Dr. Rita Louise | The Dysfunctional Dance Of The Empath And Narcissist

Dr. Rita Louise | The Dysfunctional Dance Of The Empath And Narcissist
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my guest today
is dr rita louise my friend welcome to
the podcast how are you
thanks for having me i am so looking
forward to this because you bring just a
really
interesting angle of like science and
spirituality
to the table and so i think i think
we're going to have a great conversation
can't have one without the other that's
right
i think they complement each other and a
lot of people think they fight against
each other they try to disprove and
one is greater than the other but i
think that there's a balance and they
and they really do work to complement
each other
the science of spirituality if you will
exactly you know and i think one
supports
the other one um but i think bottom line
for anything
is just really having an open mind and
just taking in that information
and kind of having to go through your
own personal filters
and coming out with your truth you know
because my truth might not be your truth
or the other listener's truth but
it resonates with me and that's what i
have to own and that's what i have to
say that's what matters and i think if
we're open and honest about that
whatever that is whatever that looks
like then
we're we're helping ourselves right but
we're helping others too
of just being open and honest about
what's working okay this is like you
said my truth
this works for me i've tried that that
that it didn't work again that's my
story it may work for you
but this is my truth and this is what's
working so
you know i've interviewed hundreds of
people over hundreds of people over the
years and
um enough people are just sharing what's
working
and people are applying the stuff to
their lives and they're seeing results
so
i'm a champion for that i love it and
i'm gonna keep doing it
your book you got a bunch that you do
that i want to talk about a lot of
different stuff but definitely want to
dive into the book first thing
the book is uh the the dance between
the uh empath and the narcissist
is that is that that i butchered the
name well it's called the dysfunctional
dance dysfunction
and yeah you got to get that
dysfunctional in there
so yeah i want to talk about the book
and i got your email over and looked at
your work and everything in the
the book and uh i think a good place to
start i want to start there
but maybe kind of give a background
about those two words there for people
who
are listening who have no idea what an
empath or a narcissist is maybe unpack
those a little bit and we'll get into
the book
okay so an empath is someone that is
open to receiving information and energy
from around the world they tend to be
very sensitive
they can feel your feelings you know i
like to joke around
you know they're the people that go into
the mall and can last about 10 minutes
before they're overwhelmed and it's like
gotta go
and want to leave and so you know there
are a lot of people
that are empathic you know you can take
that word
and take it to the next level because i
think that people that are empathic
also have psychic abilities because
clara sentence
is a psychic ability even though i don't
really get into
that part in the book because i didn't
want it to get too
woo and metaphysical on people and um
you know and so they tend to be the
helper people they tend to be the
doctors the nurses
the people that you meet at a store
or you meet somewhere and you find that
people will just unload their troubles
to you you know
and um you know and they tend to be
psychic sponges and so
they can be in a situation and
they feel other people's feelings but
don't necessarily recognize that what
they're feeling
is not theirs so they might be like
i'm all happy you know we're hanging out
and then someone with like bad mojo
energy comes in and
they change and they start feeling bad
and they think well what's going on with
me and they
you know don't recognize or they don't
you know i mean it's just a knowledge
thing they don't realize that
you know bad mojo energy guy that just
came in the room
just put a downer in your space and so
it's not that
you're in a bad mood it's because
you're feeling that person's bad mood
and you are reflecting it in your body
and so that's what empaths do
um you know one of the things that and
we need to kind of talk about the
dysfunctional part
but we'll save that for a little later
you know and people that are narcissists
you know are they are the people that
are
um you know look at me look at me you
know look how great i
am kind of people yeah and that's
because that's an
an expert i can't even think of that
word now extrovert
narcissist you know the ones that always
want to be the center of attention and i
think
most people can recognize those
individuals kanye west
huh kanye west yeah
but there's also a different type
there's what's called a covert
narcissist
and they tend to be the people that
you know walk around and they're on
their pity potty all the time and
you know they the bottom line
narcissists it's like they don't want to
take responsibility for anything they do
they want to point the finger and blame
everybody for all of their problems
and ultimately and i'm sure on your show
you've had you've talked about they're
the ultimate energy vampires
you know and so they're the people that
just kind of like suck themselves to you
like if you have good energy
they just kind of attach themselves to
you and
um try to get your favors
you know one of the things about like
people that are true narcissist because
narcissism is actually a psychological
diagnosis you know so you could be a
narcissist you could be a psychopath
you know you could have borderline
personality so those are psychological
diagnoses
and but you can also have a lot of
people that
aren't clinically narcissists still have
a lot of those traits within themselves
and so um you know they're just really
out for themselves
you know and they don't they see the
world through their eyes and through
their lenses
of well what about me
have you um i just watched this the
other day and it was the first thing
that came to my mind
um it was a netflix special um
called um mucho mucho amor
which is the uh the life of
a fashion icon in astrologer walter
mikado
have you seen that yet i have not
when you're talking about somebody who
was um enamored with his own
reflection this guy uh was definitely
it and it it goes through just like his
elaborate you know clothing
and jewelry and wanting to adorn himself
to be
the best stressed and and even so like
like not wanting the
as he began to age he was in in tv and
so as he began to age he was just kind
of
uh always getting plastic surgery done
and stuff like that but um
you could see like that that's that
spirit of narcissism if you will where
they're just so enamored with their own
uh reflection you know and that's the
story of of uh
you know what is it the uh the greek god
or or greek
uh story of um was it an echo
and narcissist was narcissist yeah where
he was
pretty much enamored with his own uh
beauty and there's a lot of people
you know walking in that that was an
interesting um documentary if you get a
chance to watch it out but
i'm gonna have to check that out um what
i think
you know because i think there are some
people that have i'll say self-esteem
issues and will project
a i'm better than you and i'm
great but they're
not necessarily narcissists
okay not a very big percent but there
are people that are that way
you know where it really kind of crosses
the line is
it's all about them and so if you sit
there and say well your hair is a little
messed up it's like
you know they they'll have a meltdown
and be really just upset
about what's going on you know or if you
don't adore them
and think that they are wonderful
then they'll eliminate you from their
lives because all they
want is people that are going to feed
them energy
and not anybody who is going to require
any energy
so if you're not feeding them if you're
not letting them know how good they are
how great they are
or you aren't servicing them in some way
you know for example you know if you're
in a relationship with them
you know taking care of all the
household responsibilities
taking care of their kids you know you
know just
giving your energy to them if you're not
doing that
they will just get rid of you
and x you out of their lives
yeah that and that's the two differences
like what you're saying there that you
know
with the uh extreme you know
extroverted you know this documentary
where this guy's got all the jewelries
and looking makeup and all that stuff
but the other
hand it works in different ways it's not
just your reflection it is
it i guess it is your reflection but
it's the inward reflection versus the
outward reflection as well
it can serve both purposes and and i
know those people who
who you know just for an example go to a
job site and they don't know how to do
the the job but they act like they do
and and they're gonna do it better than
you and they don't they have no idea
what they're doing but they would never
admit to it because it would seem like
they didn't know how to do something or
you had a
you know you you you had a one-up on
them
in that area so that's uh i mean that's
one of their big
that's one of their big characteristics
is they'll one-up
they'll on anything you say it's like
you know
like that that tv series you know name
that tune well i can name that tune with
three notes you know they're always
bigger and better and
if you so let's say you and i are having
a conversation
um you know and let's say i'm the
narcissist you know
and you start talking about some third
party like you just interviewed somebody
you know it was a great interview and
blah blah blah
and i would be like you know then i
would just start talking bad about them
you know about the person you
interviewed because i have to
be better and i have to more important
than them and i think you know when
people start hearing this they're like
i knew somebody like that or i've known
a lot of people like that
you know and one of the real big points
about the book
is that many times people that are
empathic
end up finding themselves in
relationships with narcissists
and so you know if people listening if
you find that you're an empath you might
be hearing what i'm talking about
the narcissist and go oh man that's like
half my friends
yeah you it's so strange because i'm in
the religious community right i have a
lot of
people in the lit and that's there
there's so much
tearing down but it's always coupled
with
don't listen to them listen to us don't
listen to them they did this they did
that they believed it did you know they
believed this
and it's always tearing them down so it
makes me
hello look better follow me i've got
something better for you
i don't charge i do this our teachings
are haven't been
tempered with and you know in the the
different religious communities even in
the
mystical realms too a lot of that goes
on and i can see it it sticks out to me
like a sore thumb
as an empath i can tell you know uh-huh
well i mean
i you know back in the day when there
were a lot of trade shows whole life
expo new life expo i mean i was
a regular on those circuits and you
could tell the real people
you know the people that were there
vending and doing their stuff you could
tell the real people
from the fake people and it was just
like i'll just
kind of walk around your booth because i
just don't even want to deal with that
energy
well that's it i'm going to stop you
there because what you say
is what i say a lot you said uh you can
tell
that's not the truth we can tell me and
you can tell and other people who are a
little bit more
who can see through it but a lot of
people are enamored with it
they can't tell like they can't tell
that that these people are fake or these
people
just want your money they can't tell but
some of the stronger empaths can because
you can pick up on
hold on something's off with their
energy what they're saying and their
energy doesn't really line so
for for me and the reason i said that is
because i i would project
i would tell that to people yeah you can
tell you can usually feel and
and they can't just because i can or we
can you know
well i think that there are some people
all right so there's
some different things going on you know
so when you talk about relationships
whether they're
you know personal relationships romantic
relationships
or and let's use your example you know
in a
metaphysical like church teacher student
i like that i yeah idea you know
sometimes there's stuff going on inside
of us and
we need something from them we need
their attention we need
their enthusiasm because
we're hurt on the inside and so we're
drawn to them because
we perceive them as being this light
yeah you know
i have a friend who was in a
relationship
with someone who like followed this guru
person it was actually a person that
channeled
and i just kind of like looked at the
energy of the person and i'm like
i'm like it's a freaking cult you know
but some people
just need to have that feeling of
connection and it really doesn't matter
if there's really truth you know because
it's satisfying a
different need inside of them
you know for me i just i'm kind of like
you're not passing my smell
test so yeah gotta go i'm the same way
i just gotta listen to the person talk
and you can hear how they say certain
words and you learn you learn how to
read people
read auras read characters so it's kind
of all of that kind of plays together
but but not everybody can do that and uh
for me it's i think i'm pretty good at
it
um but not everybody can and uh
we you know gotta make sure we let
people know again to you know i'm saying
your truth is your truth if you're
following the channeling cult
whether you have one it revolves around
one person
and uh and and that leader and you can't
question what they say and
if you do you're put out like yeah
you're you're kind of in a cult so
i think giving those keys and stuff for
people to to
kind of do their own research and then
at the end of the day it's it i mean
it's a definitely and i told you so but
some people got to learn on their own
and then afterwards then they'll be able
to read because okay i dealt with a real
life cult reader
a leader i know how they or leader
reader
uh i know how they act i know how they
talk i know how they groom you those
kind of things some people have to learn
for themselves i guess
when i think when we talk about things
like
empaths and narcissists you know
we know the word but we don't really
know it and i like to say on a body
level
you know we don't know what that
experience
feels like because no one's ever said
when this happens
this is what it is so i'll give an
example because one of the things that i
teach is psychic development
and you know so i give these
presentations and i talk about the
different psychic abilities
and so i'll ask the room it's like
well have you ever walked into a room
and felt the vibes in a room
you know and pretty much every hand gets
raised
you know to that comment and it's like
well when that happens you're having a
psychic experience you know and it's
called clairsentience
and i explain you know what's going on
but i think there's a disconnect
between what we know either
intellectually or physiologically
you know and what's going on and so they
might
feel that discomfort in interacting with
that person but there's not the
connection like if
feel that bad mojo you should listen to
it because it's probably bad
you know so that's one of the things i
like to do is just educate people so
that
they can take their experiences and
relate that to what's going on in their
lives
and their interactions yeah
um there's a difference there whenever
you know
um you're being pushed around by those
kind of feelings and stuff and you don't
know how to interpret it you don't know
where it's coming from
you always think it's you and uh i i
write about that
in my book actually cover that and uh
how i kind of came into it but it was
just like what you're talking about
walking into a room and um
you know when you step into the room you
feel a certain kind of way
but if but if you don't kind of like
seek it out okay what's going on here
is it just me am i having an off day a
lot you know is my is my
is my blood pressure off like what what
happened when i stepped in this room
um until you start kind of the seeking
process the journey process okay what's
going on
and uh and moving to that and then you
start to see results
but you gotta move to the the place
where you start
trying to figure out what's going on is
there someone in this room
what happened here maybe like even like
just stepping out like
like stuff even years ago that happened
in this room what was somebody murdered
in this room you know what i'm saying
like
it just changes the way you feel but
it's big and a lot of people
i feel like they fall victim to their
own supernatural psychic abilities
because they don't have a teacher they
don't have nobody to say yeah
when you feel that look for this this
and this it's not you
trust me it's not you you're you're
healed you're loved
you you know you you walk in peace and
perfection and abundance it's not you
what's going on and so until you do that
you're just kind of pushed around
whether it's at walmart or the mall like
you said
and i and i've had the the you know i've
had it happen enough times and been in
company with people who kind of
cultivate and help you facilitate that
to say hey
just see if this this is it and i've
seen like miracles and breakthrough and
people get set free and
people come to tears and because you
feel it in your body it's very
overwhelming there's a lot of people
that's why i do this podcast just for
people who are going through that stuff
and they have no grid for it they don't
know what it is
if they're in the religious community
and go to the pastors and stuff they'll
just kind of shoot them down or tell
them it's the devil
and that's not it you know it's a
god-given ability that we all
possess um let me ask you this
reading your story knowing mine and
interviewing empaths and psychics
galore on this show um where
where is is trauma linked to bringing
out
that empathic side of an individual
their own personal childhood you know so
when i was putting this book together i
mean because
you know my history my story that i
share in the book
is that i was a victim of childhood
abuse
and um what i came to realize
so the book the dysfunctional dance of
the empath the narcissist it's kind of
like
it's not a memoir but it's kind of my
journey to healing so this is my
sixth book i have to sit there and count
it's my sixth book you know so
um i like to inform and educate people
so that's kind of my thing
but as i was doing my research for
me spirit was like well
you need to write this book and so i was
just like taking my learnings and
putting it together and it became this
book
and so it's kind of like people that are
reading it are kind of going through
this journey
with me even though it's not in a memoir
not in a first person
form and so one of the things that i
wasn't sure about
was was there a connection between being
an empath
and childhood trauma and so
there's a group on facebook called an
empath
and so basically people that join that
group
are self-declared empaths or people
wanting to learn about it
and so i posed the question um
in your life you know if you see
yourself as being an empath you know
was your life filled with childhood
trauma you know was that your history
and you know i say 85
of the people that responded um and
that's being generous it was more like
95 of the people that responded
all identified early childhood abuse you
know whether it's physical mental
psychological you know or neglect as
part of their lives
so this is my this was my feeling about
it and it still was my feeling about it
is that if you're in a dysfunctional
family so let's say dad's an alcoholic
and so you're at home and you're playing
with your toys
and you hear the door open and dad's
coming in but it's nine o'clock at night
so you know that is probably
drunk you know and so all of your little
like tendons you know like your little
cat whiskers are like
and you're checking the vibe in the air
and you can feel
his dad in a good mood or his dad in a
bad mood
you know and from those little spidey
senses
you know you learn how to navigate the
world
and so what better exercise in being an
empath and feeling the vibes in the room
and feeling people's feelings and
looking at that kind of stuff then
you know your formative years giving you
that
one-on-one up close and personal
training
sad as that may be yeah but it's it's
true
yeah that's good because um you know
being able to read people
you know and so it's like a lot of times
it's like
like i question myself am i judging just
their appearance or
like i can judge the way they talk the
way they move like there's an
there's a persona that comes with the
drunk dad
there's a you know there's a persona
that comes with the loving dad
right and so it's like learning the
energy signatures behind these
personifications of people no matter you
know who they are whether it's a teacher
you know being led by wrong teachers and
being led by right teachers there's some
things they do
there's some character traits that they
all have in common so i think
you know being able to read those energy
signatures from those different people
you learn
so you may not feel it but you can you
can see it as well there's different
ways to interact with
the uh the different energy that these
people put off right
oh exactly you know i and so a friend of
mine
framed things this way and i always like
to give her credit
you know i don't necessarily say her
name but i like to give her credit
and she would say that everybody has you
know we all have different channels that
we operate on
you know so some people are very visual
you know so i get the impression you're
really visual
some people are very feeling oriented
and so you know they're the first ones
that you know
are crying because somebody fell and you
know
scuffed their knee um you know some
people
just know things some people are more or
more
auditory and it's not that one is better
or worse than the other it's just that
we have these different channels
and figuring out which channel is yours
or your primary one
can really help with your discernment
because
that's the one that you should trust um
you know and you were talking a little
earlier and i would just want to
kind of come back to this because i
think it's really important
you know you were talking about uh
sensing things and feeling things and
knowing things
and it really is a you know i say
body level even though it might be in
your mind's eye
or your perception but it's still in you
and we're not really taught to look
inside
you know about what's going on and one
of the things that i've learned as part
of my journey
is that it's our responsibility to make
ourselves happy
and so if we're not happy we're the only
ones we can blame for it and so
if we're participating in some group or
anything work relationship and we spend
a lot of days not happy
and our internal world is kind of
screwed up
you know and we're thinking about stuff
about like oh well blah blah blah blah
blah or worrying about it
that's that's like the red light that is
the neon sign
that there's something going on and you
need to stop
and analyze you know because
you know and i know this has happened to
you this happened to everybody you're
having a conversation with somebody
and then they say something or do
something
and you walk away but like you're kind
of triggered on the inside and you're
like well what was that all about
you know and that internal dialogue is
just kind of going off
well when that internal dialogue is
going off that
to me is when you need to go stop
what's going on what just happened
what's going on with this person
you know and that's where the evaluation
really needs to start taking place
versus just kind of going well you know
allowing that to happen
and then going back because you've kind
of got over it
yeah makes sense yeah the trick yeah the
triggers are
uh a good thing you know
you know it's the ego it's it's it's an
open wound that someone touched
and it hurts oh why'd you hey it's not
healed
it's an open wound someone sent me this
the other day
um i think this is the second one they
sent me but this is a
christian uh uh pamphlet it's called the
white throne of judgment right
and uh and it's just i guess someone
after you die going
to face god on judgment day um and so
people send me these in the mail and
stuff i think it's interesting just that
thought of doing judgment as a good
thing upon yourself
of like just doing that not in a bad way
but
uh doing self-evaluation to uh
you know if we're going after healing if
we're going after
victory in every area of our life to see
if there's any
thing that is off like like are we
triggered by
this or that or do we not like these
types of people
i mean that's where racism comes in
that's where all types of stuff comes in
like all christians are this all muslims
are that
like there's reasons you feel that way
and so just doing that inward reflection
the judgment of your own self to see if
there's anything that's
out of line or out of whack and uh and
to really know
is when you get you get triggered it
comes to the forefront for sure
but you know sometimes we get triggered
because there's something wounded in us
you know or
and i'm gonna go to your racism thing
because we're kind of all in the middle
of the black lives matter thing
um you know people that are true racist
basically have been programmed their
whole life that you know
people that are not white are bad people
i mean you know and it's something that
they've
lived with it's you know kind of like
the earth is round versus the earth is
flat it's just
a belief and the only way to break that
is to have experiences that are good
experiences
and then reevaluating that belief and go
well really that's not
true for me or not you know what i mean
but sometimes we get triggered because
the person we're interacting with this
is my main point
the person we're interacting with has
crossed our boundaries
you know we might go into a situation
and the person might be just a little
too
affectionate or get a little too
close you know but it's something that
we look up to and respect and so we're
like
you know and then we might leave and
have
that stuff going on our inner world
might be upset because we really don't
know what to do with it
you know so it's not necessarily that
always
that our wounds are being touched and
we're being triggered that way but they
might cross our boundaries
and they might violate what we see as
being
right and correct for our truth and both
of those things can create
that disturbance in the force and need
to be kind of looked at
at the you know it's like well no he was
just kind of creepy
yeah definitely got you definitely got
to step into discernment with it again
just
you know exactly just pretty much
bringing putting everything on the table
um
because you know again if you're right
or you know if you have a right to feel
a certain type of way if you have a
right to feel offended i feel like
i feel like we all do for certain things
but that offense can set in
and then but it gets bigger you know you
got to deal with it early because you
never wanted to really set in
even if somebody wronged you like that's
your enemy and you're going to work to
like
you know defame their name or whatever
the case is there's so many different
routes and stuff that you can take
because you're triggered
or you can just work through it or
whatever so there is so much
so much that we can we can go through
there and i guess it's different for
every
every situation you know just to say
like you again that is
it's uh something that i'm triggered by
or i'm offended or you didn't
agree with me or whatever because i
still deal with that but i i know it's a
thing
and it's a good thing that i know
because a lot of people don't know it's
a thing right they don't know that
you know my heart is is starting to
speed up and my blood's starting to boil
because i'm offended or this person
has you know did a wrote an article on
me or something that
hasn't even talked to me or
screenshotted conversations and put them
all over the internet whatever it is you
feel
triggered but then again it's because
it's coming against your ego and stuff
like that so
we i guess we have to uh evaluate and
discern every situation though
very much so um you know
one of the things that i talk about a
lot in the book the dysfunctional dance
of the empath and narcissist
is the fact that people that are empaths
okay so i talked about we were going to
talk about the dysfunction part
a little bit you know so if you grew up
in a toxic household
and you ended up all right so empaths
and narcissists
traditionally grew up in toxic
households
okay so they share that in common and
it's just really how they reacted
to the trauma they created a false face
and became a narcissist or
they became you know an empath but
many times people that are that grow up
in that situation
end up becoming what's called a people
pleaser i mean from a very scientific
term it's called subjugation which i
hate that word because
um but it really is kind of true
and so growing up they don't learn how
to say no
yeah they don't learn how to say wow you
just violated my boundary
you know and so and so what happens
especially in that dynamic with the
narcissists
is that the narcissist might say or do
some not really good things and the
person that's the empath
with the dysfunction of being a people
pleaser because they have no boundaries
just accept it and they're like well
it'll change or you know i love them and
they make excuses instead of going wait
a minute you like totally violated my
boundary
and saying gotta go
yeah i definitely struggle with a little
bit of that from time to time
i think there's a way just to identify i
don't know that it'll
that it will all like all go away but
just i think the
healthy part is just identifying it like
oh there's it i'm not gonna do it you
know whether it's people pleasing or
whether it's
burning bridges oh i found myself about
to burn a bridge i'm not gonna do it i
need i might need that bridge later
so but if i send you this message if i
lash out on you this bridge is through
it's destroyed those kind of things so
even just to be able to
identify these different uh character
flaws i would call them in our lives
um not that they'll always go away but i
feel like we get to choose
like if we're going to go down that path
or we're going to do this and that's
part of our
our free will and uh and just use it you
know for our
good and uh and not use those character
flaws to destroy the things that we've
been building the life that we've
created for ourselves or whatever
but see i don't even like character flaw
you know because it's just
a kind of funky part of you you know
what i mean but it is part of you
yeah you know so it's just like okay
i'm not totally digging that you know
but i think with anything
it's all about the process you know
because
if you think about it if you went back
and i don't know how old you are so
let's just say
15 years you know it's like i think the
person you probably were
was not as good with boundaries was not
as good with
seeing things with illumination you know
and so
it's the process you know and as i say
life is a journey and i think
people that are open to looking at
themselves and looking at
the parts that they don't think are that
great
um are the ones that are going to
actually have the journey
and get to watch themselves grow and
evolve and change
you know as their life goes versus
becoming a couch potato and doing
nothing and not really having a life
and being somebody that just follows
along because they're not
motivated or interested in something
deeper
than what's being presented to them
yeah yeah um is this
do you um file all this under
part of the um medical intuitive
category is that kind of what this is
because i i don't know if i've really
heard
that term a lot the medical intuitive
what's different than
that than just being a uh intuitive
empath or something like that is it the
same thing and the wording is different
or is there
something specific with that so um
in my opinion there's really not a lot
of difference
um it just sounds a lot better it sounds
a lot more professional so
i mean i um you know so this is part of
my story so i went to the berkeley
psychic institute and studied with them
and you know i just wanted to be rita
the psychic chick
and i would talk to you about your
relationships and you know
whatever you know and i just want to
like have fun
but one of the things that i found
personally was that when i was working
with people i was always finding their
health problems
you know in addition to their funky
relationships but i'd find
health issues and what people wanted to
know
was well what could they do about it you
know so i had decided to go back to
school and got a degree as a naturopath
and then got a phd in natural health
counseling
you know so i could help people with
that and so around the same time
carolyn mace came out with the term
medical intuitive and it just stuck and
so
to me a medical intuitive is a person
who is psychic who talks to you about
your health
concerns you know from a very
traditional perspective it's really is
diagnostic
okay so you go to the hospital they do a
cat scan
you know and they identify what's going
on
and so then you go back to your doctor
to go get whatever
treatment they're going to recommend for
what they find in the cat scan so the
medical intuitive
in its most pure form is like the cat
scan
where you know which is why i went back
to school because
it's kind of not really helpful
in my opinion if you can't provide
people with some
information and advice
so would you say it would be something
similar to like uh
edgar casey what he would do so edgar
casey was a trans medium
so are you familiar with what that is
you know and so basically he would go
into a trance and
that somebody would ask him questions
and
he would provide answers i mean that's
not you know
in in the big concept it's similar but
technique wise
what i do and what edgar casey did were
two very
different things i mean i'm primarily a
clairvoyant and i'm also
very kinesthetic very empathic and so
you know if someone's like you know well
you know my stomach's bother me and so
in my mind's eye i will look at their
stomach and you know they might have an
ulcer
or it might just be red and irritated
you know they might not
be digesting food correctly which is why
i'm really glad i got that
that naturopath degree because now i can
sit there and
like the doctor brain it's always funny
because there's the doctor brain
and there's the intuitive brain and the
doctor brain is like
well how's their um you know how's their
digestive enzymes
you know the doctor brain is always
asking these questions it's like it's
like until the intuitive brain is like
going
no they're okay it's like oh but you
know
they're eating like really fatty foods
and you know so
it for me it works really good because
there's this analytical piece
and this very intuitive piece that you
won't believe some of the weird stuff
that comes up in these sessions yes i
will
i will 100 i probably i feel like i feel
like i can beat you with stories
just because uh maybe i don't know well
one day we'll have to sit down and
compare
i'm looking for like yeah like people
like hey amanda are you getting these
messages too like i am you know from
people um
but yeah i mean um yeah i think the
reason i asked you about the edgar cayce
thing was i know he
definitely got the medical diagnosis for
people like he would go into trance to
get him but he usually was
it usually wasn't about demons or
spirits
or the future whatever something about
what what was ailing them in their
in their physical bodies you know you
get a lot of that
but it's all real really about
the question that you ask you know so if
you're not
asking you know is there a spirit
that's creating some of this you know or
an alley and creating some of this
you're not really gonna get that been
there done that
yeah yeah it's uh
yeah i've had like all kinds of weird
weird stuff i mean the only thing that i
really
won't get into with my clients is
addressing if it's a past life issue
you know i mean because i'll look and go
okay so
all right so to me when someone's
manifesting something on the physical
level it means that there is some kind
of discordant
belief or emotion that's trapped in
their body like a little corn
that has festered enough to
break through into the physical body and
so
you know so i'll talk about well you got
this ulcer thing going on and here's
some supplements for it
but you know the ulcer came from
somewhere and so i always get into the
whole emotional piece and what the
belief
is that they're hanging on to and you
know but sometimes i'll sit there and
i'll go
because i'll timeline and go okay and so
the nugget
of this whole thing came in and it's
like
you're about 35 years old it's like oh
yeah that's when i got divorced
you know there's always they always got
it you know but sometimes i'll timeline
it back
and i'm not finding anything and so
those are the only people
that i'll say you know i think this is a
past life issue and i leave it
there because i'm i mean technically i
was trained as a hypnotherapist but
i don't do it um you know but send them
to someone that does past life
regression so that they can go
back to address it because
i don't want to contaminate it you know
i don't want to say oh well you had this
lifetime doing this
and then they get stuck on it's like but
i would say in
the years that i've been doing this work
and i've been doing it a long time i
would say that
i probably had five or six people that
it was a past life thing
but it's not even past life things
anymore now it's entities
you know you know i lost my job it was
an entity
i sprained my ankle it was an entity and
it's just like
the entity was you what you didn't show
self-control not to cut
cut your boss out when he got onto you
and you cussed him out or you
tore something up you know that was the
thing with me too because i did a lot of
psychic
readings and stuff well i didn't do
psychic readings i i
i actually answered the phones for a
psychic show that an old friend of mine
had and and they would uh ask me to pray
they'd get
have me on there to pray for for the
people and say a blessing over them and
she would give them psychic readings
and uh and they would ask me about their
future and stuff and it's usually like
you know what do you want like do you
see this happening i'm like do you want
it to happen like there's ways to
manifest it
there's ways to position yourself to to
receive
that in your life if it's a spouse if
it's more money whatever it it
fits peace whatever like you can
position yourself now there's things
that you have to do
me you know forecasting it in the future
if i see it
it doesn't mean anything the goal is to
get you to see it
my goal is to get to get you to see it
to know that you can
manifest it and bring it into your now
reality it is in the future all those
timelines exist
you pick today which one that you want
to manifest and so
that was a big thing there versus like
whether it's the psychic thing or the
past
life things for a lot of people it's
like they uh
that you know they really have no say in
it they aren't the cree
they aren't the creators of their own
reality they're just kind of like pushed
around well you know when i was a kid
this happened or
if that's the case we can deal with it
but when it pushed it back you know
three lifetimes ago i was
you know i and those are some of the
weird messages that i've gotten over the
years where like people reaching out to
me claiming to be
god's reincarnated from egypt that they
claim to be my
my wife reincarnated from another white
lifetime who's come to back to find me
you know and and and uh a lady says
she's my mother
um and if i'm a past life and she's here
to guide me and it's like come on now
like
a lot of that stuff i feel like gives
into like delusions and hysteria so
there's
i really feel like there's there's a
balance with all of that stuff and so
um we gotta you know the fantasy realm
um but
when it has physical implications and
and
real world real world implications where
where it plays a part in your life and
you can change it and you can work
against it even if that stuff is
in your psyche or in your mind to get it
out and to live in the moment and living
in
your truth in this life damn the past
life
it's over you lived it today well you
know and that's what i tell them they're
like
well you know but it might be a past
life thing and i'm like well you know
but i'm seeing this and i'm seeing this
and i'm seeing this and i'm seeing
this i'm like you got enough stuff you
need to fix from this life that you
don't even need
to worry about today
it's like when you get all this cleared
yeah and
you know if it's still not gone
then we can like talk about past lives
but you know
i think some people use the past life
thing or they you
i i mean i do entity release work i
wrote a book about
ghosts and half the book is about
attached entities and um you know i made
videos about
entities and yeah so i get a lot of
emails about
doing entity release work i don't know
why
and um you know and so it used to be
people wanted to blame past lives on all
their problems
you know oh well you know i must've been
a past life and now they just want to
blame a lot
entities and you know entities exist
i've worked with enough people that have
had attached entities but they're
they have a very consistent pattern
and just because your life sucks doesn't
mean that
you know you have an entity attached or
yeah and if you do what i found is like
again
changing your patterns in those entities
leave
they don't just like i'm into prayer
rebuking fasting like all that kind of
stuff and i do believe in that with the
entities and
spirits and stuff but like a lot of
times their attachments aren't in a
rebuke
like they're here because you're doing
this you got to stop doing that and that
entity has no more
house to live in once you dry that up
that whether it's alcoholism
but then getting to the roots of that
which is trauma you know the reason that
you are drinking or the reason that you
are
promiscuous or whatever it is there's a
reason you got to get to
the roots of that stuff and then it cuts
down that whole
family tree or whatever they're hiding
behind those different entities or
addictions or thought patterns or
whatever you want to call them they have
many names
well i mean entities are the narcissists
of the spirit world
you know and i'm serious you know so
they're invisible energy vampires that
like
being parasitic on people but and what
you said
was exactly spot on you know
they they attach to people that have
a deficiency
or a self-worth issue in some aspect of
their being
you know and so if you think that you
know i'm not i'm stupid you know like
you were constantly told i'm stupid so
your internal belief system is i'm
stupid
and now you have an interaction with
someone that makes you feel stupid
well now your energy goes because now
you're triggered
you know i mean all bets are off and
that just makes a breeding ground
for an entity and usually it's one you
know sometimes
an entity can like bring in the band uh
but usually it's one
and you know but once you sit there and
kind of break through or work through
that you know like i screw them i'm not
dumb
you know and your your energy pops back
up your auric field you know becomes
whole again they move out of your space
but if you're
constantly triggered you know they're
gonna bother you
all the time but the only way to get rid
of it is to get rid of the trigger
yeah are you familiar with the the bible
verse that talks about like when jesus
talks about casting out demons how like
they go around to drop
places and they go get seven other
spirits stronger than themselves to come
back
to that person but if they find if they
find a house clean then they can't
they can't come back because again you
like you said the house is the
the mind it's the auric field it's like
okay i was
stupid now i'm i'm smart now i'm
you know i was uh an accident now i have
purpose whatever that lie was that it
entered in through
as long as you if you feel it right with
the positive affirmations and who
you truly are and your destiny and who
you're truly created to be so
yes that the idea that they it it'll
leave
but it gets it goes get seven stronger
to come back
if and if your house isn't swept and
clean
then this says the state of that person
is worse off than before
so that's the big thing about like doing
spiritual work
and casting off spirits entities demons
you got to make sure that the person
really wants to do the inner work
versus like hey let's try it and then
put them in a worse off situation than
they were before
i think that if they really want to walk
in freedom if they really want to be
healed
then they can and there's nothing that
can stop that but
um it's really making sure that they
want it you know and that's i think
that's what i do in like one-on-one
sessions with people and
and and things like that it really shows
that that people um
really want it versus just to pass a
random passer-by
you know well and a lot of times you
know there is this belief
you know and i think this belief is tied
to any kind of energy
work process is
that the person comes for one session
and they're healed
and i'm like you know i can sit there
and whack you on the forehead and go
you're healed but
you know i don't think that's really
going to work and they don't understand
that
you know it's a process you know it's
not like going to the doctor and getting
a magic pill and so
dealing with an entity attachment is the
same
as doing psychotherapy it's the same as
doing energy work you know it's a
process
of unwinding why it's attached to you in
the first place
and getting rid of it you know if you
are
experiencing you know gallbladder
disease because
you are very frustrated because of these
things that are going on in your life
you know identifying where those
frustrations are coming from and getting
rid of them
you know and moving forward in a
different way
is what's going to heal that gallbladder
okay and maybe some really good
cleansing
uh um you know but it's still the same
thing it's about
clearing and healing and making your
internal world be whole i heard
excuse me uh stories this one we
wouldn't see a uh
evangelist two weeks ago i really like
him but he was talking about having
these miracles happen
and he's like having miracles where
people's waistlines were shrinking
you know they're losing weight like
miraculously their
you know pants were getting larger
because they were getting skinnier
in this presence and so like that's cool
but again going back to what you're
saying if you don't stop that
that bad eating habits of of eating fast
food for breakfast lunch and
dinner and getting snacks in between
then you're just going to be right back
in that same situation um so it's about
going to the root of it
and and finding healing there and then
the symptoms will take care of
themselves
like that would literally happen if you
deal with the root it may take a little
time
obviously making healthy decisions every
day just like you were making bad
decisions every day
and so you you'll step into the
manifestation of that uh
healing or whatever you want to call it
but uh but just you have to go to the
root of it
you have to you have to cut it off at
the root and figure out why is it there
if not
it's going to keep coming and it's going
to get worse the more time
you're going to like fall into remission
with spirits and with
addictions and things like that and it's
usually worse off
than before i know people who addicted
to drugs and get
free and and alcohol and everything and
then when they when they fall back into
it
it's a lot harder they forfeit
everything so you gotta
you gotta go go down to the root of it
for sure
one and the same thing physically you
know i've worked with people that
you know they've had cancer they've had
you know you know
the classic one is you know i'll be
talking to them and i'll be talking them
okay so in chinese medicine different
organs reflect
different emotional energies okay and so
and i like using the gallbladder
because a lot of people have freaking
gallbladder issues and so the
gallbladder is all about our ability to
plan
you know and so if we're a planner like
if we're like oh i got a list and
here's my plan and blah blah blah but
then you don't get to execute the plan
it creates frustration and i you know so
my analogy is it's like every little
gall stone
is a plan that's been foiled
you know because what do you do with
that energy it makes a gallstone now
whether that's a reality or not i don't
know but i like that connection
um you know and so i'll talk to people
because you know there's something going
on and i'm like wow you know
you got this gallbladder energy going on
and blah blah blah blah blah
oh i had it removed you know and they
think oh well i had it removed or i take
this medication
is going to fix it and i'm like well you
know
just cause you got it removed doesn't
mean that
it's that energy still not in you you
know and
i'm like and it's just a matter of time
before it moves somewhere else
and manifests in somewhere else i had
one client
and i was who had cancer had cancer
removed
and like she was like well is it going
to come back and i just looked and i
said you know i don't even like saying
this i said but
whatever what