't send the more you get into it you
find like New Age New Agers and and
mystics who are a dogmatic as well yeah
like they can be no you have to
interpret this tarot card way
or something it's the only right way or
not I ask you this if if there was like
that from misconception or not because I
really don't know as far as like you
know you cuz the way you explained it
was like hey whatever it means to you
for this situation that do most people
hold that belief or is that just what
you've come to understand I'm sure you
get books that tell you what this person
means and what it means in it you know
yeah there's some people that memorize
certain card meanings and then they'll
just recite what the card means then you
know that they're kind of like following
like the dog much churches or whatever
that they're just restating the party
line or whatever on what they think it's
supposed to mean but aren't really using
their imaginations of creativity or
intuition and stuff then there's other
people that will only do stuff through
intuition and they'll lay out all these
cards and they'll just say other stuff
coming through their hand you know like
a medium or something without any
relation of comparing the cards at all
and you're like how are you getting that
off of the cards you know that I want to
at least have the symbols on the cards
or something on there get brought into
that you know but they just lay out
these cards and like completely ignore
them and just only give like their
psychic and pressure there's a lot of
that going on on Facebook I think so
many I mean I mean some of these like
spiritual groups and stuff and and
there's 17 people going live doing
readings at once and I'm just rolling
like oh my god and some people are like
you should be happy there's a young
people getting into the the art and
they're taking control of their
spiritual I was like man feel like
there's be an exploited man to make a
few dollars man yeah I'm coming in
contact with a lot of those people that
do like cold readings and stuff the
South Park episode the like greatest
douche in the universe or whatever that
one's worth watch if you haven't seen it
it's all yeah it's all about how they do
called readings like the like the
mediums that go out there and be like
I'm thinking of an inn you know is there
Mary and someone's like yeah Mary you
know yeah that I've seen people do that
and there will be they'll start off and
be completely like off
yes I'm kind of sensing that you have
like these these energies around you
that are that are like positive like
have you have have you had anybody
that's died in the past and yeah I'm
like grandma died I guess she's all on
you you know and as people like confirm
it then they start getting like all
literal and in it that they're just be
like yes she's saying that you know like
they're talking to him I'm like really
cause like three minutes ago you had no
idea you were just like I got these
energies but yeah but now you're now
you're like yeah this person saying this
and they want you to do this and you
know and you're like yeah that's fake an
electic stuff you know I think that it's
like psychology you know I've got a
degree in psychology yeah and mix that
with mysticism and meditation and all
that stuff and mix it with all religion
I think they all like interact with each
other but I don't I don't like the too
dogmatic like Christians that are you
have to do exactly what this church says
or you're going to hell someone's like
almost every Church man there's a few
that there's people are coming around
it's evolving for sure 100%
I mean I'm in a lot of online
communities and stuff like that a more
opening but yeah that's the it's nasty
it's nasty when you when you get into
that but yeah being able to like it Duke
those cold readings and stuff and it
muddies the water because I believe in
some of that to some extent you know um
but uh but you know what and I have a
lot of psychics on here it doesn't mean
I believe you know I'll yeah I'm like
I'm doing this the psychic I'm kind of
doing a psychiatric evaluation I mean
it's just how the mind works even with
you I'm like okay why do you believe
that okay why don't it kind of fits in
to my belief system here you know just
how this is how I've talked to so many
people and the pieces together you got
to watch those psychic fail videos
there's those compilations of psychic
fails where they'll you know be doing
the code read
or somebody will set them up and they'll
show you off camera how they set them up
and changed their name and and and the
people fall for it and it's like it
shows you because I you got to have a
healthy balance of seeing the the BS and
then seeing some of the more dancing
stuff and then you know with all of it
cuz then at the end of it you'll be able
to make a good assumption of like what
do you believe do you believe this is
legit do you still believe it after
you've seen all of these charlatans oh
yeah you know you're still gonna try to
tap into it I mean we've you know had
people on here who were talking about
you know having the crystals and the
rubies and things like that manifest out
of thin air and yeah they believed it
cuz they were watching some pastor and
the pastor came out to be a fraud in the
charlatans but he like they said that
they were having those encounters
because it opened up the the realm of
possibility in their mind that it was
real let alone that it was charlatans
doing it you know what I'm saying they
claim to have had those encounters
because the charlatans you know open
that up so it's just interesting how the
mind works in the realms of possibility
as well you know I stopped you know it
ceases to amaze me and that never ceases
to amaze me like how far it can go and
what's the limit okay it stops there it
stops with making objects manifest out
of thin air or Icke stops with Conte you
know talking to the ghost of there's no
such thing as ghosts so you're just
talking to a form of your psyche or
you're talking to yourself or whatever
it is really going on you know yeah and
all it oh that's everyone's just got
figured out you know how you're
interpreting it there what's going on
they say it could be lots of different
things you know they could be talking to
a ghost you know everyone's got their
own yeah I need to send you this video
they're called persona and it's just
talking about the psyche it's talking
about everything with trauma now but uh
channelers you know and I feel like
these people are going to a place deep
down that already that exists and
there's like a scapegoat you get the
blame the entity or you get to blame and
and I tell you what that study this may
open it up for you
you probably know some of this too but
the study of those familiar spirits in
the Bible of doing the study on
divination which talks about it was the
spirit of Python it's really what it
says and it goes back to the familiar
spirit which goes back to where we get
our word ventriloquist yeah someone who
channels or becomes like a puppet for a
spirit and it goes back to the spirit of
Python which was you know what it's
so-called entity that was being
channeled by the Oracle of Delphi and
and though in the priests you know and
it's really interesting that all that
stuff ties in together that they would
open it like open up their body for the
spirit to speak through them in the
familiar spirit ties back into the what
we call a ventriloquist which is so
interesting so I put all these clips
together and the mask and the scapegoat
because you get to blame the dummy you
know I didn't say that that was this
little that was this character here I
would never say that you know in this
weird confidence that comes up in you
and allows you to throw off the
restraint because there's no
repercussions
especially with channeling change your
voice hey I didn't say it was your uncle
John who said this yeah no does this
mean anything you know it's real the
psyche man and then again mysticism and
combining it all together and religion
and control and manipulation Wow
yes we're good I started out with I
started out with getting the therapy so
that is like you regress people back a
time and you go to these different
experiences in their life and then you
try and figure out how that experience
relates to what they came to get
hypnotized for on how they developed
claustrophobia or why they're smoking or
something like that you look for
connections so it's it is psychology
like stuff but like metaphysical or like
mysticism you know that it's all it's
all pretty much the same thing on how
you look at it you know that it's part
of psychology and you're just trying to
interpret why are they going to this
thing you know this particular point and
what's this experience have to do with
their current situation the
pretty much how tarot cards work too you
know but well I did that we would do
like past life regressions and stuff and
you know you'll see lots of interesting
and crazy things you know like he said
that are out there that's not
explainable and stuff and people go to
past lives and whether they're making up
a metaphor of what's going on in their
current life that they don't want to you
know they don't want experience that
they were molested or something in this
life so it's fine if they say it
happened in a past life you know they
still get the therapy and they still get
the help to process through that stuff
you know and whether they believe that
or not you know everyone's gonna have to
come up with their own beliefs you know
that's like our main purpose on life as
they answer pilots question of what is
truth you know everyone's got come up
with that answer but there's things in
that psychological room like that that
people will be able to you know like you
can do invisibility and stuff with
hypnosis and say like the objects I'm
holding is invisible and on the counter
you'll be able open your eyes and
they'll be able to tell you how many
fingers you're holding up behind a book
and they'd say well I don't know it
looked like you're just holding about
fingers because you said that the things
invisible you know but you know I will
like wonder wow how did they get that
information are they picking up some
slight subconscious thing I'm seeing a
reflection in my eyes that neither of us
are aware of or are they actually
sitting through the book because like
you said that they had faith you know no
conscious doubt but they couldn't do it
you know so there's things like that you
know that it's all interrelated you know
so I think all the whatever the
experience is it's a personalized you
know and if they go to a Pentecostal
church and get slain by the spirit
they're going to learn some discernment
through that you know in their life of
yeah I got suckered by these people or I
had this powerful experience you know
that's going to influence the things
that you do you know and I mean who's to
say if it's right or wrong you know we
just go we go through the things that we
go through so that we could learn and
build the best we can is all you can do
you know
can of you know faking miracles and you
know telling these fake stories about
demons I mean if there's a lot of
pastors and evangelists who tell you
these grandi I was in I was in the
jungles of Mexico and I'm a 10 foot
demon ran up on me in it and they're
making it up maybe I don't know but date
but it moves a crowd I mean I've got
stories that I'm not making up that I
think are similar but let's just go for
the ones who are making it up and they
kind of say like I'm building the
people's faith it's gonna make them more
it's gonna make them read their Bible
more they're gonna believe that God is
real they're gonna do this they're gonna
do that and so whether they're faking
miracles or telling you these fake
stories I had some Christians on I like
to explore that then I had a magician on
yeah so I wanted to give his take what
do you think you know Jesus did these
miracles and stuff and he's like well
you know with like the magicians and and
magic and stuff like you know they would
you know they would have to go put
fliers up and say there's a great
magician and you need to build the face
you know of the people the expectation
the placebo kicks in as well but um I
was like so is that right or is it wrong
and he wasn't a religious person so I'm
just kind of like trying to marry these
two worlds he's a stage magician and he
said well I would say that it was wrong
if you're charging for it if you're
doing the fake miracle if you're doing
the fake stuff and then you pass around
the offering plate he says I think that
that's when when it becomes for filthy
lucre's sake and you're deceiving people
and making money off of it he says I
think that that's where you abla should
draw the line of whether something's
good or bad yeah that's a charlatan
stuff of the tarot readers that have no
interest in the Tarot they're just
trying to rip people off you know they
got those people you know and then
there's people that are all dogmatic
that it has to be this way or and you
know nothing you know that you do it my
way or you're wrong you know that
they're no different than the self
righteous Christians that are being like
you have to do what my church says or
you're going to hell you know that they
all have those people you know it's
people just got to find the right
balance of being like yeah we're all
just doing the best we can and they
aren't you know you might not agree with
me you don't have to eat
walk your own path and have to figure
out stuff on your own let me see here if
anybody has any questions in the chat
that you want me to ask let me know
Christy Johnson here wants to know about
what are your thoughts on meditation and
Christ consciousness
I know trying to date things but yeah I
think Christ consciousness is like more
of like a new age
you know concept like related to
Buddhism or something or reaching or
bond and stuff that's in meditation it's
not really you know connected with the
Bible I think that the meaning of Christ
is anointed so it was the physical thing
you know like you said that there's the
literal thing that happens is that he
was baptized you know or David was
anointed by Samuel by dumping oil on his
head or priests get anointed and stuff
so that's the that's the physical
anointing but the spiritual anointing is
being filled with the Holy Spirit and
stuff so I don't think that it's
something that you bounce you know and
do like rhythmic breathing or pranayama
and balance your chakras and all this on
your third eye opens and you get Christ
consciousness I think that the Christ or
the anointing is being and dwelt by the
Spirit of God and that it's like a life
time a life long like journey that
you're going to reach that stuff you
know that you're gaining wisdom like
Solomon did so I don't I don't see it as
like meditation for you know like you're
going to bounce your chakras and get it
but I do think yeah you you you develop
your wisdom and stuff through meditating
so what I've done in the over the years
you know I originally get that you light
incense and certainly lotus position and
do all that stuff and to meditate but I
figured out now that and from my
experience as being a hypnotherapist and
stuff of just inner trance States and
stuff that you don't have to go through
these rituals you know I'll just try to
wake up you know go to bed early so that
I wake up early and
in that you know semi-conscious state
and interpret my dreams from the night
before be like wonder what that was
about and try and apply that to my life
which is basically defamation like
Daniel or Joseph or anybody did or your
I'll just lay there and think about
scripture you know and compare like you
said that the stories that are happening
in the Bible as how it relates to you
and how it affected you and that would
be developing the Christ consciousness
because you're developing wisdom by
contemplating these things so I think
that meditation is like the process of
contemplation of you're actually
thinking stuff instead of like emotional
experience of now that I've imagined
breathing in these colors now I'm going
to all of a sudden be enlightened you
know I think enlightenment is prompted
by the spirit within you or your
intuition and it's developed and you
understand it consciously through
contemplation yeah hope that answers the
question yeah way off I don't think that
it is negated by doing that I think that
you know I think that some of those
things you were talking about as far as
sitting in lotus posture breathing and
those techniques I think that they they
kind of help you stay in tune a little
bit more be more aware the interesting
they're just there's like hypnosis you
know just like hypnosis or anything it's
just a different approach to get into
the trance you know and today's learner
culture
you're saying the hypnosis makes you
aware of certain things or on a way of
it whatever right yeah I did a uh in my
book I talked about opening the third
eye and I started out as an article but
then I put it in the book and it's like
I don't think it's something that you do
I think it's something that you're born
with it open like being able to see in
the spirit or children being able to
sense things going around so as far as
like you saying like doing some type of
this is the steps to open your third eye
it's like there is no technique yeah and
in to attain enlightenment to keep doing
this or whatever in the same thing with
Christ consciousness like that word for
me as a Christian like it's one of my
most popular personal videos I did put
it out but I
let's explain Christ for Christ
consciousness as having the mind of
Christ renewing your mind doing what
Jesus did I mean that's you know and
kind of you know we're asking these
people who don't know the Christ about
how to attain Christ consciousness come
on so I think it's it's it's simple like
I said going through the trials and the
wisdom and learning hey that doesn't
work don't do it again and you begin to
have the mind of Christ and responding
how he responds so my view is definitely
right up there with yours let's see yeah
that's like go back to crib Jesus's
whole approach of that it's a personal
relationship that you go from servant to
friend to family member to you know
marriage to oneness you know the it is
would be the oneness you know it's just
how you define Christ consciousness you
know I I agree with you that you know
the oneness is what we're all trying to
obtain you know as understands mine to
God good yeah we which we already have
we're just moving in different layers of
understanding that and and knowing of
that's something that already is you
know with you becoming yeah that's where
the faith and your mind is a hold on I'm
more he loves me more oh I'm loved more
I'm accepted more I'm you know sort of
knowing the depth of that I think is uh
because you respond with gratitude you
respond with Thanksgiving you know what
I'm saying and I think it's all tied in
together right Chris Crick's wants to
know do you have a favorite Sephiroth or
sefirot path that you have and just like
a new path and just studying everything
probably wisdom is my favorite you know
that's what it's like why Maya
soon and in for riding is that by right
under there DW prudence for dwell with
prudence which is from Proverbs a 12 the
eye wisdom dwell with prudence you know
that I was kind of like always had like
the desire to figure out that's not me
but you know what I was like first
introduced to it and was like
is this woman wisdom in the Bible you
know and was just drawn to that you know
when I first started getting into
Kabbalah or anything like that but now
from mixing was studying alchemy and
cabal and stuff all this stuff on
pokémon everything is wisdom
so yeah that's probably my favorite one
it you know that I resonate with most is
focusing on wisdom like Solomon did and
all I could the kabbalah different than
a lot of people do is you know the
Cypriots rot it's a cube up-down
left-right
and stuff of good and evil and if the
beginning and end that God created time
and space and everything so the tree of
the sefirot didn't start up until like
the 11th century or something 80 and
everybody's got their own different
interpretations of it you know and they
assign the path difference in the
hermetic system or the law trionic
system and some of them say that the
pillar of mercy is the Great Father or
whatever and that the pillar of severity
is the great mother whatever but I don't
I don't follow that you know scheme her
system that people made up so I trace it
compared to the Bible of like proverbs
also in Chapter eight about wisdom and
stuff that she's like I was the first
creation of God and together we made the
world so I'll look at it that Keter that
the top is represents God or the yo you
know by himself before creation where he
gets the idea or the conception of what
he wants to create and then the first
creation is wisdom which in Proverbs 8
is talking about that yeah wisdom is the
first creation so it's the female trait
of the Shekinah or the spirit that God
sends into the world to interact with us
and that's what dwelt within the holiest
of Holies and dwells within us and is
the anointing spirit that filled Jesus
with all of his knowledge and wisdom and
Solomon with all of his knowledge with
so I'll look at the second set Roth is
wisdom as the spirit of God you're the
Ruach Elohim that God created first so
I'll send that a female attribute and
the entire pillar of Mercy I think is
female the pillar severe I think it's
more masculine because it's like going
out and trying stuff so like your
baptism of fire that men have to go and
work by the sweat of their brow and
stuff and go to war face all these
hardships or you know that we're kind of
more like cavemen and dumbass monkeys
are something that we learned the hard
way of going out and doing it where
women are more intellectual and able to
use their subconscious and intuition
like they're more in touch with their
intuition so they can learn to
constellation but we have to have the
balance of both contemplation and action
you know to be successful in the world
so I'll look at that Ben I for
understanding or intuitive intuition
would represent like the Garden of Eden
when everything was created by both God
or Jehovah and the woman wisdom so both
of them would be there so that would
represent like the h of the
Tetragrammaton and then from there the
lower pillars that's where we start
separating male from female of justice
and mercy you know so I think that there
aren't really different sexes at the top
but a example of creation and the
different worlds of the Cabal are just
like expressing the different
manifestations that first God started
out with his thought his plan and then
he started to create his plan you know
through creation and then things started
taking shape was formation and then in
the world of action that we're in the
you know the world that that's how magic
and everything works - is that you're
getting the magicians intent and trying
to manifest your platforms through
symbolism and stuff to make a magical
influence on the physical reality and
stuff but it's also how
goal is attained whether you're trying
to plan out a wedding or go to college
or anything that you like hey I want to
be a doctor or I'm gonna get married and
then you send out the invitations do the
wet you know you start planning out the
wedding it'll be like we'll get married
on this date and then do this
that's the creation start part where
you're creating the plan and then the
formation is once the caterers are hired
and the facilities rented out and stuff
and the invitations are sent then it
starts forming together and then you
find the final event that you make your
thought you know be brought into reality
and stuff so the Cabal is just like
expressing the whole process of creation
and stuff interesting and it may just
apply to that life as far as like you
know you're like made in that that
images' or the same process that God did
you're gonna do it like repeat that
process to create anything in your life
as far as like the you know the
manifestation process is concerned
they're coming yeah and it's the same as
if you're doing magic or if you're doing
any mundane thing you're trying to go to
college or whatever that this is my this
is my I want to be this profession I'm
gonna go to these schools and then I'm
gonna start getting experience so I mean
all this stuff is the same and it's just
like where do you want to read academic
stuff that you're studying the Bible or
if you're doing mysticism or if you're
running track or something you know that
whatever your life experiences you know
you're still doing the same mental
processes and stuff and then within it
you know that's I talked about how like
I the steps of creation were there that
the second one is wisdom and then
together they've made the world and then
tiffith would be represent Jesus or they
own and if on my website I've got like
videos that explain alchemy and stuff
and cabal and all the Hebrew letters and
the Tetragrammaton on how these things
fit but it explains like God so planned
for salvation of making up for you know
Adam and Eve and stuff and the last Adam
being the quickening spirit and stuff
and you know all that stuff it's so
detailed and like you said there's like
the literal translation of yeah this
happened and then there's the deeper
understanding
in the secret understanding and once
you're able to see how all the
connections make it stuff the world
makes more sense and like oh you guys
see how we're doing that you know and
that is like you know like you're saying
the oneness of the Christ consciousness
or enlightenment that once you're able
to put all those pieces together and
understand the mind of God you know
that's like your oneness with them that
you're able to empathize with them and
see how he's his thought processes are
and understand how the world works
that's more like your oneness and stuff
and that's not something that you're
going to get because you watch somebody
manifest a diamond or something you know
that's only something that you're gonna
get through your own experience of the
true baptism of fire or through
contemplation or your life experience or
learning things the hard way that
figured out people are lying to you or
questioning hey maybe maybe it could be
this other way you know maybe it could
be this you know that's awesome you say
that man because I'm not an expert
I don't know much at all really maybe an
overview of just a little bit from
videos I've watched and listened to and
stuff like that but the way you're
explaining that it reminds me into my
worldview if I'm interpreting this ride
just again going back to the
manifestation process because I've been
talking about a lot lately how creative
people who have all of these ideas but
they can never capitalized or execute
any of them because they have so many I
want to do that I want to do this and
they'll start they'll start them all but
kind of what you're explaining almost
sounds like how do I see something
through and - and berthed it into my
reality send out the Flyers you know
call the venue propose I kind of propose
there's no wedding if I don't propose
right so I'm talking about the the
problem that creatives fine because
we're made in the image and likeness of
God right and so he's a creator we are
we're creators in in His image and after
his likeness as well so is that does
that sound similar like somebody wants
to learn how to manifest their dreams in
reality or to kind of play it out like
that because yeah I know a lot of people
who are super creative but they can now
they can't it's always a new thing every
week they never have that consistency
I've been real big on that lately but
that's just what it reminds me of yeah I
would think that is like an imbalance on
the different pillars of the Cabal of
severity as I think is action and doing
that if you're just trying to do stuff
without then you know the thought and
stuff then you just run off in the wrong
direction you know and then you get you
know run three miles but like I just
went the wrong direction you know that
you got to stop first and plan out your
map to make sure that you're running the
right way that yeah then if you only
think of stuff and you have all these
plans but you never do anything then you
don't get anywhere you know that you do
a little bit of both of those yeah I'm
in a good place because I could just
kind of pick which one because that
somehow I had a whole bunch of them that
have started I just got to be able to
finish them what they think a lot of us
but no hypnosis is the same way that
you're taking somebody's ideas or
whatever that they want to quit smoking
or whatever and they got these beliefs
from watching TV or hearing people that
says yeah you're not going to be able to
quit easier whatever so no you put them
into a trance State and then you plant
the seed you're like I'm making the
blueprint your mind and this is how
you're gonna be the next time you give a
speech you're gonna be confident you're
gonna be it you know at ease and relaxed
and stuff you know like for like public
speaking it'll be something like
sometime in their past they were
humiliated or embarrassed and then they
know their subconscious is trying to
protect them from making the same
mistake by getting them all full of
butterflies and scared and sweating or
whatever and then you just in the
hypnotic state you go back to their
subconscious mind when they're a
meditative state you're like hey think
about it this way you know that just
because this happened in the past that
doesn't mean that it's gonna happen to
you every time you know now you're not
you know it's you're not a third grader
anymore you could be way more prepared
for giving your speech so just drop
those fears and instead let's think
about what you do want and then do uh
you know look which is a lot of what
magic is it's two is just create a
visualization and planning out you know
your sub your symbol
like gestures that you're making these
symbols and it's gonna do this you know
it's a it's the same process of you know
like I said with the Gabala of thinking
and scheduling the wedding and stuff you
know they all yeah you'll go into their
mind and be like okay next time when
you're gonna give the speech this is how
you want to feel so visualize yourself
speaking with confidence and expressing
yourself and getting everything that you
want to say done how you want to do it
and then remove that fear and then
through hypnosis you know they'll do
that because they'll just like driving a
car you drive subconsciously that when
you first learn how to drive it's super
hard but now you just get in there and
your body's doing all these movements
that you do not even paying attention
see so that's how the gnosis of work is
then the next time they give a speech
they just forget all of the stuff that
they're supposed to be scared as they're
supposed to be nervous but they'll live
out the blueprint that they got so
there's a lot about Christian hypnosis
now and I just I just used it uh I got a
friend of mine who they have their own
kind of formula with it but it's the
same thing you know it's just many
different names to get over my fear of
flying and I've never flown before but I
was just like super terrified and uh
went through a little session with them
and it was just like that like you know
letting it go and come into grips and
getting it out I mean there's this
little it's everyone does it different
but it's very much the same and if you
believe it it works and if you want it
to work you just kind of need that
permission or that person to kind of be
there with you and it worked you know it
you don't say it helped a lot
there was still other things that I
needed to do because it was a fear that
was within yet from a child again you
talking about that consciousness like
trying to protect you of being in this
situation where you think you're gonna
be in trouble so another question here
just kind of going with with dealing
with a couple the kabbalah because again
i don't know a lot about it and what
i've seen and read and watched has been
oh let me make sure this is connected i
want to make sure this comes across
because my internet looks like it's
messed it up
give me just one second because I think
this is gonna be a good good clip can
you hear me okay we're good
yeah okay beat just because I think this
is gonna be a good clip to to edit
because I don't know a lot about
Kabbalah what I have read and seen
reminds me of what I call the
sanctification process
it's like zooming in on this the
spiritual process of becoming purified
as gold and it's like all of these
different maps if you will and that's
just me from an outsider that's what it
that's what the first impression I get
with that being said there's a lot of
Christian ministries now starting to
take pieces of the Kabbalah and pieces
of the Zohar and kind of make their own
teachings behind it and use some of it
and incorporate it and they're getting
into some really interesting stuff on
the other hand there's other Christian
ministries who are catching wind of this
you know people going back and forth
saying hey yeah we studied a little bit
of the Kabbalah and they're like
rebuking it they're saying it's a
mnemonic it stay away from Kabbalah it's
not of God it doesn't fit my question to
you and this is going to be a good
snippet does Kabbalah and Christianity
go together or can it work together at
all yes I'd say that originally Kabbalah
was like in the cypriot Zara is an
expansion or the mystical interpretation
of Genesis so they're just looking at
the events of Genesis through a you know
more metaphysical and Mystikal approach
by examining letters and numbers and the
creation of the alphabet and the
creation of science and sound and
everything in that humans considered to
be intelligence and stuff you know and
our ability to write and everything but
that's what was being studied by a cabal
originally and then it just became like
a mystical approach and like the occult
it was kind of like more secret because
to hide it from the judgmental people
that are gonna be like no you can't do
that and stuff you know and you got to
take everything with a grain of salt and
not be like you
like whoever wrote the Zohar or Isaac
Luria or something it is the great
person that you have to listen to you
know just like listening to Luther or
Calvin or anybody like that everybody's
just people
none of them are running better than you
or me you know it's just their ideas
like what's it Moses to Leon who wrote
the Zohar
it's just his opinions there's spiritual
opinions based on commentaries of the
Bible and stuff you know and there's
stuff that you could learn from him you
know just like we talk and we learn from
each other that it's nothing you know
inherently good or bad and like you said
you don't get I don't worship I'm start
worshipping them to people you know I'm
not any smarter than you are you know or
anybody just because they wrote a book
you know we all just are exploring stuff
together so I want to see this dimension
oh man yeah I know yeah trying to not
cast my pearls before swine and they'll
turn it the tack off for sure hundred
percent that's part of the shoot that's
a lot of wisdom you learned that quick
yeah or you need to learn it quick and
I've gone to lots of churches where they
do the the trained rebuke that they put
you into the meditative state and you
start praying in there oh god please let
Daniel see how wrong he is and what a
sinner he has been you know it's Lord
whatever it was that got him off the
path lame come on
yeah I mean one time while I was there
they were like come on let us pray for
you I was like sure yeah and I the weird
thing about that though it was kind of
like it was it came back to me because I
did it to somebody else
yeah and and I was real big on
persecuting like false prophets and all
that kind of stuff and they I visited a
church anyway come on let's pray for you
let's pray for you okay
went up to the front and they're like
Lord heal them Lord you know I miss
always like bro yeah if you only knew me
you know like why don't we
you're like why don't you tell me when
my eyes are open and be like hey you're
really bit you know you're really being
bad or misled or something but wait they
leave pregnant
please let him know what an idiot he has
been all this time and let he should
have listened to me you don't see the
dad or wonder we will talk about like
when the Bible studies become or the
Bible studies are the prayer meetings
become gossip parties you know let's
pray for solo because he got into
Kabbalah really he's in Kabbalah all
girl he's in it but deep he's posting
that kind of stuff on Facebook
he made his own yeah you know yeah I
think that the Kabbalah is more like the
Jewish mysticism and the alchemy was
Christian mysticism Wow and they kind of
mixed together with like the
Rosicrucians which did both alchemy and
Kabbalah and that from that they got you
know like the Golden Dawn and all the
other little mystical orders and stuff
started and started taking their
philosophies and turned it into magic
and then house their crawley you know
kind of ripped off all the Golden Dawn
stuff of atheism things and turned it
into Wicca and stuff so you know all of
it is pretty much everyone's doing the
same things just different
interpretations of the same information
and they all say is any other say from a
Christian perspective or say Christian
that means so many different things are
different people but I say that you're
doing it in the light of Christ and you
and God and the Holy Spirit and just the
way you do things
so I could appreciate your judgment or
any of those paths safe for a young
person or someone who's interested in
doing it the right way or is it just to
do it by yourself and here a little
there a little kind of like we've been
talking about I think here a little
there little that there's good points
and you know anybody's opinions that's
all you're doing is looking at different
people's thoughts and therefore people's
opinions and yes some people have some
things that are value and some people
you know some of the stuff is garbage
you know yeah anything you know that you
like a writer and be like yeah this
stuff is really good really good but
then some of this stuff is like get us
up I'm so stupid right
so they want you to drain kool-aid it's
like damn it yeah it was going good for
a while you know yeah I'll do it a lot
with the concept about chemical concept
that solved that coagula which is
alchemy four separate and then
recombined that you take it you'll get
into whatever book or practice or
anything that you want and you take
what's good about it you know like an
alchemy that you extract the essential
oil out of the plant and then the
leftover crap that was there the dross
that was no good you discard that you
know and that's all we're doing is going
and interacting with other people and
taking what's good at their approaches
what works for you and then
incorporating that into your spiritual
life will getting rid of the garbage and
stuff when they say stuff like oh yeah
that's silly you know and just turn to
the best you can I think that a lot of
people you know you're just examining
people's spirituality in their thoughts
so if you go to like different
organizations and stuff her orders or
Mason's or Rosicrucians and stuff
there's lots of different Rosicrucian
things you know and they're not the same
beliefs of the original three manifestos
and stuff which are like way more
Christian you know now you'll get some
orders that are have all these Egyptian
stuff and you're like this is nothing to
do with the resolution is immuno so I
mean all this stuff is all about the
sermon that you have to solve that
coagula that you got to go there and
take with good out of it and get rid of
the bad and gather up all that's good in
you know to have the purified stuff
we're getting rid of you know so you
have the gold and get rid of the dross
I'd say you can do stuff it it's not bad
to interact with other people you know
that on my facebook on friends with lots
of Satanists and stuff including like
the ones that really believe it like
theistic Satanists that believe in Satan
compared to the atheist and stuff of the
temple of Satan or something and they're
just in different spots than me you know
and maybe we can learn some stuff from
each other or you know if people just
get too bad or too self-righteous I'll
delete them
you know if they're Christians or
whatever they are you do just don't need
negativity but if people are you know
trying to be cool and learn from each
other then yeah you know it's not bad
it's not like on movies that you opened
the Ouija board and now all these demons
are in your house they're you've opened
the portal to Hell or something you know
it's just you're hearing other people's
ideas and if they're Jehovah's Witnesses
or Mormons or Catholics just listen to
them you know love each other and try
and help each other figure out you know
where you're going and you don't have to
fix them they don't have to fix you you
know you just have to work on your own
personal relationship because that's
what it all comes down to and our bill
growth with their interactions with you
you know or not you know and you can you
can grow from having bad experiences
with people you know and meeting
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you know super wise people that impart
your knowledge on you or something it's
good stuff well ladies and gentlemen his
website is dwell with prudence calm I
have a deck of the retro Tarot of the
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I didn't know if it was the same thing
or not because I really like these and
so yeah it was good do you want here man
have this discussion and you've got a
couple books and stuff like that let
people know a little bit more about the
different products that you have man and
what what can uh you know they could how
they can benefit from those books well
on my website most of my products are on
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we're working on another book with them
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stuff most of my other stuff is just
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or the game crafter so you could
purchase them and they'll ship them to
you or I got books on Amazon and stuff
from their DW prudence and stuff what's
the difference between Kabbalah with a K
C and Q what's the difference with that
or is there it well Kabbalah is spelled
with the cuff which we would put as like
a Q but it's the same Hebrew word you
know however they do it you know and
they're just talking about the sound of
bucks which any of those letters make so
they'll usually do it that Kabbalah
would be like Jewish Kabbalah and Jewish
mysticism is with a K which is what it
usually is and then Christian Kabbalah
was short-lived time in like the
Renaissance and stuff that they spelled
it with the C and then they have like
hermetic stuff which is spelled with Q
which would that be like the golden dawn
and all those after that and that's
basically there with the Q they took
took the framework of the tree of the
Sephiroth and added Egyptian gods and
Odin and Norse gods and you know all
these other things to them you know as
part of a magical system
and the Krystian Bala was like an
attempt to continue on like the New
Testament is of the Old Testament to
incorporate Christ into it and then you
know the other Kabbalah is commentaries
on the Torah which is focus is more on
the Old Testament which is what the
Zohar is is just commentaries on the
Torah and then the Cypriots right is the
first book which is like a mystical ex
examination of the book of Genesis so I
think that they are all pretty much the
same thing you know or like an evolution
of it but Kabbalah with a que can be
used probably by New Agers or her
medicine or witches or anything like
that that they're just using the
framework of the Cabal and the
attributes which out without really
caring about you know the yo hey Bob hey
of the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob
where the other team pretty much are but
I'd say that in reality they're it's all
the same thing that you're still
studying the same topics and stuff so
I've gone back to just writing with a
que no matter what you know because it
is the philosophy that you're studying
you're just looking at it through your
own like lens of mysticism and like I
saying that nobody's correct it's just
your interpretation it's just your
mystical interpretation whether you were
a Jew or a Rosicrucian or her medicines
you know it were a New Ager or which you
know that you're just looking at it from
through your lens but it's it's all the
same stuff you know which is pretty much
any weather out there yeah just put your
yeah flare on it you're seasoning you
know what I'll take I'll take the
Kabbalah what to see though the
Christian version so that's what I'll
yeah well K is the Christian version
okay what I mean
Mystikal a little bit more mystical yeah
cuz in Hebrew it's just you know into
the sack same word no matter what you
know the only difference juices of the
letter is how you're spelling the actual
like phonetic sound so and it varies you
know that's kind of like a general rule
on that they'll put it in those three
different areas but it doesn't have to
be you know there's no there's nothing
set in stone it's really just a pinion
so it's only lights on what you do
somebody's using it it's almost like
it's almost like a sacred name or thing
as far as like yeah some people will see
you using it and get mad like oh you're
using that wrong and like again that
frame of reference that you don't even
have a framework for that it's a thing
yeah I wasn't supposed to use in the
queue yeah I know I was talking my
something different is that kind of like
- yes its sectarian stuff yeah dog well
no you have to define it this way it
doesn't have to be defined anyway you
know and I think that cabal is the same
thing just like the Old Testament the
New Testament that it is exact same
framework it but incorporating Jesus
into it and the bride and stuff helps
you to understand the concepts of the
Kay Kabbalah you know better and I think
that the C cabal was really short-lived
that they don't really have that as much
that you know now it's just what the K
and you know everyone figures it out
what you interpret on your own anyways
they do have a lot of they do have a lot
of the same stuff like they have the
marriage of tiffith and moku takes place
and yes it and that the jewish mysticism
is all about that yeah there's gonna be
the the marriage of the second like the
daughter of God gets married to the Son
of God you know and you're like you you
know your are talking about Jesus and
the Bride of Christ you know when his
disciples getting all brought back into
a family even though that it's exact
same thing it's just that the
Christian's have a little bit more of a
framework to explain it because they
have the teachings of yeah the church is
the bride and all of that stuff which
the Shekinah or the mother would end
well
the followers of Christ to do start the
alchemical work within them to make them
into you know to have the right wedding
clothes to become the bride response
prism yeah and it's all about still and
like I understand the history of the
Jews and stuff on how all of it makes
sense and stuff because Jews are
recognized through the your if you're a
Jew if your mother was a Jew so people
be like well Jesus couldn't have been
the you know Jesus couldn't have been
the first board because he's a bastard
and he doesn't have it you know he
doesn't have Joseph as as father like
will the Jews actually trace you know
through matrilineal that the only reason
Jesus would be a Jew is because he's
from Mary you know and how we're like
adopted into Christ or whatever is like
the same way that if Jews of a Jew dies
then his brother can marry the his wife
to bring her back into the family or
whatever or you know or Ruth or whatever
who's a Canaanite I think she was able
to become a Jew by marrying and see the
family so that's how the Christians of
the Gentiles get brought into the family
of God is that they have a brother
forever yeah yeah which is Jesus will
their father yeah yeah well they're
followers of Jesus you know like a
disciple or like a in the Tarot they
would represent the page and Jesus would
be the knight so they got the king and
the queen is God in the Shekinah and
then Jesus would be the knight and then
the page or the squire is like trying to
become like the knight and stuff but
then they also have you know because
it's multiple ley
of symbolism and metaphors on top of
each other you know to explain the same
concepts that the Bride of Christ gets
married into the family you know because
Jesus was actually conceived by the
Spirit of God and dwelling over Mary and
stuff so he's actually blood with God
you know where we are you know created a
Dirk or whatever and we're only being
united with that holy union through
marriage of the Bride of Christ you know
being United through marriage just like
the Jews would make somebody the female
if she's a Cain and I could become a Jew
by marrying into the Jews so that's all
everything intertwined you know
understand their old cultures and stuff
of the Old Testament New Testament
Kabbalah where it helps to have Chris
understand Christianity to understand
what the Karbala was talking about just
like Abraham wanted ever understood like
why did I have to go there and we're
just you know where'd this Ram come from
and why did I have to almost kill Isaac
you know but later on all that stuff
gets explained if you're looking at the
parallels of stuff that occurred and how
there foreshadowings of stuff like Moses
erecting that bronze serpent the
wilderness and stuff that makes no sense
if you don't know that Jesus is gonna
get crucified yeah it's it's interesting
they say the old is the new sealed in
the new is the old revealed and so it
gives you
I mean it's so it's like I know a lot of
times like if you're reading the
scriptures you some of it are being
italics as they're quoting the Old
Testament like quoting the arms or one
of the prophets but there's so much more
especially if you have a Bible that has
it in the clef notes there's like almost
a majority of the New Testament is the
Old Testament just kind of in a way that
we can understand that it becomes a
little bit more real like stuff they we
even think that Jesus or Paul made up
themselves was like them ordering the
law or something in the scriptures and
so it makes it makes it it makes study
and
a lot more fun too because you can go
back yeah that was this is the context
of what he's quoting this is literally
what he meant because he's you know
quoting this out of Isaiah or whatever
but you don't know it unless you have a
Bible that has the cleft notes to tell
you to look at it you know yeah if you
don't see the connections if you don't
see the connections and you don't know
why the event occurred in the first
place you know like all the stuff a
Passover you know that would be a weird
story if you if you don't know that yeah
Jesus is going to become the blood of
the land that's going to march you know
mark his followers and the chosen so
that they aren't destroyed by their sins
or whatever you know otherwise you just
look at it like so they use demanded the
Abraham kill his kid and they put the
blood of lambs over their door you know
and if you just look at all these things
of historical literal interpretations
about looking at how they connect to
everything else and see how the pieces
of the puzzles fit together then the you
know you'll be like the people are like
oh yeah
the Bible's all nonsense it's made up
and stuff I think yeah cos if you're
just looking at superficially and don't
see how it all makes sense and yeah some
of the stuff looks like nonsense you
know but if you start seeing how things
connect between multiple people's lives
over thousands of years and it's all the
same story and it is it you're able to
understand it within your own life and
your own interactions and stuff that
you've had that we're similar you know
then that's how you start learning
discernment and getting enlightenment
you know but it's something that people
have to do on their own and you can't
just be like hey this this person
manifested these jewels so our gonna
listen to him you know okay good stuff
well man do we got it something else
together man I really enjoyed this talk
with you bro so we definitely working
with similar similar paths man so yeah
get you back on the podcast as well okay
enjoyed it man everybody go check out
his website dwell with prudence calm
Daniel prudence thanks so much bro I've
really enjoyed it thanks so much
okay Gaeta blesses bro good night peace
that Daniel prudence ladies and
gentleman again dwell with prudence calm
I've got these uh say tarot cards I
don't really don't want I don't because
I can't read tarot don't know the Tarot
whatever but they have scriptures on
them and he said the new versions that
he created you can read the scriptures a
little bit better and but they'll have a
like here's the nativity and what we
just talking about the birth of Christ
in his lineage so the nativity kind of
makes sense I think they're cool in my
book I definitely covered a lot of the
stuff with scriptures write scripture
references not just ideas and what it
means but giving you like line upon line
precept upon precept of how the ancient
Hebrews the disciples used what we call
divination which means to divine to be
able to speak with the divine divination
that's what the word means and they used
the casting of lots I mean there's so
many other examples as well and I'll
give you some scriptural references on
that stuff as well he's done his his
research in his work he's got the cards
he's got a bunch of books and all that
stuff make sure you guys go check it out
support his work really believe in him I
like his spirit it's coming from a good
place a lot of these people you get on
here they know-it-alls they you know but
he's coming from a place of Christ of
Jesus and of lighting of love and of God
and the Father can't go wrong can't go
wrong says a lot but uh yeah there was
just all of these instances man and then
when when Jonah was on the on the boat
and running from God and then the boat
started to capsize because a storm
attempters froze up and was God was
trying to get Jonah off the boat and the
people are freaking out I don't know why
this storm has come upon them and they
said let us cast lots to find out who it
was so the people cast lots and the lot
fell upon Jonah and they knew that it
says God told them
that it was Jonah that he was looking
for because they cast lots and it told
him that in Genesis 30 Laban says that
uh I found favor if I have found favor
in your eyes
please stay I have learned by divination
that the Lord has blessed me because of
you so through divination Laban found
out that the Lord had blessed him
because of Joseph it says he added named
you ages and I will pay them
Genesis 44 15 Joseph said to them what
is this that you have done don't you
know that a man like me can find things
out by divination so he's bragging so
hey don't cross me man because I I can
go in this room and find out what you're
doing let me just spend a few minutes
with God through my practice of
divination whether it was the casting of
lots or a pendulum you know I don't know
but the casting of lots is definitely
what happened again in the New Testament
I think it's Acts chapter 1 talks about
that they had to pick the 13th disciple
when Judas left the fold and had to had
to have that sacred number twelve had to
find one more to fill his slots it says
Acts 1:26 and they drew lots for them
and the lot fell on matthäus
and he was numbered with the eleven
apostles so something they would trust
God with these big decisions that they
would make by just luck of the draw or
the game of chance they understood that
God was speaking to this and that they
were going to make that decision
something else to Proverbs 1818 casting
Lots causes contentions to cease and to
keep the mighty apart causes contentions
to see so it can determine a matter
right or wrong which way we're gonna go
left or right so there's a bunch of
other scriptures within the Bible that's
really interesting to speak about this
and uh the key one for me I think it's
Proverbs 16 33 it says the lot is cast
into the lap casting of the Lots the
rolling of the dice the pulling of the
straw whatever is cast into the lap but
it's it's every decision is from the
Lord
either the Bible is true or it's not the
light is cast into the lap but it's
every decision is from the Lord it
doesn't say that sometimes this decision
is from the Lord it doesn't say that in
the Old Testament its decision was from
the Lord
it says the light is cast into the lab
but it's every decision
it's from the Lord that God speaks this
way if you believe it there's a return
to this this is biblical man look up the
biblical term for divination and it
wasn't something bad when it was used in
the New Testament in the book of Acts
the term divination again he even Daniel
even said that some of the different
versions say different things not all of
them say divination some of them say
familiar spirit and and those things so
yeah it was the the word is Python and
divination in the spirit of Python it's
totally different things it's a
mistranslation so check it out a lot of
people say that you need a crutch it's
like you're dependent upon the cards
like if you don't have the cards and God
won't speak
give me my cards man what's God saying
bro what's he saying you got to be able
to know in the spirit it works with our
intuition it works off of you being able
to understand what the Lord is saying it
works off of your spiritual giftings and
abilities if you can operate in the word
of knowledge if not you can't read the
cards they're just pictures and phrases
they mean nothing you don't know how to
link them to the situation you don't
know how to hear or see how it fits in
there so that's what all things with
dreams and with visions and words of
knowledge if you don't know how to
interpret it then it's just imagination
because you know overactive imagination
then you can't read the signs so if it
interests you check it out and I
definitely believe it's it's something
that is biblical and so if it's in if it
was good enough for them it's good
enough for us that's what I believe
thanks for hanging out enjoyed it you
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