In this episode of The TruthSeekah Podcast TruthSeekah is joined by Marlene Pardo as they discuss stories of the supernatural and paranormal.
Marlene is a native Miamian and an author of fiction and non-fiction books. She is also the producer, host and narrator of the paranormal talk show, Stories of the Supernatural and the podcast shows Nightshade Diary, Supernatural StoryTime and the blog author of Stranger Than Fiction.
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Stories of the Supernatural and Paranormal | Marlene Pardo YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSR0wweXvBU Transcript source: YouTube captions Podcast truth seekers podcast buckle up everyone wear top Caelian UFOs ghosts spirit truth seeker and/or its affiliates are not responsible for any strange phenomena that may occur during or after listening to this podcast which may include the following heightened senses of awareness psychic abilities UFO sightings alien contact time loss out-of-body experiences ringing in the ears ESP lucid dreaming increasing chronicity astral projection telepathy stronger intuition levitation miraculous healings and remote viewing please be advised to listen a joint decision The Stand when I don't be what you come you are locked into the portal to the paranormal esoteric and all being spiritual sub ladies and gentlemen your host troop seeker this is the truth seeker podcast excited n delighted to be with you guys in today for another exciting episode 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first came out last year when we first connected and I was like wow it's been so long and we tried to make it happen but it was when the devil had control of my internet sabotage which is where just things will work out no matter how hard your video trying to work and I'm talking from scheduling all the way to electronics yep I know what you mean yeah being doing this stuff for this long you find out that uh you're at the mercy of all types of other energies but they're so funny too cuz like we'll put that out there cuz you wanted to talk about well I want to talk about the paranormal and all these stories and things that you've experienced and people you've interviewed and but you wanted to talk about the psychology behind it too and the mind and hypnosis and things like that which are all linked together and just speaking of this like things not working out the juju Todd with it because I just remember even last week having some talks with some friends they're trying to and I go through this all the time like building in a certain direction trying to make something happen and nothing's working like they're running in the blockages nobody's responding so they look to the divine well maybe God doesn't want me doing this maybe this isn't what I'm supposed to be doing just because it hasn't taken off yet you know and we kind of like tie that to the divine telling us know God said no because you got seven views on your podcast you know what I'm saying like that kind of thing and I think that there's two aspects to that what you're talking about and I think everybody's experienced it personally for you your people and I think there's two things I look at the psychological aspect and I study your subconscious a lot sometimes people sabotage themselves who their subconscious and a lot of weird ways it's not an arrant and they'll be asking themselves that same question you said man I'm trying so hard and this is not happening it's not working or they do something that kind of Doom's them to fail and it's either believe it or not they're afraid of being successful because then their comfort zone is where they're at and if they succeed even a little bit that unknown area that is very scary to the human human being subconscious their logical mind tells me hey I want to succeed I want to go forward but subconsciously they don't you're afraid of what comes with it especially success they sabotage themselves just a psychological aspect as far as what we do to ourselves this per se has nothing spiritual or mystical to it the flip side of it is is that one of the things that you have experienced personally inspire and you went down the right road if you want to say angels guide you doors open for you doors open for you you it's the opposite of what you're describing the obstacles are not there you meet the right person we get the right phone call and I'm gonna throw something in sometimes people want certain things and it's gotta be that thing that they be imagined or they prayed for it's gotta be that that way and they don't leave room or whether it's their expectations or the price for something better but sometimes we lock ourselves into this mindset that's gotta be that way or that outcome and maybe there's something catching you and you gotta let go a little bit how's that you gotta make me ask for something pray for something but did you know let's step back and let maybe something else that might be the better step in because you're limiting so I mean there's a lot of angles that scenario I know right do you think I mean you tied in self sabotage that's a big one you know of like wanting it so bad but then we get it you know we're scared it's a new environment and then we just burn bridges and self-sabotage for because it feels different it's we're not comfortable there it's a new territory and relationships get severed and stuff too with it because it brings about all these different ideas and but it's it almost seems like - it's like all of the stuff stems from just a shift in consciousness you know of like is God for me or is God against me is you know all the angels here to help me or are the demons out to get me right this whole shifting consciousness shift your perspective and what you bring in to your reality right it's just shifting you know changing the way that you look at things and then the things that you look at change right and it's much easier let's say myself I'm not saying that sometimes there is interference or spiritual turbulence that comes from that and I'm not saying no but sometimes it's much easier to lay the blame on that yeah versus thing I did so consciously subconsciously sometimes not obviously by the way most of the time it's not exactly like what you said if I start going in the direction of being success your believe it or not your subconscious mind will anticipate or know like you said and the relationships and it doesn't even necessarily have to be a significant other than friendships it could be even the place you work and your subconscious extrapolates and those if you get successful or you start going it that you know all these things around you will have to be fade away your you might even have to consciously make the decision to sever the authority and that scares most people yeah I mean there is gonna be a shifting there is gonna be a changing right I mean you know most people say that you change right when you start a new job you know things change circumstances and situations change like the wind sometimes and people are used to consistency we want the same thing I could see that in my own life of wanting something to be constant right we need stability and stuff it's ever-changing so stepping into those new seasons and the transitions can be hard especially when people already have you in a box and they already have you figured out they know your schedule you know but when you change whether it's getting a new job or stepping into you know becoming successful or whatever it is they say oh what you changed and it's not that you've changed for the bad but in their eyes you have you know what I'm saying because you're not meeting their needs like you used to you're stepping out of that that mold and maybe you don't have as much time as you used to that's a big one for me like I used to stay on the phone with with friends for like eight hours nine hours while I was a truck driver I have my earpiece and I talked to him all day and now I'm lucky if I talk to him once a week you know what I'm saying and they're like hey man you changed now your big time it's like no like if I'm talking to you that means I'm not creating where I'm not working now because it's changed up now now I just can't passively talk so people would look at all you don't have time for us anymore you know in those kind of situations people that I want to see success but what I mean success it could be anything it doesn't have to be celebrity status a lot of times success whatever escapes them because they get held back by that conversation you had their friends say and I don't want to say that they do it purposely with that I care hold you back yeah changing you know what you just said oh now you're your big time like you're too good for us that kind of deal some people are really are scared of falling into being that person and they they never let go they again it's also easier to say blame it on that you know I don't want to be thought of as the guy that ate you know forgot where you came from yeah yeah definitely comes with that I definitely had the experience in on many levels in and then you have the exam yourself am i changing am i becoming the douchebag exactly what you want to change for the good you want to change for the good you want to make sure that you you know you're doing that you know yes there are we change sometimes change comes in like I think of like a few by four and then there's other times that it's gradual you know but I think that we went problems when we really hold on and we dig in our heels and it's like I'm sure you've had that experience that's when you start a new job feel really uncomfortable you don't know anybody who don't know your boss and you're like man I want to go home and go to sleep sometimes that's good because that uncomfortableness means you're pushing out your horizons that's fine don't worry okay you might feel even anxious don't worry your anxieties that a peak and then you're gonna come down and then you know what a month later two months later three months later depending on what you do it's like it's all good you're okay yeah people that anxiety or that I don't know anybody and where they saying and I don't know what I'm doing they can't they just just cannot handle it it's like write it out and it's like everything not let the job a lot of things when you're doing something you and you're like man I don't know what I'm doing is this and you're like maybe I should just stop and sometimes it's you yourself not wanting to deal with that uncomfortable thing called change yeah you know so I mean there's a lot of things behind it and again and then there's another aspect which you mentioned which is when there's something pardon the pun coming out of left field which does is it interfering with your best laid plans or in your best efforts towards something yeah and uh I you know the anxiety the the butterflies in the stomach that's good because like eventually it's gonna go away you know what I'm saying I remember when I was working on the job and we'd have guys come down from corporate and then so everybody's on their best behavior the way we work want to make sure we do we're doing everything by the books and loading our trucks was what we were doing sorting parts and stuff in and everybody was like when the guy from corporate there was a level of respect you know and shaking their hand and being real professional and stuff like that everybody was just walking a fine line and I was too and I'm shaking her and hey how's it going I'm there you know and and then the the guy had to ride with me from corporate he rode with me and I was with him for like 14 hours one day and we get in the truck and he's just he's late lets loose he's telling dirty jokes and yeah and I'm like oh he's I heard you could speed up some and I'm like calling and nervous cuz they're like judging your driving and then and he's like a regular guy we get back to the office and then the next day he comes in and he's like hey what's up true seeker he's calling me my rap name and everybody else is still like walking on eggshells around this guy but I'm like man this is the this guy puts his pants on one leg at a time so it killed that weird facade that I had around this person that everybody else is still scared because of this position or notoriety or whatever so that was really weird you know and it was that happens that happens a lot with with jobs and people and stuff you know when stuff's a new and scary you know but some people that got comfortable istic they think they can't take it some people feel like anxious and and it's like don't worry being tight is that kind of killing you it's not and they'll gradually go away maybe a little by little every day you know and then they'll come a point where it we can't even remember that you feel comfortable same thing is when you start school you know when you're a kid and all those things but a lot of people and I'm talking about when you start trying to go forward in any field of life whatever it might be that they don't want to deal that would that change that uncomfortableness and I want to say a lot of people you know when they get it was a really old you know and your only regrets they look back and evil why didn't I do that you know when you're old and you realize some of the things that you thought really matter don't matter you know my girls oh well you know what you look at things that at that moment you thought were huge monumental I can make you know the risks seem so huge that you back down from it and when you're old you look back and you go why didn't I just try it you know why didn't I just do it that regret kind of thing and by this I mean you know calculator brisk I'm gonna say don't be stupid either but after what I calls though the execute you know a lot of you a plan a research you know and big measure and you know they do and then they never execute I hate that bar biggest enemy ask creatives it's obvious enemies to see an execution execution okay there's so many then you talk yourself out of it and you gotta feel good because no that was really the times not writer you know I figured out are you I read this blog that sense is really negative if they'll put off and they never do the e word there's a point and this is I think more faith comes then you got its to it you gotta jump you gotta like say okay worst-case scenario okay well I'm gonna do it because I'm gonna bang that I did my homework and it's just the point that I can't plan or research anymore or wait for the perfect time you know that the fort your time is not you know that excuse that people have the timing is not good you know what there's times that you've got to do it and dude wait call the key word execute and because otherwise again you will always have excuses well you know what once upon a time I thought of doing that but she's all wasn't a good time or whatever and that's all you got at the end of your life excuses but I think that kind of cheats us we cheat ourselves out of the human experience we do that yeah stepping out of the comfort zone you know and there's a quote I read on on Facebook today I think it was it says uh pretty much said a ship is safe on the shore but it wasn't created to be there it was created to the sail you know but it's safe as long as it as long as you stay here you're good as long as I stay at this job that I've been at for in years 15 years I'm good I'm good but it's not what I was created for I was created for much more I was created to sing I was created to create an album write a book start a podcast you know go to another job and just try it put in that application you know but it's scary we don't execute on we have all these ideas and I think that when you when you're plagued by those ideas you gotta you have to step out there's a slight begging you to step out rights to if you want to say it's God or the universe or whatever it's like beckoning you to Haiti come on man the waters right but I know you're scared but get through it you know well you know you hear a lot of people historically speaking I've been successful and then you know the autobiography of and you still say you know they had all these you know failures or if your creator stuff that wasn't good but we look at it like overall because we have the the availability of seeing that person's life in totality at the end they're worse but that day to day do you know how that person might have felt when they had those things that just didn't turn out better and it's like yeah but we want we want somebody to hold our Hennessy what if I guarantee at the end of everything everything will be okay how would you handle it if you if right now I would say whatever it is that you're gonna try to do whatever it is I guarantee you in the end everything will work out you'll be success people be like on over themselves like okay you know do it because it's again that's here of failure or of overcoming it and trying again and and again I want to say it's that thing that and I'm gonna say nowadays you know because we have so much access to people people think that that spotlight of failure will forever be on you at the end of the day people don't remember so you flub something it didn't work out right it was kind of bad okay and I'm talking here from the creator if you're creating something that's what that spotlight is not going to be on you forever and ever it doesn't matter fact most people are so into their thing that that's momentary the only one that's like carrying on your oh my god until here you last yourself with it is you you know it's like yeah yeah you saw Aaron Aaron stuff I've seen people do that on social media and I've tried not to maybe some of it slips I'll just because I'm so open but I've seen people like give their trolls in their accusers a platform and they will introduce their community and they're following their fan base to stuff that nobody knows about but these couple trolls are in boxing them or making videos that nobody's seen and then they'll start talking about it and share and say hey look what they did and now we're all looking into it because you gave because like you said you're the only one that's to you this is all men they're trying to get me you know and all these people are plotting out on me and it's really like to people but in your mind that's like oh man it's all of these people who are trying to end you and then you give them a platform and now everybody knows about it part of me a part of me kind of feels like I've seen some people do it and it's almost like they just want the attention like they're like they want to share it maybe it's a pity party maybe it's a war with me you know maybe hey I'm under attack guys looks help me or something right when people share it out because I know people they're known for like share it like when somebody sends them a mean message or makes fun of them they'll screenshot it and that's their Instagram post so it kind of like welcomes that and they're known for you know showing off these mean comments and stuff that they get right versus like I like to silence them I like to say hey you're not gonna hijack my platform and burst your screen shot hey everybody look what they said to me every now and then you know I just let people know that it's out there but some of it is like you know we're giving them a voice and allowing them to take credit for if you ignore somebody when somebody says something to get you to believe it or not for these people there's nothing worse than being ignored I'm not even gonna debate with your money that's worse because once you react gain control they made you react and then of course if you do is just described which is defend yourself or point them out look what they did look what they said they're in there whether they realize they're not without control they've gotten to you they've reached the wall or sure where as if you can or them it's like yeah all right people like that in like this and eventually they clean away and they move on to someone else yeah that they can that will react defend themselves basically see them point they're invisible and that's what you do in those cases and I hate to say it in our world where that happens a lot with the trolls that's exactly what you do yeah they are that's what they want they're trying to get you to respond and and I've seen people and I've done it I've done it to other people like back in the day just joking like saying cuz you know the mean comment is gonna get them to jump or to lash out and even though they were joking about it you know and uh oh I didn't really mean that I really love what you got going on with that well why would you say that and people have told me I said that because I knew that you would respond oh so you had to you know punch below the belt to get me to respond you know and they just want a reaction so yeah you feeding you know don't feed the trolls you know saying don't give them the attention that they seek make them build their own platform and all that kind of stuff somebody that's gonna start going out there to their audience and saying yeah what this person said all sudden this person was unknown okay it's a bunch of eyes on them and they're like yeah that's what I wanted all along yeah oh and I mean basically ha and I'd say how many celebrities nowadays you know that are famous because of notoriety that's it that's their only talent they're notorious if you look at their talents they're really don't have any per se okay they're just notorious and usually how they got there was they of the latter oh saying outrageous things to people that had some type of recognition audience whatever and then you know they just climbed the ladder out and it's like what you want to do but you're not going on my back yeah there's a lot of there's a bit it's getting bigger and bigger now especially on YouTube and stuff the reaction videos where you don't have to create comment you just do content you just do commentary on someone else's work critiquing the work making fun of the work being impressed by the work now you have to be an entertainer and get the people laughing or get them involved say little witty witty stuff but as far as like you you're getting big off of doing commentary on other people's music or current events or whatever which is really really strange and even in the Christian realm there's a bunch of that too I call them people have like a exposing ministry where they say so-and-so expose and so their whole platform is pointing out what you're doing wrong versus them creating something beautiful that didn't exist original that all they can do is piggyback off of what you've done but they're become a popular like people who people tune in they love just because the person has a personality or they're funny or or maybe they you know other people resonate with the cause who a bunch of people who are against what you're doing it's catching on now and there's a lot of people with these days I mean millions of subscribers just to produce to create their you doing a heavy lifting and they're the ones that are getting the views or whatever the case might be whatever yes and that's unfortunate who that is but and we go in here to the psychology of there's a point where you realize I cannot control these people you can't you know people sometimes get really frustrated anxious because let's say you've got some ways attacking you or doing something you can't you know unless let's say they're using your material for example but if you know there's something where if they're critiquing it blah blah blah fair right fair use whatever but there comes a point where you can not control everybody and people are frustrated and there's a point you gotta let go pray wait hope for the best and say you know what I know eventually we're gonna go down in flames whatever and let them get them burn out because you can not control everybody you can't and that goes you know whether it's what you described or even in our personal lives you can't control everybody and my effect really in reality only when you get control is yourself and maybe your children when they're small outside of that that's it that's it and once we get to that realization that you know because sometimes when we do that we can control it makes us feel safer more grounded stops the anxiety and when things are out of control and people are doing the same things and you're like what is this you know let it go once you let go of that responsibility goals ah wow that's a weight off my shoulders and and again you know like everything you have to calculate how much of an impact this person is really truly there's a lot and that's one thing I have to say especially nowadays things are very fleeting attention is very fleeting when it comes to things like that like you said now they're gonna use but a year from now they can nobody would even remember their name yeah but in that moment they're like wow it's very fleeting you know that kind of thing it comes quick and easy and it disappears just the same way yeah for sure um talk a little bit about your podcast I mean how many podcasts do you have I want to say because I have like a series of podcasts I have a supernatural for Miami those particles which is where I interview people I've got over 500 of that I also do a podcast another podcast series which is a supernatural story time and there I read people's stories or the experiences they've had with a supernatural paranormal I've been receiving emails since like the early 2000s of people that would send me emails and I kept them and and then there's a nice shape diary which is Irie Cass these are like classic those stories adventure stories some of the new ones maybe some Stephen King short stories you know for people that you know this is your free audio book thing that's just me I got like that going on yeah I interview a lot of people because after since I've been doing that through the paranormal work for so long I know a lot of people a lot of people that I knew that were doing it don't do that anymore and I tell everybody most people don't realize that in this for difference of pointing you for an out okay especially when you run across experiences with dark hauntings malevolence things of that nature I think there's something that your soul says you need to step away in other words you're how good how long you can do that without imperiling yourself it's this desert there's an expiration date on that and I do a lot of consulting I get a lot of phone calls from groups people that know me across the United States that were asking about certain things and but that's but I very rarely do I do an investigation number one I'm really busy number two because I want to say like especially now with the advent of the paranormal reality shows you get a lot of people that it's like when you're doing an investigation like okay you guys all you got is a lot of good imagination yes great and then you come across stuff where people are really and sometimes it's a legitimate haunting and then there's other things that are very dark I have found a lot of stuff where yeah there's something in the house trip I've been having problems that's attached to them and like I say to you know when I was doing the therapy and alternative side I dealt with a spiritual attachment okay and this is something that follows you around in other words doesn't matter where you live you've been a wonderful problem okay I mean I've seen that and that dialogue with spirits that are attached to people sometimes are human spirits and sometimes they're not okay so like I said there comes a point where you just step back at a little bit from it because how can I say and I'm gonna give you an example I tell everybody most hardcore investigators I knew that I was gonna get a case or that a case was legitimate because before I even went on the investigation I would have things happen or see things around where I lived as a matter of fact and I tell everybody I used to have my other property my office used to be like a detached garage and I had built it like little offices and on the side I used to have you know those uh those frosted glass on the on the window and I just have a little alleyway like where I used to put my trash cans instruction but nobody would normally be there it would just live out in my backyard that's why I would work from this was quiet and you don't know how many times I would see a shadow slipping back and forth somebody walking back there and when I would a lot of times I would say there's a few only window I had that I was like I'm gonna get a case or so I got in a case I know okay there's something up there because if you think that spiritual turbulence or whether it's an intelligent a haunting or whatever's going on it's gonna want you to get there I got news for you it doesn't it comes to check you out and interfere depending on what's going on or ask for help by the way sometimes you legitimately have a human soul that was trapped that needed to be hostile or needed to be helped okay and they're making they they don't wait for you to show up now some saying most people that are truly have done paranormal work it doesn't really start when you drive up to where you're going if they come to see you and there comes a point you know when he which is reelection why I just I'm just doing the podcast and into really people because there I've been doing it for so long that I said I need to just step back from this because as a matter of fact when I was doing the hypnotherapy I used to have people come to that office which was at my house and after a while and then I'm using this other property where I'm at now and I what I'm singing now it used to be my office as well and I used to bring my clients here yeah come on point I said this is not smart I'm gonna stop this and I'm not talking about safe here than physical you know safety I did it because it was beating over to my personal life and you have to have really strong boundaries because a lot of people despite what they see on these paranormal reality shows like oh that's much fun you don't use mere places and there's up not all the time but there's an inherent and spiritual danger involved during this work anybody will underestimate that yeah can can fascination with that stuff and can that open up doors especially not knowing what you're doing to like demonic possession and things like that hauntings coming back with you like you go even go to a place and come back and now the thing is attached or other things that are similar it's attached because you're an open vessel yes like attracts like in the metaphysical realm you like attracts like okay if you're an angry person okay if you're a sad person let's say you're a normal person but you're going through something in your life you might be really sad maybe here a little bit depressed I'm very careful about using what you test because I you can be sad this would be depressed okay people we don't want to go from 0 to 60 you know we're human beings you know be sad you know and it doesn't mean depression as a clinical depression but let's say something going on in your personal life we'd be really sad for it's not like an overnight sadness you've been sized a loss of a job a relationship your side if you're feeling with it sometimes it opens you up when you go list out an investigation or someplace will you become the target your defenses are down even on a spiritual level or you're an angry person you know so yes it's a license light and you can that you were saying that you could have an attachment from that ok there's different levels from attachment you know whether its influence of oppression and fest Asian obsession to outright possession okay normally if you're okay if something tries to influence you they might hang around and you might get like a weird let's say you come back from all these places for a couple of days you think it's stuff that that's like that's not like like she's really weird means sometimes you're riffing stuff like what but then you dismiss it and then it goes away or you'll say something why did I say that that's for bad or live and then it goes away because depending on your lifestyle your spiritual how you are spiritually and by this I'm not saying in any direction I'm just saying that it goes away because it just cannot get in that attachment it doesn't is not able to surpass what it is but if you're not there that you could get a very very horrible attachment especially something when you have a spirit that's not in the presence of the nikon okay let's let's go with the human spirit that's spirit is normally angry frustrated the worst human characteristics are there either because there are the presence of divine or they would that kind of human being to begin with okay and that's where you get a lot of people if people think it's really demonic you can have an attachment or really bad person that was just a bad human being nothing per se as far as they're not a human but and then I've had attachments that people start after a while assuming the characteristics and doing things that really has to do they attachment or the interference from hurts fear oh yeah it's a it's it's a very it's a very slippery slope and like you said the fascination with that that right there is your first then you have to like pull yourself back and not okay and that's the thing that I tell anybody some people think of your fascination with a paranormal like okay what they see in the movies yeah weird stuff furniture flies through here that's not the way it works sometimes it will unravel your life little by okay it might even take weeks months years I've seen that the point of origin was a spiritual attachment where somebody has an okay life like a sudden it starts sliding god forbid you're on the precipice I'm not doing that well it will push you over and sometimes you know how it works I tell anybody it's your little voice that little push to push you over the edge - I don't have to be that major you know like that football possession you know your head spins around no no no all you need is to do the one horrible thing that you get that voice or that little moment of madness for lack of a better word if you do it the thought takes that's all it takes and I was downhill from there of course that's when you see people that they fall and engineered oppression focus this isolation so on and so forth so people can blame it on mental illness and by the way one thing you can have things some people say Oh either it's spiritual attachments or it's a mental illness no you have a behavior disorder and this thing is making you a hundred times worse then you would be without that interference so I mean there's that fascination you have to be really really careful because I want to say that it's been numb not want to say I mean I know it's finally you think of a haunted house or these people they're legends roofie but you can be really careful because people don't realize it sometimes you you get more than what you bargained for what are some of the most convincing or intriguing stories that you've read testimonies that you've got experiences that you know to be true whether they're your own or whether you've read them from other people like I have both I have my own experiences you know I know other people's stuff but what is some other like the what are some of the meat and potatoes of whether it's aliens demon spirits angels that came through and just your stories in them you know I'm saying when winning when the veil is standing they cross over to the side what are some of the most intriguing experience not you've heard of young guy I think originally for him to stop smoking he was up smoking in hey by the way this guy had his life together in a great job he was maybe mid-twenties he was doing good his job everything in his life and he came to me and he asked me you know stop smoking which by the way a lot of the people that eventually did alternative hypnosis with me started coming in so regular stuff weight control that's a stressful thing going on so one time he calls me up and he says look I need to see me about something sure what is it and he says look I have this problem where I don't usually drink when I go out with on the weekends with my Franks I have a couple of drinks i black out and I start doing stuff crazy stuff he has I wrecked stuff I've I've run across highways my friends are starting to get scared of going out with me because and I guess and I can't remember it he says they're telling me yeah you did this and you did that and it's just and I can't remember it and he says it doesn't take that much alcohol and I'm usually not a drinker it sounds like somebody that was having blackouts because hey you're drinking so much that you're having blackouts and of course you don't remember here's my friends are like man we're going out with you is like he says he had wrecked places I said okay well it knows there's something going on whatever just telling me that he felt stuff like him since he was 12 or 13 so what's really plenty of usually I would I used to have another hypnotherapist number with me and that day she couldn't be there but says I already knew him from before I said sure come on over all right well I put him under and guess what he had a demonic attachment and this thing starts making his body go talking to me in a voice that was not his okay and by the way when you put somebody there hypnosis and everything and you this is not like somebody off the street that I had no idea who they were and you can tell there's certain things that you could tell and thankfully it was a low-grade demonic attachment which meant it wasn't that really intelligent was just really malevolence and and basically this was it turns out that this thing was interfering that satellite come because he was working in the field of illegally for to stop human trafficking you call the distinguished trying to sabotage what he was doing in his regular work yeah okay because at some point I was like okay how do how does this happening this is and then because believe it or not there comes a point that they will talk to you they do correspond back to you and and now and now before you I when I do this work I call on angelic help okay I do call me tell excel at protection and they're there and they're gonna leave one way or the other voluntarily are they gonna be taken out you know it's like this is not like oh you don't want to go because of course you're not gonna want to go but I've seen transformation and I was like that of people with attachments and the reason why I pointed that out is that again people think that when you have a demonic attachment you're acting weird okay all the time you know like you got to stand on your head like that sometimes people can be acting kind of normal or from the outside look like have a normal life going on and then stuff like this will happen and basically what that thing was trying to do was at some point that he would do something so outrageous and but end up getting arrested and then be real what he was doing because he was at that point he was working some attorneys that would legally work in to stop human trafficking and he was thinking to himself he was studying eventually to become an attorney specializing in that type in that area which is by the way here it's a very intense type of work it is alright and that's a whole thing as far as you want to talk about demonic activity human trafficking Jennifer there's the hallmark of it that whole thing is whatever yeah hey kids are cages and stuff oh I mean just everything it's because you have to understand one thing is a smuggling and the other thing is a trafficking to different things you can use something to traffic somebody that have been smuggled they get traffic in the United States you know the child prostitution okay taken from one city trafficking basically is taking them from one point A to point B for the purposes of whatever it is okay whether sometimes it's prostitution sometimes it's believe it I could even be middle labor doesn't you know it doesn't necessarily just have to be from a sexual aspect so he was into that and this is what this thing was doing and luckily like I said I got it well they I have seen just to kick it out and it was but this thing this he became a different person I used to have like a one of those easy chairs you know the ones that you pull your feet back up that's where I was working my spy inside and this he started to like his body went like in ways that can I was thinking of oh my god learning you know all the things about to have your other here out for you you know but it was like one of these music when you're there you got a handle it you can't back down and part of it comes from having enough belief in faith that you're protected from a spiritual or angelic realm okay as to really in other words this is when you really really know if you believe truly believe in your heart what you say you know as far as being protected or believing in angels or calling for the protection of whatever it is that divine God however you whatever is that that's in your universe that you feel protects you this is when you really find out do you believe or do you go oh no no no no no yeah and I tell ya a lot of my cases were people that would say there's a lot of times they would end up especially earlier when you know psychic you know paranormal investigation is not so popular people basically come to you like you're my last hope a lot of times I had gone to clergy or anybody from the church if they have even people that weren't Church but we know what end up in the church asking for help yeah for sure we had a lot of people say look they kind of told me that I was crazy I didn't believe you I said no they believe you no no they don't believe yes they do really like what do you mean I go they believe me they're scared of it you're scared of it they you come to them with marriage problems with a kid that's a rule II with some type of crisis they'll help you they'll help you this they understand you very well nine times out of ten because when you work with people that say whether you're a priest or some fleur G you work with people you kind of figure out who's the ones them not well too tight when somebody walks in there you know this person the legit that describes them with a really scared or you know you y'all that you telling the truth but what are you gonna tell us I believe you but I'm scared I'm scared of helping you and this person turn around say but wait a minute you're supposed to be the leader of this church or this congregation how can you be scared so the alternative is to panic a little bit dismissive or making a change a change or that you know you're imagining it or that yeah oh yeah they believe it all those things I don't really happy a lot of times like I said I would want to cause those people that were at the ropes end because who they thought was going to help them because of this by the way this is a spiritual crush okay if you think they have some type of infestation in your house whether it's a regular human spirit a haunting a residual something that's just you know on a move it's normal for you to go seek help from somebody that deals in the spiritual you know that you don't go to your therapist and go by the way I think how it goes I hear these weird sounds or somebody breathing on me when I would sleep and you is gonna go okay well let me pick out let me take out my little prescription I think if you could take this pill you know that's not who you go to from your oh yeah and yeah that's a matter of fact that's when I wrote one of my books supernatural safety paranormal DIY and in there you know I give a lot of ideas and instructions on what to do for people because people listen up you keep them in power couple of instances where a whole bunch will be the cavalry know you need help on this but there's a lot of stuff that people give away their power to easily and they don't defend themselves on a spiritual level inside their home for themselves places where they distrust you people these are the hospitals to big crowds gotta be real careful what could jump on you I've had people when you ask me cases you know when people you know sometimes you try to figure out what's the point of origin what's your triggering event what does it start happening for you you know and you know you know I get people who think well you know and it was like you know well it was you know what you know what I went to my friend's funeral there was a mass of people and there was a lot of people and what else you know and then you backtrack something they picked up and like I said it's slowly intrumental okay and then you know it carries on I mean there's a lot of different ways but the fascination are absolutely that's like come on down yeah sure I want to talk to you I'm going to give you an invitation that's another thing a lot of these entities especially if they are non-human especially they're not they're waiting for an invitation people don't realize an invitation is not like us you know RSVP an invitation to the exactly nice little set I'm fascinated with you I want to communicate with you I know you're really scared and it's something you hear scratching under your bed and you're like oh you know I would do this no more it's like today yeah so yeah I remember when I was in my dark night in Dillon all type of crazy witchcraft and opening my - spirits which we talked about on your podcast I called a bunch of charges like every Church in the in the in the yellow pages in my area and I called like 15 one of them called me back out of 15 churches I left voicemails I think it was like on a Saturday left the voicemails and one of those churches called me back they believed you they believed as a matter of fact 100% it wasn't a question of so hard it's too hard too much work No dangerous dangerous spiritually you're like I'm that Peter power panseok's or you might be pretending to do spiritually okay but you're not even though you might be many other congregations the last thing you want is to come up against something like that so yeah I bet you a good majority on your all people enjoy some comments in the chat here I a lot of people want to know what what all animals you got we're getting some about the animals so right now let's say we had a couple comments they're saying here they say okay a parrot roosters birds and and there's a debate if there's some monkeys in there or chips I've got parents a lot of different parrots I've got 10 dogs which is probably the month you heard or the dog - yeah yeah and I've got a lot of chickens and roosters I got free-range ones I don't call them I don't kill them I just use them for eggs as a matter of fact that's what I supply most of my areas agricultural people that want eggs from for the we hands or their much more color they got an incubator I saw the eggs from my chickens but I got a free-range and I've hand raced most of them so most of them just you know my roosters and you know and everything they're always wandering right I don't have cooped up you know they come in boosters yeah you can't control animals and Adam said like a Adam star seed Bay he's in the common he said Wow all the animals stopped talking when she stopped talking to the point that I can only record my podcasts like especially the other ones when I marry at night because everybody quites down oh and I want to tell you you know what they weren't listening to the monkey think it's a guinea hen yeah it's really funny because at night you know most people no birds will start your roots to make quiet down am I oh my cave roost and everything well when I they hear me talking from a little mic it'll be 11 o'clock at night and I'll have my roosters start rolling it it's like you guys they hear my voice and they'll start throwing unit which nighttime and it's like I can't believe this so yeah they they kind of like that they're kind of they know my voice I think mostly it's because I feed them yeah I know they have some but yeah I'm the food source on the lady with the yes the hand that feeds and another question here Christie wants to know the power of meditation where does meditation come into play with spiritual practice and connecting with the divine and you know having it definitely comes into play with the psyche and with consciousness right kind of getting a game plan and quieting things down but for you where does meditation come into play and your studies on that meditation and I'm going to tell you something especially nowadays where you get so attached to computer or being in front of a screen or the TV and what I mean meditation doesn't have to be that you get into your lowest position and go from shell I think that there's a time that we need on a daily basis that we empty our mind out that we just sometimes it's just a thing what's going on in my life just like no music by the way that's very hard it's very hard most people you know and I know it sometimes when I do it I said poison I'm thinking okay I'm here but then I start like a mental you gotta give yourself a few minutes that's doing that and just empty your mind down and meditate and whatever it is and if you put out and receive okay matter of fact a lot of inspiration when you do that is when you hear it and I think we all are human so you need that okay whether you depending where you're at go outside go someplace you know leave this phone behind you know no no music will not be and just let your mind wander and think about stuff and process things and you know and a lot of not so much what you think what what you feel people confuse these things what you feel might be totally different than what you're thinking okay and basically feel what you're going to feel not fight it or and then let some thoughts come forward and just just like empty your mind out listen type of meditation depending everybody is different practice meditation it's not when you have got to have that moment apart and you until you get into it you will fight it because you're always I hate to say we multitasking all the time it's like I'm doing this and I'm already thinking what I want to do next that type of man and believe it or not that spiritually gives you like um it's almost like an all-knowing thing they just you know you know that saying to thine own self your true nobody and I mean nobody getting your parents will know you know you know your stuff okay nobody nobody like yourself and it's those moments where you start learning about you the good of the bad the ugly whatever the implement all the perfection of imperfection can you acknowledge it and by the way this is the time also when you start learning self talk to yourself don't talk to yourself the way some people talk to themselves in other words you can't yourself that inner dialogue whether it's not meditation you may be something stupid that day instead of like it's like man I made a mistake I should shoot again and I mean you know nobody has to learn it and that what I'm saying is meditation could take a lot of forms and even if you do it for a short amount of time 10 minutes depending on what you by the time you die you need to do that I think absolutely you need to do that and basically you're become an Aussie it's a practice of spiritual self preservation control your weight yes yeah I think it's really powerful too for all of those reasons and those are the best ones I like to do like you said just just getting every thought out of your mind and anything that comes in just getting it out and focusing on nothing just being sitting in silence at true silence mental silence right you know just the Scriptures talk about like how powerful it is to sit in silence but you know if we're not clear in our mind we're not truly sitting in silence are we because we got all these other things on our mind that we want to do where we're gonna eat tonight what are we doing next weekend you know and all these things come into play and you got to work on silencing the mind so sitting in silences yes so powerful yep a lot of the good ones a lot of the ones you should focus on because the creators we have so many ideas as it is but when you go there it's like okay which ones are what's the ones you're taking shower when you're kind of subconscious yep no like man wait a minute what did I think wait you know you have a problem or an ID I wasn't it like hits us wait wait a minute why didn't I think of that yeah you know it's when you empty out your mind from that constant you know and whether we do it you know like I tell everybody you know like you know you remember like a circular saw it's always going some people never turn off the circular saw it's always me turn it off yeah yep all right and let whatever is gonna slip out slip in without think about it you're all set it you're right shower for me it's like you don't say cutting grass or jogging or something cuz you're in somewhere that you can't really escape like you have to you have to do it whether you're taking the shower like you know it's something that your body knows how to do in your mind doesn't have to be there kind of thing I'm saying and then that's when it happens a lot of time for a lot of people they talk about using the restroom sitting on the toilet because all these inspirational things come to them when they're not playing on their cell phone I've heard like a lot of Christian worship leaders right beautiful worship songs and they say well [Â __Â ] writers I was sitting on the toilet and these words just came to me you know when I wasn't preoccupied with something else you know and they write it down when they wake up in the middle of the night sometimes even yeah and they'll go and it's like like that 400 light bulb goes off in your head yeah when I was writing the book I made it a point to get up at like 4:30 every morning and I'd step outside for a minute make me a cup of coffee kind of stargaze stars were still out and then I'd sit down and start writing but I'm just I'm not that far out like everybody's still asleep the world is at least my areas more quiet and still right now and I was just right and and sometimes it would be weird stuff but I would just be obedient just to get it out of me you know what I'm saying like I'm not like I don't know if this fits but since it's coming to me I'm putting it in you know what sometimes ideas come from and later on you figure out what in other words it's like does that make sense at the moment you get it or like and then later on it does cuz again this is the thing you know sometimes it's fine it's really weird and it talks to you in symbols okay if I say the word trashcan you don't teach you the word trashcan you see a trashcan you're mine that's how your mind works that's how we talk to you in symbols depending on what the symbol means to you only you okay so sometimes you'll get these ideas and the symbology sometimes you get literally what is there really and I hate to say sometimes it's subconscious mind does it it's been trying to get your attention and you're not paying attention so sometimes it shows that you know a lot of weird weird dreams you know we have a really weird week that you're like what is that or who's that person I've never seen that person in my dream that's your subconscious trying to communicate something to you that you just not either recognizing on a on a conscious level and that's why sometimes it is important to know things and you get the further side later on it makes sense yeah the dreams can be weird especially when they're places and people that you only know in the dreams like a town that you frequent in your dream and you're you're starting to learn the scenery and school that you like a lot of times I'll go to school like I'll be back in school again and and this is a school that exists somewhere there's like layouts to the hallway but it's not it's weird you know these people in these friends and these things only exist in the dream state pretty crazy I know I've never been I want to go like I want I got like I feel like I know these people and you wake up kind of sad sometimes like damn I miss my friends you know I wish they were real we were so close you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna talk about spiritually and I was surprised sometimes I missed what's currently going on with your who should be seeing about school points the creation of hopeless and healthy lineup oh my god are they crazy do they know what they're really I mean people understand really what a talk what is okay you know it's basically a Tibetans there's a thought one that you create out of any tense you know and you animate I think it's a point where it becomes self-conscious and I'm seeing that he's out there doing it I'm like that's so dangerous because he takes up a lot of times what you think is a platform it's not your top one you know and hear this do something there's a lady who's her name her name is Alexandra no it's like that she was a turn-of-the-century she she snuck into the Forbidden City in Tibet she did a lot of studies in the mysticism and she herself said she she tried and she created a little monk out of her thought forms and she says that eventually other people started to see him around her camp and she would dress a man and she would she was going into Tibet and all that to the point and she was very adept at which was she started to undo him because he speaks thirty some malicious okay and other people started to be able to see him you know when she wasn't around so and I've learned you know I had some people not everybody used to know what a TOEFL was and now I'm seeing that there's out there sites of selling telling especially young teenagers how to create a Tulpa because they're always talked about it in my persona video I'm not sure if I put it in my book or not I know I was I felt like I deleted the section that was I can't remember though so but I talked about him in my in my video that I did called persona talking about channeling and creating entities and things like that that we do I think tattling is a form of that stuff as well like creating these entities or you getting in a persona the scapegoat factor hey it wasn't me it was the one arm demand you know and my imaginary friend or the devil told me to do it like no no he didn't want you blaming the you wanted to do that you know what I'm saying like having a scapegoat I talked a lot about I just had a psychology behind the mind and how it works we're dealing with these different types of entities because they only exist to you you know you go to the you know if you was to call the doctor again while having spiritual problems and tell them you're seeing these spirits the doctors not gonna believe you only you believe you you know because to them they don't exist so you know it's something that you have to fight and you have to deal with these demons that you've crowded now can you imagine what you purposely created basically there's you know I'm talking about the total where basically you think you're three animating giving a thought form that you create a certain characteristics and you made it a certain way and supposedly at some point it becomes self-aware and it's not on your control anyway and you know I've heard of people do it you know especially if you're young and stupid uh-uh it's like I'm not lonely anymore and it's like I'm telling you right here like you know what your friends need to be made of flesh and blood sorry you know what I'm saying introverts don't make friends easily and if they have friends maybe you don't have a couple that's okay that's fine but your friends need to be made of Russian life I don't know if I talked about this on your podcasts or not but as I look back at my life as a teenager I was alone a lot an overactive imagination but a lot of my time I was alone I had friends but there was a lot of time spent alone and and now that I look back on it some of the different rituals occult rituals that I did trying to make pacts were with demons was simply because I was alone and I wanted a friend literally like I was a teenager and I'm trying to contact entities out of the Satanic Bible just because I wanted a friend isn't that crazy yes you know what loneliness fear rejection age those things by deep deep yeah yeah hey will relate later what we're a little bit older and life shakes is about a little bit you realize that was not stupid but when you're that age it is and think about it something that you conjure few thing is always gonna be in your porn let's face it so it's much easier than making a friend that might betray you or just some people they just you're just dying it just they don't feel like being around a bunch of people and then like you said to become a little bit isolated and next thing you know but they still hunger for somebody that will dialogue with them in a policy what you're describing you know you know and I think it's weird when it gets dangerous when we get into demons and lower level entities and stuff but part of the reason I'm so infatuated was with the Bible and God and my Christian faith is the fact that some of these things that were mentioning like it says that God becomes that for you like for the UM for the fatherless for that person who's never had a father that to stay or consistent mail a man figure like the God says I will be a father unto you I'm never gonna use I'll never leave you and I'll never forsake you like and we see women who have been through like abandonment issues and yeah and multiple divorces and now they're like you know what I'm married to God why cuz he'll never leave he'll never forsake you he's like I'll be a friend to you he says I'll be a friend that sticks closer to than a brother and for me when I found that kind of stuff out and it really became real to me as when all that lower-level stuff fell away and God became my best friend you know and it was a positive figure in my life verses like these deceptive lower level things that I was dealing with when I found the beauty and the divine of the all which is God as a father as a friend as a you know whatever you knew him to be type deal do you understand what I'm saying it's I want I want you to be I want to be a good friend not because you're feeling lonely do you see what I'm saying I should not be taking the place of means I want you to live life as a human being yeah that's definitely no you're absolutely right there's some of those people where God is my friend and I don't need any friends you know that okay so yeah okay so your your with you know what your this is so if you had a friend and Christ I mean it's like they don't hae that some some people believe that and therefore some people like that's the case now that I have friends again I don't need God yeah no it shouldn't be the reason God you know divine whatever does it need you to come to them out of fear of either or a reward or punishment whatever the case might be kiss me as you really believe in it suits your heart but it shouldn't take the place of interactions with other human beings because we are alive to engage in life and run the risks of being disappointed heart may be mistakes you know we're gonna do that all the way to the moment we die you know if you want to be anesthetic and you know go to the mountain and they're gonna rock that's different but we are making engage in life that's making choices I'm being tested and saying and I really last time I did that big workout that is what we are supposed to be doing not running away from living life and a lot of people sometimes they substitute like you said uh Christ might be my friend that's great wants you to have real friends now that you need to pick and choose your friends absolutely yeah you know but not to turn away from not living life you're right there's a lot of people to do that there's a time maybe there's a time maybe it's like to like get healing from those areas when everyone's betrayed you and you all you're only attracting people who want to use you right this needs to be a time where you step away and you don't kind of examine it I think that a lot of a lot of us have that time where we kind of go through that refining process or whatever and we have to re-examine it but it is to to get back in it it's to step away and I'm with you though everything you're saying about the human experience and knowing how you know how we are divine but we're still human at the same time and we're meant to go through betrayal and her because it's like how do you respond how do you come back and it's like the whole world whether it's literal people or the spirit realm they're wanting to see how you're gonna respond to rejection oh wow they conquered rejection wow they responded with love you know and that's the it's a it's a it's beautiful and I don't think we should be escaping all the time right there should be there definitely should be down time and places that we go where we feel safe you know what I'm saying but but we have to get back in the game for sure find yourself in a situation and you stop yourself and you go wait a minute no no no hold on and you learn a lesson in but but some people their friend being faced with that scenario again okay it's like did you learn the lesson did you realize that maybe the prior actions what it led to so you pull back and yeah absolutely especially like what you described and there's people that are trying to get away from your friends or hanging out with or places they've been to and they what I call the fallow times that's when you yeah you need to pick up your stuff you know pick up your toys go home and like you said cut off and just be with yourself no no there's nothing wrong with that as long as you don't stay there though so good it's like I feel safe I took you've got to stay here and not talk to anybody not interact with people and cocoon myself and isolate myself that take you there though it's like it's like the whole all men are dogs type deal just a min that you've been hanging out get back in the game all men are dogs there's someone out there for you you know somebody's gonna treat you right you know yeah we anyone you sometimes you do need that downtime because we all as human beings we seek what we call a pattern of repetition we want to fix that especially with those relationships so I like Carentan stuff we want to fix it and then we try to put in stand-ins that are gonna behave like that person originally did and that's when you get people say I don't know why a relationship it's because you are repeating yourself and sometimes we need time to figure that out about our psyche and as a matter of fact that's a let's say romantic relationship it's like you know what for the next six months the person that attracts you is not the person for you it's a person that doesn't attract you that probably would be the best person for you so sometimes you do need that Valentine to figure that out and what I call self preservation some preservation is not only your physical beings like you know you don't want anything to happen to you there's such a thing as emotional and spiritual soft reservations and it's very important and there's people I hate to say it sometimes have a death wish you know when it comes to either their physical life or their emotional life where they they do things because really what they're hungry for is to escape life you know talking about that a lot you know it's scary we can see it in other people but we do it too like so there has to be some healthy form of it but I definitely know those people who are always trying to ascend or leave their body or spiritual practice is their escapism but I think there are there's healthy things but but we got to be human we have to be we have to feel it know what no what rejection feels like know what being stabbed in the back feels like know what pulling that knife out of your back feels feels like know what scar tissue feels like right know what love feels like so there's a healthy balance there and I think we shouldn't embrace embrace both you know the light and the dark and and in this human experience because it's both but I definitely see groups of people where you know it's really an emphasis on escaping you they don't call it that they call it something else but you know what I think I think addiction falls into that but there's healthy addictions and addictions that are killing you right but anything that kind of helps you not deal with reality right stop soothing okay people that sell soon with drugs I know because heroin cocaine right we associate and whatever at some point you use it and all of a sudden I mean we could get into you know with reward centers in your brain and we're talking something chemical but you know there's such a thing as process addictions your people gambling stuff like that and basically you train in your brain centers like you get a shot of endorphin every time you do that but basically what it boils down to you know those are just symptoms but causes it soothes you and soothing how can I tell you let's say you've had a really rough day you know especially for women how they say I'll just go shopping you know when the going gets tough the tough go shopping that's okay you go for two three four hours who's shopping and you distract yourself from a big problem or something that rough day yes okay that's fine you distract yourself or you don't see movies the problem is when that's all you do overtime and in things that are really destructive okay and like I said earlier anxiety you're gonna feel anxiety and you're going to go you know like you're fit you know the roller-coaster art goes up a mountain you know that it goes up and you're like I can't take this I hate it mm-hmm none of peak but then it's gonna come down it's not gonna kill you but some people are very scared of that anxiety as it melts up depending also on your emotional makeup yeah not and believe it or not once you go that you desensitize yourself to the point where when you get anxious and your hearts beating and you feel real uncomfortable you already start you know I know this is gonna pounce in other words you handle it once you go through that experience enough times and you don't need that self just you know that distraction but yeah distraction in and of itself is good it kind of lets your head cool off a bit your notions even sleeping on it you know that thing about sleep on it yeah yeah the same thing you sleep on it distract yourself you just shift you don't telescope on something maybe a problem that's this big you see it this big because you're like oh my god yeah everything's yeah the trawls whatever sometimes you need to pull back and distract yourself with something else let it go and then when you look at again it's a problem but not as bad as I thought or you know what I thought of a solution or you know you pull back your perspective changes distraction is good as long as you don't spend all your time being distracted and then life just goes by you well you would be distracted Mira what do people think with let's say a lot of stuff that we got the internet or on the TVs or on the video games yeah you know you're not living life yeah yeah do you watch Netflix at all yeah did you see I don't f with cats no I have I haven't seen it okay watch it watch it it's good really ya know if you could talk about it but it's about it's about as a guy named Luca manyara I don't know if you've heard that name but he watch okay just watch it yeah I wanted I don't know if we could talk about it or not so yeah we're talking about Thomas you know the mind in the brain and how everything works and so definitely psychology but it plays a huge role in narcissism and things like that which is what that's about so definitely check that out right and you know what believe it or not everybody thinks of narcissism this list of narcissism is a deep self-hatred if you think of it the other way around you know you think of the narcissus is the person that's always like it's all about me and I love me and me me me me the best clothes the best thing and you know everybody that's around them like using them you know in other words if you're not doing something for me get out of here we are not the roots of the narcissus is a deep deep self-hatred to the point that they need constant admiration or adulation it's the opposite in other words from what it looks like you know there's a lot of narcissus that you'll see they're like they look great you know wearing the best clothing surrounded by the best people you know I had to say a lot of people in the entertainment industry are narcissists and then when their life derails and you're like what happened to that person because really not the core they rated themselves they eat it themselves a lot a lot even though on the exterior and looked like something totally different my friend a cult priests to see she wants to know if you're talking about Russell Brand lol what she's from Russell Brand but also she a call priestess wants to know your new zodiac what's your astrological sound Libra with an ascendant in Sagittarius and a moon in cancer awesome so I really look like a Sagittarius but all Libra my son is a Libra and believe it or not my astrological chart I really I don't have that much sleeper in me so I for those people you know if you're interested ology you know most people know that you know you're much more than what your Sun Sign is as far as looks and emotional makeup and things like that and believe it or not I use astrology more from an economics basis then for personal use you know my personal uses for my economic as far as trends and the worldwide economy and banking that's really what my interest is in astrology but of course I had my chart done so yeah so call priestesses thank you true side I adored this lady I want to get you on my friend I'll call precess I need to get you back on here especially all the notoriety you just got with Jesse on Jesse's blog that would be awesome well I really enjoyed it you got your podcast your website I've got five books out three are not are nonfiction I just put out two two starting in December these are supernatural fantasies they're they're out there it's what's called the water between the worlds with one of the civil chronicles I put out a novella all the Diabolique which is a civil Nobel and I'm working right now as a matter of fact on my third one I'm like you know which I'm trying to get out for the end of March which is in that simple universe which is a lot of esoteric mysticism the supernatural as a matter of fact the the the title and I'm working as a path to purgatory I mean a lot of the metaphysical spiritual aspects all combined and the other pinions between good and evil how sometimes they overlap and the reason why I say that is what we think of as good and evil sometimes is grazed in between where you know that's alien grace they are they what are they are they biomechanical that we need to go down that road for my lab my lab there was a there was something that I touched on in the book just briefly just because it's an interesting theory when it comes to the greys is that because a lot of people think that all aliens are demons but there's this theory that those were suits that the alien grades were these suits that were made and in that suits that were created for demons to inhabit in control and give life to so these demons that have these kind of meat suits that they've somebody or something has created for them whether it's the government or aliens or whatever the case you know you see some drawings of some gray some of them are scary then you see the other grades which are really creating with the big eyes oh that's so sweet it all depends because of course you know that we do have as human beings like we go for the baby look the big eyes a small mouth huh that for us makes us feel good we don't feel threatened by it in a way I'm trying to buy it I know if I saw a great be like why wake up in the middle of the night mewling what is that in the corner of the room and it moves a little bit [Â __Â ] do something to do with the you know just a humanoid figure that that I just kind of you know without any features without any hair I know I think it's Joe Rogan and some other people talk about what like what if they're Tom travelers what if they're us from the future with we don't we don't need muscle anymore because we're not moving boxes we're not like we have technology and machines do all of our work we don't need you know maybe if we're living in space there's the different density and I hadn't heard of that we're you know having to see those aliens where everything is cerebral we've got the big heads and of course the rest of the body is really minute not muscular and I'd be like I hate think that we're gonna end up with my parents you know because your mind is it's all in your brain it's all in your head well it's either that or the opposite which is from Wally you know the cartoon Wally move out it came out which are these really obese people who were just moving yeah and technology and eating slam and junk food all the time and not moving you know so it's one of the other it's the you know and what we'll talk about that feeding thing among people that eat guilt about when you're eating when you're eating he'll like you know how people eat they're not supposed to and they're ingesting guilt and a lot of it has to do how it translates into what your body actually does with the food when you were you know I'm sure you feel thickness now people talk about when they put certain things which are feeling when you're cooking is what people that eat the food feel like in other words a passed on here yeah yeah thing same concept as in when you're eating stuff good stuff yeah we getting a we getting the the chat riled up with his alien thought they were talking about Aleister Crowley and lamb and our L AM lamb which is interesting I mean that that whole thing I mean because that's what he drew right I mean but it's just a humanoid this is just a humanoid being is you know absolutely he was in touch with something now what it was you know you have to go by what works intentions and his intentions of course where he was trying to grab on to something that was you know obviously not divine okay but and I've seen that that long that how much of it and you know what without being there which none of us were how much of this was really did happen versus what he wrote was like HP Lovecraft to like when I was doing all the Satanism stuff and and Wicca and olives I was just trying to make pacts with entities the most scariest one it scared the hell out of me was the Necronomicon and that was one that he admittedly just kind of made up and made all these entities up but we were just talking about tapas though creating him creating them and you know I talked about Lucifer the fact that like in far from a biblical reference Lucifer is not a not the devil or it's a title it means Light Bearer but I got friends who were like yeah but we've given him that title and and now we've created Lucifer and we any responds and answers to that name and you know so these ideas that embody the essence of an individual that we created you know when it comes to HP Lovecraft something that didn't exist but I was scared to death to do those rituals I wouldn't do them there was all these other vibes which were basically hated human beings and when he you know of course and then you know he had those town are calm and the Necronomicon and the aza red which is the arabian magician who had was the source of the Necronomicon all those things like you know basically the end was the end of human beings the enslavement of human beings or you know you know that there was part of his story of you know that's you know Vermont setting where you had people that were basically amphibians you know family was a piteous a lot you have to give it to him back that he he was really thinking outside of the box although he was way out who else did that the whole the founder of the the church so it is it the uh which one God come on the alien Church the Scientology oh yeah l ron Hubbard did it it made of religion and you know he was but I heard that he was also doing doom on at the very beginning this was what he was establishing and even he was working with somebody that went on later to do develop rocket science and then of course and he was also doing work with dark practices this was at the very beginning and I think at some point especially if you study humans you realize I got a sugarcoat this people are not gonna go for this you know I'm you know voting demons I gotta make it like I'm saving their souls stuff you know he had a whole bunch of books like he was just like a inet it was that big one that first one that really took off yeah yeah and the 58 if you if you read let's say if you read the blurb about dyeing eggs that's a really interesting idea which is a power of your mind it's great the concept obviously there's something to it to get all these people following it like you know but boils down to this ball control because some of its based on the work of Freud it says in Eastern philosophy which that's a thumbs up for me you know one thing is when you learn to control yourself another thing is when I want to control you and basically that's what ends up with a lot of the police and Scientology is that you surrender control on yourself and I have a problem personally speaking surrendering control myself to another human being the divine is different you other another you maybe I'm Apollo hierarchies okay hit maybe you call it distrust but when somebody wants that total surrender especially especially in a spiritual level of your spiritual beliefs I think that there's a lot of danger in fact one thing is to participate in a group and another thing is when you're asked to surrender all your control you know even when you might even against yourself against your own self-preservation and from what I understand Scientology eventually that's where the leads even though at the beginning a lot of these things that sounds great you know some of the principles of it when you start getting into it they sound like no man learning yourself and you know your mind is the source of a lot of your problems and controlling your thoughts and all that it's like yeah that that sounds possible but then it goes downhill from there as far as I'm concerned certain other police stuff has to come out of a creative mind or an overactive imagination right I mean Joseph Joseph Smith you know and address a hundred you know because a lot of people say especially nowadays that a lot is it just people are spiritual honey I think we're always being spiritual hungry okay and and I think that they are really smart enough to figure out there's a slew of people running out there that want somebody to say come here it's going to be okay I'm gonna tell you what to do and by the way since I'm telling you what you do I'm taking away responsibility are you making a mistake because believe it or not that's what it boils up to people being afraid of being responsible for their actions and if you hand it over to a reader guess what you've just released you shall be off the hook you're being told what to do where to go what to do comment I'm not responsible you know responsibility it takes a lot of courage someone in the chat says that some of Crowley's work says the Crowley has it not can't confirm or deny this but it says some of Crowley's work goes into sexual interactions with children and killing them to create energy now that's black magic I don't know I've never I've never read that I know you've heard a lot of and everything sex magic something a lot of the most powerful magic in society in South Florida I know I seen it it's a sack bloodletting I mean it's almost like it's almost like an expose of the damn government in like some of the higher realms of Masonic orders and things right I mean starting to hear about now with Epstein and all this kind of stuff well that's a lot of you know a lot of people think of you know ceremonies where you have bloodletting especially human penis by the way I'm sorry we're important that important we're in everybody thinks of the tradition on altar some dark place and everybody's wearing a hood but what if the actual bloodletting is a larger sphere yeah it's a tank driving through a small village in in my yes exactly it seems like it's taken down a building in New York to building listen to offer to gods to get power I'm sure you think well it was a disaster was a tragedy but what if I'm a metaphysical level we're not talking here our physical on a metaphysical level it was done for a certain reason yeah okay and that's what they're saying sometimes you have to look beyond well I believe that a hundred percent and then they want to ask me who am i voting for after I was like writ read all these books and done the knowledge that who you vote inform like man you'll get on my facebook you know what I wish and I know I'm being very because that's the same with Wars you know when you look at the history of human beings that was you know we never get it you know what I'm saying we don't I don't know if it's something in our nature or if it was a question of service on a time where you either defended yourself or you attacked and you know after and enter yours but I mean I can take it where sometimes people do stuff on a personal level but that wholesale slaughter of human beings that to me is on a spiritual level I think one of the most offensive things that can happen okay because a lot of times that people that are killed are our innocence and what I mean innocence I don't mean that you're not even a soldier per se you know that will you go in there that you know you're engaged in battle you just happen to be as along please it's a long time the agony the suffering what goes on with that and that's one of the things that I wish that would happen at some point and I don't know if it's in our nature we can ever slightly basically disengage that from our nature where we were that doesn't happen I don't have to that that's I think that's the that's the test of humanity so I eat you know how we talk about the journey in the tests that we're taking individually and it's about love and responding with peace and overcoming and things like that humanity is taking that same test as a collective and I think that the more that we do it individually it changes the the collective eventually now what's going to happen how many years it takes a lot longer for the masses of people to wake up but I do see like that all of us have to choose love and and we're looked at and we're judged upon like nations and things like that by the the collective of the people with what song is what fragrance is rising up from that people whatever you know what are their beliefs what God do they worship what what are they doing and so I really do believe that there's us as a people will maybe have our place amongst the stars once we reach this level of Ascension and choosing love and it's bound to happen or we're gonna destroy ourselves one or the other when you have one source water one way or the other is your it's a metaphysical reason something happens not another which is not for conquest it's not for this or that material stuff is nonsense I think what we're doing that are you know these nations are going warm we're backing and what if that's it looks like that but really what it is it's not a metaphysical level they miss spilling blood yeah 100% I believe it you know very very very dark magic or well you start you start looking into some of these people who are leaders and you find out that they're all related and they're all in these weird secret orders you got a temple built the deaf scene had a temple that he flew leaders out to trompin all the leaders that you know people is demonic man people think that they're just like us they might they might not even be human as far as what we're yeah you know bacon different taking me totally did we yeah that's like but then you think okay these are people that have so much money so much well so much everything that you know and let's say if it came to sexual gratification you could have any girlfriend whatever she yeah why are you needing to go to this island in the middle of the Atlantic of the Caribbean unless the setting is important you're not you understand what I'm saying so yeah I think that people are getting a little bit of an idea of flavor what was really going on and I hate to say that but if you think I've seen it was the only one that was procuring no no I think I think it goes back to uh it goes back to the Garden of Eden in the Bible it was where you believe that was literal or an analogy is that people God says hey eat from this tree don't touch that tree not that one you can't have that one and which tree do we want the one that we can't have and so these people who have reached these high places of authority and power and money and they can have anything that they want what's the one thing that you can't have and that's the one thing that they want children I hate I think you have to be co-opted even from a very young this is what kills you in other words that I don't not going to give the person the out of being so well as they're so jaded like we were saying hey what else is love there has to be because something feeds your soul when you go to the point of either of using a child sexually molestation bloodletting cetera there's something that we create your soul essence was corrupted very early on in life and then so effective probably helped you get as wealthy as you did by the way you should probably ran people over like on the way up know that I think exactly you have to clutch people out that's capitalism like you've already you've already you're already in bed you can't get up there unless you've went up the ladder of a sudden of course this is the persona you present to the world you're very successful or whatever but that corruption was with you long before you got up there as matter fact that's yeah by seeing it now I I have gatekeepers there's gatekeepers I gonna make sure you wit them hold on he's not with us no you can't yet to be welcomed into the gentlemen's clubs you got to come to our parties I don't want to be mean but there's people in in the chat talking about how you know Trump never went to Epstein's Island Trump party down with Epstein that was his homey like that way they got tons of pictures together with at parties and you know how many writers singers perform your celebrity artists if you went out on the page of the people that were powers you your stuff never got teams no you wouldn't promoted if you went out on the right page with them you know what I'm saying or they once you made it you would've looked around so what in the world is this you know and people I think a lot of creators were never got a chance or a break especially now you know what things that you can do your own thing but you know what's a lot of time where they keep it maybe we didn't let's bring you in just say use your stuff never got seen whatever it was I think that a lot of people the creator's never will recognize their work we don't recognize because they just wouldn't have been up for what was happening they they got denied it's like now your slips not good but why because it's not really the problem with what you were creating is who you were that would have been on Weinstein have you seen them how you see them hopping into port I haven't seen anything recent well they've shown me going you know those lily walkers you know old people use you know when they can't walk he's using one of these walkers to go at the port and you look at him you all my god it's like this guy was you know a preying on you know beautiful starlets you know peaceful you know people not to try to make a Hollywood image you know nuns pretend like he's this old guy I'm hobbling about it yeah he coached and worked with actors these people are actors and there's some of the best riders on the planet they write movie scripts and and and things that pull us in and there's something that they've done that we've talked about or you know with these shows like The Walking Dead Breaking Bad is they take these people they take these villains and they let them do all these vile despicable things they've killed women and children they've right people they've done all these despicable things but then they have this arc in their storyline where they have a come-to-jesus moment and now we're rooting for the person that we wanted to die negan from the walking dead I loved his character but people but there's a lot of people who were like they still can't get over that he killed their favorite characters in the show and come all the vile stuff that he did but the writers have a way of making us root for the bad guy you know cuz we see that we see their humanity and stuff in the same people who write these stories and stuff in deep Hollywood and like they they're writing what we see on TV with all the politics and elections and hey I need you to come in here and look pheeba I need you to take this cane this cane needs to be this color by the way you know and all of this kind of stuff it's a place psychological stuff that we don't even know we're watching it like it with it's reality TV and there's no such thing reality TV is scripted so you think this is not real but this that's real redemption is a great story what people if you want to call the villain that someone where rather they get it and they they redeemed themselves a Redemption it almost sounds like we said when the the villain ends up being the hero without being redemption it's like okay that happened you know because he gets the best out of everything he survives how you want to call it yeah I've seen that in storylines in Hollywood I love it we all love it it's something on the inside of most of us that love it but there's those other people they know don't believe him he's not reformed and a lot of times they still come back to bite you on the ass yes they come back we always rooting for him and then his true colors still came out at the end he killed your favorite character or whatever it is you know it's like and all those other people have told you he was evil I told you that's the kiss please he has told you he was still wicked you know too much so we're we kind of think that that's reality and like you know realities which you're living yeah it's like watching an actor get up there and receive an award and give you this speech like they're playing a character in a persona that is accepting a reward Joe Rogan he's in Hollywood I listened to his stuff sometimes but he he's like I can't he's the actors are creepy man because you cuz they they just know how to boom hey this is who I am today this is a role that I'm in and he's like and like as far as the narcissism behind it and we're watching these people on TV and they're not like us man and and I mentioned Joe Rogan let me and I throw this out there a couple times Joe Rogan's uh he's a bro he's a UFC commentary he's one of us but every now and then when you listen they say stuff that's like oh wow they tell you how they really feel about the working-class about the people on the low-level tiers of the pyramid and they'll make little jokes and they'll say stuff about the guys changing oil at Jiffy Lube and they'll make weird jokes as I hold on it's sapping out even though you're a bro and you're you do you're you're like a billionaire bro like you're you know but you're one of us but it's not the case and every now and then they let that stuff slip and I catch it and I'm like that's man I can't believe you said that you know and it came out maybe not everybody catches it but I caught it man he's one of the common people I mean you know what maybe even Trump kind of he's you know Trump is not them he's one of us you know there's that narrative of people where you know you identify even if it's not where they're at now but their background you know what it came from yes he's self-made he didn't you know and right right nobody gave him a platform he created it you know sometimes people yeah and I've heard that and you know it's very let's face it I'm gonna go with the actors what you do for a living you're an entertainer you pretend to be other people you know sometimes weak and I hate to say it but sometimes people with celebrities they think they walk on water it's like just an it that's just an entertainer you know sometimes they don't at all in your universe you know the normal things to all of us think of it like when you say I gotta go change the oil in my car hey I got to do this I got people do that Porter what do you think yes they for better for worse which by the way we should be thinking about is how I live my life my life my reality okay and not try to imitate them there's so much because let's face it it's not gonna work but we always look at it as like oh how many times have you seen these celebrities that look like they've got it made your beautiful beautiful house a lot of money the car celebrity and all of a sudden they commit suicide or their life just oh man it just implodes and you're like what or you find out these harmless things what I thought this person has perfect life because that was with Hollywood or their handlers where he's when she was allowed to see yeah yeah yeah yeah so believe it or not I'm gonna say being average is usually the key you know you have the best chance to be happy but here's who I want to be happy for consensus like which is right to food I do you think that's what fills the human soul being average is your best shot and by this I don't mean not to strive absolutely I think you should strive and one thing I'm talking about when we're talking about Huffer upper upper echelon let's say a pyramid like I said the food chain in society it might look like man I'd be thrilled if I was there probably not you know probably not yeah you pick up on stuff every now and then and they let it out and they like they forget it's almost like they forget that people are watching and I talked about like um what says uh what does her niece and rubella you know in the penis facial that she she gets and uh Alan my gosh okay I talk about this all the time but it's just an example she was on Ellen and Ellen was trying to outer maybe they talk about this public humiliation that is about something that the elites have to go through as well but um so she was on Ellen and Ellen was like hey tell us how you look so young cuz she's like fit to some years old and she looks like she's 23 and they're like oh well I just take good care of myself she's like yeah I know there's a product you use what is it and she was laughing like well it's a facial cream what kind well it's uh you know what's it made out of and she was like trying to out her because she knew what it was and she's like well it's skin it's made out of a skin Sandra Bullock uses the fort blended up for skins from Korean babies that is made into a paste that that helps her skin to look young vibrant and beautiful and they were just like laughing about it I was a hold on this is a normal man this is a normal and laughing about it and this is kind of people were talking about you know that has a flavor of baptism in a way I hate to say it you know whether you want to look at as a life force that you might think well maybe we're just looking at the components I'm like what's in it organically chemically but if we look at from a metaphysical there's a flavor of vampirism you know might be has to collect those things or I get it in a tube if we go into that you know the actual blood you know suckers you can tell it's just finished watching the strength the series i benched on that for anybody that ever saw that you know but anyway the come on you mean you're so wealthy that you probably get any facial cream out there Oh God come on like just technically I'm sorry I want the one that works and it just so happens to be the one that matches those blood injections under the skin just okay I'm all good with trying to look young and pretty and whatever you're an entertainer but where do you draw the line with just you're getting old hello it happens Shelly and the chat says Angelina Jolie uses placenta on her face but yeah there's this snippets all over the internet on just at just type of Sandra Bullock facial cream I mean like they a lot of them have have covered it like it was a thing but it's accepted its laughed about and like we were saying how much of this is like what you said that Ellen was trying to out her or maybe they're not it like okay this would be great for the show yeah they thought it was funny yeah it was like funny I want you to play really reticent like you know we talked about it and then I'm gonna keep asking you that scripted that that's scripted you can't you don't just go in there and just hey we're gonna wing it no you got publicists who are in the corner like a lot of time even on Joe Rogan they'll look at the publicists in here nope we're not we're not talking about it we're like a real conversation you should better make up do you wanna address us or not in the same way like all that stuff scripted I get I get emails from publicist all the time and and I got papers here you have to ask him these questions I'm not asking those questions I'll try to weave some of them in if they're good and and and what happens a lot of times as I'll ask them naturally anyway because they you know with their book and the things that they're promoting but it's like this you have to like send these people questions and we think it's organic and it's like not this is all scripted it's like come on that's what I want to talk to you about you telling me not to mention this conversation Oh Sandra you look so young yeah I use penis cream you know it worse is up well oh you know this cream really but what is it you know so he was like what what is it what is it you know what it's all entertainment entertainment not real life and and I hate to say because of the celebrity status you pointed out it's like except of course she's a celebrity so she uses pre-made Oh baby's foreskin that's really gross it's like yeah I think there's a price to pay for all of that stuff too whether it's the divine coming to collect at the end you know God or whatever you know entities that you've made pacts with that hey we gave you power we gave you Fame now it's time to pay up so there's this thing of like wanting to live forever with the elite because they don't want to pay the piper like everybody's got a given account so I believe that they believe that they know that you know that that's that's one of the differences where people again people trying to live forever and carbon no I've heard of I don't never watch the joke because that's exactly the theme that your consciousness is basically down to a sliver and you you're inserted and if you have money you get a new body like a new skin suit because your consciousness like a little disc basically as long as that body that you using has no head trauma or to the neck basically and if you're wealthy and you know basically you you hear immortal because you just get transferred on into the next pockets are very interesting I mean it's sci-fi no concept behind it is along the lines of what you're describing when you're looking at some of these celebrities that they talk about being Tom travelers as far as like in every century there's like an identical pictures of a famous person that was yes coming from wealthy families that we have their pictures and they look like they've it's the same person there's a bunch of them there's like they every every Reese what's the other guy played in the knowing the big one he's kind of like a knockoff actor now because he plays in so much stuff somebody help me out in the chat here you guys know what I'm talking about he's the main one to go to whenever you're thinking about the time-traveller actors another chat will help me out maybe let me just type it in the knowing movie cast what is his name Nicolas Cage oh okay Nicolas Cage Wow yeah that's the that's the convincing one for me is the Nicolas Cage one there's all these old pictures of him there's a bunch of them with the celebrities it's interesting and it's an interesting theory whether it's real or not I will tell you that I mean a lot of a lot of these celebrities we have they look like some of these Emperor's and maybe they're even just from the same bloodline maybe it's not they're not eternal maybe they are from the same bloodline like hey we got in you know there's a book called the 13 bloodlines that talk about the Illuminati and the ones who rules who run the world or rule the world whatever you want to say but there was a little girl who did that uh that science project and showed you how all the presidents and all the a-list celebrities were like distant relatives a separation like that yeah yeah well I don't know how when you talk about those pacts you've heard of a 27 club right all those celebrities that have died whether 27 oh and there's a bunch of oh and it's almost along the same lines that they made a pact of Fame yeah so I mean that makes sense with all the all the time now man in other words the 27 is like you you use chain of fame and the celebrity and because you afford to die when you're 27 you never grow old that's way too young but yeah I think it's a thing now in most of these are big people are weird Jimi Hendrix Kurt Cobain Janis Joplin Jim Morrison Amy Winehouse I'm pretty sure the list just keeps going on and on yes that guy that job was on um Oh God that he was in the last Star Trek movies uh was his name that he played check off you know the remakes of the new Star Trek movies the name escapes me okay yeah I know any time out yeah yeah I can't really remember his name he got burned over by his own Jeep yeah really weird some some of them are suicide some of them are here guests and part of the thought behind that is that you don't real old since you died when you're 27 you're always remembered as in beautiful-looking whatever that's definitely true though with like whether it's a conspiracy or not as far as like they're making a pact with the government or the devil or whoever oh it's more like a metaphysical pact kind of like a deal like you get that fame and fortune and some of them by the way are trying out like you know once you make the deals then you want to really put it in the music how old was Tupac how old was Tupac when he died 25 but I mean I mean that's the thing though is dying at the height of your career that's what you remembered as I mean we wouldn't be having this conversation about the you know the legends if you will because we didn't get to see them you know fall we didn't get to see the stars fall we've seen them die at the height of their after their fame whether we're talking about two pots Tupac is a legend we didn't get to see him get caught up in fads and and some of these are realms of hip-hop music that came and only was stayed for three years and now it's laughable that it was a thing like I feel like what if he would have got up got into some ad or did some of these songs with these people and a good thing for me is is the group Bone Thugs and harmony which they've continued putting out music over the years and there's a lot of music that at this point it's not good anymore but they're continuing to put it out because they were legends are living legends and they don't get the respect that they their peers got but all their peers are dead we're talking about to pop Biggie Smalls eazy-e they're going to be remembered maybe my no they're kind of bitter that their name is a mention in my song you didn't get we didn't get to see you far like we got to see Michael Jackson follow though right he was trying to like come back but we got to see him we got to see Bill Cosby fall you know yes still alive but we got to see him fall it's not good our Kelly we seen him fall we're seeing all these stars fall you know what they want is he is he especially if they grow older Zaid sometime a legacy a body of work okay and some of them are smarter they kind of pull back and they fade like a if that's it I don't want to be out there the public eye anymore because I'm not that person I was and I'm work behind what Marilyn Monroe everybody thinks Marilyn Monroe she died when she was 36 all the you see any image of Marilyn Monroe's when she was beautiful if she wouldn't have died and he would have seen her age do you think she would be as famous as she was as she is now know any of them I mean Bob Marley Kurt Cobain these people that are mentioned on this 27 club like there's so many of them because we didn't get to see him fall yes no now that immortalized at the top of their success Tupac again man you know there's a certain seduction about that that's not good some people think oh yeah you know what I'll be famous and he's like you know what that was the creepy thing Kobe said Kobe Bryant with you know I'm not I don't I know we're talking about some theories and stuff but I'm not real big on conspiracy I'm not I'm not big on people spouting facts these are theories they try to look at these conspiracy theories as their facts and this these are just theories so I'm cool with that but um Kobe he was telling people he wanted to die young you want it he didn't wanna you know he wanted to be remembered at the height of his his game and what he brought to the table he and he was conscious of this he told Tracy McGrady that and I had tried some McGrady spoke about it in an interview so I mean like that and it sounds very hard say like Oh in theory is romanticize for lack of a better word we got young well-known famous until you get then you realize I want to live thought it was a great idea to died young and famous I'd rather you know that guy hurt Douglas just passed away I like a widow it was 104 you know what yeah he was old and he feeds a background at the end of the day I'd rather live my life yeah peach have my body work you know popular stuff but you know what the spotlight then notoriety the fame it's not even about the money that becomes people become addicted to see having some type of recognition yeah being forgotten I mean that's the biggest being forgotten you know nobody knowing who you are I mean I was talking with a friend the other day about you know heaven in hell you know and there's there's a sect of Christianity that kind of like the Jehovah's Witnesses and some of those guys seventh-day adventists that believe in annihilation that when you die you cease to exist in Esther the fear of death is you don't do not even conscious that you're aware that you're here or gone and or that you ever exist it and so for me I'm like burning in hell may be a better option because you you still exist you know what I'm saying and it's not that total oblivion or annihilation you know let's say for somebody that this is how they make a lot of people think of these people and said well they became wealthy because of whatever they did whether they were an actor entertainers but there's a lot of it that there's a lot of these people that they keep going that you go man how much money do you need it's not about the money anymore it's because they need some type of adulation recognition that they still matter okay and they refuse to and and some of them that's why it's sometimes they look at they romanticize these people that were famous that died really young or some piece of tragically and unhappily oh that you know and it's like oh yeah I'd rather live to be an old age thanks you know even if you know my star shines and then it got eclipses which by the way is usually what happens with celebrities it's like I'll deal with it you know but as for some people like those 27 club basically what they're saying is that they may have packed they may some type of deal whether your starts gonna shine bright and then it's gonna go out yeah yeah and it's like you know I've been I'm really big into the Bible you know that but into the UM send a metaphysical aspects of it the the allegory what does it represent and jesus's life representing humanity or even representing our life and you know in Revelation talking about these different things that we go through and then the stars falling right again the stars falling and how its likened to you know our stars and our idols that fall from the heavens and are cast out and and cease to exist you know you could definitely see the parallels there with the Stars being cast at the fallen angels even you know being cast out of the heavens of Hollywood or notoriety and fame you know what really comes down to is what fuels your being from the beginning and getting back to what we were saying with this thing with what's your face with the penis is that we also have in our society of fear becoming hold which is the it happens to all living things by the way yes you know oh I mean don't get me wrong I don't think like you know if you can aging gracefully well you know what the and then there's a line of thought that says people sometimes act their age because society dictates hey when you're that age this is how you look and this how you behave you know I get that don't become old before your time either but at the same time there's people that become fanatics eyes that they don't want the clock to go forward for them at all you know it's like what it's not like any of us want to I mean that's the biggest scary thing but it's like what are you gonna do when you find out you know like when you start going and we see these these pious people or even in the Christian realm getting so much plastic surgery done today they're starting to look weird they look weird and it's like hold on you guys are supposed to be a symbol of virtue and and beauty and aging and being graceful women but you guys are getting all this work and you're in the your pastors wives and ministers and leader we new Hollywood does that but when you guys are competing with Hollywood it's like hold on is the same y'all [Â __Â ] up from the same cloth oh my goodness it's so crazy where did you get such puffy lips like that yeah and I hate to say that cuz I mean I got friends who are doing it and their religious leaders and they're getting a lot of work done but for me it's like you know we want to hold on to some type of like humanity or you know the state of just natural the natural order of life and and things in you know all of us like [Â __Â ] my own aside might my hair's grain here on the side should I dye it part of me wants to dye it the other half is like now let it go ahead and come out do his thing you know raise out of my beard and put on the facade a lot of people think I'm a lot younger than I am you know and so it's like hey do I be young and hip you know and be a rapper and you know all of these things that these these personas that you have to have rules that come with them oh you can't do that and that you know you know some cream I understand that I get that you know that's fine yeah problem comes when you're want to escape the reality that you're a human being that's gonna age no matter how much and then that's when you start when people do these certain area looking like fan you know you stopping you're not human you know you got stuff on your face like you pull that thing anymore tighter you know and you know like but then you know now I could see Hollywood man but it's the weird thing when it happens in in the church because you cuz it they're on a different level for me but but really it's like there's a reason that these people are like mega pastors and they have deals and all the book deals and it's not free you know what I'm saying so they're there with all of these different movements and these religious leaders are world leaders were talking about Hitler and Trump and all these guys they've always had the church behind them they've always had their spokesman in the religious right Trump has choppers like it's been interesting as a Christian watching Trump get the religious right around him and they're trying to teach him Christianity there he doesn't know how to hold the Bible which way to hold it they're teaching him how to pray they're laying hands on him he's looking at him funny like what did you get your hand off of me dog I don't let anybody touch it like this they're teaching him Christianity and it's been interesting to see and uh you know but but the the church has always been there with these leaders and you know and it doesn't mean their righteousness because you know this thing supposedly stands just because they have a Bible put it that way you want to reach the masses that is the way you reach the masses I hate to say it especially now with television and you know it's the before you have radio and newspapers and you know of course that's why but now the way the media works if you want to reach the masses and when I talk to masses we're talking worldwide we're not even talking yeah locally that's how you do it this is how you you know first you have to be it's called it's called media training to like as media training you know you have to be taught there's a lot of these new people who become viral and they get an agent they put them through media training again telling them what to speak on don't say this don't you ever say that do this this is how Christians act you know in the Trump case and uh it's just been interesting I can see it man you saying where was the jump off point where this stopped being something spiritual and it became a money-making entertainment thing that's the problem idea what we've run into where yeah where the thing it becomes it's it's transformed into something else and unfortunately when when the people are looking for some of these leaders for spiritual guidance you know hope they're it's like this is not the person you you think is really gonna give you what you should be believing in yeah you know what and he will tie this in with going back to what I said at the beginning when the CEO the head high from the company came down and everybody was scared everybody he had a persona you know and as a whole this guy and then I I was able to meet him he was a regular man but there's a spot on this this reputation that preceded him and we're responding to something that's not real it wasn't real it was it was made up it was marketed it was be on your best behavior he's coming in here he catch you doing something bad to fire you and I met he's a regular guy and there's no reason for me to fear or you know have this weird reverence or respect for this guy it's mine but yeah we kind of get put into this in fear this you know this person like he's everybody's like a man dot your i's and cross your T's and things like that cuz you put up with stuff from those people that you wouldn't put up from not with from normal people it's not to you know and I've seen stuff that things that that overlooked because these people had positions of power in the structure the food chain of winning organization I tell you something almost like what do having one see where people knew what was going on but they turned a blind eye why because hey I'm not gonna cross I don't want that person I don't know if it's discernment or what but I remember in the 80s and 90s like there was a overwhelming number of plots in movies and daytime drama where the I mean that was the plot that the model was trying to break out into Hollywood trying to be an actress and they sent her in a room with the old man the old he's that you know the whole the guy who was a CEO the executive the writer you need to see him and then she comes out she wipes her mouth and I said you got the role you got the part there was so many movies that came out and people like where the word that this come from this was nothing new this was something everybody knew about the casting couch you know which was wanted that part does that come from right casting couch there you go yeah that's that but that's from the very origins of one Hollywood even I think before the talkies when you know there was silent film that that's really where you became famous because before then it was only radio and then you know the silent films yeah that was like it was part and parcel of you are gonna be a actress out there you were gonna have to go to the casting how to mark the Caesars you know and all these other nations and in the Kings what was they do before before they would allow the young girls to marry a peasant or a warrior what did they have to do you had to come sleep with the King first you lost your virginity to the king then you were sent that out there into the world what you this stuff is ancient man to stuff is not new which is he was infused them let's say if he was the Lord over that you know anybody you said the PIAT peasant speaks them depending on what age and it was known that you were going to marry he the field your wedding night he would go to them and of course I don't always put the doubt if she ever became pregnant whose child it was remember that movie Braveheart right with Mel Gibson yep no big going they marry in secret mm-hmm he he did it because you know if he became know they were gonna marry that guy was gonna be man for her to go and spend you know give her virginity up to the Lord and then of course again if she got pregnant you know there would always be that fear well whose child is it really so yeah that goes back hundreds of years salt steel and there's nothing new Under the Sun literally this stuff just repeats itself and their signs and symbols that are begging you to look a little bit closer and a little bit deeper but we think it's new we think this is all brand new just for us you know everything you know and I know like my bad humanity is doing I personally don't think that if you look back at history I think the value of human life has risen we make a lot of mistakes and there's still a lot of things we have to fix but overall I think we have become a lot lot better than we used to be we've made a roofless I think so too I think the collective the consciousness of the people is shifting and so that's why it's that's why polarizing the leaders that's why this stuff isn't this stuff that uh is we're not we we know we're not gonna let it fly we're not gonna let the the facial cream fly no more the boycott boycott that facial cream you're saying but it's just a symbol right because people are people are a rising tide rises all the ships right and so I think that enough people are waking up and choosing light to choosing love meditating you know seeking out spiritual practice doing the inner work finding healing and just us as a people it's contagious other people begin to do it and so yeah there's definitely hope for Humanity and it's hope for us as individuals as well you know to be a light in the midst of this darkness I truly believe spite sometimes we're fed a lot of stuff the halter our consciousness I and I know that sometimes we become molded to do bad things overall I do believe in the goodness of humans I do and I think that over all that and that that's gonna with the doesn't look like it yeah you know I don't I don't really go this route a lot and talk about the elites and the conspiracies and stuff but I'm definitely well studied on it and it changes the atmosphere a little bit at ending or so like this you know we're gonna talk about all of this evil agenda and these demons and and you know they and our leaders are involved with ancient spirits and uh you know Sally how do you end it on a good note obviously we're talking about how to end it with like there's hope for Humanity right there spiritual practice there's just so much that uh that's happening that's good but uh how do you end it on a good note there's this there's been some episodes that at the end they were going good we got to the end I'm like oh man I'm I had to apologize to the audience because we got so you know I think very powerful and I think at the end of the day it's a choice you make and sometimes people think well what do i matter you know if I'm good if I'm a good person or try to do the right thing what does that matter just that one person I love billions yeah and I beg to differ I think that if you make that individual choice we are all very powerful in even within visuals making the right choice then like you said overall the outcome will be positive it's just that it's not gonna it's a it's a daily thing you know sometimes we need time to pass you look backwards and say if my by me doing the right thing whether it's on a physical level or on a consciousness level people I think the outcome will be positive that's why don't you keep a lot of animals around you oh yeah cuz their benevolent because they love you those are my ends that are wagging busy they start going into egg-laying right now and hens when they gonna start laying eggs yeah they might make a lot of weird sounds and pretty soon they'll be looking at me too I would go like we want more food they're always hungry my little dog is so animated he does all that crap like I put a I put a video of him on Instagram the other day he makes these little noises and kind of communicate and talk and learning and stuff and it's just so interesting how we communicate with with them in they're just you know part of the family you know yeah I know I think about me being the food source but I know my animals they're like yeah they they they're in sync with me you said food in the dog he's waking up on the cows he's so cute I'm working my last book I dedicated to the ten of them because they're my writing forgetting so they'll sleep under my feet and then I'll be something to them and they'll look at me like that's great that's beautiful love you guys yeah it's funny like my little dog a lot of times he'll come lay under my feet and um I have a grounding pad grounding mat and he was laying on it right up under my feet and it's like hanging out and here when I'm doing it but if the mail lady comes and he'll just start barking it really makes for who's just really loud in this sensitive mic so but yeah our animals are awesome but hey go ahead and plug your website people could check out you know that talks about shows my books and my eyes I'm an I'm an author Oh Marlene Miami goes chronicles combos are the two best websites that you can find whether it's my work who I am you know the books I'm writing you know and like I said I have links there to either the videos on YouTube or the podcasts on the different platforms that are out there you can get a link if any you know you've got a certain platform that you listen to that you use for your podcast I've got links for the show from either of those websites awesome good stuff in in the episode that we did should be available soon right yes yes yes and I will send you an email with it as soon as it comes out good stuff well thanks so much my friend I really enjoyed it I'll have to do it again join the conversation my friend Marlene Pardo ladies and gentlemen yes her and her animals we're here hanging out with this really good man we talked about a lot of stuff I know I tried to end it wrap it up right over an hour I tried to wrap it up about an hour and 15 minutes and then we win another hour and 15 minutes on top of that mentioned the alien greys and going talking about the time travelers in the government and the conspiracies and Trump and all that stuff so again you know we've been talking about Trump a lot lately it's election season and you know I don't want people to think I'm anti Trump so maybe you know next time we start talking about in justices in the government and in using some using these people as frames of references maybe I should use Biden you know maybe say his name a couple times just so people don't think that I'm that I'm a respecter of persons you know like I have a dog in the fight because I don't pray in for Trump praying for bite and hope they repent you know just joking thanks for about hanging out in the chat man we've kept a lot of people for a long time here this is what we've been here to over two and a half hours now almost shoutout to everybody in the chat hanging out I've seen your questions I've seen your comments and I tried to work some of them in there too and some really good conversation shout out to all you guys shout out to the couple people who are watching on D life to that's a platform that were streaming onto don't get a lot of traffic over that way but that's a couple people I think love who was it love love vibe shared it out and said we got a couple people so shout out there everybody watching listening no matter what platform you listening on shout out to all of you guys you're awesome you know one of the I was a part of the Hebrew Israelites for a particular time several years and one of the what really stuck me is that they talked about the Illuminati like when I was studying the Illuminati and New World Order and all these secret societies like they openly talked about this stuff on the street corners like they would set up and kind of have Church on the street and it would talk about George Bush being in secret societies and all of this stuff and they'd have diagrams and pretty much all the stuff you see on You Tube videos now on the exposed videos they did it on a street corner and they literally had this huge professional-looking diagrams and a twin in a plane flying into the Twin Towers and George Bush and I mean they just had scriptures that kind of correlate it with that stuff and I really liked the fact that they were calling this wickedness out in the streets they were crying out for the in justices of the people and letting people know what was going on and so that really drew me into that movement and what they were about at the time this was like in 2008 or so and but I remember one thing that one of the leaders used to say because we it was really big on in justices and calling out stuff that the government was doing calling out stuff that you know 9/11 and all of this kind of stuff which was big at the time but one thing that thing that they said it's like it was like a reward is like man when you get to heaven you're gonna be known as someone who stood up against Babylon the Great that you stood up against in justices and you prophesied against this wicked nation that was doing wickedness and stuff like that like all of this stuff that's going on that we're gonna be rewarded for calling it out but for me you know the whole conspiracy thing gets to where like it exists and it in and there's no end to it you guys know I just put out a snippet talking about how his conspiracy theories can mess you up and because there's no end to it like what if there was an end to it and you've reached the end of the conspiracy there's gonna be more and then there's gonna be more and then when you prove it you know and what are we live in everything is true for them that belief all of its real right and and going out of your way to to put you know you lose sleep over this stuff man it's scary it really is but once you learned that look man these people there's some wicked people out there I know it's hard when you find out that your leaders or wicked or your pastors you know sleeping around people that you've looked up to and you've put on this this pedestal and when that thing comes crashing down man it's very hard but there's no end to the in Justices that these people do again they lie to each other they lie to God what makes you think that they won't lie to you and I don't believe anything that that I see through the television right and I don't think we should but just to know have a frame of reference for evil man have a frame of reference for darkness you dare darkness yeah but your own darkness men have a frame of reference to know that it's real that it exists it's not all loving like that's why we choose love and light it's because darkness exists it's because the day is wicked that's why we make a conscious decision to try to uplift to try to inspire to try to breed creativity you know what I'm saying - pull greatness out of people and prophesy love and light to people like that's why we do it because the day is dark and we know that these things exist so we have to counter counteract that stuff we have to counterbalance and a good thing I believe is that it is catching on that people are waking up that people are choosing love whether you're in religion or you're in Islam or a Hindu or lack of or a witch it doesn't matter like people know that we need we need a change in a change is it religion most of you have been around to a lot of different religion you tried Buddhism you try this try Christianity and none of it worked but love works at the end of the day and love knows all those modalities and it doesn't matter love is not a respecter of persons right again the homeless person doesn't care you know if you're filming them when you give them a $10 an ayah you gave it to them right it helped and just having that frame of reference and not being overwhelmed in like that's all you're you're into and that's all you're looking for and it's all you talk about you know this stuff sells for sure I could you know we could you know do all kind of shows about this and I would catch on a lot quicker might get pulled from YouTube but it would definitely it would definitely get a lot more eyes to it and and some people are waking up and everybody's at different levels again I was 2008 when I was looking this stuff up man and really big into it so you know there were several years that were really weird years of just research and documentaries and videos and zooming in on handshakes and all that knowing these people are not who they say they are but once you know that man this up to you to to bring the light in to bring to be the light of the world you know and do your own inner healing and get that stuff healed too you know that your mind and how powerful the mind is and you start believing in seeing things that you create because it was sold to you and you don't even know it psyche through psychology through Freud through people who were scripting this stuff and they know what to say they know what to wear and I think I'm reiterating just a podcast that I did the other day while I talked about conspiracy theories and I actually made a snippet on YouTube if you haven't heard that but go check it out anyway it choose choose love choose light man be the light you're the only Bible that some people will read right you're the only form of God that they will only see so you just got to be that to people and and good overcomes evil at the end of the day and you choose what side you're gonna be on so you know if that's right if that's ramblin is my truth so it's not like I'm scared to talk about it I won't talk about it we talk about this stuff there's some interesting theories but to say that I never said any of that stuff's fact I don't know what isn't it I think that's the biggest slap in the face in with the conspiracy crew is to call a conspiracy something that you're claiming is true but it's not true Alex Jones did it with Sandy Hook and got in a lot of trouble I got pulled on eggs got lawsuits out the wazoo he's finished they got him and it really muddied the waters on the conspiracies that were true they were really going on so they would find some of the far-out stuff that got people in trouble and some of the stuff that everything is in a conspiracy choose you and even if it was choose your battles wisely choose your battles wisely be careful I wouldn't say happy birthday to to people in our community to friends I don't know if it's today for both of them but shout out to Amanda Faris extraterrestrial happy birthday to you and happy birthday to Adam starseed Bay love you guys you guys are awesome and thank you guys for showing up doing what you're doing and trying to counteract the 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